1 00:00:00,066 --> 00:00:06,268 Hello and welcome to the latest episode of iGaming Daily and the second day at SPC Summit in Lisbon 2 00:00:06,689 --> 00:00:13,111 and it's been an interesting few days. I'm joined by Christian Lee, the business journalist for 3 00:00:13,291 --> 00:00:19,114 SPC writer for Gambling TV and we've got Kieran O'Connor, the business journalist for Insider 4 00:00:19,134 --> 00:00:23,056 Sport and payment expert. How are you both doing today, Christian? Yeah, very good, thank you. 5 00:00:23,216 --> 00:00:26,497 Nice to meet my debut at iGaming Daily as well. Oh yeah, it is your debut today, isn't it? 6 00:00:26,962 --> 00:00:30,324 Oh, well you've done some introduction work for some of the Path to Lisbon's, but yeah, 7 00:00:30,344 --> 00:00:34,808 it's actually, I didn't realise you were the first one. First time in person. What a venue 8 00:00:34,848 --> 00:00:41,093 to do it as well, at SBC Summer Lisbon. It is, it's a grand venue. It's my legs are sore. 9 00:00:41,193 --> 00:00:48,099 It's the second day, my legs are sore. But it has been ridiculously good. Kieran, how are 10 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:53,374 you doing? You okay? Yeah, just about recovered from the sunburn. I... picked up at the football 11 00:00:53,414 --> 00:00:58,356 tournament on Monday. But yeah, I'm doing fantastic. It's been a really good week so far and just 12 00:00:58,376 --> 00:01:02,478 sort of looking forward to everything we've got ahead. Yeah, I must admit. I didn't realise 13 00:01:02,498 --> 00:01:06,580 how much you picked up the sun until we saw you in the evening and you just came out like 14 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,542 a red tomato, man. Like my head's quite burnt because I shaved my head beforehand and I've 15 00:01:11,602 --> 00:01:15,343 never really, I never really know how to maintain a bald head because I never really have one. 16 00:01:15,804 --> 00:01:21,250 But I've got a red scalp, but you were something else. Yeah, like a lobster. Perfect. So I've 17 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:25,871 got you both on today because you've been somewhere and you watched something which I just didn't 18 00:01:25,891 --> 00:01:30,272 have time to go and see and it was the Tony Hawk keynote. So I'm insanely jealous. So we're 19 00:01:30,292 --> 00:01:35,534 going to talk about that. But before we do, just a shout out to our main supporter of the 20 00:01:35,674 --> 00:01:40,035 iGaming Daily podcast and that is OptiMove, the number one CRM marketing solution for the 21 00:01:40,115 --> 00:01:45,116 iGaming market. Listeners out there, you can still sign up for OptiMove and claim your first 22 00:01:45,156 --> 00:01:50,774 month by visiting OptiMove.com forward slash SBC as per usual. I will leave the links in 23 00:01:50,794 --> 00:01:59,081 the description below. So, Tony Hawk, I didn't get to go, so it's now up to you two to make 24 00:01:59,121 --> 00:02:05,386 me feel like I was sat there. So, Kieran, we'll start with you. What did Tony Hawk have to 25 00:02:05,426 --> 00:02:11,151 say? Before that, I just wanted to sort of put a notice in about the venue. It was incredible 26 00:02:11,311 --> 00:02:16,295 to be fair. Oh, the Superstage? Absolutely huge. Everyone's done a great job on that. They even 27 00:02:16,355 --> 00:02:20,995 had like little video roles playing before he come on. when he come on showing like little 28 00:02:21,015 --> 00:02:27,440 clips from his career. Yeah, I did an interview with Clever Advertising there yesterday and 29 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,664 it was on the stage and the setup that we went through backstage, the backstage looks just 30 00:02:31,704 --> 00:02:37,729 as grand as I mean and like we're getting mic'd up and there's professional equipment and then 31 00:02:37,749 --> 00:02:40,991 you had the studio where they were like cutting