WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.560 Music. 00:00:12.558 --> 00:00:18.994 That you can experience lasting life change for your good and for God's glory. 00:00:20.903 --> 00:00:24.198 Here the last several weeks on the podcast we've been talking about this 00:00:24.594 --> 00:00:31.408 overarching theme of what it is to be in denial, to be in this place of denying 00:00:31.408 --> 00:00:35.360 the problems and not addressing the problems that are in our life, in our 00:00:35.648 --> 00:00:41.050 soul, and the fruit and things that they're bearing in our lives. And there, 00:00:41.888 --> 00:00:48.288 There are two primary obstacles, two primary things that keep us stuck in a place of denial. 00:00:48.288 --> 00:00:52.330 And I've kind of been talking about one primarily. 00:00:52.688 --> 00:01:01.028 And that's the first thing is that shame, right? We don't want to talk about something we want to want to deal with our hurts. 00:01:01.028 --> 00:01:06.202 We don't want to deal with our wounds that need healed. We don't want to deal with our cycles or habits. 00:01:07.288 --> 00:01:10.829 We don't want to deal with those things because we might feel shame. 00:01:11.288 --> 00:01:16.308 You might say, if people saw the real me, knew my problems, if I told people what was 00:01:16.308 --> 00:01:21.508 going on, what would they think of me? What would my reputation be? 00:01:21.722 --> 00:01:26.188 And I'm a broken person. I can't, I'm the only one who's struggling with all of this. 00:01:26.188 --> 00:01:34.868 I can't be the one to open up and to trust and to get help. I feel so ashamed. 00:01:35.045 --> 00:01:43.548 And that's a big obstacle that many, many people face with. We've kind of been talking about that, how that's common to the human experience. 00:01:43.548 --> 00:01:50.168 And if we were all forced to have moments of honesty, what we would find is that everybody 00:01:50.168 --> 00:01:56.255 feels that way, and that the problems we're dealing with are probably a lot more similar 00:01:56.444 --> 00:02:00.810 to other people's problems than we would initially imagine. 00:02:00.968 --> 00:02:07.508 So that's the first thing that keeps us stuck, shame. In the last several weeks, I've kind of been talking and meandering around that idea and 00:02:07.508 --> 00:02:09.650 and some of the anecdotes to that. 00:02:10.028 --> 00:02:16.861 But there's a second thing that keeps us stuck in a place of denial, and that's pride, right? 00:02:17.068 --> 00:02:22.910 And you might immediately hear that in this episode, and you might be saying, like, pride? 00:02:23.148 --> 00:02:27.808 Like, Luke, I don't have pride. Like, that's the, like, I'm not prideful. 00:02:28.213 --> 00:02:33.560 Like, I'm a mess. I will tell you I'm a mess, right? I've got problems, like, 00:02:33.808 --> 00:02:36.900 and you might think that you don't have any pride. 00:02:37.629 --> 00:02:42.039 But I would challenge you, if you're right now, this moment, you're just like, you know, 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:47.119 I don't have pride, like, that's not a problem I have, I would challenge you listen to this 00:02:47.119 --> 00:02:56.159 short episode, and walk away and seriously consider and ask yourself that question, after some reflection. 00:02:56.159 --> 00:03:01.881 Because the thing is, is that pride often looks so different in our mind than how it 00:03:02.097 --> 00:03:05.159 often plays out in some of our lives. 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:12.239 Sometimes it's so easy to identify pride in someone, but other times it's really subtle 00:03:12.239 --> 00:03:18.879 and we have a really good way of excusing and permitting our own type of pride in our 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:21.519 life and not getting rid of it. 00:03:21.519 --> 00:03:24.919 And you might say like, well, what's, you know, shouldn't we all have a little bit of 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.213 pride? Yeah, you should take pride in yourself. 00:03:29.374 --> 00:03:39.959 But a pride that keeps us from growing, keeps us from learning, keeps us from following is particularly bad. 00:03:39.959 --> 00:03:48.879 The Bible has a lot to say about pride. One of the more well-known passages that talks about pride is in James 4, verse 6. 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:53.639 This is James, the brother of Jesus, and this is what he has to say about pride. 