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Welcome to NoOffice, a podcast about work, technology and life from a remote company perspective.

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In Nozbe, we believe that work is not a place to go, it is a thing that you do. That is why,

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since 2007, we run our company 100% remotely. In Nozbe, there is NoOffice.

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The No Office Podcast is sponsored by Nozbe teams, a to-do app that helps modern teams do great things.

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Go to nozbe.com to learn more.

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Hello and welcome to No Office Podcast, which is a show about work, technology and life

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from a remote company perspective. My name is Rafal Sobolewski and as always I'm joined by

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CEO of our NoOffice company Nozbe, Michael Sliwinski. Hello Michael! How do you feel after

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running this NoOffice company for 15 years now? I feel great that, first of all, I feel great that

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we are there 15 years. It's like when you think about it most companies fail very quickly. So the

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the fact that we are online and we are live,

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and then we are really running this company.

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We've been doing this for 15 years.

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We've had 700,000 users worldwide

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sign up for our software.

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It's a big thing.

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And the thing is that it's big,

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but on the other hand, it's still small.

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When you compare it to other companies that go so fast,

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you always have these thoughts that maybe,

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I'm doing this too slow or maybe I'm doing this too fast or maybe I'm doing something

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wrong.

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And for me, I think the main theme is just to keep trying, keep doing and then keep going

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at your own pace.

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It's good to have inspirations and then see other people how they are running their companies.

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But remember, this is your company.

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So run it at your own pace.

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Because I grow as the company grows.

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My growth is company's growth very often.

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And sometimes I'm very hard on myself thinking, "You know, I should have done better. I should

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have done more." But sometimes I'm like, "That's fine. I like it that way." It's a rollercoaster,

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to say the least, with everything that we've experienced, all the changes, the technology,

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how it has changed. Nozbe launched when iPhone launched the same year. And as you know, iPhone

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was the Jesus phone. It was the phone that changed everything. So it was the phone that

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changed the way people perceive phones. So we had to adapt from my idea of a desktop

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GTD software to a multi-platform productivity software suite, and it was all a big change

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and a big metamorphosis. And we had to deal with the technology changing and all that

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stuff. And last but not least, as you know or might know, I have three daughters. All

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of them are younger than Nozbe. So recently my eldest daughter, she just turned 13, she

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was complaining that Nozbe is older than her. So I launched Nozbe before I had my children

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and then throughout that time I have had three children. So, you know, it's a rollercoaster,

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like to say the least. Yeah.

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Yeah. I think that without Nozbe, it would be hard for you to having three children to

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raise three children.

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To get everything organized, exactly.

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And on top of that, we are the pioneers.

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I launched Nozbe from my home,

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and even when I hired people, I never set up an office.

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We are truly no office company,

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hence the name of this podcast.

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And we've never even thought about having an office.

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My first hire, Tomas, who's our main business guy now,

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my business analytical technical guy in the company,

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my analytical part and Tomas, I hired him when he was living 300 kilometers away from me, you know, but he was the best. So that's why I thought, you know, I want the best that I can afford. And he was the best. And he's still the best. And he's still here. So we set it out like this. And we keep running company like this. So now after the pandemic, people are finally embracing no office lifestyle. But we were one of the first companies like this. And even before the pandemic, people were looking at us like we are strangers, like having a fully remote company.

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The technology was already there to run it like this.

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It's actually possible.

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It's actually feasible.

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for this year when we start living our lives again

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because many companies will still keep their offices,

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And having talked to so many entrepreneurs over these last two years, I can see that it takes them time to embrace this kind of lifestyle, but it's good that finally they do.

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The snowball is so big now that it cannot be stopped.

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because we turned 15, I decided,

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to just connect with them, reconnect with them.

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how we manage some things.

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to make sure that they are really,

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they're still on top of things

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a new graphic designer contractor

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but in the end, what happened was that it turned

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into a Nozbe sales call.

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but what can I tell you?

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We are using Nozbe to make sure that it works.

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in the new Nozbe, we created the project for him.

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to make sure that he can receive all the notifications

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on his mobile phone.

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We didn't have to even set up a Slack channel for him.

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Like, none of that.

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Everything happens in Nozbe.

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When I said that, and then I said the exactly same thing with the other guy, and then this is what we do with our translators and stuff.

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just trying to just talk about stuff.

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without even trying to sell Nozbe.

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So it was, and that's what I like about our company

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is that with our no office values

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So we use Nozbe to build Nozbe.

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We use the app as much as any other guy.

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Like we don't just say that remote work can be nice.

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Like we, this is how we work.

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you shouldn't have so many meetings,

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but then we have so many meetings.

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tweaking to make sure that we don't have too many meetings.

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like this, then it's hard not to recommend your app

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this is the room where it happens.

