1 00:00:05,940 --> 00:00:06,600 Kaisha: All right. 2 00:00:07,410 --> 00:00:08,850 Thursday, 4:20 PM. 3 00:00:08,855 --> 00:00:09,240 Eastern. 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,890 That means it's time for office hours. 5 00:00:10,890 --> 00:00:14,010 AROYA's weekly session for cultivators to hear from the experts 6 00:00:14,015 --> 00:00:16,560 and talk to each other about what they're seeing with their grows. 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:17,680 My name is Kaisha. 8 00:00:17,705 --> 00:00:21,800 I'm your co coming at you from what Pullman, Washington. 9 00:00:22,590 --> 00:00:23,700 And I'm not the only one. 10 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:24,720 Welcome back from vacation. 11 00:00:25,620 --> 00:00:26,280 Mandy: Oh my gosh. 12 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,070 Hey Kaisha. 13 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,990 Hey everyone. 14 00:00:27,995 --> 00:00:31,290 So it's like to be here in person for episode 38. 15 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:32,200 Can you guys believe it? 16 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,939 So yeah, we're also going live over on YouTube pretty soon. 17 00:00:34,939 --> 00:00:38,107 So I'll be monitoring for those questions as they roll in just 18 00:00:38,112 --> 00:00:41,226 a couple more reminders to check out our Instagram and our TikTok. 19 00:00:41,226 --> 00:00:43,236 Make sure you're following us over there for all new. 20 00:00:43,295 --> 00:00:45,167 Yeah, so we have a bunch of questions that came in. 21 00:00:45,167 --> 00:00:46,817 So I'll just go ahead and pass back to the team 22 00:00:46,817 --> 00:00:47,867 Kaisha: in the podcast room. 23 00:00:47,897 --> 00:00:48,467 Yay. 24 00:00:48,467 --> 00:00:49,037 Thanks Mandy. 25 00:00:49,037 --> 00:00:51,677 As always, if you're live with us here, we have a question type it in the chat 26 00:00:51,677 --> 00:00:55,457 at any time we will, if it gets picked, we'll go ahead and ask it for you. 27 00:00:55,510 --> 00:00:57,853 If you're, we're also feeling questions from you too, live, as Mandy 28 00:00:57,853 --> 00:01:00,722 told you, and don't forget to like, and subscribe while you're there. 29 00:01:00,722 --> 00:01:03,752 If your first time question, ask or drop your email address in the 30 00:01:03,752 --> 00:01:07,682 chat, we'll enter you in a drawing to some limited edition AUR swag. 31 00:01:07,682 --> 00:01:10,052 Like what you see here today, Seth and Jason. 32 00:01:11,132 --> 00:01:11,582 Up guys. 33 00:01:11,582 --> 00:01:12,152 How are you? 34 00:01:12,157 --> 00:01:13,712 Good, good to see you in person. 35 00:01:13,712 --> 00:01:14,612 This is weird. 36 00:01:14,972 --> 00:01:16,982 This is weird, but in a really, really good way. 37 00:01:17,252 --> 00:01:17,762 All right. 38 00:01:17,762 --> 00:01:19,652 Are you ready for our first question from Instagram? 39 00:01:20,102 --> 00:01:20,432 Yeah. 40 00:01:20,582 --> 00:01:21,242 Okay. 41 00:01:21,247 --> 00:01:23,282 It comes from CA Randy. 42 00:01:23,612 --> 00:01:27,242 They wrote in struggling to hit runoff percentage in P one. 43 00:01:27,452 --> 00:01:30,122 And they're looking for the best strategy to increase shot 44 00:01:30,122 --> 00:01:33,392 duration, number of shots or both. 45 00:01:33,932 --> 00:01:35,222 That's what the question is. 46 00:01:35,342 --> 00:01:35,612 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah. 47 00:01:35,612 --> 00:01:36,002 So. 48 00:01:36,767 --> 00:01:39,647 Typically the way I would approach that, you know, if I'm trying to increase how 49 00:01:39,647 --> 00:01:43,354 much I'm applying in P one, I first start with the I mean, obviously too, this 50 00:01:43,354 --> 00:01:46,294 depends on whether you're in generative or vegetative, but I would potentially 51 00:01:46,384 --> 00:01:50,134 not potentially for sure start with increasing my shot volume before jumping 52 00:01:50,134 --> 00:01:51,994 to an increase in number of shots. 53 00:01:52,444 --> 00:01:55,654 But if you hit that point where, you know, in cocoa, we're looking at up 54 00:01:55,654 --> 00:01:59,754 to 10% rockwool, usually up to six, seven at a certain point, that shot 55 00:01:59,754 --> 00:02:03,684 becomes so big that we'll actually push runoff before we hit field capacity. 56 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:08,019 That's why we're breaking it up into, you know, 3, 4, 5 smaller 57 00:02:08,019 --> 00:02:09,339 shots rather than one big one. 58 00:02:10,449 --> 00:02:10,809 Kaisha: Yeah. 59 00:02:11,139 --> 00:02:11,949 Anything to add to that? 60 00:02:11,949 --> 00:02:13,509 Jason, look at that. 61 00:02:13,809 --> 00:02:14,139 Seth. 62 00:02:14,139 --> 00:02:14,799 Got it down. 63 00:02:14,799 --> 00:02:15,189 Sweet. 64 00:02:15,249 --> 00:02:16,839 All right, let's move on to the next one. 65 00:02:16,839 --> 00:02:17,709 Thank you for that question. 66 00:02:17,739 --> 00:02:18,609 CACO Randy. 67 00:02:19,209 --> 00:02:19,629 All right. 68 00:02:20,019 --> 00:02:25,959 Bigsby has is asking also along the lines of P one P one irrigation shot size Coco 69 00:02:25,959 --> 00:02:31,659 versus rockwool, more smaller shots in rockwool versus less larger shots in Coco. 70 00:02:31,929 --> 00:02:32,799 That is all they posted. 71 00:02:32,866 --> 00:02:34,491 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, it kind of follows with the last one, you know, 72 00:02:34,506 --> 00:02:36,840 typically cocoa, it depends on the chop. 73 00:02:36,870 --> 00:02:37,830 Depends on the mix. 74 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,160 Can take a bit larger shot size than rockwool before 75 00:02:41,165 --> 00:02:42,390 creating that early runoff. 76 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:45,626 So, you know, what we're looking at seeing is in generative. 77 00:02:46,291 --> 00:02:49,831 Up to a 5, 6, 7, typically in rockwool, you know, eight to 10 78 00:02:50,101 --> 00:02:52,291 in Coco is about as big as we go. 79 00:02:52,321 --> 00:02:54,601 Like I said, after that, if you go out and actually watch your plants 80 00:02:54,606 --> 00:02:57,571 water, you're gonna see runoff before your volumetric water content 81 00:02:57,571 --> 00:02:59,071 actually hits field capacity. 82 00:02:59,581 --> 00:02:59,821 Jason: Yeah. 83 00:02:59,911 --> 00:03:02,821 A little bit of this is actually, it's gonna be depend on how old the plant is, 84 00:03:02,821 --> 00:03:05,054 how much rip bound is in that subject. 85 00:03:05,059 --> 00:03:08,474 Obviously, when we think about how much material is actually. 86 00:03:09,404 --> 00:03:10,116 The root zone. 87 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:13,359 When we start to get later in flour, there's a lot of rats in there, 88 00:03:13,629 --> 00:03:16,629 especially if we're in appropriate size media, we're taking advantage 89 00:03:16,629 --> 00:03:22,429 of pretty much every, every inch or every cubic volume of that substrate. 90 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:25,009 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, that's a good point. 91 00:03:25,014 --> 00:03:28,819 Jason, compared to you know, ripening compared to early flower generative. 92 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:33,079 When I said 10, we might be looking at more like a four or five, you know, if 93 00:03:33,079 --> 00:03:36,339 we've got a really root bound plant, that's, that's a great thing to bring up. 94 00:03:37,699 --> 00:03:39,949 if you wanna visualize it, it totally makes sense if you pull it outta 95 00:03:39,949 --> 00:03:42,919 that pot and you see there's almost no cocoa left, at the end of that 96 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:44,629 run that's those are always fun. 97 00:03:44,989 --> 00:03:45,349 And, 98 00:03:45,354 --> 00:03:48,559 Jason: you know, I, I think, you know, traditionally we always think about 99 00:03:48,564 --> 00:03:51,679 being bound as a bad thing for the plant. 100 00:03:51,684 --> 00:03:54,252 Like we're choking out the, the roots and sure. 101 00:03:54,252 --> 00:03:58,902 If you're, if you're hitting way, way too, too rebound, you can start to do that. 102 00:03:59,847 --> 00:04:03,087 In this industry where we're running hydroponics, we don't necessarily 103 00:04:03,087 --> 00:04:04,977 need the root zone for volume. 104 00:04:05,007 --> 00:04:09,128 We just want to create somewhere where we can get nutrients something 105 00:04:09,128 --> 00:04:10,748 for infrastructure for those roots. 106 00:04:10,748 --> 00:04:13,944 So most of the time, I'm not too concerned about getting root bound. 107 00:04:13,971 --> 00:04:17,481 But definitely if you're your substrate's too small, you're more likely to 108 00:04:17,481 --> 00:04:20,958 have issues with crop steering as far as being able to stay enough 109 00:04:20,958 --> 00:04:24,137 irrigation in the substrate when you're running generative just with the P. 110 00:04:25,192 --> 00:04:25,432 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah. 111 00:04:25,522 --> 00:04:27,982 And you know, some of that too will come back to like deciding what you 112 00:04:27,982 --> 00:04:29,452 want to do with your substrate size. 113 00:04:29,602 --> 00:04:32,242 You know, are you a person that likes to veg my plants up more and 114 00:04:32,242 --> 00:04:35,422 top 'em back before I go in or am I gonna veg as little as possible? 115 00:04:35,662 --> 00:04:37,642 And then just decide which battle you wanna pick more? 116 00:04:38,032 --> 00:04:41,146 You know, are you gonna be battling root, binding more, or you gonna be battling? 117 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:41,650 Okay. 118 00:04:41,770 --> 00:04:43,330 Now I might have to grow more plants cuz they're a little 119 00:04:43,330 --> 00:04:44,530 smaller and veggie and quicker. 120 00:04:46,910 --> 00:04:48,320 Kaisha: choosing that battle, right? 121 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,270 The life of a cultivator. 122 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:53,510 All right, we're gonna move on to EC. 123 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:55,280 We've gotten a couple questions on that. 124 00:04:55,291 --> 00:04:58,916 French flare wrote in, they had a question about electrical conductivity. 125 00:04:58,946 --> 00:05:02,726 What is the difference between runoff C and substrate EC? 126 00:05:05,381 --> 00:05:05,861 Jason: Sure. 127 00:05:05,861 --> 00:05:08,591 So we'll just start off with the physical difference. 128 00:05:08,591 --> 00:05:12,761 Obviously, runoff EC is when we're got catch cup underneath the substrate 129 00:05:12,881 --> 00:05:15,791 or multiple substrates for trying to, to get an average over a few 130 00:05:15,791 --> 00:05:17,617 plants use them typically just to. 131 00:05:18,622 --> 00:05:23,092 In, in solution TDS probe for electro connectivity of the nutrients 132 00:05:23,092 --> 00:05:26,072 in, in that that runoff, it's a great time to check for pH two. 133 00:05:26,072 --> 00:05:29,357 When we're looking at substrate EC that's usually something that's a 134 00:05:29,362 --> 00:05:30,887 little bit, you know, more complex. 135 00:05:30,887 --> 00:05:34,217 There's a lot less sensors on the market in order to do that, 136 00:05:34,222 --> 00:05:36,977 obvious would see arterials got three prongs that we're going right 137 00:05:36,977 --> 00:05:38,477 into the side of the substrate. 138 00:05:39,752 --> 00:05:44,402 Typically, you know, the, the reference of the two values is gonna depend 139 00:05:44,402 --> 00:05:48,512 on how much runoff you have and how, how long you're catching that. 140 00:05:48,579 --> 00:05:51,771 So, you know, if we look at right off the bat, sometimes we'll see 141 00:05:51,771 --> 00:05:55,053 that that runoff see a little bit higher than the substrate EC is. 142 00:05:55,053 --> 00:05:58,447 It's pushed in some of the the concentrated nutrients out of 143 00:05:58,447 --> 00:05:59,557 the bottom of the, the plant. 144 00:06:00,307 --> 00:06:03,259 And then usually, you know, later through runoff, we'll actually see. 145 00:06:03,321 --> 00:06:06,381 Runoff EC being lower than the substrate EC. 146 00:06:06,681 --> 00:06:08,489 So, Both good values. 147 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:12,022 I like substrate EC because we're looking at time series data chart. 148 00:06:12,022 --> 00:06:16,312 And so we can see the dynamics when we are irrigating, especially if we're doing, 149 00:06:16,642 --> 00:06:21,667 you know, 12, 15 shots a day through some of the vegetative steering techniques. 150 00:06:21,667 --> 00:06:22,417 You get an idea of all. 151 00:06:22,597 --> 00:06:26,377 When we apply this biggest shot, it changes my substrate EC to this amount. 152 00:06:26,377 --> 00:06:29,197 And you know, one thing also to think about in the substrate. 153 00:06:29,682 --> 00:06:33,762 There is variation of water content and EC throughout there. 154 00:06:34,002 --> 00:06:37,905 That's why it's really important to use our Terra 12 installation template 155 00:06:37,905 --> 00:06:42,555 tools, because we've done quite a bit of testing on where at, in the substrate 156 00:06:42,555 --> 00:06:43,845 we can get the best measurement. 157 00:06:45,245 --> 00:06:45,735 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah. 158 00:06:45,915 --> 00:06:48,525 And I think, I think you nailed Jason that time series data is what's 159 00:06:48,525 --> 00:06:50,824 really important there with runoff EC. 160 00:06:50,829 --> 00:06:52,484 All we're getting is that little snippet. 