1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,120 Welcome to NoOffice, a podcast about work, technology and life from a remote company perspective. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:15,120 In Nozbe, we believe that work is not a place to go, it is a thing that you do. That is why, 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:23,840 since 2007, we run our company 100% remotely. In Nozbe, there is NoOffice. 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:30,480 The NoOffice podcast is sponsored by Nozbe teams, a to-do app that helps modern teams 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:31,880 do great things. 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,800 Go to Nozbe.com to learn more. 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,120 Don't cram plenty of people on Zoom. 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,120 We're a simulated office all day long. 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,640 You know, you probably are going to work from home. 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,560 Hello and welcome to NoOffice, a podcast about work technology in life from a remote company 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,680 perspective. 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,000 My name is Rafal Sobolewski and as always, 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,040 I'm joined by CEO of our new office company Nozbe 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,840 and my good friend, Michael Sliwinski. 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Hello, Michael. 16 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,000 Well, I usually ask you, how are you? 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,820 But since- 18 00:01:03,820 --> 00:01:04,660 - Anxious. 19 00:01:04,660 --> 00:01:06,400 - Yeah, anxious, anxious, me too. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,840 Yeah, we are recording this episode 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,900 like one week after the last one 22 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:14,300 because in the following week, I will be away 23 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:17,700 and we will mention some important topics today. 24 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:22,260 So we decided to publish it right away in this week. 25 00:01:22,260 --> 00:01:25,340 So after that, there will be three weeks break. 26 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:26,180 - Yes. 27 00:01:26,180 --> 00:01:27,540 - So yeah, and we feel anxious. 28 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:32,100 So please forgive us if the quality of this episode 29 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:34,340 will be slightly worse because yeah. 30 00:01:34,340 --> 00:01:39,700 Yeah, talking English right now is, yeah. 31 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,860 But as you can hear. 32 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:42,960 All right. 33 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:48,800 Michael, we feel like we need to talk about Ukraine. I mean it's been exactly a 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:55,040 week. Today is Thursday, so it's been exactly one week when Russians, 35 00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:03,400 Putin's Russia invaded and attacked a sovereign country of Ukraine. So yes, and 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:10,320 started a war. So yes, it's been exactly a week and because we are Polish and if 37 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,280 look at the map of Europe. Poland is right next to Ukraine and right next to 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,080 Russia as well. And Belarus, which Belarus is basically Russia. And you will see 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,280 that we are very close. These are our next door neighbors and our 40 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:31,240 next door neighbors are at war. Ukraine was invaded, was attacked ruthlessly by 41 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:38,220 Russia and now as we speak civilians are dying in Ukraine. So yes, we are very 42 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:44,440 anxious. We are very scared because we are afraid this might escalate to a 43 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,680 bigger war and we're also afraid because you know we fear for our 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,340 Ukrainian brothers and sisters because they're dying and defending their 45 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:57,260 country. This is completely pointless. Like war is completely pointless and 46 00:02:57,260 --> 00:03:00,960 Mr. Putin is a son of a you know what. 47 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:09,840 Yeah, we want to talk about this because we are both from Poland and this is an international 48 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:19,600 podcast so we might bring some more light to this for our foreign listeners. And maybe even, 49 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:26,800 I hope, that we have like one or two downloads per episode in Russia. So maybe we will get there 50 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,640 with some proper information, not Putin's propaganda. 51 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,520 We will be talking also about what we can do as Nozbe. 52 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,400 And one of the things that I did was record a video, which is on Nozbe blog. 53 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,600 And the thing is that what I said there is that Russians are also close to us. 54 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,120 They are very good friends. 55 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,960 I have many friends in Russia and they are very good people, but they're not free. 56 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:55,520 They are ruled by a ruthless dictator named Putin and he is brainwashing them. 57 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,880 and many good Russians, good people in Russia, intelligent people in Russia still believe that 58 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:08,720 Russia is right now saving Ukraine. It's going there to save them instead of attacking them and 59 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:16,480 just starting a war. So that's why we want to make it clear there is no new ones. Ukraine is 60 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:23,280 a free country that wanted also to be a part of EU just like Poland and NATO just like Poland. So 61 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:29,440 It's not like Ukraine had some big demands on from the world. It wanted to be free and to just live and prosper. 62 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:35,840 That's it. And Putin didn't like it and because he's son of a... You know what? He just decided to attack. 63 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:42,400 And that's why it's really important for Russians to believe that, to understand that. Some of them do. Like they are on the streets 64 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:49,840 opposing war in Saint Petersburg, in Moscow, in many cities and they are being detained by police. Also ruthlessly. 65 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,360 Yeah, but the number of them is too low. 66 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,960 Yeah, but I mean, just look... 67 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:01,520 It's easy for police to arrest them, but if there were like 100,000s of people on the street, 68 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,840 that would be impossible to arrest all of them. 69 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:05,040 Exactly. But the thing is... 70 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,160 Yeah, they need to act. 71 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Yes, Russians need to act. So our Russian brothers and sisters, 72 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,120 you need to get your act together. Putin should not be your leader anymore. 73 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:18,960 And that's why... But think about it. It's been 20 years of Putin's rule. 74 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:26,240 like after 20 years of brainwashing you believe anything man like it's propaganda is you know like 75 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,360 it's this thing that when you repeat a certain lie several times it just stops being a lie it just 76 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,120 becomes you know the status quo i feel for it i have one of my best russian friends he lives in 77 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,640 belgium and i talked to him recently and he said that for him it's so painful to go to russia to 78 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,280 visit his family and friends because they just chit chat about you know meaningless topics because 79 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:53,280 Because the moment they step on something meaningful, he just cannot believe that they're brainwashed so much. 80 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:56,280 You know? Like we, from the West, we don't realize that. 81 00:05:56,280 --> 00:06:03,280 The problem with the Western countries was that we were tolerating Putin for just 20 years. 82 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:06,280 And because we're tolerating him, he thinks he can do anything now. 83 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:11,280 Yeah, that's many different factors of this Western world. 84 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:18,000 Yes, there is this currency in Ukraine, there is classical war right now, but there is also 85 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,120 happening information war in the internet. 86 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Exactly. 87 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,120 Yeah, it's very important. 88 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,720 If you are interested in this topic and you want to learn more, please try to find on 89 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,500 Twitter or only verified journalist with the political background who knows the reasons 90 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:37,780 of the war, et cetera, et cetera, and can explain you more about that. 91 00:06:37,780 --> 00:06:46,180 because it's very important to not to retweet, to forward random videos on the internet from 92 00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:55,300 Ukraine that are not yet verified by Reuters or other press agencies because there are many, 93 00:06:55,300 --> 00:07:02,980 many Putin trolls in the internet that produce this information. And they tried already in 94 00:07:02,980 --> 00:07:10,540 Poland they tried with giving us a panic about that gas, the petrol 95 00:07:10,540 --> 00:07:16,820 station will be out of petrol. And it was for two days because of 96 00:07:16,820 --> 00:07:21,420 this panic that people started to... - Self-fulfilling prophecy. 