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0:00:09 - Speaker 1
Hey guys and all my fellow Swifties or people who are faking to be Swifties welcome to the. Is this Cinema a podcast, the offshoot of the Popcorn for Dinner podcast? So it's going to be well. Before I introduce my guest, let me do the admin. That will introduce a special guest that we've got today. So typical admin is we've got sex ed episodes of the review of the last season. Please have a listen. I know most of you guys have actually binge watched it right now. Or, if you haven't watched it yet, stop what you're doing, watch it and then listen to our episodes. We've also got episodes on Gen V. So if you're currently watching that no, that's very popular Keep listening to the pod. I mean, bank on in the guys. I've got some interesting views. I do say to myself nah, it's the guest of order. 

So Jessica is not here with us because A, is not a Swiftie and B, she's away. So she's in Dubai. So I'm going to come in here on her. She's with her family. She's not getting pooed on by the way, guys, there's no poo gate over there with her. She said her mom's birthday, so happy birthday. Happy belated birthday, auntie. But today we've got a special guest, live and directs male Swiftie. We're doing representation today. Let's hand it together for Eseosa, so say hi. 

0:01:29 - Speaker 2
so, sir, this is this is, oh my God, all my street cred is gone. 

0:01:34 - Speaker 1
You're getting, like I told you, you're getting new street creds. 

0:01:37 - Speaker 2
You just introduced me as a male Swiftie. It's over. 

0:01:40 - Speaker 1
We're trying to do representation. You know what I? 

0:01:43 - Speaker 2
mean we're trying to you know not only the girls and the gays that like Swift. I mean I mean after, after watching. After spending three hours of my time watching this concert, I think I can call myself a Swiftie now. 

0:01:58 - Speaker 1
See propaganda, it works, it works. I should never figure into it, because how did you get into watching this film? Because I might me I could talk about how much I love her. How did you get into watching it? 

0:02:11 - Speaker 2
See, I've always liked Taylor Swift, but then it's always been like a silent love. 

I can't really like I've never been there. See, I'm in like the small circle of people who, when she won the VMA for you belong with me the video, everybody was like beyonds issue to one and I was like I don't think so. I just like whispered it, I don't because. Because because of the way that you belong with me video was, it was like, you know, chair leader, high school quarterback, so I've always been a fan. And then I had a friend of mine who was like we should go and watch this Ares Tour movie and I was like, oh God damn it, okay, fine, we just, you know, let's, let's see what it's about. Because everybody's been talking about this Ares Tour as like, okay, fine, if I'm not going to, at least go to the concert, I may as well see what's about. So that's how I was convinced to go and watch this, this interesting concert. 

0:03:04 - Speaker 1
That's quite good. I mean to be honest everyone who knows me knows this I've been a fan of her as I am 25 now, so I was 2008. So I was 10 when I started listening to her. I've been obsessed with her ever since. I've had every album, like every album. 

0:03:24 - Speaker 2
I have a controversial point. Do you think that Taylor Swift fans I always feel like Taylor Swift fans Beyonce fans and some Drake fans are in the same boat? You are all like either obsessed or not obsessed. There is no middle ground. 

0:03:40 - Speaker 1
Do you know what? No, I feel like people in the middle, because my brother like okay, obviously not now, ever since Drake decided well, drake's always been a misogynyist but he's been very loud with his misogyny. But my brother likes Beyonce, but he's not hive. Does that make any sense? 

0:03:56 - Speaker 2
Fair. I get what you mean. I get what you mean, so like I'm fully hive Beyonce. 

0:03:59 - Speaker 1
That's hive, I'm there. That's my sister, taylor Swift. I love Taylor Swift. That's my girl, but I'm not. I don't know how to explain it. I have some self control, if that makes any sense In the cinema. 

0:04:13 - Speaker 2
some of the stuff I've seen in the cinema. 

0:04:16 - Speaker 1
My cinema. We were all fans, but we've been jumped. We were all singing. 

0:04:19 - Speaker 2
Oh no, my cinema have you seen? There's a TikTok of people having a circle in the cinema and dancing on. 

0:04:25 - Speaker 1
I saw that that was one of the cinemas in London as well. 

0:04:28 - Speaker 2
My cinema had people at the end in a circle, like you have people throwing up heart signs, like doing the whole, you know, with the eye and the little illuminati with the heart. You know what I mean. But it was different. Like I was sad they're thinking is it not entering me the way it's entering them? Like, don't get me wrong, I was singing as well, but like, yeah, my cinema was a concept basically. 

0:04:52 - Speaker 1
No, because literally, like I think, because she was saying what do you call it? Where, before the movie came out, is to go. What did she say? To treat it like it is a concert? So because when she went to watch it, she actually was dancing and singing yeah, she was dancing to look what you made me do. 

I said you're not fair enough, because I mean to be honest when I I I loved take. I mean I'm still alive. I'm lying to myself but, like I remember, I saw her for the first time in for the red tour and I changed my life. I changed my when I saw U2, her life. It changed my life. 

0:05:34 - Speaker 2
Oh, my God. 

0:05:35 - Speaker 1
Changed my life. There's a movie called and it was a me after that show Changed my life. I loved her Because I remember when she dated Harry Styles and it was two of my people that joint sleigh was crazy. Oh my God, but I didn't know who I hated more because I loved her and I didn't want him to be with her. But I loved him and I didn't want her to be with. Oh, it was a very complex time, fiora. 

0:05:58 - Speaker 2
that tune, you see when, when she performed style in in the movie, I remember feeling so bad for singing along. I was like Harry's my boy. 

0:06:06 - Speaker 1
I should have been singing. Singing, see, no, actually. No, it's fine, you know what? Because she's been the most complimentary I've all her exes. He's actually got the best songs written about him. 

0:06:16 - Speaker 2
Oh, the Jake Gyllenhaal song, the Jake. 

0:06:18 - Speaker 1
Gyllenhaal songs, the John Mayer songs, the John Joe Jonas songs. They're not good. The Joe Alwyn songs are going to be very bad, very bad Bads. 

0:06:26 - Speaker 2
No, the Jake Gyllenhaal one when she says I have one more song from this era and it's 10 minutes, all too often. It's 10 minutes and everybody's going off and I'm like, let me listen to these lyrics again. 

0:06:37 - Speaker 1
No, the way I was singing, like a single moment, I was like I was going through heartbreak, Like, no, that song transports me somewhere I can't. I remember when I had my first breakup. That's the first I'm going to listen to, even though I didn't feel that way. Yeah, like the person, my heartbreak wasn't that, it was an immeacable one, but I was like nah, Let me listen to all too well. 

0:07:01 - Speaker 2
It's genuinely amazing, like the number of girls that like relate to the song she sings for the breakups, because the person I went to watch it with at some point we were talking and then she sings a song from Evermore and the person was like stop talking. I relate to this song so much I need to just have a cry. 

0:07:15 - Speaker 1
I feel like I know what song it is. 

0:07:18 - Speaker 2
I feel good with the name of the song. She brings out a guy on the table. 

0:07:23 - Speaker 1
Yes, yes yes, it's tolerated. 

0:07:27 - Speaker 2
Yes, that's it. This girl was like don't talk to me, I need to have my moment. That one, I was like, oh, Because you know what? She does really well. 

0:07:36 - Speaker 1
Someone was saying this on Twitter I don't remember who said it, it was a mutual saying she writes. She's able to write about her own experiences but also write for the audience simultaneously. So how about her personal experience? Because you can tell it's really well written and personal about her, but she writes it so that other people can put themselves in the same position. If someone's gone for the same thing, they'll be able to be like all right, it's the same thing that Adele does really well and it's the same thing that Harry did really well in Fine Light when he was in his depression era. The last part of the album. I'm there with you. It will be a fine light. Yeah, I'm there, I get it, I think you end up realizing. 

0:08:21 - Speaker 2
I think people don't give certain musicians the credit for their songwriting as they should. Especially, I think people give songwriting in general credits for when you're a rapper and all that stuff, but when you're actually a singer it's not something people give people credit for Because everybody just thinks when it comes to singing, are you just vocally in the zone, can you sing? And I think in this movie I was surprised by how many songs she's done and I'm like she wrote that. She wrote that. She wrote this. 

0:08:51 - Speaker 1
Damn. The worst thing is, you can write a song, but she writes good songs. 

0:08:56 - Speaker 2
These are really well written songs. 

0:08:58 - Speaker 1
She was 16, writing really well written songs. She didn't get to see I don't think we saw this song, but she wrote some of the songs on Speak Now she was 18. 

