1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Good morning, everybody. It's Saturday, February 23rd, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,640 2026. I'm at the Poduty Live Podcast Theater at Harrison's on Corbett 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,360 in downtown Tarentum for another episode of Poduty and the 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,960 News. We're bringing the crew Saturday mornings. Everybody get their coffee 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,800 ready. I've got Eric Holden joining me from the Goblin's 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,520 Corner. Eric, do you know what time it is? It's time for 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,560 an amazing intro song. What time 8 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:32,540 is it? 9 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:46,635 Oh, oh, oh, what, what, what, what, what time is it? [MUSIC] It's time for 10 00:00:46,635 --> 00:00:49,180 Poduty and the News. Poduty and the News, the only live news podcast about 11 00:00:49,580 --> 00:00:51,660 podcasting from the state. 12 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:58,167 Poduty 13 00:00:58,167 --> 00:01:01,810 and the News. Poduty and the News, the 14 00:01:01,810 --> 00:01:05,440 only live news podcast It's about podcasting 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:06,840 from the stage. 16 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,920 I love that, uh, you made me dance in the intro, Jeff. That's about as 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,600 much dancing as you'll see this white boy do, so, uh, thank you for that. 18 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,560 I love it. People are very amused by the theme song and really enjoy it. 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,521 Well, Eric, welcome to the show. Welcome to Poduty and the News. This is the 20 00:01:25,521 --> 00:01:29,041 only live news podcast about podcasting from the stage. I'm your host, Jeff 21 00:01:29,041 --> 00:01:32,870 Ravilla. Eric Holden from The Goblin's Corner is joining us. 22 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:36,630 Eric, officially, after all my blunders, welcome to 23 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:40,350 the show. Thanks so much. Uh, I'm pleased to be 24 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:44,190 here from not-so-sunny Atlanta currently. So as 25 00:01:44,190 --> 00:01:47,550 you can see, my delightful studio in the back— hug a flump if you know 26 00:01:47,550 --> 00:01:51,350 what those are. I do not. What are those? Flumps? 27 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:55,590 Uh, this actually my wife crocheted this for me, but it's— flumps are, 28 00:01:55,750 --> 00:01:59,430 uh, they're like psionic floating, uh, 29 00:01:59,430 --> 00:02:03,210 mushrooms essentially that gently fart as they fly through 30 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:06,970 the air. It's the most ridiculous monster in Dungeons and Dragons, which is 31 00:02:06,970 --> 00:02:10,650 why I have one as a squeezable toy. So the farting— but does it— when 32 00:02:10,650 --> 00:02:14,450 you squeeze it, does it make a noise? No, it doesn't, but that's, that's 33 00:02:14,450 --> 00:02:18,170 definitely something we should put into it, like a little— like a dog 34 00:02:18,170 --> 00:02:21,970 squeezy. I think those would go viral if people had farting mushrooms that they 35 00:02:21,970 --> 00:02:25,760 could just It kind of looks like the Flying Spaghetti Monster, really. 36 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,760 Yeah. Well, Eric, tell us a little bit about, 37 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:33,640 uh, The Goblin's Corner. I want to hear about some of your experience running your 38 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:37,360 own podcast. You mentioned some of the improv experience. I think those things really 39 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,040 tie in to what we're trying to accomplish today, which is talking about live 40 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,760 events, live podcasting, storytelling. And, uh, tell us a little about the 41 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,280 show and, and a little bit about your background. Sure. So I come 42 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,920 from over 20 years of improv experience. Uh, I was, you know, 43 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:55,780 I did a lot of, you know, on-stage improv, some comedian 44 00:02:55,780 --> 00:02:59,460 stuff. And yeah, I taught improv over the years, but I'm 45 00:02:59,460 --> 00:03:03,060 also a huge nerd, as you can see from the background, various books 46 00:03:03,140 --> 00:03:06,660 and media. And when, when 47 00:03:06,660 --> 00:03:10,340 COVID happened several years ago, I was left with 48 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:14,180 nothing to do because we didn't have live events. No one wanted 49 00:03:14,180 --> 00:03:17,980 to meet up in person. And my best friend Matt Staples, who's my co-host 50 00:03:18,140 --> 00:03:21,890 of my show, we would sit out on the back porch years and years, uh, 51 00:03:21,890 --> 00:03:25,570 ago and talk about just gaming and storytelling and what kind of thing we're 52 00:03:25,570 --> 00:03:28,970 running and stuff like that. And at one point we were like, hey, why don't 53 00:03:28,970 --> 00:03:32,330 we just do a show for this? Because we would, you know, post in 54 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:36,010 Discord or on Reddit about people who— hey, I have a hard time telling 55 00:03:36,010 --> 00:03:39,650 the story, or I don't understand, you know, maybe not 56 00:03:39,650 --> 00:03:43,410 necessarily the mechanics of the rules but how to get players involved, or I've got 57 00:03:43,410 --> 00:03:47,040 a problem player you know, how can we make this an additive, engaging 58 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,840 experience? And so the Goblin's Corner was born from that— is how do you 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,600 get people using the experience that you have in improv 60 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,680 and worldbuilding and storytelling to make fun 61 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,760 stories? Because that's really what it's about. That's why people play tabletop 62 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,320 games. It's not just because of the rules or because I've got this really cool 63 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,000 character build, because they want to tell stories. It's the same feeling that you 64 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,490 get when you're a kid and you're playing make-believe. Just with some dice 65 00:04:12,490 --> 00:04:16,010 rolls. So we've been doing that for several years now. 66 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:20,170 Uh, we've, you know, we've got an amazing set of followers. We've been doing, 67 00:04:20,250 --> 00:04:23,130 uh, we do some live events as well. We stream some stuff. We've done a 68 00:04:23,130 --> 00:04:26,890 rando roundtable occasionally where we get people from the industry in 69 00:04:26,890 --> 00:04:30,330 to just kind of wax philosophical about events and 70 00:04:30,730 --> 00:04:33,690 sometimes just, you know, talk smack, which is always fun. 71 00:04:34,330 --> 00:04:38,170 