WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:07.519 practical ways. 4 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:16.239 Hey, we're back. That's another episode. Is stunningly exciting episode 5 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:19.160 of The Bible Guys. I'm Jeff and this is Kyle. 6 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:22.160 Chris is out of town this week, but we are 7 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:24.079 super excited to have you calls. Right, this is gonna 8 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:24.879 be a great day. 9 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:27.879 Yes, I'm excited to be on this podcast with Jeff. 10 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:29.359 Come on, give it up for him. Wherever you're at 11 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:30.519 a little clap, wherever in the. 12 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:34.280 Car, or whatever may be. The people are going wild. Hey, 13 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:35.679 So before we get into. 14 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.520 Today's scripture, actually we're gonna play a quick game. And 15 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:40.920 wherever you're at in the car, maybe you're listening at home. 16 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:42.439 Maybe this is you know what you do while you're 17 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:44.479 working out. We want you to let us know your 18 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:46.920 answers as well, because I'm gonna ask you some questions. 19 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:49.200 Jeff and I got my perspective on it as well. Okay, 20 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:51.759 but basically, we're gonna play a game called one Must Go. 21 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:52.640 One must Go. 22 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:53.000 That's right. 23 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:55.960 Desiree loves this game. So between these two options, you 24 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:58.640 have to decide two wonderful things. One of them we 25 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:00.600 have to get rid of us forever. 26 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:02.280 Yeah, forever forever. 27 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:04.120 It's just we've eliminated this. 28 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.200 Never like Audi, your memory, it's gone. Okay, this is hard. 29 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:07.599 Here we go. 30 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:10.719 Here's the first one. Which one which one must go? 31 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.319 Spaghetti or lasagna? 32 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:22.959 Man, that is a tough one. Boy. I would say lasagna. 33 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.319 Has to go. Yeah, oh wow, I would choose would spaghetti? 34 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:27.200 Really? Yeah? 35 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.159 You know, and even to be honest with you, lasagna 36 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:30.599 like whoever invented that? 37 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:32.560 Like that's just kind of a creative Like it's a 38 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.000 it's a spaghetti cake. Yeah, it's like, okay, that's what 39 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:37.799 it is, just like make a cake mix some of 40 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:44.000 our verything. So you prefer prefer lasagna. 41 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:42.560 Well, I don't know. 42 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.599 If I've had bad lasagna. I don't have very often. Yeah, 43 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:48.799 I just don't have bad lasagna. Yeah, so I don't 44 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.560 have a problem. I'll make spaghetti, but I never make design. 45 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:52.359 I've never heavy. 46 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.439 Right, So that's that's the As I was making my decision, 47 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:56.959 I thought, well, if it has to be gone forever, 48 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:58.519 I should stick with the thing I know how to make. 49 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.439 Yes, that's good. A right kicking one. Which one must 50 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:08.439 go suku or crossword crossword puzzles okay really yeah, yeah, okay, 51 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:10.759 So I would have normally, but I started playing Sudoku 52 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.120 like a like a I wanted to make fun of boomers. 53 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.199 But I started, you know, sitting on the couch playing 54 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:16.240 saduku about a year ago. 55 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:18.240 There you go, there you go. Yeah, it's it's a 56 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:21.759 nice game. But I like crossword Okay, okay, third one 57 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.960 cross word crosswords require a broader knowledge of things than 58 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:28.479 just being able to put together a pattern. Yeah yeah, 59 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:29.199 right yeah. 60 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:31.039 And after a while, like I started getting in the Sadoku. 61 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.080 I was playing like the beginner level, and I thought, 62 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:35.280 I felt like I was pretty good. I challenging myself. 63 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:36.800 Oh yeah, I was like timing myself. And then I 64 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.240 go to like medium levels. Still pretty good. Then there's 65 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.319 like a then there's a whole other level Ofoku where 66 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:43.439 they give you like like four letters or four numbers, 67 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:44.080 and you're like, here. 68 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.360 We go, Yeah, you accidentally crack the code for how 69 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.159 to split an at them. Yes, I end up. 70 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:50.800 Finding myself in the back of the book where they 71 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:52.240 give away the answers. 