97 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:27,060 - Later there was problem with the cash machines. - Yes, everybody was lined up for 98 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:35,240 ATMs. Yeah, but it's lasted for a day. There's no real danger. The danger is that we start 99 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:41,920 panicking. Putin wants us, as we are Poland and we are helping Ukrainians a lot, Putin 100 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:48,240 and Russian throughout the internet will try to give us a conflict, internal conflicts, 101 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:54,240 and spread disinformation. We really need to stay calm and do our thing. 102 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,800 Because, you know, he, like, dictators, they lead with fear. 103 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,600 That's the only weapon they have, 104 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,200 and that's the strongest weapon they have, fear. 105 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,560 They want us to be afraid. 106 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,220 They want us Polish people to be afraid to help Ukraine. 107 00:08:08,220 --> 00:08:11,000 They want the West to be afraid of Ukraine. 108 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,040 I don't want to continue with politics anymore, 109 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,960 but just like yesterday evening, 110 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,600 when I was going to sleep, I was thinking, 111 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,520 like, why is NATO not, you know, getting involved? 112 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,180 And some, and then many people, 113 00:08:22,180 --> 00:08:25,460 and I asked it on Twitter and many people replied to me, 114 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:28,820 they cannot because Ukraine is not in NATO. 115 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:30,500 And I'm like, yes. 116 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:34,020 So who says what we can or cannot do? 117 00:08:34,020 --> 00:08:36,500 Because Putin doesn't know cannot. 118 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:39,540 He doesn't understand the phrase cannot. 119 00:08:39,540 --> 00:08:42,500 Like he understands whatever the F I want. 120 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:46,580 So that's why it's like the West cannot do this. 121 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:47,420 Why? 122 00:08:47,420 --> 00:08:52,020 So anyway, we have to remember, 123 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:56,620 Chinese governments, Russian governments, North Korean governments, like all these 124 00:08:56,620 --> 00:09:00,780 governments they don't play by the book, by the rules. They don't care about the 125 00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:05,180 rules. They do whatever they want and we need to remember that. Like 126 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:11,220 that's why I'm kind of annoyed that the Western society is so... it's 127 00:09:11,220 --> 00:09:16,660 like playing nice with Russia and China so much because they depend on them so 128 00:09:16,660 --> 00:09:20,500 much. That's why for example you know from the gadget perspective and from 129 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:26,020 Apple perspective. I'm so annoyed that Tim Cook puts all his eggs in the basket, in the Chinese basket, 130 00:09:26,020 --> 00:09:29,460 because this puts Apple at a disadvantage. 131 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:36,020 Yeah, this is the point because political class in Western Europe acted very well, I must say, 132 00:09:36,020 --> 00:09:44,420 not perfect, but very well to the situation within this week. But now, because of this information 133 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:52,820 war, like it's time for big tech's company to act now because actually the platforms are the reason 134 00:09:52,820 --> 00:10:01,460 why Putin was able to put himself in the position to attack Ukraine because of all the targeted ads 135 00:10:01,460 --> 00:10:09,780 and all the anti-vaccine accounts now became disinformation accounts about Ukraine situation 136 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:13,460 and situation in Poland also. 137 00:10:13,460 --> 00:10:19,300 Exactly. So now let's go to good stuff. Let's talk about good things. 138 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:23,620 Yeah, we had this meeting on Monday, a director's meeting, and we are thinking 139 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:30,580 what we as Nozbe could do to help our brothers and sisters in Ukraine. 140 00:10:30,580 --> 00:10:35,700 Okay, so we've already talked about how we do meetings in Nozbe, but I want us to 141 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:41,380 like quickly explain how it went down. So it went down that we were like sending 142 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:46,500 each other messages over the weekend thinking what we can do like just random messages actually 143 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:55,780 and then on Sunday evening I wrote up a proposal like an idea what we can do. I created a task for 144 00:10:55,780 --> 00:11:01,940 it, made a comment, mentioned everyone in the team, everyone just you know this is my proposal 145 00:11:01,940 --> 00:11:06,900 what we can do for Ukraine, let me know what you think. So by morning, by Monday morning, 146 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:13,220 where we have our director's meeting at 1030am, our director's coffee, we already had some thoughts, 147 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:17,540 and we already had this proposal, and we already had comments, you know, related to this proposal. 148 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:23,620 So it was, I think that that and that's why this meeting was kind of, you know, it was hard still 149 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:28,500 emotionally for us, but we was more, I think, effective, because we already had some ideas what 150 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:34,840 what we could do. I remember we wanted to... one idea was to put all the money we 151 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:41,760 have from Russian users to help Ukraine. So all the income from Russia 152 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:46,840 will be transferred to foundations for helping Ukraine, but we are no longer 153 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:53,400 able to charge Russian people. So that's... Yeah, I mean Stripe, which we 154 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:59,180 have as a backup a solution for still lets people pay with rubles which is 155 00:11:59,180 --> 00:12:05,760 weird. So if we have any revenue coming from Russia we will 156 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:14,040 directly, 100% of it, transfer to Ukraine causes. So don't worry, we'll 157 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,840 deal with this money, we'll make it clean and we won't be profiting from 158 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:26,800 from Russia and we are not doing any, you know, like we, you know, and the 159 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,440 people who are from Russia who will not be able to pay, well they will not be 160 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,740 able to pay, this is kind of our small sanction that we can do. You know, 161 00:12:35,740 --> 00:12:40,520 sanctions are, people say, are tricky, you know, it's like with sports people are 162 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:47,760 like, you know, are these sportsmen to blame for the war? And on 163 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,760 On one hand, you would say no because they are just sports people. 164 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:56,240 Like, what do they have to do with Russian politics? 165 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:05,600 But on the other hand, very often their sponsors are companies related to Putin, Gazprom, like all these other companies. 166 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,520 Like FIFA announced that Gazprom was one of the major sponsors. 167 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,280 And that's why FIFA had to make a tough decision. 168 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:24,200 and the same goes with Formula One. F1 has team sponsored by a major Russian company and having 169 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:32,760 a son of an oligarch who's Putin's buddy on the team. So it's like everything is connected to 170 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:39,400 Putin. I mean again it's Russian, it default lies both, I mean everywhere. First the West 171 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:45,480 tolerating Putin's Russia, but also within Russia, aligning yourself with the government, 172 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,720 aligning yourself with Putin. And that's why these sanctions are important. That's why these 173 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:58,360 sanctions should be imposed. And that's why I'm so proud of how social networks work. When FIFA said, 174 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,000 "No, we will just tell them to change their color," everybody was like, "No, we are not..." 175 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,240 And I loved it. 176 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,240 Polish national team was like, we are not playing Russia. 177 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,640 However they are named, we are not playing them. 178 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,080 We were supposed to play Russia by the end of the March 179 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,200 for the qualification to the World Cup. 180 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,160 And yeah, our team said we are not playing. 181 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,640 And I'm so proud of them. 182 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Yeah, so FIFA had two choices. 