Okay, what do you want to see the clock is running right there three four five so we're on we're recording right now On the Riverside application, right?
So so right now you're you're making a recording with me, but We're not this is not a remote recording because we're on one camera two people You are here.
I'm over here, right?
Okay, so we could talk for a couple of minutes.
What do you want to talk about?
I just want to talk about general.
you talking.
Lean back, lean back.
There you are on the screen.
Okay.
What is in my mind now is just a short synopsis of the condition, the political condition in the United States as it stands now.
All So this is like a, so this is kind of like a political podcast.
Exactly.
And you're the host and I'm your guest.
Okay.
All right.
And so you're basically having this show as a means to share with people your political, your takes on political...
take on the political...
Agenda.
I'm on a political agenda.
Okay.
And I just want to know more or less what the world, how the world considers the United States in their...
uh thinking and the future, all the connection between the United States and primarily Russia.
think ah I don't understand the politics.
What they say on one hand is one thing and what's going on on the other hand.
Okay, that's it.
And I want to know what your opinion is.
And what's going to happen.
Well, do you think that a lot of this is the
You know, there's a lot of bitterness in Russia right now because, they're big because for centuries they have such bad food there.
The food is terrible.
The restaurants are terrible.
The people have nothing.
They're bitter.
They don't have better food.
No.
Is that the food?
Is the politics.
Okay.
But don't you think the politics could be like indigestion from the bad food?
No, oh absolutely not.
It's a generalization of the politics between the United States and Russia.
And ah frankly, I think Putin can very easily outsmart Trump.
That's how I feel.
sorry, but.
Do you think he's got like a Napoleon complex?
Do you think Putin has like Napoleon complex?
Oh, absolutely.
All right.
So you think maybe if we can get him some growth hormones and he gets a little taller, maybe he won't be such a difficult person.
I think he feels bad about being so short.
I think.
Putin has extensive experience in uh world politics and in investigation ah and how people think psychologically.
And uh he's extremely shrewd.
So my fear is that uh I hope Trump administration doesn't fall into a trap through flattery.
That's it.
Yeah, but he's also isn't he I think he's in his 70s.
What does that got to do with it?
Plenty.
Age always is an issue.
Age is always I mean, there's many there's many factors in anything, but I always pay attention to people's age.
Okay, fine.
He's in 70s.
He's not going to be around much longer either.
and as far as I know, he's functioning.
Yeah, for now.
as of now, as of now, what happens after?
Yeah, but people
What I'm saying is that he's in his 70s.
We agree that he has a lot of influence and he's a negative impact on the world.
We all can agree with that.
But uh he's not going to be around functioning for a whole lot longer either.
And you know that there's people in his realm who are in their 30s and 40s.
who are counting the minutes that they can step in and take his spot.
I'm always kind of interested in, yeah, I understand where they're at, but they're like, have a certain shelf life.
He's got a certain shelf life, Trump's got a shelf life, but I'm kind of interested in what's coming behind him.
So I think the interesting thing with Russia has to do with the culture is like, is the young people, after he goes,
Are the young people going to want to reform it to something else or are they very happy with what it is and they'll support anybody who succeeds him who's like him?
So it's very hard to say because, you know, the elections there are very rigged.
So you really don't know what the real feeling of the people are.
And it's pretty close society.
So, you know, I don't know what's going to happen over there.
I mean, he's got a...
He's got only a short, you know, the guy who's kind of interesting in this little play to me, you you've got the guy, the fat little boy in Korea.
You've got this old, old guy who has very good hair dye in China.
You've got the, you know, chin.
And then you've ah got the big orange, you know, he doesn't have much shelf life.
And Putin doesn't have much shelf life.
By far the youngest person in this group is the guy out of Korea, which I think is very interesting.
So this guy's got decades, unless he has enough.
What are you talking about?
North Korea?
Yeah, yeah.
So he's the one who's, if his health doesn't unexpectedly fail, he's got decades of power ahead of him.
He whole, for that reason, he has a very different timetable.
than all these other guys who are on their kind of on their last leg air.
Most of the other leaders are fairly old.
They're in their seventies.
He's kind of, think maybe 40.
And so that's something to keep an eye on.
And so whoever comes into power after Putin and Trump and chin and all that.
uh
This other guy is already going to be a major player for a long amount of time.
I'm kind of keeping my eye on him.
He's actually, uh I think, shrewder than people give him credit for.
The guy in Korea, So yeah, anyhow, but we won't be here.
We'll be watching it from the grandstand somewhere.
Yeah, the way I see it, the view that I see it from is that
China is extremely aggressive in what they do, uh psychologically and possession-wise, while people are doing crazy things like the United States is concentrating on deportation
uh of people that we really need here to do domestic working.
What?
Well, you know...
And you know, the United States...
We're only told what they want us to think and believe, but it's like every other country.
We're not any different.
The real politics, nobody will know.
Nobody knows what's lurking behind or how they're negotiating.
I know as far as now concerned, the Trump administration has always negotiated with Russia.
And I think what happens is in between is a matter of uh
not survival or where we stand politically in the arena, but it's all about money.
Money, money, money.
And Putin psychologically is very clever.
He always waves oh to Trump, look, look at the money we could make if you do this the way I tell you to.
He's controlling his mind by flattery also that he thinks that
Trump, you're wonderful.
that's what he needs.
