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Hello there,

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It's the Chairman of the United

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States Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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And today is Free Comic Book Day,

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but before y'all rush out that door,

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I have Ben Lacey of Biting

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Comics here with me to

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discuss his upcoming Kickstarter, Samson,

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issue number two.

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Thanks for watching!

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itself on the uh on the

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share there but all right

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everybody welcome ben hello

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the usdn podcast he doesn't

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know it yet but by coming

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on the podcast he is now an

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honorary council member of

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the united states

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department of nerds it's

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just a perk that comes with

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coming on the podcast ben awesome

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But let's jump into it.

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Ben, how did you get into comic books,

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or what made you decide to, like, hey,

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I think I'm going to do a

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comic book today?

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I guess I'd been, you know, I casually,

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you know,

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write stories every now and then,

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you know, prose stories, you know,

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fantasy, sci-fi, and things like that.

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and I'd always wanted to do

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a comic book and I'd come

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up with the comic we're

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going to talk about today

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samson that was actually my

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first big idea but it had

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been sitting around for

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twenty or thirty years but

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I had another idea more

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recently called uh about a

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shark um the meg movie had

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come out you know not long

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before and you know I

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thought to myself you know

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it's just another shark movie um

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where the monster shark goes

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and tries to kill people

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and they have to kill the shark.

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And I was like,

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what if he did something different?

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So I had this idea where the

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shark is a good guy.

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He's a modified cyborg

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military experiment.

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So he's actually has

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heightened intelligence and

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can fly short distances.

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And that's where I came up

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with the idea of Shark of War.

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At first, I was thinking, you know,

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maybe writing it as a short story.

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But I said, you know,

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I want to do a comic book

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that was different.

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That would be a pretty good comic book.

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That would be different.

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And, you know, I'm not a great artist,

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and I didn't know any artists,

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so I was going to do the art myself.

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And I, you know,

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I knew enough computer

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graphics to do art that way,

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and it worked out pretty well for that.

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So my first comic book was Shark of War,

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which you can kind of see

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on the wall behind me,

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some issues of that.

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And I've done now eight

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issues of Shark of War.

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You know, I funded it on Kickstarter, but

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and you know I've done a

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couple other comic books

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vicious vixens and the

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cthulhu man as well but I

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always came back to this

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idea of samson that I had

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um you know as a jewish

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person not a lot of jewish

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superheroes even though you

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know a lot of the creators

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were were jewish I always

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thought you know this idea

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I had it for samson you know

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I thought I really liked it

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and I wanted to do it.

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And now that I was more integrated into,

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you know, crowdfunding comic books,

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I knew artists and stuff

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like that and how to print

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and publish the comic book.

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I was like,

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maybe this is the time to do Samson.

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So no, I, I really like it.

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You sent me over the first

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one to read and the mixture

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of reality and

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inside of that book and you

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actually showing us who

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these characters are

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actually based off of

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really hit that book home

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and but we'll get into that

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I don't want to get too far

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ahead of ourselves here on

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that one but I will say

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issue one was was amazing

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like oh thank you it it was

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like I don't know if you've

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seen the review I did on it

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I gave you um I had not I'd

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love to see the review

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actually um I can always

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see some good pull lines

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for my kickstarter for for

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people the whole blurb I

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gave you on on um blue sky

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is perfect for that I wrote

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I intentionally write

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smaller reviews like that so

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you can copy and paste them

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over to kickstarter as a

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review right and um it's

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just something that the

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very first one I did I

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didn't know what I was doing but um

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I was like, hey,

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here's a blurb I wrote for

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Blue Sky because I'm only

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allowed so many characters.

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The guy who I wrote it for was like, oh,

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dude, that's perfect.

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I can just copy and paste

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the whole thing and use it

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on Kickstarter.

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I'm like, perfect, cool.

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I try to keep those short and sweet,

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but I do usually go back

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and write an article as well on it,

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on the interview, and on the book itself.

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I post that up to our DFPN website,

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which I can send you a link

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when I get done writing that.

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Normally, I do the interview.

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I've read the book.

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I kind of take the two,

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smash them together,

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and I do a quick little article on it.

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I keep it short and sweet.

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It's like two or three

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paragraphs about the artist, the book,

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what I thought about it,

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and then I'll post it to the website.

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I try to give as much as I

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can back to the person for

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coming on the podcast.

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That's great.

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I appreciate it.

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It's really hard to get reviews of

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know from from media on you

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know on indie comic books

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and I think it really helps

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you know establish

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credibility which is crazy

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to me so many of these out

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there I'm an indie guy I

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love books like you see

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this is new comic book day

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for this week that I

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haven't recorded yet yeah

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I'm always late on getting

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stuff recorded but this

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week was a hell of a week

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and but that's going to get

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recorded today in of that pile

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every,

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there's probably three comic books

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in there from Marvel and DC.

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Everything else is Image, Dark Horse,

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and everybody else.

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Everybody that everybody considers indie.

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Even though I'm like,

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Image is like probably the

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second largest producer of comic books.

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I'm like... Image.

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Most people working at Image

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are not indie.

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I mean, it's like, okay, yeah,

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Todd McFarlane, those guys, and

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Man, I mean, I remember when, what was it?

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Ninety-two or ninety-three

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when Rob Liefeld and Todd

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McFarlane started Damage Comets.

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And they're like, oh, this indie company.

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And I'm like,

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and all of a sudden this

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indie company was like booming.

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Yeah,

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they were selling a million copy issues.

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Youngblood.

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Yeah, for a million copies at the time.

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They were setting records for print runs.

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Like ten times what a comic

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book today would

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come close to you know even

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you know probably more than

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even you know something

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like absolute batman is

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sold nowadays is I think

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absolute batman just broke

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that record actually oh

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really yeah I think issue

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one did just break the

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record if it didn't break

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the record it's pretty darn

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close to breaking the

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record that's pretty good

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for that I mean especially

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nowadays when you know a

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lot of comic books sell you

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know twenty thousand issues

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even at marvel or dc probably

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when I when I was in the uh

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you know we're probably the

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similar error in the

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seventies I would uh marvel

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comics used to have to

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print these these

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statements on how much

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their monthly publishing

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numbers every now and then

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if you you know if you're

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the old the old comics

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you'd see like this print

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and every now and then I'd

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look at it and I you know

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spider-man would have like

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five hundred thousand

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copies a month printed out

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on average or something and you know

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lesser comic books might

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have two hundred thousand or something.

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But yeah,

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most comic books come anywhere

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close to that today.

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No, they really don't.

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And what I appreciate

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nowadays is they do keep the run smaller,

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which also adds to the

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rarity of the book and

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which helps the industry a

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lot by keeping a low print more.

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value later yeah I mean back

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at that time I thought of

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indie comics as is eclipse

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I don't know if you

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remember eclipse I don't

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they they mainly didn't

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their big claim to fame was

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probably they were they

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were the us publishers for

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miracle man at the time you

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know okay yeah I didn't

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remember miracle man

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And then Comico,

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which I like because they did, uh,

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elementals and, uh, and justice machine,

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you know, elementals was, uh,

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Bill Willingham before he

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did fables and stuff like that.

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So those were, those were,

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those were underrated book.

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If you can find it, what fables.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Elementals was pretty good too.

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I liked that, that it was,

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it was a few like, uh, you know,

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a superhero team where the team is,

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you know,

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very strange and they're you

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know they're kind of it's

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kind of all tried to be

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more real world too weekly

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fighting super villains you

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know I had some real world

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realism and you know the

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characters were kind of like

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not all that nice people,

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but they weren't bad guys.

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They just, they just weren't, you know,

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Superman type archetypes.

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I've always enjoyed those

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characters more though.

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Yeah.

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And that's why I like the Indies so much.

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Indie comics,

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you get more freedom of what

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you want to do.

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So that's why I've always

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found myself more intrigued

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by those types of

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characters and more of the

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Indie type of books.

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But yeah,

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So let's jump into, tell us about Samson.

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That's kind of a loaded

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title because it does have

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biblical references to it.

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But what is Samson exactly?

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Yeah, Samson,

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the name for the character is

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going to come more from the

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fact that they set him up

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to be a superhero to

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represent Jewish people.

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And at this point in the story,

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it goes from,

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the story kind of cover is an epic story.

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going from World War II when

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he's created as a child to

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the end of the Cold War.

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In World War II,

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the Nazis were

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experimenting on young children.

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This part is true.

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The Nazis experimented on

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young children with an emphasis on twins.

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So he and his brother, who is his twin,

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wind up in Auschwitz.

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They are Ukrainian-Polish Jews,

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much like my own ancestry.

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And his first name happens to be Samuel.

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So, you know,

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obviously the idea of being

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called Samson would make a lot of sense.

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But he and his brother are

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taken to this camp.

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And there are two scientists

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there who start

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experimenting on them to find

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as a prototype effort to try and, you know,

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they want to test these,

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these drugs they have to

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give you superpowers,

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which they're eventually

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going to try and create a

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line of Nazi super soldiers.

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So that's what's going on in World War II.

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Meantime, in the, in, you know,

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the Berlin Wall,

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the adult Samson learns

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that there may be one of

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these Nazi super soldiers

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who survived the war and he

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may have escaped to the United States.

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Also something which has happened,

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Nazis famously,

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some of them escaped to Argentina,

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a few of them actually

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escaped and hid out in the

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United States and were

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eventually found and

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brought to Israel for trial.

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So the first issue focuses

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on the Nazis experimenting

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on him as a young child and

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him trying to hunt down

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this possible Nazi super

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criminal and bring him back to justice.

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So that covers most of the first issue.

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And the second issue,

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which I think really gets

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into the heart of the story,

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he has to return to Israel,

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and we actually see the

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efforts to give him

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superpowers as a child kick

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into high gear.

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You saw the cliffhanger

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ending at the end of the issue.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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The Nazis are frustrated

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that they haven't seen the

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results they've hoped for.

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They're hoping to kick

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things into higher gear

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with a more sharp effort to kick off,

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give him superpowers.

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Of course,

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it's not going to go quite the

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way they hope it does.

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That's why the title of the

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story is Escape from Auschwitz,

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because he's going to try

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and finally get free.

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Yeah, no,

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that was a really cool

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cliffhanger at the end of issue one.

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Yeah, thank you.

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And it was one of those where I'm like,

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this came.

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Obviously,

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I knew you had issue two coming out,

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but the way that one ended, I was like,

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man, that's...

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I'm like,

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issue two is either going to

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start off with a big bang

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or we're going to get a big

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bang at the middle of the book.

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I'm like,

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we're going to get a good issue

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two out of this.

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I know that.

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Oh, yeah.

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You're going to get a payoff

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on that story.

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The other story, like I said,

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extends through many years.

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You're going to get to find

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out what happened to his brother.

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Yeah, yeah.

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See what's happened to him

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in Israel because at some

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point he does wind up in Israel.

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which is where he got his

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uniform and his name

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because the Israelis

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government at the time of

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independence wanted somebody to, you know,

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symbolize what they were themselves.

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So if you looked at the

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digital back of the book stuff,

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there's some stories on.

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No,

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I didn't see the concept of art that

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you sent over as well when

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you were picking out the –

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his super suit and everything.

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I thought those were really cool.

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I thought you made the good

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choice on that one.

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Yeah.

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I actually,

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my audience preferred that one.

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I might've gone a different way from them.

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So I put it up for my readership.

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You know, I was like,

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these are the three choices.

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What do you like?

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And they liked that one.

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And I'm like, okay, we're going with you.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they're going,

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they're the ones who are buying it.

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So yeah.

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But, um,

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No, I really.

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So actually,

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we we already talked about the character.

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So you did say that because

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his brother did disappear, I think,

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probably about three

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quarters of the way through

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the book or halfway through there.

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You know, he's he's they they they,

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you know,

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they originally experiment on

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him and it doesn't go the

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way that nothing happens.

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And then they switch characters.

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They changed what their medicines,

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their drugs,

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and starts experimenting on Sam.

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And, you know, and the brother basically,

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you know, is still there.

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But, you know, we don't.

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We are going to see that the

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drugs have had an effect on him, too.

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And we'll see what happens to him.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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something to look forward to

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in issue two and give those readers like,

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Oh, you want to come back for issue two?

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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I think issue two and then issue three,

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I think is going to be, you know,

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I wish I could get these

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out every two or three months, you know,

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obviously that is an indie

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comic guy doing it all yourself.

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You're kind of, you know,

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If I was if I was doing this

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for a publisher, you know,

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and all I had to worry

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about is writing a story

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and checking the art,

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I could probably do it, you know,

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get it out like almost like a regular,

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you know, Marvel book.

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But I can't.

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Yeah, that would be, yeah,

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sort of buy in your own

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publishing company.

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Yeah, the logistics are very hard,

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you know, getting things moving.

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All right.

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So tell us about how your

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creative process works for this.

