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From Frisbee golf instructor,
special Forces Green Beret.

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And now a performance coach
dedicated to helping overextended,

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unsatisfied career men and women.

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Welcome to the Silvercore podcast,
Chris Lee, thanks so much for having me.

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This is awesome.

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I'm stoked.

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Oh, I had to get the
Frisbee golf part in there.

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Cause I dunno, that's a pretty neat
kind of place for you to start from.

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Yeah.

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Tell me about that.

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You, you were a prof, a professional
Frisbee golf instructor.

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I didn't know there was such a thing.

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Uh, not quite that glamorous.

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I was, I was actually working
right, right before I enlisted.

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I, uh, I, I was working at a fancy
hotel in Virginia, uh, and my job

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was like helping, helping people get
their dinner reservation straight.

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And then also teaching kids how
to play Frisbee golf and roast and

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marshmallows with 'em on the weekends.

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And, and like, looking back, particularly
in like some of the more difficult

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parts of my training, looking back,
that was like such a cush job.

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I was like, what?

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Why did I leave that?

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Uh, but um, but yeah, I was, it
wasn't quite as fulfilled as I

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wanted to be, so I, I decided to
pursue something a little different.

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So isn't that interesting?

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We can have everything.

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We can have the job that's giving
you the money and it's pretty easy.

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Yeah.

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But it's not fulfilling.

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Yeah.

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And you were looking for
greater fulfillment in your

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life, and you're like, I know.

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Why don't I just, just go from
Frisbee golf instructor and helping

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people with reservations to all out
special forces in the US military.

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I mean, that, that's not usually a
jump that people are like, I'm just

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gonna go from this marshmallow roasting
activity to this mud eating activity.

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And, uh, how, how did that come about?

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What was going through your head?

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Um, good, good question.

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It was, it was kind of during that
time that I was, I was at the hotel,

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uh, working and I, I really started
to get into this, this mindset

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of, um, how far can I push myself?

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Uh, how can I better myself every day?

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And I really started to think that.

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Uh, I kept, I kept repeating to myself
that mediocrity is the enemy, and I

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wanted to combat that as hard as I could.

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Um, and that's when I started to, to
think about maybe joining the military.

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I was, uh, I was a little bit older.

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I was 28 at the time.

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Um, and so I got in a little bit later.

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But yeah, I, part of that, part
of that decision making process

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is I, I wanted to pursue something
where success was not guaranteed.

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I wanted to try something that I could,
I could potentially give everything

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I had and it still not be enough.

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Um, that's, that's what appealed to me.

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Uh, and so that's why I pursued, uh,
kind of the, the direction that I did.

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So can you take me through that process?

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Do you have to enlist in the Army
for a certain period of time before

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actually trying out for the green
braze, or can you just say, look

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it, I'm, I'm gonna go straight in
and see if I can, if I can cut this.

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They, uh, so they, the US Army, um,
put together a program, uh, a long

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time ago called the 18 X-Ray Program.

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So special forces guys, their
moss or their jobs in the

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military are, are all 18 series.

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And so the 18 x-Ray, uh, contract
is, uh, if you, if you meet certain

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qualifications as a civilian
and say, Hey, I want to enlist.

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This is the job I want to pursue.

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It's a, it's, it's them saying that they
will give you an opportunity to try out.

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Um, and so that's what I wanted
and when I spoke with a recruiter,

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I was like, Hey, this is kind
of the direction I went ahead.

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And again, I was a little bit older
and, and I wasn't just, you know,

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some, some 19 year old that saw
Rambo too many times, although I

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have seen Rainbow too many times.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Uh, so he, he, he understood that I had
kind of thought through the process and,

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and done, done my research, uh, and he was
like, okay, yeah, let's, let's do that.

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Uh, interestingly though, uh,
I had, I had a knee surgery

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when I was in, in eighth grade.

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Uh, and so when I went to meps, which
is like the, the military interesting

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processing situation or, or whatever,
uh, where they, where they do like

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psychological and physical, uh,
exams on you to ensure that you're

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fit to serve the, in the military.

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Hmm.

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When, when I got brought into one
of the doctor's offices, uh, he

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was like, Hey, um, I'm, I'm excited
that you want to go Special forces.

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I worked with a couple of those guys.

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They're awesome.

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Uh, and he is looking through
my kind of medical record and

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he is like, hold on a second.

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Uh, and then he pulled a big book off the,
off his shelf and he is looking at it and

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he is like, Hey, I'm, I'm sorry to tell
you this, but because of your knee surgery

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when you were younger, they actually
removed part of your meniscus, uh, and

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that, um, that disqualifies you for any
kind of airborne contract, uh, which is,

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which is part of the 18 x-Ray contract.

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And I was like, what
are you telling me doc?

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He says, well, unfortunately I can't
give you an 18 x-ray contract from here.

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Uh, and I was just devastated
cuz uh, it's kidding.

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It's Alexa.

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I spent, you know, a year training
up and then reading a ton of books

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and then working with my recruiter.

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Uh, and so I was, I was
just pretty bummed out.

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Um, I was like, thank
you sir, I appreciate it.

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Uh, and he wish me luck.

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And I went out to my recruiter and I, and
I was told him kind of what was going on.

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He was like, Hey, I, they won't give
me an 18 x-ray contract from here.

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And my recruiter kind of looked at me,
he was like, well, you, you could just

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go 11 Bravo, which is an infantryman,
and hopefully pick up an 18 x-ray

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contract wallet basic, and mm-hmm.

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It was a bit of a, a bit of a gamble,
but I was like, okay, let's go for it.

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And, and that's what I did.

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So I, I enlisted as a, as an infantryman
and, uh, it was several weeks into

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basic, uh, I, we were all, I remember,
we were all outside, uh, as a platoon.

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Uh, and we were.

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Learning about some weapon system, and I
hear one of the drill sergeants call my

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name and I was like, oh, you never wanna
hear a drill sergeant call your name.

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No.

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So, so I kinda, I was just
kinda hoping that I misheard.

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Uh, and so I ignored it at first.

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Uh, and then he called a little bit
louder and then I ran over to him

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and I was like, yes, drill sergeant.

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And he was like, those
guys wanna go talk to you.

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So I look over and it was a, it was
a couple of SF recruiters, they'd

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called me and, and a handful of
other guys over and they're like,

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Hey, uh, do you want to try out?

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I was like, absolutely.

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Where do I sign?

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Uh, and so that's, that's where
I picked up my x-ray contract.

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So.

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Wow.

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There's always a way I found it doesn't
matter what it is, there's always a way,

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whether that's finding another doctor
or exactly going through a side route in

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order to get there if you want it enough.

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There's always a way.

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The one thing I've uh, learned though, is.

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That sometimes you get to the final
destination and you look back and you

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say, did the ends justify the means?

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Was this a worthwhile endeavor to get to?

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If at first I thought, Hey, this is
great, this is what I want to do.

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But you have to climb just an
almost insurmountable mountain to

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get up there and you arrive all
broken and battered and beaten.

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Um, you can always do it no matter what.

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You can do it.

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But the smart people are the ones who I
find who are able to look at that and say,

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maybe there's a smarter way to get there.

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Or does the ends justify the means
when I, when I finally achieve my goal?

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Yeah.

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No.

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Did the ends justify the means for you?

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Uh, I am, I'm thoroughly pleased
with how things worked out, uh, and

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awesome part, part of my story because
it was somewhat difficult and kinda.

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Uh, riddled with some uncertainty.

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I, I appreciate it more.

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And so going through selection and getting
picked up, and then three years in the Q

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course, um, was, was a bit of a marathon.

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Uh, so it's like the, the qualification
course is typically like a year and a

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half or two years, unless you're a medic.

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Uh, if you're a medic, they tack on
another nine months plus of, of medical

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training and which is you, incidentally,
I was voluntold to be a medic.

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So, so, uh, so, but, uh, again,
incredibly thankful for that opportunity.

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Um, although I'm not in the, the medical
field anymore, uh, learning a lot about

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trauma medicine, uh, was incredibly
interesting and, and fulfilling and,

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uh, and it was the best job on the team.

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Um, so I, I was, I was
incredibly thankful.

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Uh, and looking back, my, I'm pleased with
the journey and I'm pleased with kind of

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the difficulties that, that it was riddled
with, uh, and glad I ended where I ended.

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So, So with the, the whole medical
thing always changing, they're always

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coming up with new best practices.

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You still feel like you got the, uh, the
medic side kind of, kind of down pat,

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at least from where you were before.

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Cause I know when I do a first eight
course, like a few weeks later,

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I've lo I've forgotten most of it.

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There.

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There's a lot of things, even even
from the time of like beginning the med

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course to the end, there were certain
practices that were already changing,

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you know, within, within a year.

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Um, and so, yeah, a lot of that stuff
is, is interesting because medicine

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is always trying to improve itself,
uh, to make it more effective.

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Um, but the kind of, the bread and butter,
I, I still feel pretty good about, like,

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if somebody got shot in front of me or,
uh, I roll up on a car accident, I, I

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still know how to put on a tourniquet
and, uh, put on chest seals if I need to.

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And so some of those basic stuff,
uh, those basic things, I, I,

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I've still, I've still retained.

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I keep a med kit in my, in my truck,
uh, in case I roll up on something.

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So, So if this all came easy peasy, if
you didn't have to go through the, uh,

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the more difficult route to get there.

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And I mean it, correct me if I'm
wrong, I think it's usually what, 61

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weeks after sort of a pre-selection,
uh, process, uh, for a Green Beret.

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Yeah, it's, uh, yeah, go ahead.

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So yeah, if it all came super easy, would
it hold the same level of value for you?

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I, I don't think so.

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I think, I think that's why I liked
the process, and I think that's why,

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uh, I'll tell you a little story.

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So, yeah.

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Uh, in two, 2018, uh, my buddy Travis
and I, uh, kind of on a, on a whim, he

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was like, Hey man, I know a guy that's
climbing Kilimanjaro in Tanzania.

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Do you want to come?

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And I was like, yep, let's do it.

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So the hell yes.

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Uh, uh, so we're, we're climbing
and, and Kilimanjaro's is one of the.

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One of the highest mountains in the world.

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It's, it's the highest in Africa.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so if you're gonna hit all seven, you
have to hit Kilimanjaro at some point.

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But it's not a very technical climb.

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It's really, it's really just a walk.

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Uh, there's no like, harnessing in or, or
like ice climbing or anything like that.

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Uh, but the altitude will get to you.

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It's like 19,000 plus feet.

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Um, but so as, as we're, you know,
hiking, it takes several days

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to get up and primarily because
of the, the acclimatization

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process of, of the altitude.

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So we were at base camp, it was the
night before we were gonna go summit.

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Uh, and Travis and I were hanging out just
drinking coffee or whatever, and we hear

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like a base camp, this guy just yelling.

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And he had, and we were, we kind of both
perked up and we look over and he had

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both fist, you know, thrust in the air.

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And he, he was just stoked
and we could hear him.

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He was like, I did it.

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I summited the mountain.

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Uh, and he and I, and Travis and I
kind of both looked at each other

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because, uh, Without knowing it.

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Like he and I were both kind of
thinking the same thing, which

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was what's the next mountain?

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Yes.

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We hadn't even summited Kilimanjaro
yet, but we were al already thinking

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of like, what's, what's the next
adventure we're gonna go on?

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Because I think he and I, we
really enjoy the struggle.

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We really enjoy the climb, whatever,
whatever the mountain may be,

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whether literal or metaphorical.

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Um, that's the process.

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And the part that we like the
most is, is like the journey.

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Uh, and, and the summit was
great, don't get me wrong.

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It was, it was phenomenal.

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Uh, but, but the, the struggle
to get there is kind of what

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we liked the most, you know?

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It.

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One thing that I, I think about often.

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So you've got a very strong social
media feed and you can see a marked

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uptick at one point in your social
media where it really kind of, uh,

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took off a lot of very positive, uh,
messages and good information in there.

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There's gonna be links in this
podcast here, social media, so people

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can see you and find and follow.

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Awesome, awesome.

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Yeah.

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Um, but with that, there's always
the keep pushing, keep striving,

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don't stop, grind hard, right?

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Yeah.

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Next mountain, keep going.

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Um, I don't see a whole
ton of sit down, um, relax.

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Right, right.

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Look at your accomplishments
and appreciate them.

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Um, and that there's a very difficult
dichotomy in there because when you're

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sitting down and relaxing, you're
not accomplishing and you don't have

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that next thing that you can then
sit down and relax and look back at.

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How do you, how do you square that one?

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Because I know a lot of people
can get really stuck in the grind

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of trying to achieve and doesn't
matter what that mountain is.

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I mean, even, even Everest,
if you summited that a few

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years ago, uh, it's taller now.

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Slightly taller, right?

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So, I mean, just, just the way it
moves, you better go do it again.

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Uh, that, that's a,
that's a good question.

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Um, I've, I've found that like,
rest days, uh, from like working

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out, I hate rest days and hey.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, part of that is probably
like, uh, maybe my personality or, or

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maybe part of the indoctrination of
being on the teams and stuff of like,

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you, you should be doing something.

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Uh, sitting, sitting around
is like, what are you doing?

