WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.210 --> 00:00:10.490 I'm Travis Bader and this is The 00:00:10.490 --> 00:00:11.660 Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.310 --> 00:00:15.140 Join me as I discuss matters related to 00:00:15.140 --> 00:00:17.180 hunting, fishing, and outdoor pursuits 00:00:17.450 --> 00:00:19.380 with the people in businesses that comprise 00:00:19.380 --> 00:00:20.060 of the community. 00:00:20.870 --> 00:00:22.760 If you're a new to Silvercore, be sure to 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.960 check out our website, www.Silvercore.ca where 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.060 you can learn more about courses, services, 00:00:29.060 --> 00:00:30.320 and products we offer. 00:00:30.710 --> 00:00:32.689 As well as how you can join The Silvercore Club, 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.120 which includes 10 million in North America wide 00:00:35.120 --> 00:00:37.760 liability insurance, to ensure you are properly 00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:39.670 covered during your outdoor adventures. 00:00:43.400 --> 00:00:45.190 Before we get rolling with this episode, I'd 00:00:45.190 --> 00:00:47.739 like to do a little bit of housecleaning and to 00:00:47.739 --> 00:00:50.820 that end, I would like to remind everybody 00:00:50.970 --> 00:00:53.520 that if they're enjoying The Silvercore Podcast, 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.790 if they like what they hear, let us know, leave 00:00:56.790 --> 00:00:59.970 a comment, click like, subscribe, tell your 00:00:59.970 --> 00:01:02.430 friends, you can find The Silvercore Podcasts 00:01:02.430 --> 00:01:04.470 on all major podcast providers out there. 00:01:04.890 --> 00:01:08.340 We're also on YouTube and you can find us 00:01:08.510 --> 00:01:11.480 social media and speaking about different social 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.390 media platforms, we're also on clubhouse now, 00:01:14.690 --> 00:01:19.000 so if Silvercore Club members are interested 00:01:19.399 --> 00:01:23.420 partaking in a live podcast on clubhouse. 00:01:23.750 --> 00:01:26.060 We'd asked for two things; number one, 00:01:26.690 --> 00:01:30.140 let us know, number two, let us know 00:01:30.140 --> 00:01:32.529 how to use clubhouse so we can do this. 00:01:34.629 --> 00:01:39.070 Now without further ado, today I'm joined by the 00:01:39.190 --> 00:01:41.350 director of directions for International 00:01:41.350 --> 00:01:44.530 Barrels, the makers of high quality 00:01:44.679 --> 00:01:47.860 premium grade rifle barrels, Ryan Steacy. 00:01:48.510 --> 00:01:49.110 How's it going? 00:01:50.070 --> 00:01:52.100 Ryan, welcome back to The Silvercore Podcast. 00:01:52.130 --> 00:01:52.550 Thanks. 00:01:53.390 --> 00:01:56.510 As well, we've got the publisher and owner of 00:01:56.510 --> 00:01:59.840 Calibre Magazine, Calibre Magazine's going into 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.890 its 10th year producing Canadian firearms 00:02:03.890 --> 00:02:08.240 content, top drawer, premium quality magazine. 00:02:08.270 --> 00:02:10.970 If you're a member of some organizations, 00:02:10.970 --> 00:02:13.070 I believe the CSSA is one of them, you will 00:02:13.070 --> 00:02:15.200 already be getting the Calibre Magazine. 00:02:16.650 --> 00:02:19.270 Thank you for joining us today, Daniel Fritter. 00:02:20.310 --> 00:02:21.460 Hey Travis, long time no talk. 00:02:22.070 --> 00:02:23.460 Yeah, it has been a while, hasn't it? 00:02:24.020 --> 00:02:26.960 Yeah, I mean, it's been like years, man, when I 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:29.000 was going down there and dropping off magazines 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:29.510 back in the day. 00:02:29.540 --> 00:02:30.340 I remember that. 00:02:30.670 --> 00:02:32.960 In fact, right, we're talking off air here, 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:35.120 but our first meeting happened right here 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:36.870 in the podcast studio, that was my office. 00:02:36.870 --> 00:02:39.200 Before we turned into the podcast studio. 00:02:40.065 --> 00:02:40.305 Yeah. 00:02:40.305 --> 00:02:42.135 And for those that are listening to maybe 00:02:42.135 --> 00:02:44.295 not know, Silvercore, obviously based at 00:02:44.295 --> 00:02:46.575 a Delta and Calibre started up based out 00:02:46.575 --> 00:02:47.715 of Delta as well. 00:02:47.715 --> 00:02:51.704 And our office was, I think about 10 00:02:51.704 --> 00:02:53.685 minutes away from your guys's office. 00:02:53.685 --> 00:02:55.605 And about 12 minutes away from the brewery, 00:02:55.605 --> 00:02:57.505 that's down the street from your guys's office. 00:02:57.555 --> 00:02:59.025 Yes, good times. 00:03:00.355 --> 00:03:02.950 I need one of those near IBI. 00:03:03.810 --> 00:03:04.399 Yes, you do. 00:03:04.399 --> 00:03:05.929 Hey, you talk to those Four Winds guys 00:03:05.929 --> 00:03:07.570 around the corner from Travis' place, they 00:03:07.590 --> 00:03:08.340 make some good beer. 00:03:10.310 --> 00:03:11.570 Well, I'm really glad to be able to 00:03:11.570 --> 00:03:13.679 be chatting with you again here, Daniel. 00:03:13.750 --> 00:03:16.459 It's bill C-21 particularly that 00:03:16.459 --> 00:03:18.260 kind of got us talking offline here, and 00:03:18.260 --> 00:03:18.680 then we thought. 00:03:19.125 --> 00:03:22.125 You know, you've got some pretty good insight. 00:03:22.154 --> 00:03:23.894 You're a sharp cookie, you're a smart guy, 00:03:23.894 --> 00:03:25.454 you got some good insight that I figured 00:03:25.454 --> 00:03:27.614 that The Silvercore Podcast listeners 00:03:28.005 --> 00:03:28.845 would like to hear. 00:03:29.234 --> 00:03:33.045 And Ryan and I are both affiants on 00:03:33.045 --> 00:03:36.165 the order in council firearms prohibition 00:03:36.195 --> 00:03:38.874 and have a little bit of insight from that 00:03:38.894 --> 00:03:41.475 perspective; providing the court's information 00:03:41.505 --> 00:03:43.935 so that they can make the best available 00:03:43.935 --> 00:03:45.765 decision with all the information available. 00:03:46.334 --> 00:03:46.904 And I guess. 00:03:47.265 --> 00:03:49.365 You know, Dan, you were, you spoke at the 00:03:49.365 --> 00:03:51.465 Senate about bill C-71. 00:03:52.035 --> 00:03:53.595 So I'm going to have to throw in a big 00:03:53.595 --> 00:03:54.855 old disclaimer at the front of this. 00:03:55.155 --> 00:03:57.405 None of us are lawyers, but we're going to spend 00:03:57.405 --> 00:03:59.505 some time just sort of openly discussing 00:03:59.505 --> 00:04:01.995 different ideas, different viewpoints 00:04:02.835 --> 00:04:07.200 in regards to some of the recent legislation, 00:04:07.590 --> 00:04:09.840 policy regulations that have been coming down 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.960 the pipe, and then we'll just see it from a few 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:14.430 different perspectives and see if we can kind of 00:04:14.430 --> 00:04:17.460 get ourselves caught up on, up to where C-21 is. 00:04:18.290 --> 00:04:18.860 Sounds good. 00:04:20.570 --> 00:04:22.880 Well, I mean to take it back to C-71, I 00:04:22.909 --> 00:04:26.400 think, you know, the problems there. 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:28.410 Uh, I mean, as you said, we're none of 00:04:28.410 --> 00:04:30.600 us are lawyers, but Ian Runkle is one. 00:04:31.230 --> 00:04:33.900 I think we've all seen a lot of his content and, 00:04:33.900 --> 00:04:36.480 uh, I think we can all probably say with some 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.300 degree of confidence that the people responsible 00:04:39.300 --> 00:04:41.910 for drafting this bill, maybe weren't the best 00:04:41.910 --> 00:04:43.920 of lawyers, if they were lawyers at all. 00:04:44.520 --> 00:04:47.070 Um, or conversely, you know, cause I'm, I'm 00:04:47.070 --> 00:04:49.500 aware that there will be some lawyer out there 00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:51.000 that works for the crown that may watch this and 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:52.470 goes, wow, that Dan guys' a dick, I worked really 00:04:52.470 --> 00:04:53.533 hard, but that other guy. 00:04:53.533 --> 00:04:53.682 He sucked! 00:04:53.682 --> 00:04:54.964 He wouldn't give me any lee way. 00:04:55.734 --> 00:04:57.590 Um, cause I think that's probably closer to 00:04:57.590 --> 00:05:00.740 the truth is, uh, with C-21, I mean I've done 00:05:00.740 --> 00:05:02.360 a video already, but for those that don't know, 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.060 my personal attitude is that, um, it comes down 00:05:05.060 --> 00:05:06.110 to a scheduling conflict. 00:05:06.914 --> 00:05:08.985 Cause this bill was introduced, I haven't 00:05:08.985 --> 00:05:11.025 checked the calendar as of right now, but we're 00:05:11.025 --> 00:05:12.224 still in the latter half of the month. 00:05:12.224 --> 00:05:13.305 So it should be sitting months. 00:05:13.305 --> 00:05:14.594 So for those that don't know the parliamentary 00:05:14.594 --> 00:05:16.635 calendar for the house of commons, generally 00:05:16.635 --> 00:05:18.855 they seat, or they sit half the month. 00:05:18.945 --> 00:05:20.295 Uh, it's typically been the last 00:05:20.295 --> 00:05:21.015 half of the month. 00:05:21.585 --> 00:05:23.235 Um, and before everyone says, Oh, 00:05:23.265 --> 00:05:25.125 lazy parliamentarian, they're actually very 00:05:25.125 --> 00:05:28.530 hardworking people, even some of the liberal 00:05:28.530 --> 00:05:30.210 MPS are incredibly hardworking individuals 00:05:30.210 --> 00:05:32.010 that serve their constituents very well. 00:05:32.550 --> 00:05:34.620 And to do so that requires spending time 00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:35.640 in their constituency. 00:05:35.640 --> 00:05:37.349 So they spend half their time back home and half 00:05:37.349 --> 00:05:38.010 the time in Ottawa. 00:05:38.039 --> 00:05:39.270 So it makes total sense. 00:05:39.930 --> 00:05:41.460 Um, but that means that they only get 00:05:41.460 --> 00:05:43.620 half the time to actually do government 00:05:43.620 --> 00:05:44.670 business in Ottawa. 00:05:44.700 --> 00:05:47.700 They can't vote or debate or have parliamentary 00:05:47.700 --> 00:05:50.760 procedure progress without the parliament 00:05:50.760 --> 00:05:51.450 actually sitting. 00:05:51.450 --> 00:05:53.220 And obviously even with these weird hybrid 00:05:53.220 --> 00:05:54.740 sessions that they're having the calendars, 00:05:54.740 --> 00:05:56.340 the calendar, they can't take days out 00:05:56.340 --> 00:05:57.000 of that calendar. 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:57.870 It's actually part of the way the 00:05:57.870 --> 00:05:58.860 parliament is managed. 00:06:00.210 --> 00:06:01.990 When Justin Trudeau announced C-21, there was 00:06:02.010 --> 00:06:04.500 only 55 days left in the parliamentary calendar. 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.300 Um, There's less than we're into the 00:06:07.300 --> 00:06:08.620 forties now, I think. 00:06:08.650 --> 00:06:11.320 Um, so it's dwindling. 00:06:11.320 --> 00:06:12.580 They said that second reading is going to 00:06:12.580 --> 00:06:14.200 happen sometime later this week, which I 00:06:14.200 --> 00:06:16.390 will confess, you know, obviously as a gun 00:06:16.390 --> 00:06:17.979 owner, I don't think there's any gun owner 00:06:17.979 --> 00:06:19.300 up there that wouldn't be able to get out of 00:06:19.300 --> 00:06:21.039 a psychologist chair without at least some 00:06:21.039 --> 00:06:23.169 degree of generalized anxiety diagnosis. 00:06:24.070 --> 00:06:26.560 Um, but I mean, I hear these headlines and you 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:28.120 get the little heart flutter of, Oh shit 00:06:28.150 --> 00:06:30.070 maybe it's real, but um. 00:06:30.669 --> 00:06:31.990 Oh, can we swear on this pathway? 00:06:32.080 --> 00:06:33.169 Is that allowed? 00:06:33.539 --> 00:06:33.929 Swear away. 00:06:34.049 --> 00:06:34.210 Okay. 00:06:34.210 --> 00:06:35.940 It might happen accidentally, but we'll 00:06:35.940 --> 00:06:36.540 keep it to a minimum. 00:06:36.930 --> 00:06:40.050 Um, yeah, it may not happen, uh, 00:06:40.070 --> 00:06:40.860 or might happen. 00:06:40.860 --> 00:06:43.380 But then I think the reality is 55 days for 00:06:43.440 --> 00:06:43.950 those that don't know. 00:06:43.950 --> 00:06:45.450 So you got your first reading in the house of 00:06:45.450 --> 00:06:46.890 commons, second reading in the house of commons. 00:06:46.890 --> 00:06:48.360 Typically not much happens between those 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.610 two, especially with government bills 00:06:50.610 --> 00:06:52.770 because private members bills and government 00:06:52.770 --> 00:06:53.890 bills, government bills are backed, but the 00:06:53.910 --> 00:06:55.470 government probably member's bills or smaller 00:06:55.470 --> 00:06:56.990 bills that a private member puts out that 00:06:57.005 --> 00:06:58.445 the government may or may not have consulted 00:06:58.445 --> 00:06:59.045 on dramatically. 00:06:59.045 --> 00:07:00.125 Typically private member's bills 00:07:00.125 --> 00:07:00.665 don't make it. 00:07:00.665 --> 00:07:02.345 Government bills are the big ones that are policy. 00:07:02.825 --> 00:07:04.145 So this is a government bill, they've got lots 00:07:04.145 --> 00:07:04.925 of background on it. 00:07:04.925 --> 00:07:06.605 So private member's bills being first and second 00:07:06.605 --> 00:07:09.485 reading, they do see some degree of editing. 00:07:10.155 --> 00:07:12.305 Because someone may read it and go, someone 00:07:12.305 --> 00:07:14.025 across the isle will go, you're an idiot, this 00:07:14.025 --> 00:07:15.765 is unconstitutional, illegal, whatever, and 00:07:15.765 --> 00:07:16.845 they'll make a change and they'll give it a 00:07:16.845 --> 00:07:18.375 second reading in the house just to say, I'm 00:07:18.375 --> 00:07:19.425 serious about this. 00:07:19.485 --> 00:07:20.445 I've made the edits right. 00:07:20.925 --> 00:07:21.945 Now it'll be read the second time. 00:07:22.125 --> 00:07:23.955 Obtaining a second reading is very easy 00:07:23.955 --> 00:07:24.615 on the calendar. 00:07:24.675 --> 00:07:26.385 It gets really tricky to get the third reading 00:07:26.385 --> 00:07:27.885 because between second and third, and you have 00:07:27.885 --> 00:07:28.815 the committee stage. 00:07:29.145 --> 00:07:32.175 Where the parliamentary committee on, um, I 00:07:32.175 --> 00:07:33.735 believe the parliamentary committee is the 00:07:33.735 --> 00:07:36.075 national national security public safety. 00:07:36.135 --> 00:07:37.885 Um, I think parallels the Senate committee. 00:07:38.795 --> 00:07:41.750 Uh, and that committee is comprised of MPS, 00:07:41.780 --> 00:07:43.969 the makeup of it reflects that of the 00:07:43.969 --> 00:07:44.719 house of commons. 00:07:44.719 --> 00:07:46.550 So it is a minority committee with 00:07:46.610 --> 00:07:47.719 liberals chairing it. 00:07:47.780 --> 00:07:50.930 Um, but this is where it'll get messy is 00:07:50.930 --> 00:07:53.150 because, you know, even if they can get 00:07:53.150 --> 00:07:54.260 the second reading, which they obviously 00:07:54.260 --> 00:07:55.640 will this week, it's just a scheduling 00:07:55.670 --> 00:07:56.960 thing, they don't have to discuss anything. 00:07:57.020 --> 00:07:59.030 But once they put it into the committee, uh, 00:07:59.060 --> 00:08:01.665 the committee schedule actually, for example, 00:08:01.665 --> 00:08:03.555 WE, the, WE scandal's a great example of this. 00:08:03.615 --> 00:08:04.935 Remember how, like we were seeing all those 00:08:04.935 --> 00:08:06.585 headlines progress and progress and progress, 00:08:06.915 --> 00:08:09.315 and then it hit committee and it stopped. 00:08:10.034 --> 00:08:11.745 Like it just, you heard nothing else about, WE. 00:08:11.745 --> 00:08:13.425 Same as SNC, it was committee committee 00:08:13.425 --> 00:08:14.895 committee, and then it just stopped because 00:08:15.344 --> 00:08:16.875 although the liberals do control the committee 00:08:16.875 --> 00:08:18.284 and they can bring things to a stop, 00:08:18.315 --> 00:08:21.015 they don't have the majority to, to progress 00:08:21.015 --> 00:08:21.885 things beyond that. 00:08:21.885 --> 00:08:23.265 So things just get parked in committee. 00:08:23.265 --> 00:08:25.425 So like the WE scandal is still being heard in 00:08:25.425 --> 00:08:26.745 the committee because the liberals can't move 00:08:26.745 --> 00:08:29.685 on, but they have enough people to stop progress. 00:08:30.405 --> 00:08:31.695 And we're going to see the same thing here, 00:08:31.695 --> 00:08:33.495 because I mean, this is the bill that determines, 00:08:34.664 --> 00:08:36.645 this is a multi-billion dollar buyback, the 00:08:36.645 --> 00:08:38.475 government has to know this at some level. 00:08:39.365 --> 00:08:40.965 None of the scheduling makes sense. 00:08:41.835 --> 00:08:43.455 So, you know, to go back to the main point, you've 00:08:43.455 --> 00:08:45.435 got 40 days to get this through a committee where 00:08:45.944 --> 00:08:48.135 the Bloc Québécois will try and be painting the 00:08:48.135 --> 00:08:50.484 Liberals into a corner to say, if the gun 00:08:50.484 --> 00:08:52.455 buyback isn't mandatory, it's not a buyback. 00:08:52.755 --> 00:08:54.255 So the Liberals will have to be doing some 00:08:54.255 --> 00:08:55.655 kind of politicking with the Bloc. 00:08:56.145 --> 00:08:58.275 The NDP doesn't know how they're going to stand 00:08:58.275 --> 00:08:59.805 because they're probably pulling on it still to 00:08:59.805 --> 00:09:02.355 figure out, you know, where do we, is it bad. 00:09:02.355 --> 00:09:05.385 Because in the political scheme, basically, you 00:09:05.385 --> 00:09:07.335 got the three levels of rollback, which is 00:09:07.335 --> 00:09:09.285 what the CPC wants to do is roll it back, 00:09:09.465 --> 00:09:10.365 stop the buyback. 00:09:10.405 --> 00:09:11.505 Then you've got the liberals that are, 00:09:11.505 --> 00:09:14.265 it's a buyback, but you can keep your stuff. 00:09:14.385 --> 00:09:16.065 Um, and obviously for gun owners, we look at 00:09:16.065 --> 00:09:17.445 that and go, well, maybe we get to keep it down 00:09:17.445 --> 00:09:18.405 the road, who knows? 00:09:19.035 --> 00:09:20.085 Um, and then the other one is the 00:09:20.085 --> 00:09:21.015 mandatory buyback. 00:09:21.075 --> 00:09:22.815 And then the last one beyond that is 00:09:22.845 --> 00:09:23.625 mandatory seizure. 00:09:23.915 --> 00:09:24.094 Right. 00:09:24.094 --> 00:09:25.535 Of no compensation seizure. 00:09:25.564 --> 00:09:27.064 Now that is an, that's a thing. 00:09:27.155 --> 00:09:28.474 Gun owners need to realize there are people 00:09:28.474 --> 00:09:30.545 out there that want that, so like, don't forget 00:09:30.545 --> 00:09:31.234 that's on the table. 00:09:31.234 --> 00:09:34.084 Cause people do start to, they shift the goalpost 00:09:34.084 --> 00:09:35.584 and they forget like, no, the goal was always 00:09:35.584 --> 00:09:36.635 this wide guy's, like. 00:09:37.234 --> 00:09:37.655 Right. 00:09:37.685 --> 00:09:38.885 We've got to worry about those things. 00:09:39.625 --> 00:09:42.655 Um, and because there's the rumored election 00:09:42.655 --> 00:09:45.354 coming up in June or the fall and minority 00:09:45.354 --> 00:09:47.515 governments only last 450 days on average, 00:09:47.515 --> 00:09:49.395 this one's already passed the average 00:09:49.395 --> 00:09:51.405 minority government expiry date in Canada. 00:09:51.824 --> 00:09:53.954 No minority government, I think actually one 00:09:53.954 --> 00:09:55.814 minority government has gone the full four 00:09:56.045 --> 00:09:58.295 term, but it was once and it was like in the 00:09:58.295 --> 00:10:01.085 forties or something, extremely extenuating 00:10:01.085 --> 00:10:01.805 circumstances. 00:10:01.805 --> 00:10:04.145 So long story short, I just don't see this 00:10:04.145 --> 00:10:06.935 bill beating Justin Trudeau's next election 00:10:06.935 --> 00:10:10.865 writ because he has his, when you think of Justin 00:10:10.865 --> 00:10:12.125 Trudeau's priorities, winning the last 00:10:12.125 --> 00:10:13.085 election is like here. 00:10:13.985 --> 00:10:15.410 And you've got your hand up high. 00:10:15.410 --> 00:10:17.220 Actually banning guns, way higher. 00:10:17.910 --> 00:10:18.300 Yes. 00:10:18.750 --> 00:10:21.800 Um, and then his actual gun stuff is way lower. 00:10:21.800 --> 00:10:23.210 So this is just to get votes. 00:10:23.210 --> 00:10:25.069 So what I think he's going to do, uh, 00:10:25.090 --> 00:10:26.540 this is just my, this is conjecture. 00:10:27.530 --> 00:10:29.360 From someone who's watched politics on guns 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:30.800 for 10 years, what I think is going to happen 00:10:31.340 --> 00:10:32.630 is they're going to run this thing through as 00:10:32.630 --> 00:10:33.470 close as they can get. 00:10:33.650 --> 00:10:34.910 They're going to put as much effort into getting 00:10:34.910 --> 00:10:36.710 it as close to the finish line, and then they're 00:10:36.710 --> 00:10:38.000 going to drop the writ and they're going to 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.540 try and drop the writ on some sort of leverage 00:10:41.569 --> 00:10:45.285 legislation or policy to try and make it look 00:10:45.285 --> 00:10:46.965 like the Liberals are not the ones asking 00:10:46.965 --> 00:10:47.625 for this election. 00:10:48.225 --> 00:10:49.875 Then they're going to campaign on the notion 00:10:49.875 --> 00:10:51.735 that the Conservatives demanded the selection. 00:10:51.795 --> 00:10:53.985 The Conservatives killed off the gun ban bill, the 00:10:53.985 --> 00:10:55.814 Conservatives canceled the buyback and you got 00:10:55.814 --> 00:10:58.575 to vote Liberal to keep the buyback on rails is 00:10:58.575 --> 00:10:59.555 what I think they'll do. 00:10:59.555 --> 00:11:01.935 Because I think this because also too, when 00:11:01.935 --> 00:11:03.730 you look past this and you go, where do 00:11:03.740 --> 00:11:04.540 they go beyond this? 00:11:04.569 --> 00:11:05.860 What's the next selection promise? 00:11:05.890 --> 00:11:07.990 If they pass this law, what do they promise the 00:11:07.990 --> 00:11:09.160 anti-gun people next? 00:11:09.160 --> 00:11:10.120 Because they're not going to just let 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.310 those people swim away from the voting block. 00:11:13.180 --> 00:11:15.370 Like they're there in the sales funnel for 00:11:15.370 --> 00:11:16.089 the Liberal party. 00:11:16.089 --> 00:11:17.470 They're not just going to be like, okay, well 00:11:17.560 --> 00:11:19.060 we're done with you, you can go vote for 00:11:19.060 --> 00:11:19.770 whoever you want now. 00:11:19.770 --> 00:11:21.569 They have to keep those people on the line. 00:11:22.209 --> 00:11:24.129 So, and there's nothing past this, they 00:11:24.129 --> 00:11:25.600 can't ban handguns, the bill's too big. 00:11:25.630 --> 00:11:27.490 There's 2 million of them, it was too much, 00:11:27.885 --> 00:11:28.635 it's just not worth it. 00:11:28.724 --> 00:11:30.375 Like, I don't think any government wants to go 00:11:30.375 --> 00:11:33.165 down that road of buying 2 million handguns. 00:11:33.165 --> 00:11:35.925 Like the bill would be huge, but just 00:11:35.925 --> 00:11:37.814 fundamentally it's, it's something on the 00:11:37.814 --> 00:11:39.405 balance sheet no one wants politically. 00:11:39.454 --> 00:11:41.525 Well, the, on the balance of probabilities here 00:11:41.525 --> 00:11:42.964 and on that spectrum that you've already 00:11:42.964 --> 00:11:46.204 pointed out, buy back might not be necessary. 00:11:46.694 --> 00:11:49.275 I mean, it depends on when you say it, cause 00:11:49.275 --> 00:11:51.735 you always have to look at these, whenever I look 00:11:51.735 --> 00:11:53.475 at stuff now with the gun laws, it's the question 00:11:53.475 --> 00:11:54.975 of, do you look at it from the perspective of 00:11:55.125 --> 00:11:57.984 what will this do from a legislative / punitive 00:11:58.305 --> 00:11:59.985 / enforcement perspective versus what will this 00:11:59.985 --> 00:12:00.944 do at the ballot box? 00:12:01.770 --> 00:12:03.510 Because so much of the legislation and 00:12:03.510 --> 00:12:04.800 policy that's come out of this government. 00:12:04.800 --> 00:12:07.020 And I'm not just saying this, this isn't, I'll be 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:08.729 totally blunt, I'm not an overly partisan person. 00:12:08.729 --> 00:12:10.500 I'm not a big fan of the liberals because I 00:12:10.500 --> 00:12:11.760 work in the gun industry obviously and I don't 00:12:11.760 --> 00:12:13.140 like the way they govern our country in general. 00:12:13.170 --> 00:12:16.410 But, um, so don't, I don't want people to 00:12:16.410 --> 00:12:17.969 think this is a partisan snipe, but generally 00:12:17.969 --> 00:12:19.890 speaking, this government has not been terribly 00:12:19.920 --> 00:12:21.540 effective at governing for the last five years. 00:12:21.560 --> 00:12:24.739 We have not passed many actual laws. 00:12:25.449 --> 00:12:27.170 They have not actual, like I mean, they 00:12:27.730 --> 00:12:28.490 haven't changed much. 00:12:28.490 --> 00:12:30.250 Gun owners are a prime example of like, I know 00:12:30.250 --> 00:12:32.079 our lives will change dramatically and it's 00:12:32.079 --> 00:12:35.770 a huge, huge concern and we are at, we are 00:12:35.770 --> 00:12:37.329 at the brink of losing all of our guns, but 00:12:37.329 --> 00:12:38.829 I'll be blunt, it took six years to get here. 00:12:39.610 --> 00:12:41.650 Like six years. 00:12:41.680 --> 00:12:43.030 This government has been promising to do 00:12:43.030 --> 00:12:43.959 this for six years. 00:12:43.959 --> 00:12:46.560 It took them six years to do this, you know? 00:12:46.660 --> 00:12:47.920 There, they don't too much, very 00:12:47.920 --> 00:12:48.599 quickly do they. 00:12:49.459 --> 00:12:49.629 No. 00:12:50.079 --> 00:12:54.369 Um, So it's one of those kind of, this idea 00:12:54.369 --> 00:12:56.019 that the government is suddenly going to go from 00:12:56.019 --> 00:12:57.790 a government that has passed, you know, some of 00:12:57.790 --> 00:13:00.489 the smallest volumes of legislation in history to 00:13:00.489 --> 00:13:04.329 passing the largest and most sweeping and most 00:13:04.329 --> 00:13:06.729 expensive piece of gun control legislation in 00:13:06.729 --> 00:13:09.639 Canada's history in less than 40 days, during a 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:12.420 global pandemic strikes me as far as far fetched. 00:13:12.959 --> 00:13:14.759 Is there any way that they can push it through 00:13:15.030 --> 00:13:18.295 with a different method other than, uh, I 00:13:18.295 --> 00:13:20.275 mean, obviously you can't do the OIC again, 00:13:20.275 --> 00:13:21.925 but is there another way they can do it? 00:13:23.035 --> 00:13:26.334 He can't OIC this, cause technically speaking 00:13:26.334 --> 00:13:29.154 on the, uh, legally, uh, they can OIC things 00:13:29.154 --> 00:13:29.935 that are regulation. 00:13:30.369 --> 00:13:32.739 So they can OIC the AR-15 because it's, it's 00:13:32.739 --> 00:13:35.289 a reg like the document is called regulations. 00:13:35.529 --> 00:13:37.749 Uh, it's not legislation, it's not an act. 00:13:38.079 --> 00:13:40.389 They can OIC acts as well, but the thing 00:13:40.389 --> 00:13:42.159 with OIC's is you can't OIC anything that 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:42.879 involves procurement. 00:13:43.209 --> 00:13:45.189 If there is a dollar bill attached value, 00:13:45.729 --> 00:13:47.379 it has to go through the house of commons 00:13:47.379 --> 00:13:50.680 because, OIC's are intended to change typos. 