Well, after your podcast goes viral and you have millions of followers, are you hoping maybe to parlay this into some kind of uh job in the diplomatic core?
Maybe you could be working, maybe...
Is to formalize what I'm saying or just cut it off?
No, no, what I'm saying is that if, after you're very popular on YouTube and everybody can't wait to hear...
about your political, maybe you can parlay this into some kind of job in you know, in the foreign diplomatic corps.
Like maybe you can work in Paris.
What do think?
still, have that in you?
Do you have this in you?
think you can?
The only thing that's out of my mind now is that for everybody, live a full life and a uh clean life.
And uh you have to.
weigh things in and out to make the right decision because, um, as far as information that we get, you have to digest the information that comes because not all of it is true.
Some is, some isn't.
So you have to just declassify information that you believe in and, and, and
Well, you know, this short conversation may find its way eventually onto the spiritual, the Warrior Saint podcast, my podcast, which is always a conversation like this.
your view in the political situation in the world, how would you tie what's going on in the political situation in the world to some
bigger message that maybe you'd like to share with the audience.
That's a good one.
So stuff is happening politically.
That's OK.
That's one aspect of the life on the planet.
There's a lot of stuff going on.
But what you're what you're seeing in the political realm, what have you learned or what would you like to share on how that ties into some larger, larger world?
OK, I understand what you're saying.
The way I see it,
It's throughout the ages.
It's the old saying, is up will come down, regardless.
This is my philosophy and that's the way I see the world.
Up and down.
Yeah, I think they call that gravity.
And whatever it is.
The law of gravity.
I personally...
uh
recognizes uh the turmoil, uh what's going on, but I always maintain that you as an individual are, that you as an individual have, have,
what we say all the time, and the philosopher, Degas, you think and that's important.
Whatever you think and you think for the best and you let the life go on.
Let it hopefully be a healthy life and a rewarding life.
uh...
Yeah, I thought you made a very good point before, though.
I thought, like, you made a very good point that you kind of, uh...
did not uh dig deeper on because I actually thought you said something very profound because these things that happen that people I think should pay notice to because
everything goes in patterns.
So you said something, well, everything that goes up goes down.
And then I said uh that, well, yeah, I think you just said that you believe in gravity.
Okay, so that's what gravity is.
is just the thing.
Well, it's just a terminology.
Gravity is a scientific term for the principle that everything that goes up comes down.
Absolutely.
So, know, people, I think, don't pay attention and they accept that there's such a like a
physical law called gravity.
But I think I agree with you is that it applies to everything, not just like throwing a ball up and a ball goes down.
ah know, emotions go up, emotions go down, thoughts go up, thoughts go down, civilizations go up, civilizations go down, everything that goes up goes down.
So I think that gravity is a great teacher, a great teacher is that if you pay attention
and you accept the physical law of gravity, that it applies to everything, including politics.
It does, I think that uh sometimes people don't, they want to kind of conceptualize this very complicated truth, but actually the truth is very simple.
But you did a very good job of articulating this.
Everything goes up, comes down, that's it.
We're cool, and life.
politics, money.
But we, that's one aspect.
The other aspect is, uh Hari Nam, we used to talk about, you know, uh a principle.
And to me, I take it very seriously.
The principle is basically Descartes, Descartes, the philosopher.
Yeah, she loves to talk about Descartes.
And she loves to always say, I mean, this is her.
This is me.
Because we get into this.
It's always.
We get into this thing.
So what she says is.
See, you think.
She says, I think.
I Therefore I am.
And I always say that's the most ridiculous thing in the I still maintain that.
She still, don't go and hit the table because then you'll say.
But she likes going back to the wealth.
She likes her little comment.
She likes going back to the well.
So she loves going back to, think, therefore I am, but she really hasn't dug deep into what actually it means and what the consequences, if it was actually true, what the
consequences.
So she likes saying it.
So I'm always going, oh, look at the tree out there.
so does the tree think?
Well, maybe, okay, so.
So if you're going, think, therefore I am.
So if the tree doesn't think, it is not.
Then it is not.
It's not in existence.
Okay, so somebody could say, well, know, trees think because everything alive has some sort of thought process.
We may not know of it, but they have it.
I say, well, how about the rock?
You think the rock next to the tree?
ah Does that not exist?
Maybe, maybe.
Who knows?
She's digging in deep now.
She's digging in deep to support her thing.
But the thing is, is that
She's really against like a pro here.
She's in a tough spot because I'm like a professional philosopher.
So she's in a very, very tough spot.
So she, if she says something, she's going to have to prove it.
So anyhow, but I like she, but you know what?
I like her competitiveness.
She's got, she's very competitive.
She's very competitive and she, and she's very, you know, she likes hanging in there.
So I find that very entertaining, but at end of the day, she's going to lose the confidence, the,
the debate unless she can prove her point.
really, she keeps her reading, but she really hasn't proven the point yet, but she likes that comment.
brings her back to her days in Brooklyn college.
So we're all, we're all very happy for that because she's 97 years old.
She's looking great.
And it's, it's, it's these deep philosophical thoughts that have kept her young at 97.
So, but she's doing very good.
She just turned 97.
She's already on her 98th lap around the sun.
And so we have to give her credit.
Look, if she looks this good at 97 going on 98 now, she must know what she's doing and we don't know what we're doing.
she's doing better than me, believe it or not.
I'm 73.
as you can see, you'll see other podcasts of this.