183 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,880 For example, announce Russia as the victor of the World 184 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,400 Championships because nobody will play them. 185 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,920 So they will be the victor or kick them out. 186 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,360 And I'm happy that they did it. 187 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,620 Still, like FIA, for example, 188 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:45,120 the management body of Formula One 189 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,320 is not banning Russian drivers 190 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,000 and Belarusian drivers, 191 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,280 because both Russia and Belarus, they're the same. 192 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,440 Like, so you have to, because Belarus is helping Russia. 193 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,200 Like, Belarus is basically a state in Russia right now. 194 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,560 It's not a country anymore. 195 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,480 So anyway, the FIA, the automotive, you know, 196 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,040 the big agency that rules all the races 197 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:14,040 said they didn't want to be brave enough 198 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,320 to announce that Belarusian and Russian drivers 199 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,840 should not drive anymore. 200 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,560 But then each country is saying, 201 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:22,720 we're not taking them in. 202 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,400 So for example, in the UK, 203 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,480 if they want to go to Silverstone, no dice, 204 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:27,800 because UK said, no, 205 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,160 we will not have any Russian or Belarusian drivers here. 206 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:37,300 So it's like, is this smaller, you know, the smaller countries, you know, branches of 207 00:15:37,300 --> 00:15:39,940 FIA are just saying nope. 208 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:45,160 So it's, I love this, the social pressure, the pressure from Twitter, from Facebook, 209 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,240 all this pressure, it's working, it's working. 210 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,500 So also, find this information is the first thing and second, keep putting on the pressure. 211 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:58,300 If FIA is doing something stupid, you know, keep tweeting about it. 212 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:05,980 telling them guys you're not brave enough. So I love it. The change that has happened within this 213 00:16:05,980 --> 00:16:13,500 you know short week was just amazing. Like from "ah we'll see" to "let's go". Yeah I'm proud of it too 214 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:21,820 and yeah let's go back what we can do as Nozbe. So we will be, I think we are working right now, 215 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:29,100 Ola is working on this Russian blog post about the situation. So we will push this blog post into 216 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:38,620 the app. So there is the way we can get to some Russian people to try to provide them with 217 00:16:38,620 --> 00:16:46,300 real information of Propaganda One so we can use our platform. It's of course, it's very small 218 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:54,140 number but still everyone comes. We are offering Nozbe premium for one year for free for 219 00:16:54,140 --> 00:16:59,820 all the Ukrainians. Yes and it doesn't matter if it's a personal account, if it's a corporate 220 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:06,140 company, it's an organization. If you're from Ukraine you get Nozbe for free for at least a year. 221 00:17:06,140 --> 00:17:12,460 Yes and the same goes to all the organizations that are helping Ukraine and that 222 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:19,580 fight against this information war in the internet. Yes, because right now I'm really proud of Polish 223 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:25,260 people. We are getting organized very quickly and you yourself are very involved as well. I am 224 00:17:25,260 --> 00:17:31,740 involved too here because I'm from afar coordinating this with our friends from 225 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:37,580 the Gdansk and with my mom, you know, with many people. So people in Poland are getting 226 00:17:37,580 --> 00:17:43,420 organized. So if you're a Polish team getting Ukrainian relief 227 00:17:43,420 --> 00:17:47,980 organized, you can get Nozbe for free, Nozbe Premium. So just drop us an email. 228 00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:52,540 If you check all these boxes, just drop us an email at support@nozbe.com 229 00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:57,280 and we will provide you with premium accounts, premium teams, to 230 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,500 be able to get organized, to be more organized, and to put everything there 231 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:06,540 and just make sure that everything goes to appropriate families, people, and all. 232 00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:10,940 We actually should do this earlier, but translating up to Ukrainian. 233 00:18:10,940 --> 00:18:15,500 Yes, we are working on this right now. 234 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:24,540 And we provided to our team additional days of vacation, like two days per month, 235 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:31,900 that can be spent on volunteer work for helping in all those foundations that 236 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:35,500 collect stuff for Ukraine. 237 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:38,940 this is a marathon not a sprint like we know that this war 238 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:42,780 might um it might be long it might be short we don't know 239 00:18:42,780 --> 00:18:47,340 but whatever happens our ukrainian brothers and sisters will need help 240 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:50,780 that's why we are giving this two additional extra days free 241 00:18:50,780 --> 00:18:55,100 every month for the you know entire entirety of this year at least 242 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:58,300 uh for our entire nosby team so that people can just you know 243 00:18:58,300 --> 00:19:01,900 if there is there are things to do in your local branch of people 244 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:05,260 helping ukraine you can just take the day off and just work there 245 00:19:05,260 --> 00:19:09,820 and just help out without sacrificing your personal vacation time. 246 00:19:09,820 --> 00:19:15,900 Yeah, and with nature of our work, you can take two hours each day, for example. 247 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:16,460 Exactly. 248 00:19:16,460 --> 00:19:26,380 Which is... Yeah, because I got involved because we have this new building in our district, 249 00:19:26,380 --> 00:19:30,220 like a center of local activity and... 250 00:19:30,220 --> 00:19:31,180 Community center. 251 00:19:31,180 --> 00:19:40,860 Community center. I'm the part of the local NGO who won a contract to operate this center. 252 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:50,140 And together with Foundation, we started working on collection stuff for you, Karen, 253 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:55,900 from local people. It's very, very tricky. It started on Sunday. 254 00:19:59,020 --> 00:20:10,540 the first two days was a total hack house. People were bringing everything and not all of the stuff 255 00:20:10,540 --> 00:20:21,260 was okay for giving to Ukrainian or sending to Ukraine. So we needed to sort it, to figure out 256 00:20:21,260 --> 00:20:27,500 some systems, etc. What is good that my fiancé also got involved and she has 257 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:35,020 experience, like eight years experience in working in the small warehouse because she works in this 258 00:20:35,020 --> 00:20:47,260 big fashion shop. Yeah, and she managed to organize some order, etc. And now we are, well, 259 00:20:48,620 --> 00:20:53,820 It's not perfect, of course, but there is more order, we can fit more stuff, 260 00:20:53,820 --> 00:21:01,260 and we know what we need, what we don't accept anymore, etc. And we update every day on social 261 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:08,460 media what people can bring to help, etc. Because like now, the top priority is to 262 00:21:08,460 --> 00:21:16,220 send as many stuff to Ukraine as we can, as long as it's possible to drive to Kyiv or 263 00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:26,860 other big cities. And that's very hard because we were witnesses of the people driving with big 264 00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:34,700 trucks to Ukraine and taking Ukrainians who lived in Poland for three, four years. They want to go 265 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:42,460 there and fight. And I cannot imagine how hard this decision is for them because they are leaving 266 00:21:42,460 --> 00:21:45,260 I think the guy was leaving his wife here. 267 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:49,940 He never, he has never been in the army, 268 00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:52,020 but he still wants to go there. 269 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:54,160 It's tough, man. 270 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,000 - Yeah. 271 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:55,840 - Oh. 272 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,740 (sighs) 273 00:21:56,740 --> 00:22:01,740 - I am anti-military, anti, I'm a pacifist, actually. 274 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:02,580 - Yeah, I think. 275 00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:03,820 - I am anti everything. 276 00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:06,300 - Me too, like I think weapons shouldn't exist, but. 277 00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:08,100 - Yes, but when you're being attacked, 278 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:10,540 you have to defend yourself, and that's the thing. 279 00:22:10,540 --> 00:22:12,580 And I do believe in self-defense. 280 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:15,560 I was a karate champion. 281 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,540 So I know that self-defense is important. 282 00:22:18,540 --> 00:22:21,980 You mustn't attack, but you must defend yourself 283 00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:23,040 if you're being attacked. 