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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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We'll be right back.

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what is up everybody it's the chairman

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here of the united states department of

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nerves where we are for the people by

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the people and of the people and tonight

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or today rather because we're ten a.m it's

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sabe's afternoon

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We're diving into his mind,

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whose work bends bones, shadows,

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and imagination from grotesque whimsy to

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textured nightmare beauty.

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His visual storytelling brings worlds to

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life with a style you can spot from

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across the room.

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Whether he's illustrating monstrous

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folklore or giving heart to the strange

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and surreal, his pages live forever.

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Breathe in emotion, motion, and madness.

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And joining me today is an artist that

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we spoke very,

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very highly of when I had Ethan Coogan

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and Jess Silvetti on the podcast who does

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Shock Headed Peter,

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volumes one and volume two.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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let me introduce you to Italy's own Sabe.

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Sabe, welcome to the show, my friend.

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thank you thank you very much ah by

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the way really cool intro i love it

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man appreciate it

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That's what we do, man.

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We do cool intros and talk to really

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amazing people here.

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And we are so happy to have you

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on.

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Shout out to Jess and Ethan for getting

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us together so we can talk about the

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art and put a lot of focus on

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the art that tells the story of Shock

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Headed Peter.

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So let's dive into it, Sabe.

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What do you say?

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yeah yeah it's a pleasure to be here

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and uh yeah whatever you want to know

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to know about shock at the peter is

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fine and uh by the way i want

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to spoil uh something like they say i

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make everything i make everything all

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right but in the end it was a

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co-working so and sorry about my english

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sometimes it will be messed up sorry no

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you're good i'm telling you

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The council members that are going to

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listen to this show,

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they're going to love the fact that we

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had you on here all the way from

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Italy.

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Yeah, no, it's fine.

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It's a pleasure.

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So it was a coworking and so it

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was a back and forth of work.

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And when I say when I sent to

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them the pages and all of the concept,

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they say and give give me they fought

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and we build this world together.

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If I don't know if you saw the

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Bible when we started the work,

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it was awesome.

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No, no.

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He pulled it off the shelf and showed

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me the shock-headed Peter Bible, the big,

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thick book.

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Beautiful, beautiful stuff.

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I couldn't mess up with that Bible.

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That was amazing.

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It was impossible.

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All in all purpose.

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I couldn't mess up.

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That was so impressive that –

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yeah he just was like he's like oh

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let me show you the bible and he

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pulls it off the shelf with two hands

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an actual bible and it was just this

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beautiful story work for shock edit peter

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which was really cool yeah so yeah let's

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learn who you are so how did you

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start your journey as an artist in comic

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books

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Yeah, it's kind of, I think,

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ninety percent of the comic artists have

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the same background story at the first,

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because it's like when I was a little

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kid,

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I started drawing because I saw a lot

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of comic books.

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Yeah, it was literally like that.

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I saw a lot of comic books and

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I said,

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I love this way of telling a story,

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telling a story with these images.

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this drawing they are awesome and i said

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i want to be like that i started

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drawing started of course copying my first

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one some from italy okay that will i

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don't know if you know uh some troop

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and of bombichini or andrea pacienza maybe

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it's we don't get a lot of um

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Yeah, no, don't worry.

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Which sucks because there's so many of you

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over there that are so good,

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but we don't get to experience your work

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because they just don't import those to

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us.

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Yeah, yeah, no, there's a pity,

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but we are talking about really old comic

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artists of the eighties, seventies.

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So I grew up because my parents bought

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the comics and I saw their comics.

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Sometimes it wasn't even for my age,

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fit for my age,

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but they just give them

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It wasn't a problem.

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And so, but in the end,

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when I saw like the Mickey Mouse stuff,

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because also there was here, you know,

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Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck,

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and I started drawing that.

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So I mesh up this kind of style

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and it was so early and I'm trying

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to figure out how I want to make

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my own style.

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When I was like a kid, yeah,

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I remember when I was in high school,

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after the high school, mid-school,

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high school, and I always drew it,

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but I never thought it could be a

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proper job.

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I never thought about that.

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I said, okay, this is a hobby.

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It's fine.

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I enjoy drawing my schoolmate and make a

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show about a story,

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what was happening in my school and all

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that stuff.

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But then I moved and I studied at

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university.

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I studied languages.

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And that's a pity.

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It's ironic because my English level is

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not that high, but I studied languages.

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You're doing good, dude.

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Yeah,

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but I should have studied more because

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sometimes I will

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Totally fucked up the verbs and the

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grammar.

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Sorry.

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You're killing it, dude.

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And I'm telling you, if you ever just,

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you have my, you can just DM me,

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dude.

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We can hop on and we can talk

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and we can chat, man.

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And we will make this happen for you.

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Okay.

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I have to improve it.

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And so I started the university.

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And meanwhile, I have some cash.

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I've saved some cash.

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And I was in the middle of this

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little town in the south of Italy.

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I just opened a comic school just that

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year.

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I said, oh, my God,

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this is super cool.

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Maybe with that money that I saved,

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I can make some lessons just to see

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if something that I enjoy after the

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university.

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I started studying.

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comics for three years there then I

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finished the university I finished that

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school and I started this you know there's

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two phases in here in Italy with the

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university the post degree like the degree

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and the post degree I started the post

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degree and then I say you know what

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I like draw I really love drawing you

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know what I quit the post degree

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university and I moved to Rome because we

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my parents bought a house a long time

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ago here in Rome said okay let me

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find out if I can

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live with that job.

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And I followed another school.

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I started this another school,

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La Scuola Romana di Fumetti.

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You told me there's a lot,

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plenty of people that are working there in

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the US that are from that school.

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I just find out.

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And so after that, I started.

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It was a little tough because, you know,

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comics is not that safe place here if

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you want to live.

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You have to search something else.

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So I said, why, um,

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it's better to go like, uh,

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in the same field,

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like storyboard and animation.

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And I started like that gain money.

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I started like storyboard for.

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cartoon stuff or in this um and i

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think a lot of comic book artists do

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storyboarding and stuff like that i know

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before we went live i was telling you

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about my um my friend francisco down in

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argentina yeah that's his primary thing is

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he storyboards for commercials for amazon

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for netflix yeah i think because

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yeah i think because in the school when

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you start learning comics the first thing

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that you have to learn is the the

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the the storyboard that you have to put

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in so the the i there's a lot

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plenty of uh job opportunity in this field

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more than comics more than comics because

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you told me about amazon

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And all the stuff in the ads.

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They're searching for people who are

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making storybooks.

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Until now,

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because AI is trying to destroy us.

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I hate that, dude.

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It shoots so many good people out of...

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So many amazing artists out of jobs that

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it's disgusting.

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And I'm starting to be afraid.

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But let's see.

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It's not good enough right now.

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Because there's a lot of AIDS...

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Also, advertisements, sorry,

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in television and on YouTube,

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they are amazing.

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I don't skip it because it was cool.

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It's generally cool.

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Yeah, no, you're right.

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Because there's a proper job,

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a proper storyboard, if it's a cartoon,

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it's a proper animator who are drawing

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that.

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So until the AI will do something like

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that, I will not skip it.

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No, you're absolutely right.

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There's some phenomenal ads out there that

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you could sell

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very humanly influenced and hopefully it

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will stay that way for many,

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many years to come.

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So what were some of your earliest, like,

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like an artist or a comic book that

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you, you seen as a child that said,

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this book has influenced me to become an

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artist.

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Now, what was,

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what was that one comic book or artist

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that said,

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that influenced you to become the artist?

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It's not one.

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I think when I was super early kids,

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it was, of course,

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Mickey Mouse and stuff like that.

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And a little bit of this kind of

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story, there's like this...

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satiric World War II comics went out when

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my father was a kid.

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And he had this comic book and I

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shouldn't have read it because, okay,

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it's satire, okay, it's fine,

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but it's for adult...

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public.

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Okay.

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It's not for me,

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but I used to see dot comics because

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satire, you know,

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you see these puppets and say, okay,

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it's fine for kids, but it's not fine.

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The story, but for me, it was fine.

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So I started drawing that.

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There's some open of Bambi.

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I don't know.

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I see a super Italian stuff.

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So I, it would be cool.

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I love learning.

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Like,

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different italian artists different uk

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artists and just i mean there's great

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artists spread throughout this world and

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we were speaking before we came live that

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this year for me personally has been a

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huge growth of in discovery for european

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artists you know and i have many friends

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from the uk now who are comic book

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writers and i've learned of um

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I was telling you about my friend in

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Argentina, Francisco,

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who was just on the podcast.

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We did our big horror special for comic

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books during Halloween.

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He does the art for Videlirium,

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but there's a colorist who's Egyptian who

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does the colors on the comic book.

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So it's kind of crazy to think about.

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The writer is in America,

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the artist is in Argentina,

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and the colorist is in Egypt.

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So it's really cool that this book goes

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around the world.

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This is the good of the internet.

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This is the bright side,

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talking about Star Wars.

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This is the bright side of the internet.

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Because the way that I found Jessica and

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Ethan is about that.

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It's on the social media.

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And yeah,

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I saw that all of this stuff,

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there also are some Italian stuff that are

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exploding outside,

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like Zerogalcare right now.

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I saw in Europe,

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there's a lot of people they know about

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these artists, Italian artists,

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that we know, just we know.

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Like, ten years ago started,

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and nobody knows who was,

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and now it's exploding only in Europe.

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i know i don't know in america but

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i i think it is translated in english

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so i think if something is is shipping

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to to there and yeah because as you

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see we were talking before you know with

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like louis anavecchio who does lovesick

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and doll parts who just in i think

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like she submitted her work to image and

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image was like, Oh, we want that.

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And all of a sudden, like, boom,

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she's all over the place.

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Like she's doing covers for major comic

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books.

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She's writing short stories for anthology

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comic books.

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And I recently met her here and I

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got her to sign her book and just

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very awesome person.

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And, um,

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she looks like a baby, you know, she's,

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she's so tiny.

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So when she stood up to shake my

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hand and everything, I was like,

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I thought she might, you know,

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she didn't stand up all the way.

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I thought she was like,

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kind of just like on her knees or

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something like, you know,

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you can sit on your knees on your,

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on your chair.

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So, but no,

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she was standing up and I was just

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like, I'm like, let me down.

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I feel weird.

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And she was like, no, no.

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She's like, I'm used to it.

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I still look like a little girl.

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I look like a little girl, I know.

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But she's got this beautiful,

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beautiful book.

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And it's very dark and it's hard to

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believe that she did that dark book.

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Yeah,

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I checked before when we were talking.

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It was amazing, amazing, right?

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So answering your question, sorry that I

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No, you're good.

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That's our tangent.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The first one was Italian that I started

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drawing like them.

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I started to copy because I think every

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single comic starts starting copying their

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favorite style, their favorite author,

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their favorite drawing.

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And then I find out that, like,

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the first one that really hit me,

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it was an American one,

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Rob Guillory with Chew.

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Then now he's making Farmhand.

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He just finished Farmhand with Image.

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I think it was with Image.

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And it was, like, astonishing.

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I said, oh, my God,

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you can make something so pop street art

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with this story, so serious story,

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and you can mash up all of this

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stuff,

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like Alien and

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thriller and horror,

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all of that stuff together.

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And I said, oh my God,

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this is super cool.

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I want to be like that.

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I want to draw like that.

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I like that style in particular.

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It was my hero.

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If we will see Rob Giggory.

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That's freaking awesome.

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Yeah, it was super cool.

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Let's talk about your art now.

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Your line work and your energy have a

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very distinct presence.

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How would you describe your artistic

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signature?

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And while you're telling us about that,

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I'm going to bring up some of your

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artwork to show people.

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Yeah, sure.

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The fact is that the first time that

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I approached to the drawing comics,

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it was like, which kind of style?

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did I have to find?

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But then I found out that like in

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Shock of the Peter,

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it's like meshing up something that is pop

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and something that seems to be like

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cartoonish one and mix it up with some

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environment,

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some mood that is a little bit darker,

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a little bit more mature.

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And so I tried to use the other.

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I tried to use color that can be

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a little bit less brighter,

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less saturated.

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And I tried to make it a little

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bit more like, as I told you,

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like an animation, a cartoon.

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But the grotesque face,

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the grotesque character that I draw,

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I like that it's in contrast of the

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environment.

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The environment I try to put everything

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like is not super real.

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But also, as I told you before,

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I like to play and draw as background

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as I could because I like the environment.

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It makes a lot of...

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uh in uh when you want to the

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environment as you can see with some of

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the uh the illustrations here like the

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environment the uh the the surrounding

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area around the people in shock headed

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peter it it's very the whole thing it

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like if you were flipping through it's

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it's like a cartoon but it looks so

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good it's almost like um

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How they did the animated version of the

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Dr. Seuss story, The Grinch.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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It's like that old school feel,

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but it's still very vibrant and very cool

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looking.

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Yeah, no, I try to,

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the fact is that I don't like sometimes

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that some stories are awesome and then

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people and the characters are so good,

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they speak together, they have good lines,

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better, but the environment,

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the background behind is kind of, no,

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I don't want to put it,

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I put only a color,

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a full color and full stop.

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So, no, I like where they are.

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I like the first chapter we have in

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the last pages are

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a plan a plan sorry a map of

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the the town yeah yeah yeah because in

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my mind i always want to to put

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the the people in a in a in

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um in an actual places because i think

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that is in uh it's good for the

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the storytelling of course but also

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because he he can uh you know

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It's like in a picture when you took

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a photo of someone.

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They want a good environment behind them,

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you know?

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Yeah,

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so this is a little bit of it

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right here.

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Yeah, they say they love this scene.

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This panel is so good.

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Thank you.

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Yeah,

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I tried to play a lot with the

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sunset vibe, the color of the sunset,

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yeah, and change the girl.

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Then I put up the shock at Peter.

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So it's kind of creepy and melancholic at

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the same time with the color.

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It really is.

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And it works with the story because here

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you have this girl who is very pure

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and very innocent living in this town that

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is just like pure corrupt and evil.

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Yeah.

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And the people just aren't good people in

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this town.

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And here we have this very innocent girl

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whose family is struggling.

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And she...

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You can tell she doesn't want to be

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like the other townspeople,

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but deep down inside of her,

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she's just had enough of their shit and

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is like,

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I want to get rid of these people

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because they are evil.

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Yeah, this kind of, you feel,

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you're cheering for that guy who should be

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the antagonist because it's just Spanish

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people

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But you are sharing because the people

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that is so corrupt and the situation is

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so

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evil is everywhere so you think yeah

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there's like a kind of a batman i

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don't know how to see it but yeah

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the in that situation that kind of of

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shot is like yeah this one too this

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is another one of my favorites like this

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is another one that was just like an

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absolute favorite i think i used this art

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in some of the clips i made for

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uh jess and ethan as well because it

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was just such a cool piece of art

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Yeah,

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because it was like everything was so cool

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down in the first chapter in the same

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situation because we are talking like we

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are taking the first chapter history and

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then bring it up to the second chapter.

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We start at the same time, right?

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And here is important also in the story

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that the

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The sky should be in that way,

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so bright and everything.

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We will see without spoiling after.

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So they say,

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bring up everything in the sky.

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And the contrast with him, the silhouette,

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is that I don't want to spoil it.

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I'm afraid to spoil it.

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It's like a supernatural entity.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He kind of feeds on hate and evil.

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It makes him stronger.

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And whereas, yes, he's,

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he is kind of this type of entity

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that feeds on hate.

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There's also like, he doesn't like per se,

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like that type of environment,

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but it's what I mean, like feeds him.

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So his main thing is, like,

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he wants to rid the world of that.

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Yes, he's the bad guy,

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but at the same time,

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he's the bad guy.

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You want to cheer for him because you're

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like, even you, when you read this book,

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hate the people in this town.

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Like, you immediately just like,

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these people are horrible.

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Yeah, they deserve it, as they say.

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Exactly, exactly.

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Yeah, no, I know he's...

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That is the fact when I wrote the

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first time the...

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synopsis, the script, and I say,

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oh my God,

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I don't know how to cheer up with,

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I don't know who is the good or

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the bad guy.

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And I love that kind of story because

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they also challenge me to how I describe

00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:27.141
them.

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how I describe them visually,

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how they describe them with the concept

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artist of the character.

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Yeah, right.

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Like this one right here.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We will see.

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I can't say no more,

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not too much about it.

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No, no, you don't have to,

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but I just want people to see how

00:23:44.432 --> 00:23:45.753
visually this is.

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Fun fact, in this panel,

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they choose to put the arm outside of

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the panel, breaking the fourth wall.

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They never say that because they say, ah,

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it may call, it may call.

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No, no, no, it's not true.

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Sometimes they have a so good idea.

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They said, oh my God,

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I have to do that.

00:24:02.407 --> 00:24:03.048
I have to do that.

00:24:03.848 --> 00:24:05.368
And they put the arm outside,

00:24:05.409 --> 00:24:06.250
breaking the fourth wall.

00:24:06.953 --> 00:24:07.714
Yeah.

00:24:07.976 --> 00:24:08.096
No.

00:24:08.236 --> 00:24:10.018
And I don't like it all the time,

00:24:10.077 --> 00:24:10.759
but for like,

00:24:11.299 --> 00:24:14.183
there's certain scenes in the book where

00:24:14.304 --> 00:24:16.386
you see like little things like this,

00:24:16.426 --> 00:24:18.449
the little nuances of yes,

00:24:18.489 --> 00:24:20.071
his hands outside of the panel.

00:24:20.112 --> 00:24:21.814
So it's kind of like, Oh damn.

00:24:23.717 --> 00:24:24.617
Like, yeah,

00:24:24.637 --> 00:24:27.838
for these little nuances are amazing and

00:24:27.858 --> 00:24:30.058
they work so well when done right.

00:24:30.479 --> 00:24:32.740
And this is one of those instances where

00:24:33.019 --> 00:24:34.961
it's just absolutely spot on because you

00:24:35.040 --> 00:24:37.541
see him and he is literally scaring the

00:24:37.582 --> 00:24:39.561
shit out of this individual.

00:24:39.582 --> 00:24:40.301
Yeah.

00:24:41.002 --> 00:24:42.742
But it also looks like he may be

00:24:42.803 --> 00:24:44.844
coming out of the panel for you as

00:24:44.903 --> 00:24:45.183
well.

00:24:46.049 --> 00:24:47.230
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:24:47.310 --> 00:24:49.593
But the idea was that if you will

00:24:49.633 --> 00:24:50.953
know this one, we will read it,

00:24:51.273 --> 00:24:52.994
you will notice that this some kind of

00:24:53.035 --> 00:24:54.856
character, it will pop up more often.

00:24:55.376 --> 00:24:58.138
And we like breaking the fourth wall

00:24:58.179 --> 00:24:58.880
because of that,

00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:01.821
because they have to make it more real,

00:25:01.862 --> 00:25:02.603
make it more real.

00:25:05.065 --> 00:25:06.826
About the background, I want to go back.

00:25:07.165 --> 00:25:10.548
I forgot to say that the town,

00:25:10.990 --> 00:25:12.191
how this is built,

00:25:12.730 --> 00:25:16.634
is I try to think about the town

00:25:16.714 --> 00:25:18.336
here in Europe, here in Italy,

00:25:18.875 --> 00:25:20.278
and meshing up a little bit,

00:25:20.458 --> 00:25:21.137
it's kind of,

00:25:21.258 --> 00:25:23.000
you feel like you are an old town

00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.082
in the old continent in Europe.

00:25:25.781 --> 00:25:26.242
Yeah, yeah.