And, and that's pretty much our show, right? Like How do you— do you 72 00:04:38,170 --> 00:04:41,250 wanna make a great story? Great! Do you wanna know how to make a stupid 73 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:45,050 monster? We've got plenty of those, we'll show you how to make 'em too. So 74 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:48,650 check us out! Yeah, it's great that you have the livestream experience, the 75 00:04:48,650 --> 00:04:52,450 improv experience. It's the Goblin's Corner, the podcast. Check it out, I'm sure available 76 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:55,570 everywhere. Do you have a dedicated website that you like to send people to? 77 00:04:55,570 --> 00:04:59,250 goblinscorner.com and of course we're on YouTube and all 78 00:04:59,250 --> 00:05:02,890 iTunes and all the other stuff as well. Awesome, I'll put all those links in 79 00:05:02,890 --> 00:05:06,100 the show notes and as you know Anybody who becomes on the show is part 80 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:09,780 of the crew, and on the Peduti in the News website, you'll see all of 81 00:05:09,780 --> 00:05:13,460 Eric's links, his bio, uh, and, uh, all the episodes that 82 00:05:13,460 --> 00:05:16,620 Eric will be on today, and then any episode in the future we'll add to 83 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:20,060 that profile. So you can check Eric out, check out the show notes for the 84 00:05:20,060 --> 00:05:23,860 links on, on his episode, and, uh, check out the crew page 85 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:27,420 to see everybody who's ever been on Peduti in the News. Eric, 86 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:31,190 are you ready for our first story? Let's dive in. I'm 87 00:05:31,190 --> 00:05:34,870 trying something different. I've noticed that the weakest part of the show is me reading, 88 00:05:35,740 --> 00:05:39,510 uh, about a minute-long version of these news stories. 89 00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:43,230 It's not that exciting in hindsight when I, I read for about 60 minutes 90 00:05:43,230 --> 00:05:46,950 and I, you know, stumble over all of my words. So I 91 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:50,470 thought I'm gonna start telling my guests about the stories instead of reading 92 00:05:50,470 --> 00:05:54,150 verbatim from a script. So we're gonna try that out today. We're gonna 93 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:58,030 see how that goes. I think we'll be okay. I don't know, but that's 94 00:05:58,030 --> 00:06:01,710 why we edit these things, and I can always insert me reading later on. 95 00:06:03,070 --> 00:06:06,190 We'll impro— we'll improvise it. It's fine. Yeah, that's the way we'll do it. 96 00:06:08,030 --> 00:06:11,190 As long as I don't tell you I'm messing up, you'll never know. So this 97 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:14,910 is a podcast called The Yogscast. It's on a YouTube channel, and they 98 00:06:14,910 --> 00:06:18,430 went live. They had about 11,000 viewers on YouTube, 99 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:22,500 and they broke down Star Trek: Insurrection. It was It was 100 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:25,780 the energy of this live audience. It ended up turning what could have been just 101 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:29,340 a, a niche nerd rant into an entertaining communal experience 102 00:06:29,660 --> 00:06:32,700 shared around fandom and frustration, 103 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:37,100 right? You know, Star Trek: Insurrection has pros and cons. It has its critics. It 104 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:40,940 has its fans. But they were able to take their community, tie 105 00:06:40,940 --> 00:06:44,420 in together with, you know, what this one, uh, insur— Star Trek: 106 00:06:44,420 --> 00:06:48,100 Insurrection was all about, and see what other people thought about it, see what the 107 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:51,840 reactions were from the fans. And it was just a great way to, 108 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,080 to bring fans together around a central topic. What were some of your takeaways, Eric? 109 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,920 So I watched it. Uh, I— what I liked a lot about it is it 110 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,680 makes podcasting kind of a mainstream media form 111 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,200 now, and it's a great way to just, as an 112 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,920 independent, you know, group of creatives, 113 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,680 or a theater in your case, or even just a show in ours, you know, 114 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,390 to get out more to the mainstream. Like one of the things I thought that 115 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:21,230 was really interesting as they were breaking stuff down is 116 00:07:21,790 --> 00:07:25,150 it's adding that unexpectedness to, 117 00:07:25,390 --> 00:07:29,190 you know, us— what it was essentially a scripted event, right? You know, they— 118 00:07:29,190 --> 00:07:31,950 I'm sure they had notes as they were breaking stuff down, but instead they were 119 00:07:31,950 --> 00:07:35,590 doing live. They were getting, you know, catches and takes from people who are commenting 120 00:07:35,590 --> 00:07:38,710 during the show, which was kind of cool. And it made it kind of a 121 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:42,510 more fun and engaging experience. And you get really awesome creations 122 00:07:42,510 --> 00:07:46,350 from that, right? There were some side jokes that they were establishing while they were, 123 00:07:46,350 --> 00:07:50,150 they were chatting. It was a long and lengthy episode, but they, they 124 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:53,950 made it really interesting. Yeah, it's, it's events 125 00:07:53,950 --> 00:07:57,590 like this, livestreams like this, that, that really bring the fans 126 00:07:57,590 --> 00:08:01,310 together who really care. So whatever your industry is, whatever you're 127 00:08:01,310 --> 00:08:04,830 talking about on your podcast, there are those little, you know, nooks and 128 00:08:04,830 --> 00:08:08,550 crannies in your industry. There's those hidden topics, there's those not-so-mainstream 129 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:13,170 things that people can get together around and just geek out over, nerd 130 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:16,810 out over those little details and just have a good time. And 131 00:08:16,810 --> 00:08:20,370 things like that, when you get that niche, really brings the community 132 00:08:20,370 --> 00:08:24,130 together, really brings out the super fans. I think that's something we saw for 133 00:08:24,130 --> 00:08:27,890 this stream is the super fans came out who knew all the 134 00:08:27,890 --> 00:08:31,450 ins and outs of Star Trek: Insurrection. And nerds are opinionated 135 00:08:31,450 --> 00:08:34,370 too. And you could give like— like they did a lot of, you know, they 136 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:37,410 did some good takes. You could see where they were like glazing certain people and 137 00:08:37,410 --> 00:08:41,130 then they did some bad takes and you could just see the engagement spike. 