1 00:00:00,142 --> 00:00:04,702 Welcome to Say More, the powerhouse podcast dedicated to elevating the voices 2 00:00:04,702 --> 00:00:09,042 and journeys of women striving for the C -suite and those who've already conquered 3 00:00:09,042 --> 00:00:09,532 it. 4 00:00:09,532 --> 00:00:14,102 Brace yourself for candid conversations, illuminating interviews and unfiltered 5 00:00:14,102 --> 00:00:18,962 insights as we delve into the triumphs, hurdles and invaluable lessons learned 6 00:00:18,962 --> 00:00:20,686 along the path to success. 7 00:00:20,686 --> 00:00:25,306 Join us on this empowering journey where inspiration meets empowerment and wisdom 8 00:00:25,306 --> 00:00:26,466 reigns supreme. 9 00:00:26,466 --> 00:00:30,946 Get ready to ignite your ambition, harness your potential and thrive alongside your 10 00:00:30,946 --> 00:00:33,350 sisters on Say More. 11 00:00:49,870 --> 00:00:53,100 to another episode of the Say More podcast. 12 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:56,410 We are so glad that you decided to join us. 13 00:00:56,410 --> 00:01:01,070 You know, it's such a great destination for talking about not only some of the 14 00:01:01,070 --> 00:01:05,150 challenges that we face, but also the triumphs that we faced in the space of 15 00:01:05,150 --> 00:01:10,130 women as we aspire to not only make it to the C -suite, or perhaps it's not your 16 00:01:10,130 --> 00:01:13,870 journey that you want to make it to the C -suite, but you want to seek promotion. 17 00:01:13,870 --> 00:01:16,367 This is the destination in place for you to do it. 18 00:01:16,367 --> 00:01:20,087 And I think the great thing about our speakers that we've had thus far is that 19 00:01:20,087 --> 00:01:24,527 though we talk about women, we realize that there is a role that men have played 20 00:01:24,527 --> 00:01:27,227 in this conversations as well. 21 00:01:27,227 --> 00:01:30,947 I mentioned before that some of my greatest mentors have been men and at the 22 00:01:30,947 --> 00:01:34,347 same time, those are some of the best people that we've also had some 23 00:01:34,347 --> 00:01:39,067 interaction with when it comes to them being developed who want to know more 24 00:01:39,067 --> 00:01:41,947 about being an all inclusive leader. 25 00:01:41,947 --> 00:01:42,350 So. 26 00:01:42,350 --> 00:01:47,710 I am so excited to go down this conversation and path with a good dear 27 00:01:47,710 --> 00:01:49,760 friend of mine, Rosemarie Sloan. 28 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,330 We'll call her Rose throughout because that's what friends do. 29 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:58,120 But today, you know, we're going to learn something that I didn't even know as well. 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,870 And so we get to share it together and, or learn about it together. 31 00:02:01,870 --> 00:02:03,150 And that is. 32 00:02:03,150 --> 00:02:07,550 Rose, could you talk to us about not only your journey, now that I knew, but I 33 00:02:07,550 --> 00:02:12,250 didn't know about the founding of JBR Leadership Consulting and really kind of 34 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:15,790 what inspired you to focus on supporting leaders. 35 00:02:15,790 --> 00:02:20,230 And of course, we'll talk about women as our key area of focus, but realizing it 36 00:02:20,230 --> 00:02:24,210 really is broad and it runs the gamut of men and women. 37 00:02:24,550 --> 00:02:25,950 Well, Kimberly, it's so good to be with you. 38 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:26,740 It's good to see you again. 39 00:02:26,740 --> 00:02:27,870 It's good to be here today. 40 00:02:27,870 --> 00:02:32,206 And it's really good to talk about the journey that women have. 41 00:02:32,206 --> 00:02:35,146 to senior leadership positions. 42 00:02:35,146 --> 00:02:38,146 And that's really what inspired me. 43 00:02:38,146 --> 00:02:43,126 You know, I think about myself back being six, seven, eight years old, wanting to 44 00:02:43,126 --> 00:02:45,526 lead my own classroom. 45 00:02:45,546 --> 00:02:49,406 And I would bring neighborhood kids together in the summertime, and I probably 46 00:02:49,406 --> 00:02:52,806 wasn't very popular on the block, and wanted to teach them. 47 00:02:52,806 --> 00:02:58,326 And so I had papers, and I just wanted to, I've always wanted to lead. 48 00:02:58,326 --> 00:03:02,190 So it became really important to me at a very, very young age. 49 00:03:02,190 --> 00:03:05,750 I began my career as you know as an elementary school teacher, spent almost 20 50 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:10,590 years as the leader of the classroom, and hopefully influential in the lives of what 51 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:12,190 I call, you know, the little people. 52 00:03:12,190 --> 00:03:14,970 Because then we're going to grow up and be big people. 53 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:22,010 The other thing that I think about is the role of the executive officer also for an 54 00:03:22,010 --> 00:03:23,580 organization that I lead. 55 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:28,430 I'm the first woman to be in that senior leadership chair. 56 00:03:28,430 --> 00:03:30,110 I don't take that lightly. 57 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:35,250 It's not something that I brag about or boast, but it is something eternally that 58 00:03:35,250 --> 00:03:39,850 really fills me with a great sense of accomplishment and joy. 59 00:03:39,850 --> 00:03:44,669 And then it becomes my responsibility to honor the vision and the history of the 60 00:03:44,669 --> 00:03:46,510 organization and then take it forward. 61 00:03:46,510 --> 00:03:50,370 JBR stemmed from all of my experiences. 62 00:03:50,370 --> 00:03:55,172 And actually JBR was coined by my husband. 63 00:03:55,278 --> 00:04:00,018 I was getting in the car one day, very, very challenged with something and feeling 64 00:04:00,018 --> 00:04:04,498 like I couldn't be vulnerable in the situation that I was going in. 65 00:04:04,498 --> 00:04:08,578 And I was getting in the car and he handed me my lunch, gave me a kiss on the cheek. 66 00:04:08,578 --> 00:04:10,598 And he said, JBR. 67 00:04:10,818 --> 00:04:13,218 I went, JBR? 68 00:04:13,218 --> 00:04:15,108 You're not going to be thinking about this? 69 00:04:15,108 --> 00:04:18,658 And he said, just be Rose. 70 00:04:18,758 --> 00:04:20,142 You are. 71 00:04:20,142 --> 00:04:24,722 It's all you need to be, just be Rose and everything else will take care of itself. 72 00:04:24,722 --> 00:04:30,302 And so I began thinking if I ever was to lead my own consulting organization, 73 00:04:30,302 --> 00:04:31,772 that's what I would do. 74 00:04:31,772 --> 00:04:35,162 It would be about being authentic, showing up and be real. 75 00:04:35,162 --> 00:04:39,962 So whether you think about JBR consulting, leadership consulting as being just be 76 00:04:39,962 --> 00:04:43,942 Rose, what it really means is just be real. 77 00:04:44,762 --> 00:04:46,852 I love that. 78 00:04:46,852 --> 00:04:49,422 And I am so glad that I did not. 79 00:04:49,422 --> 00:04:54,782 twist your arm and ask you to share it in advance because I really wanted, you know, 80 00:04:54,782 --> 00:04:59,322 me and the listeners to learn about what the meaning was behind it together. 81 00:04:59,322 --> 00:05:05,062 And it is more powerful than I ever thought it was or would be. 82 00:05:05,062 --> 00:05:07,262 So thank you, thank you for sharing that. 83 00:05:07,262 --> 00:05:12,702 And we certainly have to add your husband to our group of influencers because it 84 00:05:12,702 --> 00:05:14,862 really is about investing in others. 85 00:05:14,862 --> 00:05:20,142 So Rose, when we think about, you know, JBR leadership and being the founder, what 86 00:05:20,142 --> 00:05:25,382 specific challenges or gaps did you identify in the landscape, specifically 87 00:05:25,382 --> 00:05:30,762 around women's leadership development that motivated you to take action or inspired 88 00:05:30,762 --> 00:05:32,542 you to take action? 89 00:05:32,582 --> 00:05:35,622 I think it's really clear the future is female. 90 00:05:35,622 --> 00:05:36,772 It's very clear. 91 00:05:36,772 --> 00:05:38,212 There's so many roles. 92 00:05:38,212 --> 00:05:41,222 There's so many women moving into leadership positions. 93 00:05:41,222 --> 00:05:43,758 The future really is just out there. 94 00:05:43,758 --> 00:05:51,038 Research shows that women, when they are a part of either a senior leadership board 95 00:05:51,038 --> 00:05:56,378 or a senior leadership team, that those organizations are more productive, more 96 00:05:56,378 --> 00:05:58,138 forward moving. 97 00:05:58,138 --> 00:06:01,598 And we bring a great deal of perspective. 98 00:06:01,598 --> 00:06:08,298 The other thing that I would say is that women have had to really overcome a lot of 99 00:06:08,298 --> 00:06:11,982 deep rooted stereotypes, microaggressions. 100 00:06:11,982 --> 00:06:17,322 There is still persisting bias and discrimination in the work environment, 101 00:06:17,322 --> 00:06:18,792 compensation inequities. 