WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.074 --> 00:00:01.824 Matt: One and a two, 00:00:01.839 --> 00:00:02.299 Alison: and a 1, 00:00:02.299 --> 00:00:03.069 2, 3, go. 00:00:03.069 --> 00:00:03.249 Woo. 00:00:03.741 --> 00:00:04.191 Matt: yeah. 00:00:04.221 --> 00:00:07.011 It's gonna be another wild and wacky ride today. 00:00:07.942 --> 00:00:08.402 Alison: I feel like, 00:00:09.172 --> 00:00:12.322 I feel like there is a, a, a palpable difference when we 00:00:12.322 --> 00:00:14.322 record on Friday versus Tuesday. 00:00:15.562 --> 00:00:15.982 Like, 00:00:16.882 --> 00:00:20.992 I feel like by, by Fridays we have no foxes left to give. 00:00:21.202 --> 00:00:21.492 Matt: Yeah. 00:00:22.242 --> 00:00:22.532 Yeah. 00:00:22.787 --> 00:00:26.147 You have a very interesting topic today, Alison. 00:00:26.619 --> 00:00:31.989 You know, we, we have had such fun, so many fun guests this year already. 00:00:32.349 --> 00:00:37.929 And we have been talking nothing but going to GenCon and and all these other things. 00:00:38.499 --> 00:00:44.229 Um, and you were like, Hey Matt, is there anything else? 00:00:45.391 --> 00:00:50.221 Alison: Do, do, we have personalities outside of ADHD and D&D? 00:00:50.781 --> 00:00:55.160 Uh, my hypothesis is no, personally. 00:00:56.539 --> 00:00:57.969 Matt: Okay, so that's the hypothesis. 00:00:58.019 --> 00:01:04.079 You have a hypothesis, and we're going to test this theory today on the ninth 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.789 episode of the second season of ADHd20. 00:01:07.809 --> 00:01:14.723 Which is a podcast where find the intersection between ADHD 00:01:14.723 --> 00:01:17.103 and TTRPGs 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:18.310 Alison: Yeah. 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:19.799 Matt: That's it. 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:20.779 And I'm Matt. 00:01:22.009 --> 00:01:22.720 Alison: Oh, right. 00:01:22.750 --> 00:01:23.980 Hi, I'm Alison. 00:01:24.240 --> 00:01:25.870 Matt: Hi Alison. 00:01:26.250 --> 00:01:26.800 Alison: Hi Matt. 00:01:27.600 --> 00:01:32.545 Uh, but before we get into the topic and how, and how I came up with the topic, 00:01:32.935 --> 00:01:35.035 Uh, which is a story in and of itself. 00:01:35.065 --> 00:01:36.415 Why don't we, oh crap. 00:01:36.445 --> 00:01:37.825 I don't have my D 100. 00:01:37.825 --> 00:01:40.790 You would think after 20 something episodes of this, we would be 00:01:40.790 --> 00:01:43.935 prepared for our own podcast. 00:01:43.975 --> 00:01:46.005 But we're not. 00:01:46.320 --> 00:01:47.150 Oh, God. 00:01:47.150 --> 00:01:48.470 Dopamine, yes. 00:01:49.100 --> 00:01:49.550 So good. 00:01:50.784 --> 00:01:51.074 Matt: Okay. 00:01:51.154 --> 00:01:51.934 Alison: You wanna go first? 00:01:52.677 --> 00:01:58.347 Matt: I will go first on the ADHd100 table, lovingly crafted 00:01:58.347 --> 00:02:00.687 by you and our friend Fitz. 00:02:02.007 --> 00:02:04.200 Um, I rolled an 89. 00:02:04.917 --> 00:02:05.297 Alison: All right. 00:02:06.077 --> 00:02:07.017 89. 00:02:07.352 --> 00:02:14.045 Uh, what is one viral trend that you have participated in? 00:02:15.184 --> 00:02:15.404 Matt: Wow. 00:02:16.565 --> 00:02:16.985 Alison: I 00:02:17.045 --> 00:02:22.025 love that I get to ask the ultimate hipster who hates conformity, what 00:02:22.025 --> 00:02:23.795 viral trends you have participated in. 00:02:24.627 --> 00:02:25.857 Matt: Oh boy. 00:02:26.342 --> 00:02:31.922 I feel like you as our marketing social media maven master, 00:02:32.405 --> 00:02:33.995 would know better than me 00:02:34.825 --> 00:02:36.195 because I've tried to think. 00:02:36.635 --> 00:02:36.995 Okay. 00:02:37.405 --> 00:02:40.820 So I'm, I'm assuming that it, extends to like TikTok dances 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.820 and, uh, ice bucket challenges. 00:02:43.910 --> 00:02:44.270 I did. 00:02:44.270 --> 00:02:44.900 I've done neither 00:02:44.917 --> 00:02:45.137 Alison: All 00:02:45.300 --> 00:02:45.650 Matt: things. 00:02:45.790 --> 00:02:48.137 Alison: All of the things about the internet you hate the most. 00:02:48.142 --> 00:02:48.537 Exactly. 00:02:51.570 --> 00:02:51.790 Matt: Oh 00:02:51.872 --> 00:02:54.662 Alison: the way, in case anyone's curious, I have done both 00:02:54.662 --> 00:02:55.892 of the things that Matt just 00:02:56.042 --> 00:02:56.810 Matt: That I just mentioned. 00:02:56.810 --> 00:02:57.020 Yeah. 00:02:57.020 --> 00:02:58.370 I am stumped. 00:02:58.375 --> 00:02:59.300 Hold on, hold on. 00:02:59.300 --> 00:03:00.260 There's gotta be something. 00:03:00.477 --> 00:03:01.557 I'm, I'm not trying to be cool. 00:03:01.557 --> 00:03:02.037 I promise. 00:03:02.037 --> 00:03:03.657 I'm genuinely trying to, okay. 00:03:05.337 --> 00:03:06.587 Alison: I stumped Matt. 00:03:06.965 --> 00:03:07.955 Matt: I think you stumped me. 00:03:07.955 --> 00:03:08.825 I really do. 00:03:08.875 --> 00:03:13.230 Alison: I feel like even as it relates to maybe when we were like social media-ing 00:03:13.250 --> 00:03:18.974 together for Jump, we would do like, Man Candy Mondays and Woman Crush Wednesday 00:03:18.974 --> 00:03:22.004 posts and we did Throwback Thursday stuff. 00:03:22.004 --> 00:03:25.124 We even made up our own like hashtags. 00:03:25.134 --> 00:03:26.634 Matt: Go to Hell Tuesdays. 00:03:26.706 --> 00:03:28.416 Alison: Go to Hell Tuesdays, everybody's favorite. 00:03:28.667 --> 00:03:33.516 Matt: Uh, when, when these apps first came out, I did take an 00:03:33.836 --> 00:03:36.776 occasional picture of coffee or food. 00:03:36.998 --> 00:03:38.138 Alison: Oh yes. 00:03:38.198 --> 00:03:38.408 Yeah. 00:03:38.408 --> 00:03:40.538 You do your green posts on St. 00:03:40.543 --> 00:03:41.228 Patty's date. 00:03:41.477 --> 00:03:43.648 Matt: I do, I dye my food on St. 00:03:43.648 --> 00:03:45.658 Patrick's Day and then take a picture of it. 00:03:45.751 --> 00:03:46.041 Alison: Okay. 00:03:46.241 --> 00:03:46.691 There you go. 00:03:46.811 --> 00:03:47.521 See, see? 00:03:47.711 --> 00:03:48.311 Beautiful. 00:03:48.805 --> 00:03:49.875 Matt: God, that was hard. 00:03:50.025 --> 00:03:50.655 I'm sorry. 00:03:51.075 --> 00:03:51.915 I'll try to do better. 00:03:51.915 --> 00:03:52.215 I'll try. 00:03:52.605 --> 00:03:53.055 Please. 00:03:53.055 --> 00:03:56.025 Anybody listening, give me a viral trend that you think would be 00:03:56.025 --> 00:03:59.940 suitable for me that I wouldn't, you know, turn my nose up uh 00:03:59.956 --> 00:04:02.876 Alison: Oh, uh, Out your comfort zone, sir. 00:04:02.906 --> 00:04:06.116 Even if you will turn your nose up, it'll only make you stronger. 00:04:06.386 --> 00:04:08.306 Please, Discord community. 