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Welcome to the We Are More podcast.

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My name is Alyssa.

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And my name's Bri.

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We're two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism.

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We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His

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word.

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And apparently that's controversial.

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Get comfy.

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My feet are tan.

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But my legs are not.

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Bri has the absolute most hilarious tan lines right now.

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Like Birkenstock tan lines times 5,000.

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I'm a Birkenstock girly, but I also am a leggings girly.

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So I got like two brown stripes on my feet.

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So if you haven't listened recently, we just got back from Disney a couple of days ago.

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It seems like forever ago.

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It does.

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It feels like we've been back to real life for a long time.

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Back to reality?

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Oh, there goes gravity.

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I think the issue is that we got back from Disney and like jumped directly back into

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real life and that has taken a toll on me.

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Well we got back.

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We did, okay.

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Stupid things.

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We did stupid things.

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So we got on a flight, the evening flight.

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It was like 6.30.

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So we didn't actually get back to the house until like 11.30 and then I had work the next

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day.

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Yeah.

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And my daughter went to school the next day.

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So we ended up and I wasn't supposed to work, but work scheduled me because that's what

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they do in life.

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And my husband worked.

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It was a mess.

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Are you guys enjoying our complaining?

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Listen, we're having a hard time.

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So we've had to settle in with two glasses of wine.

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We're having wine.

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A new segment.

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Wine down with a Lisanne Brianna.

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I love it.

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How do we do that?

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We invite everybody to also have a glass of wine and listen to our rants and our raging.

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We are not particularly wound down people.

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We're kind of like high key people.

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So we're wound tight.

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Hang on.

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I gotta have a sip.

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Oh, me too.

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Mine is called like lime light or something and it's got hints of key lime and I, it's,

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I can't quite decide.

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You don't like it because key limes are gross.

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No, key lime is good.

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You're insane.

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I'm not.

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Okay.

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But have you ever had, I know you've had it because I've had it with you people out there

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in computer land.

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Have you ever had the lemon cello La Croix's because those I think are disgusting.

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Absolutely horrendous.

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It's like vanilla.

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Yeah.

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It tastes like, you know, those cookies that are supposed to be sandwich cookies and you

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get them in Sunday school and they're lemon.

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They taste like vanilla, but it's a cookie.

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So that's acceptable.

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Yeah, but not in a beverage.

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This is a beverage and a sparkling beverage.

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Yeah.

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It tastes like La Croix.

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So really it's just like someone yelled, lemon cello across the room and you took a sip of

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water, a sip of sparkling water though.

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So it's better.

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Oh, we can't even make fun of it.

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We like La Croix's.

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I do.

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I have a poster of La Croix in my room.

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You do.

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I'm looking at it right now.

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It's very Andy Warhol.

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It was brought to you by Lydia.

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So yeah, we're back.

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We've got the Disney saddies.

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Last week we were hanging out with Mickey Mouse.

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So this, it's tough.

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I'll be honest with you.

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I watched a video today on being your true authentic self and your realist self.

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And I want to be really real with everybody.

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Oh dear.

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I have not recovered from my sweat mustache from Florida.

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I still am struggling with it for some reason, just this upper lip sweat that doesn't want

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to go away.

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And we're in Michigan now, like in the morning it's 53 degrees.

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That's cold.

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It was hot today though.

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I have like, what's happening?

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I don't know.

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Yeah, it was hot in Florida.

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I have not.

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My birthday is in the winter.

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I am a winter baby.

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I do not do heat or mugginess.

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It gets muggy in Michigan, but there it's just different.

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I can do a fair bit of heat if I'm sitting down.

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Like I'm going out to the patio to have a glass of wine or we're just stepping outside

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and then directly back into the air conditioning.

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But it was hot.

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I think the real feel most days was like 106 or something.

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And we all looked disgusting.

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Yeah we did.

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We were like swamp people.

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I just don't know how people function in that level of humidity.

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People out there, hey, do we have any listeners in Florida?

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We do.

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How are you dealing with the heat?

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Do you constantly feel like a swamp monster?

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Go to our TikTok and let us know.

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With the hashtag, we are more swamp monsters.

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You know how Lady Gaga calls all of her followers little monsters?

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Yeah.

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Oh, our listeners are swamp monsters.

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Why?

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Because we're hot.

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That sentence just kept getting worse.

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Sorry.

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On that note, speaking of hot, boy does Alyssa have a story for you.

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Boy do I have a story.

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And it's not about rubber ducks.

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You'll understand if you've seen Veggie Tales.

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All right.

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For the drinking game, Bree said Veggie Tales.

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There you go.

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There you go.

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So today we are starting a series.

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I think it's going to be a three parter, but frankly I'm going to keep talking about it

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till I feel like not talking about it anymore.

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Because it's our podcast and not yours.

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So we're going to be talking about one of the Bible characters that I think is potentially

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one of the most influential women in the Bible and definitely one that has shaped the way

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that women are talked about in church.

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Very true.

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And I've wanted to talk about her for a long time, but we just haven't.

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We've had a lot to talk about.

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I don't know.

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We haven't dedicated the time to it yet.

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And so we're going to start probably a three parter on Bathsheba and her story, which is

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in I think 2nd Samuel.

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Let me look that up real quick.

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Now guys, I want you to know that in researching for this particular set of episodes, I read

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this portion.

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So it's 2nd Samuel 11 and then it extends into 12, chapter 12.

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And I read this story in four different translations, which wow.

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Including Aramaic in Greek.

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No, I didn't do that.

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She's lying.

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I just really wanted to boost your confidence.

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Did you just want to say Aramaic?

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Yep.

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No, I read this in the NIV and the message.

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And then I thought, all right, those are like the two of the translations that I turn to

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often.

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Now the message is not a translation, but those are two that I read semi-often.

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And I thought I should probably read this from a different perspective because of the

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way that I've heard it preached.

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And we'll get into that in a second.

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So I also read it in the ESV, which we are not a fan of.

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And then the BLT.

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No, that's not a thing.

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It's a thing.

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It's just not a Bible.

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Bree's hungry.

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No, and then I also read it in the KJV.

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So the King James version, the KJV, is one that we don't talk about a ton, I don't think.

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There's a lot of these thousand vies.

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It's just one of the ones that's a lot older.

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So yeah, it's written in Old English.

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It can be tough to understand.