284 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,760 And I still, it's hard for me to process 285 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,320 that now in 21st century, we have to deal with this stuff. 286 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,580 Here, the free Europe, free world has this 287 00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:35,800 at their doorstep. 288 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,760 and with the threat of escalation. 289 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,940 So, you know, it's really hard. 290 00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:48,140 So I'm really proud of our Ukrainian brothers and sisters. 291 00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:50,780 Like they are fighting like crazy. 292 00:22:50,780 --> 00:22:54,340 - They are so brave and I just, 293 00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:58,720 I'm so pissed off for myself because I have like, 294 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,360 not close, but I have some family in Ukraine 295 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:02,720 and I've never been there. 296 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,560 And- 297 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,840 - Now they're a bit too kind as well. 298 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,120 I want to go there as soon as war is over. 299 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,760 I am going there. 300 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,560 I want to learn Ukraine. 301 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,560 And yeah, because now I've met many people from Ukraine 302 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,920 within this week. 303 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:24,960 But still, as I said, as you can hear, 304 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,380 that there are many emotions there, 305 00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:31,000 but still there are many positive emotions there 306 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,240 because people are so grateful for our help. 307 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:40,240 and working together to helping people, it's so satisfying. 308 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,220 And even talking to people how... 309 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:47,920 Because if you want to help, if you want to bring some stuff to those collection centers, 310 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:54,160 it's always better to bring one big boxes of one type of product than one big box of 311 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,800 20, 30 products, because it's so much easier to sort it, to prepare everything ready to 312 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:09,440 sent to Ukraine or to give to Ukrainian people who are refugees from the war and they will 313 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,160 start living here in Poland, in many cities. 314 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,240 Yes, we want to help them as well. 315 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:21,800 And yeah, we actually have one woman there who is Polish and Russian. 316 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,800 She has two passports. 317 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,780 Also, she has family in Ukraine. 318 00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:34,420 And she cannot speak to family in Russia because her family in Russia is brainwashed. 319 00:24:34,420 --> 00:24:41,020 And they hate her because she is helping Ukrainians. 320 00:24:41,020 --> 00:24:47,740 Actually, she cannot go to Russia right now because she can go to jail for 10 or 12 years 321 00:24:47,740 --> 00:24:49,340 because of helping Ukrainians. 322 00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:50,340 Yeah. 323 00:24:50,340 --> 00:24:57,220 and truly again because we we know uh we are so close we are in Poland trust me on this 324 00:24:57,220 --> 00:25:03,300 Polish people, Ukrainian people, Russian people, we are very similar we speak very similar language 325 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:09,860 basically you know I speak some Russian and what I don't speak in Russian I basically you know get 326 00:25:09,860 --> 00:25:16,180 away with speaking Polish with Russian accent so um so it's it's and the same with Ukrainian 327 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:19,700 So it's really we are very close, very close 328 00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:25,300 people and because of the wars from the 20th century and before that, 329 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:30,500 our nations are mixed, very mixed. Like Lviv, 330 00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:34,580 which is a Ukrainian city right now, it used to be a very vibrant Polish city. 331 00:25:34,580 --> 00:25:37,620 So there is a very big Polish community in Lviv 332 00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:42,900 and we are not claiming it, we are not going to take it over and attack 333 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:47,460 Ukraine to take our city. What happens is that it's a very 334 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:50,580 multicultural city right now, like Polish and Ukrainian, 335 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:53,940 but also the whole Ukraine. Because of history, 336 00:25:53,940 --> 00:25:58,900 many people went to Russia, many people went to Ukraine who were 337 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:03,620 Russians, and so they're very mixed. 338 00:26:03,620 --> 00:26:08,820 In my family, there is an Ukrainian woman, 339 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:14,100 and like a very distant aunt and her husband is a Russian officer. 340 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:17,220 So just think about it like this is crazy stuff. 341 00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:23,780 So really like this word from a personal perspective from us makes no 342 00:26:23,780 --> 00:26:28,180 sense at all. The only sense it's political sense of 343 00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:32,260 a crazy person, Mr. Putin. I shouldn't even call him Mr. 344 00:26:32,260 --> 00:26:34,820 Just Putin. He doesn't 345 00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:40,660 deserve any kind of anything. And two more things I wanted to mention. 346 00:26:40,660 --> 00:26:48,900 I feel exhausted emotionally because of those mixed emotions, but when I'm going there to help, 347 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:57,460 I feel very energized. So now in the last week, it was very hard for me to focus on work. So it 348 00:26:57,460 --> 00:27:03,780 was impossible to do deep work. I was focusing in the time I have for work only to do feedback work. 349 00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:08,780 So yeah, to help others who are able to deliver stuff 350 00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:13,660 in DeepWork, to not block them, 351 00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:15,260 give them feedback, et cetera. 352 00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:20,480 So it's nice that the way we work allow it. 353 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,140 So I still can bring some value 354 00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:27,180 and not taking the whole week off. 355 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:28,000 - Yes. 356 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,020 - Yeah, and one thing, one positive thing I wanted 357 00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:33,540 to mention because yesterday, actually like two weeks 358 00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:40,900 ago, I bought finally new 4K display and my old full HD display. 359 00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:48,900 I took it to this community center and together with a friend, with my neighbor, he got some 360 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:58,140 old Raspberry Pi and we connected it in the center to put it some kind of info kiosk with 361 00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:02,620 useful information for Ukrainians both in Polish and Ukraine and we are just 362 00:28:02,620 --> 00:28:07,700 showing the slides there. Nice. So it's better used than anything else 363 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:13,140 like of our mind like it's very very good idea. And also on my end it's been 364 00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:18,740 tough this whole week especially like last week when I woke up I was still 365 00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:22,700 enjoying my holidays I was in a hotel and when I was in a hotel room I remember 366 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:27,380 waking up on Friday morning and seeing the images of children sleeping in the 367 00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:32,500 underground stations because they are afraid of bombings and then seeing my 368 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:37,520 children sleeping in their beds and I was like wow this freedom thing it's it's 369 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:44,060 it cannot be underappreciated like we we completely take it for granted but like 370 00:28:44,060 --> 00:28:47,860 my children are still sleeping in their beds not there in the underground but 371 00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:55,060 they can be next so it's it was you know very hard anyway um work keeps me sane 372 00:28:55,060 --> 00:29:00,060 So very often I try to turn off all these notifications and information. 373 00:29:00,060 --> 00:29:08,060 Later I catch up, of course. But like yesterday, for example, I was making sure that the whole day long I wasn't reading anything. 374 00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:18,060 I was just working, trying to work, you know, recording the video for our recranial relief, writing about it, like preparing all that stuff without actually, you know, looking at news. 375 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:24,540 And then I caught up later in the evening, but it was kind of my asylum. 376 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:33,860 It was kind of my way of compartmentalizing, you know, to make sure that I have some sanity, you know, 377 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:42,140 because otherwise, you know, because we cannot fight now, like I cannot, you know, go there and fight at this moment. 378 00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:47,660 So you can feel completely pointless. 379 00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:53,900 Like, when you look at war, every kind of work seems meaningless. 