00:25:27.656 --> 00:25:30.178
no you're absolutely yeah that's what it

00:25:30.198 --> 00:25:32.358
reminds me of like downtown uh italy

00:25:32.439 --> 00:25:35.220
almost you know yeah yeah the the downtown

00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.000
was with this this uh i forgot the

00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.221
the name of the cupola of course and

00:25:41.241 --> 00:25:43.702
um the square the big square where

00:25:43.742 --> 00:25:46.263
everybody's cheering up for the festival

00:25:46.304 --> 00:25:47.943
or whatever is happening in the in the

00:25:47.983 --> 00:25:50.704
b square and i tried to i tried

00:25:50.724 --> 00:25:52.645
to make that environment but it was to

00:25:52.746 --> 00:25:54.105
to put in in a way that in

00:25:54.165 --> 00:25:55.666
an american style sometimes with the

00:25:57.247 --> 00:26:00.008
with some places that look like an

00:26:00.048 --> 00:26:02.407
American, like a New Yorker street.

00:26:02.647 --> 00:26:03.688
The way it's done,

00:26:04.048 --> 00:26:07.108
it could be any little small town anywhere

00:26:07.128 --> 00:26:07.588
in the world.

00:26:08.388 --> 00:26:09.469
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:26:10.130 --> 00:26:12.329
And it absolutely captures that essence of

00:26:12.349 --> 00:26:15.891
that small town feel, celebrating their,

00:26:16.290 --> 00:26:19.750
you know, two hundredth anniversary,

00:26:20.070 --> 00:26:20.271
you know,

00:26:20.311 --> 00:26:22.231
of their city or their town or something,

00:26:22.291 --> 00:26:22.551
you know.

00:26:23.294 --> 00:26:25.976
So it's perfect.

00:26:26.676 --> 00:26:28.097
I said it reminded me a little bit

00:26:28.157 --> 00:26:30.900
like downtown in Europe,

00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:33.500
Italy or Germany or somewhere because it

00:26:33.520 --> 00:26:35.063
has that old school feel to it.

00:26:35.623 --> 00:26:37.423
But it could be literally just about

00:26:37.544 --> 00:26:38.984
anywhere in the world with that,

00:26:39.046 --> 00:26:40.807
the way the town feels.

00:26:41.067 --> 00:26:41.267
Yeah,

00:26:41.307 --> 00:26:43.788
the feel is that we are like in

00:26:43.929 --> 00:26:45.029
Europe, old town,

00:26:45.289 --> 00:26:48.752
but you feel the actual feel when you

00:26:48.833 --> 00:26:50.513
read it is like it can be anywhere.

00:26:50.987 --> 00:26:53.249
But they told me when they sent me

00:26:53.269 --> 00:26:55.369
the Bible, they said,

00:26:55.490 --> 00:26:58.952
we are lucky because about the character

00:26:59.053 --> 00:26:59.712
and the environment,

00:27:00.013 --> 00:27:01.634
it should be more European because this is

00:27:01.654 --> 00:27:03.476
something that was created.

00:27:03.736 --> 00:27:05.277
Yeah, it was a European folklore.

00:27:05.518 --> 00:27:06.258
Yeah, exactly.

00:27:06.518 --> 00:27:07.219
So they say, okay,

00:27:07.338 --> 00:27:08.299
you have to be like that.

00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:08.700
I said, oh,

00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:10.441
say no more because I'm from here.

00:27:11.102 --> 00:27:12.403
And so, yeah,

00:27:12.423 --> 00:27:14.124
but I tried to make it like a

00:27:14.163 --> 00:27:15.785
little bit pop because I don't like that

00:27:15.805 --> 00:27:18.366
it has to be so much European.

00:27:18.808 --> 00:27:20.630
realistic or obscure,

00:27:20.950 --> 00:27:22.550
I don't know how to say, dark.

00:27:24.070 --> 00:27:26.772
So I tried to level up a little

00:27:26.792 --> 00:27:27.952
bit more about that,

00:27:28.053 --> 00:27:30.034
level up about the darkness,

00:27:30.294 --> 00:27:33.875
a little bit about the pop side.

00:27:34.496 --> 00:27:35.997
And Jessica and Ethan,

00:27:36.156 --> 00:27:39.659
it was perfect in the script with the

00:27:39.699 --> 00:27:42.119
line of the character.

00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:44.260
It was perfect for describing,

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.801
to not be too much in...

00:27:47.719 --> 00:27:49.662
like in a dark opera and or too

00:27:49.682 --> 00:27:50.762
much in a comedy.

00:27:51.163 --> 00:27:52.285
It was perfect balance.

00:27:54.087 --> 00:27:55.209
It absolutely is.

00:27:55.308 --> 00:27:57.752
It's like, it feels cartoonish,

00:27:57.813 --> 00:28:01.176
but it doesn't really look cartoonish to a

00:28:01.217 --> 00:28:01.857
degree, you know?

00:28:02.739 --> 00:28:04.180
So you absolutely nailed that.

00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.982
So let's keep focusing on your creative

00:28:08.262 --> 00:28:09.104
side of things.

00:28:09.163 --> 00:28:11.164
And what are some of the tools or

00:28:11.204 --> 00:28:13.386
techniques that you use to work?

00:28:13.926 --> 00:28:16.509
Do you do digital or traditional or do

00:28:16.528 --> 00:28:18.529
you do like a hybrid of both?

00:28:19.010 --> 00:28:23.334
I used to learn to study and doing

00:28:23.374 --> 00:28:26.435
stuff in handmade, okay,

00:28:26.476 --> 00:28:27.576
with paper and ink.

00:28:28.156 --> 00:28:30.980
But then when I started to work in

00:28:31.040 --> 00:28:31.662
this field,

00:28:31.821 --> 00:28:34.926
I started to feel that it's too slow

00:28:34.967 --> 00:28:35.567
the process.

00:28:36.528 --> 00:28:39.333
I know the first thing that I noticed

00:28:39.353 --> 00:28:41.455
when I started to approach to the digital,

00:28:41.816 --> 00:28:44.259
it was like that everything is so cold.

00:28:45.816 --> 00:28:48.718
When you make hand draw, it's so vivid,

00:28:48.877 --> 00:28:50.578
so warm.

00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.122
You can feel the ink,

00:28:55.942 --> 00:28:58.103
the pencil and everything.

00:28:58.564 --> 00:28:59.284
And also the color.

00:28:59.324 --> 00:29:01.625
I used to color with the watercolor.

00:29:02.365 --> 00:29:04.787
And the first thing that I noticed when

00:29:04.826 --> 00:29:05.948
I started doing digital,

00:29:06.327 --> 00:29:09.809
it was like I lost that warm,

00:29:10.130 --> 00:29:11.810
that feeling of warm that I have when

00:29:11.911 --> 00:29:13.332
I draw on paper.

00:29:14.232 --> 00:29:17.595
But I find out there's plenty of,

00:29:17.795 --> 00:29:18.255
of course,

00:29:18.315 --> 00:29:19.955
like Clip Studio and Procreate with the

00:29:20.056 --> 00:29:22.957
iPad, that they have a lot of brushes.

00:29:23.518 --> 00:29:25.838
And I try to use the more brushes

00:29:25.878 --> 00:29:28.339
that I could when I draw for make

00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:29.701
it feel like it's a hand draw.

00:29:30.601 --> 00:29:31.942
And so...

00:29:33.117 --> 00:29:36.080
So yeah, sometimes like for the character,

00:29:36.101 --> 00:29:36.921
if I have an idea,

00:29:37.261 --> 00:29:39.584
I used to draw hand-drawn with the paper

00:29:39.604 --> 00:29:41.424
in front of me because it's cool.

00:29:42.046 --> 00:29:43.047
It's different.

00:29:43.307 --> 00:29:45.048
And then I take a photo and maybe

00:29:45.128 --> 00:29:46.430
after I ink on digital,

00:29:47.397 --> 00:29:48.459
But in the end,

00:29:48.479 --> 00:29:51.121
I started to go full digital because of,

00:29:51.401 --> 00:29:53.281
of course, the time, the deadline,

00:29:53.382 --> 00:29:55.644
and also because I could change more

00:29:55.703 --> 00:29:55.943
often.

00:29:56.243 --> 00:29:57.884
And this is good because sometimes I

00:29:58.144 --> 00:30:01.627
totally go on my way outside of the

00:30:01.667 --> 00:30:03.308
script sometimes because I feel like, oh,

00:30:03.368 --> 00:30:04.048
okay, let's do that.

00:30:04.509 --> 00:30:07.030
Or misunderstanding of the script

00:30:07.050 --> 00:30:08.711
sometimes happens because, of course,

00:30:09.011 --> 00:30:09.532
I'm Italian.

00:30:09.913 --> 00:30:11.574
I don't speak that good English.

00:30:11.653 --> 00:30:13.414
Sometimes it happens that I misunderstand

00:30:13.454 --> 00:30:13.776
something.

00:30:14.236 --> 00:30:17.157
And it happens more often than you think.

00:30:17.798 --> 00:30:19.759
And so making it digital,

00:30:19.798 --> 00:30:22.160
it was easier to me to correct that.

00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:25.622
And plus I find a way to like

00:30:25.642 --> 00:30:28.083
a schedule on doing up pages.

00:30:28.482 --> 00:30:32.005
So if I miss something like on a

00:30:32.125 --> 00:30:32.884
certain level,

00:30:32.984 --> 00:30:34.885
I put the background and another level I

00:30:34.925 --> 00:30:35.605
put the character.

00:30:35.865 --> 00:30:37.007
So sometimes when I have,

00:30:37.326 --> 00:30:39.127
I know the shot is good and I

00:30:39.167 --> 00:30:40.248
save the background,

00:30:40.348 --> 00:30:41.929
I have to change all of the character

00:30:42.249 --> 00:30:44.450
and I save a lot of time because

00:30:44.490 --> 00:30:45.651
I didn't flat everything.

00:30:46.363 --> 00:30:49.266
so in this way i but seeing that

00:30:49.405 --> 00:30:52.448
there was too too many layers and starting

00:30:52.468 --> 00:30:54.630
to save layers to flattening a little bit

00:30:55.009 --> 00:30:57.071
and i found this this way that if

00:30:57.132 --> 00:31:00.095
it perfectly i take like one day or

00:31:00.154 --> 00:31:03.017
two day for making up pages full pages

00:31:03.396 --> 00:31:04.738
with the letter and everything that's

00:31:04.758 --> 00:31:10.502
still really fast to do a in-depth page

00:31:10.542 --> 00:31:12.023
where you're you're not just

00:31:13.018 --> 00:31:15.159
doing the the line work you're also doing

00:31:15.179 --> 00:31:16.941
the colors and everything else on top of

00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:21.262
it yeah but you know the first time

00:31:21.604 --> 00:31:23.505
the first pages when we started in the

00:31:23.565 --> 00:31:25.885
first and the second they are the toughest

00:31:26.007 --> 00:31:27.627
one because you have to find out the

00:31:27.667 --> 00:31:30.529
mood the color palette and sometimes the

00:31:30.569 --> 00:31:32.990
character the concept of the people the

00:31:33.090 --> 00:31:34.172
new character there are

00:31:34.511 --> 00:31:37.053
they are they are popping up new in

00:31:37.073 --> 00:31:39.433
the new chapter so you have to feel

00:31:39.473 --> 00:31:41.134
a little bit the first pages are always

00:31:41.174 --> 00:31:43.536
like that it takes like five days maybe

00:31:43.855 --> 00:31:45.576
because you are back and forth to know

00:31:45.636 --> 00:31:48.998
no this this new character character it

00:31:49.018 --> 00:31:50.739
should be more like that and not more

00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.960
like that so this this light should be

00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:55.661
more like that and not like that so

00:31:55.701 --> 00:31:58.001
when we found out everything is go a

00:31:58.021 --> 00:31:58.902
little bit more smooth

00:31:59.673 --> 00:32:00.734
And then from there,

00:32:00.755 --> 00:32:03.496
it's starting to be more quick,

00:32:03.536 --> 00:32:04.096
the process.

00:32:04.797 --> 00:32:06.897
I'm glad you brought up characters because

00:32:07.939 --> 00:32:12.080
you have this amazing ability to bring out

00:32:12.181 --> 00:32:12.961
emotions

00:32:13.953 --> 00:32:15.815
And in the characters and their

00:32:15.935 --> 00:32:16.756
expressions,

00:32:17.737 --> 00:32:20.898
how do you approach emotions and movement

00:32:20.979 --> 00:32:23.580
and body language on a comic book page?

00:32:23.601 --> 00:32:25.883
Like, how do you normally go about that?

00:32:25.903 --> 00:32:28.025
Do you like pose yourself in front of

00:32:28.065 --> 00:32:28.984
a mirror and then draw?

00:32:30.165 --> 00:32:30.526
No.

00:32:32.866 --> 00:32:34.307
If you were a student,

00:32:34.367 --> 00:32:35.367
I'd say that you should do.

00:32:35.867 --> 00:32:40.691
But I told you when I started working,

00:32:40.730 --> 00:32:42.611
it was for storyboarding, right?

00:32:43.010 --> 00:32:43.132
Yes.

00:32:43.251 --> 00:32:45.432
And storyboarding learned to you to make

00:32:45.472 --> 00:32:48.673
it faster and super quickly recognizable

00:32:48.794 --> 00:32:50.233
for the people who are going to animate

00:32:50.835 --> 00:32:51.615
the expression.

00:32:51.855 --> 00:32:53.476
So you have to focus on that the

00:32:53.516 --> 00:32:55.836
fastest you can and the clearest that you

00:32:55.856 --> 00:32:56.057
can.

00:32:56.477 --> 00:32:58.318
And working like that for two years,

00:32:59.078 --> 00:33:03.762
let me improve that kind of way to

00:33:04.223 --> 00:33:06.965
build a face's expression on the

00:33:06.986 --> 00:33:07.365
character.

00:33:07.406 --> 00:33:09.268
The first thing that I do sometimes when

00:33:09.327 --> 00:33:11.170
I draw the rough with the pencil,

00:33:11.730 --> 00:33:13.390
Depends, okay, it's digital, but you know,

00:33:13.769 --> 00:33:14.131
you get it.

00:33:14.191 --> 00:33:14.770
It depends.

00:33:15.490 --> 00:33:18.171
It's like the actual position of the

00:33:18.250 --> 00:33:19.592
eyebrow, the eyes,

00:33:19.692 --> 00:33:21.132
and the sides of the mouth,

00:33:21.412 --> 00:33:23.873
because I know that kind of expression.

00:33:24.413 --> 00:33:25.492
It should be so,

00:33:25.553 --> 00:33:28.354
the pose of that expression should be like

00:33:28.394 --> 00:33:28.673
that.

00:33:28.933 --> 00:33:30.814
And it's starting to build the pose of,

00:33:31.433 --> 00:33:32.714
the position of the body.

00:33:33.555 --> 00:33:36.776
Only because I started like a stick man

00:33:38.096 --> 00:33:38.855
on his face.

00:33:39.493 --> 00:33:40.355
So it's like that.

00:33:40.394 --> 00:33:42.855
It's like sometimes, OK,

00:33:42.915 --> 00:33:45.478
sometimes I need some reference.

00:33:45.557 --> 00:33:47.739
Of course, I'm not everything in my mind.

00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:51.922
But it's something that is going to be

00:33:52.041 --> 00:33:54.423
less and less the more that I draw.

00:33:54.743 --> 00:33:57.326
Because it depends.

00:33:57.405 --> 00:33:58.365
It depends.

00:33:58.405 --> 00:34:00.386
Because this is super tough expression.

00:34:00.528 --> 00:34:02.528
Because you have to be like worn,

00:34:02.568 --> 00:34:03.328
but not worn.

00:34:04.630 --> 00:34:07.192
You should feel safe, but it's in danger.

00:34:07.571 --> 00:34:08.893
Something like that.

00:34:08.913 --> 00:34:10.494
That is different to mix up.

00:34:10.855 --> 00:34:14.038
So you have to see two expressions and

00:34:14.097 --> 00:34:16.760
try to mix up together or try to

00:34:16.780 --> 00:34:18.521
find some reference from another comic

00:34:18.541 --> 00:34:19.222
book that I wrote.

00:34:19.722 --> 00:34:20.983
Reading comic books, of course,

00:34:21.364 --> 00:34:22.186
helped me a lot.

00:34:22.286 --> 00:34:24.146
And also a lot of animation,

00:34:24.186 --> 00:34:25.027
a lot of series,

00:34:25.427 --> 00:34:26.789
cartoon series helped me a lot.

00:34:27.951 --> 00:34:32.655
with like primal is is amazing no it's

00:34:32.675 --> 00:34:33.856
really cool that you're like oh you'll

00:34:33.896 --> 00:34:36.958
have this expressive expressive like face

00:34:37.018 --> 00:34:39.119
and full head but then a stick figure

00:34:39.541 --> 00:34:40.481
and what i like about

00:34:41.556 --> 00:34:45.197
the the digital art like alps out there

00:34:45.217 --> 00:34:47.438
is like you can literally start with the

00:34:47.478 --> 00:34:49.818
stick figure and then you can rotate that

00:34:49.858 --> 00:34:52.559
stick figure and start building the levels

00:34:52.619 --> 00:34:54.519
of the body and the head and you

00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.320
you can just start with simple shapes i've

00:34:57.340 --> 00:34:59.780
seen artists that start with like circles

00:34:59.860 --> 00:35:03.041
and ovals and squares and then they start

00:35:03.181 --> 00:35:06.043
building the body and inking into it you

00:35:06.063 --> 00:35:08.664
know and it's really cool to watch those

00:35:09.827 --> 00:35:11.809
To watch an artist like you procreate or

00:35:11.829 --> 00:35:12.510
something like that,

00:35:13.949 --> 00:35:17.371
start with just simple circles and squares

00:35:17.431 --> 00:35:18.052
and rectangles.

00:35:18.132 --> 00:35:18.893
See, guidelines.

00:35:19.092 --> 00:35:20.733
Yeah, like guidelines.

00:35:21.934 --> 00:35:23.335
All of a sudden, next thing you know,

00:35:23.594 --> 00:35:25.476
there's this beautiful character in front

00:35:25.516 --> 00:35:28.378
of you, and you're like, holy shit,

00:35:28.438 --> 00:35:32.159
that's amazing that they took this square

00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:33.820
and round figure,

00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:35.501
and now you have this beautiful

00:35:35.561 --> 00:35:37.001
three-dimensional figure

00:35:37.425 --> 00:35:40.331
human being on the screen with muscles and

00:35:40.411 --> 00:35:43.534
veins and hair and facial features and

00:35:43.576 --> 00:35:46.639
teeth and just all these details built

00:35:46.780 --> 00:35:48.603
into it and very intricate

00:35:49.342 --> 00:35:51.724
And it just started with simple shapes.

00:35:52.206 --> 00:35:52.505
Yeah.

00:35:52.905 --> 00:35:54.387
It's really cool to see that.

00:35:54.407 --> 00:35:56.088
Yeah.

00:35:56.228 --> 00:35:57.550
I noticed the face of the people.

00:35:57.570 --> 00:35:58.690
When I went to look at comics,

00:35:58.771 --> 00:36:00.452
there's a comic on here in Luca.

00:36:00.972 --> 00:36:04.016
And I started to make the sketches on

00:36:05.416 --> 00:36:06.677
the book that I sell.

00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:11.983
And I started to do like I do

00:36:12.103 --> 00:36:12.664
in digital.

00:36:13.184 --> 00:36:15.525
So very rough, super rough,

00:36:15.646 --> 00:36:19.268
super rough character, like two lines,

00:36:19.367 --> 00:36:20.148
and then start thinking.

00:36:20.188 --> 00:36:20.989
And the people said, wait,

00:36:21.168 --> 00:36:22.809
I already started thinking.

00:36:22.889 --> 00:36:23.570
I said, yeah,

00:36:23.710 --> 00:36:25.391
because I drew it like a couple of

00:36:25.510 --> 00:36:27.492
hundred times, this character.

