1 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,480 A year and a half ago, we risked it all and moved to France. We'll 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,120 be sharing about our life abroad, how people could do hard things to transform 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,720 their own lives and everything in between. This is Sophie and 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,920 Jordan Epton. Welcome to the Away We Go We Go podcast. 5 00:00:26,620 --> 00:00:30,420 Welcome back, you beautiful beauties, to another episode 6 00:00:30,420 --> 00:00:33,700 of the Away We Go We Go podcast. This is 7 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:37,500 Jordan rocking another solo episode 8 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:41,500 and a few reasons for that. Number one, 9 00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:44,860 Sophie's tired. Your girl just needs a break. 10 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:49,100 She's been going hard at a whole lot of different things, 11 00:00:49,340 --> 00:00:52,410 travel work included. I am actually 12 00:00:53,290 --> 00:00:56,410 speaking to you live from Southern 13 00:00:56,410 --> 00:00:59,770 California. However, in true this 14 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:03,490 podcast fashion, it's almost 11:30 at night. I think 15 00:01:03,490 --> 00:01:07,130 it's impossible for me, us to, 16 00:01:07,770 --> 00:01:11,370 unless we're coordinating with a guest, to actually 17 00:01:11,450 --> 00:01:15,290 do this at a reasonable time. And this is not a reasonable time these days. 18 00:01:15,290 --> 00:01:18,930 It just isn't. But I'm also excited to be doing this. Right 19 00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:22,650 now. Sophie needs a bit of a break. I'm excited to do a solo 20 00:01:22,650 --> 00:01:26,430 episode and part of the reason why 21 00:01:26,430 --> 00:01:29,910 I'm excited for it is it kind of relates to 22 00:01:30,310 --> 00:01:33,990 what I wanted to kind of chat about today and my topic 23 00:01:33,990 --> 00:01:36,710 for today, which is about just 24 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:41,110 being in a relationship and doing 25 00:01:41,110 --> 00:01:43,670 something like moving abroad or doing something hard. 26 00:01:44,950 --> 00:01:48,470 So today is actually also very special. Today 27 00:01:48,550 --> 00:01:52,190 is Sophie and my 12. 28 00:01:54,750 --> 00:01:58,510 My English is progressively getting worse no matter what country I'm in. 29 00:01:58,670 --> 00:02:01,790 It's our 12 year anniversary. 12 year wedding anniversary. 30 00:02:02,510 --> 00:02:06,310 It's a soft anniversary because we kind of did, I 31 00:02:06,310 --> 00:02:09,430 can't remember to what extent we've talked about this in the past, but we kind 32 00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:12,670 of did a deconstructed wedding. We had 33 00:02:13,390 --> 00:02:16,750 basically a private destination wedding. We didn't exactly 34 00:02:16,750 --> 00:02:20,480 elope. I have talked about this before because eloping is, I 35 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,320 think you just get married and you don't tell anybody about it. We told people 36 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,160 about it for better or worse, but we ended up just getting married in Argentina 37 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,480 with the two of us. And that was on October 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,040 26th. It is now October 19th when I'm recording 39 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,800 this. And this was the day that we did a justice of 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,080 the peace ceremony in our backyard of our house in Austin. 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,160 We had our parents and a couple close friends 42 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,230 fly in and we kind of celebrated with like our Austin 43 00:02:49,460 --> 00:02:53,220 in people and we threw a party at our 44 00:02:53,220 --> 00:02:56,860 house. We had bought this house earlier in the 45 00:02:56,860 --> 00:03:00,540 year or hardly prepped to throw a party, 46 00:03:00,540 --> 00:03:04,140 especially at Sophie standards. But we did it anyways. We made it 47 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:07,860 happen. Obviously it was very important for us to have our community 48 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:11,300 and our people around us so 12 49 00:03:11,380 --> 00:03:14,980 years in of what I would like to call 50 00:03:14,980 --> 00:03:17,940 a very successful marriage, I think it's going great. 51 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,240 I thought it would just kind of be fun to talk about just 52 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,280 the experience and how moving abroad kind 53 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,680 of has been a part of our marriage 54 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,480 and the experience 55 00:03:34,279 --> 00:03:37,720 of going through really 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,560 crazy and hard changes and life 57 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,840 altering decisions and massive 58 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,890 adventures and how that can absolutely 59 00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:51,570 impact your relationship. I believe 60 00:03:52,050 --> 00:03:55,690 in our relationship right now for the better. I want to say 61 00:03:55,690 --> 00:03:59,130 it, you know, but it doesn't come without its. Its 62 00:03:59,130 --> 00:04:01,770 struggles and its ups and downs. So I kind of wanted to get into that 63 00:04:01,770 --> 00:04:05,170 today because I thought that would be fun and a fun way to kind of 64 00:04:05,570 --> 00:04:08,610 recap kind of our journey and how we got here. 65 00:04:09,250 --> 00:04:12,610 So I think, you know, going back to 66 00:04:12,850 --> 00:04:16,430 the actual, like, leap that we had taken, 67 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:19,550 you know, the idea to move abroad 68 00:04:20,270 --> 00:04:24,030 came from both of us long before we ever met. Like, 69 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:27,710 I think this was just always going to happen for both of us. 70 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:32,230 Fortunate that we met each other. And this was both something that was 71 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:35,910 really important because I think it helped make it work. You 72 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:39,750 know, I. As I had talked about in a previous episode, we 73 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:43,520 both did a couple solo episodes a couple months back. Mine 74 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,880 talking about my experience living in Argentina, Sophie talking about her experience 75 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,840 studying abroad in Florence, Italy. And again, those 76 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:54,440 experience shaped the opportunity that we had, 77 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,999 even becoming really good friends when we first met. 78 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,320 And so I think that this idea was ingrained. I remember 