138 00:08:41,810 --> 00:08:45,650 Which I have opinions about because one of the things that, 139 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:49,250 you know, we do is we don't try to trash other people's love. 140 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:53,570 Be— just because I might not be interested in this particular game or this version, 141 00:08:53,570 --> 00:08:56,490 you know, I, I make fun of 4th edition D&D, for example, in my show, 142 00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:59,890 but it's not because I don't like it. It's just, it's not my bag. Right. 143 00:09:00,050 --> 00:09:03,650 But you might have been brought up playing that edition of 144 00:09:03,650 --> 00:09:06,850 gaming and that might be something that, you know, got you through a hard time. 145 00:09:07,060 --> 00:09:09,860 Who am I to say that that's something bad? Now, in their case, they did 146 00:09:09,860 --> 00:09:13,420 it in a way that uses humor, so it's not, you know, kind of a 147 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:16,980 malevolent way, but it's just enough to kind of, 148 00:09:17,060 --> 00:09:20,780 you know, get that ire from the nerds who are very opinionated, 149 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:24,420 and they drove that engagement. They did it in a fun way. 150 00:09:24,660 --> 00:09:27,980 You know, people laughed about it, and it gave that energy to the show as 151 00:09:27,980 --> 00:09:31,660 well, which I really enjoyed. Um, there is one thing I wanted to 152 00:09:31,660 --> 00:09:35,390 mention on what you said about niches. That is 153 00:09:35,390 --> 00:09:39,230 a great example. They're not following the same script, particularly on 154 00:09:39,230 --> 00:09:42,910 YouTube. You know, YouTube script, script is, I've got, 155 00:09:42,910 --> 00:09:46,630 you know, 10 to 15 minutes. I've gotta nail these points. I've gotta 156 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:50,150 make it so that it can be chopped up into clips. This was like an 157 00:09:50,150 --> 00:09:53,950 hour, 2 hours long, and it was a live format. They 158 00:09:53,950 --> 00:09:57,430 were, you know, they were going back and forth. There were pauses in there. 159 00:09:57,670 --> 00:10:01,190 They didn't care. They found their niche. They did something that was 160 00:10:01,190 --> 00:10:04,710 unique, and as a result, they attracted 161 00:10:04,710 --> 00:10:08,510 people to that show. And that says a lot. You don't have to be like 162 00:10:08,510 --> 00:10:12,230 everybody else. Yes, I don't care about analytics. You know, the analytics may 163 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:15,630 say do this, but if you do something that's real, that's what's important. 164 00:10:15,950 --> 00:10:19,070 Love keeping it real. And I like something else that you said about— 165 00:10:19,630 --> 00:10:23,470 you don't have to tear down other people's loves and passions, but celebrating them 166 00:10:23,550 --> 00:10:27,350 in a way. And you know, friends do joke around, they'll, they'll tease each other 167 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:31,000 a little bit. You can have fun with each other's likes and passions, but 168 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,680 they're also celebrating them at the same time. They're not tearing people down, 169 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:38,360 or at least that's one of the ways that you approach it. You're looking to 170 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,200 elevate and celebrate, and it might not be something that you love 171 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,920 about a series or a particular storyline, but you know that 172 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,560 your fans do, and there's reasons why. So you want to hear those 173 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,680 storylines, why they love it, why are they passionate about it, and you can 174 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:57,453 lift up that storyline. You can celebrate there with them. You can joke around, you 175 00:10:57,453 --> 00:11:01,201 know, back and forth a little bit, but, you know, being there with each other 176 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:05,440 on a, on a subject matter that you're both passionate about, it's the best way 177 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,240 to, to glue that community together. Absolutely. And by the way, that 178 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,760 doesn't mean I'm not going to make fun of it. Yeah, it's just, it just 179 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,560 means that it's going to be an additive experience instead of a subtractive. Yeah. Speaking 180 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:19,200 of bringing people together for a cause, how about trying to 181 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,920 save Great Salt Lake? This happened live at Sundance. It was hosted at 182 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,380 the Impact Lounge and They asked one simple question: can 183 00:11:26,380 --> 00:11:30,180 storytelling actually help save the Great Salt Lake? And what they 184 00:11:30,180 --> 00:11:33,860 did is they brought up activists, they brought up podcasters, they were sharing the 185 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:37,700 stage. And Masei Gonzales, uh, podcast Stay 186 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:41,420 Salty: Lake-Facing Stories, passed the 187 00:11:41,420 --> 00:11:44,780 mic around. And through the end of the episode, through the end of the show, 188 00:11:44,780 --> 00:11:48,340 the, the governor Spencer Cox recommitted to filling the lake 189 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:52,151 by 2034. And the big idea here is, you know, how 190 00:11:52,151 --> 00:11:55,910 does live storytelling— how do these live events where you're bringing the community together, 191 00:11:56,390 --> 00:11:59,910 you know, how do they help create that civic influence? How do you build 192 00:11:59,910 --> 00:12:03,750 something greater than just what you're talking about on the stage? How do you 193 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:07,030 create action? That is a great 194 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:10,817 example of getting the word out. You 195 00:12:10,817 --> 00:12:13,910 know, we have a lot of heavily edited media these days, 196 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:18,610 and one of the things that I love about just the time we live 197 00:12:18,610 --> 00:12:22,090 in now is if I've got an opinion, I can get online and say it, 198 00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:25,610 you know, and it can get out to a million different places. And I don't 199 00:12:25,610 --> 00:12:29,370 care how much it's, you know, regulated or whatever. If I have an opinion, 200 00:12:29,370 --> 00:12:33,010 someone's going to see it. And that's great for people 201 00:12:33,010 --> 00:12:36,810 trying— in this case, like trying to save the lake, right? And, you know, 202 00:12:36,810 --> 00:12:40,570 politicians are starting to pay attention to that, which is awesome. It also 203 00:12:40,570 --> 00:12:43,610 shows that live emotion, like people 204 00:12:44,210 --> 00:12:47,850 are, you know, they were angry, they were passionate, they were, they were 205 00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:51,650 concerned, and they had experts on there telling their points, right? And 206 00:12:51,650 --> 00:12:55,330 there was back and forth, and that resonates a lot with 207 00:12:55,330 --> 00:12:59,010 people. I'm amazed, like, just seeing the community come back out again. We always 208 00:12:59,010 --> 00:13:02,810 talk about that post-COVID hangover where people kind of retracted 209 00:13:02,810 --> 00:13:06,410 to their homes and they're just doom-scrolling on their phones all night. But here's something 210 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:10,260 that people were passionate about. People came out in droves to listen to these 211 00:13:10,260 --> 00:13:13,940 stories, to hear what, what can be done. The politicians are 212 00:13:13,940 --> 00:13:17,260 paying attention. This is where the, the direction of media is going. 