72 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:53.599 A lot more than I'd like to admit. 73 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:56.719 Okay, all right, Third one, would you rather let go 74 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.680 the robot dance or the worm? 75 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.400 The robot dance or the worm? Let's get rid of 76 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:06.719 the robot dance? Yeah, because I think the worm is 77 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.439 more fun. Oh yeah, and my grandson can do the worm? Yeah? 78 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:11.520 Yeah, yeah, the worm. 79 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:11.680 Man. 80 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:13.479 I think whenever I see somebody do do the worm, 81 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.560 especially if it's like a grown person, like at a wedding, 82 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:18.240 I'm like, I don't know what would happen if I tried. 83 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:20.039 It's way more impressive than the robot. 84 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:21.639 Would it be painful? Could you imagine trying to do 85 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:22.960 that like the worm? Like right now? 86 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.360 No, I would not. I don't get up, I'd get down. 87 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:26.960 I'd just be stuck there your knees. 88 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.000 I mean, like everything about it just seems painful with 89 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.280 the robot. I mean anybody can do that, right, that's right. 90 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:34.080 Fourth one, would you rather get rid of a banana 91 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:35.719 split or root beer float? 92 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:40.360 Ooh, that's this banana split or root beer float? I'm 93 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:42.159 going to get rid of the root beer float? 94 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:42.800 Wow? Really? 95 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:43.120 Yeah? 96 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.240 Do you have banana splits like bananas? Okay? 97 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:46.360 Yeah, what about you? 98 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:49.520 I think I've definitely had a lot more root beer 99 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.800 floats because it's easier to make. 100 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:53.680 Requires two ingredients. 101 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:56.719 But banans splits, I would say, yeah, if I had 102 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:58.759 to choose between the two of them, Yeah, banas split's awesome. 103 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:00.639 I just don't have them very often. Well, there you go, 104 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:03.120 and the last one, would you one must go? Mini 105 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:04.639 golf or laser tag? 106 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:09.719 Oh? Man, uh, Mini golf or laser tag. They're both 107 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:11.520 fun to me? Do you like? Do you like them? 108 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.759 I would say mini golf is really fun for the 109 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.399 first like four or five holes, and then you're like, wow, 110 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:19.439 we've got, you know, fifteen. 111 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.040 More to goteen more than to go and we're standing 112 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:22.199 out in the sun. Yeah. 113 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:24.079 Yeah, everyone starts cheating on their scorecard. 114 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.800 But the other side, you know, laser tag, if you 115 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:29.879 get a bad gun, it's shooting over to the left 116 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.040 or to the right and it's not very accurate, or 117 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:34.519 somebody has the gun that they just pull the trigger 118 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:35.360 and everybody gets you. 119 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.000 Yeah, you know, it's frustrating to get down. 120 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.360 You're like, you around, you're all sweaty. Yeah yeah, yeah, 121 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.519 I don't know. I think I would choose the one 122 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:42.759 that has to go is laser tag. 123 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:44.759 Oh really, Okay, I'm gonna choose many i'd get rid 124 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:46.199 of mini golf, get rid of me. I would say 125 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.680 laser tag. Though usually when I play, I would say, 126 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:50.959 I'm always shocked at like ten minutes fly by, and 127 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.000 you're like, I just dropped twenty two dollars for ten 128 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:56.439 minutes women play, Yes, so just from a frugal perspective, 129 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:58.240 laser tag kind of frustrates me, but I enjoy it 130 00:04:58.279 --> 00:04:58.720 a little bit more. 131 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.040 I would say, you are. 132 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.959 Such a dad. To go back to yesterday's episode, I 133 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.319 just dropped twenty bucks for ten minutes, exactly. 134 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.000 Yeah, there you are, exactly, there you go. 135 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.839 You can't just pay, you can't just accept the fact 136 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.680 you paid two dollars per minute of ecstasy. 137 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:14.399 No, no, Now you're. 138 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.480 Feeling grund people exactly, and especially if I didn't win, 139 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:18.040 or like, you know, my name's not up on the 140 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:18.480 board and. 141 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.720 All four of you guys go at costy eighty bucks. 