102 00:06:18,792 --> 00:06:23,822 There's a lot of challenges that women do experience, but women are tough. 103 00:06:23,822 --> 00:06:24,802 We're strong. 104 00:06:24,802 --> 00:06:25,622 We're committed. 105 00:06:25,622 --> 00:06:32,502 We are just as committed and just as passionate about being in a leadership 106 00:06:32,502 --> 00:06:34,422 position, but also being promoted. 107 00:06:34,422 --> 00:06:35,842 We're ambitious. 108 00:06:35,842 --> 00:06:38,638 And we bring a lot of what I like to call, 109 00:06:38,638 --> 00:06:41,398 The soft skills, we excel at those soft skills. 110 00:06:41,398 --> 00:06:44,138 Now, of course there's the hard skills, you know, those skills that are job 111 00:06:44,138 --> 00:06:47,658 essential, related, structures, the strategies, the systems. 112 00:06:47,658 --> 00:06:53,378 Women excel in soft skills and it's the soft skills that are going to retain 113 00:06:53,378 --> 00:06:55,758 talent in our organizations. 114 00:06:55,758 --> 00:07:02,138 High emotional intelligence, flexibility, teamwork, adaptability, communication 115 00:07:02,138 --> 00:07:07,118 skills, all of those things that honor the talent and the style. 116 00:07:07,118 --> 00:07:12,638 of not just women in an organization, but all people, all leaders in an 117 00:07:12,638 --> 00:07:13,338 organization. 118 00:07:13,338 --> 00:07:20,318 And so this is really what motivated me to be part of this process, to help lead this 119 00:07:20,318 --> 00:07:22,846 process, and to inspire women. 120 00:07:23,622 --> 00:07:24,542 my goodness. 121 00:07:24,542 --> 00:07:28,712 Again, I hear and I eventually our listeners are like, let me get closer. 122 00:07:28,712 --> 00:07:33,382 So if you're walking, doing your afternoon stroll and you got your smartphone in your 123 00:07:33,382 --> 00:07:34,982 hand, I know you're pulling it close. 124 00:07:34,982 --> 00:07:39,842 And if you're watching us on YouTube or Spotify, Apple, wherever you're doing that 125 00:07:39,842 --> 00:07:44,802 at, I know again, this is such a good conversation that I know that you will 126 00:07:44,802 --> 00:07:50,962 want to replay it because it really does touch all aspects and share it with your 127 00:07:50,962 --> 00:07:53,038 friends, your friends that may be men. 128 00:07:53,038 --> 00:07:58,598 as well because it's a big enough conversation that we need all hands on 129 00:07:58,598 --> 00:07:59,378 deck. 130 00:07:59,378 --> 00:08:04,458 And so Rose, when you think about critical issues, what do you believe are the most 131 00:08:04,458 --> 00:08:10,438 critical issues or obstacles faced by women advancing the leadership positions? 132 00:08:10,438 --> 00:08:14,118 And how does JBR leadership address those challenges? 133 00:08:14,138 --> 00:08:19,678 I mentioned a lot of the challenges in what I just said, but I would add to that 134 00:08:19,678 --> 00:08:20,878 allyship. 135 00:08:21,098 --> 00:08:22,798 Women supporting 136 00:08:22,798 --> 00:08:28,078 women providing opportunities to mentor or to coach. 137 00:08:28,078 --> 00:08:30,978 Be part of another woman's journey. 138 00:08:30,978 --> 00:08:33,058 I think that's really powerful. 139 00:08:33,058 --> 00:08:36,498 And I really do believe that men do this very, very well. 140 00:08:36,498 --> 00:08:38,498 They have connections. 141 00:08:38,498 --> 00:08:44,538 They have more networks that support their growth and development that champion the 142 00:08:44,538 --> 00:08:46,958 path they're on, the process they're on. 143 00:08:46,958 --> 00:08:49,358 Women, I don't believe do this as well. 144 00:08:49,358 --> 00:08:50,702 And we need to support. 145 00:08:50,702 --> 00:08:51,392 other women. 146 00:08:51,392 --> 00:08:56,742 I can't tell you how many times that I felt like a woman was not on my side. 147 00:08:56,742 --> 00:09:03,712 I don't want any woman, regardless of role, to feel any threat, anything. 148 00:09:03,712 --> 00:09:05,862 I want to empower. 149 00:09:05,862 --> 00:09:08,622 And so that I think is really important. 150 00:09:08,622 --> 00:09:14,702 And I know when I said that about 32 % of all senior leadership positions involve a 151 00:09:14,702 --> 00:09:18,182 woman in that role, and that needs to be much, much higher. 152 00:09:18,182 --> 00:09:19,726 I do believe 153 00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:25,186 that there is a lot of training out there available, but what I think is happening 154 00:09:25,186 --> 00:09:27,956 is that women in leadership positions are stalling. 155 00:09:27,956 --> 00:09:32,546 And I don't know the reason for that, but I have seen the research there. 156 00:09:32,546 --> 00:09:35,026 Women supporting other women. 157 00:09:35,026 --> 00:09:39,286 If you have the opportunity, you're in a leadership role as a woman, mentor 158 00:09:39,286 --> 00:09:40,406 someone. 159 00:09:40,406 --> 00:09:45,466 Find someone who has that potential to take that next step, provide coaching 160 00:09:45,466 --> 00:09:48,878 opportunities for them, sponsor them, put them in a... 161 00:09:48,878 --> 00:09:54,958 program or help them find a program that's going to support what their path is. 162 00:09:54,958 --> 00:09:57,798 I think that's really important. 163 00:09:58,018 --> 00:10:00,928 Rose, you have said so many. 164 00:10:00,928 --> 00:10:04,878 I mean, again, not only this conversation I have to share with the listeners too. 165 00:10:04,878 --> 00:10:10,038 You were also one of our great speakers and conversationalist on Workforce 166 00:10:10,038 --> 00:10:10,548 Insight. 167 00:10:10,548 --> 00:10:14,358 So if you haven't tuned into that episode, then make sure that you're looking for 168 00:10:14,358 --> 00:10:17,518 that one as well, because lots of great nuggets. 169 00:10:17,518 --> 00:10:17,838 So. 170 00:10:17,838 --> 00:10:23,138 You mentioned that oftentimes in the case of women as they're making their way up 171 00:10:23,138 --> 00:10:29,258 the allyship and the sponsorship, I tend to absolutely agree. 172 00:10:29,258 --> 00:10:34,978 And I've often wondered and it's not just a conversation that's in Kim's head. 173 00:10:34,978 --> 00:10:40,178 It's that literally where every corner of the US where I've gone, you hear this 174 00:10:40,178 --> 00:10:45,568 conversation that I don't feel that I was supported and I'll say, okay, who was it? 175 00:10:45,568 --> 00:10:46,698 It was another woman. 176 00:10:46,698 --> 00:10:47,022 So. 177 00:10:47,022 --> 00:10:52,742 How do and what advice have you given to those who are in leadership roles? 178 00:10:52,742 --> 00:10:58,402 Because sometimes, and I've heard this, I heard this just a week ago, a colleague 179 00:10:58,402 --> 00:11:02,622 said to me in a different space and she said, you know what, I just opted, it was 180 00:11:02,622 --> 00:11:04,962 such a bad experience for me. 181 00:11:04,962 --> 00:11:09,722 And because it was with another woman, I chose not to pursue leadership anymore. 182 00:11:09,722 --> 00:11:11,322 I said, really? 183 00:11:11,322 --> 00:11:14,606 She's like, yeah, I just couldn't take it anymore. 184 00:11:14,606 --> 00:11:15,466 And I said, what'd you do? 185 00:11:15,466 --> 00:11:17,406 She said, I left that job and I went into another. 186 00:11:17,406 --> 00:11:23,566 And I hate those stories because we have such a unique opportunity to help each 187 00:11:23,566 --> 00:11:27,546 other and to learn from the experiences shared by others. 188 00:11:27,546 --> 00:11:33,406 Hence the reason for why even my interests would say more, regardless of whether I'm 189 00:11:33,406 --> 00:11:37,866 resilient and whatever else people think about me, I knew it was bigger than me. 190 00:11:37,866 --> 00:11:43,246 And I knew that having a platform that we could have all this collective voices. 191 00:11:43,246 --> 00:11:48,166 that it would just be something amazing in that, you know, maybe we would be okay 192 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:53,986 with hearing it in this way and less, you know, you know, not, not a situation where 193 00:11:53,986 --> 00:11:57,846 it was threatening, but really about allyship and friendship. 194 00:11:57,846 --> 00:12:05,106 So what, what, you know, thinking about that, what ways have you done or I guess 195 00:12:05,106 --> 00:12:10,586 processes, workshops, whatever the case may be with JBR leadership to try and 196 00:12:10,586 --> 00:12:11,630 combat that. 197 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:15,334 because it's a real thing that's ever -present. 198 00:12:17,134 --> 00:12:21,254 I think the biggest thing that I do with JBR leadership is coaching. 199 00:12:21,854 --> 00:12:24,874 Coaching, there's a difference between mentoring and there's a difference between 200 00:12:24,874 --> 00:12:26,494 mentoring and coaching. 201 00:12:26,534 --> 00:12:30,974 Mentoring is about linking yourself with another professional and I mentor as well, 202 00:12:30,974 --> 00:12:35,174 but linking yourself with another professional that you aspire to be or that 203 00:12:35,174 --> 00:12:38,934 will give you support or guidance or some training. 204 00:12:38,934 --> 00:12:40,414 That's what mentoring is about. 