00:36:27.532 --> 00:36:29.954
So I feel comfortable about that.

00:36:30.193 --> 00:36:32.175
But also because sometimes it's up and

00:36:32.195 --> 00:36:34.076
down.

00:36:34.356 --> 00:36:37.137
Some people, some backgrounds...

00:36:38.094 --> 00:36:41.119
If you put too much in your pencil

00:36:41.438 --> 00:36:43.342
and you put too detail and it's super

00:36:43.382 --> 00:36:46.146
clean, when you start inking, you lose,

00:36:46.226 --> 00:36:47.306
I don't know what's happening,

00:36:47.648 --> 00:36:49.269
but they lose like soul.

00:36:49.389 --> 00:36:52.594
Like they start to be super rigid, super.

00:36:53.135 --> 00:36:54.916
And I said, they are not sketches.

00:36:54.936 --> 00:36:56.318
They are not dynamic anymore.

00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:59.519
You have to use the ink like it's

00:36:59.539 --> 00:37:03.262
a pencil, but in a proper way.

00:37:04.222 --> 00:37:05.422
When you put that line,

00:37:05.503 --> 00:37:06.903
you have to be sure that the line

00:37:06.943 --> 00:37:07.244
is good.

00:37:07.605 --> 00:37:09.284
So that is the trick for me.

00:37:09.385 --> 00:37:10.505
It's like, okay,

00:37:10.565 --> 00:37:12.766
I make this simple guideline,

00:37:13.067 --> 00:37:16.588
and then I go direct with my ink.

00:37:16.929 --> 00:37:19.070
But I go like it's a pencil,

00:37:19.371 --> 00:37:20.411
an adaptive pencil.

00:37:20.731 --> 00:37:22.512
And I'm not afraid of doing that because,

00:37:22.552 --> 00:37:23.472
of course, it's digital.

00:37:23.532 --> 00:37:25.313
So I came back if I lost that

00:37:25.353 --> 00:37:25.554
line.

00:37:26.132 --> 00:37:27.873
so that is the good part of the

00:37:27.893 --> 00:37:31.755
digital no i like it so shark hit

00:37:31.775 --> 00:37:35.376
it peter is a horror fantasy and that

00:37:35.416 --> 00:37:37.878
requires a lot of balancing of beauty and

00:37:37.918 --> 00:37:40.739
brutality how do you decide how far to

00:37:40.798 --> 00:37:44.300
push like the grotesqueness of the imagery

00:37:44.981 --> 00:37:46.802
and while still kind of maintaining that

00:37:46.902 --> 00:37:50.143
whimsical imagery that you see in the book

00:37:50.543 --> 00:37:53.644
because it's both is well shark hit it

00:37:53.684 --> 00:37:55.126
peter like yes he's this

00:37:56.141 --> 00:37:59.663
this entity this evil person but he's also

00:38:00.422 --> 00:38:03.684
not quite evil he's just yeah yeah you

00:38:03.704 --> 00:38:06.186
know it's a hard medium to find but

00:38:06.326 --> 00:38:09.487
you do it so well and like some

00:38:09.507 --> 00:38:13.190
of the way he punishes people like it's

00:38:13.530 --> 00:38:16.972
like holy hell like yeah it's cruel it's

00:38:17.072 --> 00:38:17.932
very cruel

00:38:18.853 --> 00:38:21.855
But the art and the color and everything

00:38:21.954 --> 00:38:23.516
of it, like, oh, yeah,

00:38:23.556 --> 00:38:24.956
he got what was coming to him.

00:38:25.036 --> 00:38:27.139
And it's very cruel the way it happened.

00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.561
But it never seems to lose that whimsical

00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.262
like energy about him.

00:38:32.302 --> 00:38:34.623
Like he's still like you're still rooting

00:38:34.643 --> 00:38:35.003
for him.

00:38:36.934 --> 00:38:38.295
How hard was it to kind of find

00:38:38.315 --> 00:38:39.838
that balance between those two?

00:38:39.878 --> 00:38:42.199
Because this could have been a very

00:38:42.500 --> 00:38:46.023
horror-based book, but you drug that line,

00:38:46.103 --> 00:38:48.646
you and Ethan and Jess,

00:38:49.106 --> 00:38:51.730
you towed the line very nicely down the

00:38:51.789 --> 00:38:53.652
middle to where it didn't go one way

00:38:53.692 --> 00:38:54.333
or the other.

00:38:55.092 --> 00:38:56.153
So how was that?

00:38:56.173 --> 00:38:56.655
How did you do it?

00:38:57.561 --> 00:39:00.465
I think that ninety percent of this trick

00:39:00.525 --> 00:39:04.869
of keeping balance of these two cruelty

00:39:04.969 --> 00:39:10.554
horror and lighting stuff is for Jessica

00:39:10.574 --> 00:39:10.936
and Ethan.

00:39:11.876 --> 00:39:14.179
Because the good line, the good shot,

00:39:14.358 --> 00:39:16.201
the good environment,

00:39:16.240 --> 00:39:21.085
the good concept that they decided to use

00:39:21.106 --> 00:39:21.166
it.

00:39:22.396 --> 00:39:25.960
uh keep it like that so you starting

00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:29.963
reading the story and you falling into

00:39:30.003 --> 00:39:33.264
some dark very dark stuff but they

00:39:33.284 --> 00:39:37.467
immediately take you out in another way so

00:39:38.128 --> 00:39:39.648
i think ninety percent about that the ten

00:39:39.668 --> 00:39:41.751
percent that i i've done with that it

00:39:41.771 --> 00:39:44.833
was like about shock at the peter without

00:39:44.893 --> 00:39:47.335
spoiling too much uh i see him like

00:39:47.355 --> 00:39:47.394
uh

00:39:48.266 --> 00:39:50.807
I seem like he's a, you know,

00:39:50.967 --> 00:39:55.231
the very tough teacher that they,

00:39:55.271 --> 00:39:55.791
you know,

00:39:55.871 --> 00:39:57.733
he want you to be the good,

00:39:58.632 --> 00:39:59.653
the best that you can,

00:40:00.074 --> 00:40:02.056
but he's very rude and he doesn't seem

00:40:02.096 --> 00:40:05.137
to show any love for you.

00:40:06.438 --> 00:40:07.960
Yeah, but in a kind of way,

00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.101
you feel like, I know you,

00:40:10.302 --> 00:40:11.762
I know you know, something like that.

00:40:12.043 --> 00:40:13.884
I know you want my best.

00:40:14.123 --> 00:40:16.545
Okay, so it's a kind of say,

00:40:16.626 --> 00:40:17.706
I love you, something like that.

00:40:18.226 --> 00:40:23.054
So this kind of situation makes me always

00:40:23.235 --> 00:40:27.121
acting when I draw him like this.

00:40:28.344 --> 00:40:30.646
this way, like he's a teacher,

00:40:30.706 --> 00:40:31.847
a very rough teacher,

00:40:31.887 --> 00:40:33.668
a very angry teacher.

00:40:35.289 --> 00:40:35.570
Yeah.

00:40:35.630 --> 00:40:37.271
Angry, let's say, with that smile.

00:40:39.313 --> 00:40:42.034
But in the end, Ruby knows about that.

00:40:42.474 --> 00:40:43.755
So the fact that,

00:40:43.876 --> 00:40:46.657
and also the fact that there's Ruby with

00:40:46.697 --> 00:40:49.360
this concept that is so innocent,

00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:51.762
I used to draw her always,

00:40:52.081 --> 00:40:54.402
the first time, like that, with the...

00:40:54.523 --> 00:40:54.804
Yeah.

00:40:54.864 --> 00:40:57.545
Yeah, with the...

00:40:58.547 --> 00:41:00.931
Azueda, right, Azueda is super huge,

00:41:01.311 --> 00:41:04.356
and with this hair, not so elaborate,

00:41:04.536 --> 00:41:06.257
very clean, very clean character, okay?

00:41:06.277 --> 00:41:06.378
Yeah.

00:41:06.838 --> 00:41:10.385
And him, super pointy, super pointy,

00:41:10.445 --> 00:41:11.365
to have to be like,

00:41:11.686 --> 00:41:12.447
you have to be afraid.

00:41:12.467 --> 00:41:13.909
You have to be afraid, yeah.

00:41:14.210 --> 00:41:14.791
Yeah, yeah.

00:41:14.831 --> 00:41:16.231
But in the end, in the end,

00:41:16.251 --> 00:41:17.612
it's super poignant, but he's slim.

00:41:17.693 --> 00:41:20.275
He moves like he knows what he is,

00:41:20.356 --> 00:41:21.996
always knows what is happening.

00:41:22.336 --> 00:41:24.518
I think the first thing that lets you

00:41:24.818 --> 00:41:26.061
chill out when you see shock and fear

00:41:26.081 --> 00:41:28.141
and not terrifying immediately is the fact

00:41:28.161 --> 00:41:31.885
that you see in his face that everything

00:41:31.925 --> 00:41:33.206
is going smooth with me.

00:41:34.067 --> 00:41:37.228
Everything I do is going smooth because I

00:41:37.268 --> 00:41:37.769
know everything.

00:41:37.789 --> 00:41:40.490
It's like it makes you feel that you

00:41:40.510 --> 00:41:41.271
know what it's doing,

00:41:41.552 --> 00:41:43.693
that it's always on the point.

00:41:44.614 --> 00:41:46.675
So I think that is the balance sometimes

00:41:46.695 --> 00:41:46.954
happens.

00:41:47.856 --> 00:41:48.356
Of course,

00:41:48.376 --> 00:41:50.898
sometimes it's happening some very strange

00:41:50.918 --> 00:41:52.358
stuff that you can see also in the

00:41:52.498 --> 00:41:52.878
Kickstarter,

00:41:52.898 --> 00:41:54.039
so I'm not spoiling everything.

00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:57.782
like a punishment is happening that if you

00:41:57.822 --> 00:42:00.322
see a closer look about what is actually

00:42:00.362 --> 00:42:01.563
happening you said oh my god it's

00:42:01.623 --> 00:42:08.186
terrifying but then you you see maybe the

00:42:08.226 --> 00:42:11.329
style maybe the the color in uh in

00:42:11.369 --> 00:42:13.289
that particular way you said okay okay

00:42:13.329 --> 00:42:15.130
okay i can i can handle it everything

00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:15.771
is going uh

00:42:16.038 --> 00:42:17.940
to be, I can handle it.

00:42:18.242 --> 00:42:19.744
It's not such horror, of course.

00:42:19.804 --> 00:42:20.065
I'm not,

00:42:21.106 --> 00:42:22.748
it seems like I'm too much of that,

00:42:22.829 --> 00:42:24.452
but no, no, no, it's not that horror.

00:42:24.972 --> 00:42:26.436
But you know, the balance with the color,

00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:28.760
He's helping out.

00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:29.820
I honestly, like,

00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:32.063
I really love the character of Ruby.

00:42:32.663 --> 00:42:34.244
And I like how we see her from

00:42:34.443 --> 00:42:36.606
the first one to the second one kind

00:42:36.666 --> 00:42:38.407
of evolving as a person.

00:42:39.128 --> 00:42:42.550
And her becoming more confident with

00:42:42.730 --> 00:42:43.791
Shaquette at Peter.

00:42:43.911 --> 00:42:44.552
Kind of like,

00:42:45.192 --> 00:42:46.532
I don't want to say he's a mentor

00:42:46.552 --> 00:42:47.012
to her.

00:42:47.454 --> 00:42:48.494
And I don't want to give away the

00:42:48.534 --> 00:42:48.974
story.

00:42:49.014 --> 00:42:50.175
But he's definitely...

00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.739
you can't tell whether his intentions are

00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.260
good or bad for her.

00:42:57.942 --> 00:42:58.942
And you're like, do you, you,

00:43:00.262 --> 00:43:01.603
but you still, at the end,

00:43:01.623 --> 00:43:03.905
you're still rooting for him and you're

00:43:03.945 --> 00:43:06.146
still wanting these great things for Ruby

00:43:06.166 --> 00:43:08.766
because the life that she's lived,

00:43:08.786 --> 00:43:10.628
she deserves to have that little bit of

00:43:10.648 --> 00:43:13.630
good, even if it comes from Peter,

00:43:13.670 --> 00:43:17.050
who may be giving her what she wants.

00:43:17.170 --> 00:43:18.291
And then a, uh,

00:43:19.704 --> 00:43:20.467
A redemption.

00:43:21.047 --> 00:43:22.009
Yeah, exactly.

00:43:22.070 --> 00:43:22.469
Yes.

00:43:22.710 --> 00:43:23.132
A redemption.

00:43:23.152 --> 00:43:23.672
A redemption.

00:43:24.949 --> 00:43:27.329
Yeah, me too.

00:43:27.349 --> 00:43:29.451
When first I saw the script and I

00:43:29.550 --> 00:43:32.371
just read the synopsis, I said, okay,

00:43:32.452 --> 00:43:33.572
let me see what happened.

00:43:34.092 --> 00:43:35.773
And then I stopped it.

00:43:35.853 --> 00:43:37.173
I said, as I told you,

00:43:37.293 --> 00:43:39.054
I stopped it and I started reading like

00:43:39.114 --> 00:43:42.797
five to ten pages at a time because

00:43:42.856 --> 00:43:45.637
I didn't want to spoil myself the story

00:43:46.038 --> 00:43:48.579
because I want to grow up with Ruby.

00:43:48.759 --> 00:43:49.318
I'm with you.

00:43:51.016 --> 00:43:54.338
cheering up with ruby but also so you

00:43:54.378 --> 00:43:56.981
know uh curious about the way he's

00:43:57.001 --> 00:44:00.525
evolving shock at the peter peter and um

00:44:00.606 --> 00:44:02.106
it's one of those where when they sent

00:44:02.126 --> 00:44:04.028
me the press release for the book it's

00:44:04.068 --> 00:44:05.670
just like the first i think five or

00:44:05.731 --> 00:44:08.833
ten pages and i'm like i'm so glad

00:44:08.853 --> 00:44:10.596
they didn't like send me like the whole

00:44:10.635 --> 00:44:13.137
book because i went back i ordered issue

00:44:13.338 --> 00:44:13.458
one

00:44:14.418 --> 00:44:16.539
yeah issue one and now i'm sitting here

00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.920
like i'm gonna read issue one again when

00:44:19.021 --> 00:44:21.942
issue two gets here just because it's

00:44:22.242 --> 00:44:24.702
really that good they have put together a

00:44:25.003 --> 00:44:27.903
phenomenal phenomenal story for everybody

00:44:27.943 --> 00:44:31.565
to enjoy with your artwork and it just

00:44:31.726 --> 00:44:34.766
it's it's beautiful together because it

00:44:34.827 --> 00:44:37.347
matches so well your art in their story

00:44:38.288 --> 00:44:40.791
it's like one person did everything

00:44:40.811 --> 00:44:44.373
because it's very seamless with each other

00:44:44.974 --> 00:44:47.356
it's not overbearing it's not like a lot

00:44:47.396 --> 00:44:50.260
of words because it the story is tell

00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:52.101
like the art is telling the story and

00:44:52.121 --> 00:44:56.726
the words are just amplifying the art so

00:44:56.827 --> 00:44:59.048
it's very it's done very well

00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:02.420
thank you yeah no i i hope i

00:45:02.481 --> 00:45:04.440
make a i made a good job because

00:45:04.521 --> 00:45:07.681
you know the the fact that we comic

00:45:07.742 --> 00:45:10.483
artists always think that the page that we

00:45:10.503 --> 00:45:12.603
have done now is better than the old

00:45:12.623 --> 00:45:15.664
the page the the previous page and so

00:45:16.204 --> 00:45:19.186
on and we'll never stop this guilty what

00:45:19.306 --> 00:45:20.085
you read a comic book and you look

00:45:20.106 --> 00:45:22.266
at a comic book

00:45:23.027 --> 00:45:26.110
from the first page to the last page,

00:45:26.210 --> 00:45:29.233
each page will get better as you go,

00:45:29.253 --> 00:45:32.277
because either the artist is just how they

00:45:32.456 --> 00:45:34.798
are, or they really love the story,

00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:36.360
and they're just trying to one-up

00:45:36.380 --> 00:45:37.742
themselves as they go.

00:45:38.402 --> 00:45:38.583
Yeah,

00:45:38.623 --> 00:45:41.726
because you feel inside of the story more

00:45:41.746 --> 00:45:42.206
and more,

00:45:42.347 --> 00:45:44.028
and you're starting to draw more and more

00:45:44.128 --> 00:45:45.911
often the people, the ambience,

00:45:45.951 --> 00:45:46.090
the

00:45:46.706 --> 00:45:49.510
the backgrounds all together and you get

00:45:49.550 --> 00:45:51.713
confident and you feel like you are inside

00:45:51.753 --> 00:45:54.016
of that story sometimes no when you read

00:45:54.036 --> 00:45:56.318
this story when you read shock edit peter

00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.822
for those anybody on the fence go to

00:45:58.842 --> 00:46:00.864
the website check out shock edit peter

00:46:02.364 --> 00:46:03.846
it's really one of those stories that

00:46:03.905 --> 00:46:06.527
pulls you in like you're a character in

00:46:06.567 --> 00:46:08.307
it and you're literally just standing on

00:46:08.327 --> 00:46:12.449
the outside watching this beautiful you

00:46:12.469 --> 00:46:15.291
know story take place and i say beautiful

00:46:15.311 --> 00:46:18.012
because whereas it is a kind of a

00:46:18.112 --> 00:46:21.934
horror fantasy but the way you're rooting

00:46:21.954 --> 00:46:23.715
for all the right people for all the

00:46:23.755 --> 00:46:25.456
right reasons and you hope you're doing it

00:46:25.476 --> 00:46:27.597
for the it's the right thing to do

00:46:28.398 --> 00:46:28.757
you know

00:46:29.724 --> 00:46:31.425
But let's keep pressing.

00:46:32.005 --> 00:46:35.686
So how much of your Italian cultural

00:46:35.726 --> 00:46:38.467
background influences the tone or design

00:46:39.007 --> 00:46:40.489
of your characters and worlds?

00:46:40.509 --> 00:46:42.789
Because like I said,

00:46:42.809 --> 00:46:44.130
when I first see it and knowing you're

00:46:44.190 --> 00:46:45.110
Italian, I was like,

00:46:45.130 --> 00:46:46.411
this kind of does feel like a small

00:46:46.471 --> 00:46:48.291
Italian town somewhere, you know?

00:46:49.072 --> 00:46:50.213
So how much of that,

00:46:50.273 --> 00:46:52.014
and just not just in Shock-Headed Peter,

00:46:52.034 --> 00:46:52.853
but in your other work,

00:46:52.893 --> 00:46:54.815
does like your culture and your background

00:46:54.855 --> 00:46:56.916
kind of influence that work?

00:46:58.655 --> 00:46:59.335
First thing first,

00:46:59.516 --> 00:47:01.159
I have to say that in the Bible,

00:47:01.179 --> 00:47:03.983
there was right about the character.

00:47:04.264 --> 00:47:06.728
When first we approach to the concept of

00:47:06.768 --> 00:47:07.190
the people,

00:47:07.230 --> 00:47:08.672
of the character inside of the comics,

00:47:09.375 --> 00:47:12.255
they show me the mask of Italian mask,

00:47:12.416 --> 00:47:14.396
like Pulcinella, all the stuff that said,

00:47:14.476 --> 00:47:16.456
you know, that kind of theater mask,

00:47:16.677 --> 00:47:17.858
Italian, of course, I know.

00:47:18.338 --> 00:47:19.358
I said, okay, perfect.

00:47:19.438 --> 00:47:19.998
It's perfect.