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Did you storyboard like the

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entire series out or are

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you just kind of like, all right,

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here's issue one, here's issue two,

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now let me start

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brainstorming issue three

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or do you already have your whole...

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story storyboarded out

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written out on on a notepad

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somewhere going okay now

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we're here now we're here I

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kind of uh you know a rough

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synopsis of the first four

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or five issues and then in

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my head I probably have you

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know the first seven or

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eight actually issues you know

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And then what I normally

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prefer to do is I have an idea of it.

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And then I just start, you know,

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what I want.

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I have an idea of what I

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want this issue to cover.

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And then I start writing the

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comic script and try to see

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how it lays out on the page for me,

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page by page.

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I usually write page by page.

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panel by panel so I kind of

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give okay you know I see

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this this page is having

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six panels here's panel one

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I see in panel one two

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three and four and I I kind

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of write it out and you

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know usually I follow what

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what my original idea is

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but then I sometimes have

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while I'm writing it also

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you know maybe this would

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be better this would be

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better and the idea kind of

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go and you know as I think

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about it on each page by

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page I can imagine try to

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imagine you know

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how big the panel might be,

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whether I'm trying to cram,

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I have a tendency to try

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and cram a lot into a page.

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So there are panels where I've gone six,

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seven, eight, eight panels a page,

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you know,

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and I'm always- That's a lot of

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panels when you look at it.

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Average is,

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sits is usually that good

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number for panels on a page.

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Unless it's a small panel

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depicting like a POW or a

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ZAP or something.

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Yeah, well,

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part of the reason I do that is

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practical because, you know,

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You know,

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I try to do a twenty four page

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book and I want to cover

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certain things in twenty four pages.

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So if I you know,

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if I can't if I can't do that,

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I start I start upping the

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panel count a bit.

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And then, you know,

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because if I can't do it in

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twenty four pages,

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I have to go to twenty eight pages.

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which obviously increases,

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starts to increase the expense of price.

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There's a practical, you know, again,

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it's an indie comic thing.

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There's a practical limit.

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If I was funding, you know,

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at a hundred thousand dollars an issue or,

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you know, well,

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even a thousand dollars an issue,

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I'd be like, yeah,

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let's make this a twenty

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eight page book of a couple

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more big splash pages.

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I always have a couple of

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splash pages in the book no matter what.

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So I'm always planning to

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have one or two big full pages as well.

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So you get that big artistic moment,

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which we're going to see in

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the fight with Uber Kong in issue two.

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Yeah, I did see the concept for that.

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That concept was really dope, yeah.

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You really get a good picture.

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And I think I sent you one

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of the... This was just, I mean,

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it gives you an idea,

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but there was a picture of

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the fight where my artist

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Nico Turan was drawing it.

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And you can kind of see what's coming.

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That was one of those where I was like,

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do I want to show these?

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And I kind of do.

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And I kind of was like, no,

00:20:27.964 --> 00:20:28.945
I kind of want to steer

00:20:28.986 --> 00:20:31.487
people to the Kickstarter.

00:20:31.747 --> 00:20:32.387
Yeah.

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I will say this.

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There is a fight with a

00:20:36.289 --> 00:20:40.372
giant enhanced gorilla, which is...

00:20:41.499 --> 00:20:41.699
you know,

00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:43.039
one of those things where you look at it,

00:20:43.220 --> 00:20:44.941
like I've seen the concept art for it.

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It's really dope.

00:20:46.142 --> 00:20:47.803
And then all of a sudden in real life,

00:20:47.844 --> 00:20:48.523
people are talking about

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could a hundred dudes fight

00:20:50.285 --> 00:20:52.126
a gorilla all of a sudden.

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And I'm like, Oh,

00:20:54.127 --> 00:20:55.788
I've seen concept art for this,

00:20:55.828 --> 00:20:56.890
for a comic book.

00:20:57.329 --> 00:20:57.569
Yeah.

00:20:57.670 --> 00:20:57.810
Yeah.

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Well,

00:20:57.931 --> 00:20:59.612
there's going to be some of that as well.

00:20:59.711 --> 00:21:01.732
Cause you know, things, things on that,

00:21:01.833 --> 00:21:03.595
that fight don't go totally

00:21:03.634 --> 00:21:05.236
the way you might think they would.

00:21:06.596 --> 00:21:06.856
You know,

00:21:09.361 --> 00:21:10.221
Let's just say that you

00:21:10.241 --> 00:21:11.403
should have some sympathy

00:21:11.442 --> 00:21:14.744
for the gorilla in the storyline, too.

00:21:14.765 --> 00:21:15.164
Oh, yeah.

00:21:16.465 --> 00:21:16.685
Yeah.

00:21:16.746 --> 00:21:17.586
Most definitely.

00:21:17.606 --> 00:21:18.287
Most definitely.

00:21:21.269 --> 00:21:21.650
But yeah.

00:21:21.789 --> 00:21:22.911
Yeah.

00:21:22.931 --> 00:21:25.192
So that fight's going to be exciting,

00:21:25.231 --> 00:21:25.772
hopefully.

00:21:25.833 --> 00:21:26.532
And, you know,

00:21:26.593 --> 00:21:27.854
I think the other part of

00:21:28.094 --> 00:21:29.615
the story is also inspired

00:21:29.654 --> 00:21:31.155
by real events is what

00:21:31.195 --> 00:21:33.738
happens between him and the

00:21:33.798 --> 00:21:35.720
Nazi super criminal he finds.

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Yeah.

00:21:36.380 --> 00:21:37.760
let's bring this up and we

00:21:37.800 --> 00:21:39.721
can see that right there

00:21:39.903 --> 00:21:40.583
yeah I didn't realize it

00:21:40.603 --> 00:21:42.384
was on the splash page but

00:21:42.463 --> 00:21:43.904
yeah they let you add more

00:21:44.025 --> 00:21:46.747
art now nowadays so so to

00:21:46.787 --> 00:21:48.188
your to your preview page

00:21:48.208 --> 00:21:49.068
you used to only just be

00:21:49.088 --> 00:21:50.589
able to show like one one

00:21:50.670 --> 00:21:52.530
image um so what you're

00:21:52.550 --> 00:21:54.011
seeing there at the top is

00:21:54.192 --> 00:21:56.273
is some of the the like I said the

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The story concerns that

00:21:58.660 --> 00:22:00.280
after the fall of the Berlin Wall,

00:22:00.941 --> 00:22:01.981
more information about

00:22:02.021 --> 00:22:03.022
these super soldier

00:22:03.063 --> 00:22:04.763
projects from World War II

00:22:04.903 --> 00:22:05.805
is being found.

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And there's an effort by

00:22:08.866 --> 00:22:10.688
somebody to start creating

00:22:11.249 --> 00:22:12.250
more super soldiers.

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And you're seeing in the top panel there,

00:22:16.893 --> 00:22:17.993
some of the results of that

00:22:18.054 --> 00:22:21.375
effort and some of the

00:22:21.415 --> 00:22:24.198
super creations are rather

00:22:24.258 --> 00:22:25.058
freakish there.

00:22:25.817 --> 00:22:27.499
You've got the guy on the

00:22:27.558 --> 00:22:29.760
left has got your obvious super strength,

00:22:29.800 --> 00:22:32.242
but the one guy is what

00:22:32.262 --> 00:22:33.723
I've called the last decide

00:22:34.284 --> 00:22:35.785
is basically has like Mr.

00:22:35.825 --> 00:22:37.445
Fantastic type powers.

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And then,

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then there's a woman called

00:22:40.067 --> 00:22:42.490
Sprite who's hanging on him on the right,

00:22:42.529 --> 00:22:45.791
who, who kind of has your, your Wolverine,

00:22:45.811 --> 00:22:51.955
you know, feral, feral powers, who I call,

00:22:51.996 --> 00:22:53.017
who I dubbed Spite.

00:22:55.463 --> 00:22:56.826
And then below you see a

00:22:56.846 --> 00:22:58.888
little bit of the Uber Kong

00:22:59.210 --> 00:23:01.773
fight with our young Sam, who,

00:23:02.013 --> 00:23:02.795
like I said,

00:23:03.096 --> 00:23:04.597
during World War II is a child.

00:23:06.128 --> 00:23:07.429
The other, the second,

00:23:07.489 --> 00:23:09.690
that image there is cover

00:23:09.789 --> 00:23:11.049
art for issue one,

00:23:11.069 --> 00:23:14.431
which will be available to, you know,

00:23:14.451 --> 00:23:15.871
that cover is available as

00:23:15.931 --> 00:23:17.432
part of the issue two Kickstarter.

00:23:17.451 --> 00:23:20.412
For issue one Kickstarter covers,

00:23:20.873 --> 00:23:22.512
I did several different variants.

00:23:22.712 --> 00:23:24.692
And this is actually an

00:23:24.834 --> 00:23:27.334
artist whose parents survived Auschwitz,

00:23:27.733 --> 00:23:30.055
and she specializes in Holocaust art.

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And this is an oil painting

00:23:32.035 --> 00:23:33.756
that I licensed from her to

00:23:33.895 --> 00:23:34.596
use as a cover.

00:23:35.336 --> 00:23:37.257
so so she sells you know oil

00:23:37.297 --> 00:23:39.156
paintings that for private

00:23:39.176 --> 00:23:41.077
collectors and also gallery

00:23:41.157 --> 00:23:43.178
galleries and and museums

00:23:43.798 --> 00:23:45.838
and and she let me license

00:23:45.858 --> 00:23:47.539
this to this picture image

00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:48.799
to use as a cover of course

00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:49.640
it works really well

00:23:49.660 --> 00:23:51.520
because it's two brothers

00:23:51.980 --> 00:23:53.161
in auschwitz and it's

00:23:53.221 --> 00:23:54.741
inspired by some famous

00:23:54.801 --> 00:23:57.622
photos of of children at

00:23:57.701 --> 00:23:59.282
auschwitz where you see the

00:23:59.343 --> 00:24:00.803
photos of them behind the

00:24:00.923 --> 00:24:02.844
uh the uh the barbed wire

00:24:04.869 --> 00:24:06.431
And it really sends a

00:24:06.511 --> 00:24:09.794
message to you in that painting too.

00:24:09.914 --> 00:24:11.276
This cover is done by

00:24:11.316 --> 00:24:13.057
current artist Nico Turan,

00:24:13.498 --> 00:24:14.719
who's going to be the issue

00:24:14.739 --> 00:24:16.961
two interior artist as well.

00:24:17.101 --> 00:24:19.182
He also does Vicious Vixens for me,

00:24:20.344 --> 00:24:21.525
one of my other comic books.

00:24:21.605 --> 00:24:22.865
But this obviously is

00:24:22.905 --> 00:24:24.247
inspired by one of the Alex

00:24:24.326 --> 00:24:26.148
Ross Superman covers.

00:24:26.469 --> 00:24:29.771
Yeah, I have that cover somewhere.

00:24:29.892 --> 00:24:31.574
It's one of my favorite...

00:24:32.434 --> 00:24:33.435
Superman.

00:24:33.596 --> 00:24:34.196
I said, can you,

00:24:34.237 --> 00:24:34.958
you think you can do

00:24:35.018 --> 00:24:36.038
something with that photo

00:24:36.078 --> 00:24:37.039
realistic style?

00:24:37.059 --> 00:24:38.021
And he said, I'll try.

00:24:38.082 --> 00:24:38.742
And he,

00:24:38.843 --> 00:24:40.484
I think he really hit it out of the park.

00:24:41.546 --> 00:24:43.127
I think it's not a direct copy, but,

00:24:43.628 --> 00:24:44.690
but it's still got that

00:24:44.750 --> 00:24:46.112
photo realistic look.

00:24:46.893 --> 00:24:47.032
Um,

00:24:49.211 --> 00:24:50.653
This is also probably my

00:24:50.692 --> 00:24:52.333
most controversial cover

00:24:52.373 --> 00:24:53.173
because of current

00:24:53.373 --> 00:24:57.315
political issues via Israel

00:24:57.335 --> 00:24:58.255
and things like that.

00:24:58.595 --> 00:24:59.674
So when I published it,

00:24:59.734 --> 00:25:01.056
put this on Facebook,

00:25:01.076 --> 00:25:02.955
there was some backlash to it.

00:25:03.056 --> 00:25:04.396
I'm sure, I'm sure.

00:25:06.798 --> 00:25:07.238
And then you,

00:25:07.438 --> 00:25:09.179
you get an article on the

00:25:09.220 --> 00:25:11.101
real life villains, both the, uh, the,

00:25:11.181 --> 00:25:12.221
the scientists who are

00:25:12.260 --> 00:25:13.501
experimenting on him are

00:25:13.521 --> 00:25:16.544
based on actual Nazi scientists who,

00:25:16.663 --> 00:25:19.246
who experimented on people in, in the, uh,

00:25:19.346 --> 00:25:20.566
in concentration camps.

