David A Nicolai: Ilike to turn the program over here to talk with Dr Debalin Sarangi a little bit.
David A Nicolai: Debalin is going to be heading out to the Lambert in western Minnesota area here a little bit this morning.
David A Nicolai: Later, after the program so we wanted to go with him first and then we certainly have had an opportunity here.
David A Nicolai: For early season, we grow to be a little bit slower than we normally would expect it to be.
David A Nicolai: You know, we have noticed a lot of fields that are still looking clean because we've had tillage fairly recently.
David A Nicolai: So we're kind of using that old adage I guess that three legged stool of in this case, maybe inadvertently.
David A Nicolai: of going with it with the tillage late in the season and we sometimes talk about that or a giant ragweed and other things.
David A Nicolai: But it seems to be the case, but I guess we shouldn't be fooled with a standpoint that that's going to last.
David A Nicolai: season long here will still need effective pre emergent herbicides, as we go forward, so I know that you've been thinking about this and writing about this and we'll talk about a crop news here a little bit later.
David A Nicolai: But what are your recommendations going forward here in terms of that we've got corn up in a lot of places some places spiking through.
David A Nicolai: A lot of places of soybeans maybe cracking a little bit, but by and large, a lot of areas, so I have not yet emerged, so your thoughts, a little bit on early season, we control Devlin.
Debalin Sarangi: yeah, thank you for inviting me today so yeah you wish, you wish, show that we will be a little slow in growing but.
Debalin Sarangi: yeah you know, like there are multiple species yeah some of them are coming little late, but some of them are already up and another thing I have seen, which is very important thing I want to mention here.
Debalin Sarangi: Like with all the moisture in the soil, if you are doing a tillage sometimes some of the weeds that you were like doing tillage and thinking like they will get you will get rid of them.
Debalin Sarangi: They get reestablish in the soil with the moisture so last week I wish I can share that picture here so last week I was in.
Debalin Sarangi: Rosemount area and I found the farmer did tillage just like a couple days back and the World Cup grass and some fox tail those weeds are getting reestablished with all the moisture and things so.
Debalin Sarangi: This is something really important thing, and again like I agree with you there like.
Debalin Sarangi: Pre herbicide is really important, and still now we are talking about yes please think about pre herbicide because that's one of the herbicide will give you the strong foundation, and then you can come back with your post emergence Program.
Debalin Sarangi: So, but again like this year, we are also talking about applying post emergence little early I mean little early in the sense of.
Debalin Sarangi: Planting dates, so we are already in late may early June, and if we do our planning now if we put our pre, then we should come back with our post, maybe in.
Debalin Sarangi: Two weeks or 14 days time, because if we wait too long, there will be a lot of risk because someone with all the my share some of the weeds will grow bigger so you cannot control with your post program and also some of the herbicide, for example, flixster.
Debalin Sarangi: You will have more carry over injury chances in next year if you apply that very late like let's say mid July, or something so we are talking about early post this year in respect to the planting dates.
David A Nicolai: But you know, in the situation, and then we talk about making our we control efforts if you know that you have history of water ham, say, for example.
David A Nicolai: We know that from a biology standpoint that water ham can certainly emerge basically now if it hasn't already all the way through August and probably will it in this situation.
David A Nicolai: Any comments about layering we've talked about that, for years, but I think it's still important in terms of making a pre option here, but then coming back a little bit later on, so if you're using like a group.
David A Nicolai: herbicide in those situations with that keep that in the back of your mind and that's right if you have a weed map and no have knowledge of that I think that's certainly important, I don't know any comments you want to have there.
Debalin Sarangi: yeah so like small seed and broad leaves weeds like watch her handbag lambs quarters can be controlled really well with group 15 or close to might herbicide, for example.
Debalin Sarangi: you're like dual to magnums into a bond sorry outlook i'm not I’m sorry my outlook So those are the herbicide you can definitely use starting from.
Debalin Sarangi: pretty much ends and some of them up to v3 stage, some of them up to even are on stage so.
Debalin Sarangi: So check your level, but if you can layer those herbicides, you will get a little bit of prolonged control so, for example, you are applying your pre now end of May, so you may get two weeks to three weeks control of.
Debalin Sarangi: Your water hand from your pre now so maybe in like 28th of June, you spray your post images side by side and you can't mix that with.
Debalin Sarangi: One of those grew 1500 besides, then he will get another month of control so basically we are talking about around July 15 until July July 15 will have a good control of water him.