00:03:53.743 --> 00:04:01.959 He's quoting elsewhere, but here it is in James 4, verse 6, says this. 00:04:03.187 --> 00:04:06.839 "...but He," talking about Jesus, "...gives us more grace. 00:04:06.839 --> 00:04:15.799 That is why Scripture says, God opposes the proud, but shows favor to the humble." 00:04:16.141 --> 00:04:24.299 And that's an important concept, that God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble. 00:04:24.299 --> 00:04:31.472 He gives us grace when we are humble. Why would God oppose the proud? 00:04:31.679 --> 00:04:36.171 Well, that's back to the garden. We talked about that a couple weeks ago. 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:42.799 The choice Adam and Eve made when they grabbed the fruit off of the tree of knowledge and 00:04:42.799 --> 00:04:50.279 evil, wasn't just eating a fruit, it was saying, no, we will become our own arbiters of what 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:56.750 is good and what is right, rather than trusting God to be the judge of what is good and what is right. 00:04:56.919 --> 00:05:05.399 They were prideful, and they ate that. And then, funnily enough, even once they were caught red-handed with the fruit in their 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:12.559 hand, they still were not humble enough to say, you're right, we made the mistake, I made the mistake. 00:05:12.559 --> 00:05:16.258 Them pointed down the line of responsibility. 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:20.679 And in that is this own sort of type of pride. 00:05:21.687 --> 00:05:26.682 A lot of times we think of pride, we think of the person who's boastful, the person who's 00:05:26.682 --> 00:05:32.842 going and saying, I've got these really big achievements, look at me, I'm awesome, right? 00:05:33.047 --> 00:05:39.547 We look at that type of person and we're like, oh, that's so easy to identify. That's pride. 00:05:39.979 --> 00:05:46.682 And it's easy to see in other people, but never to see in our own self. But I think that there's 00:05:46.682 --> 00:05:53.122 It's also a way that pride can be a little bit more subtle, a little bit more nuanced. 00:05:53.122 --> 00:05:59.762 It doesn't always have to look in this way of being, of constantly saying, just look 00:05:59.762 --> 00:06:02.458 at my achievements, look at how awesome I am. 00:06:02.802 --> 00:06:03.574 Look at all of that. 00:06:03.988 --> 00:06:09.682 Because some of you might be saying, might be saying, well, Luke, like I'm, I'm a mess. 00:06:09.682 --> 00:06:12.909 Like I'm not prideful. I've got nothing to be prideful about. 00:06:13.513 --> 00:06:20.858 Well, let's let's unpack that a little bit and so it can there's um, 00:06:21.750 --> 00:06:26.522 There's sort of two ways I can kind of conceptualize this in our lives in our, 00:06:27.277 --> 00:06:34.202 Our narrative right as we kind of living our lives. There's a story that we tell ourselves about ourselves 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:40.600 There's a story that I we tell ourselves and that we want to repeat and tell other people about ourselves, 00:06:41.438 --> 00:06:46.425 And if you're telling a good story where you yourself are the main character. 00:06:47.325 --> 00:06:50.926 Right. You don't want to be the villain in your own story, right? 00:06:51.162 --> 00:06:54.922 You don't want to be the villain. You want to be the hero. 00:06:55.859 --> 00:07:01.629 And of course, we always want to be the hero. We want to be the guy, the person, the woman who saves the day, 00:07:01.629 --> 00:07:06.909 who does the hard thing, who works through and triumphs over adversity. 00:07:07.868 --> 00:07:11.869 But what if in your life, you're looking at your life and you're like, 00:07:11.869 --> 00:07:13.709 I don't feel much like a hero. 00:07:14.665 --> 00:07:19.469 Well, if you don't feel like a hero, we'll often go for the next best thing. 00:07:19.469 --> 00:07:22.989 And that's the noble victim, right? 00:07:23.055 --> 00:07:29.389 If we can't be the hero of our lives story, we will be the victim of our lives story, 00:07:29.389 --> 00:07:36.504 we'll be the noble victim, the one who, if things had only gone right, if people only listened 00:07:36.667 --> 00:07:42.829 to me, if only I had had all the things I needed, I would have succeeded with the best of them. 00:07:43.913 --> 00:07:51.529 And now as I say that, can you hear where the pride maybe is sneaking in? The assumption that 00:07:51.709 --> 00:07:56.426 My circumstances, our circumstances are not my fault. 