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And when we go, we'll do an episode on translations at some point.

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And when we do that, we'll talk a little bit about people's view of the King James version.

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But it's not one of my favorites.

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If it's one of your favorites, that's totally fine.

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It's just not one of my preferred versions.

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So what I'm going to do is kind of just go through the story of Bathsheba.

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Like I said, Bathsheba's story is told in 2 Samuel.

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And I can't tell you how many times I've heard this preached.

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Women don't get talked about from this church stage a lot.

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The pulpit.

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The pulpit.

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Thank you.

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But when they do, when they do, it's usually negative.

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And when it comes to Bathsheba, that is definitely the case.

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So we're going to go through some of the preconceived notions and then kind of the general story.

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And then the next couple of weeks, we're going to go into some of our good friends who have

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done really great research on this topic.

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Our BFFs.

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Beth, I'm looking for you.

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Someday.

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I hope that she listens to this, but also I hope that she doesn't because she might be

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frightened with how much we reference her.

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I refer to people exclusively as my best friends.

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Often.

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So when this story gets brought up in church, Bathsheba is often portrayed as the bad guy,

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bad girl.

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I don't really know.

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Her mischievous girl.

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Is that a song?

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I'm sorry.

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Who are you?

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Yes, it is.

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What song is that?

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Promiscuous Girl.

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What is it?

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You've heard it.

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I'm actually genuinely upset that I don't know this song.

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How dare you?

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Anyway.

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So when this story gets told, Bathsheba is often portrayed as the promiscuous girl.

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You're welcome.

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She's the one who seduces David, who is the king of Israel at the time.

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She's the bad guy, right?

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In most versions of this.

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Because women are so often referred to exclusively as sexual objects.

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Yes.

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So we're going to go into her story.

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Like I said, I'm just going to tell her story in a little bit of the way that we told the

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story of the woman at the well a couple of weeks ago, and just kind of make her into

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more of a real person.

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Now her name really is not mentioned all that many times for as much as we focus on her

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and have heard her name before.

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She's definitely part of the story, but she's not really the main part of the story.

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So the main character in her own story.

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Well I mean the story is mostly about King David being a jerk.

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And King David was Larry the Cucumber.

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Okay just to just lay it out there, the Veggie Tales did a video about this story.

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And it's really truly bad.

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Except that they couldn't do it exactly how it is because the story is all about sex and

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Veggie Tales can't do that.

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So they made it about rubber duckies.

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Obviously because all sex links back to rubber ducks throughout history.

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So the real story.

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So this is like I said 2 Samuel 11 and 12.

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This goes into 12 a little bit.

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And their lineage goes further as well, but those are the chapters we're going to focus

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on because that's a lot of verses folks.

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It's a lot of reading when you've read it four separate times.

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So the story starts off with the Israelite army off to war.

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So they're gone.

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They are going against the Ammonites who they've been at war with before.

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So I think the Ammonites attacked them at some point.

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So they've been going back and forth for a while.

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And the Bible literally says it's the time of year when kings go off to war.

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I don't know why.

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The spring is the time for war I guess.

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No it's for war.

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I should write that down.

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You should.

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Spring is coming Bree, you better prepare.

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I'm practically here.

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So anyway King David has sent his people off to war, but he has not gone to war, which

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is significant in this story.

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Most people, most of the Israelite people probably would have assumed that he had gone

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off to war.

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It would have been the expectation that he went with his army because it's his time.

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And also remember that David was a soldier in the past.

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When we're talking about King David here, we're talking about the same guy that knocked

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Goliath out with a single stone.

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And then I kind of forgot about that.

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There's so many Davids.

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There's just the one in the Bible though.

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It's just the one and he's got a lot of stories.

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What?

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Bree needs to go back to Bible college.

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I graduated from one.

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So David is not at war.

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He's in his palace, right?

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Now his palace is at the top of the hill.

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It's the highest point.

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It's the most defensible point.

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As all palaces should be.

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As they should be.

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Think like giant castle on top of a mountain.

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Okay.

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I mean, not really because it's a desert, but it's a hill.

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It's a hill.

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It's on top of a hill.

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So when you're on top of a hill, you tend to have the best vantage point, right?

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Like you can see about.

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And they did that for a reason so that defense would be better.

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However, David apparently is being a bit of a creep.

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I'm a creep.

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Now that one I knew.

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Thank you.

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I'm surprised that you know that one, but not the other one.

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I don't know.

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Nellie was not a big part of my childhood.

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So the story continues on that David essentially took a midday nap.

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Now I don't know if this was cultural and normal.

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The Bible kind of treats it like it's just midday nap.

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That's normal time.

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Midday nap.

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I wish I could have a midday nap.

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It was like his, what do they call it?

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Siesta?

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Yeah, Siesta.

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It was his Siesta.

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So he gets up from that.

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It's like evening time.

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So I think dusk, people are headed to bed, whatever.

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So he gets up and he goes straight to the roof.

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Odd choice.

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I do that every once in a while.

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But that's what he does.

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He goes straight to the roof and he looks around.

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Now the Bible doesn't say this, this is totally Alyssa's thoughts and opinions.

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But to me, why are you going off on your roof, bud?

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Is that normal behavior?

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I feel like David has done this before and he knows what windows to look in.

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I mean he's being a peeping Tom, right?

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That's clearly based on the rest of the story, that's what he's doing.

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Because what happens is he sees Bathsheba.

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Now she, it depends on the translation.

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Certain translations and certain scholars have said she was on her roof and certain

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translations and scholars say she was in her house.

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Either way, this gets lots of pastors.

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Pastors like to make a big deal out of the fact that she was publicly bathing.

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As though she was standing there like, oh, King, please look out at me at this moment

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while I bathe.

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Don't wave my fan in your direction.

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Yeah.

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No.

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She was in her home.

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She was in her home.

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It's evening time.

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She has an expectation of privacy.

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Just like if you were in your home, you get home from a rough day of work, you go head

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to the bath and maybe your curtains aren't all the way closed and someone peeks in.

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Is that on you?

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No.

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No.

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No, it's not.

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Either way, whether she's on her roof or in her house.

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She did not consent to someone peeping at her.

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Exactly.

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At no point was this okay.

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I don't care if she was laying naked in her yard.

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Well, I mean, really, like how many of us have gone out on the back porch and suntanned

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or something like that?