00:25:21.207 --> 00:25:22.928
Um, the first one there, you know,

00:25:23.228 --> 00:25:24.949
he actually, you know,

00:25:24.969 --> 00:25:26.650
was found guilty at the

00:25:26.710 --> 00:25:28.310
Nuremberg trials and he was sent,

00:25:28.330 --> 00:25:29.612
you know, he was executed.

00:25:30.011 --> 00:25:31.432
The second one, um,

00:25:32.838 --> 00:25:33.319
was not.

00:25:33.339 --> 00:25:33.819
He, you know,

00:25:33.859 --> 00:25:35.161
he went to prison for a while.

00:25:35.201 --> 00:25:36.502
He got his license back.

00:25:36.603 --> 00:25:37.943
He lived till be ninety.

00:25:38.324 --> 00:25:39.384
It's crazy.

00:25:39.664 --> 00:25:40.906
Kind of a very life is

00:25:40.987 --> 00:25:44.150
unfair kind of thing, you know.

00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:44.690
Yeah, no kidding.

00:25:44.750 --> 00:25:45.230
There was no,

00:25:45.250 --> 00:25:46.672
the justice for him was not

00:25:46.692 --> 00:25:48.294
what it should have been, but, uh,

00:25:49.267 --> 00:25:50.208
yeah and then you can see

00:25:50.228 --> 00:25:52.008
that the you know I do like

00:25:52.548 --> 00:25:53.848
this picture because the

00:25:53.868 --> 00:25:55.589
way they protrude the

00:25:55.750 --> 00:25:57.351
artists and you decided to

00:25:57.391 --> 00:25:59.092
portray these two doctors

00:25:59.251 --> 00:26:00.212
or these two people doing

00:26:00.232 --> 00:26:01.593
the experimentations like

00:26:01.633 --> 00:26:04.115
yeah how you can like the

00:26:04.154 --> 00:26:06.955
pictures look like them or

00:26:07.056 --> 00:26:08.297
resemble them to some

00:26:08.356 --> 00:26:10.498
degree I I thought that was

00:26:10.657 --> 00:26:12.278
like perfect for the story

00:26:12.338 --> 00:26:13.558
and kind of really hit this

00:26:14.259 --> 00:26:15.299
this home that you are

00:26:15.339 --> 00:26:16.661
basing this off of real

00:26:16.681 --> 00:26:18.582
people who did evil things

00:26:19.082 --> 00:26:20.482
Yeah, they also, I mean,

00:26:20.542 --> 00:26:22.384
if you look at them, they also, you know,

00:26:22.424 --> 00:26:22.964
the pictures,

00:26:22.984 --> 00:26:24.507
they also have a very evil

00:26:24.567 --> 00:26:25.667
kind of creepy look in

00:26:25.688 --> 00:26:26.567
their real pictures.

00:26:26.587 --> 00:26:26.949
They do.

00:26:28.450 --> 00:26:30.531
You know, Mengele is obviously the most,

00:26:30.652 --> 00:26:31.972
Joseph Mengele is obviously

00:26:31.992 --> 00:26:34.875
the most famous of these scientists,

00:26:34.935 --> 00:26:35.455
you know,

00:26:35.736 --> 00:26:37.237
since he was at Auschwitz and

00:26:37.277 --> 00:26:39.038
was deciding who lived and

00:26:39.058 --> 00:26:42.122
who died as people got off the ship.

00:26:42.682 --> 00:26:45.083
trains um but but he's kind

00:26:45.123 --> 00:26:46.383
of like you know blandly

00:26:46.442 --> 00:26:47.903
handsome whereas you know

00:26:47.962 --> 00:26:49.903
these guys look they look

00:26:49.923 --> 00:26:51.564
the part of you know yeah

00:26:51.663 --> 00:26:53.144
of villains if you saw them

00:26:53.203 --> 00:26:54.305
you would be like oh man

00:26:54.484 --> 00:26:56.545
those guys are scary that's

00:26:56.565 --> 00:26:57.605
where you go like who hurt

00:26:57.625 --> 00:26:58.665
them as a child to make

00:26:58.685 --> 00:27:01.526
them yeah this way all

00:27:01.566 --> 00:27:04.906
right we'll stop sharing this

00:27:07.098 --> 00:27:08.580
No, that's, yeah.

00:27:09.761 --> 00:27:10.824
To me, that was,

00:27:11.463 --> 00:27:13.926
once I seen that part of the splash page,

00:27:13.988 --> 00:27:15.930
I was like, oh damn, this really, for me,

00:27:16.671 --> 00:27:17.852
it really hit it home.

00:27:19.152 --> 00:27:21.012
on like yeah you're telling

00:27:21.032 --> 00:27:22.433
a fictional story but you

00:27:22.453 --> 00:27:25.394
have some historical facts

00:27:26.015 --> 00:27:27.635
mixed into it as well and

00:27:28.497 --> 00:27:29.596
I've always appreciated

00:27:29.636 --> 00:27:30.678
that and from a

00:27:30.738 --> 00:27:31.837
storytelling perspective

00:27:31.857 --> 00:27:33.098
when you can you know I'm

00:27:33.138 --> 00:27:34.239
telling you a non-fiction

00:27:34.278 --> 00:27:36.039
or fictional story but I'm

00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:37.059
also going to mix it in

00:27:37.080 --> 00:27:38.280
with some non-fiction as

00:27:38.340 --> 00:27:40.001
well in historical facts to

00:27:40.021 --> 00:27:42.423
back some of what I'm saying up

00:27:43.123 --> 00:27:44.523
Well, that was important to me.

00:27:44.604 --> 00:27:45.605
I mean, there's a, you know,

00:27:46.346 --> 00:27:48.208
this is obviously not a true story, but,

00:27:48.288 --> 00:27:51.230
you know, the there's, you know,

00:27:51.411 --> 00:27:52.551
most of the people who were

00:27:52.811 --> 00:27:55.574
directly involved in this are dead.

00:27:55.753 --> 00:27:56.214
And, you know,

00:27:56.494 --> 00:27:57.756
the only ones that are left

00:27:57.836 --> 00:27:59.478
are probably were probably young,

00:27:59.538 --> 00:28:00.558
very young at the time.

00:28:01.199 --> 00:28:02.279
And, you know,

00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:03.960
there's obviously a group of, you know,

00:28:03.980 --> 00:28:05.300
what they call Holocaust

00:28:05.340 --> 00:28:07.221
deniers and stuff like that

00:28:07.582 --> 00:28:08.402
who are out there.

00:28:08.481 --> 00:28:09.962
So, you know, I wanted to you know,

00:28:10.002 --> 00:28:11.803
I wanted to have the actual

00:28:12.144 --> 00:28:14.064
reality there as well, because, you know,

00:28:14.084 --> 00:28:14.805
a lot of people,

00:28:15.365 --> 00:28:16.025
they aren't going to watch

00:28:16.085 --> 00:28:18.125
documentaries about the Holocaust,

00:28:18.165 --> 00:28:19.486
but they consume, you know,

00:28:19.546 --> 00:28:20.767
pop culture stuff.

00:28:20.846 --> 00:28:21.906
And they would you know,

00:28:21.926 --> 00:28:24.048
they they see about it, you know,

00:28:24.167 --> 00:28:25.808
through through mediums like this.

00:28:27.691 --> 00:28:30.615
I see my very first one on YouTube,

00:28:30.695 --> 00:28:31.156
actually,

00:28:31.196 --> 00:28:32.759
and it was about the guy who

00:28:32.900 --> 00:28:33.942
saved all the children

00:28:35.183 --> 00:28:36.105
during the Holocaust.

00:28:36.145 --> 00:28:37.027
I think he saved like eight

00:28:37.047 --> 00:28:38.349
hundred kids or something like that.

00:28:39.201 --> 00:28:41.644
Is that the one in Belgium

00:28:41.683 --> 00:28:42.944
or Denmark or somebody?

00:28:42.964 --> 00:28:43.105
Yeah.

00:28:43.545 --> 00:28:43.785
Yeah.

00:28:44.046 --> 00:28:44.346
And like,

00:28:44.365 --> 00:28:46.586
he's in the audience and they're

00:28:46.606 --> 00:28:47.867
talking about the Holocaust

00:28:47.948 --> 00:28:49.088
and all the survivors and

00:28:49.128 --> 00:28:50.390
then they recognize him.

00:28:50.890 --> 00:28:51.871
So he stands up and

00:28:51.931 --> 00:28:53.951
everybody's clapping and he's like,

00:28:54.313 --> 00:28:55.593
and the host is like, Hey,

00:28:55.613 --> 00:28:57.094
I want to introduce you to, uh,

00:28:58.214 --> 00:28:59.215
some of the people that you

00:28:59.256 --> 00:29:01.115
saved in the entire audience,

00:29:01.676 --> 00:29:03.857
like stood up and the

00:29:03.917 --> 00:29:05.739
emotion that that man felt

00:29:06.459 --> 00:29:08.119
like that one hits you like

00:29:08.140 --> 00:29:10.020
that one hits you in the feels hard.

00:29:10.560 --> 00:29:10.621
Wow.

00:29:11.655 --> 00:29:13.817
and I was like somebody's

00:29:13.876 --> 00:29:16.137
cutting onions you know

00:29:16.458 --> 00:29:17.878
yeah yeah because it does I

00:29:17.898 --> 00:29:18.538
don't care what kind of

00:29:18.578 --> 00:29:19.799
human being you are you see

00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:20.940
something emotionally

00:29:20.980 --> 00:29:21.881
charged like that it's

00:29:21.901 --> 00:29:23.401
going to hit you as well

00:29:23.421 --> 00:29:25.201
right and that one that one

00:29:25.241 --> 00:29:26.021
definitely hit me and

00:29:26.063 --> 00:29:27.323
definitely really hit it

00:29:27.363 --> 00:29:29.384
home that this is a very

00:29:29.443 --> 00:29:30.765
real thing and a very real

00:29:30.785 --> 00:29:32.184
thing to happen and was

00:29:32.224 --> 00:29:35.866
caused by really evil people but

00:29:37.107 --> 00:29:37.548
Ben,

00:29:37.567 --> 00:29:39.589
tell us about your Kickstarter

00:29:39.609 --> 00:29:41.851
campaign and what people

00:29:41.891 --> 00:29:45.173
can expect from your campaign.

00:29:45.252 --> 00:29:47.894
OK, so we're going to have, like I said,

00:29:47.914 --> 00:29:48.795
I'm hoping to launch

00:29:48.994 --> 00:29:50.455
probably in a week and a

00:29:50.496 --> 00:29:52.257
half to two weeks, depending.

00:29:52.897 --> 00:29:54.058
I want to make sure the art,

00:29:54.239 --> 00:29:56.759
I at least need to have the covers ready.

00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.842
We're going to have at least three covers,

00:29:59.981 --> 00:30:00.623
and I think they're going

00:30:00.643 --> 00:30:01.462
to be very cool.

00:30:03.003 --> 00:30:04.085
So people are going to have

00:30:04.404 --> 00:30:05.724
several cover options.

00:30:08.026 --> 00:30:11.248
I always do a very low cost

00:30:11.387 --> 00:30:13.009
digital tier for five dollars.

00:30:14.148 --> 00:30:15.529
I try to keep my base books

00:30:15.930 --> 00:30:17.971
as reasonably priced as possible,

00:30:18.330 --> 00:30:20.551
given that I'm printing

00:30:20.592 --> 00:30:21.813
them and having to ship them.

00:30:22.894 --> 00:30:23.634
individually.

00:30:24.555 --> 00:30:26.135
So I think my prices on the

00:30:26.155 --> 00:30:27.938
Kickstarter side are relatively low.

00:30:27.978 --> 00:30:29.538
But the big thing is you can

00:30:29.578 --> 00:30:30.839
read the digital issue of

00:30:32.922 --> 00:30:35.703
the first issue on the Kickstarter page.

00:30:35.723 --> 00:30:37.065
It will be there at the very top.

00:30:38.018 --> 00:30:39.138
You can read issue one for

00:30:39.179 --> 00:30:40.420
free and see if you like it.

00:30:41.059 --> 00:30:43.622
I will tell everybody, read that.

00:30:43.662 --> 00:30:45.743
As soon as it goes live in, Ben,

00:30:45.784 --> 00:30:47.285
if you will send me a notification,

00:30:47.384 --> 00:30:48.145
I will post that

00:30:48.205 --> 00:30:49.527
notification across my

00:30:49.606 --> 00:30:51.087
social media platforms as well.

00:30:52.028 --> 00:30:53.890
And I encourage everybody

00:30:53.910 --> 00:30:56.211
who is going to listen to this later,

00:30:56.612 --> 00:30:57.932
this will go live next

00:30:57.972 --> 00:30:59.173
Wednesday as that's my day.

00:30:59.253 --> 00:31:01.516
I kind of push out all my

00:31:01.556 --> 00:31:03.817
products to the worldwide

00:31:03.897 --> 00:31:04.978
webs through my...