We're going to do these a little more professionally as far as how we produce it.
um Now this is a Florida, this is a Florida.
Spam.
Okay.
This is called Florida Spam.
I try to put her on the no call list, that doesn't work either.
See, you know, we should have started this podcast a couple of years ago because we could have had a comedy team here.
basically,
This is gonna be the least professionally produced, but I promised on this visit that I'm gonna be starting soon this podcast called Warrior Saint that is basically every podcast
is just going to be talking about uh everything and nothing.
Whatever we're talking about during the day, could be anything.
It's called Warrior Saint because basically that's...
uh
Ultimately the foundation where I'm coming from is that uh the greatest thing in life is to be a warrior and a saint at the same time, to be able to live with uh absolute
fearlessness and at the same time be very saintly, being very kind and compassionate to others.
So basically uh our lifestyle is a combination of being infinitely brave and courageous.
and strong and at the same time being infinitely kind and loving and compassionate and all that in one package.
And hey, look, you know, I have this thing and I'm at this point, but look, she contributed a lot to this because she's a living example of it.
My mom, she's a strong, courageous person.
She's a very kind and good and sweet person.
it's all important to integrate these together and because of this,
You know, has, she's very, know, her mantra is kind of that she's curious about everything and everybody.
still, and that's what's kept her young.
And I can vouch, even though she's got, you know, 25 years on me, I've lived this way myself.
And you know, you're getting a little bit of it today.
May I interrupt you?
Of course, of Okay, thanks.
She'll interrupt anyhow, even if she wants to.
But I have politeness.
I don't, I don't.
But the thing that...
I always admired uh in me and others is curiosity.
was, I...
It, it kept me invigorated.
kept me thinking because I was always curious about everything, starting with politics all the way to music.
Uh, and, and the AI is like, I don't fully understand it, but a little enough to know where the world is going and how it's going.
And believe it or not, I'm still interested in what is happening.
not only here, but globally.
So you're going on a 98 years old, so you're around since 1928 at least.
Right.
We all know this is uh basically a spiritual warrior uh podcast.
obviously uh we believe we've always been here.
We've never gone anywhere, we're always here.
And so we'll say this, that her body has been here.
She's always been here, she'll always be here.
But for these, since 1928 to now, which is 2025, her spirit has inhabited this body at this time and place.
And so what would you say are the biggest changes in the world between 1928 and 2025?
Because you've things on the people I've been seeing.
The first thing that came to my mind is AI has...
Yeah, but that's just happened a couple of months ago.
Okay.
Now?
I'm just saying between...
Generally speaking...
Generally speaking, what is the, if anything, what are things basically in people the same or do you think there's been like some substantial shift in...
I...
human nature is not going to change.
I think...
People aspirations are the same.
uh think uh money has always been uh the object of how people think and how they move in this world.
uh I personally don't think that anything has changed, even uh scientifically innovations and the AI.
think basically people, character,
does not change and it is what it is.
It is what it is.
And the world will keep on going.
And I don't see any change.
If I see any change, it would be in um the innovation sphere.
And I do see, I do see our evolution taking place and we will have habitation, I feel, in Mars one day.
Very shortly, very shortly, because the things are going so rapidly that change in my time, we take 20 years, change today is like overnight.
Boom, it's done.
the rockets, rockets is an indication.
And I see the world that
very shortly, maybe in 10 years or what, you will have habitation in Mars.
Will we find out?
you think, yeah, but I, you know, we've talked a lot about these things.
So I think a lot of those things are, are at this point very pragmatically possible.
If, yeah.
No, not if.
I don't think so.
I think, I think they're more likely than not actually.
But the question, the more interesting question is,
So you're saying, well, you know, let's say it's more likely than not that there'll be habitation of horse.
yeah, yeah.
But the question is, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Only time will tell.
You don't know, you can't, that question is ah a hypothetical question.
Yeah, no, why?
What do I think?
Yeah, what do you think?
that a good thing or that's not a good thing?
Because that really...
needs to proceed.
This is the thoughtfulness that needs to proceed any technological advances.
Otherwise, you're you're in ethical kind of backwaters here, where things will happen.
And then you have to deal with the consequences that you've never thought of before you let the monster out of the thing.
You know, it's like a Frankenstein thing.
You're letting it out just to let it out.
But you haven't thought like, OK, well, what actually are the consequences?
You're just doing it to do it.
Okay.
ah Maybe not such a good idea.
do you think, so you're saying something that I think most people would agree that inhabiting a place like the Mars is not unlikely.
But my question is more, is that actually a good thing or not?
Is that, will the consequences of that be?
will that be, because we're aware, it's not gonna,
effect like the lives of me and you?
There are a lot of things involved with that question and how you're answering.
First of all, climate change is not reliable anymore.
Right.
The climate change is not reliable and uh you don't know whether it will create flooding in the end rent here or how the climate is going to be here.
Let's say in 10 years, it may be too hot to live here and we have no other recourse but to look elsewhere.
And what I'm more concerned about
are is flooding.
The reason I'm saying flooding is because the two spheres, north and the south, you're going to have flooding because if the climate doesn't change and it becomes hot, you're
going to have melting.
You're going to have ice melting, which is going to cause more rain and rain and rain.
flooding is the first thing that could occur.
So yeah, but even without even without.
Drastic climate change, which I agree is is likely the the question really is more or less more about survival of the species, because we've talked about this before.
The planet itself is is basically on borrowed time that it doesn't.