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You know, you have an expectation of privacy in your space.

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She would have had an expectation of privacy in her home in the evening where she could

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bathe.

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So David's looking around.

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He sees her.

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He's like, oh, she's gorgeous.

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Yeah.

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And from here on, I really don't understand how this story turns into Bathsheba being

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the bad person because let me tell you, David makes a series of horrifying decisions and

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Bathsheba is just the unfortunate bystander in these decisions.

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Because keep in mind at this time, she did not have a lot of rights.

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No.

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She had none, like none.

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We're talking Old Testament Bible.

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We're not even talking Jesus has come and said, hey, treat these women better or Paul

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has come and said, treat these women better.

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This is Old Testament Israel.

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She was property that was easily thrown away.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So David asks some of his people, find out who she is.

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So they ask around and they're like, oh, this is so-and-so's daughter.

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Now, she's referred to by her relationship to men.

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So so-and-so's daughter and also so-and-so's wife.

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So Uriah is her husband.

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First of all, horrible name.

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Uriah?

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Sounds like urethra.

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Also, you know how sometimes people like their surnames are named after what their occupations

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are?

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Do you think Bathsheba's name is Bathsheba because she loves to bathe?

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I thought you were going with Uriah on that one and it was going to be much worse.

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I'm glad that's where we went.

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His dad was a urologist.

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And they named his son Uriah.

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I don't think they had those back then.

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Well, they should have.

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So David finds out that this woman is married.

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Now, up until this point, like, yeah, he's a peeping Tom and he's being terrible.

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But at the very least, there's plausible deniability that maybe he didn't know she was married.

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Doesn't make it okay.

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Nope.

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Doesn't mean that she had ever consented in the first place.

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But I guess at least he didn't know she was married.

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Now there's no deniability.

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He knows she's married.

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He knows she is married to one of his people, one of his citizens.

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One of his soldiers.

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Yeah, one of his soldiers.

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So her husband is off to war in this war with the Ammonites.

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Fighting for him.

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Yeah.

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In a place he should have been fighting and he was not.

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Instead of respecting her, or at the very least respecting his soldier, he immediately

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has her brought to the palace.

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Keep in mind, she doesn't have a choice.

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Exactly.

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When this story is told, the millions of times that I've heard this preached, it's like,

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oh, and she seductively walked over to the palace because she knew he was staring at

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her.

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She didn't even bother to put on a towel.

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Like, no.

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She got a summons from the king.

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The king's people came and said, all right, you're coming to the palace.

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Now at this point, she probably had no idea why.

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For all she knows, David's about to tell her that her husband horrifically died.

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She has no idea what's going on.

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And all the Bible says, so this is chapter 11, verse 4, and it says, then David sent

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messengers to get her, to get her, not to ask her to come, to get her.

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She came to him and he slept with her.

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I think words are so powerful in that moment.

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It says he slept with her.

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It doesn't say they slept together.

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He took advantage of her.

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And then it says, then she went back home.

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So he wasn't in love with her.

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Again, not that that would make it okay, but this was just lust.

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He had a bunch of wives already.

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This was just him wanting to sleep with this girl.

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This was a power move.

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I can, so I'm going to.

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Now I'm not going to say the specific word here because algorithms don't like it, but

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he forced himself upon her.

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And we have examples of this in modern day.

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Let's say the president of the United States calls you into his office and says, you're

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going to sleep with me.

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Now this happened when I was a kid very publicly.

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And society absolutely blamed her.

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But the reality when we can look at it with a much more feminist and equality centered

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perspective is that when a man of power, of extreme power, says to you, you're going to

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do this, the implication is or else.

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I actually watched a TikTok, I think I sent it to you today, that was talking about that.

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It was saying how men in positions of power, we excuse for their terrible choices and their

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misbehaviors over and over again to keep their power.

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So then it's much easier to find a way to blame that woman.

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Was her skirt too short?

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Did she look at him a certain way?

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Did she walk the wrong way home?

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Time and time again, we are victim blaming.

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And then people get upset that we have a term for it called victim blaming.

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Well, you look at this and the focus is always on she was bathing, she was naked.

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How dare she want to wash herself?

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In her own home.

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In her own.

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How about we look out there and say, you're never allowed to have a bubble bath again.

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It's sinful.

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I'm looking at you, mom.

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It's just when you really break the story down like that, like making her into a real

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person, I sincerely don't understand how she's ever been blamed in this story.

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So it continues on and the next part of the story is it talks about her being on her period.

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So just a nice little trigger warning for you in case you haven't caught on that we

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talk about periods yet.

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So she in the Jewish culture of this time, women were considered unclean during their

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periods.

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And so that would have been they gave them like about five days of uncleanness, but then

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also afterwards, there were seven additional days where they were considered unclean.

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Now during this time, they couldn't have sex and they couldn't really like touch their

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husbands at all.

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I'm pretty sure that this is still the case today.

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I think Orthodox Jews in particular do still practice this.

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And you know, it sounds terrible, but maybe for women that don't have a lot of rights,

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this was a reprieve.

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You know, so that's a little bit of an offshoot, but yeah, but maybe part of their culture

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at the time, right?

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This was how they were functioning.

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And so there's arguments as to whether this bath she was taking was her like ritual cleansing,

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which they would have done at the end of the seven days, or if this was just a normal bath

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and she was still in her unclean phase.

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And if she was still in her unclean phase, then that would have been an additional sin

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on David because that would have meant now he was considered unclean as well.

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So this is just a little slight offshoot, but the different versions that I read kind

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of argued a little bit on that, on where she was in her cycle.

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Like what a weird thing to argue about.

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Was she on day two or day eight?

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We don't know.

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Oh, day eight.

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That's a rough time.

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So Bathsheba goes back home, right?

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David probably forgets that she exists.

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I forgot that you existed.

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Can't think any more of it.

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She's litigious.

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That's a fun name.

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Litigious?

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Can you imagine a child with that name?

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They would cry all the time.

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How would they spell that?

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They wouldn't.

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They wouldn't have room on the Scantron.

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So Bathsheba goes home.

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David does not send for her again.

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Okay.

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No.

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All it says is-

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Because he took what he wanted.

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Exactly.

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Now the mysteriousness is gone.

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So she gets pregnant.

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As women often do.