161 00:06:52,874 --> 00:06:55,844 And really, if we wanted to compare that to how we were gonna approach this and. 162 00:06:56,684 --> 00:07:00,474 You know, a soil analytics lab or something, getting that number 163 00:07:00,474 --> 00:07:02,364 using, you know, a diluted nutrient. 164 00:07:02,744 --> 00:07:04,794 Solution's not gonna give us a very accurate result, right? 165 00:07:04,794 --> 00:07:08,544 Like you, or I would probably want to use deionized water, go in and 166 00:07:08,544 --> 00:07:09,804 say, what's actually coming out. 167 00:07:09,864 --> 00:07:11,484 That's a good analytical sample. 168 00:07:11,484 --> 00:07:13,884 Well, that's not practical in production. 169 00:07:14,244 --> 00:07:15,804 So we want to see, okay. 170 00:07:15,809 --> 00:07:21,444 Not just that lowest point of EC at full saturation, but we wanna see that range. 171 00:07:21,924 --> 00:07:23,574 You know, if we're trying to push drive back. 172 00:07:24,114 --> 00:07:27,714 And also push a little higher EC if I can't see that actual range, what 173 00:07:27,714 --> 00:07:31,434 my highest point in EC is, I might think I've got a nutrient deficiency. 174 00:07:31,434 --> 00:07:34,104 I might chase all kinds of other problems that might just be because 175 00:07:34,109 --> 00:07:35,364 I'm over drying a few percent. 176 00:07:35,964 --> 00:07:36,264 Jason: Yep. 177 00:07:36,654 --> 00:07:36,924 Yeah. 178 00:07:37,014 --> 00:07:37,194 You're. 179 00:07:37,584 --> 00:07:38,334 Exactly right. 180 00:07:38,334 --> 00:07:42,144 And kinda one of the practices that we usually recommend for people 181 00:07:42,144 --> 00:07:46,074 that have just gotten their array system is continue to use both since 182 00:07:46,074 --> 00:07:50,103 you're used to doing that runoff data and you know, log it in the system 183 00:07:50,103 --> 00:07:52,023 in Aurora right next to your EC. 184 00:07:52,203 --> 00:07:56,073 So put the time in, when, you know, when you captured that information 185 00:07:56,313 --> 00:07:59,313 and put the value in, and then you can compare that into your substrate, you 186 00:07:59,313 --> 00:08:03,273 see and say, Hey, now that I have a lot more resolution to my data, this is 187 00:08:03,273 --> 00:08:05,253 how it compares to, to how I had been. 188 00:08:05,943 --> 00:08:09,423 You know, and typically by the end of a run or maybe two runs, you can 189 00:08:09,633 --> 00:08:13,395 transfer away, save some labor and stop taking runoff rings and just get used 190 00:08:13,395 --> 00:08:14,865 to trusting your substrate sensors. 191 00:08:15,285 --> 00:08:16,095 Seth Baumgartner: Mm-hmm yeah. 192 00:08:16,095 --> 00:08:19,365 And you know, here's another reality too, unless you're running the 193 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:22,335 same strain with the same media and the same nutrients for time. 194 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:26,055 Amor immor you do want to go out and take runoff samples to 195 00:08:26,055 --> 00:08:28,995 look at your pH, especially when you're dialing a new strain. 196 00:08:28,995 --> 00:08:32,565 So it's one of those just, you know, best gardening practices 197 00:08:32,565 --> 00:08:33,765 to be out there collecting that. 198 00:08:34,425 --> 00:08:37,875 And then learning how to compare it and learning which values should concern you. 199 00:08:37,905 --> 00:08:42,795 What shouldn't like if I'm taking runoff samples and I look at PPM, I'm not gonna 200 00:08:42,795 --> 00:08:46,515 say I totally ignore that, but unless I see something crazy, unbelievable, 201 00:08:46,545 --> 00:08:51,105 you know, 5,000 plus or something on the PPM scale, I'm not really gonna 202 00:08:51,105 --> 00:08:53,775 look that hearted and I'm gonna say what's going on in the root zone. 203 00:08:54,135 --> 00:08:57,285 And then if those two things don't, you know, come close 204 00:08:57,285 --> 00:08:58,665 to lining up during runoff. 205 00:08:58,737 --> 00:08:59,037 Alright. 206 00:08:59,037 --> 00:09:01,587 Maybe I might go take my solos and check some other pots. 207 00:09:01,587 --> 00:09:03,057 Am I stabbed into an abnormal? 208 00:09:03,957 --> 00:09:07,077 , you know, first, the first thing to always do is trust that the sensor's 209 00:09:07,077 --> 00:09:11,127 not lying to you, but the reasons that you might think it could be lying are 210 00:09:11,127 --> 00:09:13,047 sometimes pretty simple, dry pocket. 211 00:09:13,437 --> 00:09:15,177 You're getting a salty pocket in the block. 212 00:09:15,182 --> 00:09:17,157 I mean, these are pretty precise instruments. 213 00:09:17,187 --> 00:09:19,998 And I would say just having a background in using a lot of scientific 214 00:09:19,998 --> 00:09:23,778 instruments, we have probably the most simple installation protocol. 215 00:09:24,198 --> 00:09:26,748 just about any kind of precise instrument on the market. 216 00:09:27,258 --> 00:09:27,768 And. 217 00:09:28,473 --> 00:09:32,733 It's not entirely easy to mess up, but you also count on human 218 00:09:32,733 --> 00:09:34,033 error every once in a while, as. 219 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:39,408 Jason: And kind of just, you know, when we're thinking about in application, how 220 00:09:39,408 --> 00:09:40,938 are some of the best ways to log this? 221 00:09:40,938 --> 00:09:43,838 Well, definitely use your manual readings on your AROYA mobile app. 222 00:09:44,045 --> 00:09:45,005 It's super easy. 223 00:09:45,023 --> 00:09:48,326 You know, you just stay, it can be stayed, logged in, just hit the, the 224 00:09:48,326 --> 00:09:51,296 app button and then there's a little plus and the bottom left and it's 225 00:09:51,296 --> 00:09:53,306 gonna snap those manual readings. 226 00:09:53,378 --> 00:09:54,698 So just get those put in there. 227 00:09:55,088 --> 00:09:56,628 Another thing to kind of keep in mind is. 228 00:09:56,655 --> 00:09:59,385 You know, like how I started this question was talking about how many 229 00:09:59,385 --> 00:10:00,495 plants are we capturing, right. 230 00:10:00,495 --> 00:10:01,185 The sample size. 231 00:10:01,185 --> 00:10:05,325 So if we are doing it by strain, are we picking enough samples to 232 00:10:05,330 --> 00:10:06,765 represent what's going on in that area? 233 00:10:07,065 --> 00:10:10,700 If you have good drain systems where you've got like a trap, 234 00:10:10,940 --> 00:10:14,308 that's a great spot to put in a time series, you know, in ES two and 235 00:10:14,308 --> 00:10:16,078 start kind of get an idea of all. 236 00:10:16,588 --> 00:10:19,258 When I look at the entire population, you know, the, the 237 00:10:19,258 --> 00:10:21,088 systematic EUC of the runoff. 238 00:10:21,523 --> 00:10:23,983 Have that against the system compared to your input, you 239 00:10:23,983 --> 00:10:25,123 see, and your substrate sees, 240 00:10:28,513 --> 00:10:31,963 Kaisha: I gotta say it's really cool to experience the nuggets of wisdom 241 00:10:31,963 --> 00:10:34,333 being dropped in person in real time. 242 00:10:34,573 --> 00:10:36,073 Extremely excited to be here. 243 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:36,553 Okay. 244 00:10:37,003 --> 00:10:39,433 So thank you so much for that question. 245 00:10:39,523 --> 00:10:42,943 One of our live attendees had he raised his hand here, Johnny, can you 246 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:44,533 unmute yourself and ask your question? 247 00:10:48,583 --> 00:10:51,043 Mm-hmm we can't hear you, Johnny. 248 00:10:51,928 --> 00:10:53,278 So Johnny do us a favor. 249 00:10:53,338 --> 00:10:55,558 If you could just type your question in the chat, I'm 250 00:10:55,558 --> 00:10:56,848 gonna go ahead and speak to it. 251 00:10:56,849 --> 00:10:59,679 In the meantime, let me go ahead and take Michael's question here. 252 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,791 Michael wants to know what EC and PPF would you recommend running moms? 253 00:11:11,051 --> 00:11:11,541 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah. 254 00:11:11,541 --> 00:11:11,941 Okay. 255 00:11:12,621 --> 00:11:12,861 Sorry. 256 00:11:12,861 --> 00:11:13,011 Sure. 257 00:11:13,011 --> 00:11:13,641 You weren't doing something. 258 00:11:13,641 --> 00:11:14,031 Yeah. 259 00:11:14,037 --> 00:11:17,749 Oh, typically a two to three C and at least 600 PFD. 260 00:11:17,989 --> 00:11:20,389 I mean, you don't want your clones to be incredibly stretched out. 261 00:11:20,389 --> 00:11:23,389 We want robust, well, hardened off clones. 262 00:11:23,449 --> 00:11:29,479 So pretty similar to coming outta bed, you know, not encouraging you to put 263 00:11:29,484 --> 00:11:33,559 your moms right next to your output bench on your bedroom, but we're not 264 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,119 looking at anything terribly special. 265 00:11:35,119 --> 00:11:38,419 And honestly, probably one of the biggest things to look at is how much internet 266 00:11:38,419 --> 00:11:39,729 space you're getting on your clients. 267 00:11:40,429 --> 00:11:43,039 and then, you know, looking at your training strategies and okay. 268 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,159 Do we need to uplight intensity to shorten that internet space? 269 00:11:46,249 --> 00:11:48,889 Do we want uplight intensity to get a little faster growth? 270 00:11:48,889 --> 00:11:49,429 Personally? 271 00:11:49,429 --> 00:11:51,649 I like running 'em in a little higher light intensity, cuz that 272 00:11:51,649 --> 00:11:54,809 means the clones I'm pulling off of those can take more light. 273 00:11:54,809 --> 00:11:55,778 They're a little more hardened off. 274 00:11:55,778 --> 00:11:58,208 They have a higher chlorophyll content, more chloro plus 275 00:11:58,268 --> 00:11:59,558 in their individual cells. 276 00:11:59,948 --> 00:12:01,748 That's what I want to do typically. 277 00:12:03,998 --> 00:12:06,518 Jason: Yeah, just to, to add to that, you know, when we're talking about 278 00:12:06,518 --> 00:12:10,178 some of those parameters, also keep in mind the CO2 impact in there. 279 00:12:10,208 --> 00:12:13,388 Mm-hmm you definitely wanna be running supplemental CO2 with your moms. 280 00:12:13,415 --> 00:12:14,953 It's gonna be absolutely worth it. 281 00:12:14,953 --> 00:12:17,722 When we look at your cutting health and that the cutting count 282 00:12:17,782 --> 00:12:20,436 that you can get off those moms they're gonna grow nice and fast. 283 00:12:20,436 --> 00:12:23,436 So I was always, you know, just kind of a, a rule thumb. 284 00:12:23,436 --> 00:12:25,879 It's not exact there's, there's lots of charts up there that tell. 285 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:32,601 Relationship between the appropriate CO2 PPM levels and the amount of PF D that 286 00:12:32,601 --> 00:12:34,281 you're putting into there with light. 287 00:12:34,311 --> 00:12:39,106 And but usually, you know, I talk about having you know, what was it CO2 about 288 00:12:39,226 --> 00:12:41,806 200 points off of your PPF D yeah, 289 00:12:42,016 --> 00:12:43,786 Seth Baumgartner: PF D plus 200 to two 50. 290 00:12:43,786 --> 00:12:46,186 And that's usually a nice cushion and. 291 00:12:47,106 --> 00:12:49,506 you know, luckily, so far CO2 usually isn't that expensive. 292 00:12:49,506 --> 00:12:51,876 So that 200 PPM isn't gonna break the bank. 293 00:12:52,356 --> 00:12:55,686 Jason: Well, you know, when we think about improving processes, 294 00:12:55,686 --> 00:12:58,416 if we are getting a fast. 295 00:12:59,076 --> 00:13:01,986 It's gonna translate all the way throughout that plant lifecycle. 296 00:13:02,136 --> 00:13:05,886 I, you know, I definitely think that cloning is an area where 297 00:13:06,546 --> 00:13:08,226 SOPs are extremely important. 298 00:13:08,406 --> 00:13:12,276 You know, if you can keep a similar cloning staff that is used to the way 299 00:13:12,281 --> 00:13:15,726 that you're doing it, you're gonna have much less problems down the road. 300 00:13:16,026 --> 00:13:19,866 And, you know, as, as we know, the, if you do run into problems, they're way 301 00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:21,036 easier to correct when these plants are. 302 00:13:24,366 --> 00:13:24,756 Kaisha: Michael. 303 00:13:24,756 --> 00:13:25,806 Thank you so much for your question. 304 00:13:25,806 --> 00:13:26,286 Good to see you. 305 00:13:26,286 --> 00:13:27,396 Glad you joined us today. 306 00:13:27,426 --> 00:13:28,146 All right, Johnny. 307 00:13:28,146 --> 00:13:30,006 Thank you for typing your question in the chat here. 308 00:13:30,006 --> 00:13:31,206 Here is Johnny's question. 309 00:13:31,506 --> 00:13:32,946 I'm asking about Fox tailing. 310 00:13:32,946 --> 00:13:34,026 Why does it happen? 311 00:13:34,266 --> 00:13:35,496 What can we do to mitigate? 312 00:13:35,496 --> 00:13:39,006 Is there any way to help control via crop steering or more so or more? 313 00:13:39,006 --> 00:13:40,686 So a strained nutrient issue. 314 00:13:40,836 --> 00:13:41,446 Thanks. 315 00:13:41,466 --> 00:13:41,766 Thank you. 316 00:13:44,871 --> 00:13:45,171 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah. 317 00:13:45,171 --> 00:13:48,141 So typically when I've seen Fox tailing in the past, it's 318 00:13:48,141 --> 00:13:49,611 generally a heat related issue. 319 00:13:49,611 --> 00:13:51,441 And what that is is certain strains. 320 00:13:51,546 --> 00:13:53,346 It's just a genetic trait, right? 321 00:13:53,586 --> 00:13:56,736 In the presence of high heat, they will stretch out and produce Foxtails that's 322 00:13:56,736 --> 00:13:58,596 to help dissipate heat within the plant. 323 00:13:58,601 --> 00:14:01,836 That's why we see, you know, if we look back at some like land, race varieties 324 00:14:01,836 --> 00:14:04,596 from equatorial areas, a lot of times they don't have little tight NUS. 325 00:14:04,596 --> 00:14:05,166 Like we like. 326 00:14:05,796 --> 00:14:07,459 Pretty blown out in Fox taily. 