00:14:30.689 --> 00:14:31.530
Um, got time to leave.

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You got time to clean.

00:14:32.314 --> 00:14:33.390
Right, exactly.

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It's like, but pick up a broom.

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Start sweeping, right?

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Yeah.

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Um, So to answer your question, kind
of where I am now, uh, and how I, how

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I start to now enjoy a little bit more
of like the process by, by like sitting

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and observing and resting a little bit.

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I, I've outsourced the stuff that I hate
doing, um, or that I'm not very good at.

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Uh, and so, uh, so kind of like my, my
whole social media thing, it, it blew up,

00:15:02.145 --> 00:15:05.775
but by accident, I'm, I'm like, not trying
to be an influencer or anything like that,

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but, uh, I was, I wanted to do coaching,
uh, after I got out of the military.

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And so I started, I started putting
together like little videos on

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TikTok or Instagram or whatever.

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Um, but they, like, looking back,
uh, looking back, I think I was,

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I was just kind of half-assing
it to say I did it to, to feel as

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though I accomplished something.

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Uh, but in actuality it was, it
wasn't a hundred percent effort.

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And, and so, Uh, randomly, uh,
this kid, uh, reached out to me.

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He was like, Hey, man, I'm a video editor.

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I really like your message.

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Uh, would you be interested in
maybe, uh, working together?

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I could edit some, some videos for you.

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I was like, sure, why not?

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Uh, and because it's something
that he really enjoyed and

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it's not, it's something that
I didn't particularly care for.

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Uh, and so we, we worked together,
uh, recorded some things and a

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couple of them took off, uh, and, and
that started to build the audience.

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And I was like, oh, that was worthwhile,
uh, outsourcing the thing that,

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uh, I'm not very good at, or, or.

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Don't particularly enjoy to
somebody that is passionate

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about it, uh, has paid dividends.

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And so I started to do that, uh, with
some other things within my business too,

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and it's starting to pay off as well.

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Uh, which, so what does that mean?

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It is now allowing me
more time to, to yeah.

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Sit and, and kind of soak it up a little
bit and focus on the things that I'm

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passionate about, uh, such as like the
one-on-one coaching and, and, you know,

00:16:32.070 --> 00:16:35.070
being able to spend time with, with
the family and, and stuff like that.

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Because I think there's a big
difference between just being

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busy and being productive.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so I'm, I'm more concerned with
productivity, uh, even if that's, uh,

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even if I have to outsource some of it.

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Um, because grinding all day, I, I
respect that as long as it's productive.

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If it's just doing it to be busy.

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You're just spinning wheels, you're going
going a hundred miles an hour in nowhere.

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You know what I mean?

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Mm-hmm.

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So, so that's kind of been my,
my philosophy and it's been a

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learning experience for sure,
uh, through this process.

00:17:08.565 --> 00:17:08.714
Yeah.

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I'm still learning that one myself.

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I mean, we've got some fantastic people
on board, on the Silvercore team, and,

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uh, in the early days it was, uh, uh,
quite a learning process when you bring

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people on board or people to help out.

00:17:23.625 --> 00:17:27.645
And then essentially you have to
become a manager yourself, a manager

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of the projects and of these people.

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And the biggest thing that I
always look for is people that

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can self-manage themself who don't
need somebody over their shoulder.

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Cause I'm not a micromanager.

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And I mean, truth be told, I'm not,
I'm not a great manager because

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that's not where my passion is.

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I can do it, but I'd much rather
have people who are passionate about

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what they do, bring them on board
so they can do things that I'm.

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I'm not capable of doing at their level.

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So that Right.

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That was a huge learning
part for me as well.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, within the Green Beret training
that you did, the attrition rate,

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I mean, not everybody makes it on
that goes in, right, right, right.

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Were you able to kinda look around at
the get-go and say, yeah, I got this,

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or look around and say, I don't think
that person's gonna quite make it.

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Were, were these things
identifiable to you at, at day one?

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Um, that's a good question as well.

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I, I think, cuz when I, when I
showed up to selection, I was,

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I was an 18 x-ray at that point.

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Uh, I had picked up the contract at
Basic, uh, and I was, I was there to try

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to learn and offer as much as I could.

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Um, so the, the 18 x-rays
are kind of known for.

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Not being very smart on Army
stuff, which makes sense cuz they

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haven't been in the army very long.

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Um, sure.

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But they're, they're pretty
strong, so they're the workhorses.

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Uh, and so when it comes to like, portions
of selection, like team week and stuff,

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um, the x-rays are like eager to work.

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Like, yeah, put the load on my
back, I'll, I'll carry it forever.

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Um, and so, and so, um, I don't know,
it's kind of word vomity trying to, to

00:19:12.389 --> 00:19:16.649
answer your question, but like, I, I
did go in a little bit older and so I,

00:19:16.649 --> 00:19:22.649
I had been around people before, not
necessarily in that setting, but, uh,

00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:27.120
there were some guys that, um, yeah, I'm
like, man, I, there's something about

00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:30.090
him that's, I don't wanna work with him.

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Right.

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And so, and, and selection is, is.

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Yes, it's physical, but it's primarily
how well can you work on a team?

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How well, uh, I mean,
that's a big part of it.

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And then how well can you operate
in complete, uh, isolation?

00:19:46.050 --> 00:19:48.600
So like, like the land nav
portion, you're, you're on your

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own in the woods in the dark.

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Um, how can, how well do you handle that?

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Um, being introverted, I, I appreciated
Land A was probably my favorite part.

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Cause I didn't have to, I didn't
have to rely on anybody else.

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It was just on me.

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Uh, which Right.

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Which I enjoyed a great deal.

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Uh, but also like team week and
stuff, it was, there were guys

00:20:07.805 --> 00:20:11.790
that, um, man, how do I say it?

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Uh, maybe showed up with ego, uh mm-hmm.

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Um, and, and some of that may be
coming from kind of where they

00:20:19.950 --> 00:20:21.870
were coming from within the army.

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Um, I don't know.

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They, there were guys you could tell that
like, I, I'm just not sure that you're.

00:20:29.250 --> 00:20:31.350
I'm not sure you're
your team guy material.

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Um, they're physically you're capable,
but I, I don't wanna work with

00:20:36.600 --> 00:20:39.180
you and I'm not sure anybody else
would wanna work with you either.

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Um, and so that, that costs some people,
I think some spots in selection for sure.

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I've seen that show up sort
of as a false confidence.

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I mean, some people, um, some people
say, oh, look at that person's

00:20:52.800 --> 00:20:55.680
ego when they're just a very
confident, competent individual.

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And that confidence might intimidate
somebody who's not as competent or

00:21:00.210 --> 00:21:04.500
confident and they say, oh, his ego's
outta control, or her ego's outta control.

00:21:05.070 --> 00:21:09.930
And there's a difference between that and
this false confidence of this bravado.

00:21:10.410 --> 00:21:10.530
Yeah.

00:21:10.590 --> 00:21:16.740
Ego up here, but the actual ability level
is may, maybe not, not where it should.

00:21:18.825 --> 00:21:21.675
Yeah, I, I think that's, that's a
great way to put it, is that kind of

00:21:21.675 --> 00:21:23.685
false confidence and, and bravado.

00:21:23.685 --> 00:21:25.425
I, I definitely remember
seeing a lot of that.

00:21:28.655 --> 00:21:35.065
I, I guess so, so, um, when these, when
these people who didn't make it, that

00:21:35.065 --> 00:21:40.245
you probably saw from the get-go not
being able to make it, uh, were they

00:21:40.245 --> 00:21:44.655
kind of relieved, like secretly relieved,
outwardly disappointed, secretly relieved?

00:21:46.875 --> 00:21:56.925
I th good question that there were guys
for sure that, um, that they either bowed

00:21:56.925 --> 00:22:03.345
out or were non-selected and, and they
would say things like, yeah, well I di I

00:22:03.345 --> 00:22:05.085
don't think that life was for me anyway.

00:22:05.355 --> 00:22:05.985
Um, sure.

00:22:06.435 --> 00:22:10.095
Which is kind of like a, in some
cases that might be the case,

00:22:10.095 --> 00:22:13.465
like, Not everybody wants to
be a Green Beret, uh mm-hmm.

00:22:13.550 --> 00:22:17.175
And, and sometimes when you try
out it's because somebody expected

00:22:17.175 --> 00:22:20.565
you to, or maybe somebody else
is putting their goals on you.

00:22:21.495 --> 00:22:21.555
Hmm.

00:22:21.855 --> 00:22:26.595
And so, so in some cases, I think
fewer than, uh, than what is

00:22:26.595 --> 00:22:30.764
actually, uh, projected, but like
in some cases that is the case.

00:22:30.855 --> 00:22:32.235
The lifestyle isn't for them.

00:22:32.595 --> 00:22:32.685
Mm-hmm.

00:22:32.955 --> 00:22:37.065
Um, but in other cases, I think,
uh, when they say that it's really

00:22:37.070 --> 00:22:40.815
them trying to comfort themselves
for not making the cut or for

00:22:40.820 --> 00:22:45.405
quitting, uh, quitting is, it happens.

00:22:45.495 --> 00:22:50.085
Uh, and, and people bow out and, and they
get to a point where like, I just don't

00:22:50.085 --> 00:22:54.465
want to ruck anymore, or I don't, I don't
want to walk through the woods alone

00:22:54.465 --> 00:22:57.165
anymore, or I can't do this exercise.

00:22:57.254 --> 00:22:57.975
And so Yeah.

00:22:57.975 --> 00:23:01.784
When they, when they drop, uh, it's
like, yeah, I don't want the lifestyle.

00:23:02.235 --> 00:23:02.325
Mm-hmm.

00:23:02.865 --> 00:23:04.155
Maybe, or maybe.

00:23:04.560 --> 00:23:08.430
Maybe you just had a moment of weakness,
you know, in this particular exercise.

00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:11.550
Um, and the, the reason I'm asking
these questions, and I want to

00:23:11.550 --> 00:23:16.620
concentrate more just to try and have
some chronological sureness to this.

00:23:16.800 --> 00:23:19.350
I would like to concentrate more a little
bit about your time in the Army, but

00:23:19.350 --> 00:23:22.950
I'm asking these questions cuz they will
relate to your coaching company as well.

00:23:23.190 --> 00:23:23.430
Yeah.

00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:31.710
Um, but you know, people who are quitting
the term, quitting has such a negative

00:23:31.715 --> 00:23:35.610
connotation to it when in fact it's
probably the best thing that they could

00:23:35.610 --> 00:23:41.190
be doing for themselves and for the
team as well, is by maybe moving towards

00:23:41.190 --> 00:23:43.290
something that's more desirable for them.

00:23:43.295 --> 00:23:47.940
Mm-hmm And that's the difficult dichotomy
that I think a lot of people have when

00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:51.480
they look at, let's say in the social
media, gotta grind, gotta go here,

00:23:51.690 --> 00:23:58.125
here's the next, uh, It's being able
to identify what is important for the

00:23:58.125 --> 00:24:02.625
individual and how that individual
will be happy in their life moving

00:24:02.625 --> 00:24:06.254
forward, and be able to affect those
around them in a positive way as well.

00:24:06.524 --> 00:24:11.745
And if that means moving themselves,
themselves out of one situation, which

00:24:11.745 --> 00:24:17.294
isn't really helping themselves or others
into one that's more desirable, quitting

00:24:17.294 --> 00:24:22.635
one and trying something else, or moving
towards something else, I, I guess that's

00:24:22.635 --> 00:24:25.575
all part of our, our, our journey here.

00:24:25.605 --> 00:24:30.405
But I, I find that, uh, the mental
health side of things, if somebody

00:24:30.409 --> 00:24:35.745
goes in for something like green bra
selection and they fail or they quit,

00:24:35.925 --> 00:24:38.235
that's gotta loom heavy on their head.

00:24:38.504 --> 00:24:42.405
Similar in a way that maybe some
of the people that you coach are

00:24:42.409 --> 00:24:45.794
moving towards something and you
look at them and just identify.

00:24:46.965 --> 00:24:49.365
This really isn't in your
personality or makeup.

00:24:49.365 --> 00:24:51.155
Is this really something you want to do?

00:24:51.705 --> 00:24:52.035
Right.

00:24:52.455 --> 00:24:57.165
No, I, and that's actually where I start
with my coaching is, uh, because I, I

00:24:57.165 --> 00:25:02.445
want to avoid traveling down a journey
towards a goal and then partway down,

00:25:02.445 --> 00:25:06.015
yet you realize, oh, this, this actually
doesn't align with my value system.

00:25:06.015 --> 00:25:08.445
This isn't really the kind
of person I want to be.

00:25:08.715 --> 00:25:12.795
And so, so my, my first session
with folks is always, all right,

00:25:12.795 --> 00:25:14.685
tell me who you want to become.

00:25:15.015 --> 00:25:18.825
And I, and I focus in a couple
different areas like mental, physical,

00:25:18.885 --> 00:25:20.865
emotional, social, and financial.

00:25:21.255 --> 00:25:24.885
And my thought is if you can kind
of tackle each of those areas,

00:25:24.885 --> 00:25:26.755
you can level up holistically.