513
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,520
And so she sends word back to the castle.

514
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,200
The palace, the- I don't know.

515
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,960
Where are David's living?

516
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,560
The castle.

517
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,640
And says, hey, I'm pregnant.

518
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:52,060
Now based on timelines and the fact that they didn't have pregnancy tests at the time, you're

519
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:55,660
talking probably three weeks in between this.

520
00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:58,840
Now the verses, it's just verse four and five.

521
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,000
She went back home.

522
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,240
She conceived and sent word to David saying, I'm pregnant.

523
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,920
But you have to think there's about a three week period in the middle here.

524
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,920
At least.

525
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,920
Right.

526
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,720
Because she would have wanted to be sure.

527
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,720
She would have wanted to wait.

528
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,640
So maybe even a month before she says like, hey, we have a problem and you've left me

529
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,480
here with the problem and I don't know what to do now.

530
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,800
And my husband is nowhere around.

531
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Yeah.

532
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,080
So she can't even, not that this is something you'd want to do anyway, but she can't even

533
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,600
try and pass it off as like, no, this was my husband's child.

534
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,600
He's gone.

535
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,600
He's been gone.

536
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,080
We don't know for how long, but long enough that this isn't his kid.

537
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,080
Yeah.

538
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:46,520
So David panics because, oh, hey, somebody's going to find out that King David is screwing

539
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,520
around.

540
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,520
Ah.

541
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:54,960
So the first thing that he does now, again, making conscious bad choices.

542
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,800
We're not just talking about heat of the moment.

543
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,160
Oh no, I slipped and did something bad.

544
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,400
Not that that makes it okay, but that's not what we're talking about.

545
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,560
We're talking about conscious choices, premeditated.

546
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,560
Second degree.

547
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,560
Yeah.

548
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:15,640
Even in American law, premeditated murder, way worse than impulse murder.

549
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,640
Right.

550
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,640
Both bad.

551
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,440
People die, but it's worse.

552
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,440
Yeah.

553
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:27,480
So David sends word to the leader of his army, whose name is Joab, and he says, send me Uriah.

554
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,480
I don't think he says why.

555
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,800
Uriah was not of a status that he would have normally been called by the king, but David

556
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,600
is like, send that dude.

557
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,500
I need to have a chat.

558
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:41,500
So they send him.

559
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:45,280
Now I don't know how long this takes, but they're walking places.

560
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,280
Okay.

561
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Right.

562
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,920
It's not like he can hop on a Spirit airline.

563
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,920
It'll take a while.

564
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,920
Yeah.

565
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,000
So now Bathsheba is, I mean, potentially two months pregnant.

566
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Yeah.

567
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,000
I don't know how long it took.

568
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,000
Where's your athro?

569
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,560
We don't know.

570
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,560
I don't know how long it took for him to get back, but it probably took a bit for him to

571
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,460
get back to David.

572
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:10,760
So he gets there and David's like, how's the war going?

573
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,520
Hey buddy, long time no see.

574
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,320
Love ya.

575
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,900
And so Uriah's probably confused.

576
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:20,160
Why are you asking me?

577
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840
Why am I here?

578
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,120
There's no reason for me in particular to be here, but he doesn't question it because

579
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:27,120
this is his king.

580
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,120
Right.

581
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:30,800
This is his God ordained king.

582
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,320
He is supposed to listen.

583
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,720
So he does.

584
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:42,160
So David says, go home, wash your feet, have a good meal, and then you'll go back tomorrow.

585
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,280
You'll go back to the war tomorrow.

586
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,200
So David actually sends him with a bunch of meat and whatever for like a good meal for

587
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,200
the night.

588
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,720
He's trying to really trying to get him to sleep with his wife.

589
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,320
Maybe some oysters, some champagne.

590
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,320
Cute chocolate.

591
00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:04,840
And he's like, but again, this says to me, David doesn't actually care about Bathsheba.

592
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,160
No, he's worried about covering up his mistake.

593
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,320
Right.

594
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,480
So Uriah doesn't go back home.

595
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,680
Instead, he sleeps at the gates of the palace with the rest of David's servants.

596
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,360
Now David calls him the next day and is like, what the crap, dude?

597
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,160
I told you to go home.

598
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,160
You're not home.

599
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,160
Go to the gate.

600
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,160
Get out.

601
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:34,440
And Uriah is like, well, all of my brothers, the soldiers are out there battling and I shouldn't

602
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,920
be here comfortable and enjoying myself while they're out there fighting and dying.

603
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,680
So I'm going to sleep here at your palace gates with your servants and then I'm going

604
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,480
to go back.

605
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,400
And David's like, well, come on, man.

606
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,160
That's not what I wanted you to do.

607
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,640
But he can't just straight up tell him.

608
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,320
I need you to go home and sleep with your wife.

609
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,680
Like, that's a little bit suspicious.

610
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,200
We're going to get flagged on this.

611
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,880
So David is like, OK, he's calculating in his head.

612
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,960
And again, there are many moments in this story where David could fess up, where he

613
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,360
could say, I messed up.

614
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,360
He's the king.

615
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,260
There's not going to be a lot of consequences for him.

616
00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:20,200
He could easily do that.

617
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,200
He chooses not to.

618
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:28,160
So what he does instead is he says, all right, why don't you have dinner with me one more

619
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,160
time?

620
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,160
We'll eat, we'll drink.

621
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,400
It'll be great.

622
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,940
You'll go home tonight.

623
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:33,940
You'll go home.

624
00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:34,940
Home.

625
00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:35,940
And you're home, not mine.

626
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:36,940
And then you'll go back to work.

627
00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:43,480
I'll walk you home if you want.

628
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,880
And so they do.

629
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,880
David gets him wasted.

630
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,880
OK.

631
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,440
What a good time.

632
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,480
And then Uriah, again, doesn't go home.

633
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,340
He sleeps at the gates of the palace.

634
00:30:59,340 --> 00:31:02,560
So now what's David to do?

635
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,240
David's like, aw, shucks.

636
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:12,600
And again, another opportunity to say, hey, I messed up.

637
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,600
Let's fix this problem.

638
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,960
I want to sit you down for a second.

639
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,040
There's a reason why I called you.

640
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,080
It wasn't just because I thought you were a great time.

641
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,000
I in fact thought your name was Eurethra.

642
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,320
Also, I slept with your wife.