213 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:21,460 This— the ability for you to create something that other people listen to that 214 00:13:21,460 --> 00:13:25,220 isn't one of the three main networks. You have power now. And 215 00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:28,900 these types of events where you're bringing your podcast, you're bringing the 216 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:32,660 community, you're bringing the politician together, that's going to move the needle a 217 00:13:32,660 --> 00:13:36,420 lot faster than calling into your senator or or penning a 218 00:13:36,420 --> 00:13:39,260 letter— I don't know if people still pen letters, but, you know, penning a letter 219 00:13:39,260 --> 00:13:43,060 to your congressman. This method is 220 00:13:43,060 --> 00:13:46,700 the media. This is how you distribute information. You record that 221 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:50,540 episode, you put it on social media, you distribute it through your podcast 222 00:13:50,540 --> 00:13:54,020 feed, and now you have something to spread awareness, 223 00:13:54,260 --> 00:13:56,660 to, to show people, hey, we better save this lake or we're going to be 224 00:13:56,660 --> 00:14:00,500 in trouble. Yeah, you've got a voice, which is very important. Now, I 225 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:03,740 will say, like, this can also— this could have easily been a double-edged sword. Like, 226 00:14:03,740 --> 00:14:07,540 it could have quickly, and I've seen plenty of videos of where, like, 227 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:11,020 a town hall that was streamed live just kind of goes into this 228 00:14:11,020 --> 00:14:14,580 polarization moment where it's us against them and people are 229 00:14:14,580 --> 00:14:18,340 fighting. And next thing you know, there's, you know, there's anarchy going on inside 230 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:22,060 the courthouse or wherever it was. But I think they did 231 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:25,860 it in a way where they found commonalities. And, 232 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:29,780 you know, that takeaway, I think if you're doing this for a live event, 233 00:14:29,780 --> 00:14:32,420 if you're, if you're a podcaster, if you're anybody trying to do some kind of 234 00:14:32,420 --> 00:14:36,150 live event, and you've got two groups of people that may not see 235 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:39,830 eye to eye, you know, take an improv rule, find 236 00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:43,430 like and like, find things you can build on and then, 237 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:47,550 you know, elevate that. You know, I— you 238 00:14:47,550 --> 00:14:51,350 both like cheese. Awesome. Let's start with cheese, right? You both like, I 239 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:55,070 don't know, rap music or the fact that you like money. Okay, cool. 240 00:14:55,070 --> 00:14:58,870 I like money too, right? Go to— with idiocracy there. But there's something 241 00:14:58,950 --> 00:15:02,750 that everybody can find in common. You find that common ground because if you 242 00:15:02,750 --> 00:15:05,520 don't, you're going to get that polarized thing and then you're just going to be 243 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,160 battling each other and that's no fun. Nobody wants to see anybody argue on a 244 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,920 stage. Nobody wants to see anybody argue live. You know, we 245 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,280 get enough arguments in our daily, daily life and, you know, you want to see 246 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,040 people come together and build. Yeah, that's a 247 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,840 sign also of a well-moderated event. They really try to avoid that us versus 248 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,520 them language. They want to talk about here's where we're at, here's where the 249 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,300 problems are, here's some of the solutions. And they focused on an 250 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:35,100 outcome. And they were able by the end to get that commitment from the governor, 251 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:38,860 you know, less than 8 years away, can we get this thing filled back up? 252 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:42,060 And it's just a, a great way to see the community come together and get 253 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:45,900 some action on the table. Let's go. Speaking of action on the 254 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:49,660 table, I love this story. This one is— I wish I was in Fargo. 255 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:53,508 Uh, Fargo Moorhead Community Theater, they're building a $10 256 00:15:53,652 --> 00:15:57,250 million, 40,000 square foot theater. 257 00:15:57,570 --> 00:16:01,330 It's a 420-seat theater, and it's going to have 258 00:16:01,890 --> 00:16:05,690 the most important thing besides the modern acoustics, flexible classrooms, 259 00:16:05,690 --> 00:16:09,170 rehearsal space. It's going to have voice lessons 260 00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:12,530 rooms and a dedicated podcast space. 261 00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:16,850 Wow. That's a big deal. So they're building this theater and they're already incorporating 262 00:16:17,330 --> 00:16:21,170 what's the future going to be like that's going to fill this theater. So 263 00:16:21,570 --> 00:16:25,330 they're— they have rooms to develop the talent. They're thinking ahead. How 264 00:16:25,330 --> 00:16:28,890 do we get people comfortable on stage, on microphones? And 265 00:16:29,050 --> 00:16:32,730 when you start recording your own episode in spaces like this and you're 266 00:16:32,730 --> 00:16:36,410 ready to go to that next level, the next level is already there. There's a 267 00:16:36,410 --> 00:16:39,930 theater space for you to come in. Maybe there's special nights where 268 00:16:39,930 --> 00:16:43,650 tenants or, uh, students who are taking classes in 269 00:16:43,650 --> 00:16:47,250 the voice lesson room, the podcast studio, maybe there's like 270 00:16:47,250 --> 00:16:50,810 a recital night, you know, where they can come in, they can bring their family 271 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:54,610 in. And they can get a taste of performing on stage. I just thought this 272 00:16:54,610 --> 00:16:58,370 was a great way, uh, to build, you know, podcasting into the 273 00:16:58,370 --> 00:17:02,210 foundation of this theater and get something moving, get 274 00:17:02,210 --> 00:17:05,610 the arts flowing, get those ideas put out there, recorded and 275 00:17:05,610 --> 00:17:09,370 distributed. And it starts right in the back rooms of this 420-seat 276 00:17:09,650 --> 00:17:13,130 theater. Jeff, they're taking your idea, man. This is a great 277 00:17:13,530 --> 00:17:16,170 way to put stuff together. You know what I— you know what this means though? 