00:47:20.137 --> 00:47:21.639
And,

00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.719
and then we starting to do the concept

00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:26.000
with that, with the,

00:47:26.300 --> 00:47:28.121
with theater masks of the Italian

00:47:28.141 --> 00:47:28.581
folklore.

00:47:29.141 --> 00:47:33.202
Then I put more inside of the town.

00:47:33.442 --> 00:47:35.523
Like, you know, I always think that,

00:47:36.289 --> 00:47:38.490
about the south of Italy because I'm

00:47:38.590 --> 00:47:41.452
living in Rome right now by my origins

00:47:41.492 --> 00:47:43.855
in south of Italy and I remember all

00:47:43.934 --> 00:47:46.876
this little town little city also that

00:47:46.896 --> 00:47:49.059
they have you know hanging out their

00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.840
clothes one window to the another because

00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:57.925
they are very tiny very tiny streets and

00:47:58.525 --> 00:48:01.288
so I tried to put everything in there

00:48:01.547 --> 00:48:03.048
also because I love the fact that

00:48:03.409 --> 00:48:05.751
everything is happening in this kind of

00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:07.800
closed streets.

00:48:08.019 --> 00:48:09.581
Yes, yes.

00:48:09.601 --> 00:48:09.981
I love that.

00:48:10.001 --> 00:48:10.682
It's very much like,

00:48:10.922 --> 00:48:13.985
it feels just like a little small town.

00:48:14.045 --> 00:48:15.947
It's just like a few blocks, it feels.

00:48:16.809 --> 00:48:17.090
Yeah,

00:48:17.190 --> 00:48:19.112
that it feels like that the people inside

00:48:19.152 --> 00:48:21.914
of there is a huge whole family,

00:48:22.534 --> 00:48:25.177
and if it's happening like it's happening

00:48:25.197 --> 00:48:26.599
that Choquette de Peter starts his

00:48:26.699 --> 00:48:28.561
punishment, the people react...

00:48:29.710 --> 00:48:30.530
very loudly,

00:48:30.570 --> 00:48:32.773
because it feels like they are a huge

00:48:32.793 --> 00:48:33.112
family.

00:48:33.333 --> 00:48:35.416
That is actually how it works,

00:48:35.476 --> 00:48:36.936
the little town in Italy,

00:48:37.237 --> 00:48:38.659
because they are so close together,

00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:40.139
they live so close together,

00:48:40.601 --> 00:48:42.181
and in this tiny street,

00:48:42.262 --> 00:48:44.585
everybody knows everything of the other

00:48:44.625 --> 00:48:44.905
people.

00:48:45.445 --> 00:48:47.327
So... Yeah, and it's very...

00:48:47.347 --> 00:48:49.048
You see that in the story, too.

00:48:49.108 --> 00:48:50.630
Like, everybody knows everybody there.

00:48:50.831 --> 00:48:52.452
Yeah, everybody knows everybody,

00:48:52.512 --> 00:48:53.431
the mayor, everything.

00:48:53.713 --> 00:48:55.193
So it fits perfectly.

00:48:55.333 --> 00:48:57.875
It's amplified the fact that the streets

00:48:57.914 --> 00:49:01.257
are so tiny and everything is happening

00:49:01.336 --> 00:49:01.597
there.

00:49:01.657 --> 00:49:03.958
Everybody knows what's going on and

00:49:03.998 --> 00:49:05.818
they're just panicking about that,

00:49:05.898 --> 00:49:06.719
about shock at the Peter.

00:49:06.759 --> 00:49:09.440
This outside environment is popping up.

00:49:10.257 --> 00:49:12.400
so yeah i think that is our italian

00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:14.581
culture i think also i can put inside

00:49:14.641 --> 00:49:16.543
of my italian culture that everything is a

00:49:16.623 --> 00:49:20.088
huge family so well though it fits the

00:49:20.128 --> 00:49:23.711
story it fits the vibe but let's let's

00:49:23.811 --> 00:49:26.094
let's talk a little bit about working in

00:49:26.275 --> 00:49:27.956
indie comics and like some of the

00:49:27.976 --> 00:49:29.998
collaborate collaboration that happens

00:49:30.018 --> 00:49:31.400
within the comic books

00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.822
So when you're collaborating with writers,

00:49:34.302 --> 00:49:37.242
whether it's Ethan or Jess or whoever,

00:49:37.682 --> 00:49:39.884
what's the biggest thing that you need

00:49:39.903 --> 00:49:42.045
from them to bring out the best version

00:49:42.125 --> 00:49:45.166
of your art to that project?

00:49:45.985 --> 00:49:46.827
As I say,

00:49:46.867 --> 00:49:48.407
the first things that I say to Jessica

00:49:48.427 --> 00:49:49.967
and Ethan when we start working,

00:49:50.307 --> 00:49:51.967
it was like, yeah,

00:49:52.068 --> 00:49:54.789
I appreciate when you put the directory

00:49:54.909 --> 00:49:56.789
and the shots how it should be.

00:49:56.909 --> 00:49:57.590
I appreciate that.

00:49:57.610 --> 00:49:57.931
I love it.

00:49:59.257 --> 00:50:00.557
It helped me a lot.

00:50:01.099 --> 00:50:03.400
But I think the most important thing that

00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.081
you have to write is the feeling that

00:50:06.161 --> 00:50:08.001
the panels have to have,

00:50:08.420 --> 00:50:14.344
like how the character feel and how the

00:50:14.384 --> 00:50:16.003
environment should feel like.

00:50:16.103 --> 00:50:18.125
Because if you say it's like something

00:50:18.184 --> 00:50:18.844
terrifying,

00:50:19.224 --> 00:50:20.706
I know that my color palette and

00:50:20.746 --> 00:50:22.547
everything and my shots are to go there.

00:50:22.947 --> 00:50:25.168
So I prefer the emotion of the people,

00:50:25.208 --> 00:50:27.248
the feeling of the people and the mood

00:50:27.289 --> 00:50:28.369
of the environment.

00:50:28.748 --> 00:50:30.510
that is the first things that i want

00:50:30.550 --> 00:50:32.353
to know that helped me a lot then

00:50:32.474 --> 00:50:35.097
the shots of course helped me but i

00:50:35.137 --> 00:50:37.500
know i'm a bad comic drawer because

00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:39.242
sometimes i mess up i said ah can

00:50:39.282 --> 00:50:41.304
i use this kind of shot differently that

00:50:41.364 --> 00:50:43.447
had this road and i said okay it's

00:50:43.467 --> 00:50:44.789
fine they say always it's fine

00:50:45.429 --> 00:50:47.269
But it takes me a lot of freedom

00:50:47.309 --> 00:50:47.869
sometimes.

00:50:47.949 --> 00:50:48.809
But that is the good,

00:50:48.829 --> 00:50:49.811
because sometimes you say, no, no,

00:50:50.150 --> 00:50:51.070
it's better in that way.

00:50:51.190 --> 00:50:52.472
And they say to me, why?

00:50:52.492 --> 00:50:54.092
I say, OK, yeah, of course, you're right.

00:50:54.532 --> 00:50:56.632
I'm just going too much on that.

00:50:56.972 --> 00:50:59.653
And sometimes it's happening that I have a

00:50:59.713 --> 00:51:00.773
good idea that, oh, nice,

00:51:00.914 --> 00:51:01.855
that is a good idea.

00:51:02.175 --> 00:51:03.994
As they say with you last time,

00:51:04.014 --> 00:51:05.695
you said that sometimes they change the

00:51:05.735 --> 00:51:07.956
line a little bit for fitting inside of

00:51:07.996 --> 00:51:08.436
the panel.

00:51:08.956 --> 00:51:10.757
I feel guilty, a lot of guilty.

00:51:10.797 --> 00:51:12.458
But they say that it works so well

00:51:12.498 --> 00:51:14.398
that they change it a little bit.

00:51:14.778 --> 00:51:16.280
and i think this is the best way

00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.739
to collaborate with someone uh when i

00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:21.121
wrote uh when they wrote the the story

00:51:21.141 --> 00:51:22.501
and when i do i have to draw

00:51:22.581 --> 00:51:25.862
it because it's a cooperative stuff if you

00:51:25.902 --> 00:51:28.123
want to bring it up it's a whole

00:51:28.143 --> 00:51:30.605
lot like i tell people that all the

00:51:30.644 --> 00:51:34.565
time is what makes my life easier when

00:51:34.626 --> 00:51:36.186
i'm bringing people on is just to

00:51:36.246 --> 00:51:39.027
communicate with me let me know

00:51:39.688 --> 00:51:42.896
like i can if i send you my

00:51:42.936 --> 00:51:45.202
calendar like hey here's what i currently

00:51:45.262 --> 00:51:46.485
have scheduled

00:51:47.293 --> 00:51:49.534
Just pick a day and pick a time.

00:51:49.755 --> 00:51:51.215
I will make it work for you.

00:51:51.996 --> 00:51:54.199
And you were very easy with that.

00:51:54.998 --> 00:51:56.541
And when I asked for stuff,

00:51:56.561 --> 00:51:57.961
like I emailed you and I was like,

00:51:58.061 --> 00:51:59.483
hey, Sabe,

00:51:59.523 --> 00:52:01.284
can I get like a logo or just

00:52:01.324 --> 00:52:03.005
something so I can advertise you coming on

00:52:03.045 --> 00:52:03.405
the show?

00:52:03.445 --> 00:52:06.668
And you're like, boom, here you go.

00:52:06.688 --> 00:52:08.469
I cut a little bit of hair for

00:52:08.849 --> 00:52:11.612
matching my draw of myself for the logo.

00:52:11.632 --> 00:52:13.614
Dude, the logo was perfect, dude.

00:52:13.653 --> 00:52:14.894
I was just like, when you sent it,

00:52:14.954 --> 00:52:15.416
I'm like...

00:52:16.445 --> 00:52:17.706
Like, he really sent me just, like,

00:52:17.766 --> 00:52:19.427
a badass piece of art to say.

00:52:21.088 --> 00:52:22.608
It was so well done.

00:52:22.628 --> 00:52:23.710
I'm just like.

00:52:23.750 --> 00:52:26.391
I drew it literally one day because I

00:52:26.411 --> 00:52:28.112
said that we need something to show you

00:52:28.172 --> 00:52:28.273
up.

00:52:28.333 --> 00:52:29.753
And I didn't want to show my face

00:52:29.773 --> 00:52:30.074
a little bit.

00:52:30.094 --> 00:52:30.574
You did that in one day?

00:52:30.614 --> 00:52:31.695
Come on, dude.

00:52:32.474 --> 00:52:34.516
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:34.536 --> 00:52:36.257
I kind of feel like it was something

00:52:36.297 --> 00:52:37.878
that I should look like me.

00:52:37.958 --> 00:52:39.460
But I messed up.

00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:39.920
You sent it to me.

00:52:41.860 --> 00:52:44.204
And I looked at it and I was

00:52:44.284 --> 00:52:45.144
like, oh, that's Sabi.

00:52:45.164 --> 00:52:45.304
Oh, dang.

00:52:45.344 --> 00:52:45.905
Like, I knew it was you.

00:52:45.925 --> 00:52:46.666
Like, it was like, I'm like, dude,

00:52:46.686 --> 00:52:47.387
this is so good.

00:52:47.806 --> 00:52:47.947
Like,

00:52:47.987 --> 00:52:49.188
I thought it was just something that you

00:52:49.248 --> 00:52:50.090
had laying around.

00:52:50.150 --> 00:52:51.251
I didn't realize, like,

00:52:51.630 --> 00:52:52.972
you just drew it on the spot.

00:52:52.992 --> 00:52:54.173
It was just like.

00:52:54.193 --> 00:52:54.414
Yeah, no, no.

00:52:54.434 --> 00:52:55.775
I drew it because one day they asked

00:52:55.815 --> 00:52:56.835
me, like, you asked us,

00:52:57.097 --> 00:52:59.239
did you have something for putting in a

00:52:59.278 --> 00:53:00.000
logo or something?

00:53:00.019 --> 00:53:01.001
So I said, okay, let's make like,

00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:04.184
my portfolio have that one big,

00:53:04.565 --> 00:53:05.826
first pages portfolio,

00:53:05.846 --> 00:53:06.806
like a Saba portfolio.

00:53:07.106 --> 00:53:08.947
And I have that image because I felt

00:53:08.987 --> 00:53:09.847
like, well, okay,

00:53:09.887 --> 00:53:11.188
maybe it's not too serious.

00:53:11.228 --> 00:53:12.869
You make a draw of yourself.

00:53:12.889 --> 00:53:13.230
I don't know.

00:53:13.250 --> 00:53:16.231
It's so freaking good.

00:53:16.351 --> 00:53:17.972
And I was just like, thank you.

00:53:17.992 --> 00:53:18.873
I don't know.

00:53:18.932 --> 00:53:19.474
It's just like,

00:53:20.014 --> 00:53:22.135
dude this is like the coolest thing ever

00:53:22.155 --> 00:53:23.818
like he just was like hey use this

00:53:23.978 --> 00:53:26.239
i'm like i'm using a work of art

00:53:26.260 --> 00:53:29.083
okay yeah did you notice all of the

00:53:29.242 --> 00:53:31.784
drawing in the background of my there's my

00:53:31.945 --> 00:53:34.166
okay my stupid face in front and in

00:53:34.206 --> 00:53:36.509
the background there's all a lot doodles

00:53:36.610 --> 00:53:41.253
okay of yeah yeah the one little doodle

00:53:41.293 --> 00:53:42.255
up at the top as well

00:53:43.193 --> 00:53:44.474
Yeah, on the top of well,

00:53:44.554 --> 00:53:46.496
like the balloon one with the doodle was

00:53:46.976 --> 00:53:47.416
drawing.

00:53:47.476 --> 00:53:48.836
Because it's like, it's so serious,

00:53:48.896 --> 00:53:49.496
the faces.

00:53:49.916 --> 00:53:51.137
And then in the balloon,

00:53:51.217 --> 00:53:52.998
there's a smiling face.

00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:53.199
Yeah,

00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:55.340
that was one of my favorite things to

00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:55.599
see.

00:53:55.619 --> 00:53:56.420
Because it was just like,

00:53:56.699 --> 00:53:58.181
you could see the doodles in the back,

00:53:58.221 --> 00:53:59.822
and then just up there, like very.

00:54:01.141 --> 00:54:02.282
Yeah,

00:54:03.184 --> 00:54:11.869
the message is that my anxiousness is

00:54:13.210 --> 00:54:13.650
released.

00:54:13.710 --> 00:54:15.831
It's like calmed down by the fact that

00:54:15.871 --> 00:54:16.431
I'm drawing.

00:54:16.672 --> 00:54:18.012
So when I'm drawing, I'm happy.

00:54:18.172 --> 00:54:20.034
That is the point of the message.

00:54:20.434 --> 00:54:22.014
No, it was so good.

00:54:22.054 --> 00:54:22.835
And I was just like...

00:54:23.456 --> 00:54:24.295
I like it.

00:54:24.615 --> 00:54:26.197
And when I was saying, like,

00:54:26.237 --> 00:54:29.137
just communicating with people and like,

00:54:29.157 --> 00:54:30.798
I'm not going to ask you for something

00:54:30.838 --> 00:54:33.860
that I feel is going to take away

00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:35.900
from what you're trying to do like.

00:54:37.543 --> 00:54:39.025
I want people to come on the show,

00:54:39.085 --> 00:54:40.047
but I'm like, hey,

00:54:40.126 --> 00:54:41.248
if you're going to come on the show,

00:54:41.367 --> 00:54:43.971
I need you to at least send me

00:54:44.030 --> 00:54:45.992
a press release or I need you to

00:54:46.052 --> 00:54:48.375
send me the first five or ten pages

00:54:48.434 --> 00:54:50.217
of the book if it's done.

00:54:51.097 --> 00:54:51.838
Likely for me,

00:54:52.278 --> 00:54:54.181
that was Ethan and Jessica who sent you

00:54:54.260 --> 00:54:54.641
everything.

00:54:55.862 --> 00:54:57.423
Yeah, that was...

00:54:58.485 --> 00:55:01.567
when that one yeah but it is it's

00:55:01.586 --> 00:55:02.987
like i'm not asking i don't wanna i'm

00:55:03.007 --> 00:55:05.369
not stealing your i'm never gonna do that

00:55:05.389 --> 00:55:08.112
i i just want i gotta have something

00:55:08.132 --> 00:55:09.833
to use to be able to talk to

00:55:09.853 --> 00:55:11.733
you and have a discussion with you and

00:55:11.773 --> 00:55:15.697
to you know display what it is that

00:55:15.717 --> 00:55:19.559
you're bringing to the world and um and

00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:22.021
it's sometimes hard to get people to want

00:55:22.061 --> 00:55:23.001
to do that

00:55:24.695 --> 00:55:25.695
And I don't know why.

00:55:25.835 --> 00:55:27.836
It's like... I don't know.

00:55:28.237 --> 00:55:28.797
As I told you,

00:55:28.838 --> 00:55:32.960
this is my second time in total that

00:55:33.101 --> 00:55:34.443
I am in a podcast.

00:55:34.483 --> 00:55:36.143
The first one, as I told you,

00:55:36.204 --> 00:55:38.766
it was an Italian podcast inside of the

00:55:38.865 --> 00:55:39.867
Comic-Con there.

00:55:40.387 --> 00:55:41.949
And that was the really first time.

00:55:41.989 --> 00:55:43.050
This is my second first time.

00:55:43.070 --> 00:55:43.650
I said, oh my God,

00:55:43.670 --> 00:55:45.030
I have to do it in English.

00:55:45.291 --> 00:55:45.692
Perfect.

00:55:46.291 --> 00:55:46.992
Nothing would be...

00:55:47.012 --> 00:55:49.394
You're absolutely killing it, dude.

00:55:51.233 --> 00:55:53.954
And when I had mentioned it to Jess

00:55:54.215 --> 00:55:55.994
and Ethan, and they were like,

00:55:56.014 --> 00:55:56.914
we'll take care of everything.

00:55:56.934 --> 00:55:57.795
We'll get you set up.

00:55:57.835 --> 00:55:58.976
We'll introduce y'all.

00:55:59.715 --> 00:56:02.376
And you were very easy to work with.

00:56:02.396 --> 00:56:03.717
You were just like, hey,

00:56:04.496 --> 00:56:06.237
and I know you're in the UK.

00:56:06.396 --> 00:56:07.458
Well, I know you're in Italy.

00:56:08.018 --> 00:56:09.538
And I knew the time difference.

00:56:09.717 --> 00:56:12.219
And all my other friends who are in

00:56:12.259 --> 00:56:13.199
the UK, I'm like,

00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:14.478
when I do a show with them,

00:56:15.259 --> 00:56:17.659
I'm like, hey, it's like a good time.

00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:18.119
It's like...

00:56:19.030 --> 00:56:20.873
early to mid afternoon for y'all.

00:56:20.952 --> 00:56:22.534
So yeah,

00:56:23.894 --> 00:56:27.798
the sun is going up over here.

00:56:28.340 --> 00:56:28.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:29.260
No, no,

00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:30.862
but for me it's fine because I usually,

00:56:31.181 --> 00:56:33.143
I felt really messed up, uh,

00:56:34.125 --> 00:56:35.385
schedule about my work.

00:56:35.713 --> 00:56:37.755
Because sometimes I work like until the

00:56:38.074 --> 00:56:39.175
four a.m.

00:56:39.576 --> 00:56:40.896
in the morning, until.

00:56:41.217 --> 00:56:43.498
So I remember once the Eden wrote to

00:56:43.518 --> 00:56:46.179
me and they say, okay, this and that.

00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:47.581
And I said, okay, it's fine.

00:56:47.820 --> 00:56:48.280
I reply.