0:09:07 - Speaker 2
It's insane. And she's writing to that. I think I was in the cinema and I was like I'm just going to Wikipedia this woman now because this is insane and I was just reading through it and I'm like you've been making music since you were 17, 16, 17,. Writing music since you were 13, 14. I think it's one of those ones where people don't give. I guess you end up you leave the cinema thinking she doesn't really get as much credit. She deserves. 

So, like you know how people give people longevity, like, oh, you've been in the game for a while. Like I think this tour almost makes you think like, wow, three hours of all her songs. And there were songs in there where I thought you didn't perform Invisible String I didn't see, and Invisible String for me is one of her best songs. 

0:09:51 - Speaker 1
She, she didn't. I didn't see Cardigan. I didn't see Wildest Dreams. I didn't see Last Kiss. I didn't sing the way I loved you. I didn't like there were so many songs, she actually didn't sing she didn't even do. She didn't even do Unread. She didn't even do Come Back, be here. She didn't do Stay, stay, stay. She didn't do Holy Ground On 1989, we didn't even see her do. And it's her best song out of the woods which is about Mr Harry Styles. Oh, my God, that's a good point. 

If you deep, how like, do you know what I'll? I'll bring up Beyonce here. But those two women when they have their shows, I actually fully detail. I watched Taylor yesterday and it was the same cushion that came to when I finished when I went to see Beyonce at the Renaissance tour. So we don't give these women credit Like. 

I give them credit and stuff and I I love them to and they're incredibly talented women, but I don't think we deep to have a free app, for both of them had free hour shows and it's all your stuff you have. It's all you. 

0:10:51 - Speaker 2
No features. She didn't call nobody to come on the stage, it's just you to buy yourselves. 

0:10:56 - Speaker 1
You have so many songs. Obviously, Beyonce had so many songs. She was her own support act. Taylor Swift has so many songs. She did a surprise song set where she could have picked any song. Any song, that's not on the set list. 

0:11:09 - Speaker 2
Any song and you know I think that's mad. It's even like the vocal control. I was telling the person I was watching it. I was like, don't get me wrong, I did say this. I was like I'd call Taylor Swift a three tier performer in terms of, like, singing, instrumentals and dancing. But I don't think she can dance, by the way. 

0:11:25 - Speaker 1
She's a good. That's not her ministry. 

0:11:27 - Speaker 2
She can't dance, but like her ability to like move and sing without losing any breath, like she didn't look flustered at any point, I was like what are you on? 

0:11:38 - Speaker 1
In that. Look what you made me do. I was there. Yeah, she had me hot. Because if I talk about that, let me know, Because if we go, let's go in our era, because the reputation one I've got to say about that one. 

0:11:50 - Speaker 2
Let's go, let's go, let's go See. First thing, first thing I have to say about this whole thing. The movie starts and see, I'm an Arsenal fan. So I have to say this Stan Cronkey, sofi Stadium is so fine. Oh my it's, oh my God, what a stadium, what a stadium. I just. I looked at it and the first thing I thought was the damn Arsenal. We are good, bro, the money is coming in forever and ever. What a stadium. And then, okay, now you can. Now you can begin. 

0:12:16 - Speaker 1
Now, now you can begin like, wow, love the era that. When she did I was like where are we going to sing Cruel Summer? I was like, let me wait. And it was the second song. How was that? 

0:12:29 - Speaker 2
No, I won't lie to you. I won't lie to you, I'm so glad she done it. Second, because I think, because it's the way she introduces the set list. It's almost like I feel like if she started it, because someone's saying, if she done it in chronological order, we would have slept between like folklore and evermore. But then she starts like upbeat, so you're like okay, okay, we're in here, all right, all right. Okay, what? What are we doing? Tell us what's going on here. And I'm like what's going on? Are we? Are we? Are we doing this for real, for real? Like, are you really going to perform every era? Okay, fine, let's roll. 

0:12:59 - Speaker 1
No, because literally like when she did Cruel Summer, when she did the man, they were in suits. Everyone is sitting everyone. She was doing the hot skrub. Okay, take choreo. So okay, this is a good use of stage. Everyone was doing their own little thing. Like I was surprised because I've purposely avoided watching videos of this talk because I'm seeing her next year, so I've I'm trying to do what I didn't do with, you know, saying Colpland, the gigs I saw this year, but I kept watching all their videos and I was like I can't watch all the tour videos. And then when I went, I was still so excited Actually I'm telling you I'd be on stage, I screamed, but I was excited. But then you know what's going to happen. 

I wanted to go in whole. I don't know what's happening. 

0:13:45 - Speaker 2
The maddest thing is was I just feel like the production like from minute jump. You're looking and you're thinking whoever is filming this? Your budget is a budget Like it was crystal clear. 

0:13:57 - Speaker 1
Okay, I saw sweat. 

0:13:59 - Speaker 2
I that's what I was about to say Like you could see it proper, like everything was there, like I was almost like thinking am I in the? That's what I was like. First thing I seen is like the stadium is amazing, the production is amazing, the dressing, everything. I was like whoever has this camera, I need it. Like I want it tomorrow, use this to film my, my sports games. I need to see this camera all the time. Insane that's like the first thing that popped in my mind before she even sang anything. I was like production on point. 

0:14:26 - Speaker 1
Yeah, because I loved how she started to love it here. I think that's a good area to start. Actually, I'm really happy she started. She starts off the tour like that, because I think it's a good way to introduce the tour. I think she went straight into her old stuff. I'm like, let me, let me let me go to the emotion to exactly, exactly. 

0:14:45 - Speaker 2
I think she, she warms you into it. 

0:14:47 - Speaker 1
She warms you into it. As long as you love cross summer, you need to calm down. Yeah, that's cool, let me calm down a little bit, like. Let me, let me build me up a little bit. So I love how she start with. Then, after love with era, I was like I was like I haven't seen the tour, so I don't know what's going on. I've avoided everything. I'm seeing feelings. I put my head in my hands. 

I said God's, this is where you're gonna get me, because I said I was 11, I think, when this album came out 11 or 12, I remember buying it, I remember rinsing it and I took about the way me and finish both together. He got me free. I. 

0:15:34 - Speaker 2
Like the minute you just hear I'm not gonna sing. I said I'm not gonna sing. 

I'm gonna be composed Cuz, bear mind, I was like the old, probably was the only boy in my Cinema. So I was like you know what, I'm gonna act? I'm gonna flex, no singing first. Oh yeah, I'm like, hey, what am I doing? Why is my head moving? Hold yourself, put yourself together. Class, have some class. Before you know it, some guy my cinema got his phone out with the lights on go. So I'm moving the thing. The girl moving the thing. I'm like another girl is also moving. I'm like you know what? Come on guys. 

0:16:25 - Speaker 1
No, because that's so takes, takes you somewhere. And then she did love story afterwards. Yes, do you know, I managed to shut my mouth through most of them when the first love. It was one love era when I managed to Shut my mouth. I didn't sing. I'm so relieved. Then, oh my god, then I've heard fearless. I heard the first drums of fearless. I thought, oh okay, I'm gonna start singing In my best dress, fearless, yes, I am. Then she did love story. I was singing, mean, the guy next to me just started singing. I literally said we got you up when we're not gonna be cool anymore. Let's just see. 

That's my favorite Taylor Swift era, even though obviously it coincided with what Kanye did and the whole thing that happened. But 100%. 

0:17:11 - Speaker 2
When you, when you deep what he actually did. He was very real, continued after that. 

0:17:16 - Speaker 1
But it's my favorite era of hers because she was just like she just became mainstream at that point. Mm-hmm love story was Everywhere in the UK. This channel, if you go, and pop girl Don't, love story video was there. If you got this channel, love story video was there. If you go on the top 10 music videos Countdown, when the music channels love stories number one you belong to me was on the one like shoes. 

I know, Mainstream and I remember thinking myself over complaining, thinking, oh, she's not gonna be my thing anymore, it's just gonna be everyone's thing, I'll subsep I. 

0:17:50 - Speaker 2
Said it's, it's so insane. She had a man like me shouting Romeo, save me, imagine. I was out here in this in the cinema shouting room. 

0:18:00 - Speaker 1
Use it, romeo, save me or Romeo take me to a place I was just I needed to have shame. 

0:18:05 - Speaker 2
I needed to have shame. But it went out to the window like, literally the person next to me was looking at me like is this you? I was like, just just, let's just act like. This is a moment that will never happen again, you know. Just delete your memory. 