380 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,060 Because like, why? 381 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:58,860 You know, like there are people fighting for their lives. 382 00:29:58,860 --> 00:30:03,100 But on the other hand, we need to make sure that we still keep saying, 383 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,140 because again, this is what Putin wants. 384 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:09,180 He wants us to be afraid, he wants us to be restless, 385 00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:18,380 He wants us to be angry, but let's keep the anger, but let's make it sure that we use it wisely. 386 00:30:18,380 --> 00:30:24,380 And let's make sure that we do have the way to switch off, do some work, do something for ourselves, 387 00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:29,900 and then get back to helping, as you said, to getting energy from helping. 388 00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:41,180 Funny thing is that on Mighty Fly Day two weeks ago, I make some sorting on my Twitter account. 389 00:30:41,180 --> 00:30:49,500 I used to follow still political stuff, but I muted all of this and provided myself weekly 390 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:56,380 newsletters from those tweets with a Mabro service. But that was two weeks ago. Now it's 391 00:30:56,380 --> 00:31:04,020 impossible to not to follow this. So I now even follow more. And yeah, on Tuesday I started 392 00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:10,080 to feel anxious when reading social media. So I was like, "Okay, I will do it like two 393 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:16,460 times per day only." And actually I managed to do it like, I haven't seen any news since 394 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:26,300 yesterday afternoon. So yeah, but because at the beginning it was a very positive feeling 395 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:35,860 reading how brave Ukrainians are fighting against Russians, but after this, this information 396 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:39,260 was started to be bigger and bigger in Poland. 397 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:45,900 Well, yeah, you need to take breaks from this because staying sane is very important because, 398 00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:48,300 as you said, it's a marathon. It's not a sprint. 399 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:49,300 Yes, it's a marathon. 400 00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:57,060 our help will be needed for many months. Hopefully not years. 401 00:31:57,060 --> 00:32:02,820 The worst part is of course the fact that we have one big tragic thing after another. 402 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:10,180 We just thought we survived the pandemic and we thought we're going back to normal life 403 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:16,020 and then this happened. So it's like, why? 404 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:27,860 Yeah. All right, so maybe I'll take a break and thank our sponsor, Nozbe, because this is our 405 00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:33,380 self-asylum, working on Nozbe, and we are working on new features, working on new things, 406 00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:39,940 you know, sometimes slower, sometimes faster, but trying to work on this, and this brings us joy and 407 00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:46,780 And hopefully it will bring joy to the Ukrainians who will use it for free and get everything 408 00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:52,080 organized and hopefully at some point the war will be over and people will need to get 409 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,580 organized in Ukraine and they could use Nozbe to get organized completely for free so that 410 00:32:57,580 --> 00:33:01,540 they can rebuild the country and rebuild their strength. 411 00:33:01,540 --> 00:33:05,620 When we've been around for about 10 years, our business has, and we've been using Nozbe 412 00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:07,180 for about eight of those years. 413 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:10,300 And as we grew, we kind of got to the point where I just couldn't remember everything 414 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:11,300 anymore. 415 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:12,300 I'm pretty organized. 416 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:16,440 I would just kind of keep everything in my head and with post-it notes and things like 417 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,440 that. 418 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,440 And it just got to be too much. 419 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,840 And so I started looking around for some sort of project management software that could 420 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,960 help me have a set up really trusted system. 421 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,420 But really, I just wanted a system where I could know that I had everything in there. 422 00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:29,800 I wasn't going to forget anything. 423 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:36,600 I wasn't going to drop any balls for clients or miss deadlines. 424 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:43,840 talk about Fridays. Yes, so again, as we said, you know, we have to continue living and let's 425 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:50,000 talk about something that brings us joy and a change in our company that brought us lots 426 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:56,900 of joy and is still questioned by many companies or questioned by many people. Mighty Fridays. 427 00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:04,320 So the way we do Fridays. And I would like to start how this policy came to be. And it 428 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,320 It was five years ago already or even six, no five and a half years ago. 429 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,320 2016 I think in the autumn. 430 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,320 Yes. 431 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,040 And it was this thing that like there are three questions. 432 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,920 First question, how can people work less but better, more effective but less but not like 433 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,960 pulling all-nighters and burning candle from both ends? 434 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,560 And then second question, how can people learn more? 435 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,560 And then third question, how do we encourage regular weekly reviews? 436 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,680 And we know weekly reviews are very important because they help us summarize the week and 437 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,920 then prepare next week. 438 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,880 So yeah, I went through many iterations of this. 439 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,320 I was checking through many things and especially on one Friday when I was doing my weekly review, 440 00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:01,920 I realized how many of our team members are not doing weekly reviews, are not progressing 441 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:08,740 or just don't have time to learn new technology or new stuff. 442 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:11,520 That's how the policy basically was born. 443 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:26,440 It really proved that it was a good call because all the foundations for new Nozbe, like Zags, 444 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:34,780 Watermelon DB, all those technologies, open-sourced technologies that we published are the now 445 00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:36,960 foundation of new Nozbe. 446 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,960 That started as a Mighty Friday project, 447 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,960 for this dedicated time to learn new stuff, new technologies, explore new ideas. 448 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,960 Yeah, it started with this. 449 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,960 If you think like this, it's actually an investment. 450 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,960 In the future, because people are growing, 451 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,960 we learn new stuff and later what we learned, we use day-to-day work 452 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,960 to work less but better. 453 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,160 There is this phrase coined by 454 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,720 great time management productivity thinker 455 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,960 Mr. Stephen Covey, and it's "to sharpen the saw." 456 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,040 And in his book 457 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,280 "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People," 458 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,680 or "First Things First," or both, 459 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:40,440 He was explaining the concept that before you want to use the saw to take down a tree, 460 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,320 you should spend a few hours sharpening the saw first. 461 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,060 Because if you have a sharp saw, it's going to be just easier, more effortless to get 462 00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:51,500 down the tree. 463 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:59,400 And if you have not so sharp saw, then you might spend just lots of time huffing and 464 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,840 puffing and not really getting anywhere. And that's the thing with Fridays. 465 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,800 Like we decided that we should work from Monday to Thursday on day to day stuff. 466 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:16,800 On stuff that's relevant to our work, to our job description. And then on 467 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,120 Friday is the sharpen the saw day. It's the moment where you do when you do a 468 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,320 reflection, where you do a weekly review, you review your tasks, your projects, 469 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,280 everyone else's tasks that you want to review, 470 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,160 and then you explore some new ideas. 