00:04:08.311 --> 00:04:12.086 Give Matt all the viral trends you would like to see him participate in. 00:04:14.901 --> 00:04:18.411 Our friendship has been all about you pushing me out of my comfort zone. 00:04:18.760 --> 00:04:19.270 Matt: Truth. 00:04:19.330 --> 00:04:19.660 Yeah. 00:04:19.821 --> 00:04:21.291 Alison: I think it, I think it's time. 00:04:21.730 --> 00:04:23.200 Matt: Time for, for, me to leave the nest. 00:04:23.205 --> 00:04:26.175 Okay, we'll see, uh, to be continued. 00:04:26.465 --> 00:04:30.255 Alison, what did you roll on the d 100 table? 00:04:31.676 --> 00:04:32.546 Alison: I rolled a nine. 00:04:33.001 --> 00:04:34.171 Matt: I think we've gotten this one. 00:04:34.711 --> 00:04:39.441 Yep, we have, so the only choice that you have, if we do our above 00:04:39.441 --> 00:04:42.171 or below, is, um, above, actually, 00:04:42.708 --> 00:04:43.128 Alison: All right. 00:04:43.128 --> 00:04:43.818 let's go up. 00:04:44.361 --> 00:04:45.801 Matt: Let's go up number 10. 00:04:46.131 --> 00:04:46.941 Number 10. 00:04:47.511 --> 00:04:52.011 Uh, if you could play only one D&D class for the rest of your 00:04:52.016 --> 00:04:56.181 life, what would it be and why? 00:04:57.398 --> 00:04:59.628 Alison: I feel like that's very similar to what I also know I've answered, 00:04:59.628 --> 00:05:01.158 which is, which is my favorite. 00:05:01.202 --> 00:05:01.567 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:05:01.581 --> 00:05:02.001 Mm-hmm. 00:05:03.348 --> 00:05:07.018 Alison: And here's it's, you know, it's gonna be a caster because I just 00:05:07.088 --> 00:05:11.088 feel like playing a brute, and maybe this is where I need to grow, right? 00:05:11.093 --> 00:05:15.198 Like, maybe I should commit to, I, you know, I, I'd be a barbarian 00:05:15.258 --> 00:05:17.148 and see how many different ways I could play a bruiser. 00:05:17.148 --> 00:05:18.438 Maybe that would be more fun. 00:05:18.858 --> 00:05:27.588 But I feel like if you choose some kind of caster, the possibilities to 00:05:27.588 --> 00:05:30.258 me in my brain seem more unlimited. 00:05:30.468 --> 00:05:34.668 I mean, even in the number of times I've played Sorcerer, for example, I've 00:05:34.673 --> 00:05:39.378 played different flavorings and I ch tend to choose my spells accordingly. 00:05:39.768 --> 00:05:43.918 So like I just played a Clockwork Soul Sorcerer last night. 00:05:44.238 --> 00:05:50.838 And I made sure to choose spells that were flavored for her kind of specific 00:05:50.838 --> 00:05:56.718 level of mind control, cuz she's all about like telekinesis and telepathy. 00:05:56.786 --> 00:06:01.401 Versus like I think of Cora, my Storm Sorcerer, whereas she's more 00:06:01.401 --> 00:06:03.081 about controlling the elements. 00:06:03.081 --> 00:06:06.261 And then of course there was my first Sorcerer, Lavinia who was all about 00:06:06.261 --> 00:06:08.331 fire and burning stuff to the ground. 00:06:09.051 --> 00:06:09.341 Fire. 00:06:09.346 --> 00:06:09.411 Fire. 00:06:10.315 --> 00:06:12.205 Matt: It sounds like Sorcerer is the answer, sounds... 00:06:12.216 --> 00:06:13.296 Alison: But I don't think it is. 00:06:13.716 --> 00:06:17.056 I'm not, I'm saying like a caster, because I think that's the answer 00:06:17.056 --> 00:06:18.676 everybody's expecting me to go for. 00:06:18.676 --> 00:06:20.206 So now I have to be a contrarian. 00:06:20.896 --> 00:06:22.066 I think it would be Druid. 00:06:22.436 --> 00:06:26.846 I just think that they're tanks and they're wildly interesting to play. 00:06:27.075 --> 00:06:27.525 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:06:27.795 --> 00:06:31.215 Alison: And so if I had to be gated to one, it, the, the first two 00:06:31.515 --> 00:06:33.285 that popped into my head were Monk. 00:06:34.005 --> 00:06:34.585 And Druid. 00:06:34.605 --> 00:06:35.815 And I think I'm gonna go Druid. 00:06:36.383 --> 00:06:36.983 Matt: Okay, man. 00:06:37.533 --> 00:06:39.903 Interesting and interesting. 00:06:40.330 --> 00:06:41.569 Well that was fun. 00:06:42.349 --> 00:06:44.984 Uh, stumped me and then you surprised me. 00:06:44.984 --> 00:06:45.504 Alison: And then I surprised 00:06:45.564 --> 00:06:46.374 Matt: Stumping and surprising. 00:06:46.606 --> 00:06:49.186 Alison: Um, alright, so today's topic. 00:06:49.186 --> 00:06:53.251 So let's, let's, let's back this train up and, I'll tell you how I got here. 00:06:53.551 --> 00:06:57.651 So first of all, I recognize for any of my friends and family listening, 00:06:58.641 --> 00:07:01.511 understand that all I talk about is D&D. 00:07:04.461 --> 00:07:07.191 I am so unapologetic about this. 00:07:07.750 --> 00:07:08.840 Matt: Good Good, good, Good, Mm-hmm. 00:07:09.981 --> 00:07:13.691 Alison: I don't want to talk about anything but D&D. 00:07:14.001 --> 00:07:14.901 Uh, I love it. 00:07:14.991 --> 00:07:17.361 Uh, and I'm gonna continue loving it for a very long time. 00:07:17.811 --> 00:07:20.871 Um, we kind of touched on this with the Dungeon Coach last 00:07:20.871 --> 00:07:26.971 episode, um, about starting to like ponder what is it about D&D? 00:07:26.991 --> 00:07:30.936 Why was this the thing that we just all gripped onto? 00:07:30.936 --> 00:07:34.716 And I have so many hypotheses there, but as I was thinking about that exact 00:07:34.716 --> 00:07:39.596 question, I began to wonder, could I go a whole day or even just a whole podcast 00:07:39.596 --> 00:07:42.726 episode without talking about D&D or 00:07:46.236 --> 00:07:47.096 Matt: Oh my gosh. 00:07:48.096 --> 00:07:50.426 Alison: Just as I mentioned to you, like we're all about pushing 00:07:50.426 --> 00:07:51.956 each other's not boundaries. 00:07:51.956 --> 00:07:53.576 I don't feel like you've ever crossed a bound, but we are 00:07:53.846 --> 00:07:54.056 Matt: Buttons! 00:07:54.176 --> 00:07:54.536 Alison: Know, like. 00:07:55.196 --> 00:07:59.246 Buttons or, you know Yeah, we do push each other's buttons, for sure. 00:08:00.086 --> 00:08:00.656 Um... 00:08:03.393 --> 00:08:07.063 But like, saying like, Hey, let's, let's expand our comfort zone. 00:08:07.436 --> 00:08:07.706 Ecamm: yes, 00:08:07.723 --> 00:08:08.083 Alison: Okay. 00:08:08.503 --> 00:08:09.828 That's, that's what I was trying to say. 00:08:09.961 --> 00:08:13.501 And so in that same sense, like, should we get out of our comfort 00:08:13.501 --> 00:08:15.721 zones and talk about something else? 00:08:16.351 --> 00:08:18.931 And the reason I was thinking about this is because I just went on a 00:08:18.931 --> 00:08:23.131 very long road trip talking about pushing myself out of my comfort zone. 00:08:23.156 --> 00:08:23.246 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:08:23.911 --> 00:08:29.401 Alison: I said yes to my first family vacation in over 20 years. 