643
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Oh, by the way.

644
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,200
And she's pregnant.

645
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:34,800
So now David apparently no longer cares what happens to Uriah.

646
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,920
Now they've had interactions now.

647
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,200
David knows him now, but he sends him back and he sends his people back with word to

648
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,320
Joab, who again is the leader of the army.

649
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:54,400
And David says, look, I want you to put Uriah at the worst part of the fighting.

650
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,880
I want you to put him as far ahead of everybody else as you can with the strongest part of

651
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,560
the other team around him.

652
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,720
And then I want you all to back off.

653
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,600
Leave him there.

654
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Clearly we're murdering this man at this point.

655
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400
But you can't question him because he's the king.

656
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840
So Joab says, all right.

657
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,800
So they go up to the Ammonite city.

658
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,440
They get real close to the wall, which you're not supposed to do.

659
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,280
Are the peas throwing slushies?

660
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,240
The peas are throwing slushies.

661
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,840
I think that's a different veggie tails.

662
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,780
And the walls of Jericho.

663
00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:40,800
And so they get up really close and they put Uriah right where the worst or the I guess

664
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,560
I guess the best fighters from the other side are.

665
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,240
And then everybody else backs off.

666
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,040
So Uriah is killed along with other people.

667
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Not just him.

668
00:32:52,880 --> 00:33:00,840
Other people were sacrificed in this, I don't know, war David had against Uriah in particular.

669
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,040
And we don't know how many people.

670
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,480
We don't know what the casualties were.

671
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:11,560
So Joab sends word back to David and he's like, here's what happened in this battle.

672
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,440
And the servant tells David and David is like, what the crap are you guys doing?

673
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,440
That was a terrible idea.

674
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,380
You're not supposed to get close to the wall, whatever.

675
00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:20,860
And then the servant's like, oh, by the way, Uriah died.

676
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:24,800
And after he says that, David's like, oh, well, you're good.

677
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,220
You know, war happens.

678
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:27,220
People die.

679
00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:29,320
You guys did a really great job, it sounds like.

680
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,480
Doing your best.

681
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,120
All is well.

682
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,380
So Uriah is dead, right?

683
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:37,200
So now Bathsheba, we don't know how she got the news.

684
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,120
We don't know how far along she is at this point.

685
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,120
Exactly.

686
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,120
I mean, we're talking months in.

687
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,120
This is not a quick story.

688
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,080
It looks like a quick story in the Bible, but remember that there is a long timeline

689
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,080
here.

690
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,400
She's probably showing at this point.

691
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,040
What are her neighbors thinking?

692
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Like what?

693
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,520
I mean, they're in robes, so it might not be super obvious yet, but it's been some time.

694
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:06,800
Think about, you know, when you're in middle school, high school and in your, what class

695
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,400
is it where you're like homemaking class or whatever.

696
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,400
And you have to.

697
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,400
It's called homemaking.

698
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,160
I think it is.

699
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,280
When they would send those girls out with pregnancy bellies on.

700
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Yes.

701
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,320
I remember girls talking about like people just stared at me in the target, but think

702
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,240
about how much worse it is there.

703
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:26,560
Oh yeah.

704
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,160
Because you're, I mean, everybody knows her husband's even gone.

705
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,600
People are saying things to her.

706
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:38,120
People are isolating her and it's not her fault.

707
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,120
Right.

708
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,320
So she goes through a traditional period of mourning.

709
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:49,440
This is towards the end of chapter 11 and it doesn't really, we don't know how close

710
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,880
she was to her husband.

711
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,240
There's no indication of did they love each other?

712
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,040
Was this just an arranged marriage?

713
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,240
Marriage was very different back then.

714
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,200
So we have to take it in the context it's in.

715
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,760
Marriage was a partnership.

716
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,760
No, it wasn't.

717
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,360
A little tit for tat.

718
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,960
For sure it was not.

719
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,960
You'd think a lot.

720
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,200
I think I already quoted that.

721
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,440
Just gotta be on the bingo board somewhere.

722
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,680
So she goes through her traditional period of mourning.

723
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960
Whatever that looks like for her, I'm not 100% sure.

724
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,920
We'll probably go into that in some more of our research as time goes on.

725
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,680
I don't think they were wearing black.

726
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,000
I don't think they were wearing black.

727
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,000
It's too hot.

728
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000
It's very hot.

729
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,560
Pretty much the minute she's done mourning, David marries her.

730
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Now I think this part gets used as this indication that, no, he really did love her.

731
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Nah.

732
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,960
No.

733
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,960
He's saving face.

734
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,520
Again, the man's got a bunch of wives.

735
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,280
She doesn't matter to him necessarily anymore.

736
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,280
The Bible doesn't indicate that she matters to him anymore than any of these other wives.

737
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,500
It's just she's pregnant.

738
00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:02,120
And if he doesn't marry her, she's going to be exiled in society.

739
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,240
His child is going to be exiled in society.

740
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:10,320
And plus also she has the ability to say, even though people might not believe her,

741
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,520
this kid is King David's.

742
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:20,000
So there's a lot of risk here for him, which is why he's covered his tracks over and over

743
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,600
and over.

744
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,600
And not in good ways.

745
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:24,600
No.

746
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:31,120
So then verse 27, so the last verse of chapter 11 says, after the time of mourning was over,

747
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,360
David had brought her to his house and she became his wife and bore him a son.

748
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,760
So she had the baby.

749
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,800
Again, timeline.

750
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,600
So you're talking from start to finish nine and a half ish months.

751
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,800
This is a long story.

752
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,200
I feel like we glaze over that all the time.

753
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:56,920
This is nine months of David saying, screw you, God, I'm going to do what I feel like.

754
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,920
And I know that-

755
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,440
And we make excuse after excuse.

756
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,440
Right.

757
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,440
Later on, David is called a man after God's own heart.

758
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,840
And I think that, or maybe before this, I don't know, I think that we don't like to

759
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,800
blame David and say that he forced himself on her.

760
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,620
And again, I can't say the word, but you all know what I'm talking about.

761
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:18,280
And murdered people.

762
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,720
And he did a lot of really bad, bad, bad stuff.

763
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:27,120
And we don't like to say that because if he's a man after God's own heart, how do we reconcile

764
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,120
those two things?

765
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:35,680
And I think the only way that I can reconcile it is that God forgives even when I wouldn't.