00:25:26.985 --> 00:25:30.285
Cuz it, if you, if you lack
discipline in one area, it kind of

00:25:30.285 --> 00:25:31.695
bleeds over into all the others.

00:25:32.115 --> 00:25:33.915
Um, and so I address each of those.

00:25:34.844 --> 00:25:39.044
Again, session one is, all right, tell
me who you want to become in five years.

00:25:39.104 --> 00:25:43.004
Like, what kind of man or woman do
you want to be in each of those areas?

00:25:43.304 --> 00:25:46.665
Because that's the value system
on which we can stack all of your

00:25:46.669 --> 00:25:50.115
goals, because that, that aligns
with who you want to be and not

00:25:50.115 --> 00:25:51.465
what somebody else wants you to be.

00:25:52.125 --> 00:25:52.334
No.

00:25:52.965 --> 00:25:58.215
Do you ever ask them why, why they
want to be a certain person or?

00:25:58.725 --> 00:25:59.054
Yeah.

00:25:59.084 --> 00:26:03.165
Uh, sometimes I'll have to draw
out like, all right, where,

00:26:03.169 --> 00:26:04.365
where is that coming from?

00:26:04.425 --> 00:26:10.334
Like a, again, we want to avoid
having those, uh, goals being, uh,

00:26:10.365 --> 00:26:14.475
forced on you, whether you know
it or not, by, by something that

00:26:14.475 --> 00:26:17.294
is outside of, of who you are.

00:26:17.625 --> 00:26:21.675
Um, whether it's like, cuz not
everybody wants a, a Corvette

00:26:21.675 --> 00:26:22.844
and a mansion, you know?

00:26:22.844 --> 00:26:23.245
Mm-hmm.

00:26:23.330 --> 00:26:26.925
Um, and sometimes people start chasing
it because they're expected to.

00:26:27.435 --> 00:26:28.125
To want it.

00:26:28.425 --> 00:26:31.485
Uh, but then all they really wanted
was, you know, a cabin in the

00:26:31.485 --> 00:26:34.355
woods and some isolation, you know?

00:26:36.645 --> 00:26:36.945
Yeah.

00:26:37.005 --> 00:26:37.545
Covais.

00:26:37.545 --> 00:26:38.625
My kids would say, Hey, you know what?

00:26:38.625 --> 00:26:39.855
Car is totally overrated.

00:26:39.975 --> 00:26:42.645
I guess it's some quote from Hot Rod.

00:26:43.245 --> 00:26:50.595
Uh, um, yeah, the, the getting to the
why and then being able to, uh, help

00:26:50.925 --> 00:26:52.965
the people get to where they want to be.

00:26:53.175 --> 00:26:53.265
Mm-hmm.

00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.705
I would imagine going through what
you've gone through makes it really

00:26:57.705 --> 00:27:01.545
easy for you to be able to quickly
identify those who will be able to push

00:27:01.550 --> 00:27:05.325
hard and maybe those whose aspirations
might be a little bit different.

00:27:05.775 --> 00:27:05.985
Yeah.

00:27:06.015 --> 00:27:10.335
What, what were some of the most
difficult things that you had to

00:27:10.335 --> 00:27:14.685
encounter through your selection
and time as, as a Green Beret that.

00:27:16.215 --> 00:27:19.965
If you're able to look back and
tell young Chris to kind of help

00:27:19.965 --> 00:27:24.075
prepare him for, you'd be able to
maybe offer a little bit of advice.

00:27:24.195 --> 00:27:24.675
Sure.

00:27:25.185 --> 00:27:30.675
The, I think the hardest part of the
whole Q course was how long it was.

00:27:31.035 --> 00:27:36.735
Um, and I had to wake up every day
for, you know, for three years and,

00:27:36.795 --> 00:27:38.745
and say, I still want this, you know.

00:27:38.865 --> 00:27:47.025
Um, so it's selection is
as cliche as this sounds.

00:27:47.025 --> 00:27:49.275
Selection was the easy part
because it was, you know, a

00:27:49.280 --> 00:27:51.375
couple weeks and then you're done.

00:27:52.035 --> 00:27:55.415
But then, but then you have,
you know, the marathon of the Q

00:27:55.420 --> 00:27:57.255
course and, and all the phases.

00:27:57.315 --> 00:28:04.455
Uh, and uh, when looking at that as a
whole, it can be rather daunting, um,

00:28:04.515 --> 00:28:11.639
because it's, I, because essentially you
could put in all the time, and still at

00:28:11.639 --> 00:28:15.720
the very end at Robin Sage, they say, we
don't want you, you know, Robin Sage is

00:28:15.725 --> 00:28:21.120
the final, uh, field training exercise
to, to put, put all of your training

00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:23.820
to use in like a, a, a big scenario.

00:28:24.270 --> 00:28:28.260
Uh, and and I, I was at Robin
Sage with a handful of guys that

00:28:28.260 --> 00:28:30.180
didn't make the cut and Wow.

00:28:30.330 --> 00:28:32.220
After they spent years in the Q course.

00:28:32.225 --> 00:28:36.240
So it's like, that is, that's tough.

00:28:36.300 --> 00:28:36.830
Uh mm-hmm.

00:28:36.909 --> 00:28:42.570
And so, so, uh, but that, that
process has really shaped how I do

00:28:42.570 --> 00:28:46.750
things with, with my coaching is,
alright, start with the identity.

00:28:46.754 --> 00:28:47.460
Who do you want to be?

00:28:47.490 --> 00:28:49.050
In my case, I wanna be a Green Beret.

00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:50.100
Uh, okay.

00:28:50.105 --> 00:28:51.060
So what's the goal?

00:28:51.060 --> 00:28:55.110
I want to, I want to achieve these
things while on an oda once I get there.

00:28:55.409 --> 00:28:57.899
Uh, okay, so, so what does
that mean about today?

00:28:58.290 --> 00:29:02.760
Uh, well that means I have to adjust the
way I exercise, adjust the way I eat.

00:29:03.270 --> 00:29:04.320
Prioritize sleep.

00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:07.710
You know, like that goal and
that identity down the road.

00:29:08.040 --> 00:29:14.190
Um, had a, um, it had a, a direct
effect on, on my daily actions

00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:16.890
because I knew what I wanted and
knew what I was striving for.

00:29:16.890 --> 00:29:20.310
And that's, that's kind of the
model on which I, I base my whole

00:29:20.310 --> 00:29:23.790
coaching is figure out who you
want to be, where you want to be.

00:29:24.210 --> 00:29:24.450
All right.

00:29:24.450 --> 00:29:26.490
And then I'll help you
figure out how to get there.

00:29:26.550 --> 00:29:29.100
Cuz the Army's pretty good at
teaching you how to backwards plan.

00:29:29.490 --> 00:29:33.390
And so, and so that's, that's kind
of what we do is, all right, tell me

00:29:33.390 --> 00:29:36.810
the identity you want to accomplish
and then we'll figure out what we

00:29:36.810 --> 00:29:38.820
gotta do today to make that happen.

00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:42.540
I like the concept of prioritizing sleep.

00:29:42.840 --> 00:29:43.890
Can you talk more on that?

00:29:45.060 --> 00:29:45.660
Sleep.

00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.680
I, I sometimes joke with people
that I train nine hours a day.

00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:54.050
Um, and what I mean by that is I
spend an hour in the gym and then I,

00:29:54.055 --> 00:29:55.380
I try to get eight hours of sleep.

00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:59.370
Uh, and it's, it's that important,
uh, sleep is one of the.

00:30:00.570 --> 00:30:07.470
Most, um, underutilized, uh, performance
enhancing activity you can do.

00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:07.950
Mm-hmm.

00:30:08.190 --> 00:30:15.720
Uh, it is like sleep is so important that
like muscle growth and, and mental growth,

00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:20.580
like being able to recall things, uh, like
sleep is incorporated into all of that.

00:30:20.610 --> 00:30:24.570
And, and if you don't get good
quality sleep, uh, you are really

00:30:24.570 --> 00:30:26.129
just hamstringing yourself.

00:30:26.429 --> 00:30:31.139
Uh, un unfortunately though, sleep is
one of the first things that you, you

00:30:31.139 --> 00:30:37.169
start to, um, put on the back burner or,
or neglect, uh, when things get busy,

00:30:37.560 --> 00:30:43.754
uh, which is unfortunate because, uh,
if you go long enough, With, uh, low

00:30:43.754 --> 00:30:47.955
quality sleep, or you start actually
becoming sleep deprived, it's the

00:30:47.955 --> 00:30:49.455
equivalent of walking around drunk.

00:30:49.754 --> 00:30:53.115
Uh, and so like, how effective
can you really be, uh, when you're

00:30:53.120 --> 00:30:55.695
inebriated, uh, due to lack of sleep?

00:30:55.754 --> 00:30:56.594
You know what I mean?

00:30:56.745 --> 00:30:56.925
Mm-hmm.

00:30:57.165 --> 00:31:01.304
So, uh, unfortunately that was a
lesson learned a little bit too late.

00:31:01.395 --> 00:31:07.094
Um, but I'm, I'm definitely trying to make
it more of a priority, uh, moving forward.

00:31:07.094 --> 00:31:11.534
I, I, I use the, uh, the aura
ring, uh, which is a sleep tracker.

00:31:11.804 --> 00:31:17.205
Uh, and the reason I got it is
because I, I believe that what

00:31:17.205 --> 00:31:18.975
gets measured gets managed.

00:31:18.975 --> 00:31:23.189
And so being able to like,
Accurately track kind of my sleep.

00:31:23.340 --> 00:31:28.260
Not only schedule, but like quality of
sleep, uh, helps me adjust my, my daily

00:31:28.260 --> 00:31:32.550
schedule in such a way that I can, I
can try to make that more of a priority.

00:31:33.780 --> 00:31:35.879
What, what are your current priorities?

00:31:36.810 --> 00:31:39.030
Uh, in general or for sleep?

00:31:39.810 --> 00:31:40.979
Well, I guess in general.

00:31:41.219 --> 00:31:41.669
Yeah.

00:31:42.239 --> 00:31:47.610
Um, so my, I, I'll kind of run through.

00:31:48.675 --> 00:31:50.895
My goals and my identities
that I'm shooting for.

00:31:50.895 --> 00:31:54.435
So, so mentally, I, I
am a constant learner.

00:31:54.435 --> 00:31:56.475
That's the identity that I'm striving for.

00:31:56.535 --> 00:32:02.865
And so a lot of that was, I used
to wrap up that with the number

00:32:02.870 --> 00:32:04.245
of books I could read in a year.

00:32:04.245 --> 00:32:07.095
I was always shooting for like
a book a week, so hopefully Wow.

00:32:07.155 --> 00:32:08.685
52 books a, a year.

00:32:09.015 --> 00:32:13.605
Uh, and after a while I, I really
started getting wrapped around the axle

00:32:13.605 --> 00:32:15.345
with the number of books I was reading.

00:32:15.855 --> 00:32:19.935
And I've taken a step back and,
and reexamined that identity piece.

00:32:19.935 --> 00:32:23.955
I am a constant learner, whereas
retaining information has

00:32:23.955 --> 00:32:25.215
become more of the priority.

00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:29.565
And so the number of books is less
important, but rather the quality, uh,

00:32:29.565 --> 00:32:33.815
of books that I read and also the, the
amount of information I retain from 'em.

00:32:34.365 --> 00:32:36.735
So that's my, my mental, uh, my mental.

00:32:37.875 --> 00:32:40.605
Physically, uh, I look good
naked and I'm hard to kill.

00:32:40.665 --> 00:32:42.765
That's kind of the identity
that I'm shooting for.

00:32:42.765 --> 00:32:43.275
I love it.

00:32:44.385 --> 00:32:47.985
So, uh, my, my thought behind
that, and some of that is like

00:32:48.045 --> 00:32:52.365
residual from, from Army, you
know, like, try not to die, right?

00:32:52.855 --> 00:32:53.345
Yeah.

00:32:54.165 --> 00:32:59.505
Uh, but I think there's something to
be said like when you, when you hop

00:32:59.505 --> 00:33:01.845
outta the shower and you're looking
in the mirror, if you're proud of what

00:33:02.065 --> 00:33:06.945
you see, that, that is a testament to
your, your daily actions and habits

00:33:06.945 --> 00:33:08.565
over the past, you know, years.

00:33:08.925 --> 00:33:11.625
Uh, fitness isn't
something you can cram for.

00:33:11.655 --> 00:33:16.305
It's something that, that requires
long-term planning and, and discipline.

00:33:16.665 --> 00:33:20.055
Uh, and so, so the look good naked
part is, part of that is like,

00:33:20.115 --> 00:33:23.535
all right, the look good naked is,
it's, it's funny to say, but it's

00:33:23.540 --> 00:33:25.305
really just like, am I disciplined?

00:33:25.305 --> 00:33:26.205
Am I consistent?

00:33:26.625 --> 00:33:26.775
Mm-hmm.

00:33:27.015 --> 00:33:28.545
Um, the hard to kill part.

00:33:28.635 --> 00:33:32.175
Uh, again, part of that
is, is really like.