00:31:08.176 --> 00:31:09.077
and um yeah read that first

00:31:09.178 --> 00:31:10.618
issue when it comes out I

00:31:10.679 --> 00:31:12.380
thought it was really good

00:31:13.121 --> 00:31:15.762
um it was one of those

00:31:15.803 --> 00:31:18.904
where it you get to see

00:31:18.944 --> 00:31:20.365
kind of firsthand some of

00:31:20.405 --> 00:31:22.968
the evil that was done to

00:31:23.008 --> 00:31:25.809
these people and the

00:31:25.849 --> 00:31:28.051
product that it produced is

00:31:28.132 --> 00:31:30.173
now like their greatest enemy

00:31:31.211 --> 00:31:32.794
And I thought that was just a really,

00:31:33.615 --> 00:31:35.817
really cool concept to put

00:31:36.597 --> 00:31:37.898
into comic book format.

00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:39.181
It does tell a good story.

00:31:39.500 --> 00:31:41.683
So when it comes out live, I'll post it.

00:31:41.943 --> 00:31:42.984
I encourage everybody to

00:31:43.045 --> 00:31:45.047
read that first issue and

00:31:45.067 --> 00:31:46.008
then support the second

00:31:46.087 --> 00:31:48.711
issue because it is a good story.

00:31:49.912 --> 00:31:51.252
I always try to give out a

00:31:51.292 --> 00:31:54.034
lot of my first issues free

00:31:54.055 --> 00:31:55.634
because I have some faith

00:31:55.674 --> 00:31:56.756
in my work and I'm hoping

00:31:56.776 --> 00:31:57.675
that people read it.

00:31:57.936 --> 00:31:59.436
They'll be inspired to want

00:31:59.557 --> 00:32:00.837
to back the project.

00:32:02.898 --> 00:32:03.940
You won't have to sign up

00:32:03.980 --> 00:32:05.661
for anything or anything like that.

00:32:05.721 --> 00:32:06.800
You just click the link and

00:32:06.820 --> 00:32:08.582
it'll pop up in Google Docs

00:32:08.741 --> 00:32:10.423
and you can read it and

00:32:10.482 --> 00:32:12.144
download it and share it if you want.

00:32:12.284 --> 00:32:13.644
I don't really mind people

00:32:14.644 --> 00:32:15.965
sharing my digital copies

00:32:16.046 --> 00:32:17.227
all over the place if they want.

00:32:18.786 --> 00:32:19.205
But yeah,

00:32:19.226 --> 00:32:21.227
so I'm hopeful that that will

00:32:21.247 --> 00:32:22.346
bring a lot of people in

00:32:22.407 --> 00:32:24.828
and that they'll at least

00:32:24.868 --> 00:32:25.929
back at some level.

00:32:26.469 --> 00:32:26.949
So yeah,

00:32:26.989 --> 00:32:29.109
issue three is going to have some

00:32:29.150 --> 00:32:29.790
cool stuff.

00:32:29.810 --> 00:32:30.570
We're going to get to meet

00:32:30.711 --> 00:32:34.372
some of the extended Samson family,

00:32:34.913 --> 00:32:37.594
including the Omega Girl, who will be...

00:32:38.354 --> 00:32:39.134
we'll be making an

00:32:39.795 --> 00:32:40.555
appearance that will

00:32:40.615 --> 00:32:41.796
hopefully shock people.

00:32:42.296 --> 00:32:44.017
And there'll be some cover

00:32:44.096 --> 00:32:46.678
art inspired by Supergirl,

00:32:46.778 --> 00:32:47.838
a Supergirl comic.

00:32:48.479 --> 00:32:50.880
Yeah, that one was one of the,

00:32:50.900 --> 00:32:52.320
that was a really dope concept too.

00:32:53.201 --> 00:32:54.241
I do have a question about

00:32:54.281 --> 00:32:55.602
that here in a few minutes.

00:32:57.042 --> 00:32:59.223
So as for the Kickstarter,

00:32:59.284 --> 00:33:01.223
what kind of rewards can

00:33:01.263 --> 00:33:03.565
people back in the book expect?

00:33:03.585 --> 00:33:04.384
I know you said you had

00:33:04.424 --> 00:33:05.586
several different tiers.

00:33:06.145 --> 00:33:07.385
Oh, yeah, I have, you know,

00:33:07.425 --> 00:33:08.727
not only do I have tiers

00:33:08.767 --> 00:33:10.967
where you can get get different covers,

00:33:11.086 --> 00:33:12.887
you can get all also get my other books,

00:33:12.928 --> 00:33:14.228
you know, I have, you know,

00:33:14.307 --> 00:33:16.729
three other comic books I've done.

00:33:17.476 --> 00:33:18.615
Shark of War, in fact,

00:33:18.675 --> 00:33:19.816
goes all the way to issue

00:33:19.895 --> 00:33:21.076
eight is available.

00:33:22.676 --> 00:33:25.457
And it's also got a hardcover compilation.

00:33:27.417 --> 00:33:28.837
The Vicious Vixens now has

00:33:28.917 --> 00:33:29.958
three issues out.

00:33:30.057 --> 00:33:32.338
Well, the third issue just came out.

00:33:32.479 --> 00:33:33.358
It's at the printers,

00:33:33.378 --> 00:33:34.439
but the digital copies

00:33:34.479 --> 00:33:35.679
already gone out to people.

00:33:36.159 --> 00:33:38.660
And then I have a horror one

00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:40.220
shot called the Cthulhu Man

00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:42.420
for people who like horror.

00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:45.240
My podcast is littered.

00:33:46.126 --> 00:33:47.211
with hundreds of people that

00:33:47.231 --> 00:33:48.477
are in love with horror boats.

00:33:48.517 --> 00:33:49.781
So that's probably something

00:33:49.801 --> 00:33:51.126
they'd definitely be interested in.

00:33:51.953 --> 00:33:54.095
So, so, so they can, they, people can,

00:33:54.134 --> 00:33:54.915
there are tiers where

00:33:54.935 --> 00:33:55.976
people and add ons where

00:33:56.016 --> 00:33:57.777
people can get all my other books too.

00:33:57.857 --> 00:33:58.117
And I,

00:33:58.238 --> 00:33:59.838
I try to set those at really

00:33:59.919 --> 00:34:01.019
reasonable prices.

00:34:01.098 --> 00:34:02.380
I mean, if you look at my,

00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.662
my per copy price, once you, for,

00:34:04.842 --> 00:34:05.582
for those,

00:34:06.082 --> 00:34:07.163
I think I'm competitive

00:34:07.242 --> 00:34:08.244
actually with Marvel.

00:34:08.284 --> 00:34:09.244
If you'd like buy the whole

00:34:09.284 --> 00:34:10.344
bundle simply because I

00:34:10.385 --> 00:34:11.865
want people to get all my books.

00:34:11.905 --> 00:34:12.485
So I, I,

00:34:12.726 --> 00:34:14.407
I kind of priced them as low as I

00:34:14.447 --> 00:34:15.907
think I possibly can.

00:34:15.927 --> 00:34:16.608
Yeah.

00:34:16.949 --> 00:34:19.030
Um, then, uh, then, uh,

00:34:20.389 --> 00:34:21.630
other thing is there will be

00:34:21.731 --> 00:34:23.210
a back you know normally my

00:34:23.271 --> 00:34:24.811
biggest tears are these be

00:34:24.851 --> 00:34:26.411
in the book tears where

00:34:26.452 --> 00:34:28.313
people get to be thugs or

00:34:28.333 --> 00:34:31.353
you know you know that's

00:34:31.373 --> 00:34:31.994
kind of dope I've seen

00:34:32.014 --> 00:34:32.675
other starters do that as

00:34:32.735 --> 00:34:36.076
well and and and uh and

00:34:36.115 --> 00:34:37.856
vicious vixens you know my

00:34:38.036 --> 00:34:39.777
my best-selling tears are

00:34:39.818 --> 00:34:41.018
this you get to be a thug

00:34:41.038 --> 00:34:42.798
in the book you know who's you know

00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.300
gets killed off or something

00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.041
like that in a violent way.

00:34:48.141 --> 00:34:49.561
And those sell well,

00:34:49.621 --> 00:34:51.842
but the problem with Samson

00:34:51.882 --> 00:34:53.664
is I'm not going to make anybody a Nazi.

00:34:54.103 --> 00:34:55.565
So I only have a couple of D

00:34:55.605 --> 00:34:56.626
in the book tiers here,

00:34:56.646 --> 00:34:58.706
and they're more like cameo appearances,

00:34:58.746 --> 00:34:59.887
like the one who's a

00:34:59.947 --> 00:35:05.489
reporter for a television reporter.

00:35:05.670 --> 00:35:06.610
And then there's a couple

00:35:06.710 --> 00:35:08.050
other minor cameos,

00:35:08.090 --> 00:35:11.373
like a judge at the trial.

00:35:12.052 --> 00:35:13.652
um, who, who can be in the book.

00:35:13.713 --> 00:35:15.793
So unlike, you know, I don't,

00:35:15.932 --> 00:35:17.914
I won't have any of those

00:35:17.994 --> 00:35:19.934
really high value tiers where I could,

00:35:20.134 --> 00:35:20.594
you know, make,

00:35:20.614 --> 00:35:21.474
that's why I need to get a

00:35:21.494 --> 00:35:22.594
lot of people to back.

00:35:23.795 --> 00:35:23.934
Um,

00:35:24.175 --> 00:35:25.476
cause I'm going to be having to make it

00:35:25.516 --> 00:35:27.876
more on, on volume than, than, you know,

00:35:27.916 --> 00:35:28.617
having, you know,

00:35:28.637 --> 00:35:30.297
a few angel backers paying

00:35:30.336 --> 00:35:31.518
five hundred bucks to,

00:35:31.777 --> 00:35:33.438
to be in the book for an

00:35:33.478 --> 00:35:35.239
extended appearance in the book.

00:35:35.318 --> 00:35:36.418
You know, last, you know,

00:35:36.438 --> 00:35:38.780
for last issue of Shark of War, you know,

00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:39.639
um,

00:35:41.148 --> 00:35:44.188
We had one backer who backed

00:35:44.208 --> 00:35:45.489
at a high amount so she

00:35:45.509 --> 00:35:46.889
could be a lab assistant to

00:35:46.909 --> 00:35:48.389
the evil scientist and get

00:35:48.409 --> 00:35:52.690
killed by the monstrous

00:35:52.731 --> 00:35:54.952
creatures the evil scientist is creating.

00:35:54.992 --> 00:35:59.032
But that's an over-the-top evil scientist,

00:35:59.072 --> 00:36:00.532
and these are Nazis,

00:36:00.572 --> 00:36:02.393
so I'm not going to make anybody a Nazi.

00:36:02.414 --> 00:36:05.775
I don't think that would be right at all.

00:36:07.657 --> 00:36:09.038
anybody a holocaust victim

00:36:09.057 --> 00:36:10.260
in the book so you know

00:36:10.340 --> 00:36:12.222
yeah the tears yeah limited

00:36:12.262 --> 00:36:13.844
choices on this one yeah so

00:36:14.063 --> 00:36:15.306
it's really going to rely

00:36:15.346 --> 00:36:16.467
on you know on people just

00:36:16.507 --> 00:36:17.688
wanting to read the story

00:36:17.788 --> 00:36:20.711
and and be part of it I I

00:36:20.731 --> 00:36:21.813
think you know that story

00:36:21.833 --> 00:36:22.893
to a point where

00:36:23.809 --> 00:36:24.688
I don't think that's going

00:36:24.708 --> 00:36:26.429
to really be an issue,

00:36:26.889 --> 00:36:28.929
especially if they take the

00:36:29.190 --> 00:36:30.130
ten minutes out of their

00:36:30.150 --> 00:36:31.610
day to read issue one.

00:36:31.931 --> 00:36:32.751
I think that's.

00:36:33.590 --> 00:36:34.072
Oh, thank you.

00:36:34.492 --> 00:36:36.032
That's a good selling point on it.

00:36:36.331 --> 00:36:39.813
So.

00:36:39.833 --> 00:36:41.172
So how many volumes do you

00:36:41.213 --> 00:36:42.713
envision or how many issues

00:36:42.733 --> 00:36:44.193
do you envision Samson

00:36:44.494 --> 00:36:46.315
being before you decide, OK,

00:36:46.355 --> 00:36:47.494
I think I've run my course

00:36:47.534 --> 00:36:49.175
with Samson because this is

00:36:49.255 --> 00:36:49.994
really a character that

00:36:50.036 --> 00:36:51.735
could keep going if you wanted it to.

00:36:52.565 --> 00:36:56.186
Yeah, my storyline currently has, you know,

00:36:56.246 --> 00:36:57.626
six or seven issues.