Debalin Sarangi: And after that will rely on our service to close the canopy So hopefully by that time, most of the canopy will be closed, or at least like 80% of the canopy will be closed by that time so that.
Debalin Sarangi: Water will not emerge that much so, but again yeah be careful, because we are just into the water him season, because water and start emerging and let me.
Debalin Sarangi: and pick emergence period is kind of in mid June and then it's slow down but still, there is a like fact tell you know that, in the germination and that we can go on until early August or mid August, depending on the moisture temperature so that's why the learning is very important.
David A Nicolai: I’m going to share with the audience and allowed to talk through this a little bit because we have part of this program the latest as a podcast but this afternoon at about two o'clock those of you that are are.
David A Nicolai: In a situation where you subscribe to Minnesota crop news, or if you haven't this is kind of a shameless plug for that.
David A Nicolai: Please do, but if you Google and look for that there's an article that's coming out we're talking about targeting applications.
David A Nicolai: But we also talk about the exponential rate and I just wanted to briefly bring up here for people on their screen and situations with that a little bit about the timing, because we're going to assume get into this early.
David A Nicolai: Post emergence situations with that and if we We talk a little bit about in Minnesota just to remind people once again here, there were some significant changes.
David A Nicolai: When we talk about the dye combat trade, we do have a cut off here if you if that's your goal on application for early season posts emergence no application.
David A Nicolai: can be made on electric talking about extend to Max and then junior tournaments etc.
David A Nicolai: made south of interstate 94 after June 12 we're on June 1 on North of interstate 94 then he uses prohibited after June 30 at 2022 here.
David A Nicolai: Which is new, for this year, the other thing, of course, is a temperature there's a cut off here if the air temperature in the field is that 85 degrees or above or predicted to be that by the national weather service and, at the start of application that's another indication as well.
David A Nicolai: On enlist one and then let's do all we kind of went back and forth through the cropping seas of the winter season here in terms of.
David A Nicolai: What we could do geographically but things have been sorted out back again in here in Minnesota so on both of those products we really needed talk about small weeds Devlin.
David A Nicolai: Less than six inches and car no larger than then va with that you can use drop nozzles same thing, though, and soybeans when we just small.
David A Nicolai: You know less than six inches and then there are some applications should have if you're going to make to have a minimum of at least 12 days in between with that any comments about those products so you've had experience with some of those in Nebraska and so forth, as well.
Debalin Sarangi: yeah I mean we are using this product for our research trial since last year in Minnesota to so.
Debalin Sarangi: With die kamba product again out say Be careful you're using the right nozzle, and that is giving course enough droplets so that you don't.
Debalin Sarangi: Like drift on your neighbors field and also be careful about the wind and temperature and all those factors and.
Debalin Sarangi: same thing with a list, but to four days a little bit better in the sense of drip compared to Decker.
Debalin Sarangi: But still, it is also a growth regulator, so you have to be careful when you are spraying to 40 or die can buy either, and another thing is, we have seen those growth regulators, they works best if you.
Debalin Sarangi: combine that with Roundup or glyphosate type product, because then you are providing two sites of action instead of relying on one maybe two and if you if you have opportunity or, if you have.
Debalin Sarangi: Flexibility maybe use some priests like group 15 herbicide we talked about in the tank mix, so that you get really good weed control.
Debalin Sarangi: kind of season long weed control and again like it is very important to spray them.
Debalin Sarangi: Like really smaller we do some of the label says less than six inch but we don't recommend going more than four inch tall weed because, especially weeds like Chandra good, we have seen last year, like when we spread them.
Debalin Sarangi: When they're like about six install it's hard to get control and you will get multiple growing point and that will be really difficult to control.
David A Nicolai: I just want to mention, too, that are in the craft news it's been published, but it'll be actually be sent out.
David A Nicolai: On there, but you can still access that even if you want to look at it a little bit more, and this morning, going to the site, but in terms of glow fascinate just a reminder again.
David A Nicolai: Small and accurately growing weeds less than three inches in height is ideal here and it always works better, when it's warm and sunny conditions on that there are some.
David A Nicolai: Recommendations here over the top, on corn from the six to corn growth.
David A Nicolai: In terms of that up in terms of emergence up through V six drop nozzles up to 36 and four soybeans it's applying it, you know Americans from from emergence up to bloom or up to.