00:56:48.340 --> 00:56:49.141
I said, oh my God,

00:56:49.342 --> 00:56:51.182
but there in Italy is like four a.m.

00:56:51.242 --> 00:56:52.023
Why did you answer?

00:56:52.043 --> 00:56:53.224
I said, I don't worry about it.

00:56:59.327 --> 00:57:00.527
I sent you that email.

00:57:00.547 --> 00:57:02.349
It was like eleven o'clock at night or

00:57:02.409 --> 00:57:04.731
something because I had just finished the

00:57:04.771 --> 00:57:05.170
show.

00:57:05.190 --> 00:57:06.411
I was like, oh,

00:57:06.492 --> 00:57:07.871
I need something to say.

00:57:07.891 --> 00:57:08.813
You're coming on the show.

00:57:10.074 --> 00:57:11.994
I didn't want to just grab something from

00:57:12.255 --> 00:57:14.275
what Jess and Ethan sent me.

00:57:14.356 --> 00:57:14.916
I was just like,

00:57:15.336 --> 00:57:16.217
I'm just going to see if he has

00:57:16.237 --> 00:57:17.717
like a logo that he likes to use

00:57:17.757 --> 00:57:19.079
or something, just something simple.

00:57:19.949 --> 00:57:20.730
Yeah, yeah.

00:57:20.750 --> 00:57:21.550
And then I sent it,

00:57:21.610 --> 00:57:22.630
and I was just like, fuck,

00:57:22.650 --> 00:57:25.032
he's probably in bed.

00:57:25.413 --> 00:57:25.914
That time,

00:57:26.074 --> 00:57:28.436
I remember I was going to bed maybe.

00:57:28.576 --> 00:57:30.217
It was really late.

00:57:30.536 --> 00:57:32.418
Because I told you I mess up everything

00:57:32.518 --> 00:57:35.141
in my life about the schedule.

00:57:35.601 --> 00:57:37.041
Yesterday, when you wrote to me,

00:57:37.101 --> 00:57:37.782
I was in the pub.

00:57:37.922 --> 00:57:38.804
It was like...

00:57:39.463 --> 00:57:41.206
I'm hanging out with my friend and then

00:57:41.226 --> 00:57:42.628
you wrote to me and said, okay,

00:57:43.007 --> 00:57:43.588
for tomorrow.

00:57:44.090 --> 00:57:46.112
And yeah, because it depends.

00:57:46.693 --> 00:57:47.773
Doing smart working,

00:57:47.833 --> 00:57:49.936
that is the good part because you can

00:57:50.016 --> 00:57:53.981
choose whatever schedule and timing you

00:57:54.021 --> 00:57:55.443
prefer and you feel better.

00:57:55.463 --> 00:57:55.704
Yeah.

00:57:56.443 --> 00:57:57.704
So I'm telling you,

00:57:57.724 --> 00:57:59.925
that's that's like the ultimate goal right

00:57:59.945 --> 00:58:00.226
there.

00:58:00.246 --> 00:58:03.206
It's just this full time and get to

00:58:03.226 --> 00:58:05.728
talk to other creators just full time.

00:58:05.768 --> 00:58:07.347
Just like I don't want to say it,

00:58:07.407 --> 00:58:09.409
but this is the purpose of because I

00:58:09.429 --> 00:58:12.329
want to be your own boss and make

00:58:12.349 --> 00:58:12.831
your own.

00:58:13.931 --> 00:58:16.512
That's like the perfect job.

00:58:16.552 --> 00:58:19.853
My ultimate goal is to do whenever I

00:58:19.893 --> 00:58:21.014
want, whatever I want.

00:58:22.802 --> 00:58:25.364
So what is your favorite part of

00:58:25.403 --> 00:58:29.726
translating what they send you into visual

00:58:29.827 --> 00:58:30.626
storytelling?

00:58:30.646 --> 00:58:33.369
What's your favorite part of that?

00:58:33.449 --> 00:58:35.851
About the script, the part of the story?

00:58:35.911 --> 00:58:36.650
Yeah.

00:58:36.670 --> 00:58:38.893
Translating the script into the story.

00:58:39.612 --> 00:58:39.893
Okay.

00:58:40.454 --> 00:58:45.516
I think I'm a very, as I said,

00:58:45.876 --> 00:58:46.998
simple man.

00:58:47.217 --> 00:58:49.338
And everything is going to be

00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:50.340
action-driven.

00:58:51.184 --> 00:58:54.146
is really funny to true so when they

00:58:54.186 --> 00:58:56.047
send to me something that is happening

00:58:56.148 --> 00:58:59.670
like huge uh stuff like uh i told

00:58:59.690 --> 00:59:03.034
you the punishment or uh or that's

00:59:03.094 --> 00:59:06.317
probably my favorite punishment that i

00:59:06.336 --> 00:59:07.838
that that they sent it that's a part

00:59:07.858 --> 00:59:10.099
of the press package and i was just

00:59:10.139 --> 00:59:12.141
like oh that's so fucked up but at

00:59:12.302 --> 00:59:14.003
the same time it was like it felt

00:59:14.043 --> 00:59:15.425
the same when i read that like that

00:59:15.445 --> 00:59:19.467
kid fucking deserved it yeah

00:59:20.139 --> 00:59:21.721
Yeah, I really hate him too.

00:59:22.262 --> 00:59:23.161
And so, yeah,

00:59:23.202 --> 00:59:24.702
the best part to draw is that,

00:59:25.023 --> 00:59:29.005
or sometimes also when it's something like

00:59:29.407 --> 00:59:31.907
this huge long shot that you can see

00:59:31.967 --> 00:59:34.530
everything and there's a lot of places to

00:59:34.570 --> 00:59:37.291
draw with a lot of details about the

00:59:37.331 --> 00:59:38.253
houses, the city.

00:59:38.655 --> 00:59:40.637
like the the pages that i i think

00:59:40.657 --> 00:59:42.418
it's not a spoiler the double splash page

00:59:42.478 --> 00:59:43.798
from the top of the town that they're

00:59:43.838 --> 00:59:45.800
having yeah everything is happening like

00:59:45.820 --> 00:59:48.282
with the arrows pointing where the people

00:59:48.322 --> 00:59:50.744
are going that we thought i thought

00:59:51.085 --> 00:59:52.606
initially when i wrote it i said oh

00:59:52.626 --> 00:59:54.047
my god it would be so tough to

00:59:54.088 --> 00:59:57.070
draw then but then when i started to

00:59:57.391 --> 00:59:58.871
to draw it i said oh my god

00:59:58.891 --> 01:00:02.255
this is awesome i'm enjoying too much

01:00:02.494 --> 01:00:05.838
that's that's a very very cool page

01:00:05.918 --> 01:00:07.338
actually like it was

01:00:08.594 --> 01:00:10.817
you can the detail like all the way

01:00:10.836 --> 01:00:14.280
down to like the cobble streets yeah and

01:00:14.300 --> 01:00:16.661
there's an easter egg right there i

01:00:16.681 --> 01:00:18.224
there's an easter egg for some friends of

01:00:18.244 --> 01:00:20.726
mine in italy like right there in the

01:00:20.786 --> 01:00:23.588
pages oh that's awesome i love it like

01:00:23.668 --> 01:00:25.731
i tell people all the time that you

01:00:25.791 --> 01:00:28.032
can read a full comic book in five

01:00:28.092 --> 01:00:30.315
or ten minutes i can't do that it

01:00:30.335 --> 01:00:32.516
takes me like twenty five thirty forty

01:00:32.536 --> 01:00:34.398
five minutes to read a full comic book

01:00:35.117 --> 01:00:35.898
Because I'll read it.

01:00:35.938 --> 01:00:37.898
Because it could be our Easter egg, yeah.

01:00:37.918 --> 01:00:39.659
I'm like, what's hiding in this art?

01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:41.021
I know there's something in here.

01:00:41.041 --> 01:00:42.422
There's an Easter egg somewhere.

01:00:42.501 --> 01:00:43.623
I'm going to find it.

01:00:44.163 --> 01:00:46.005
And normally, if you look long enough,

01:00:46.324 --> 01:00:47.846
you're going to find it.

01:00:49.467 --> 01:00:51.007
So that's why it takes me so long

01:00:51.047 --> 01:00:52.588
to read a comic book is because I'm

01:00:52.668 --> 01:00:54.269
looking for those Easter eggs.

01:00:54.891 --> 01:00:55.931
But me too, me too.

01:00:56.231 --> 01:00:57.152
When I read the comics,

01:00:57.211 --> 01:00:58.753
I remember from the first time,

01:00:58.793 --> 01:01:01.675
sometimes I totally lost the story because

01:01:01.715 --> 01:01:03.376
I'm looking only for the drawing.

01:01:03.777 --> 01:01:06.778
And sometimes I bind the comics,

01:01:06.978 --> 01:01:07.878
not because of the story,

01:01:07.898 --> 01:01:09.519
but because I saw the drawing.

01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:10.900
I said, oh my God, this is beautiful.

01:01:11.240 --> 01:01:11.800
I'll take it.

01:01:12.041 --> 01:01:12.782
Enough for me.

01:01:12.882 --> 01:01:14.621
It's true.

01:01:14.802 --> 01:01:17.923
It's a problem because as my scripter,

01:01:18.083 --> 01:01:18.724
Jessica and Eden,

01:01:18.784 --> 01:01:20.264
and also my scripter in Italy,

01:01:20.644 --> 01:01:22.606
I always said, you guys, I don't know,

01:01:22.726 --> 01:01:23.786
in my entire life,

01:01:25.128 --> 01:01:27.309
I always see another colleague like me,

01:01:27.909 --> 01:01:28.769
only the drawing.

01:01:28.889 --> 01:01:29.610
And I totally...

01:01:30.153 --> 01:01:32.375
forgot about you guys have to do the

01:01:32.614 --> 01:01:34.697
biggest stuff that is a build up a

01:01:34.717 --> 01:01:37.878
entire story but what means that in a

01:01:37.958 --> 01:01:40.880
second place but no it's really cool like

01:01:40.900 --> 01:01:42.041
when you go back and you look at

01:01:42.101 --> 01:01:44.061
like i don't know how familiar you are

01:01:44.101 --> 01:01:46.862
with hr geiger the guy who created like

01:01:46.882 --> 01:01:48.664
the first alien series like the artwork

01:01:48.704 --> 01:01:50.646
and stuff oh yeah yeah the concept that

01:01:50.666 --> 01:01:53.626
you say yeah yeah okay yeah yeah i

01:01:53.646 --> 01:01:55.307
can't remember where he's from originally

01:01:55.387 --> 01:01:57.929
but like just the details like

01:01:58.960 --> 01:01:59.840
Now, thankfully,

01:01:59.860 --> 01:02:03.063
we have computers where you can zoom in

01:02:03.563 --> 01:02:04.965
on some of his artwork and just see

01:02:04.985 --> 01:02:07.347
some of the intricacies that he did into

01:02:07.407 --> 01:02:08.367
some of his artwork.

01:02:09.047 --> 01:02:12.510
It's just absolutely beautiful that he was

01:02:12.630 --> 01:02:15.373
able to give so much detail to that

01:02:15.474 --> 01:02:17.715
in just a painting or a drawing or...

01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:20.119
And it's like,

01:02:20.621 --> 01:02:22.721
we can't see it with our naked eye

01:02:22.740 --> 01:02:24.362
when we just look down at it.

01:02:24.922 --> 01:02:27.023
But now that we have technology,

01:02:27.043 --> 01:02:29.402
we can zoom in and we can spend

01:02:29.463 --> 01:02:29.623
out.

01:02:29.742 --> 01:02:31.943
It can be a double, a double swore.

01:02:32.364 --> 01:02:33.505
How would you say a double?

01:02:33.925 --> 01:02:34.324
Yeah.

01:02:34.744 --> 01:02:35.644
Yeah.

01:02:35.664 --> 01:02:35.824
Yeah.

01:02:35.864 --> 01:02:38.126
Because sometimes when you put too much

01:02:38.186 --> 01:02:39.266
detail in a, in a comics,

01:02:39.326 --> 01:02:41.007
I don't tell about the characters.

01:02:41.027 --> 01:02:42.067
I like the alien stuff.

01:02:42.126 --> 01:02:42.387
Okay.

01:02:42.807 --> 01:02:44.047
But about the comics,

01:02:44.168 --> 01:02:46.768
I prefer to have the pages as big

01:02:46.909 --> 01:02:47.009
as,

01:02:48.009 --> 01:02:50.170
it should be in real life.

01:02:50.710 --> 01:02:52.931
Because you get lost too much in the

01:02:52.952 --> 01:02:53.192
detail.

01:02:53.592 --> 01:02:58.213
Maybe someone will never sew.

01:02:58.554 --> 01:03:00.175
Plus, they are not important.

01:03:01.295 --> 01:03:02.695
Okay, an easter egg is totally fine.

01:03:02.996 --> 01:03:05.177
But sometimes they don't need to know how

01:03:05.257 --> 01:03:06.438
many hair

01:03:07.170 --> 01:03:10.014
have on his arm because you have zooming

01:03:10.153 --> 01:03:12.795
out that your naked eye can see in

01:03:12.835 --> 01:03:13.076
the pages.

01:03:13.096 --> 01:03:16.039
Yeah, I completely understand that.

01:03:16.059 --> 01:03:16.139
Yeah.

01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:18.300
So it can be good for that because

01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:21.123
you make this super cool stuff for

01:03:21.164 --> 01:03:21.804
illustration.

01:03:21.864 --> 01:03:22.505
It's super cool.

01:03:22.925 --> 01:03:26.686
But sometimes for showing up a scene in

01:03:26.746 --> 01:03:30.108
a comic page, it's kind of useless.

01:03:30.467 --> 01:03:31.427
It depends.

01:03:31.447 --> 01:03:32.108
It really depends.

01:03:32.628 --> 01:03:33.929
Because sometimes double-spaced pages,

01:03:34.009 --> 01:03:35.148
there are a lot of this going on.

01:03:35.588 --> 01:03:37.889
It's super useful.

01:03:37.969 --> 01:03:38.971
Because you have to see, I don't know,

01:03:38.990 --> 01:03:39.771
a battlefield.

01:03:40.231 --> 01:03:42.632
There are two armies fighting each other.

01:03:43.112 --> 01:03:45.652
and you can spot the people and you

01:03:45.672 --> 01:03:48.072
can make little scene drawing little scene

01:03:48.413 --> 01:03:49.913
that with the digital you can appreciate

01:03:49.972 --> 01:03:52.594
more because you can zoom in but sometimes

01:03:52.813 --> 01:03:54.574
it's happened that you make a normal shot

01:03:54.594 --> 01:03:56.454
with a normal guy speaking with another

01:03:56.494 --> 01:03:57.875
guy and you have to make in the

01:03:57.994 --> 01:03:59.894
background because i told you i used to

01:04:00.175 --> 01:04:01.996
draw a lot of background there there are

01:04:02.376 --> 01:04:04.695
so many details that are not useful for

01:04:04.735 --> 01:04:07.617
the for the shot for the yeah narration

01:04:07.817 --> 01:04:08.036
okay

01:04:08.927 --> 01:04:09.628
So it depends.

01:04:09.648 --> 01:04:10.728
It's a double-edged sword.

01:04:10.789 --> 01:04:11.429
Double-edged sword.

01:04:11.530 --> 01:04:15.432
No, I mean, it makes sense.

01:04:15.913 --> 01:04:17.815
So let me ask you this.

01:04:18.295 --> 01:04:20.597
If you could work on any project,

01:04:21.137 --> 01:04:21.858
any project,

01:04:22.778 --> 01:04:24.840
it doesn't matter if it's creator-owned or

01:04:24.900 --> 01:04:27.943
it belongs to DC or Marvel, Image,

01:04:28.282 --> 01:04:28.842
you name it,

01:04:29.443 --> 01:04:32.146
what project would you want to work on?

01:04:32.186 --> 01:04:34.347
Unfortunately, one of my heroes,

01:04:35.007 --> 01:04:35.809
Jorge Corona,

01:04:36.514 --> 01:04:39.657
is working for making a new Lobo.

01:04:42.458 --> 01:04:44.300
And I'm so angry.

01:04:44.621 --> 01:04:46.503
I will never go that way, of course.

01:04:46.543 --> 01:04:47.804
I will never reach that level.

01:04:48.324 --> 01:04:49.465
And I'm super happy.

01:04:50.987 --> 01:04:52.867
Yeah, no, but I'm super happy that Lobo,

01:04:52.927 --> 01:04:54.670
that is one of my favorite characters,

01:04:55.429 --> 01:04:57.371
when I was, of course, when I was,

01:04:59.934 --> 01:05:02.056
you know, a couple, ten years ago,

01:05:02.135 --> 01:05:04.237
right now, I'm appreciating, like,

01:05:04.641 --> 01:05:06.523
some kind of graphic novel like Black

01:05:06.543 --> 01:05:10.286
Saddle or stuff like more, you know,

01:05:10.445 --> 01:05:12.188
more heavier, more complex, okay,

01:05:12.307 --> 01:05:13.829
as a story and also as a drawer.

01:05:13.849 --> 01:05:18.331
Let me take this sentence because Jorge

01:05:18.351 --> 01:05:19.512
Corona is amazing.

01:05:20.634 --> 01:05:21.675
He's amazing.

01:05:22.175 --> 01:05:24.277
And Lobo is one of those characters where

01:05:24.317 --> 01:05:26.438
he disappeared for a long time and now

01:05:26.458 --> 01:05:28.300
we're starting to get Lobo coming back

01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:29.880
into the public spotlight again.

01:05:30.481 --> 01:05:31.141
I'm here for it.

01:05:31.161 --> 01:05:32.182
I love Lobo.

01:05:32.989 --> 01:05:34.251
What a pity, and I hope,

01:05:34.590 --> 01:05:36.351
I'm for sure, Jorge Corona,

01:05:36.413 --> 01:05:39.594
he will make a beautiful job.

01:05:39.775 --> 01:05:41.735
I listened rumors about they are going to

01:05:41.755 --> 01:05:42.936
make a series about Lobo,

01:05:43.456 --> 01:05:44.318
and I don't know,

01:05:44.597 --> 01:05:46.980
Jason Momoa probably is going to make the

01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:47.119
Lobo.

01:05:47.139 --> 01:05:49.340
It is Jason Momoa, yeah.

01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:50.141
I don't know if sure,

01:05:50.202 --> 01:05:52.282
I didn't know too much about that.

01:05:52.322 --> 01:05:55.045
We already know he's supposed to make an

01:05:55.085 --> 01:05:58.327
appearance in the Supergirl movie as Lobo.

01:05:59.362 --> 01:05:59.704
Yeah, okay.

01:05:59.884 --> 01:06:00.164
Okay.

01:06:00.364 --> 01:06:00.664
Okay.

01:06:00.744 --> 01:06:01.146
Perfect.

01:06:01.206 --> 01:06:01.666
Perfect.

01:06:01.827 --> 01:06:02.027
Okay.

01:06:02.068 --> 01:06:03.289
It's totally fitted.

01:06:03.750 --> 01:06:04.652
I have afraid of.

01:06:05.958 --> 01:06:07.418
I hope they don't mess up too much

01:06:07.438 --> 01:06:09.219
because the message of Lobo is like

01:06:10.759 --> 01:06:11.778
really, really punk.

01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:14.840
And I'm afraid that he's going to be

01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.300
lost because they want to make the more

01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.360
people viewer so they make it softer.

01:06:21.661 --> 01:06:23.501
But Lobo is not that soft.

01:06:23.521 --> 01:06:24.920
The good part of Lobo is that he's

01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:26.021
a badass.

01:06:26.101 --> 01:06:28.282
No, absolutely.