to us and when I saw the footage at the end 32 00:02:41,071 --> 00:02:46,136 I was like this could be like a news channel like Parkinson's-esque, like it's just so grand 33 00:02:46,156 --> 00:02:52,278 in every scale. We're going. So Tony Hawk, what a man. I mean, I don't know about you, Christian, 34 00:02:52,318 --> 00:02:57,140 but for me, he's sort of been, always been there in my youth. I've never been a skater from 35 00:02:57,580 --> 00:03:01,101 Manchester, from Lee. I don't think many skaters come from Lee. I don't think I have a skate 36 00:03:01,141 --> 00:03:05,802 park. But I think they even mentioned that, even though I'm not a skater, and a lot of 37 00:03:05,822 --> 00:03:09,943 people in that room were skaters, they were all there to see him because of his brand and 38 00:03:09,963 --> 00:03:15,065 who he is. Yeah, I think Laurie Wood said it herself on the stage that if you say to anyone 39 00:03:15,345 --> 00:03:19,342 the word skating, the first one that will come back is Tony Hawk. I'm the same as Ciaran, 40 00:03:19,362 --> 00:03:24,427 that I've never been a skater. That's not something that's crossed my mind, but I was always aware 41 00:03:24,447 --> 00:03:30,552 of Tony Hawk. I played the Tony Hawk video games. So he's just someone that cuts across, across 42 00:03:31,073 --> 00:03:35,897 popular culture beyond the skateboarding industry. I'm gonna jump in here, because you two are 43 00:03:35,917 --> 00:03:39,581 saying you were skateboarders. Back when I was younger, I actually got into skateboarding 44 00:03:39,621 --> 00:03:43,784 because of the Tony Hawk games. Like, I'm not gonna say I'm Tony Hawk-like level, because 45 00:03:44,105 --> 00:03:50,083 nah, not a chance. But like he got me into it and I did it for about a year or two and he 46 00:03:50,143 --> 00:03:53,924 was the main influence of why I got into skating. And then I got introduced to like a Don of 47 00:03:53,964 --> 00:03:57,205 Kebab and I thought I'm gonna get on the skateboard again. Oh yeah it's interesting you say that. 48 00:03:57,505 --> 00:04:03,546 So first of all it was presented by Laura Woods as well did a fantastic job. I know a massive 49 00:04:03,586 --> 00:04:08,768 name. They first talked about how he got into skating and I picked out a quote sat there. 50 00:04:09,828 --> 00:04:15,426 He said, I want to fly, how do I do that? And he said that when he was... about two years 51 00:04:15,466 --> 00:04:19,727 into skating and he first went to his first skate park and he saw all these like older 52 00:04:19,747 --> 00:04:25,169 kids going up these ramps and flying off. So I thought that was quite interesting and then 53 00:04:25,189 --> 00:04:31,650 what followed after that was a story about how he then attempted it himself and because of 54 00:04:31,930 --> 00:04:38,872 he fell off he said, he actually became unconscious and lost a few teeth but that didn't stop him 55 00:04:38,913 --> 00:04:45,211 and he never looked back. So yeah. imagine how different the world would be if after that 56 00:04:45,251 --> 00:04:50,514 fall, he decided not to skate. Like what would have happened, the games, everything that goes 57 00:04:50,534 --> 00:04:54,496 alongside it. And that's the thing Tony Hawk's done, and as great as a skateboarder he is, 58 00:04:54,536 --> 00:04:59,579 because he is good and he has that unusual style to skateboarding compared to how skateboarders 59 00:04:59,699 --> 00:05:05,602 are perceived. It is all about the brand with him. And I think Kieran, we were talking beforehand, 60 00:05:05,622 --> 00:05:09,384 you said like, he doesn't really want that kind of fame and to be known for that stuff, but 61 00:05:09,864 --> 00:05:15,262 there's no hiding behind it. He's had... hit successful games from Tony Hawk's projects, 62 00:05:15,703 --> 00:05:20,724 Underground 1 to all the way up to like Project 9. I think that was the last one or something 63 00:05:20,744 --> 