327 00:14:07,459 --> 00:14:10,292 Typically it's a heat problem combined with that genetic trigger. 328 00:14:10,292 --> 00:14:14,642 So if a strain's gonna do it and you run that thing above 85 to 90 329 00:14:14,642 --> 00:14:18,212 degrees, you're most likely gonna get some Fox tailing and a big place. 330 00:14:18,212 --> 00:14:20,582 I actually see it is when people are really trying to crank that 331 00:14:20,582 --> 00:14:22,432 PPF D with their H I D lights. 332 00:14:23,117 --> 00:14:26,117 As they're starting to lower that sometimes the top, those 333 00:14:26,117 --> 00:14:28,937 top colas top layer NUS will start to see some Fox tailing. 334 00:14:28,937 --> 00:14:31,937 Because if you take your thermometer and go shine it at it, your room 335 00:14:31,937 --> 00:14:36,377 might be 77, but that top just a foot under the light might be like 95. 336 00:14:37,637 --> 00:14:38,057 Yeah. 337 00:14:38,327 --> 00:14:40,427 Jason: This is where, you know, tracking your. 338 00:14:41,492 --> 00:14:43,622 crop recipes is so important. 339 00:14:43,622 --> 00:14:48,332 If you can detail a harvest group and be like, well, we saw foxtail and two 340 00:14:48,332 --> 00:14:49,862 out of the three strains in this room. 341 00:14:50,192 --> 00:14:54,332 Well, now we know that the one strain is, is probably better suited for 342 00:14:54,332 --> 00:14:57,572 how you ran that environment and some of those irrigation parameters and. 343 00:14:58,077 --> 00:15:00,237 The answer of mitigating with crop steering. 344 00:15:00,297 --> 00:15:01,167 Absolutely. 345 00:15:01,227 --> 00:15:04,767 When we, we talk about crop steering in here, a lot of times we are focused on 346 00:15:04,802 --> 00:15:09,653 irrigation just simply because it is a major factor and, and we kind of are, are 347 00:15:09,653 --> 00:15:13,703 compounding on, what's kind of known in environment about crop steering, but it's 348 00:15:13,703 --> 00:15:15,863 all of those parameters combined, right? 349 00:15:16,103 --> 00:15:19,373 And typically we want some type of balance between all of those. 350 00:15:19,643 --> 00:15:23,843 You know, if we're running an extremely generative type of irrigation system, 351 00:15:24,113 --> 00:15:25,433 sometimes we want to be a little bit. 352 00:15:26,263 --> 00:15:29,308 In our, our humidity and and temperatures in those rooms. 353 00:15:29,458 --> 00:15:32,158 So just kind of keep in mind how all of those are playing 354 00:15:32,158 --> 00:15:34,018 on, on the plant physiology. 355 00:15:35,038 --> 00:15:35,698 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, absolutely. 356 00:15:35,698 --> 00:15:37,378 We're talking about a dynamic environment. 357 00:15:37,378 --> 00:15:39,538 You know, if we want the dry backs, we need the VPD. 358 00:15:39,808 --> 00:15:42,748 If we want the VPD, we've gotta have the environmental control to achieve it. 359 00:15:42,748 --> 00:15:46,978 So it, it isn't, it's never just any of those one, one factor such as 360 00:15:46,978 --> 00:15:49,588 irrigation or nutrients, that's for sure. 361 00:15:49,588 --> 00:15:53,278 And, you know, on the foxtail topic, one thing that I like to point out to 362 00:15:53,278 --> 00:15:54,628 people, and they're real concerned about. 363 00:15:54,703 --> 00:15:58,963 Man, unless you're trying to shove that top nugget into a single jar as 364 00:15:58,963 --> 00:16:00,253 long as the rest of the, Nugget's fine. 365 00:16:00,253 --> 00:16:03,283 If you just got a few, Foxtails usually that's an easy problem to trim out. 366 00:16:03,703 --> 00:16:06,703 And then, like Jason said, look at, look at your holistic approach next time. 367 00:16:06,703 --> 00:16:09,913 And if you are seeing Foxtails honestly, one of the biggest things is have 368 00:16:09,918 --> 00:16:13,783 that patience to finish that run and look at the whole run day by day. 369 00:16:13,783 --> 00:16:15,763 At the end of it, don't look at what happened last week. 370 00:16:15,763 --> 00:16:17,053 Don't look at what happened yesterday. 371 00:16:17,548 --> 00:16:20,698 Look at what happened two months ago, and then everything in between. 372 00:16:20,698 --> 00:16:26,008 Cuz sometimes it's easy to miss, you know, a big mistake just because you see 373 00:16:26,008 --> 00:16:28,918 all these little issues that are popping up and you're dealing with every day. 374 00:16:30,448 --> 00:16:30,898 Take a bunch 375 00:16:30,903 --> 00:16:31,588 Jason: of pictures. 376 00:16:31,768 --> 00:16:34,978 If you can do a picture of each strain in the room every day, 377 00:16:35,218 --> 00:16:36,508 that's gonna give you an idea of. 378 00:16:37,678 --> 00:16:41,068 Stage those things really started developing the wrong morphology 379 00:16:41,068 --> 00:16:43,198 that you ideally were shooting for. 380 00:16:43,251 --> 00:16:47,007 And sometimes it's, you know, maybe in the last week, maybe it started 381 00:16:47,397 --> 00:16:51,027 doing that three weeks in and that'll also help you identify some of the 382 00:16:51,027 --> 00:16:55,656 environmental irrigation based parameters that that led up to that response. 383 00:16:56,501 --> 00:16:56,661 Kaisha: Hmm. 384 00:16:57,901 --> 00:16:58,381 I love that. 385 00:16:58,381 --> 00:17:02,638 Just reminding everybody that your, your data is your, those 386 00:17:02,638 --> 00:17:03,928 are those metrics are valuable. 387 00:17:03,928 --> 00:17:07,108 Finding the trends in, in what's going on with your cultivation, being able to 388 00:17:07,108 --> 00:17:08,728 track it and being able to identify stuff. 389 00:17:08,728 --> 00:17:09,478 That's so cool. 390 00:17:10,108 --> 00:17:11,068 Okay. 391 00:17:11,338 --> 00:17:13,648 I've got another question from Instagram. 392 00:17:13,678 --> 00:17:14,308 Oh, wait. 393 00:17:14,308 --> 00:17:15,928 I think we had some shout outs from YouTube, right? 394 00:17:15,928 --> 00:17:16,348 Mandy? 395 00:17:16,678 --> 00:17:17,248 Yeah. 396 00:17:17,248 --> 00:17:17,608 So 397 00:17:17,608 --> 00:17:20,068 Mandy: we got a couple shout outs over on YouTube. 398 00:17:20,068 --> 00:17:20,842 Some people. 399 00:17:21,982 --> 00:17:25,742 Saying, Hey, we got some people from Hawaii giving us shoutouts. 400 00:17:26,272 --> 00:17:27,382 That's from Greg. 401 00:17:27,382 --> 00:17:30,712 We have couple of cultivators out in Oklahoma city. 402 00:17:30,781 --> 00:17:32,779 So yeah, just saying how to you guys if you have any questions, 403 00:17:32,779 --> 00:17:35,419 make sure you submit 'em and I'll make sure I get 'em to the team. 404 00:17:35,529 --> 00:17:36,019 Kaisha: Yeah. 405 00:17:36,349 --> 00:17:37,609 Thanks Mandy. 406 00:17:37,614 --> 00:17:40,309 Hey, what's up to everybody out there so glad to have y'all on. 407 00:17:40,339 --> 00:17:42,349 All right, we're gonna keep it moving berserk. 408 00:17:42,349 --> 00:17:46,991 Or 10 15 wrote in what do you want the EC substrate to be at, during. 409 00:17:46,991 --> 00:17:49,561 Jason: So we, we go over this quite a few, quite a few times. 410 00:17:49,561 --> 00:17:53,579 And when we are looking at time series data there could be a massive 411 00:17:53,579 --> 00:17:56,019 discrepancy in our irrigation. 412 00:17:56,088 --> 00:17:58,815 Well, our, our substrate EC at irrigation. 413 00:17:58,857 --> 00:18:01,017 Versus just before irrigation. 414 00:18:01,017 --> 00:18:04,917 So I full, dry back and probably the biggest dynamics that we 415 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:06,477 are gonna see is at harvest. 416 00:18:06,477 --> 00:18:10,018 So, you know, if we've dropped our, our feed EC maybe to, you know, three 417 00:18:10,023 --> 00:18:13,680 quarters or half strength, nutrients we could be going in at say, you know, one 418 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,700 and a half or two EC in the feed levels. 419 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,556 And that substrate EC is gonna drop down quite a bit. 420 00:18:21,706 --> 00:18:25,276 When we irrigate with that a little, slightly less nutrient 421 00:18:25,276 --> 00:18:26,566 rich water than we're used to. 422 00:18:26,589 --> 00:18:30,359 The thing is, is we're pushing massive dry backs during this riping 423 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,359 phase, because one we're, you know, trying to, to signal this plant 424 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,789 to finish up as best as possible. 425 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:39,419 And two, we have huge plants that are transpiring a lot. 426 00:18:39,779 --> 00:18:45,029 And so, you know, we could see a range spike of, you know, anywhere between say, 427 00:18:45,884 --> 00:18:51,864 On the low end at two, if you've got a lot of runoff and at the high end 1520 428 00:18:51,864 --> 00:18:55,188 you know, this is one stage where I don't necessarily get too worried about really 429 00:18:55,193 --> 00:18:59,702 high ECS because we're, we're taking these plants down soon, and we're not gonna 430 00:18:59,707 --> 00:19:02,492 necessarily risk any detrimental effects. 431 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:07,103 So yeah, it's gonna depend on when you're taking that substrate 432 00:19:07,103 --> 00:19:09,388 EC during between irrigations. 433 00:19:10,318 --> 00:19:10,948 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, I think there's. 434 00:19:12,463 --> 00:19:13,993 One big thing to remember about all this. 435 00:19:13,993 --> 00:19:17,443 When you're looking at EC in the root zone, is that interaction that salt 436 00:19:17,443 --> 00:19:18,733 water actually has with the plant. 437 00:19:18,733 --> 00:19:21,943 So when we're talking about a nutrient solution, a big part that we're talking 438 00:19:21,943 --> 00:19:23,683 about is osmotic stress on the plant. 439 00:19:24,223 --> 00:19:27,553 And not that we're always stressing the plant hard, but the plant has to adapt 440 00:19:27,558 --> 00:19:29,113 to that changing osmotic environment. 441 00:19:29,788 --> 00:19:32,548 . So when we come into the end, you know, there is no hard, fast 442 00:19:32,548 --> 00:19:34,078 rule on what EC we want to be at. 443 00:19:34,078 --> 00:19:36,928 Like Jason said, some plants might be up at that 14, 15. 444 00:19:36,958 --> 00:19:40,558 I've seen some that are finishing and 10 on the low end and 22, 23 445 00:19:40,563 --> 00:19:42,148 on the upper end at the dry side. 446 00:19:42,148 --> 00:19:42,718 And guess what? 447 00:19:43,438 --> 00:19:44,188 They looked great. 448 00:19:44,848 --> 00:19:45,868 You know what happened though? 449 00:19:46,438 --> 00:19:49,588 That particular person got their EC up early on. 450 00:19:49,828 --> 00:19:52,008 They maintained a relatively high EC and. 451 00:19:52,543 --> 00:19:56,323 Realize that if they were to drop that right out, they were really gonna change 452 00:19:56,323 --> 00:19:59,983 that root zone environment, probably at the detriment to the plant's roots. 453 00:20:00,733 --> 00:20:05,263 So when we're talking about root zone EC, you know, number one, tapering 454 00:20:05,263 --> 00:20:07,903 off feed like Jason was talking about, we do want to taper that 455 00:20:07,908 --> 00:20:09,103 down, but we don't wanna drop it out. 456 00:20:09,103 --> 00:20:11,293 We don't wanna hit two weeks before and just start flushing 457 00:20:11,298 --> 00:20:12,103 everything out of there. 458 00:20:12,133 --> 00:20:13,693 We want to gently bring that down. 459 00:20:13,693 --> 00:20:14,203 If we're going. 460 00:20:15,298 --> 00:20:18,122 and then also think about what you're actually putting in, you know, I'm not 461 00:20:18,122 --> 00:20:21,212 gonna name any specifically, but I do know a lot of people that will fish to 462 00:20:21,422 --> 00:20:25,772 switch to a finishing product so that they can maintain EC in their feed. 463 00:20:25,802 --> 00:20:29,762 Say it that 1.5 to 2.0, but they're pulling back nitrogen, they're 464 00:20:29,762 --> 00:20:32,372 pulling back other elements that they know the plant's not gonna 465 00:20:32,372 --> 00:20:33,782 use during that time period. 466 00:20:34,022 --> 00:20:37,982 And there are products out there that do kind of give you a one stop solution 467 00:20:37,982 --> 00:20:41,312 for that and make it easier rather than you trying to worry about, okay. 468 00:20:41,312 --> 00:20:41,732 Do I pull. 469 00:20:42,527 --> 00:20:45,137 Part a part, you know, what am I pulling out here to make 470 00:20:45,137 --> 00:20:46,337 sure I'm not messing it up? 471 00:20:46,337 --> 00:20:50,957 And if you're not gonna take it super far, I would highly recommend just 472 00:20:50,957 --> 00:20:56,417 what Jason said, you know, taper down your PDC and slowly ride it out. 473 00:20:58,367 --> 00:20:58,637 Yeah. 474 00:20:59,027 --> 00:20:59,327 And 475 00:20:59,537 --> 00:21:01,997 Jason: I talked about this already here today. 476 00:21:01,997 --> 00:21:06,527 It's if you can document what worked well, that's gonna get you so far 477 00:21:06,527 --> 00:21:08,537 ahead on each of these strains and you won't be chasing your. 478 00:21:08,596 --> 00:21:10,771 Try not to modify too many variables. 479 00:21:11,131 --> 00:21:16,206 So if, you know, if you say, Hey, this, this nutrient level was good for this 480 00:21:16,206 --> 00:21:20,586 strain type during that run, well, then keep it there for a few runs and maybe try 481 00:21:20,586 --> 00:21:23,886 and play with something else that you're looking to optimize at your facility. 482 00:21:25,986 --> 00:21:26,466 Kaisha: All right. 483 00:21:26,466 --> 00:21:27,906 I think we're moving over to YouTube. 484 00:21:27,906 --> 00:21:29,076 We've got some questions over there, right? 485 00:21:29,076 --> 00:21:29,436 Mandy? 