00:08:29.731 --> 00:08:41.791 And so I spent almost 48 hours with my parents driving from Charlotte, 00:08:41.796 --> 00:08:44.281 North Carolina to Freeport, Maine. 00:08:44.731 --> 00:08:49.951 I mean, the drive is only technically 16 hours, but with traffic and stops, 00:08:50.641 --> 00:08:52.621 It took us two days of travel to get there. 00:08:53.021 --> 00:08:54.641 This is one way that you and I differ. 00:08:54.646 --> 00:08:57.671 That's another topic we need to talk about one day is like we, there are a lot 00:08:57.676 --> 00:09:00.251 of ways you and I are similar, but there are so many ways that we are different. 00:09:00.251 --> 00:09:02.382 And and like I love, I love a car ride. 00:09:02.681 --> 00:09:03.471 I love a road trip. 00:09:04.635 --> 00:09:04.835 Matt: Hmm. 00:09:05.756 --> 00:09:09.146 Alison: But what I know about, I now know I, I need to be very selective 00:09:09.151 --> 00:09:10.286 with who's in that car with me. 00:09:12.135 --> 00:09:12.555 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:09:12.986 --> 00:09:14.666 Alison: Sorry, Mom and Dad, but you know, it's true. 00:09:15.303 --> 00:09:20.133 And I, I, I also just really love solo car trips. 00:09:20.163 --> 00:09:21.933 I think I, I love my friends. 00:09:21.933 --> 00:09:22.564 I love you, Matt. 00:09:22.593 --> 00:09:27.103 I will do pretty much anything in the world with, with you, but I like, I think 00:09:27.103 --> 00:09:30.853 road trips with myself more than anybody else, which is weird to say out loud. 00:09:31.726 --> 00:09:32.116 Matt: No. 00:09:32.116 --> 00:09:33.326 Alison: Wonder what that is about? 00:09:33.346 --> 00:09:34.396 Matt: I don't think you're alone. 00:09:34.456 --> 00:09:34.726 Yeah. 00:09:34.846 --> 00:09:36.196 I think there's others in the world. 00:09:36.943 --> 00:09:39.523 Alison: So as I, as I was in the car, and there were many times in the 00:09:39.523 --> 00:09:44.593 road trip that I just had to put my AirPods in and just listen to music, 00:09:44.653 --> 00:09:47.113 so as to not have to talk to my 00:09:47.326 --> 00:09:47.866 Matt: Wow. 00:09:47.866 --> 00:09:49.516 Just like a teenager. 00:09:49.521 --> 00:09:53.646 Just like a teenager, circa 16, 15. 00:09:53.713 --> 00:09:56.083 Alison: So I had a lot of, I had a lot of thinking time. 00:09:56.083 --> 00:09:56.483 So 00:09:56.483 --> 00:09:56.513 Matt: Uhhuh. 00:09:56.863 --> 00:10:01.723 Alison: Uh, what, what is it about, you know, ADHD and D&D and, and, and what are 00:10:01.723 --> 00:10:03.473 some other things we could talk about? 00:10:04.377 --> 00:10:05.701 Matt: Okay okay so here's the question. 00:10:05.701 --> 00:10:08.061 Did your parents tell you to stop talking about it? 00:10:08.061 --> 00:10:11.571 Or you just didn't talk D&D with them and then you couldn't, and then you were like, 00:10:11.571 --> 00:10:12.801 well, then I don't have anything to say. 00:10:13.693 --> 00:10:15.903 Alison: Uh, I couldn't talk about ADHD with them. 00:10:15.963 --> 00:10:19.143 Uh, I, I haven't even tried with D&D because I know that 00:10:19.148 --> 00:10:20.883 it's so weird to them that I 00:10:21.111 --> 00:10:21.391 Matt: Sure. 00:10:21.461 --> 00:10:22.161 Satanic. 00:10:22.331 --> 00:10:23.031 So Satanic. 00:10:23.031 --> 00:10:23.371 Alison: Yeah. 00:10:23.731 --> 00:10:26.493 Well my, thankfully my parents aren't part of the Satanic Panic. 00:10:26.583 --> 00:10:28.804 Uh, but they wouldn't get it. 00:10:28.883 --> 00:10:31.863 They barely get my love of theater. 00:10:32.013 --> 00:10:32.613 So 00:10:33.001 --> 00:10:33.291 Matt: Okay. 00:10:33.471 --> 00:10:33.621 Yeah, 00:10:33.783 --> 00:10:37.533 Alison: the fact that I spent hours, you know, like looking into a screen 00:10:37.533 --> 00:10:40.263 at my friends pretending to be anybody other than me, they would 00:10:40.268 --> 00:10:44.223 just, they wouldn't get, and I feel like, honestly, I feel like that's 00:10:44.313 --> 00:10:45.453 the case for a lot of my friends. 00:10:46.101 --> 00:10:46.401 Matt: Yeah. 00:10:46.743 --> 00:10:48.783 Alison: Probably some of my friends listening to this podcast 00:10:48.783 --> 00:10:51.826 right now are like, love Alison, but I don't freaking get it. 00:10:51.826 --> 00:10:56.346 Matt: So as I've mentioned before, I do use Marco Polo to stay in touch with 00:10:56.346 --> 00:11:01.111 certain friends, and a good friend named Mike Smith, who is big fan of the podcast. 00:11:01.501 --> 00:11:01.765 Yeah. 00:11:01.765 --> 00:11:03.995 Really loved the Dungeon Coach episode. 00:11:05.125 --> 00:11:07.795 And he said, I don't know the first thing about Dungeons & Dragons or 00:11:07.795 --> 00:11:09.685 role playing games, it's not my thing. 00:11:09.925 --> 00:11:13.885 Uh, and there are plenty of times where y'all are talking, I just go, but he said, 00:11:13.885 --> 00:11:22.301 but what, you try to do is to, present topics in such a way that is at least a 00:11:22.301 --> 00:11:24.041 little bit inclusive most of the time. 00:11:24.101 --> 00:11:30.641 And in this case, it was the Dungeon Coach as a creator of piece of of work. 00:11:30.881 --> 00:11:33.736 He, he could have been a writer, he could have been a playwright. 00:11:33.736 --> 00:11:35.596 He could have been a, a number of things. 00:11:35.601 --> 00:11:38.356 The point was we were inspired by this man. 00:11:38.506 --> 00:11:43.323 Who is, you know, taking a full-time, steady job and, and throwing it away, 00:11:43.983 --> 00:11:45.873 And, and then, you know, doing this thing. 00:11:45.993 --> 00:11:50.143 And, and Mike was like, I just want you to know that, uh, even though I 00:11:50.143 --> 00:11:53.373 don't know what you are talking about, it was still exceptionally cool. 00:11:53.378 --> 00:12:01.023 So my point being, uh, that I do feel this pain that you kind 00:12:01.023 --> 00:12:03.363 of, maybe, maybe it's not pain. 00:12:03.903 --> 00:12:10.083 I mean, we are unapologetic about it, but another part of this podcast could 00:12:10.088 --> 00:12:17.593 also just be, um, talking about these things that we love in the way that 00:12:18.323 --> 00:12:21.393 other people talk about their loves. 00:12:22.230 --> 00:12:22.740 Alison: Yeah. 00:12:23.013 --> 00:12:25.173 Matt: In an interesting way too, right? 00:12:26.133 --> 00:12:30.603 but but your challenge though today is can we make a podcast 00:12:30.603 --> 00:12:31.843 that we don't talk about D&D? 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:35.700 Alison: It, it's interesting cuz that was, so that was the original idea, right? 00:12:35.700 --> 00:12:40.900 Is is what, what would Matt and I talk about for roughly an hour? 00:12:41.560 --> 00:12:41.590 Matt: Oh. 00:12:41.590 --> 00:12:43.620 Alison: If you took this away from us? 00:12:45.270 --> 00:12:48.930 But even as I was making the outline today, you know, uh, so I asked, I 00:12:48.930 --> 00:12:50.710 said, what did we love before D&D? 00:12:50.735 --> 00:12:51.310 Seriously? 