471 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,180 Then you have this time to watch an online conference. 472 00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:39,360 Like we became kind of hoarders of, you know, 473 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,520 I will save this for later. 474 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,480 I'm gonna watch this later. 475 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,120 I'm gonna read this later. 476 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,800 And then you never do because you never have the time. 477 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,180 And that's why we have these Fridays, 478 00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:52,180 because then on Friday, you can completely legitimately, 479 00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:54,360 it's legit, it's, you know, it's, 480 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,680 you're not doing anything against your company, 481 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,720 you're not doing anything against your boss, 482 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,560 you have the time to do it your way. 483 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,360 And that's why also this trick is that Friday 484 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,320 is completely designed by the employee, by the team member. 485 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,600 So there is no way your manager or me, the boss, 486 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,960 can tell you how you do your Friday 487 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,760 or what you work on on a Friday. 488 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,440 Friday is yours. 489 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,680 Friday is free for you, but it's not a free day per se. 490 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,720 It's not a free day of work. 491 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,160 Although, you know, it's a lighter day. 492 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,380 Like you can, you know, work less on Friday. 493 00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:29,640 Like it's up to you. 494 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,480 But it's a day where you can dedicate your time 495 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,760 to reviewer stuff and then learn something new, basically. 496 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,760 - Actually, I like to, what I learned from all of these years 497 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,080 that my most effective weekly reviews are in the afternoon 498 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,100 because, yeah, because this weekly review concept 499 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,640 is from getting things done 500 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,720 and it's about personal productivity. 501 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,560 And it's much easier to do weekly review 502 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,480 in your personal systems 503 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,220 when you don't have any input from the team. 504 00:39:00,220 --> 00:39:05,020 But as we do, the whole team is doing weekly review 505 00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:08,160 on Friday, there are many activity in the task. 506 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,400 So it's hard to finish weekly review 507 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,000 because there are more comments in the pipeline 508 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,200 and they are coming and some mentions 509 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,240 and some notifications. 510 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:28,080 So I try to start Fridays with learning something new first and after lunch, like doing a weekly 511 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:36,160 review when the activity is much calmer situation inside Nozbe and it works. 512 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:42,920 I mean, what we've learned is that finally people are really reviewing stuff, reviewing 513 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,320 reviewing projects, reviewing tasks, which brings sometimes out some passive-aggressive 514 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,400 comments like, "Rafael, do we need this task?" or "Rafael, what's happened here?" or "Rafael, 515 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,440 do we need this project?" Like, all these things. And this is great. I love it. Sometimes 516 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,720 you have to explain yourself, "Yes, I still need this project because I want to do this 517 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:06,040 and that." And then it's clear, and it's fine. And then everybody can see that comment, which 518 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,600 is the brilliance of Nozbe. But sometimes you're like, "Oh, yeah, you're right. We don't 519 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,160 need that anymore or let's just abandon this task or let's just make it as done because actually it 520 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,360 was done but I never got around to it. I thought I wanted to do this but it was like two years and 521 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:27,160 actually nothing happened so maybe it's not that important. Exactly, exactly. So that was one of 522 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,960 the things that we learned like this, you know, but again it helps the team to learn to 523 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,440 communicate, you know, these passive-aggressive kind of comments are good because people are 524 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,200 pushing each other like you know Rafa make a decision like do you need that 525 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,840 like you know two years have passed like what's going on there and so it's 526 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,640 really really good and the problem I mean all these years that we've had in 527 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:57,520 Nozbeam is that contrary to popular opinion people want to work on Friday 528 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:04,880 they don't want to like they feel kind of weird that they should that it should 529 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:12,260 be their day. I think people have been kind of brainwashed into thinking that we, as a 530 00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:16,040 company, we are setting up some framework for them to work and they just have to follow 531 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:23,120 the framework. And people need autonomy. And I think thanks to Fridays, people in our company 532 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:29,640 are learning autonomy, learning these who had not so strong autonomy in the past. They're 533 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:37,640 learning, "Okay, this is my day. I can do it the way I want." And it's hard for them, but slowly and surely they are getting into it. 534 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:48,640 But sometimes they just even needed a push. So for example, in our customer support department, they were always complaining that they don't really have Fridays because they still have to answer to emails and all that stuff. 535 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,640 And I was like, "Okay, so make a change. 536 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,760 Do something different." 537 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,280 And then suddenly they realized, 538 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,980 let's try to treat Friday as a weekend. 539 00:41:58,980 --> 00:42:01,060 So somebody is on call for customer support, 540 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:05,540 but we answer not as fast on Friday 541 00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:09,760 as we do every other day. 542 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,640 And when we answer, we actually add an information 543 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,500 that today is Friday, make it a mighty Friday. 544 00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:17,360 And now we even have this brilliant website, 545 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,220 fridayisfree.com and you can just go there 546 00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:21,120 and see how we do Fridays. 547 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,300 This way we can not only remember that this is Friday 548 00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:27,040 so we should work differently, 549 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,680 but also teach our customers that this is how we work 550 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,580 and maybe inspire them to also do Fridays differently 551 00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:37,400 because I really believe that this is a game changer. 552 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,080 - It really is because like, as I said, 553 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,060 not only like Zacks Watermelon DB, 554 00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:46,160 our open source project by, for example, 555 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,100 like we have, we want to implement some feature in Nozbe 556 00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:55,000 and there is still some technology to be learned 557 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,180 or to be explored if that's even possible. 558 00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:02,540 And developers are free to work on, 559 00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:05,740 if they feel like they want to explore this, 560 00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:07,860 like Flyday is the way to do it. 561 00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:11,160 And many features were implemented because of this, 562 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,160 because some of the developers felt like 563 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,240 he wanted to explore the stuff 564 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,640 and later it got implemented. 565 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,060 - Yeah, also on Friday, for example, I do schedule, 566 00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:28,680 I try to schedule meetings with fellow business people. 