486 00:21:29,616 --> 00:21:30,396 Yeah, we did 487 00:21:30,396 --> 00:21:31,806 Mandy: have a couple questions rolling. 488 00:21:31,876 --> 00:21:33,346 John Simone wants to know. 489 00:21:34,021 --> 00:21:37,351 my plants had tight nuggets until three weeks before harvest. 490 00:21:37,441 --> 00:21:38,491 Then they loosened up. 491 00:21:38,821 --> 00:21:41,611 I believe it was because I didn't know about crop steering. 492 00:21:41,641 --> 00:21:43,921 I was running 20% dry back. 493 00:21:44,131 --> 00:21:48,121 I increased dry back to 40% and a little bit of clarification. 494 00:21:48,121 --> 00:21:52,801 I'm in five gallon cloth pots with cocoa per light mix and 800 wa LEDs. 495 00:21:53,701 --> 00:21:54,281 Any advice? 496 00:21:54,376 --> 00:21:57,766 Jason: It's hard to say, you know, without having some detailed 497 00:21:57,766 --> 00:22:01,306 graphs of all the inputs in their relationship to your plants. 498 00:22:01,341 --> 00:22:02,661 I would probably, yeah. 499 00:22:02,661 --> 00:22:07,512 Look at irrigation, timing changes and runoffs and nutrient concentrations 500 00:22:07,512 --> 00:22:09,819 to think about you know, that plant might be running a little 501 00:22:09,819 --> 00:22:12,879 bit more generative or excuse me, I'm a little bit more vegetative 502 00:22:12,939 --> 00:22:14,449 and you didn't run your generat. 503 00:22:14,478 --> 00:22:15,708 Steering quite long enough. 504 00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:18,318 You know, obviously if you didn't know about crop steering, then you're 505 00:22:18,318 --> 00:22:19,858 probably somewhere in the, the balance. 506 00:22:19,886 --> 00:22:22,466 If you're in five gallon, soft pots, there's a chance 507 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:23,846 you're also hand watering. 508 00:22:23,886 --> 00:22:27,846 And so kind of, kind of hard for us to just nail it down 509 00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:29,586 to, to one, one factor here. 510 00:22:30,666 --> 00:22:30,966 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah. 511 00:22:30,966 --> 00:22:33,786 I mean, personally, I, I would have to guess that if you're using it per 512 00:22:33,786 --> 00:22:36,846 light mix, you probably don't have a very high water holding capacity 513 00:22:36,936 --> 00:22:39,786 in your media, which means there's a good chance that you're not able to 514 00:22:39,786 --> 00:22:41,826 achieve a full 22 hour drive back in. 515 00:22:41,862 --> 00:22:44,669 That's been my experience in running, you know, a 50, 50 or 516 00:22:44,669 --> 00:22:47,249 a 30, 70 per light cocoa mix. 517 00:22:47,323 --> 00:22:50,983 You know, as you're moving forward and learning to grow with sensors and actually 518 00:22:51,163 --> 00:22:54,883 stop leaning on, like, let's say per light as a crutch, there's a lot better 519 00:22:54,883 --> 00:22:58,603 possibility that you can run generatively at the end, because that would typically 520 00:22:58,603 --> 00:23:01,551 be a classic sign of like, we see this all the time with people running in the hug. 521 00:23:02,661 --> 00:23:04,161 They flip a plant too big. 522 00:23:04,311 --> 00:23:05,271 Everything's going good. 523 00:23:05,271 --> 00:23:07,701 Then we get to that last three weeks and it's like, wow. 524 00:23:07,731 --> 00:23:10,521 If we go two hours without watering, we have a pretty much a 525 00:23:10,521 --> 00:23:13,851 wilting plant and I I'm not there. 526 00:23:13,881 --> 00:23:16,791 So I can't know if that's exactly what you're experiencing, but it really, 527 00:23:16,791 --> 00:23:18,231 it sounds a lot like that to me. 528 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:19,401 Yeah, 529 00:23:19,431 --> 00:23:21,201 Jason: he might just be on the other end of that. 530 00:23:21,261 --> 00:23:25,399 And if I have gallon soft pot we could be growing some seriously massive plants. 531 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:25,869 Yeah. 532 00:23:26,479 --> 00:23:26,689 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah. 533 00:23:26,694 --> 00:23:28,759 And you know, one thing I remember too, if you have that high per like 534 00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,879 concentration in there, even if we're not giving it a lot of water, 535 00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:33,409 we do have a bigger, poor space. 536 00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:36,019 We are able to introduce more oxygen into that root zone. 537 00:23:36,499 --> 00:23:40,789 So even though we're not pulsing it quite as much in totality, we're putting 538 00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:43,879 more oxygen into the root zone and that per light's holding it there longer. 539 00:23:44,929 --> 00:23:46,669 So not intentional. 540 00:23:47,494 --> 00:23:48,754 Unintentionally vegetative. 541 00:23:50,224 --> 00:23:50,554 Yeah. 542 00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:54,004 Mandy: You'll have to let us know John, if that answered your question and yeah. 543 00:23:54,004 --> 00:23:56,224 Stick with us so we can learn more about craft sharing and we 544 00:23:56,224 --> 00:23:57,454 can get to the bottom of this. 545 00:23:57,516 --> 00:24:01,169 We also got a shout out from I believe the cultivated in Oklahoma city. 546 00:24:01,169 --> 00:24:03,869 Happy to be here, been using AROYA for a year, and it's very 547 00:24:03,869 --> 00:24:04,499 Kaisha: helpful. 548 00:24:04,504 --> 00:24:04,889 Great to hear. 549 00:24:05,159 --> 00:24:06,569 Oh, we love to hear that. 550 00:24:06,569 --> 00:24:07,229 So welcome. 551 00:24:07,229 --> 00:24:07,559 Welcome. 552 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:08,999 So glad to have y'all here. 553 00:24:09,419 --> 00:24:09,779 All right. 554 00:24:09,779 --> 00:24:10,769 We back to Instagram. 555 00:24:11,189 --> 00:24:13,049 Question from Kevin's greens. 556 00:24:13,409 --> 00:24:17,009 How do you humidify your room without calcifying everything 557 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:23,924 Jason: first best step would be running your humidifier water through your RO. 558 00:24:24,134 --> 00:24:25,072 So, that's gonna. 559 00:24:26,187 --> 00:24:30,835 Be the, probably the easiest factor to, to try and help, help out with that. 560 00:24:30,863 --> 00:24:34,763 And then also have, you know, high quality humidifier in there. 561 00:24:34,823 --> 00:24:37,973 So, you know, if you can use something that does vaporize that 562 00:24:37,973 --> 00:24:42,564 water as best as possible, it's less likely to build up any minerals on 563 00:24:42,564 --> 00:24:43,374 Seth Baumgartner: your surfaces. 564 00:24:44,034 --> 00:24:44,454 Yep. 565 00:24:44,724 --> 00:24:47,397 You know, a lot of girls will know if I joke about smaller bubbles. 566 00:24:47,847 --> 00:24:50,967 In things smaller droplets are, are better just like 567 00:24:50,967 --> 00:24:52,137 smaller bubbles at dispersing. 568 00:24:52,137 --> 00:24:53,187 What we wanna disperse here. 569 00:24:54,567 --> 00:24:57,597 Jason: And then obviously it's always good to do a good, good 570 00:24:57,597 --> 00:25:02,817 room clean afterwards mm-hmm but so obviously as usual, prevention's 571 00:25:02,817 --> 00:25:06,563 the best thing, but maintenance is usually what it's gonna take. 572 00:25:07,433 --> 00:25:07,703 Yep. 573 00:25:07,813 --> 00:25:08,093 Hard 574 00:25:08,093 --> 00:25:09,263 Seth Baumgartner: water issues are never fun. 575 00:25:09,443 --> 00:25:10,133 That's for sure. 576 00:25:10,433 --> 00:25:13,253 I imagine if we're talking about this, you might have, you know, some 577 00:25:13,253 --> 00:25:16,223 interesting irrigation issues and stuff that you deal with from time to time and. 578 00:25:17,093 --> 00:25:20,453 Like Jason said our as much as a lot of us don't wanna pay for it, going 579 00:25:20,453 --> 00:25:24,254 back to a highly filtered water source sometimes is the easiest, easiest 580 00:25:24,254 --> 00:25:27,944 solution to dealing with, you know, clogging equipment and hard water issues. 581 00:25:28,064 --> 00:25:28,334 Mm-hmm 582 00:25:31,154 --> 00:25:31,694 Kaisha: wonderful. 583 00:25:31,699 --> 00:25:33,974 Thank you all for that, that answer. 584 00:25:33,979 --> 00:25:35,324 Keeping it moving here. 585 00:25:35,324 --> 00:25:40,164 Drunk, drunk nomad, 40 ounce wants to know and great handle by the way. 586 00:25:40,164 --> 00:25:43,351 They're looking for tips on how to control the three week stretch. 587 00:25:43,711 --> 00:25:44,390 Any thoughts on that? 588 00:25:44,459 --> 00:25:45,329 Jason: Generative steering. 589 00:25:45,959 --> 00:25:46,229 Yep. 590 00:25:47,999 --> 00:25:51,509 Seth Baumgartner: Long dry backs, higher humidity, not high, high 591 00:25:51,514 --> 00:25:56,369 humidity, but you know, we're looking at that 1.9 to 1.1, 1.2 VP. 592 00:25:56,369 --> 00:25:59,099 That way we're not, you know, we always wanna think of the air, like 593 00:25:59,099 --> 00:26:00,479 a person sucking up through a straw. 594 00:26:01,109 --> 00:26:04,409 If they're sucking really, really hard suddenly we, you know, get that nice 595 00:26:04,589 --> 00:26:06,179 empty sound at the bottom with the ice. 596 00:26:06,209 --> 00:26:06,269 Yeah. 597 00:26:06,569 --> 00:26:09,399 If we suck a little slower, we can draw that out. 598 00:26:10,529 --> 00:26:11,069 It's a great 599 00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:11,699 Kaisha: analogy. 600 00:26:12,569 --> 00:26:13,169 Thank you. 601 00:26:14,189 --> 00:26:14,729 All right. 602 00:26:14,939 --> 00:26:15,719 Gonna keep it going. 603 00:26:15,719 --> 00:26:18,209 And just a reminder to those of us who are those of you all who are on with us, 604 00:26:18,209 --> 00:26:19,919 live type your questions into the chat. 605 00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:21,809 So we can get you to talk to the experts. 606 00:26:21,809 --> 00:26:23,039 This is the best chance. 607 00:26:23,399 --> 00:26:23,909 All right. 608 00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:25,289 King green beast. 609 00:26:25,349 --> 00:26:30,059 These handles love them, wants to know what result differences 610 00:26:30,059 --> 00:26:36,179 have been recorded on 6% dry back versus 4% on P two waterings. 611 00:26:37,889 --> 00:26:40,109 Seth Baumgartner: any thoughts on, as far as like results require, I 612 00:26:40,109 --> 00:26:43,499 would say that the frequency of P two, two waterings and their effects 613 00:26:43,499 --> 00:26:44,729 are highly strained dependent. 614 00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:47,669 So some strains that naturally grow more generatively. 615 00:26:48,029 --> 00:26:51,918 We can hit that with you know, say as many P two S as we want. 616 00:26:51,918 --> 00:26:55,158 And at that point, we're looking at more like a 1% drive back between P 617 00:26:55,158 --> 00:26:57,198 two S if we're looking at four versus. 618 00:26:58,023 --> 00:27:02,733 The reality is not so much that that four to 6% affects anything on the plant. 619 00:27:02,733 --> 00:27:04,713 It's about the time between the two irrigation. 620 00:27:04,713 --> 00:27:08,883 So we're talking about going two thirds as long, or the whole way. 621 00:27:08,883 --> 00:27:12,963 If we're talking about four versus six and plant to plant, that's actually 622 00:27:12,963 --> 00:27:14,583 gonna vary a lot in how it affects it. 623 00:27:14,583 --> 00:27:17,763 Like I said, some plants that grow more generatively, they're gonna respond 624 00:27:17,768 --> 00:27:19,563 to this bulking by just swelling up. 625 00:27:20,103 --> 00:27:23,853 If we look at some plants that classically grow a lot more vegetatively. 626 00:27:24,873 --> 00:27:25,623 Always talk about it. 627 00:27:25,623 --> 00:27:28,863 You know, the classic diesels, some of the hazes, anything that we always 628 00:27:28,863 --> 00:27:31,563 thought was a sativa that ran 10 weeks. 629 00:27:31,607 --> 00:27:34,431 Typically what we're gonna look at is like, yeah, we probably aren't 630 00:27:34,431 --> 00:27:37,161 gonna hit those super hard with the P two S cuz we're not trying to get 631 00:27:37,161 --> 00:27:38,451 'em to stretch up into the ceiling. 632 00:27:39,261 --> 00:27:42,621 You know, we might run something like that generatively most of the way 633 00:27:42,621 --> 00:27:46,371 through, just because, you know, after a few times running, it tried bulking 634 00:27:46,371 --> 00:27:49,851 and we always suffer a quality loss and then we're looking at a strain. 635 00:27:50,946 --> 00:27:55,056 you know, may not be worth your time to try to grow in your particular facility. 636 00:27:55,116 --> 00:27:57,096 Mm-hmm . If you're trying to plan a business, you've gotta 637 00:27:57,096 --> 00:28:00,456 keep everything lined up so that you've got reliable income. 638 00:28:00,456 --> 00:28:04,386 If I'm switching from eight weeks to 10 weeks to nine weeks, different 639 00:28:04,386 --> 00:28:08,016 strains every time, and I'm making constant sacrifices for my other 640 00:28:08,021 --> 00:28:09,696 plans, cuz I've got these finicky ones. 641 00:28:09,701 --> 00:28:12,876 Well, I'm leaving a lot on the table and I've gotta decide whether I want 642 00:28:12,881 --> 00:28:15,036 to, you know, focus on that one stream. 643 00:28:15,036 --> 00:28:17,916 That's really hard to grow because it doesn't play happy 644 00:28:17,916 --> 00:28:19,026 in the same room as the others. 645 00:28:20,001 --> 00:28:23,545 or throw that out and keep moving on, you know, there's a whole world of 646 00:28:23,545 --> 00:28:26,785 genetics out there and fortunately it just keeps getting better all the time. 647 00:28:26,905 --> 00:28:28,165 That's been my experience. 