Oh, I agree with.
Well, doesn't matter.
I agree.
I mean, the solar system will blow up.
So.
So the race, this thing, life as we know it as human beings, is going to continue, it would have to be, at least in physical reality, it would have to be elsewhere because the
planet actually cannot sustain what it, because life as we know it only can sustain itself in a very narrow margin of temperature and humidity.
and sun and various things.
Well, that dies out.
So for instance, even if the sun Well, the sun will die out, okay?
Not if it dies out.
will.
It's And so even if the temperature didn't change, all of this is temporary, okay?
So that's why I was asking.
So you go to Mars, but you'll still have that issue.
So it's going to be a question of if the race of human beings continues, it's going to be finding habitable
Places in the universe as time goes on because there'll be no escape in this solar system They'll have to go to another system Do you do you think that the scientists are not
taking that into consideration now?
I mean thinking what's going to happen in the oh they they bet they don't they already know that That's what I'm out even somebody in high school student knows that studying
everybody knows that everybody knows that the Sun
is a star and that stars basically burn out.
everybody knows that.
that the, getting back to our talk about gravity is that there are planets, but the planets are kept in their orbit by gravitational pull towards the sun.
But when the sun goes about where they're going, the stones just go flying out and explode.
Okay.
So none of it.
So the rock that, so
It seems like we're talking right now from Florida, right?
So if, you know, people here, they're in this illusion, they're living on some golf club in southern Florida, but they forget that actually they're on a rock, little rock flying
throughout a space with billions of other insects like ourselves until we're not, okay?
uh But anybody knows that...
that's not sustainable that eventually now eventually could be eventually could even be millions of years, but millions of years is actually not a lot of time in in universal
time.
It's just a second.
OK, so relatively speaking, this is not going to be around for a lot.
So really gets the interesting questions about, you know, going to another planet and a lot of.
And you can see what's going on in the world right now, very divisive.
They're going to be taking their divisiveness to another planet.
So in other words, ah you you started off our conversation talking about politics.
So if everybody is got political interests and divisions, and then the civilization has to move to another planet, they're just going to take their problems to another planet.
That's right.
Right.
So.
So they'll have the Republicans and Democrats fighting it out on Mars, right?
So, okay, that's something to look forward to.
But you've seen, I've been on the planet for 73 laps and you've been on the air for 97 laps around the planet.
So you've even seen things I haven't seen.
like,
What would you, I think that people, one thing I've seen, just culturally, and this could, it's not universal and it's different culturally and it could change back and forth.
I'm not freaked out about it, but one thing is, and we've talked about this is that oh how it seems that there is much less respect for both teachers and elderly people, that
people, m
don't respect the teacher and people don't respect people who've been here for a long time and the experience and the sacrifice they've made to be here.
You know, they take it for what I wanted to bring out, Hari Nam, to me, what was very important, and I lived that life so I could speak.
I was very fortunate in having an attitude.
If you have a clean, good attitude, uh
You feel your soul is washed.
I had the attitude that I just, and fortunate, that I just loved living.
I loved just getting up in the morning and breathing and be so grateful that I'm here and I have so much to live for to see my...
daughter and son okay, they're doing fine, they're healthy, and my grandchildren, that's all, you know, like, oh.
So I was very, very fortunate.
Also, attitude-wise, if you have a clean, good attitude toward life, you'll live to be my age.
I do.
What do you think, I think people, the kind of person who'd be interested in this podcast,
is looking for that kind of uh different view.
So you're saying having a good- Philosophical.
No, no, no, not necessarily philosophical.
Actually just clarity, like a very straightforward.
So you were saying that one of the things that's giving you, one of the keys to giving you a good life is having uh a good, clean attitude.
What is a good, clean attitude?
That's up to each individual, how you look at life.
And one individual may feel that uh they're doing the right thing and their attitude is, and others will say up yours, you know.
Right, but what's a good clean attitude for you?
You're saying it's different for people.
For you, so you're saying that's been a very important building block for you is having a good and clean attitude.
So what is a good and clean attitude for you in your my God, there's so many.
No, your life.
for you.
Like you say you have a good and clean attitude.
What do you mean by that?
Like, what could you share with other people?
Right.
The thing that always kept me going was, luckily, I never had any feelings of being jealousy.
All my feelings, thank God, that I always, if I can be of help to others, just call me.
I'll be there.
And looking at life, it is what it is, and you have to extract the good more than some people just look at other people with jealousies and why destroy your life when there is
so much to live for, so much to live for.
I felt that way and I think that kept me, you know, that I am going on 98.
I mean, really, really?
Good attitude, if you could.
That is a gift.
Even better than good, I think that you have a noticeably positive attitude.
All the time.
Positive attitude.
So sometimes people have like a good attitude, but it's not positive.
So it's good nature, good intention, but you actually, you know, there's an expression in your cup is either half full or half empty.
So a positive attitude to me is, you know, you always see your puppy in a again, positive attitude is very important.
But I think for me, ah what kept my brain going was I was always curious.
I wanted to go crook and then I would then if I wanted to know something, I would go on the computer and find out.
curious knowledge, knowledge.
I've always stressed education, education, knowledge, knowledge and good character, good character, good.
I think I went the cycle and that's how I felt all my life.
Nothing changed me.