00:05:28,086 like that. And films, he's been in some great films as well. And he did set a trend and kind 64 00:05:28,146 --> 00:05:35,328 of a generation like he's known for that late 90s, early noughties for me is that kind of 65 00:05:36,068 --> 00:05:38,249 post punk, maybe like American alternative 66 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:44,651 something I'll always remember that era for. And that's a testament to the brand that he's 67 00:05:44,691 --> 00:05:49,314 built. Did he speak much about kind of that brand? Yeah, so it's interesting you say, he 68 00:05:49,354 --> 00:05:54,137 did come out and say, it was never, he never aspired to have fame or fortune, but it obviously 69 00:05:54,177 --> 00:05:59,920 follows when you're so talented like he is. But yeah, he spoke about his branding and as 70 00:06:00,020 --> 00:06:06,404 always, he said he actually beat quite a bit of his success to a bit of luck, that's always 71 00:06:06,424 --> 00:06:13,751 the case. But it's interesting because He never actually tried to build a personal brand. He 72 00:06:13,791 --> 00:06:19,153 never went out and said, he never got a team of marketers and said, I wanna build a personal 73 00:06:19,173 --> 00:06:24,415 brand, how are we gonna do it? Things just sort of fell in line. I don't know if you heard, 74 00:06:24,435 --> 00:06:29,357 Christian, but the video games, he actually tried to do that on his own at first, before 75 00:06:29,377 --> 00:06:33,319 he got approached by, I think it was Activision, was it? Yeah, I heard that about Activision. 76 00:06:34,219 --> 00:06:39,061 I think as well, one thing that we'll talk about later on in the podcast is authenticity. And... 77 00:06:39,586 --> 00:06:44,027 One thing I noticed with the different brands that he's built, he was focused on being authentic. 78 00:06:44,087 --> 00:06:49,748 So he created a clothing brand that was focused on skating and what he thought was missing 79 00:06:49,788 --> 00:06:54,970 from the clothing that was for skating already. The same with shoe brand in the same nature. 80 00:06:55,570 --> 00:07:00,151 And also near the end, he mentioned with the game that when it was first being developed, 81 00:07:00,691 --> 00:07:05,853 they were pushing to try represent skateboard as like an extreme sport and make it more extreme 82 00:07:05,873 --> 00:07:11,335 in the game than in real life. Whereas he pushed back. and wanted it more to be an accurate 83 00:07:11,815 --> 00:07:17,860 representation of skateboarding, I guess, to help push the sport further and get more people 84 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:24,684 into it. Yeah, I feel like maybe, I don't know, this is maybe who's the developers for the 85 00:07:24,725 --> 00:07:28,948 later games. I feel like that realism kind of went away from the Tony Hawk games. I always 86 00:07:28,968 --> 00:07:32,890 remember a meme and it was like, I think someone might have modded the game or something, but 87 00:07:32,910 --> 00:07:38,570 it was like Jesus coming out of like the tomb on a skateboard with like. Creed song, Take 88 00:07:38,590 --> 00:07:44,095 Me Higher on it and stuff. But I mean, again, people still use that game in different mediums 89 00:07:44,635 --> 00:07:48,518 to this day and again, testament to him. I'm not sure, like I said, I wasn't in there so 90 00:07:48,538 --> 00:07:53,563 I do want to ask yous, did he talk anything about DraftKings and kind of the promotion 91 00:07:53,583 --> 00:07:58,066 stuff that he did with them? The practice safe bet stuff? He actually didn't talk about that. 92 00:07:58,146 --> 00:08:03,130 I don't know if he was meant to maybe. But Laura Woods might not have got that memo, but he 93 00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:07,754 didn't talk about that. It was a lot about his early life as we said growing up. his older 94 00:08:07,774 --> 00:08:12,898 brother was a big influence on him. He actually told us about the story when he first turned 95 00:08:12,938 --> 00:08:18,123 pro. Okay. Now you'd think, oh he got signed to a contract. What actually happened was he 96 00:08:18,143 --> 00:08:25,269 was 14. Mm-hmm. He went to a skating competition in his local park and ticked a box. He had 97 00:08:25,329 --> 00:08:30,333 two choices, one was amateur, one was pro. Mm-hmm. He just ticked a box saying he's pro. And that's 98 00:08:30,353 --> 00:08:35,277 how he turned pro. And he performed or took part in a competition where the winning... 