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That we don't need to move to the big city to have great career opportunities,

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but just work from wherever we want.

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So it's like, you know, really, I didn't want to sell anything to her.

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Like this is what I can-- and so in the end of the conversation, I was like, so you can

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choose any other tool.

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Like you can choose our competitors or whoever.

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But I'm telling you that-- because I wanted to explain to her the main thing.

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tool, it's going to be easy.

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Like right there, right?

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because we think this is the best tool for that,

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but you can choose any other tool.

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But if you use the data tool, you know?

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they're thinking of ditching Jira

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but for now, this is really enough

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and we really do have everything in GitHub.

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So the artist formerly known as Nozbe teams now is new Nozbe.

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for family use and for your team.

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to deliver all of the features that are necessary.

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- This is one of the learnings or takeaways

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when you run a company.

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Fake it until you make it, it's kind of real.

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like you can have all the plans in the world,

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all the ideas in the world, but in the end of the day,

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you never know what's gonna work

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and you never know how things are gonna turn out.

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we thought first of directly replacing the old Nozbe.

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in the beginning. So we had all the design plans, all these ideas and everything. And we had the whole new technology stack ready for that because we were thinking of using a different technology to make sure that we can have Nozbe like this for the next decade or more to come.

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come, because the technology stack that we used in the first version of Nozbe, and that

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we kept improving was limiting us of what we could do. So we did that.

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going to take a lot more time than we thought. And at the start, we want to focus on the

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new features, completely different from Nozbe Personal. So we thought, let's launch

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as Nozbe teams. So just for teams. And then we can add the kind of missing features that are really

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also important in productivity, but not as important for team collaboration. So that was the

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idea. And then we launched Nozbe teams and we had two products, but then people were confused. They

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didn't know which product for them to use. They thought Nozbe personal was abandoned, which it wasn't.

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and then we started just to focus on Nozbe teams. So it was a mess. And then we decided to finally

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admit that Nozbe teams is the new Nozbe really. And this was all our plan, back to

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original plan, basically. Because in the midst of all this, we had all these changes of art.

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We didn't know maybe this, maybe that, maybe this. And we decided that with 15 years of Nozbe,

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let's just use the birthday as an excuse to actually announce it. Because Nozbe teams,

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the artist formerly known as Nozbe teams, as you said, is mature enough, is good enough.

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we will add, some of them we might. We said, let's do this. And of course, for that, we had to prepare

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a migrator, which I know how much you've worked on it, because it was so much work to make sure that

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we can migrate. It is still because we need to improve it, because we learned from the great feedback

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from our customers some small issues. Yeah, and what I wanted to highlight, it is that because

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back in 2020 when we were launching Nozbe Teams, the app was in the state that it wouldn't be a

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good idea to offer it for Nozbe personnel users that didn't have any team to use it because it

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was lacking many features for them. If we encourage them to switch, they would hurt

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themselves their productivity. Now, after almost two years of developing Nozbe teams,

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now it's new Nozbe and of course it still doesn't have all of the features of Nozbe Personal.

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users to test if they can already use new Nozbe. And Nozbe Personal is here to stay because, like,

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many users are asking us of this. Like, we will not be able to develop new features for Nozbe

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but we are here to maintain it and make sure it works for many years to come.

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So you can use it and yeah, it can be still your trusted productivity system.

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that Nozick Personal will be maintained because this is a trusted productivity system.

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But if you want the new features, then we can have the new features when you migrate to the new Nozick.

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and then you will have the new features.

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like for example, we don't have templates yet

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in the new Nozbe, we're gonna have them soon, but not yet.

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and migrate in a few months

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when we are ready to ship the new templates

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in the new Nozbe.

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the Mac app and the Windows app,

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but if you really want them now,

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so just wait a month or something.

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set up a free new Nozbe account, and then you'll see how much you like it or not, and how much you can enjoy it now.

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The thing is that it's really hard to iterate on a product and to change it.

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In very basic aspects of the app.

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In 2007, you designed Nozbe to be the tool that helps you.

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With productivity, yeah?

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And this is the thing. I've increased the team. The team is bigger. It's not just me.

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I've matured. I've learned a lot from the users and from our team.

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So at the end of the day, because of that, we want to try new things.

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things. We want to try better things, we think, better productivity ideas. But it's really

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hard to put them, to shove them to users who are used to the application as it is right

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now. That's why I think it was a very audacious call and very brave of us to launch a new

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app completely and rewrite app, which is really hard and lots of work and lots of money, to

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rewrite it completely, to be able to try new things, to try new things for the next decade,

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for the next 10 years, for the 15 years, whatever,

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like to try new stuff.

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and a tough dance.

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what I've learned from last week announcing

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the 15 years of Nozbe and then the Nozbe teams

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becoming the new Nozbe version basically,

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is the fact that when you announce that,

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when you have the clarity of like,

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like this is the clear path,

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like this is the way to go,

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then most of the users were very supportive.