I've been that way since God knows what and uh
So do you think that you were born that way or did you or you know it's like you you're basically happy with the hold on she's happy with everything or life except for except for
except for junk holes from from people trying to sell her something okay so that's what's going on in the background here so okay so you know generally after uh
you know, 97 laps around the planet.
In general, uh you know, you come off as being uh very happy with your life and happy with the package.
And so, you know, and you've shared with uh the audience here that, uh you know, you've always had a positive attitude and you've also- Could I emphasize what I mean by that?
What I mean
good attitude means I recognize that ah I can't be right all the time and that's why they have a racism pencil.
I'm kidding you.
But...
ah
I could truthfully say that I tried my best to bring up my children and my grandchildren to the best.
It may not have been the best.
You can't do everything perfectly.
And I recognize that many times I didn't do or I didn't have the right choices, but it is what it is.
I meant well, but sometimes, you know, it's the wrong road.
And I apologize to my children.
But you know, you can hear is that, you know, we've all made mistakes, but the important thing is if we learn from them.
That's, guess, the important thing is, you know, everybody makes mistakes.
The people who really have successful, fulfilling, happy lives are people who've learned from their mistakes and it's made them better people.
And I'm questioning that as far as I'm concerned.
I know, I know, I made many mistakes, I know.
But at that time.
But if she learned from them, only God knows, I think that's what we can say.
but I, as an outside observer, I can vouch that I feel like she has uh learned very well from.
uh
many of them and she's grown dramatically as a person because of them.
It's one reason myself, uh you know, it's like nobody's committed more errors in, this is what I say about myself always, nobody's committed more errors in their life than me.
I've committed an encyclopedia of errors, but I've never, I never make the same mistake twice.
And so I am very grateful for having made errors and very grateful for
having as many faults as I have, they've really, um that's been my school, that's when my education has been paying attention to how I can better myself.
And I would have never had an opportunity to better myself if I was perfect at everything, right?
So you only can better yourself if there's something to better.
So I've been very, very fortunate with that.
um So, and then the other thing, so there's the attitude.
And then actually, I think I want you to comment a little bit more about something else you mentioned because I think I probably got this from you and, or largely when you talk,
where did you get things from?
This is something that I mostly got from you.
And of course, sometimes you get something from somebody and you don't realize it like, oh my God, I got it from that person.
But you don't realize it until like 30 years later.
that somebody actually gave you a million dollars, you've had a million dollars, but you don't realize that you weren't paying attention, that a particular person actually handed
you that million dollars.
So I have a particular thing that oh I'd have to say I primarily, definitely primarily got from you.
And that is this, one of the really foundations of the success of my life.
and the fulfillment that I have in my life come from a very important thing that I have that very few people have, but you have, and I thank God I got it from you, is that uh we
both are curious about everything and everybody.
And I actually, the truth is, people say that, but I can probably count on a couple of hands, the people who I've met who are really in the Hall of Fame.
as as being interested in everything and everybody.
I'm definitely in the Hall of Fame and I think you're in the Hall of Fame.
And I think that this is uh a big thing people notice in us and I think it's a big thing that we really share with people.
been one of the keys to anything I've gotten in my life.
And I always, uh you I've been very fortunate that I get.
in my life to teach thousands of people.
And it's something that always comes up and I'm always encouraging people to open up, their limitations, drop their fears, drop their hesitations, and just take it all in and
be curious about everything and be curious about everybody.
Try to understand everybody, where they're coming from.
Try to understand what's
everything available while you're in this short life.
I definitely got that from you.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.
And uh I talk about it a lot, but I'm interested in what you would like to share about the value of being interested in everything and everybody.
Why it's so valuable.
To me, the most valuable thing is to get up every morning and be so grateful that I'm here.
Because to love life is a gift.
It's a gift of God.
And the reason, one of the reasons is I love living.
I love living because...
I always felt I could do, what could I do more for my children?
And I don't know whether I did it or not, but I love my children, I love my grandchildren, I love my country.
I just love getting up every morning and look out and see the blue sky and the green grass.
nature.
It's just people overlook that.
But to me, getting up each morning was a gift.
It was a gift from the Almighty.
And he's keeping here for some reason.
I don't know the reason.
I should have been gone long ago.
But he's still keeping me.
And I'm still wondering.
Why is he keeping me?
Maybe he was keeping you to make this podcast.
I hope so.
It's part of it, I'm sure.
see?
Oh my God.
is 97 years old.
And the remarkable thing is, like I got up this morning, I looked outside and go, oh my God, another day.
And then immediately, immediately, I went to see the news.
curiosity importante.
Yeah.
Well, I'm staying away from the news this week.
I got to get better.
And the news is not something that gets me better.
I'm highly informed.
I'll get there.
I'm well enough to watch football.
And I wanted to say.
um I say that I'm so fortunate to have given birth to two wonderful children, and they gave birth to two wonderful children.
They're up, down, they're all, the road is straight and then it goes down.
But when you start to look back at your life, the Almighty was there for me.
Yeah, and he put you on a lot of good trips around the world too.
Oh, that's a dead No, you've seen a lot of, you know, she, you know, now everybody's on a cruise ship, everybody's hopping on a plane, you know, she started really exploring the
world when there were actually very few people.
People had the opportunity.
And there was good food on the plane.
And there was no security.
And they didn't shove you into the plane like cattle.
She went during, I guess, guess called the golden age of travel.
I have to just extend that.
The thing is that um I saw actually two different worlds.