79 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,960 a trip that we had taken really early in our 80 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,670 relationship. I think we had been together for like maybe not even a year. 81 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:13,790 And we took a trip to Spain and Italy. And when we 82 00:05:13,790 --> 00:05:17,510 got back, both of us, like very easily and 83 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:21,030 effortlessly were like, oh yeah, I could live in Europe 84 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:24,550 for sure. Now. That didn't materialize for another 85 00:05:24,630 --> 00:05:28,270 15 years, but the seed was planted way before 86 00:05:28,270 --> 00:05:31,870 that. I think it's. We started farming that 87 00:05:31,870 --> 00:05:35,670 seed. This is a terrible analogy for me, but we started farming that seed together 88 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:39,950 in 2010. And okay, it wasn't 15 years, 89 00:05:39,950 --> 00:05:43,790 but damn near when we finally were able to make the move. But 90 00:05:43,870 --> 00:05:47,670 I do remember leading up to it, you know, obviously there 91 00:05:47,670 --> 00:05:51,470 were a ton of conversations and we, 92 00:05:51,870 --> 00:05:55,310 as we have said in the past, we absolutely planned to move 93 00:05:55,390 --> 00:05:59,190 before having kids. So we had talked a 94 00:05:59,190 --> 00:06:02,510 lot about, you know, the pros and cons 95 00:06:02,830 --> 00:06:06,270 of moving. And I think we even had a big whiteboard 96 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:09,940 because I think it's one of those things where, like, it's really 97 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:13,180 romantic until it's real and then 98 00:06:13,820 --> 00:06:16,940 the romantic things start to 99 00:06:17,820 --> 00:06:21,380 blend a little bit with the real stuff and you start kind of 100 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:25,180 questioning, like, okay, is this still romantic, or 101 00:06:25,180 --> 00:06:28,460 is this, like, great in an ideal 102 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,860 mindset? But the reality is it's actually not romantic at 103 00:06:32,860 --> 00:06:36,070 all. And so we had a huge pros and cons list, 104 00:06:36,390 --> 00:06:39,750 and the pros list obviously far 105 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:43,590 outweighed the cons list. But this was, like, 106 00:06:43,590 --> 00:06:47,430 a big part of our prep. And I think 107 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:51,190 we both had hopes and fears before moving. 108 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:54,950 I know for me, you know, one of my hopes was to kind of 109 00:06:55,270 --> 00:06:58,910 not. Not redo or revisit, but 110 00:06:58,910 --> 00:07:02,670 just, like, not even full repeat, but in some ways repeat the 111 00:07:02,670 --> 00:07:06,510 feelings that I had when I moved to Argent, you know, for any of 112 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:10,310 you who have studied abroad, traveled abroad, had 113 00:07:10,310 --> 00:07:13,830 a travel abroad experience where it was just, 114 00:07:13,830 --> 00:07:17,550 like, really special and really connecting, 115 00:07:17,790 --> 00:07:21,549 and you kind of want to recreate that. That's the kind of, like, 116 00:07:21,710 --> 00:07:25,510 is this romantic? Is this realistic? Was that a vacation thing? Was 117 00:07:25,510 --> 00:07:29,350 that a study abroad thing? Was that a I'm going to move here for a 118 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:33,160 while, knowing that there's, like, a 119 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,520 return ticket or an end. So there is 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,520 some callousness that you can have when you do that. 121 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,680 And I think my hopes were, I still want to have 122 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,360 that feeling again. And I know for Sophie, it was a lot 123 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,080 of just the exposure to travel and art and architecture 124 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,600 and language and just being really 125 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,920 inspired. She's so visually driven 126 00:07:59,540 --> 00:08:03,220 and aesthetically driven, and her life is around, like, 127 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:06,900 design and how that fits in into everything. 128 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:11,060 So I think just being really inspired was really important for her, 129 00:08:11,780 --> 00:08:15,499 and it is for me as well. And obviously, we both overlap in 130 00:08:15,499 --> 00:08:18,540 both of these, but. And I'm not fully speaking for her, because she could say 131 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:22,020 something totally different. She'd be like, that's nice, buddy, but not my real thing. 132 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:25,860 But I just really wanted to connect back to that feeling. 133 00:08:26,350 --> 00:08:29,790 But I think the fear that I had was 134 00:08:29,950 --> 00:08:33,590 that I wouldn't, like, be able to reconnect to 135 00:08:33,590 --> 00:08:37,430 that and that it was like, that was a time in my 136 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:40,990 life when I could do that, and this is different now, for whatever reason. 137 00:08:41,550 --> 00:08:45,390 And I was also just worried, like, you know, we had spent over a decade 138 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:49,150 really building up our life, our lives 139 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:52,990 together and our bank account and 140 00:08:53,860 --> 00:08:57,220 our friendships and just our careers. 141 00:08:57,860 --> 00:09:01,660 And I was just worried that, like, we were gonna just fuck that up. We 142 00:09:01,660 --> 00:09:05,420 were gonna move abroad and just, like, poke a 143 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:09,220 hole in the balloon and just, like, slowly deplete 144 00:09:09,220 --> 00:09:12,260 all of this stuff that we had worked on and, like, start from scratch, 145 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:16,500 which, at the same time, again, I was also excited about. It was 146 00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:20,300 weird, but I think, you know, the older we got some 147 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:23,750 of the hopes and fears were not super extreme, 148 00:09:23,990 --> 00:09:27,510 you know, and I think we talked a lot about that whole 149 00:09:27,910 --> 00:09:31,710 what is the dream and what's the day to day reality and what are the 150 00:09:31,710 --> 00:09:35,510 differences there? And, you know, I've talked about this in the past where, like, 151 00:09:35,510 --> 00:09:39,310 if it's a vacation spot, that's great for a little bit, especially when 152 00:09:39,310 --> 00:09:43,110 you first arrive, but, you know, when you're doing day to day stuff and you 153 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:46,470 have days or, you know, consecutive days where 154 00:09:46,870 --> 00:09:50,570 you're not doing super adventurous stuff, you know, 155 00:09:50,570 --> 00:09:54,210 like, that doesn't always happen, you know, then you're just doing life 156 00:09:54,210 --> 00:09:58,050 stuff, and then it starts to get a little bit fuzzy when people 157 00:09:58,050 --> 00:10:01,570 are asking you like, oh my gosh, what have you done lately? You're living there. 