00:12:51.780 --> 00:12:53.280 Like, what were our hobbies before? 00:12:53.280 --> 00:12:59.357 Because I think, I hope fingers was, you guys was I an interesting person, before? 00:12:59.927 --> 00:13:02.147 I'm not even saying I'm an interesting person now, but 00:13:02.390 --> 00:13:03.110 Matt: Not at all. 00:13:03.860 --> 00:13:04.910 Not at all. 00:13:04.990 --> 00:13:08.303 Absolutely in intolerable 00:13:09.180 --> 00:13:10.320 Alison: Button pushing. 00:13:15.023 --> 00:13:15.803 Matt: You would talk. 00:13:15.863 --> 00:13:16.313 Okay. 00:13:16.373 --> 00:13:16.823 Okay. 00:13:16.853 --> 00:13:19.163 But here we're getting into something really interesting though. 00:13:19.163 --> 00:13:22.913 So as usual, I did not know where this was gonna go, but now 00:13:22.913 --> 00:13:24.053 I'm starting to see something. 00:13:24.101 --> 00:13:27.671 So we did used to speak about many different other things. 00:13:27.671 --> 00:13:33.131 And in fact, Bivins Brothers Creative, The BivBros Show, had you on as 00:13:33.131 --> 00:13:36.551 a guest a number of times, and we didn't talk about D&D back then, 00:13:36.891 --> 00:13:39.701 we talked about musical theater. 00:13:39.731 --> 00:13:40.561 Alison: Disney and theater. 00:13:40.911 --> 00:13:42.021 Matt: And Disney and theater. 00:13:42.201 --> 00:13:46.671 But I also knew about you that sports were a major, major part of your life. 00:13:46.731 --> 00:13:51.021 Sporting events, uh, football, football, I don't know beyond that, 00:13:51.021 --> 00:13:54.181 Alison: I, I will go to any sporting event if you're like, Hey, I got 00:13:54.181 --> 00:13:57.781 tickets for a hockey game or a baseball game, or, I will go, but I do not 00:13:57.781 --> 00:14:00.031 follow anything other than football. 00:14:00.434 --> 00:14:00.704 Matt: Right. 00:14:01.201 --> 00:14:01.831 Alison: just so you know. 00:14:01.861 --> 00:14:02.371 But you're right. 00:14:02.376 --> 00:14:04.251 I, I forgot And because I did, I, 00:14:04.501 --> 00:14:07.891 there was season, I live in Charlotte, North Carolina. 00:14:08.221 --> 00:14:09.991 I am from Birmingham, Alabama. 00:14:10.501 --> 00:14:13.111 They are six hours apart without Atlanta traffic. 00:14:13.111 --> 00:14:15.151 Atlanta traffic, god bless you. 00:14:15.781 --> 00:14:18.871 I once, when I first moved back to Charlotte from New York City, 00:14:19.051 --> 00:14:21.541 I can't believe this, this, this feels like another lifetime. 00:14:21.931 --> 00:14:27.451 I had season tickets to the University of Alabama games, which is like seven and a 00:14:27.451 --> 00:14:29.091 half, almost eight hours from Charlotte. 00:14:29.091 --> 00:14:34.771 So I was driving to Alabama twice a month to go to football games. 00:14:36.104 --> 00:14:39.964 Matt: You've just described one of my visions of hell. 00:14:41.521 --> 00:14:41.641 Alison: I. 00:14:41.854 --> 00:14:44.435 Matt: described one of the most horrific things 00:14:44.871 --> 00:14:46.011 Alison: I'm about to make it even worse. 00:14:46.011 --> 00:14:47.871 I'm about to take your hell and twist it. 00:14:48.690 --> 00:14:50.044 Matt: You had to go on a bike. 00:14:51.514 --> 00:14:52.064 You were riding 00:14:52.156 --> 00:14:57.736 Alison: no, no, There's football, there's driving and then there's more football. 00:14:58.216 --> 00:15:02.716 So I would get in the car on Friday, I would drive to Alabama. 00:15:02.716 --> 00:15:04.576 I would get in sometime late Friday. 00:15:04.756 --> 00:15:09.876 I would spend all day, cuz Saturday down South, man, is an all day affair. 00:15:09.876 --> 00:15:13.086 It does not matter if the game is at six o'clock at night, which when 00:15:13.086 --> 00:15:14.446 you're Alabama, you're in primetime. 00:15:14.826 --> 00:15:19.026 We would do things all day celebrating our love of our team. 00:15:19.116 --> 00:15:19.926 Roll Tide. 00:15:20.106 --> 00:15:20.556 Okay. 00:15:20.659 --> 00:15:22.159 So that was all day Saturday. 00:15:22.164 --> 00:15:22.469 Right. 00:15:23.239 --> 00:15:23.629 And then the game. 00:15:24.318 --> 00:15:27.198 And then I would get up at the butt crack of dawn. 00:15:27.248 --> 00:15:33.758 We're talking like on the road at 4:30, 5 AM so I could be back in Charlotte in 00:15:33.763 --> 00:15:39.458 time for a Panthers football game whose kickoff is normally 1:00 PM on Sunday. 00:15:40.661 --> 00:15:40.881 Matt: Oh. 00:15:41.718 --> 00:15:42.138 Alison: Oh my God. 00:15:42.138 --> 00:15:45.018 So a, I like, I didn't remember any of this. 00:15:45.018 --> 00:15:48.498 It's like it was out of my brain and suddenly you just like unlocked 00:15:48.498 --> 00:15:50.338 this box that I forgot I had. 00:15:52.278 --> 00:15:58.428 And yeah, I was that hardcore about it that I would, oh my god, I totally 00:15:58.428 --> 00:15:59.748 forgot about that phase of my life. 00:15:59.958 --> 00:16:00.288 Okay. 00:16:00.306 --> 00:16:01.476 Matt: So I like, I like that. 00:16:01.476 --> 00:16:05.303 And, I just added something to, to the concept of this podcast. 00:16:05.781 --> 00:16:09.596 You've named sports and we, you know, we could talk about theater as well. 00:16:09.956 --> 00:16:12.563 Mine, at one point music. 00:16:12.563 --> 00:16:17.748 Playing music, um, being in a rock and roll band and or even in 00:16:17.748 --> 00:16:22.373 Chicago playing with many talented musicians here, doing theater. 00:16:22.378 --> 00:16:26.626 There was a time where I was a full-time actor, which was super fun. 00:16:26.626 --> 00:16:30.987 And so, so one question that I get all the time, which you probably get some, some 00:16:30.987 --> 00:16:33.987 version of it, do you miss playing music? 00:16:34.457 --> 00:16:38.627 Truthfully, honestly, I do not. 00:16:38.907 --> 00:16:39.687 Do not. 00:16:40.257 --> 00:16:41.797 I'm not saying that that won't change. 00:16:41.877 --> 00:16:45.177 The other thing is I know that, certain things are going 00:16:45.177 --> 00:16:45.928 to be a part of you, right? 00:16:45.982 --> 00:16:50.602 But do I miss it like being my full-time gig? 00:16:50.602 --> 00:16:52.032 No, I do not. 00:16:52.492 --> 00:16:53.307 I do not miss it. 00:16:53.777 --> 00:16:55.462 I will always be a musical person. 00:16:55.642 --> 00:16:58.432 I will always have these instruments ready to go. 00:16:58.742 --> 00:17:00.182 I love being on stage. 00:17:00.212 --> 00:17:01.112 I know that I do. 00:17:01.532 --> 00:17:03.062 I think I'm pretty good at it. 00:17:03.382 --> 00:17:07.238 And I feel like, there's things about being in a play that I really, 00:17:07.238 --> 00:17:08.378 really, really, really loved. 