My world, which was very privileged because uh my husband and I, um my husband and I would travel.
when nobody was traveling.
we did most of the traveling in the 60s, like 1960.
And uh what a difference between then and now.
Luckily, we were privileged.
We really were.
But uh I especially...
I raise two good children.
Yeah, you must have had a third child because I wasn't one of them.
That's not true.
I always wanted to be closer to my son and he had other ideas.
A very difficult person, yeah.
Not her fault, very difficult person.
It doesn't matter.
I know what you are.
I know what you are now.
And what was that?
And you know what?
Actually, it's interesting because as many of you know, I go to India quite uh often, but she was basically in India probably 15 years before I went to India.
yeah, yeah.
And I loved India then.
I thought it was the most fascinating country I've ever, and I visited most countries at that time.
My husband and I traveled when we were retired.
uh
Yeah, we disagree on most other things, but we can agree that India is the most interesting country to travel.
It's true.
many ways.
Yeah, in many ways.
uh Interesting in that you saw another world and you could recognize how people live.
And it was very disturbing, very disturbing.
India was very disturbing.
ah
and cruelty did exist between the British and the Indian servants, they couldn't kill us.
They couldn't kill us.
And it is what it is.
It was what it was.
It's changed It will continue to be the same way.
It changed quite a bit.
It changed.
It has changed quite a bit.
It's changed, know, it's like even I was in India a couple of months ago, we're in 2025.
And I'd say that India is actually even quite a bit different than when I was back there in 2023.
And in 2023, it was different than 2018.
also, everywhere is just accelerating.
But you know, one interesting thing, and I think you could verify this, because you were in India many, many years ago, is that many years ago, almost all the tourists in India
were foreigners.
Okay, for foreigners.
But now actually, the vast, vast majority of tourists in India are Indians.
And so there's a much bigger middle class and traveling is considered a luxury for people.
Well, yeah, because a lot of business is done in India now.
Well, not even business.
Families, families, and they didn't have that.
When I first went to India, I didn't see so many Indian tourists.
Now it's like anywhere you go in India,
There's just thousands and thousands of domestic tourists.
It's really changed uh the landscape of the country quite a bit.
I love going to India myself, but my stomach, my stomach sometimes is a little angry at me.
So I never, I never come back with the same stomach.
So I'm still dealing with that.
what's the, can you, uh what's the, the, uh what's the uh funny, can you think of like the funniest thing you've ever seen in your life?
I always ask people that.
Generally speaking?
No, not generally speaking.
You think of something that was so hilarious that you couldn't help yourself.
I'm trying to think.
can't.
I'll tell you, my attitude was always good, so I was amused by a lot of things.
And attitude again, and the things that I was not amused about, ah I just...
I just let it go.
I didn't let it get into me because I would always say it is what it is.
If I could change it, I will.
If I can't, I get in again and again.
If you would ask me what the most important thing you could relate, I would say the first thing that came to my mind is attitude, your attitude to life, your attitude to your
friends.
your attitude to your children because that attitude has to be navigated.
You have to know when to do something and when to back up.
attitude, if you have the right attitude, it'll get you more places than you think.
I think I had a very healthy attitude.
And the reason I'm saying that is because I always had uh lots of friends.
That's important to me.
I had lots of friends.
And that was my life.
You're a very social person.
I'll tell you what else.
To have the ability to love and be loved.
Well, know, we were talking, that's an interesting thing you say because, you know, you were talking the other day, we were talking about compassion the other day.
And now you're saying, well, you had the gift of being able to love and be loved.
Oh, yeah.
And you look around the world and there's all this like anger and hatefulness.
But you know what, I've always kind of...
I, you now that I'm older, you know, I mean, when I was younger, I really didn't quite understand it.
But now at a more advanced age, I kind of, and I think it's tied into compassion here too, is that, you know, people do awful things and they, people say often awful things and, and
there's so much hate and resentment in the world.
But, but, you know, I'm really thinking that if a person has
the gift of love to love and be loved.
They have no reason to hate anybody.
And the people, the people who hate, the people who hate, it's like, it's nothing about that they're hateful people.
It's like they're empty.
They've never really loved and they've never been loved.
And they feel this existential emptiness
that causes anger, resentment, and hatred and all this, because if they're a person who's filled with love, giving love, and is receiving love, why would you hate anybody?
There's And that's true, I know.
Yeah, there's no, and so I've learned this, and so it's kind of like, you know, I protect myself, I don't let people take advantage of me, but if people do or say things that
are...
negative towards me.
I don't take it personally because if they were really happy, why would they be attacking me?
I've never done anything to them.
so I don't take it personally.
And I've actually learned as I've gotten older to like if somebody's doing that, kind of look at them with compassion, like, wow.
And I don't try to give them a lecture or any, I don't try to prove a point, but
Within myself, I'm going, they're so angry at me and they're doing this and they're saying this.
And I'm going, it has nothing to do with me.
I'm a perfectly fine person.
It's kind of like, what is it in them that's so dark and empty that they have to feel the way that they have to feel?
And I feel bad for them because one thing that I have in common with them is that every night we both go to sleep.
So I go to sleep and I sleep like a baby.
And they can't go to sleep, I know that.
So they can't go to sleep because they're tormented with what they don't have, but what they don't have is love and be loved.
Yeah, but we all go through different stages.
Now, I think your attitude to your mom is a little bit more compassionate, but there was a time where there was friction, which is a normal way.
I mean, it's not un-normal.