567 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,640 So to learn from them, you know, to get inspired from them. 568 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,420 I have my, like, now it's a monthly. 569 00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:35,480 It used to be weekly, 570 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,620 but now it's a monthly mastermind meeting. 571 00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:42,340 I have it every second Friday of the month, actually. 572 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:45,900 And then when it's not there, then I 573 00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:48,820 try to schedule a meeting with a different entrepreneur 574 00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:51,660 or with my mentor or with somebody like this. 575 00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:54,580 Again, knowing that it's Friday, I have the time. 576 00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:57,400 I can talk to them for two hours, and it's fine. 577 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,900 I'm not spending time, valuable time, 578 00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:04,700 that I could have answered some feedback in the comments 579 00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:06,340 and put some things forward. 580 00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:07,100 It's a Friday. 581 00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:10,860 I can have the luxury to talk to them because again, 582 00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:12,140 it's an investment, as you said. 583 00:44:12,140 --> 00:44:14,900 So for me talking to them, to my mentor 584 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:17,900 or like a fellow business entrepreneur, 585 00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:20,540 it's an investment of my time of getting ideas 586 00:44:20,540 --> 00:44:23,900 and feeding each other of ideas. 587 00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:26,080 And it's important that we do it. 588 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,060 And again, when do we do it? 589 00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:30,700 And I can tell you that it's kind of contagious. 590 00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:34,540 So some of my entrepreneur friends, 591 00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:36,460 knowing that we do Fridays like this, are like, 592 00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:39,280 Okay, so I should also take Friday slower. 593 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,740 I should take, they're also getting this pressure from me. 594 00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:46,900 I mean, not pressure, but hopefully inspiration. 595 00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:49,580 And I'm really happy about this. 596 00:44:49,580 --> 00:44:52,500 It's contagious and it's good. 597 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:57,500 - Yeah, that brings you clarity from Monday to the first day 598 00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:00,240 because you don't have to worry about, 599 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,260 okay, that's interesting, I want to read this. 600 00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:04,460 Oh, I want to watch this conference. 601 00:45:04,460 --> 00:45:08,380 You have the space on your current art to do it. 602 00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:10,940 So you don't have to be bothered, 603 00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:13,380 okay, today after the work, I will do it. 604 00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:14,220 No. 605 00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:15,720 - Yes, because this is kind of the thing 606 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,320 that many companies are saying, 607 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,720 personal development of our people 608 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,860 is most important for us. 609 00:45:21,860 --> 00:45:25,280 But then when you do it, just like in our intro, 610 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,140 after hours, on the weekends, 611 00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:30,460 if it's important, you schedule it. 612 00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:32,540 And this is our way of scheduling personal development. 613 00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:37,920 scheduled on Friday. That's it. So it's very easy. And now, Rafal, which I'm really 614 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,880 happy about this in our team, we are really changing our product, Nozbe, to 615 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,880 reflect these values. So one of the key features of new Nozbe is the reminders 616 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,720 feature. So when you have a task, it doesn't matter whose task it is, you can 617 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,600 set a reminder for it. So for example, I dedicated a task to Rafal, but I want to 618 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,420 check in a few days if he's really done it or something. 619 00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:07,340 So I can set a reminder like remind me in two days or remind me tomorrow or remind me next week 620 00:46:07,340 --> 00:46:13,540 But then I was going through my tasks and I realized oh, but there is no remind me on Friday 621 00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:18,740 Because some tasks are you know, I'm just gonna check on Friday how it went 622 00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:22,020 You know if it if something happened through throughout the week throughout the week 623 00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:28,040 Or maybe there is a task for me to you know, watch something watch a conference or read an article again 624 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,420 remind me on Friday, so I 625 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,800 I suggested it and I think within a week or two weeks we had it already shipping in the app. 626 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:47,800 That right now, when you quickly click "remind me" and it's a Thursday or Friday, it says "next Friday". 627 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,800 But if it's any other day of the week, it says "on Friday". 628 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,800 So very easily, you don't have to just tap "calendar", find the Friday and go. 629 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,800 It's just "remind me on Friday". Bomb! 630 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,800 Because on Thursday you still have option tomorrow, predefined. 631 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,800 Exactly, exactly. On Thursday you have option tomorrow. But then 632 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,800 on Thursday you might think, "I'm not going to do this this Friday. I'm going to do it 633 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,800 on next Friday." So that's why we did it like this. 634 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,800 But this is brilliant because then I can really postpone tasks 635 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,800 from my incoming view to Friday and then review them on Friday, 636 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,800 which I'm going to do anyway because it's my weekly review day. So I love 637 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,720 I love it how we not only live by these principles, 638 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,880 how we spread them with our Fridaysfree.com website, 639 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,740 but also how we integrate this in the product. 640 00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:42,320 So it's like, it's in there and that's why it's so cool. 641 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:47,320 - Yeah, and I like how this incoming and activity views, 642 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,840 like I always highlight this, how they work. 643 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,840 Because really, incoming, I try to have zero task in incoming 644 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,040 by the end of each day. 645 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,680 But after weekly review, I want to have incoming and activity 646 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,600 counters to zero. 647 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,280 Because there are many things happening in the projects 648 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,440 I follow, but I'm not that involved. 649 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,440 But the Friday is the way to review this activity. 650 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,800 Is there something I can give feedback on 651 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,640 or I need to work on in the next week? 652 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,520 And you know, there was pushback and there was pushback whenever we talk about Fridays 653 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,760 and when I talk to press. 654 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,080 We've been highlighted and we were featured in many press outlets about this. 655 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,280 And very often the journalists are coming to me like, "Yeah, but maybe Michael, you're 656 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,360 just a sucker. 657 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,320 You're just a boss that just gives people a day free and is okay with that and that's 658 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,320 it." 659 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,760 And again, they don't see the investment. 660 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,760 They don't see the boost of autonomy, 661 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,760 the boost of investing in people, 662 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,480 the boost of getting people better at organizing things. 663 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,400 They don't see that, 664 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,000 that these components are coming along on Fridays. 665 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,200 And that's why it's my duty to make sure 666 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,220 that people have good Fridays. 