278 00:17:16,170 --> 00:17:19,770 It really means that this is another form of just— you know, creative, 279 00:17:19,770 --> 00:17:23,490 creative media. Like, it's— we've gone out of our infancy of, 280 00:17:23,490 --> 00:17:27,290 you know, hello, I have an, you know, a show on this, and I'm 281 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:31,010 going to interview this guy about his business and what it means 282 00:17:31,010 --> 00:17:34,690 about B2B marketing. And instead, it's, you know, here are 283 00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:38,290 my ideas, let's build something creatively. This also adds a lot 284 00:17:38,290 --> 00:17:41,970 of unexpectedness because, as you're aware, a live audience can change things 285 00:17:42,370 --> 00:17:46,050 up, and it lets you kind of become more 286 00:17:46,050 --> 00:17:49,730 creative overall too, which I love. Man, that's a huge theater as 287 00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:53,410 well. So you could even have stuff 288 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:59,010 like a podcast moderating a live event and have people 289 00:17:59,010 --> 00:18:02,730 on stage and have an MC be part of someone 290 00:18:02,730 --> 00:18:06,450 who's streaming in. It also means maybe I can't get that guest 291 00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:09,750 in because they live in a different country. Now it opens up the world 292 00:18:10,620 --> 00:18:13,900 to guests from different places, people who are live and 293 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:18,140 local. And it just— it's, it's a really cool way to connect people. 294 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:21,980 Let's combine our last story with saving Great Salt Lake with this theater 295 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:26,059 space. Now you can have those types of community events, a 296 00:18:26,059 --> 00:18:29,740 podcast being moderated by, you know, a panel of four. That's a great way. Some 297 00:18:29,740 --> 00:18:33,380 of those panelists could be some of the students taking voice lessons, some of 298 00:18:33,380 --> 00:18:37,190 the podcasters using the podcast space. In the back rooms. And 299 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:40,630 now you have this event that you're putting together. It's a social event. 300 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:44,230 Your guests, like you mentioned, could be anywhere in the world. It's 301 00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:48,270 also, I think, an excellent business idea as a theater, 302 00:18:48,270 --> 00:18:51,950 you know, just like hearing about like a lot of the business 303 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:55,670 decisions. Like, modern theaters— I'm— I know this is gonna probably come to a 304 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:59,191 surprise— don't make a lot of money, right? It's— it's no surprise to 305 00:18:59,350 --> 00:19:02,970 me. Yeah, in fact, most theaters make more money off of like liquor 306 00:19:02,970 --> 00:19:06,730 sales than anything else, than any show stuff. And so, you 307 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:10,890 know, having people who are trained in audio work or podcasting or 308 00:19:10,890 --> 00:19:14,490 even just, you know, taking improv classes or acting classes or 309 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:18,330 whatnot, those type of things can help generate revenue to the theater. They can 310 00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:22,050 sponsor more programs so that they can, you know, sustain the theater for years 311 00:19:22,050 --> 00:19:25,450 to come. And that way you don't have to have like a patron that gives 312 00:19:25,450 --> 00:19:29,280 you money and then you're kind of beholden to whatever you know, they 313 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,960 want you to tell, you know, you want an independent theater to tell its 314 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,800 own story, not be beholden to some, you know, billionaire that, you know, 315 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,440 wants you to basically use it for their own soapbox. 316 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,879 And so I think any way that they can, you know, 317 00:19:43,879 --> 00:19:47,680 make revenue and also, again, train people in a creative craft 318 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,320 is an excellent business 319 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,720 idea. Absolutely. And you mentioned like, you know, if a theater doesn't have 320 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,470 a production that night, the theater isn't making any money that night. The, 321 00:19:58,470 --> 00:20:01,870 the doors are closed, the lights are off, but they're— they still have their bills 322 00:20:01,870 --> 00:20:05,310 to pay. And that's something I know with, you know, even though my theater is 323 00:20:05,310 --> 00:20:08,790 only 40 seats, I have maybe 2, 3 events a 324 00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:13,030 week. 4 nights a week, this theater is just burning cash. But what I 325 00:20:13,030 --> 00:20:16,790 love about their business model, there's these office rooms, office 326 00:20:16,790 --> 00:20:20,550 spaces, rehearsal rooms, podcast studios. They're building in these other 327 00:20:20,550 --> 00:20:24,290 little streams of income that can help support the theater during those 328 00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:27,850 down nights. Yeah, it's versatile. We'll keep going. We'll go back 329 00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:31,610 to history. This story is about Will Rogers at the 330 00:20:31,610 --> 00:20:35,410 Will Rogers Memorial Museum. This happened on February 12th, and 331 00:20:35,410 --> 00:20:39,210 they did a story of bringing Will Rogers to life. 332 00:20:39,210 --> 00:20:42,570 And for those of you who aren't fully familiar or weren't in attendance, you know, 333 00:20:42,570 --> 00:20:46,410 he's part of the Cherokee Nation, born in 1879. He was the highest 334 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:50,120 paid Hollywood star of his time. Also a political humorist. He was 335 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,880 a national influence. But we're seeing more and more 336 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,640 of these types of history events as podcasts 337 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,360 performing live for audiences, and the audiences are coming out in droves 338 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:04,960 to— and in this case, they had free admission and refreshments. So, you know, lure 339 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,480 people in with food and drinks and then tell some stories, tell that 340 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,720 history and share that legacy with people and bring it to life in a way 341 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,540 