766
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,780
I don't want him to be forgiven in this story.

767
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:40,640
This is a bad story.

768
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,200
This is the worst of the stories.

769
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,120
And I think it's used as an example as the worst of the stories because God can forgive

770
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,060
the worst of the people.

771
00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:51,880
I don't love it.

772
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,360
I struggle with it a lot.

773
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,000
Well, it shows how powerful God's love is.

774
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,960
It's not of this world.

775
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:06,000
And I think when we make excuses for his behavior because of that, we make the story smaller.

776
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,360
God's forgiveness is big enough to forgive this absolutely horrific person because that's

777
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,520
what he is in this story.

778
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,800
Now later on, he repents and et cetera, et cetera.

779
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,920
But in this story, he is the worst of humanity.

780
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,920
He's a murderer.

781
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,920
Yes.

782
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,920
Murderer of multiple people.

783
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,680
Like he doesn't care about his people.

784
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,200
He has abandoned his people in war.

785
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,960
He has done what he feels like doing to pleasure himself.

786
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Right.

787
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,800
He's in pursuit of only what pleases him, not his people.

788
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,880
So I think it's important to say all of that out loud and to recognize that that is what's

789
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,520
happening here.

790
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:55,680
Well I think in that story too, it makes sense because if he's a man after God's own heart,

791
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:02,400
we have to find some way to excuse his behavior and make it a little bit smaller in our heads.

792
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,800
So what's the easy thing to do?

793
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Make her into a bad person.

794
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Blame her.

795
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
Right.

796
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,840
But again, I read this story in four different versions and the reason that I did that is

797
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,920
because the ESV and the KJV tend to be a lot harder on women.

798
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,480
Especially the ESV was written with that intent.

799
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,880
And so I thought perhaps the reason that this gets preached the way that it does, perhaps

800
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,280
the reason that Bathsheba is always put out as like...

801
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,280
A put out?

802
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,280
Yeah.

803
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,840
As promiscuous or as in cahoots with David where she planned to kill off her husband

804
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,040
or as politically ambitious.

805
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,800
Or pregnant on purpose.

806
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,800
Exactly.

807
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,840
Maybe the reason for that is because that's how the ESV presents it or the KJV presents

808
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:50,840
it or something.

809
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,600
So I read it in all these versions and there were a couple of words that I'm like, yeah,

810
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,480
that does skew a little bit against her.

811
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,000
But for the most part, even those versions are saying the same thing.

812
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,560
They're all saying this was David's fault.

813
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,560
He's a moron.

814
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,560
Yeah.

815
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,960
But think about putting it into today's situation.

816
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:18,720
A young girl is showering in her house and a man of some kind of power happens to see

817
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:23,040
her through her windows, takes advantage of her.

818
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,400
She gets pregnant.

819
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,600
He murders her husband.

820
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,880
That wouldn't be a story that you're like, oh, but he's a good man.

821
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,880
That's not okay.

822
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,880
Right.

823
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,160
And it's important that we say none of this is okay.

824
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,240
It's important that we call that out, that we don't whitewash it and make it pretty.

825
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,220
Because here's what happens in the next chapter.

826
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:47,540
So chapter 12 is all about how this is David's fault.

827
00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:52,040
So pastors out there who are blaming Bathsheba for this story, apparently you've skipped

828
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,040
chapter 12.

829
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,240
I would love to introduce you to it.

830
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,400
Oh, Alyssa, get on your soapbox.

831
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,120
So it says, now this is where Veggie Tales really comes in.

832
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,720
So Brie, jump in with rubber duckies anytime.

833
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:12,640
We're going to get copyrighted by Veggie Tales at some point for sure.

834
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Copyright me for want want.

835
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,500
I feel like that's it.

836
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:21,360
So chapter 12, the Lord sent Nathan, who I believe is a prophet, to David.

837
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,360
Not your husband?

838
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,360
Not my husband.

839
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,960
He wasn't born in another life?

840
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:25,960
Not that I'm aware of.

841
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Nathan?

842
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,040
You have something to share?

843
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,280
When he came to him, he said, there were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other

844
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,280
poor.

845
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,400
The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, but the poor man had nothing except

846
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,000
one little yulam that he had bought.

847
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,480
He raised it and it grew up with him and his children.

848
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,620
It or it shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms.

849
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:51,280
It was like a daughter to him.

850
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,280
That's disgusting.

851
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,280
It's quite dramatic.

852
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,440
OK, he's just making a point.

853
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,160
Have you seen that TikTok of the guy that has a little dog and he eats out of the yogurt

854
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,760
and then the dog eats out of the yogurt and then he eats out of the yogurt and the dog

855
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,760
eats out of yogurt?

856
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,600
That's what I'm picturing.

857
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,700
All of the people listening just went, oh, yeah, it's nasty out there, people.

858
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:17,120
So then Forg says, now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from

859
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,960
taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him.

860
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,260
Instead, he took the yulam that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who

861
00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:27,820
had come to him.

862
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:31,440
So Nathan is putting together a story here, right?

863
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,440
He's talking like Jesus.

864
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,440
Yeah, it's a parable.

865
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:40,400
And David doesn't quite catch on.

866
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,000
It takes like emotional IQ is not common.

867
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,000
No.

868
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,680
Out there, you know, it takes a lot to be introspective.

869
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,920
And we don't know how much time again was between these two stories.

870
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,120
Like how much time is between David marrying Bathsheba and she has her baby to now?

871
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,120
We don't know.

872
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Was Nathan in town and he just walked across to the palace or was he, you know, a country

873
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,260
over and had to walk?

874
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:06,360
We don't know.

875
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:12,360
So it says that David was essentially furious at that man and told Nathan that that man

876
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,680
needed to die, to die, the rich man, because he had to pay for the lamb four times over

877
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,400
because how dare he take something that was someone else's when he had so much.

878
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,400
I have another song in my heart.

879
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,960
Okay, Bri, what's the song in your heart?

880
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,480
If I was a rich man.

881
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:34,440
You good? is it out of your heart now?

882
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,440
Yeah.

883
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,880
All right, good.

884
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:45,480
So then after David freaks out, you imagine him standing up from his throne and screaming

885
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,480
and whatever.

886
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,480
How dare he?

887
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,480
Nathan's like laughing over there.