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Like it was amazing.

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The same users were complaining about us not deciding,

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having two products and all that stuff.

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The same people started saying,

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"Michael, way to go, now we know."

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Having clarity is fantastic.

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And this is like the story of my life.

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Whenever I was debating over things

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and then suddenly I had the clarity of purpose,

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clarity of what I want to do,

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the clarity is just great.

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Because when you have clarity, you just go for it.

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You just do everything we can.

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Like we have clarity, this is the new Nozbe.

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So we know we have to improve the migrator

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to make sure that the migrator really works for everyone.

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'Cause now it works like in 90%, it just works perfectly.

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And the 10%, it can get flaky.

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So we know that.

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So now we are improving it on it.

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because this is a part of the process.

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the migration of plants and all that stuff

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to make it really seamless.

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really well done because people rely on them.

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So that's great.

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So like the moment when you have clarity,

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like everything aligns,

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like you put your ducks in a row.

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- Yeah, and that's why I discussed

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the previous episodes of this podcast.

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We are more and more transparent

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and that really helps us because we recite

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a lot of positive feedback,

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even from customers who say like,

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"Okay, I really like New Nozbe,

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but I still need to stay in Nozbe personal,

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but I'm excited about New Nozbe."

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- Exactly.

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So yeah, and we received a lot of feedback like this,

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and it was such a relief.

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- I mean, really, this is the thing,

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and I've been questioning many of my decisions

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over these last 15 years, like very often,

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and then people have been questioning my decisions

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very often, and it's good to question stuff,

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but at the end of the day, you have to decide,

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and you have to make a decision

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and just move forward with it and see how it goes.

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And the good thing about running a small software company

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is the fact that usually most of the decisions

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not big decisions. So you can, if you see that the path that you took is not the right

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one, you can still go back and change the path. Sometimes you can, sometimes it's just

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really hard then, but usually you can. And that's why it's good to try, it's good to

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give it a shot and then see how it goes. I can tell you honestly that it's almost never

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right or wrong. It's usually, let's see what gets us.

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And during this preparation for launching New Nozbe, what I really liked was that I

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recorded a video, a demo, step by step, how to use our migrator.

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And I really liked it, but I made some mistakes.

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mode theme in the browser.

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I only noticed after recording it.

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It was a deadline.

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So we decided, okay, let's go for it.

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But interesting thing is the day after I started recording Polish version of the same video

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and I was doing this on Friday evening.

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I know I usually shouldn't do it on Friday, but that was unusual week.

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And I encountered this issue in our migrator that subscription migration didn't work for

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some reason.

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I recorded like 80% of the video and I said, "Okay, I can finish it on Monday."

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But I was recording on Friday evening and I had a small circle of view from my camera

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with my face next to the screencast, next to the Nozbe UI.

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I put the same t-shirt that I wore on fly day.

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I should record more and more videos like this because I didn't expect that it's so

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easy.

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Yeah, I mean, we're getting better at this.

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So let's talk more about the videos after the break.

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Let's do a sponsor break for our Nozbe, for our new Nozbe.

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So like, you know, this whole episode almost is about

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you know, it's about also our journey

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as the No Office company.

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So stay with us and let's hear like how Nozbe

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can solve your problems because it's just great.

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- Once I started using Nozbe,

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that's when we started to really think beyond

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like a freelance mindset to more of a team mindset.

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And the beauty of it is that we can have a remote team.

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So we could hire people based on their credentials

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or based on relationships that we had

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and people that we knew would be really good

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and didn't have to hire based on location

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and somebody that's within a mile radius,

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something close to where we were.

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whether it's a contractor or an employee to the team,

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we can get them set up with NoSpe

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and within really an hour,

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they can see projects and tasks that are assigned to them

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and start working.

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So most of our team's really taking those pretty easily.

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- All right. - All right.

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And yeah, I want to remind you

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that we are still celebrating our 15th birthday.

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So you have time to 15th February?

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- Yes, to get 15 bucks.

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- Yeah, to take advantage and get 15 bucks from us

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in credit in our referral program

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that you can later use to extend your Nozbe premium subscription.

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All you have to do is to sign up for a new Nozbe.

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Exactly, or set up a new team.

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For a free account.

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you just set up a new team inside the app.

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So let me just talk about that, because I think it's, again,

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something that we wanted to do always in the old Nozbe,

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but never got around to it because of many decisions we made in the product.

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In the new Nozbe, you can have several teams.

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And we talked about it already in previous podcasts,

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but the cool thing now with this promo

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that you can get 15 bucks if you set up a new team

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is that you have a perfect excuse

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to actually set up a new team.