00:17:08.496 --> 00:17:10.593 But do I miss being on stage right now. 00:17:10.833 --> 00:17:11.403 Right now? 00:17:11.403 --> 00:17:12.153 I don't. 00:17:12.243 --> 00:17:17.043 In the pandemic, this thing came into my life and it filled 00:17:17.093 --> 00:17:20.664 These creative drives, social drives, so on and so forth. 00:17:20.669 --> 00:17:26.033 And I say those things, they really do feel true for me. 00:17:26.603 --> 00:17:29.933 Alison: I've gotten that too because, so I, I majored in theater in college. 00:17:30.293 --> 00:17:33.353 I stuck around Charlotte for a couple of years afterwards. 00:17:33.353 --> 00:17:35.183 Did as much community theater as I could. 00:17:35.188 --> 00:17:37.283 Then I moved to New York to make it big time. 00:17:37.903 --> 00:17:40.073 Spoiler alert, I didn't make it big time. 00:17:40.143 --> 00:17:43.593 Took classes was in a couple like little bitty things, but kind 00:17:43.593 --> 00:17:45.993 of realized early on I didn't, first of all, I hate auditioning. 00:17:46.043 --> 00:17:49.968 And that if you're gonna be a professional actor, uh, if anybody's listening on 00:17:49.968 --> 00:17:53.148 the cusp of wanting that auditioning is gonna have to be a part of your everyday. 00:17:53.203 --> 00:17:54.913 But really went for the experience. 00:17:54.918 --> 00:17:55.213 Right. 00:17:55.453 --> 00:17:59.443 And was lucky enough while I lived in New York, I mean theater, there 00:17:59.443 --> 00:18:03.073 was the thing that I ate, slept, breathed, you know, my first job 00:18:03.073 --> 00:18:04.693 in New York was for Broadway.com. 00:18:05.083 --> 00:18:08.713 Uh, I spent the last several years working as a hotel concierge where I got to talk 00:18:08.718 --> 00:18:10.723 about my two great loves theater and food. 00:18:10.728 --> 00:18:14.863 So I was very much ingrained in it, and because of that was constantly going 00:18:14.863 --> 00:18:16.813 to see shows on someone else's dime. 00:18:16.813 --> 00:18:20.743 I, I totally lucked into those roles to get to get that. 00:18:20.743 --> 00:18:23.383 So, I mean, there would be weeks, especially when like 00:18:23.383 --> 00:18:24.883 the seasons were just starting. 00:18:25.243 --> 00:18:28.903 I would be at the theater four or five nights a week. 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:31.660 And I remember when I moved back to Charlotte and people said, oh where are 00:18:31.660 --> 00:18:33.130 you gonna get back into theater here? 00:18:33.130 --> 00:18:35.560 And I, it just, even the thought of it exhausted me. 00:18:35.660 --> 00:18:38.000 But I was fortunate enough, one of my first jobs back in 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:39.530 Charlotte, I worked for Muzak. 00:18:39.550 --> 00:18:39.770 Yes. 00:18:39.790 --> 00:18:44.063 The elevator music company as everybody knows and, I still don't know how 00:18:44.063 --> 00:18:47.663 this happened actually, but I somehow wormed my way into being a voice talent 00:18:47.764 --> 00:18:51.054 cuz they do lot of like the voice on hold or like the in-store messaging. 00:18:51.894 --> 00:18:54.084 And so then I was, I remember answering that question with like 00:18:54.144 --> 00:18:55.961 the, everything's a stage, right Matt? 00:18:55.961 --> 00:18:58.121 Like this is our stage now we are performing. 00:18:58.252 --> 00:18:58.542 Matt: well, 00:18:58.752 --> 00:19:01.932 I realize every time we go to a convention, I realize every time we 00:19:01.932 --> 00:19:07.335 play Dungeons & Dragons for 16 hours a day, it feels more to me like 00:19:07.845 --> 00:19:13.605 music was at one point in my life uh, that kind of like, oh, I want, I 00:19:13.605 --> 00:19:17.480 want to see how far we can take this. 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:18.540 You know? 00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:22.122 And, you and I have talked about how this particular passion, 00:19:22.397 --> 00:19:24.407 it's just so, it's so broad. 00:19:24.407 --> 00:19:25.637 There's so many people. 00:19:25.767 --> 00:19:31.743 And I think that's also sort of an, an analogy to music in some ways where I do 00:19:31.772 --> 00:19:35.847 have a, I do have another dream of just playing Irish music in a bar wherever 00:19:35.852 --> 00:19:38.607 I land at like a 75 to 80 years old. 00:19:38.717 --> 00:19:42.617 Just I think that will happen to me someday, cuz I love that music. 00:19:42.617 --> 00:19:43.447 I'll go back to it. 00:19:43.447 --> 00:19:48.347 But, right now, this is a thing that I would, I would, I would, 00:19:48.977 --> 00:19:50.417 I would fight through fear. 00:19:50.417 --> 00:19:51.857 I'd fight through discomfort. 00:19:51.857 --> 00:19:54.107 I would fight through nerves. 00:19:54.107 --> 00:19:56.017 I'd fight through difficulty. 00:19:56.087 --> 00:20:01.397 Because, because, we said many times, being a dungeon master is an 00:20:01.397 --> 00:20:03.567 enormous amount of work, or it can be. 00:20:03.677 --> 00:20:04.267 Alison: Mm-hmm. 00:20:04.477 --> 00:20:05.467 Matt: Doesn't bother me. 00:20:05.707 --> 00:20:10.153 Um, I'm willing to put in the hours and the work for it. 00:20:10.153 --> 00:20:10.843 So yeah, 00:20:11.207 --> 00:20:11.677 I don't know. 00:20:11.777 --> 00:20:13.697 Alison: We're, tiptoeing dangerously close to the, we're 00:20:13.697 --> 00:20:15.857 talking about D&D line here, Matt? 00:20:15.951 --> 00:20:16.580 Matt: I'm I'm sorry. 00:20:16.580 --> 00:20:16.910 I'm sorry. 00:20:16.910 --> 00:20:18.020 Did, Did I go too far? 00:20:18.620 --> 00:20:19.610 Did I Go too far. 00:20:19.790 --> 00:20:20.090 Okay. 00:20:20.417 --> 00:20:20.697 Alison: I, I, 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:21.200 Matt: right. 00:20:21.287 --> 00:20:21.577 Alison: yeah, 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:24.042 Matt: I think, I think this is what we're doing first. 00:20:24.142 --> 00:20:29.872 This in so many ways has replaced, other major, major passions 00:20:29.902 --> 00:20:31.582 in in a very hardcore way. 00:20:31.582 --> 00:20:36.622 So, especially if you're new to something, but especially if you are trying to 00:20:36.622 --> 00:20:38.302 make it a bigger part of your life. 00:20:38.362 --> 00:20:38.692 Yeah. 00:20:38.697 --> 00:20:40.132 You get, you're annoying. 00:20:40.132 --> 00:20:45.112 It's the, it's the join, It's the first, you know, year that you're in that cult. 00:20:45.142 --> 00:20:45.532 Right? 00:20:45.622 --> 00:20:47.837 Like, you, can't talk about anything else. 00:20:47.837 --> 00:20:50.985 And you, you know, you do drive your friends insane, Right? 00:20:51.065 --> 00:20:53.525 Alison: I'm trying to find, and this, this is where I will now 00:20:53.525 --> 00:20:57.875 tiptoe dangerously close to the line of like, what's the common thread? 