David A Nicolai: The our one on stage in terms of that, so I think there are some opportunities here, but certainly.
David A Nicolai: You know, you want to have a good pre programming here, as we can certainly seen with the rainfall that we've had this this last year, so.
David A Nicolai: Those are being in terms of that So those are some just some aspects with that and I think Devlin you're going to be publishing a couple more crop news in terms of that we're going to send out a reminder to on the cut off.
David A Nicolai: In terms of when you certain herbicides, you cannot apply over the top of emerged crops, and so I want to remind you, people are really check your labels about that.
David A Nicolai: don't do any more harm than you can and you're already in terms of over the top situations with that, but keep in mind.
David A Nicolai: that a lot of you can go over the top emerged, some of them you definitely cannot for corn and soybeans but if you're not sure check with your agronomist or your supplier.
David A Nicolai: As well anything else Devlin before we segue over to IP in terms of that and field scouting that we should mention coming up in terms of we control or observations.
Debalin Sarangi: yeah so one quick thing actually Tom would be the better person to talk about, but we got a question regarding.
Debalin Sarangi: rotating.
Debalin Sarangi: crops with sugar bit, so I know it is bit tricky and since last year, we are doing a project like when we are rotating soybean with super beta and I know that are.
Debalin Sarangi: very limited choice of herbicide that you can use, but still out say like there are still some option that you can use for.
Debalin Sarangi: Your soybeans or corn, and you can wrote it still with your sugar beets so.
Debalin Sarangi: yeah I mean I know if you're rotating your crops with sugar beet you'll have very limited choice of herbicide but still like you'll get opportunity of using like dual.
Debalin Sarangi: valor so those herbicide still can be used because they have like four to six months of rotation restriction so you'd be fine using super bit next year.
David A Nicolai: So in this situation as we go forward they're just obviously scouting but from a biology standpoint, you know the giant rag we typically is one that's going to emerge early.
David A Nicolai: In the season, we oftentimes talk about making late tillage for help and control so that may help in those situations, but if you're in a note tail or a more of a minimum till situation, some of those weeds are pretty big at this point in time.
David A Nicolai: check your labels, maybe beyond that and kill it or something might be your only other option if you're beyond the weed high level.
David A Nicolai: Even for from a burn down standpoint so keep that in mind, I guess, as we go forward, but certainly we can expect lambs quarters and certainly water happens on and a number of other small see that wants to continue to emerge.
David A Nicolai: Even as we get into this next week we're talking maybe 60s and 70s, I think Devlin was still ideal for that situation, and so in a lot of cases I guess at this point is it's not late for pre.
Debalin Sarangi: yeah no I totally agree but yeah make sure up to June 15 you have to be careful because you can carry over a lot of those herbicides to next year corn or soybean our sukkah so June 15 it's kind of a bit tricky but still, you should check the label regarding that audition restrictions.
David A Nicolai: So I think going forward, please note that the crop news that's coming out here today are available actually it's already published but it'll be actually sent out this today, but there'll be some other ones.
David A Nicolai: Shortly here that Devlin is working on as well, in terms of your recommendations so deb when we're going to let you go at this point, I guess you're going to get down the road to.
David A Nicolai: Lambert tend to get some of your research in because we're still farming, so to speak, like everyone else, and still needing to get some things a planet and applied with that, so thank you very much.
David A Nicolai: Thank you, I mean you're on, we have a question, though, and it's a little bit.
David A Nicolai: It came in, I think, somewhat directed to your area, because you are in that area from Morris and you know over to Glenwood and so forth, and certainly you've had your part of weather.
David A Nicolai: One question that came in about severe weather over the weekend wondered about any recent reports of crop damage from hale or wind and.
David A Nicolai: I also have a Co worker I’m going to call her out she's a Liz stall, and she may have some other comments in Southwestern Minnesota but.
David A Nicolai: just wondering where are we in terms of crop reports and situations, things were relatively decent over here in eastern Minnesota we didn't have as much of the damage but comments about that Anthony getting out there and scouting yeah.
Anthony Hanson: Basically, the area I’m from you know Alexandria Wilmer and so on, over to Morris folks are watching the news afraid I was on the news quite a bit.
Anthony Hanson: quite a bit of damage there when it came to buildings, when it comes to the crops so far, it looks like we're relatively okay.
Anthony Hanson: I’d say for corn know it's early enough, you know I’m seeing about three leaf stage or so for a lot of it that will recover just fine.