00:33:32.985 --> 00:33:36.285
Being able to withstand whatever
life throws at me, whether that's,

00:33:36.285 --> 00:33:40.005
you know, motor vehicle accidents
or, or just disease in general.

00:33:40.005 --> 00:33:43.515
The healthier you are, the harder
it is for life to kill you.

00:33:43.905 --> 00:33:49.395
Uh, and so, so that's, that's kind of
what I'm shooting for, uh, emotionally.

00:33:49.485 --> 00:33:52.155
Uh, I am the calm,
calmest man in the room.

00:33:52.215 --> 00:33:53.535
That's, that's what I'm striving by.

00:33:53.535 --> 00:33:55.035
That's the identity that I want to be.

00:33:55.695 --> 00:34:02.025
And primarily because I think in
moments of chaos, it's the people

00:34:02.030 --> 00:34:05.535
that remain calm, they're the ones
that are able to solve the problem.

00:34:05.955 --> 00:34:10.575
Uh, and that's, and that's what I, I
want to, I want to try to be that guy.

00:34:10.755 --> 00:34:15.225
Uh, if, if chaos shows up
or, or a situation arises,

00:34:15.225 --> 00:34:17.805
that is incredibly stressful.

00:34:17.805 --> 00:34:20.475
I wanna be able to want, I wanna
be the one that takes a breath

00:34:20.535 --> 00:34:23.515
and starts solving the problem
and working through a solution.

00:34:23.765 --> 00:34:24.115
Mm.

00:34:24.165 --> 00:34:27.074
Um, So those are, those are a
couple of the, the identities and

00:34:27.074 --> 00:34:28.695
goals that I'm, I'm striving for.

00:34:28.695 --> 00:34:34.755
And, and those are important to me
because, uh, uh, again, it's again,

00:34:34.755 --> 00:34:38.534
going through my training, having
that identity in the, in the, in

00:34:38.534 --> 00:34:42.915
the distance that I'm aiming for is,
is what dictates my daily actions.

00:34:42.945 --> 00:34:47.865
And I'm, I've tried to establish, uh,
those similar identities to, to help

00:34:47.865 --> 00:34:49.755
dictate what I do on a daily basis.

00:34:51.165 --> 00:34:52.395
Now, I think you mentioned you had a.

00:34:53.850 --> 00:34:54.150
Yes.

00:34:54.150 --> 00:34:56.010
Uh, I've got, uh, two daughters.

00:34:56.070 --> 00:34:57.990
Uh, they keep me on my toes for sure.

00:34:58.140 --> 00:35:00.930
So a 16 year old and a,
uh, almost nine year old.

00:35:01.290 --> 00:35:01.740
Uh, wow.

00:35:01.740 --> 00:35:03.900
And they, they're a handful for sure.

00:35:04.150 --> 00:35:07.860
So driving in just about nine
years old, getting, getting

00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:08.970
close to high school there.

00:35:09.180 --> 00:35:09.690
Yeah.

00:35:09.690 --> 00:35:14.280
So it's, uh, they, they're,
they're pretty incredible.

00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:21.480
Uh, and my, my nine year old, I
brought her to, to jiu-jitsu one day.

00:35:21.510 --> 00:35:25.230
Uh, I, it was one Saturday I had
her and I was like, Hey, come, come

00:35:25.230 --> 00:35:27.180
watch me train, uh, in the dojo.

00:35:27.210 --> 00:35:27.960
And she's like, okay.

00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:31.740
Uh, and she's, she's sitting
there watching me and I'm,

00:35:31.770 --> 00:35:32.670
I'm just a white belt.

00:35:32.670 --> 00:35:35.790
So I'm getting smashed most of the,
most of the practice anyway, but.

00:35:37.305 --> 00:35:38.535
I, I can kind of hold my own.

00:35:38.535 --> 00:35:42.255
I have a, a wrestling BA background
and stuff, but, uh, when it was all

00:35:42.255 --> 00:35:46.185
said and done, she, she was like,
you looked ridiculous out there.

00:35:48.465 --> 00:35:49.855
Like, thanks honey.

00:35:49.855 --> 00:35:50.265
Thanks kiddo.

00:35:50.265 --> 00:35:50.955
Appreciate it.

00:35:51.795 --> 00:35:53.025
I'll try better next time.

00:35:53.030 --> 00:35:54.165
So love the support.

00:35:54.495 --> 00:35:54.695
Yeah.

00:35:54.695 --> 00:35:54.975
Great.

00:35:55.035 --> 00:35:59.265
She, she's a savage, so, well, you
get unfiltered honesty, which is,

00:35:59.265 --> 00:36:00.615
you couldn't ask her much more.

00:36:00.795 --> 00:36:03.345
Yeah, I, I do appreciate the
feedback, so at least she's

00:36:03.345 --> 00:36:04.455
gonna shoot me straight, so.

00:36:04.725 --> 00:36:05.355
Exactly.

00:36:05.355 --> 00:36:10.965
You know, that, um, do you follow
a similar plan with your family

00:36:11.025 --> 00:36:14.985
in raising your children and
family, uh, goals and settings?

00:36:15.165 --> 00:36:17.265
Is that something that,
uh, you have in place?

00:36:17.625 --> 00:36:21.015
Uh, I try to, I have found, uh, and maybe.

00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:23.130
Particularly with daughters.

00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:27.330
Um, but if it's not their
idea, it's not a good idea.

00:36:27.330 --> 00:36:34.710
So, so I have to try to like socially
engineer situations where my ideas, uh,

00:36:34.770 --> 00:36:36.420
seem as though they were their ideas.

00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:38.520
If, if that makes sense.

00:36:39.270 --> 00:36:41.790
I've got a daughter and a son
and, you know, I can kind of

00:36:41.790 --> 00:36:43.120
relate to that a little bit.

00:36:44.550 --> 00:36:49.530
But, um, and the reason I ask,
you know, I've, I've always taken

00:36:49.530 --> 00:36:55.530
the approach of, uh, doing similar
goal setting and planning with

00:36:55.535 --> 00:36:57.450
the family and with the kids.

00:36:57.450 --> 00:36:59.640
And what is it you're interested in now?

00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:03.060
I mean, they don't have to have
it figured out for the future.

00:37:03.060 --> 00:37:03.150
Sure.

00:37:03.240 --> 00:37:04.590
I mean, how stressful would that be?

00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:06.210
I still don't have things figured out.

00:37:06.210 --> 00:37:06.480
Right.

00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.680
And most people I know are, will
reinvent themselves a number of times

00:37:10.680 --> 00:37:12.210
throughout life, but Absolutely.

00:37:12.690 --> 00:37:16.230
But to be able to kind of identify
your core values and what's valuable

00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:20.430
to you, and add one person, say,
how heartless are you, you, you're,

00:37:20.640 --> 00:37:23.610
you're going to, you want to put
together essentially a business plan

00:37:23.640 --> 00:37:25.500
for your family and for your kids.

00:37:26.100 --> 00:37:28.920
And I look at 'em and say, well,
how heartless are you to not, not

00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.980
want to plan these things, to not
want to just leave it up to chance.

00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:33.480
What might happen might happen for them.

00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.080
And I, and I, I think there's a general.

00:37:38.250 --> 00:37:45.690
Uh, idea in society that having
plans and being prepared is, um,

00:37:45.750 --> 00:37:49.170
is very analytical and lacks heart.

00:37:49.470 --> 00:37:51.570
And I, I've never seen that.

00:37:51.570 --> 00:37:57.660
I, I think if you care for something
deeply, then you're gonna use that heart

00:37:57.720 --> 00:38:01.980
to put a plan in place so it's protected
and it's got the best possible ability

00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:03.930
to thrive and survive in the future.

00:38:04.410 --> 00:38:08.580
And, uh, I think, uh, the people that
I've explained that to have kind of

00:38:08.585 --> 00:38:11.880
come around to my way of thinking either
that or they're just playing nice to my

00:38:11.884 --> 00:38:15.330
face, but now I, I think you're spot on.

00:38:15.390 --> 00:38:18.780
Uh, and, um, if you don't.

00:38:19.765 --> 00:38:24.150
If you don't dictate, uh, the direction of
your life, life will just happen to you.

00:38:24.330 --> 00:38:27.780
And then you're just on your heels
reacting to it for the rest of your life.

00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:28.040
Mm-hmm.

00:38:28.200 --> 00:38:31.890
And so, yeah, I I think you're a
hundred percent correct and, uh,

00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:36.030
talking specifically to, to my, my
older daughter is like, yeah, what,

00:38:36.060 --> 00:38:37.530
what kind of woman do you wanna become?

00:38:37.740 --> 00:38:40.500
Like what, what kind of
person do you want to be?

00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.900
Um, because that's, that is important.

00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:48.240
Otherwise, otherwise, like your value
system just kind of, it just kind of

00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:50.340
happens because you're reacting to life.

00:38:50.370 --> 00:38:55.020
And, um, I'm gonna butcher this, but
I'll try to paraphrase it, but it, I,

00:38:55.020 --> 00:39:01.650
I heard a quote a while ago that, um,
ethics and, and morals are needed long

00:39:01.650 --> 00:39:03.960
before the moment of crisis shows up.

00:39:04.350 --> 00:39:07.620
Like you need to have kind of those
rules and guidelines kind of in place,

00:39:07.625 --> 00:39:09.480
that value system already in place.

00:39:10.020 --> 00:39:16.820
So when, when that morally questionable
situation arises, you already have a, a.

00:39:17.654 --> 00:39:19.995
A guide, uh, a guideline to follow.

00:39:20.055 --> 00:39:22.785
You're not trying to figure out, all
right, what kind of person am I gonna

00:39:22.785 --> 00:39:25.424
be in the moment of, of, of crisis?

00:39:25.544 --> 00:39:28.365
Um, and so, yeah, I, I
totally agree with you.

00:39:28.365 --> 00:39:32.924
I think dictating how your life
goes is, is, uh, significantly

00:39:32.930 --> 00:39:34.334
better than reacting to life.

00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:35.370
Yeah.

00:39:35.490 --> 00:39:39.540
And you know, I, I remember hearing a
couple of politicians, I forget where this

00:39:39.540 --> 00:39:44.460
is going back a number of years, and, um,
and the term situational ethics came up.

00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:45.300
Yeah.

00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:48.150
And another guy says, what's that?

00:39:48.210 --> 00:39:49.410
What situational ethics?

00:39:49.410 --> 00:39:51.570
It's like, well, you know, I
mean, well your ethics will change

00:39:51.570 --> 00:39:54.000
based on what the situation is
because there might be different.

00:39:54.410 --> 00:39:58.860
Like, no, you have your ethics and
you apply them to the situation and

00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:00.870
then it just makes everything so easy.

00:40:01.200 --> 00:40:01.380
Right?

00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:03.180
It's, it's so easy to make a decision.

00:40:03.240 --> 00:40:04.830
I know what my value system is.

00:40:04.830 --> 00:40:06.240
I know where my ethics lie.

00:40:06.600 --> 00:40:10.620
I know what's on the outside of my
boundaries, what's in the no-go zone.

00:40:10.625 --> 00:40:11.730
I know what's in the go zone.

00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:14.790
If the situation falls in the
go zone, we go, if it's in the

00:40:14.795 --> 00:40:16.530
no-go zone, problem solved.

00:40:16.890 --> 00:40:17.340
Exactly.

00:40:17.520 --> 00:40:17.880
Yeah.

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.530
No, I, I totally agree with that.

00:40:19.530 --> 00:40:20.130
Absolutely.

00:40:21.810 --> 00:40:24.000
Um, so.

00:40:25.485 --> 00:40:28.395
I'm looking at your bookshelf in
behind, and that was one of the

00:40:28.395 --> 00:40:32.535
things I was gonna ask you about too,
because you're a voracious reader.

00:40:33.255 --> 00:40:39.495
For, for my own edification, I would
love to know how you're working on

00:40:39.500 --> 00:40:41.745
the retaining part of what you read.

00:40:41.775 --> 00:40:44.115
Because for me, sometimes
some things just stick.

00:40:44.385 --> 00:40:48.285
Numbers tend to stick
names, usually not quotes.

00:40:48.615 --> 00:40:52.485
For some, for some reason, some quotes
will just bang stick in my head.

00:40:53.025 --> 00:40:53.115
Mm-hmm.

00:40:53.355 --> 00:40:58.095
Uh, but so often I find myself just
sitting there like trying to recall

00:40:58.095 --> 00:41:00.735
something, trying to get something
and I, I, and my God, I know there's

00:41:00.735 --> 00:41:04.605
something, uh, deep or impactful or
that I thought I should know it, but

00:41:04.605 --> 00:41:06.075
the, the recall just isn't great.

00:41:06.075 --> 00:41:07.245
What are you doing for that?

00:41:08.265 --> 00:41:13.425
Uh, so I, I still, I, I actually
consume a lot of books through Audible,

00:41:13.485 --> 00:41:16.935
um, cuz it's, it's easier for me,
like if I'm working around the house

00:41:16.935 --> 00:41:20.025
or on, on a drive or whatever, it's.

00:41:20.955 --> 00:41:22.245
I just consume a lot that way.