00:36:58.226 --> 00:36:59.827
And then I was considering, you know,

00:36:59.907 --> 00:37:01.288
doing, you know, something,

00:37:02.547 --> 00:37:03.648
a spinoff book that would

00:37:03.688 --> 00:37:05.748
be a team book set in that universe.

00:37:07.188 --> 00:37:09.809
The team he's on is mentioned in issue two,

00:37:10.250 --> 00:37:12.791
or he was on is mentioned in issue two.

00:37:13.150 --> 00:37:14.311
And I want to kind of, you know,

00:37:14.764 --> 00:37:15.364
As part of that,

00:37:15.885 --> 00:37:17.427
we would time jump more to

00:37:17.748 --> 00:37:19.289
a closer to the present day.

00:37:19.369 --> 00:37:20.110
Because, you know, like I said,

00:37:20.710 --> 00:37:22.233
this story is kind of an

00:37:22.293 --> 00:37:23.454
epic that runs from World

00:37:23.494 --> 00:37:24.556
War II to the end of the

00:37:24.596 --> 00:37:28.059
Cold War in the early early nineties.

00:37:28.521 --> 00:37:29.322
And I kind of, you know,

00:37:29.362 --> 00:37:30.483
at some point you got to get,

00:37:31.023 --> 00:37:32.025
I'd want to get up more to

00:37:32.085 --> 00:37:34.228
a more closer to the current day,

00:37:34.268 --> 00:37:34.467
you know.

00:37:34.909 --> 00:37:35.951
obviously the universe

00:37:35.990 --> 00:37:36.931
doesn't have to align

00:37:36.990 --> 00:37:38.172
perfectly between these

00:37:38.192 --> 00:37:39.152
things and they'll probably

00:37:39.172 --> 00:37:41.153
yeah playing around time

00:37:41.253 --> 00:37:42.074
that's a great thing about

00:37:42.094 --> 00:37:43.675
a comic book right you can

00:37:43.695 --> 00:37:45.456
play with time but but I

00:37:45.577 --> 00:37:46.536
you know I kind of view

00:37:46.577 --> 00:37:47.938
this this world is not

00:37:48.177 --> 00:37:49.759
totally a mirror of our own

00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:50.539
but you know you want to

00:37:50.579 --> 00:37:52.561
have it you know I'm always

00:37:52.661 --> 00:37:53.802
the believer that that you

00:37:53.822 --> 00:37:55.242
know comic book universe

00:37:55.262 --> 00:37:56.744
should be exact duplicate

00:37:56.804 --> 00:37:58.204
of of our world once the

00:37:58.244 --> 00:37:59.585
superheroes start really

00:37:59.626 --> 00:38:00.887
taking off because you know

00:38:01.873 --> 00:38:02.635
That's one of the things I

00:38:02.655 --> 00:38:04.536
always thought interesting about Marvel.

00:38:04.596 --> 00:38:04.815
You know,

00:38:04.835 --> 00:38:06.358
if we lived in the Marvel universe,

00:38:06.398 --> 00:38:09.940
presumably the technology level would be,

00:38:10.041 --> 00:38:10.260
you know,

00:38:10.460 --> 00:38:12.563
way above what we're living with now.

00:38:12.583 --> 00:38:14.885
And it'd be a much different world.

00:38:15.025 --> 00:38:15.224
You know,

00:38:15.264 --> 00:38:16.766
when you kind of see some of that with,

00:38:16.826 --> 00:38:18.688
you know, the Watchmen and...

00:38:19.128 --> 00:38:19.929
books like that where they

00:38:19.989 --> 00:38:21.070
actually look at that.

00:38:21.710 --> 00:38:21.849
Um,

00:38:22.090 --> 00:38:25.193
whereas DC and we got all the different

00:38:25.393 --> 00:38:27.835
earths in DC and there's a

00:38:27.875 --> 00:38:29.014
new earth popping up.

00:38:29.815 --> 00:38:30.335
Jeez.

00:38:30.376 --> 00:38:32.318
Like once or twice a year, I guess,

00:38:32.358 --> 00:38:32.697
you know?

00:38:32.938 --> 00:38:35.940
Yeah.

00:38:35.981 --> 00:38:36.501
Yeah.

00:38:36.521 --> 00:38:37.822
I think planetary also,

00:38:37.862 --> 00:38:38.402
but I don't know if you

00:38:38.461 --> 00:38:40.063
read Warren Ellis's planetary,

00:38:40.123 --> 00:38:40.884
he kind of looked at that.

00:38:42.445 --> 00:38:44.347
Well, the, the irony there was the, the,

00:38:44.407 --> 00:38:44.646
you know,

00:38:44.666 --> 00:38:46.447
he had a fantastic four knockoff

00:38:46.467 --> 00:38:47.429
in planetary and,

00:38:48.751 --> 00:38:50.411
And they were bad guys, though.

00:38:51.411 --> 00:38:52.452
And the point he was making

00:38:52.472 --> 00:38:53.632
was they were hogging all

00:38:53.652 --> 00:38:55.153
this technology they had

00:38:55.534 --> 00:38:57.574
and not sharing it with the rest of us.

00:38:57.594 --> 00:38:59.635
And you can kind of see he's

00:38:59.675 --> 00:39:01.056
making a similar critique

00:39:01.076 --> 00:39:02.155
of the actual Marvel

00:39:02.195 --> 00:39:03.416
Fantastic Four because they

00:39:03.436 --> 00:39:05.416
have all this fantastic technology.

00:39:05.777 --> 00:39:07.378
And the rest of us don't

00:39:07.438 --> 00:39:09.099
have fantastic cars and

00:39:09.438 --> 00:39:12.179
unlimited energy and stuff like that.

00:39:12.831 --> 00:39:14.032
they kind of always you know

00:39:14.052 --> 00:39:15.431
hand wave it off by saying

00:39:15.452 --> 00:39:16.592
oh it's it's really

00:39:16.632 --> 00:39:18.253
expensive or you can we can

00:39:18.273 --> 00:39:19.313
only make it yeah tiny

00:39:19.333 --> 00:39:22.275
quantities but you know

00:39:22.755 --> 00:39:23.615
that's what we need you

00:39:23.635 --> 00:39:24.976
know that is I've I've

00:39:25.077 --> 00:39:26.038
thought about that before

00:39:26.057 --> 00:39:26.878
I'm like we don't have

00:39:26.938 --> 00:39:29.358
enough like bad guy comic

00:39:29.398 --> 00:39:30.599
books where the villain is

00:39:30.619 --> 00:39:32.081
kind of like the star of

00:39:32.121 --> 00:39:33.481
the book now we get one

00:39:33.501 --> 00:39:34.601
shots here and there of a

00:39:34.702 --> 00:39:36.563
book about a villain I

00:39:36.603 --> 00:39:38.864
think batman is one though

00:39:38.903 --> 00:39:40.224
dc is getting ready to do

00:39:41.896 --> 00:39:43.617
a series on the bad guys

00:39:44.338 --> 00:39:45.119
where they're getting their

00:39:45.179 --> 00:39:46.380
own little individual runs

00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:47.800
of books just about them,

00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.001
which I think is a really dope concept.

00:39:50.021 --> 00:39:51.121
But there's just no comic

00:39:51.141 --> 00:39:51.983
book out there that I can

00:39:52.003 --> 00:39:53.063
think of off the top of my

00:39:53.123 --> 00:39:56.885
head that's just a book about a bad guy.

00:39:57.045 --> 00:39:58.346
Now we got some anti-heroes

00:39:58.365 --> 00:39:59.746
like Deadpool and Lobo and

00:39:59.786 --> 00:40:00.646
that kind of stuff,

00:40:01.568 --> 00:40:04.389
but nothing that's like the

00:40:04.469 --> 00:40:05.969
villain causing chaos.

00:40:06.431 --> 00:40:06.710
Yeah.

00:40:08.621 --> 00:40:09.543
There's nothing like that.

00:40:10.242 --> 00:40:10.443
To me,

00:40:10.463 --> 00:40:11.284
that would be something that would

00:40:11.324 --> 00:40:11.864
be really cool.

00:40:11.884 --> 00:40:14.766
The ones I can think of,

00:40:15.746 --> 00:40:17.106
if you've read some of Mark

00:40:17.146 --> 00:40:19.688
Waid's non-Marvel work,

00:40:19.889 --> 00:40:21.230
I think it was Mark Waid,

00:40:21.269 --> 00:40:23.891
he did Irredeemable about a

00:40:23.911 --> 00:40:25.871
Superman kind of guy who

00:40:26.972 --> 00:40:30.335
went nuts and started wiping people out.

00:40:31.184 --> 00:40:33.027
um that that was kind of one

00:40:33.047 --> 00:40:33.967
though a lot of the focus

00:40:34.007 --> 00:40:34.768
on that one was on the

00:40:34.809 --> 00:40:36.170
people trying to stop him

00:40:36.251 --> 00:40:38.974
but he was still the the

00:40:38.994 --> 00:40:40.416
probably the main character

00:40:40.777 --> 00:40:43.280
um you know if you've seen

00:40:43.340 --> 00:40:44.483
read in just I guess the

00:40:44.523 --> 00:40:46.505
biggest thing would be injustice yeah

00:40:48.088 --> 00:40:49.030
which I thought was really

00:40:49.070 --> 00:40:50.731
good for like the first two seasons.

00:40:50.791 --> 00:40:52.753
And then I kind of went off

00:40:52.773 --> 00:40:55.856
the rails when he became too evil.

00:40:56.536 --> 00:40:58.199
He was like the right amount

00:40:58.219 --> 00:40:59.400
of evil at the start.

00:40:59.420 --> 00:41:01.342
And then he just kind of went and became,

00:41:01.422 --> 00:41:01.681
you know.

00:41:02.802 --> 00:41:05.083
I enjoyed the – I didn't

00:41:05.143 --> 00:41:06.664
enjoy the comic book so much,

00:41:06.704 --> 00:41:08.266
but I did enjoy the fact

00:41:08.286 --> 00:41:09.786
that the video games they

00:41:09.806 --> 00:41:11.188
made based off of Injustice

00:41:11.367 --> 00:41:13.228
were really – it was the

00:41:13.268 --> 00:41:14.949
comic books and video game format.

00:41:14.969 --> 00:41:15.869
You know what I'm saying?

00:41:16.030 --> 00:41:16.670
Yeah.

00:41:16.751 --> 00:41:17.911
I did play the video games.

00:41:17.971 --> 00:41:18.592
I loved them.

00:41:18.771 --> 00:41:20.592
I played both of them when they came out,

00:41:21.512 --> 00:41:23.855
and I enjoyed the hell out

00:41:23.914 --> 00:41:25.094
of those because the story

00:41:25.114 --> 00:41:29.237
was just so good in –

00:41:27.563 --> 00:41:29.465
And they were able to play

00:41:29.505 --> 00:41:30.706
with the story a little bit

00:41:30.746 --> 00:41:31.847
from the comic book,

00:41:32.447 --> 00:41:33.789
but I really enjoyed the

00:41:33.809 --> 00:41:35.791
way they did the games more

00:41:35.831 --> 00:41:37.594
so than the comic books themselves.

00:41:38.574 --> 00:41:39.936
But no, you're right about Injustice.

00:41:40.817 --> 00:41:41.498
That's a good one.

00:41:43.918 --> 00:41:45.581
But so let's talk about the covers.

00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.882
Like I did put you sent me

00:41:47.902 --> 00:41:50.226
you sent me the like, hey, the covers.

00:41:50.686 --> 00:41:51.387
But let's talk about it.

00:41:51.407 --> 00:41:53.188
So you got a Supergirl homage coming.

00:41:54.090 --> 00:41:55.090
And then you got two other

00:41:55.130 --> 00:41:56.492
covers inspired by both

00:41:56.572 --> 00:41:59.155
Jack Kirby and Frank Quietly.

00:41:59.175 --> 00:41:59.956
Right.

00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:03.501
So who come up with the

00:42:03.541 --> 00:42:05.463
concepts to kind of use

00:42:05.503 --> 00:42:06.983
those three particular ones?

00:42:07.143 --> 00:42:08.125
Or was that something like

00:42:08.784 --> 00:42:10.326
your cover artist said, hey,

00:42:10.967 --> 00:42:12.867
what do you think about these homages?

00:42:13.429 --> 00:42:14.809
The artist wanted to really

00:42:14.829 --> 00:42:16.871
do a Kirby style cover.

00:42:17.391 --> 00:42:18.472
And I really wanted to have

00:42:18.492 --> 00:42:21.193
a cover showing, you know, the Uber Kong,

00:42:23.135 --> 00:42:23.936
you know,

00:42:27.318 --> 00:42:27.838
throw up.

00:42:27.898 --> 00:42:29.760
So that kind of, that's kind of where,

00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:30.922
where it came there.

00:42:30.981 --> 00:42:32.822
So that, that's kind of what the,

00:42:32.882 --> 00:42:35.425
that cover came, how that cover came out.