667 00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:14,480 And whenever they don't, 668 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,640 then change something in the company 669 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,040 to make sure that they do. 670 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,280 And I think from, 671 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,400 You can also kind of measure sanity of our people in the team by how good they do their 672 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,840 Fridays. 673 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,520 Because if somebody is not up to speed with everything or is just chasing their own tail, 674 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,540 very often they have crappy Fridays because they're like, "Yeah, still trying to figure 675 00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:40,540 this out." 676 00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:45,160 So really these Fridays are paramount to what we do. 677 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,200 I have understood the value of it. 678 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,200 We have understood. 679 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,200 I mean, we have proof. 680 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,600 We have all these, as you said, we have all these projects 681 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,680 that were born on Fridays. 682 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,840 We know it works. 683 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,600 - Yeah, and we have this rule that if I delegate some tasks 684 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,760 to you on Friday or mention you on Friday, 685 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,680 I don't expect you to take care of this on Friday, 686 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,040 unless I really said, I literally said that in the comment 687 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,520 that, okay, this is urgent, we must fix that today. 688 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,800 But that happens like once a year or something like this. 689 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,920 - Okay, let's talk about something brilliant 690 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,080 that is so obvious that many people are not doing it. 691 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,520 We don't ship Nozbe on Fridays. 692 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,920 We don't ship Nozbe to customers on Fridays. 693 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,880 We ship any other internal version, yes, 694 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,080 but not customer-facing version. 695 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,600 And many software companies are doing it wrong 696 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,960 because they are shipping on Friday. 697 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,100 They want to have this clean thing. 698 00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:50,500 They have finished the week and they're shipping on Friday, but then they stay up for the weekend 699 00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:54,300 because things go wrong and there are bugs and they have to fix them. 700 00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,680 So we learned our lesson the hard way. 701 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,780 So if you're a software company, take it from us. 702 00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:01,460 You ship on Monday. 703 00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:06,700 Because on Monday when you ship and something goes wrong, you have Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday 704 00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:07,700 to fix it. 705 00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:10,060 Like you have a normal work week to fix it. 706 00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:11,620 You don't ship stuff before the weekend. 707 00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:18,900 shipping to production on Monday, on Friday is like I don't know who the 708 00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:23,340 owner is. But you say of course but but but many companies are doing it still like it's 709 00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:28,700 still something new you know you shouldn't do it like I think this like 710 00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:34,660 our inherent willingness to complete things you know to bring things to 711 00:51:34,660 --> 00:51:38,740 completion like you know I've worked on this feature now I'm gonna ship it it's 712 00:51:38,740 --> 00:51:42,740 It makes sense. We want to complete stuff in our mind. 713 00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:46,740 And postponing it for next week, for Monday, feels kind of a waste. 714 00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:50,740 We even don't ship internally on Friday. 715 00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:54,740 There is no goal for 716 00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:58,740 merging to master in our repository of Nozbe. 717 00:51:58,740 --> 00:52:02,740 Unless it's really critical. 718 00:52:02,740 --> 00:52:06,740 So we don't break our dogfooding internal app 719 00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:11,740 and don't spend Fridays on fixing it. 720 00:52:11,740 --> 00:52:15,140 We break our dogfooding app from Monday to Thursday. 721 00:52:15,140 --> 00:52:19,140 Thursday. This is the time to break things. 722 00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:23,140 Yeah, and another part is that if we don't push updates 723 00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:28,140 to dogfooding environment on Friday, and on Friday is week review day, 724 00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:32,940 so people are using app mode, they are adding more comments, switching views, etc. 725 00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:36,900 So this is a good stress test before Monday release. 726 00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:40,440 And after that, on Monday morning, we create the, 727 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,980 we merge like release branch from master. 728 00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:46,940 And now the master is free to next improvements, 729 00:52:46,940 --> 00:52:49,300 next merges. 730 00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:50,660 - To be broken again. - To be broken again. 731 00:52:50,660 --> 00:52:51,500 Yeah, yeah. 732 00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:56,000 - But that's a good point. 733 00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,700 Like because people are using Nozbe very much on Fridays 734 00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:03,700 due to weekly review, yes, it's a very good stress test 735 00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:05,100 before we share it. 736 00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:07,480 This is also the plus of using your own tool 737 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,420 that you're working on anyway. 738 00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:14,420 - All right, like, Jonas says that tomorrow 739 00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:16,380 is gonna be a mighty Friday. 740 00:53:16,380 --> 00:53:18,180 - Of course, of course. 741 00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:22,620 - That's true, so are you okay with wrapping up this episode 742 00:53:22,620 --> 00:53:23,980 because it's an hour already? 743 00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:24,940 - I think so, yes. 744 00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:27,540 - So thanks for listening and watching 745 00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:32,020 and remember, like, tomorrow is mighty Friday, so-- 746 00:53:32,020 --> 00:53:32,860 - Listen to Jonas. 747 00:53:32,860 --> 00:53:38,300 Go to Fridays3.com, learn how we do that, learn how to do weekly review, plan priorities 748 00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:44,960 for next week, and learn something new to have a great weekend. 749 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,040 If you enjoyed this episode, please feel free to support this podcast either by sharing 750 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:55,620 it with a friend or leaving us a nice review in our podcast or by checking out our Nozbe 751 00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:56,620 app. 752 00:53:56,620 --> 00:54:00,840 But the best thing you can do right now is to support Ukraine. 753 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,840 do so find a foundation or do some volunteer work because that's really 754 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,960 important they are fighting for all the Western world right now. All right that's 755 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,720 it for today say goodbye Michael. Yeah I just wanted to mention that on the 756 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:20,360 website on Friday is free dot com is very well done you can see exactly what 757 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,520 we talked about like all how we do it and also a good recipe for a good weekly 758 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,920 review so follow just all the guidelines on this website and enjoy your mighty 759 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,680 Friday and really help Ukraine. Let's stay united with Ukraine. 760 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:43,720 This episode has not been created in the office because in Nozbe there is no office. Your hosts 761 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:48,520 were Michael Stivinski and Tlafar Sobolevski. All the links and show notes you can find on 762 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:56,440 nooffice.fm/37. The whole production process of this episode has been coordinated in a project 763 00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,320 in a Nozbe app. Control is good, but trust and transparency are so much better. 764 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:07,400 Thank you and see you in three weeks. Remember to have a mighty flight! 765 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,400 Bye bye! 766 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,980 (upbeat music) 767 00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:16,560 (upbeat music) 768 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,140 (upbeat music) 769 00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:21,720 (upbeat music) 770 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,300 (upbeat music)