648 00:28:29,065 --> 00:28:29,425 yeah, 649 00:28:30,145 --> 00:28:34,105 Jason: kind of, I absolutely agree with you and it may not make that big, a 650 00:28:34,105 --> 00:28:38,125 difference between, you know, say a 4% and 6%, especially considering the time 651 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:41,615 spacing what it might make a difference on is how you can operate your facility. 652 00:28:41,675 --> 00:28:45,005 Do you have appropriate pump sizing that you can time these irrigations 653 00:28:45,010 --> 00:28:49,284 correctly you know, are your emitter sizes so that you can get those 654 00:28:49,284 --> 00:28:51,714 shots in there fast enough or slow? 655 00:28:52,324 --> 00:28:56,074 In order to, to hit the timing across all your rooms and then those sorts of things. 656 00:28:56,074 --> 00:29:01,264 So kind of probably more operationally focused than necessarily plant physiology 657 00:29:01,269 --> 00:29:02,464 when you're, when you're that close 658 00:29:02,464 --> 00:29:02,914 Seth Baumgartner: together. 659 00:29:03,514 --> 00:29:03,934 Oh yeah. 660 00:29:03,939 --> 00:29:06,694 Certainly at a big facility, you know, when we're talking about a pump that 661 00:29:06,694 --> 00:29:10,564 can only operate, let's say two zones at a time and I've got 20 in that room. 662 00:29:10,564 --> 00:29:12,004 I've gotta plan that into my planning. 663 00:29:12,214 --> 00:29:14,164 If it's not possible for me to start back. 664 00:29:14,814 --> 00:29:17,574 Inside of that time period, then obviously we're not gonna be able to do that. 665 00:29:17,574 --> 00:29:18,744 So we'll have to go to the six. 666 00:29:18,744 --> 00:29:20,964 And so the four sometimes you're absolutely right, Jason. 667 00:29:21,414 --> 00:29:21,684 Jason: Yeah. 668 00:29:21,684 --> 00:29:25,794 And if you, you know, if you're in a wonderful spot where you have 669 00:29:25,854 --> 00:29:30,455 the luxury to do whatever you want, keep track of your EC modulation. 670 00:29:30,515 --> 00:29:35,825 So look at that time series EC and decide is the 4% or the 6% achieving 671 00:29:35,825 --> 00:29:39,615 me a little bit better dynamics with my nutrient content in the substrate. 672 00:29:39,615 --> 00:29:40,395 Mm-hmm 673 00:29:42,005 --> 00:29:42,565 Kaisha: great. 674 00:29:43,155 --> 00:29:45,165 All right, keeping them moving. 675 00:29:45,765 --> 00:29:49,425 Our next question from Instagram comes from Sergio JN 12. 676 00:29:49,845 --> 00:29:52,905 They're looking for tips on growing in six by six rock wall. 677 00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:54,435 Any recommendations for that 678 00:29:57,285 --> 00:29:58,125 Jason: Chrome fast, 679 00:29:58,365 --> 00:29:59,145 Seth Baumgartner: keep 'em short. 680 00:29:59,745 --> 00:30:02,655 Do you know the people I know that are still trying to rock 681 00:30:02,655 --> 00:30:03,585 that in a commercial level? 682 00:30:03,585 --> 00:30:05,625 Some of 'em are getting back to like a seven to eight day 683 00:30:05,685 --> 00:30:07,425 edge, flipping them small. 684 00:30:07,425 --> 00:30:09,135 That way they can still finish the plant. 685 00:30:09,179 --> 00:30:12,461 My advice in that is, I, I really hope you didn't buy too many of those. 686 00:30:12,821 --> 00:30:16,371 And I would look at investing in a little bit different rockwool media 687 00:30:16,381 --> 00:30:18,241 slabs aren't the only solution. 688 00:30:18,631 --> 00:30:21,601 But one thing to think about is that six by six by six has, you 689 00:30:21,601 --> 00:30:23,821 know, only a six by six footprint. 690 00:30:23,821 --> 00:30:26,071 Most of our waters and the bottom two inches of that. 691 00:30:26,071 --> 00:30:28,381 That's why slabs are bigger on the bottom. 692 00:30:28,381 --> 00:30:29,821 And we have that small block on top. 693 00:30:30,451 --> 00:30:35,551 So realize the limits of your media size, I guess, would be the biggest tip. 694 00:30:36,301 --> 00:30:36,481 You know, 695 00:30:36,481 --> 00:30:40,403 Jason: if, if you've got like a two or three tier facility in each room 696 00:30:40,433 --> 00:30:44,963 where you don't have necessarily as much head space as possible, sometimes 697 00:30:45,113 --> 00:30:48,473 six by six, isn't a bad option, simply because you're gonna push more 698 00:30:48,473 --> 00:30:50,573 generatively throughout that plant cycle. 699 00:30:50,843 --> 00:30:55,642 And and try to optimize the shorter space that you have with the number of plants. 700 00:30:55,642 --> 00:30:59,122 Usually that means that yeah, shorter VE times. 701 00:30:59,182 --> 00:31:03,268 And definitely trying, trying, not run into a situation where you. 702 00:31:03,958 --> 00:31:07,055 Run generatively because you've run out of substrate capacity. 703 00:31:07,535 --> 00:31:07,775 Yeah. 704 00:31:07,835 --> 00:31:09,665 Seth Baumgartner: It's, it's important to know your facility and 705 00:31:09,665 --> 00:31:12,185 realize what you're actually gonna be able to accomplish in there. 706 00:31:12,185 --> 00:31:16,205 If before you were growing in three and a half gallon cocoa pots and 707 00:31:16,205 --> 00:31:19,475 growing five, six foot tall plants, and you want the same kind of plant 708 00:31:19,475 --> 00:31:24,577 density planting with Hugos the six by six by six S your strategy's 709 00:31:24,582 --> 00:31:25,787 gonna have to be vastly different. 710 00:31:26,057 --> 00:31:27,467 Everything's gonna change all at. 711 00:31:28,532 --> 00:31:31,202 and if you're not aware of those limitations that you put 712 00:31:31,202 --> 00:31:33,542 yourself into, you're gonna have a really rough first run. 713 00:31:33,572 --> 00:31:36,092 If you can look at it and look at some of the parameters Jason was 714 00:31:36,092 --> 00:31:40,472 talking about, like, instead of saying, how do I adapt this big or 715 00:31:40,477 --> 00:31:42,572 this rockwool block to my facility? 716 00:31:42,572 --> 00:31:45,812 It's more like, what's the optimum facility for this to be growing in. 717 00:31:45,992 --> 00:31:49,862 And is that me and yeah, for like a lot of double tiered customers, for sure. 718 00:31:50,612 --> 00:31:52,412 You know, if you're running double tier and you've got four and a 719 00:31:52,412 --> 00:31:56,027 half feet of overhead, well, yeah, you probably should be saving some 720 00:31:56,027 --> 00:31:57,347 money with your media, you know? 721 00:31:57,347 --> 00:31:59,357 And then beyond that, we'll start looking at like, all right. 722 00:31:59,357 --> 00:32:04,547 Plant counts and what, you know, state to state LA law, there's different 723 00:32:04,547 --> 00:32:08,507 facility designs that, you know, work better from a financial standpoint. 724 00:32:08,512 --> 00:32:12,387 Mm-hmm so it's yeah. 725 00:32:12,677 --> 00:32:13,877 There's no huge tips on that. 726 00:32:13,877 --> 00:32:17,357 Just know what you're doing know know you're growing in a small pot. 727 00:32:17,627 --> 00:32:18,227 There we go. 728 00:32:18,647 --> 00:32:18,977 That sounds 729 00:32:18,977 --> 00:32:20,147 Kaisha: like a pretty solid tip to. 730 00:32:20,987 --> 00:32:21,527 All right. 731 00:32:21,527 --> 00:32:23,237 I think we've got a question from YouTube. 732 00:32:23,237 --> 00:32:24,317 What's going on over there, Mandy? 733 00:32:24,384 --> 00:32:24,564 Hey 734 00:32:24,564 --> 00:32:25,104 Mandy: guys. 735 00:32:25,104 --> 00:32:27,234 Yeah, we did get another question over on YouTube. 736 00:32:27,272 --> 00:32:33,092 LBC two OKC wants to know, do nighttime temperature drops or increases have 737 00:32:33,092 --> 00:32:37,662 major effects on plant stretching during early flower generative stage. 738 00:32:37,662 --> 00:32:40,785 Jason: That's a great question is can be fairly extreme dependent. 739 00:32:40,785 --> 00:32:44,385 And how much of a nighttime temperature differential that you're pushing? 740 00:32:44,409 --> 00:32:47,856 Yeah, it, it probably is gonna have an effect on, on how much they're 741 00:32:47,856 --> 00:32:49,416 stretching or, or not stretching. 742 00:32:49,776 --> 00:32:50,076 Is it. 743 00:32:50,511 --> 00:32:52,161 The only thing that's gonna affect that. 744 00:32:52,221 --> 00:32:53,211 Absolutely not. 745 00:32:53,241 --> 00:32:56,271 You know, we're looking at nutrient contents, irrigation 746 00:32:56,301 --> 00:32:58,251 numbers, light intensities. 747 00:32:58,281 --> 00:33:00,871 Those are all factors that are gonna have a huge play. 748 00:33:00,893 --> 00:33:03,173 Are you ramping your temperature differential? 749 00:33:03,173 --> 00:33:06,953 Are you hitting it as a, you know, one set point to lower set 750 00:33:06,953 --> 00:33:11,870 point on a instantaneous, if you will transition, those are, those 751 00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:12,800 are all gonna come into play. 752 00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:19,790 so I wish I could give you the exact answer or tell you how much it plays 753 00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:23,450 a part, but that's, that's more variables than, than we can can deal 754 00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:23,630 Seth Baumgartner: with. 755 00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:24,410 Yeah. 756 00:33:24,410 --> 00:33:27,740 If, if everything else was given the same, we know that heat plays a 757 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:29,330 role in plant metabolism and growth. 758 00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:31,430 So if we're slowing it down for part of the day, we can 759 00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:33,920 expect to see growth slowed. 760 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,360 to me, the bigger question is why would I wanna slow that down? 761 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,320 Because if I've got my plant veg, if I've got my veg down, I'm coming in with the 762 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,790 appropriate plant size, I actually do want vigorous growth during that stretch. 763 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,610 But when I say vigorous growth, I'm growing vigorously toward the 764 00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:52,730 morphology that I want, that I desired. 765 00:33:52,735 --> 00:33:56,528 So, if we're feeling like, you know, our plants are coming in too big 766 00:33:56,528 --> 00:34:00,098 at the end of stretch, we really should be looking at our, how are 767 00:34:00,098 --> 00:34:01,388 we treating those in veg coming? 768 00:34:02,348 --> 00:34:03,278 , you know, what are we doing? 769 00:34:03,278 --> 00:34:05,978 And, and on that range, like that could go anywhere from like, are 770 00:34:05,978 --> 00:34:07,778 we low light intensity in veg? 771 00:34:07,778 --> 00:34:10,748 So we're stretching like crazy when we get in, you know, there's a lot 772 00:34:10,753 --> 00:34:14,108 of factors to look at there besides just that temperature differential. 773 00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:16,266 Overall though, that's why we don't recommend running much of 774 00:34:16,266 --> 00:34:17,436 a differential during stretch. 775 00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:20,916 You know, if you naturally have a couple degree swing, just because, 776 00:34:20,916 --> 00:34:23,916 Hey, the sun went down and I've got this retrofitted building. 777 00:34:23,916 --> 00:34:25,056 That's not freezer panels. 778 00:34:25,536 --> 00:34:26,076 Well, that's. 779 00:34:26,143 --> 00:34:28,087 Typically though we wanna see that fairly stable. 780 00:34:28,087 --> 00:34:31,537 And another part of that too, is, you know, during stretch, we 781 00:34:31,537 --> 00:34:35,199 also kind of wanna minimize that VPD ranging throughout the day. 782 00:34:35,204 --> 00:34:37,329 We want to keep that at a pretty steady rate. 783 00:34:37,689 --> 00:34:39,699 That way our drive backs are predictable. 784 00:34:39,759 --> 00:34:43,149 You know, cuz at first during stretch, they're gonna be, it's gonna be hard to 785 00:34:43,149 --> 00:34:45,789 get that huge drive back by week three. 786 00:34:45,999 --> 00:34:48,549 Sometimes we might be hitting that point where we're putting a maintenance shot on. 787 00:34:48,549 --> 00:34:51,939 So we want a really predictable environment because if we can get 788 00:34:51,939 --> 00:34:53,619 through that first stretch, maintaining. 789 00:34:54,669 --> 00:34:57,649 Not having to necessarily put on maintenance shots. 790 00:34:57,649 --> 00:35:01,615 We can really push it generatively and then also nail that transition into veg 791 00:35:02,035 --> 00:35:03,835 and set ourselves up for success there. 792 00:35:05,065 --> 00:35:05,245 Jason: Yeah. 793 00:35:05,245 --> 00:35:07,795 That's, that's a really good point that you have about the, the 794 00:35:07,795 --> 00:35:12,445 plant metabolism and using other factor variables to, to hit that. 795 00:35:12,445 --> 00:35:15,169 Because definitely when we're in that stage of plant life, 796 00:35:15,174 --> 00:35:18,739 we want to be creating as much sugars and energy for storage. 797 00:35:19,464 --> 00:35:21,904 In that plant as we possibly can, as fast as we can. 798 00:35:22,204 --> 00:35:26,565 And if there's something that we can do to minimize our internet spacing 799 00:35:26,608 --> 00:35:30,328 without modifying the temperature, that's probably a better course of action. 800 00:35:32,728 --> 00:35:33,058 Mandy: Awesome. 801 00:35:33,718 --> 00:35:33,898 Yeah. 802 00:35:33,898 --> 00:35:36,478 You'll have to let us know if you have any follow ups to that question. 803 00:35:36,478 --> 00:35:38,411 We got a couple others around you too. 804 00:35:38,441 --> 00:35:39,461 Marlon wants to know. 805 00:35:39,461 --> 00:35:41,741 Can you guys talk about PGRs 806 00:35:44,081 --> 00:35:45,641 Seth Baumgartner: plant growth regulators. 