00:07:56.509 --> 00:08:01.249 They're the fault of other people's circumstances or what other people have done to me 00:08:01.249 --> 00:08:03.709 or what I didn't have. 00:08:03.829 --> 00:08:08.709 It's a removal of responsibility from ourself. 00:08:08.886 --> 00:08:14.818 And it's saying, no, I'm truly a great hero at heart. I really would be thriving in life, 00:08:15.289 --> 00:08:22.380 if it wasn't for all of these things that had been done to me or this awful tragedy that befell me, 00:08:22.509 --> 00:08:26.829 or the fact that I was just surrounded by other people who just kept getting in the way 00:08:26.829 --> 00:08:29.528 and ruined things for me, right? 00:08:30.149 --> 00:08:35.037 The fault of our current circumstances is someone else's. 00:08:35.685 --> 00:08:38.782 And if that's part of our narrative, that's pride. 00:08:39.628 --> 00:08:46.278 Now, I don't want to say that there's nothing that ever happens in your life, or somebody 00:08:46.278 --> 00:08:52.997 can do to you, or the circumstances that you find yourself, like, I'm very aware that not 00:08:53.087 --> 00:08:58.438 everybody has the same advantages, I'm very aware that many things might have happened 00:08:58.438 --> 00:09:02.314 to you that have put you at a disadvantage. 00:09:02.598 --> 00:09:12.158 But that's only always part of the story. In everyone's story, there's always going to be things that are outside of your control 00:09:12.343 --> 00:09:15.268 and things that are inside of your control. 00:09:15.478 --> 00:09:21.993 And if we get to a place where we believe all the things outside of our control have, 00:09:22.659 --> 00:09:28.938 all the effect on our life, and that we kind of ignore or don't talk about or don't focus 00:09:28.938 --> 00:09:34.078 on the things that are inside of our control, we're running into a place where we're allowing 00:09:34.078 --> 00:09:40.178 our lives to be dictated by only what's out of our control and we're abdicating or we're 00:09:40.178 --> 00:09:46.398 ignoring the things that are in our control that maybe we're not doing well with or we're 00:09:46.398 --> 00:09:47.956 not doing anything with. 00:09:48.798 --> 00:09:50.899 That's a sense of pride. 00:09:51.898 --> 00:09:59.098 One of the things that's really hard to kind of experience unless you have kind of an opportunity 00:09:59.098 --> 00:10:06.458 to start over, right? Oftentimes we have these, you know, we have these moments in life to 00:10:06.458 --> 00:10:12.487 start new, to start fresh. Every new year we've got a new opportunity to start fresh, 00:10:12.778 --> 00:10:18.138 new habits, new goals, a word for the year, whatever it is. But the thing is, is that 00:10:18.138 --> 00:10:24.458 once that clock hits midnight and it's the next day of the new year, you haven't magically 00:10:24.458 --> 00:10:29.618 become someone who you're not. Same thing as if you were to pick up and you were just 00:10:29.618 --> 00:10:34.838 to move out of your hometown. You were to drive far away, go to a new place where no 00:10:34.838 --> 00:10:41.378 one knows you and start fresh. While there's a lot of things, a lot of benefits that potentially 00:10:41.378 --> 00:10:46.587 come with that, there's something that you still have that still came with you when you, 00:10:47.098 --> 00:10:51.953 made that move. You might have left behind all of your baggage, all the relationships, 00:10:52.138 --> 00:11:01.441 all the trauma, all the routines, all the things that cling onto you in the old place that you were, 00:11:02.018 --> 00:11:03.755 but you've still brought yourself. 00:11:04.565 --> 00:11:14.735 And that often plays a larger impact on our circumstances than we might easily admit. 00:11:16.376 --> 00:11:24.015 There's this saying that says that wherever you go, there you are. And the whole idea of this 00:11:24.015 --> 00:11:31.855 very sort of seemingly simple statement is that no matter what apartment you're in, what neighborhood 00:11:31.855 --> 00:11:37.775 you live, what town, state, wherever you go, you will always be bringing yourself. 