Anthony Hanson: The growing point is still below the ground I would maybe be worried about diseases, possibly when you get any sort of hail damage.
Anthony Hanson: In any of our crops, but that's something you just have to be keeping an eye out for that some we can't really just predict what's going to happen.
Anthony Hanson: So it means it really depends, when you plant it so a lot of our beans are very late, so if they even are in the ground yet.
Anthony Hanson: So basically if their underground they're pretty protected, but if that growing point basically that crook is getting hit by hail.
Anthony Hanson: Then you could be looking at stand issues, but that this goes back to making sure you're going out and basically doing stand comes and see what you have just like you do with any other issues, whether you had flooding or just general germination concerns.
Anthony Hanson: I think the only crop I’d made me wonder about is alfalfa right now, some places that probably got beat up pretty good.
Anthony Hanson: The fields I’ve been looking at so far haven't looked too bad I haven't been in the heavy hail damage area, yet, but.
Anthony Hanson: that's one where maybe you're going to be harvesting a little early if it looks like you have a lot of material that you might lose, otherwise I, in that case so.
Anthony Hanson: that's probably a bit more of a niche area right now it's just keep an eye on your fields if there's heavy hail, you may have some decision speaker.
David A Nicolai: You know the old adage oftentimes is with my hail insurance inhale adjuster standpoint is to wait a number of days.
David A Nicolai: You know 567 days or whatever, but quick primer I mean if you mentioned in terms of corn that growing point below the ground until that five six leaf.
David A Nicolai: stage and situations with that, and so, if that's intact.
David A Nicolai: You know you sometimes you get bruising and so forth, and you know, on a bigger planting and that'll cause you problems in terms of.
David A Nicolai: Disease it bacterial and so forth, but that's usually the case on larger corn out in the small emerged corn.
David A Nicolai: And soybeans typically is you know if you cut off below those Catalina on the bottom of the plant below that that plants dead.
David A Nicolai: there's no chance on that, but if the cod leads are there there's axillary nodes there and the first on the uniform yet leaves.
David A Nicolai: Were regrowth can occur, so we have to give yourself some time on that, but typically that's the situation, but fortunately not a lot of other things in terms of that but that's usually the case.
David A Nicolai: But going out in the field, I can, and whether you're looking out those observations and in and so forth, you know, I was talking to Bruce potter.
David A Nicolai: Yesterday and he's saying you know when he first started out, you know he read the books, like everybody else and started to make an m pattern or an ex pattern.
David A Nicolai: And then he found out well I don't really have to do that, I just have to get out there and start looking around, but any comments about some of the basics and and tools and.
David A Nicolai: Stan counts, besides everything else, and then, what else are we should be looking at in terms of black cut worm in some places in damage here early season, but those types of things.
David A Nicolai: I know I know I noticed lives before style put on the screen here resources on hail damage on corn yeah it's in the box here down below so Anthony I’ll let you visit a little bit about that and I’ll keep track of some questions.
Anthony Hanson: Sure, so what basically we're looking at for scouting is a lot of times they'll say Oh, be sure to vote and go well, no, there are a lot of details behind that.
Anthony Hanson: And let's use it in such a good example it definitely applies to disease weeds too, but they are often not just evenly distributed across the field you're going to have clumps of them in some places.
Anthony Hanson: So Dave when you mentioned, you know doing like an m pattern or next pattern of grass field.
Anthony Hanson: that's, at least in an attempt to get you maybe away from your field road or the corner of your field further in the field, get a little variation.
Anthony Hanson: And really that's what matters it, you know if you're worrying about what type of parent of US that's you know just something take a stab at it.
Anthony Hanson: But as long as you are getting some good coverage across your field that's where you're going to get a good average of what's going on, regardless of what type pester looking at.
Anthony Hanson: Some can be a little more evenly spread across field and i'll talk about that a little bit later here, but you mentioned black couple of them that's.
Anthony Hanson: One of our main insects right now we're keeping an eye on Bruce potter has his black couple I’m trapping network.
Anthony Hanson: A lot of information on that if you do want to look that up that should show pretty quick on Google and in that case, a lot of counties and simpkin flight around all.
Anthony Hanson: end of April and they're developed just enough now where we're going to start to see cutting you know about now and about two old June 20 or so that's kind of our scouting window right now.