205 00:12:40,414 --> 00:12:43,934 It becomes all about the person that you're mentoring, not about the mentor 206 00:12:43,934 --> 00:12:44,814 themselves. 207 00:12:44,814 --> 00:12:45,838 Coaching... 208 00:12:45,838 --> 00:12:48,568 is much different and this is what I do a lot of. 209 00:12:48,568 --> 00:12:50,298 It's about performance. 210 00:12:50,298 --> 00:12:53,028 So I hear the stories that you just mentioned, Kimberly. 211 00:12:53,028 --> 00:12:55,348 It's heartbreaking to hear a story like that. 212 00:12:55,348 --> 00:12:57,098 I also understand a story like that. 213 00:12:57,098 --> 00:12:58,408 I've been in that woman's shoes. 214 00:12:58,408 --> 00:12:59,618 I've wanted to walk away. 215 00:12:59,618 --> 00:13:01,098 I have walked away. 216 00:13:01,098 --> 00:13:03,678 I don't do that anymore and I don't encourage women. 217 00:13:03,678 --> 00:13:06,238 I don't encourage any leader to do that. 218 00:13:06,238 --> 00:13:07,298 Women are stronger. 219 00:13:07,298 --> 00:13:11,238 We are stronger than we think we are. 220 00:13:11,318 --> 00:13:15,662 It's been very challenging for us because 221 00:13:15,662 --> 00:13:22,222 we have been a part, like I say, of some of these deep -rooted stereotypes or the 222 00:13:22,222 --> 00:13:27,922 lack of positions that are available for women or the lack of people hiring women 223 00:13:27,922 --> 00:13:30,522 in these senior leadership positions. 224 00:13:30,522 --> 00:13:38,182 I will tell you that when I applied for a position, and this was years ago in 225 00:13:38,182 --> 00:13:43,950 district leadership, I was in the process of getting 226 00:13:43,950 --> 00:13:46,650 my administrative certificate. 227 00:13:47,090 --> 00:13:52,610 Earlier, a male colleague of mine and a good friend was also in the process that 228 00:13:52,610 --> 00:13:58,310 he was hired as an administrator while he was completing his certificate. 229 00:13:58,310 --> 00:14:01,810 I thought, great, this is an opportunity for me. 230 00:14:01,810 --> 00:14:03,090 I applied. 231 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:08,830 I was told that I could not go further in the process because my administrative 232 00:14:08,830 --> 00:14:11,390 certificate hadn't been completed. 233 00:14:11,390 --> 00:14:12,398 my goodness. 234 00:14:12,398 --> 00:14:15,428 So you see right there, double standard. 235 00:14:15,428 --> 00:14:19,248 Now I'm not preaching that this happens all the time. 236 00:14:19,248 --> 00:14:22,098 That was an experience that I had. 237 00:14:22,098 --> 00:14:25,638 I hear about these experiences from other women. 238 00:14:25,638 --> 00:14:29,718 My advice when I am coaching is let's deal with the issue. 239 00:14:29,718 --> 00:14:30,808 Let's share the issue. 240 00:14:30,808 --> 00:14:32,498 Let's create awareness around it. 241 00:14:32,498 --> 00:14:34,098 Let's develop a plan. 242 00:14:34,098 --> 00:14:37,958 Let's learn how to communicate effectively, intentionally. 243 00:14:37,958 --> 00:14:41,134 But let's really get clear on what it is we want. 244 00:14:41,134 --> 00:14:43,924 and then how we're gonna go about achieving that. 245 00:14:43,924 --> 00:14:45,514 And we will stumble. 246 00:14:45,514 --> 00:14:47,094 I mean, all leaders stumble. 247 00:14:47,094 --> 00:14:48,574 And we will stumble along the way. 248 00:14:48,574 --> 00:14:50,164 And that's not gender specific. 249 00:14:50,164 --> 00:14:55,754 That's just, but I think getting involved in a formal coaching process is life 250 00:14:55,754 --> 00:14:56,044 -changing. 251 00:14:56,044 --> 00:15:00,114 And I've heard that on numerous testimonials of people that have worked 252 00:15:00,114 --> 00:15:00,594 with me. 253 00:15:00,594 --> 00:15:03,704 So if you wanna work with me, I have parameters. 254 00:15:03,704 --> 00:15:05,413 I will tell you this. 255 00:15:05,413 --> 00:15:08,418 I don't fix people. 256 00:15:08,654 --> 00:15:11,014 Because I don't believe you need to be fixed. 257 00:15:11,014 --> 00:15:16,034 I believe this is the mission of JBR that goes right to what you're talking about. 258 00:15:16,174 --> 00:15:20,834 Developing people, developing people in the context of who they are, what they 259 00:15:20,834 --> 00:15:23,634 believe, and how they define success. 260 00:15:23,634 --> 00:15:26,444 That's a vision of JBR. 261 00:15:26,444 --> 00:15:31,034 And the way we do that is leading with integrity, intent, with intention, with 262 00:15:31,034 --> 00:15:32,234 influence. 263 00:15:32,234 --> 00:15:36,838 So we don't have control over some of those issues, especially the one... 264 00:15:36,846 --> 00:15:39,446 that I just described in terms of my experience. 265 00:15:39,446 --> 00:15:41,486 So what can I influence? 266 00:15:41,486 --> 00:15:41,986 Right. 267 00:15:41,986 --> 00:15:43,136 That's where we go. 268 00:15:43,136 --> 00:15:48,206 Coaching with me, you get involved in at least six months, twice a week, and then 269 00:15:48,206 --> 00:15:53,206 the rest of the year we work on where we're headed about monthly. 270 00:15:53,206 --> 00:15:55,694 So that would be my recommendation. 271 00:15:55,694 --> 00:16:01,394 I love that and definitely making sure that as you know, individuals are 272 00:16:01,394 --> 00:16:05,374 listening in that they understand the difference between whether it's coaching, 273 00:16:05,374 --> 00:16:09,634 whether it's mentorship, whether it's sponsorship and sponsors, because you know 274 00:16:09,634 --> 00:16:11,914 that understanding those terms. 275 00:16:11,914 --> 00:16:16,134 So really what I'm trying to do with each of these conversations on say more is to 276 00:16:16,134 --> 00:16:17,014 create that. 277 00:16:17,014 --> 00:16:21,354 I call it, I call it the playbook or that at a glance that you know, what these 278 00:16:21,354 --> 00:16:25,318 terms are and you know what they mean to you and how you can pursue them. 279 00:16:25,326 --> 00:16:31,606 So Rose, when we think about everything that we've talked about thus far, in what 280 00:16:31,606 --> 00:16:37,326 ways does JBR leadership differentiate itself from organizations or initiatives 281 00:16:37,326 --> 00:16:39,226 focused on women's leadership development? 282 00:16:39,226 --> 00:16:41,426 What do you think that differentiating piece is? 283 00:16:41,426 --> 00:16:49,326 Well, I mentioned the coaching piece and training specific to the needs that want 284 00:16:49,326 --> 00:16:51,346 to be developed, whatever you want to be developed. 285 00:16:51,346 --> 00:16:54,806 But I'm a strengths -based coach. 286 00:16:54,862 --> 00:16:58,062 And I believe strongly in transformational leadership. 287 00:16:58,062 --> 00:17:03,502 So how are we influencing, allowing people to motivate themselves, stimulating with 288 00:17:03,502 --> 00:17:06,412 conversation, continuing our education? 289 00:17:06,412 --> 00:17:07,582 I'm on a journey. 290 00:17:07,582 --> 00:17:12,642 I've been on a journey for, since the day I was born, I'm on a journey and my 291 00:17:12,642 --> 00:17:14,262 journey takes different paths. 292 00:17:14,262 --> 00:17:15,922 All people are on a journey. 293 00:17:15,922 --> 00:17:21,062 So I really think JBR differentiates itself because it's from a strengths 294 00:17:21,062 --> 00:17:21,710 -based. 295 00:17:21,710 --> 00:17:25,990 philosophy around transformational leadership that incorporates both 296 00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:31,430 training, coaching, and self -selecting of a mentor all at the same time. 297 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:34,470 So you can't do one without the other. 298 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:35,670 Yeah, you can't. 299 00:17:35,670 --> 00:17:38,190 I mean, you actually need that one to punch. 300 00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:43,950 So when you think about, you know, and basically too from your own experiences, 301 00:17:43,950 --> 00:17:48,870 what are some of the key competencies that and skills that aspiring leaders, 302 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:50,862 especially women, should focus on? 303 00:17:50,862 --> 00:17:55,382 developing to succeed in higher ed or just leadership in general? 304 00:17:55,502 --> 00:17:58,082 Well, I would say one of them is networking. 305 00:17:58,862 --> 00:18:04,892 Really find, find places, you know, like this podcast, listen to other women, 306 00:18:04,892 --> 00:18:07,742 listen to stories and connect with them. 307 00:18:07,742 --> 00:18:14,022 The strongest thing that we have in terms of women working with other women or women 308 00:18:14,022 --> 00:18:17,362 working together is the experiences that we share. 309 00:18:17,362 --> 00:18:20,654 Many of us may have two jobs. 310 00:18:20,654 --> 00:18:23,014 Some of us have families. 311 00:18:23,014 --> 00:18:26,574 Some of us have aging parents that we're working with. 312 00:18:26,574 --> 00:18:31,034 You know, we have different defining moments, whether they're positive or 313 00:18:31,034 --> 00:18:36,074 negative that have shaped the reasons we believe the way we believe or the path 314 00:18:36,074 --> 00:18:37,054 that we're on. 315 00:18:37,054 --> 00:18:38,484 Connect with other women. 