00:41:22.965 --> 00:41:28.665
Um, but in regards to the retention,
uh, instead of trying to totally

00:41:28.665 --> 00:41:33.585
absorb every paragraph, every chapter
of the whole book, I, I really am

00:41:33.585 --> 00:41:38.175
just looking for the one thing, uh,
whatever the one thing is in a book

00:41:38.265 --> 00:41:41.175
that will make the book worthwhile.

00:41:41.295 --> 00:41:45.045
Uh, whatever, you know, $15 I paid
for the book, what's the one piece

00:41:45.045 --> 00:41:49.125
of information I can glean from it
that will make it, uh, worth reading?

00:41:49.995 --> 00:41:51.585
And so that's what I try to focus on.

00:41:51.585 --> 00:41:55.485
And, and the books that I really
enjoy, I'll re-listen to or reread,

00:41:55.785 --> 00:41:58.515
um, because there's probably
more than just the one thing.

00:41:58.575 --> 00:42:00.975
There's probably a one thing
the second time I read it,

00:42:01.095 --> 00:42:02.445
uh, whatever that might be.

00:42:02.985 --> 00:42:08.805
Um, and so I, I focus less on, on trying
to, you know, take notes on, on every

00:42:08.810 --> 00:42:10.815
chapter, but rather like, all right.

00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:16.995
If, if I had to, if I had to pitch this
to somebody else, uh, and I do that a

00:42:16.995 --> 00:42:20.295
lot of that of like, Hey, hey buddy, you
should definitely check out this book.

00:42:20.715 --> 00:42:21.155
Uh mm-hmm.

00:42:21.235 --> 00:42:23.805
If I had to pitch it to somebody
else, what's the one thing I

00:42:23.805 --> 00:42:27.795
would say, uh, would, would,
was making the book worthwhile?

00:42:27.855 --> 00:42:29.415
Uh, and that's what I try to focus on.

00:42:30.875 --> 00:42:35.085
Which books particularly stand out
to you, which are ones that you've

00:42:35.085 --> 00:42:37.995
had to go through a couple of times
because there's some information

00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:39.235
that you've found valuable?

00:42:39.495 --> 00:42:39.825
Sure.

00:42:40.065 --> 00:42:46.725
Um, my absolute favorite book is
Atlas Shrugged by Iron Rand Anne Rand.

00:42:46.995 --> 00:42:47.235
Yeah.

00:42:47.235 --> 00:42:53.325
She, so she is my favorite philosopher,
uh, if it's hard to see, but I, I have

00:42:53.325 --> 00:42:55.335
a lot of her stuff, uh, on my shelf.

00:42:55.365 --> 00:43:00.405
Um, so I, I try to listen to Atlas
Shrugged at least once a year.

00:43:00.410 --> 00:43:01.875
It's like un audible.

00:43:01.875 --> 00:43:03.285
It's about 52 hours long.

00:43:04.065 --> 00:43:04.095
Mm.

00:43:04.125 --> 00:43:06.975
So, so I listened to it at like
one and a half times speed to

00:43:06.975 --> 00:43:10.275
shorten it, but, uh, but, uh, it's.

00:43:10.814 --> 00:43:11.805
It's my favorite book.

00:43:11.895 --> 00:43:15.854
Um, I think primarily, at
least this time I listen to it.

00:43:15.915 --> 00:43:19.395
It's, it's because it gives you
permission to be proud of the work you

00:43:19.395 --> 00:43:25.604
do, uh, and not, not try to invoke a, a
false sense of modesty or, uh, feel bad

00:43:25.604 --> 00:43:28.694
about being really good at something.

00:43:28.935 --> 00:43:35.055
Um, and ah, and taking pride in the fact
that, uh, you're good at something and

00:43:35.115 --> 00:43:37.185
it should be okay to say that out loud.

00:43:37.515 --> 00:43:42.464
Uh, and, and it's okay for, for you to
acknowledge your own achievement and

00:43:42.470 --> 00:43:45.225
your own ability and not try to hide it.

00:43:45.584 --> 00:43:51.314
Um, I think it's important for people to,
to take pride in their work and take pride

00:43:51.314 --> 00:43:54.584
in, in the kind of people that they are.

00:43:54.765 --> 00:43:59.354
Uh, I think work, uh, how you do
anything is how you do everything.

00:43:59.354 --> 00:44:03.884
And so work is really just a reflection
of your character on some, on some level.

00:44:03.884 --> 00:44:03.975
Mm-hmm.

00:44:04.305 --> 00:44:07.185
Um, uh, like the.

00:44:07.919 --> 00:44:10.319
The phrase it's good
enough for government work.

00:44:10.379 --> 00:44:16.620
I, I used to hate that phrase, so, because
I'm like, no, it's, I mean, yes, I, back

00:44:16.620 --> 00:44:19.890
when I was in the Army, yes, I worked for
the government, but that's Sure the work

00:44:19.890 --> 00:44:22.259
is a reflection of me, not the government.

00:44:22.379 --> 00:44:25.080
Uh, and so I, I used to hate
it when people say that.

00:44:25.200 --> 00:44:27.810
Um, so anyway, that's Atlas Shrugged.

00:44:27.810 --> 00:44:29.069
Is, is definitely up there.

00:44:29.189 --> 00:44:33.509
Um, I'm gonna take a quick
peek at my, my shelf here.

00:44:33.569 --> 00:44:36.629
Uh, 48 Laws of Power by Robert Green.

00:44:36.629 --> 00:44:37.649
That's phenomenal.

00:44:38.220 --> 00:44:46.200
Um, some other, uh, self-improvement
books would be like Atomic Habits, um,

00:44:46.200 --> 00:44:52.259
by James Clear, uh, unscripted by MJ
demarcos is an excellent finance book.

00:44:52.529 --> 00:44:54.330
Um, thinking Grow Rich is great.

00:44:54.359 --> 00:44:55.500
Uh, Napoleon Hill.

00:44:57.225 --> 00:44:59.984
So, yeah, I've, I've got a couple,
so if, if you are looking for

00:44:59.984 --> 00:45:02.685
book recommendations, I, I could
probably compile a list for you.

00:45:03.415 --> 00:45:03.975
Okay, sounds good.

00:45:03.975 --> 00:45:07.995
You know, I remember had, uh, Atlas
shrugged on, uh, the bookshelf as a

00:45:07.995 --> 00:45:11.145
kid growing up, and I picked it up a
number of times I was gonna read it

00:45:11.145 --> 00:45:13.935
and my father kept saying, ah, you
don't wanna read anything from her.

00:45:14.685 --> 00:45:18.555
And I, I have no, I have no idea
what was in there, but apparently he

00:45:18.555 --> 00:45:21.585
had some strong opinions on, on it,
and I don't even know why it was on

00:45:21.585 --> 00:45:22.815
our bookshelf, if that's the case.

00:45:24.674 --> 00:45:31.484
Uh, she, she has been pretty divisive,
uh, throughout, uh, her, her time

00:45:31.484 --> 00:45:33.225
as an, as an author and philosopher.

00:45:33.345 --> 00:45:36.975
Uh, and I, I'll probably catch some,
some heat just for calling her a

00:45:36.975 --> 00:45:38.685
philosopher, but, uh, but that's okay.

00:45:39.065 --> 00:45:46.335
Uh, well, you know, particularly I know
a lot of high achievers and particularly

00:45:47.024 --> 00:45:52.455
those who, uh, work on teams or work
together with the teams, uh, pride.

00:45:52.905 --> 00:45:57.555
That's one of the more difficult things,
and I've struggled with that myself.

00:45:57.555 --> 00:46:00.255
Someone will say, oh wow, look at
these great things you've done.

00:46:00.315 --> 00:46:03.975
And I'll deflect say, well, yeah,
but I've got, I've got a great team.

00:46:03.975 --> 00:46:04.845
I've got some great people.

00:46:04.845 --> 00:46:05.895
And it's all so true.

00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:12.405
And I truly believe that, um, for me,
just to say thank you and move on is

00:46:12.405 --> 00:46:14.025
something that I'm actually working on.

00:46:14.025 --> 00:46:14.355
Right.

00:46:14.595 --> 00:46:19.425
Not try and make an excuse,
not try and, um, downplay it.

00:46:19.425 --> 00:46:24.795
Or I always, I always personally feel
the need to recognize everyone else

00:46:24.795 --> 00:46:29.385
who assisted me in being where I am,
because I don't personally look at my

00:46:29.390 --> 00:46:32.115
achievements as anything super great.

00:46:32.265 --> 00:46:37.425
And I know others who are high
achievers that think the same way.

00:46:37.485 --> 00:46:40.335
And you're saying it's
important to be proud?

00:46:41.445 --> 00:46:42.465
I, I think so.

00:46:42.555 --> 00:46:43.905
Uh, and, and I'm the same way.

00:46:43.910 --> 00:46:47.985
And I, I still do that as like,
uh, I deflect and say no as,

00:46:48.075 --> 00:46:49.245
as definitely a team effort.

00:46:49.754 --> 00:46:50.805
Uh, whatever.

00:46:51.105 --> 00:46:54.044
Um, but, and it's true and, and a
hundred percent true, absolutely.

00:46:54.105 --> 00:47:02.475
But it, it is important to acknowledge
that your, um, your ability to produce

00:47:02.475 --> 00:47:04.904
excellence, uh, is, is a thing of value.

00:47:05.174 --> 00:47:08.595
Uh, and you should acknowledge that
and, and you should take pride in that.

00:47:08.654 --> 00:47:16.335
And, and I think, I think if that was
more ingrained in people, like being

00:47:16.335 --> 00:47:21.645
proud of, of actual excellence, being
proud of like actual achievement in one's

00:47:21.645 --> 00:47:27.705
life, uh, would, would probably make more
people pursue excellence and try to be

00:47:27.734 --> 00:47:29.535
excellent in, in the things that they do.

00:47:30.105 --> 00:47:35.504
Um, and, um, yeah, so I, I, yeah,
I think, I think being proud of the

00:47:35.504 --> 00:47:42.285
things that you, you do, uh, is a good
motivator, uh, for you to, to try to be

00:47:42.285 --> 00:47:43.615
excellent in the things that you pursue.

00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:49.340
I was always raised very much
to the contrary in that if you,

00:47:49.590 --> 00:47:52.440
if you're, if things are going
well, you better not advertise it.

00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.020
You better not be proud about it and,
uh, better downplay it and, right.

00:47:57.020 --> 00:47:59.400
It's just, just a, just a weird,
weird way of doing things.

00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:05.130
But it brings me back to your, uh,
what you're saying earlier about

00:48:05.700 --> 00:48:08.070
you haven't even summited the
mountain yet and you're thinking

00:48:08.070 --> 00:48:09.780
about where the next one is, right?

00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:10.100
Yeah.

00:48:10.100 --> 00:48:10.101
Yeah.

00:48:10.106 --> 00:48:14.160
You haven't had a chance to even celebrate
the achievement of what you've worked

00:48:14.165 --> 00:48:19.350
so hard for and you're looking for the
next journey or adventure or challenge.

00:48:19.570 --> 00:48:20.060
Yeah.

00:48:20.290 --> 00:48:26.220
Celebr and I, and I find that a lot
of people, myself included, will fall

00:48:26.220 --> 00:48:29.430
victim to that, and it's something
that I work really hard on, is to try

00:48:29.430 --> 00:48:34.470
and celebrate achievements when they
come up and say, we work damn hard.

00:48:34.830 --> 00:48:35.910
We got there.

00:48:36.600 --> 00:48:37.650
Here's what we learned.

00:48:37.680 --> 00:48:39.020
Now let's celebrate and.

00:48:40.200 --> 00:48:44.490
Recoup and maybe quick rest,
and then what's the next goal?

00:48:44.970 --> 00:48:45.180
Yeah.

00:48:45.180 --> 00:48:47.279
How important is that, do you feel?

00:48:47.279 --> 00:48:49.020
Is it celebrating the achievements?

00:48:49.319 --> 00:48:54.990
I, I think, I think it is important
and, and kind of being on that mountain,

00:48:55.259 --> 00:48:59.700
uh, and looking back, uh, it, it did
make me realize like being present,

00:49:00.240 --> 00:49:02.339
uh, is, is an important part of life.

00:49:02.399 --> 00:49:06.690
Uh, and whether that's, uh, to
celebrate achievement or to to deal

00:49:06.694 --> 00:49:11.460
with grief, um, being present in
the moment, um, is pretty vital.

00:49:11.910 --> 00:49:13.859
Um, so, so yeah.

00:49:13.890 --> 00:49:19.230
But I, I think, I think it's very
possible to couple that with, uh,

00:49:19.259 --> 00:49:21.870
looking for the next adventure.

00:49:22.140 --> 00:49:24.419
Um, uh, so

00:49:27.419 --> 00:49:30.810
I, I was a green bere in the
United States Army, which is, uh,

00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.609
something I'm incredibly proud of.

00:49:32.730 --> 00:49:35.430
Uh, I, it, it wasn't easy.

00:49:35.819 --> 00:49:41.730
Uh, and so, I, I acknowledge that, that
that was kind of, uh, a cool thing that

00:49:41.730 --> 00:49:46.640
I did in my life, but I, but I also don't
want that to be the where I peak, right?