00:20:58.145 --> 00:20:58.505 Right? 00:20:58.555 --> 00:21:01.105 But one, one common thread I know about that we've talked about 00:21:01.105 --> 00:21:06.685 is my, uh, penchant for, uh, fan girlness over whatever it is. 00:21:07.585 --> 00:21:10.585 And I think the common thread there, and this may have nothing to do 00:21:10.590 --> 00:21:15.115 with neuro spiciness, but is the almost interactive aspect of it. 00:21:15.115 --> 00:21:18.535 So obviously when music and theater were a part of my life, those 00:21:18.540 --> 00:21:19.645 were things that I was doing. 00:21:19.645 --> 00:21:22.280 I was singing or learning an instrument or performing on stage. 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:22.500 Right? 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:25.000 It doesn't get much more interactive than that. 00:21:25.810 --> 00:21:28.600 Same thing with like the voiceover work and stuff like that, but even in 00:21:28.600 --> 00:21:33.190 sports, if you listen to the the little anecdote I told at the top of this, I was 00:21:33.190 --> 00:21:34.930 actively being a part of the community. 00:21:34.930 --> 00:21:38.260 I wasn't just walking into a stadium going woo and wearing 00:21:38.260 --> 00:21:40.570 some colors and walking back out. 00:21:40.570 --> 00:21:44.690 I was spending an entire day in celebration of that thing that I loved. 00:21:45.070 --> 00:21:49.857 Hopping between tailgates and trying to get on camera for, you know, ESPN. 00:21:49.907 --> 00:21:53.087 I guess what it is, is I just have to be the center of attention. 00:21:53.987 --> 00:21:56.796 I have to implant myself in all of the, story. 00:21:57.617 --> 00:22:01.127 Oh, no, That's not, that's not a good side of myself to see. 00:22:01.805 --> 00:22:02.465 Matt: I don't know. 00:22:02.525 --> 00:22:04.368 if depends on, on how you take it. 00:22:04.588 --> 00:22:07.078 It depends on, on where you're going with that, right? 00:22:07.078 --> 00:22:11.868 Like, can you be a center of attention, but then also, be surrounded by 00:22:11.868 --> 00:22:14.988 people that you love and share that attention at the same time. 00:22:14.988 --> 00:22:18.558 Can you, can you revel in other people's wins? 00:22:18.708 --> 00:22:19.658 Can you allow 00:22:20.203 --> 00:22:20.204 Alison: Mm-hmm. 00:22:20.478 --> 00:22:24.288 Matt: The spotlight to shift from you to other people? 00:22:24.338 --> 00:22:29.918 I'm feeling for you, the, the analogy is far more sports than 00:22:29.918 --> 00:22:32.168 theater or, or anything else. 00:22:32.193 --> 00:22:35.558 It really sounds like it more because here's, 00:22:36.158 --> 00:22:36.578 Yes, 00:22:36.763 --> 00:22:38.773 Alison: And I'm a combat gremlin. 00:22:38.881 --> 00:22:41.671 Like, I, I love the competitiveness. 00:22:41.701 --> 00:22:45.541 The trying to beat something is the aspect of D&D that I keep 00:22:45.541 --> 00:22:46.971 talking about over and over again. 00:22:47.389 --> 00:22:47.809 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:22:49.745 --> 00:22:49.970 Okay. 00:22:49.975 --> 00:22:50.320 Okay. 00:22:50.410 --> 00:22:50.650 All right. 00:22:50.650 --> 00:22:54.220 So here's, here's my last, here's my last thing about this, and then we can 00:22:54.280 --> 00:22:58.330 really try to talk about things that we're also into, uh, another reason 00:22:58.330 --> 00:23:05.980 that this feels different special is that when I was a musician, when I was 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:09.310 an actor, I never felt like I belonged. 00:23:09.633 --> 00:23:13.713 Even in my own band, I did not have an encyclopedic knowledge 00:23:13.713 --> 00:23:16.053 of the Beatles or any band. 00:23:16.168 --> 00:23:19.753 I didn't care that much about history of music. 00:23:20.223 --> 00:23:21.303 I liked new music. 00:23:21.303 --> 00:23:25.173 I liked, I liked performance of music as an actor. 00:23:25.302 --> 00:23:28.627 I have some really, really dear friends that are great actors, and I can 00:23:28.627 --> 00:23:31.057 hang with them, but there is a game. 00:23:31.198 --> 00:23:32.218 I don't know. 00:23:32.288 --> 00:23:33.538 I don't, I don't get it. 00:23:33.658 --> 00:23:33.988 Right. 00:23:33.988 --> 00:23:34.528 I don't get it. 00:23:34.858 --> 00:23:39.568 I didn't, so both theater and, and music, I always felt like an outsider, 00:23:39.568 --> 00:23:40.768 I wasn't doing a bunch of drugs. 00:23:40.768 --> 00:23:42.298 I wasn't having sex with a lot of people. 00:23:42.568 --> 00:23:49.176 And this, when we went to Gary Con, I was like, Oh shit. 00:23:49.770 --> 00:23:50.090 Alison: I belong 00:23:50.230 --> 00:23:51.450 Matt: These are our people. 00:23:51.468 --> 00:23:53.178 These are our people. 00:23:53.628 --> 00:23:54.618 I get them. 00:23:54.618 --> 00:23:55.228 I get them. 00:23:56.008 --> 00:23:56.178 Right. 00:23:56.178 --> 00:24:00.580 Alison: I know we make a point to not talk too much about the rock band years. 00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:06.450 Um, but interestingly enough, on last episode of ADHd20 with Alan, when the, 00:24:06.450 --> 00:24:08.700 the, topic of like, what is it about this? 00:24:09.579 --> 00:24:09.879 Right. 00:24:09.879 --> 00:24:13.689 And I said something about like, like, rarely do I know so immediately 00:24:13.719 --> 00:24:16.299 that like, I've found my thing and, and every time that I've known 00:24:16.299 --> 00:24:17.889 immediately, like this is my thing. 00:24:18.608 --> 00:24:20.043 I, it has been like, I've 00:24:20.043 --> 00:24:20.044 not 00:24:20.083 --> 00:24:20.738 not been wrong. 00:24:20.768 --> 00:24:26.358 All right, so for whoever has woowoo uh, manifestation on their ADHD 20 bingo 00:24:26.388 --> 00:24:32.168 card, uh, To kind of go back into, we went through a few episodes back about 00:24:32.168 --> 00:24:34.178 like our core values exercise, right? 00:24:34.178 --> 00:24:38.370 And like, get like the meat and potatoes of who we are and what 00:24:38.370 --> 00:24:40.950 influences our every decision. 00:24:41.340 --> 00:24:45.510 And in doing this exercise to find my core values, I found seven. 00:24:45.940 --> 00:24:47.350 One of them was community. 00:24:47.410 --> 00:24:50.110 And I, to exactly what you were saying, like one thing I've noticed 00:24:50.110 --> 00:24:54.520 that the things that I am immediately like this, is this is where I belong. 00:24:54.804 --> 00:24:55.094 Matt: Yeah. 00:24:56.050 --> 00:25:01.765 Alison: So the one before D&D was Jump, Little Children and its community 00:25:01.825 --> 00:25:05.725 where I knew the second that I saw you guys both as a band and, and 00:25:05.725 --> 00:25:10.465 meeting all of the people like this is, this is a sense of belonging. 