316 00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:40,814 You won't feel alone. 317 00:18:40,814 --> 00:18:43,834 I recently joined a book club. 318 00:18:43,834 --> 00:18:46,318 I wanted something different. 319 00:18:46,318 --> 00:18:51,178 that I hadn't experienced and I wanted to have intellectual conversations with other 320 00:18:51,178 --> 00:18:55,538 women around stories that we were reading and finding connections to. 321 00:18:55,538 --> 00:18:57,518 So this is what I did. 322 00:18:57,538 --> 00:18:59,298 I went on Google. 323 00:18:59,358 --> 00:19:06,238 I live in Phoenix, so I Googled Phoenix Book Club and one popped up and I 324 00:19:06,238 --> 00:19:09,758 submitted my request to join and I attended. 325 00:19:09,758 --> 00:19:11,348 I didn't know any of the women. 326 00:19:11,348 --> 00:19:12,658 There were nine other women there. 327 00:19:12,658 --> 00:19:13,798 I knew none. 328 00:19:13,798 --> 00:19:15,982 And when I left, I knew. 329 00:19:15,982 --> 00:19:23,042 nine women that were powerful forces in the fields that they were leading. 330 00:19:23,042 --> 00:19:29,282 And some weren't leading except leading in their own lives at home, weren't leading 331 00:19:29,282 --> 00:19:34,962 out in the workforce, but raising children, being a family member, all of 332 00:19:34,962 --> 00:19:40,922 that are experiences that women have very, very closely. 333 00:19:40,922 --> 00:19:44,038 And so I would just encourage networking. 334 00:19:44,174 --> 00:19:47,054 also encourage women to always show up as themselves. 335 00:19:47,054 --> 00:19:47,814 Yes. 336 00:19:47,814 --> 00:19:49,564 Don't try to be somebody else. 337 00:19:49,564 --> 00:19:51,754 Be yourself, hence JBR. 338 00:19:51,754 --> 00:19:56,394 So for JB, JBK, just be Cameron. 339 00:19:56,754 --> 00:20:02,134 Whoever your first initial is, just be yourself. 340 00:20:02,134 --> 00:20:06,044 And I think wellness is really important. 341 00:20:06,044 --> 00:20:08,522 Women, take care of yourselves. 342 00:20:08,782 --> 00:20:10,642 I mean, first and foremost, take care of yourselves. 343 00:20:10,642 --> 00:20:13,902 You're really, you're no good to anyone if you don't take care of yourself. 344 00:20:13,902 --> 00:20:18,082 So, you know, if you think I don't have time to do that, why? 345 00:20:18,082 --> 00:20:19,602 Ask yourself, why don't I have time? 346 00:20:19,602 --> 00:20:21,522 You're the most important person in your life. 347 00:20:21,522 --> 00:20:22,792 You really are. 348 00:20:22,792 --> 00:20:24,142 It's okay to say that. 349 00:20:24,142 --> 00:20:27,022 I am the most important person in my life. 350 00:20:27,022 --> 00:20:31,762 So those are some, I mean, simple, but you can see their human competencies. 351 00:20:31,762 --> 00:20:35,232 Now in the work environment, women have high emotional intelligence. 352 00:20:35,232 --> 00:20:36,662 That's a key competency. 353 00:20:36,662 --> 00:20:37,582 We're flexible. 354 00:20:37,582 --> 00:20:39,822 We work in all kinds of situations. 355 00:20:39,822 --> 00:20:42,112 We have to deal with all kinds of situations, right? 356 00:20:42,112 --> 00:20:44,102 No, I'm not saying that men don't. 357 00:20:44,102 --> 00:20:47,602 I'm speaking specifically to women. 358 00:20:47,602 --> 00:20:49,202 Be authentic. 359 00:20:50,042 --> 00:20:50,742 Yeah. 360 00:20:51,082 --> 00:20:54,802 So again, so many rich nuggets there. 361 00:20:54,802 --> 00:20:58,802 And when I think about, you know, the networking, that's the one that I hear 362 00:20:58,802 --> 00:21:04,686 most often is, you know, there is a comfort level in being comfortable. 363 00:21:04,686 --> 00:21:08,626 with the people that you already know and the situations that you believe you 364 00:21:08,626 --> 00:21:12,226 already know the outcome because in their minds, like, you know, no one wants 365 00:21:12,226 --> 00:21:12,886 rejection. 366 00:21:12,886 --> 00:21:18,406 And what I try and preach much like it was, you know what you've got, you've got 367 00:21:18,406 --> 00:21:21,366 to stretch yourself, you know, go in and be intentional. 368 00:21:21,366 --> 00:21:26,166 You walk into a room, you know, realize that you are the best version of yourself 369 00:21:26,166 --> 00:21:28,622 and take that person in there. 370 00:21:28,622 --> 00:21:31,982 You will meet people by being you. 371 00:21:31,982 --> 00:21:32,822 You will. 372 00:21:32,822 --> 00:21:37,982 And so really the world does become your oyster, which is why again, would say more 373 00:21:37,982 --> 00:21:42,942 of that notion was that every corner of these United States I wanted to touch. 374 00:21:42,942 --> 00:21:46,342 And then I thought about my dear friend over there, Rose in Arizona. 375 00:21:46,342 --> 00:21:47,802 And I'm like, you know what? 376 00:21:47,802 --> 00:21:52,582 We can bring these connections because there's so many rich stories, much like a 377 00:21:52,582 --> 00:21:52,922 quilt. 378 00:21:52,922 --> 00:21:54,102 That's what we're making. 379 00:21:54,102 --> 00:21:56,602 That's what we're making with these conversations. 380 00:21:56,602 --> 00:21:56,910 So. 381 00:21:56,910 --> 00:21:57,840 Thank you for that. 382 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,350 And I know that there will be listeners that want to know more about not only JBR, 383 00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:07,830 but the JB question mark and whatever their name is that they can fill that 384 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:08,230 with. 385 00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:10,210 So I love it. 386 00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:10,900 You're right. 387 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:13,450 Can you mention something Kimberly about taking a risk? 388 00:22:13,450 --> 00:22:14,450 Yeah. 389 00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:18,690 You may, and there's a good chance you may, you may stumble as well. 390 00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:23,790 We learned so much from the things that don't go the way that we want, just as we 391 00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:25,422 do from the things that go the way. 392 00:22:25,422 --> 00:22:27,682 that we want them to go take a risk. 393 00:22:27,682 --> 00:22:29,102 Take a risk. 394 00:22:29,702 --> 00:22:31,382 Bet on yourself. 395 00:22:31,382 --> 00:22:36,322 Bet on yourself and I promise you'll come out stronger than ever before. 396 00:22:37,062 --> 00:22:42,312 So how does JBR leadership, you know, cultivate a supportive community? 397 00:22:42,312 --> 00:22:45,802 Because we've talked about the network and even when you just join the book club, 398 00:22:45,802 --> 00:22:47,502 just you mentioned as well. 399 00:22:47,502 --> 00:22:52,402 So this supportive community of leaders to collaborate and share insights, what does 400 00:22:52,402 --> 00:22:53,966 that look like for those that? 401 00:22:53,966 --> 00:22:56,106 take part with JBR leadership? 402 00:22:56,106 --> 00:22:59,266 It really creates a collaborative space. 403 00:22:59,266 --> 00:23:01,946 I say this all the time, I'm a lifelong learner. 404 00:23:01,946 --> 00:23:07,666 In my top five themes of talent through CliftonStrengths, one of them is learner 405 00:23:07,666 --> 00:23:10,186 and it couldn't define me in a better way. 406 00:23:10,186 --> 00:23:15,386 I also have a lot of positivity and it's not a positivity that's not realistic, but 407 00:23:15,386 --> 00:23:18,026 it's a positivity of a can -do attitude. 408 00:23:18,026 --> 00:23:21,710 And so when you come together in a collaborative space, 409 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:26,390 and you start to break down some of those walls that we have put up. 410 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:29,950 And we start to talk about those things that are very important to us and the 411 00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:30,740 experiences we have. 412 00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:31,550 This is what we find. 413 00:23:31,550 --> 00:23:34,530 We find we have more in common than not. 414 00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:40,910 And we find that we can be supportive and we can be that validating voice that we 415 00:23:40,910 --> 00:23:41,830 don't hear. 416 00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:45,970 The self -talk that we tell ourselves is so destructive. 417 00:23:45,970 --> 00:23:49,390 And believe me, I'm a great storyteller. 418 00:23:49,390 --> 00:23:55,750 I can go from A to B and my mind is just boom, like that. 419 00:23:55,750 --> 00:24:00,090 And there are times I have to be so aware that I'm doing that. 420 00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:05,870 And it makes me wonder if I'm doing it internally, am I saying that out loud too? 421 00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:07,870 Am I thinking and believing that way? 422 00:24:07,870 --> 00:24:15,610 And when I hear other women validating me or saying things like, that conversation 423 00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:17,998 really helped me to reflect. 