that you wouldn't get just reading a book or or listening to maybe 342 00:21:16,540 --> 00:21:20,180 a documentary that was produced before. And I just love when 343 00:21:20,180 --> 00:21:24,020 museums and podcasts come together. We've seen this model a few times, and this 344 00:21:24,020 --> 00:21:27,300 is just another example where, where it's just 345 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:31,380 that, that powerful connection of this is what we are, we're a museum, this 346 00:21:31,380 --> 00:21:34,940 is what we talk about, and this is what people like listening to. Let's bring 347 00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:38,540 all that together and have a night out. Yeah. And it's, it's a 348 00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:42,340 nice sense of immersion and depth, much like this delightful, 349 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:46,040 uh, spa, uh, ad that's on your screenshot as well. I'm being targeted 350 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,880 with my ads. Absolutely. It was 351 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,280 like, oh man, you need to get a big immersive spa. You know, they use 352 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,000 humor and storytelling. They use facts and then weird 353 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,440 quirks to kind of engage the audience. It's not like a, just a history 354 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200 lesson. I guarantee, you know, while I didn't see, you know, 355 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,240 anything in there, cause it was just a story that you posted, but like, you 356 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,780 know, this opens people up a little bit more to learning. And it takes that 357 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:14,540 absurdity of life and probably the really interesting facts about 358 00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:18,020 the guy's life and distills it a bit, 359 00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:21,780 you know, gives you something that you would then want to go, oh, here's 360 00:22:21,780 --> 00:22:25,460 some tidbits. You know, we have like— we always say like leave the audience 361 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:29,020 wanting more in improv, right? You know, he always ended on a high note. 362 00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:32,460 And I guarantee if they set this up right and they had the right audience 363 00:22:32,460 --> 00:22:35,580 and stuff, they would give them just enough to intrigue others so that they would 364 00:22:35,580 --> 00:22:38,950 go out and explore more information on their own. And that's the way 365 00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:42,910 you do historical, you know, shows. I, 366 00:22:42,910 --> 00:22:46,710 I kind of really enjoy historical podcasts or podcasts 367 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:50,070 that give like information and stuff. Like, I'll shout out to, you know, Stuff You 368 00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:53,869 Should Know, which is a Georgia podcast, and 369 00:22:53,869 --> 00:22:57,630 they always go into like really interesting tidbits or history behind, you know, whatever 370 00:22:57,630 --> 00:23:01,470 it is, like behind, I don't know, the armadillo or just 371 00:23:01,470 --> 00:23:04,790 random, you know, interesting, uh, facts and stuff. And it makes you want to go, 372 00:23:04,790 --> 00:23:08,450 oh cool, I want to find out more about this. That's how you draw people 373 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:11,570 in. The thing I love about these types of podcasts at 374 00:23:12,290 --> 00:23:15,834 museums is, you know, maybe they have a little bit of an agenda set. They 375 00:23:15,834 --> 00:23:19,170 have their— they, they outline what they want the show to talk about, but they 376 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:22,850 have all the artifacts of Will Rogers laying around, and they have a 377 00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:26,770 back room, things that aren't on display. You know, they could bring stuff 378 00:23:26,770 --> 00:23:30,610 out and share things that the public can't see, and they're 379 00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:34,430 sharing those unique artifacts those— the history, and they 380 00:23:34,750 --> 00:23:38,190 actually have like maybe the jacket or the hat or, you know, something that he 381 00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:42,190 wore on, on a movie set, and they have that here. They can bring it 382 00:23:42,190 --> 00:23:45,930 out and people can see it, something they haven't seen maybe in 70 years when 383 00:23:45,930 --> 00:23:49,230 they, they first saw it on the screen. Now that's the 384 00:23:49,390 --> 00:23:53,030 actual thing, and having an event like that in the museum, you can get so 385 00:23:53,030 --> 00:23:56,510 much more immersive in your storytelling. And it doesn't have to be 386 00:23:56,510 --> 00:24:00,110 this giant expensive event where they list, you know, you know, 387 00:24:00,110 --> 00:24:03,790 they see the, the setup and they've got the pop-up posters and 388 00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:07,650 the live of, you know, static recreation of the statues and all stuff, and they're, 389 00:24:07,650 --> 00:24:11,130 they're like, this is Will Rogers' gun. Well, that's cool, but, 390 00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:13,970 you know, instead they could just be like, you want to see his gun? Check 391 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:17,810 it out, you know, look at this thing. Great. Here's the 392 00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:21,370 shot glass that is right next to his gun. He used to take 5 shots 393 00:24:21,370 --> 00:24:24,250 of whiskey before he made a show. I, I don't know anything about the guy, 394 00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:26,930 so I don't know if that's actually true or not, but if I was, if 395 00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:30,520 I was doing cowboy movies, I would definitely be drinking a lot of whiskey on 396 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,240 set. So, but it gives that realism to stuff and you don't have to make 397 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,880 a giant, you know, like a big 398 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,880 set or a huge event because maybe you don't have the money to do that. 399 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,120 Or maybe you just want to do something quick and you can round up— you've 400 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:48,840 got too many artifacts from a particular individual or a 401 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,560 particular setting. And so you can't get everything into your exhibit. 402 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,560 And so that stuff in the back room, you just break out. Here's some tidbits. 403 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,290 You want to learn a little bit more? Come to the museum and you can 404 00:24:58,290 --> 00:25:02,050 learn a lot more. Yeah, you're filming all those cowboy movies in 405 00:25:02,050 --> 00:25:05,530 the desert, you got to take shots to stay hydrated. 