It happens all the time, but the end result is...
What did we learn through our mistakes?
And that's it.
And I could have been much better.
But I don't have, you know, I always, you know, one thing I've learned, and we've talked about this getting older in life, is that in most cases, it's nobody's fault and
everybody's just trying their best.
And that's the best they can do at that time.
And then you get challenged.
This is why I like challenges.
This is why I like friction.
This is why I like conflict.
that it makes you, mean, conflict, friction, challenges makes you feel uncomfortable.
And you don't want to be uncomfortable forever.
So if you want to be less uncomfortable, you have to look at your own part in that thing because you have no control over the other person.
You only have control over yourself.
So yeah, so.
I don't actually have any regrets.
just am happy.
I'm just grateful that I found my way to where I need to be.
And I'm grateful for the inner resources that I have to do my part in it.
And I'm really grateful to you and all the other important people in my life who've had some peace in this.
I've got to the point that
Um, I basically see myself as not even existing.
I'm as an individual entity.
I, I'm a product of everything that's kind of fed me.
My, my parents, the good experiences, the bad experiences, the marriages, the divorces, the, my spiritual teacher, my religion, all these different things have kind of come
together to bake a very delicious cake.
and I'm very happy eating that cake.
uh But the thing is I realized that none of this actually belongs to me, nothing, zero.
It's like it's not mine, I don't own any of this, it's stuff that's just kind of come through with me.
And to the fact that, and I said this earlier, that the fact that I'm one of the few people that truly is unbelievably curious in everything and everybody, I...
was able to You got that from me?
Well, I learned that from definitely.
You're the master.
And I learned that from the master.
And it just was natural.
And it never got out of me.
And I actually even developed it more to the point that it was like a hydrogen bomb.
that's how I am 24-7.
uh But that's what I'm saying is that it's not, I don't own that.
I mean, that was a gift she gave me, but it doesn't belong to me.
It's for me to take it from her and to pass it on to other people.
That's the important thing, is that it's so valuable what she taught me, but what's even more valuable is that I don't keep it to myself, that I inspire other people that this is
the best way to live, to be interested in everything and everybody.
It's really one of the keys to living a fulfilling life, to living an expansive life.
And hey, know, God just gave me the tools I need.
God provided me with the mother I needed.
Another mother wanted to give me this curiosity, and so that mother gave it to me.
I didn't give her her due credit for decades for it, but it doesn't matter because in the end, she's gotten, as you can hear, due credit.
And which due credit means is that 100 % of the credit belongs to her and 0 % belongs to me.
So basically I'm just gratefully accepting it.
And I hope in my lifetime I've helped others.
Be honest, and I must have had negative areas, which is normal because we're not all correct all the time and we're not wrong all the time.
but no one could be 100 % right all the time.
So I might have done things that were not that affirmative.
You know, I learned one thing from, we have the Daily Sikh prayer every day is called the Ardas.
And those of you who are familiar with the Ardas, the Daily Sikh prayer, there's a line in there.
And it took me,
You know, you could do these prayers just kind of like a ritualistic, but actually there's a lot of wisdom in there.
And sometimes it takes years to kind of absorb it.
But one of the most important lines in the Ardaas is that, and of course the Ardaas you're talking with God and you're asking God for certain things.
So one of the most important things in the Ardaas is that you're asking God for the strength to overlook the shortcomings of others.
Okay, that you overlook and forget.
You're actually this part of the prayer, God, help me overlook and forget the shortcomings of others and that I only put my attention on being a better person myself.
And it took me a long time.
It took me a long time to kind of absorb that teaching.
But now what's very much in me is that
I don't, I'm aware of it, but you know, it's like, I'm aware of the shortcomings of the people around me.
I'm aware of my own shortcomings, but that's not where my attention is.
My attention is actually seeing the strengths in other people and helping them develop those strengths so they can have As well as their weaknesses.
No, but I don't actually do that.
I don't actually point out to them their weaknesses.
I don't actually get involved in it.
I am...
confident that by concentrating, I'm not ignoring it, it's just kind of like they're aware of it on some level and it's very uh painful that.
it's no spam.
Yeah, so I'm aware of people's weaknesses and um I don't have to shove it in their face.
They know on some level and it's painful to them.
I'm trying to give them the message like they know that I'm aware and I'm not going to remind them of that.
You're going to judge them.
Yeah, and I'm not going to remind
There's no need to remind them.
They're already painfully aware of that.
What I want to show them is that I can actually see their unique strengths and I'm encouraging them to utilize them and that if they think well of me, I want them to know
that I believe in them.
I admire them.
I believe in them.
And the way that I do it is basically showing them that I recognize
What other people don't want to see is that they have strengths and they have qualities and I can see them and I believe in them and I encourage them to do that.
And I had that in my own life, you know, like everyone else, I had strengths, I had weaknesses, but I was overly distracted by feeling bad about my weaknesses and I wasn't
giving myself enough acknowledgement of what actually I was.
sent here to do.
And so God sent me here to do things, but I would not be able to do those things if I did not admit what I have to offer.
And so I finally acknowledged that, not in a light, light, light, unhumble way.
It's just like, yeah, yeah, these are my challenges.
These are, these are my strengths.
I got them from God and other people and I'm going to.
maximize those strengths to make the lives of other people better, right?
those things, but this piece again is, you know, if in her life nobody got anything else, I personally think the great gift that the person sitting next to me really brought in
this world is that, you know, I'm not talking about like a general de Qualle, I'm talking about
a one percent there.