99 00:08:35,702 --> 00:08:40,963 the champion would get a hundred dollars, he'd come forth. So yeah, it's quite an interesting 100 00:08:41,043 --> 00:08:45,364 story. Kind of wish I could just do that in life. It would be nice. Do I want to be a millionaire? 101 00:08:45,404 --> 00:08:50,506 Yep, I'll take that box. Kristin, what was kind of the highlight for you then in this talk? 102 00:08:50,666 --> 00:08:54,187 I think the main thing I took away was, as I mentioned before, the authenticity when it 103 00:08:54,807 --> 00:08:59,729 comes around creating a brand and also working with brands. So one of the questions was regarding 104 00:08:59,789 --> 00:09:05,282 how brands across different industries can choose. what athletes are influencing general to work 105 00:09:05,302 --> 00:09:11,065 with. And he really pushed and emphasized the need for that influencer slash athlete to be 106 00:09:11,225 --> 00:09:16,607 authentic and also to believe in the brand's vision. So I think sometimes when you look 107 00:09:16,687 --> 00:09:22,230 at some brand ambassadors that come up, not just in gaming, but across different industries, 108 00:09:22,690 --> 00:09:28,012 sometimes you can tell when the person's been chosen for just their name rather than, because 109 00:09:28,052 --> 00:09:32,394 it's something they believe in and they really want to be a part of. So that was. the main 110 00:09:32,434 --> 00:09:35,376 thing that I took from what you were saying. I mean, that's kind of a key point because 111 00:09:35,396 --> 00:09:39,619 we've seen it, we've seen it probably at this event, but definitely within the iGaming space, 112 00:09:40,419 --> 00:09:45,543 the amount of influencers are coming into the space. And there's some question marks. I mean, 113 00:09:46,484 --> 00:09:52,548 how responsible is it? Wait and see, I'm probably in the mindset of, they don't know their audience. 114 00:09:52,648 --> 00:09:57,091 They see dollar signs, euro signs, pound signs, wherever they are in the world and think, it's 115 00:09:57,131 --> 00:10:01,986 a good revenue stream, but know your brand, know your audience. and you have to be responsible 116 00:10:02,006 --> 00:10:06,967 with it. But it's something that's coming into this sector a lot more now, away from just 117 00:10:07,027 --> 00:10:12,249 normal advertising of like having a celebrity endorse like Ben GM do all the time. Like these 118 00:10:12,309 --> 00:10:19,050 social influencers are the new movie star influencers in a way, because everyone digests news or 119 00:10:19,611 --> 00:10:23,772 any kind of form of media via like YouTube shorts or TikToks or Instagram reels and stuff like 120 00:10:23,792 --> 00:10:30,553 that. Yeah, and it's not to say, I mean, Tony Hawk, that advice that he gave is really important. 