0:18:20 - Speaker 1
Then she went straight Into the heart and did evermore. Let me talk about tolerated. Yeah, that's a song, that's a song. Now, that woman, yeah, when the so whenever more came out very much, yeah, my head was still a bit from From folklore, folklore when it came out Blank to me because I was like I didn't think she would ever go back to that Thing again. 

Yeah, yeah that's was her thing maybe 10 years ago. She pre read, that was what she was doing. So I was like I've just recovered from folklore and you've decided let's put you through again. Let's let's take you there and the way she performs, tolerate it. 

0:19:15 - Speaker 2
See, see, I have a controversial, evermore opinion. 

0:19:18 - Speaker 1
Oh, you're gonna hate me, you're gonna hate me, here we go. 

0:19:21 - Speaker 2
Yeah, I'm gonna get deleted off this podcast today. Oh is it. I See my theory is folklore is so good because, remember, I think evermore drop during the pandemic, right. 

0:19:31 - Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. 

0:19:32 - Speaker 2
Yeah, folklore is such a good up, I think for me is my favorite album of us I look at evermore as, like all the folklore, throwaways. 

0:19:42 - Speaker 1
That's exactly. See, that's not unpopular. I Feel this way about evermore. There are three songs that evermore, that I'm like. Okay, this is, this is your, this is your piece de ressistance, this is your exactly finest work, champagne problems boom. Nobody know crime. Tolerate it or Coney Island. Coney Island gets in there. 

0:20:04 - Speaker 2
Okay, okay Now. Now we're talking. Now I'm. 

0:20:07 - Speaker 1
Coney Island and Tolerate it what I had tolerated my head for the first time when I see what were all you girls going through when she dropped Tolerated? I don't know, you know we need to have a what's up group. 

0:20:19 - Speaker 2
Confess, because the way you're sounding is like the person was sat next to everybody in the cinema. I was looking, all of them was like what was happening Did you know something? 

0:20:29 - Speaker 1
That song didn't come out until I remember listen to. So I love that song. 

0:20:33 - Speaker 2
And then I got, you See I was good. 

0:20:38 - Speaker 1
At that point I remember I broke up with my ex and then that was the first song I played. That's exactly how I felt. I was like. I Thought how she felt. Let me put there and listen to you. I can't explain it. It hits harder when you've been in that situation. I wonder. When she signed up You're mean the girl was singing. I wanted to. 

0:21:07 - Speaker 2
Is the moral of the story don't fall in love in the pandemic. 

0:21:10 - Speaker 1
No, that's not my moral destroyer. I think, do you know what? I think this thing, the song is so cathartic because she nails that feeling so well, because I think people have written, written about, like I think you weren't saying and I think, no, did a really good song, nailing that feeling very, very well, like there's. Sometimes you can get a feeling and the song just gets it, like Adele did it really well, like she's the queen, she's the queen of that, of that, that feeling where you're feeling you're being tolerated. 

I doubt that's her back. You know I mean. 

0:21:43 - Speaker 2
That's her back. I'm finished. 

0:21:44 - Speaker 1
There's. There's something about when you're listening to us and the way she writes. It Is so detailed and, you know, could be exactly to anyone's personal experience. 

0:21:54 - Speaker 2
Do you know what I think? I I don't even think if Taylor Swift was a rapper, she'd be a good rapper. 

0:21:59 - Speaker 1
She'd be any sane rapper. I'm sorry, she's the queen of subs. 

0:22:03 - Speaker 2
She knows how to give subliminals man Like you be sad. They're thinking is it this man or that man, or this man or that? 

0:22:09 - Speaker 1
man, you know what I've come to the conclusion Because I think some of the songs they are stories. I think Betty is an example of one, but that song, if she comes out me off and says it was about Joe, as in the one she just broke up with, like a few months ago, then I black because there was something about that song. 

0:22:35 - Speaker 2
Travis, can't see whether you are. I cover you in the blood. Because they're about to use you for content. Oh my god, I said they're about to use you for content. 

0:22:47 - Speaker 1
He has to break up with her in the way that Harry Styles did, because he hasn't got a hit. He hasn't got hit song against him, or the songs are even styled. We listen to it. It's really nice out of the woods. It's really nice, I know 1989, which is mainly about him. It's actually quite nice. He actually doesn't get slanted, so so even if she she calls him out for being a bad driver, but she said, she said he crashed the car. 

0:23:20 - Speaker 2
I said my guy gonna do your good, redo your driving test. 

0:23:24 - Speaker 1
What now? But he needs to do, whether he Harry Styles, he needs to call him. 

0:23:28 - Speaker 2
For him, he's busy with Taylor Russell on him, and ask how did you break up another segue? 

0:23:37 - Speaker 1
because how did you break up this girl? Because she will go into the Travis coast and why I think that things gonna end up in, but evermore we that let's go. Reputation. Okay, this was the best performed era. On the whole show. I was there. No one. 

0:23:58 - Speaker 2
Something is flat, no, no it's not why I love the most was like when you say every era, because normally people do like this, like I think I've seen some Chris Brown videos of him trying to do like 2005, in 2007, in 2009 and the like, the themes in this concert all the way to the call of the mic. You see reputation where the mic has like a little snake around. 

0:24:21 - Speaker 1
He's all around the stage and and how? 

0:24:24 - Speaker 2
I was like okay, okay Outfits, different outfits for different eras. I'm like over. And the way she was like the whole stuff I remember, like reputation is about how, like everyone is saying, I was like oh, you're this person, you're this, you know, you're this, be basically. And she's like okay, fine, if the world thinks I'm bad, I'm gonna like own it and I'm going to be bad. 

I'm like you could even tell like her demeanor in the way she performed. It was almost like for that era. It was I'm bad and so like what you're gonna you nailed it. 

0:24:54 - Speaker 1
She is as if that she went back to herself at that period of time in her life I'm exactly when she did ready for it, oh. 

0:25:06 - Speaker 2
Honestly I was like, okay, yeah, even the way she was strutting there's a, there's a, there's a clip of her like strutting down the thing. I'm thinking yo like you have a. 

0:25:23 - Speaker 1
And they was basing her voice when she was singing, I know, but when she went see, I was there and then she did it could delicate one of my first songs on the album. What about her period period? What about her when she knew last? You must love me for me I said she was really down bad when she met Joe. But when she did look what you mainly do I was transported to whether she was, whether she was. 

0:25:50 - Speaker 2
You know it felt like. It felt like the mic in her hand for that particular performance. It was like the mic in the hand was a weapon. Honestly, like it. Like you come too close, I will slash you with this mic. I was like whoa, which is like a theme throughout, like for me the whole concert with how, like she took every era so serious down to, like the way she carried herself for each song. Like she doesn't sing the 1989 era the same way she sings the reputation era, same way she sings to speak now. 

0:26:17 - Speaker 1
She goes into that, she goes into the mindset of what she was like in that specific period of time of our life, which I love. She differentiated Everything, like a cozy vibes and fearless and like her teenage self. And then in reputation she was scorned and like she was like ready cuz when we go into the era after this one. 

0:26:39 - Speaker 2
Oh my god, let's hear it, let's hear it, let's hear it speak now. 

0:26:43 - Speaker 1
She is forever my enemy for this. Why did the only song you perform there was enchanted. Why was that necessary? 

0:26:49 - Speaker 2
Another controversial opinion. You're gonna hate me for this. Let's keep it real. Apart from the OG, og Swifties, no one gives a damn about sweet now. 

0:26:57 - Speaker 1
No, because Sparks spits, sparks fly. What happens to sparks fly? Why can't we sing sparks fly? Why couldn't you back to December? Because, no, no, no, no, no, no. Some of her best written words on that album. So you know you've chosen you've chose to sound the song about the man from our city. What happens to back to December? Ex-boyfriend is doing backflips in the cinema. Tell it all now and you read that song about him. It's the one song you've blamed yourself as the reason for the breakup. What's the man? I hear it. 

0:27:29 - Speaker 2
Why was her? That's not. That's not what we're trying to do here. We're not trying to run it. 

0:27:33 - Speaker 1
If you're gonna pick, speak now. Can we pick last kids? Can we pick? Sparks fly. I only feel the sparks fly. Why are we picking enchanted? 

0:27:43 - Speaker 2
I would say, I would say her dress, her dress in that particular era was was cold, the purple was. It was a purple, I think was purple yeah, I was. 

0:27:53 - Speaker 1
I was. When she's finished spot enchanted. Okay, where's box fly? 

0:28:00 - Speaker 2
I literally told the person next to me. I was like no disrespect, no one cares about this era. So one song next. 