00:42:36.242 --> 00:42:37.884
For the other cover,

00:42:38.003 --> 00:42:39.545
I basically went and looked

00:42:39.585 --> 00:42:42.186
at some different covers

00:42:42.226 --> 00:42:43.487
with Supergirl on them.

00:42:44.188 --> 00:42:47.670
There's plenty of them out there.

00:42:47.710 --> 00:42:47.871
Well,

00:42:47.911 --> 00:42:49.592
I wanted ones with both Supergirl and

00:42:49.632 --> 00:42:50.112
Superman,

00:42:50.132 --> 00:42:52.213
and I wanted ones that looked good.

00:42:52.273 --> 00:42:55.356
There's some that look better than others,

00:42:55.396 --> 00:42:57.297
and I came up with three or four.

00:42:57.969 --> 00:42:59.630
and, and he kind of liked that.

00:42:59.670 --> 00:43:01.833
The one I, we chose as being the, the,

00:43:01.972 --> 00:43:03.114
the best one to, to,

00:43:03.273 --> 00:43:04.974
to do a cover homage on.

00:43:05.496 --> 00:43:07.536
And then for the quietly cover,

00:43:07.597 --> 00:43:09.137
I wanted one that focused on,

00:43:09.557 --> 00:43:11.820
on her and he's, you know,

00:43:11.860 --> 00:43:13.021
he suggested kind of

00:43:13.041 --> 00:43:14.742
something inspired by that,

00:43:14.902 --> 00:43:18.105
that cut by that, that cover with, uh,

00:43:18.184 --> 00:43:20.726
and it's actually the quietly covers from,

00:43:20.967 --> 00:43:22.547
uh, from that, um,

00:43:22.568 --> 00:43:23.809
what's the name of the series now,

00:43:24.489 --> 00:43:26.931
the Superman series that he did with, uh,

00:43:28.318 --> 00:43:29.318
was it Grant Morrison?

00:43:29.338 --> 00:43:29.498
Yeah.

00:43:29.518 --> 00:43:29.639
Okay.

00:43:29.739 --> 00:43:30.159
Yeah.

00:43:30.358 --> 00:43:30.759
I know.

00:43:30.938 --> 00:43:32.079
Yeah.

00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:34.579
And it's actually him and

00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:36.121
it's Superman and

00:43:36.181 --> 00:43:40.282
Superwoman when Lois gets powers here.

00:43:41.083 --> 00:43:42.302
I know exactly what Ren

00:43:42.322 --> 00:43:42.983
you're talking about.

00:43:43.864 --> 00:43:45.003
The relationship between

00:43:45.103 --> 00:43:46.585
Samson and the Omega Girl

00:43:46.625 --> 00:43:49.045
is not like either Supergirl or

00:43:49.713 --> 00:43:50.574
His relationship with either

00:43:50.614 --> 00:43:53.336
Supergirl or Lois Lane,

00:43:53.376 --> 00:43:54.036
it's something quite

00:43:54.077 --> 00:43:55.559
different that will be

00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:57.121
explained in issue two.

00:43:57.141 --> 00:43:57.641
But, you know,

00:43:57.721 --> 00:43:59.443
I think it's very it'll be a

00:43:59.503 --> 00:44:00.603
very interesting and

00:44:01.264 --> 00:44:04.068
poignant part of the story.

00:44:04.911 --> 00:44:05.132
You know,

00:44:05.172 --> 00:44:06.672
while we're talking about the art

00:44:07.153 --> 00:44:07.653
of this book,

00:44:08.173 --> 00:44:10.096
go ahead and who's doing

00:44:10.115 --> 00:44:11.115
your covers and who's doing

00:44:11.135 --> 00:44:11.896
your interiors?

00:44:12.797 --> 00:44:14.679
Right now, Nico Turan's doing everything.

00:44:18.081 --> 00:44:19.882
He's been my vicious vixens artist.

00:44:19.902 --> 00:44:20.882
So he's probably the artist

00:44:21.262 --> 00:44:22.304
I've worked with the most.

00:44:22.903 --> 00:44:24.565
And I really liked his work.

00:44:24.644 --> 00:44:26.847
And we have the artists I've worked with,

00:44:26.947 --> 00:44:29.648
you know, him and my Shark of War artist,

00:44:30.168 --> 00:44:31.409
Heartstroke, you know,

00:44:31.931 --> 00:44:32.632
you know,

00:44:32.652 --> 00:44:33.672
that I've had the best

00:44:33.773 --> 00:44:35.293
interaction with in terms

00:44:35.333 --> 00:44:36.713
of working together and

00:44:36.833 --> 00:44:38.235
which is why I wanted to

00:44:38.335 --> 00:44:39.954
have used him for this issue.

00:44:40.755 --> 00:44:42.255
He's very easy to work with.

00:44:42.356 --> 00:44:44.396
He's also, you know, to be honest,

00:44:44.456 --> 00:44:45.077
affordable.

00:44:45.336 --> 00:44:47.097
I think he gives me a much

00:44:47.157 --> 00:44:49.478
better rate than he should actually,

00:44:49.498 --> 00:44:51.260
cause he, I hope he doesn't watch this.

00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:52.440
Fortunately, he's in England.

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:54.081
Probably won't see it,

00:44:54.101 --> 00:44:55.862
but- I got friends in

00:44:55.882 --> 00:44:58.182
England that watches though.

00:44:58.443 --> 00:44:59.023
Who knows?

00:44:59.503 --> 00:45:00.664
he gives me a much better

00:45:00.704 --> 00:45:01.905
rate than he probably should,

00:45:02.085 --> 00:45:04.987
which helps cover my costs.

00:45:05.108 --> 00:45:06.869
And he's fast too,

00:45:06.909 --> 00:45:09.630
which gets these projects done in time.

00:45:09.690 --> 00:45:11.193
I'd say he's probably my

00:45:11.233 --> 00:45:12.653
quickest artist as well in

00:45:12.713 --> 00:45:13.735
terms of turnaround.

00:45:14.896 --> 00:45:16.177
So that, you know,

00:45:16.836 --> 00:45:18.458
I pride myself on always

00:45:18.498 --> 00:45:20.340
getting my books out ahead of schedule.

00:45:20.420 --> 00:45:22.141
You know, it's my fourteenth book.

00:45:22.161 --> 00:45:22.561
So I've

00:45:23.902 --> 00:45:25.023
plan on getting that's a lot

00:45:25.043 --> 00:45:26.005
of books for somebody who

00:45:26.045 --> 00:45:27.485
runs kit starter campaigns

00:45:27.505 --> 00:45:30.168
yeah yeah and you know so I

00:45:30.188 --> 00:45:31.748
I do you know every year I

00:45:31.809 --> 00:45:33.750
try and do I I hope to do

00:45:33.809 --> 00:45:35.070
four or five I wind up

00:45:35.110 --> 00:45:37.373
doing three or so and hey

00:45:37.393 --> 00:45:38.514
that's still a book a

00:45:38.614 --> 00:45:40.315
quarter almost yeah you

00:45:40.335 --> 00:45:43.237
know so that's still really

00:45:44.438 --> 00:45:45.980
really good considering

00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.601
that it's I've seen some

00:45:49.802 --> 00:45:51.103
campaigns you know take a

00:45:51.163 --> 00:45:52.925
year to produce right

00:45:53.806 --> 00:45:56.168
Yeah, I understand that people, you know,

00:45:57.210 --> 00:45:58.090
people have been burned on

00:45:58.152 --> 00:45:59.152
Kickstarters before.

00:45:59.193 --> 00:45:59.713
And I, you know,

00:46:00.233 --> 00:46:01.536
I really want people not to

00:46:02.556 --> 00:46:04.239
feel that way about any of mine.

00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.422
I was proud to get a creator

00:46:07.463 --> 00:46:08.744
we love kind of badge.

00:46:09.672 --> 00:46:10.634
from Kickstarter because

00:46:10.653 --> 00:46:11.675
enough people were, I guess,

00:46:11.735 --> 00:46:13.577
thumbing thumbs up on my campaign.

00:46:13.637 --> 00:46:14.038
Yeah.

00:46:14.237 --> 00:46:16.139
And people don't realize

00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:17.081
that those little small

00:46:17.101 --> 00:46:18.282
things like that really

00:46:18.422 --> 00:46:21.826
impact what you do on Kickstarter.

00:46:22.286 --> 00:46:23.427
Because I've seen artists

00:46:23.487 --> 00:46:24.288
also kicked off a

00:46:24.327 --> 00:46:25.869
Kickstarter for not meeting.

00:46:26.411 --> 00:46:26.731
Right.

00:46:26.791 --> 00:46:28.413
You know what they promised.

00:46:29.172 --> 00:46:31.396
So getting that little badge is like.

00:46:31.735 --> 00:46:32.056
Yeah.

00:46:32.836 --> 00:46:34.239
yeah it's an easy thing to

00:46:34.318 --> 00:46:36.342
get but if the people

00:46:36.402 --> 00:46:37.684
aren't saying like hey I

00:46:37.704 --> 00:46:38.826
love this book and giving

00:46:38.865 --> 00:46:40.608
you that thumbs up on there

00:46:41.248 --> 00:46:42.871
it really does impact you

00:46:44.094 --> 00:46:46.257
yeah yeah it helps to have

00:46:46.277 --> 00:46:47.498
to have that you know a

00:46:47.518 --> 00:46:49.161
good reputation because you know like

00:46:49.773 --> 00:46:51.434
You know, you're relying on, you know,

00:46:51.635 --> 00:46:52.835
as a percent of backers,

00:46:52.956 --> 00:46:54.235
the people who backed me

00:46:54.275 --> 00:46:56.117
before backing me this time

00:46:56.197 --> 00:46:58.818
are probably fifty to sixty,

00:46:59.219 --> 00:47:00.679
maybe seventy percent of

00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:03.280
the people that are backers

00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:05.001
who backed me in the past, you know,

00:47:05.021 --> 00:47:06.001
not new backers,

00:47:06.621 --> 00:47:08.003
which is what I'm always trying.

00:47:08.043 --> 00:47:10.443
That's what you're here to do, though.

00:47:10.503 --> 00:47:12.085
Bringing in new backers.

00:47:12.164 --> 00:47:13.385
It's really hard, though.

00:47:13.405 --> 00:47:14.846
I mean, it's gotten harder, I think.

00:47:15.146 --> 00:47:16.166
I don't know if there's

00:47:16.186 --> 00:47:17.226
something changing about

00:47:17.266 --> 00:47:18.927
the overall economy or just

00:47:20.188 --> 00:47:23.090
I think that's the biggest play in it.

00:47:23.371 --> 00:47:25.251
And right now is what's

00:47:25.291 --> 00:47:26.793
going on with the economy

00:47:26.853 --> 00:47:28.273
and less suspendable income

00:47:28.313 --> 00:47:29.954
for people who would

00:47:30.014 --> 00:47:32.556
normally be buying comic books.

00:47:32.637 --> 00:47:34.938
Right.

00:47:34.978 --> 00:47:36.518
Which I hate to see that, you know,

00:47:36.539 --> 00:47:36.759
I do too.

00:47:36.778 --> 00:47:37.619
And, and, and I think, you know,

00:47:40.065 --> 00:47:41.266
So, so you always got to try.

00:47:41.447 --> 00:47:42.927
So I always lose some people

00:47:42.947 --> 00:47:44.809
who backed in the past and, you know,

00:47:44.869 --> 00:47:45.570
I don't get a hundred

00:47:45.610 --> 00:47:46.831
percent return by any,

00:47:46.971 --> 00:47:48.813
by any stretch of the imagination, but.

00:47:48.853 --> 00:47:50.554
No, but if you're getting a good, you know,

00:47:50.574 --> 00:47:51.275
if you're getting like a

00:47:51.375 --> 00:47:53.295
fifty to sixty to seventy

00:47:53.315 --> 00:47:55.918
percent return from backers, that,

00:47:56.077 --> 00:47:57.338
that says a lot about you

00:47:57.458 --> 00:47:59.079
and what you put out to the public.

00:47:59.119 --> 00:47:59.380
So.

00:47:59.420 --> 00:48:01.322
Well, I, I hope so.

00:48:01.382 --> 00:48:03.403
You know, I, I hope people will, you know,

00:48:03.463 --> 00:48:04.724
new people check it out.