807 00:35:45,641 --> 00:35:46,241 So. 808 00:35:47,051 --> 00:35:48,821 They're becoming more and more of a hot topic. 809 00:35:48,971 --> 00:35:53,381 They're I don't know about the legality of using all of them on different 810 00:35:53,381 --> 00:35:55,451 cannabis crops in the us personally. 811 00:35:55,991 --> 00:36:01,064 I don't really advocate for 'em mostly because it's just another 812 00:36:01,064 --> 00:36:02,204 thing to spray on your plants. 813 00:36:02,744 --> 00:36:06,224 you know, we've got another humidity issue and if you're at all familiar 814 00:36:06,244 --> 00:36:09,434 with actually using PGS to manipulate plant growth, I would highly 815 00:36:09,434 --> 00:36:10,814 suggest you start doing tissue. 816 00:36:11,714 --> 00:36:13,874 And start there and see what kind of effects you have. 817 00:36:13,874 --> 00:36:17,528 You know, if I take a spray that is the wrong ratio of oxen to cytokinin 818 00:36:18,158 --> 00:36:20,888 or has jasmonic acid, I mean, we can go down the line of all these 819 00:36:20,888 --> 00:36:24,008 different PGR compounds that act as PGS. 820 00:36:24,758 --> 00:36:27,788 But I would say that if you're inexperienced, it's a really good 821 00:36:27,788 --> 00:36:29,618 way to ruin a crop right off the top. 822 00:36:29,623 --> 00:36:33,708 And I personally going out there haven't seen the greatest results using them. 823 00:36:33,724 --> 00:36:36,514 And by ruin, I'm saying you could spray a plant and suddenly. 824 00:36:37,309 --> 00:36:40,789 Trying to get this plant, you know, closer to ripening or to pack on buds size. 825 00:36:40,789 --> 00:36:45,589 Well, if my ratios off, I might just foxtail it out, might blow that nugget up. 826 00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:46,999 It might overdrive it in growth. 827 00:36:46,999 --> 00:36:51,250 I mean, here's a good thing to remember if we're gonna talk about PGS two 40 D 828 00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:55,540 one of the most popular herbicides of all time is a plant growth regulator that 829 00:36:55,540 --> 00:36:57,370 causes plants to grow itself to death. 830 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,160 So , it's a dangerous game. 831 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,650 And personally, I don't think it's one that cannabis producers 832 00:37:02,650 --> 00:37:03,730 need to be playing right now. 833 00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:05,080 If you think that's what you need. 834 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:10,360 I guess you've realized that you can't afford to put the money into your facility 835 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,540 and acquire the genetics that you actually need to make your business successful. 836 00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:17,320 Jason: That's what that's, what I was gonna go with is, is maybe try 837 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,560 and source some better genetics that you don't need to, to modify. 838 00:37:22,270 --> 00:37:22,940 Awesome. 839 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:23,350 You'll 840 00:37:23,355 --> 00:37:25,990 Mandy: have to let us know Marlin, if you have any follow up questions with that. 841 00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:27,590 We got another question over on YouTube. 842 00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:31,970 The oil farmer's wife wants to know what's the ideal height at the end of stretch. 843 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,240 Seth Baumgartner: What strain are we talking about? 844 00:37:35,245 --> 00:37:35,510 Yeah. 845 00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:38,330 Jason: How much height are you trying to get into power? 846 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,040 Seth Baumgartner: How high are your lights off the bench? 847 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:41,630 I wanna put it right there. 848 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,060 I'm gonna say, depending on your light, about 12 to 18 inches below the light 849 00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:50,480 , but that even that range is a bunch. 850 00:37:50,555 --> 00:37:52,415 No, there is no ideal hype for stretch. 851 00:37:52,415 --> 00:37:55,685 And that's why, you know, we keep talking about a lot of these crop steering tools 852 00:37:55,685 --> 00:37:59,975 being something just that a tool that you as an operator need to know how to use. 853 00:38:00,650 --> 00:38:05,324 There is no it's the old saying there's a thousand ways to skin a cat and while 854 00:38:05,324 --> 00:38:07,814 that's not a hundred percent true, there are a lot of ways to do this. 855 00:38:07,814 --> 00:38:09,974 Just like we talked depending on your state by state place. 856 00:38:09,974 --> 00:38:12,434 If I have square footage, my strategy's gonna be different than if it's 857 00:38:12,434 --> 00:38:13,784 plant count in a given building. 858 00:38:14,924 --> 00:38:19,244 You know, there's a lot of aspects to look at, but again, they are tools and we wanna 859 00:38:19,904 --> 00:38:22,694 dial all of our actions to the strain. 860 00:38:22,694 --> 00:38:25,454 That's, that's the whole point in driving, you know, these really 861 00:38:25,454 --> 00:38:26,954 complicated, expensive growing. 862 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:31,259 If we didn't need that, we wouldn't, if all you needed was a hoop house 863 00:38:31,259 --> 00:38:35,129 out in the back to produce quality cannabis, mm-hmm , everyone would be 864 00:38:35,129 --> 00:38:38,489 doing it, but it turns out it takes more input and it doesn't have to be indoor 865 00:38:38,609 --> 00:38:41,699 necessarily that, you know, I don't wanna offend our outdoor growers out there, 866 00:38:41,699 --> 00:38:45,119 but everyone knows it's a lot harder than just throwing some seeds on the 867 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,619 ground and coming back in a few months. 868 00:38:46,619 --> 00:38:46,679 Yeah. 869 00:38:47,489 --> 00:38:48,839 And it's always gonna be that way. 870 00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:50,639 Jason: Yeah. 871 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:51,089 And. 872 00:38:51,764 --> 00:38:55,214 The reality is, is these are tools that you wanna learn how to use. 873 00:38:55,217 --> 00:38:59,189 Our industry is obviously getting into a very wide genetic range 874 00:38:59,459 --> 00:39:01,919 and what is popular for genetic? 875 00:39:01,966 --> 00:39:06,591 As far as shelf product goes changes month to month mm-hmm . We can see 876 00:39:06,621 --> 00:39:11,128 massive swings in preferences on the on the consumer side of this. 877 00:39:11,128 --> 00:39:15,593 And so if you learn how to use those tools, They put yourself in a much more 878 00:39:15,593 --> 00:39:20,153 competitive position for the future, because you're, you're able to maybe 879 00:39:20,153 --> 00:39:24,263 run strains that have a big difference in them, in different rooms, you know, 880 00:39:24,263 --> 00:39:28,443 and optimize for each of those that you have better purchasing power or better 881 00:39:28,443 --> 00:39:30,436 selling power to, to the shelving. 882 00:39:30,441 --> 00:39:33,466 You know, obviously if you're just running everything, that's middle of 883 00:39:33,526 --> 00:39:37,876 the line, there's less chance that you're gonna have a wide consumer basis. 884 00:39:39,006 --> 00:39:39,216 Seth Baumgartner: Yeah. 885 00:39:39,216 --> 00:39:41,226 And you know, one thing I like to always remember is a lot of 886 00:39:41,226 --> 00:39:44,616 these, these tools were developed not necessarily just for cannabis. 887 00:39:44,616 --> 00:39:46,866 They came from industries where people were focused on 888 00:39:46,866 --> 00:39:48,336 a much smaller profit margin. 889 00:39:48,876 --> 00:39:53,042 So if we look at, you know, horticulture as a whole more and more just 890 00:39:53,042 --> 00:39:55,922 knowing these types of skills as necessary to survive in the workplace 891 00:39:55,922 --> 00:39:57,752 and be, you know, a competitive. 892 00:39:57,822 --> 00:40:01,330 It's, it's just kind of the nature of our world becoming more efficient and 893 00:40:01,330 --> 00:40:04,810 utilizing technology to do all of our jobs a little better all the time. 894 00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:05,590 It's about the bigger 895 00:40:05,590 --> 00:40:06,040 Kaisha: picture. 896 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,240 Mm-hmm it's 897 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:07,750 Mandy: so true. 898 00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:08,513 It's so true. 899 00:40:08,518 --> 00:40:10,948 The oil farmer's wife wanted to say, thank you. 900 00:40:10,953 --> 00:40:11,668 Got it. 901 00:40:11,728 --> 00:40:12,578 Awesome answer. 902 00:40:12,578 --> 00:40:14,705 We did get a couple more questions in that time. 903 00:40:14,825 --> 00:40:18,635 Marlon wants to know ETA on Aurea for the home and small facility 904 00:40:18,635 --> 00:40:20,375 growers, anything in the works. 905 00:40:22,145 --> 00:40:23,195 Jason: It is in the works. 906 00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:23,858 Absolute ETA. 907 00:40:24,608 --> 00:40:28,238 I'm not comfortable putting it out there at this point in the stage of the. 908 00:40:28,808 --> 00:40:29,348 Top secret. 909 00:40:29,348 --> 00:40:29,798 Mandy: You guys. 910 00:40:29,798 --> 00:40:30,038 Sorry. 911 00:40:30,038 --> 00:40:30,128 You're 912 00:40:30,128 --> 00:40:30,878 Seth Baumgartner: gonna have to check back. 913 00:40:30,878 --> 00:40:33,758 Yeah, I'll tell you'all there's there's too many home growers out there. 914 00:40:33,938 --> 00:40:34,598 We're scared. 915 00:40:36,698 --> 00:40:37,198 Kaisha: can you 916 00:40:37,198 --> 00:40:40,118 Seth Baumgartner: imagine I'm one of 'em we, we don't want the launch to be kind 917 00:40:40,118 --> 00:40:43,388 of like, you know, all the, like, what was it like the Bronco and all the new 918 00:40:43,388 --> 00:40:47,648 cars that come out or like the Tesla track you sign up and years later, you know, 919 00:40:47,708 --> 00:40:49,418 we're trying to avoid that kind of thing. 920 00:40:49,418 --> 00:40:54,318 Cuz I think if we open that can of worms, our order list would be so long that we. 921 00:40:54,703 --> 00:40:57,103 Just kind of quit and go do something else. 922 00:40:57,103 --> 00:40:57,943 Cause it's overwhelming. 923 00:40:58,003 --> 00:40:58,183 Yeah. 924 00:40:58,183 --> 00:40:58,303 We 925 00:40:58,303 --> 00:40:59,503 Kaisha: wanna dial in it and get it right. 926 00:40:59,803 --> 00:40:59,953 Yeah. 927 00:40:59,953 --> 00:41:00,673 Get it right for y'all 928 00:41:01,603 --> 00:41:01,993 Jason: awesome. 929 00:41:01,993 --> 00:41:02,083 Love. 930 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:06,622 It's just it's kinda like the, the markets you, when we look at California 931 00:41:06,678 --> 00:41:11,389 market oversaturated really fast the, the growers could over keep up with it. 932 00:41:11,402 --> 00:41:15,932 Places like maybe on the east coast, they were much more limited and people. 933 00:41:16,632 --> 00:41:19,122 Couldn't get products for, for a long, long time. 934 00:41:19,125 --> 00:41:20,538 You know, shelves were, were empty. 935 00:41:20,568 --> 00:41:23,491 Places would blow out every time that they got restocked. 936 00:41:23,514 --> 00:41:26,934 So yeah, we wanna take more like the Washington approach where it's a fairly 937 00:41:27,444 --> 00:41:32,244 steady launch and release and, and we can provide a great experience for 938 00:41:32,334 --> 00:41:34,554 anyone in that that projectable timeline. 939 00:41:35,874 --> 00:41:36,354 Mandy: Awesome. 940 00:41:36,354 --> 00:41:37,704 Thank you for that Marlin. 941 00:41:37,704 --> 00:41:39,204 And then Hoffman's choice wants. 942 00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:43,899 do you have any general guidelines for sensor height in a grow medium? 943 00:41:43,934 --> 00:41:45,806 I'm running two gallon at the moment. 944 00:41:48,386 --> 00:41:50,726 Jason: Two gallon, I think for sensor height. 945 00:41:50,726 --> 00:41:52,436 We're at one and a quarter as well. 946 00:41:52,441 --> 00:41:53,416 Yeah, exactly. 947 00:41:53,756 --> 00:41:55,376 Or is that the, the one gallon? 948 00:41:55,796 --> 00:41:56,846 Seth Baumgartner: That's one to two gallon. 949 00:41:56,996 --> 00:41:57,596 One to two gallon? 950 00:41:57,626 --> 00:41:57,866 Yeah. 951 00:41:57,926 --> 00:41:58,256 Okay. 952 00:41:58,286 --> 00:41:59,036 Blocks and bags. 953 00:41:59,041 --> 00:42:01,346 And then when we go to like a three to five, we'll scoot it up 954 00:42:01,346 --> 00:42:05,167 and, you know, probably one of the biggest keys there is use that tool. 955 00:42:05,227 --> 00:42:06,117 So you're co. 956 00:42:06,657 --> 00:42:10,597 mm-hmm I mean, in, in realistically, I could scoot that sensor up or down 957 00:42:10,717 --> 00:42:12,187 and I'm gonna get a different reading. 958 00:42:12,217 --> 00:42:15,667 But what I want is to compare the same reading between two plants. 959 00:42:15,667 --> 00:42:17,977 If I'm taking two different data points, I can't compare 'em. 960 00:42:18,997 --> 00:42:22,567 So you know that sensor's gonna give you a really accurate measurement. 961 00:42:22,567 --> 00:42:26,437 And remember that just a little bit up and down is not gonna affect. 962 00:42:28,072 --> 00:42:31,672 Oh, saw a really good definition or really good explanation. 