0:28:05 - Speaker 1
So no, that's my favorite hours upset for coming up. You can't you add sparks fly. Can you add mine? Mine was a global hits. I Remember mine. I was the district love that song. 

0:28:19 - Speaker 2
I didn't live in the same world. You were living it. 

0:28:30 - Speaker 1
I was singing a song, but the era that comes after that one is where the, where real shit kicks in let's go. 

0:28:39 - Speaker 2
Let's go. 

0:28:39 - Speaker 1
It's annual trouble. I've got controversial opinion when she rerecorded when she recorded red. I Need her to redo. I knew a trouble. She needs to redo that one for me. She needs to go back to the studio and redo it. 

What she gave to what she gave to me in that we recorded of annual trouble, not the live performance we saw in the movie. That rerecording in a Taylor's version. She needs to go back to the drawing board with that one. What happened to the beam? She's sitting down. She is as if she sat down and she was singing. That's what he lean does no, because in every other Recording she goes back into that. We talked about it in the show You're gonna come she goes back into that this song. 

Yeah, you want to be pissed. 

0:29:29 - Speaker 2
She's not, it's no. You call that. That's a, that's a healed queen. She's. 

0:29:33 - Speaker 1
To unheal herself for those three minutes. I'm not gonna lie to you. I listen to the school program version of that one. I still only what I do it for as I'm listening to that one. I'm so sorry, but you need to re-record that one because I'm listening to that Taylor version of that one. I'm sorry, I'll hold my hands up. I'm a bad fan because the way that no Vib. 

0:30:01 - Speaker 2
Was it? Wasn't that the error where she gave and Kobe Brands daughter the hat? I think that was that 22. 

0:30:08 - Speaker 1
So, yeah, yeah, she gave it to her. She gave it. Oh my god. 

0:30:11 - Speaker 2
I was. I was. That was so cute because I seen that on Instagram and I was thinking with that. Would that make the the movie? And when it, when it does, I'm just like oh my god. 

I'm so sweet all of us mamba lovers out there. Hashtag mamba mentality. You know the vibes All of us mamba lovers out there. It was so sweet because you also think like for that girl. That is not only like a moment that you've had, but like now we saw, like on video, forever Like you always have that, yeah, plus Kobe's oldest daughter. 

0:30:40 - Speaker 1
In fact, she loves Taylor Swift exactly, I remember she posted in scum when she went to see it, like she saw her, like when she was a kid and she's loved ever since, even now. So that was such a sweet. I think it was really nice to see it. But seeing that era perform on your trouble, I actually put on a Vib. That was that. Oh, that's Capable. 

0:31:00 - Speaker 2
Because it reminded me of like you see, the whole hat and like baggy tea. 

0:31:03 - Speaker 1
Because I remember, like a lot of people, Used to wear that, so her and that hat were bonding but baggy tea hat she had like this. She had the little like on brogues with the heel. 

0:31:16 - Speaker 2
Oh, you know it, you know it, you know it, like, how, like you look like yourself again. 

0:31:22 - Speaker 1
She got you with the massive, because I remember that point. When she released red, she Was dating Harry and I remember the coming misconstruction was that that song was about him. Yeah, it was about John Mayer, because I think she read that suck about. 

0:31:39 - Speaker 2
Yeah, it's definitely John. 

0:31:40 - Speaker 1
Mayer, john Mayer, but we're let's go into all too well that song. I'm gonna be completely honest. This is an awful controversial opinion. I don't think we needed the extra verses. And all too well, I think the five minute version is good enough perfect. 

0:31:59 - Speaker 2
You find him already. 

0:32:01 - Speaker 1
I'm not mad about the ten minute version because I do love singing it, but I think you get more of a. You can feel more of her anger In the ten minute verse. The five minute one is pure heartbreak. It's confusion in this heartbreak Because you wanted something to work and he didn't work. And then you're wondering like why is he treating you like this when you didn't treat you as before? The ten minute one, your feeling anger. I'm blaming him yeah, she's flaming him, and then it goes to resignation, like I. 

0:32:35 - Speaker 2
Can't do it anywhere. I was gonna mind anyway. What's the point? 

0:32:38 - Speaker 1
you're never meant for me, because that's doing something like ten minute version, cuz you can. Even when she was performing it, you could feel. 

0:32:45 - Speaker 2
But this, this was the song that made me know like Taylor Swift fans. Like you see, when people talk about the hive Swifties are real, bro. Like see, the hive navy 50s are real. You had like people in this cinema singing a ten minute song. Word for. 

0:33:01 - Speaker 1
I was out of the song this song is. 

0:33:03 - Speaker 2
The song is about Jake Gyllenhaal, right. It's very, very good you could have put a post of Jake Gyllenhaal in my. All the girls in the cinema would have thrown a doubt at him. I was like I had to listen. 

0:33:15 - Speaker 1
I was like Boy it's a nice guy, it's a very, very damning breakup song, like, do you know what? The only time I felt like this was um, harry Styles wrote a song on Fine line and he and he basically berates himself For it. He's in, so he's basically saying like he's basically costing himself and it's the same thing. I feel like, because it's the same thing. I feel like, wow, like you, because obviously, when Harry did, I thought wow, you're that bad of a person. 

0:33:50 - Speaker 2
You know the mad things I always think, like in these kind of songs. If you're the ex, you're sat there. Taylor Swift dropped a new song I'm gonna get on my Spotify, apple music. Let's hear it. Did she flame me? Okay, phew. She didn't flame me on this song. She didn't flame me on that song Okay, I think I survived. Oh, oh, 10 minutes. Ah, shoot the thing I did. You just hearing that? 

0:34:10 - Speaker 1
I knew he was shitting himself when she was gonna read all right, because that album was Damning, because I think all two wells might be the only ones. Stay, stay, stay, come back, be here. Like if you go through the songs that she really wrote about him, like it's really damning. It's very damning, like all two worlds, probably one of the most damning songs I've heard about someone. 

0:34:35 - Speaker 2
But it's like it's, it's, it's the if we took ex songs about exes as distracts. It's like a ether, like it's, it's so bad it's so. 

0:34:43 - Speaker 1
It's so because it's so long, is so detailed, like she said I get lyrics, I get older, your girlfriends get younger, you go for the same age. 

0:34:56 - Speaker 2
He's gonna suffer from she's. She's accusing him of Leo the caprio syndrome. Didn't him damn. 

0:35:02 - Speaker 1
Like it's actually such and you know what. And what was so nice about seeing the 10 minute version live, I think, was seeing everyone sing it, because obviously, what is the fans favorite song? This 10-minute version of it. But it was the fact that I Was really nice watching her sing it in the place that she's in now. I cannot imagine being 21, 22 and you've had your worst and 22 in your heart broken. 

0:35:31 - Speaker 2
That's a very good point. 

0:35:32 - Speaker 1
It's a great break here it's those are your stomachs. You know You're something because I cannot explain to you what I'll break. It was like it was at the was gonna collapse in you. If the rapture happened you would have welcomed it, that's how I did ask Rickies. 

0:35:45 - Speaker 2
I did ask the person the cinema. I said do you think a part of her regrets like being known for like? Because obviously we will go to like the? I think it's the midnight error, I think a part of me asked like. I asked my friend. I was like, do you think a part of her regrets like being known for making songs about her exes? Because that song in particular, like just think about you being the guy that's gonna date her next and worrying about I have to be on my peace and cues, because you know if I'm not, ten minutes of Flaming are gonna come on me or something like that figure. I mean like. 

0:36:16 - Speaker 1
I don't think she regrets it, because, of course, when we're singing this, caveat that you could have been written about but, I, think she it's. It's worth it, for I can imagine that when she gets people come up to and say what you write Helped me with that thing and that probably means more than anything. And if a guy is real, and all the guys Shouldn't be afraid about that anyway. They wouldn't be afraid about it. She stayed of a songwriters. She's dated. 

0:36:48 - Speaker 2
She's. 

0:36:49 - Speaker 1
I mean. 

0:36:52 - Speaker 2
Everything about if we want musicians to be honest about the experiences. 

0:36:55 - Speaker 1
Like she's just speaking the truth, so she's just speaking the truth and as much as people feel uncomfortable, you Hold that because, I'm sorry, some of, I think, my favorite work of hers that's why I know the album about that man's Joe is gonna be something serious, because I feel like our best work comes from when she's Place of heartbreak or when she's in. It is even a place of pure euphoria, like she's in a place of when she's in love. In love, because some of my favorite love songs are when she's with Joe, like I love gorgeous, I love delicate. 