121 00:10:30,894 --> 00:10:35,996 laughing. But it's also not to say that just by picking a big name, you won't get the reach 122 00:10:36,016 --> 00:10:40,258 that you're looking for. You probably will. If you pick the most up and coming influencer 123 00:10:40,298 --> 00:10:46,721 and put him on whatever product it is you want to sell, it probably is going to work. But 124 00:10:46,781 --> 00:10:52,024 as you said, there is some moral dilemmas there from both the advertisers. There's some responsible 125 00:10:52,044 --> 00:10:55,285 gaming side of things. Yeah. Like everything, everything that people do know is responsible 126 00:10:55,305 --> 00:10:59,896 gambling. And it has to be the forefront safe, but it has to be the forefront of everyone's 127 00:10:59,916 --> 00:11:04,340 mind. And that comes from the marketing side of things from the, even the mechanics that 128 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,543 you meet within slot games, um, any form of like better in order to data, you go through 129 00:11:09,583 --> 00:11:15,107 how you utilize that data. Everything has to be. Play protection, responsible, gamble, moving 130 00:11:15,147 --> 00:11:19,691 forward. Um, we're reaching the half point, halftime point of this show. I w I'd love to 131 00:11:19,711 --> 00:11:22,513 talk about Tony Hartmore, but there has been other things that have been happening at the 132 00:11:22,533 --> 00:11:25,643 event. So we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, Christian and Kieran, 133 00:11:25,703 --> 00:11:29,846 I'm going to ask you what you've been up to the previous day, because we are on the second 134 00:11:29,866 --> 00:11:32,849 day for the listeners, where this is recorded on Wednesday, you'll listen to some Thursday, 135 00:11:33,529 --> 00:11:39,214 and what you've got prepared for the rest of the week. So join us back in a few minutes. 136 00:11:39,574 --> 00:11:43,077 Welcome back. So like I said, we're moving on from Tony Hawk. We're going to talk about what 137 00:11:43,097 --> 00:11:47,121 you've been up to at the event and what you've got in store for the rest of the week ahead. 138 00:11:47,201 --> 00:11:51,864 So Kieran, not Kieran, sorry, Christian, I'm going to come to you because this is not only, 139 00:11:51,985 --> 00:11:57,067 not only is your debut, on the iGaming Daily podcast, but it's your debut at an SBC or even 140 00:11:57,087 --> 00:12:01,669 just an industry event. How are you finding it? It is, yeah. To be honest, I didn't know 141 00:12:01,829 --> 00:12:06,812 what to expect at all and it sort of exceeded my expectations completely. As James says, 142 00:12:06,832 --> 00:12:11,834 it's my first industry event altogether and just to see the scale of, I think we've got 143 00:12:12,014 --> 00:12:16,276 four or five different conference halls. When you see the stands, some of the operators and 144 00:12:16,316 --> 00:12:22,919 suppliers have come up with, it's crazy to think. just to see the scale and also the time and 145 00:12:22,939 --> 00:12:26,561 effort that's gone into making them stands. Most of it is a sensory overload. Certainly 146 00:12:26,682 --> 00:12:33,646 the casino floor is insane. And in fact, I went to... Whose stand was it now? Delosport have 147 00:12:33,886 --> 00:12:39,609 an incredibly vibrant red and orange stand and Databets is just so sleek and they've got esports 148 00:12:39,629 --> 00:12:43,151 streamers. They're playing Counter-Strike on that stand. And if I wasn't working, I'd be 149 00:12:43,632 --> 00:12:46,413 like... She said to me like, Oh, do you want to come play a big part of the competition? 150 00:12:47,034 --> 00:12:50,375 I said like, I'll be honest, it's a disadvantage for everyone else because I will beat you all 151 00:12:50,415 --> 00:12:56,378 at Counter-Strike, but I just really wanted to jump on it. But yeah, this event from, even 152 00:12:56,398 --> 00:13:02,000 from Barcelona last year is insane. My legs are sore already, but I mean, I've not even 153 00:13:02,020 --> 00:13:05,962 had time to really digest the conference stuff and I'll use have been. So I've been doing 154 00:13:05,982 --> 00:13:12,265 interviews since I've got here. But any interesting panels that you've been on, Kieran? Yeah, I've 155 00:13:12,285 --> 00:13:17,184 been on a few actually. Yesterday, one that I'd pick out is an article we just put out 156 00:13:17,224 --> 00:13:21,366 on Payment Expert this afternoon, which was on open banking and how that fits into the 157 00:13:21,386 --> 00:13:25,368 gambling industry and the gambling sector. But there's some really interesting quotes though 158 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:30,611 and it was chaired by Payment Expert's editor himself, Ted Ormeclay, who did a fantastic 159 00:13:30,651 --> 00:13:35,814 job and moderated the panel. Big shout out to Ted there. Well done, Ted. But it was really 160 00:13:35,854 --> 00:13:41,057 fantastic. There were some really good quotes and it got a bit, it got, when I went into 161 00:13:41,097 --> 00:13:46,619 it, I thought Some of these panels, they give quite basic answers. You sort of know what 162 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:51,901 they're already gonna say. I'll just tell you one quote, what we've used for the headline 163 00:13:52,482 --> 00:13:59,244 is that an operator has said that open banking is actually a nuisance. So that sort of tells 164 00:13:59,264 --> 00:14:03,826 you how that article goes, but it's very, very interesting. Another interesting thing that 165 00:14:03,846 --> 00:14:09,348 I've done at this event is interviewed in this room that we're in now. Josh Sparks from LifeScore. 166 00:14:10,029 --> 00:14:16,387 We talked about horse racing. how it has become stagnant and needs to sort of embrace innovation. 167 00:14:17,167 --> 00:14:21,208 So we talked about that quite some length and that was really interesting, yeah. Mason Hockenberry 168 00:14:21,228 --> 00:14:24,249 Yeah, I know he was on a panel session, he's going to be on a panel session this week or 169 00:14:24,269 --> 00:14:28,870 he's already been on one on that matter. And it was, it's always been an interesting conversation 170 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:34,532 because certainly in the UK horse racing was probably the biggest sport for betting. I think 171 00:14:34,552 --> 00:14:39,073 it's just been eclipsed by football now. But it's still, it's still a dominant force for 172 00:14:39,093 --> 00:14:44,267 the UK market. But yeah, it's on a it is on a decline and it does kind of need to revitalise 173 00:14:44,307 --> 00:14:48,349 itself for the modern, modern day audience. And it'd be interesting to hear that interview. 174 00:14:48,449 --> 00:14:54,871 You'll hear it on, it'll be on payment expert in the next few weeks or so. Yeah. So keep 175 00:14:54,891 --> 00:15:00,474 an eye out for that. Keep an eye out for that on YouTube as well. Christian, you've, you've 176 00:15:00,514 --> 00:15:03,955 had a mixture of things to do, cause obviously you've been working with me on some of the 177 00:15:03,975 --> 00:15:08,437 multimedia stuff as well. But also I wanted you to kind of digest some of the content that 178 00:15:08,477 --> 00:15:13,727 was happening here because you're here and what better place to kind of understand the industry 179 00:15:14,207 --> 00:15:18,309 and kind of soak up some of the knowledge in there. So give us a glimpse of what you've 180 00:15:18,329 --> 00:15:22,511 been up to. Yeah, it's definitely been a crash course in behind the scenes of everything that 181 00:15:22,531 --> 00:15:26,233 goes on with the media side. I think coming back to some of the things we discussed in 182 00:15:26,253 --> 00:15:31,275 the first half, I was actually at a panel that was looking at how the regulations around social 183 00:15:31,355 --> 00:15:38,158 influences and whose responsibility it is to actually regulate how operators use. social 184 00:15:38,278 --> 00:15:43,921 influences. I think the consensus among the panellists, which included people from Entain 185 00:15:43,961 --> 00:15:51,165 was that ultimately it should be a synergy between operators, the influencers themselves and the 186 00:15:51,246 --> 00:15:55,788 regulators. But at the first point of call is always the operators because they're the people 187 00:15:55,808 --> 00:16:02,892 who are choosing to use the influencers, choosing to advertise their content. I think it's mainly 188 00:16:02,912 --> 00:16:08,589 about educating the people they work with. So they understand the responsible gaming implications 189 00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:16,375 of what they're promoting and how they should do that in a way that doesn't endanger the 190 00:16:16,415 --> 00:16:23,161 people who are watching their content and choosing to then go on and play with the company. Perfect. 