158 00:10:01,570 --> 00:10:05,130 What a dream. And again, it is a dream, 159 00:10:05,290 --> 00:10:09,050 but it's a dream that we've made a reality, 160 00:10:09,210 --> 00:10:12,770 you know, so when other people say, what a dream? And you're 161 00:10:12,770 --> 00:10:16,280 there doing it, like, that's, I think, the jump, 162 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,000 right? But for us at the time, it was like, this is 163 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,080 the dream. This is like what we want it to be. This is the hope 164 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,440 knowing it's gonna change, but not knowing how. So I think 165 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,200 that whole thing, our second episode that we had done to this podcast, 166 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,800 was about our why. And this is where we spent a 167 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,560 ton of time just really getting familiar 168 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:42,200 with this because again, I think we both had the experience, so we both 169 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,600 knew there's gonna be some hard times, there's gonna be some days, 170 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,640 some weeks, some months where you're just like, I'm so frustrated. This 171 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,440 is so hard. And you better damn well 172 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,640 have that why and why you're there. And I think 173 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,400 this was really important for us to know beforehand 174 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,880 because I think the next big thing was just us 175 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,800 doing this together and watching how 176 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,250 this environment changed our dynamic. You know, there are 177 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:17,090 just certain things just had to start happening that either one 178 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:20,850 of us were stronger to take control of. And so I don't know if 179 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:24,610 it was necessarily relearning each other. I think, you know, 180 00:11:24,610 --> 00:11:28,290 Sophie and I are fortunate that by the time we moved, we had 181 00:11:28,290 --> 00:11:31,650 been together for, I mean, well, over a 182 00:11:31,650 --> 00:11:34,810 decade. You know, we had the twins, 183 00:11:35,370 --> 00:11:38,470 and, you know, we just. We've had a very 184 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:42,470 communicative and understanding relationship in terms of that. 185 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:46,270 And so I think we both were aware of that. We 186 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:49,830 had done a lot of work together in the past where 187 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:53,510 we very much understand our roles. And if it's not clear, 188 00:11:54,070 --> 00:11:57,830 Sophie's the boss, and I'm really good at 189 00:11:57,830 --> 00:12:01,390 knowing that so it works for us. But 190 00:12:01,390 --> 00:12:04,390 there still were, like, roles that shifted and 191 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,800 things that happened, you know, just due to the 192 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,400 nature of, like, our circumstance of, like, having the twins when we 193 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,120 both were working and how we could, you know, shift with 194 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,320 that. A lot of it turned into, like, 195 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,680 we've joked about this a lot in the past, that she's the brains and 196 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:27,520 I'm the brawn. Not. Not super brawny brawn, but brawn 197 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,800 enough. But she's definitely the brains, right? And so she does a lot of the 198 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,520 planning. She always has. She's far better at it. I've tried and actually 199 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,320 doesn't make things more fun, even though it's like, hey, Jordan, it would be 200 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,200 really nice if you'd plan things once in a while. And then I do it. 201 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,200 And she's like, hey, Jordan, it would be really nice if we could talk about 202 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,360 what you're thinking in the. Let me plan it. Because that works a 203 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,120 lot better. But a lot of the, hey, I'm going 204 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,920 to throw the twins in the stroller and go shopping and take them 205 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,600 out while you plan what we're going to eat. And 206 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,410 you're going to plan everything that I need to buy so I can go to 207 00:13:03,410 --> 00:13:06,610 the store and actually get it. Like, that quickly became, 208 00:13:07,010 --> 00:13:10,050 this is how this is going to work, and it works well, 209 00:13:10,930 --> 00:13:14,530 I like doing that. Not all the time. Not when the twins 210 00:13:14,530 --> 00:13:18,050 are acting like maniacs and I'm trying to do something. 211 00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:21,970 Like, that's the only time that it's really, really, really hard 212 00:13:21,970 --> 00:13:25,810 with them. Like, there's a lot of hard times, but it's hard when 213 00:13:25,810 --> 00:13:29,400 you're actually trying to do something productive and 214 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,040 they don't give a fuck. They're babies slash toddlers. They don't 215 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,560 care. Like, they don't care about your agenda. And so 216 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,960 I think that, you know where our roles have shifted 217 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,760 and, like, I'll take them with me and do a longer shopping trip because 218 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,440 it'll take longer, or I'll leave them at home and she'll 219 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,640 just take over during that time. But then I have to make up for it 220 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,120 later because that's eating into, like, her work time or her whatever else she needs 221 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,790 to do time, you know, in finding. I can't even 222 00:13:59,790 --> 00:14:03,510 call it balance because it's. We don't know balance 223 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:07,350 right now. We just know the things that need to happen and 224 00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:10,110 we do them, you know, she came