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in the company, you can create a new team for yourself,

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for your personal tasks, or maybe,

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which I think is really cool use case,

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set up a team for your family.

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I mean, five projects and five people.

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invite your wife, your children,

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and just get your house organized.

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and quite a few tags that you can use as well,

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like with all that, you can really have a free app

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that manages your whole household.

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is not only great for work, but also for getting all the chores done. And also teaching your kids

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and your wife, maybe, or your husband, productivity principles. Like that we have to delegate tasks,

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you have to comment on the tasks, you have to iron out the details, like all that stuff.

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Make sure to check it out. I am right now in the process of setting it up for my family. I mean,

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we have three kids, so the plan five people is perfect for us actually.

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So you're using free account?

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I'm using a free account.

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I'm also this way, I'm also testing the free account, how it works, how are the limits,

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and all that stuff to make sure that we also communicate these limits and communicate the benefits of premium.

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But make no mistake, Rafał, I'm going to upgrade to premium because we will have

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also projects just between me and my wife.

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So we really want to use it also as our personal productivity thing.

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So it will be our personal space.

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And I also want to teach my eldest daughter for now,

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and then the remaining of my daughters,

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how to also set up projects just for them,

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how to manage stuff with us together and all that stuff.

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And then of course we want to have projects like vacations

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as projects for the whole team

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so that everybody can contribute.

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you can appreciate that you have to get your children

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involved in planning, because if you don't,

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and they just might not want to do what you think you wanted to do,

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or might not have enough enthusiasm for that,

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or might just take things for granted.

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So it's good to get them involved.

477
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,400
But do you really want to, like, having vacation with your family

478
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,840
at the beach and just receive notification from Nozbe,

479
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:09,920
from your daughter with a task, Daddy, can you bring me a towel?

480
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,600
I hope we will not get to that.

481
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,480
But we do want to plan things,

482
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,200
'cause we have this idea in the summer

483
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,480
to go rent a camper van again,

484
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,680
a camper van like this house on wheels.

485
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,520
Yes, and drive around the north of Europe.

486
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,640
We wanna go to Norway, Denmark, and Sweden.

487
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,440
And our idea is to use it.

488
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,680
For that, you need to really plan it,

489
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,360
'cause there will be ferries involved,

490
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:44,880
would be Legoland, of course, because, come on, I'm a big fan of Lego. And an excuse to

491
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,960
go to Legoland. Of course, for my kids, not for me, is fantastic. And so for that, we

492
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,640
need to plan it. So I do expect my daughter to prepare some plans, you know, which fjords

493
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,600
to see in Norway. And anyway, by the way, if you have any tips for me to visit, you

494
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,680
know, visiting Denmark, Norway or Sweden, or if you're from this country and want to

495
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,920
give me some tips, like, you know, email me at michael@nazmi.com. I'll be really happy.

496
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,860
So we are doing that and I think we can do it all in Nozbe again, just as a family.

497
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:14,860
And I think it's going to be great.

498
00:27:14,860 --> 00:27:19,800
Okay, one last thing about Nozbe, I promise, because let's hide this because we have some

499
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:26,720
questions about it, is that this free account or premium accounts is like per team.

500
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,920
If you have two teams, you can have one team is premium and one team can be free.

501
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,160
So the account type, the subscription type is per team, not per account.

502
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:43,160
Because if you have many companies, you like to have different invoices data for them.

503
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:50,160
Of course. And also, this gives you flexibility that you can really try things like this.

504
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,160
Have several companies. You don't have to be owner of all these companies to be part of the teams.

505
00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:01,160
And also, again, I want to highlight the second team option. It's also a great benefit for your employees.

506
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:08,160
So if you set up the new Nozbe for your team, and then for example premium, let's say, for 10 people,

507
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,160
and you have 10 people in your team, these 10 people, all of them have access to your team, of course,

508
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,160
but then all of them can set up their own free account, own free team.

509
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:24,160
So you are basically giving them a value add that they can get their personal stuff organized

510
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,920
and their business stuff organized all in one app, which is just very convenient and

511
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,280
very productive, I think.

512
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:37,480
Let's change topics and talk about life. And actually, you are going to visit Denmark,

513
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,480
yeah?

514
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Yes.

515
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,520
Yes. And the Danish government has proclaimed that 2022 to be the year of the bicycle.

516
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,520
Nice.

517
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,520
Yeah. And because Tour de France will start in Denmark this year.

518
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,920
Wow, that's interesting.

519
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:59,720
Yeah, and that's interesting also because I also proclaimed for me 2022 to be the year of bicycle.

520
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:07,240
Actually, I named it El Ano de Andal en Bicí, and I will get to it why it's in Spanish.