191 00:16:23,601 --> 00:16:26,884 And we're going to round off the podcast soon, but we've just talked about what you've been 192 00:16:26,904 --> 00:16:32,088 up to. What have you got in store now for the remainder of today and tomorrow as well? I'm 193 00:16:32,228 --> 00:16:37,115 actually going to the horse race in... panel that you mentioned and who came and spoke to 194 00:16:37,155 --> 00:16:40,516 yesterday. So I'm excited for that one. I thought you were going to say you're going to go to 195 00:16:40,536 --> 00:16:43,677 the horse races. I was like, where? Yeah. The horse races in Portugal. That would be nice. 196 00:16:45,058 --> 00:16:48,519 I don't think it's nearly paid here. So I don't have enough money to go horse racing yet. But 197 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:54,382 yeah, that should be a really interesting one. We've covered a fair bit on gambling TV about 198 00:16:54,582 --> 00:16:59,744 some of the issues that are going on, especially regarding the racing levy that's currently 199 00:16:59,764 --> 00:17:03,906 needs to be sorted out. So it'll be interesting to see what they have to say. and what they 200 00:17:03,926 --> 00:17:07,308 think the future is. They'll probably say further consultations like we've had for the past 12 201 00:17:07,328 --> 00:17:13,851 months. Kieran? So I've got a payments panel in around a few, I think I've got a few hours. 202 00:17:13,871 --> 00:17:18,594 I've got some time to write up some of the stuff that I've already seen. And also the Tony Hawk 203 00:17:18,774 --> 00:17:22,936 article, which will be coming out inside of sport this afternoon, hopefully. And then I've 204 00:17:22,976 --> 00:17:29,900 got a sports integrity panel, which is always interesting. We'll see what we can get out 205 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:34,026 of that. And yeah, it should be good. Perfect. Now you've mentioned you're getting the article 206 00:17:34,046 --> 00:17:37,870 out tonight, but I'll promise the listeners, because this is going out tomorrow, going out 207 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:41,512 on Thursday for the listeners, I'll make sure I'll link the article into the description 208 00:17:41,573 --> 00:17:45,536 and any of the write ups that you do as well. Yeah. But that's all we've got time for today 209 00:17:45,576 --> 00:17:50,179 because we're busy, busy. I'm gonna jump to the conference room floor again, because there's 210 00:17:50,199 --> 00:17:54,043 a lot more premiums to produce and make sure they're running smoothly. You're all going 211 00:17:54,063 --> 00:17:57,225 to panel sessions. Have a great rest of the event. Thank you for joining us on I Give Me 212 00:17:57,245 --> 00:18:01,288 A Day Today. Christian, great debut. Well done. Yeah, thank you very much. Well done, Kieran. 213 00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:08,472 I'm always trying. No, good stuff. Have a great rest of your week and to the listeners out 214 00:18:08,492 --> 00:18:13,976 there, make sure you tune in tomorrow for the penultimate episode of iGaming Daily. No, not 215 00:18:13,996 --> 00:18:18,718 the penultimate, it'll be the final episode, yeah? The final from Lisbon. Yeah, penultimate 216 00:18:18,798 --> 00:18:23,061 is the one before the final. This is the penultimate one, listeners. Tune in tomorrow for the final 217 00:18:23,081 --> 00:18:28,003 episode, live at SBC Summit at Lisbon. Until then, see you soon.