in with 225 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:14,510 a background, having studied French and so her 226 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:18,790 overall structure and command of the language. I came with 227 00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:22,510 virtually nothing other than my experience learning 228 00:14:22,590 --> 00:14:25,820 Spanish. But because I 229 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:29,820 have become the errand boy, 230 00:14:30,140 --> 00:14:33,900 so to speak, I've had to just kind of get over that shit quickly 231 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:37,740 and just learn. And it's really funny 232 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:41,780 when we're together and I'm still in the mindset of I'm 233 00:14:41,780 --> 00:14:45,340 going to be the one talking, asking questions, trying to do stuff, and 234 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:50,340 she just knows better, so she'll correct me. And it's so 235 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:54,180 funny because I. I don't give a fuck when 236 00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:57,980 I say something dumb, because I say dumb things in English 237 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,900 all the time, let alone French. I almost 238 00:15:00,980 --> 00:15:04,660 exclusively say dumb shit in French. And she 239 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:08,340 has a background in it, and so she almost gets, like, a little bit 240 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:12,020 embarrassed for me, even though she's not really embarrassed when she makes mistakes. 241 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:16,460 It's a funny thing. And then she'll correct me, and she's like, oh, you didn't 242 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:19,860 say that right at all. It goes like this. I'm like, oh, okay. I don't 243 00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:23,400 know. Did they look like it was awkward? And she's like, no. I'm like, okay, 244 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,040 cool. So we're good, you know, but there's just been a lot 245 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,880 that, like, things like that that have been really fun and, like, strengthened our 246 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,520 bond. And then there's been a lot that's just, like, small things 247 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,320 that, like, really test our partnership, you know, and 248 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,920 not in any sort of, like, serious 249 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,840 degree, but it's still a test. It's still something that, like, 250 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,920 you know, we encounter something that's frustrating. And, like, it. It 251 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,720 sometimes takes us, like, a few days to, like, get our heads 252 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,000 right again, you know, And. And, like, 253 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,080 look, we're not some, like, Instagram 254 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,000 family even. Well, actually, Sophie does an amazing, beautiful job with our Instagram and 255 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,680 actually probably does show a lot of the, like, really nice stuff. But, 256 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,000 like, we've talked about it on here, and the whole point of this podcast was 257 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,180 to, like, not be fucking bullshitty and 258 00:16:15,580 --> 00:16:18,860 pretentious about it. It's very real. We struggle 259 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:22,620 all the time, and there's just times where 260 00:16:23,820 --> 00:16:26,940 both of us are operating at fucking 10%. 261 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:31,260 Nobody's good when you're at 10% and you got an empty cup 262 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:34,780 and you can't fill your own, let alone somebody else's. 263 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:39,270 And I think that it's just. It's been a 264 00:16:39,830 --> 00:16:43,670 renewed learning experience of each other of, like, 265 00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:46,950 hey, this is just a different level of stress 266 00:16:47,510 --> 00:16:51,270 and tests and the things that are really frustrating, 267 00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:55,070 you know, and there's things that, like, if she's having a really tough 268 00:16:55,070 --> 00:16:58,870 time, and because these are such new experiences, maybe 269 00:16:58,870 --> 00:17:02,710 I'm a little bit quicker to just say, like, hey, it's 270 00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:06,129 not that big of a deal. And like brush it off. Where like 271 00:17:06,289 --> 00:17:09,649 in the length of relationship we've had and our 272 00:17:09,649 --> 00:17:13,329 communication style, like, I don't really do that often with her. 273 00:17:13,329 --> 00:17:17,169 When we're dealing with stuff that we're familiar with, but with new stuff, 274 00:17:17,169 --> 00:17:20,889 obviously we are newer parents, especially when we 275 00:17:20,889 --> 00:17:24,729 moved, we were. And moving to a new country and figuring all this 276 00:17:24,729 --> 00:17:28,569 other shit out, like it's a whole lot of new. So we 277 00:17:28,569 --> 00:17:32,100 really had to reorient 278 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:35,460 ourselves with how we communicate and 279 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:39,860 how we listen because we're both having like 280 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:44,060 varied experiences here just by the nature of what we're both 281 00:17:44,060 --> 00:17:47,660 doing. And so I think that that has 282 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:50,420 been really interesting and 283 00:17:51,140 --> 00:17:54,580 really fun when we get to have 284 00:17:54,660 --> 00:17:57,700 like the date nights or the like 285 00:17:57,700 --> 00:18:01,280 reflection times to actually like, zoom out. 286 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,120 I think that's like the most interesting thing for me 287 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:08,840 because we, we both can be in the weeds for 288 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,400 like weeks on end. And when we zoom 289 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,080 out, you know, today and this, this whole weekend, you know, with it 290 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,720 being our anniversary, like, we've had a chance to like do some of that reflection 291 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,200 and zoom out a little bit and just say, fuck yeah, 292 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,240 this is crazy and like, really fun what we've been doing. 