521
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:13,400
But as you may remember from our previous episode when we talked about yearly reviews, etc.,

522
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:19,800
I recently for two, three years now, I switched from setting goals for the year to setting

523
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:28,520
theme or theme or direction. So I called my theme for 2022, a line of them under NBC,

524
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:37,640
riding a bike. Why is that? Because in the 2021, riding a bike was the one, the biggest thing

525
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:46,200
that actually made me feel alive. The thing that made me feel alive, that forget for some time

526
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,880
about all the bad things happening in the world, especially in our country right now.

527
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:58,680
And it really sparks joy inside my heart. So yeah, I want to focus not only on riding a bike,

528
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:06,760
but it's a reminder for me to focus on those things that can help me forget about the whole

529
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:13,080
bad stuff and that sparks joy inside of me. And second thing I noticed that magically sparks joy

530
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,440
inside me, Spanish language. Because, yeah, I really enjoyed learning Spanish, talking

531
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:26,800
Spanish, listening to people talking Spanish. And yeah, in the recent years, I somehow lost

532
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:32,400
it. Because in recent years, I was focusing on improving my English, English for this

533
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,880
podcast, for other videos, and so on. I don't know why, but it's magical language that the

534
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,400
the melody of this language, it just sparks joy in my heart.

535
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,720
And yeah, from now on, I'm trying to listen

536
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,440
more Spanish music and less podcasts.

537
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,280
- Okay.

538
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,620
- Because podcasts are always like additional information

539
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:55,080
and I, yeah, you need to take a break sometimes

540
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,080
from information and I don't have kids.

541
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,840
So for you, it's natural that after work,

542
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,560
you play with kids and that's this kind of activity for you.

543
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,040
I need to find something else.

544
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Yeah, I already changed the language of Nozbe to Spanish.

545
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,720
So now I'm dogfooding Nozbe in Spanish so I can give some feedback to Domi about Spanish

546
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,720
translation.

547
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:28,500
I really can't wait for spring to come because I already riding my bike when weather is nice,

548
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,360
but when spring comes, I'm selling my car.

549
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Oh yeah, wow.

550
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,920
- Yes, yes, so 2022 will be no office and no car lifestyle

551
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,280
because yeah, what I learned last year

552
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,960
that actually driving a car doesn't,

553
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,320
at least in our country, doesn't spark joy.

554
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,960
- Anymore. - Anymore for me.

555
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Yeah, I figured it out in the autumn,

556
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,000
but recent trip, I used to like driving a car

557
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,000
like for a trip on the highway, listening to the podcast,

558
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,320
But now I notice that it just,

559
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,380
even this small noise of the car, it bothers me.

560
00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:09,500
The driving style of other people,

561
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:12,560
it just makes me anxious, nervous.

562
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,880
And when I compare it to the trip I had

563
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,440
for our last Nozbe reunion,

564
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,900
which was combined bike plus train,

565
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:23,160
like, man, that was awesome experience.

566
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,440
I want to travel like this.

567
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,520
Because I know like, bike is not only great

568
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,480
for recreation, for fun.

569
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,360
It's only good for not only transportation inside the city,

570
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,960
which is obvious, but also for traveling like this.

571
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,520
So I want to take more bike trips this year,

572
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,080
and I will be selling my car

573
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,640
because we sum up our expenses for the car

574
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,960
and see for what we actually use it.

575
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,120
And it resulted that we actually don't need it

576
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,320
to having a car.

577
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,160
Of course, with the same cost,

578
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:03,760
can still use like taxi or Uber couple of times per week and like two, three times per

579
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,320
year we can rent a car, like even better car for the same cost, for the same summary cost

580
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:16,080
per year. So when I don't have car easy available, I will always choose bike as my default transportation

581
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,840
mode. The barrier of entry is, yeah, is better. So when you, for example, want to visit your

582
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,680
parents who live very far away from you right now in the north you will just

583
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,480
rent a car for that or will you travel like public transport like by train or

584
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,960
something there is an option like train plus 60 kilometer 60 kilometers bike

585
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:43,000
right Wow that's ambitious so I want to once do that and for other other trips

586
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,120
we will rent a car I still have this feeling of FOMO so fear of missing out

587
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:56,840
because I budged and I didn't join you for the bike trip in for our reunion

588
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,760
because it I was envious that you did it and I wanted to do it. That's on you man.

589
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:08,800
That's on me completely. Yeah I'm just I'm just saying that I am. But speaking of year of the

590
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:15,440
bike for for my family it started out like this because my kids were not

591
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,120
really fond of bikes. In the beginning of the pandemic I bought bikes for my wife and for my

592
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:28,400
eldest daughter. My middle daughter, she had an okay bike. And we rode a few times, but then

593
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,560
kind of these bikes were just in the basement collecting dust. And I was like, "Man, I'm a

594
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:40,960
triathlete. I love riding on a bike. Why don't they want to do it?" But as you know, as a parent,

595
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:47,360
it's hard to enforce your point of view on people. You should just maybe let them grow and let them

596
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,440
just embrace it themselves. And what happened was exactly that. Like my eldest daughter said,

597
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,400
"I want to go to the school by bike." And I was like, "Oh yeah, but it's five kilometers. It's not

598
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,280
just very short and then it's a hilly ride. So like we have to try it first." So we did.