00:13:51.515 --> 00:13:53.285 That's OIC's legal intention for the 00:13:53.285 --> 00:13:55.415 Parliamentary procedure was literally, cause 00:13:55.505 --> 00:13:57.785 all of Canada's laws are passed in English and 00:13:57.785 --> 00:13:59.585 French, and sometimes when they do the French 00:13:59.615 --> 00:14:01.625 translations, the words don't quite match up. 00:14:01.625 --> 00:14:02.975 And you can end up with laws that say like, 00:14:02.975 --> 00:14:04.355 you can't ride your horse down the street, 00:14:04.385 --> 00:14:05.675 meaning you can't ride your turtle down the 00:14:05.675 --> 00:14:06.875 street or something stupid like that. 00:14:07.265 --> 00:14:08.645 Obviously I don't speak French cause someone 00:14:08.645 --> 00:14:10.285 to Quebec, those words mean nothing alike. 00:14:11.814 --> 00:14:13.765 Um, BC guy. 00:14:14.125 --> 00:14:18.250 Um, but like that's what OIC's are supposed to be 00:14:18.250 --> 00:14:19.449 for, cause they didn't want to have the host 00:14:19.449 --> 00:14:21.969 of common sitting and having 338 paid MP's go 00:14:21.969 --> 00:14:23.980 like, yeah, we want to correct the typo on page 00:14:24.010 --> 00:14:25.360 284 of the criminal code. 00:14:26.604 --> 00:14:28.254 So they said the privy council was supposed 00:14:28.254 --> 00:14:30.484 to have the right to just change small, 00:14:31.685 --> 00:14:33.744 inconsequential things in general, and then that 00:14:33.744 --> 00:14:36.354 expanded out into this regulatory framework, 00:14:36.594 --> 00:14:38.244 but it hasn't expanded into procurement. 00:14:38.244 --> 00:14:39.954 And thankfully the one thing people also 00:14:39.954 --> 00:14:43.199 should think about, um, the only reason that 00:14:43.199 --> 00:14:46.410 Justin Trudeau can't do this is because the 00:14:46.439 --> 00:14:50.339 Conservative party and even the NDP even, but 00:14:50.339 --> 00:14:51.989 mostly the Conservative party made a massive 00:14:51.989 --> 00:14:53.969 issue out of the Liberal party, trying to pass 00:14:53.969 --> 00:14:56.310 that bill early on in the pandemic that would 00:14:56.310 --> 00:14:58.889 have given the Liberal party, both taxation 00:14:58.889 --> 00:14:59.879 and spending powers. 00:15:00.310 --> 00:15:01.979 Because what it would take for Justin Trudeau 00:15:01.979 --> 00:15:04.739 to pass this unilaterally would be essentially 00:15:04.739 --> 00:15:06.150 the modern version of the war measures act, 00:15:06.150 --> 00:15:07.380 which is what they were looking at, passing 00:15:07.380 --> 00:15:08.310 early in the pandemic. 00:15:08.910 --> 00:15:10.439 And the government basically said, we're 00:15:10.439 --> 00:15:11.969 going to pass this, but we're not going to give 00:15:11.969 --> 00:15:14.130 you the spending ability and the taxing ability 00:15:14.130 --> 00:15:16.560 to just tax and spend however the government 00:15:16.560 --> 00:15:19.164 wants because that's that's pretty crazy. 00:15:19.254 --> 00:15:22.314 Um, but if he had gotten that, then yes, this 00:15:22.314 --> 00:15:24.504 bill could have just been a essentially, an 00:15:24.504 --> 00:15:26.714 executive order of I'm going to spend 5 billion. 00:15:27.134 --> 00:15:28.334 And the only reason, so people, if you're 00:15:28.334 --> 00:15:29.444 watching this going well, how can you spend 00:15:29.444 --> 00:15:31.094 so much money so quickly on pandemic response? 00:15:31.454 --> 00:15:32.714 We fast track stuff in the house. 00:15:32.924 --> 00:15:35.024 Um, pandemic response bills were 00:15:35.024 --> 00:15:35.714 given fast track. 00:15:36.104 --> 00:15:39.234 So it's a whole, those bills, do go through 00:15:39.254 --> 00:15:41.564 that kind of more war measures type framework. 00:15:41.564 --> 00:15:43.214 It still does replicate the parliamentary 00:15:43.214 --> 00:15:44.354 framework, but it's been streamlined. 00:15:44.485 --> 00:15:46.765 Um, for emergency purposes, but anything 00:15:46.765 --> 00:15:48.475 that isn't pertaining to COVID response has 00:15:48.475 --> 00:15:50.255 to go through the normal framework and it isn't 00:15:50.275 --> 00:15:52.165 given the benefits of all those pandemic stuff. 00:15:52.165 --> 00:15:54.625 So if anyone's listening and wondering why there's 00:15:54.625 --> 00:15:56.425 a disconnect there and why I'm saying they can't 00:15:56.425 --> 00:15:58.255 pass this, but they can pass, CERB response in 00:15:58.255 --> 00:16:01.235 two days, it's one is an emergent thing and one 00:16:01.235 --> 00:16:03.219 is a long-term policy. 00:16:03.550 --> 00:16:06.249 You know, shockingly Westminster parliaments 00:16:06.249 --> 00:16:08.229 don't give government the ability to pass anything 00:16:08.229 --> 00:16:09.459 they want just because there was an emergency. 00:16:10.019 --> 00:16:10.859 Shockingly. 00:16:10.920 --> 00:16:11.279 Good. 00:16:11.849 --> 00:16:12.359 So. 00:16:12.659 --> 00:16:13.439 Close though. 00:16:13.800 --> 00:16:15.389 A little bit too close I think we can all say. 00:16:16.829 --> 00:16:17.969 You know, I'd agree with that. 00:16:18.060 --> 00:16:20.699 Now The Silvercore Podcast is shooting, 00:16:20.729 --> 00:16:22.949 hunting outdoor adventures. 00:16:22.949 --> 00:16:24.089 There's going to be people who listened to 00:16:24.089 --> 00:16:26.724 this, who don't have a firearms background, 00:16:26.724 --> 00:16:28.795 aren't interested in firearms, but should 00:16:28.795 --> 00:16:31.464 probably still be concerned about some 00:16:31.464 --> 00:16:33.505 of the things that have been proposed and 00:16:35.155 --> 00:16:36.115 can you speak to that? 00:16:37.329 --> 00:16:40.899 Oh, can I, um, there's where to start? 00:16:40.899 --> 00:16:42.669 Well, I mean, first off, for anyone that's 00:16:42.669 --> 00:16:44.989 listening to this and who is thinking, and I 00:16:44.989 --> 00:16:47.769 mean, it's doubtful um, because I mean, they're, 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:49.749 they're seeking out gun podcasts probably with 00:16:49.749 --> 00:16:50.469 other kinds of folk. 00:16:50.469 --> 00:16:52.149 But if they're talking to someone, if they 00:16:52.149 --> 00:16:53.439 find someone in their life that goes, you 00:16:53.439 --> 00:16:55.239 know what, Dan, it doesn't matter to me. 00:16:55.299 --> 00:16:56.449 Like, I don't know how many AR-15 and I've 00:16:56.469 --> 00:16:58.629 had people, like I have people, I own a gun bags 00:16:58.629 --> 00:17:00.279 and I have people in my family that think that. 00:17:00.609 --> 00:17:02.169 Don't know the point, all that kind of thing. 00:17:03.369 --> 00:17:04.689 Those people, you should just tell them 00:17:04.689 --> 00:17:06.579 that if C-21 passes, it will mean the end of 00:17:06.579 --> 00:17:07.689 guns in Canada period. 00:17:08.500 --> 00:17:11.710 Because functionally, what it will do, um, 00:17:12.010 --> 00:17:14.530 is, is the framework that it provides for is, 00:17:15.460 --> 00:17:18.730 um, almost completely replicating much of the 00:17:18.730 --> 00:17:22.044 framework that was put in place by a former 00:17:22.044 --> 00:17:23.694 Liberal government to remove alcohol and 00:17:23.694 --> 00:17:26.905 tobacco from the main stream consciousness. 00:17:27.115 --> 00:17:28.794 Now I'm not saying guns are the same as those 00:17:28.794 --> 00:17:30.324 two things, because as someone that drinks 00:17:30.324 --> 00:17:32.574 very sporadically and minimally, because of 00:17:32.574 --> 00:17:34.735 health reasons that are personal to me, 00:17:35.205 --> 00:17:37.165 um, I don't think either of those things 00:17:37.165 --> 00:17:37.915 are terribly healthy. 00:17:37.915 --> 00:17:39.175 I do think guns are actually perfectly 00:17:39.175 --> 00:17:39.745 healthy product. 00:17:39.755 --> 00:17:41.875 So before anyone misunderstand that I. 00:17:41.875 --> 00:17:43.165 I would disagree on rum. 00:17:45.115 --> 00:17:46.555 I would honestly disagree. 00:17:46.605 --> 00:17:48.235 I could totally make the argument that a nice 00:17:48.235 --> 00:17:50.335 scotch lead tonight is a very healthy thing 00:17:50.335 --> 00:17:52.315 for me on certain times when I have a gutter 00:17:52.315 --> 00:17:54.085 shoe, that means I pay for it the next day. 00:17:54.085 --> 00:17:55.795 So unfortunately it's a like, uhh, 00:17:56.065 --> 00:17:56.695 pick and choose. 00:17:57.445 --> 00:17:59.275 Um, but I worked in the car industry, back when 00:17:59.275 --> 00:18:01.525 they were kicking tobacco of everything, uh, and 00:18:01.525 --> 00:18:03.175 alcohol and people will remember that we used to 00:18:03.175 --> 00:18:04.485 have a thing in Canada called the Molson Indy. 00:18:04.730 --> 00:18:07.070 And the clue to why it went away might 00:18:07.070 --> 00:18:07.820 be in the name. 00:18:08.540 --> 00:18:10.550 Um, and they're doing the same thing. 00:18:10.550 --> 00:18:12.350 Obviously C-21 has an advertising ban, 00:18:12.679 --> 00:18:14.389 it won't actually impact our business. 00:18:14.389 --> 00:18:15.679 So if people think this is me being, 00:18:16.159 --> 00:18:18.949 self-interested it, won't no one advertises guns 00:18:18.949 --> 00:18:20.389 from a self-defensive perspective in our 00:18:20.389 --> 00:18:21.080 magazine really. 00:18:21.409 --> 00:18:22.790 And those that do will have no problem 00:18:22.790 --> 00:18:23.300 with switching it. 00:18:23.300 --> 00:18:25.280 It's usually us advertisers that are just 00:18:25.280 --> 00:18:28.059 trying to save money on graphic design that, have 00:18:28.059 --> 00:18:28.929 a budget, to be blunt. 00:18:29.229 --> 00:18:30.489 It doesn't say self-defense. 00:18:30.489 --> 00:18:31.239 It says violence. 00:18:31.659 --> 00:18:32.629 Violence in general. 00:18:32.840 --> 00:18:33.549 Violence in general. 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:34.620 Most of them are just listing. 00:18:34.620 --> 00:18:36.509 Does that count as violence against animals? 00:18:36.590 --> 00:18:36.929 Right. 00:18:37.690 --> 00:18:39.210 I don't think so, cause when you actually read. 00:18:39.210 --> 00:18:40.070 Like what are we're talking about here. 00:18:40.070 --> 00:18:41.969 The law, I think it says violence perpetrated 00:18:41.969 --> 00:18:44.340 against persons, is actually in the, cause 00:18:44.340 --> 00:18:46.529 I know the parliamentary summary says that, but 00:18:46.529 --> 00:18:48.600 in the actual legislation says against persons, 00:18:49.110 --> 00:18:50.060 because I remember thinking like what 00:18:50.060 --> 00:18:50.789 about bear defense. 00:18:50.789 --> 00:18:52.499 Cause Marlin's always run some big 00:18:52.499 --> 00:18:53.340 bear defense ads. 00:18:53.669 --> 00:18:54.989 Just hunting in general really. 00:18:55.669 --> 00:18:56.590 Kind of violent animal. 00:18:56.590 --> 00:19:00.360 Um, my bigger concern, however, is that in a 00:19:00.360 --> 00:19:01.889 really fundamental way, like let's, let's say 00:19:01.889 --> 00:19:03.330 a C-21 Liberals win. 00:19:03.370 --> 00:19:04.230 This is what's going to happen. 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:06.840 If the liberals win C-21 would likely be expanded 00:19:06.840 --> 00:19:08.310 to include additional things because they 00:19:08.310 --> 00:19:10.530 won't just roll the same thing out post-campaign. 00:19:10.530 --> 00:19:12.000 They'll need to give some fresh meat to 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.500 the base to try and get them on next time. 00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:14.879 So there'll be something else, something 00:19:15.300 --> 00:19:16.110 stupid and bad. 00:19:17.379 --> 00:19:21.580 Um, probably some kind of handgun limitation, 00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:22.750 something around there. 00:19:22.770 --> 00:19:24.480 They won't buy 'em back, but they'll try and get, 00:19:24.750 --> 00:19:26.790 handguns are still the thing that are not on the 00:19:26.790 --> 00:19:27.590 table for the Liberals. 00:19:27.590 --> 00:19:28.479 So they'll find some way of putting them 00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:32.300 on the table and, but moot point anyways, 00:19:32.370 --> 00:19:34.409 at the end of the day, the municipal handgun 00:19:34.409 --> 00:19:35.070 gotten ban, right? 00:19:35.700 --> 00:19:38.280 What's the one thing that every gun club 00:19:38.669 --> 00:19:40.860 has a problem with in Canada right now? 00:19:41.575 --> 00:19:44.335 It is real estate development encroachment, 00:19:44.875 --> 00:19:47.335 and the encroachment taking the form of 00:19:47.335 --> 00:19:48.055 noise complaints. 00:19:48.305 --> 00:19:49.615 You see it nationally. 00:19:49.615 --> 00:19:51.055 Port Coquitl- like, there's not a major 00:19:51.085 --> 00:19:53.155 urban center where, and major urban centers 00:19:53.155 --> 00:19:54.685 are the fastest growing areas in Canada. 00:19:55.284 --> 00:19:56.745 So the cities are expanding faster 00:19:56.754 --> 00:19:57.595 than the rural areas. 00:19:57.865 --> 00:19:59.125 They're encroaching onto where the gun 00:19:59.125 --> 00:20:00.865 clubs used to be out in the boondocks. 00:20:01.645 --> 00:20:04.495 And now the developers who just by virtue of 00:20:04.495 --> 00:20:06.145 having a lot of money and being in a world 00:20:06.145 --> 00:20:08.005 where they have to interface with municipal 00:20:08.005 --> 00:20:09.715 politicians on a daily basis to get zoning 00:20:09.715 --> 00:20:12.355 permits, those have been disposed developer. 00:20:12.355 --> 00:20:13.765 Those real estate developers are closer 00:20:13.765 --> 00:20:17.185 to municipal staff and council, then gun club 00:20:17.365 --> 00:20:20.455 executive is, and when you read these things and 00:20:20.455 --> 00:20:24.835 you go, okay, well, if the municipalities can 00:20:24.835 --> 00:20:25.825 shut stuff down, right? 00:20:27.295 --> 00:20:30.145 What, how long has it, I mean, before every city 00:20:30.145 --> 00:20:33.804 council in Canada decides that it's just easier 00:20:33.804 --> 00:20:36.355 to allow the gun club to go bankrupt by shutting 00:20:36.355 --> 00:20:39.835 down handguns, because most clubs make their 00:20:39.835 --> 00:20:42.054 money off of restricted ownership, right? 00:20:42.054 --> 00:20:43.855 Like if you have a restricted gun license, 00:20:43.855 --> 00:20:45.685 you don't technically have to have a gun 00:20:45.685 --> 00:20:47.514 club membership, but most people it's the 00:20:47.514 --> 00:20:49.165 easiest way, so most people just maintain 00:20:49.165 --> 00:20:50.425 a gun club membership because they have a 00:20:50.425 --> 00:20:51.235 restricted license. 00:20:51.955 --> 00:20:53.215 If they get rid of municipal handgun 00:20:53.215 --> 00:20:56.245 ownership, the local clubs that retain 00:20:56.245 --> 00:20:58.180 membership because that's what the local 00:20:58.180 --> 00:21:00.340 restricted owners belong to to maintain their 00:21:00.340 --> 00:21:01.210 hand gun possession. 00:21:01.210 --> 00:21:02.590 They may only shoot three times a year, I 00:21:02.590 --> 00:21:04.330 was that guy, when I first got into shooting, 00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:05.290 I got a hand gun. 00:21:05.290 --> 00:21:06.250 I belong to the Abbotsford Fish 00:21:06.250 --> 00:21:06.730 and Game Club. 00:21:06.770 --> 00:21:08.470 I shot like three times a year, but I 00:21:08.470 --> 00:21:09.129 still was a member. 00:21:09.129 --> 00:21:10.810 I paid my 200 bucks because I owned a handgun 00:21:10.810 --> 00:21:11.500 and I had to have it. 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:13.629 I had to have a license at our club 00:21:13.629 --> 00:21:14.410 on my license right. 00:21:14.830 --> 00:21:16.150 If they pass the municipal band, the 00:21:16.150 --> 00:21:17.710 officer fish and game club can't operate 00:21:17.710 --> 00:21:19.659 because Abbotsford fish and game, abbotsford 00:21:19.659 --> 00:21:21.129 city council says no more handguns. 00:21:21.669 --> 00:21:23.350 The Abbotsford Fish and Game Club will lose its 00:21:23.350 --> 00:21:25.689 membership within years. 00:21:25.689 --> 00:21:27.489 Like the restricted guys that currently make up 00:21:27.489 --> 00:21:29.019 the cohort of Abbotsford Tactical Shooters and 00:21:29.019 --> 00:21:30.519 all the handgun stuff, all the IPSC stuff, all 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.620 those core cohort of guys that you always 00:21:32.620 --> 00:21:34.179 see at the gun club when you go shooting. 00:21:34.479 --> 00:21:36.850 The guys that used to shoot the AR-15's there, 00:21:37.209 --> 00:21:39.610 they shoot the handguns there now, they won't be 00:21:39.610 --> 00:21:41.499 there, and that means the gun club won't be there. 00:21:41.889 --> 00:21:43.995 And when you look at the larger, I mean real 00:21:43.995 --> 00:21:45.555 estate is still the fastest growing and the 00:21:45.555 --> 00:21:48.795 only economic sector that is growing at a time 00:21:48.795 --> 00:21:51.285 when Canada's economy is basically looking like 00:21:51.285 --> 00:21:52.215 it's going to crater. 00:21:52.875 --> 00:21:55.495 So in what world do you see city councils putting 00:21:55.495 --> 00:21:57.885 gun clubs over real estate developers with 00:21:57.885 --> 00:22:00.285 millions of dollars of development potential? 00:22:01.185 --> 00:22:02.655 Like you've got a club of maybe three to 00:22:02.655 --> 00:22:06.925 400, maybe five, 6,000 people, 12,000 people, 00:22:06.925 --> 00:22:08.844 if you're Burlington and Ontario, and you're in 00:22:08.844 --> 00:22:12.354 the densest area, what do 12,000 people paying 00:22:12.354 --> 00:22:14.514 a few hundred bucks in a sport that, if you're 00:22:14.514 --> 00:22:16.915 a politician looks like it's on the dying edge 00:22:16.915 --> 00:22:19.884 of things, versus a real estate developer saying 00:22:19.884 --> 00:22:22.410 I can put in on an 80 acre plot, how many 00:22:22.410 --> 00:22:23.250 towers can they install? 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:24.510 How many, how many apartment buildings 00:22:24.510 --> 00:22:26.970 at $600,000 per unit can they build. 00:22:27.840 --> 00:22:30.180 Gun clubs do not have a chance against 00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:30.990 that kind of might. 00:22:30.990 --> 00:22:33.570 And I'm one of those people that if you put a 00:22:33.600 --> 00:22:35.730 bad thing out there and you make it possible for 00:22:35.730 --> 00:22:38.430 it to happen, eventually it will happen. 00:22:39.090 --> 00:22:42.120 Every day, the universe hits reset, Groundhog day 00:22:42.120 --> 00:22:44.220 runs over again, and that might happen again today, 00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:45.990 and eventually it will. 00:22:46.675 --> 00:22:49.435 So if they pass this law that saying of every 00:22:49.435 --> 00:22:50.754 hammer, when you're a hammer, everything 00:22:50.754 --> 00:22:51.384 looks like a nail. 00:22:51.864 --> 00:22:53.154 Every gun club will eventually 00:22:53.154 --> 00:22:53.784 look like a nail. 00:22:54.235 --> 00:22:56.334 And it, I don't care if you're the Burlington 00:22:56.334 --> 00:22:57.294 Gun Club peel. 00:22:57.324 --> 00:22:59.094 If you're right in the middle of a downtown, 00:22:59.124 --> 00:23:00.925 urban, Southern Ontario area, or if 00:23:00.925 --> 00:23:01.554 you're in Fort St. 00:23:01.554 --> 00:23:04.975 John, at some point that city that you live in, 00:23:05.034 --> 00:23:06.925 that you drive out of to get to your gun club. 00:23:07.164 --> 00:23:09.624 If they pass this ban to get rid of your gun club, 00:23:09.774 --> 00:23:10.705 you'll never get it back. 00:23:10.975 --> 00:23:13.435 And once the gun clubs are gone, I mean that 00:23:13.435 --> 00:23:15.024 doesn't even get into the issue around gun shops. 00:23:15.199 --> 00:23:16.790 I mean gun shops in Canada, we don't get 00:23:16.790 --> 00:23:18.110 the benefit of the big box stores that 00:23:18.110 --> 00:23:19.820 have the support of selling fishing gear. 00:23:19.820 --> 00:23:21.949 Like Cabela's can sell less guns because 00:23:21.949 --> 00:23:23.090 they sell fishing gear and boats and 00:23:23.090 --> 00:23:23.689 all this other stuff. 00:23:23.689 --> 00:23:25.370 So if they ban one gun, Cabela's just 00:23:25.370 --> 00:23:27.399 sells more Gore-Tex jackets offset it. 00:23:28.510 --> 00:23:30.100 But our local gun shops, the guys that we 00:23:30.100 --> 00:23:31.200 all love and rely on. 00:23:31.950 --> 00:23:33.879 You know, those independent shops. 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:36.310 If they been handguns in the city of Vancouver, 00:23:36.340 --> 00:23:38.649 we all know of various gun shops that would 00:23:38.649 --> 00:23:41.845 probably really have a hard time making 00:23:41.845 --> 00:23:42.865 that work, you know. 00:23:43.435 --> 00:23:45.325 Um, they would probably be able to 00:23:45.325 --> 00:23:46.165 keep the lights on. 00:23:46.225 --> 00:23:48.145 We see that in Australia, a lot of shops did manage 00:23:48.145 --> 00:23:51.264 to stay open, but there was a massive reduction 00:23:51.325 --> 00:23:52.225 in overall volume. 00:23:52.465 --> 00:23:56.125 Um, and I think that's where, like this isn't, 00:23:56.155 --> 00:23:57.985 we're not looking at the guy that has 00:23:57.985 --> 00:23:59.935 the 30-30 Winchester that goes, this 00:23:59.935 --> 00:24:00.715 doesn't matter to me. 00:24:00.774 --> 00:24:02.665 Like you're not going to have anywhere to 00:24:02.665 --> 00:24:03.534 sight your rifle in. 00:24:04.044 --> 00:24:04.885 You're not going to have anywhere to 00:24:04.885 --> 00:24:05.935 shoot sporting clays. 00:24:06.415 --> 00:24:07.555 You're not going to have a retailer to 00:24:07.555 --> 00:24:09.475 bring in the latest version of that ammo 00:24:09.475 --> 00:24:10.225 that you wanted. 00:24:10.315 --> 00:24:13.620 Like, we will become a third rate nation of 00:24:13.620 --> 00:24:16.169 gun owners that just get stuff because you 00:24:16.169 --> 00:24:17.459 know, for a little while there, it was nice. 00:24:17.459 --> 00:24:18.909 We were climbing, the market was climbing, we 00:24:18.909 --> 00:24:20.639 were getting more stuff out of the US and we all 00:24:20.639 --> 00:24:21.610 saw we'd go to SHOT Show. 00:24:21.629 --> 00:24:23.340 Readers may not know this , listeners rather, 00:24:23.850 --> 00:24:25.259 but like, we all go to SHOT Show every year 00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:26.879 and we talked to US distributors and it was 00:24:26.879 --> 00:24:29.939 finally reaching a point under primarily Trump 00:24:29.939 --> 00:24:31.679 because the US sales were kind of leveling 00:24:31.679 --> 00:24:33.120 off that earlier. 00:24:34.399 --> 00:24:35.735 That Canada was getting some respect 00:24:35.735 --> 00:24:36.524 from the US market. 00:24:36.524 --> 00:24:37.804 And we were starting to see some product come 00:24:37.804 --> 00:24:39.965 out more timely fashions and were seeing little 00:24:39.965 --> 00:24:43.314 things like product managers would start to 00:24:43.314 --> 00:24:45.144 send emails to Canadians and say, Oh, look at 00:24:45.144 --> 00:24:46.614 this new thing that's coming out of America. 00:24:47.544 --> 00:24:49.824 Um, now with this new law, we're just going 00:24:49.824 --> 00:24:51.294 to become another ulcer because that's 00:24:51.294 --> 00:24:52.465 what they thought of us as though we're the 00:24:52.465 --> 00:24:54.245 weird country that you can't own an AR-15. 00:24:54.264 --> 00:24:55.945 And then once we started to adopt these modern 00:24:55.945 --> 00:24:58.044 firearms and adopt modern shooting and go 00:24:58.044 --> 00:25:00.354 like, Oh yeah, 3Gun is a perfectly viable sport. 00:25:00.354 --> 00:25:02.044 People start loving it and doing it a bunch. 00:25:02.425 --> 00:25:03.764 Ryan Stacey I mean, I remember Ryan. 00:25:03.764 --> 00:25:07.315 I mean, I've known Ryan for years, like 00:25:07.495 --> 00:25:08.675 predating even Calibre. 00:25:09.025 --> 00:25:10.495 And when he was shooting for the BCRs, like, 00:25:10.495 --> 00:25:11.635 I remember thinking like, who does this 00:25:11.635 --> 00:25:12.535 weird obscure sport? 00:25:13.345 --> 00:25:14.155 This is going back probably 00:25:14.155 --> 00:25:15.315 14, 15 years now. 00:25:15.315 --> 00:25:15.514 Yep. 00:25:15.514 --> 00:25:17.665 And I was like, who does this? 00:25:17.845 --> 00:25:21.264 Now, it's super main, it's not mainstream per 00:25:21.264 --> 00:25:22.915 se, but it's way more mainstream than it was. 00:25:22.945 --> 00:25:23.125 Yeah. 00:25:23.335 --> 00:25:24.655 Like I'm sure when Ryan tells I'd be 00:25:24.655 --> 00:25:25.185 curious, right? 00:25:25.195 --> 00:25:26.725 Like when you talk to people, your backgrounds 00:25:26.725 --> 00:25:28.405 and you're shooting Bisley and stuff. 00:25:28.825 --> 00:25:30.745 Now, when you first got into it and you 00:25:30.745 --> 00:25:33.025 first started being successful, like 10, 00:25:33.085 --> 00:25:36.145 12, 14 years ago with the PCRs, like has, have 00:25:36.145 --> 00:25:37.825 you, have you noticed like a shifting attitude 00:25:37.825 --> 00:25:39.415 amongst the general population when you 00:25:39.415 --> 00:25:40.195 talk about what you do? 00:25:40.425 --> 00:25:40.935 I think so. 00:25:40.935 --> 00:25:41.145 Yeah. 00:25:41.145 --> 00:25:43.725 I mean, it's a lot more acceptable um. 00:25:44.394 --> 00:25:44.905 By the time I was. 00:25:44.905 --> 00:25:46.764 Cause if you like the John Wick, the Jerry 00:25:46.764 --> 00:25:48.175 Mitchellick videos, the. 00:25:48.445 --> 00:25:49.134 Oh yeah, totally. 00:25:49.134 --> 00:25:49.254 I mean. 00:25:49.254 --> 00:25:50.544 All the Terran videos that are out 00:25:50.544 --> 00:25:51.534 there, everyone has. 00:25:51.534 --> 00:25:53.120 Yep, media has a huge. 00:25:53.120 --> 00:25:53.438 What's it called? 00:25:53.438 --> 00:25:53.965 Keanu Reeves. 00:25:54.144 --> 00:25:54.414 Yeah. 00:25:54.445 --> 00:25:56.034 The Keanu Reeves shredding video like. 00:25:56.804 --> 00:25:57.945 I mean, that's not even really what 00:25:57.945 --> 00:25:59.094 I do, but, uh. 00:25:59.094 --> 00:26:01.974 No, but I think that's what, like you say, they 00:26:01.995 --> 00:26:02.905 have a comprehension. 00:26:02.905 --> 00:26:04.304 Yeah, they understand it now more than 00:26:04.304 --> 00:26:04.995 they did before. 00:26:05.654 --> 00:26:07.394 Because I think before, if you told people I do 00:26:07.394 --> 00:26:08.564 competitive shooting, I don't think they 00:26:08.564 --> 00:26:09.735 even had a frame of reference of what 00:26:09.735 --> 00:26:10.304 that would look like. 00:26:10.364 --> 00:26:12.164 Like obviously what you do, doesn't look like 00:26:12.164 --> 00:26:14.995 what taran does know, but I don't think people had 00:26:15.004 --> 00:26:16.075 any idea of what it was. 00:26:16.105 --> 00:26:17.995 I think if you said that you were, you're a 00:26:17.995 --> 00:26:20.185 competitive shooter and you used an AR 15 people 00:26:20.185 --> 00:26:21.894 would look at it like 'what?' That, isn't that 00:26:21.894 --> 00:26:23.024 just for military people? 00:26:23.024 --> 00:26:24.585 And I think that relates to like, I mean, with 00:26:24.585 --> 00:26:26.835 the OIC, which you guys are both applicants on 00:26:27.105 --> 00:26:31.365 and, and the, the, um, the recent decision there 00:26:31.425 --> 00:26:33.345 for the injunction and I, that was relating 00:26:33.345 --> 00:26:34.185 to culture right. 00:26:34.284 --> 00:26:37.405 And I remember when that came down and I heard 00:26:37.405 --> 00:26:38.475 about it, I thought about the culture 00:26:38.475 --> 00:26:40.870 argument, and I thought, you know, like, It's 00:26:40.870 --> 00:26:41.530 really interesting. 00:26:41.770 --> 00:26:42.700 Like, it's really interesting to me 00:26:42.700 --> 00:26:45.130 that the courts are saying that they're 00:26:45.130 --> 00:26:47.140 not seeing a culture here that's being. 00:26:47.140 --> 00:26:48.160 They're just not looking hard enough. 00:26:48.940 --> 00:26:49.330 Reduce. 00:26:49.330 --> 00:26:49.540 I mean. 00:26:49.930 --> 00:26:50.320 It's there. 