Anthony Hanson: But then, what do you do when you're going out there and that case we're looking at just stand counts, if you have a boat or two to 3% of plans to fully it that's what we're using as the threshold.
Anthony Hanson: that's one of the examples where if it's just a little corner field if you have heavy affiliation there, but the rest of your field is clean.
Anthony Hanson: that's one where you know that average ideally if you're sampling well that average should actually be a lot lower.
Anthony Hanson: But that's just one thing to keep in mind is maybe you're going to spot treat an area of a field, but a lot of times we're making whole field decisions that's, we have to figure out for your farm.
Anthony Hanson: When it comes to one of our other pests, especially we're lining up just right for timing on that one right now is alfalfa legal.
Anthony Hanson: Now that one's just been starting to show up in terms of larvae in the field and that's when the other things were scouting tips is pay attention to life stages, so I mentioned last couple and before that's when we're as it gets older it's actually.
Anthony Hanson: Less has less potential for damage in that case.
David A Nicolai: Well let's talk a little bit about maybe jumping ahead economic thresholds.
David A Nicolai: yeah on both of those maybe Anthony alfalfa weevil if you're out there, yes, you will find them and so forth, but you know when do you have to be concerned yet to this spring, maybe again same segue back and black cut warm in terms of amount, but.
Anthony Hanson: yeah a lot of times those thresholds are variable so you mentioned black cup warm that's generally two to 3% when you get to leader in.
Anthony Hanson: Other fields on the floor for.
David A Nicolai: 3%, of the other plants cut in the field correct.
David A Nicolai: yeah okay.
Anthony Hanson: And then that changes, when you get up to about 5% so your field can tolerate more when you have basically larvae that are close to going to adult stage they're not gonna be feeding anymore and it's the same thing for alfalfa weevil.
Anthony Hanson: In that case, so we have a whole tables of economic thresholds for alfalfa weevil based primarily on plant height, in this case, a lot of the fields I’ve been looking at for alfalfa about a.
Anthony Hanson: Foot taller so we're early vegetative stage not quite ready for morning, in that case.
Anthony Hanson: And alfalfa we will just starting to feed out there for the larvae we can find plenty of adults those aren't feeding and although so when you're taking a sweetener, there are a lot of people say, well, I have a lot of alfalfa weevils but has been very few larvae so far.
David A Nicolai: Well, I believe we have a.
David A Nicolai: A craft news I don't know if Phil if someone could put that up but there's a link of one of our crap news that delved into the economic thresholds and had those tables in here, more recently, in terms of alfalfa weevil but you've got account you don't need necessarily need a sweep nuts.
Anthony Hanson: yeah exactly that's what I do for myself, we will and our recommendations or I might take a sweet note out there just to see if there are present.
Anthony Hanson: In that case, it's little green larvae the actual black head capsule there are some look alikes that I have different color heads to them so that's one thing to keep an eye out for.
Anthony Hanson: But yeah just sweep a little bit if they're present all we do is take about 30 plants and field, take a bucket with you and just beat those plants on the bucket just cut them and.
Anthony Hanson: Basically, as many of the library off the plants, you can and you get account that way and that's how we get our threshold so it's.
Anthony Hanson: Pretty straightforward doesn't take too long to go out and check if you have a couple fields at least.
Anthony Hanson: You might have quite a few fields cover in a day that can add up a little bit, but that's one thing to manage a little bit too is you're sculpting time how long you're gonna be spending and fields and plenty had a little bit for that so things don't catch you off guard.
David A Nicolai: yeah we just put up alfalfa weevil link in our in our chat and certainly going to the crop news.
David A Nicolai: But it goes going back to black cut worm I mean there's a limit here we're talking about 123 leaf corn be more susceptible than are just so right now is the timing.
David A Nicolai: is really important, you know, to go out there, if you if you have an opportunity.
David A Nicolai: same thing, a lot of alfalfa might be getting close to being cut so forth, you know and and watching for the you know regrowth because we could still have that.
David A Nicolai: In terms of that now Bruce’s talk a little bit about the fact that maybe jumping ahead here to small green we have caught, a lot of army where moths this year.
David A Nicolai: As well as black women, but just for people that are growing spring wheat anything you know, in terms of that but that's an insect that we are sometimes need to be concerned about in terms of grass.
Anthony Hanson: yeah so true earlier was kind of similar to black couple of in the sense of.
Anthony Hanson: It can be very variable where they show up and where we have significant issues, so I know a thing about the black color and trap network we didn't have heavy flights, but there were a couple companies that showed up.