00:48:04.764 --> 00:48:06.146
And that, that's always, like I said,

00:48:06.186 --> 00:48:07.746
the hard thing too is, you know,

00:48:08.740 --> 00:48:09.621
the hard thing about being

00:48:09.641 --> 00:48:10.943
an indie creator is your

00:48:11.003 --> 00:48:13.804
reach you know you know

00:48:13.885 --> 00:48:15.146
it's always so it's so

00:48:15.206 --> 00:48:16.427
limited you've got a very

00:48:16.487 --> 00:48:19.250
small view you know where

00:48:19.309 --> 00:48:21.092
you know when somebody you

00:48:21.112 --> 00:48:22.632
know with a name like you

00:48:22.693 --> 00:48:24.815
know keanu reeves or uh

00:48:24.875 --> 00:48:26.715
brandon sanderson puts out

00:48:26.755 --> 00:48:28.197
a book on kickstarter you

00:48:28.217 --> 00:48:29.438
know they they're gonna go

00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:30.739
I think that's how bizarre

00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:31.900
actually started huh

00:48:32.585 --> 00:48:33.905
that's how berserker started

00:48:34.005 --> 00:48:35.907
yeah yeah that's what that

00:48:35.927 --> 00:48:36.989
was my that's what again I

00:48:37.009 --> 00:48:38.130
was referring to berserker

00:48:38.570 --> 00:48:40.711
um he uh you know you know

00:48:40.811 --> 00:48:43.715
obviously yeah once he put

00:48:43.815 --> 00:48:44.876
puts that book out on

00:48:44.936 --> 00:48:45.956
kickstarter you know it's

00:48:45.976 --> 00:48:46.938
gonna everybody's gonna

00:48:46.978 --> 00:48:48.878
hear about it you know

00:48:48.918 --> 00:48:49.860
people who aren't in the

00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:51.322
kickstarter ecosystem are

00:48:51.382 --> 00:48:52.382
gonna hear about it and

00:48:52.402 --> 00:48:53.242
they're gonna go and that's

00:48:53.262 --> 00:48:54.945
the thing you gotta

00:48:55.425 --> 00:48:56.545
like for me I've had to go

00:48:56.626 --> 00:48:58.686
into kickstarter and the

00:48:58.706 --> 00:48:59.967
way I've done it is I kind

00:49:00.007 --> 00:49:01.286
of like when you select

00:49:01.306 --> 00:49:02.507
your selecting interest and

00:49:02.547 --> 00:49:04.547
stuff like that you really

00:49:04.588 --> 00:49:06.429
have to be on top of it and

00:49:06.469 --> 00:49:07.309
you really have to be

00:49:07.369 --> 00:49:08.789
following the social medias

00:49:08.829 --> 00:49:11.090
to really know when

00:49:11.130 --> 00:49:12.110
kickstarters are coming up

00:49:12.150 --> 00:49:13.652
and what I've kind of

00:49:14.775 --> 00:49:16.815
like you reached out to me to say, Hey,

00:49:16.835 --> 00:49:17.976
can I come on the podcast

00:49:17.996 --> 00:49:19.215
and talk about my new book?

00:49:19.795 --> 00:49:20.797
And that's what I want.

00:49:20.956 --> 00:49:22.217
That's what I'm trying to do

00:49:22.317 --> 00:49:24.016
here for comic book

00:49:24.056 --> 00:49:26.097
creators for Kickstarter or

00:49:26.117 --> 00:49:27.197
just comic book creators in

00:49:27.297 --> 00:49:29.619
general is like, Hey,

00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:30.739
this is a place where you

00:49:30.778 --> 00:49:32.280
can come on and we can talk

00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:33.840
about how you got into this

00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:35.900
and what you're trying to

00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:36.960
achieve with what you're

00:49:37.021 --> 00:49:38.721
trying to do on Kickstarter.

00:49:39.481 --> 00:49:40.161
And to me,

00:49:43.097 --> 00:49:43.818
I feel like I'm doing

00:49:43.878 --> 00:49:44.639
something right when

00:49:44.818 --> 00:49:46.659
artists are reaching out to me and going,

00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:47.000
hey,

00:49:47.579 --> 00:49:49.621
can I come on the USDM podcast and

00:49:49.641 --> 00:49:51.302
talk about my new Kickstarter campaign?

00:49:51.322 --> 00:49:54.103
The answer is almost always yes.

00:49:55.465 --> 00:49:57.184
The only thing I ever ask is

00:49:58.806 --> 00:49:59.686
communicate with me.

00:49:59.726 --> 00:50:00.686
Let me know what's going on.

00:50:00.907 --> 00:50:01.927
I've had several people

00:50:01.987 --> 00:50:04.068
reach out and just like, hey,

00:50:04.248 --> 00:50:05.130
I would love to come on and

00:50:05.170 --> 00:50:06.371
talk about a project I got.

00:50:06.431 --> 00:50:07.030
I'm like, cool.

00:50:07.431 --> 00:50:08.512
What's your dates look like?

00:50:08.572 --> 00:50:09.072
I'm open.

00:50:09.692 --> 00:50:10.773
My daughter's in college.

00:50:12.387 --> 00:50:15.369
And literally that's, I have no holdups.

00:50:15.449 --> 00:50:16.769
I can do this at any point

00:50:16.909 --> 00:50:18.811
at any given day, you know,

00:50:18.831 --> 00:50:20.231
unless I'm outside mowing the lawn,

00:50:20.893 --> 00:50:21.253
you know?

00:50:21.333 --> 00:50:22.974
So I literally just say, Hey,

00:50:23.014 --> 00:50:24.054
tell me when you want to

00:50:24.074 --> 00:50:25.536
come on and I can make that

00:50:25.576 --> 00:50:26.717
happen because I haven't,

00:50:28.103 --> 00:50:29.463
my nine to five I come home

00:50:29.583 --> 00:50:31.045
and I work on podcast stuff

00:50:31.664 --> 00:50:32.766
so for me it's like just

00:50:32.945 --> 00:50:34.427
say when and we can make

00:50:34.447 --> 00:50:35.907
this happen at any time and

00:50:36.047 --> 00:50:38.329
I try to tell people that

00:50:38.389 --> 00:50:39.650
when they initially email

00:50:39.670 --> 00:50:40.811
me it's like and I think I

00:50:40.831 --> 00:50:41.530
did the same for you I'm

00:50:41.550 --> 00:50:42.552
like hey what's your

00:50:42.572 --> 00:50:43.873
availability let's let's

00:50:43.893 --> 00:50:45.653
knock it out yeah I'm

00:50:45.693 --> 00:50:47.215
retired from my day jobs

00:50:47.335 --> 00:50:48.775
now so I've retired from

00:50:48.896 --> 00:50:50.516
one day job already I'm on

00:50:50.536 --> 00:50:52.478
number two this is this I

00:50:52.577 --> 00:50:54.059
I'm mostly focused on this

00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:56.320
and you know you know others you know

00:50:57.568 --> 00:50:57.909
wife.

00:50:58.148 --> 00:51:00.110
My kids are out of college

00:51:00.150 --> 00:51:01.391
and they're on their own

00:51:01.411 --> 00:51:02.192
for the most part.

00:51:04.514 --> 00:51:06.235
I can do this.

00:51:06.355 --> 00:51:07.135
I'm available.

00:51:08.836 --> 00:51:09.777
Anybody ever wants to talk

00:51:09.818 --> 00:51:10.737
to me about my comics,

00:51:11.338 --> 00:51:13.500
I'm available probably twenty-four seven.

00:51:15.422 --> 00:51:16.503
I've got an Australian

00:51:16.543 --> 00:51:18.983
podcast I'm going on in a couple of weeks,

00:51:19.063 --> 00:51:19.445
I think.

00:51:20.525 --> 00:51:21.786
We're working out the time

00:51:21.826 --> 00:51:23.467
difference about when I

00:51:23.487 --> 00:51:25.188
would be on and when he would be on.

00:51:25.869 --> 00:51:27.969
Bruno Caterina is in England.

00:51:27.989 --> 00:51:29.090
Yeah.

00:51:29.170 --> 00:51:30.030
And I've interviewed him

00:51:30.090 --> 00:51:33.472
twice for both his last two programs.

00:51:35.192 --> 00:51:37.072
Cinematic Figments and

00:51:37.893 --> 00:51:39.634
Bereavement were the two

00:51:39.673 --> 00:51:40.974
that I've interviewed him for.

00:51:41.253 --> 00:51:42.994
And like anytime he gets

00:51:43.014 --> 00:51:44.235
ready to launch a new book,

00:51:44.655 --> 00:51:45.976
like the first thing he does is like,

00:51:46.735 --> 00:51:47.295
Hey, chairman,

00:51:47.335 --> 00:51:48.516
when can I come on and talk

00:51:48.556 --> 00:51:49.076
about this book?

00:51:49.096 --> 00:51:49.936
I'm like, Bruno, you know,

00:51:49.976 --> 00:51:51.177
the rules do just give me a

00:51:51.217 --> 00:51:52.197
time and a day and we'll

00:51:52.217 --> 00:51:53.956
make it happen for us.

00:51:53.976 --> 00:51:56.197
That's why I usually I like this ten a.m.

00:51:56.237 --> 00:51:57.797
on a Saturday time spot

00:51:58.197 --> 00:51:59.257
because it worked out for him.

00:51:59.318 --> 00:51:59.778
I'm like, well,

00:51:59.858 --> 00:52:00.619
it can probably work out

00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:01.818
for guys in America, too,

00:52:01.858 --> 00:52:03.539
because we're waking up.

00:52:03.579 --> 00:52:04.478
We've had our breakfast.

00:52:04.498 --> 00:52:05.639
We're drinking our coffee,

00:52:05.900 --> 00:52:08.159
our second cup of coffee in my case.

00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:11.740
And that pets are fed and, you know, we're

00:52:12.481 --> 00:52:14.141
to me it's a good time we

00:52:14.181 --> 00:52:15.382
may not get viewers but we

00:52:15.402 --> 00:52:16.302
will get the listeners

00:52:16.342 --> 00:52:18.501
later on when he goes live

00:52:18.581 --> 00:52:22.902
next week and um I just

00:52:22.963 --> 00:52:24.623
really like that time frame

00:52:24.702 --> 00:52:26.143
of ten a.m on a saturday

00:52:26.184 --> 00:52:28.083
for me and it usually works

00:52:28.123 --> 00:52:29.284
out for other guests too

00:52:29.784 --> 00:52:31.585
yeah I'm not in a rush to

00:52:31.625 --> 00:52:32.864
leave the house on a

00:52:32.925 --> 00:52:34.565
saturday morning so I gotta

00:52:34.605 --> 00:52:36.065
move I'm mowing lawn today

00:52:36.106 --> 00:52:37.885
so I mean for me it's kind of like

00:52:38.956 --> 00:52:40.436
I'm just delaying what I got

00:52:40.476 --> 00:52:43.340
to do in a good way, you know,

00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:44.181
because this is something

00:52:44.221 --> 00:52:46.503
that I really enjoy doing

00:52:46.643 --> 00:52:48.224
is I'm glad I'm with

00:52:48.364 --> 00:52:51.507
artists and creators.

00:52:51.626 --> 00:52:53.369
And see, that helps me out, you know,

00:52:53.389 --> 00:52:54.469
because I know Bruno,

00:52:54.710 --> 00:52:56.692
he loves like after he's came on,

00:52:56.731 --> 00:52:57.713
he goes and it's like, hey,

00:52:57.753 --> 00:52:59.534
if you guys have a project

00:52:59.994 --> 00:53:00.934
and you want to talk about it,

00:53:00.994 --> 00:53:02.577
this guy is your guy to go to.

00:53:02.637 --> 00:53:03.717
And that makes me happy.

00:53:04.338 --> 00:53:05.940
It puts a smile on my face that.

00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:09.003
I'm that guy for him,

00:53:09.244 --> 00:53:10.228
and I want to be that guy

00:53:10.268 --> 00:53:11.351
for others as well.

00:53:14.092 --> 00:53:15.193
Yeah, that's great.

00:53:15.233 --> 00:53:16.353
When I started, you know,

00:53:16.373 --> 00:53:18.054
I did Shark of War five years ago,

00:53:18.155 --> 00:53:18.894
I found, you know,

00:53:19.474 --> 00:53:21.315
a number of people to do some reviews.

00:53:21.496 --> 00:53:22.235
Well, not a number,

00:53:22.257 --> 00:53:23.717
but a few people to do some reviews.

00:53:24.117 --> 00:53:24.757
And most of those,

00:53:25.277 --> 00:53:26.297
a lot of those websites are

00:53:26.318 --> 00:53:27.559
gone now and they're not

00:53:27.699 --> 00:53:28.858
they're not doing it still.

00:53:28.918 --> 00:53:29.320
So, you know,

00:53:30.019 --> 00:53:33.721
having somebody who's blasting and,

00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:34.101
you know,

00:53:34.121 --> 00:53:36.041
doing this regularly and still

00:53:36.061 --> 00:53:37.822
doing this is very helpful.

00:53:37.842 --> 00:53:38.983
If this could be my full

00:53:39.023 --> 00:53:40.364
time job to where I just

00:53:40.384 --> 00:53:41.565
get to sit around and

00:53:42.244 --> 00:53:44.806
review comic books and

00:53:44.947 --> 00:53:46.648
interview comic creators

00:53:46.909 --> 00:53:48.670
man I would my day job

00:53:48.690 --> 00:53:51.853
would be done yesterday but

00:53:51.914 --> 00:53:55.097
that I do I still this my

00:53:55.137 --> 00:53:56.358
passion lies with

00:53:57.824 --> 00:53:59.387
Knowing that people trust me

00:53:59.447 --> 00:54:01.668
enough to send me their

00:54:01.728 --> 00:54:04.172
hard work for an honest review.