00:26:51.100 --> 00:26:53.830 I mean, it's, it's, I all say for me, like 00:26:53.860 --> 00:26:55.390 it's a bit tragic because it feels like a bit 00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:57.490 of a two-time thing, because like I said, like 00:26:57.490 --> 00:26:58.720 I'm a, I'm a car guy. 00:26:58.750 --> 00:27:00.340 I like guns, but I'm a car guy first 00:27:00.340 --> 00:27:01.750 and foremost, I don't hide that. 00:27:02.320 --> 00:27:04.719 Um, always have been, always will be. 00:27:04.810 --> 00:27:08.199 And for me, it's really sad too. 00:27:08.219 --> 00:27:09.699 I came out of the automotive sector 00:27:09.699 --> 00:27:10.840 after the end of the Molson Indy. 00:27:10.840 --> 00:27:12.499 I used to, I used to work Molson Indy, I was 00:27:12.499 --> 00:27:13.270 press, I went down there. 00:27:13.270 --> 00:27:14.679 It was like the greatest weekend of my life. 00:27:14.709 --> 00:27:16.179 Like we spend all weekend in a race 00:27:16.179 --> 00:27:17.080 paddock is great. 00:27:17.800 --> 00:27:21.250 Um, and I remember the same arguments because 00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:23.260 the city council of Vancouver, ironically 00:27:23.260 --> 00:27:25.810 municipal politics game, and the advertising ban 00:27:25.810 --> 00:27:27.430 around alcohol and all those things are all, 00:27:27.430 --> 00:27:29.050 we don't want these sponsorships of tobacco 00:27:29.050 --> 00:27:31.150 and alcohol in the public eye, was leading to the 00:27:31.150 --> 00:27:33.850 exact same discussions of, well motor sports 00:27:33.850 --> 00:27:34.780 isn't really a sport. 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:36.040 We really shouldn't be promoting, this 00:27:36.040 --> 00:27:38.140 is bad for the environment, so noisy. 00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:41.530 Literally the exact same arguments that I'm now 00:27:41.530 --> 00:27:42.790 hearing around guns. 00:27:43.900 --> 00:27:45.940 And it's so tragic to me that the people 00:27:45.940 --> 00:27:47.290 in the gun community aren't seeing it 00:27:47.290 --> 00:27:50.110 because the thing that's happened to cars. 00:27:50.110 --> 00:27:53.120 Car guys will understand this, in the lower 00:27:53.139 --> 00:27:54.550 mainland, for example, there was a Westwood 00:27:54.550 --> 00:27:55.209 Racing Circuit. 00:27:55.209 --> 00:27:57.100 It was big enough that Al Unser Sr 00:27:57.129 --> 00:27:59.229 race there, it was a global racing circuit. 00:27:59.229 --> 00:28:00.820 It's currently a real estate development on the 00:28:00.820 --> 00:28:03.009 top of Port Coquitlam, a little bit down from 00:28:03.009 --> 00:28:04.209 the Port Coquitlam Fish and Game Club. 00:28:04.239 --> 00:28:05.379 If you actually look on Google maps at 00:28:05.379 --> 00:28:07.029 Westwood Plateau Real Estate Development, 00:28:08.080 --> 00:28:09.310 if you look at the perimeter, it looks like 00:28:09.310 --> 00:28:11.129 a racetrack because it is the old racetrack. 00:28:11.360 --> 00:28:12.620 Hmm, interesting. 00:28:13.370 --> 00:28:14.965 The exact same things are happening. 00:28:14.965 --> 00:28:16.705 And Port Coquitlam Fish and Game Club is on the 00:28:16.705 --> 00:28:20.965 same freaking road as Westwood was and they're 00:28:20.965 --> 00:28:22.645 looking at closing because of real estate 00:28:22.645 --> 00:28:23.754 development encroachment. 00:28:24.085 --> 00:28:26.784 Because again they're, it's a cultural thing 00:28:26.784 --> 00:28:29.635 because I hate to say it, gun owners are not 00:28:29.635 --> 00:28:31.675 doing themselves any favors with this rapid 00:28:31.675 --> 00:28:33.850 leap angry rhetoric. 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.909 We have to reach out, we have to recognize 00:28:36.909 --> 00:28:38.080 we are the minority. 00:28:38.110 --> 00:28:41.790 We don't have the power to change the massive 00:28:41.790 --> 00:28:43.500 amounts of people's opinions by simply 00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:47.280 saying, you know, we own guns and like, it's okay, 00:28:47.280 --> 00:28:48.000 we're not a problem. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:48.990 It's not enough to say that. 00:28:49.649 --> 00:28:50.590 Because I've seen it a lot, it's something 00:28:50.610 --> 00:28:51.940 I've brought up, like I've thought about a lot 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.820 recently because of the C-21 debate and I see 00:28:53.820 --> 00:28:55.560 people bring up a lot that they're targeting. 00:28:55.860 --> 00:28:57.629 They're targeting legal gun owners has been a 00:28:57.629 --> 00:29:00.249 very common refrain in the media that I've seen. 00:29:00.790 --> 00:29:02.439 Um, or gun owners saying, you know, 00:29:02.439 --> 00:29:04.209 they're victimizing legal gun owners when 00:29:04.209 --> 00:29:05.139 they take our guns away. 00:29:07.525 --> 00:29:09.995 And I think, I get it, I do, it's possi-, 00:29:10.294 --> 00:29:12.145 as a gun owner, yeah, they absolutely are. 00:29:12.145 --> 00:29:13.405 That is an absolute truth. 00:29:13.435 --> 00:29:14.875 But there's a point too, where you have to 00:29:14.875 --> 00:29:17.545 recognize it within, uh, within the context 00:29:17.545 --> 00:29:20.005 of the discussion around, around guns. 00:29:20.365 --> 00:29:21.595 When you think that the discussion around 00:29:21.625 --> 00:29:23.395 gun policy is actually a discussion of 00:29:23.395 --> 00:29:24.475 public safety policy. 00:29:26.085 --> 00:29:28.545 When you've got a cohort of people that 00:29:28.545 --> 00:29:30.495 are involved in the discussion, whether we 00:29:30.495 --> 00:29:32.415 like it or not saying we're the victims were 00:29:32.415 --> 00:29:34.035 being targeted and. 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:35.850 And the people are, and then you've got a 00:29:35.850 --> 00:29:37.870 third, the third party, you've got the anti gun 00:29:37.870 --> 00:29:39.790 and the pro-gun people saying, you know, we're 00:29:39.790 --> 00:29:41.520 being targeted, we're law, abiding gun owners, 00:29:41.520 --> 00:29:42.159 it's not our fault. 00:29:42.159 --> 00:29:43.449 And then you've got the pro the anti-gun 00:29:43.459 --> 00:29:45.000 people saying, Nope, guns are the problem, 00:29:45.030 --> 00:29:45.699 get rid of all guns. 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:47.980 The massive amount of people involved 00:29:47.980 --> 00:29:49.300 in this debate are on the sidelines, 00:29:49.300 --> 00:29:50.439 just watching, right. 00:29:50.830 --> 00:29:52.389 And what they're watching is a bunch of 00:29:52.389 --> 00:29:55.760 anti-gun people make frankly very emotional 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:57.080 rabbit-end pleas. 00:29:57.270 --> 00:29:59.679 Logically inconsistent arguments that don't 00:29:59.679 --> 00:30:03.070 stand up on their own and gun owners making, to be 00:30:03.070 --> 00:30:06.370 totally frank, equally emotional, sometimes 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.740 equally illogical arguments in response. 00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:10.690 Instead of being the rational voice and going 00:30:11.170 --> 00:30:14.320 Hmm, when it comes to a discussion of young kids 00:30:14.350 --> 00:30:16.659 killing themselves and each other in the streets 00:30:16.659 --> 00:30:18.970 with illegal firearms over drugs, because they 00:30:18.970 --> 00:30:22.870 have no better possible outcomes in their life 00:30:22.870 --> 00:30:25.750 than a potential being killed in an alleyway, 00:30:26.290 --> 00:30:28.810 making tiny sums of cash selling dime bags. 00:30:28.810 --> 00:30:30.400 Cause I hate to say it, but street-level dealers 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:31.450 do not make a killing. 00:30:31.780 --> 00:30:33.730 These are, these are truly marginalized 00:30:33.730 --> 00:30:37.045 people living unfortunate existences that none 00:30:37.045 --> 00:30:38.784 of us would wish upon our best, our worst 00:30:38.784 --> 00:30:40.795 enemies, nevermind anyone in our family. 00:30:41.695 --> 00:30:43.645 Um, those are the people that are also involved 00:30:43.645 --> 00:30:45.145 in this discussion and gun owners are so 00:30:45.145 --> 00:30:46.915 constantly trying to say, it's not our fault, 00:30:46.915 --> 00:30:48.235 it's not our fault, not our fault, because 00:30:48.235 --> 00:30:51.685 we, we are kind of been targeted in the past 00:30:51.685 --> 00:30:53.965 that it's almost like we've lost sight of our 00:30:53.965 --> 00:30:54.864 role in this discussion. 00:30:55.574 --> 00:30:59.415 Is to be the arbiters to say, look as the legal 00:30:59.415 --> 00:31:02.429 gun owners as the experts on the laws around gun 00:31:02.429 --> 00:31:04.469 ownership, I'm not here to tell you that I'm 00:31:04.469 --> 00:31:05.490 a victim or a target. 00:31:05.550 --> 00:31:06.870 We don't have a right, it is a risk. 00:31:06.929 --> 00:31:07.290 It is. 00:31:07.830 --> 00:31:08.610 It's just not a right. 00:31:08.610 --> 00:31:10.199 It's not a government, right bestowed upon 00:31:10.199 --> 00:31:11.130 us to own firearms. 00:31:11.280 --> 00:31:15.570 We have to make our case with diplomacy and I 00:31:15.570 --> 00:31:16.500 don't see that anymore. 00:31:16.530 --> 00:31:19.570 And it's, it's, it doesn't work. 00:31:19.600 --> 00:31:22.480 We're we're, it's, it's, it's problematic 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.090 to me I guess, because I just don't, it's, 00:31:24.090 --> 00:31:24.700 it's really hard. 00:31:24.700 --> 00:31:26.889 Cause I have to confront the journalists right. 00:31:27.429 --> 00:31:29.380 Because what I'm saying is when I see the, this 00:31:29.389 --> 00:31:31.420 is getting awkward now, but I'll just leave all 00:31:31.420 --> 00:31:32.320 this in if you want but. 00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:36.940 Fundamentally I think it has to be said, I 00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:38.560 don't mind that people might not like hearing 00:31:38.560 --> 00:31:40.900 this, but let's just put it in the context of, 00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:42.580 I do a media interview, did one last week. 00:31:43.465 --> 00:31:45.205 And a guy goes, okay, well, this guy online, 00:31:45.505 --> 00:31:47.155 you know, the guillotine comment, right? 00:31:48.265 --> 00:31:49.255 Yeah, it was pretty extreme. 00:31:49.375 --> 00:31:50.785 I don't, I don't think that we should be talking 00:31:50.785 --> 00:31:51.985 about breaking the guillotine out quite yet. 00:31:52.365 --> 00:31:53.745 Um, the Liberal's havent' actually. 00:31:53.745 --> 00:31:54.265 Is that a thing? 00:31:54.305 --> 00:31:55.155 I must have missed that. 00:31:55.565 --> 00:31:57.015 Yeah, there was a thing where some people 00:31:57.015 --> 00:31:58.635 made public comments, because of course on 00:31:58.635 --> 00:32:01.335 the media, they do have access to social media, 00:32:01.335 --> 00:32:03.255 so of course they're trolling the same. 00:32:03.765 --> 00:32:05.265 I don't mean trolling as in like they're typing 00:32:05.265 --> 00:32:06.285 out and trolling, I mean they're trolling 00:32:06.285 --> 00:32:07.035 as in you're fishing. 00:32:08.425 --> 00:32:09.835 They're looking for comments, right? 00:32:10.045 --> 00:32:11.815 And I, same thing, you want to talk about 00:32:11.815 --> 00:32:12.565 how high this goes? 00:32:13.315 --> 00:32:14.995 Not to sound like that sounds super conspiracy. 00:32:14.995 --> 00:32:15.645 Here it comes! 00:32:15.715 --> 00:32:17.290 By Alex Jones, tinfoil hat. 00:32:17.290 --> 00:32:17.410 Yeah. 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.215 When I was giving my testimony on C-71 at 00:32:20.215 --> 00:32:24.250 the Senate, Senator Mary Lou, um, I won't say your 00:32:24.250 --> 00:32:25.510 last name, cause I can't even remember it, but I 00:32:25.510 --> 00:32:27.520 remember first name cause it's the only Mary Lou 00:32:27.520 --> 00:32:28.480 I've ever met in my life. 00:32:29.140 --> 00:32:32.470 Um, she literally made a point of every 00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:34.150 single pro-gun witness. 00:32:34.540 --> 00:32:36.490 She had gone extensively through their social 00:32:36.490 --> 00:32:38.650 media backgrounds, including as far as 00:32:38.650 --> 00:32:40.600 when the president of a local gun club was 00:32:40.600 --> 00:32:41.560 called to testify. 00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:44.470 She had gone through the gun clubs Facebook 00:32:44.470 --> 00:32:46.650 page, and she tried to make him answer for 00:32:46.650 --> 00:32:48.780 comments left by gun club members and by 00:32:48.780 --> 00:32:50.760 the gun club, executive posting comments that 00:32:50.760 --> 00:32:52.710 he didn't leave on the Facebook page himself. 00:32:53.610 --> 00:32:56.220 So that's the level to which those of 00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:57.570 us that I think the government referred 00:32:57.570 --> 00:32:58.780 to as stakeholders,ie. 00:32:59.180 --> 00:33:02.220 people that have skin in the game, when it comes 00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:03.900 to all these things, or have at least a large 00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:05.130 background of research. 00:33:05.820 --> 00:33:09.000 Um, those individuals, like we're being 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.410 forced to answer for what everyone is 00:33:10.410 --> 00:33:11.040 putting out there. 00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:13.110 And I'm frankly getting really tired of people, 00:33:13.110 --> 00:33:15.745 putting it out there that justin Trudeau is 00:33:15.745 --> 00:33:17.575 going to kick my door down and put me in 00:33:17.575 --> 00:33:18.565 the back of an MLVW. 00:33:19.045 --> 00:33:21.175 And what drive me to the Vernon cadet 00:33:21.295 --> 00:33:23.755 summer training camp for imprisonment? 00:33:24.655 --> 00:33:26.395 There's, it's getting a bit, you 00:33:26.395 --> 00:33:27.565 know, this is a law. 00:33:27.715 --> 00:33:28.885 We are a nation of laws. 00:33:28.885 --> 00:33:30.655 When I see people on my own Facebook page on 00:33:30.655 --> 00:33:33.085 Calibre saying when I say he can't, he's not, 00:33:33.175 --> 00:33:35.665 it's unlikely that he can pass this in 55 days. 00:33:35.665 --> 00:33:36.685 And I go, well he's and then people go, oh well 00:33:37.214 --> 00:33:38.324 he'll, you'll see it. 00:33:38.424 --> 00:33:39.775 And I go, well he can't, that's legally 00:33:39.775 --> 00:33:41.375 impossible, it's unconstitutional.He'll 00:33:41.514 --> 00:33:42.145 do it anyways. 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:44.799 No he won't, like, this is very much 00:33:44.830 --> 00:33:46.630 not something he can possibly do. 00:33:47.350 --> 00:33:49.659 And I think that we, as gun owners need to strive 00:33:49.659 --> 00:33:51.190 to elevate our discourse. 00:33:51.190 --> 00:33:52.900 And when I say that, I mean, everyone's 00:33:53.350 --> 00:33:56.290 fucking discourse needs to go up a notch or 00:33:56.290 --> 00:33:58.330 two, and they need to start thinking like, 00:33:58.360 --> 00:34:00.489 instead of punching down when you see comments 00:34:00.489 --> 00:34:02.139 from anti-gun people that make you angry. 00:34:02.770 --> 00:34:04.860 If you feel angry, do what you would tell 00:34:04.860 --> 00:34:06.750 your five-year-old to do, walk away. 00:34:07.330 --> 00:34:09.370 Come back with a clear head, come back with 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.380 good arguments, come back with arguments that 00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:13.570 make the people watching on the sidelines think 00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:14.530 you're the professional. 00:34:14.950 --> 00:34:16.420 I mean, it's basic stuff, like even little 00:34:16.420 --> 00:34:18.190 things on interviews where you watch. 00:34:18.610 --> 00:34:19.960 And I won't name names because they're 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:21.820 out there, but watch interviews with some 00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:24.730 people that work at this industry, the 00:34:24.730 --> 00:34:27.880 anti-gun person shows up to do the interview. 00:34:28.090 --> 00:34:29.740 They're wearing a doctor's lab coat 00:34:29.770 --> 00:34:31.570 because it brings with it an air of authority. 00:34:31.600 --> 00:34:33.460 You see someone in a lab coat, you listen to 00:34:33.460 --> 00:34:34.150 them generally, right? 00:34:35.379 --> 00:34:37.179 The gun industry person shows up in real tree 00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:40.449 t-shirt and a John Deere hat and you kind of 00:34:40.449 --> 00:34:44.710 go, I would take that guy's advice on what 00:34:44.710 --> 00:34:45.730 brake discs to buy. 00:34:46.165 --> 00:34:49.255 You know, like it's, it's just a fundamental wear 00:34:49.255 --> 00:34:51.925 a suit, wear a tie, be the kind of person that 00:34:51.925 --> 00:34:53.155 people aspire to be. 00:34:53.155 --> 00:34:54.775 Don't be the kind of person that always has to 00:34:54.775 --> 00:34:56.125 argue for your existence. 00:34:56.695 --> 00:34:57.745 Like how much different. 00:34:57.745 --> 00:34:59.395 We always use the Swiss example, right? 00:34:59.395 --> 00:35:00.795 Everyone goes, Oh, the Swiss, everyone's got 00:35:00.805 --> 00:35:01.495 a gun in Switzerland. 00:35:02.215 --> 00:35:04.045 Everyone would probably like to be Swiss. 00:35:04.165 --> 00:35:04.585 Why? 00:35:04.645 --> 00:35:05.935 Because they have a shit load of money. 00:35:06.595 --> 00:35:07.555 They've never been in a law. 00:35:07.585 --> 00:35:09.745 Their country is pretty much as good as it 00:35:09.745 --> 00:35:13.090 gets in terms of like, good outcomes for the 00:35:13.090 --> 00:35:13.780 people that live there. 00:35:14.680 --> 00:35:17.230 It got there because people strived to 00:35:17.230 --> 00:35:18.190 make it better. 00:35:18.220 --> 00:35:20.350 They didn't strive to continuously oppose 00:35:20.350 --> 00:35:21.280 the other people. 00:35:21.790 --> 00:35:23.290 I mean, that's the, I mean, that's 00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:25.060 fundamentally my big problem is it's 00:35:25.060 --> 00:35:26.650 just, we've entered this new era of 00:35:26.650 --> 00:35:28.870 oppositional stuff and it's no one's building 00:35:28.870 --> 00:35:29.410 anything anymore. 00:35:29.410 --> 00:35:30.640 Everyone's just tearing stuff down. 00:35:31.855 --> 00:35:33.445 So, what do you see the best direction is to 00:35:33.445 --> 00:35:35.545 go when you're engaging people on social media? 00:35:35.575 --> 00:35:36.715 Just factual stuff? 00:35:36.715 --> 00:35:39.175 I mean, in, in my own personal case that 00:35:39.175 --> 00:35:41.635 doesn't seem to work in a lot of, a lot of ways. 00:35:41.635 --> 00:35:43.645 Like you can, you can lay out the facts and you 00:35:43.645 --> 00:35:45.385 can lay it all straight out and you can be 00:35:45.385 --> 00:35:47.815 polite and professional and away you go. 00:35:47.815 --> 00:35:52.535 And they still, dump in all the ridiculous 00:35:52.535 --> 00:35:53.335 stuff that, you know. 00:35:53.695 --> 00:35:55.465 Well, that's trying to fight emotion with fact. 00:35:55.495 --> 00:35:56.655 It's really what it is yeah. 00:35:57.155 --> 00:35:59.175 I guess we need to find a way to fight the emotion 00:35:59.175 --> 00:36:00.195 with our own motion. 00:36:01.090 --> 00:36:04.420 I think it's also too like, there's multiple 00:36:04.420 --> 00:36:05.820 forms of capital out there, right? 00:36:05.950 --> 00:36:07.930 Like you got, you got your time, you got your 00:36:07.930 --> 00:36:09.760 money, you got all these things at your disposal 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.290 that you can do, right? 00:36:11.830 --> 00:36:14.860 Um, and maybe it's just having a kid 00:36:14.860 --> 00:36:18.070 recently, but I mean, laying on your death 00:36:18.070 --> 00:36:22.194 bed, while responding to the doctors for 00:36:22.194 --> 00:36:26.305 protection, from guns on Twitter, be the time you 00:36:26.305 --> 00:36:27.444 appreciate having spent. 00:36:27.535 --> 00:36:30.745 Like, um, and I think that's where 00:36:30.745 --> 00:36:31.555 it comes down to. 00:36:32.394 --> 00:36:35.815 Um, It's just some people can't be 00:36:35.815 --> 00:36:36.745 convinced first off. 00:36:36.865 --> 00:36:38.215 So there's, there's certain like, there's, 00:36:38.215 --> 00:36:39.985 there's definitely a point in at this point. 00:36:40.255 --> 00:36:42.295 I think it's, it's certainly safe to say 00:36:42.805 --> 00:36:45.835 the pro gun side of social media commands 00:36:45.855 --> 00:36:48.025 a far larger audience and the anti-gun side. 00:36:48.745 --> 00:36:50.545 And the pro gun side needs to recognize, 00:36:50.845 --> 00:36:52.585 you'll recognize that Calibre pretty much 00:36:52.585 --> 00:36:56.485 never, ever, ever interacts with anyone 00:36:56.634 --> 00:36:59.005 anti gun on Twitter or Facebook or any other 00:36:59.005 --> 00:37:02.305 place because when the doctors for protection 00:37:02.305 --> 00:37:04.585 from guns had 300 followers on Twitter 00:37:05.125 --> 00:37:07.735 and Calibre has tens of thousands of people on 00:37:07.735 --> 00:37:09.384 Facebook, why the hell would I promote them? 00:37:09.985 --> 00:37:11.665 Like, why would we, even, if they say the stupidest 00:37:11.665 --> 00:37:13.545 thing, like I could, this is what happens. 00:37:13.735 --> 00:37:15.174 Cause again, people don't see this, if you 00:37:15.174 --> 00:37:17.065 look on the insight side and we'll probably, 00:37:17.065 --> 00:37:19.690 I might do my own maybe video cast or 00:37:20.170 --> 00:37:21.759 stream or something on this to show people 00:37:21.759 --> 00:37:24.009 the backend of what social media websites 00:37:24.009 --> 00:37:26.110 look like to see what works on social media. 00:37:26.650 --> 00:37:28.750 What gets traction on social media is outrage. 00:37:28.870 --> 00:37:29.650 Absolutely. 00:37:29.710 --> 00:37:30.880 The way the algorithms work. 00:37:31.670 --> 00:37:32.590 Sure, conflict. 00:37:32.680 --> 00:37:32.830 Yeah. 00:37:33.265 --> 00:37:34.134 Yeah, as again. 00:37:34.165 --> 00:37:36.435 So for way of explanation to those listening 00:37:36.455 --> 00:37:37.854 and the algorithms on social media are the 00:37:37.854 --> 00:37:40.374 things that decide what you are shown, right? 00:37:40.374 --> 00:37:42.325 Like your friends post, you know how sometimes 00:37:42.325 --> 00:37:43.744 on Facebook you'll see some things from one guy 00:37:43.765 --> 00:37:44.725 and not other things. 00:37:45.024 --> 00:37:46.245 It's the algorithm deciding you're 00:37:46.245 --> 00:37:46.845 supposed to see. 00:37:47.084 --> 00:37:49.154 It decides based on what gets lots of feedback. 00:37:49.185 --> 00:37:50.444 Now, what usually gets lots of feedback 00:37:50.444 --> 00:37:51.674 is things that have high emotional 00:37:51.674 --> 00:37:52.314 attachments, ie. 00:37:52.365 --> 00:37:53.774 things people hate or things people love. 00:37:54.765 --> 00:37:56.535 As a result, when I put up a post on Facebook 00:37:56.535 --> 00:37:58.515 saying, Hey, look at this really great new 00:37:58.515 --> 00:37:59.504 gun, it's awesome. 00:37:59.785 --> 00:38:02.725 Like great example would be, um, the first 00:38:02.725 --> 00:38:05.035 modern sporter, which was the first kind of 00:38:05.035 --> 00:38:07.465 non-restricted thing that was similar enough to 00:38:07.465 --> 00:38:12.895 an AR-15, that got like 120,000 impressions on 00:38:12.895 --> 00:38:15.265 Facebook within the first day maybe, thereabouts. 00:38:15.295 --> 00:38:16.555 That was a big, that was a big deal. 00:38:17.245 --> 00:38:20.215 Um, that video I did on C-21 got 130,000 00:38:20.215 --> 00:38:21.655 impressions in the first three hours. 00:38:22.735 --> 00:38:25.135 Everything political, everything to do with 00:38:25.165 --> 00:38:27.385 the debate always gets the most likes. 00:38:27.865 --> 00:38:30.445 So yeah, I could have absolutely shared a 00:38:30.445 --> 00:38:31.405 bunch of doctor's stuff. 00:38:31.435 --> 00:38:32.575 I could have shared a bunch of anti gun 00:38:32.575 --> 00:38:34.405 stuff and I could have gotten a whole shit 00:38:34.405 --> 00:38:35.905 load of Facebook likes and impressions, and 00:38:35.905 --> 00:38:37.285 it would have expanded Calibre, social media 00:38:37.285 --> 00:38:38.785 presence, but it also would have expanded the 00:38:38.785 --> 00:38:40.645 social media presence of those anti-gun groups, 00:38:41.515 --> 00:38:43.045 which I do actually think we are seeing a 00:38:43.045 --> 00:38:44.005 bit of the aspect of now. 00:38:44.005 --> 00:38:45.775 Those doctors for protection from guns 00:38:45.775 --> 00:38:47.425 was literally one person with a Twitter 00:38:47.425 --> 00:38:48.295 account initially. 00:38:49.255 --> 00:38:52.645 Now they have 300,000 or $200,000 from Airbnb and 00:38:53.350 --> 00:38:54.310 like they've expanded. 00:38:54.310 --> 00:38:56.440 They've they've eclipsed, both of the other groups. 00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.000 And when you look at the only thing that's 00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.590 different between doctors, any other 00:38:59.590 --> 00:39:01.990 anti-gun groups, it's a doctors has been 00:39:01.990 --> 00:39:04.390 engaged more with the, with the program groups. 00:39:05.080 --> 00:39:05.480 Interesting. 00:39:05.500 --> 00:39:06.670 They choose to, they both do. 00:39:06.970 --> 00:39:08.560 The pro-gun groups, engage the doctors and 00:39:08.560 --> 00:39:10.300 the doctors engaged with the anti gun groups 00:39:10.390 --> 00:39:11.650 or per vice-versa. 00:39:11.680 --> 00:39:13.570 This is getting very complicated, but you 00:39:13.570 --> 00:39:14.020 know what I'm saying. 00:39:14.380 --> 00:39:17.229 Um, The doctors are engaging and it's, and 00:39:17.229 --> 00:39:19.149 there everyone is feeding off it cause it does, 00:39:19.600 --> 00:39:21.910 I think on both ends, I think people are seeing 00:39:22.029 --> 00:39:23.950 social media growth and they're interpreting 00:39:23.950 --> 00:39:27.080 that as success when Twitter still hasn't 00:39:27.100 --> 00:39:28.240 made a profit, you know. 00:39:29.799 --> 00:39:31.899 Social media is only social media is not, it's 00:39:31.899 --> 00:39:33.040 not actual legislation. 00:39:33.279 --> 00:39:34.509 I don't think a gun owner out there would 00:39:34.509 --> 00:39:35.979 say we've made progress on gun rights in 00:39:35.979 --> 00:39:36.759 the last five years. 00:39:36.790 --> 00:39:37.930 You know, it's not, we haven't. 00:39:38.470 --> 00:39:41.740 Um, we have, I think inadvertently, propped 00:39:41.740 --> 00:39:43.210 up the creation of anti-gun groups or 00:39:43.210 --> 00:39:44.050 made them stronger. 00:39:44.410 --> 00:39:46.540 I think we have done a disservice and 00:39:46.690 --> 00:39:48.250 lowered the discourse that we have. 00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:51.100 And I think that as a result, we, we do 00:39:51.100 --> 00:39:52.900 stand to potentially be ostracized from 00:39:52.900 --> 00:39:54.520 the political parties that stand to hold 00:39:54.520 --> 00:39:55.150 power in the future. 00:39:55.150 --> 00:39:59.500 Because unless we start to look like, we always 00:39:59.500 --> 00:40:02.590 like to say, we're the best Canadians, but 00:40:02.770 --> 00:40:03.520 we've got to act like it. 00:40:03.955 --> 00:40:07.135 And I think that involves recognizing that, like, 00:40:07.135 --> 00:40:08.665 when you hear these stories about these gun 00:40:08.665 --> 00:40:10.135 laws and stuff, I hate to say it, but you do have 00:40:10.135 --> 00:40:13.795 to think if they want to take my AR-15 how would I 00:40:13.795 --> 00:40:16.565 explain why I should keep my AR-15 to the mother 00:40:16.585 --> 00:40:17.365 of a kid who was shot. 00:40:19.015 --> 00:40:20.245 Is I think what gun owners need to think 00:40:20.245 --> 00:40:21.415 about, because there's a mom out there 00:40:21.415 --> 00:40:22.045 who's thinking that. 00:40:22.884 --> 00:40:25.555 And if that was my kid or if that was anyone's 00:40:25.555 --> 00:40:27.895 kid, I think, I think we can probably see 00:40:27.895 --> 00:40:30.924 that emotionally, my kid was shot and I want 00:40:30.924 --> 00:40:32.634 guns off the street would be two very 00:40:32.634 --> 00:40:33.924 easy dots to connect. 