01:06:28.382 --> 01:06:31.621
And it's one of those where he's like...

01:06:33.702 --> 01:06:34.402
What's his name?

01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:43.554
The Ghost Rider and Deadpool combined into

01:06:43.634 --> 01:06:43.914
one.

01:06:44.016 --> 01:06:45.440
Yeah, exactly.

01:06:46.465 --> 01:06:48.425
but he's got this cool like outer space

01:06:48.465 --> 01:06:49.286
motorcycle.

01:06:49.706 --> 01:06:49.967
Yeah.

01:06:50.487 --> 01:06:52.927
And he's just like, he's very punk,

01:06:53.527 --> 01:06:54.608
very hardcore.

01:06:54.628 --> 01:06:58.150
Very metal also because I remember in a

01:06:58.170 --> 01:07:00.650
story that he put inside of his head,

01:07:00.771 --> 01:07:04.253
radio or tuning metal music,

01:07:04.552 --> 01:07:05.532
twenty-four age.

01:07:05.793 --> 01:07:07.833
Yeah,

01:07:07.853 --> 01:07:09.994
so it's one of those where if they

01:07:10.074 --> 01:07:12.976
don't get the little intricacies of him

01:07:13.096 --> 01:07:13.936
the right way,

01:07:15.304 --> 01:07:18.347
then it's it's yeah it's going yeah

01:07:18.507 --> 01:07:21.690
hardcore fans of lobo because again this

01:07:21.750 --> 01:07:24.891
is a character where he disappeared for

01:07:25.231 --> 01:07:27.954
ten or fifteen years yeah yeah he's

01:07:27.974 --> 01:07:29.914
starting to creep back into the spotlight

01:07:29.954 --> 01:07:32.036
we're like you better give us the lobo

01:07:32.536 --> 01:07:35.599
that we used to have otherwise it's just

01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:38.601
don't do it yeah exactly he's going to

01:07:38.641 --> 01:07:39.442
ruin everything

01:07:40.565 --> 01:07:42.527
That hardcore Lobo that we need and we

01:07:42.588 --> 01:07:42.987
want.

01:07:43.007 --> 01:07:44.369
I mean, that's just perfect.

01:07:44.909 --> 01:07:46.630
I'm sure that Jorge Corona,

01:07:46.670 --> 01:07:48.692
for the comics part, it will be awesome.

01:07:48.711 --> 01:07:49.213
Oh, he'll know it.

01:07:49.273 --> 01:07:51.393
It's going to be amazing.

01:07:51.414 --> 01:07:53.036
Yeah, yeah, because he will, he never,

01:07:53.115 --> 01:07:57.458
I draw, sorry, I read, I read,

01:07:57.818 --> 01:08:00.900
I read some of his comics.

01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:02.663
It's like the Me You Love in the

01:08:02.702 --> 01:08:03.724
Night, in the dark,

01:08:03.963 --> 01:08:04.903
the Me You Love in the Dark.

01:08:05.585 --> 01:08:07.626
And another one, it was Middle West,

01:08:07.746 --> 01:08:08.327
something like that.

01:08:08.771 --> 01:08:09.592
I remember the title.

01:08:10.172 --> 01:08:13.514
And it was amazing the way he drew.

01:08:13.635 --> 01:08:15.635
And it was with Scott Young.

01:08:15.675 --> 01:08:17.157
I think Scott Young was the scriptwriter.

01:08:17.677 --> 01:08:19.298
And Scott Young is another one that I

01:08:19.378 --> 01:08:19.998
really love.

01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:22.621
I love his art.

01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.561
You can spot on my drawing,

01:08:25.783 --> 01:08:26.323
on my inking,

01:08:26.342 --> 01:08:29.645
a little bit of Scott Young.

01:08:29.685 --> 01:08:29.885
Okay.

01:08:29.944 --> 01:08:32.707
I wasn't going to say nothing, but...

01:08:32.726 --> 01:08:33.487
A little bit.

01:08:33.567 --> 01:08:35.628
Especially the way you do the more

01:08:35.668 --> 01:08:37.189
cartoony characters.

01:08:37.210 --> 01:08:37.390
Yeah.

01:08:38.350 --> 01:08:39.792
And Scotty Young is brilliant.

01:08:40.032 --> 01:08:42.552
He's just got his own unique style that's

01:08:42.613 --> 01:08:43.833
very cartoonish,

01:08:44.394 --> 01:08:46.055
but it's just so damn good.

01:08:46.555 --> 01:08:47.655
Yeah, of course.

01:08:47.836 --> 01:08:52.439
And I Hate Fairyland is just a phenomenal

01:08:52.498 --> 01:08:52.838
story.

01:08:52.859 --> 01:08:54.100
That's his.

01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.680
It's his story, his art.

01:08:57.202 --> 01:08:58.962
And he's got a whole team behind him

01:08:58.983 --> 01:09:00.944
that is just absolutely amazing.

01:09:00.984 --> 01:09:02.765
And Image, thank you for bringing...

01:09:04.865 --> 01:09:06.006
I hate fairyland to us because yeah it's

01:09:06.046 --> 01:09:08.668
incredible it's incredible and now we find

01:09:08.748 --> 01:09:10.050
out there is a good script there too

01:09:10.069 --> 01:09:12.452
because I love that especially the me you

01:09:12.471 --> 01:09:14.634
love in the dark is like a perfect

01:09:14.654 --> 01:09:17.155
story for someone who works in the into

01:09:17.176 --> 01:09:19.358
the painting also in the comics we can

01:09:19.377 --> 01:09:21.979
say okay into the art is a perfect

01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:23.140
way to show how the

01:09:27.237 --> 01:09:29.118
He was only really known for doing covers.

01:09:29.198 --> 01:09:30.980
It's like cartoon covers and stuff like

01:09:31.020 --> 01:09:31.320
that.

01:09:31.341 --> 01:09:31.421
Yeah.

01:09:32.002 --> 01:09:33.682
And then like my very first reading

01:09:33.762 --> 01:09:36.065
experience from him was I hate fairy land.

01:09:36.086 --> 01:09:36.166
Yeah.

01:09:37.186 --> 01:09:38.728
And it was just so good.

01:09:38.747 --> 01:09:39.970
I'm like, and it's almost,

01:09:40.029 --> 01:09:40.990
it's about to hit issue.

01:09:41.070 --> 01:09:41.310
Yeah.

01:09:43.076 --> 01:09:45.697
So we're almost fifty issues into I Hate

01:09:45.737 --> 01:09:46.457
Fairyland.

01:09:46.658 --> 01:09:46.898
Yeah.

01:09:47.398 --> 01:09:49.038
And it's just like, dude,

01:09:49.059 --> 01:09:49.998
it's just so good.

01:09:50.038 --> 01:09:52.341
Like, he's such a good storyteller.

01:09:53.121 --> 01:09:54.582
And it's a shame because I think a

01:09:54.702 --> 01:09:56.682
lot of really good artists are probably

01:09:56.823 --> 01:09:58.342
really good storytellers.

01:09:58.804 --> 01:09:59.444
Yeah.

01:09:59.484 --> 01:10:01.524
But we don't get to experience that

01:10:01.545 --> 01:10:03.405
because they're just so damn good.

01:10:03.926 --> 01:10:04.305
I don't know.

01:10:04.586 --> 01:10:07.528
I really fear to start writing something

01:10:07.627 --> 01:10:09.668
because once I do it and

01:10:10.703 --> 01:10:12.243
Yeah, I was searching for a publisher.

01:10:12.804 --> 01:10:13.864
It was my first project.

01:10:15.125 --> 01:10:17.206
And I started to feel like, no,

01:10:17.286 --> 01:10:20.028
maybe I need someone to make it as

01:10:20.448 --> 01:10:21.769
his job, the scripter.

01:10:21.849 --> 01:10:22.128
Okay.

01:10:22.509 --> 01:10:23.789
I can do everything.

01:10:24.449 --> 01:10:26.551
Also, because I don't know,

01:10:26.591 --> 01:10:27.692
there's some rules,

01:10:27.872 --> 01:10:30.313
some that you have to follow.

01:10:30.653 --> 01:10:31.033
Of course,

01:10:31.094 --> 01:10:33.274
it's not a proper rule that you have

01:10:33.295 --> 01:10:33.614
to follow.

01:10:34.362 --> 01:10:35.082
Uh, one of the percent,

01:10:35.422 --> 01:10:36.802
but there are some rules that make it

01:10:36.922 --> 01:10:38.923
better just because you put something

01:10:39.003 --> 01:10:40.864
inside of the story there and there in

01:10:40.904 --> 01:10:43.065
the perfect timeline of the story.

01:10:43.445 --> 01:10:45.546
So I searching the script as a,

01:10:45.966 --> 01:10:48.969
as brand, as something vital for my life.

01:10:49.309 --> 01:10:50.590
Now also I have this script that here

01:10:50.609 --> 01:10:53.331
in Italy, uh, Marco Ferrari, there is a,

01:10:53.411 --> 01:10:55.391
it's my script there for this new, um,

01:10:55.511 --> 01:10:55.931
uh, comics,

01:10:56.212 --> 01:10:58.153
graphic novel that we went out in Italy.

01:10:58.193 --> 01:11:01.234
So it's not a marketplace meant here

01:11:01.255 --> 01:11:02.215
because it's only in Italy.

01:11:02.688 --> 01:11:05.649
And when I saw and I started to

01:11:05.930 --> 01:11:06.529
work with him,

01:11:07.570 --> 01:11:10.853
I understand why I can make my own

01:11:10.912 --> 01:11:13.073
story, maybe a light story,

01:11:13.113 --> 01:11:14.994
like a couple of issues or something

01:11:15.175 --> 01:11:15.855
really light.

01:11:16.095 --> 01:11:17.596
But if I want to make something really

01:11:17.636 --> 01:11:19.637
deep, really strong, that it works,

01:11:20.177 --> 01:11:23.458
I need someone who will make it better

01:11:23.538 --> 01:11:24.019
in a bad way.

01:11:25.060 --> 01:11:25.539
Yeah,

01:11:25.699 --> 01:11:29.320
I just kidnapped him and put him inside

01:11:30.841 --> 01:11:32.662
of my basement because I said, no, no,

01:11:32.702 --> 01:11:35.261
you will never leave after we make

01:11:35.302 --> 01:11:36.063
something really good.

01:11:37.262 --> 01:11:37.783
All right,

01:11:37.842 --> 01:11:41.363
let's dive into Shockheaded Peter from

01:11:41.644 --> 01:11:43.204
your perspective for a little bit.

01:11:44.005 --> 01:11:46.405
What were your first reactions to this

01:11:46.525 --> 01:11:48.987
world of Shock Headed Peter when you read

01:11:49.067 --> 01:11:50.368
the script for it?

01:11:50.408 --> 01:11:52.649
Like when Jess and Ethan sent you over

01:11:52.708 --> 01:11:55.609
the Shock Headed Bible and they were like,

01:11:55.630 --> 01:11:55.689
hey,

01:11:57.131 --> 01:12:00.452
what was your impression of that when you

01:12:00.551 --> 01:12:02.632
first got the script and everything to

01:12:02.672 --> 01:12:05.113
start working on the art?

01:12:05.194 --> 01:12:05.673
Of course,

01:12:05.734 --> 01:12:07.515
the first things that I thought is I

01:12:07.534 --> 01:12:10.996
will be able to do fifty eight pages.

01:12:11.417 --> 01:12:12.417
It was a material fear.

01:12:13.051 --> 01:12:15.056
But then I wrote it, I read it,

01:12:15.137 --> 01:12:17.864
and I said, no,

01:12:17.885 --> 01:12:19.869
something is starting to pop up in my

01:12:19.909 --> 01:12:21.092
mind how it should be.

01:12:22.020 --> 01:12:27.402
be done, the location and the people.

01:12:27.862 --> 01:12:29.603
Everything is starting to be alive in my

01:12:29.643 --> 01:12:29.863
mind.

01:12:30.143 --> 01:12:31.042
And I started to sketch it.

01:12:31.063 --> 01:12:32.064
So the first reaction was,

01:12:32.703 --> 01:12:33.684
I'm enthusiastic about that.

01:12:33.703 --> 01:12:35.024
The first one was fear.

01:12:35.425 --> 01:12:36.805
I can handle this stuff.

01:12:37.145 --> 01:12:38.046
And then the first,

01:12:38.126 --> 01:12:39.466
he was enthusiastic about that.

01:12:39.527 --> 01:12:42.127
I started to draw everything and sending

01:12:42.188 --> 01:12:42.868
everything to them.

01:12:44.448 --> 01:12:46.090
The more that I have in my mind,

01:12:46.189 --> 01:12:46.930
I send everything.

01:12:47.689 --> 01:12:51.273
And so, yeah, you know, it was also,

01:12:51.893 --> 01:12:53.394
I don't know if they told to you

01:12:53.474 --> 01:12:54.434
how we met each other,

01:12:54.814 --> 01:12:56.175
that we find out,

01:12:56.255 --> 01:12:57.895
we spot each other on social media,

01:12:57.935 --> 01:12:58.497
on Facebook.

01:12:58.817 --> 01:13:00.398
And it was my first big job.

01:13:00.818 --> 01:13:03.698
So the first thing when I see the

01:13:03.739 --> 01:13:04.579
Bible, I said, oh my God,

01:13:05.220 --> 01:13:07.702
it's so perfect that there's so many stuff

01:13:07.761 --> 01:13:08.242
going on.

01:13:08.261 --> 01:13:09.323
Yeah, it was amazing.

01:13:10.243 --> 01:13:11.984
I will be on that level.

01:13:12.404 --> 01:13:13.305
I can manage that.

01:13:13.826 --> 01:13:16.368
I will be as good to make it

01:13:16.528 --> 01:13:19.470
true, to make it real on a page.

01:13:19.569 --> 01:13:21.032
And then the more that I read,

01:13:21.112 --> 01:13:22.393
the more I will feel comfy.

01:13:22.453 --> 01:13:24.314
The more that I speak with Ethan and

01:13:24.333 --> 01:13:25.654
Jessica, I said, okay,

01:13:25.795 --> 01:13:26.695
they are a cool guy.

01:13:27.076 --> 01:13:29.377
They understand also we find each other

01:13:29.398 --> 01:13:33.820
like a sort of first big work.

01:13:34.202 --> 01:13:35.922
So we have to help each other about

01:13:36.063 --> 01:13:37.163
constructing this work.

01:13:37.862 --> 01:13:39.863
so yeah the first russian was panicking

01:13:39.882 --> 01:13:41.944
and then it was yeah it was chilling

01:13:42.425 --> 01:13:46.686
no i'm glad that um it worked out

01:13:46.726 --> 01:13:50.789
because your art style with that story it

01:13:50.890 --> 01:13:53.530
everything just fits beautifully together

01:13:54.372 --> 01:13:54.631
um

01:13:56.550 --> 01:13:58.650
So from the visual elements,

01:13:59.051 --> 01:14:00.931
what visual elements did you immediately

01:14:01.112 --> 01:14:03.493
want to bring to life within this story?

01:14:03.533 --> 01:14:06.375
Was it the monsters, Ruby, the folklore,

01:14:06.895 --> 01:14:07.755
the textures?

01:14:07.916 --> 01:14:08.155
You know,

01:14:08.195 --> 01:14:10.216
what was your first thing that you when

01:14:10.237 --> 01:14:10.756
you read this,

01:14:10.796 --> 01:14:13.097
like what what made you excited to want

01:14:13.118 --> 01:14:13.757
to do this?

01:14:13.837 --> 01:14:16.359
Like which which element of this?

01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:17.399
The figure,

01:14:17.779 --> 01:14:19.020
the character also can't be there.

01:14:19.779 --> 01:14:23.061
The first thing that I draw immediately

01:14:23.162 --> 01:14:27.926
without any starting to processing or

01:14:28.065 --> 01:14:29.806
organizing myself was Shock of the Peter.

01:14:29.827 --> 01:14:30.006
I said,

01:14:30.106 --> 01:14:32.630
I want to know how is this character.

01:14:33.069 --> 01:14:34.591
I was falling in love with the character.

01:14:34.690 --> 01:14:37.854
So the first thing was how I have

01:14:37.894 --> 01:14:39.654
to put in life this character.

01:14:39.734 --> 01:14:40.895
And I started drawing a lot of concepts.

01:14:40.916 --> 01:14:41.957
It's such a great character.

01:14:41.997 --> 01:14:44.439
It's just a fun character.

01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:46.940
You know he's a bad guy,

01:14:47.020 --> 01:14:49.063
but yet you love him so much.

01:14:49.988 --> 01:14:51.529
Yeah,

01:14:51.550 --> 01:14:53.251
and fun fact that this is like the

01:14:53.310 --> 01:14:57.033
third character concept that I made that

01:14:57.092 --> 01:14:57.712
is right now.

01:14:57.752 --> 01:14:59.654
The first one, it was totally different.

01:15:00.094 --> 01:15:01.715
And I said, but it was close.

01:15:01.814 --> 01:15:02.395
It was close,

01:15:02.475 --> 01:15:04.636
but it was totally different how the way

01:15:04.676 --> 01:15:06.037
he acting because, you know,

01:15:06.217 --> 01:15:07.118
when I make a concept,

01:15:07.217 --> 01:15:08.958
you have to make also the acting because

01:15:08.979 --> 01:15:11.380
you have to see how he acts inside

01:15:11.420 --> 01:15:15.521
of the story because you feel the

01:15:15.563 --> 01:15:18.304
character, the behavior of the character.

01:15:18.828 --> 01:15:21.130
And so the first thing that I wanted

01:15:21.649 --> 01:15:23.671
to pop up in life was Shock Headed

01:15:23.690 --> 01:15:23.971
Peter.

01:15:24.511 --> 01:15:27.813
Then the second stuff that when we found

01:15:27.872 --> 01:15:29.373
out about Shock Headed Peter, of course,

01:15:29.453 --> 01:15:29.713
Ruby.

01:15:29.793 --> 01:15:31.255
Now, Ruby, I love Ruby, of course.

01:15:32.034 --> 01:15:35.117
That's my next question, actually.

01:15:35.516 --> 01:15:38.859
So Ruby actually has a broken heart.

01:15:38.939 --> 01:15:40.559
It's a literally broken heart.

01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:41.000
Yeah.

01:15:41.260 --> 01:15:43.881
And it's like one of my favorite concepts

01:15:44.041 --> 01:15:46.761
of the story outside of Shock Headed

01:15:46.801 --> 01:15:47.143
Peter.

01:15:48.182 --> 01:15:50.984
how did you express that in her design

01:15:51.064 --> 01:15:54.545
in emotional art because it's like a no

01:15:54.765 --> 01:15:58.305
a actual broken heart it's funny because i

01:15:58.345 --> 01:16:00.225
think when they start the kickstarter they

01:16:00.265 --> 01:16:02.226
put the first image for the kickstarter

01:16:02.266 --> 01:16:05.606
was her uh holding his heart or his

01:16:05.646 --> 01:16:09.307
chest here with the with the um yeah

01:16:09.328 --> 01:16:11.569
the watch pulsing

01:16:12.615 --> 01:16:14.556
a saying that is going to have a

01:16:14.596 --> 01:16:14.917
problem.

01:16:15.436 --> 01:16:17.978
And I think that is the way that

01:16:18.078 --> 01:16:20.960
I figured I always want to try to

01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:21.340
fill it.