293 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,670 And it's hard, but like, oh my gosh, I 294 00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:34,270 totally believe in us and what we're doing and our decisions. And it's like, 295 00:18:34,510 --> 00:18:38,110 I think those little step away points have been 296 00:18:38,110 --> 00:18:41,830 really, really helpful for us, especially because the 297 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:45,470 third point was. We've talked about this in the past. 298 00:18:45,630 --> 00:18:49,310 We are on an island. I don't care which fucking way you 299 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:52,910 slice it, we're on an island. Most days are 300 00:18:53,150 --> 00:18:56,500 just, just the two of us with the twins, both working, 301 00:18:57,380 --> 00:19:01,020 doing the drop off and pick up, you 302 00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:04,660 know, making dinner, putting them to bed, doing all of our other 303 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:08,180 stuff in between. And you know, when, when 304 00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:11,860 time zones are different from friends that you could just call, 305 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:15,220 you know, after the, the twins go to bed. And we like, we can still 306 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:18,860 do that because it's daytime for a lot of, you know, the people that we 307 00:19:18,860 --> 00:19:22,640 would call. But by that point, like, we're so trashed and like, 308 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,560 I don't know, just sometimes you can't do it and you're just far away 309 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:30,960 from friends and family. And it's not like you can pop 310 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,640 out to a store or a normal place that you go to 311 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,840 and see your friends of like 10 years 312 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,240 or family or anything like that. Like, we really are in 313 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,960 this world of two, obviously four with the twins, but like, we're just in 314 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,600 this world of two. And again, if 315 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,400 we're dealing with conflict or we're both super 316 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,080 depleted, that's where we 317 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,080 are constantly having to relearn in the new environment. And 318 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,840 I think sometimes it's just been really hard. And 319 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,160 I think we have a good way of doing it together. We talk to each 320 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,080 other and we're just like, dude, I'm really low right now. And it's like, I 321 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,260 know you are, and I am too. And sorry I was fucking 322 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:18,020 terse with you earlier. I'm just having a fucking 323 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:21,940 week right now. And I think that 324 00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:25,820 our self awareness of that and our respect for each 325 00:20:25,820 --> 00:20:29,580 other, that, hey, you look like you're operating at 10% right 326 00:20:29,580 --> 00:20:32,860 now. You're just like, you're snapping really quickly. You're really 327 00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:36,100 impatient over things that you're normally not impatient about. 328 00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:40,020 I think recognizing that has been really huge for us because, 329 00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:44,620 you know when you're feeling homesick, when you 330 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:48,300 don't have your old support network accessible, 331 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:52,060 in the same way you can't have friends pop by that 332 00:20:52,060 --> 00:20:55,300 normally used to pop by because you're 333 00:20:55,780 --> 00:20:58,580 thousands and thousands of miles away. And 334 00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:03,060 we're starting to build that. But some of what we had built was 335 00:21:03,620 --> 00:21:06,990 years and years and years in the making. And so 336 00:21:07,630 --> 00:21:11,150 I talked about this a couple episodes ago where I 337 00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:14,670 referenced just the helpful things that you can do, but 338 00:21:15,630 --> 00:21:19,070 date nights, just going on walks, doing 339 00:21:19,150 --> 00:21:22,670 things, small things together, or even giving each other 340 00:21:22,670 --> 00:21:26,510 time to be like, hey, go do this. Go. I 341 00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:30,030 got this. I think that's just been 342 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:33,740 really useful because, you know, 343 00:21:34,220 --> 00:21:37,340 everything that you do as a, as a couple, 344 00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:42,180 again, like this. I'm not a relationship advice 345 00:21:42,180 --> 00:21:45,900 person, but like, everything that we do as a couple, when we take on 346 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:49,740 new adventures, there is a bit of a reset in like, not 347 00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:53,180 knowing how to deal with the hard stuff. Even though we've dealt with hard stuff 348 00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:57,620 thousands of times before, you know, but this is like a totally new 349 00:21:57,620 --> 00:22:01,370 flavor and we've definitely 350 00:22:01,370 --> 00:22:05,170 had to trial and error a lot of stuff and call 351 00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:08,930 each other out while also really supporting each other. 352 00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:13,410 And I think for us, you know, a lot of what we've 353 00:22:13,410 --> 00:22:17,210 recognized is just like we're falling in 354 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:20,810 love, like even more and doing it again, you know, I 355 00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:24,210 mean, look, we're living in Provence, so it's just 356 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:27,920 fucking stupid to not think that, like, 357 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,720 it's romantic. Like when we have date nights and we go on walks, 358 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,520 I mean, it is not lost on us that, you know, when we were walking 359 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,360 through like weird residential areas of Austin 360 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,160 that we wanted to like, try out that were like, fucking shanty 361 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,760 shacks with, like, fucking rabid dogs behind 362 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,480 a chain link fence. And you're like, don't trust that fence. Like, 363 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,640 that's a very different experience. And neither of us are Texans, so it's not like 364 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,380 we walked around with like, shit kicking cowboy boots where we're like, I 365 00:22:57,380 --> 00:23:00,940 don't give a shit about that dog. You come on