424 00:24:17,998 --> 00:24:19,748 I'm so glad you mentioned that. 425 00:24:19,748 --> 00:24:20,958 You've said it out loud. 426 00:24:20,958 --> 00:24:26,358 You provided an opportunity for me to connect with it and feel safe. 427 00:24:26,958 --> 00:24:27,078 Yeah. 428 00:24:27,078 --> 00:24:32,038 Psychological safety is something that's so important to me and the work that I do. 429 00:24:32,038 --> 00:24:33,618 Creating spaces. 430 00:24:33,618 --> 00:24:34,958 Kimberly, think about it. 431 00:24:34,958 --> 00:24:39,818 When you go into your work environment, think about all the ways, whether you're 432 00:24:39,818 --> 00:24:43,318 home or at work, that we keep ourselves physically safe. 433 00:24:43,318 --> 00:24:46,748 We have alarms in our homes, in our work environments. 434 00:24:46,748 --> 00:24:47,982 We have keys. 435 00:24:47,982 --> 00:24:49,502 We have locks. 436 00:24:49,502 --> 00:24:52,562 When we go to work, sometimes there's metal detectors that we have to walk 437 00:24:52,562 --> 00:24:52,932 through. 438 00:24:52,932 --> 00:24:59,062 You know, all these ways that we keep ourselves physically safe, what do we do 439 00:24:59,062 --> 00:25:01,382 for psychological safety? 440 00:25:01,382 --> 00:25:06,262 Together as friends, together in families, together in collaborative training 441 00:25:06,262 --> 00:25:08,442 programs or coaching programs. 442 00:25:08,442 --> 00:25:11,122 It's about trust and safety. 443 00:25:11,122 --> 00:25:17,134 And if we do that, we will create a space where people feel like they belong. 444 00:25:17,134 --> 00:25:21,214 they feel like they can be vulnerable and they can really, J .B. 445 00:25:21,214 --> 00:25:22,174 real. 446 00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:24,594 I love that. 447 00:25:24,594 --> 00:25:30,154 And you talked about, you know, this, the idea of, you know, not only being safe and 448 00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:34,814 the validation that can come from it, but will you also speak to the converse of 449 00:25:34,814 --> 00:25:35,124 that? 450 00:25:35,124 --> 00:25:40,334 Because that again has been a lot of the conversations that I've heard from other 451 00:25:40,334 --> 00:25:46,222 women that it hurts more when it's inflicted. 452 00:25:46,222 --> 00:25:52,482 by other women because you expect them to understand the struggle, right? 453 00:25:52,482 --> 00:25:58,342 And so when, much like you, where it was okay to not have a certificate until you 454 00:25:58,342 --> 00:26:00,242 didn't have a certificate, right? 455 00:26:00,842 --> 00:26:05,222 Or in some instances, you know, and I heard this consistently too throughout 456 00:26:05,222 --> 00:26:10,922 these conversations that I've had, and is that, okay, well, I can't afford to be 457 00:26:10,922 --> 00:26:15,374 super confident or strong, come across as strong. 458 00:26:15,374 --> 00:26:19,214 in my space because I'll be perceived wrong. 459 00:26:19,214 --> 00:26:25,494 But if someone else does it, then it's good and it's amazing. 460 00:26:25,494 --> 00:26:29,174 And they're on a fast track for leadership. 461 00:26:29,434 --> 00:26:32,694 So would you talk just a moment about that? 462 00:26:32,994 --> 00:26:34,314 You know, you're right. 463 00:26:34,314 --> 00:26:40,174 There are so many different standards that are out there and the way women are 464 00:26:40,174 --> 00:26:42,414 perceived in terms of authority. 465 00:26:42,414 --> 00:26:49,394 or if there are some behaviors that are more acceptable depending on gender. 466 00:26:49,894 --> 00:26:51,394 There are labels. 467 00:26:51,394 --> 00:26:54,294 Like I said, it's very deep rooted. 468 00:26:54,294 --> 00:27:02,214 It's something that women in leadership roles are mindful of and that, you know, I 469 00:27:02,214 --> 00:27:07,754 guess they don't have to be gender specific, but we tend to see it that way. 470 00:27:07,974 --> 00:27:11,822 And it's really hard when you feel defeated. 471 00:27:11,822 --> 00:27:13,582 to get back up. 472 00:27:13,582 --> 00:27:20,162 And this is why working with somebody, to have somebody to talk to that's not on the 473 00:27:20,162 --> 00:27:24,922 inside, that can hold your confidentialities and you can really 474 00:27:24,922 --> 00:27:30,922 express what's going on because what ends up happening is you begin talking about it 475 00:27:30,922 --> 00:27:36,562 and someone else is really actively listening and they can help either reframe 476 00:27:36,562 --> 00:27:39,470 or provide a way forward. 477 00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:42,390 But the first thing that I do is I validate it. 478 00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:44,030 That sounds really frustrating. 479 00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:45,030 That sounds really hard. 480 00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:46,310 That sounds challenging. 481 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:50,390 How did you ever pick yourself back up and decide that you're going to go forward? 482 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:56,410 So really validating as opposed to saying things like, it's not that bad. 483 00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:59,850 that just happens in our work environment all the time. 484 00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:01,330 that's just how it is. 485 00:28:01,330 --> 00:28:02,190 Why? 486 00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:03,810 Why is it that way? 487 00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:07,478 No, that's not how it's supposed to be. 488 00:28:07,566 --> 00:28:09,266 Acceptable right? 489 00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:10,406 Absolutely. 490 00:28:10,406 --> 00:28:17,006 So we need to learn to stand firm And that's really hard. 491 00:28:17,006 --> 00:28:21,786 I know what I'm saying people may be out there saying Rose I've done that Rose I've 492 00:28:21,786 --> 00:28:26,166 tried and believe me I'm with you I've tried there are times I felt defeated that 493 00:28:26,166 --> 00:28:30,506 I don't want to I don't want to do this anymore It's easier to leave than it is to 494 00:28:30,506 --> 00:28:35,306 stay But what are we doing when we leave? 495 00:28:35,306 --> 00:28:36,142 Yeah? 496 00:28:36,142 --> 00:28:38,182 It's our job to connect. 497 00:28:38,182 --> 00:28:43,382 That's why I keep saying network, connect, find a program, find someone who you can 498 00:28:43,382 --> 00:28:46,762 have confidential conversations with so you don't feel alone. 499 00:28:46,762 --> 00:28:49,032 Someone who will validate the fact that this is hard. 500 00:28:49,032 --> 00:28:49,722 It's frustrating. 501 00:28:49,722 --> 00:28:50,802 It's wrong. 502 00:28:50,802 --> 00:28:54,302 And that we're going to find a way through. 503 00:28:55,452 --> 00:28:57,942 Monty Williams used to be, I'm a big sports person. 504 00:28:57,942 --> 00:29:00,742 Monty Williams of the sons. 505 00:29:00,742 --> 00:29:02,894 He's no longer with us, but he's. 506 00:29:02,894 --> 00:29:08,294 disbeloved in this area and he used to say, everything you want's on the other 507 00:29:08,294 --> 00:29:09,514 side of heart. 508 00:29:09,984 --> 00:29:10,354 I love it. 509 00:29:10,354 --> 00:29:12,144 I encourage you to think about that. 510 00:29:12,144 --> 00:29:15,374 Everything you want is on the other side of heart. 511 00:29:15,374 --> 00:29:19,844 I can't tell you how many times I have had to say that to myself. 512 00:29:19,844 --> 00:29:24,274 So the only way to get from me to be is to go through. 513 00:29:24,274 --> 00:29:29,614 Now there's going to be a lot of avenues, but we have to go through it and figure 514 00:29:29,614 --> 00:29:31,174 out our way. 515 00:29:31,246 --> 00:29:35,426 have to go through it and for the listeners a reminder, a stark reminder 516 00:29:35,426 --> 00:29:41,146 that it's not about this whole linear space that we're gonna walk down. 517 00:29:41,146 --> 00:29:43,306 It is not a straight line. 518 00:29:43,306 --> 00:29:44,846 So, and it's okay. 519 00:29:44,846 --> 00:29:49,746 And it's okay to stop and start, take a breath, but do not call it a permanent 520 00:29:49,746 --> 00:29:49,986 stop. 521 00:29:49,986 --> 00:29:50,936 Call it a pause. 522 00:29:50,936 --> 00:29:51,616 That's what we'll do. 523 00:29:51,616 --> 00:29:54,726 We'll refer to it on a say more as a comma. 524 00:29:54,726 --> 00:29:57,586 We'll put commas, but we're certainly not putting periods. 525 00:29:57,586 --> 00:29:59,320 We are resilient. 526 00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:01,490 You know, can I add to that? 527 00:30:01,490 --> 00:30:02,030 Sure. 528 00:30:02,030 --> 00:30:05,410 You added about, you asked about one of the competencies or one of the 529 00:30:05,410 --> 00:30:08,450 ingredients, I think, when we're in communications or things that are 530 00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:11,330 happening and you made a great point that comma. 