01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.041
The emptiness of his eyes when he's going

01:16:24.081 --> 01:16:26.021
to panicking or he's super angry,

01:16:26.381 --> 01:16:30.804
the empathy of his eyes, the like super,

01:16:31.104 --> 01:16:32.784
it's not super fearing,

01:16:34.568 --> 01:16:36.809
expression in in in his face on his

01:16:36.849 --> 01:16:39.189
face and um and also the fact that

01:16:39.210 --> 01:16:41.970
he's like freezing i like the the way

01:16:41.990 --> 01:16:44.011
that when he's starting to to feel like

01:16:44.171 --> 01:16:46.091
something is going wrong and the the watch

01:16:46.131 --> 01:16:48.813
is passing is freezing and his eyes kind

01:16:48.872 --> 01:16:52.274
of become empty he feel like if something

01:16:52.314 --> 01:16:54.574
is happening inside of her and he can

01:16:54.614 --> 01:16:56.916
control he can manage that yeah so like

01:16:57.076 --> 01:16:58.237
i was waiting like

01:16:58.936 --> 01:16:59.337
And, like,

01:16:59.476 --> 01:17:02.759
as I was reading the press piece for

01:17:03.019 --> 01:17:03.640
number two,

01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:06.180
and we get that one moment where her

01:17:06.261 --> 01:17:07.902
heart starts acting up and the watch

01:17:07.921 --> 01:17:09.061
starts going crazy.

01:17:09.582 --> 01:17:11.644
And I love the fact that they put,

01:17:12.123 --> 01:17:14.225
like, two bars.

01:17:15.364 --> 01:17:17.466
because the first bar is empty and it's

01:17:17.525 --> 01:17:18.846
kind of a dangerous zone.

01:17:18.886 --> 01:17:20.186
And then the second bar,

01:17:20.707 --> 01:17:21.707
we are fucked up.

01:17:22.068 --> 01:17:23.608
So I like the tension.

01:17:23.908 --> 01:17:25.748
It creates the fact that it's one bar,

01:17:25.769 --> 01:17:26.109
two bar.

01:17:26.510 --> 01:17:27.369
I really love that.

01:17:27.430 --> 01:17:29.530
And I really enjoy the tutorial also.

01:17:30.230 --> 01:17:32.271
The bar empty with this liquid,

01:17:32.671 --> 01:17:36.292
vivid lighting, red liquid pulsing inside.

01:17:36.853 --> 01:17:39.134
It seems like it's vein inside of the

01:17:39.194 --> 01:17:39.573
watch.

01:17:39.873 --> 01:17:40.454
Yeah,

01:17:40.875 --> 01:17:43.136
it's like the vein is inside of the

01:17:43.176 --> 01:17:43.695
watch for...

01:17:44.932 --> 01:17:47.115
like the smartwatch right now,

01:17:47.176 --> 01:17:48.516
but with the pain inside,

01:17:48.757 --> 01:17:51.079
with the blood pulsing inside.

01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:54.425
And it was amazing.

01:17:54.625 --> 01:17:57.427
Just the visual of that and the way

01:17:57.448 --> 01:17:59.511
you portrayed it in the pages,

01:17:59.610 --> 01:18:00.332
I was just like,

01:18:01.814 --> 01:18:04.617
what is ruby exactly you know it's kind

01:18:04.657 --> 01:18:07.238
of like is she the actual monster you

01:18:07.257 --> 01:18:09.158
know you start your head starts stinking

01:18:09.198 --> 01:18:11.439
all these questions because at that point

01:18:11.900 --> 01:18:14.822
i had not read issue one i feel

01:18:14.862 --> 01:18:19.284
that way because me too i was just

01:18:19.324 --> 01:18:21.645
like ruby is special and we know she's

01:18:21.685 --> 01:18:23.386
special because i mean the story kind of

01:18:23.646 --> 01:18:26.569
centers around her but at the same time

01:18:26.588 --> 01:18:27.229
you were like

01:18:28.962 --> 01:18:31.583
like what else is going on with Ruby?

01:18:31.963 --> 01:18:33.283
And we kind of get some hints from

01:18:33.465 --> 01:18:35.064
what's going on with her dad and stuff

01:18:35.104 --> 01:18:35.565
like that.

01:18:35.605 --> 01:18:36.805
But at the same time,

01:18:37.646 --> 01:18:39.547
like you love Ruby so much.

01:18:39.587 --> 01:18:41.007
She's such a cool character.

01:18:41.948 --> 01:18:42.809
And it's like,

01:18:44.109 --> 01:18:45.390
I don't want to see nothing bad ever

01:18:45.411 --> 01:18:46.150
happened to Ruby.

01:18:46.291 --> 01:18:48.212
Yeah.

01:18:48.271 --> 01:18:50.453
Peter who really, he like,

01:18:51.073 --> 01:18:53.654
he takes an affection toward her.

01:18:54.457 --> 01:18:55.417
And you can tell, like,

01:18:55.457 --> 01:18:57.457
he wants to help her and guide her

01:18:57.497 --> 01:19:00.438
in his own twisted little way, you know,

01:19:00.457 --> 01:19:02.118
because that's how he is.

01:19:02.198 --> 01:19:03.238
Yeah.

01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:05.359
Yeah, but if you see in that,

01:19:05.519 --> 01:19:07.838
I feel always that in that story,

01:19:08.059 --> 01:19:09.359
Ruby is a kid,

01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:12.319
but in reality is like the only grow-up

01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:12.760
woman,

01:19:13.739 --> 01:19:17.780
the badass woman who wants to manage his

01:19:17.841 --> 01:19:20.121
life and put the business together.

01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:22.862
And also his mother is a very...

01:19:24.400 --> 01:19:25.042
very nice figure,

01:19:25.082 --> 01:19:26.824
but the mother is a little bit,

01:19:27.284 --> 01:19:29.127
because of the situation with his husband,

01:19:29.167 --> 01:19:30.569
with the father of Ruby,

01:19:31.091 --> 01:19:33.314
is kind of falling apart,

01:19:33.814 --> 01:19:34.074
and the

01:19:34.648 --> 01:19:35.609
pilaster.

01:19:35.929 --> 01:19:36.569
Can I say pilaster?

01:19:37.470 --> 01:19:39.692
Where the roof of the life of the

01:19:39.752 --> 01:19:41.212
family is on her.

01:19:41.573 --> 01:19:44.615
So it's a grow-up woman in the way

01:19:45.095 --> 01:19:45.837
she behaves.

01:19:46.077 --> 01:19:47.557
She had to grow up fast,

01:19:47.639 --> 01:19:48.880
given her condition,

01:19:48.939 --> 01:19:52.402
her father's condition, the environment,

01:19:52.962 --> 01:19:54.783
and them just not having very much.

01:19:54.844 --> 01:19:56.305
So she's having to take on a lot

01:19:56.345 --> 01:19:59.028
of responsibility at a very young age

01:19:59.568 --> 01:20:01.569
which forced her to kind of grow up

01:20:01.628 --> 01:20:04.470
early and become a young woman before she

01:20:04.510 --> 01:20:07.229
should have had to do that yeah i

01:20:07.270 --> 01:20:09.331
am afraid of saying some spoiler because

01:20:09.350 --> 01:20:12.252
the the way is evolving um you see

01:20:12.271 --> 01:20:13.931
there will be more connection with the

01:20:14.011 --> 01:20:15.052
shock of the peter i don't want to

01:20:15.092 --> 01:20:15.752
spoil anything

01:20:16.356 --> 01:20:19.038
But I'm looking forward to see her in,

01:20:19.859 --> 01:20:20.219
you know,

01:20:20.300 --> 01:20:22.341
after the events for Chapter Three, right?

01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:22.860
Like,

01:20:22.961 --> 01:20:25.643
because I'm looking forward to how they

01:20:25.682 --> 01:20:28.104
will build this character when it will be

01:20:28.184 --> 01:20:29.444
like a proper woman,

01:20:30.166 --> 01:20:31.326
a teenager or something.

01:20:31.365 --> 01:20:33.488
Because the way it's evolving the story

01:20:33.528 --> 01:20:34.347
without spoiling,

01:20:34.728 --> 01:20:37.689
it makes me so curious how will be

01:20:38.411 --> 01:20:40.171
the concept of Ruby in...

01:20:40.192 --> 01:20:43.234
They knew what they were doing when they

01:20:43.274 --> 01:20:43.594
did it.

01:20:44.213 --> 01:20:44.493
Yeah.

01:20:44.514 --> 01:20:45.375
They...

01:20:46.208 --> 01:20:48.891
They are some great storytellers and your

01:20:48.931 --> 01:20:52.055
heart really just pulls everything

01:20:52.095 --> 01:20:54.118
together so beautifully.

01:20:55.100 --> 01:20:57.863
So without spoilers, Sabe.

01:20:58.423 --> 01:20:58.744
Yeah.

01:20:59.145 --> 01:21:02.909
What visual moments in volume two are you

01:21:02.949 --> 01:21:03.831
the most proud of?

01:21:05.565 --> 01:21:06.685
Without spoilers.

01:21:07.627 --> 01:21:08.527
Because as I said,

01:21:08.667 --> 01:21:09.546
the more that I draw,

01:21:09.567 --> 01:21:11.287
the more that I like how it's going

01:21:11.368 --> 01:21:13.467
on and how I'm drawing because I get

01:21:13.587 --> 01:21:16.729
used and I get comfortable and I'm

01:21:16.969 --> 01:21:19.029
starting to grow up with this character

01:21:19.090 --> 01:21:19.750
and this environment.

01:21:20.229 --> 01:21:21.490
But maybe,

01:21:22.591 --> 01:21:26.391
maybe the first part is the one that

01:21:26.452 --> 01:21:27.132
I love to,

01:21:27.472 --> 01:21:29.132
maybe for the adrenaline of starting this

01:21:29.193 --> 01:21:31.154
new chapter that is pretty long and I

01:21:31.213 --> 01:21:33.314
really enjoy and having fun on doing that.

01:21:33.634 --> 01:21:35.395
But there's something, without spoilers,

01:21:35.930 --> 01:21:40.092
in where a certain character that we

01:21:40.132 --> 01:21:44.676
already saw let me see how will we

01:21:44.716 --> 01:21:47.077
have a piece of this story that i

01:21:47.257 --> 01:21:49.578
really really am joined to i'm literally

01:21:49.658 --> 01:21:52.421
drawing these pages uh because it's in the

01:21:52.440 --> 01:21:54.402
final part so i can say nothing is

01:21:54.481 --> 01:21:57.984
literally yeah so uh and i really enjoyed

01:21:58.085 --> 01:21:59.786
drawing it and see how this

01:22:00.447 --> 01:22:02.387
character evolving because you know i'm

01:22:02.427 --> 01:22:03.889
not enjoying the way that i'm drawing

01:22:03.929 --> 01:22:06.591
enjoying when i love where i'm reading

01:22:06.970 --> 01:22:09.233
when everything is is popping up in my

01:22:09.273 --> 01:22:10.993
mind oh this is so cool i have

01:22:11.014 --> 01:22:14.216
to put in in in an image and

01:22:14.515 --> 01:22:16.578
uh and that i love and i this

01:22:16.658 --> 01:22:19.019
happening in the first part of course is

01:22:19.099 --> 01:22:21.161
everything okay but most in the first part

01:22:21.201 --> 01:22:23.301
because i was super excited to see how

01:22:23.362 --> 01:22:26.064
it's going and this last part where this

01:22:26.104 --> 01:22:28.244
character is popping up that i can't say

01:22:28.324 --> 01:22:29.265
nothing unfortunately

01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:30.420
But it will be a surprise.

01:22:32.820 --> 01:22:34.440
I really want people to go and read

01:22:34.961 --> 01:22:36.961
this book because it is so good.

01:22:37.481 --> 01:22:38.662
The only thing that I can say,

01:22:39.261 --> 01:22:41.641
the style, the drawing style,

01:22:41.702 --> 01:22:42.382
it will be different.

01:22:42.882 --> 01:22:43.703
Full stop.

01:22:43.762 --> 01:22:44.403
No spoil left.

01:22:44.422 --> 01:22:45.422
No, no.

01:22:45.783 --> 01:22:46.563
I like it, man.

01:22:46.943 --> 01:22:49.823
I really do.

01:22:49.863 --> 01:22:52.224
Let's move into our very last segment.

01:22:52.283 --> 01:22:53.845
It's just going to be some rapid fire

01:22:53.885 --> 01:22:54.765
questions, Sabe.

01:22:54.864 --> 01:22:54.984
Okay.

01:22:55.712 --> 01:22:57.154
I hope my English will hold.

01:22:57.173 --> 01:23:00.497
No, you've been perfect this entire time,

01:23:00.516 --> 01:23:00.636
man.

01:23:00.657 --> 01:23:02.139
I'm telling you.

01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:05.721
What horror film most inspires your

01:23:05.842 --> 01:23:07.083
artistic tone?

01:23:08.104 --> 01:23:09.246
Horror film.

01:23:09.686 --> 01:23:10.167
You know,

01:23:10.927 --> 01:23:12.048
I don't know how to say in English.

01:23:12.088 --> 01:23:12.609
I don't remember.

01:23:13.489 --> 01:23:15.792
I have to find something that we can

01:23:15.872 --> 01:23:16.092
also...

01:23:18.510 --> 01:23:19.229
a middle field,

01:23:19.270 --> 01:23:21.292
because I have in mind a film,

01:23:21.391 --> 01:23:22.811
but I don't remember the title.

01:23:22.832 --> 01:23:24.774
I don't know if it was an Italian

01:23:24.814 --> 01:23:25.113
title.

01:23:26.134 --> 01:23:26.555
It was...

01:23:28.636 --> 01:23:29.576
You can look it up real quick if

01:23:29.636 --> 01:23:30.015
you need to.

01:23:30.095 --> 01:23:31.356
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe.

01:23:32.158 --> 01:23:34.599
I don't want to break up the rhythm

01:23:34.658 --> 01:23:37.980
of the line.

01:23:38.001 --> 01:23:38.541
No, you're fine, dude.

01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:40.082
I want us to get this spot on,

01:23:40.122 --> 01:23:43.144
because if it's something that I haven't

01:23:43.184 --> 01:23:43.323
seen,

01:23:43.404 --> 01:23:44.663
I'll probably go and watch it to be

01:23:44.703 --> 01:23:46.005
fair, because that's how I am.

01:23:46.024 --> 01:23:46.164
Yeah?

01:23:47.225 --> 01:23:47.405
Yeah.

01:23:48.472 --> 01:23:49.154
Uh, yeah.

01:23:49.274 --> 01:23:49.713
Anytime.

01:23:49.793 --> 01:23:52.657
Like I know I got a few comic

01:23:52.697 --> 01:23:54.518
book, uh, recommendations when I was,

01:23:54.618 --> 01:23:57.940
when I had a Francisco on last month

01:23:58.742 --> 01:24:00.622
and I'm still trying to track down those

01:24:00.743 --> 01:24:01.243
books.

01:24:01.904 --> 01:24:02.965
So I may have to send them to

01:24:03.006 --> 01:24:04.327
you because one of them was in an

01:24:04.466 --> 01:24:06.448
Italian comic book.

01:24:07.109 --> 01:24:08.529
So I'm going to shoot that to you

01:24:08.569 --> 01:24:11.153
later and see if you you're familiar with

01:24:11.193 --> 01:24:12.233
it or if you know where I could

01:24:12.252 --> 01:24:12.694
find it.

01:24:12.713 --> 01:24:12.993
Okay.

01:24:13.113 --> 01:24:13.534
Okay.

01:24:13.795 --> 01:24:13.954
Yeah.

01:24:13.994 --> 01:24:16.337
Because I make him too much, but

01:24:17.694 --> 01:24:18.635
Too much research.

01:24:18.734 --> 01:24:19.295
No, no.

01:24:19.314 --> 01:24:20.015
You're good.

01:24:21.636 --> 01:24:23.939
Yeah, there was like Midsommar.

01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:25.501
Okay, you know.

01:24:25.820 --> 01:24:26.641
You know Midsommar.

01:24:26.662 --> 01:24:27.002
Okay, yeah.

01:24:27.282 --> 01:24:27.823
Yeah.

01:24:28.122 --> 01:24:31.345
And also, yeah, of course I forgot.

01:24:31.365 --> 01:24:32.886
The one that inspired me a lot,

01:24:33.408 --> 01:24:34.127
The Lighthouse.

01:24:36.310 --> 01:24:37.011
And The Witch.

01:24:37.390 --> 01:24:38.712
And all of that.

01:24:38.771 --> 01:24:40.894
The director is absolutely...

01:24:41.173 --> 01:24:42.015
I'm forgetting the name.

01:24:42.034 --> 01:24:42.836
No, you're good.

01:24:42.855 --> 01:24:44.676
Because Midsommar is like...

01:24:46.314 --> 01:24:49.395
amazing amazing movie so that's the

01:24:49.494 --> 01:24:51.855
perfect one right there yeah i need to

01:24:51.876 --> 01:24:53.935
to put this at least three and not

01:24:54.077 --> 01:24:56.896
one because mid-summer make me think we

01:24:56.936 --> 01:24:59.578
can make an horror film with a very

01:24:59.597 --> 01:25:02.259
bright color in the daylight and

01:25:02.298 --> 01:25:04.619
everything you can make the extension and

01:25:04.699 --> 01:25:07.820
the lighthouse i love it because

01:25:08.827 --> 01:25:09.346
You know,

01:25:09.447 --> 01:25:11.387
the use of the black and white stuff

01:25:11.408 --> 01:25:12.408
because it's in black and white.

01:25:12.429 --> 01:25:13.349
I love the black and white movie.

01:25:13.368 --> 01:25:14.069
I'm not going to lie.

01:25:15.890 --> 01:25:16.229
Yeah,

01:25:16.350 --> 01:25:18.011
they help a lot when you draw a

01:25:18.051 --> 01:25:18.770
comics art.

01:25:19.311 --> 01:25:23.552
They help a lot to manage how heavy

01:25:23.592 --> 01:25:25.113
you have to go with the black and

01:25:25.154 --> 01:25:27.234
with the white on a full page.

01:25:27.654 --> 01:25:29.475
And that was amazing in the White House.

01:25:29.836 --> 01:25:31.055
And the last one, the witch,

01:25:31.095 --> 01:25:33.036
because of the atmosphere and the color,

01:25:33.536 --> 01:25:35.117
the shots were really great.

01:25:35.596 --> 01:25:36.997
The way that you can see,

01:25:37.136 --> 01:25:39.297
not see what's happening in the dark.

01:25:39.717 --> 01:25:41.837
It made me shit my pants.

01:25:41.858 --> 01:25:44.878
Always.

01:25:45.019 --> 01:25:45.458
Always.

01:25:45.979 --> 01:25:47.619
Because I'm not a horror fan,

01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:48.920
but I used to draw it,

01:25:49.180 --> 01:25:49.619
to see it,

01:25:49.659 --> 01:25:52.581
because I enjoy the way how they direct

01:25:52.621 --> 01:25:52.900
everything.

01:25:53.658 --> 01:25:57.761
Ron Perlman did a movie called The City

01:25:57.801 --> 01:25:58.582
of Children.

01:25:59.181 --> 01:26:00.844
I want to say it's Italian,

01:26:01.743 --> 01:26:03.405
but I'm looking it up right now.

01:26:03.485 --> 01:26:06.667
Yeah.

01:26:06.688 --> 01:26:11.212
I think it come out in the nineties

01:26:11.292 --> 01:26:12.733
or The City of Lost Children,

01:26:12.792 --> 01:26:13.654
something like that.

01:26:15.716 --> 01:26:16.976
I think it's French.

01:26:17.016 --> 01:26:18.798
It's French, you're right.

01:26:18.998 --> 01:26:22.521
Yeah, I think it's French.

01:26:22.622 --> 01:26:23.302
I think it's French.