00:40:34.705 --> 00:40:36.654 Um, and I think that because those dots 00:40:36.654 --> 00:40:38.665 are easy to connect, it's why people do. 00:40:38.665 --> 00:40:40.645 I don't think it's logically consistent 00:40:40.645 --> 00:40:41.785 and I don't, I don't think it's. 00:40:42.504 --> 00:40:43.674 I don't think it's good for our country. 00:40:43.674 --> 00:40:45.384 I think it's, I think it's hurting our young 00:40:45.384 --> 00:40:47.035 people at this point and it's increasing 00:40:47.035 --> 00:40:48.834 violence to not focus on the real problems. 00:40:50.035 --> 00:40:51.475 But again, I think gun owners need to think 00:40:51.475 --> 00:40:53.274 that before they type something out on Facebook 00:40:53.274 --> 00:40:55.194 or they say some smart ass comment about how 00:40:55.334 --> 00:40:57.595 libtard, snowflake this or that, think, 00:40:58.105 --> 00:41:00.265 you know, there are parents out there who 00:41:00.265 --> 00:41:01.165 are losing their kids. 00:41:01.165 --> 00:41:02.754 There are families that are losing loved 00:41:02.754 --> 00:41:05.814 ones to suicide, and simply saying, well, 00:41:05.825 --> 00:41:06.865 stop targeting me. 00:41:07.975 --> 00:41:09.234 That doesn't make you feel better when 00:41:09.234 --> 00:41:09.895 your kid was shot. 00:41:09.895 --> 00:41:12.415 That doesn't make you feel like, like your 00:41:12.415 --> 00:41:13.884 kid's friends are going to be safer. 00:41:13.944 --> 00:41:15.325 You know, we gotta give these people hope. 00:41:15.325 --> 00:41:17.995 We need to show them that we care and it's, we've 00:41:17.995 --> 00:41:19.524 gotta get there somehow and it's not going to be 00:41:19.524 --> 00:41:24.415 by continuously, I hate to say it because I have 00:41:24.415 --> 00:41:27.234 been a member of the NRA, my membership lapsed only 00:41:27.234 --> 00:41:30.535 because I let it in the magazines stopped coming. 00:41:30.955 --> 00:41:34.689 But, um, we can't, we're not the NRA, 00:41:35.259 --> 00:41:36.069 we're not Americans. 00:41:36.600 --> 00:41:37.680 We don't have a second amendment. 00:41:38.220 --> 00:41:39.870 Um, we do have a Westminster 00:41:39.870 --> 00:41:40.770 parliamentary system. 00:41:40.770 --> 00:41:42.000 We do not live in a Republic. 00:41:42.629 --> 00:41:44.520 All those same reasons that Canadian gun 00:41:44.520 --> 00:41:48.039 owners like to say we're different than the US 00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:50.009 we don't have the U S gun violence problem, 00:41:50.009 --> 00:41:50.910 et cetera, et cetera. 00:41:51.629 --> 00:41:55.230 All those differences, um, are also the same 00:41:55.230 --> 00:41:58.539 differences that prevent us from effectively 00:41:58.539 --> 00:42:00.359 deploying US style arguments because US 00:42:00.359 --> 00:42:02.140 style arguments hint around that rights, the 00:42:02.140 --> 00:42:04.419 second amendment, that's their, that's their real 00:42:04.419 --> 00:42:07.180 foundation, which we just fundamentally lack. 00:42:07.209 --> 00:42:09.129 So if we're coming at it with the argument and 00:42:09.129 --> 00:42:11.709 we're bringing in that US style rhetoric, we 00:42:11.709 --> 00:42:13.779 don't have the foundation for that to stand up on. 00:42:13.779 --> 00:42:15.160 It's essentially, it's building a house on 00:42:15.160 --> 00:42:16.180 quicksand, you know. 00:42:16.930 --> 00:42:18.999 Um, it looks really good and people think it's 00:42:18.999 --> 00:42:21.129 great right up until the one legislator goes, 00:42:21.714 --> 00:42:22.375 you don't have a right. 00:42:22.555 --> 00:42:23.694 This whole right was never a right. 00:42:23.995 --> 00:42:26.035 You know, you have a legal responsibility of 00:42:26.044 --> 00:42:26.785 all these other things. 00:42:26.785 --> 00:42:28.225 And we have, because the other thing too is 00:42:28.225 --> 00:42:30.024 it's we have, we don't have a right to own 00:42:30.024 --> 00:42:31.254 guns, but the government does have a legal right 00:42:31.254 --> 00:42:31.944 to uphold the law. 00:42:32.274 --> 00:42:33.984 The law states that they can't just take shit 00:42:33.984 --> 00:42:36.205 away if it's going to reduce the amount of 00:42:36.205 --> 00:42:38.425 hunting, if guns can use for hunting, if it 00:42:38.425 --> 00:42:40.254 can reduce culture, you know, all those things, 00:42:40.254 --> 00:42:42.805 we want them to abide by their responsibilities. 00:42:42.805 --> 00:42:44.365 I think we also have to have a certain 00:42:44.365 --> 00:42:46.375 degree of respect for our responsibilities 00:42:46.375 --> 00:42:47.544 and what those are. 00:42:47.544 --> 00:42:51.549 And it's it's to show people we, we are safer. 00:42:51.610 --> 00:42:52.600 We do care, you know. 00:42:53.590 --> 00:42:55.060 Man, you've brought up a lot of stuff. 00:42:55.090 --> 00:42:56.680 You went really macro on this one. 00:42:56.740 --> 00:42:59.529 Uh, I really like what you have to say on this. 00:42:59.529 --> 00:43:01.390 Cause I agree, I agree with what you're saying. 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.440 Um, I, it was an eye-opener for me a 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.230 number of years ago, corporation of Delta 00:43:08.230 --> 00:43:10.270 before it was the city of Delta, says 00:43:11.110 --> 00:43:12.970 we're going to ban firearms businesses 00:43:13.779 --> 00:43:18.084 and I went into the city hall, municipal 00:43:18.084 --> 00:43:20.544 hall there and had all my notes prepared, 00:43:20.544 --> 00:43:22.524 had all the arguments and the statistics 00:43:22.524 --> 00:43:25.104 and everything, all, all ready to present. 00:43:25.345 --> 00:43:28.495 And as I'm going through it, I forget 00:43:28.495 --> 00:43:29.245 the fellow's name. 00:43:29.305 --> 00:43:31.254 Barry I believe it was, he say's, Travis I'm 00:43:31.254 --> 00:43:32.814 going to stop you right there, hold on a second. 00:43:33.595 --> 00:43:34.884 You've got a lot more of this stuff? 00:43:34.915 --> 00:43:36.174 I said, Oh yeah, I sure do, right. 00:43:36.205 --> 00:43:40.225 He says, you got to understand, I agree with 00:43:40.225 --> 00:43:40.884 you a hundred percent. 00:43:40.944 --> 00:43:42.084 Everything you're saying is true and 00:43:42.084 --> 00:43:42.624 I agree with you. 00:43:43.720 --> 00:43:45.980 That said we're in a position where if we 00:43:45.980 --> 00:43:49.510 think our constituents want something that 00:43:49.510 --> 00:43:52.075 will take steps to implement that, whether 00:43:52.075 --> 00:43:54.055 we agree with the facts behind that or not. 00:43:54.325 --> 00:43:57.415 And that level of honesty, and we're going 00:43:57.415 --> 00:44:00.175 back about 10, 15 years now, and it's a little 00:44:00.175 --> 00:44:01.845 bit younger, it was quite an eye opener for me. 00:44:02.885 --> 00:44:06.265 And when you, when you talk about, uh, how to 00:44:06.265 --> 00:44:09.295 properly comport yourself in an argument on social 00:44:09.295 --> 00:44:12.055 media, you know, there's some simple steps that 00:44:12.055 --> 00:44:14.700 I typically take, when I look at an issue. 00:44:15.299 --> 00:44:17.490 I try to separate the people from the problem. 00:44:17.970 --> 00:44:19.589 I take a look at what the problem is, take a 00:44:19.589 --> 00:44:22.020 look of the person and as angry as I can be at 00:44:22.020 --> 00:44:25.069 that individual or group of people who are making 00:44:25.069 --> 00:44:26.330 certain statements, because they're 00:44:26.330 --> 00:44:29.089 completely off base, at least in my opinion, I 00:44:29.089 --> 00:44:31.279 do my best to separate them and take a look at 00:44:31.279 --> 00:44:32.149 addressing the problem. 00:44:32.180 --> 00:44:34.580 If I can't separate the people from the 00:44:34.580 --> 00:44:36.680 problem, I extricate myself because there's, 00:44:36.710 --> 00:44:39.460 there's no way to be able to properly work 00:44:39.460 --> 00:44:40.390 within that framework. 00:44:40.810 --> 00:44:42.730 The second thing I do is, I agree. 00:44:42.850 --> 00:44:45.970 Essentially, any offense is taken and not given, 00:44:46.090 --> 00:44:48.790 if they say something as crappy as it can 00:44:48.790 --> 00:44:51.100 be, and as much as they try to offend and get 00:44:51.100 --> 00:44:54.740 my goat, it's me, who ultimately will take. 00:44:54.740 --> 00:44:55.529 Have that power. 00:44:55.709 --> 00:44:56.129 Right. 00:44:56.500 --> 00:44:57.700 It's that old adage. 00:44:57.700 --> 00:44:59.860 And you see it on Tik Tok and these different 00:44:59.860 --> 00:45:01.180 things, people are bringing it up again. 00:45:01.180 --> 00:45:02.650 A guy gives you a present, but you 00:45:02.650 --> 00:45:03.220 don't accept it. 00:45:03.220 --> 00:45:04.360 Who's that present belong to? 00:45:04.915 --> 00:45:06.205 Oh, not to you, right. 00:45:06.205 --> 00:45:07.644 Belongs to the person who brought it in. 00:45:07.975 --> 00:45:12.205 And finally, I'll do my best to approach 00:45:12.205 --> 00:45:14.214 a problem from a position of curiosity, 00:45:14.455 --> 00:45:15.535 rather than conflict. 00:45:15.924 --> 00:45:17.725 So when you're talking about how, how do 00:45:17.725 --> 00:45:20.124 you convince a mother whose child was 00:45:20.124 --> 00:45:21.484 killed by an AR-15? 00:45:22.525 --> 00:45:25.345 I can put my mindset in all the statistics 00:45:25.345 --> 00:45:26.835 and say, it wasn't the firearm, we should 00:45:26.835 --> 00:45:30.745 be combating, uh, violence or what, 00:45:30.745 --> 00:45:31.735 however it took place. 00:45:31.735 --> 00:45:33.085 Whether it was a straight bullet from 00:45:33.085 --> 00:45:34.615 gangs, and so we should be looking at gangs. 00:45:34.615 --> 00:45:37.795 Or whether it be suicide because suicide 00:45:37.885 --> 00:45:42.055 is it, uh, largest killer of people with 00:45:42.055 --> 00:45:43.735 firearms in Canada. 00:45:44.335 --> 00:45:45.715 And you can say I'll just look at the suicide. 00:45:45.715 --> 00:45:47.275 They can get a knife, they can get pills, they 00:45:47.275 --> 00:45:48.035 can take, get a rope. 00:45:49.495 --> 00:45:51.325 Put myself in a position of curiosity, what 00:45:51.325 --> 00:45:53.254 would it be like to be that individual and to 00:45:53.274 --> 00:45:54.115 have gone through that? 00:45:54.115 --> 00:45:55.855 Because maybe there's nothing you can 00:45:55.855 --> 00:45:57.024 say to that person. 00:45:57.365 --> 00:45:58.665 I think that a lot of the time there's 00:45:58.665 --> 00:45:59.565 nothing you can say. 00:45:59.924 --> 00:46:00.145 Right. 00:46:00.145 --> 00:46:01.254 Not even worth an arguement. 00:46:01.785 --> 00:46:03.095 Your job's not to say anything. 00:46:03.185 --> 00:46:03.444 That's it. 00:46:03.444 --> 00:46:04.785 And I think that's the fundamental 00:46:04.785 --> 00:46:05.415 thing is like. 00:46:05.415 --> 00:46:05.955 Exactly. 00:46:06.225 --> 00:46:07.484 Like Ryan you've got kids, right? 00:46:07.654 --> 00:46:07.814 Yep. 00:46:07.955 --> 00:46:09.615 Like if your, if your son was killed, is there 00:46:09.615 --> 00:46:12.375 anything anyone, anyone, I don't care if it's the 00:46:12.375 --> 00:46:15.524 president of the United States, anyone, is there 00:46:15.524 --> 00:46:19.495 anything anyone could say to you to soothe that? 00:46:19.495 --> 00:46:21.265 And the answer's no, right? 00:46:21.265 --> 00:46:23.725 Like there's nothing anyone can say to make 00:46:23.755 --> 00:46:25.255 a mother feel better. 00:46:25.375 --> 00:46:26.905 It's not our job to make her feel better. 00:46:26.905 --> 00:46:28.945 What our job is to do as gun owners, is to 00:46:28.945 --> 00:46:31.045 show her that we are being responsible. 00:46:31.735 --> 00:46:34.330 So it's not saying, you know, it's not 00:46:34.330 --> 00:46:36.280 saying I should keep my AR-, cause I do 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:37.780 see it like literally there is a very, 00:46:38.170 --> 00:46:40.540 there's a high profile, she's very emotional. 00:46:40.570 --> 00:46:41.890 She's tied into the anti-gun movement. 00:46:41.890 --> 00:46:43.240 She will likely, never change her mind. 00:46:43.240 --> 00:46:45.910 But she's the, she's the mother of a, of a son 00:46:45.910 --> 00:46:48.550 that was killed in a gang murder and it's tragic. 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.565 Um, And, and I, I think it's, I think 00:46:51.565 --> 00:46:53.075 what's happened to this one is of her, 00:46:53.154 --> 00:46:53.815 or sorry, a daughter. 00:46:53.875 --> 00:46:55.404 Um, Lindsey's mom has her name on Twitter. 00:46:55.404 --> 00:46:55.915 I'll just say it. 00:46:55.975 --> 00:46:57.355 I mean, she's on Twitter, so everyone knows it. 00:46:57.595 --> 00:46:59.785 She's a staunch anti-gun person, she, she posts 00:46:59.785 --> 00:47:00.565 quite prolifically. 00:47:00.924 --> 00:47:02.785 Um, I've purposely tried to avoid engaging 00:47:02.785 --> 00:47:04.194 her because I can't, I don't know how to 00:47:04.194 --> 00:47:05.004 frame that discussion. 00:47:05.004 --> 00:47:05.964 I don't know how to talk to someone that, 00:47:06.759 --> 00:47:07.900 that has lost their child like that. 00:47:07.900 --> 00:47:08.680 I don't want to say. 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:09.130 Who does? 00:47:09.130 --> 00:47:10.509 But I would say, you ask the question. 00:47:10.810 --> 00:47:13.360 If you, if they say, you know, I want you 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:14.680 to get rid of your AR-15 because it'll 00:47:14.680 --> 00:47:15.880 help prevent murders. 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:17.080 You say like, well, why? 00:47:17.620 --> 00:47:20.050 Like what, you know, what, what do you think 00:47:20.050 --> 00:47:21.040 is causing these murders? 00:47:21.520 --> 00:47:22.270 And you ask questions. 00:47:22.270 --> 00:47:24.850 Cause the big thing is, is there's there's 00:47:25.060 --> 00:47:27.654 there's, you can be on broadcast or you can 00:47:27.654 --> 00:47:28.615 be on receive, right? 00:47:28.615 --> 00:47:30.564 Like people are generally, we're the 00:47:30.564 --> 00:47:31.854 old CV radio system. 00:47:31.854 --> 00:47:33.384 We don't do two way so well, right. 00:47:34.194 --> 00:47:35.845 And when you get into a conversation with someone 00:47:35.845 --> 00:47:37.464 it's, it's natural, it's very natural. 00:47:37.464 --> 00:47:38.604 People want to talk about themselves. 00:47:38.604 --> 00:47:38.935 Look at me. 00:47:38.935 --> 00:47:40.524 I've spent most of this podcast talking 00:47:40.524 --> 00:47:42.504 cause I am the most verbose person in this 00:47:42.504 --> 00:47:44.154 industry bar none. 00:47:44.984 --> 00:47:45.714 Proud to say so. 00:47:45.734 --> 00:47:46.274 I would agree. 00:47:47.454 --> 00:47:48.765 Happy to say it. 00:47:49.064 --> 00:47:50.774 Um, I'm fairly certain people don't take my 00:47:50.774 --> 00:47:53.980 calls cause I talk too long, but nonetheless. 00:47:54.010 --> 00:47:56.230 Um, at the end of the day, like you just don't 00:47:56.230 --> 00:47:58.375 have that, like, you have to ask questions 00:47:58.375 --> 00:48:00.924 and people are so much on broadcast because in 00:48:00.924 --> 00:48:02.805 the modern social media world, that's all it is. 00:48:02.835 --> 00:48:04.185 That's what bro, like when people talk about 00:48:04.185 --> 00:48:06.015 Twitter, people rarely talk about the things 00:48:06.015 --> 00:48:07.965 they've read on Twitter, unless it's the things 00:48:07.965 --> 00:48:09.315 they've interacted with because social 00:48:09.315 --> 00:48:11.115 media is a broadcast thing for most people. 00:48:11.115 --> 00:48:12.435 It's how they express themselves. 00:48:12.435 --> 00:48:14.145 They express themselves on Facebook, they express 00:48:14.145 --> 00:48:15.855 themselves on Twitter and then occasionally 00:48:15.855 --> 00:48:17.384 they see how other people express themselves. 00:48:17.384 --> 00:48:18.975 And because of the algorithm, they only see 00:48:18.975 --> 00:48:20.745 the people they hate and the people they love, 00:48:20.835 --> 00:48:22.105 they express themselves in matters and they 00:48:22.105 --> 00:48:22.925 hate and they love. 00:48:23.855 --> 00:48:26.995 Um, and the problem there is that, between 00:48:26.995 --> 00:48:28.675 the torquing of the messaging by the 00:48:28.675 --> 00:48:30.355 algorithms that people don't see cause that's 00:48:30.355 --> 00:48:32.005 behind the curtain, but at that, you know, wizard 00:48:32.005 --> 00:48:34.525 of Oz sort of effect, but also too, just the 00:48:34.525 --> 00:48:37.495 overwhelming sense of, uh, the bubbles that 00:48:37.495 --> 00:48:40.075 are created because that algorithm creates, um. 00:48:40.815 --> 00:48:41.155 Echo chambers. 00:48:41.155 --> 00:48:43.505 Bubbles, echo chambers, yeah exactly. 00:48:43.525 --> 00:48:44.345 Very good echo chambers. 00:48:44.365 --> 00:48:45.625 So you basically just get surrounded by 00:48:45.625 --> 00:48:47.335 people who like what you have to say and 00:48:47.335 --> 00:48:48.415 that say similar things. 00:48:48.415 --> 00:48:50.545 So you naturally start to like what you have 00:48:50.575 --> 00:48:51.505 to say more and more. 00:48:52.405 --> 00:48:53.815 So when you enter these conversations with a 00:48:53.815 --> 00:48:56.589 mom, instead of, instead of thinking, because 00:48:56.589 --> 00:48:59.259 I think in most cases, if you were to ask the 00:48:59.259 --> 00:49:01.569 average person that doesn't own guns, to 00:49:01.569 --> 00:49:03.339 sit down in a room and have a conversation 00:49:03.339 --> 00:49:06.580 with a parent who'd lost a child, most of 00:49:06.580 --> 00:49:08.049 them would say I would have a lot of questions. 00:49:08.529 --> 00:49:09.970 I don't think they'd have much to say, because 00:49:09.970 --> 00:49:11.259 most people wouldn't feel like they would 00:49:11.259 --> 00:49:13.660 have much appropriate input on that scenario 00:49:13.660 --> 00:49:15.540 because admittedly it's such a tragic occurrence 00:49:15.549 --> 00:49:16.930 and unless you've gone through it, I don't 00:49:16.930 --> 00:49:18.460 think you can really provide much input. 00:49:19.299 --> 00:49:20.859 So most people would go, I'd be very curious 00:49:20.859 --> 00:49:22.420 to, you'd probably find it on a videotape, they 00:49:22.420 --> 00:49:23.200 asked more questions. 00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:24.790 What was it like, how did you get through it? 00:49:24.910 --> 00:49:25.839 What were the first days? 00:49:25.839 --> 00:49:26.950 Like, you know, do you think you'll ever 00:49:26.950 --> 00:49:28.210 have another, all these questions that 00:49:28.210 --> 00:49:28.930 you would want to ask. 00:49:29.560 --> 00:49:31.180 I don't know why gun owners immediately, 00:49:31.299 --> 00:49:32.710 it's because of the victimization 00:49:32.710 --> 00:49:34.310 we do have that, I think it's innate. 00:49:34.600 --> 00:49:36.895 We have, we've kind of wrapped ourselves in 00:49:36.895 --> 00:49:39.685 this cloak victimhood of, we're being targeted 00:49:39.685 --> 00:49:40.645 by the government, we're being targeted 00:49:40.665 --> 00:49:41.245 by the government. 00:49:41.965 --> 00:49:44.755 And it's, and because the laws that they pass are 00:49:44.755 --> 00:49:48.355 always created because someone was shot, like 00:49:49.045 --> 00:49:50.575 people were killed in Portapique that did 00:49:50.575 --> 00:49:51.595 not deserve to die. 00:49:53.005 --> 00:49:55.225 Gun owners have allowed the perpetrator of 00:49:55.225 --> 00:49:56.875 that shooting and the nature by which he 00:49:56.875 --> 00:49:59.575 obtained his guns to completely dictate the 00:49:59.575 --> 00:50:01.195 manner in which they respond to that event. 00:50:01.705 --> 00:50:02.845 And I think fundamentally, if 00:50:02.845 --> 00:50:04.135 people take anything away from the podcast, 00:50:04.135 --> 00:50:05.335 that's what I want them to stop doing. 00:50:05.935 --> 00:50:08.385 Because when you can watch that many people 00:50:08.405 --> 00:50:10.945 get killed in a short window of time for 00:50:11.065 --> 00:50:13.995 no goddamn reason and your response is, 00:50:14.185 --> 00:50:17.275 but my guns, you need to take a hard look. 00:50:17.755 --> 00:50:18.505 Seriously. 00:50:18.565 --> 00:50:20.305 As someone that works in the gun industry, who, 00:50:20.635 --> 00:50:23.544 who flat out, I've been doing this for 10 years. 00:50:23.665 --> 00:50:24.984 I'm looking at potentially if the 00:50:24.984 --> 00:50:26.634 liberals win the next election, I'm not sure if 00:50:26.634 --> 00:50:28.464 my business will survive. 00:50:28.464 --> 00:50:29.845 And yes, this is my voice breaking 00:50:29.845 --> 00:50:31.104 that you're hearing, because it's incredibly 00:50:31.104 --> 00:50:31.884 hard to talk about. 00:50:32.515 --> 00:50:34.225 But even as someone that's considering losing 00:50:34.225 --> 00:50:37.765 this much of what I've put my life into, if 00:50:37.765 --> 00:50:39.205 someone were to say, Hey, would you give up 00:50:39.205 --> 00:50:42.055 your AR-15 if it saves everyone's life on 00:50:42.055 --> 00:50:43.354 that day in Portapique? 00:50:43.375 --> 00:50:44.035 Absolutely. 00:50:44.995 --> 00:50:45.745 How could you not. 00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:48.880 Those are, those are sisters and brothers 00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.210 and friends, you know, like I think we as 00:50:51.210 --> 00:50:53.290 gun owners have lost a bit of the perspective 00:50:53.290 --> 00:50:54.550 and we need to get back around all that. 00:50:56.430 --> 00:50:57.210 Well said, Daniel. 00:50:57.810 --> 00:50:58.140 Nice. 00:51:00.570 --> 00:51:02.395 That said, I don't think giving up my AR-15 would 00:51:02.395 --> 00:51:04.015 save anyone's life, just for the record. 00:51:04.525 --> 00:51:05.904 Um, I think what would save lives 00:51:05.904 --> 00:51:06.595 is good government. 00:51:06.595 --> 00:51:07.825 And I think that's where it gets 00:51:07.825 --> 00:51:09.985 problematic because I say that and I get 00:51:09.985 --> 00:51:11.515 very emotional because it is very saddening. 00:51:11.515 --> 00:51:12.835 And I think that's the perspective we need 00:51:12.835 --> 00:51:15.145 to come at it from because it tempers the 00:51:15.145 --> 00:51:17.395 anger, it tempers the frustration that I feel 00:51:17.395 --> 00:51:18.475 because I sat there. 00:51:18.475 --> 00:51:20.194 I'll confess, I was a gun owner the sat there 00:51:20.214 --> 00:51:22.765 on the, on my couch on May 1st and thought, why 00:51:22.765 --> 00:51:24.235 is he doing this to me? 00:51:24.565 --> 00:51:25.884 I never thought about those people. 00:51:25.884 --> 00:51:26.634 I think we all did. 00:51:27.405 --> 00:51:28.415 It gets, it's a knee jerk. 00:51:28.415 --> 00:51:28.805 Hard not to. 00:51:28.805 --> 00:51:28.895 Right? 00:51:28.895 --> 00:51:30.885 In the days that happened afterwards, but in 00:51:30.885 --> 00:51:32.565 the days that happened afterwards is when 00:51:32.565 --> 00:51:33.525 the rhetoric picks up. 00:51:33.525 --> 00:51:35.475 And that's when we need to be cautious of that 00:51:35.475 --> 00:51:36.405 rhetoric and say, no. 00:51:37.150 --> 00:51:39.370 Like when they say, I think when you hear 00:51:39.370 --> 00:51:40.930 about these shootings and when people say we need 00:51:40.930 --> 00:51:42.970 to let the dust settle before we make comments 00:51:42.970 --> 00:51:44.740 and stuff, this is why. 00:51:45.250 --> 00:51:46.840 Because in those first few minutes, 00:51:46.870 --> 00:51:48.880 everyone's reacting to emotional inputs. 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:50.950 You know, people are watching it and going 00:51:50.950 --> 00:51:53.110 those people are, I don't know those people. 00:51:53.150 --> 00:51:54.400 It's the same as when there's a 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:55.570 tornado in Idaho. 00:51:55.780 --> 00:51:57.819 There's no tornadoes in Idaho, Iowa? 00:51:57.879 --> 00:51:58.149 Iowa. 00:51:58.149 --> 00:51:58.509 Kansas? 00:51:58.509 --> 00:51:59.259 That's where tornadoes occur. 00:51:59.259 --> 00:51:59.439 Yeah. 00:52:00.189 --> 00:52:01.629 Uh, floods in New Orleans. 00:52:01.660 --> 00:52:03.490 Like a lot of people look at the headlines and 00:52:03.490 --> 00:52:04.200 they think it's similar. 00:52:04.200 --> 00:52:05.980 Its people elsewhere, it's not my problem, 00:52:05.980 --> 00:52:07.689 but when Justin Trudeau bans my guns, 00:52:07.689 --> 00:52:08.680 that is my problem. 00:52:09.370 --> 00:52:11.169 Um, but the problem then becomes when 00:52:11.169 --> 00:52:13.240 that rhetoric takes over the pro gun side 00:52:13.240 --> 00:52:16.000 of the debate, we then enter it from. 00:52:16.555 --> 00:52:18.055 To be honest, kind of a morally bankrupt 00:52:18.055 --> 00:52:20.274 perspective because it's really as someone 00:52:20.274 --> 00:52:21.745 that sat across the table from media 00:52:21.745 --> 00:52:25.674 interviewers and had to defend why I don't think 00:52:25.674 --> 00:52:26.665 these gun laws work. 00:52:27.865 --> 00:52:29.605 The only reason I can say is, cause it's, 00:52:29.605 --> 00:52:30.975 it's wasting resources. 00:52:31.095 --> 00:52:32.774 Like these resources, this could be spent 00:52:32.774 --> 00:52:34.455 on actual progress. 00:52:34.544 --> 00:52:36.225 And I think that argument is the only 00:52:36.225 --> 00:52:37.004 argument that matters. 00:52:37.004 --> 00:52:38.685 And I think that argument would be a hell of a lot 00:52:38.685 --> 00:52:42.705 stronger if more of our movement would take into 00:52:42.705 --> 00:52:45.970 account that like, shit's bad out there, folks. 00:52:46.150 --> 00:52:46.600 Yeah. 00:52:47.050 --> 00:52:48.790 Like young people are shooting each other 00:52:48.790 --> 00:52:51.310 and shooting at each other more than they 00:52:51.310 --> 00:52:52.240 did when I was a kid. 00:52:52.330 --> 00:52:53.320 That's for freaking sure. 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:55.000 And I'm 35 years old, I'm not that old. 00:52:55.150 --> 00:52:57.310 Like I grew up on Tupac Shakur died, 00:52:57.340 --> 00:53:00.310 you know, like this is more violent than then. 00:53:00.540 --> 00:53:02.400 Well I'm not going to discount the fact that 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:04.140 there probably are some people out there 00:53:04.140 --> 00:53:06.120 who will look at it and say, not my guns 00:53:06.180 --> 00:53:09.625 and completely right off the tragedy that's 00:53:09.625 --> 00:53:10.495 happening out there. 00:53:10.525 --> 00:53:12.565 But I think it might be a little disingenuous 00:53:12.565 --> 00:53:15.654 to say that gun owners in general, their head 00:53:15.685 --> 00:53:19.765 immediately goes to the firearm issue from 00:53:19.765 --> 00:53:23.605 a perspective of, what are they taking from me? 00:53:23.694 --> 00:53:26.815 And I think the outrage that is felt from 00:53:27.565 --> 00:53:29.694 the community though, those, the victims 00:53:29.694 --> 00:53:33.045 those directly involved called and the firearms 00:53:33.045 --> 00:53:36.165 industry in general is outrage over the event. 00:53:37.839 --> 00:53:40.240 Empathy and compassion for what's going on and 00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:43.299 further outrage over the fact that, as firearms 00:53:43.299 --> 00:53:46.299 owners, most of them will have done their homework 00:53:46.899 --> 00:53:49.210 and have an idea of what the statistics look like 00:53:49.240 --> 00:53:51.220 and have a better idea of what could possibly 00:53:51.220 --> 00:53:53.770 be done to prevent tragedies like this. 00:53:53.770 --> 00:53:57.790 And they see that the knee jerk reaction of 00:53:57.790 --> 00:54:02.650 let's just ban guns will do nothing to stop the 00:54:02.650 --> 00:54:03.730 tragedy that happened. 00:54:03.730 --> 00:54:06.700 And that can create a higher sense of anger. 