0:37:36 - Speaker 2
Oh, that's a good song. I love that song. 

0:37:39 - Speaker 1
Yeah, some of the songs she wrote, she writes about him are lovely. The songs she writes with him on folklore are lovely. 

0:37:48 - Speaker 2
Do you not worry, as a Swifty though, that she's what I think she's 33? Do you think there will come a point where people are gonna be like similar to what I think Drake just had with his last album, even though it's a different topic where people are gonna be like, okay, you're pushing forward to your some point, and which is fair. In her midnight album she does say, look, I'm the problem at some point, but like, do you not think that there will come a point where we're gonna be like, okay enough about the men in your life and how the relationships have been? What else is happening, like you know, from like a family building perspective, other things in your career. 

0:38:20 - Speaker 1
I think she has songs about that, but those are the songs that go viral. 

0:38:23 - Speaker 2
Go viral. That's a good point. 

0:38:26 - Speaker 1
The man is about, like she's wrote by H Prince with Mr Braun. She's wrote about friendships ending. 

0:38:32 - Speaker 2
We don't call him. We don't call him, we just sleep his name out. That man she wrote about Justin Bieber's friend. 

0:38:39 - Speaker 1
Yeah she talked about. Oh, he's his friend anymore. I think he's dropping him. But I think even the song she wrote about Emma Stone, she wrote the song about Emma Stone on was it on? Fearless and Fearless, let's speak now, like she even on Evermore, she didn't write about herself Mainly, she just made up stories in her head and these are the songs that she was writing. So I think Taylor Swift will always have room for that, because you're always gonna have conversations about love. Your love life is always gonna be, ever growing, so there's always gonna be that. Drake's problem is that. 

Drake doesn't know. We know about all these girls who have treated you badly, but what about your son? Because he's got a son? What about your like? What are you talking about yourself, like you've done any introspection about yourself? 

0:39:28 - Speaker 2
True, true. If he made a song which went it's me, I, I'm the problem, it's me. 

0:39:35 - Speaker 1
Me. Yeah, because I think if Drake is as talented as he was, as he was, is, is? 

0:39:44 - Speaker 2
is guys, drake stands and fighting for you people? Is he still is? 

0:39:48 - Speaker 1
I don't think he's had a good project since In a long time actually. 

0:39:55 - Speaker 2
She's been silent for a while. 

0:39:56 - Speaker 1
It's 2018, 2017, 2018 Scorpion. Scorpion has After Dark, so I would say that he's not an album as good as then and I don't think that album was eclectic. I think the album before it, more life, was probably his last album that I proper like. I love Top start to finish. 

Because he's he's. This is the same man as capable of doing a jaded and producing the mid that he's doing now. Do you know what I mean? Or, like we've heard, like, do you know what I mean? I think it's you. Drake is like Taylor took, takes breaks. I think she. I think between the, the break between reputation and 1989 was a while, was three years. 

0:40:34 - Speaker 2
Yeah, even, even I think what, what? What was after 1989? 

0:40:41 - Speaker 1
Was. 

0:40:41 - Speaker 2
It was a two year break, then she did lover, then after lover, she did folklore and that was. That was a break. Yeah, that's a good point. 

0:40:50 - Speaker 1
So, like he needs to, and the thing is there's there's people who, like Rihanna, released an album every year, but all those albums slapped, every album in that period. 

0:41:04 - Speaker 2
Damn. Look at me. This is my life man. I'm here doing Taylor Swift PR and Drake slander. My God, my reputation is ruined. Oh God, If you ever get to listen to this, I'm not part of them. I'm not a monk. 

0:41:19 - Speaker 1
How are you kidding it for me? 

0:41:21 - Speaker 2
I'm not a monk. I want to send the free birkin, so I can you know, invest please. Thank you, but yeah, I think. What was? What was the error after? I think it was the error after folklore. 

0:41:34 - Speaker 1
I loved, I loved, loved the fact that she added Augustiness. I wish, I wish she kept Betty out, but it was not necessary. 

0:41:46 - Speaker 2
Don't do that. 

0:41:47 - Speaker 1
I'm sorry, I don't know, don't do that. 

0:41:48 - Speaker 2
This is this is this is where we don't agree. Don't do that. Betty is a banger. 

0:41:52 - Speaker 1
I wish she added Mirable. I wish she added Cardigan or Invisible String. 

0:41:57 - Speaker 2
Invisible String for me is a it's a crime. That's the only thing I would say on this whole performance. It's a crime, invisible String. Invisible String is in my top 10 best songs of all time. That song is so well written I can't believe she didn't add it in there. 

0:42:12 - Speaker 1
That's how I feel about Cardigan, because I was sitting there. I'm like you have so many songs on folklore. 

0:42:18 - Speaker 2
Yeah. 

0:42:18 - Speaker 1
And you thought Cardigan and Invisible String weren't two songs you can put there. 

0:42:23 - Speaker 2
I think they could have taken some songs off the midnight. You could have taken some songs out and put those two songs in there. 

0:42:28 - Speaker 1
I was fuming I want to take Cardigan so bad. I was like are you mad? Has no one told you you're crazy Because someone's told you you're. 

0:42:37 - Speaker 2
Do you know? Another thing I thought was mad as well was, like I know, like we'll probably end up like speaking more on this Did you not notice that in every one of her dancers and backup vocalists there was an insane like diversity of like representation? Like I'm talking color size, hairstyle, like I was starting to send my thing in. 

0:42:56 - Speaker 1
Yeah, one of them had Vertiligo. Yeah, I know it's not. 

0:42:59 - Speaker 2
Yeah, like it was mad, Like it was very intentional with how like there was clearly a person for every Like, not every group per se, but like you could tell there was some intention to like represent as many groups as possible, which obviously has to be big up, especially in this like time and age when most people don't even think about stuff like that. I have to commend that for like thinking in that direction. 

0:43:23 - Speaker 1
Yeah, it was actually right. I think we really saw it in when she performed the last Great American Dynasty. I think that was very well done, but here after that was 1989. This is where she kicks me, girl. Why did we not see Wildest Dreams? 

0:43:41 - Speaker 2
Oh my God, that's a great. That was sad. 

0:43:43 - Speaker 1
How that was like first Wildest Dreams. I was like I'm loving it. Actually she didn't even fully perform style. She did the first, first chorus and then bridge. I thought no no, no no, no, no, no, no. Let's do the second verse Like. This is a pop like. Let me talk about style. Style is one of the best pop songs to come out in the last 10, 15 years. That's pop perfection. If I'm showing someone the perfect pop song, that's the perfect pop song. 

0:44:10 - Speaker 2
Super fact. 

0:44:10 - Speaker 1
Whatever she did in our studio for that song. 

0:44:14 - Speaker 2
Big up, harry Styles, for Breaking the. 

0:44:15 - Speaker 1
Heart. I need more people. The only person that doesn't need to listen to, doesn't need to listen to this advice is Dua Lipa. That's my sister. You don't need to listen to it. Future of the Style Jar was slapping. You do what you do, sis, but style, style, style. People wish they had their repertoire. People wish. 

0:44:35 - Speaker 2
Like even the way my friend was saying it, the way she even walks during the performance Is similar to the sound in the background. Even if you've never heard Harry Styles make music before, you listen to that and think something is fishy here. You know, something is fishy here. 

0:44:49 - Speaker 1
This is why I'm so angry at her that she's not done like she's not for the re-record of 1989 which is coming out soon, guys, that she's not done a song with. 

0:45:05 - Speaker 2
Harry, it would work. It would work His house, her writing, his writing, their vibes, the thing is Mike. 

0:45:12 - Speaker 1
One of my favorite songs he's written was about her. It was Two Ghosts on his debut album. That was such a lovely song that he wrote about her, Like what can't it? What's wrong with you? 

0:45:22 - Speaker 2
You're like subbing each other, just get on a track. You two are friends. This each other on the track, back and forth. We're friends. Now Make it happen. 

0:45:30 - Speaker 1
Like make it happen. Like the only time given her excuse is she decides to write with him later. And then fair, and obviously Harry doesn't do features of anyone. So if that's the case, then fair, like he's writing a song with him, like, even if he re-writes this one together and she's singing, fair. But you're like, you know, something of the songs in the album were about you, were about him. 

0:45:51 - Speaker 2
Exactly. 

0:45:52 - Speaker 1
And I'm sorry, whatever he did to her to inspire style. I thank you for your service, harry. 

0:45:57 - Speaker 2
Styles. Someone else should do it again. Travis Scott's song Someone should do it again. Travis Scott's song. 