01:26:23.922 --> 01:26:25.845
But when you say in black and white,

01:26:25.885 --> 01:26:27.586
that's like one of the first movies that

01:26:27.626 --> 01:26:29.186
comes to my head because it's in black

01:26:29.207 --> 01:26:32.229
and white and then also in color later

01:26:32.310 --> 01:26:32.569
on,

01:26:32.590 --> 01:26:35.492
like certain elements are in color in that

01:26:35.552 --> 01:26:35.993
movie.

01:26:36.672 --> 01:26:37.173
But it's just a...

01:26:39.061 --> 01:26:40.762
it's a horror movie.

01:26:40.823 --> 01:26:42.823
Yes, but it's almost like very dramatic.

01:26:42.863 --> 01:26:44.664
And it's also very thriller ish.

01:26:45.265 --> 01:26:47.265
It kind of just blends like these really

01:26:47.305 --> 01:26:49.067
cool elements into the story.

01:26:49.546 --> 01:26:49.867
Yeah.

01:26:49.887 --> 01:26:51.547
I just couldn't remember if it was Italian

01:26:51.587 --> 01:26:52.248
or French.

01:26:52.448 --> 01:26:53.389
So I think it's French.

01:26:53.609 --> 01:26:55.170
I don't want to mess up everything.

01:26:55.430 --> 01:26:56.990
And if you want to debunk me,

01:26:57.011 --> 01:27:00.552
someone in the corner, they can debunk me.

01:27:02.634 --> 01:27:02.793
But no,

01:27:02.913 --> 01:27:04.215
I think you're right because I think Ron

01:27:04.255 --> 01:27:04.694
Perlman,

01:27:04.795 --> 01:27:06.996
he spoke perfect French in the movie.

01:27:07.336 --> 01:27:07.716
Okay.

01:27:07.737 --> 01:27:08.016
Okay.

01:27:08.037 --> 01:27:08.277
Okay.

01:27:08.296 --> 01:27:08.497
Okay.

01:27:10.046 --> 01:27:10.367
All right.

01:27:10.386 --> 01:27:11.167
So next one,

01:27:11.188 --> 01:27:13.488
which comic artists do you look to when

01:27:13.529 --> 01:27:16.069
you want to kind of recharge creatively?

01:27:16.130 --> 01:27:16.729
Like,

01:27:16.829 --> 01:27:18.190
is there a certain artist like when you're

01:27:18.270 --> 01:27:21.891
like, you know, I need some inspiration.

01:27:21.952 --> 01:27:24.193
Is there a specific comic book artist that

01:27:24.212 --> 01:27:24.654
you go?

01:27:25.073 --> 01:27:27.194
That's the guy that he recharges my

01:27:27.234 --> 01:27:27.675
batteries.

01:27:28.371 --> 01:27:29.771
I think I already say it.

01:27:29.891 --> 01:27:30.613
It's Jorge Corona.

01:27:31.394 --> 01:27:32.515
Yeah, it's Jorge Corona.

01:27:32.635 --> 01:27:35.016
And also sometimes Rob Guillory.

01:27:35.697 --> 01:27:37.838
This is the first that let me think

01:27:37.878 --> 01:27:40.140
that I want to do comics art.

01:27:40.201 --> 01:27:41.582
But Jorge Corona is the one that I

01:27:41.643 --> 01:27:43.644
go into Instagram immediately when I feel

01:27:43.684 --> 01:27:46.126
like I don't know how to draw.

01:27:46.207 --> 01:27:47.728
I don't know what to do.

01:27:48.228 --> 01:27:49.069
I'm useless.

01:27:49.509 --> 01:27:51.831
And then I see this masterpiece of ink

01:27:51.911 --> 01:27:53.693
and color also because I think sometimes

01:27:53.773 --> 01:27:54.333
color too.

01:27:54.373 --> 01:27:55.795
Sometimes you have a colorist.

01:27:56.887 --> 01:27:57.689
And I think it's French,

01:27:57.748 --> 01:28:00.771
the colorists who make Midwest and also

01:28:00.971 --> 01:28:02.512
the May You Love in the Dark.

01:28:02.592 --> 01:28:04.173
So Jorge Corona.

01:28:04.194 --> 01:28:06.756
The quick answer is Jorge Corona.

01:28:06.796 --> 01:28:09.719
There's a comic book artist who's really

01:28:09.838 --> 01:28:12.761
good at horror.

01:28:12.881 --> 01:28:13.902
And I'm trying to remember his name.

01:28:13.942 --> 01:28:21.868
I think it's Francovilla.

01:28:22.189 --> 01:28:24.730
Francisco Francovilla or Francovilla.

01:28:25.162 --> 01:28:25.884
Ah, Francavilla.

01:28:26.104 --> 01:28:28.046
Yeah, Francisco.

01:28:28.747 --> 01:28:29.729
He's Italian as well.

01:28:30.926 --> 01:28:34.168
He does a lot of horror.

01:28:34.248 --> 01:28:36.489
His horror stuff is just like... Yeah,

01:28:36.529 --> 01:28:37.810
yeah, okay, okay, I get it.

01:28:38.752 --> 01:28:42.574
He likes to redo the old monsters and

01:28:42.614 --> 01:28:43.194
stuff like that.

01:28:43.215 --> 01:28:43.735
His work is just amazing.

01:28:45.216 --> 01:28:46.217
You know, in Italy,

01:28:46.438 --> 01:28:49.380
we used to make movies, horror movies,

01:28:49.460 --> 01:28:51.360
and also comics because we have Dylan Dogg

01:28:51.400 --> 01:28:52.601
and stuff like that of Bonelli.

01:28:52.622 --> 01:28:55.704
We used to be pretty good on that.

01:28:55.904 --> 01:28:57.025
I don't know what happened in the...

01:28:57.765 --> 01:28:58.306
No, I don't know.

01:28:58.327 --> 01:29:01.029
I think they're still good.

01:29:01.189 --> 01:29:03.091
We were talking before we went live.

01:29:03.251 --> 01:29:04.692
I was telling you about Don't Run With

01:29:04.752 --> 01:29:05.153
Scissors,

01:29:05.172 --> 01:29:07.774
which is an Italian horror comic book that

01:29:07.835 --> 01:29:10.117
is just absolutely amazing.

01:29:10.157 --> 01:29:13.520
But my next question is actually related

01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:16.282
to something that Francisco does very well

01:29:16.462 --> 01:29:20.024
is old school Hollywood horror monsters.

01:29:20.565 --> 01:29:22.807
So if you could do one thing,

01:29:24.019 --> 01:29:27.601
old-school Hollywood horror monster in

01:29:28.221 --> 01:29:33.206
Sabe style, who would you want to do?

01:29:33.225 --> 01:29:34.146
I'm thinking about it.

01:29:37.750 --> 01:29:41.792
You know, it's a bit complicated.

01:29:41.972 --> 01:29:44.574
I think I like grotesque feature,

01:29:45.036 --> 01:29:48.958
so maybe, and also sci-fi, maybe Alien,

01:29:49.139 --> 01:29:50.979
it can be something that I would like

01:29:51.020 --> 01:29:52.421
to, or in that universe, okay?

01:29:52.962 --> 01:29:53.162
Yeah.

01:29:53.729 --> 01:29:55.150
I think it's not horror.

01:29:55.292 --> 01:29:56.773
Yeah, horror, sci-fi.

01:29:57.233 --> 01:29:58.493
But yeah, that one.

01:29:58.514 --> 01:30:00.735
Because a creature and gruptest stuff,

01:30:01.016 --> 01:30:02.757
I don't used to draw a lot.

01:30:02.938 --> 01:30:06.121
And that's why I would love to.

01:30:06.140 --> 01:30:07.962
So the creature from the Black Lagoon,

01:30:07.983 --> 01:30:08.462
I think.

01:30:08.542 --> 01:30:09.144
Yeah, yeah.

01:30:09.264 --> 01:30:10.765
Also, yeah, the Black Lagoon too.

01:30:11.065 --> 01:30:12.987
Yeah, I don't know if so old.

01:30:13.068 --> 01:30:14.148
Yeah, eighties.

01:30:14.529 --> 01:30:15.109
Yeah, right.

01:30:15.189 --> 01:30:15.750
Like eighties.

01:30:16.069 --> 01:30:16.631
So it can be.

01:30:17.150 --> 01:30:19.353
and uh and also yeah the black lagoon

01:30:19.393 --> 01:30:21.975
style of this kind of creepy monster that

01:30:22.036 --> 01:30:23.837
i know used to draw it a lot

01:30:24.238 --> 01:30:26.079
but i would love to because i want

01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:28.582
to challenge first challenge myself and

01:30:28.601 --> 01:30:30.463
also because i think it fits perfectly in

01:30:30.503 --> 01:30:32.145
the way that i want to make it

01:30:32.244 --> 01:30:35.547
grub desk the the the character the this

01:30:35.729 --> 01:30:37.130
this muscle fit perfectly

01:30:37.867 --> 01:30:39.627
No, I like it, dude.

01:30:39.809 --> 01:30:40.828
I do like it a lot.

01:30:41.130 --> 01:30:43.131
So what is the strangest?

01:30:43.230 --> 01:30:44.851
So you've been in the comic books now

01:30:44.872 --> 01:30:46.073
for a little bit.

01:30:46.153 --> 01:30:48.774
What has been the strangest or funniest

01:30:49.475 --> 01:30:51.556
reference request that you've gotten from

01:30:51.596 --> 01:30:52.118
a writer?

01:30:52.618 --> 01:30:54.479
Has a writer just asked like, hey,

01:30:54.500 --> 01:30:55.761
can you do this one thing in this

01:30:55.860 --> 01:30:56.140
one book?

01:30:56.161 --> 01:30:58.002
That was just like where you stopped and

01:30:58.021 --> 01:30:58.962
went, wait, what?

01:30:59.222 --> 01:31:01.185
You went, what?

01:31:01.204 --> 01:31:01.604
I don't know.

01:31:01.784 --> 01:31:04.606
I think that maybe...

01:31:06.247 --> 01:31:08.649
It was happening more when I met the

01:31:08.710 --> 01:31:09.590
storyboard artist,

01:31:09.630 --> 01:31:10.871
because in the storyboard artist,

01:31:10.990 --> 01:31:13.731
when this advertising that they say that

01:31:13.771 --> 01:31:15.432
he was traveling around the world,

01:31:15.893 --> 01:31:19.454
and he went into this place where it

01:31:19.494 --> 01:31:21.355
was like a sacred fountain,

01:31:21.395 --> 01:31:21.895
something like that.

01:31:22.497 --> 01:31:25.557
And he asked me to put that he's

01:31:25.717 --> 01:31:26.719
mooning himself.

01:31:27.390 --> 01:31:28.751
I didn't know what does it mean,

01:31:28.831 --> 01:31:29.591
moaning in self,

01:31:29.631 --> 01:31:31.891
because it was only with the underpants.

01:31:31.992 --> 01:31:33.993
And I didn't know what does it mean,

01:31:34.012 --> 01:31:34.353
moaning.

01:31:34.712 --> 01:31:36.432
And I look up and I said, ah,

01:31:36.474 --> 01:31:37.594
moaning means that?

01:31:38.054 --> 01:31:40.875
I'm really, maybe it's a mis-translation.

01:31:41.354 --> 01:31:43.395
And then I was struggling until the last

01:31:43.416 --> 01:31:43.576
time.

01:31:43.615 --> 01:31:43.975
I said, okay,

01:31:43.996 --> 01:31:46.377
maybe it's fine to say moaning because

01:31:46.497 --> 01:31:47.318
people laughing at him.

01:31:47.658 --> 01:31:49.177
So that was so fucked up that I

01:31:49.198 --> 01:31:49.798
said, okay,

01:31:50.038 --> 01:31:52.198
it was more like I was afraid to

01:31:52.259 --> 01:31:53.380
put in self-moaning

01:31:54.159 --> 01:31:56.740
inside of the storyboard because I

01:31:56.841 --> 01:31:57.480
mistranslate that.

01:31:57.501 --> 01:31:57.581
Yeah,

01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:00.141
that's definitely one of those where you

01:32:00.202 --> 01:32:01.322
don't want to mistranslate.

01:32:01.362 --> 01:32:02.341
Yeah, I don't want to.

01:32:02.481 --> 01:32:03.342
Yeah, because I said,

01:32:03.403 --> 01:32:05.823
what are you doing right now?

01:32:05.842 --> 01:32:08.003
He said, oh, sorry, I mistranslated.

01:32:08.104 --> 01:32:09.344
That's awesome, dude.

01:32:09.644 --> 01:32:10.364
I like that.

01:32:11.085 --> 01:32:12.845
That's a good story right there.

01:32:13.625 --> 01:32:15.546
So, Sabe, we're about to close it out.

01:32:15.666 --> 01:32:18.226
Please tell everybody where they can find

01:32:18.266 --> 01:32:18.846
your art.

01:32:20.016 --> 01:32:21.338
Yeah, my heart,

01:32:21.498 --> 01:32:27.365
you can find it in sabe__art on IG,

01:32:27.445 --> 01:32:27.846
Instagram.

01:32:28.346 --> 01:32:29.167
Also on Facebook,

01:32:29.268 --> 01:32:31.832
you can find me like Giuseppe Sabeti

01:32:31.872 --> 01:32:32.192
Stefano.

01:32:32.653 --> 01:32:34.215
I'm sorry about my name, it's too long.

01:32:34.475 --> 01:32:36.778
You can call me, you make good Sabe.

01:32:36.858 --> 01:32:37.939
I said to the other guys,

01:32:37.958 --> 01:32:38.479
call me Joe.

01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:41.601
because it's fine my uncle in canada my

01:32:41.662 --> 01:32:44.604
uncle is so cool though yeah i i

01:32:44.645 --> 01:32:46.626
choose because of uh there's a long story

01:32:46.645 --> 01:32:48.707
but we are closing so it's fine but

01:32:48.927 --> 01:32:50.349
my uncle in canada called me joe so

01:32:50.389 --> 01:32:51.909
i said okay joe is totally fine i

01:32:51.949 --> 01:32:54.391
feel in family i feel in family yeah

01:32:54.412 --> 01:32:56.434
so you can find me yes on instagram

01:32:56.694 --> 01:33:00.636
and uh on facebook i told you sabe

01:33:00.796 --> 01:33:04.859
underscore art also on art station as

01:33:05.100 --> 01:33:05.940
giuseppe stefano

01:33:06.653 --> 01:33:08.654
and uh let me know if you like

01:33:08.774 --> 01:33:11.698
and uh comment on my art so if

01:33:11.738 --> 01:33:13.479
you like or enjoy i like it man

01:33:14.140 --> 01:33:16.462
so i will also link all your social

01:33:16.502 --> 01:33:18.965
media stuff thank you very much video when

01:33:18.984 --> 01:33:20.686
it releases and i also i did it

01:33:20.726 --> 01:33:23.029
on the advertisements as well i gave a

01:33:23.130 --> 01:33:23.789
link to your

01:33:24.631 --> 01:33:27.591
your art and your your your social media

01:33:27.652 --> 01:33:30.091
thank you thank you enough you know for

01:33:30.131 --> 01:33:32.353
coming on and joining us today a shout

01:33:32.412 --> 01:33:34.293
out to jess and ethan for helping make

01:33:34.333 --> 01:33:37.173
this conversation happen they really went

01:33:37.333 --> 01:33:39.295
above and beyond to do this for us

01:33:39.755 --> 01:33:41.295
and i'm so glad they got they did

01:33:41.314 --> 01:33:43.015
that for us it was been a great

01:33:43.055 --> 01:33:45.676
conversation today sabe i cannot

01:33:45.716 --> 01:33:46.896
appreciate it enough

01:33:48.317 --> 01:33:49.957
And also for bringing Shockhead at Peter

01:33:49.978 --> 01:33:50.759
to life, man.

01:33:50.798 --> 01:33:52.699
It is such an amazing book.

01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:56.221
Your art helps tell that awesome story

01:33:56.242 --> 01:33:57.943
that they have written so well.

01:33:59.083 --> 01:34:01.704
And I appreciate you coming on, man.

01:34:02.104 --> 01:34:03.305
We really do appreciate it.

01:34:03.365 --> 01:34:04.327
All the council members,

01:34:04.386 --> 01:34:05.688
I need y'all to go out,

01:34:06.287 --> 01:34:08.948
give Sabe a follow on his social media.

01:34:09.430 --> 01:34:10.890
Let him know you appreciate him because

01:34:10.930 --> 01:34:12.811
Shockhead at Peter really is just one of

01:34:12.832 --> 01:34:14.912
those fantastic stories.

01:34:15.733 --> 01:34:16.354
And it is...

01:34:17.923 --> 01:34:19.824
you're already drawing volume three,

01:34:19.885 --> 01:34:20.244
right?

01:34:20.984 --> 01:34:22.666
Yeah, we are planning to.

01:34:22.786 --> 01:34:24.565
We are taking a little bit of gap.

01:34:25.485 --> 01:34:27.186
Yeah, it's pretty soon.

01:34:27.247 --> 01:34:27.587
Don't worry.

01:34:27.667 --> 01:34:28.346
It's pretty soon.

01:34:28.466 --> 01:34:28.766
Yeah,

01:34:28.787 --> 01:34:29.967
so I know they were going to try

01:34:30.087 --> 01:34:31.728
to get the third volume out a little

01:34:31.787 --> 01:34:32.328
bit quicker.

01:34:32.507 --> 01:34:33.849
It wasn't going to be a year between

01:34:33.868 --> 01:34:35.248
them like it was for volume one and

01:34:35.269 --> 01:34:35.849
volume two.

01:34:35.868 --> 01:34:36.128
No, no, no.

01:34:36.168 --> 01:34:37.670
It was short and I'm looking forward.

01:34:37.710 --> 01:34:39.390
So I'm asking them to quick.

01:34:39.489 --> 01:34:40.310
Yeah, I'm sure.

01:34:42.451 --> 01:34:44.192
I can't wait to have all three of

01:34:44.231 --> 01:34:44.971
you on this time.

01:34:44.992 --> 01:34:46.872
That's the plan when Shock-Hitted Peter

01:34:46.891 --> 01:34:48.932
Volume Three is ready to hit Kickstarter.

01:34:49.512 --> 01:34:51.833
My plan is to have Jess, Ethan,

01:34:52.274 --> 01:34:55.335
and Sabe all on at the same time

01:34:55.515 --> 01:35:00.096
so we can deep dive into Volume Three

01:35:00.337 --> 01:35:03.957
all together as one big happy Shock-Hitted

01:35:03.997 --> 01:35:04.797
Peter family,

01:35:05.057 --> 01:35:06.798
which I think would be amazing if we

01:35:06.819 --> 01:35:07.738
can get it to happen.

01:35:08.913 --> 01:35:11.416
But with that, Sabe, again,

01:35:11.435 --> 01:35:12.436
thank you for coming on.

01:35:12.997 --> 01:35:14.479
Welcome to the Council of Nerds,

01:35:14.538 --> 01:35:15.118
my friend.

01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:18.322
And I've already said this before,

01:35:18.381 --> 01:35:21.564
ShotKid at Peter is USDN approved,

01:35:21.604 --> 01:35:24.567
but now we can add Sabe and his

01:35:24.726 --> 01:35:26.849
art that he does for ShotKid at Peter.

01:35:27.668 --> 01:35:31.012
To that and say Sabe himself is USDN

01:35:31.033 --> 01:35:31.533
approved.

01:35:31.993 --> 01:35:33.416
Sabe, again, thank you so much.

01:35:33.576 --> 01:35:36.519
Everybody out there, enjoy your weekend.

01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:39.341
Go do something fun and pick up a

01:35:39.381 --> 01:35:40.604
comic book and give it a read.

01:35:40.623 --> 01:35:41.625
And with that, everybody,

01:35:42.064 --> 01:35:43.426
the USDN is out of here.

01:35:43.587 --> 01:35:45.269
Enjoy your weekend.