00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:08.740 But I don't think firearms owners are 00:54:08.740 --> 00:54:10.270 properly conveying that. 00:54:10.270 --> 00:54:13.000 It comes across as, yeah don't take my guns as 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.745 opposed to what the hell? 00:54:15.745 --> 00:54:17.395 You think that we're going to, if we let's 00:54:17.395 --> 00:54:20.904 say we've got a problem with suicide, suicide, 00:54:20.904 --> 00:54:23.875 men will predominantly use firearms, women will 00:54:23.875 --> 00:54:25.464 predominantly use pills. 00:54:25.464 --> 00:54:27.025 People have their preferred methods, but 00:54:27.325 --> 00:54:29.634 if we don't have that implement, we don't 00:54:29.634 --> 00:54:31.735 have that instrument of implementation. 00:54:32.694 --> 00:54:34.915 Would that person just find another instrument? 00:54:35.515 --> 00:54:37.645 And maybe we should be the tried and 00:54:37.825 --> 00:54:38.815 beaten that old drum. 00:54:39.205 --> 00:54:41.395 Why don't we address what the actual problem is? 00:54:41.830 --> 00:54:45.700 So I, I think, I think that the, I think the 00:54:45.700 --> 00:54:48.490 anger is there, but I agree with you that the 00:54:48.580 --> 00:54:52.120 way that we're, and I say we're as I put myself 00:54:52.120 --> 00:54:54.339 in with the firearms community, obviously, 00:54:55.149 --> 00:54:57.580 the way that we're conveying that anger and 00:54:57.580 --> 00:55:01.720 conveying our message needs a lot of work 00:55:01.750 --> 00:55:04.509 because it's so easily misconstrued and becomes 00:55:04.509 --> 00:55:07.359 positional down to the firearm issue, as opposed 00:55:07.359 --> 00:55:08.859 to solution issue. 00:55:08.890 --> 00:55:09.900 How can we find a solution? 00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:10.340 Yeah, for sure. 00:55:11.520 --> 00:55:12.080 I agree. 00:55:12.100 --> 00:55:13.660 And I think, um, the only thing I would 00:55:13.660 --> 00:55:16.479 say there is, I think, I don't think the 00:55:16.479 --> 00:55:17.680 majority of gun owners. 00:55:19.405 --> 00:55:20.845 I'll just say it to them, majority of gun owners is 00:55:20.865 --> 00:55:21.655 on our side on this one. 00:55:22.495 --> 00:55:24.415 Um, specifically the assault weapon ban. 00:55:24.505 --> 00:55:26.425 I would've thought that, and this is where it's 00:55:26.425 --> 00:55:27.205 been interesting moving. 00:55:27.205 --> 00:55:30.165 Cause I moved out of Delta four years ago 00:55:30.165 --> 00:55:31.635 now, coming up on five. 00:55:32.415 --> 00:55:34.155 Um, and when I lived in lower mainland, 00:55:34.185 --> 00:55:36.165 it Abbotsford like Ryan knows he lives 00:55:36.165 --> 00:55:36.675 lower mainland. 00:55:36.705 --> 00:55:38.115 Like lower mainland shooting community is 00:55:38.115 --> 00:55:40.200 predominantly a sporting community, you've got the 00:55:40.200 --> 00:55:42.880 trap guys at Vancouver Gun Club, Abbotsford 00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:44.160 is like the center for all the tactical 00:55:44.160 --> 00:55:45.060 shooting type stuff. 00:55:45.060 --> 00:55:46.260 You've got IPSC all over the place, 00:55:46.290 --> 00:55:47.340 Poco is big on it. 00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:48.870 Like there's lots of AR-15's, there's lots of 00:55:48.870 --> 00:55:51.150 handguns, there's lots of trap shotguns, it's all 00:55:51.150 --> 00:55:52.410 sporting stuff, right? 00:55:52.680 --> 00:55:54.570 And hunting is kind of a bit more of the 00:55:54.570 --> 00:55:55.920 minority, cause you've got to drive like three 00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:57.630 hours to shoot an animal in lower mainland. 00:55:59.955 --> 00:56:00.385 Unless you. 00:56:00.385 --> 00:56:01.055 Unless you're into ducks. 00:56:01.075 --> 00:56:02.315 Live in Delta like Travis does. 00:56:02.315 --> 00:56:02.585 You got it. 00:56:02.585 --> 00:56:04.015 And then it's like five minutes from your house. 00:56:06.355 --> 00:56:08.315 So then when I moved up to Kelowna, it was this 00:56:08.335 --> 00:56:10.165 weird inversion, which I noticed right away. 00:56:10.165 --> 00:56:11.845 Because I was, I used to go to like Reliable 00:56:11.845 --> 00:56:14.575 Gun and Wanstalls and those sorts of shops. 00:56:14.575 --> 00:56:17.965 And it was just a sea of, you know, tactical 00:56:17.965 --> 00:56:20.629 stuff and ammunition and .223 and bulk 00:56:20.629 --> 00:56:21.629 stuff and handguns. 00:56:21.629 --> 00:56:23.839 And then I came to Kelowna and the gun 00:56:23.839 --> 00:56:25.740 clubs here, like Kelowna has, Kelowna Fish and 00:56:25.740 --> 00:56:26.720 Game has an IPSC range. 00:56:26.720 --> 00:56:28.549 It's never been used to my knowledge, 00:56:28.609 --> 00:56:29.540 not since I moved. 00:56:30.169 --> 00:56:32.890 The Joe Rich Club, I was one of two people with 00:56:32.890 --> 00:56:35.049 an AR-15 in the club when I first joined it 00:56:35.470 --> 00:56:37.359 in the second largest metropolitan center in 00:56:37.359 --> 00:56:39.729 British Columbia, in the second largest gun club. 00:56:40.240 --> 00:56:41.779 When I took my AR-15 to the Kelowna Fish 00:56:41.779 --> 00:56:42.970 and Game Club, some guy didn't even know 00:56:42.970 --> 00:56:44.680 what it was like. 00:56:44.859 --> 00:56:46.779 There's no gun, if you tried to buy an SKS off 00:56:46.779 --> 00:56:48.590 the shelf in Kelowna, you can't do it right now. 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:49.710 There is no SKS. 00:56:49.710 --> 00:56:51.649 There's no AR fif- well, obviously no AR-15's, 00:56:51.669 --> 00:56:54.490 but there's like maybe double digits of handguns 00:56:54.490 --> 00:56:56.649 for sale in this entire city of six figures, like 00:56:56.649 --> 00:56:58.089 quarter million people in this Metro area. 00:56:58.089 --> 00:56:58.689 It's insane. 00:56:59.290 --> 00:57:01.945 And I think that's where, also to gun 00:57:01.945 --> 00:57:03.505 owners need to recognize there's a disconnect. 00:57:03.505 --> 00:57:07.135 And I think that that the, the rural gun owner 00:57:08.035 --> 00:57:11.830 does not care, by and large, and this is a 00:57:11.830 --> 00:57:12.730 gross generalization. 00:57:12.730 --> 00:57:15.339 So please do not email me with your, I'm a real gun 00:57:15.339 --> 00:57:17.080 owner who cares, cause the exceptions always 00:57:17.080 --> 00:57:17.980 prove the rule folks. 00:57:19.359 --> 00:57:20.799 By and large, if you were to drive through 00:57:20.799 --> 00:57:22.870 rural Canada and knock on the doors of people 00:57:22.870 --> 00:57:24.870 with PAL's and say, do you care about the AR-15? 00:57:24.890 --> 00:57:25.720 They go the what? 00:57:27.069 --> 00:57:30.040 Because it's just not, if, because fundamentally 00:57:30.040 --> 00:57:31.600 when you think about it, the AR-15 is a restricted 00:57:31.600 --> 00:57:33.189 firearm, it can only be shot on ranges. 00:57:33.879 --> 00:57:35.439 If you live in rural Canada, where's 00:57:35.439 --> 00:57:37.330 the nearest gun range, probably 00:57:37.330 --> 00:57:38.740 hours away, right? 00:57:39.955 --> 00:57:41.665 What's the nearest competition to 00:57:41.665 --> 00:57:42.835 shoot your AR-15 in? 00:57:44.125 --> 00:57:47.185 Hours away, if not days, depending on 00:57:47.365 --> 00:57:48.884 where you live and where you're driving, right? 00:57:48.884 --> 00:57:50.685 I think we're starting to talk a bit of a change 00:57:50.685 --> 00:57:53.605 with the non-restricted versions of things. 00:57:53.605 --> 00:57:55.374 Oh a little bit. 00:57:55.374 --> 00:57:56.604 And we're starting to bleed in. 00:57:56.604 --> 00:57:57.084 For sure. 00:57:57.100 --> 00:57:59.410 We were seeing that in Kelowna big time, the 00:57:59.410 --> 00:58:01.419 non-restricted stuff was finally opening people's 00:58:01.419 --> 00:58:03.609 eyes up because where you lack the infrastructure 00:58:03.609 --> 00:58:07.379 for AR-15's to be beneficial, the stags, 00:58:07.379 --> 00:58:09.480 the NEA's were showing people, these are 00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:11.879 perfectly viable, modern firearms that weigh seven 00:58:11.879 --> 00:58:13.500 pounds, that are more accurate than your bolt 00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:15.330 gun, that allow you a better up shot that you 00:58:15.330 --> 00:58:16.379 can make fit your wife. 00:58:16.625 --> 00:58:20.015 Yeah, so it's, it was growing, but they've cut 00:58:20.015 --> 00:58:20.735 that off at the knees. 00:58:20.735 --> 00:58:22.625 And I think that's where, again, I go for 00:58:22.625 --> 00:58:24.755 the macro views because people do need to look 00:58:24.755 --> 00:58:25.385 at these policies. 00:58:25.385 --> 00:58:26.555 People need to look at gun control in 00:58:26.555 --> 00:58:28.415 Canada from like a 10 year scale. 00:58:28.415 --> 00:58:31.655 Not a, like C-21, C-71, all these 00:58:31.655 --> 00:58:32.735 bills last few years. 00:58:32.735 --> 00:58:33.785 What's the only thing that's mattered? 00:58:33.785 --> 00:58:35.545 Travis and I, before the podcast, we mentioned 00:58:35.545 --> 00:58:39.035 it, the end of long gun registry the single most 00:58:39.035 --> 00:58:40.595 important thing that's happened in our lifetime. 00:58:40.925 --> 00:58:42.575 Well, my lifetime anyways, I 00:58:42.575 --> 00:58:44.020 mean, was that. 00:58:44.200 --> 00:58:45.460 The long gun registry was created in my 00:58:45.460 --> 00:58:47.050 lifetime, but I was so young I don't count it. 00:58:47.290 --> 00:58:49.480 I couldn't change anything then, I was 10. 00:58:49.720 --> 00:58:52.570 Um, but that's the only thing that's mattered. 00:58:52.570 --> 00:58:54.250 And ever since then, they've just been kind 00:58:54.250 --> 00:58:55.170 of fiddling with things. 00:58:55.170 --> 00:58:58.570 C-21, I'll be honest, bad bill, terrible bill. 00:58:58.630 --> 00:58:59.620 Hope it doesn't pass. 00:59:00.520 --> 00:59:01.930 If it passes, how many guns are they 00:59:01.930 --> 00:59:02.590 going to get back? 00:59:02.650 --> 00:59:04.060 We'll they'll get the AR-15's back 00:59:04.120 --> 00:59:05.630 because they know where those ones are. 00:59:05.630 --> 00:59:07.825 And the people that want to give them 00:59:07.825 --> 00:59:09.095 back will give them back and get a cheque. 00:59:09.734 --> 00:59:11.875 There's what, 150,000 of those 120,000 00:59:11.875 --> 00:59:12.654 AR-15's out there? 00:59:12.654 --> 00:59:16.915 I got to figure, they don't get more than maybe 00:59:16.915 --> 00:59:19.735 10% back in the buyback, I can't see more. 00:59:19.735 --> 00:59:22.645 AR-15 owners are pretty staunch guys, and most of 00:59:22.645 --> 00:59:24.055 them have handguns too, so they'll have a reason 00:59:24.055 --> 00:59:26.005 to keep the restricted license, already. 00:59:26.035 --> 00:59:27.755 So the endorsements not really going anywhere 00:59:28.825 --> 00:59:31.705 and we'll all just wait for the next 00:59:31.705 --> 00:59:32.515 government change. 00:59:32.515 --> 00:59:34.734 And that's that, you know, that's where I say 00:59:34.734 --> 00:59:36.624 gun owners kinda need to stop making it about 00:59:36.624 --> 00:59:38.214 ourselves and about the guns we're losing and 00:59:38.214 --> 00:59:40.345 about the gun policies from our perspective 00:59:40.374 --> 00:59:42.504 and start thinking as like, we are the experts 00:59:42.504 --> 00:59:43.584 on firearms in Canada. 00:59:44.095 --> 00:59:45.535 You know, these are the laws that they 00:59:45.535 --> 00:59:47.875 currently work, these ones clearly aren't. 00:59:47.904 --> 00:59:49.435 Like, I think gun owners could seriously, like, 00:59:49.435 --> 00:59:51.084 we always say like, Oh, gang bangers, look at, 00:59:51.084 --> 00:59:52.645 they don't, they don't have gun licenses because 00:59:52.645 --> 00:59:53.604 they don't have an ATT. 00:59:53.785 --> 00:59:56.004 Instead of saying the ATT is clearly not 00:59:56.004 --> 00:59:57.984 working because we have the system by 00:59:57.984 --> 00:59:59.125 which we're supposed to be authorizing the 00:59:59.125 --> 01:00:00.745 transport of firearms and there seems to be a 01:00:00.745 --> 01:00:02.424 whole shitload of people moving firearms around 01:00:02.424 --> 01:00:03.745 the country without ATTs. 01:00:04.075 --> 01:00:05.424 We know this because they keep shooting 01:00:05.424 --> 01:00:06.055 each other with them. 01:00:07.674 --> 01:00:09.174 So, instead of saying like there's a public 01:00:09.174 --> 01:00:11.455 safety concern that the ATT system is not 01:00:11.455 --> 01:00:13.334 fulfilling the role that was supposed to., 01:00:13.725 --> 01:00:17.765 we use the laws that we hate to prop up why 01:00:17.765 --> 01:00:19.214 we're better than the people that are shooting 01:00:19.214 --> 01:00:22.274 each other as evidence of, that's a different 01:00:22.274 --> 01:00:23.354 population of people. 01:00:23.535 --> 01:00:25.604 They don't have this fancy plastic card in 01:00:25.604 --> 01:00:28.185 our wallets, they're not us, they didn't get ATTs. 01:00:28.515 --> 01:00:30.314 When in reality, the ATT isn't doing anything. 01:00:30.314 --> 01:00:33.390 So why are we, like it's convenient for us, it 01:00:33.390 --> 01:00:34.319 doesn't mean it's good. 01:00:34.529 --> 01:00:36.060 It costs a fortune for the government 01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:38.549 to maintain the ATT stuff when they could 01:00:38.549 --> 01:00:40.170 spend more on cops and that's where like, we 01:00:40.170 --> 01:00:40.920 need to be consistent. 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:42.299 It's always gotta be able to safety. 01:00:42.600 --> 01:00:44.220 Anytime we see there to be room for 01:00:44.220 --> 01:00:45.990 improvement on safety, we should be doing it. 01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:48.420 And that includes, you know, things like 01:00:48.450 --> 01:00:50.220 we've seen the CSAAA do with industry. 01:00:50.529 --> 01:00:53.535 Cracking down on fraudulent purchases and 01:00:53.535 --> 01:00:56.325 like doing, working with, uh, so the cane industry 01:00:56.325 --> 01:00:59.445 group worked with the RCMP to develop, uh, 01:00:59.475 --> 01:01:01.695 basically like a sort of quasi training program 01:01:02.115 --> 01:01:04.515 to help train, uh, retailers on recognizing 01:01:04.515 --> 01:01:05.325 straw purchases. 01:01:05.715 --> 01:01:07.935 And like, that's a great, that's, that's worked. 01:01:08.055 --> 01:01:09.945 I know there are cases where people have been 01:01:09.945 --> 01:01:11.275 arrested because they were straw pursing 01:01:11.295 --> 01:01:13.335 firearms and that purse was identified because 01:01:13.335 --> 01:01:15.195 of the training that the employee received. 01:01:15.615 --> 01:01:18.495 And that was a hand in glove industry, law 01:01:18.495 --> 01:01:21.490 enforcement working together and like, that 01:01:21.490 --> 01:01:23.049 happened in like, I think it was like a six month, 01:01:23.169 --> 01:01:25.600 it was a fast program and it made results. 01:01:26.129 --> 01:01:27.970 And like, man, if we had more of that, 01:01:27.970 --> 01:01:29.259 there'd be a lot less people getting shot. 01:01:32.169 --> 01:01:32.500 Well. 01:01:32.600 --> 01:01:34.029 Again, it all has to be from that perspective of 01:01:34.029 --> 01:01:36.520 safety first, it's all, it's all about safety. 01:01:36.520 --> 01:01:37.870 Because as you know, when you talk to the city 01:01:37.870 --> 01:01:39.910 councils, politicians only care about what the 01:01:39.910 --> 01:01:40.899 voters told them to do. 01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:45.504 Um, and safety, like what's safe. 01:01:45.535 --> 01:01:47.035 When I talked to Steven Blaney when he was the 01:01:47.035 --> 01:01:49.854 public minister, it was always, he never 01:01:49.854 --> 01:01:51.174 really talked about gun policy, he was 01:01:51.174 --> 01:01:52.225 always safety policy. 01:01:52.225 --> 01:01:53.154 It was always, everything was from 01:01:53.154 --> 01:01:54.024 a safety perspective. 01:01:54.024 --> 01:01:56.365 It was never like politicians never 01:01:56.365 --> 01:01:58.935 think from a gun owners perspective 01:01:58.935 --> 01:01:59.894 or about gun clubs. 01:01:59.894 --> 01:02:02.595 It's always as a larger guns in a 01:02:02.745 --> 01:02:03.825 safety environment. 01:02:03.854 --> 01:02:04.935 Which is what the liberals are 01:02:04.935 --> 01:02:05.654 pushing right now. 01:02:05.685 --> 01:02:07.424 They're, they're talking about guns, 01:02:07.424 --> 01:02:09.404 but it's always backed by a safety. 01:02:10.015 --> 01:02:11.275 Some sort of a safety thing. 01:02:11.665 --> 01:02:13.585 And when we're arguing and when they're arguing, 01:02:14.005 --> 01:02:15.865 they should get rid of guns to make us safer. 01:02:16.064 --> 01:02:18.505 And our argument is, don't take our guns away, 01:02:19.225 --> 01:02:20.904 that's a pretty shitty argument for the guy on 01:02:20.904 --> 01:02:21.895 the sideline, is it not? 01:02:22.165 --> 01:02:23.755 Like we need to be saying this isn't 01:02:23.755 --> 01:02:24.375 going to make us safer. 01:02:24.375 --> 01:02:25.205 This is the reason why. 01:02:25.285 --> 01:02:26.845 You need to do this to make us safer. 01:02:27.174 --> 01:02:27.865 It's not going to be safer. 01:02:27.865 --> 01:02:32.259 Um, but because it's literally like, I 01:02:32.259 --> 01:02:33.669 think Travis you're entirely, right. 01:02:33.970 --> 01:02:35.529 It's not that we need to change the argument. 01:02:35.529 --> 01:02:37.359 We just need to change the order of operations 01:02:37.359 --> 01:02:37.990 in the argument. 01:02:38.500 --> 01:02:40.450 Because when we start the conversation with, don't 01:02:40.450 --> 01:02:43.230 take our guns, they think that's the priority. 01:02:43.709 --> 01:02:46.080 And the conversation has to start with, we 01:02:46.080 --> 01:02:47.129 want people to be safe. 01:02:47.129 --> 01:02:48.480 So when you're talking to those people, that's 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:49.529 the other thing is if you're talking to people, 01:02:49.529 --> 01:02:50.730 if you're getting a tip and people are trying to 01:02:50.730 --> 01:02:52.990 figure out how to talk to people, tell the fuds 01:02:52.990 --> 01:02:54.209 that it's going to be the end of all the gun 01:02:54.209 --> 01:02:58.330 clubs, because restricted owners make up what keeps 01:02:58.330 --> 01:02:59.290 gun clubs in the black. 01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:03.520 And the anti-gun people that fundamentally like 01:03:03.520 --> 01:03:05.140 this isn't going to work obviously and all that 01:03:05.140 --> 01:03:06.700 kind of thing, but tell them it's a distraction. 01:03:06.910 --> 01:03:08.500 Tell them there's only 55 days left. 01:03:08.680 --> 01:03:10.060 Tell them it's the middle of a pandemic. 01:03:10.750 --> 01:03:11.830 Tell them that the IBM. 01:03:11.830 --> 01:03:13.509 So the other thing on timing, if anyone needs 01:03:13.509 --> 01:03:16.450 further evidence to convince people, the IBM 01:03:16.450 --> 01:03:19.495 contract that was awarded for the um, planning 01:03:19.495 --> 01:03:20.275 out of the buyback. 01:03:21.025 --> 01:03:23.155 Uh, the preliminary report was delivered 01:03:23.155 --> 01:03:26.005 the week before the law was announced. 01:03:26.215 --> 01:03:29.095 So like literally five business days at most 01:03:29.305 --> 01:03:32.185 between IBM delivering the preliminary report, 01:03:32.185 --> 01:03:34.195 which was a $200,000 document I think 01:03:34.195 --> 01:03:35.635 that took five weeks. 01:03:35.875 --> 01:03:37.555 So it's not comprehensive in any way. 01:03:38.005 --> 01:03:40.435 And this preliminary report that Bill Blair 01:03:40.435 --> 01:03:43.705 took from IBM that I'm guessing informed bill 01:03:43.705 --> 01:03:48.865 C-21, uh, has an option where to, once they've 01:03:48.895 --> 01:03:50.365 completed the initial report and the government 01:03:50.365 --> 01:03:52.225 has given them direction on which specific model 01:03:52.225 --> 01:03:55.345 to go for that the overall, um, enrollment 01:03:55.345 --> 01:03:57.235 of the program will take an additional two years. 01:03:57.955 --> 01:04:00.085 So like they were saying, this was 01:04:00.085 --> 01:04:02.185 supposed to be a two year, five week project. 01:04:02.755 --> 01:04:03.745 And now he's saying we're going to 01:04:03.745 --> 01:04:04.705 have a law ready? 01:04:04.825 --> 01:04:07.919 Like legislation passed in 40 days? 01:04:07.950 --> 01:04:08.950 It's not going to happen. 01:04:09.009 --> 01:04:10.569 Or, or conversely, we're not going to an 01:04:10.569 --> 01:04:11.259 election in the fall. 01:04:11.290 --> 01:04:13.240 And the Liberals think that after this pandemic, 01:04:13.240 --> 01:04:15.129 that they're going to be somehow be able to 01:04:15.129 --> 01:04:17.589 maintain and retain their mandate, after 01:04:17.589 --> 01:04:20.560 the vaccine stuff, after everything else, it just 01:04:20.560 --> 01:04:21.460 doesn't seem likely. 01:04:21.640 --> 01:04:23.500 And then again, thinking from the political 01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:26.069 perspective, it would be great if the Conserv-, 01:04:26.500 --> 01:04:28.390 if I was a Liberal political strategist, 01:04:28.390 --> 01:04:29.710 I would look at this and go, this is great. 01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:31.660 We'll get this thing real close to the finish 01:04:31.660 --> 01:04:33.340 line and just when the anti-gun people 01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:35.950 think it's in the bag, we'll pull the old lucy 01:04:35.950 --> 01:04:38.440 football trick and we'll say, drop that ballot 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:39.430 in the ballot box baby. 01:04:39.430 --> 01:04:40.540 And we'll see how she rolls again. 01:04:41.170 --> 01:04:44.470 So, and I think also, to gun owners on that 01:04:44.770 --> 01:04:47.634 front, need to kind of understand the political 01:04:47.634 --> 01:04:49.765 pastoring that occurs here and understand 01:04:49.765 --> 01:04:53.064 that it may change the way the Conservative 01:04:53.095 --> 01:04:55.644 party or other parties confront these issues. 01:04:55.825 --> 01:04:58.374 Um, if the media jumps all over it and starts 01:04:58.374 --> 01:04:59.785 making it look like these assault weapons have 01:04:59.785 --> 01:05:01.044 to get off the streets, there's some massive 01:05:01.044 --> 01:05:02.814 shooting that puts guns at a bad light again, 01:05:03.354 --> 01:05:06.414 you can fully expect Erin O'Toole to absolutely 01:05:06.444 --> 01:05:08.245 not make any statements, both guns between 01:05:08.245 --> 01:05:11.024 now and the election, because, why would he? 01:05:11.144 --> 01:05:11.325 Like. 01:05:11.805 --> 01:05:13.314 I'm a little surprised he did, came out with 01:05:13.314 --> 01:05:14.384 that video the other day. 01:05:15.985 --> 01:05:16.194 Yeah. 01:05:16.194 --> 01:05:17.134 We won't, I'm not. 01:05:17.134 --> 01:05:19.404 I thought he would stay a little more quiet 01:05:19.404 --> 01:05:20.125 on the whole thing. 01:05:20.485 --> 01:05:22.134 Because the reality is, is you have to pull the 01:05:22.134 --> 01:05:24.085 middle voters over right. 01:05:24.565 --> 01:05:26.875 And I know people want to want them to come out and 01:05:26.875 --> 01:05:28.225 say all kinds of stuff. 01:05:28.255 --> 01:05:30.384 But the reality of it is, is if you want 01:05:30.384 --> 01:05:33.714 to pull those middle voters over, um, you 01:05:33.714 --> 01:05:35.214 have to be a little more centrist than. 01:05:36.265 --> 01:05:37.735 And it's been extremely frustrating. 01:05:37.735 --> 01:05:40.645 I gotta say, and I, and I hope if someone from 01:05:40.645 --> 01:05:42.084 the Conservative party is listening to this please, 01:05:42.084 --> 01:05:46.495 dear Jesus, God, please, like get someone that 01:05:46.495 --> 01:05:49.345 knows about guns into the OLO to help out with 01:05:49.345 --> 01:05:52.495 policy messaging on this, because I mean, from, 01:05:52.870 --> 01:05:57.430 from Harper to, to Scheer to now, the Conservative 01:05:57.510 --> 01:05:59.430 party's messaging on guns has basically 01:05:59.430 --> 01:06:02.760 been everything I've complained about today, 01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:06.090 wrapped up in a nutshell and paid for, because 01:06:06.090 --> 01:06:06.510 that's what it is. 01:06:06.510 --> 01:06:08.610 Conservative party members are paying for 01:06:08.610 --> 01:06:10.020 communication staff and policy experts 01:06:10.020 --> 01:06:12.240 to draft the policy and communications 01:06:12.240 --> 01:06:13.830 that we've seen from this party on guns. 01:06:14.160 --> 01:06:15.790 And that's where I will say like, again, we'll 01:06:15.790 --> 01:06:18.820 probably piss people off, but it's 2021, some shit 01:06:18.820 --> 01:06:21.100 went down last year where were things are different 01:06:21.100 --> 01:06:22.180 and I've got a kid now, so that's changed 01:06:22.180 --> 01:06:22.840 my perspective too. 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.900 But, um, I'm getting really frustrated cause 01:06:25.900 --> 01:06:28.000 I mean, those, those Conservative party, 01:06:28.870 --> 01:06:29.740 they work for us. 01:06:29.830 --> 01:06:31.210 Let's not forget everyone forgets these 01:06:31.210 --> 01:06:33.580 politicians, they kind of get the impression 01:06:33.580 --> 01:06:34.810 that they kind of represent the party 01:06:34.810 --> 01:06:36.400 in Ottawa, in our ridings, it's supposed 01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:37.180 to be that way around. 01:06:38.080 --> 01:06:42.025 And uh, I'm just getting kind of tired this 01:06:42.025 --> 01:06:44.005 constant like, we'll tell you what our policy 01:06:44.005 --> 01:06:45.445 is going to be and then me getting it and 01:06:45.445 --> 01:06:48.265 being like, what the F, this isn't even good. 01:06:48.355 --> 01:06:50.395 Like, I get the whole, like, trying 01:06:50.395 --> 01:06:52.315 to achieve the voting, like, get the, get 01:06:52.315 --> 01:06:53.035 the gun, vote out. 01:06:53.095 --> 01:06:54.745 That's what the goal always is in politics. 01:06:54.745 --> 01:06:57.565 But like, I don't know. 01:06:57.595 --> 01:06:58.885 Some of that, it's just, it's just been. 01:06:59.410 --> 01:07:00.460 It's like the Common Sense Firearms 01:07:00.460 --> 01:07:01.250 Licensing Act. 01:07:01.270 --> 01:07:03.430 It's like, come on guys, like if you're 01:07:03.430 --> 01:07:04.900 going to open the books, open the books, you 01:07:04.900 --> 01:07:06.760 know, do something, do something right. 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:08.620 Make a substantive change so that we can 01:07:08.620 --> 01:07:10.900 look at a violent crime rates statistic 01:07:10.900 --> 01:07:12.730 that is declining and say, yeah, we were 01:07:12.730 --> 01:07:13.510 part of the solution. 01:07:14.640 --> 01:07:16.650 And address the root causes that actually 01:07:16.890 --> 01:07:18.840 are going to have an effect instead of. 01:07:20.130 --> 01:07:22.530 And that's the thing is I, Erin's statement I 01:07:22.530 --> 01:07:26.310 thought was, it's a very strong, strong statement. 01:07:26.580 --> 01:07:28.435 Um, Surprised me. 01:07:28.555 --> 01:07:28.765 Yeah. 01:07:28.944 --> 01:07:30.384 Uh, I think it's a good statement. 01:07:30.384 --> 01:07:31.345 I think it's all good law. 01:07:31.375 --> 01:07:33.024 I mean, obviously yeah, rewrite all that stuff, 01:07:33.055 --> 01:07:34.574 but I mean, we don't know how to be re-written. 01:07:35.274 --> 01:07:37.584 Um, that's always a concern is Peter McKay 01:07:37.584 --> 01:07:38.875 said he was gonna rewrite firearms act 01:07:38.875 --> 01:07:39.994 and you always go a little bit of like oh 01:07:40.164 --> 01:07:42.024 hmm, if Justin Trudeau said he'd re-wrote the 01:07:42.024 --> 01:07:43.645 firearms act, I might respond to that a bit 01:07:43.645 --> 01:07:45.984 differently than if Erin O'Toole does, but you 01:07:45.984 --> 01:07:47.725 should probably question that at the same time 01:07:48.205 --> 01:07:49.194 as a rational person. 