142 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:22.519 Exactly yep, yep, and then and then like the kids, 143 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:23.639 you know, they're embarrassing me the whole time. 144 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:27.240 Anyway, So yeah, that's right, Oh dad, you're ruining my 145 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.720 life's funny. Okay, Well, hey so we aligned on what 146 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:33.160 two or three of those Yeah, yeah, probably fifty to 147 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.800 fifty yep, okay, yeah, well good, well, I know that 148 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.240 that was a riveting segment for our listen. Our listeners 149 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.519 were just so worried about the things that we've banished 150 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:43.639 from human existence. 151 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:44.560 Absolutely. 152 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:49.279 Yeah. Anyways, Now, I mentioned yesterday that we for some 153 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:53.439 reason had the challenge of dividing these twelve verses into 154 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.560 two full segments. And yesterday we talked about the goodness 155 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.439 of God, that God keeps his promises. Moses was faithful, right, 156 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:05.079 That's what we talked about. And then today Moses dies. Yep. 157 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:09.879 This is the end of a really significant era in 158 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:15.319 the Bible, and the end of the life on this 159 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.040 earth of other than Jesus, I think, the greatest reader ever. 160 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:21.879 So here we'll just read the last few verses of 161 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.279 the Book of Deuteronomy. It says this in chapter thirty four, 162 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.680 verse five. So Moses, the servant of the Lord, died 163 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:29.480 there in the land of Moab, just as the Lord 164 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.959 had said. The Lord buried him in a valley near 165 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:35.600 Bethpure and Moab, but to this day no one knows 166 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.879 exact place. Moses was one hundred and twenty years old 167 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.319 when he died, yet his eyesight was clear, and he 168 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:44.240 was as strong as ever. The people of Israel mourned 169 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.639 for Moses on the plains of Moab for thirty days 170 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.519 until the customary period of mourning was over. Now, Joshua, 171 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.560 the son of Nune was full of the spirit of wisdom, 172 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:55.040 for Moses had laid his hands on him. So the 173 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.639 people of Israel obeyed him, doing just as the Lord 174 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.839 had commanded Moses. There has never been and another prophet 175 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:03.480 in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face. 176 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:07.279 The Lord sent him to perform all the miraculous signs 177 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:09.519 and wonders of the land of Egypt against Pharaoh and 178 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:12.600 all his servants in his entire land. With mighty power. 179 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:18.800 Moses performed terrifying acts in the sight of all of Israel. Wow, 180 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:22.600 those last two verses, Man, Hey, how's that? How's that 181 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:24.839 for your epitaph at the end of your life in 182 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.160 the and I mean, that's recording the Bible for now, 183 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:28.399 you know, thousands of years. 184 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.160 So that's pretty incredibly cool. Yeah, I've been that verse ten. 185 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:34.839 There there has never been another prophet in Israel like Moses, 186 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:36.959 whom the Lord knew face to face. 187 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:37.839 I love that verse. 188 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.879 And in this Life Application Study by Ballant or just 189 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.839 read this section here, because they actually kind of do 190 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.240 a great job of summarizing, even though the end of 191 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:46.560 the chapter does a great job of summer. 192 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.560 I love the Life Study by Yeah, but I. 193 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:50.279 Want to read this little section in here and just 194 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:51.720 kind of break it down because it does a great 195 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.639 job honesty of honoring Moses. But it says this Moses, 196 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.279 the man who did not want to be sent to 197 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.959 Egypt because he was quote unquote not very good with words, 198 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:02.959 delivered the three addresses to Israel that make up the 199 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.240 Book of Deuteronomy, which I love. I think one of 200 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:06.720 his type. I think people refer to him as the 201 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:07.519 reluctant leader. 