00:11:38.638 --> 00:11:44.823 You will always be bringing your habits, your way of being, your heart condition, your roots, 00:11:45.183 --> 00:11:48.335 the way that you think of yourself and the way you interact with other people, 00:11:48.335 --> 00:11:57.921 you will always be bringing that with you. And that always has a major impact on how life happens. 00:11:58.175 --> 00:12:04.455 Oftentimes when we have opportunities to start over, to start fresh, we come with enthusiasm 00:12:04.455 --> 00:12:12.856 and then soon we find ourselves back where we started. Same old story, new chapter. 00:12:13.735 --> 00:12:18.955 And the reason for that is most likely because we haven't addressed ourselves. 00:12:18.955 --> 00:12:22.415 We haven't addressed the things that we are bringing with ourselves. 00:12:22.415 --> 00:12:29.888 Sense of pride, our sense of not being willing to learn from others. 00:12:31.095 --> 00:12:38.891 This is a hard thing to swallow because I myself for many years and still to this day struggle with pride. 00:12:38.975 --> 00:12:44.382 I remember I was working, I was doing some ministry at the time and I was on a team and 00:12:44.555 --> 00:12:49.837 I remember there was this other guy on the team and I just remember thinking how prideful he was. 00:12:50.261 --> 00:12:56.735 I remember just thinking, man, if he wasn't in this group, I could just be doing this so much better. 00:12:56.735 --> 00:13:01.375 Like we were sharing some responsibilities, and I'm so much better at this than him. 00:13:01.375 --> 00:13:06.415 And I would go around, and any time he did anything, he said anything that I thought 00:13:06.708 --> 00:13:07.415 was prideful, I'd go around and I'd say, I'm so proud of you, I'm so proud of you, I'm 00:13:07.415 --> 00:13:08.139 so proud of you, I'm so proud of you, I'm so proud of you, I'm so proud of you, I'm, 00:13:09.264 --> 00:13:14.918 You you wouldn't believe what this guy did. He just so prideful and I had friends who listened to me complain, 00:13:15.737 --> 00:13:18.933 And they eventually were just like luke. Like you really have like a problem with this guy. 00:13:20.499 --> 00:13:26.026 And Eventually it kind of started to dawn on me that, 00:13:26.603 --> 00:13:31.813 Part of the reason I didn't like him was because he was a mirror reflection of myself, 00:13:32.625 --> 00:13:37.573 He was simply saying out loud the same the things I was saying inside of my heart 00:13:37.675 --> 00:13:43.733 heart, I was just as prideful, if not more prideful than he was. 00:13:43.914 --> 00:13:50.099 And I had to repent severely for having carried so much angerness and bitterness towards him, 00:13:50.413 --> 00:13:57.093 all the while being guilty of the same things that he was, if not in a greater degree. 00:13:57.345 --> 00:14:03.853 I still, to this day, struggle with pride to not be arrogant, to be a listener first, 00:14:03.853 --> 00:14:08.787 to assume that others have information that maybe I don't have. 00:14:09.573 --> 00:14:16.304 That is a hard place to come to, but it's the only place where you can begin to grow. 00:14:16.653 --> 00:14:22.705 We see this in movies and stories all the time, right? If the person is arrogant, 00:14:22.853 --> 00:14:27.206 and they think they know everything, they're never going to learn, right? 00:14:27.973 --> 00:14:31.806 We've all met that person who just refuses to be taught anything. 00:14:32.373 --> 00:14:37.133 And we can see easily in their own lives that, man, if they would just sit and listen, 00:14:37.694 --> 00:14:41.693 to the thing I have to tell them, like, and they actually did what I told them, 00:14:41.835 --> 00:14:43.140 like their life would go better. 00:14:44.073 --> 00:14:49.253 But we don't see that we often do that same thing. We plug our ears. 00:14:49.253 --> 00:14:54.253 We don't listen to the wisdom that other people have for us. 00:14:55.950 --> 00:15:02.801 And so we need to get into this place of humility. I wanna share one other Bible verse with you. 00:15:03.233 --> 00:15:07.473 This is out of Proverbs. Proverbs is a great book of the Bible, 00:15:08.593 --> 00:15:13.033 and it has so much practical wisdom, and some of it is just so simple, 00:15:13.033 --> 00:15:16.916 but so powerful and so difficult to integrate into our life. 00:15:17.993 --> 00:15:24.856 This is Proverbs 15. We're gonna read for you verse 31 through 33 here. 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:35.613 Says, whoever heeds life-giving correction will be at home among the wise. 00:15:35.613 --> 00:15:45.853 Those who disregard discipline despise themselves, but the one who heeds correction gains understanding. 