over, I'll control you. I 366 00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:03,460 don't do that. I can fake the accent, but 367 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,460 that's not me, man. And so I think 368 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:11,220 it's not lost on us that we're in this insanely, 369 00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:14,980 beautifully romantic place and we get to 370 00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:18,660 experience it together. And we get to say, like, holy shit, we live 371 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:22,300 here, we moved here, we uprooted everything and we 372 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:26,080 moved here. And we could only do 373 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,840 that with an absolute best friend. And 374 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,280 I've said this to Sophie for such 375 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,080 a long time, but, I mean, we've been 376 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,760 best friends since very early on. But she is my favorite best 377 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,360 friend I've ever had. And I've had a lot of awesome best friends that I 378 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:47,560 still have and love you, but 379 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,360 Sophie's been my favorite best friend I've ever had in my 380 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:55,060 life. And I think that even being able to 381 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:58,860 watch each other learn and do cool things, like 382 00:23:58,860 --> 00:24:02,020 when I watch her have, like, full conversations in French 383 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:06,300 and I'm just, like, watching her, like, I don't understand everything that's going on. 384 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:09,860 I'm like, that's so fucking cool. You're so fucking cool. Like, 385 00:24:09,860 --> 00:24:12,820 catch me up to that. Like, it's just. It's so fun. 386 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:16,260 And, you know, we are put into 387 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:19,940 circumstances where we have to learn new things and we get to learn new things 388 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:23,530 about each other. And I think the whole adventure, again, 389 00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:27,290 it's not like an everyday thing where you're doing that, but often 390 00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:31,450 when we're reflecting back, we can just say, 391 00:24:31,690 --> 00:24:35,490 wow, we've done this, we've done this, we've done this, we've 392 00:24:35,490 --> 00:24:39,130 learned this. And it's just, I think, really, really 393 00:24:39,130 --> 00:24:42,810 fun and revitalizing to just continue 394 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:45,930 to reconnect and build this relationship. And. 395 00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:51,380 And proud. I think we're both super proud of each other. And 396 00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:54,500 like, all of these, you know, feelings 397 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,420 like, absolutely get us through the days and weeks 398 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:02,260 that are just relentlessly exhausting. 399 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:06,900 And so I think, you know, the last thing that I'll kind of leave with. 400 00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:10,380 And again, I don't want to call it advice because I don't really think I'm, 401 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:13,780 like, capable of advice. I think advice is for 402 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:17,160 professionals and and people who know how to 403 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,880 recreate something, and I don't know how to do that. All 404 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,520 I can speak to is my experience, our experience. 405 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,080 And I think what we would tell 406 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,840 other people who are making a big move or 407 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,520 just starting something brand new and crazy, 408 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,520 which is first and foremost, like, understand 409 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,280 your why and make sure that there is some degree of 410 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,800 alignment or at least understanding there. Like, 411 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,200 I understand Sophie's why and she 412 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,640 understands mine. And I feel very 413 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,360 confident about that between the two of us. 414 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,280 And that absolutely helps because 415 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,440 you are introduced to new 416 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,030 decisions and new opportunities and. And 417 00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:12,710 it's just not always simple to 418 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:16,710 figure out your approach. Like, you know, you both might. 419 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:20,710 When you move somewhere, one of you might be like, you know 420 00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:24,470 what? I really want to just start making friends and meeting people 421 00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:28,310 and building this. And the other one might be like, I'm 422 00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:32,230 kind of good on that for a hot minute. I might just want to 423 00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:35,960 experience and just do my own thing. And 424 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,120 I don't need to get into commitments and big 425 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,680 social circles just yet. And 426 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,560 both are awesome. Obviously, that's a personal thing, but 427 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,600 if you're aligned on what's important to the other person, I 428 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000 mean, that's like every relationship. And those who are in one 429 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,240 know this. It's all about collaboration and compromise and 430 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,480 saying, I don't really want to do this, but you do, so let's go do 431 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,480 that. But then there's another day where if you want to do that, I don't. 432 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,640 We're not going to. So I think just trying to 433 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,400 understand each other's why is probably 434 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,760 my biggest piece of advice. Just having that conversation 435 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,480 and fucking not lying about it 436 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,600 and not bullshitting. And maybe that's the other thing is, like, be 437 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,440 honest. Don't create your why 438 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,040 around the romantic and the ideal. Only, 439 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,240 like, really know and really think through. Like, 440 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,160 if shit gets really tricky, what am I going to 441 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,200 be able to say to myself is, like, I know this is hard, but, like, 442 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,880 fuck it, I don't. Like, I know why I'm here, and I know 443 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,320 that this is not forever and this situation won't be forever. 