01:07:50.004 --> 01:07:51.984 Um, cause they can rewrite good or bad. 01:07:52.194 --> 01:07:55.685 But the other thing is, um, it's just it's. 01:07:55.895 --> 01:07:58.085 Yeah, it's that lack of, I don't know, lack of 01:07:58.085 --> 01:08:00.445 productivity, I guess it's frustrating to be 01:08:00.445 --> 01:08:03.445 sitting on the sidelines and say like, Hey, you 01:08:03.445 --> 01:08:05.635 know, there's a lot of things you could do 01:08:05.635 --> 01:08:09.445 that would frame the gun discussion in a much 01:08:09.445 --> 01:08:11.305 more positive light. 01:08:11.305 --> 01:08:13.555 And I don't mean that for the anti gun groups that 01:08:13.555 --> 01:08:14.755 are listening to that and thinking I'm going to 01:08:14.755 --> 01:08:15.535 spin that into a thing. 01:08:16.075 --> 01:08:18.535 What I mean by that is like, like Ryan said, 01:08:18.535 --> 01:08:19.464 address the cause. 01:08:19.644 --> 01:08:21.684 Instead of saying, I'm going to roll back 01:08:21.714 --> 01:08:24.804 all this stuff to gun owners, like instead 01:08:24.804 --> 01:08:26.514 of putting a video out for the gun community, 01:08:26.514 --> 01:08:28.674 the video should have been to the general 01:08:28.674 --> 01:08:29.794 Canadian population. 01:08:29.814 --> 01:08:32.004 Justin Trudeau is going to spend probably between 01:08:32.004 --> 01:08:35.394 2 and 5 billion of your tax dollars, buying guns 01:08:35.394 --> 01:08:36.894 back from people that don't commit crimes. 01:08:36.924 --> 01:08:38.424 I would like to spend that money standing up 01:08:38.424 --> 01:08:39.264 a mental health system. 01:08:39.700 --> 01:08:39.939 Yup. 01:08:40.220 --> 01:08:40.729 Mhmm. 01:08:41.269 --> 01:08:42.010 There, you know. 01:08:42.010 --> 01:08:42.189 Yep. 01:08:42.189 --> 01:08:44.799 Or stronger borders or more policing 01:08:44.799 --> 01:08:45.879 and gang units. 01:08:45.879 --> 01:08:47.709 Like there's a giant list of stuff 01:08:47.709 --> 01:08:48.389 that could be done. 01:08:48.389 --> 01:08:49.830 But that's, again, where a lot of the messaging 01:08:49.830 --> 01:08:51.389 on them recently, I got to say, I don't 01:08:51.389 --> 01:08:52.469 understand it in general. 01:08:52.709 --> 01:08:55.200 For politics at large things, like when the 01:08:55.200 --> 01:08:56.769 vaccine, like Erin O'Toole is saying 01:08:56.789 --> 01:08:59.039 we're at the end of the line for vaccines. 01:08:59.249 --> 01:09:00.689 And then everyone was like, no, you're wrong. 01:09:01.019 --> 01:09:02.129 And then it came out he was right. 01:09:02.694 --> 01:09:04.104 And he never said, I told you so. 01:09:04.134 --> 01:09:04.464 Yeah. 01:09:04.524 --> 01:09:05.784 And that was one of those like fundamental, like 01:09:05.784 --> 01:09:07.104 you're a politician, you have to say, I 01:09:07.104 --> 01:09:10.164 told you, like it's you know, it's your job. 01:09:10.194 --> 01:09:11.844 It's literally what opposition does, hold the 01:09:11.844 --> 01:09:12.564 government to account. 01:09:12.564 --> 01:09:15.234 If you were correct, you know, weeks 01:09:15.234 --> 01:09:16.224 before the government. 01:09:16.524 --> 01:09:17.934 Own it, say, yeah, we were right. 01:09:17.964 --> 01:09:19.494 You know, we said this was gonna be a problem. 01:09:19.884 --> 01:09:20.394 And guess what. 01:09:20.554 --> 01:09:21.444 Start to show people. 01:09:21.444 --> 01:09:22.824 And I, I, I think that's the big thing 01:09:22.824 --> 01:09:23.544 is show people. 01:09:24.309 --> 01:09:25.749 This is where I guess fundamentally at that 01:09:25.749 --> 01:09:27.379 oppositional side of gun owners continue 01:09:27.379 --> 01:09:28.509 to saying it's all about the targeting 01:09:28.509 --> 01:09:29.109 and the victimization. 01:09:29.109 --> 01:09:30.219 We lose our guns, all that kind of thing. 01:09:30.819 --> 01:09:33.039 Is it, the oppositional, don't, don't stop 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:34.569 thinking that just because someone 01:09:34.569 --> 01:09:35.829 wants to take your AR-15 away from you, 01:09:35.859 --> 01:09:37.269 they're not your ally. 01:09:37.749 --> 01:09:39.069 We're all Canadians, we all want to live 01:09:39.069 --> 01:09:39.879 in a safer country. 01:09:40.629 --> 01:09:42.579 So I'll start off from that common ground. 01:09:42.579 --> 01:09:44.739 And if they want to maintain distance and 01:09:44.739 --> 01:09:46.329 they don't want to find common ground with 01:09:46.329 --> 01:09:47.139 you, then so be it. 01:09:47.139 --> 01:09:50.289 But be it an anti-gun group or a politician, 01:09:50.289 --> 01:09:51.879 like I think the conservatives need to 01:09:51.879 --> 01:09:55.749 stop opposing and start saying what they do, 01:09:55.749 --> 01:09:58.029 how they lead, like same as gun owners stop 01:09:58.029 --> 01:09:59.419 saying, don't take AR-15. 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.139 Start saying, spend the money on a mental 01:10:02.139 --> 01:10:02.619 health program. 01:10:02.619 --> 01:10:04.149 Spend the money on opioid addiction 01:10:04.149 --> 01:10:05.829 counseling, spend the money on border patrol, 01:10:05.829 --> 01:10:07.569 spend the money on drug interdiction, spend the 01:10:07.569 --> 01:10:10.269 money on money laundering investigations. 01:10:10.269 --> 01:10:13.119 Like spend the money on any one of those other 01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:16.619 things, then we can talk about the guns, would be 01:10:16.619 --> 01:10:18.959 a way better discussion to have, and I just. 01:10:19.990 --> 01:10:21.219 Everyone's just butting heads it's gets 01:10:21.219 --> 01:10:22.030 super partisan, man. 01:10:22.179 --> 01:10:24.129 I think it's almost better to almost ignore 01:10:24.129 --> 01:10:27.940 the gun thing and just, uh, just aim towards 01:10:27.940 --> 01:10:30.339 the root causes of what's going on and 01:10:30.339 --> 01:10:31.389 how they would fix it. 01:10:31.929 --> 01:10:33.370 And in turn, that's going to, that's 01:10:33.370 --> 01:10:35.709 going to fix the gun issues in the end. 01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:37.660 Uh, everybody's gonna be happy. 01:10:38.695 --> 01:10:40.735 And the gun owners are gonna know that if you, 01:10:40.945 --> 01:10:42.235 if you achieve those things that you're 01:10:42.235 --> 01:10:45.264 promising to do, that in the end, everybody's 01:10:45.264 --> 01:10:45.894 going to be safer. 01:10:45.894 --> 01:10:48.084 And the gun folks will more than likely 01:10:48.084 --> 01:10:50.124 still have what they, what they have. 01:10:51.014 --> 01:10:54.044 I think lik if, if I think that's a good 01:10:54.075 --> 01:10:56.504 perspective for people to have is if you were 01:10:56.504 --> 01:10:58.994 to think like what you said, Ryan, about, if 01:10:58.994 --> 01:11:01.844 gun owners were striving for a safer Canada. 01:11:02.084 --> 01:11:04.514 If Canada's gun homicide rate was 01:11:04.539 --> 01:11:07.059 single digits, there is no government that 01:11:07.059 --> 01:11:09.099 could justify spending any amount of taxpayer 01:11:09.099 --> 01:11:11.619 dollars pulling guns out of civilian hands. 01:11:13.029 --> 01:11:14.469 So gun owners should be striving for that 01:11:14.469 --> 01:11:15.400 number to drop too. 01:11:15.610 --> 01:11:17.830 Um, obviously there's the law of 01:11:17.830 --> 01:11:18.580 diminishing return. 01:11:18.589 --> 01:11:20.139 So it does get really hard once we're at, I 01:11:20.139 --> 01:11:22.059 mean, we're at 200 people on average, it's for a 01:11:22.059 --> 01:11:23.840 country of 32 million is pretty small number for. 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:24.430 That's very small. 01:11:24.430 --> 01:11:24.830 Murders. 01:11:25.730 --> 01:11:27.460 But I think too, you know, one of these bad 01:11:27.460 --> 01:11:29.380 things happen, what you said, Ryan kind 01:11:29.380 --> 01:11:31.089 of spawned a bit of a thought in my head 01:11:31.089 --> 01:11:32.679 of like this, what I've talked about with 01:11:32.679 --> 01:11:35.035 regards to gun owners thinking a little bit 01:11:35.155 --> 01:11:37.255 beyond the scope of their gun safe when they 01:11:37.255 --> 01:11:37.974 see these headlines. 01:11:37.974 --> 01:11:41.245 Is, um, I'm a young guy that who sadly is 01:11:41.845 --> 01:11:43.825 like, you know, like I said, growing up in this 01:11:43.825 --> 01:11:46.135 nineties, 2000 generation of school shootings, 01:11:46.165 --> 01:11:48.385 Columbine was during my childhood and I grew up 01:11:49.014 --> 01:11:51.835 in a era of just constant school shootings, 01:11:51.865 --> 01:11:55.644 pretty much, um, they're not the gun's fault. 01:11:55.825 --> 01:11:57.745 I always get media interviews where, okay, 01:11:57.745 --> 01:11:59.245 well, what does this have to do with guns is always 01:11:59.245 --> 01:12:00.624 the response, because it doesn't have anything to 01:12:00.624 --> 01:12:02.245 do with guns because if a kid wants to shoot up 01:12:02.245 --> 01:12:04.044 a school, they'll find some other thing to do, 01:12:04.105 --> 01:12:05.704 you know, Timothy McVeigh or you name it, is a 01:12:05.704 --> 01:12:07.764 common, I honestly do. 01:12:07.764 --> 01:12:09.174 Like if a kid's going to grab a 12 gauge and 01:12:09.174 --> 01:12:11.304 shoot another kid, I don't know like, I'm not 01:12:11.304 --> 01:12:14.065 the guy to, to say, you know, what do you do? 01:12:14.094 --> 01:12:16.794 Like kid needs mental help, not like, not to 01:12:16.794 --> 01:12:19.114 take a shotgun away, like taking a kids 01:12:19.114 --> 01:12:20.275 shotgun away, he's still gonna try and 01:12:20.275 --> 01:12:20.894 kill another kids. 01:12:20.894 --> 01:12:21.594 So it's a little weird. 01:12:22.254 --> 01:12:22.735 Um. 01:12:22.884 --> 01:12:23.124 Yeah. 01:12:23.154 --> 01:12:24.954 But what I've always thought is like all of 01:12:24.954 --> 01:12:27.414 the, so I don't associate with that as a gun owner, 01:12:28.164 --> 01:12:29.994 but I do associate with that as a young man, 01:12:30.594 --> 01:12:32.424 because I've never seen a mass shooting perpetrated 01:12:32.424 --> 01:12:33.054 by a young woman. 01:12:33.925 --> 01:12:37.105 And that's where I've that, that thought. 01:12:37.224 --> 01:12:38.724 I don't know when I had, I think it was a 01:12:38.724 --> 01:12:40.375 few years ago that it suddenly occurred to 01:12:40.375 --> 01:12:42.955 me and I thought, you know, um, it was when 01:12:42.955 --> 01:12:44.125 Courtney, we're talking about having our first 01:12:44.125 --> 01:12:45.565 kid and you inevitably think, well, what if I 01:12:45.565 --> 01:12:47.844 have a son, you know, and mini me kind of thoughts. 01:12:48.684 --> 01:12:49.945 And you think about what's going on with 01:12:49.945 --> 01:12:51.054 the kids these days. 01:12:51.054 --> 01:12:53.485 And I have concerns about Tik Tok like everyone 01:12:53.485 --> 01:12:54.955 else, but then you see these shootings and 01:12:54.955 --> 01:12:58.819 you think young men um, might be in a certain, 01:12:59.329 --> 01:13:01.489 some, some young men clearly find themselves 01:13:01.489 --> 01:13:03.619 in a, in a state of very clear distress. 01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:07.159 Um, and obviously while the school shootings 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:09.230 themselves are, are super, super sad. 01:13:09.230 --> 01:13:10.879 I think that, and it's, it's obviously very 01:13:10.879 --> 01:13:12.739 hard to think about the perpetrators as victims 01:13:12.739 --> 01:13:14.959 themselves, but I think fundamentally, as someone 01:13:14.959 --> 01:13:16.249 that has a background in mental health, you 01:13:16.249 --> 01:13:18.079 do have to look at that and realize that. 01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:21.949 Like, if anyone is wondering, just go watch 01:13:21.949 --> 01:13:23.269 a prison documentary and tell me you don't 01:13:23.269 --> 01:13:26.214 feel bad for the guy who was abused sexually 01:13:26.214 --> 01:13:28.945 from the age of three to 16 and then entered 01:13:28.945 --> 01:13:30.474 a life of crime because he's never known a life 01:13:30.474 --> 01:13:31.855 of normalcy, right? 01:13:31.855 --> 01:13:33.294 Like you have to feel sorry for these people. 01:13:33.294 --> 01:13:34.974 They, they were not given the opportunities 01:13:34.974 --> 01:13:35.875 that some of us were. 01:13:36.415 --> 01:13:38.514 Um, I think it's the same thing goes on with the 01:13:38.514 --> 01:13:40.644 gangbangers in Toronto and Vancouver is it's, 01:13:41.575 --> 01:13:42.745 they're not doing it because they've got a 01:13:42.745 --> 01:13:44.544 great job and they're like, man, I really don't 01:13:44.544 --> 01:13:46.375 like my boss at this cushy nine to five, I'm 01:13:46.375 --> 01:13:47.424 going to go sell drugs. 01:13:47.424 --> 01:13:50.634 Like it's not really how it goes most of the time. 01:13:50.634 --> 01:13:56.080 So keeping in mind, you know, when a gun enters 01:13:56.080 --> 01:13:59.019 a violent situation, there is no one winning 01:13:59.620 --> 01:14:01.179 and chances are, there was no one winning 01:14:01.179 --> 01:14:02.620 when that happened in the first place. 01:14:03.070 --> 01:14:06.280 Um, it was just a bunch of people who are trying 01:14:06.280 --> 01:14:08.290 to find a way to win and don't know how, and I 01:14:08.290 --> 01:14:10.030 think guts it's on all of us to help them out. 01:14:10.860 --> 01:14:14.639 Well, Daniel, Ryan, I've got a bunch of 01:14:14.639 --> 01:14:18.769 notes that I had taken just on C-21 alone. 01:14:19.160 --> 01:14:22.990 Some on C-71 some on the OIC and I much 01:14:22.990 --> 01:14:24.700 prefer where this conversation went. 01:14:24.820 --> 01:14:25.579 I think it was much. 01:14:25.579 --> 01:14:26.299 Bomb through them quick. 01:14:26.379 --> 01:14:29.490 I got a 20 second, hammer through yellow flags. 01:14:29.490 --> 01:14:32.070 I can just, you tell the, say the word 01:14:32.070 --> 01:14:32.639 I'll give her man. 01:14:34.070 --> 01:14:34.490 You know what? 01:14:34.490 --> 01:14:35.160 Givin' 'er the whole time. 01:14:35.490 --> 01:14:37.230 I was, I was going to throw it up on the 01:14:37.230 --> 01:14:39.059 website and I still might do that as well. 01:14:39.059 --> 01:14:41.610 Just a quick synopsis so people can look at it. 01:14:41.789 --> 01:14:43.980 Of course, on The Silvercore blog, we have 01:14:43.980 --> 01:14:45.660 complete transcripts knowing full well 01:14:45.660 --> 01:14:48.150 that some people would prefer to read 01:14:48.240 --> 01:14:49.830 or watch or listen. 01:14:50.424 --> 01:14:54.144 But, hey, you know what Daniel, if you 01:14:54.144 --> 01:14:57.624 want, uh, we've got a real quick list here. 01:14:57.624 --> 01:15:00.054 Red flag, yellow flag, turning your guns during 01:15:00.054 --> 01:15:01.974 a legal challenge, replica firearms. 01:15:02.404 --> 01:15:05.334 Uh, deletion replacement of grandfathering, 01:15:05.334 --> 01:15:09.054 municipal firearms bans, uh, ammo, individuals 01:15:09.054 --> 01:15:11.004 without a firearms license cannot obtain 01:15:11.004 --> 01:15:14.544 ammo abroad, uh, mag capacity, uh, new, 01:15:14.844 --> 01:15:17.634 uh, terms for, uh, unpinned magazines. 01:15:18.084 --> 01:15:20.994 Um, mail order transfers and centralize 01:15:21.004 --> 01:15:22.104 authorization to carry. 01:15:22.104 --> 01:15:24.834 So no longer the CFO now a central 01:15:24.834 --> 01:15:27.684 commissionaire, cause we know the CFOs are run 01:15:27.684 --> 01:15:30.524 off their feet, giving out, uh, authorization. 01:15:30.664 --> 01:15:30.794 ATC's. 01:15:30.794 --> 01:15:32.454 To carry right, for. 01:15:32.454 --> 01:15:32.684 Mhmm. 01:15:33.714 --> 01:15:35.964 Uh, so that those are the main bullet 01:15:35.964 --> 01:15:36.714 points I have. 01:15:37.284 --> 01:15:39.564 Uh, I did have one interesting thought 01:15:39.564 --> 01:15:41.754 on, on replica's cause that touches on 01:15:42.144 --> 01:15:43.884 a lot of people who are into airsoft and 01:15:43.884 --> 01:15:44.714 some paintball and 01:15:44.714 --> 01:15:46.615 . And that's, that's closer to your, there's a 01:15:46.634 --> 01:15:48.344 bit of a venn diagram overlap with your, 01:15:48.584 --> 01:15:50.054 some of your background training and stuff too. 01:15:50.054 --> 01:15:50.485 There isn't ever-. 01:15:51.464 --> 01:15:53.594 Perhaps a little bit, you're talking about 01:15:53.594 --> 01:15:56.204 disabled deactivated, active, destroyed. 01:15:56.264 --> 01:15:58.574 Uh, I think I've got a little bit of authority 01:15:58.574 --> 01:15:59.474 to be able to speak on. 01:15:59.474 --> 01:16:00.134 A little bit of knowledge on it. 01:16:00.134 --> 01:16:00.744 On these ones. 01:16:01.364 --> 01:16:05.094 Um, in fact, I've sitting in this podcast studio, 01:16:05.094 --> 01:16:10.195 which was once my office, we've had the, um, uh, 01:16:10.224 --> 01:16:12.384 some very high ranking people from the firearms 01:16:12.384 --> 01:16:15.714 program uh, having some discussions on this who 01:16:15.714 --> 01:16:18.684 flew in specifically from back east to talk on it. 01:16:19.105 --> 01:16:22.105 I remember one individual who, uh, suddenly 01:16:22.134 --> 01:16:25.974 couldn't speak anymore when, uh, she noticed 01:16:25.974 --> 01:16:28.285 that there were cameras in the office because we 01:16:28.285 --> 01:16:30.294 are a security related, related business. 01:16:30.844 --> 01:16:34.174 And, uh, tried to conduct the entire 01:16:34.324 --> 01:16:37.264 meeting through hand gestures, but, uh, it 01:16:37.264 --> 01:16:38.374 was, it was interesting. 01:16:38.404 --> 01:16:39.405 But did you want to. 01:16:40.624 --> 01:16:42.445 Fricken heck man, like. 01:16:43.115 --> 01:16:44.874 And I still have that video I'm sure kicking 01:16:44.874 --> 01:16:46.594 around somewhere. 01:16:48.104 --> 01:16:49.414 The puppet show. 01:16:50.134 --> 01:16:50.674 So yeah. 01:16:50.704 --> 01:16:52.504 Did you have any on, on those things, did 01:16:52.504 --> 01:16:54.724 you have any, I mean, obviously abrogating 01:16:54.724 --> 01:16:57.664 control of the handgun issue from the feds 01:16:57.664 --> 01:16:58.834 to the municipalities. 01:16:59.459 --> 01:17:00.499 It has some huge. 01:17:00.589 --> 01:17:01.129 It's insane. 01:17:01.309 --> 01:17:01.839 I dont. 01:17:01.839 --> 01:17:02.990 Constitutional issues. 01:17:03.019 --> 01:17:03.330 I don't, like. 01:17:03.330 --> 01:17:04.940 And it can bleed over into other areas that 01:17:04.940 --> 01:17:05.940 are not even firearms. 01:17:05.940 --> 01:17:07.659 Oh yeah, people don't even understand what's 01:17:07.659 --> 01:17:08.049 going to happen. 01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:10.480 I mean, like for those listening, fundamentally 01:17:10.480 --> 01:17:12.099 the constitutional problem with this, 01:17:12.099 --> 01:17:13.690 and I'm not a lawyer, but I do know a 01:17:13.690 --> 01:17:14.589 constitutional lawyer. 01:17:14.650 --> 01:17:17.200 And my first call after this was to him, uh, 01:17:17.230 --> 01:17:18.759 fundamentally your firearms license is a 01:17:18.759 --> 01:17:19.629 federal document, right? 01:17:19.629 --> 01:17:20.619 Like the federal government issued 01:17:20.619 --> 01:17:21.129 that to you. 01:17:21.879 --> 01:17:22.019 Right. 01:17:22.019 --> 01:17:22.519 And what C-21 is saying. 01:17:22.519 --> 01:17:25.329 They call a it geographic extent, I think is the 01:17:25.329 --> 01:17:27.400 actual words that they use in the firearms act. 01:17:27.429 --> 01:17:27.669 Yeah. 01:17:28.015 --> 01:17:28.285 Right. 01:17:28.795 --> 01:17:30.295 And you can't see it, but I'm, I'm 01:17:30.295 --> 01:17:31.135 laughing and smiling. 01:17:31.135 --> 01:17:32.275 Cause this is legitimately just a 01:17:32.275 --> 01:17:35.275 farcically comical portion of this law and 01:17:35.275 --> 01:17:37.555 that they want to have a federal license, where 01:17:37.555 --> 01:17:39.894 your city council passes a bylaw that says you 01:17:39.894 --> 01:17:40.974 can't own a handgun. 01:17:40.974 --> 01:17:43.105 Or if you do, you have to have these special laws. 01:17:43.105 --> 01:17:45.834 Cause like, they haven't said that municipalities 01:17:45.834 --> 01:17:47.454 can opt into an existing set of laws. 01:17:47.454 --> 01:17:48.654 They just said, municipalities can make 01:17:48.654 --> 01:17:52.224 some laws and whatever they say for handgun 01:17:52.224 --> 01:17:54.534 storage, possession, transport, you name it. 01:17:55.194 --> 01:17:56.694 They will put on your license as 01:17:56.694 --> 01:18:00.084 conditions, making your bylaw of federal 01:18:00.084 --> 01:18:01.134 statute essentially. 01:18:01.164 --> 01:18:01.374 Right. 01:18:01.384 --> 01:18:02.994 Because if they're going to enforce it on the 01:18:02.994 --> 01:18:05.184 back of your license to federal condition on your 01:18:05.184 --> 01:18:07.044 federal license and like. 01:18:07.525 --> 01:18:10.494 I don't think, I mean, hey, like I said, I 01:18:10.494 --> 01:18:11.454 don't think any of this will happen. 01:18:11.454 --> 01:18:13.254 And I will say so for the big synopsis of 01:18:13.254 --> 01:18:15.025 people want a better run down on a lot of 01:18:15.025 --> 01:18:16.074 these things in detail. 01:18:16.074 --> 01:18:18.384 I can highly recommend, I like Ian Runkle's 01:18:18.384 --> 01:18:20.844 channel lot, the YouTube lawyer out there talking 01:18:20.844 --> 01:18:21.534 about this stuff. 01:18:22.134 --> 01:18:24.714 Um, the red flag laws terrible, it's just 01:18:24.714 --> 01:18:25.884 an extension of what's already out there as 01:18:25.884 --> 01:18:26.724 an existing system. 01:18:26.754 --> 01:18:29.544 I know within private RCMP Facebook groups, 01:18:29.574 --> 01:18:31.914 they don't like this because specifically, uh, 01:18:32.244 --> 01:18:34.734 they don't actually like RCMP frontline officers 01:18:34.734 --> 01:18:36.384 don't like the idea of going into your house 01:18:36.384 --> 01:18:38.065 and seizing stuff, a little warrant because 01:18:38.065 --> 01:18:40.315 RCMP officers, they do have to go to court. 01:18:40.315 --> 01:18:41.754 They do have to testify on all these things 01:18:41.754 --> 01:18:43.344 and they look at it and go like, this is just 01:18:43.344 --> 01:18:43.974 going to get abused. 01:18:44.004 --> 01:18:44.634 They've all seen it. 01:18:44.634 --> 01:18:45.804 They know that this is just going to be 01:18:45.804 --> 01:18:48.624 abused by a bunch of people to ruin their 01:18:48.624 --> 01:18:51.669 ex-husband's deer season because newsflash, if 01:18:51.669 --> 01:18:52.389 they take your guns. 01:18:52.419 --> 01:18:54.459 Now, the new system is the red flag law. 01:18:54.490 --> 01:18:56.289 They take your guns away for 30 days while they 01:18:56.289 --> 01:18:58.509 do an investigation to find out if the supposed 01:18:58.509 --> 01:19:00.280 complaint levied against you from a public 01:19:00.280 --> 01:19:02.230 safety perspective was verified or not. 01:19:02.709 --> 01:19:04.870 The yellow flag laws that you can't move your 01:19:04.870 --> 01:19:07.030 guns, use your guns, buy your guns, or sell your 01:19:07.030 --> 01:19:08.980 guns, they're parked in your house for 30 01:19:08.980 --> 01:19:10.509 days while they conduct the investigation. 01:19:11.434 --> 01:19:14.345 The law in both cases allows for the 30 day 01:19:14.405 --> 01:19:16.224 period to be extended, I believe once. 01:19:16.285 --> 01:19:17.695 And then an additional complaint will allow 01:19:17.695 --> 01:19:19.795 the courts to levy these penalties against you for 01:19:19.795 --> 01:19:21.175 a maximum of five years. 01:19:21.175 --> 01:19:22.825 If the complaint has found justified, 01:19:22.825 --> 01:19:24.355 obviously that's different because then 01:19:24.445 --> 01:19:27.295 the courts decide within the framework of the law. 01:19:27.325 --> 01:19:29.875 But yeah, 30 days it's not judicial, 01:19:30.535 --> 01:19:32.005 there's no judicial oversight, and what 01:19:32.005 --> 01:19:33.325 that means that if it happens to you, there's 01:19:33.325 --> 01:19:34.075 nothing you can do. 01:19:34.255 --> 01:19:35.485 You, there's nowhere to call. 01:19:35.514 --> 01:19:37.865 Um, judicial oversight is when you can call a 01:19:37.865 --> 01:19:39.394 lawyer who can get you in front of a judge who 01:19:39.394 --> 01:19:41.285 can tell the government, this is illegal, 01:19:41.285 --> 01:19:41.945 you can't do this. 01:19:41.945 --> 01:19:43.205 There's nothing in this for that, 01:19:43.205 --> 01:19:44.764 because you don't have a right to gun. 01:19:44.775 --> 01:19:46.054 So if the CFO says you can't have him 01:19:46.054 --> 01:19:47.764 for 30 days, you have no compensation. 01:19:48.245 --> 01:19:49.865 Um, that's obviously insane. 01:19:50.375 --> 01:19:53.825 Um, no one likes it and this is where again, I 01:19:53.825 --> 01:19:56.764 think people will find, you know, the advertising 01:19:56.764 --> 01:19:57.875 ban it's poorly worded. 01:19:57.875 --> 01:19:58.714 It makes no sense. 01:19:58.775 --> 01:20:01.495 Um, the municipal handgun ban, unconstitutional 01:20:01.495 --> 01:20:02.995 and completely illegal. 01:20:02.995 --> 01:20:05.514 And talk about like, you want to talk about, if 01:20:05.514 --> 01:20:07.344 anything, the buyback is going to cost two 01:20:07.344 --> 01:20:09.144 to 5 billion, maybe up to 8 billion, depending 01:20:09.144 --> 01:20:09.775 on how they count it. 01:20:10.315 --> 01:20:12.054 I think the municipal bylaw bank could even 01:20:12.054 --> 01:20:13.764 eclipse that amount because the amount of 01:20:13.764 --> 01:20:15.714 lawyers that will have to be hired to figure 01:20:15.714 --> 01:20:20.035 out each individual case like, it's nuts. 01:20:20.065 --> 01:20:23.155 Um, and I mean, when you think like, and I know 01:20:23.155 --> 01:20:24.445 that there are people, oh no one's going to sue. 01:20:24.714 --> 01:20:30.219 I guarantee you, if The Shooting Edge is going to 01:20:30.219 --> 01:20:31.780 be put out of business by a municipal handgun ban, 01:20:32.289 --> 01:20:33.490 the first phone call J.R. 01:20:33.490 --> 01:20:35.339 Cox makes, is to a freaking lawyer. 01:20:36.730 --> 01:20:38.759 Like everyone thinks about these laws from 01:20:38.759 --> 01:20:39.990 the perspective that individuals, but they 01:20:39.990 --> 01:20:42.209 forget that even with the buyback, I, you know, I 01:20:42.209 --> 01:20:44.999 have a decent amount of guns, but I'm probably 01:20:44.999 --> 01:20:46.019 not suing to keep them. 01:20:46.019 --> 01:20:47.400 A lawyer will cost me more than the guns are 01:20:47.400 --> 01:20:48.419 worth in some cases. 01:20:48.780 --> 01:20:52.410 I'm not North Sylva so if North Sylva's sitting 01:20:52.410 --> 01:20:54.450 on millions of dollars, worth of Bushnell AR 01:20:54.450 --> 01:20:56.309 specific optics, okay. 01:20:57.009 --> 01:20:58.030 Am I going to go after the government 01:20:58.030 --> 01:20:58.749 try and compensation? 01:20:58.780 --> 01:21:00.820 Yes, because it's probably easier to sue 01:21:00.820 --> 01:21:02.799 the government to get my full retail purchase 01:21:02.799 --> 01:21:05.320 price and taxes and duties and storage 01:21:05.589 --> 01:21:07.089 out of the government on those optics than 01:21:07.089 --> 01:21:07.780 it is to sell them. 01:21:07.959 --> 01:21:09.610 Because what do you put it on now? 01:21:09.669 --> 01:21:09.940 Right. 01:21:10.719 --> 01:21:13.150 Um, so that, shit's just going to go nuts, um. 01:21:13.639 --> 01:21:15.870 Had a buddy that had an interesting point on a 01:21:15.929 --> 01:21:18.419 municipal handgun ban and driving out, uh, 01:21:18.450 --> 01:21:19.559 conservative voters. 01:21:20.219 --> 01:21:23.540 So, his thought was that, uh, if you have a, uh, 01:21:23.580 --> 01:21:26.190 like a purple riding or whatever, that could 01:21:26.190 --> 01:21:28.889 go either way, and it would be easy enough for 01:21:28.889 --> 01:21:32.730 the government to say that we're to, uh, not 01:21:32.730 --> 01:21:34.710 implement, but, uh, sort of point them in the 01:21:34.710 --> 01:21:37.650 direction to, hey, maybe you guys should implement 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:39.269 a municipal handgun ban. 01:21:40.139 --> 01:21:42.120 So then the vote, the Conservative voters at 01:21:42.120 --> 01:21:44.309 that point have choices. 01:21:44.309 --> 01:21:45.690 They can either get rid of their stuff 01:21:45.750 --> 01:21:46.530 or they can move. 01:21:46.740 --> 01:21:49.470 Uh, and if they end up moving, what happens 01:21:49.470 --> 01:21:50.965 to that riding? 