599
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,480
And then the middle daughter said, "Yeah, I want to do the same." And I was like, "Ah-ha!"

600
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,840
And then, in the end, we actually bought the middle daughter a new bike.

601
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Because she outgrew the bike. My middle daughter, she's gonna turn 10 now, and she grew like

602
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:26,800
five centimeters in the last half a year. So it's amazing how fast she grows. So we got her a

603
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,280
new bike where she had more gears, and especially for the hilly ride, it's fantastic to have more

604
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:37,520
gears and now she just can't wait to go by bike to school. And then the little one,

605
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:44,800
the six-year-old, five and a half year old, she learned to ride bike from scratch in seven days

606
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,120
flat. Like really from on the first day already she could, you know, ride on her own without me

607
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,160
supporting her. And then next day she learned how to start and then she learned how to do slaloms

608
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:04,160
and like so quickly. So now all my girls are riding bicycles and they love it. And so I think,

609
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,920
it's still a little bit cold in the mornings and they are a little bit cold themselves,

610
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,880
like with some running nose and stuff. So we decided that starting not in February,

611
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:22,160
but in March, we should start riding to school by bike almost every day. And it's going to be

612
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,320
like a completely new dynamic for our family because we are used to going by

613
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:32,080
like you know with our seven-seater car all of the girls to school and it's a

614
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,160
five kilometer ride so for for a bike it's quite lot but for car it's almost

615
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,320
nothing so it's kind of you know why it's kind of wasteful to take the car

616
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:45,240
for a five kilometer ride you know and I love it I'm happy and again it wasn't me

617
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:51,040
forcing them it was them being curious about it and trying it out so you know

618
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,320
I'm not saying my car, I still need a family car. I'm sorry, but this is the way it goes here.

619
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Yeah, no, like, I understand that people with children.

620
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,760
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's like this. And especially, we live on the on the

621
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:10,320
suburbs, like in the outskirts of the city. So we want to live here. So, so it's fine. But, but but

622
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,640
I was saying, what I'm saying is that we will use it less, especially for shorter trips, because we

623
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,680
we will use the bikes.

624
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,320
And also, I think starting from March or maybe April,

625
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,100
also for the extracurricular classes,

626
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,520
like for example in the evenings

627
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,620
where my elder daughter goes to the gym and stuff,

628
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:29,600
and then she can just go by bike.

629
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,520
I don't have to take her by car anymore.

630
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,920
She can just go by bike, you know,

631
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,640
tie the bike in, and then come back by bike.

632
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,340
It's fantastic.

633
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:41,260
Also, this feeling of independence,

634
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:44,020
what I saw in the eyes of my kids was amazing.

635
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:50,220
Like the feeling of like, I can do this, this is my bike and I can ride it and I can just go by myself.

636
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:51,420
Like it's fantastic.

637
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:54,220
Yeah. And you're never stuck in traffic.

638
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:54,620
Yeah.

639
00:37:54,620 --> 00:38:04,020
That's nice. And I don't know how is your city, but actually in Poland for the recent 20 years, the bike infrastructure got really, really good.

640
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:12,820
Like it's not still like many lanes, et cetera, but many trips you can do like with 70, 80%

641
00:38:12,820 --> 00:38:19,020
by the separate bike lane, separate bike track that you can even many times go through the

642
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:24,340
park or next to the river, but there is no cars at all.

643
00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:25,660
So yeah, that's really nice.

644
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:31,260
Yeah, so we discovered that, yeah, from where we live, for example, there is no bike infrastructure

645
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:33,740
like in our closed neighborhood.

646
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:40,180
when we get out of it then there is and there is actually pretty vast so just one of the

647
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:44,500
things that we do now on Sundays for example for the holy service for the church we go

648
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:50,620
by bikes and then from there we go by bikes ride around and then go to a restaurant for

649
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:57,540
a for our you know it's our family outing you know in on Sundays so it's really really

650
00:38:57,540 --> 00:39:02,840
nice speaking of that I can see now how the infrastructure in our neighborhood can could

651
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:10,680
improve and I am actually going to try to lobby our local neighborhood to

652
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,040
actually change it. Because I like driving cars. For me, driving cars

653
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:21,560
still sparks joy and all that stuff. But I can see how too many

654
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:28,400
parking places are just wasteful and how removing one parking lane which

655
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:34,400
like fits like you know 10 cars could just make it a very nice and and and wide