202 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:07.759 Yeah. 203 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:09.279 I mean, there's so many in the Bible, but he's 204 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:10.120 one of them. 205 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:13.120 He says, God gave him the power to develop from 206 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.680 a stuttering shepherd into a national leader and powerful order. 207 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.720 His courage, humility, and wisdom molded the Hebrew slaves into 208 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.160 a nation. But Moses was one person who did not 209 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:26.120 let success get to his head. In the end, God 210 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.319 was still Moses's best friend. His love, respect, and awe 211 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:33.240 for God had grown daily throughout his life. Moses knew 212 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.639 that it was not any greatness in himself that made 213 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.240 him successful. It was a greatness of the all powerful 214 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.840 God in whom he trusted and says there were many 215 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.639 great and powerful prophets during the time of the kings, 216 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.279 but it would be more than a thousand years before 217 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.039 one greater than Moses would appear. 218 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:49.799 And that's Jesus. 219 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:51.120 Yeah, isn't it great? 220 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:52.360 Yeah? I love that. 221 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:54.720 What a great way to summer up, you know, sum 222 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.799 up his life. I love the fact that you know 223 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.840 he argued with literally argues with God. Yeah, multiple times. 224 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.679 He has these face and face, face to face encounters 225 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:06.080 with gods. The only person in the Bible like that. 226 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.480 And at the beginning he's arguing with God. Oh, I 227 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.600 can't go because I stutter. Yeah, I'm not a good 228 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.200 speech giver. But here we are thirty four chapters in 229 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:17.879 and thirty three of the thirty four chapters in the 230 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:21.519 Book of Deuteronomy are speeches. Yeah, right, three, It's just 231 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:22.639 three big long speeches. 232 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:22.919 Love it. 233 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.480 He's up there speaking to millions of people, declaring, thus 234 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.919 says the Lord, and this is how you should live. 235 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:31.759 Choose life. And you know, oh, that you would choose 236 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.919 life and walk away from a life, of death, all 237 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:38.159 those things, and he's just so strong in his communication. 238 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:41.440 You read these things, and he has this strength and 239 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:44.840 this confidence in his speech giving, which is hysterical because 240 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:47.360 his biggest argument to God was I'm not a very 241 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:48.399 good Yes, it's. 242 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.639 Beautiful, And even that little section they're talking about how 243 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.080 his strength was not his own, it was through God 244 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.320 and just a reminder that sometimes we limit ourselves, are 245 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.919 limiting beliefs in what God can do in us and 246 00:09:58.960 --> 00:09:59.399 through us. 247 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.639 Is it's pretty incredible, especially a story like this and 248 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:03.399 how much that means. 249 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.200 And I don't know about you, but I personally, I mean, 250 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.240 I have so many moments. You know, I don't know 251 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.279 if you're I'm sure your ministry background, I know, I've 252 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.480 heard I've heard a lot of yours stories about college 253 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.279 and things like that, but I had I remember when 254 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.840 I first actually got called into ministry. It was something 255 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:18.399 for sure that was a God thing, because it was 256 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:20.679 not a me thing. I was already you know, going 257 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.320 down a certain career path and that sort of thing. 258 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.080 But when guy called me, I remember the people that 259 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.200 I was most embarrassed to tell, where the people who like. 260 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:29.000 Knew me growing up? 261 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:30.879 Oh right, Yeah, and a part of it was just 262 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:32.399 kind of funny when you think back here, like there's 263 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:32.879 no way. 264 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:34.399 And then some of the people I went to high 265 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.480 school with, even some family members, wait, wait see, you 266 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:37.720 want to be a pastor? 