I'm talking about somebody in the one percent, very rare, that was interested in everything and everyone.
And I'm saying that a lot of people don't understand how rare that is.
And a lot of people don't understand that it's one of the secrets to a good life.
So she basically is the queen.
of something that's one of the secrets of having a good life.
And I think consciously or unconsciously people picked up on it, you know?
And then the other one that goes along with it is that, you know, interested in everything and everybody, but also having like an unending appetite for life itself.
And so these two things together are like infectious.
So everybody's going to gravitate towards her and you could see why.
But they don't know, see the thing is that I know what the other people don't know is that they're gravitating to her, but they don't know why they know it's her personality, it's
this and this.
But the really thing is, is that she's a beacon of life.
She's a beacon of light.
That's true.
She's interested in everybody.
That's true.
She's interested in everything.
and she's absolutely in love with life itself.
So who wouldn't want to be around a person like this when 95 % of the people can't do that.
But I also were fortunate in life that I married the right man.
That's a big thing too.
That's a big thing for two reasons, two reasons.
One is because to be loved.
by your spouse completely, unquestionably.
I had that.
And that must be a gift of God because that to me is the culmination of living the best life you could.
I have my husband.
He was my appendage.
He was part of me.
And I know my son is that way with his wife, and he better be.
I had the best
to me to be loved.
Completely unquestionably.
You know what your father used to do when he introduced me?
He just didn't say, this is Helene, but he would say, this is my wife.
And I will never remember that.
I will never forget that.
No matter where we went, he was, he was so proud of me.
But more importantly, Harinam, to be loved by that, the unc-
waste
In other words, my husband, I was his life.
Yeah, that I can't think I don't think that's fair to say.
That is true.
That is fair to say.
Everything he did, he did for you.
That is fair to say.
Exactly, exactly.
Nobody else.
I mean, I came before his children.
Yeah, no, which should be that way.
But I'm just trying to tell you, your dad...
You know, it's sad to see there's so few marriages like that anymore.
Yeah, yeah.
Your dad loved me completely, completely.
Not only did he love me, but he was so proud of me.
He would go, this is my wife.
I mean, I would say to him, hey, take it easy.
I have folks like everybody else, it's okay.
Well, I'm going to, you now anybody watching this is going to be in tears.
You got the tissues out here.
They should live a positive.
positive life and live here because it's a gift of God.
If you take advantage of what God has given you, He's giving you the sky, the sun, the grass.
Oh.
Yeah, open your eyes.
And you know what?
I mean this.
I said this to you before.
I would get up every morning
look outside and see the green grass and the blue sky and go, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Yeah, thank you because you didn't do anything to me.
It was all just, you know, it's all for free.
It's not that it's free.
It's just you have to have it.
You have to appreciate.
Yeah, not take it for granted.
Well, thanks for your, I'm going to.
It's been about an hour.
I don't know when we're going to put this on, but I think I'm just going to...
I just want to conclude by saying, Harry and I are going to have the ups and downs, but seeing my son, he's just what I prayed for.
uh I prayed for good children, and I think I got them from both of my children.
I wish I could go around the Good job.
you know, lot of people are going to see you around the world.
So I just want to tell you, he turned out, my son turned out.
just how I wanted when I spoke to God, I wanted my children to turn out.
I'm very proud of them in so many ways, so many ways.
And this is a gift.
Thank you, God.
I could just, and more importantly, I want my son to know how much I love him and respect him.
There's nothing a parent could wish for is good children.
And I have that.
Well, folks, you know, I'm going to thank you so much.
And you want to introduce yourself because I don't think you've introduced yourself yet.
Introduce yourself at the end.
I am a mummy.
Tell them your name.
OK, my name is Helene Perlman.
There you go.
My life is...
for others, if I could be of help to others.
I am so proud also of my son and my daughter and my grandchildren and still be alive.
And this is the last, never mind me, the only advice I could give anybody that's listening.
Have a healthy life, good feelings toward your friends and your family.
Just live a good clean life and always, if you can, be curious.
That will keep you going also.
Not only for yourself, but for others.
It's there for you to use it.
And just everybody, good attitude and stay well.
That's it.
Okay, well, thanks for hanging out.
you know, again, this is coming from uh Warrior Saint and Love Life.
And uh you can see that it's good.
If you're going to be a Warrior Saint, it's good to be from the Lion's Den.
So you could see that coming from her house, I came from the Lion's Den and I continue that uh forward.
And thanks for joining us.
God bless you, sorry for, this is not the most uh professional production of it.
This was a make do kind of, but the material is uh really, really great and strong and thanks so much for uh giving us the honor of your time and energy.
So we see you soon.
I wanna hear, you wanna hear the joke?
Okay.
here's the joke.
Just wait a minute.
is humorous.
I...
looked in the mirror this morning, this morning, and I thought, my God, I still have my original teeth.
I don't have any false teeth.
My teeth, original.
And to this day, to this day, I'd learn to enjoy life and be curious and be healthy and...
Attitude, attitude, attitude.
That's all I'm leaving you with.
Attitude is very important.
It will get you and navigate you whatever problems you may have.
But having the right attitude will get you there.
Just attitude.
And uh with that, thank our special guest today.
My mom, the great Helene Perlman.
Vaheguru Ji Karkhala, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
Okay.