00:49:46.640 --> 00:49:49.080
I want it to be just a chapter in my book.

00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:54.480
Um, so the same friend Travis,
uh, he and I have a, a game.

00:49:55.710 --> 00:49:58.169
It's like, all right, who can
be the most interesting man?

00:49:58.200 --> 00:50:01.410
And, and it's, it's kind of like,
I call it the Jimmy Fallon test.

00:50:01.410 --> 00:50:04.950
So if you ever go on the, on the
Jimmy Fallon show and you're sitting

00:50:04.950 --> 00:50:08.520
there talking with him, uh, what,
what are you gonna talk about?

00:50:08.520 --> 00:50:09.779
How are you gonna be interesting?

00:50:09.839 --> 00:50:11.520
Uh, how are you gonna
be an interesting guest?

00:50:11.580 --> 00:50:12.299
And I.

00:50:13.125 --> 00:50:17.475
Ideally, I want to get to the point
where, um, my military history,

00:50:17.805 --> 00:50:20.235
uh, is, is just part of my story.

00:50:20.235 --> 00:50:22.245
It's not like the whole story.

00:50:22.245 --> 00:50:23.085
Mm-hmm.

00:50:23.091 --> 00:50:26.745
Um, it's something that I'm incredibly
proud of again, but, uh, I want it to be

00:50:26.745 --> 00:50:30.975
like, oh yeah, I, I was in the Army, uh,
a couple years ago, so don't forget that.

00:50:32.385 --> 00:50:32.895
Yeah.

00:50:32.955 --> 00:50:34.965
This Travis guy sounds
like a pretty cool person.

00:50:35.055 --> 00:50:35.985
Great name.

00:50:35.990 --> 00:50:37.605
He's, he's right.

00:50:38.385 --> 00:50:41.475
He's, he's, and he hates when
I say this, but he is the

00:50:41.475 --> 00:50:42.945
smartest guy I know for sure.

00:50:43.065 --> 00:50:43.345
Yeah.

00:50:43.575 --> 00:50:44.445
Yeah, absolutely.

00:50:44.595 --> 00:50:46.605
So, uh, he's a good guy for sure.

00:50:47.265 --> 00:50:51.285
You know, maybe aside from a couple of
my friends, I'd say most of my friends

00:50:51.285 --> 00:50:53.265
are, are definitely smarter than myself.

00:50:53.265 --> 00:50:57.285
And I, I like, I like the fact that
I can hang around with people who

00:50:57.285 --> 00:51:01.065
bring so much more to the table or
who can bring, who are able to assist

00:51:01.070 --> 00:51:03.165
me in areas where I may be deficient.

00:51:03.660 --> 00:51:04.110
Yeah.

00:51:04.170 --> 00:51:04.680
Absolutely.

00:51:05.310 --> 00:51:09.900
And I guess speaking of that, what
areas in yourself cuz are, are you

00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:12.960
looking towards, what books are you
looking to read to try and fill some

00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.950
of the gaps of where you recognize
that you could use some extra work on?

00:51:17.279 --> 00:51:17.610
Sure.

00:51:17.819 --> 00:51:24.029
Uh, so this new adventure that I'm on is,
is being a business owner and, and kinda,

00:51:24.750 --> 00:51:28.799
uh, not, not working for the government.

00:51:29.290 --> 00:51:29.810
Mm-hmm.

00:51:29.890 --> 00:51:32.880
Uh, that has been an incredibly
interesting learning process.

00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.400
It's, it's definitely a, a new adventure.

00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.819
It's not jumping out of airplanes, but
it's definitely keeping me on my toes.

00:51:39.180 --> 00:51:43.410
And so in, in that regard,
there's so much that I don't know

00:51:43.410 --> 00:51:45.090
that I don't know, uh mm-hmm.

00:51:45.170 --> 00:51:48.750
And so ev every day something
comes up it's like, oh, I didn't

00:51:48.750 --> 00:51:49.740
even know that was a thing.

00:51:50.250 --> 00:51:52.140
I should probably, I should
probably look into that.

00:51:52.819 --> 00:51:53.410
So, yeah.

00:51:53.779 --> 00:51:57.420
Uh, and, and so that's, that's
kind of been exciting, uh, and.

00:51:57.810 --> 00:52:00.540
And some of, so to answer your
question, some of the things that

00:52:00.540 --> 00:52:04.500
I, I've had to work on is, uh,
I'm, I'm definitely an introvert.

00:52:04.560 --> 00:52:10.920
Uh, I could, I could sit in my house
alone all weekend and not speak to another

00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:14.220
person and be 100% fine the whole time.

00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:18.000
And, and I'm actually relatively
shy, uh, speaking in front of people.

00:52:18.270 --> 00:52:22.950
Uh, and so, uh, doing things like this
is, is great for me because it, it kind

00:52:22.950 --> 00:52:25.470
of pushes me, uh, out of my comfort zone.

00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:29.340
Um, and it's, and it's fun to
connect with people, but, uh, it's

00:52:29.850 --> 00:52:34.890
so learning how to articulate things
and, and speak in such a way that

00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:36.480
people understand what I'm saying.

00:52:36.485 --> 00:52:39.960
And, uh, and I'm not stuttering
the whole time, uh mm-hmm.

00:52:40.250 --> 00:52:46.500
Uh, and then also, um, being on phone
calls, uh, not just with clients,

00:52:46.505 --> 00:52:49.710
but with people that are interested
in potentially working with me.

00:52:49.830 --> 00:52:50.440
Mm-hmm.

00:52:50.525 --> 00:52:52.200
That's, that's exhausting to me.

00:52:52.290 --> 00:52:58.259
And so learning how to, um, And build
in time throughout the day that, uh, as

00:52:58.259 --> 00:53:02.700
I'm on the phone, uh, getting to know
strangers, essentially, uh, building

00:53:02.700 --> 00:53:06.750
in times that I, that I could run to
the gym, which is in my garage and, and

00:53:06.750 --> 00:53:10.200
bang out, you know, a set of bench press
or something to, to kind of mm-hmm.

00:53:10.970 --> 00:53:14.549
Um, uh, decompressor or
whatever the case is.

00:53:14.610 --> 00:53:18.600
Um, so this whole journey has been
a kind of a learning process and

00:53:18.600 --> 00:53:22.770
something that I'm, I'm trying
to, uh, improve on in all areas.

00:53:22.890 --> 00:53:27.840
So, you know, fellow past podcast
guest, Brad Brooks, he owns

00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.190
the company called Our Galley.

00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:35.460
Um, and I look at him and
like, he's sharp as a whip.

00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:40.319
He is athletic and he is, uh,
successful in his business and outgoing.

00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:41.910
And he says, same thing.

00:53:41.940 --> 00:53:45.330
He says, I'm an introvert,
right about himself, right?

00:53:45.330 --> 00:53:49.259
And, uh, I'm, I look at myself,
I'm, I'm thinking like, what

00:53:49.259 --> 00:53:50.490
am I an introvert extrovert?

00:53:50.490 --> 00:53:51.900
And he says, well, I'll tell you what, if.

00:53:52.590 --> 00:53:56.190
If you go into a group situation
and that gives you energy,

00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:58.890
you're probably an extrovert.

00:53:58.890 --> 00:54:01.650
If you go into a group situation
and you feel drained at the end of

00:54:01.650 --> 00:54:03.930
it, you're probably an introvert.

00:54:04.830 --> 00:54:08.490
And I'm like, okay, well under
that sort of a definition, I'm

00:54:08.490 --> 00:54:09.750
a hundred percent an introvert.

00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:14.340
You know, the funny thing he says,
I'm talking with other influencers,

00:54:14.340 --> 00:54:18.360
or create content creators and people
that are out there in the social media

00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.400
field or putting their face out there.

00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:25.050
And he says, by and large, all of them
are the same and they're all introverts.

00:54:25.050 --> 00:54:28.710
And and I find that really, really odd
that all of these different introverts

00:54:28.710 --> 00:54:32.730
will get out there and they'll put their
face and put their voice out there.

00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:35.820
And I'm wondering if they're
doing it for sort of the same

00:54:35.820 --> 00:54:37.530
reasons as you've articulated.

00:54:37.740 --> 00:54:37.830
Mm-hmm.

00:54:38.070 --> 00:54:40.050
Which are similar to
the reasons why I do it.

00:54:40.050 --> 00:54:42.240
I want to bring value to the audience.

00:54:42.240 --> 00:54:43.770
I wanna bring value to the guest.

00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:49.560
And it's a challenge for myself
to push myself into these new

00:54:49.560 --> 00:54:50.970
situations with new people.

00:54:51.525 --> 00:54:55.694
And what a great way to connect with
other positive, like-minded individuals.

00:54:55.694 --> 00:54:58.214
Like that's, that's the
whole, whole purpose here.

00:54:58.245 --> 00:55:00.855
And I've, I've also noticed
that the guests of the podcasts

00:55:01.305 --> 00:55:03.615
have, uh, begun networking.

00:55:03.615 --> 00:55:07.305
There's the people that have been on
past podcasts that are, uh, bringing

00:55:07.305 --> 00:55:11.085
each other up and embarking on
endeavors that are helping others,

00:55:11.295 --> 00:55:14.595
as are the audience of people who
really get involved in the audience.

00:55:14.595 --> 00:55:19.575
All of a sudden they're interacting with
past guests and past, uh, listeners, and

00:55:19.580 --> 00:55:25.485
I'm really enjoying the positivity and
the process of watching all of the, the

00:55:25.485 --> 00:55:27.665
growth that that's happening with this.

00:55:27.665 --> 00:55:28.105
Mm-hmm.

00:55:28.190 --> 00:55:32.595
It sounds like your, your
journey that you're taking is

00:55:32.595 --> 00:55:34.095
bringing you the same enjoyment.

00:55:34.485 --> 00:55:37.694
Uh, it, it is And, and I'm,
I'm, yeah, very similar.

00:55:37.700 --> 00:55:39.225
I, I enjoy, I mean, there.

00:55:40.095 --> 00:55:43.575
There's plenty of negativity in the world
and I don't want to contribute to that.

00:55:44.060 --> 00:55:48.915
So, so if I can, if I can bring a little
positivity and, and connect with people

00:55:48.915 --> 00:55:54.525
and then connect people together, uh,
in such a way that, uh, we're making

00:55:55.695 --> 00:55:58.575
as cliche as I said, we're making the
world a little bit better, uh, a little

00:55:58.575 --> 00:56:02.205
bit, a little bit more positive than
I, I'm totally down with that for sure.

00:56:03.525 --> 00:56:07.185
Well, you've got a Facebook group as well,
and that's something I've noticed cuz

00:56:07.325 --> 00:56:08.655
I, I joined your Facebook group mm-hmm.

00:56:08.655 --> 00:56:14.445
And I'm just kind of, I don't really do
the social media thing very well, so I,

00:56:14.450 --> 00:56:19.335
I see things as they pop up, but not only
are you providing people opportunities

00:56:19.335 --> 00:56:23.775
for growth, but I see the people within
the group are able to now network

00:56:23.775 --> 00:56:25.755
with other like-minded people Yeah.

00:56:25.815 --> 00:56:28.335
Who have similar goals and aspirations.

00:56:28.485 --> 00:56:28.575
Mm-hmm.

00:56:28.765 --> 00:56:32.145
What a cool thing that must be to
watch a and that was the whole point

00:56:32.145 --> 00:56:40.215
of the group is, um, So my, my whole
philosophy is, is three phased, so

00:56:40.215 --> 00:56:44.445
the, the phoenix, the serpent and the
tribe, uh, the Phoenix is in reference

00:56:44.445 --> 00:56:47.055
to a, a parachute malfunction story.

00:56:47.115 --> 00:56:52.425
Uh, that, uh, I posted a video on
a while ago, but let's hear it.

00:56:53.095 --> 00:56:55.575
I saw, I saw it, but the
audience will want to hear it.

00:56:56.205 --> 00:56:56.625
Fair enough.

00:56:56.865 --> 00:56:57.525
Uh, no.

00:56:57.525 --> 00:56:58.065
Full in there.

00:56:58.065 --> 00:57:02.715
I was, uh, so I was on a, uh,
after I, I left Germany, uh,

00:57:02.715 --> 00:57:03.555
I was there for three years.

00:57:03.655 --> 00:57:09.705
I, I went to a military free fall team
in, in, uh, in Fort Carson, Colorado.

00:57:09.765 --> 00:57:12.375
And, and the best group of
guys I've ever worked with.

00:57:13.005 --> 00:57:16.395
Uh, but their whole job is to jump out
of airplanes from high altitude with

00:57:16.395 --> 00:57:20.925
oxygen, mass and all their equipment,
um, deploy their parachutes and then land

00:57:20.925 --> 00:57:23.385
together as a team at a specific spot.

00:57:24.165 --> 00:57:26.745
Uh, and I was a little
rusty with, with free fall.

00:57:26.955 --> 00:57:31.620
I hadn't done it in a while, but, My
first event with the team was, uh, to

00:57:31.620 --> 00:57:34.799
go down to Arizona for Requalification
to make sure everybody was spun

00:57:34.799 --> 00:57:36.149
up and, and doing the right thing.