444 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,400 Like, really know that and share that with each 445 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,680 other. Because that's going to be so helpful when 446 00:27:57,170 --> 00:28:00,850 unexpected things happen and you have to make adjustments quickly. 447 00:28:01,410 --> 00:28:04,850 I think staying connected when everything else feels 448 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:08,370 foreign is so important. And 449 00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:12,410 however you do that, you know, things that you 450 00:28:12,410 --> 00:28:16,170 do before you move, things that you do after, I think 451 00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:19,170 obviously after you move, there's so many, like I just said, 452 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:22,930 opportunities and experiences that you can 453 00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:25,630 create that are brand new That, I mean, 454 00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:30,710 having little dates or little excursions, like, it's going to be 455 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:33,870 easy for a while because there's just so much new. 456 00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:37,470 But it doesn't have to just be some adventure. It could be 457 00:28:37,870 --> 00:28:41,670 taking a language class and just doing that together for a 458 00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:45,310 while and seeing each other improve and just going 459 00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:49,030 through that learning experience together, where that is 460 00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:52,360 a huge connection or can be a huge connection to just 461 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,560 learn together and experience. And I think the 462 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,440 last thing is like, obviously 463 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,680 humor, being able to say to some extent it's just 464 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,240 not that serious. If you have the privilege to be able to 465 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,960 like move to another country with your partner or family 466 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,560 and like you're deciding to do that. Like, that is an absolute privilege to have 467 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,960 the choice to do that. Like a lot of the things, like, 468 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,560 they're just not that serious. Like just, you know, you sound 469 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,880 like an idiot with the language. You make a mistake, you drive on the wrong 470 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,720 side of the road, or you fuck something up, or you forget 471 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,280 something somewhere. I mean, it's gonna happen and you're gonna have 472 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,960 somebody come up to you, even if you're the person that normally is like 473 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,040 noticing things for other people. And then you 474 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,720 have somebody run up to you and hand you something like your 475 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,480 wallet that you left on the table at the cafe. That I definitely didn't do. 476 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,200 This is a story about somebody else. And you have somebody at the 477 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,960 restaurant run after you and give it back to you and smile and you feel 478 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,720 like an idiot and you're just like, whatever. Thank you for 479 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,440 bringing that back to me. That was awesome. I appreciate you. Very kind young 480 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,280 gentleman waiter who shall remain nameless. Because this is 481 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,960 definitely not my story. For sure, for sure, for sure. 482 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,630 I, I think being able to laugh at yourself is pretty, pretty good, pretty 483 00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:18,470 helpful no matter what, but especially in something like this and just 484 00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:22,310 being patient, patient with yourself, patient with each other. 485 00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:25,990 Like, it's really tricky as adults to do 486 00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:29,710 big new things and not have, like, be very 487 00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:33,430 critical of yourself and think that you should pick 488 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:36,790 certain things up really quickly when that's just not always 489 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:40,630 realistic. And it's easy to be impatient with yourself. 490 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:45,610 It might be easier to be patient with your partner in some 491 00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:49,290 ways, but there could be other ways where you're way less patient because 492 00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:52,530 there's something that you've kind of grasped pretty quickly and 493 00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:56,450 maybe they haven't or they're not comfortable with it yet and you find 494 00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:59,850 yourself being really impatient with them. And just the self 495 00:30:59,850 --> 00:31:03,690 awareness, like, this is just like your relationship in general. 