00:25:10.525 --> 00:25:10.895 This is 00:25:10.895 --> 00:25:11.595 Matt: For me, too. 00:25:12.135 --> 00:25:13.375 Alison: Island of Misfits 00:25:13.435 --> 00:25:14.005 of, you 00:25:14.074 --> 00:25:15.244 Matt: And I built that. 00:25:15.244 --> 00:25:15.484 And I 00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:17.640 Alison: You did, You were the architect. 00:25:18.634 --> 00:25:21.874 Matt: I was an architect that built it in the, what, what did God do? 00:25:21.874 --> 00:25:26.854 He built it in the, in the man, in the form of his own. 00:25:27.034 --> 00:25:27.544 What is it? 00:25:27.697 --> 00:25:29.607 Alison: In his own image, he created a man in his own image. 00:25:29.645 --> 00:25:35.502 Matt: I created, I, I, nurtured the, that community in the listserv, to be 00:25:35.652 --> 00:25:40.217 people that I would wanna hang out with and who I was, that I wanted to be with. 00:25:40.247 --> 00:25:42.017 And somehow that worked. 00:25:42.017 --> 00:25:43.602 And so I get that. 00:25:43.602 --> 00:25:44.652 I really, really do. 00:25:44.667 --> 00:25:48.987 It was the community all along, and now we are in a, a similar, 00:25:49.017 --> 00:25:51.257 loving, caring, understanding 00:25:52.524 --> 00:25:53.754 Alison: Have I ever told you? 00:25:53.934 --> 00:25:56.604 The reason that I started liking football specifically? 00:25:57.534 --> 00:25:59.814 It, I just, it all ties back in here. 00:26:00.087 --> 00:26:00.377 Matt: Okay. 00:26:00.776 --> 00:26:03.146 Alison: You know, growing up in Alabama, you knew from a very young 00:26:03.146 --> 00:26:04.606 age we're talking toddler right? 00:26:04.626 --> 00:26:08.366 If you were gonna be Alabama or Auburn, and like, that's how your, 00:26:08.636 --> 00:26:12.026 your weekends were spent worshiping at the altar of college football. 00:26:12.509 --> 00:26:12.869 Matt: Wow. 00:26:13.346 --> 00:26:19.136 Alison: And it was the only time that I was welcome to scream in the house. 00:26:19.736 --> 00:26:21.926 I learned really quickly as a little kid, 00:26:22.649 --> 00:26:24.239 Matt: Oh man. 00:26:24.686 --> 00:26:26.936 Alison: I could yell insides and I felt accepted 00:26:27.729 --> 00:26:31.599 Matt: Oh my God, that's so. 00:26:31.689 --> 00:26:34.149 Alison: My own, loud-mouth skin. 00:26:34.149 --> 00:26:34.179 Matt: Oh. 00:26:35.106 --> 00:26:35.506 Alison: But it's 00:26:35.506 --> 00:26:36.846 Matt: That's so sad. 00:26:36.846 --> 00:26:39.266 Alison: But it, it's not, it's acceptance and community. 00:26:39.266 --> 00:26:39.596 Right? 00:26:39.596 --> 00:26:43.526 Like, I was it like any of those, those points in your life where you 00:26:43.526 --> 00:26:48.686 feel okay to come as you are, and just be, are always like, you know, 00:26:48.686 --> 00:26:50.606 signpost moments throughout your life. 00:26:50.606 --> 00:26:56.396 And I vividly remember if I yelled in the house six other days a week mm-hmm. 00:26:57.116 --> 00:26:59.846 But if I yelled in the house on Saturday because somebody 00:26:59.846 --> 00:27:02.666 forced a turnover, green flag. 00:27:03.239 --> 00:27:03.899 Matt: Good job. 00:27:04.469 --> 00:27:05.189 Good job. 00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:06.269 Wow. 00:27:06.274 --> 00:27:07.769 I love that. 00:27:08.454 --> 00:27:09.629 Really love that. 00:27:09.809 --> 00:27:10.319 Wow. 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:14.336 Alison: You're getting a really inside look at my life at this one. 00:27:14.699 --> 00:27:15.829 Matt: That, yeah, man. 00:27:17.249 --> 00:27:17.609 You know what? 00:27:17.609 --> 00:27:20.759 That's a perfect cap, I think for this, for this topic. 00:27:20.899 --> 00:27:21.349 I get it. 00:27:21.349 --> 00:27:22.309 It's, it's community. 00:27:22.399 --> 00:27:27.889 So we, we, it's not like we, we shouldn't be so surprised, but, uh, 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:32.279 I'm gonna go with you and just say, I'm going to remain unapologetic about it. 00:27:32.949 --> 00:27:37.359 Alison: I'm so proud of us for having other other interests, but 00:27:37.449 --> 00:27:38.919 we can still love D&D the most. 00:27:39.257 --> 00:27:40.437 Matt: We can, we can. 00:27:40.987 --> 00:27:43.142 Alison: I'm gonna put this in the W column 00:27:43.142 --> 00:27:43.322 Matt: Success. 00:27:43.437 --> 00:27:43.977 Okay. 00:27:44.117 --> 00:27:48.267 The W, the W, a sports reference! 00:27:48.357 --> 00:27:48.717 Wow. 00:27:48.717 --> 00:27:50.427 That was a good callback, man. 00:27:50.487 --> 00:27:50.897 That was good. 00:27:50.897 --> 00:27:53.607 And I never knew knew that was a sports reference until I 00:27:53.612 --> 00:28:05.287 moved to Chicago when I was 40. 00:28:05.307 --> 00:28:05.367 Um, 00:28:05.469 --> 00:28:10.479 Alison: I'll go on record and say, that one of my goals is to get 00:28:10.479 --> 00:28:13.569 you to an Alabama football game. 00:28:13.569 --> 00:28:15.469 I'm not gonna try for Carolina Panthers, because 00:28:15.987 --> 00:28:16.277 Matt: Yeah. 00:28:17.699 --> 00:28:20.184 Alison: it could, first of all, I know how you feel about Charlotte, but like 00:28:20.484 --> 00:28:22.134 that's just a more sterile experience. 00:28:22.134 --> 00:28:27.144 But I think, I think that you would enjoy going to an old southern town and 00:28:27.144 --> 00:28:32.424 seeing like the history and the, cuz you're somebody who I think does like, 00:28:32.429 --> 00:28:34.584 appreciate a good tradition or ritual. 00:28:36.214 --> 00:28:40.114 There is something special about like game day food, uh, and just the 00:28:40.114 --> 00:28:42.904 celebration and the community of it. 00:28:42.904 --> 00:28:45.964 So I am gonna go on record and say that one of my new bucket list 00:28:45.964 --> 00:28:50.854 items is to take Matthew Bivins to a University of Alabama football game. 00:28:51.682 --> 00:28:52.193 Matt: I would love that. 00:28:52.198 --> 00:28:55.972 And, and, and I'll, I'll just say it's something that I would never, 00:28:56.002 --> 00:28:58.672 ever try to put together myself. 00:28:58.742 --> 00:29:02.032 I would never actively go to Alabama to do that. 00:29:02.032 --> 00:29:05.152 I would never go to to see the, a Panthers game in that way. 00:29:05.157 --> 00:29:10.212 However, if anybody is having a group outing to something like a Cubs game 00:29:10.482 --> 00:29:13.202 or something, that means a lot to them. 00:29:14.432 --> 00:29:18.962 You know I'm gonna be there and for that same reason that you, because I, I love 00:29:18.992 --> 00:29:23.232 to, people watch, I've never understood the, the, the rules of football. 00:29:23.252 --> 00:29:28.292 So maybe finally someone's gonna like, maybe you'll finally yeah. 00:29:28.297 --> 00:29:28.692 Finally. 