963 00:42:31,672 --> 00:42:34,192 The other day of the difference between precision and accuracy. 964 00:42:34,342 --> 00:42:36,532 Mm-hmm but we wanna be precise and accurate. 965 00:42:37,012 --> 00:42:37,252 Yeah. 966 00:42:37,372 --> 00:42:38,032 Jason: Precisions. 967 00:42:38,182 --> 00:42:39,982 How close are our readings to each other? 968 00:42:39,982 --> 00:42:40,372 Exactly. 969 00:42:40,372 --> 00:42:44,315 Accuracy is how close are those readings to the actual reading, right? 970 00:42:44,386 --> 00:42:48,916 And, you know, one thing that if you want to check on how well you're doing with 971 00:42:48,916 --> 00:42:53,930 that installation, you can always run a, a manual water content test as well. 972 00:42:53,972 --> 00:42:57,525 I know, I think a while ago, Ramsey did a video telling you how to, 973 00:42:57,555 --> 00:43:02,325 you know, measure the weight of dry substrate, measure it at saturation 974 00:43:02,595 --> 00:43:04,695 and have your sensor in that place. 975 00:43:04,695 --> 00:43:08,135 And does that that weight match what the water content says. 976 00:43:08,705 --> 00:43:09,335 From the sensor. 977 00:43:09,335 --> 00:43:10,415 So that's, that's a great way. 978 00:43:10,415 --> 00:43:13,445 If you are changing media types, mm-hmm, get used to that. 979 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,062 And you're sure you're, you're welcome to modify those Heights a little bit. 980 00:43:17,272 --> 00:43:20,392 We've tested them with, with quite a few medias, and that's why we do 981 00:43:20,392 --> 00:43:23,452 send out that installation template tools just to kind of help the 982 00:43:23,452 --> 00:43:25,532 clients unify across the industry. 983 00:43:25,532 --> 00:43:29,940 The volume of influence is basically the amount of volume that, that sensor. 984 00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:34,560 Is taking a measurement for and on the tariffs, 12 it's about one liter. 985 00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:37,277 And so, you know, that, that one leader we're trying to take a 986 00:43:37,277 --> 00:43:40,367 sample that represents as much of the substrate as possible. 987 00:43:41,207 --> 00:43:41,447 Mm-hmm 988 00:43:43,637 --> 00:43:44,177 Kaisha: cool. 989 00:43:44,182 --> 00:43:46,277 Thank you so much to our YouTube folks. 990 00:43:46,277 --> 00:43:47,447 Keep those questions coming. 991 00:43:47,447 --> 00:43:49,427 We're gonna move on to our Hangouts chat here. 992 00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:50,897 Johnny asked a couple questions. 993 00:43:50,897 --> 00:43:51,587 First one, here. 994 00:43:51,767 --> 00:43:54,857 He would love to know any, we would love to hear any irrigation 995 00:43:54,857 --> 00:43:57,047 strategies for tips on maximizing ter. 996 00:43:57,512 --> 00:43:59,102 It's that's there. 997 00:44:00,152 --> 00:44:00,422 Jason: Yeah. 998 00:44:00,422 --> 00:44:04,112 So, you know, when we approach crop steering, it's a balance. 999 00:44:04,162 --> 00:44:06,260 How much product and how quality a product. 1000 00:44:06,350 --> 00:44:09,950 Yes, you can absolutely get both, but it takes the perfect crop 1001 00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:13,770 steering to, to optimize both of those together at the same time. 1002 00:44:13,799 --> 00:44:17,999 So yeah, irrigation strategies would be documenting how you 1003 00:44:17,999 --> 00:44:19,229 crop steered for that run. 1004 00:44:19,259 --> 00:44:24,144 What were the documented test results for terpene profiles on it and, you 1005 00:44:24,144 --> 00:44:28,734 know, start making one modification as time for that strain specifically. 1006 00:44:28,758 --> 00:44:31,038 . Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, I've got a pretty direct one, honestly. 1007 00:44:31,138 --> 00:44:33,718 If we're looking at maximizing terpenes and we still wanna be 1008 00:44:33,718 --> 00:44:36,178 crop steering, there's a really important thing to remember. 1009 00:44:37,168 --> 00:44:41,518 A lot of people are coming out of, you know, gray market, home and medical 1010 00:44:41,518 --> 00:44:45,034 growing, having run an extremely generative steering strategy all 1011 00:44:45,034 --> 00:44:47,434 the way through, you know, back in the days of using, say a five gallon 1012 00:44:47,434 --> 00:44:51,484 pot I'm watering once a day, maybe once every other day that's pushing 1013 00:44:51,484 --> 00:44:52,864 that as generative as possible. 1014 00:44:52,864 --> 00:44:54,244 So when we're looking at using crop. 1015 00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:56,539 To maximize terpenes. 1016 00:44:56,626 --> 00:44:59,236 We gotta look at, okay, how much do we want to bulk this out? 1017 00:44:59,236 --> 00:45:03,226 And when are we willing to pull back from bulking into a generative steer? 1018 00:45:03,226 --> 00:45:06,376 So if mm-hmm, and, and it's, again, gonna be strain dependent, some 1019 00:45:06,376 --> 00:45:09,676 strains are gonna do great running a vegetative steer right up till 1020 00:45:09,916 --> 00:45:11,326 have only one week of ripening. 1021 00:45:11,326 --> 00:45:15,059 Let's say, you know, but some of 'em I've found kind of want to start pulling 1022 00:45:15,059 --> 00:45:19,559 back that ripening at maybe three weeks in and start really focusing on that. 1023 00:45:19,619 --> 00:45:19,979 And. 1024 00:45:20,684 --> 00:45:23,594 You know, just start to, like Jason said, document it, figure 1025 00:45:23,594 --> 00:45:27,134 out how those, you know, different irrigation strategies affected that. 1026 00:45:27,134 --> 00:45:30,194 And then also look at your other, your other variables. 1027 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:33,794 You know, once you've got everything down to a streamline process where you're 1028 00:45:33,799 --> 00:45:35,384 like, Hey, this is what works for me. 1029 00:45:35,714 --> 00:45:41,144 The only thing I'm changing is my settings on when I'm watering really document 1030 00:45:41,144 --> 00:45:43,844 that, cuz it's gonna, like I said, it's just really gonna range on screens. 1031 00:45:44,084 --> 00:45:47,804 And the one thing we do know is that generative stress is how we. 1032 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,199 really bulk up, not so much flower production, but reproductive production. 1033 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:56,489 So those, you know, terpenes, cannabinoids, that's how we really 1034 00:45:56,489 --> 00:46:00,839 mature those resin glands mm-hmm and being patient, you know, 1035 00:46:00,929 --> 00:46:03,119 some plants it's a 10 week plant. 1036 00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:03,989 It's a 10 week plant. 1037 00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:06,479 You're never gonna harvest it in 56 days and have the same 1038 00:46:06,484 --> 00:46:08,219 quality, no matter what you do. 1039 00:46:10,469 --> 00:46:10,919 Kaisha: Awesome. 1040 00:46:10,949 --> 00:46:11,969 I love that question. 1041 00:46:12,209 --> 00:46:12,629 Okay. 1042 00:46:12,629 --> 00:46:14,361 And then Johnny has a second question here. 1043 00:46:14,361 --> 00:46:17,049 Is there an optimal number of plants per sensor? 1044 00:46:18,999 --> 00:46:19,389 Seth Baumgartner: our 1045 00:46:19,569 --> 00:46:23,209 Jason: recommendation is, is one sensor per a hundred square foot of canopy. 1046 00:46:23,245 --> 00:46:26,499 Basically what we're doing there is just trying to optimize the cost 1047 00:46:26,499 --> 00:46:31,359 of installation and getting enough sensors in there for quality sampling. 1048 00:46:31,379 --> 00:46:33,788 I, I did a, a growth behavior video. 1049 00:46:33,788 --> 00:46:34,958 I think it's up on our YouTube. 1050 00:46:35,843 --> 00:46:40,373 I think about a year ago now, and it's kind of just talking about 1051 00:46:40,373 --> 00:46:42,383 the statistics of, of population. 1052 00:46:42,473 --> 00:46:46,223 And that's why we go with that one per hundred square foot, just 1053 00:46:46,223 --> 00:46:51,873 to minimize the costs upfront, to getting installed, but maximizing the 1054 00:46:51,942 --> 00:46:56,500 reliability of that data, the chance that all of your crop is is doing well. 1055 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,240 So obviously if we're crop steering, we typically get a crop steer on. 1056 00:47:01,645 --> 00:47:05,095 We wanna do it on the average, across all of those sensors. 1057 00:47:05,095 --> 00:47:09,355 If we have a very wide average, we're gonna see a very wide result, it's 1058 00:47:09,355 --> 00:47:10,675 gonna be quite a bit more varied. 1059 00:47:10,765 --> 00:47:14,474 So, also kind of one of the strategies when someone starts using a ROI 1060 00:47:14,534 --> 00:47:19,004 is focus first on the consistency of your plants and then focus on 1061 00:47:19,004 --> 00:47:20,739 your, your modulating, your goals. 1062 00:47:21,879 --> 00:47:22,089 Seth Baumgartner: Yep. 1063 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:23,049 That's what I was gonna touch on. 1064 00:47:23,049 --> 00:47:23,499 Jason. 1065 00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:25,827 I would say, show me a picture of your table and let's see how. 1066 00:47:26,502 --> 00:47:28,122 Variation we've got in your plants. 1067 00:47:28,122 --> 00:47:32,412 If you've got ver you know, if one plant harvests out at 900 grams wet and the one 1068 00:47:32,412 --> 00:47:36,374 next to it's hitting four 50 or five we, we gotta work on that consistency before 1069 00:47:36,374 --> 00:47:40,364 we can even really crop steer within that zone, because if that's at that point, you 1070 00:47:40,364 --> 00:47:44,414 know, if we stick the most average plant, we can assume if we got a hundred plants, 1071 00:47:44,414 --> 00:47:46,634 48 or above and 49 or below, right. 1072 00:47:47,759 --> 00:47:48,149 Or 50? 1073 00:47:48,149 --> 00:47:50,429 Yeah, 48, 50 52 52. 1074 00:47:50,429 --> 00:47:50,939 Yeah, whatever. 1075 00:47:51,479 --> 00:47:53,099 , we're gonna be slightly above and slightly below. 1076 00:47:53,099 --> 00:47:54,539 The best we can hope for is an average. 1077 00:47:54,539 --> 00:47:58,739 So we've gotta make that average range, that standard deviation from what we 1078 00:47:58,739 --> 00:48:00,929 want to be perfect as small as possible. 1079 00:48:01,019 --> 00:48:02,039 Mm-hmm yeah. 1080 00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:07,107 Jason: I was, I was stunned by the number of clients that I worked with, especially 1081 00:48:07,107 --> 00:48:11,321 early on that had been talking about their experience with much, much more 1082 00:48:11,321 --> 00:48:15,801 expensive water content EC sensor that was available in the market before AROYA. 1083 00:48:16,181 --> 00:48:19,571 And they would say, Hey, the, the plant that I had the 1084 00:48:19,571 --> 00:48:20,831 sensor in, in that one room. 1085 00:48:21,161 --> 00:48:23,711 Or the cuz they'd have like one sensor in a room and they'd 1086 00:48:23,711 --> 00:48:25,271 be like that plant grew well. 1087 00:48:25,361 --> 00:48:28,121 And the rest of the, the room didn't do well. 1088 00:48:28,391 --> 00:48:31,748 So, that was obviously a great way for them to learn about 1089 00:48:32,048 --> 00:48:34,028 uniformity versus consistency. 1090 00:48:34,168 --> 00:48:35,228 Mm-hmm mm-hmm 1091 00:48:35,708 --> 00:48:39,248 Seth Baumgartner: and really, you know, I mean, I always say at horticultures, 1092 00:48:39,248 --> 00:48:42,818 an art and a science, and you're not really an Artis so much as an artisan, 1093 00:48:43,088 --> 00:48:46,928 you need to be able to make produce quality work repeatedly every time when 1094 00:48:46,928 --> 00:48:49,238 we're talking about cloning vegging. 1095 00:48:49,688 --> 00:48:52,928 So yes, there's art, but that skill level's very, very important 1096 00:48:52,933 --> 00:48:54,398 in maintaining consistency. 1097 00:48:54,428 --> 00:48:59,258 You know, the technology helps us increase that consistency, but if we're 1098 00:48:59,258 --> 00:49:03,724 not willing to put in the work and have quality work at every stage, then. 1099 00:49:04,459 --> 00:49:06,019 The technology's not gonna help you either. 1100 00:49:06,169 --> 00:49:07,459 You've gotta actually be able to act on 1101 00:49:07,459 --> 00:49:07,519 Jason: it. 1102 00:49:07,969 --> 00:49:09,641 That's that's very well said. 1103 00:49:09,683 --> 00:49:12,713 I mean, if I was a painter and I had really good paint brushes sometimes, 1104 00:49:12,718 --> 00:49:16,826 and really poor paint brushes, sometimes I might not always be as as 1105 00:49:16,826 --> 00:49:20,469 good as my skills or if you know, I have different levels of clay and I've 1106 00:49:20,474 --> 00:49:26,987 been firing coffee mugs and pots and plant then obviously some clay would 1107 00:49:26,987 --> 00:49:27,377 Seth Baumgartner: crack. 1108 00:49:27,467 --> 00:49:28,427 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1109 00:49:28,427 --> 00:49:32,477 That's part of your, part of your art is making sure that, you know, if you're 1110 00:49:32,477 --> 00:49:35,627 really approaching it with a passion, you're trying to do it at the best level. 1111 00:49:35,927 --> 00:49:40,727 You can at every stage of production mm-hmm , but we also gotta make money. 1112 00:49:40,757 --> 00:49:44,927 So , we all end up making, you know, some little compromises here and there 1113 00:49:44,927 --> 00:49:46,577 and that's just farming, getting that 1114 00:49:46,577 --> 00:49:47,297 Jason: balance in. 1115 00:49:48,667 --> 00:49:49,557 It's just farming. 1116 00:49:50,117 --> 00:49:50,997 Seth Baumgartner: it's just farming. 1117 00:49:52,067 --> 00:49:52,727 Hey, at least we don't. 1118 00:49:52,727 --> 00:49:53,417 Well, nevermind. 