406 00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:09,290 Also taking shots— photography shots— at the 407 00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:13,050 Petapixel Photography Podcast. They recorded live at the Build Expo and they 408 00:25:13,050 --> 00:25:16,170 were breaking down the latest camera releases like Canon, 409 00:25:16,170 --> 00:25:19,930 Nikon, Sony, Fujifilm, and then they closed with an audience 410 00:25:19,930 --> 00:25:23,530 Q&A. It's an example of how a niche podcast can turn a trade show 411 00:25:24,050 --> 00:25:27,250 appearance into live content that extends beyond the room. And we 412 00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:32,210 talk about, uh, podcasts like this all the time going to where their 413 00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:35,890 audience already is, performing their show in 414 00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:39,370 rooms where the people who love what they do already exist. So they brought their 415 00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:43,010 podcast, the Pedipixel, and they brought it to a 416 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:46,810 conference. That conference gave you that multiplying effect. You know, people know 417 00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:50,270 what you do, they probably are already fans, so those people are going to show 418 00:25:50,270 --> 00:25:53,990 up. But other people in the room who are at that conference, now they're getting 419 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:57,510 introduced to you. Now they can hear your thoughts and, and figure out why are 420 00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:01,310 all these other people interested in the show. And I just love the idea 421 00:26:01,550 --> 00:26:05,390 of taking, taking your show to where your audience already 422 00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:09,070 exists. Oh, absolutely. There are already experts, you know, sitting in 423 00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:12,750 the audience. There are already people passionate about the subject. And I'm gonna— I'll 424 00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:16,590 veer real quick, like, I do an improv show at Dragon Con every year. It's 425 00:26:16,590 --> 00:26:20,090 a Star Trek-based improv show called Captain's Log. Guess 426 00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:23,850 what? The audience of 800 people is full of Star Trek nerds 427 00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:28,170 who love Star Trek. And when I do Star Trek, an improvised Star 428 00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:31,930 Trek set on stage, they love 429 00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:35,890 everything because even if I'm wrong, which I frequently 430 00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:39,730 am, it's, it's because the community understands. They get the in-jokes, you know, 431 00:26:39,730 --> 00:26:43,370 same thing with what Petapixel did, right? You've got a bunch of designers 432 00:26:43,450 --> 00:26:47,190 and photographers. They're passionate about photography. They get up there, you want to see the 433 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:50,950 coolest new camera? Look what it does, you know, or this imports into, I 434 00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:54,790 don't know, Photoshop or Affinity or whatever, you know, design program you happen 435 00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:58,350 to be using, or it has all of these settings. They talk about stuff 436 00:26:58,350 --> 00:27:01,870 with the experts and then the people in the audience, they get it. They can 437 00:27:01,870 --> 00:27:05,670 get the technical jargon because they already are invested and involved 438 00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:09,270 in that creative film. You know, go where your audience is. That's a 439 00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:13,280 great idea. You're going to get a very engaged, happy 440 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,560 audience— well, not necessarily happy, they might be pissed off about it too— but at 441 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,240 least you're going to get some certain opinions about that subject 442 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,920 matter, which means you better be on point with your knowledge as 443 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,320 well too. So that makes you a better presenter because you have 444 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,080 to answer questions that maybe hit you from left field. Yeah, you 445 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,600 got to put the Canon people on the right side, the Nikon people on the 446 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,240 left side. Don't let them mix because they, they really stick to the camera that 447 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,390 they love. Yes. Lens manufacturers are just dead in the center trying to 448 00:27:43,390 --> 00:27:46,870 like, no guys, we can sell it to everybody. We like you, but we 449 00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:50,990 like everybody. But some people don't like everybody, and that's what happens 450 00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:54,670 on The Worst Hookup Ever is sometimes two people meet and they don't 451 00:27:54,670 --> 00:27:58,430 get along. And this is probably adult content, so don't go clicking the 452 00:27:58,430 --> 00:28:02,070 link if you, you have kids in the car. But this is from The 453 00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:05,830 Downside podcast, and they did this live audience segment called Worst Hookup Ever. It's 454 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:09,210 kind of like a game show and it was— had live 455 00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:13,210 audience participation. They weren't allowing anything illegal, but that doesn't mean that the 456 00:28:13,530 --> 00:28:17,250 content is PG-rated. And they let the crowd vote 457 00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:21,090 by applause, and they gave away prizes at the end, t-shirts and stuff. And I 458 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:24,810 just love the way— I love structured chaos. I grew up in the '80s and 459 00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:28,570 '90s, and I grew up with punk rock and skateboarding, 460 00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:32,350 so chaos is something that I love to thrive in. So to see a 461 00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:36,940 podcast really go off the rails, really try this type of format live 462 00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:40,620 on the stage, letting the audience come up and be the show. That's 463 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:44,140 a big risk, but you can really thrive in that 464 00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:47,900 type of chaos if you, if you really embrace it. Oh, 100%. 