888
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,840
He's like giggling, you know, whatever.

889
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,840
He's like, you idiot.

890
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,080
And Nathan said to David, I'm talking about you.

891
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,920
Stupid, stupid head.

892
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,760
You are the man in this story.

893
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,840
You have so many riches.

894
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,520
God gave you everything.

895
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,760
He gave you this palace.

896
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,980
You have all these wives.

897
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:09,000
You have all these kids.

898
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,000
You have everything you could possibly need.

899
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,760
You want for nothing.

900
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,040
And he says, and if that wasn't enough, God would have given you more.

901
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,920
So not only do you have everything, but if you had asked for more, if this wasn't enough

902
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,200
for you, God would have given it to you.

903
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:33,920
But instead you went and took something that was never yours to begin with.

904
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,360
You ripped apart a family.

905
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,980
You destroyed someone's life.

906
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:39,980
You destroyed people's life.

907
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:42,280
Her life, yes.

908
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,400
And David's like, well crap.

909
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,800
Well, I've been caught.

910
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,680
Probably this has been going on for a year at this point, would be my guess.

911
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,440
Like approximately a year, nine months to a year, right?

912
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,600
That this has been going on for him.

913
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:06,280
That he has been apparently not caring at all because we're not, he doesn't even notice

914
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,280
that the story's about him.

915
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,040
So he's not sitting there feeling guilt ridden.

916
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,560
No he's not staying up at night thinking about what he's done.

917
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,560
No.

918
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,560
He's moved on.

919
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,560
He's good.

920
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,560
Yeah, he's fine.

921
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,440
Nathan goes on to talk about how evil this behavior was.

922
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,320
He calls out all of David's actions.

923
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,620
He calls out the murder.

924
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:29,280
He calls out all of it, right?

925
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,920
Him forcing himself upon her.

926
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,720
All of the things.

927
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:38,320
Things that, again, he wouldn't have known other than that God told him.

928
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,200
Then he says, he tells David what's going to happen to him.

929
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,760
And he's basically like, you're screwed.

930
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,200
Out of your household are going to come the people that are going to take you down, blah,

931
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,200
blah, blah.

932
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,400
So David then repents.

933
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,800
He says, I sinned against the Lord.

934
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,200
I'm so sorry.

935
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,040
He falls on the ground.

936
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,640
And then Nathan says, God will take away your sin.

937
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,160
He'll forgive you of this.

938
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,680
But there are still consequences to your actions.

939
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:12,800
And this is where I struggle a lot with like Old Testament God and Old Testament stories.

940
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:21,280
Because what happens from here is the son that David and Bathsheba had dies.

941
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,600
Nathan says, your son is going to die.

942
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,600
And their son is pretty much immediately taken ill.

943
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,960
And seven days later, he passes away.

944
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,560
We don't know how old this kid is.

945
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Is he just born?

946
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,040
Is he two?

947
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,040
Like, we really don't know.

948
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,480
And imagine just the shattering of your heart in that story.

949
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:44,920
And why does God choose this as a punishment for David?

950
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,240
I don't have an answer for that.

951
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:53,000
I think it's just another way that David took someone else's life.

952
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,360
Yeah.

953
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,040
He took away so much already.

954
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,200
And sin has consequences, unfortunately.

955
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,880
And this was the consequence.

956
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:10,240
And I hold in my soul because I can't deal with these stories very well, particularly

957
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:11,240
because I have young kids.

958
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:13,000
I struggle with them a lot.

959
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:21,040
The only way that I can handle these stories is to say, when that child passed away, he

960
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,000
was immediately in Jesus's arms.

961
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,760
God had him.

962
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,080
God loved him.

963
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,720
And he's up there right now.

964
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,160
And maybe that's fortunate.

965
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,760
We don't know what his life would have looked like.

966
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,920
But instead, he was always, always loved and cherished by Jesus in heaven.

967
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,440
I think it's so hard for us here on earth to understand those things.

968
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:57,840
But God has such greater reasons and such a different supernatural love than we can

969
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,540
even comprehend.

970
00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:01,800
It's hard to wrap your mind around it.

971
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:02,800
It's a hard story.

972
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:09,400
And I think people really criticize Christianity for these stories because Old Testament God

973
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,400
is rough.

974
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,020
He's a little wrathful.

975
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:19,400
And the only way I can justify it is faith.

976
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,040
And that's hard to explain.

977
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,240
But I also fully understand why people struggle with this.

978
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,240
I struggle with this.

979
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,720
It's a hard story.

980
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,880
It's a hard story from every angle.

981
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,080
It's a bad story.

982
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,840
No one came out unscathed.

983
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:36,840
No.

984
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,160
But at the end of the day, it's easy to blame God in this scenario.

985
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:46,320
But like you said, David was the one that caused all of this hurt and pain.

986
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,400
It's easy to blame God for the hurt and pain in the world, but people are making choices.

987
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,360
Actions have consequences every time.

988
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,960
And you have to think, is this action worth the consequence?

989
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,720
With everything you do in life.

990
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:05,000
And that's true whether you believe in God or not.

991
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,280
As humans, our actions have consequences.

992
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,680
Whether there's a benevolent God out there or there's a spaghetti monster, all of your

993
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,160
actions have consequences.

994
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:21,400
Cool, I just got shot back to Scooby Doo or something.

995
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,800
So that's essentially the story of David and Bathsheba.

996
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:33,240
Your son passes away, the seven days between Nathan's prophecy and when he passes away,

997
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:34,640
David won't eat.

998
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,800
He's begging God to save his son.

999
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,920
And then once he passes away, David goes and it's as he tries to comfort Bathsheba, which

1000
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,720
I mean, I don't think I want a lot of comforting from him.

1001
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:56,080
Actually, I'd be like, if you don't get away from me right now, I'm going to, I can't say

1002
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,840
it because I think we'll get flagged.

1003
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,840
The rest of the story is still tough because verse, so this is chapter 12 verse 24 and

1004
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,660
second Samuel.

1005
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:08,400
And it says, then David comforted his wife Bathsheba and he went to her and made love

1006
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,400
to her.

1007
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,260
Um, no.

1008
00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:15,960
So again, it's, it doesn't end good here.

1009
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,960
Okay.

1010
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,120
Like it's still rough even at the end.

1011
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,480
This is a hard, hard story.