01:21:52.105 --> 01:21:53.185 Well, the riding goes red. 01:21:54.065 --> 01:21:55.554 It almost gerrymanders in reverse. 01:21:55.615 --> 01:21:55.735 Yeah. 01:21:56.205 --> 01:21:58.545 And so after, at that point, you're picking 01:21:58.545 --> 01:22:00.795 up seats in the house, uh, because each one 01:22:00.795 --> 01:22:04.184 of those ridings is a seat and away we go. 01:22:04.755 --> 01:22:07.615 It certainly would increase the, the 01:22:07.615 --> 01:22:09.235 partisanship, I mean that rural, urban 01:22:09.235 --> 01:22:11.125 divide and the East, West divide, for sure. 01:22:11.214 --> 01:22:11.934 Yeah, for sure. 01:22:12.084 --> 01:22:13.945 And I think that relates to the, uh, Travis 01:22:13.945 --> 01:22:16.075 mentioned about the centralized CFO thing. 01:22:16.075 --> 01:22:18.924 For those that don't know, um, CFOs do 01:22:18.924 --> 01:22:20.934 have massive amounts of, of leeway when 01:22:20.934 --> 01:22:22.224 it comes to ATCs. 01:22:22.434 --> 01:22:25.035 Um, as in like a CFO could just issue you one. 01:22:25.035 --> 01:22:28.599 You could, you could, may issue or shall issue 01:22:28.599 --> 01:22:30.489 is potentially within reach within Canada. 01:22:30.519 --> 01:22:32.169 If a CFO decided it was, they would just have to 01:22:32.169 --> 01:22:33.879 make a personal decision and have a provincial 01:22:33.879 --> 01:22:35.139 government that didn't fire them for it. 01:22:35.859 --> 01:22:38.169 Um, I mean the head of the Saskatchewan Wildlife 01:22:38.169 --> 01:22:40.169 Federation, I think it was Saskatchewan Wildlife 01:22:40.169 --> 01:22:41.230 Federation, there's two, the Saskatchewan 01:22:41.230 --> 01:22:42.249 Wildlife Federation, and then another one. 01:22:42.849 --> 01:22:44.079 I believe it was him, Bob is his name, 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:45.519 he's the current CFO of Saskatchewan. 01:22:46.029 --> 01:22:48.745 Um, He's obviously a gun guy, right? 01:22:48.745 --> 01:22:51.325 So, uh, with, with Jason Kenney potentially 01:22:51.325 --> 01:22:52.655 higher, I think that's what this is, there's 01:22:52.755 --> 01:22:53.575 a Jason Kenney. 01:22:53.575 --> 01:22:54.924 Cause there's been lots of talk about 01:22:54.924 --> 01:22:56.724 Jason Kenney hiring a provincial CFO. 01:22:56.804 --> 01:22:56.905 Yeah. 01:22:56.955 --> 01:22:57.254 And. 01:22:57.384 --> 01:22:59.054 So that'll be two provinces that have. 01:22:59.504 --> 01:23:01.275 Well, and the big thing, and I think the Trudeau's 01:23:01.275 --> 01:23:03.554 worry about is it Kenny is, Kenny and Alberta 01:23:03.554 --> 01:23:05.474 are the only province in a position right 01:23:05.474 --> 01:23:07.874 now to politically, Saskatchewan could, 01:23:08.235 --> 01:23:10.779 but they'd get crushed by, Saskatchewan's big 01:23:10.779 --> 01:23:12.179 enough to go up against the national media. 01:23:12.179 --> 01:23:13.659 So when the entire weight of Canada comes 01:23:13.659 --> 01:23:15.190 down on them going like, no, you shouldn't carry 01:23:15.190 --> 01:23:17.019 guns and Saskatchewan might acquiesce. 01:23:17.379 --> 01:23:17.559 Yep. 01:23:17.769 --> 01:23:19.449 Um, but Alberta's not like that. 01:23:19.539 --> 01:23:22.799 And Alberta's got nothing to lose anymore, with 01:23:22.799 --> 01:23:23.829 all the pipeline stuff. 01:23:23.829 --> 01:23:24.239 Yep. 01:23:24.719 --> 01:23:26.669 Trudeau has to be looking at it and going Jason, 01:23:26.849 --> 01:23:28.379 like in the same way that Trudeau looks at 01:23:28.379 --> 01:23:29.839 this and goes, this is a great way to get votes, 01:23:29.839 --> 01:23:31.230 which is again why I think it's reprehensible 01:23:31.230 --> 01:23:33.969 because to be clear, a 14 year old was shot 01:23:33.969 --> 01:23:35.769 in the face and Justin Trudeau's response was 01:23:35.769 --> 01:23:37.570 bill C-21, which is never going to become a law. 01:23:37.570 --> 01:23:38.980 So instead of actually helping kids, he's 01:23:38.980 --> 01:23:40.330 decided to just use them as votes. 01:23:40.660 --> 01:23:42.870 So not done nothing, that's the clar-, 01:23:43.179 --> 01:23:44.230 what pisses me off. 01:23:44.530 --> 01:23:45.370 He's done something. 01:23:45.460 --> 01:23:46.599 He's done the things to help. 01:23:47.544 --> 01:23:48.714 He's chosen to get votes. 01:23:48.714 --> 01:23:49.434 He's chosen. 01:23:49.464 --> 01:23:51.985 Like he has the entire weight of the 01:23:51.985 --> 01:23:54.235 Canadian government and armed forces behind 01:23:54.235 --> 01:23:56.695 him, including our strongest ally being 01:23:56.695 --> 01:23:57.624 the United States. 01:23:57.985 --> 01:23:59.754 And he thinks the best way to stop kids from 01:23:59.754 --> 01:24:00.954 shooting each other in Toronto is taking 01:24:00.954 --> 01:24:02.605 away my gun, which is fucking bullshit. 01:24:02.874 --> 01:24:04.589 So in other words, he's choosing to use 01:24:04.589 --> 01:24:05.729 dead kids to get votes. 01:24:05.789 --> 01:24:06.869 That's literally what it is. 01:24:06.869 --> 01:24:08.699 And I would challenge, I don't care if Rosemary 01:24:08.729 --> 01:24:09.989 Barton wants to do interview with me, I 01:24:09.989 --> 01:24:11.879 would stick to my goddamn statement on that cause 01:24:11.879 --> 01:24:12.449 they ain't changed it. 01:24:12.839 --> 01:24:14.489 You can't tell me otherwise, there's no 01:24:14.489 --> 01:24:15.359 justification for this. 01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:17.219 Bill Blair himself said as chief of Toronto 01:24:17.219 --> 01:24:19.129 police, municipal handgun bans don't make sense. 01:24:20.269 --> 01:24:21.439 You know, and now he's changing his 01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:23.589 tune, because it makes political sense. 01:24:23.589 --> 01:24:23.709 Sure. 01:24:23.709 --> 01:24:24.189 Of course. 01:24:24.189 --> 01:24:26.799 I think like it's just, you know, ugh, I got 01:24:26.799 --> 01:24:28.554 all angry and lost my train of thought, but. 01:24:28.974 --> 01:24:29.425 It was good. 01:24:29.844 --> 01:24:30.384 It was good. 01:24:30.384 --> 01:24:31.315 We liked it. 01:24:31.974 --> 01:24:33.085 Fucking Trudeau, man. 01:24:34.014 --> 01:24:34.495 Um. 01:24:34.785 --> 01:24:37.695 So replica firearms, replica firearms are 01:24:37.695 --> 01:24:38.594 prohibited already. 01:24:38.655 --> 01:24:40.394 It sounds like they're looking at some expansion 01:24:40.425 --> 01:24:44.980 to what is deemed a replica firearm, and that 01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:47.049 is to include airsoft. 01:24:47.349 --> 01:24:50.019 And so there's a whole slew of people out 01:24:50.019 --> 01:24:52.660 there that have never owned firearms and not 01:24:52.660 --> 01:24:54.969 interested in firearms in general, right. 01:24:55.030 --> 01:24:57.370 And I guess people, some people listen to this 01:24:57.370 --> 01:24:59.110 will have a distinction and they'll think, well, 01:24:59.110 --> 01:25:01.120 a firearm is something that goes bang over 500 01:25:01.120 --> 01:25:04.150 feet per second, 5.7 joules of energy, that's 01:25:04.150 --> 01:25:05.469 a regulated firearm. 01:25:06.384 --> 01:25:09.654 Airsoft, pellet guns still fall under the 01:25:09.654 --> 01:25:13.824 firearm label and if you use, let's say a 01:25:13.824 --> 01:25:15.565 pellet gun to go and hold up your local 01:25:15.565 --> 01:25:17.684 liquor store, you will be charged with a firearms 01:25:17.684 --> 01:25:18.714 related offence right. 01:25:18.774 --> 01:25:22.614 And then provincially firearms and municipally 01:25:22.614 --> 01:25:23.634 on the firearm side. 01:25:24.384 --> 01:25:31.074 So the, the concept here, I guess, is 01:25:31.074 --> 01:25:33.700 these guns that, these, these items that kind 01:25:33.700 --> 01:25:34.660 of look like guns. 01:25:34.929 --> 01:25:37.900 We're going to just make the replica law a 01:25:37.900 --> 01:25:39.129 little bit more robust. 01:25:39.190 --> 01:25:42.160 And of course, these guys are going to be 01:25:42.160 --> 01:25:44.110 affected by it, guys and girls, of course, 01:25:44.110 --> 01:25:46.450 they shouldn't talk in the one way there. 01:25:46.780 --> 01:25:49.389 But I was thinking based on some of my 01:25:49.389 --> 01:25:51.549 experience I've had in the past, dealing with 01:25:51.789 --> 01:25:56.410 different regulatory bodies, I actually 01:25:56.589 --> 01:25:57.730 can see a solution. 01:25:57.759 --> 01:25:59.799 Not that I would advocate for this. 01:26:00.324 --> 01:26:02.664 But the solution for the airsoft is out 01:26:02.664 --> 01:26:05.094 there, if they still wanted to do airsoft. 01:26:05.904 --> 01:26:08.214 Would be to use real firearms. 01:26:08.244 --> 01:26:09.764 And let me explain what I mean by that. 01:26:09.764 --> 01:26:10.085 Mass murder. 01:26:10.815 --> 01:26:12.184 If something is developed. 01:26:13.724 --> 01:26:16.794 If something is developed as a firearm, it was 01:26:16.794 --> 01:26:19.105 never developed to imitate a firearm, 01:26:19.184 --> 01:26:20.304 it was a firearm. 01:26:20.634 --> 01:26:22.194 If you deactivate that. 01:26:22.374 --> 01:26:24.084 And now there are some guidelines for 01:26:24.084 --> 01:26:25.944 deactivation and you can exceed those 01:26:25.944 --> 01:26:27.985 guidelines and not be deemed deactivated or 01:26:27.985 --> 01:26:29.934 fall below it and be deemed deactivated. 01:26:31.074 --> 01:26:33.654 Whatever you do once it's deactivated in the 01:26:33.654 --> 01:26:36.595 eyes of the law, it is no longer a firearm. 01:26:37.075 --> 01:26:38.635 You then pull the guts out through some 01:26:38.635 --> 01:26:41.785 CO2 or green gas and the, whatever you 01:26:41.785 --> 01:26:42.655 want inside the thing. 01:26:42.655 --> 01:26:44.845 And you can run around and play airsoft again 01:26:45.355 --> 01:26:49.315 with what was originally designed to be a firearm. 01:26:50.155 --> 01:26:52.405 Does that make logistical sense? 01:26:52.434 --> 01:26:57.295 No, but if you look at it from a, just a common 01:26:57.295 --> 01:26:58.065 sense perspective. 01:26:58.065 --> 01:26:58.575 Legal practicallity. 01:26:58.575 --> 01:26:59.815 The work around for these people to go 01:26:59.815 --> 01:27:00.655 out here and to do it. 01:27:00.684 --> 01:27:00.894 Yep. 01:27:01.195 --> 01:27:02.125 It's ridiculous. 01:27:02.305 --> 01:27:02.474 Yeah. 01:27:03.789 --> 01:27:04.089 It. 01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:06.280 Uh, and I think this is where the, it can 01:27:06.280 --> 01:27:08.289 be beneficial to take the tenure perspective. 01:27:08.820 --> 01:27:13.289 Um, cause I'll admit, uh, I, I have shot airsoft. 01:27:13.289 --> 01:27:14.849 I played airsoft when I was a young guy 01:27:14.849 --> 01:27:16.079 and it's tons of fun. 01:27:16.200 --> 01:27:20.529 Um, I think taking the guts out of real guns 01:27:20.529 --> 01:27:23.529 and de-wating them, uh, I think it's a great 01:27:23.709 --> 01:27:25.989 argument because it really addresses the 01:27:25.989 --> 01:27:28.449 core cause of this, of if the problem 01:27:28.449 --> 01:27:30.879 is criminals running around with replica 01:27:30.879 --> 01:27:32.649 firearms and using them to intimidate people 01:27:32.649 --> 01:27:34.659 and police not knowing the difference because, 01:27:34.959 --> 01:27:37.195 legitimately, they don't. 01:27:37.195 --> 01:27:37.334 Right. 01:27:37.554 --> 01:27:39.574 I mean, these guns are very realistic so. 01:27:39.604 --> 01:27:39.804 Sure. 01:27:39.914 --> 01:27:41.294 If the problem is coming from the law 01:27:41.294 --> 01:27:42.974 enforcement caucus in the Liberal party, 01:27:43.724 --> 01:27:46.154 um, and as people like Harjit Sajjan, getting, 01:27:46.244 --> 01:27:48.195 getting things from his ex VPD guys, which I 01:27:48.195 --> 01:27:50.684 seriously doubt he is, but nonetheless, um. 01:27:50.744 --> 01:27:51.044 Yeah. 01:27:51.284 --> 01:27:53.355 That could be what steering this, if, if 01:27:53.355 --> 01:27:56.144 the practical solution for airsoft is, well 01:27:56.144 --> 01:27:59.775 we'll just use real guns, the gangbangers will be 01:27:59.775 --> 01:28:01.004 right behind them, right? 01:28:01.004 --> 01:28:03.535 Like, if a gangbanger goes, okay so my airsoft 01:28:03.535 --> 01:28:06.115 gun that I used to steal from the airsoft store 01:28:06.144 --> 01:28:07.165 is no longer available. 01:28:07.855 --> 01:28:09.115 I guess we'll just go to the surplus store 01:28:09.115 --> 01:28:10.434 and steal that de-wated handgun that they've 01:28:10.434 --> 01:28:11.934 got hanging from the ceiling, right? 01:28:11.934 --> 01:28:15.625 Like, or they'll just get a real gun or they'll 01:28:15.625 --> 01:28:18.235 just produce / continue to trade an airsoft guns. 01:28:18.235 --> 01:28:20.655 Cause I mean the big thing there's, how 01:28:20.655 --> 01:28:22.275 many of these are soft, guns are out there. 01:28:22.394 --> 01:28:25.540 And I got to say like, I brought this 01:28:25.540 --> 01:28:26.379 up with the OIC. 01:28:26.379 --> 01:28:28.100 If they ban M14's say right, they're 01:28:28.120 --> 01:28:28.750 not registered. 01:28:29.349 --> 01:28:31.599 So there is literally, and this is just reality, 01:28:32.110 --> 01:28:34.660 if a gang banger goes into a gun store in 01:28:34.660 --> 01:28:37.059 rural Alberta and says, I will give you $8,000 01:28:37.059 --> 01:28:39.040 for that M14, and I know it's illegal, just 01:28:39.040 --> 01:28:41.379 grind off the serial number and that gun shop 01:28:41.379 --> 01:28:42.280 owner is going well. 01:28:42.519 --> 01:28:45.700 Trudeau's just past C-21, my city might 01:28:45.700 --> 01:28:46.629 put me out of business. 01:28:46.629 --> 01:28:48.370 I could really use the eight grand right now. 01:28:48.490 --> 01:28:50.469 I'm gonna eat all the money from all these. 01:28:51.235 --> 01:28:51.715 Yeah, right. 01:28:51.715 --> 01:28:53.035 Like you're putting people in between a 01:28:53.035 --> 01:28:54.055 rock and a hard place. 01:28:54.144 --> 01:28:56.215 And then basically you're putting them in a rock 01:28:56.215 --> 01:28:59.095 and a hard place that is also like front of the 01:28:59.095 --> 01:29:00.865 line for organized crime to take advantage of. 01:29:00.865 --> 01:29:03.695 So, I mean, if you don't think that that 01:29:04.045 --> 01:29:06.985 gang bangers and, and people that criminals 01:29:06.985 --> 01:29:08.545 that would want to obtain these things for 01:29:08.545 --> 01:29:11.215 nefarious reasons, don't go into airsoft for sale 01:29:11.215 --> 01:29:13.495 groups and buy airsoft guns for this reason. 01:29:13.495 --> 01:29:14.065 You're insane. 01:29:14.205 --> 01:29:14.655 Absolutely. 01:29:14.655 --> 01:29:16.755 They do same as they do on any gun for them. 01:29:16.755 --> 01:29:18.165 They're on CG and they're everywhere 01:29:18.165 --> 01:29:18.974 trying to get guns. 01:29:18.974 --> 01:29:20.625 It's just the fact that gun owners are generally 01:29:20.625 --> 01:29:23.325 pretty, um, fastidious with their, with their 01:29:23.325 --> 01:29:25.035 documentation and checking PAL's that it's 01:29:25.035 --> 01:29:25.785 not really a problem. 01:29:26.175 --> 01:29:26.355 Yeah. 01:29:26.565 --> 01:29:27.554 So I think that's evidence, the system 01:29:27.554 --> 01:29:30.315 works, but it's so weird to me that the 01:29:30.315 --> 01:29:32.144 government and the people that elected 01:29:32.144 --> 01:29:34.990 them that were like, I love these guys because 01:29:34.990 --> 01:29:36.790 they're going to make pot legal and then we 01:29:36.790 --> 01:29:38.980 can just stop that whole crime from happening. 01:29:38.980 --> 01:29:40.870 And we can dedicate law enforcement resources 01:29:40.870 --> 01:29:41.710 to better crimes. 01:29:41.710 --> 01:29:43.599 And you know, when you make something illegal 01:29:43.599 --> 01:29:45.160 and you prohibit it, it just makes it into the 01:29:45.160 --> 01:29:47.050 black market and we can't control that anyways. 01:29:47.050 --> 01:29:48.759 Look at prohibition or the same people 01:29:48.759 --> 01:29:49.750 that turn around and go, well, we'll make 01:29:49.750 --> 01:29:50.559 airsoft guns illegal. 01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:53.650 These made in, made in China, Chinese things 01:29:53.650 --> 01:29:55.949 that are dirt cheap, that are imported by the 01:29:55.949 --> 01:29:59.459 million, that are sold by companies like Walmart 01:29:59.519 --> 01:30:01.739 by the, literally like Walmart orders, hundreds 01:30:01.739 --> 01:30:03.929 and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of airsoft 01:30:03.929 --> 01:30:05.639 guns every calendar year. 01:30:06.659 --> 01:30:07.709 And they think, yeah, we'll make 01:30:07.709 --> 01:30:08.429 those things illegal. 01:30:08.429 --> 01:30:10.379 A bunch of 13 year olds turning in their Tokyo 01:30:10.379 --> 01:30:12.989 Marui Beretta 92's that they paid 300 bucks 01:30:12.989 --> 01:30:15.119 after they did newspaper route for six weeks. 01:30:15.344 --> 01:30:17.235 You know, not that I'm bitter or anything, 01:30:17.235 --> 01:30:18.655 thing broke after two days, but. 01:30:18.885 --> 01:30:19.085 Yep. 01:30:19.115 --> 01:30:20.474 Got into real guns afterwards, it was 01:30:20.474 --> 01:30:21.144 a way better way. 01:30:21.585 --> 01:30:23.945 Um, but it's just, yeah, it's such a, like when 01:30:23.945 --> 01:30:25.894 you put it into the realistic perspective, 01:30:25.924 --> 01:30:27.965 that's the, like the comical part, because 01:30:28.384 --> 01:30:30.485 when people read it as a legislation or as an 01:30:30.485 --> 01:30:32.855 order paper item, or as a legislative summary, 01:30:32.855 --> 01:30:34.445 it has all the way to the federal government 01:30:34.445 --> 01:30:35.915 behind it and Justin Trudeau and all this 01:30:35.915 --> 01:30:36.905 pomp and circumstance. 01:30:36.905 --> 01:30:38.884 And then you go like, wait, so you're telling 01:30:38.884 --> 01:30:40.745 me a cop is going to go up to a 12 year old and 01:30:40.745 --> 01:30:42.455 he's, and be like, that's a prohibited device, 01:30:42.514 --> 01:30:43.264 get on the ground. 01:30:43.295 --> 01:30:46.090 Like, is that what we want. 01:30:46.120 --> 01:30:47.200 I thought we were in for less of that. 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:51.240 Are they, they're banned for import now as well 01:30:51.269 --> 01:30:52.710 by that, are they not? 01:30:52.710 --> 01:30:53.550 I think so. 01:30:53.550 --> 01:30:54.180 Yeah. 01:30:54.180 --> 01:30:54.830 I think I read. 01:30:54.830 --> 01:30:56.370 Yeah, CBSA does all the funky stuff because 01:30:56.370 --> 01:30:56.750 even before they. 01:30:56.780 --> 01:30:57.699 Yeah, they just do whatever they want. 01:30:57.699 --> 01:30:58.320 Declared it illegal, they ban it. 01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:00.450 So that's going to be an issue for the film 01:31:00.450 --> 01:31:03.389 industry in a lot of ways, because, uh, uh, 01:31:04.429 --> 01:31:07.620 airsoft guns, gas guns, are a huge portion of 01:31:07.620 --> 01:31:11.880 what takes place and even more so now, uh, with the 01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:13.080 way the film industry is. 01:31:14.230 --> 01:31:17.049 With all the safety stuff that's going on. 01:31:17.049 --> 01:31:19.570 I know in Vancouver, uh, there's productions 01:31:19.570 --> 01:31:22.089 that I used to work on that no longer allow 01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:25.570 any, uh, real guns on set and that's written 01:31:25.570 --> 01:31:26.889 into their contracts. 01:31:27.429 --> 01:31:30.369 Uh, so when they're dealing with, uh, 01:31:30.400 --> 01:31:32.799 firearms and shooting and all that kind of stuff, 01:31:32.860 --> 01:31:37.714 uh, In their production uh, it's basically CGI'd 01:31:37.735 --> 01:31:39.114 with, uh, airsoft guns. 01:31:39.985 --> 01:31:42.655 So as you well know, like you already mentioned, 01:31:42.655 --> 01:31:45.744 airsoft guns break and they fall apart and they 01:31:45.744 --> 01:31:46.855 don't last very long. 01:31:46.914 --> 01:31:47.815 Constantly. 01:31:48.054 --> 01:31:48.864 Constantly. 01:31:49.224 --> 01:31:52.195 Uh, and so there is not an unlimited 01:31:52.195 --> 01:31:56.650 supply of airsoft guns uh, in Canada. 01:31:56.680 --> 01:31:59.440 So at some point, those are going to run out. 01:32:00.340 --> 01:32:02.350 So I would ask what they're going to 01:32:02.350 --> 01:32:03.220 do at that point. 01:32:03.610 --> 01:32:05.890 They've already, uh, made it so that, uh, 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:08.290 productions can't use real firearms 01:32:08.350 --> 01:32:10.330 written into their production contracts. 01:32:11.140 --> 01:32:12.550 Then, now the airsoft guns are 01:32:12.550 --> 01:32:13.660 all basically gone. 01:32:14.019 --> 01:32:16.720 Um, and anything really that looks like a real 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:20.320 gun is, uh, going to be a prohibited as a replica. 01:32:20.350 --> 01:32:21.700 So where do they go from there? 01:32:22.240 --> 01:32:24.684 And the part that kind of, kind of makes me 01:32:24.684 --> 01:32:27.864 interested is that a lot of the people in film 01:32:27.864 --> 01:32:30.864 obviously voted for, uh, you know, it's for film 01:32:30.864 --> 01:32:32.034 is fairly hardcore left. 01:32:32.634 --> 01:32:35.244 They voted this stuff in, uh, basically without 01:32:35.244 --> 01:32:40.614 really understanding the full impact of what kind 01:32:40.614 --> 01:32:42.444 of problems is going to cause, even possibly 01:32:42.444 --> 01:32:43.344 in their own job. 01:32:44.844 --> 01:32:45.384 And I think. 01:32:45.605 --> 01:32:46.116 I'm reminded of some of the facebook 01:32:46.116 --> 01:32:46.264 arguments there. 01:32:46.264 --> 01:32:47.144 Well, I know for a fact. 01:32:48.164 --> 01:32:51.214 I know for a fact that some people are 01:32:52.454 --> 01:32:55.824 suddenly realizing what is going to happen, uh, 01:32:55.855 --> 01:32:57.174 possibly to their job. 01:32:58.165 --> 01:33:00.205 Or to the amount of jobs that they get, or 01:33:00.205 --> 01:33:02.514 even the TV shows and productions and movies 01:33:02.514 --> 01:33:06.565 that arrive in Vancouver and, and undoubtedly the 01:33:06.565 --> 01:33:09.115 rest of Canada, because we'll be all under 01:33:09.115 --> 01:33:10.735 the same, uh, rules. 01:33:11.575 --> 01:33:15.565 So, um, you know, action films were a huge thing. 01:33:15.625 --> 01:33:17.214 That's basically what I worked on 01:33:17.214 --> 01:33:17.895 back in the day. 01:33:18.355 --> 01:33:20.605 Action films, TV shows, all that kind of stuff 01:33:21.204 --> 01:33:24.174 and a lot of that, in my opinion, is probably 01:33:24.174 --> 01:33:26.784 going to have some issues with coming up. 01:33:26.784 --> 01:33:28.754 You know what they do, they make an exception. 01:33:29.384 --> 01:33:30.404 They can make an exception. 01:33:30.404 --> 01:33:30.735 Yes. 01:33:30.764 --> 01:33:32.804 And then if they're going to make an exception on 01:33:32.804 --> 01:33:34.634 that, you have to turn around and say, well, 01:33:34.634 --> 01:33:36.074 what was the point of this to begin with? 01:33:36.105 --> 01:33:36.315 Yeah. 01:33:36.614 --> 01:33:38.334 And why in the beginning then, if 01:33:38.334 --> 01:33:39.394 this is not a problem. 01:33:39.394 --> 01:33:41.804 But that's where, so like when I was, when, 01:33:42.504 --> 01:33:44.065 for the, for the Senate testimony, when they 01:33:44.065 --> 01:33:45.655 email you for it, they basically give you some 01:33:45.655 --> 01:33:46.525 instructions right. 01:33:47.275 --> 01:33:49.065 And they don't tell you what to say or anything 01:33:49.115 --> 01:33:50.784 like not, it's obviously like it's very, very, 01:33:50.784 --> 01:33:51.504 very professional. 01:33:51.504 --> 01:33:52.914 So anyone listening, it's very cool. 01:33:52.914 --> 01:33:53.994 It's a really neat thing to do. 01:33:54.025 --> 01:33:55.074 But if you ever get a chance to 01:33:55.074 --> 01:33:55.674 highly recommend it. 01:33:56.485 --> 01:33:57.565 But they tell you like you can't 01:33:57.565 --> 01:33:58.525 change big things. 01:33:58.775 --> 01:34:00.485 Like when the Senate gets it to start 01:34:00.485 --> 01:34:01.204 making amendments. 01:34:01.204 --> 01:34:02.644 And even when the parliamentary committee 01:34:02.674 --> 01:34:04.264 start getting it to make amendments, like the 01:34:04.264 --> 01:34:07.204 bill should be a little bit closer to, to ready. 01:34:07.894 --> 01:34:09.724 And actually like what Ryan brings up with 01:34:09.724 --> 01:34:11.025 regards to the film industry, cause I thought 01:34:11.044 --> 01:34:12.065 that right away as well. 01:34:12.094 --> 01:34:13.235 I mean, anyone that lives in Vancouver 01:34:13.235 --> 01:34:15.094 can't help, but think of that, especially in 01:34:15.094 --> 01:34:17.884 the gun world, because film armourer's in 01:34:17.884 --> 01:34:20.794 Vancouver are like a big, big deal, um. 01:34:22.119 --> 01:34:23.889 And with Netflix and in with the, with the 01:34:23.889 --> 01:34:25.869 streaming services now buying so much 01:34:25.869 --> 01:34:27.999 more content, like the hours of content 01:34:27.999 --> 01:34:29.169 being produced now. 01:34:29.649 --> 01:34:31.689 Uh, I mean, Ryan, you don't better than I, but 01:34:31.689 --> 01:34:33.249 I'm pretty sure it's, it's just gotta be a 01:34:33.249 --> 01:34:34.299 lot more actual hours. 01:34:34.329 --> 01:34:37.289 Even when I was getting out of the industry. 01:34:37.289 --> 01:34:37.929 Was already climbing 01:34:37.929 --> 01:34:40.109 The Netflix shows and stuff were growing 01:34:40.109 --> 01:34:40.859 exponentially. 01:34:40.859 --> 01:34:43.529 They were building, uh, studios in BC 01:34:43.529 --> 01:34:46.579 specifically to do Netflix productions. 01:34:46.579 --> 01:34:48.299 And Netflix, those shows can't afford 01:34:48.660 --> 01:34:49.559 the real guns, right? 01:34:49.559 --> 01:34:50.400 Like, I didn't know. 01:34:50.400 --> 01:34:52.589 It was like, I knew that film was going 01:34:52.589 --> 01:34:53.759 more towards gas guns. 01:34:54.059 --> 01:34:55.200 I thought it was a cost thing. 01:34:55.200 --> 01:34:56.190 Not so much a safety thing. 01:34:56.190 --> 01:34:57.690 I knew the safety was there, obviously. 01:34:58.099 --> 01:34:58.280 Yeah. 01:34:58.280 --> 01:34:59.389 It's more of a safety thing. 01:34:59.869 --> 01:35:01.309 It doesn't really make any difference 01:35:01.579 --> 01:35:02.360 to the production. 01:35:02.389 --> 01:35:05.329 They, they end up renting, um, either a 01:35:05.329 --> 01:35:08.059 gas gun or a real gun and they can operate those 01:35:08.059 --> 01:35:10.730 on set without one of us there, without one of 01:35:10.730 --> 01:35:12.079 the armourer's generally. 01:35:12.139 --> 01:35:15.210 Providing the, the prop master has a you know, 01:35:15.210 --> 01:35:16.610 a firearms license and there's somebody there. 01:35:16.610 --> 01:35:16.760 Gotchya. 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:17.430 That can deal with it. 01:35:17.430 --> 01:35:19.340 I think it's just evidence though that 01:35:19.559 --> 01:35:21.380 this exception isn't already baked into the 01:35:21.380 --> 01:35:23.570 law is, is another case of, I just don't think 01:35:23.570 --> 01:35:25.370 they really intended this to go the distance. 01:35:25.430 --> 01:35:26.300 Like I think they basically just 01:35:26.300 --> 01:35:27.140 drafted this thinking. 01:35:27.140 --> 01:35:29.690 Yeah, it's about, it looks to me to be a law 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:31.760 that is about 60% of the way to something 01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:33.780 that's actually capable of being. 01:35:33.780 --> 01:35:35.349 It's not thought through it all really. 