531 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:15,650 I say all the time, pause is your friend. 532 00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:19,390 Pause allows you to take a deep breath. 533 00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:20,850 It doesn't have to be a long pause. 534 00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:22,470 Take a deep breath. 535 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:25,314 Don't be reactive. 536 00:30:25,774 --> 00:30:29,934 Take a deep breath, figure out what you want to say and say it that way so you can 537 00:30:29,934 --> 00:30:33,893 articulate it and it can come out the way that when you walk away, you feel like I 538 00:30:33,893 --> 00:30:38,514 said what I wanted to say and it came out the way I wanted to say it, whether it's 539 00:30:38,514 --> 00:30:45,684 firm, more pleasant or critical, say it the way you want to say it. 540 00:30:45,684 --> 00:30:46,884 So it comes out that way. 541 00:30:46,884 --> 00:30:51,294 And I always say, when you're in somebody's presence, people need to walk 542 00:30:51,294 --> 00:30:52,824 away with their dignity intact. 543 00:30:52,824 --> 00:30:53,554 Yeah. 544 00:30:53,554 --> 00:30:53,966 They do. 545 00:30:53,966 --> 00:30:59,336 Dignity is huge and you need to be able to walk away with your dignity intact. 546 00:30:59,336 --> 00:31:04,086 I have stopped conversations after a pause and said, whoa, this is going in a 547 00:31:04,086 --> 00:31:05,996 direction that's not going to end well. 548 00:31:05,996 --> 00:31:10,205 I think both of us need to be taking a pause right now and coming back when we 549 00:31:10,205 --> 00:31:14,106 can have a very productive conversation. 550 00:31:14,606 --> 00:31:19,054 So don't be afraid to stop the conversation and say, mm, I'm not ready. 551 00:31:19,054 --> 00:31:23,594 Engage right now in that I need some time and we can come back tomorrow and we can 552 00:31:23,594 --> 00:31:25,194 have this conversation. 553 00:31:25,974 --> 00:31:27,624 I love that. 554 00:31:27,624 --> 00:31:33,054 I believe that we're going to break some chains and open some doors of freedom on 555 00:31:33,054 --> 00:31:37,814 this for a lot of people that's listening and experiencing these things that again, 556 00:31:37,814 --> 00:31:42,814 I wanted to make a point of creating awareness and I think not only awareness, 557 00:31:42,814 --> 00:31:44,774 but a game plan and strategy. 558 00:31:44,774 --> 00:31:47,754 So we've talked about some of those strategies today. 559 00:31:47,754 --> 00:31:48,398 So. 560 00:31:48,398 --> 00:31:52,918 when it comes to, because I'm certain this comes up, whether men or women, but we're 561 00:31:52,918 --> 00:31:58,898 talking about women would say more, how have you encouraged or coached folks about 562 00:31:58,898 --> 00:32:06,218 navigating career advancement, negotiation, all of those things that you 563 00:32:06,218 --> 00:32:08,728 want to get to that job? 564 00:32:08,728 --> 00:32:12,238 And then I hear a lot of women that, well, I took the job and they didn't offer me a 565 00:32:12,238 --> 00:32:13,698 raise to do it. 566 00:32:13,698 --> 00:32:17,278 And then someone else came in and they're making more than everybody. 567 00:32:17,638 --> 00:32:18,158 How? 568 00:32:18,158 --> 00:32:22,198 What are those conversations that you're having about advancement and negotiation 569 00:32:22,198 --> 00:32:25,517 and trade -offs and what, what, yeah. 570 00:32:25,898 --> 00:32:29,478 Set your boundaries and stick to them. 571 00:32:29,478 --> 00:32:30,078 Yeah. 572 00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:34,998 You know, I know I've said this before is that there are things we don't have 573 00:32:34,998 --> 00:32:36,018 control over. 574 00:32:36,018 --> 00:32:41,558 So if there are specific pay scales, you know, I mentioned compensation inequities 575 00:32:41,558 --> 00:32:43,948 that are absolutely real in the work environment. 576 00:32:43,948 --> 00:32:46,138 I've experienced that. 577 00:32:46,138 --> 00:32:47,598 I experienced that. 578 00:32:47,598 --> 00:32:51,798 in my senior leadership role, when I interviewed and was offered, unanimously 579 00:32:51,798 --> 00:32:58,078 selected, and was offered the position, it was significantly lower than I said that 580 00:32:58,078 --> 00:32:59,558 we had negotiated. 581 00:32:59,558 --> 00:33:00,678 It was lower. 582 00:33:00,678 --> 00:33:03,698 And I thanked them and I declined. 583 00:33:03,758 --> 00:33:07,468 I knew exactly what I was doing. 584 00:33:07,468 --> 00:33:12,018 Now, I'm not saying to other women out there, excuse me, that you should, if 585 00:33:12,018 --> 00:33:13,688 you're given a position, you should decline it. 586 00:33:13,688 --> 00:33:16,298 I'm talking about my personal experience. 587 00:33:17,774 --> 00:33:24,214 So I did decline and they asked why and I said, I'm not going to negotiate this with 588 00:33:24,214 --> 00:33:24,394 you. 589 00:33:24,394 --> 00:33:26,974 This is not a matter of negotiation. 590 00:33:26,974 --> 00:33:31,934 This was set in stone prior to my accepting the interview process. 591 00:33:31,934 --> 00:33:32,634 Yeah. 592 00:33:32,634 --> 00:33:36,634 And we are not going to, if you're not going to honor in good faith what we have 593 00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:42,014 already talked about, then I can't do this and I won't do this. 594 00:33:42,614 --> 00:33:46,766 And I am, I'm not in my twenties anymore. 595 00:33:46,766 --> 00:33:53,586 I'm much more competent and confident in my own skin. 596 00:33:53,586 --> 00:33:55,396 I don't think I wouldn't. 597 00:33:55,396 --> 00:33:56,266 I know I wouldn't. 598 00:33:56,266 --> 00:33:59,196 I wouldn't have done that in my 20s or my 30s. 599 00:33:59,196 --> 00:34:06,386 And so with age comes wisdom, comes experience, comes how I want to be seen, 600 00:34:06,386 --> 00:34:08,166 how I see myself. 601 00:34:08,166 --> 00:34:13,406 And so I do, I encourage all leaders, stand up for yourself. 602 00:34:13,406 --> 00:34:16,590 If you can't be your own voice, 603 00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:18,110 who's going to. 604 00:34:18,110 --> 00:34:25,950 And so I'm working with women, with leaders, stand up, have that conversation, 605 00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:29,710 sitting in silence does no one any good. 606 00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:32,430 Speak your truth, speak it. 607 00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:33,500 Speak your truth. 608 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:38,030 And I tell people, I said, whether you're a CEO outwardly and you care that title, 609 00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:42,250 you are the CEO of you and yourself and your future. 610 00:34:42,490 --> 00:34:43,910 So it starts there. 611 00:34:43,910 --> 00:34:45,590 It does, it starts with you. 612 00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:46,511 Yeah. 613 00:34:46,511 --> 00:34:51,771 Could you share a success story or achievement of JBR leadership that you are 614 00:34:51,771 --> 00:34:55,931 particularly proud of and how this accomplishment really positively impacted 615 00:34:55,931 --> 00:34:58,531 the women that this program serves? 616 00:34:58,531 --> 00:35:02,091 And not to mention again, it is all inclusive, but in particular for this 617 00:35:02,091 --> 00:35:03,591 conversation, women. 618 00:35:03,591 --> 00:35:07,231 Yeah, you know, I think about that. 619 00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:13,811 The organization I started almost five years ago and I kind of thought, what 620 00:35:13,811 --> 00:35:15,044 happened? 621 00:35:15,086 --> 00:35:17,006 What success story? 622 00:35:17,006 --> 00:35:22,846 And as I listen to the people that I've coached and the training programs that I 623 00:35:22,846 --> 00:35:26,566 have been in, I hear this word life -changing. 624 00:35:26,566 --> 00:35:33,726 I can't believe I was this far into my career, and yet this discovery of self has 625 00:35:33,726 --> 00:35:35,106 been so profound. 626 00:35:35,106 --> 00:35:39,186 This is life -changing in how I'm going to move forward. 627 00:35:39,186 --> 00:35:43,534 And if I can take us back to something that... 628 00:35:43,534 --> 00:35:47,124 is in my home that I see every single day. 629 00:35:47,124 --> 00:35:48,584 It's predominantly placed. 630 00:35:48,584 --> 00:35:53,714 It is a picture that was painted and given to my husband and I the day of our 631 00:35:53,714 --> 00:35:54,304 wedding. 632 00:35:54,304 --> 00:36:01,994 It was painted by one of my former students, a Latina student who was in my 633 00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:03,434 sixth grade class. 634 00:36:03,434 --> 00:36:05,434 And this is how it came to be. 635 00:36:05,434 --> 00:36:09,414 And I look back and think, this is my inspiration. 636 00:36:09,414 --> 00:36:11,022 This is, this is. 637 00:36:11,022 --> 00:36:14,102 why I want to continue to pay it forward. 638 00:36:14,102 --> 00:36:18,122 Is this student first generation going to college? 