00:29:29.174 --> 00:29:32.594 Alison: But Matt, you were, you were in marching band. 00:29:32.687 --> 00:29:33.647 Matt: I sure was. 00:29:33.854 --> 00:29:36.644 Alison: The whole reason that I know everything I know about football 00:29:36.644 --> 00:29:40.364 is because I had to in order like, because you have to know. 00:29:41.267 --> 00:29:41.627 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:29:42.107 --> 00:29:43.397 No idea what was happening. 00:29:43.547 --> 00:29:45.737 I, I did, ADHD, dude. 00:29:45.767 --> 00:29:49.637 And I didn't know I've, no, I did not know what was happening on the field. 00:29:49.697 --> 00:29:50.337 Never did. 00:29:50.517 --> 00:29:51.127 Not once. 00:29:51.347 --> 00:29:52.307 I just was there. 00:29:52.312 --> 00:29:54.467 I, I, I I moved where they told me to move. 00:29:54.707 --> 00:29:56.127 I, I played my sax. 00:29:56.327 --> 00:29:59.267 I, I did my little Michael Jackson dance. 00:29:59.807 --> 00:30:01.877 I had no idea what they were doing. 00:30:02.477 --> 00:30:04.187 You know, I would see the scores change. 00:30:04.187 --> 00:30:07.217 I'd be like, oh, okay, cool cool And I would just, no idea. 00:30:08.204 --> 00:30:10.304 Alison: So I, I didn't march with my clarinet. 00:30:10.304 --> 00:30:11.564 I was on drum line. 00:30:11.624 --> 00:30:15.164 And so we had to know what was going on in the game because that dictated what 00:30:15.169 --> 00:30:16.394 we were playing and what we were doing. 00:30:16.394 --> 00:30:20.204 And we were doing things with like, the, the cheerleaders and 00:30:20.204 --> 00:30:21.594 our dance team were called Dorians. 00:30:21.614 --> 00:30:25.394 So like I had to know actively what was going on in the field in order to be... 00:30:25.399 --> 00:30:26.564 weird, that's, that's an 00:30:26.627 --> 00:30:29.957 Matt: We just, No, we had a really, really, really good, um, drum major. 00:30:30.027 --> 00:30:31.247 We had an amazing drum major. 00:30:31.347 --> 00:30:33.077 And he was super fabulous. 00:30:33.077 --> 00:30:36.767 And just, I, I just, I never knew. 00:30:37.499 --> 00:30:37.799 Alison: All right. 00:30:37.804 --> 00:30:42.089 Well, I, I did realize, you know, I hate on my hometown of Birmingham a whole lot, 00:30:42.329 --> 00:30:45.359 and I realize part of that's because I've never really experienced it on my own. 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.099 And as an adult I associate it with, you 00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:47.789 know, childhood. 00:30:47.789 --> 00:30:48.089 right? 00:30:48.094 --> 00:30:50.399 But Birmingham has had a really cool, like renaissance. 00:30:50.399 --> 00:30:54.869 So I say we do like a, a weekend trip, don't stay with my parents. 00:30:54.899 --> 00:30:57.809 Like, just go to, to Birmingham as tourists. 00:30:58.664 --> 00:31:03.344 Go down to Tuscaloosa for football game and uh, continue to push buttons and push 00:31:03.344 --> 00:31:05.534 ourselves out of our own comfort zones. 00:31:05.897 --> 00:31:10.397 Matt: But we'll probably also turn that into a weekend D&D trip. 00:31:11.234 --> 00:31:13.724 Alison: Yes, I'm totally okay for that. 00:31:13.904 --> 00:31:18.924 We're gonna find a spooky ass house in the bowels of Alabama. 00:31:19.097 --> 00:31:19.967 Matt: That's most of them. 00:31:19.997 --> 00:31:20.867 Yeah, that's most them 00:31:21.887 --> 00:31:23.477 Uh, at least back in the day. 00:31:24.437 --> 00:31:24.737 anymore. 00:31:24.737 --> 00:31:25.607 Sorry, Tuscaloosa. 00:31:25.787 --> 00:31:26.147 Okay. 00:31:26.147 --> 00:31:26.657 Perfect. 00:31:26.934 --> 00:31:27.774 Oh my God. 00:31:28.164 --> 00:31:31.254 I, you, you always, you always make it happen, Alison. 00:31:31.254 --> 00:31:31.734 I don't know. 00:31:31.734 --> 00:31:33.264 I you always make it happen. 00:31:33.444 --> 00:31:34.404 That's very impressive. 00:31:34.464 --> 00:31:35.484 Uh, this was fun. 00:31:35.514 --> 00:31:35.814 I really 00:31:36.110 --> 00:31:39.315 Alison: I did, I did come into this one with having my doubts, but 00:31:39.325 --> 00:31:40.605 also faith in the two of us that 00:31:40.605 --> 00:31:41.825 we'd we'd carve, 00:31:42.019 --> 00:31:43.669 Matt: We can, We can do it. 00:31:43.669 --> 00:31:45.829 We Find the path cuz we're professionals. 00:31:46.129 --> 00:31:46.279 Don't 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:47.089 forget everybody. 00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:53.849 Uh, well, alison thank you for being on my podcast. 00:31:54.870 --> 00:31:56.100 Alison: Thank you for being up my podcast. 00:31:56.539 --> 00:31:57.589 Matt: Yeah, you're welcome. 00:31:58.039 --> 00:31:59.289 It was a joy, a delight 00:31:59.860 --> 00:32:00.670 Until next time. 00:32:01.041 --> 00:32:01.331 Alison: Yeah. 00:32:02.260 --> 00:32:03.970 Matt: What, what is the song for Roll Tide? 00:32:03.970 --> 00:32:05.110 Go Roll Tide. 00:32:05.110 --> 00:32:06.220 They're gonna break your legs. 00:32:06.220 --> 00:32:08.140 Everybody coming down to the field. 00:32:08.140 --> 00:32:10.360 I'm gonna gonna run around with a thing. 00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:11.470 Made of Leather. 00:32:11.470 --> 00:32:17.710 Now I'm gonna throw it to a big ass uh, pitch fork on the other side 00:32:17.715 --> 00:32:19.360 of the field is this, am I close? 00:32:19.632 --> 00:32:22.552 Alison: That ,you're, uh, it's, it's uncanny. 00:32:22.750 --> 00:32:23.230 Matt: Right? 00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:25.000 I'm just making it off, off the top of my head. 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:27.460 It's, it's pretty much exactly what they sing, right? 00:32:27.730 --> 00:32:28.840 Roll Tide. 00:32:28.840 --> 00:32:29.710 Come on everybody. 00:32:29.710 --> 00:32:31.660 Won't you please throw me the ball? 00:32:31.690 --> 00:32:35.015 I don't even, oh, God. 00:32:35.205 --> 00:32:35.975 Help, help. 00:32:36.875 --> 00:32:38.215 Oh god help. 00:32:38.967 --> 00:32:42.367 Alison: You're, you're basically a clairvoyant. 00:32:42.387 --> 00:32:42.717 with 00:32:42.747 --> 00:32:42.975 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:32:43.595 --> 00:32:44.015 Mm-hmm. 00:32:44.525 --> 00:32:44.815 Yeah. 00:32:45.195 --> 00:32:48.345 I felt pretty close to God. 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.716 Who made man in his own image. 00:32:55.146 --> 00:32:56.247 Alison: Full of the callbacks today. 00:32:56.588 --> 00:32:56.808 Get 00:32:56.893 --> 00:32:59.953 Matt: Get on the field Take off clothes, everybody, throw the 00:32:59.953 --> 00:33:02.893 foot ball all around the house. 00:33:04.793 --> 00:33:09.893 Let little baby Alison scream her guts out in public