267 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:38.960 Yeah. 268 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.360 And it's interesting, you know, because here's you know, Moses, 269 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.679 a reluctant leader. And I think so many, so many 270 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:45.559 of us, so many people I've met, they're like, it's 271 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.600 exactly how they describe themselves. It doesn't matter how confident 272 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.360 we may appear or others may appear. It's like internally, 273 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:53.960 you know, sometimes it has to start. It always starts, 274 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.600 almost always with that humility, that reluctance to lead. 275 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.399 Yeah, I did not want to be a past I 276 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.240 mean I can remember literally and always be careful with 277 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.240 this idea. I can literally remember telling God, I'll do 278 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:08.440 anything else you want me to do. I just don't 279 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:09.320 make me be a preacher. 280 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:10.240 Oh yeah wow. 281 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.159 And it seems like whenever we tell God I'll do 282 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.600 anything except this thing, God goes I got an idea, 283 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.559 You're gonna go do that thing? Right. It happens over 284 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.440 and over and over again. But yeah, there was this 285 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.279 is the thing. And then I had three pastors that 286 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.039 I worked for before I came to hero To Church, 287 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.559 and all three of them told me, thank God you're 288 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.919 a musician, because God didn't make you a preacher. Wow, right, right, 289 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:36.480 because that's what I was as I was a musician, 290 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.840 you know, a worship leader everywhere, and I just got 291 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.799 very poor grades from the preachers that I worked for 292 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:47.080 before coming to Heritage. And then when I came to Heritage, 293 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:51.279 I had spoken often to teenagers and young adults. I 294 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:55.679 ran youth ministries and children's ministries and young adult ministries, 295 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.559 but I had only spoken six times to adults. 296 00:11:58.639 --> 00:11:59.960 Yeah, I thought, I remember that being a party of 297 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:01.080 yeah six times. 298 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.159 Six times. And so when I came to Heritage Church 299 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:06.720 the first time and they wanted me to speak to adults, 300 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.759 I was very It was in my head, yeah, man, wow, 301 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:13.240 that I'm not good at this. This is this is 302 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.759 where I remember thinking when I walked out, this is 303 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.320 why I'm not going to get this job. Right, They're 304 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:20.919 not they're not going to bring me on, they're not 305 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.000 going to vote to have me be their pastor because 306 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.639 I just I'm not a good preacher. And so I 307 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:31.120 went out and spoke and then tried really hard to 308 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.039 wrap my head around. When I got done, I'm trying to, like, 309 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.080 you know, do this autopsy on it. How did it go? 310 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:37.600 And my wife was like, oh, you did a really 311 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:40.080 nice job. And I'm like, I don't know, I don't 312 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:41.399 know if I did a good job a bad job, 313 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:44.240 you know. And then they called me back and kept 314 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.399 having me come back, which was amazing. And so it 315 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.799 turned out I'd only spoken in front of adults six times, 316 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.399 but they didn't ask wow, and so I didn't tell 317 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:55.159 them how and they voted me in anyways. But that 318 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:59.240 had always been for you know, probably half my time 319 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.240 here at Heritage Church. That's always been the thing that 320 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:03.600 I felt like, Okay, man, you know, God's just going 321 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.279 to have to get past this fact that I'm not 322 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.200 a very good communicator, and I feel like God has 323 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.279 filled in the gaps, and you know, yeah, that's pretty 324 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:14.360 wild though. That's pretty wild though that, you know, because a. 325 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.360 Lot of people who would you know, hear you speak 326 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.679 obviously you speak daily in a podcast, not to mention 327 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.399 on Sunday mornings, big crowds, all that stuff, would think, 328 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:23.159 oh yeah this probably comes now, Oh yeah, this is 329 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.559 this was easy for her, and this was probably He's 330 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:27.080 probably gifted with us from the beginning. 331 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.600 So, you know, as the church started getting bigger and 332 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.759 you know, all these magazines, you know, making a big 333 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.240 deal about Heritage Church, all of a sudden, I started 334 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:38.360 getting invitations, Hey do you want to speak at this conference? 