639 00:36:18,122 --> 00:36:21,502 You know, and I didn't, I didn't know this until recently. 640 00:36:21,822 --> 00:36:25,202 I have a friend in another town that I lived in and she was coming to the wedding 641 00:36:25,202 --> 00:36:27,202 and she asked me, I want to get you something. 642 00:36:27,202 --> 00:36:28,462 What can I get you? 643 00:36:28,462 --> 00:36:34,582 And I said, I'd like something that will remind me of my past, but inspire my 644 00:36:34,582 --> 00:36:35,282 future. 645 00:36:35,282 --> 00:36:36,122 That's what I said. 646 00:36:36,122 --> 00:36:37,042 And she's like, really? 647 00:36:37,042 --> 00:36:38,882 Could you make it any more different? 648 00:36:39,726 --> 00:36:40,566 Will you ask? 649 00:36:40,566 --> 00:36:41,946 What is that? 650 00:36:41,946 --> 00:36:42,396 Yeah. 651 00:36:42,396 --> 00:36:49,146 One of my former students saw a picture of my husband and I on her desk and she said, 652 00:36:49,146 --> 00:36:51,986 my goodness, that was my sixth grade teacher. 653 00:36:51,986 --> 00:36:52,986 I love her. 654 00:36:52,986 --> 00:36:58,006 I went to college because I was in her class and she made me believe that I 655 00:36:58,006 --> 00:36:58,966 could. 656 00:36:59,246 --> 00:37:05,706 And so she says, I'm an artist now and I would love to do something for her. 657 00:37:05,706 --> 00:37:09,646 And my friend said, my goodness, this is going to resemble her past. 658 00:37:09,646 --> 00:37:11,746 and inspire her for her future. 659 00:37:11,746 --> 00:37:18,166 The day of my husband and I getting married, my friend gave this to me and 660 00:37:18,166 --> 00:37:20,096 there was a note on the back and it's still there. 661 00:37:20,096 --> 00:37:25,066 It hangs predominantly in my home with a note on the back and it said, I believe in 662 00:37:25,066 --> 00:37:27,046 myself because you believed in me. 663 00:37:27,206 --> 00:37:32,106 And you know, there is no greater inspiration than to hear some of those 664 00:37:32,106 --> 00:37:38,766 words and some of those thoughts and see another woman in another culture. 665 00:37:39,598 --> 00:37:46,398 make something of themselves and follow the path because somebody believed in them 666 00:37:46,398 --> 00:37:47,068 along the way. 667 00:37:47,068 --> 00:37:49,578 That's what JBR stands for. 668 00:37:49,578 --> 00:37:52,118 I believe that wholeheartedly. 669 00:37:52,118 --> 00:37:55,258 It is about investing and paying it forward. 670 00:37:55,258 --> 00:37:57,218 So what a beautiful story. 671 00:37:57,218 --> 00:38:01,658 And I know one that you'll always cherish, but I think our listeners will be thinking 672 00:38:01,658 --> 00:38:02,378 about that too. 673 00:38:02,378 --> 00:38:05,738 And it is, I think it's a great reflection point for the listeners to think about, 674 00:38:05,738 --> 00:38:06,222 you know. 675 00:38:06,222 --> 00:38:08,792 Who's been that person for you in your life? 676 00:38:08,792 --> 00:38:13,842 And then how can you be that for someone else that, you know, may not even know 677 00:38:13,842 --> 00:38:18,482 that they need that kind of help or support, but that you're able to do that. 678 00:38:18,482 --> 00:38:22,922 And that's by validating and doing, providing that positive reinforcement. 679 00:38:22,922 --> 00:38:27,522 So Rose, when you think about, you know, being a leader and an advocate for 680 00:38:27,522 --> 00:38:30,510 empowerment, what advice would you give to women who are. 681 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:34,490 striving to break through the barriers and advance in their careers. 682 00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:38,690 I mean, you've given some great ones along the way, but you know, I will tell you, 683 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:42,790 you know, one thought is that for those that are in the thick of it right now, 684 00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:46,600 what kind of advice would you give to them? 685 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,550 You know, what are two things that they might want to think about? 686 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:52,670 Show up as yourself, of course, is what I said. 687 00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:54,250 Be prepared. 688 00:38:54,350 --> 00:38:55,840 Just really be prepared. 689 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,846 You know, I have. 690 00:38:56,846 --> 00:39:00,726 My father used to say that to me all the time, you gotta be prepared. 691 00:39:00,726 --> 00:39:02,666 I mean, I could think about this in my sleep. 692 00:39:02,666 --> 00:39:03,676 Be prepared for what? 693 00:39:03,676 --> 00:39:05,266 I didn't know. 694 00:39:05,406 --> 00:39:07,096 But just be prepared. 695 00:39:07,096 --> 00:39:09,986 So there are gonna be some things that are gonna go your way and some things that are 696 00:39:09,986 --> 00:39:10,626 not. 697 00:39:10,626 --> 00:39:13,466 And it's hard to be prepared for everything. 698 00:39:13,586 --> 00:39:17,546 But if you're prepared, that means when things don't go your way, you have a 699 00:39:17,546 --> 00:39:21,466 support system to lean on, to draw on, to help you through. 700 00:39:21,466 --> 00:39:26,662 The other thing that I really wanna mention is that, 701 00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:33,158 There are going to be some defining moments for you and honor them. 702 00:39:33,158 --> 00:39:35,418 Honor those defining moments. 703 00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:42,418 One of the defining moments of my life is around mental health. 704 00:39:42,418 --> 00:39:46,938 You know, everyone has mental health and the state of well -being impacts all of us 705 00:39:46,938 --> 00:39:47,978 in a lot of different ways. 706 00:39:47,978 --> 00:39:53,818 So for your listeners, for your viewers, I don't want you to think that you're seeing 707 00:39:53,818 --> 00:39:56,366 a woman here that's had this path. 708 00:39:56,366 --> 00:40:02,666 to success, there have been some significant challenges that I have had to 709 00:40:02,666 --> 00:40:04,266 work through and overcome. 710 00:40:04,266 --> 00:40:09,506 And so when you think about mental health, we all experience different wellbeing 711 00:40:09,506 --> 00:40:16,906 issues and possibly some, a mental health disorder in some way, and how we choose to 712 00:40:16,906 --> 00:40:17,346 address that. 713 00:40:17,346 --> 00:40:21,906 Many of us have coping strategies because we're stressed or because there are some 714 00:40:21,906 --> 00:40:23,316 significant issues. 715 00:40:23,316 --> 00:40:26,222 We cope in healthy ways and in unhealthy ways. 716 00:40:26,222 --> 00:40:32,442 Mine was an eating disorder that stemmed from a lifetime of being perfect, trying 717 00:40:32,442 --> 00:40:38,642 to be perfect, restrictive behaviors that dealt with anxiety. 718 00:40:38,642 --> 00:40:43,082 And I coped in ways that at sometimes were not healthy. 719 00:40:43,082 --> 00:40:49,702 And to have a group of women come around and support me was a defining moment in my 720 00:40:49,702 --> 00:40:50,302 life. 721 00:40:50,302 --> 00:40:55,758 And I decided at that point that I was going to be a defining moment. 722 00:40:55,758 --> 00:40:58,118 in somebody else's life. 723 00:40:58,118 --> 00:41:04,598 And so I encourage you listening, I encourage you, regardless of gender, that 724 00:41:04,598 --> 00:41:09,698 there is somebody out there that's close to you that may be struggling. 725 00:41:09,698 --> 00:41:17,134 Notice, pay attention, listen, hear what maybe they don't even want you to hear. 726 00:41:17,134 --> 00:41:19,994 That is so, so important in our day and age. 727 00:41:19,994 --> 00:41:21,414 It's incredibly important. 728 00:41:21,414 --> 00:41:23,114 Change is happening rapidly. 729 00:41:23,114 --> 00:41:24,514 We can't keep up with it. 730 00:41:24,514 --> 00:41:25,634 Things are evolving. 731 00:41:25,634 --> 00:41:27,854 There's so much competition out there. 732 00:41:27,854 --> 00:41:29,354 There's hurt. 733 00:41:29,354 --> 00:41:32,074 There's not as much support as there should be. 734 00:41:32,074 --> 00:41:36,934 Listen, find out what's not being said. 735 00:41:36,934 --> 00:41:38,064 Pay attention. 736 00:41:38,064 --> 00:41:39,894 Be prepared. 737 00:41:39,894 --> 00:41:40,744 Validate. 738 00:41:40,744 --> 00:41:41,384 Encourage. 739 00:41:41,384 --> 00:41:43,034 Have that conversation. 740 00:41:43,034 --> 00:41:46,094 Allow people to show up as themselves. 741 00:41:46,094 --> 00:41:47,054 And... 742 00:41:47,054 --> 00:41:52,054 really find a place or a person that they can start to heal with. 743 00:41:52,854 --> 00:41:58,794 Rose, you have, you know, really made my heart smile with this conversation. 744 00:41:58,794 --> 00:42:01,384 And hopefully our listeners can get a visual of that. 745 00:42:01,384 --> 00:42:05,954 This, you know, picture of this in your head of, of not only being transparent, 746 00:42:05,954 --> 00:42:11,054 but showing both the vulnerability that goes along with this path, but also the 747 00:42:11,054 --> 00:42:13,102 strength that you can arrive at. 748 00:42:13,102 --> 00:42:19,062 And oftentimes, and I'll say even in your case, it came by way of pouring into other 749 00:42:19,062 --> 00:42:21,702 people and you are still inspired. 