00:15:45.853 --> 00:15:51.053 Instruction is to fear the Lord, and humility comes before honor. 00:15:52.178 --> 00:15:58.508 That is some heavy truth right there, right? Whoever heeds life-giving correction will be 00:15:58.508 --> 00:16:04.988 at home among the wise. When someone comes to us and says they've got some feedback for us, 00:16:05.133 --> 00:16:11.548 or they're saying, hey, like they're calling something out of us, a lot of times people 00:16:11.548 --> 00:16:18.348 will give us feedback that we don't want to hear. They will call out of us something that's wrong, 00:16:18.348 --> 00:16:21.202 and they won't always do it in the best way. 00:16:21.348 --> 00:16:25.628 It's great when you have a good friend who comes and gives you loving feedback 00:16:25.748 --> 00:16:30.288 and gives you time and support, but not everybody's going to do that. 00:16:30.288 --> 00:16:34.300 Not everyone's very good at giving feedback, but you're probably getting some feedback 00:16:34.388 --> 00:16:40.241 that might be true, but it's coming at you in a very harsh, very hard way to receive. 00:16:40.308 --> 00:16:46.468 And as hard as it is for me to say, because I myself struggle with receiving feedback, 00:16:46.468 --> 00:16:53.205 is that they might be very true, even if it's not being told to you in a kind manner. 00:16:53.259 --> 00:17:00.425 There might be some things that are kind of overjudgmental, but at the core, there might be something true there 00:17:00.524 --> 00:17:06.375 that if you would allow yourself to listen to the correction would make you wiser. 00:17:06.948 --> 00:17:14.702 Those who disregard discipline despise themselves. If we disregard, ignore the wisdom 00:17:14.792 --> 00:17:19.041 that other people have for us, If we believe that we know it all, 00:17:19.392 --> 00:17:23.137 we would have the perfect life if things would only go right for us. 00:17:23.434 --> 00:17:30.015 If we disregard the voices that are saying, hey, like you don't necessarily know it all. 00:17:30.807 --> 00:17:33.388 Then we ourselves are hating ourselves. 00:17:33.388 --> 00:17:37.228 We are preventing ourselves from growing, from getting better, 00:17:37.228 --> 00:17:40.107 from receiving life correction and wisdom. 00:17:40.241 --> 00:17:44.104 And ultimately, we're refusing to fear the Lord. 00:17:45.166 --> 00:17:50.207 We're refusing to come to a place of humility and say, Lord, we don't know everything. We're not perfect. 00:17:51.088 --> 00:17:57.248 I don't have it all together. I need help. I need help from your Word and your wisdom. 00:17:57.364 --> 00:18:00.974 I need help from community, people speaking into my life. 00:18:01.148 --> 00:18:03.395 I need help. 00:18:03.648 --> 00:18:07.848 Because one of the really difficult truths, if I can share with you a really difficult 00:18:07.848 --> 00:18:14.801 truth that is true of pretty much everybody, right, is that you... 00:18:15.783 --> 00:18:28.674 Played an impactful role on where you are now. That doesn't say that you have full responsibility on exactly where you're at. 00:18:29.115 --> 00:18:34.112 Like I said, I know that not everybody has the same advantages, 00:18:34.750 --> 00:18:37.072 that things happen that are outside of our control. 00:18:37.072 --> 00:18:42.432 There's a whole number of things that impact what happened to you, 00:18:42.432 --> 00:18:47.083 you, how you find yourself, how you came to find yourself struggling with an addiction, 00:18:47.632 --> 00:18:54.312 how you received that wound that came to be, how those relationship cycles and patterns 00:18:54.312 --> 00:18:59.372 that you're stuck in, that place that you feel like you just can't see change, there, 00:19:00.032 --> 00:19:06.972 are things that were outside of your control that have impacted the fact that you've found yourself there. 00:19:06.972 --> 00:19:14.772 But then there are also at least a handful of things that are inside of your control. 00:19:14.772 --> 00:19:20.266 Whether they're how you respond to a thing, this is a big one, right? 00:19:20.428 --> 00:19:25.932 A lot of times when there's big things that happen to us, maybe someone does something 00:19:25.932 --> 00:19:31.690 really awful or sins against us, that is something that's outside of our control. 00:19:32.652 --> 00:19:42.952 But we do still have control over how we respond. We have control over how we go and get help and take care of ourselves. 