335 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:39.960 Do you want to speak at that conference? And I 336 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.799 kept declining them. Yeah, right, Hey, some of those conferences 337 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:43.639 give you big checks. 338 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:44.120 Oh wow. 339 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:45.919 But I kept thinking, oh, if I go out there 340 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:48.159 and said, I'm going to get exposed as a fraud. Okay, yeah, 341 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.840 because you got these really great speakers and I'm not 342 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:52.399 a great speaker. And it was one of the things 343 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.360 that I think, I think God used that to keep 344 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.840 me from getting out on that stage thing, and instead 345 00:13:58.039 --> 00:13:59.840 I gave all of my focus in my heart to 346 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:04.960 I want to help the everyday average preacher pastor who's 347 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.320 trying to figure out how to get a church started right. 348 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.399 So I really I shifted away from conference speaking, which 349 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:14.159 is not my thing, into really coaching and developing and 350 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.320 strategizing on how to help pastors get churches started right. 351 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:19.320 And so that's been a big part of my focus. 352 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:20.879 But I think a part of it was just being 353 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.519 intimidated intimidated by all these famous speakers, these guys. Our 354 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.039 church is as big as theirs. Yeah, but you know, 355 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:32.120 but I just never felt like equal to comparison. Man. 356 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.120 It's always if you compare yourself to other people, is 357 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:35.799 what Jesus says. 358 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.320 Yeah, but we do it anyway, Oh. 359 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.360 Ye, one hundred percent. But I do think it's interesting though. 360 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.559 You know, the thing that it said in the thing 361 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.279 that that Moses was known for, it said wisdom, which 362 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:47.799 he definitely was a wise man, courage, courage to to 363 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.200 do what he did, but then also humility marked him. 364 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:51.679 He didn't let success to get to his head. 365 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.000 And it makes you wonder if maybe that's a part 366 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:55.919 of I mean, there's many reasons why God was such 367 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:57.759 a close friend of him so on base to face 368 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:59.879 a relationship, but I'm wondering if it was just Moses. 369 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.480 Is humility the fact that he the way Moses viewed 370 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.200 God and related to God, and even in humility to 371 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.320 even like question God and have a conversation like there's 372 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:09.720 some humility and not just to say like, hey, I 373 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.480 don't know God, so I'm asking you this. I think 374 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:14.480 that out of humility in a way, you know, And 375 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.080 I think it's a really really uh cool reminder of 376 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.000 the fact that that is something that that that's a 377 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.519 characteristic that God loved so much. And then even in 378 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:24.480 that it talks about how Jesus ultimately becomes, you know, 379 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.919 the greatest prophet prophet ever and Moses a picture of Jesus, 380 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.440 Jesus himself we see throughout scripture. I mean, he didn't 381 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:32.840 he didn't use equality with God as something to be 382 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:33.919 used for his advantage. 383 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:35.320 He actually humbled himself. 384 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:37.600 And I think that's really a great trait of Moses 385 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:39.799 that so often, you know, we forget about because we 386 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.159 see all the heroics, we see him the speaking, we 387 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:44.759 see him as this great leader, and those are all 388 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:47.799 great things, but it starts with that, that perspective of humility. 389 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:48.559 Yeah. 390 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.759 You know, the Bible says that Moses was the meekest 391 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:54.279 person that ever lived. 392 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:55.799 Oh my God. Yeah wow. 393 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.360 And that's that goes along with that humility, that kind 394 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:02.480 of thing. We tend to think of meekness as weakness. 395 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.519 We tend to think of meekness as you know, a 396 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.039 meek person is a kind of mousey, kind of sissy. Yeah, 397 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.639 and that's the wrong way to view it. But I 398 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.440 think it's his meekness is what gets God's attention so 399 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:18.679 much with him. So meekness. The best definition of meekness 400 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.240 that I've ever heard is meekness is strength and power 401 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.879