750 00:42:21,702 --> 00:42:26,162 And that is what you, what's led you to not only what I call your professional 751 00:42:26,162 --> 00:42:30,322 career, but then even what you've personalized and now by creating JBR 752 00:42:30,322 --> 00:42:32,022 leadership to do. 753 00:42:32,022 --> 00:42:35,842 And I think that's, you know, when we think, you know, when we're going through 754 00:42:35,842 --> 00:42:37,552 it, you can't see this far. 755 00:42:37,552 --> 00:42:40,912 And if we had the crystal ball, my goodness, wouldn't it be amazing? 756 00:42:40,912 --> 00:42:42,734 You're like, okay, it's worth it. 757 00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:43,614 But you can't. 758 00:42:43,614 --> 00:42:49,294 And that's why it's so important that we have not only those that are in our 759 00:42:49,294 --> 00:42:52,194 corner, but look, seek those opportunities out. 760 00:42:52,194 --> 00:42:56,874 If they're not there in front of you, seek some out because I promise you, there are 761 00:42:56,874 --> 00:43:01,934 people just like Rose, just like myself, that's willing to invest in you. 762 00:43:01,934 --> 00:43:03,834 So Rose, Rose, thank you for sharing that. 763 00:43:03,834 --> 00:43:08,494 And we're, we have one other question and that is really kind of looking ahead. 764 00:43:08,494 --> 00:43:13,434 What are your aspirations for the future of JBR leadership? 765 00:43:13,434 --> 00:43:15,474 And then, you know what, let's make it two. 766 00:43:15,474 --> 00:43:16,794 Kind of what's the legacy? 767 00:43:16,794 --> 00:43:19,354 What do you want your legacy to be around this? 768 00:43:19,354 --> 00:43:22,334 So what do you see for the future of JBR? 769 00:43:22,334 --> 00:43:25,654 And then what would you like that legacy to be? 770 00:43:26,574 --> 00:43:31,694 You know, I think if you've listened to this long, you could probably pretty much 771 00:43:31,694 --> 00:43:34,574 predict what I'm gonna say in terms of my legacy. 772 00:43:34,574 --> 00:43:38,246 And people say it, and I don't think they understand. 773 00:43:38,478 --> 00:43:42,278 exactly what they mean by it, but I do, I want to make a difference. 774 00:43:42,278 --> 00:43:46,058 I was put here to make a difference and that's what I want to do. 775 00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:51,118 And if it's helping women, if it's helping children, if it's helping new and emerging 776 00:43:51,118 --> 00:43:56,878 leaders, experienced leaders, CEOs, you know, whoever comes in my path, I want to 777 00:43:56,878 --> 00:44:01,438 be a force of positivity, realistic positivity, but I want to be a force for 778 00:44:01,438 --> 00:44:04,178 positivity, for inspiration. 779 00:44:04,598 --> 00:44:08,238 When someone says, you know, working with you has changed my life, 780 00:44:08,238 --> 00:44:13,458 That's that's payday, you know, you don't need to send in the fee for consulting or 781 00:44:13,458 --> 00:44:18,718 anything That's pretty much that covers it because they're gonna go out and they're 782 00:44:18,718 --> 00:44:24,218 gonna pay it forward Have you ever been in a Starbucks line or a coffee line or human 783 00:44:24,218 --> 00:44:28,818 being line wherever you get your coffee or your Frappuccino or whatever it is you get 784 00:44:28,818 --> 00:44:33,738 and you get up to the window and someone says the person in front of you has paid 785 00:44:33,738 --> 00:44:36,798 for your that's paid forward it's 786 00:44:38,126 --> 00:44:42,766 That's the legacy that I would like to leave is that I paid it forward. 787 00:44:42,766 --> 00:44:46,526 And then I was a part of something. 788 00:44:46,526 --> 00:44:52,646 You know, some of the things that I do want to share is that we're in a rapidly 789 00:44:52,646 --> 00:44:54,426 changing environment. 790 00:44:54,426 --> 00:45:00,746 And I don't believe that many people understand what change actually is, this 791 00:45:00,746 --> 00:45:01,776 cycle of change. 792 00:45:01,776 --> 00:45:07,822 And so when I work with my clients, go out and I train or I coach, 793 00:45:07,822 --> 00:45:14,762 I make sure that people understand that when the status quo changes, disruption 794 00:45:14,762 --> 00:45:15,582 occurs. 795 00:45:15,582 --> 00:45:20,102 And so if you're in a leadership position or you aspire to be in a leadership 796 00:45:20,102 --> 00:45:24,642 position or something is happening within your role and the status quo changes, 797 00:45:24,642 --> 00:45:30,762 there will be disruption and people either withdraw or they push back. 798 00:45:30,762 --> 00:45:35,374 My recommendation is try to find a way to dance with people. 799 00:45:35,374 --> 00:45:39,714 Find a way to sway to the music and dance with people. 800 00:45:39,714 --> 00:45:44,294 And you do that by showing up through conversations, collaborations, 801 00:45:44,654 --> 00:45:51,453 adaptations, whatever it is, because people decide for themselves when change 802 00:45:51,453 --> 00:45:52,374 happens. 803 00:45:52,374 --> 00:45:53,814 They decide when to change. 804 00:45:53,814 --> 00:45:55,664 The change has to become your own. 805 00:45:55,664 --> 00:45:59,118 And so when I say, yes, I see myself in this change, 806 00:45:59,118 --> 00:46:03,458 Then I move over into these strategies that help me adopt it. 807 00:46:03,458 --> 00:46:07,138 And I cry and I fail and I skin my knee and I get back up. 808 00:46:07,138 --> 00:46:13,098 I put a bandaid on, I figure out a new path until the new way becomes the way 809 00:46:13,098 --> 00:46:14,648 that I feel comfortable in. 810 00:46:14,648 --> 00:46:17,458 And this happens all the time, multiple times. 811 00:46:17,458 --> 00:46:22,278 So if you're a woman and you're getting back into the workforce, status quo has 812 00:46:22,278 --> 00:46:22,508 changed. 813 00:46:22,508 --> 00:46:23,878 You're going to be disrupted. 814 00:46:23,878 --> 00:46:25,550 If you're a... 815 00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:30,550 married woman and you may be getting going through divorce or separation status quo 816 00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:31,210 has changed. 817 00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:32,630 There's going to be issues. 818 00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:38,030 If we understand this we may get to dance quicker. 819 00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:38,730 Yes. 820 00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:44,150 And work through it and figure out how to find support so we can begin then to deal 821 00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:49,370 with this new process because we don't want to stay in failure and we don't want 822 00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:50,970 to go back to status quo. 823 00:46:50,970 --> 00:46:52,670 We want to find new innovative ways. 824 00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:55,342 So that would be my piece of encouragement. 825 00:46:55,342 --> 00:46:58,502 along the course of your situation. 826 00:46:58,682 --> 00:47:05,602 I love that because what you just shared again, without saying it, is that your 827 00:47:05,602 --> 00:47:11,502 experience and where you are, it really is going to dictate kind of what and how you 828 00:47:11,502 --> 00:47:16,542 process these things like change and like where you're meeting life on this career 829 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:17,102 journey. 830 00:47:17,102 --> 00:47:19,694 So be okay with that, but. 831 00:47:19,694 --> 00:47:24,734 There's also some helpful tips that we're hoping that will accelerate that dance 832 00:47:24,734 --> 00:47:25,634 movement. 833 00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:29,354 Because here's the great thing about life's lessons. 834 00:47:29,354 --> 00:47:33,514 We don't want you to have to repeat any unnecessarily. 835 00:47:33,514 --> 00:47:37,994 If you can learn from someone else, learn from our conversations, then that's 836 00:47:37,994 --> 00:47:40,094 exactly what we want you to do. 837 00:47:40,094 --> 00:47:44,384 And Rose, you have been awe inspiring. 838 00:47:44,626 --> 00:47:47,866 I felt like I learned so much. 839 00:47:47,866 --> 00:47:50,746 I felt like I had my own private session. 840 00:47:50,746 --> 00:47:55,186 I love it that I got to share with all my listener friends. 841 00:47:55,326 --> 00:47:57,926 So thank you for the conversation. 842 00:47:57,926 --> 00:48:04,006 Know again, that just like with Workforce Insights, we invite you back often to the 843 00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:06,326 Say More podcast listeners. 844 00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:09,602 Again, just such a powerful conversation. 845 00:48:09,602 --> 00:48:10,582 Say more listeners. 846 00:48:10,582 --> 00:48:12,002 Thank you for joining us today. 847 00:48:12,002 --> 00:48:18,302 Thank you 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