0:46:02 - Speaker 1
That song catapults. It takes me places. I heard the D. You don't think that threw me off in that era. 

0:46:12 - Speaker 2
You don't want to throw me off in that era. Maybe I'm the only one who thought this. She does the performance in LA. She performs bad blood. Who is the feature on bad blood? Kendrick Lamar. 

0:46:22 - Speaker 1
Kendrick Lamar. 

0:46:24 - Speaker 2
Where does Kendrick Lamar live? La, los Angeles. Why Taylor Swift? Why Kendrick Lamar? 

0:46:32 - Speaker 1
so fine arena, everybody's screaming you just squeeze him out that song is actually so good, kendrick, just you know a little one verse a hug and then you're off the stage. 

0:46:47 - Speaker 2
It would have slapped her. No, no, and it means a progress. 

0:46:51 - Speaker 1
And it means a progress. I'm telling you because, no, so, like honestly, like sometimes I was sitting there and I was like so you're not doing that, kendrick Lamar, so you're not treating this in this era, because 1989 is one of my favorite pop albums. 

0:47:05 - Speaker 2
I think it's the album that made me well that in folklore. I think I've always had the controversial opinion that Taylor Swift has three classics in three different genres. You have Fearless, which for me is a country pop album if we're being real. You have 1989, which is a pop album. And then you have Folklore, which is that alternative ish, and I think when she did 1989 it was almost like, whatever you guys are, the kind of music you're making, that charts. 

0:47:33 - Speaker 1
I can make that kind of music and even better Because, like Honestly like even if I really wish she did um or you have to do a stay. How you get the girl Like? There's so many songs she could do that New Romantics Me and my best friend love that song oh my god, that song is such a banger oh. Oh, it's like if she performed that song, I would have been stood up in that cinema. 

0:47:57 - Speaker 2
I would have been singing. You're speaking for yourself. You had to. 

0:48:03 - Speaker 1
I would have been standing there, I would have been singing. I wouldn't care who could shoot me, I would have been singing Because that album actually deepened it. When I came to see my song 1989 has not one skip on it, I was actually looking because I've always thought this, but when I was probably deeping it, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, she's got no, skip on that album. 

0:48:22 - Speaker 2
Nothing. The way the album even starts. Hold on, I'm even gonna, I'm gonna even find the first song on the album. The way that album even starts, like no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 

0:48:34 - Speaker 1
I love even going through the track list because the track link is crazy. Let's even go for the deluxe. Let's do the deluxe. 

0:48:40 - Speaker 2
Welcome to New York as your first song. Welcome to New. 

0:48:44 - Speaker 1
York. 

0:48:46 - Speaker 2
And then we're blank space blank space right after blank space style style out of the woods. All you had to do was stay, shake it off. I wish you would. 

0:48:57 - Speaker 1
Bad blood, wildest dreams, how you get the girl this I know, places. This is the one. This is the one that she really got me. Why are you not performing at no places? It's not even clean. So I know places that no places. We can hide as well. Why are you hiding the song? 

0:49:22 - Speaker 2
No different Like that album is. It's like I'm just looking at even the order of it, like what a run new romantics as the last song, as the last song Wonderland, Wonderland is insane you are in love. 

0:49:37 - Speaker 1
No, she's actually insane, she's categorically insane. 

0:49:41 - Speaker 2
Yeah, I was thinking I wasn't a big Swifty, my God. 

0:49:43 - Speaker 1
No, it's actually, I'm sorry, like we had to, I mean, and we all need, we're going to go crazy for her 1989 because that's one of her best years. 

0:49:49 - Speaker 2
That album is different. 

0:49:50 - Speaker 1
That album is different, but the surprise songs she performed my favorite song as a surprise song. I'll song the way I was back to my 10 year olds. So sing it, I was singing, I was singing. I missed that Taylor Swift so much. You know it sounded really country and really southern, I missed that so much Go on. 

0:50:16 - Speaker 2
That was that was. It was during the special songs bit. That. That's when the sleep started to hit me a little bit, because I think it's almost like two hours into like the show by that time. 

0:50:25 - Speaker 1
It's nearly five. Yeah, yeah, it's well into two hours. 

0:50:27 - Speaker 2
I go into like the 9pm viewing. My snacks had finished, I had sung all my songs, I was in a good groove and all of a sudden I'm like I love one eye closing here and another eye closing there. I'm like, okay, come on, wake up, wake up, you can do it. You can do it. 

0:50:42 - Speaker 1
Because the way I miss the summer that since she's to have. 

0:50:50 - Speaker 2
That's a very good point. Actually, she's actually changed. Even her style has changed so much. She used to dress like everything was, like some you know their movies about, like old Britain and like the women and like old England, very like you, you majesty, like Bridget in vibes. 

0:51:09 - Speaker 1
Yeah. 

0:51:09 - Speaker 2
Bridget in vibes and now she's like you know, Like you know she's. She's grown up. Let's spread out. She's evolved, her style is involved massively. 

0:51:18 - Speaker 1
Then obviously, she did your own, your own kids, which is an amazing, amazing song. But let's let's get into the midnight's era, because for me, this is where I've got controversial opinions. She could have cut this era as. 

0:51:32 - Speaker 2
As a like short, so she didn't need. She didn't need that many songs from there, I think she. 

0:51:36 - Speaker 1
She should have just done vigilante shit. Antihero, loving the haze and bejeweled. I Don't think you're ending in anti-hero. 

0:51:45 - Speaker 2
She should have ended antihero person. 

0:51:47 - Speaker 1
Yeah, I think, I think, I think I think, I think, I think, I think she has to be performed because I love the way she performs that song. I think loving the haze obviously has to be performed by. The rest could be cut. 

0:51:59 - Speaker 2
Oh yeah, there is for me. When she performed antihero, I was sat there thinking this is like because from I personally think antihero is one of the best songs, and I think Adele did the same thing in 30, where when you're somebody who's made music about heartbreak and people who've broken your heart, there's always like a point where you must think if everybody's the problem, maybe I'm the problem and I love how that song exists on her, like her resume now, where there's some sort of self-reflection and some, like you know, I am the problem, part of it is me, and I thought that would have been such a good way to end it. But like, at the same time, I can understand like the whole vibe of like the last song and all that stuff. But it's such a good song because when everybody in the cinema was thinking it, I was like even me, I was like it's me. 

0:52:43 - Speaker 1
I. 

0:52:45 - Speaker 2
The problem is me, Actually. She ended it. 

0:52:48 - Speaker 1
She should have ended it with that song. I think 100% it would have made so much more sense because I think honestly, like I, I just think the Midnight's era it's not my favorite album from her. I think it was over. I Think it was overkill to give us Fault, claw and evermore, which are really good, and then give us midnight as well. She could have kept midnight. Even if I think midnight's gave me lavender haze and antihero and vigilante shit. 

0:53:18 - Speaker 2
So do you think that's why she's done this whole era store, because if the album was so strong on its own, she would have just done a midnight store. 

0:53:26 - Speaker 1
Do you know? I believe her when she said in the tour and she said in the movie that she would have to, there would be five Albums. You need to talk true. I do believe that. She said that. I do believe and she said you know what, I may as well just do all my songs Mm-hmm, and just do it that way. So then it's fairer. So then obviously, show she can go to different countries that haven't got to see her often and can sing all the old songs I agreed as well, but I've I fished. 

She can cut them in that area and put more of her older songs in place definitely. 

0:53:56 - Speaker 2
All you speak now. Lovers who she? 

0:53:59 - Speaker 1
could have. She could add more to 1989. 

0:54:04 - Speaker 2
I am all for like 1989, more folk or more, and you have like an amazing show. I also do think it's so good that like she's done this movie, though, cuz like, have you seen the price of tickets? I know someone who's selling VIP tickets for eight K. 

0:54:21 - Speaker 1
See the thing, is this one happy? She did it because I'm happy that people are starting to do more like we need to get back into concert movies Like general one direct, remember one one direction did theirs and then like Justin Bieber did his and Jeremy back in the day and I missed that because I think there's a lot of people who'd want to see it live and won't get the chance to, especially people in the States who never got the opportunity to see it live in the vibe of the cinema when everybody's singing along as well. 

0:54:47 - Speaker 2
Like you get like. Obviously you can't replicate the whole her performing and the music in your head and don't like all that stuff, exactly like the community. And I said, mike's cinema you had, I'm not even playing. 