Anthony Hanson: with high councilor same can happen for two army warm so that's one we're definitely be keeping an eye out in your fields, especially small Greens so far we haven't had too many issues.
Anthony Hanson: At least for insects there yet, but that could easily change this year and, last year we got off pretty easy, aside from grasshoppers the weather cooperated for us this year.
Anthony Hanson: But that can easily switch and other pests can show up when the conditions are right so that's one where.
Anthony Hanson: You have to keep an eye out for that that's definitely, the main one on the radar for small Greens right now for early season, please, there could be some past coming up a little bit later in the season.
Anthony Hanson: But we do have some of our IBM stoats in western Minnesota at least this year, so we will have some information coming out on additional small green pests and diseases do.
David A Nicolai: I think it may be a little early for corn door moth but you'll keep track of that as well, when that we I know we have a lot of BT hybrids out there and the landscape.
David A Nicolai: But not all we have conventional hybrid says as well, so and I believe that you put together will again some a little maps and tracking etc.
Anthony Hanson: yeah so there's two things we do there one is our annual fall survey, so we did that, last September, October and.
Anthony Hanson: Very low counts across the state for European corn borer bill Hutchison does have a black light trapping network where we're monitoring for European corn borer as well.
Anthony Hanson: And so far yeah it's too early to really be seeing much action there but they will be picking up in the near future so we'll have alerts if there are.
Anthony Hanson: outbreaks to that and we keep an eye out for potential resistance to be to which has occurred in parts of Canada not documented in the US, at least so far, so, at least if we can keep resistance to some degree for European corn board for a while that'll definitely be helpful.
David A Nicolai: I think the last thing is that there is a North central group of folks like yourself Anthony and there's some videos on field scouting.
David A Nicolai: Identification in situations with that and all you can mention that are where they can go perhaps and find some of that information if.
David A Nicolai: If they're really looking at scouting their family or say, for example in a co op or consultant, but just briefly mentioned that, as we close here.
Anthony Hanson: yeah so that's the through the crop protection network we haven't a virtual crop scout school.
Anthony Hanson: And that's very in terms of crops, we have some of our main ones from Minnesota corn soybeans alfalfa and there's some small grains in there too.
Anthony Hanson: And you can pick it out by disease and sex weeds and what you need to do for scouting those a lot of times it's a.
Anthony Hanson: tutorial video or presentation on kind of how we go through that whole process, a lot of times, from the start, pretty much so it's a good opportunity there for people to.
Anthony Hanson: kind of either relearn things a little bit or start over from the beginning, so I, you should be able to just to search for that online crop protection network.
Anthony Hanson: Virtual crop scout school and that will show up you probably will need to register, but it should be free so just to get access to the recording Sir.
David A Nicolai: So it's your recordings and if they have any trouble on that they can always email you directly.
David A Nicolai: To us, as well, I think we've approached the end of our end of our time here and I look forward to next week.
David A Nicolai: list all I will and Ryan, I believe Ryan Miller, hopefully, will be with you we'll talk a little bit about some of the challenges I think in terms of the state of Minnesota.
David A Nicolai: There are some different things that we're going to be covering obviously everything from prevent plan to.
David A Nicolai: Some of the other areas that will still be dealing with in terms of weed control and any updates on insects plan pathology as well.
David A Nicolai: So don't forget to go to the end of the program here we have the fourth question survey, we want to thank again.
David A Nicolai: The Minnesota so I’ve been research and promotion Council and the Minnesota corn growers research in motion Council for their support of these webinars which will also be available as a podcast later on, through the program so any last words Anthony.
Anthony Hanson: I think last thought is so even little early for it still won't be until about go into June, they might start showing up coming from the back door and under the soybean.
Anthony Hanson: But be ready for that one too we probably will have to be scouting pretty heavily for the winter didn't kill all so again if it's off so they will be back whether it's actually damaged levels or not that's all going to depend on the year.
David A Nicolai: Okay well keep monitoring the early season, we control take advantage of the priests were applicable, but will assume be into post emergence in this more rapid.
David A Nicolai: Growth, as we go along we'll have a longer days so thanks again for attending We appreciate that we're going to sign off.
David A Nicolai: From our end and we'll see you again next Wednesday morning at eight o'clock for another installment of field notes in terms of what's happening in Minnesota crops and join us, then, thank you very much.