465 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:51,340 Hail Eris, man. Chaos is king. I will say a 466 00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:55,140 couple of takeaways from this. A, failure is always funny. You know, if you're 467 00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:58,970 going to crash the plane, crash it into the mountain. And crash 468 00:28:58,970 --> 00:29:02,090 it hard. Like, if you're going to fail, fail deep. People love to see that 469 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:05,610 stuff and it's hilarious when it goes sideways. Sometimes that's part 470 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:09,170 of the magic. And again, this is also 471 00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:13,130 a double-edged sword. You know, when sometimes things 472 00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:15,944 go bad, they're going to go bad in a really bad way. And the audience 473 00:29:15,944 --> 00:29:19,411 is going to be like, oh man, this is really a bad feeling. And that's 474 00:29:19,411 --> 00:29:23,050 when, you know, someone who's skilled in stuff like this needs to make sure 475 00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:26,600 that you steer that ship right. Have an MC. Prepared to take 476 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,680 it into either a positive direction or a funnier direction, or I 477 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,280 don't know, just press that button, make it go even worse, because you'll 478 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,840 kind of, kind of thread the needle and go through that awfulness into something hilarious. 479 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,480 And that's where true comedy lies. Yeah, I love 480 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,120 it. Eric, I'm so grateful for you joining me today on Padutian 481 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,840 News. Your improv experience, your storytelling, uh, 482 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,590 this made the show exponentially better today. Uh, 483 00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:57,110 thank you, thank you, thank you. These are the type, type of characteristics I'm looking 484 00:29:57,110 --> 00:30:00,670 for in a guest, and you delivered at 1,000%. And so 485 00:30:00,670 --> 00:30:04,350 everybody who listened to these 6 stories, go back. There are so many good 486 00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:08,110 nuggets about applying improv to your performances, about getting up live 487 00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:11,110 on stage. And the way I wrap the show up, Eric, is I like to 488 00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:14,830 turn it over one last time to you. I don't— you can plug, 489 00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:17,870 promote, talk about anything you'd like. The floor 490 00:30:18,460 --> 00:30:22,180 is yours. Oh man, you shouldn't have said that. No, I, I will 491 00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:25,740 say this. If anybody's interested in making a 492 00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:30,220 better podcast, you know, check us out. We, we wax philosophical about a lot of 493 00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:34,019 stuff, but I will also say take some improv classes, take some 494 00:30:34,019 --> 00:30:37,820 acting classes, take a public speaking class, take something that allows you 495 00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:41,340 to present in a way that you can structure how 496 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:46,020 you talk, uh, to your guest, right? Know who your audience is, and that 497 00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:49,380 will make you a better presenter and a better podcaster and a 498 00:30:49,380 --> 00:30:53,180 better person overall. And then if you're interested in how 499 00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:56,820 to tell a story, how to game with your players, or just how to 500 00:30:57,140 --> 00:31:00,580 have fun, check out the Goblin's Corner. We're on every single thing known 501 00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:04,420 to man. Uh, we even have social media, which I don't check, but my co-host 502 00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:06,820 Matt does. So you feel free to say hi to 503 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,820 him. And, uh, yeah, that's it. Go play some games, have some 504 00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:15,460 fun, be a kid again. That's the best part. I love, I love— I mean, 505 00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:18,970 especially this resurgence, obviously in the last 5, 10 years of of 506 00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:22,930 D&D and the storytelling that has really 507 00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:26,690 gone skyrocketed. But hearing adults now getting back into things 508 00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:30,370 that they loved as a child has been like the most rewarding part of 509 00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:33,890 hearing about all that growth and, and all that interest in D&D 510 00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:37,570 again, is people are reliving their childhood through these 511 00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:41,250 gaming experiences, through these storytelling experiences. And it's just— it's so much 512 00:31:41,410 --> 00:31:45,150 fun to live full again, live, live a life you lived as a kid but, 513 00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:48,470 you know, as an adult. Yes, life is not just 514 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:52,750 your soul-crushing job. Life is more than that. Get out, touch grass, 515 00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:56,590 enjoy the world. Oh, that's fun. Touch grass is— is that a, uh, I 516 00:31:56,590 --> 00:32:00,350 think that is like a corporate term. It probably is. I'm sorry, I come 517 00:32:00,350 --> 00:32:03,190 from corporate America. Oh my God, they're killing me 518 00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:08,630 already. What? They've, they've infiltrated you. My soul has already 519 00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:12,390 been crushed. If your soul hasn't been crushed and you want to perform like you're 520 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:16,120 a child again, We have a theater space here outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. We 521 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,840 do no contracts, no minimum ticket sales. We'll build you a landing page, sell 522 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,680 the tickets for you, produce the show, record the show, give you back 523 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,200 the recording. We take no ownership over the recording. At the end of the night, 524 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,644 I sit down with you, I show you the dashboard, and we split the 525 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,840 door 50/50. Everybody who has ever done a show on this stage has walked out 526 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,440 of here profitable on their first show. Check it out 527 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,940 at poduty.com. P-O-D-U-T-Y.com. This has been Poduty and 528 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,860 the News. Eric Holden, the Goblin's Corner. Eric, do you remember 529 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:49,620 what time it was? 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