0:55:02 - Speaker 1
It's the same because I went to see one direction on there where we are to. Hours Is 7, 13th. I saw them that and they did the concert movie, I think for that tour for the top of right. But I went see him on the tour. They did the movie, for it was the same vibe. The way I thought when I saw them was the same way I felt watching him in the cinema. They replicated it very well. So I think Taylor did a really good job. 

I think, she made it so the film, in a way that you felt like you were there. True and it felt like an experience and I'm happy she told everyone just pretend during the concert sing, if you want to sing, sing. 

0:55:38 - Speaker 2
Vibe and and why? Like was in every part of the show you had like glimpses of like fans going through it. So you were like, okay, I'm not crazy if I'm the only one like losing my head here. Like there's someone else there losing their mind and I left in the cinema. Someone else. 

0:55:52 - Speaker 1
Because I was intrigued to see how the movie was gonna play out. I didn't know if it was gonna be like a concept movie where like one direction one was and be honest, his homecoming was and Justin Bieber's one was, where it's a mix of behind-the-scenes stuff which I think that would have been interesting to see, to see how, what, what went through her mile and decided what songs to sing, especially with the older tracks. 

What songs do you sing? That would have been more interesting. By guess, you can always do a documentary on that, do you not feel, though, that I was telling my friend this. 

0:56:22 - Speaker 2
I said I think that concert was for the fans who generally couldn't get tickets. I think what happens where you do a documentary, you then have, like, the fan who maybe knows a few songs, but it's a big fan of her work ethic Because for me, watching Beyonce's the one on Netflix, the homecoming stuff when I watched that I almost think, like this woman works. So, whether you'll be fan or not, you can take some inspiration from her work, her thinking process, a creative process, and I think if Taylor done similar would have been for those kind of fans. I think this was generally for you can't get a ticket, but you want to still feel it. Here's my gift to you, basically. 

0:56:54 - Speaker 1
Yeah, I think Taylor did it for the fans who can't see, and I think she just Obviously she just wants people to have that experience of going to see her, because I think a lot of people missed out and I also think it's the case, or with Taylor, it's the sense of that. I think she wants people to have that experience and I think that's important for her, for people to have that experience. I think it'd be very interesting and I hope she that maybe she'll do one after the European leg and the other leg has finished, that she'll do a show Like a documentary about how she picks the song. What was fascinating for me and I think I want to hear her mind on this is how she picked the song, because if you've got so many songs. 

You can tell that there was certain songs that certain era search obviously folk plant, evermore and the islands and recently came up. Always gonna take a lot of time because you had to go on this those songs. So of course it's gonna have to perform those songs. It was important. But how did you put the other songs? I just put the songs from red page with the songs from 1989. 

0:57:56 - Speaker 2
I had to put the song and we're not talking about like the og bangers. We're talking about songs that like maybe be side songs, but like, yeah, the crowd loves, you know the power drops like all too like a good, perfect song, but all too well wasn't released as a single. 

0:58:11 - Speaker 1
It was a fan favorite song from reds that everyone loved and we kept saying we wanted them use it video, for it's probably the most my favorite song from her Um, and it was Christ like and she's a minute songs and she gave us 10 minutes of it, like like all too well, wasn't meant to be what is now, but it is. But yeah, I all done. I mean you clearly had a great time in the concept, but let's get a hundred percent. 

Let's get to the tea. Travis Kelsey, what are your opinions on that union? 

0:58:43 - Speaker 2
Can I just say, see, after watching a David Beckham documentary initially, honestly, when I heard this old Travis Kelsey thing, I generally thought it was PR for the movie, like I thought like he'd like maybe they're friends and. But then she's going to every game, he's talking about it, she's talking about it. It's almost. I'm just like, just please be like a posh and becks. And last, because if it doesn't the music we're gonna get, I'm gonna hear NFL references in the Taylor Swift song and I can't wait, I can't wait. 

0:59:17 - Speaker 1
I think I knew it wasn't PR, because Taylor is that famous that she don't need it. 

She's doing a typical thing when you're broken up with someone, as you date a couple of people, it's just we're seeing it. That's the only difference. She was in a six year relationship which she hid most of it because he obviously didn't want to be seen in the public eye too much, and she's broken up with him. Now she's free as a bird and then usually after you have a month of mourning, month or two of mourning, and then, if it's a breakup, when you know that it's for a good reason and you're feeling okay, people date and that's what she did. This is a handbook, guys. 

0:59:57 - Speaker 2
I hope you like taking notes how to handle a breakup. 

0:59:59 - Speaker 1
Yeah, that's what she's doing. So, in regards to Travis, I was more because of how he treated his ex, because he didn't treat her right at all, and that's when she's really nice. She's a really nice girl. 

1:00:13 - Speaker 2
This man went on a TV show to date every woman from each state in America and one woman, sorry. 50 plus women. So yeah, this is a fifth boy. 

1:00:25 - Speaker 1
Because Kayla obviously Kayla and Nicole is ex, she's lovely. 

1:00:29 - Speaker 2
So sexy. 

1:00:31 - Speaker 1
And she's genuinely one of the lovely, like she's genuinely very nice. She comes across well she really nice and if she really wanted to and I know I can't say anything she could really rip him to shreds publicly. 

1:00:43 - Speaker 2
I think one of the exes did an interview. I think one of the exes did an interview. 

1:00:46 - Speaker 1
And what makes it worse and I think what's making me uncomfortable is people are like making jokes about her and the whole situation. But I'm like what she's going through isn't funny, like she was mistreated terribly by her famous boyfriend, who she supported for everything, whilst he was treating her badly and she hasn't dragged him. 

1:01:04 - Speaker 2
She hasn't dragged him. 

1:01:05 - Speaker 1
She hasn't said a word, she breaks up with him. He's now dating the most, one of the most famous women on the planet. Everyone keeps bringing you up. 

1:01:13 - Speaker 2
Especially considering. Let's just call it what it is Physically they're not the same in any way. They are not the same. They're not the same. They're not the same. So it's almost like my brother has a wide range in taste, clearly. 

1:01:26 - Speaker 1
But you know what it's given. 

1:01:27 - Speaker 2
yeah, controversial, take it's like he oh, I know what she's gonna say he didn't know, he-. 

1:01:33 - Speaker 1
Say it, say it, say it, he's gonna marry. Why I just I knew it, I knew it Did I get a secret? 

1:01:41 - Speaker 2
This is somebody. Somebody get Dr Uma on the podcast. My sisters, my chocolate sisters, come to your chocolate. 

1:01:49 - Speaker 1
maybe I hear for you and you could tell that Kayla's not the type to date out. If that makes any sense, she's not you know she's not. 

1:01:55 - Speaker 2
I get what you mean. 

1:01:56 - Speaker 1
Yeah, she did it just for him, do you know? 

1:02:00 - Speaker 2
what she means. Yeah, it's almost like if I'm picking you it better be forever. 

1:02:03 - Speaker 1
It better be. Which I mean because I'm like I'm not like Travis and I'm like mm-hmm, because you were trying to act black for a long time. 

1:02:14 - Speaker 2
I still think he is, you know, I think, still think he is. 

1:02:16 - Speaker 1
I still think he is, and for me personally I mean good luck. I mean it's better than Matt Hili. That was a true oh damn it. When she started hitting him, my head started hurting and I thought go out. 

1:02:30 - Speaker 2
I think this is the best person. I think this is the best one she's had, in my opinion. 

1:02:33 - Speaker 1
No, I think the best one she's ever had. 

1:02:37 - Speaker 2
Yeah, but I'd say Harry Styles or Jo Jo Ness. 

1:02:39 - Speaker 1
No, Jo Jo Ness. From what she's written, I think it's Harry Styles or Taylor Lautner. It's one of the two. 

1:02:45 - Speaker 2
Yeah, taylor Lautner got good. He got good rep from him. 

1:02:46 - Speaker 1
Yeah, Taylor Lautner or Harry Styles, I heard two bests. 

1:02:49 - Speaker 2
Because remember that Taylor Lautner also said he was gonna beat Kanye West up when he did that whole thing. 

1:02:53 - Speaker 1
Yeah, because I think, Taylor Lautner, she was the reason for their break up and the way she writes about him. She owned up to everything she made mistakes for and Harry Styles? It seemed the case that they were just both too famous and they weren't ready for the attention it wasn't anything to do with them, or more about the outside surroundings. So I personally, I don't think, or technically it would be Tom Hiddleston, if we're going by quality of man, because Tom Hiddleston's a good man. 

1:03:20 - Speaker 2
Remember, she also dated Calvin Harris. 