496 00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:07,370 It's teamwork. It's a partnership. I'm super proud to have a 497 00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:11,040 partnership with Sophie after a soft 12 years, 498 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,080 hard 12 years, next week, probably by the time this gets released or close 499 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,920 to, I think that we've, like, 500 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,480 we. We definitely have a lot of moments where 501 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,760 we're. We kind of look at each other and we're like, yeah, fucking 502 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,920 hell yeah. Hell yeah, us. We're fucking doing it. 503 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,760 We're making it happen. We are terrified almost 504 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,270 all the time, but we're just doing it together 505 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:40,550 anyways and it's been really fun. And so 506 00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:44,310 anyways, I'm gonna wrap up. I think for me it was 507 00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:47,870 exciting to talk about our experience from this 508 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:50,230 perspective because 509 00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:55,430 I'm so proud of our marriage and our relationship 510 00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:58,790 and I'm just excited to 511 00:31:59,910 --> 00:32:03,270 continue to celebrate anniversaries and keep reflecting. 512 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,600 We're really proud of ourselves. We've been here for 513 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,960 over two years and just within 514 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,080 our relationship, getting to sit there and be proud of each 515 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,760 other and talk about what we've done, what we've accomplished, 516 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,320 how far we've stepped out of our comfort zone, to what extent 517 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,960 we think maybe we're thriving. Mostly 518 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,200 just surviving, but trying to thrive and 519 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,070 some weeks doing a really great job at that. I just, 520 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:37,830 I've really enjoyed the experience of doing this 521 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:42,110 together because the last time we both did this, 522 00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:45,910 it was us individually, you know, and I think 523 00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:49,670 it just reiterates that, you know, home isn't a place, 524 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:53,990 it's a person and the choice that you keep making 525 00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:58,350 and, you know, it's our adventure in growing 526 00:32:58,350 --> 00:33:01,270 together and doing this. And so if you're 527 00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:04,630 dreaming about making a big move with your partner 528 00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:09,270 again, it's not always going to be easy, but it's 529 00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:13,070 definitely worth every moment that you 530 00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:16,630 can really exponentially grow 531 00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:21,110 this adventure and experience together. And I think 532 00:33:21,910 --> 00:33:24,950 it can create a very deep 533 00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:28,470 appreciation for what you're capable of in your 534 00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:31,880 relationship if you can both remove yourself from 535 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,000 comfort together and do that together. 536 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,040 It's a little bit oversimplified to 537 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,600 say that it's an incredible team building exercise, 538 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,960 but to some extent it does have that 539 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,800 feel and is very fun. So since I'm flying solo, I'll 540 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,280 just leave the little Sophie. I love you and happy anniversary. 541 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,120 And here's to 12 more and beyond. 542 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,480 And to you, listener, thanks for 543 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,160 sticking it out through this one and hearing this perspective of 544 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,640 the story and for continuing to listen. So if 545 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,640 you like what we're doing and what we're talking about, please share. 546 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:17,480 And like. And the last thing, actually, I'm going to 547 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,200 leave this if you've made it this far. A fun little 548 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,630 thought exercise and some send us through 549 00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:28,310 DMs in the Eptins on Instagram or 550 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:32,310 TikTok, or through the podcast, wherever you can. But top three 551 00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:35,590 places if you had somebody gifting you 552 00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:39,670 like a house, condo, whatever, and said you can have them in 553 00:34:39,670 --> 00:34:43,430 three places anywhere in the world, what would your 554 00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:46,390 three places be? For example, 555 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:50,390 I think at some point Sophie had said Provence, 556 00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:54,870 London, Southern California somewhere, maybe San Diego. 557 00:34:54,870 --> 00:34:58,470 I don't know, I'm in San Diego. So easy to say here. What would your 558 00:34:58,470 --> 00:35:02,190 three be? I'm super curious about this one and I would love to hear that 559 00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:04,870 from people. Like again, this is like the 560 00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:09,230 fantasy lottery. Like somebody gifts you a 561 00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:12,870 property and they pay for it. I don't know. Where would your three places 562 00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:16,710 be? Super fun to think about. I'm gonna go think about mine 563 00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:20,140 again and I'll get back to you with that at some point. But 564 00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:22,700 thanks. I love you. Have a great day. 565 00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:28,220 Thank you so much for listening to today's episode. Don't forget 566 00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:32,060 to subscribe, rate us and leave a review if you love what you hear 567 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:35,140 and you can follow us on Instagram and TikTok 568 00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:38,940 @theeptons. See you guys soon.