00:57:36.270 --> 00:57:39.299
And I was with a bunch of senior
guys that they really knew how

00:57:39.299 --> 00:57:41.190
to, they, they were sky gods.

00:57:41.359 --> 00:57:43.020
They, they knew how to
fly in the, in the sky.

00:57:43.500 --> 00:57:43.799
Hmm.

00:57:43.859 --> 00:57:49.919
Um, so, uh, Monday is the, the first
jump, uh, it's Hollywood style, which

00:57:49.919 --> 00:57:53.129
is really just you and a parachute
and, and you jump out of the airplane.

00:57:53.220 --> 00:57:56.790
And I was middle of the stack because,
uh, I was kind of the new guy on the.

00:57:58.155 --> 00:58:01.065
I exit the aircraft, turn on
heading, check my altitude,

00:58:01.455 --> 00:58:03.345
pull my rip cord, no issues.

00:58:03.345 --> 00:58:04.485
It's just like riding a bike.

00:58:05.205 --> 00:58:06.225
Uh, and so I was pretty stoked.

00:58:06.225 --> 00:58:09.105
And so as the week progressed,
uh, you just started adding

00:58:09.105 --> 00:58:10.335
more equipment to yourself.

00:58:10.815 --> 00:58:14.355
Uh, and then by the end of the week on
Friday, you're doing wall locker jumps,

00:58:14.355 --> 00:58:15.705
which is everything that's in your wall.

00:58:15.705 --> 00:58:16.875
Lockers now strapped to you.

00:58:18.035 --> 00:58:22.575
So, so it's, you know, a r between your
legs, rifle across your, your waist,

00:58:22.785 --> 00:58:26.805
you got your oxygen tank, your your
mask, uh, your parachute, obviously.

00:58:27.255 --> 00:58:31.635
Um, and so that's how we were, we
were loaded up, uh, in the aircraft.

00:58:32.415 --> 00:58:37.225
And, um, A again, I, I hadn't had
any issues throughout the week.

00:58:37.314 --> 00:58:38.395
Uh, felt really good.

00:58:38.455 --> 00:58:43.794
Um, I was in middle of the stack again
and, uh, I, I get to the edge of the ramp,

00:58:43.854 --> 00:58:49.044
uh, I exit the aircraft, turn on heading,
check my altimeter, pull, rip cord.

00:58:49.404 --> 00:58:50.455
Everything goes fine.

00:58:50.455 --> 00:58:52.375
I look up and I've got line twists.

00:58:52.495 --> 00:58:57.895
And all that means is like the, the lines
from my harness to the chute are twisted.

00:58:58.015 --> 00:58:58.625
Mm-hmm.

00:58:58.705 --> 00:58:59.455
Isn't a huge deal.

00:58:59.455 --> 00:59:01.854
It's kind of a, a normal malfunction.

00:59:01.944 --> 00:59:05.265
And all you do is you, you grab
those risers and you pull 'em

00:59:05.270 --> 00:59:08.694
apart and kind of bicycle kick your
legs and you eventually unwind.

00:59:09.504 --> 00:59:14.544
Um, uh, our parachutes are
designed in such a way that as you

00:59:14.604 --> 00:59:16.555
fall, it creates forward drive.

00:59:16.555 --> 00:59:19.225
They're designed more like a
wing than just like a, a circle.

00:59:19.555 --> 00:59:19.904
Mm.

00:59:20.185 --> 00:59:26.515
So as I was untwisting, my wi my
lines, uh, the parachute kinda

00:59:26.604 --> 00:59:28.765
pendulum swung me out sideways.

00:59:28.765 --> 00:59:30.444
So I was almost horizontal to.

00:59:31.005 --> 00:59:32.115
In relation to the Earth.

00:59:32.115 --> 00:59:32.865
Mm-hmm.

00:59:33.040 --> 00:59:38.325
Uh, and now I was creating forward
drive down towards, towards the ground.

00:59:38.835 --> 00:59:42.585
Uh, and so I'm still twisted, so I
don't have any control over my, my brake

00:59:42.585 --> 00:59:44.505
lines, so I can't control the canopy.

00:59:45.105 --> 00:59:50.205
Uh, and now I'm starting to spiral hor in,
re horizontal in relation to the earth.

00:59:50.685 --> 00:59:52.725
Uh, and I'm just like whipping around.

00:59:52.875 --> 00:59:56.865
Uh, my, my team sergeant
at the time counted.

00:59:56.870 --> 00:59:59.655
He said, I, I, I spun
around like nine times.

01:00:00.105 --> 01:00:02.115
Um, and so by the end, like.

01:00:02.700 --> 01:00:06.330
The Gs I was pulling, like my, my,
my vision was really starting to

01:00:06.330 --> 01:00:08.820
close in and I was, I was in trouble.

01:00:09.180 --> 01:00:13.860
Uh, a more senior guy would've
after like the second spin, would've

01:00:13.860 --> 01:00:16.590
just cut his main parachute away
and, and deployed his reserve.

01:00:16.950 --> 01:00:19.260
Um, uh, and I should have done that.

01:00:19.350 --> 01:00:22.110
Uh, and there's probably a,
a sermon in there somewhere.

01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:28.050
So, but, uh, but uh, I rode that
wave out and finally, uh, my lines

01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.710
untwisted and I grabbed my brake
lines and yanked them, and I leveled

01:00:31.710 --> 01:00:35.010
out, uh, and whi, which was great.

01:00:35.010 --> 01:00:37.140
Now I'm flying a canopy,
but I was super dizzy.

01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:39.990
Like, I, like I was looking
all over and the world was

01:00:39.990 --> 01:00:41.580
still spinning in, in my eyes.

01:00:42.180 --> 01:00:46.200
Um, and so everybody's calling over
the radio like, Chris, turn around.

01:00:46.200 --> 01:00:46.890
Go the other way.

01:00:46.890 --> 01:00:48.510
No, your other left turn, turn around.

01:00:48.870 --> 01:00:51.810
And it was just a bunch of radio chatter
looked down at your G p s and I was

01:00:51.815 --> 01:00:53.580
looking at my, my equipment on my chest.

01:00:54.120 --> 01:00:56.370
And it's just spinning
cuz I'm still so dizzy.

01:00:56.910 --> 01:01:01.710
Uh, and then finally, finally, there's
a, a break, uh, in the radio chatter.

01:01:01.890 --> 01:01:04.440
And Matt sup, super
senior guy on the team.

01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:05.280
He's a good friend of mine.

01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.340
He's like, Chris, turn towards the sun.

01:01:09.090 --> 01:01:10.800
Uh, and I look over my left shoulder.

01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:12.600
I bank a hard left turn.

01:01:12.660 --> 01:01:16.740
And, um, about that time my
buddy Andy kind of swos in, in

01:01:16.740 --> 01:01:18.150
front of me so I can follow him.

01:01:18.150 --> 01:01:20.520
And so then I'm back on course
and I land with the team.

01:01:21.690 --> 01:01:26.370
Um, so, so the Moralist story is have that
thing in the distance that you can kind

01:01:26.375 --> 01:01:28.200
of aim towards to get you back on track.

01:01:28.230 --> 01:01:31.260
But, but why is that called the
Phoenix phase in my coaching program.

01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:38.400
So, uh, later on when Matt and I went and
got beers, he was like, Hey man, uh, so.

01:01:39.180 --> 01:01:42.990
Your, your parachute has a device in it
that if you're falling at, at terminal

01:01:42.990 --> 01:01:46.560
velocity and you're unconscious,
it'll fire, it's called a cypress.

01:01:46.620 --> 01:01:50.490
It'll fire and deploy your reserve
automatically so you don't have to pull

01:01:50.490 --> 01:01:55.230
your rib cord, but you have to be falling
at a certain rate for it to, to deploy.

01:01:55.410 --> 01:01:55.960
Um, mm-hmm.

01:01:56.045 --> 01:01:59.520
But due to the configuration in which
I was spinning, I wasn't falling

01:01:59.520 --> 01:02:01.170
fast enough for that to have worked.

01:02:01.410 --> 01:02:04.410
And so I would've burned into
the ground like a Phoenix.

01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:05.640
That's what he referred to it as.

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.640
So that's, wow, that's the Phoenix face.

01:02:08.700 --> 01:02:11.880
Uh, and, and again, the whole
point of that, that story when

01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.100
I tell clients and stuff is, is.

01:02:15.505 --> 01:02:20.130
When, when chaos is amidst your daily
life, when you can't tell which way

01:02:20.130 --> 01:02:24.840
is up or, or where anybody is, have
something in the distance that's big and,

01:02:25.140 --> 01:02:29.700
and able to aim at, and then, then you
can at least maintain a good azimuth,

01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:31.650
uh, and the direction of your life.

01:02:32.550 --> 01:02:34.890
So, so that's longwinded winded.

01:02:34.890 --> 01:02:38.340
Uh, I love that for, for
Phoenix, but that's phase one.

01:02:38.370 --> 01:02:42.750
So phase two is the serpent and
it's, it's in reference to the

01:02:42.750 --> 01:02:47.070
aura Boris, which is the, the snake
that's eating its own tail snake eat.

01:02:47.640 --> 01:02:48.060
Yeah.

01:02:48.065 --> 01:02:54.930
So, so my, I heard a good
explanation on, on, uh, on that

01:02:54.930 --> 01:02:56.610
symbol, the, the war Boris.

01:02:56.610 --> 01:03:01.980
And, and that is as the snake devours
itself, it destroys the parts of

01:03:01.980 --> 01:03:04.920
itself that are no longer necessary
and the parts of itself that are no

01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:09.060
longer serving itself, uh, in order
to provide nourishment to grow.

01:03:09.495 --> 01:03:13.635
So that's like phase two of, of my
coaching program is like, let's eliminate

01:03:13.635 --> 01:03:17.445
the things that aren't serving us
in order to give us the strength to

01:03:17.450 --> 01:03:19.305
continue to grow on, on our journey.

01:03:20.415 --> 01:03:24.495
And then, uh, the last phase is the
tribe, um, surrounding yourself with

01:03:24.495 --> 01:03:29.475
people that are on the same journey as
you, uh, in order to progress forward

01:03:29.475 --> 01:03:34.425
and to ensure that they will call you
out if you are not measuring up to the

01:03:34.425 --> 01:03:36.465
standard which you set for yourself.

01:03:37.035 --> 01:03:40.725
Uh, and again, this is a long-winded
answer to say that's what, that's what

01:03:40.725 --> 01:03:45.735
the, the intent behind the Facebook
group is, is, is it's a built in tribe.

01:03:45.975 --> 01:03:51.045
So when, when you are able to, or when
you want to share kind of some of the,

01:03:51.945 --> 01:03:55.365
the goals that you have for yourself,
you have a community around you that are

01:03:55.365 --> 01:03:59.055
supporting you and, and then also calling
you out if you're not measuring up.

01:04:00.855 --> 01:04:03.825
You know, everyone's gonna be on a
different point in their journey, I should

01:04:03.825 --> 01:04:06.315
imagine, once they come in to the tribe.

01:04:06.404 --> 01:04:06.495
Sure.

01:04:06.495 --> 01:04:08.415
Some people have been in
the tribe for a long time.

01:04:08.415 --> 01:04:13.004
Some are brand new, and their value
system might be different in what

01:04:13.004 --> 01:04:15.915
they've, as is typically common.

01:04:15.915 --> 01:04:19.154
As you further along on a journey,
you're able to recognize things

01:04:19.245 --> 01:04:20.294
from a different perspective.

01:04:20.895 --> 01:04:21.194
Sure.

01:04:21.495 --> 01:04:27.855
Um, do you find that there's, uh,
heavy moderation that's required?

01:04:27.855 --> 01:04:34.274
Or is your, are these I I haven't had any
moderation issues in the group so far.

01:04:34.365 --> 01:04:37.274
Uh, everybody has been really supportive.

01:04:37.395 --> 01:04:42.495
Um, when I try to do like a, uh,
have everybody post their, their

01:04:42.495 --> 01:04:44.535
wins and challenges on Mondays.

01:04:44.625 --> 01:04:44.714
Mm-hmm.

01:04:44.955 --> 01:04:48.524
Uh, Monday's a, a good way to, to
start the week off with like, all

01:04:48.529 --> 01:04:49.875
right, let's, let's get motivated.

01:04:50.625 --> 01:04:56.745
Um, And the responses in there
is overwhelmingly positive, uh,

01:04:56.775 --> 01:04:59.055
from people that don't even know
each other, just like mm-hmm.

01:04:59.295 --> 01:05:01.725
When they're, when they're
experiencing challenges, uh, there

01:05:01.725 --> 01:05:03.975
is support there from, from others.

01:05:04.365 --> 01:05:08.355
Uh, which, which is, which is the
intent behind the whole group is,

01:05:08.895 --> 01:05:13.215
um, again, support, but also keep
each other accountable to the

01:05:13.515 --> 01:05:14.895
commitments you've made to yourself.

01:05:16.215 --> 01:05:20.775
There was a study done, I think it was the
largest of its kind, was it in Ireland?