00:19:43.452 --> 00:19:48.839 We have control over what we choose to do in that situation. 00:19:49.469 --> 00:19:53.912 And we don't always make the right choices. And that's okay. 00:19:53.912 --> 00:20:00.272 We don't need to beat ourselves up. It's not that we need to be perfect in the things that are in our control. 00:20:00.512 --> 00:20:04.852 It's that we need to be honest about the fact that we're not perfect. 00:20:05.187 --> 00:20:11.272 That actually, yeah, that my addiction might have some things that outside of my control 00:20:11.272 --> 00:20:16.192 happened to me that put me in a place where I find myself addicted, but there were also 00:20:16.192 --> 00:20:20.472 things that I made choices in. 00:20:20.472 --> 00:20:27.272 Recovery a lot of times is learning to parse out, to separate and distinguish what is mine 00:20:27.272 --> 00:20:30.112 to own, and what is not mine to own. 00:20:30.709 --> 00:20:36.039 Things get really messy, and a lot of times we find ourselves stuck when we're owning 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.059 things that we're not supposed to own. 00:20:39.059 --> 00:20:44.259 Decisions that other people made, circumstances that were outside of our control, choices 00:20:44.259 --> 00:20:50.899 that we made when we were young, things that we made in ignorance, old sins that we still 00:20:50.899 --> 00:20:54.574 beat ourselves up over that Christ has offered forgiveness for. 00:20:54.779 --> 00:21:02.679 We're owning things that we're not supposed to be owning. And then when we're not owning things that we need to be owning, how we're choosing to 00:21:02.679 --> 00:21:06.879 respond currently, what are we doing to get help? 00:21:07.177 --> 00:21:13.280 What am I doing to take care of myself? Am I putting in the hard work? 00:21:13.439 --> 00:21:18.839 Am I taking hold of the resources that people are giving to me, the lifelines? 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:26.759 Am I listening even to bad criticism to try and find what is true there that maybe I need 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:33.239 to hear. Those are things that are inside of our control, and when we're not owning those things, 00:21:33.418 --> 00:21:37.239 and we're owning things we're not supposed to own, that's a recipe for being stuck. 00:21:38.469 --> 00:21:44.039 So I'd encourage you this week, take some time, be prayerful over it, maybe sit with these 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:53.239 passages. Maybe sit with just that James 4 passage. James 4, 6, the Lord opposes the proud, 00:21:53.239 --> 00:22:00.559 but gives grace to the humble. Perhaps, just resonating with that, maybe perhaps, 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:08.879 Lord, help me to humble myself. Help me to see where perhaps I've not been 00:22:08.879 --> 00:22:13.599 willing to seek help. Perhaps where I've been willing to shift blame where I 00:22:13.748 --> 00:22:20.545 ought not to have. Maybe I need to listen to others who have gone before me, who, 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:26.519 have recovered, who have made significant changes, because they were once where I was, 00:22:27.297 --> 00:22:34.759 perhaps I don't know what they now know, and I need to know that. Sit with that. Perhaps, 00:22:35.408 --> 00:22:41.799 ask a trusted loved one, just ask them and say, please be gentle with me, but is there something, 00:22:41.998 --> 00:22:48.236 is there a place where my pride is keeping me from seeing something that is keeping me stuck? 00:22:48.812 --> 00:22:52.368 That's a hard question to ask, and not a question to ask everyone. 00:22:52.710 --> 00:22:56.919 Ask those who you trust, and those who you know want the best for you. 00:22:58.310 --> 00:23:02.667 Thank you for tuning in this week and joining with me in this conversation. 00:23:03.045 --> 00:23:06.439 I hope it was helpful, even if it was a hard word to hear. 00:23:07.258 --> 00:23:12.279 Let me know if you have any questions or how this is impacting you and your journey, 00:23:13.109 --> 00:23:19.399 through recovery. You can always email me at Luke at ConduitMinistries.com and 00:23:19.591 --> 00:23:23.030 And you can also leave any comments or anything here and I'll see those. 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:36.169 Music.