1:03:22 - Speaker 1
See, I have this crazy story, yeah, but he's not a good man. Calvin Harris is not a good man. 

1:03:25 - Speaker 2
He's not a good man because I remember when they broke up the most retweets I've gone on Twitter. They broke up and I literally said thank you, calvin Harris, for breaking up with Taylor Swift. The new album is going to be fire and the Swifties found my tweet 1K plus retweets. I was like damn, come on, girls, let's go let's go Now, cause he was awful. 

I remember when they broke up she wrote this is what you came for, the song you did in the other yeah, he was proper, like I'm not going to be bullied, I'm not going to be da, da, da, da, da. 

1:03:55 - Speaker 1
Like me the worst thing is, even the way the song is written is obviously written by Taylor Swift. It's such a Taylor Swift song it stinks, it reeks of her. It reeks of her. It's her style of writing. 

1:04:10 - Speaker 2
Writing. 

1:04:11 - Speaker 1
So I'm like no, let's be for real. But he did the same with Rita Ora. I remember when he was with Rita Ora and he produced Nebelette you Down and he was being such a hard ass about it. So he has the type for that. But yeah, I mean hopefully, I just want to have fun. 

1:04:30 - Speaker 2
I just wanted to settle down. 

1:04:31 - Speaker 1
I feel she was, I feel really bad, because I feel, from the way she was writing the songs in that period of time, especially in the last couple of years of that relationship with him, that she really wanted to settle down Like she really loved, like she really wanted to like. You know what I mean. The whole wedding thing. 

1:04:48 - Speaker 2
Concert of love. 

1:04:49 - Speaker 1
Yeah, you could tell that she really wanted that with him and it didn't happen. So I hope that she gets a happiness, because it's something that she clearly desires. 

1:04:56 - Speaker 2
And it'll be good to hear and make music about love, because she's such a good writer. She's such a good, strong writer Settled love, not just love, but like settled love, like not a fantasy, but like a true experience. 

1:05:05 - Speaker 1
I know, because that's why, like, the songs about Jo were really nice, because she was settled. So it was really interesting hearing her in that phase of her life, but it's going to be interesting to see her write songs now in the euphoria of it. So obviously her and Travis are still early on, but he better treat her right. He better treat her right and I want the NFL to stop doing the whole sexist thing they're doing with her. Leave her alone. 

1:05:27 - Speaker 2
Leave her alone, like she's just a woman going to see her man play NFL. Fans are tired man. I just want to watch the game. I don't care about her reaction. 

1:05:35 - Speaker 1
I feel the NFL are goading it, which makes the fans already negative feelings about it. Ignore it. 

1:05:41 - Speaker 2
They're just trying to gather swifties. They're just trying to get more swifties for viewership and like stop. 

1:05:45 - Speaker 1
he plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. They're very popular football team, you don't? 

1:05:49 - Speaker 2
need it. They're a good team. They have the best quarterback in the game. 

1:05:51 - Speaker 1
They've got the best quarterback in the league. Like relax, like it's not necessary. 

1:05:55 - Speaker 2
You don't need to do this, Exactly like you've been here before. 

1:05:58 - Speaker 1
And Travis Kells is probably the best, one of the best. What do? 

1:06:01 - Speaker 2
you call it. 

1:06:02 - Speaker 1
Titans in the league, probably top 10 ever. 

1:06:06 - Speaker 2
Yeah, easy, easy, top 10. Easy, top 10. 

1:06:08 - Speaker 1
Easy top 10. So I'm sorry, Like they need to give it up. They need to give it up. 

1:06:15 - Speaker 2
Yeah, like my whole thing is just is. The saying is simple Just act like you've been here before. 

1:06:19 - Speaker 1
Act like big celebrities have been to your games. It's really annoying because the NBA doesn't have this problem. 

1:06:26 - Speaker 2
Yeah, because the NBA is used to. The NBA is used to stars being court side, even the Premier. Yeah, it's because the NFL they can't be field side. It's almost like you can't just see them while the play's happening. 

1:06:38 - Speaker 1
But the Premier League doesn't have this problem. So remember, even when PSG games, you'll see like Kendall Jenner and David Beckham, united, that's football, right. 

1:06:46 - Speaker 2
I feel British culture is different. Like you can't tell me you're watching a football match in the UK Arsenal V-City and you're putting like I don't know, give me anybody Stormzy on the TV or something People would, the man in the pub will throw the bottle at the TV. 

1:07:01 - Speaker 1
The thing is what I like about the Premier League. Does it remember when Stormzy was at the United game and United won and they brought him on? Monday night for by the end, like just have some just out of the court. 

1:07:11 - Speaker 2
But like so I do think if she starts speaking about it, like if she does one interview with them, I think it'll stop. 

1:07:19 - Speaker 1
I don't think she should Do, you know if you're going to be honest with me. 

1:07:21 - Speaker 2
I like the way she's just like writing it. 

1:07:23 - Speaker 1
I think she should keep doing what she's doing, Because I remember it was like remember when she was with Jaya. At first it was this publicised at first and then it was very hidden, but then the part of me is like she can do it. She can do enough to hide it, because we've not seen Kylie and Timothy Chalamet too much. Really, it's only the last couple of months we've seen it. She knows how to hide. We've not seen no one has genuinely papped Harry and Taylor Russell yet really properly, and we know they're together. 

1:07:54 - Speaker 2
I just seen them on my TikTok two days ago, by the way. Yeah, harry Styles, my guy Harry Styles and Harry Styles. 

1:08:01 - Speaker 1
Like there's different people. People have dated different. He was with Kendall Jenner for a couple of years and no one. You couldn't get too much evidence of it. So I think I don't know, because it could be an element where she doesn't want to hide her life anymore the way she hid her life for six years. So obviously I get it. 

1:08:18 - Speaker 2
We'll see, I think when the NFL off season comes around. If they're still going by, then I think it will go away. I think it will just naturally people get bored of it. 

1:08:25 - Speaker 1
I don't think it will go away. I don't think it's going away. Nah, nah, nah, nah. 

1:08:30 - Speaker 2
I think after a while people will just get. 

1:08:32 - Speaker 1
It's Travis Kelsey, Because what's going to happen is like it happens with football. I'm trying to remember when this last happened with someone, but when you're dating someone who's famous, like Jermbo, and when Perry Edwards from Little Mix, like they and Alex Oxay Chamberlain and then whenever they have started to have a bad game and then it becomes a thing, is it because of this, like you know, what happens with Bex? 

1:08:54 - Speaker 2
That's a good point. I'm so glad every game she's been to they've won. 

1:08:57 - Speaker 1
They've won. You know what I mean, and they've not been amazing either. 

1:09:01 - Speaker 2
Yeah, offense is stuck in them. 

1:09:03 - Speaker 1
Yeah, so like, even with like if they lose a game and she's there. 

1:09:09 - Speaker 2
But she's slick. She only goes to the games where she knows they're 100% going to win. She goes against the teams that are bad, teams, which I respect. She goes when they're learning against bad teams. So we can tell our girl knows about the sport of football. So pick up yourself, taylor Swift. 

1:09:23 - Speaker 1
And it's funny because I think she's from Philly, her dad's from Philly. 

1:09:28 - Speaker 2
And what team does Travis Kosey's brother play for? 

1:09:30 - Speaker 1
The Eagles. 

1:09:31 - Speaker 2
Philadelphia Eagles. They're swing and rock about. 

1:09:33 - Speaker 1
Girl good, research Girl good research, but it's says has been great recap in Taylor Swift with you. I hope you guys all is inspired from us swifting off and going watch. Actually, guys, I don't kill a cost 17 pounds a week. I don't know how much it cost in the US and other places, but it's probably the best 17 pounds I spent. It's three hours worth of great concert footage and even if you're not a fan of her fan of her go have a watch. You'll probably come back. A lot of dads went with their daughters, which was really sweet, and ended up he overheard them saying I can't really like her now, but so, honestly, have a watch. It says it's been great chin wagging with you about this. 

1:10:18 - Speaker 2
You have to come again. 

1:10:18 - Speaker 1
We're gonna have to get you to come again. 

1:10:20 - Speaker 2
Yeah, something. Hopefully you can bring me on for something else that will help my PR. Now, you know. 

1:10:25 - Speaker 1
We're trying to get support or something, we're going to shoot Fred Bracken. 

1:10:31 - Speaker 2
Thank you very much. 

1:10:33 - Speaker 1
But we'll speak to you later, guys. And this has been the. Is this Cinema podcast with me Priscilla, and no Jess, but Assasin. So bye, guys. 

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