656
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:40,000
bike lane you know and of course these 10 cars will find a place to park somewhere else no problem

657
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:47,280
and we will have a nice safe you know bike lane so um i wanna start lobbying that here in our

658
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,360
neighborhood and then start proposing that we should do it the neighborhood should think about

659
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:58,080
it and should really um find money in the budget to really start changing to a more bike friendly

660
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:04,440
place and not just have parking lots. Yeah, it's in the interest of

661
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:10,560
drivers even to have more bikers because more bikers mean less

662
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,940
car drivers and that's good for everyone. And you know the thing is

663
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:20,460
that drivers are not really patient with bike riders. So for

664
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:24,380
example there is a piece where I'm going with my 10 year old by bike

665
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:27,740
and I'm just going in the middle of the road because there is no other

666
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:33,420
way to go. Pavement is too narrow, and then there are parking places, and then there is the

667
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:41,500
one-way street. And the funny part is that it's like a 300-meter one-way street. And at the end

668
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:47,020
of the street there is a red light, always. So they are going behind us. We go like 20 something

669
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:52,780
kilometers an hour because it's downhill. They go behind us and they try to overtake us. And I'm

670
00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:54,740
And I'm like, man, calm down.

671
00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:57,660
Like, you're going to be on the red light in 300 meters.

672
00:40:57,660 --> 00:40:58,780
So there is no rush.

673
00:40:58,780 --> 00:41:00,220
Like, you will not gain anything.

674
00:41:00,220 --> 00:41:01,860
But still, they're like, ah.

675
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:04,420
You know, it's so annoying.

676
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:07,860
And once somebody overtook me, even though they

677
00:41:07,860 --> 00:41:10,740
had no space really to do it, and later they

678
00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:11,980
stopped at the red light.

679
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:13,740
So I caught them on the red light.

680
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:15,420
And I knocked on their window.

681
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:16,860
And I was like, man, really?

682
00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:18,060
Did you have to do it?

683
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:19,460
Like, couldn't you just wait?

684
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:21,860
And he apologized, which was nice.

685
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:23,060
Oh, that's nice.

686
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:26,060
Yeah, because it was like, come on, man.

687
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:28,620
You're not going to speed up here.

688
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:30,620
This is not going to happen.

689
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:34,620
I'm really approving this ecological way of doing things

690
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:35,660
and riding a bike.

691
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:37,980
And I'm really happy as a father and proud

692
00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:41,020
that my daughters are right now good bikers.

693
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:44,580
And you can see the more we go, the better they become.

694
00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:45,500
They're just faster.

695
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,460
They are stronger.

696
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:49,700
It's fantastic.

697
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:55,840
As I said, it's a win-win-win situation, because it's less stressful, it's better for your

698
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health, it costs less.

699
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Yes, yes.

700
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It's fantastic.

701
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And having a good bike, I was so happy that we bought for the middle one, for Emilia,

702
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we bought her a very good bike.

703
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And she enjoys it so much, and now she learned how to switch gears in front and in the back,

704
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and she can mix and match.

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And then it's like, and then she's so happy and she's so, you know, I don't know, self,

706
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,960
you know, like the self worth is just like doubles like these is just like she's like

707
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so proud of herself that she can do all that. And she can climb that hill and it's fine.

708
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,920
All right, so any other thoughts for your on your plans on 2022?

709
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I'm gonna be because as you know, we've talked about our home offices and all that stuff.

710
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I keep improving my home office. As if you're watching this podcast, you can see that I

711
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,740
I am a bit bigger like I mean no I the the the you can see that there is a new

712
00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:56,080
lens here like you can see more of my office when you look at when you look at

713
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,360
me now which is a very nice I bought a very nice lens for my Sigma lens for my

714
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:07,840
Sony camera that's why you can see me in such a nice so I before that I used to

715
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,400
have this lens this small one which was manual focus I also had that one but it

716
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:20,520
was just too close to my face and now I have a wide angle and nice

717
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,480
lens so I'm gonna be recording more videos about our no office lifestyle.

718
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,620
There will be a new video dropping very soon on the home office again and

719
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:35,760
there will be additional videos coming up very soon because now I have this as

720
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you mentioned it's getting more effortless to record a video and we have

721
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:46,940
very cool video guy who's editing the videos very quickly. So this way we can

722
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:51,460
really produce some cool videos and then have them shipped pretty quickly.

723
00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:56,320
And like all these ideas I had for videos now we can react on them. So I

724
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,540
want to do that. And of course I mentioned that we're going to have this

725
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:04,420
trip to Legoland and to give you an idea like this is my new Porsche from

726
00:44:04,420 --> 00:44:10,660
Lego which I just built. It's fantastic and this this particular

727
00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:17,460
model. It's a 911 Turbo and 911 Targa. So you can in the end, you can decide which one you want.