1012
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:29,560
Now she gets pregnant again and they do have another son and that son is Solomon, who very

1013
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,240
important story in the Bible, obviously.

1014
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:34,400
And we won't go into it because wow, that would take a long time.

1015
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:40,160
But at the end of it, yes, Bathsheba has another son.

1016
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,120
Yes, they stay married.

1017
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,000
It's just hard cause you, you're not there.

1018
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000
So you don't know.

1019
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Right.

1020
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,280
So like for you out there, men and women, maybe ask the other person, is that how you

1021
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,440
want to be comforted?

1022
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,840
Or is this just for me?

1023
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,440
And we can't, we don't know the words that were used.

1024
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,080
We don't know the connection that they had.

1025
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:11,520
We don't know who she was as a person.

1026
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,840
But again, just like the woman at the well story, I hope that we can redeem her story

1027
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:20,040
a little bit here because man, was she not the bad guy?

1028
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,200
She wasn't the bad guy.

1029
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,660
Well, she does become part of the lineage of Jesus.

1030
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:33,220
So just like the woman at the well who gets blamed for sleeping around, which is the same

1031
00:51:33,220 --> 00:51:35,360
thing that she's getting blamed for.

1032
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,440
It's the easiest thing to do to a woman, right?

1033
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,920
Blame her for being seductive.

1034
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:47,960
Just like Jesus never said to the woman at the well, go and sin no more or repent or

1035
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,600
any of those things.

1036
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,960
None of that is said to Bathsheba either.

1037
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:58,800
Now Nathan, the prophet could have gone to her as well and said, hey, stop bathing on

1038
00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:59,800
your roof.

1039
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,840
Like he could have, he didn't.

1040
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:08,480
He went to David and said, you're the worst.

1041
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:18,660
And so to blame her in this story is just short-sighted and sexist and a manipulation

1042
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:22,600
of the Bible that doesn't just border on blasphemous.

1043
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,800
It's like way into the blasphemous zone.

1044
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:32,860
I also think, side note, how interesting it is that Jesus's story, how he came to this

1045
00:52:32,860 --> 00:52:39,720
world is not through perfection, not through perfect people, through mistakes and imperfect

1046
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:41,200
people.

1047
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,480
He came into this world.

1048
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:50,880
Well, how incredible that this woman now, her story becomes that of Jesus's story.

1049
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,040
She's woven into that.

1050
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,660
Forgiveness and salvation.

1051
00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:57,640
Everything that was horrible about her life.

1052
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,920
I mean, her life sucked.

1053
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:09,800
Everything about that gets reversed and God gives her this incredible blessing.

1054
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:17,000
And now we tell her story and we hear her story and we've destroyed her story as a church.

1055
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,880
But I hope that you all who are listening can hear her story and now go out and tell

1056
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,640
it in a very different way because she withstood all of this.

1057
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,440
She survived.

1058
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:34,440
She would have been hashtag me too in a big, big way and she survived it.

1059
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:39,480
Her name is written down in the Bible and it's been passed down for generations and

1060
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,100
generations and generations.

1061
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:43,480
We're talking about her now.

1062
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,480
And she was Jesus's great, great, great, great, great whatever grandma.

1063
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:48,480
I mean, think of that.

1064
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,080
Like think of how utterly incredible.

1065
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:57,380
And she probably thought my life is going to amount to nothing.

1066
00:53:57,380 --> 00:54:00,760
Much like the woman at the well who was at the end.

1067
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,680
She was at the end of her rope.

1068
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,600
Bathsheba in this story is at the end.

1069
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,400
She just can't anymore.

1070
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,420
She's hit rock bottom and then she dug a hole and found a basement.

1071
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:15,840
But she keeps going because that's what women do.

1072
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,400
That's what we do.

1073
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,600
That's what we live for.

1074
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,800
Brie was about to sing another song if you didn't catch on to that.

1075
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,320
Now unfortunately we did not reference Veggie Tales as much as I had hoped we would this

1076
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,320
episode.

1077
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,800
Well, we can make a couple posts about rubber ducks.

1078
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,800
Oh good.

1079
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,400
And if you listen you'll get it.

1080
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,880
If you've seen Veggie Tales you might get it.

1081
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,360
I feel like it's such an integral part of our childhood.

1082
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,400
And I don't know if it was for everyone else, but if it wasn't, go back guys.

1083
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,800
It's pretty solid.

1084
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,680
There's always time to go back.

1085
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,440
So next week we are going to talk about this story some more.

1086
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:02,480
We're going to dive into some different analyses of it and we're going to have a chat with

1087
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:09,800
our best friends, Marg, Beth, and others.

1088
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,800
I've already started doing some of the research and I'm excited to do some more and I'm going

1089
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,600
to make Brie do some of it also.

1090
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,520
Gee I love research.

1091
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:20,920
I've always said that.

1092
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,920
She's always said that.

1093
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,680
Alright Brie, pick a state we should call out for people to listen in.

1094
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,360
Oh have we already done New Hampshire?

1095
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,000
I don't think so.

1096
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,320
I have a question for you out there.

1097
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,640
I may have already said this, but quite frankly I black out all the time.

1098
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,080
New Hampshire, are you a state?

1099
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,960
I have never met anyone from New Hampshire.

1100
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,520
I'm pretty sure it's like some government conspiracy.

1101
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,680
Alright, people of New Hampshire.

1102
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,440
I need you to listen.

1103
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,600
I need you to listen to this podcast so I can tell you're real.

1104
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Now I gotta go in and see if we have anybody in New Hampshire.

1105
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:07,240
Alright, well we'll see you all next week where we may be a little less sad about our

1106
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:08,240
lack of Disneying.

1107
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:13,720
I may be a little more rested, but I may have two glasses of wine next time.

1108
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:15,600
We'll bring the whole bottle next time.

1109
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,480
You should also bring a whole bottle.

1110
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,760
I know this comes out at 10 o'clock in the morning, but like you can listen to it at

1111
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,080
10 o'clock at night.

1112
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,160
Or you can have a bottle of wine at 10 o'clock in the morning.

1113
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,360
We've all heard of mimosas.

1114
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,520
It's just day drinking, but made acceptable.

1115
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,960
Alright, we'll see you all then.

1116
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,960
I love you.

1117
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:35,960
And good night.

1118
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:52,840
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