1119 00:49:53,417 --> 00:49:55,607 I was about to say something about diesel, but some people have to pay 1120 00:49:55,607 --> 00:49:56,927 for that too in the campus industry. 1121 00:49:56,927 --> 00:49:57,137 So. 1122 00:49:58,997 --> 00:49:59,087 All 1123 00:49:59,087 --> 00:50:00,587 Kaisha: right, Mandy, I think we have a YouTube. 1124 00:50:01,097 --> 00:50:01,817 Yeah, we did have a 1125 00:50:01,817 --> 00:50:03,439 Mandy: couple more comments come over on YouTube. 1126 00:50:03,439 --> 00:50:04,159 Hoffman's choice. 1127 00:50:04,164 --> 00:50:05,539 Wanted to say the tool has been great. 1128 00:50:05,539 --> 00:50:06,379 Thanks team. 1129 00:50:06,379 --> 00:50:06,889 Awesome. 1130 00:50:06,894 --> 00:50:07,649 Thank you so much. 1131 00:50:07,879 --> 00:50:10,459 And then Casey wants to know this is a fun one. 1132 00:50:10,759 --> 00:50:14,604 What's the backstory on AROYA and Ramsey with our company and they love the 1133 00:50:14,604 --> 00:50:14,994 Jason: Soli. 1134 00:50:17,604 --> 00:50:17,994 sure. 1135 00:50:18,094 --> 00:50:23,983 So if we go way, way back think Ramsey actually purchased one of the largest 1136 00:50:23,983 --> 00:50:25,693 systems that we'd done at the time. 1137 00:50:25,699 --> 00:50:29,266 Back when I was out doing research on getting the product out there. 1138 00:50:29,266 --> 00:50:34,091 So we had some, some prototype equipment for aro and, and Ramsey ended up being 1139 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,210 you know, a big purchasing factor at the company he was working with. 1140 00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:39,744 And Did some awesome things with the product. 1141 00:50:39,744 --> 00:50:44,089 And so, you know, after I think his interest was in, you know, really in 1142 00:50:44,149 --> 00:50:47,419 applying some of the technology that he was learning about his background 1143 00:50:47,419 --> 00:50:52,035 with crop steering and, and substrate information just simple love for 1144 00:50:52,155 --> 00:50:54,200 plant physiology brought him to us. 1145 00:50:54,205 --> 00:50:55,990 And so we connected up and. 1146 00:50:56,780 --> 00:51:00,530 Can only say, you know, the best things about our relationship with Ramsey still 1147 00:51:00,535 --> 00:51:02,330 works with us on our advisory board. 1148 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,330 I like just calling him up to talk with the guy and see how his tomatoes 1149 00:51:05,330 --> 00:51:07,100 are doing and his family and his kids. 1150 00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:11,455 So, now that's the backstory is we gained a ton of ton of knowledge. 1151 00:51:11,587 --> 00:51:14,497 I have to credit Ramsey with quite a bit about what I know. 1152 00:51:15,157 --> 00:51:16,237 When it comes to crop steering. 1153 00:51:16,597 --> 00:51:19,323 And so yeah, we, I miss him. 1154 00:51:19,563 --> 00:51:22,533 We miss him, but we're, we're, you know, we're happy to meet with him pretty 1155 00:51:22,533 --> 00:51:25,383 regularly as a, as an advisor for, 1156 00:51:25,473 --> 00:51:26,253 Seth Baumgartner: for our products. 1157 00:51:26,823 --> 00:51:27,783 Kaisha: I know I'm dying to meet him. 1158 00:51:27,788 --> 00:51:28,373 I haven't met him yet. 1159 00:51:29,343 --> 00:51:30,783 Yeah, same, but I learned 1160 00:51:30,783 --> 00:51:31,773 Mandy: so much through its videos. 1161 00:51:32,103 --> 00:51:35,823 You guys can find all those over on aur.io or on our YouTube channel. 1162 00:51:36,003 --> 00:51:36,963 But yeah, that's the final 1163 00:51:36,963 --> 00:51:38,103 Kaisha: question over on YouTube. 1164 00:51:38,193 --> 00:51:38,883 All right. 1165 00:51:39,033 --> 00:51:42,603 Well, in these last few minutes, I think we'll go with Daniel's question last year. 1166 00:51:42,603 --> 00:51:46,473 Daniel wants to know when trying out cocoa in a room instead of slabs, 1167 00:51:46,713 --> 00:51:51,843 which pot size or pot style and cocoa will give me dry back, similar to S. 1168 00:51:51,977 --> 00:51:54,437 Jason: Just do some volume calculations. 1169 00:51:54,503 --> 00:51:59,293 You know, if we wanna say, yeah, similar drive backs, we're probably 1170 00:51:59,298 --> 00:52:03,219 gonna look at, you know, water content times volume itself. 1171 00:52:03,579 --> 00:52:07,869 So if you were doing four by four S on a slab, just add up the four 1172 00:52:07,869 --> 00:52:10,899 by four S and the slab divided by the number of plants that you. 1173 00:52:10,911 --> 00:52:16,205 Time's that by your water content and then do the same thing for, for your Coco bags. 1174 00:52:16,217 --> 00:52:19,415 And I, I don't know exactly what it works out too off 1175 00:52:19,415 --> 00:52:20,855 Seth Baumgartner: the top of my head for, for most people that aren't 1176 00:52:20,855 --> 00:52:24,125 double stacked, either one and a half or two gallon it's strain dependent. 1177 00:52:24,125 --> 00:52:27,245 And some of the people I find having the most success with Coco that. 1178 00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:30,100 If you looked at their charts, you might guess it was rockwool. 1179 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,010 Typically. 1180 00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:32,570 That's what they do for their bigger strains. 1181 00:52:32,570 --> 00:52:35,150 They've got a two gallon pot that they pick a brand. 1182 00:52:35,269 --> 00:52:37,699 I try to be brand agnostic, but there are several brands out there 1183 00:52:37,699 --> 00:52:42,439 that will hit, you know, that 55 to 65% volumetric water content. 1184 00:52:42,464 --> 00:52:43,544 That's really what you gotta look for. 1185 00:52:43,919 --> 00:52:45,389 Just make sure that that matches up. 1186 00:52:45,389 --> 00:52:48,329 If that's, if that's what you're trying to run is rockwool, like 1187 00:52:48,359 --> 00:52:49,949 volumetric water, content numbers. 1188 00:52:49,949 --> 00:52:53,789 That's where you start is making sure you can hit that same field capacity. 1189 00:52:54,209 --> 00:52:56,969 And then as Jason said, make sure you've got the appropriate volume. 1190 00:52:56,969 --> 00:53:00,269 Now, when you go out in the world and actually try to translate 1191 00:53:00,269 --> 00:53:03,719 that there's so many options that you're gonna get kind of close. 1192 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,233 And then we talk about, you know, well, if the company is Canadian a gallon's 1193 00:53:08,233 --> 00:53:12,493 a little closer to four liters or more, and , if they're in the us, it's 3.78. 1194 00:53:12,493 --> 00:53:16,363 So just make sure you get all the information you can when you're 1195 00:53:16,363 --> 00:53:20,053 trying to make those media choices and make sure you're comparing apples 1196 00:53:20,058 --> 00:53:24,613 to apples, and you always have plant size to pop volume as a reference. 1197 00:53:25,033 --> 00:53:25,363 Yeah. 1198 00:53:25,363 --> 00:53:25,633 I'm, 1199 00:53:25,723 --> 00:53:28,723 Jason: I'm really glad that you say that because you know, here, here 1200 00:53:28,723 --> 00:53:32,046 in the states we are always talking about, you know, some slabs being. 1201 00:53:33,186 --> 00:53:36,276 Or some cubes being six by sixes or four by fours. 1202 00:53:36,516 --> 00:53:39,216 Most of the suppliers on these, especially traditional ones that 1203 00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:42,456 we're used to actually have those cut to a metric measurement. 1204 00:53:43,416 --> 00:53:47,226 And so if you want to be exactly accurate, which you might as well be, 1205 00:53:47,226 --> 00:53:52,103 cuz it's just as easy look up the size specs or measuring them yourselves. 1206 00:53:52,104 --> 00:53:54,054 You know, a lot of these products were coming out of Europe. 1207 00:53:54,114 --> 00:53:58,254 A lot of 'em right now come outta Canada and they are using metric numbers, which 1208 00:53:58,314 --> 00:54:00,954 aren't exactly at that six by six per se. 1209 00:54:00,984 --> 00:54:01,060 Cool. 1210 00:54:01,060 --> 00:54:06,107 It's it's what number in metric is close to six by six and as. 1211 00:54:06,557 --> 00:54:07,637 Being Americans. 1212 00:54:07,637 --> 00:54:10,907 We just say, what's easy to say what we're used to in size. 1213 00:54:10,981 --> 00:54:12,521 So keep that in mind. 1214 00:54:12,521 --> 00:54:15,898 You know, it's not gonna be a huge difference, but if you're times that by, 1215 00:54:15,958 --> 00:54:20,788 you know, three plants in a substrate, and you're trying to correlate that to another 1216 00:54:21,088 --> 00:54:25,738 substrate that maybe did come from the us or was using slightly different measuring 1217 00:54:25,738 --> 00:54:29,028 standards, then it can exaggerate so well. 1218 00:54:29,028 --> 00:54:29,228 Here's 1219 00:54:29,228 --> 00:54:29,938 Seth Baumgartner: might as well be accurate. 1220 00:54:30,088 --> 00:54:31,348 Here's something I like to bring up too. 1221 00:54:31,348 --> 00:54:33,669 We use in, in the way that we crop steering calculate. 1222 00:54:34,629 --> 00:54:35,769 We use SA units. 1223 00:54:36,099 --> 00:54:37,369 We use milliliters and leters. 1224 00:54:37,389 --> 00:54:41,799 So instead of converting from gallons to leters and then milliliters, guess what? 1225 00:54:41,799 --> 00:54:44,589 You can just get all the specs from the manufacturer in milliliters. 1226 00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,439 And like Jason said, it's just as easy to plug the right numbers into 1227 00:54:47,439 --> 00:54:51,609 your equation, as it is to plug close to right numbers into your equation. 1228 00:54:51,614 --> 00:54:55,449 You know, the information's out there, you just gotta grab it. 1229 00:54:57,069 --> 00:54:58,929 Kaisha: Amazing Mandy. 1230 00:54:58,929 --> 00:55:01,689 Any other final words from our YouTube friends? 1231 00:55:01,713 --> 00:55:02,976 Mandy: I believe that's it. 1232 00:55:03,009 --> 00:55:05,469 Verde did join Verde Claro, join late. 1233 00:55:05,469 --> 00:55:05,739 Sorry. 1234 00:55:05,739 --> 00:55:06,039 I'm late. 1235 00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:07,329 I'm always late because I'm high. 1236 00:55:07,449 --> 00:55:07,599 We 1237 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:07,929 Kaisha: get it. 1238 00:55:07,929 --> 00:55:08,529 I, we get it. 1239 00:55:08,739 --> 00:55:10,179 Yeah, it happens to us. 1240 00:55:10,179 --> 00:55:11,079 We will be later. 1241 00:55:11,229 --> 00:55:11,409 Yeah. 1242 00:55:11,409 --> 00:55:15,759 I think everyone over there for that's the final question on my end, Seth and 1243 00:55:15,759 --> 00:55:18,189 Jason, first time doing this in person. 1244 00:55:18,249 --> 00:55:19,449 I hope it wasn't too weird. 1245 00:55:19,749 --> 00:55:20,409 No, it was fun. 1246 00:55:20,414 --> 00:55:21,279 It was great for me. 1247 00:55:21,279 --> 00:55:22,059 I loved it. 1248 00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:23,049 I hope you all loved it. 1249 00:55:23,049 --> 00:55:24,549 Thank you all so much for joining us today. 1250 00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:25,539 Any final words before we. 1251 00:55:26,544 --> 00:55:26,754 Jason: yeah. 1252 00:55:26,754 --> 00:55:28,164 Keep coming back up here and we'll get 1253 00:55:28,284 --> 00:55:29,364 Seth Baumgartner: to get you your own mic. 1254 00:55:29,424 --> 00:55:30,264 That's what I gonna say? 1255 00:55:30,474 --> 00:55:31,104 Get you a mic. 1256 00:55:31,104 --> 00:55:31,524 Watch out. 1257 00:55:31,524 --> 00:55:32,574 We didn't bump heads. 1258 00:55:32,734 --> 00:55:33,504 No, no, we did 1259 00:55:33,504 --> 00:55:34,044 Kaisha: pretty good. 1260 00:55:34,254 --> 00:55:34,974 Watch out folks. 1261 00:55:34,974 --> 00:55:38,184 I might be an expert on crop steering very soon with my two 1262 00:55:38,184 --> 00:55:40,044 little plants in the backyard. 1263 00:55:40,569 --> 00:55:42,549 Rehydrating those I was overwatering you guys. 1264 00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:43,509 I realized that now. 1265 00:55:43,929 --> 00:55:45,609 All right, on that note, everybody. 1266 00:55:45,614 --> 00:55:47,889 Thank you all for joining us for this week's AO office hours. 1267 00:55:47,889 --> 00:55:50,289 We do this every Thursday and the best way to get answers from 1268 00:55:50,289 --> 00:55:51,999 the experts is to join us live. 1269 00:55:52,209 --> 00:55:55,149 If you have any questions about AYA book a demo, our experts will talk 1270 00:55:55,149 --> 00:55:58,719 you through all the features and tell you how it can help be used to improve 1271 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,429 your cultivation production process. 1272 00:56:00,609 --> 00:56:03,759 But as always let us know if there's a topic you want covered in a future 1273 00:56:03,759 --> 00:56:06,219 office hours session posted in the chat. 1274 00:56:06,219 --> 00:56:09,969 Send us an email at support.aroya@metergroup.com. 1275 00:56:10,359 --> 00:56:11,979 or drop us a DM over Instagram. 1276 00:56:11,979 --> 00:56:12,909 We wanna hear from you. 1277 00:56:13,059 --> 00:56:14,299 We record every session. 1278 00:56:14,299 --> 00:56:16,965 We'll email everybody in attendance and link to the video from today, 1279 00:56:16,995 --> 00:56:20,175 and then it'll live on the Aurora YouTube channel, like subscribe 1280 00:56:20,175 --> 00:56:21,165 and share while you're there. 1281 00:56:21,195 --> 00:56:23,805 And if this is useful, please do spread the word. 1282 00:56:23,895 --> 00:56:24,795 Thank you all so much. 1283 00:56:24,795 --> 00:56:25,695 And we'll see you next time. 1284 00:56:26,225 --> 00:56:26,645 Bye. 1285 00:56:27,395 --> 00:56:28,365 Thanks guys.