728
00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:24,340
And because I didn't want to decide, I built a Turbo Targa. So I basically mixed and matched

729
00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:32,260
so that I can have both. So first I built the Turbo and then I decided, let's try to build

730
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:38,740
the Turbo Targa. So I did that, and I found all the pieces necessary and it's really cool.

731
00:44:38,740 --> 00:44:42,660
It's a very cool car. So I love building LEGO bricks.

732
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:50,500
So I'm so happy that... So I'm selling a car and you buy more cars, but in LEGO?

733
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:54,100
Yes, exactly. I'm buying lots of cars, but only... So I have a dream...

734
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:58,020
Like when you have this hashtag on Instagram "dream garage", so I have a dream garage

735
00:44:58,020 --> 00:45:02,420
of lots of Porsches, but they're LEGO size. So, well...

736
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:08,940
you should put your Porsches on the porch.

737
00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:11,460
- Exactly, exactly.

738
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So that's basically it.

739
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But the most important thing for us really is,

740
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and the most important thing for me is

741
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:21,660
now that we have clarity about Nozbe,

742
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I have clarity that I have to really finish up

743
00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:26,060
and start promoting my book, "No Office."

744
00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:29,420
So we will be discussing more chapters from my book

745
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:31,460
in the future episodes of this show

746
00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:33,700
to discuss them in depth.

747
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:36,200
I will be editing the show, I mean the show,

748
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,300
not sorry, the show, I will be editing the book.

749
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:41,860
Because right now you can, if you go to nooffice.org,

750
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:44,820
you can see the rough draft of the book

751
00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:47,340
and you can read it online, it's for free.

752
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:49,860
I mentioned that I'm gonna open source the book.

753
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:54,780
So now the idea is to build a launch team

754
00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:55,620
and get a launch team.

755
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:59,660
So if you wanna learn more, just stay tuned

756
00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:01,240
for the updates on this.

757
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,260
And then when we have the launch team,

758
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:08,260
I will be editing each chapter of the book to do the final edit and also send it for proofreading, but also editing with the community.

759
00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:15,660
So with people who will be in the launch team to make sure that all the chapters are clear, concise, and exactly the way we want.

760
00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:24,260
And then in May, probably, this is the tentative date.

761
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:28,780
I shouldn't promise dates.

762
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:31,620
Yeah, you should.

763
00:46:31,620 --> 00:46:32,260
But I'm not involved in bug production.

764
00:46:30,580 --> 00:46:34,580
So I just let you... That's on you.

765
00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:35,580
That's on me, man.

766
00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:38,580
That's on you and no impact on my work.

767
00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:44,580
Exactly. So my idea is in May to launch the official No Office book.

768
00:46:44,580 --> 00:46:52,580
Like launch, like have a launch party, launch it and offer it for sale on Amazon and on Audible

769
00:46:52,580 --> 00:47:05,580
with all proceeds going to charity and also offer it completely free online to read on the web or get a PDF or ebook version.

770
00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:14,580
So you will be able to get it in many forms and hopefully this NoOffice book will spread like wildfire and people will learn about NoOffice lifestyle better.

771
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:19,580
and it will help everyone to change to this, you know,

772
00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:23,480
hybrid remote first workspace

773
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,020
that I think everyone deserves.

774
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:27,240
- Okay, let's, with these good vibes,

775
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:29,440
let's wrap up this episode.

776
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,280
- Exactly.

777
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,860
- So Michael, what day is tomorrow?

778
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:34,620
- It's mighty Friday and it's time to?

779
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- To weekly review, plan priorities for next week

780
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,960
and learning something new to have a great weekend.

781
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,360
So if you enjoyed this show, please help support this podcast.

782
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,760
You can share it with a friend.

783
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:53,260
You can leave us a nice review in our podcast, or you can just check out our Nozbe app.

784
00:47:53,260 --> 00:47:55,360
So you can check out our Nozbe app and get 15 bucks.

785
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:01,760
We give 15 bucks for free. Anyway, and really think like for the, you know,

786
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,760
it's the beginning of the year. So for the next months to come,

787
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think about your priorities well and really try to use Mighty Fridays.

788
00:48:09,260 --> 00:48:14,340
try to use Fridays as a weekly review part and to learn something completely new because

789
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:21,220
a skill that you will acquire may help you with everything.

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This episode has not been created in the office because in Nozbeam there is no office.

791
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Your hosts were Michael Stravinsky and Rafa Soboleski.

792
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All the links and show notes you will find on nov.fm/35.

793
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The whole production process of this episode has been coordinated in a project in Nozbe

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App.

795
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Work is not a place to go, it is a thing that you do.

796
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Thank you and see you too in two weeks.

797
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,680
Remember to have a mighty Friday.

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