01:35:35.450 --> 01:35:36.280 No, no. 01:35:36.290 --> 01:35:36.620 So. 01:35:36.690 --> 01:35:39.175 They didn't consult anybody on where 01:35:39.175 --> 01:35:39.414 it's gonna go. 01:35:39.415 --> 01:35:42.115 And I mean, in some ways we can probably take a 01:35:42.115 --> 01:35:44.575 little bit of like, oh, that's good, because 01:35:45.144 --> 01:35:47.125 I'm glad to hear they didn't waste a bunch of 01:35:47.125 --> 01:35:49.344 time drafting a law they didn't intend to pass. 01:35:49.375 --> 01:35:51.025 I'm glad they just wasted minimal amounts of our 01:35:51.025 --> 01:35:53.465 time drafting a law they didn't intend to pass, 01:35:53.465 --> 01:35:55.495 at a time when there's some other stuff that 01:35:55.495 --> 01:35:57.085 they probably have on their priority table. 01:35:57.085 --> 01:35:59.155 But yeah, that, that film thing, how many, 01:35:59.155 --> 01:36:01.825 so percentage wise, when you were working, 01:36:01.825 --> 01:36:04.495 or if you have any idea now from like talking 01:36:04.495 --> 01:36:06.744 to people that, mutual contacts and all like 01:36:06.744 --> 01:36:08.844 what's the percentage between real guns 01:36:08.844 --> 01:36:09.864 and gas guns on film? 01:36:10.855 --> 01:36:11.184 Uh. 01:36:11.244 --> 01:36:12.844 In your experience in Vancouver, just 01:36:12.844 --> 01:36:13.304 in your experience. 01:36:13.304 --> 01:36:15.254 When I was working, and I think I left at the 01:36:15.254 --> 01:36:19.544 end of 2015, I would say it was probably, 01:36:21.074 --> 01:36:25.204 I bet you, it was probably 60% airsoft. 01:36:26.315 --> 01:36:26.504 Really? 01:36:26.504 --> 01:36:27.025 Gas guns. 01:36:27.025 --> 01:36:27.969 And you think it's gone up from there? 01:36:28.799 --> 01:36:30.309 It's a hundred percent gone up because 01:36:30.309 --> 01:36:32.290 there were still all the WB shows like 01:36:32.290 --> 01:36:34.130 Supernatural and, uh. 01:36:34.360 --> 01:36:34.970 God I love that show. 01:36:34.970 --> 01:36:36.530 Aero and all those, uh. 01:36:36.530 --> 01:36:37.120 God I hate that show. 01:36:37.120 --> 01:36:40.030 All the superhero um, uh, stuff, the 01:36:40.030 --> 01:36:41.019 DC comic shows. 01:36:41.019 --> 01:36:44.799 I worked on all of those and, uh, it was pretty 01:36:44.799 --> 01:36:48.009 regular, like Arrow, we'd you know, I have M 60 01:36:48.009 --> 01:36:50.139 machine guns out on it and handguns all kinds 01:36:50.139 --> 01:36:50.799 of different things. 01:36:51.309 --> 01:36:55.990 Now uh, none of those shows uh, allow live 01:36:55.990 --> 01:36:58.669 fire, like real blank fire going on on them. 01:36:59.830 --> 01:37:01.360 Do you feel like that decision was made, 01:37:01.900 --> 01:37:03.429 was that decision made entirely from a 01:37:03.429 --> 01:37:04.809 safety perspective or do you feel there was 01:37:04.809 --> 01:37:06.159 a degree of politics in that decision? 01:37:06.749 --> 01:37:09.179 Um, I think it, I think it was a cover 01:37:09.179 --> 01:37:12.179 your ass decision, uh, there, especially. 01:37:12.179 --> 01:37:12.730 Lawyers, liability. 01:37:12.900 --> 01:37:13.329 Yeah. 01:37:13.349 --> 01:37:14.610 Liability for sure. 01:37:14.610 --> 01:37:17.070 I mean, we were always going through issues, uh, 01:37:17.400 --> 01:37:22.615 uh, with the production lawyers wanting to 01:37:22.615 --> 01:37:24.745 rewrite the contracts and all that kind of stuff. 01:37:24.775 --> 01:37:27.115 Uh, like our liability contracts that we 01:37:27.115 --> 01:37:30.205 added at the time, and it was always a big 01:37:30.235 --> 01:37:31.195 huge back and forth. 01:37:31.195 --> 01:37:33.025 And I think eventually it came to the point where 01:37:33.025 --> 01:37:36.144 they're like, well, you don't need a liability 01:37:36.144 --> 01:37:39.474 contract when, uh, when you're running airsoft. 01:37:39.505 --> 01:37:43.644 So it's a, it's a safety issue, so let's 01:37:43.644 --> 01:37:45.565 just get rid of the real live fire guns. 01:37:45.565 --> 01:37:48.025 And that, in turn got basically rid of the 01:37:48.065 --> 01:37:50.515 armourer's unless there was something specific 01:37:50.515 --> 01:37:52.195 that there wasn't an airsoft gun for there's 01:37:52.195 --> 01:37:53.435 no airsoft 50 cal's. 01:37:53.455 --> 01:37:55.015 So if you had those out on set yet 01:37:55.015 --> 01:37:55.585 to have the guys. 01:37:56.845 --> 01:37:59.397 But now, it's, it's different. 01:37:59.397 --> 01:37:59.788 Well, sucks to be film industry guy 01:37:59.788 --> 01:37:59.944 all of a sudden. 01:37:59.944 --> 01:38:01.335 I don't know how the film industry. 01:38:02.605 --> 01:38:02.895 Yeah. 01:38:03.295 --> 01:38:04.465 You know, I got buddies that. 01:38:04.465 --> 01:38:05.545 Especially with our dollar being at that 01:38:05.755 --> 01:38:07.735 money spot for film normally too, right? 01:38:07.735 --> 01:38:07.884 Yup. 01:38:08.275 --> 01:38:08.514 Yup. 01:38:08.605 --> 01:38:08.815 Yup. 01:38:08.875 --> 01:38:12.025 I mean, it should be a very lively with the, 01:38:12.054 --> 01:38:13.495 with the dollar and everything right now 01:38:13.495 --> 01:38:14.934 and the tax credits and all that stuff, you 01:38:14.934 --> 01:38:17.125 should be pretty lively here, but, um, all the 01:38:17.125 --> 01:38:18.735 people I stay in contact with, if they're like, 01:38:18.764 --> 01:38:22.155 eh, there's, you know, it's, it's moderately 01:38:22.155 --> 01:38:23.025 busy at this point. 01:38:26.065 --> 01:38:29.004 You were talking about putting something on 01:38:29.004 --> 01:38:31.794 the back of the license and putting conditions 01:38:31.794 --> 01:38:34.914 on the back of the license earlier and it 01:38:34.914 --> 01:38:37.944 just brought to mind the back of my license. 01:38:39.114 --> 01:38:42.594 And by virtue of my age alone, I was not able to 01:38:42.594 --> 01:38:46.315 get a 25 or 32 calibre handgun or short barreled 01:38:46.315 --> 01:38:51.624 firearm, a section 12.6 type firearm, but 01:38:51.624 --> 01:38:54.624 I was able to get a 12.7 inherited firearm. 01:38:55.315 --> 01:38:56.664 And you know what happened when my 01:38:56.664 --> 01:38:57.714 license renewed? 01:38:57.745 --> 01:38:58.374 I bet you do. 01:38:59.394 --> 01:38:59.964 You know what happened. 01:38:59.964 --> 01:39:00.009 I don't. 01:39:00.009 --> 01:39:01.154 To my 12.7? 01:39:01.855 --> 01:39:02.275 Okay. 01:39:02.275 --> 01:39:04.764 Well, this might be an interesting one that 01:39:04.764 --> 01:39:06.894 you can write about in Calibre magazine. 01:39:07.855 --> 01:39:11.514 Uh, my 12.7 inherited it turned into a 01:39:11.514 --> 01:39:15.144 12.6 and guess what I could purchase and buy 01:39:15.144 --> 01:39:17.304 and sell other 12.6 firearms from other 01:39:17.304 --> 01:39:18.445 individuals out there. 01:39:18.894 --> 01:39:21.684 And I was concerned, I thought like, 01:39:21.684 --> 01:39:22.735 what's going on here? 01:39:22.735 --> 01:39:26.965 And I had actually, you know, in a CYA way, 01:39:27.115 --> 01:39:31.455 contacted the firearms programming, um, like 01:39:31.455 --> 01:39:32.475 what's going on here? 01:39:32.865 --> 01:39:35.115 And they said we don't make mistakes, 01:39:35.144 --> 01:39:37.184 you're 12.6, we don't make mistakes. 01:39:37.215 --> 01:39:38.634 Okay, fair enough, I got it in 01:39:38.655 --> 01:39:39.465 writing, good to go. 01:39:39.795 --> 01:39:42.795 I can buy, sell all the rest, but the interesting 01:39:42.795 --> 01:39:45.490 thing was, it didn't just happen to me. 01:39:45.610 --> 01:39:48.849 It happened to every other 12.7 inherited. 01:39:48.849 --> 01:39:49.059 Really? 01:39:49.150 --> 01:39:50.620 Firearms owner in Canada. 01:39:51.400 --> 01:39:53.559 I've got pictures of the license and I've 01:39:53.559 --> 01:39:57.620 talked to other 12.7 owners who became 12.6. 01:39:57.639 --> 01:39:59.580 And now they've got a situation where they 01:39:59.580 --> 01:40:02.679 got, some people, myself, by virtue of age, I was 01:40:02.679 --> 01:40:06.300 never able to even take advantage of the 12.6, 01:40:07.164 --> 01:40:10.254 who were able to purchase other firearms and sell 01:40:10.254 --> 01:40:12.474 the firearms and they had to turn around and 01:40:12.474 --> 01:40:14.784 try and quietly clean up this little mess. 01:40:16.554 --> 01:40:20.224 So when we look at these laws, when we look at 01:40:20.224 --> 01:40:24.070 C-21 and even if we were to say this was the most 01:40:24.070 --> 01:40:27.190 well thought out in their intention in the way 01:40:27.190 --> 01:40:30.460 they're going, we can't discount human error in 01:40:30.460 --> 01:40:32.259 these things and what those implications will 01:40:32.259 --> 01:40:34.419 have to the individual and to the businesses. 01:40:34.839 --> 01:40:38.080 Like for example, in the film industry, um, 01:40:38.950 --> 01:40:42.009 just, just an interesting aside on all of that. 01:40:42.639 --> 01:40:43.719 And if you wanted to write on that 01:40:43.719 --> 01:40:44.539 in Caibre Mag. 01:40:45.219 --> 01:40:45.820 I'm interested. 01:40:45.910 --> 01:40:47.950 I'm kind of curious, I'm interested into why. 01:40:47.950 --> 01:40:50.049 Cause I thought that was, I actually looked 01:40:50.049 --> 01:40:51.999 into that a few years ago when I, I got the 01:40:51.999 --> 01:40:54.190 impression that it was pretty expressly 01:40:54.579 --> 01:40:56.860 included for most of the assets I looked at 01:40:56.860 --> 01:40:59.230 that like, that was not supposed to be the case. 01:40:59.230 --> 01:41:01.849 Like I, a 12.7 was supposed to be 12.7, 01:41:01.870 --> 01:41:03.190 you get inherited only. 01:41:03.639 --> 01:41:04.249 They made a mistake. 01:41:04.249 --> 01:41:05.829 You're supposed to be expanded, but 01:41:05.829 --> 01:41:07.809 if it's happening to everyone, um. 01:41:08.169 --> 01:41:10.559 Every single 12.7 became 12.6. 01:41:11.215 --> 01:41:13.165 That sounds more like an internal policy change 01:41:13.165 --> 01:41:14.635 because legitimately once that stuff's like, 01:41:14.635 --> 01:41:16.615 I could see if yours did once and I could see the 01:41:16.615 --> 01:41:19.285 CFO saying we don't make mistakes to cover yours. 01:41:19.885 --> 01:41:21.565 But if it's everyone's, that's, that's an 01:41:21.565 --> 01:41:23.665 internal, that's a. 01:41:23.665 --> 01:41:23.882 That's an error. 01:41:23.882 --> 01:41:25.195 An ATIP that I need to file to say, like, 01:41:25.195 --> 01:41:26.215 why is this happening? 01:41:28.075 --> 01:41:29.365 Cause there's something happened. 01:41:29.365 --> 01:41:30.445 There would have been an internal, like from 01:41:30.445 --> 01:41:31.674 my knowledge of how the firearms program 01:41:31.674 --> 01:41:32.634 works, there would have been something 01:41:32.634 --> 01:41:35.485 internal circulated to dictate that transition 01:41:35.485 --> 01:41:37.224 occurring because it's changed, right? 01:41:37.224 --> 01:41:38.815 Like it's, they, they didn't renew 01:41:38.815 --> 01:41:39.235 your license. 01:41:39.235 --> 01:41:40.285 They changed your license. 01:41:40.285 --> 01:41:41.664 They had to do something to do so. 01:41:41.745 --> 01:41:43.785 Have you renewed since that went down? 01:41:44.294 --> 01:41:44.804 I have. 01:41:44.834 --> 01:41:45.525 And it stayed? 01:41:46.004 --> 01:41:47.174 Until the point where they had to 01:41:47.174 --> 01:41:47.775 correct it all. 01:41:47.804 --> 01:41:49.294 And they had to course correct with all other 01:41:49.294 --> 01:41:52.514 12.7's who we're, became 12.6 and they have 01:41:52.514 --> 01:41:53.775 changed them all back. 01:41:54.144 --> 01:41:54.294 Hmm. 01:41:54.504 --> 01:41:54.665 Hmm. 01:41:55.485 --> 01:41:55.924 That's weird. 01:41:55.949 --> 01:41:59.139 So that that could be human error. 01:41:59.139 --> 01:42:00.159 That could be computer glitch. 01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:01.480 That could be whatever it might be. 01:42:01.480 --> 01:42:03.610 But when we started going down this road of 01:42:03.610 --> 01:42:06.669 trying to make policy and trying to make laws 01:42:06.669 --> 01:42:10.299 and regulations, we have to look at it like you 01:42:10.299 --> 01:42:14.485 were saying from, Daniel, from the perspective 01:42:14.574 --> 01:42:17.664 of the victim or the person and how, how they 01:42:17.664 --> 01:42:19.194 will be impacted on it. 01:42:19.194 --> 01:42:20.454 We have to look at it from the perspective 01:42:20.454 --> 01:42:23.004 of the film industry, from the individual 01:42:23.004 --> 01:42:25.374 owner and how, how they may be impacted. 01:42:25.374 --> 01:42:29.364 But what rights are we giving away when we bring 01:42:29.364 --> 01:42:31.914 these things in, should a mistake like this 01:42:31.914 --> 01:42:34.914 happened to happen and they happen more often 01:42:34.914 --> 01:42:35.634 than you would think. 01:42:36.564 --> 01:42:38.424 Well, that's why I would say like my big 01:42:38.454 --> 01:42:40.194 take home message for people when I've done 01:42:40.194 --> 01:42:42.594 radio interviews, is always TV and stuff is 01:42:42.594 --> 01:42:45.714 just don't you have an amnesty period, use it. 01:42:45.774 --> 01:42:47.994 Like the government has given you that 01:42:47.994 --> 01:42:49.794 amnesty period, just like they give you back 01:42:49.794 --> 01:42:52.644 some money at tax time, you know, use it like 01:42:52.644 --> 01:42:53.844 when the government gives you something, 01:42:53.964 --> 01:42:55.134 take it and use it. 01:42:55.734 --> 01:42:58.360 Um, so don't do anything until then, because 01:42:58.389 --> 01:43:00.280 the more time elapses, the more this stuff 01:43:00.280 --> 01:43:01.059 will get fleshed out. 01:43:01.059 --> 01:43:02.889 And for all we know, I mean the long gun 01:43:02.889 --> 01:43:04.930 registry amnesty continued until the long 01:43:04.930 --> 01:43:06.960 gun registry ended so. 01:43:07.290 --> 01:43:09.389 In your opinion Dan, is this gonna, is this 01:43:09.389 --> 01:43:12.660 gonna stretch on and the amnesty will have to be 01:43:12.660 --> 01:43:14.010 extended at some point? 01:43:14.010 --> 01:43:14.250 It'll have to. 01:43:14.250 --> 01:43:15.900 I mean, that's, that's kinda my thought. 01:43:16.580 --> 01:43:18.300 I think the amnesety extension will be 01:43:18.300 --> 01:43:20.040 predicated by the compliance rate. 01:43:20.424 --> 01:43:20.575 Yeah. 01:43:20.634 --> 01:43:22.585 And the compliance rate is going to be dismal. 01:43:22.585 --> 01:43:24.415 So the amnesty will be extended indefinitely 01:43:24.445 --> 01:43:25.615 because at the end of the day, they don't want 01:43:25.615 --> 01:43:27.865 to reach a point where, because that's what 01:43:27.865 --> 01:43:28.945 the, that's what the liberals got into with 01:43:28.955 --> 01:43:29.735 long and registry, right? 01:43:29.754 --> 01:43:31.825 Was it was people that may have supported 01:43:31.825 --> 01:43:32.695 it initially. 01:43:33.144 --> 01:43:35.665 Um, even in a passing way. 01:43:35.724 --> 01:43:37.165 Like I know people, I was at the Vancouver 01:43:37.165 --> 01:43:39.625 Gun Club arguing why the long gun registry should 01:43:39.625 --> 01:43:41.544 die when it was first killed because people 01:43:41.544 --> 01:43:43.974 that shoot shotguns at clay pigeon sometimes 01:43:43.974 --> 01:43:48.175 think gun control is good and in that discussion, 01:43:48.175 --> 01:43:50.155 like you just kind of go like it's, I don't 01:43:50.155 --> 01:43:50.934 know, man like, I don't. 01:43:53.484 --> 01:43:55.254 No one will comply and the government will 01:43:55.254 --> 01:43:56.065 be stuck with this. 01:43:56.065 --> 01:43:57.924 Like, do we put everyone in jail? 01:43:58.184 --> 01:43:58.804 Yeah, how do we deal with it? 01:43:58.824 --> 01:44:01.644 Or, or is, or is leaving the thread of that over 01:44:01.644 --> 01:44:03.994 their head, ostracizing voters, like, like. 01:44:04.105 --> 01:44:07.464 Let's say you're the, it's 150,000 AR fifteens 01:44:07.584 --> 01:44:09.024 in the country, 130, whatever it is, right. 01:44:09.774 --> 01:44:12.365 There's a lot more Norinco M14's in the 01:44:12.365 --> 01:44:13.954 country, a lot more. 01:44:14.514 --> 01:44:14.904 SKS's. 01:44:15.614 --> 01:44:18.334 A lot of SKS, but the big one is I use the M14 01:44:18.355 --> 01:44:19.794 specifically, because I think it's the most, 01:44:19.824 --> 01:44:22.504 maybe the Mini 14, is maybe the most popular, 01:44:22.714 --> 01:44:24.514 newly prohibited firearm, right. 01:44:25.714 --> 01:44:31.044 Um, If I have an M14, but I don't own AR15. 01:44:31.644 --> 01:44:33.324 I feel a bit insulated from Justin 01:44:33.324 --> 01:44:33.864 Trudeau's gun ban. 01:44:33.864 --> 01:44:35.974 I probably feel somewhat slighted by it by going 01:44:36.004 --> 01:44:37.944 like, I can't use my M14, but you got to 01:44:37.944 --> 01:44:39.594 remember too, like we are all hardcore gun 01:44:39.594 --> 01:44:41.424 guys for whom guns are part of our daily lives. 01:44:41.934 --> 01:44:43.434 For a lot of people, their M14 might be 01:44:43.434 --> 01:44:45.174 something they haven't seen in two years, right? 01:44:45.714 --> 01:44:48.234 They, they got it before they had kids, 01:44:48.234 --> 01:44:49.434 they were shooting with their buddies. 01:44:49.434 --> 01:44:51.834 Everyone had kids shooting less and less. 01:44:51.834 --> 01:44:53.334 He keeps it for the eventual hunting trip 01:44:53.334 --> 01:44:54.894 he plans to go on at some point in the 01:44:54.894 --> 01:44:55.824 next 10 years, right? 01:44:57.495 --> 01:44:59.355 He probably doesn't like AR-15's because 01:44:59.355 --> 01:45:00.615 he probably looks at the headlines and 01:45:00.615 --> 01:45:01.785 he's never been in the gun world, and he 01:45:01.785 --> 01:45:03.344 thinks it's a quote, unquote, weapon of war. 01:45:03.344 --> 01:45:04.695 Like these are the sorts of people 01:45:04.695 --> 01:45:05.384 that Justin shows. 01:45:05.974 --> 01:45:07.235 He's not worried about us because he 01:45:07.235 --> 01:45:08.195 knows where we stand. 01:45:08.224 --> 01:45:08.344 Yeah. 01:45:08.615 --> 01:45:10.474 But it's those sorts of people for whom the 01:45:10.474 --> 01:45:12.724 amnesty will be extended because he'll be looking 01:45:12.724 --> 01:45:15.634 at those guys going, if I keep looking like 01:45:15.634 --> 01:45:17.195 I'm going to throw this guy in jail, he might 01:45:17.195 --> 01:45:18.184 vote for someone else. 01:45:18.214 --> 01:45:20.584 If I keep looking, like I, I don't really mean 01:45:20.584 --> 01:45:23.105 to hurt him, this is intended to like, if the 01:45:23.105 --> 01:45:26.554 law says I'm going after legal gun owners, but the 01:45:26.554 --> 01:45:30.184 government does not go after legal gun owners, 01:45:30.754 --> 01:45:33.605 by default, a whole bunch of those legal gun owners 01:45:33.605 --> 01:45:35.914 will still vote for the party that is not going 01:45:35.914 --> 01:45:38.074 after them because they are not doing the thing 01:45:38.084 --> 01:45:38.764 they said they would do. 01:45:38.764 --> 01:45:39.073 Not following through yeah. 01:45:39.073 --> 01:45:40.247 And the Conservatives need to realize 01:45:40.264 --> 01:45:41.405 is talk is cheap. 01:45:42.004 --> 01:45:43.655 The Liberals talk all the time and then they 01:45:43.655 --> 01:45:46.380 don't do anything, like they won't take the guns, 01:45:46.380 --> 01:45:47.519 even out of the houses. 01:45:47.519 --> 01:45:48.690 Like when you actually think about those 01:45:48.690 --> 01:45:50.429 arguments, the anti-gun people said of like, 01:45:51.059 --> 01:45:52.559 you've promised to take assault weapons off the 01:45:52.559 --> 01:45:53.660 street, et cetera, et cetera and now you're 01:45:53.660 --> 01:45:54.870 just going to let everyone keep them. 01:45:56.160 --> 01:45:57.950 If you were an anti-gun person and you'd 01:45:57.950 --> 01:46:01.320 spent years lobbying, you would be super 01:46:01.320 --> 01:46:02.320 super angry, right? 01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:02.429 Like. 01:46:02.429 --> 01:46:02.750 Mhmm. 01:46:02.750 --> 01:46:04.200 I think there are a few that are pretty angry. 01:46:04.200 --> 01:46:06.179 You finally get, you listened to Bill Blair 01:46:06.179 --> 01:46:07.920 across the table, tell you, yeah, we're making, 01:46:08.040 --> 01:46:10.620 we have the single strongest anti-gun bill 01:46:10.620 --> 01:46:13.050 in Canada's history and you go, but everyone 01:46:13.050 --> 01:46:14.420 gets to keep their AR-15? 01:46:14.519 --> 01:46:16.920 Like, I'm sure they're just as pissed as we 01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:18.000 are, because we're coming at it from 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:19.530 the opposite sides of this is not going to 01:46:19.530 --> 01:46:20.490 do what either of us. 01:46:20.490 --> 01:46:21.179 Were allies. 01:46:21.210 --> 01:46:24.120 And that's the ironic part is we argue with 01:46:24.120 --> 01:46:26.730 the people that are on like, and some of them 01:46:26.730 --> 01:46:28.200 aren't on the same team because I'll admit like 01:46:28.679 --> 01:46:29.519 some of the groups. 01:46:29.709 --> 01:46:30.999 Just want all guns gone. 01:46:31.029 --> 01:46:32.230 They don't want you to hunt, they don't 01:46:32.230 --> 01:46:34.119 want you to have any guns, no guns at all, 01:46:34.150 --> 01:46:34.929 they don't like guns. 01:46:34.929 --> 01:46:35.769 They're hoplophobic. 01:46:35.949 --> 01:46:37.809 And they've managed to find a way to turn 01:46:37.809 --> 01:46:38.589 that into a hobby. 01:46:40.619 --> 01:46:42.719 But for by and large, a lot of things, 01:46:42.719 --> 01:46:43.769 these people, and we've seen it. 01:46:43.829 --> 01:46:45.209 Cause there have been some people that started 01:46:45.209 --> 01:46:47.039 out on a staunchly anti-gun argument that 01:46:47.579 --> 01:46:49.139 if you say, look, I'm on your side dude, 01:46:49.169 --> 01:46:50.279 like I'm not, I don't. 01:46:50.779 --> 01:46:52.379 I'd like to keep my guns that's, but that's 01:46:52.379 --> 01:46:53.159 besides the point. 01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:55.319 What I want to do is save lives and stop these kids 01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:57.779 from shooting each other and stop the suicides and 01:46:57.779 --> 01:46:58.619 stop this and stop that. 01:46:59.019 --> 01:47:02.800 Then oh, okay, all right then, this, they start to 01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:04.269 nod their head and they go, this makes sense. 01:47:04.269 --> 01:47:05.110 You're on the same side. 01:47:05.110 --> 01:47:05.680 Okay, yeah. 01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:08.440 You know, and if humanizes us a bit too, 01:47:08.440 --> 01:47:10.120 but it also gives us some credibility that 01:47:10.120 --> 01:47:11.830 we're, we're kind of lacking these days. 01:47:12.190 --> 01:47:12.639 Empathy. 01:47:13.660 --> 01:47:18.099 Yeah, it's empathy, a bit of, yeah, so it's hard 01:47:18.099 --> 01:47:19.630 though, because I mean, the other thing too is, 01:47:20.530 --> 01:47:22.210 I think for Canadian's at large, it's really 01:47:22.210 --> 01:47:23.980 hard because the people that are victimized 01:47:23.980 --> 01:47:27.989 by these crimes are always, and I'll say 01:47:27.989 --> 01:47:30.519 this, this is showing to sound super woke 01:47:30.519 --> 01:47:32.530 myself, this is showing my own privilege, so I'll 01:47:32.530 --> 01:47:33.459 freely admit that I am. 01:47:33.999 --> 01:47:35.139 The people that are victimized by a lot 01:47:35.139 --> 01:47:36.999 of these crimes are people that are not, the 01:47:37.570 --> 01:47:39.610 people like myself have trouble associating with. 01:47:39.849 --> 01:47:41.919 I am not a gang banger, I've never been involved 01:47:41.919 --> 01:47:43.839 in the drug trade, I'm not a violent person, 01:47:44.139 --> 01:47:48.775 in the freaking least, um, So for me, it's, 01:47:48.785 --> 01:47:49.584 it's another world. 01:47:49.615 --> 01:47:50.634 It's like reading about. 01:47:51.445 --> 01:47:53.004 I mean, when I read about the stories that come 01:47:53.004 --> 01:47:54.535 out of Jane and Finch in some of those downtown 01:47:54.535 --> 01:47:56.094 areas of Toronto, I've been down there, I've 01:47:56.094 --> 01:47:58.584 driven down there um, it's pretty eyeopening. 01:47:58.714 --> 01:47:58.775 Yeah. 01:47:58.775 --> 01:47:59.224 It's pretty crazy. 01:47:59.224 --> 01:48:00.445 But it doesn't feel like Canada. 01:48:00.565 --> 01:48:01.764 Like, it doesn't feel like the Canada I 01:48:01.764 --> 01:48:03.294 know, cause I come from the mountains of BC. 01:48:03.294 --> 01:48:04.775 Like I drove through downtown Toronto, 01:48:04.794 --> 01:48:06.304 looking at the, the areas where these shootings 01:48:06.304 --> 01:48:07.315 happen and I go like, well, like I don't even 01:48:07.315 --> 01:48:08.304 recognize this place. 01:48:08.304 --> 01:48:09.294 It's another world. 01:48:09.985 --> 01:48:11.365 And when I see the headlines coming out of 01:48:11.365 --> 01:48:13.554 those areas, it feels like something else and 01:48:13.615 --> 01:48:15.565 I think that's what, especially because gun 01:48:15.565 --> 01:48:17.815 owners are typically, we have higher than average 01:48:17.965 --> 01:48:18.775 household incomes. 01:48:18.804 --> 01:48:20.095 We have more stable lives. 01:48:20.095 --> 01:48:22.675 We have more complete family units amongst 01:48:22.675 --> 01:48:24.775 our population than the national averages. 01:48:25.525 --> 01:48:27.385 And that gives us a different perspective 01:48:27.385 --> 01:48:29.665 that is, it makes it hard for gun owners to, 01:48:30.565 --> 01:48:32.065 it makes it very hard, I think for gun owners 01:48:32.065 --> 01:48:34.495 to have sympathy and empathy for the people 01:48:34.554 --> 01:48:36.655 on both ends of these violent crimes, because. 01:48:37.410 --> 01:48:40.259 And you see it writ large amongst the population 01:48:40.259 --> 01:48:41.999 that more people have been killed by opioid 01:48:41.999 --> 01:48:43.419 overdoses than by COVID. 01:48:44.160 --> 01:48:45.539 But more people are willing to make 01:48:45.570 --> 01:48:47.730 massive concessions to their daily lives 01:48:47.730 --> 01:48:48.539 because of the COVID. 01:48:49.139 --> 01:48:51.089 But no one would make a single concession about 01:48:51.120 --> 01:48:54.120 opioids because quote unquote, the people that 01:48:54.120 --> 01:48:55.320 overdose are not like me. 01:48:56.519 --> 01:48:59.079 And that's, if you want to know where I think 01:48:59.079 --> 01:49:00.309 Canada is going wrong, that's where it is. 01:49:00.309 --> 01:49:02.589 And it's across the board and it's it's, we just 01:49:02.589 --> 01:49:05.499 don't read out the gang bangers and gun owners. 01:49:05.740 --> 01:49:07.329 It's almost like they're proud to 01:49:07.329 --> 01:49:08.950 say that's not me. 01:49:09.789 --> 01:49:11.919 Instead of going, that could have been me. 01:49:12.110 --> 01:49:12.619 He's one of us. 01:49:12.619 --> 01:49:14.289 There by the grace of God go I, right? 01:49:14.289 --> 01:49:16.959 Like, your childhood unfolds a little bit 01:49:16.959 --> 01:49:18.910 differently, you know? 01:49:19.459 --> 01:49:19.959 Yeah, exactly. 01:49:19.959 --> 01:49:20.410 That could be you. 01:49:23.019 --> 01:49:23.349 That's good. 01:49:23.619 --> 01:49:27.069 Well, Daniel, Ryan, thank you very much. 01:49:27.099 --> 01:49:28.959 This was an excellent podcast 01:49:29.379 --> 01:49:30.459 listeners out there. 01:49:30.489 --> 01:49:32.649 If you have thoughts, please let us know. 01:49:32.709 --> 01:49:34.569 You can email them, leave them on YouTube. 01:49:34.599 --> 01:49:37.149 Leave them in the, in the comments on the, uh, 01:49:37.149 --> 01:49:41.059 the podcast there., make sure checkout Calibre 01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:43.989 Magazine, there's plenty of good content in the 01:49:43.989 --> 01:49:45.609 magazine, just like you've been hearing 01:49:45.609 --> 01:49:46.480 from Daniel here. 01:49:47.004 --> 01:49:49.074 And if you want to take your rifle to 01:49:49.074 --> 01:49:53.514 11 checkout IBI, get yourself an IBI barrel. 01:49:54.384 --> 01:49:54.984 Thanks guys. 01:49:55.274 --> 01:49:56.355 Oh, thanks for having us. 01:49:57.164 --> 01:49:57.824 Yeah, likewise. 01:49:57.824 --> 01:49:59.324 And I'll continue to be the strongest 01:49:59.324 --> 01:50:01.064 reason why these podcasts need a mute 01:50:01.064 --> 01:50:01.874 button for the guests. 01:50:01.964 --> 01:50:02.174 No. 01:50:03.674 --> 01:50:05.184 Need to talk more and not less Dan. 01:50:05.234 --> 01:50:05.684 Absolutely. 01:50:06.714 --> 01:50:15.844 I'm trying, we're hoping.