00:54:05.233 --> 00:54:06.054
And I had to tell somebody

00:54:06.074 --> 00:54:07.576
that the other day as well.

00:54:07.615 --> 00:54:09.717
I'm like, hey, you know, I'm like,

00:54:09.757 --> 00:54:10.478
I'm not sure what you're

00:54:10.498 --> 00:54:11.179
trying to ask me.

00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:12.820
But usually if you message me,

00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:14.302
you either have a book

00:54:14.342 --> 00:54:16.164
ready to be reviewed and

00:54:16.184 --> 00:54:17.166
you want me to review it

00:54:17.206 --> 00:54:18.186
for you and have you on the

00:54:18.246 --> 00:54:19.688
podcast to talk about it.

00:54:20.791 --> 00:54:21.851
Or you're asking me for some

00:54:21.871 --> 00:54:23.112
type of input like, hey,

00:54:23.592 --> 00:54:24.811
check out this book.

00:54:25.572 --> 00:54:26.831
What do you think about it?

00:54:30.293 --> 00:54:31.753
What can I tweak to make it?

00:54:32.994 --> 00:54:34.393
And that's what I like to do.

00:54:36.155 --> 00:54:36.655
Honestly,

00:54:37.675 --> 00:54:39.295
the first time that ever happened for me,

00:54:39.394 --> 00:54:41.295
I cried because that to me

00:54:41.376 --> 00:54:45.237
was I'm doing something right.

00:54:45.597 --> 00:54:46.777
You know what I'm saying?

00:54:46.817 --> 00:54:47.737
People are trusting me

00:54:47.777 --> 00:54:48.958
enough and I've put myself

00:54:49.038 --> 00:54:50.117
out there enough to where

00:54:51.771 --> 00:54:52.791
people are trusting me to do

00:54:52.811 --> 00:54:53.452
this for them.

00:54:53.791 --> 00:54:57.373
And that's like the highest form of, of,

00:54:57.652 --> 00:54:58.052
you know,

00:54:59.653 --> 00:55:01.034
that you can receive is that

00:55:01.094 --> 00:55:02.353
people are trusting you to

00:55:02.753 --> 00:55:03.954
provide them inputs for

00:55:03.994 --> 00:55:04.695
something that they

00:55:04.735 --> 00:55:05.875
honestly care about too.

00:55:05.914 --> 00:55:07.815
And when other people care about it,

00:55:07.875 --> 00:55:08.936
you care about it just as

00:55:08.976 --> 00:55:09.675
much as they do.

00:55:09.695 --> 00:55:11.275
And you want to see it succeed.

00:55:11.295 --> 00:55:12.295
Right.

00:55:12.396 --> 00:55:13.777
So it's like pouring love

00:55:13.817 --> 00:55:16.597
into your child and hoping

00:55:16.617 --> 00:55:18.257
that they come out good because of it.

00:55:19.858 --> 00:55:20.077
So,

00:55:21.219 --> 00:55:23.840
But no, Ben, honestly,

00:55:24.001 --> 00:55:25.300
anytime you want to come on

00:55:25.340 --> 00:55:26.422
and talk about a new book,

00:55:26.942 --> 00:55:28.842
the door is always open and

00:55:28.882 --> 00:55:30.483
we can do this anytime you want.

00:55:31.003 --> 00:55:32.402
Now, before I let you go,

00:55:32.804 --> 00:55:34.463
if anybody is on the fence

00:55:34.503 --> 00:55:36.405
about supporting your Kickstarter,

00:55:38.344 --> 00:55:39.445
what can you say to them

00:55:39.505 --> 00:55:42.085
now to really drive that

00:55:42.146 --> 00:55:44.047
point home on it?

00:55:44.847 --> 00:55:45.626
Well, I, I think the,

00:55:45.706 --> 00:55:48.429
the biggest sailing point is, is that,

00:55:48.509 --> 00:55:50.208
you know, I'm, I'm offering to, you know,

00:55:50.228 --> 00:55:51.750
if you're all a fan of comic books,

00:55:51.809 --> 00:55:54.030
I'm letting you read issue one for free,

00:55:54.650 --> 00:55:55.952
um, with no obligation.

00:55:56.012 --> 00:55:57.092
So, so you can,

00:55:57.353 --> 00:55:59.554
you don't have to sign up for my emails.

00:55:59.594 --> 00:56:00.614
You don't have to do anything.

00:56:00.634 --> 00:56:01.713
You just click the link on

00:56:01.733 --> 00:56:02.735
the Kickstarter page.

00:56:03.577 --> 00:56:04.536
If you like the book,

00:56:05.577 --> 00:56:06.737
I hope it sells itself.

00:56:07.697 --> 00:56:10.059
If you like issue one,

00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:10.978
I think issue two is going

00:56:10.998 --> 00:56:12.239
to be even better because

00:56:12.260 --> 00:56:13.039
we're really getting into

00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:14.019
the heart of the story.

00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:15.820
We've introduced the main

00:56:15.860 --> 00:56:18.981
characters and now we're getting to some

00:56:19.081 --> 00:56:20.884
the real action and we're

00:56:20.903 --> 00:56:22.364
gonna gonna get to some of

00:56:22.385 --> 00:56:24.547
the most exciting parts and

00:56:24.586 --> 00:56:25.407
for those of you who want

00:56:25.427 --> 00:56:26.929
to see some nazi punching

00:56:26.949 --> 00:56:28.170
which some people have been

00:56:28.190 --> 00:56:29.610
been like oh I'm excited to

00:56:29.630 --> 00:56:31.231
see some nazis

00:56:36.684 --> 00:56:38.626
yeah issue one because we're

00:56:38.746 --> 00:56:39.827
we're you know you know

00:56:39.907 --> 00:56:41.068
he's he's being

00:56:41.128 --> 00:56:42.570
experimented on and and

00:56:42.650 --> 00:56:44.831
stuff like that um but

00:56:44.871 --> 00:56:45.632
we're going to get to see

00:56:45.692 --> 00:56:46.913
some of that initial you

00:56:46.932 --> 00:56:47.773
know a fair amount of that

00:56:47.833 --> 00:56:49.255
in issue two and in issue

00:56:49.295 --> 00:56:50.817
three is this as the story

00:56:51.197 --> 00:56:52.697
evolves along in his

00:56:52.757 --> 00:56:54.179
involvement in world war ii

00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:55.300
I mean we get a brief

00:56:55.340 --> 00:56:56.762
moment where in issue one

00:56:56.782 --> 00:56:57.541
where you see him with the

00:56:57.561 --> 00:56:58.842
french resistance you know

00:56:58.882 --> 00:56:59.643
because there's some you

00:56:59.684 --> 00:57:01.746
know time skip there where he's telling

00:57:02.045 --> 00:57:03.387
telling a story of his time

00:57:03.427 --> 00:57:04.568
with the french resistance

00:57:04.588 --> 00:57:07.492
when he first met really

00:57:07.532 --> 00:57:10.376
well thank you thank you I

00:57:10.436 --> 00:57:11.438
really enjoyed the way you

00:57:11.498 --> 00:57:13.300
did it in issue one with

00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.601
the time jumps you did they

00:57:14.641 --> 00:57:17.806
were smooth like it and they made sense

00:57:18.387 --> 00:57:19.608
That's something that I

00:57:19.648 --> 00:57:20.969
think is hard for some

00:57:20.989 --> 00:57:23.731
people to really do is do a

00:57:23.791 --> 00:57:25.554
time jump backwards and

00:57:25.574 --> 00:57:27.675
then back to forwards.

00:57:28.416 --> 00:57:29.797
That's a concept to me that

00:57:30.438 --> 00:57:31.739
you really have to put a

00:57:31.759 --> 00:57:33.521
lot of brain cells into to

00:57:33.581 --> 00:57:35.422
get that just right.

00:57:35.702 --> 00:57:37.164
You did that in issue one.

00:57:37.443 --> 00:57:38.646
I will say if anybody out

00:57:38.666 --> 00:57:39.967
there is listening later on,

00:57:41.686 --> 00:57:42.827
guy knows how to do a time

00:57:42.847 --> 00:57:44.748
jump the proper way in his

00:57:44.827 --> 00:57:46.387
book so prepare yourself

00:57:46.847 --> 00:57:48.347
because they are a really

00:57:48.367 --> 00:57:50.309
great thing he does them

00:57:50.329 --> 00:57:51.708
very well and they make

00:57:51.809 --> 00:57:53.068
sense the way he does them

00:57:53.108 --> 00:57:59.411
so up to be free what's

00:57:59.431 --> 00:58:00.391
that no no no no you're

00:58:00.431 --> 00:58:02.771
good for a second no okay

00:58:02.791 --> 00:58:05.152
yeah that was on your end then

00:58:06.391 --> 00:58:08.472
Which, it happens.

00:58:08.632 --> 00:58:10.034
My whole thing's frozen before.

00:58:10.074 --> 00:58:10.954
I've had to drop out of a

00:58:11.235 --> 00:58:12.536
live podcast and then bring

00:58:12.577 --> 00:58:13.697
myself back into it.

00:58:15.952 --> 00:58:18.434
but Ben, that's all I have for you.

00:58:18.454 --> 00:58:19.333
Why don't you go ahead and

00:58:19.393 --> 00:58:21.614
plug your social medias and

00:58:21.634 --> 00:58:22.855
tell everybody where they

00:58:22.894 --> 00:58:25.235
can find biting comics.

00:58:25.835 --> 00:58:26.094
Sure.

00:58:26.135 --> 00:58:27.195
You can find, uh,

00:58:27.315 --> 00:58:29.416
find me at biting comics.com.

00:58:29.536 --> 00:58:32.396
Just all one word biting comics.com.

00:58:32.436 --> 00:58:34.237
It'll take you up to the, uh,

00:58:34.257 --> 00:58:35.518
to the website where you

00:58:35.557 --> 00:58:37.197
can sign up and you can get,

00:58:37.757 --> 00:58:39.559
not only can you get free issue of Samson,

00:58:39.579 --> 00:58:40.398
you'll get free issue of

00:58:40.438 --> 00:58:41.478
shark of war and a free

00:58:41.539 --> 00:58:42.780
issue of vicious vixen.

00:58:42.820 --> 00:58:44.400
So you basically try, uh,

00:58:44.579 --> 00:58:45.860
try a range of my product

00:58:46.161 --> 00:58:48.001
product you know from shark

00:58:48.021 --> 00:58:50.023
of the war is is is really

00:58:50.143 --> 00:58:51.324
uh you know high concept

00:58:51.344 --> 00:58:53.565
sci-fi actions uh vicious

00:58:53.605 --> 00:58:57.867
vixens is is is is genre a

00:58:57.907 --> 00:58:59.768
team meets charlie's angels

00:59:00.007 --> 00:59:01.608
action um with some

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attractive women if you

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like attractive women um in

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everybody involved as well

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as you're following their exploits.

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And of course,

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you'll get to read Samson as well.

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If you'd like to sign up for my email,

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I'd appreciate it.

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I'm on Facebook.

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You know, I am on Blue Sky and on Twitter.

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Well, X. But I have to admit,

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most of my posting is on my

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focus is more on Facebook, which is,

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you know, I'm at...

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shark of war on Facebook.

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So if you go to facebook.com

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slash shark of war, uh, you know how I,

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I always have trouble

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knowing how you find stuff on Facebook,

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but yeah, it's,

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it's shark of war on Facebook.

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Um, that's probably where I post, you know,

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most of the stuff on,

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on my Kickstarter and, you know,

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other things that I'm doing though.

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I, I do post, you know,

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on Twitter and blue sky,

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but I don't cultivate as much there.

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I think most of the people I, I,

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I associate her more on Facebook, but yeah,

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so that's, that's, and,

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and Ben Lacey one on

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Instagram be Lacey one on, on,

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I think and blue sky.

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Yeah.

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Actually I'm trying to look at what I am.

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Yeah.

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Be Lacey one on blue sky.

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That's B L A C Y one.

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I don't have an E in my, uh, my last name.

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Everybody, a lot of people misspell it.

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L A C E Y L A C Y. Yeah.

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That's, that's, that's my main things.

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All right.

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Well, Ben,

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that's all I have for you today.

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And as always, everybody,

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you can find me at Blue Sky

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as USDN Chairman and on all

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the other social media

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platforms as the USDN Podcast.

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So on behalf of myself, the chairman.

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the new council member, Ben,

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and the Council of Nerds.

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Everybody,

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this USDN interview has been

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USDN approved.

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With that,

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everybody enjoy a free comic book date.

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Go out and enjoy it.

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It's a beautiful weekend.