01:05:21.045 --> 01:05:24.225
I'm trying to, for, I'm trying to
remember where this was done, but ma

01:05:24.255 --> 01:05:29.355
massive, massive data set that they
accumulated information from trying

01:05:29.355 --> 01:05:34.125
to identify sort of the, the people
who identify as happy, the happiest

01:05:34.125 --> 01:05:39.315
people in life, and what are the things
that, that they have or that they're

01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:41.145
doing that brings happiness to them.

01:05:41.145 --> 01:05:46.125
And the number one indicator at the
end of this study apparently was,

01:05:46.830 --> 01:05:51.270
Strong social connections, whether
that be family, whether that be

01:05:51.270 --> 01:05:55.230
friends, having a strong social group.

01:05:55.890 --> 01:06:02.820
And in this day and age of social media,
which a lot of times really isn't social,

01:06:02.850 --> 01:06:05.190
it's sort of a comparative matrix.

01:06:05.430 --> 01:06:05.730
Exactly.

01:06:05.735 --> 01:06:07.590
The comparison is the thief of joy.

01:06:07.680 --> 01:06:08.840
Right, right.

01:06:09.090 --> 01:06:14.560
Um, having that strong social network
is one of the things that they identify

01:06:14.565 --> 01:06:17.340
that if people can come back home
at the end of the day and have a

01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:21.720
family that they can, uh, meet with
on the regular every week, or have

01:06:21.720 --> 01:06:25.529
the friends that they meet and have
that, that regularity and consistency,

01:06:25.560 --> 01:06:27.690
they're gonna identify as as happy.

01:06:28.080 --> 01:06:28.170
Mm-hmm.

01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:36.210
But the one thing that kind of hits me
is most people are gonna be friends with

01:06:36.210 --> 01:06:41.610
individuals that they've known for a
long time, and they may grow and progress

01:06:41.610 --> 01:06:45.120
in life, just like the people in your
group might be further down that path.

01:06:46.170 --> 01:06:50.490
And other people might not, and there
is a difficult decision that might,

01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:55.410
might need to be made at times of who
do we want to continue to allow to be

01:06:55.410 --> 01:07:01.290
in our social circle If all they're
bringing is negativity and problems all

01:07:01.290 --> 01:07:06.150
the time and they're not doing anything
to help themselves, the group or us.

01:07:06.240 --> 01:07:08.460
Is that something that you've
had to encounter or deal

01:07:08.460 --> 01:07:09.510
with in some of your clients?

01:07:10.410 --> 01:07:12.180
Uh, yes.

01:07:12.180 --> 01:07:14.580
In some of my clients,
but also with myself.

01:07:14.670 --> 01:07:20.760
Um, I like really, really good friends
that have been friends for years.

01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:26.430
I've had to, uh, not cut them out of
my life, but be okay with spending

01:07:26.430 --> 01:07:27.990
less time and energy with them.

01:07:28.530 --> 01:07:30.300
Uh, for, for the reasons you just stated.

01:07:30.450 --> 01:07:35.190
Uh, they, they've got a problem
for every solution and, uh, are not

01:07:35.190 --> 01:07:42.660
interested in setting themselves up
for success, but would rather, uh, But

01:07:42.660 --> 01:07:46.919
would rather just take the time to, to
blame anything and everything other than

01:07:46.919 --> 01:07:48.689
themselves for their current situation.

01:07:49.109 --> 01:07:51.330
And it doesn't mean I don't love them.

01:07:51.330 --> 01:07:52.020
Mm-hmm.

01:07:52.165 --> 01:07:53.549
It doesn't mean I don't care about them.

01:07:53.549 --> 01:07:56.609
It doesn't mean I'm, I don't root
for them when they are successful,

01:07:56.640 --> 01:08:03.060
but it's, I, I'm on a, I am on a
path, uh, towards the betterment of,

01:08:03.089 --> 01:08:04.839
of myself and the people around me.

01:08:05.220 --> 01:08:09.240
And if, if you don't wanna
participate, uh, on that journey

01:08:09.750 --> 01:08:13.080
in a, in a constructive way, then,
uh, I, I'm gonna have to leave you

01:08:13.080 --> 01:08:14.910
where you are and continue journey.

01:08:15.299 --> 01:08:15.540
Mm-hmm.

01:08:16.170 --> 01:08:19.319
Which, which is, it's not easy.

01:08:19.649 --> 01:08:23.250
It's not easy, uh, particularly
kind of coming from where I came

01:08:23.250 --> 01:08:26.819
from, which is like, you know, never
leave a fallen comrade, you know?

01:08:27.269 --> 01:08:33.809
Um, but, but it's almost like
triage, uh, you know, there's,

01:08:34.019 --> 01:08:38.835
there's people with injuries that
are easily, um, Easily dealt with.

01:08:38.895 --> 01:08:42.585
There's people with injuries that are
gonna require some major surgery, um,

01:08:42.615 --> 01:08:44.685
but they're, they are able to be saved.

01:08:44.985 --> 01:08:46.995
And then there's people that
are, regardless of what you're

01:08:46.995 --> 01:08:48.105
gonna do, who are gonna die.

01:08:48.315 --> 01:08:49.195
I mean, that's, mm-hmm.

01:08:49.195 --> 01:08:50.535
That's the triage process.

01:08:50.865 --> 01:08:51.495
Um.

01:08:51.500 --> 01:08:51.555
Mm-hmm.

01:08:52.335 --> 01:08:58.455
And, uh, if, and I'm not, I'm not saying
that there isn't still hope, uh, for them

01:08:58.455 --> 01:09:02.505
to, to move forward or the people that
are in your life that are, uh, struggling.

01:09:02.505 --> 01:09:06.135
I'm not saying that, but like, sometimes
you have to do a little bit of a triage

01:09:06.135 --> 01:09:12.795
and, and, you know, um, how much energy
and time are, are you willing to devote

01:09:12.795 --> 01:09:18.849
towards, uh, somebody that, um, Isn't
interested in healing themselves either.

01:09:19.109 --> 01:09:19.740
You know what I mean?

01:09:20.639 --> 01:09:22.170
That that's a big thing for me.

01:09:22.259 --> 01:09:26.040
And, you know, the best predictor of
future performance is past performance.

01:09:26.040 --> 01:09:30.420
And if that pass, they might say all
the right things, but do all the wrong

01:09:30.424 --> 01:09:33.000
things consistently over and over again.

01:09:33.569 --> 01:09:33.750
Right.

01:09:33.750 --> 01:09:38.069
And there's, there's, there's only so
long that you can play the fool and

01:09:38.069 --> 01:09:39.509
be like, okay, I'm gonna keep helping.

01:09:39.509 --> 01:09:42.990
Okay, I'll bail you out
until finally you have to.

01:09:43.290 --> 01:09:44.910
Like I say, I, you know, same as you.

01:09:44.910 --> 01:09:46.529
There's people in my life love 'em.

01:09:47.130 --> 01:09:48.809
I've known 'em for a long time.

01:09:48.870 --> 01:09:53.849
But you have to make a decision as
to where your time is best spent.

01:09:54.210 --> 01:09:54.690
Exactly.

01:09:55.110 --> 01:09:58.530
And if that's gonna be bringing you
down and your, those around you down

01:09:58.530 --> 01:10:02.730
and creating a, an environment, I
mean, if you look into the abyss

01:10:02.730 --> 01:10:04.290
long enough, it'll look back at you.

01:10:04.295 --> 01:10:05.040
That ain't saying.

01:10:05.045 --> 01:10:05.460
Right.

01:10:05.549 --> 01:10:09.570
And uh, um, now I, I've heard.

01:10:10.005 --> 01:10:13.845
And, and it's true if you, the more you
look into it, the more it becomes you.

01:10:13.965 --> 01:10:15.855
Some of your friends'll
show you who you are.

01:10:16.395 --> 01:10:19.575
Mind you, uh, I think Jordan Peterson
says, you just haven't looked into

01:10:19.575 --> 01:10:23.325
the abyss long enough because you
will, you'll eventually see light.

01:10:23.655 --> 01:10:27.915
And I, I guess what he's trying to say
on that is, and I'm totally speculating,

01:10:28.515 --> 01:10:33.615
I guess he's trying to say that once you
look into something long enough, maybe

01:10:33.615 --> 01:10:36.975
it's kind of like saying a word over and
over again where it loses all meaning.

01:10:36.975 --> 01:10:40.065
If you're looking into something now,
you can compartmentalize it, remove

01:10:40.065 --> 01:10:43.485
the emotion from it, and perhaps
look at it from all edges and kind

01:10:43.490 --> 01:10:44.835
of see where it's gotta move to.

01:10:45.075 --> 01:10:46.395
But um, sure.

01:10:46.485 --> 01:10:46.665
Yeah.

01:10:47.235 --> 01:10:48.645
Bit, bit of a tangent, but Yeah.

01:10:48.705 --> 01:10:51.255
Likewise, difficult thing have
had to deal with, and I just

01:10:51.255 --> 01:10:53.355
was curious on your perspective.

01:10:53.805 --> 01:10:56.835
Yeah, it's, it's, it hasn't been easy.

01:10:56.985 --> 01:10:59.865
Uh, but, but kind of to your
point, uh, a second ago, like,

01:11:00.285 --> 01:11:06.210
uh, one of my more favorite quotes
is, uh, I, I never trust words.

01:11:06.450 --> 01:11:09.750
I even question actions,
but patterns never lie.

01:11:10.230 --> 01:11:11.580
Um, Ooh, I like that.

01:11:11.910 --> 01:11:13.429
Yeah, no, I like that.

01:11:14.429 --> 01:11:19.590
So, yeah, uh, looking at patterns is, is
particularly patterns of life, uh, is kind

01:11:19.594 --> 01:11:22.030
of a good indicator of direction of life.

01:11:22.830 --> 01:11:27.269
I never trust words, I'll
even question actions.

01:11:27.275 --> 01:11:27.750
Yeah.

01:11:27.755 --> 01:11:28.769
But patterns never lie.

01:11:29.070 --> 01:11:29.309
Yeah.

01:11:30.450 --> 01:11:31.110
I like that one.

01:11:31.110 --> 01:11:31.920
I'm gonna steal that one.

01:11:31.980 --> 01:11:32.670
I'm gonna borrow it.

01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:33.450
Please do.

01:11:33.450 --> 01:11:34.530
I stole it from somebody else.

01:11:34.530 --> 01:11:42.780
So, um, so, you know, there's so many
other things I'm, I'm looking at here,

01:11:42.780 --> 01:11:48.030
but, uh, you know, you are quoted as
saying small steps consistently are more

01:11:48.030 --> 01:11:50.250
important than big strides, sporadic.

01:11:51.510 --> 01:11:54.510
And that was one of the
things that I look at.

01:11:54.510 --> 01:11:55.830
I love that quote.

01:11:55.830 --> 01:11:57.870
Is that your quote or is that,
did you steal that one too?

01:11:58.320 --> 01:12:03.000
I probably still, I, I try to, I
try to glean as much smart stuff

01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:07.020
from other people as I possibly
can, but, uh, uh, it is something

01:12:07.080 --> 01:12:09.090
I, I, I do believe in for sure.

01:12:09.150 --> 01:12:15.900
Um, uh, it, like, it's like going to the
gym, uh, maxing out your first day in the

01:12:15.900 --> 01:12:20.550
gym and not ever returning for, for like
three months and then maxing out again.

01:12:21.120 --> 01:12:25.650
Versus, uh, putting a little bit
of weight on the bar and lifting

01:12:25.655 --> 01:12:27.720
it with good form every day.

01:12:28.020 --> 01:12:31.110
Uh, for three months, I is gonna
give you two different results.

01:12:31.230 --> 01:12:31.830
Um hmm.

01:12:31.830 --> 01:12:35.280
And, and that's, and that I
think is applicable in just

01:12:35.280 --> 01:12:36.750
about any endeavor in life.

01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:42.060
Um, I thi, uh, I just saw a TikTok,
uh, I think it was Jesse Itzler.

01:12:42.390 --> 01:12:50.429
Um, he was like, if you spend a hundred
hours a year, Um, in any, in any endeavor,

01:12:50.700 --> 01:12:53.639
um, which is only like 18 minutes a day.

01:12:53.950 --> 01:12:54.299
Mm.

01:12:54.304 --> 01:13:00.870
Uh, then than you are in the top like
5% of, of anybody that's in that, that

01:13:00.875 --> 01:13:05.040
particular field, whether it's golf or
writing or an instrument or anything.

01:13:05.549 --> 01:13:06.740
Um, wow.

01:13:06.990 --> 01:13:11.670
And, and something else I try to
tell people is like, look, you are

01:13:11.670 --> 01:13:16.139
the, the master of your schedule
and um, an hour in the gym or an

01:13:16.139 --> 01:13:18.990
hour reading is only 4% of your day.

01:13:19.440 --> 01:13:24.750
If you can't devote 4%, uh, to better
yourself in some way, then uh, you

01:13:24.750 --> 01:13:27.315
have, I think, Time priority issues.

01:13:28.215 --> 01:13:28.815
Yeah.

01:13:29.205 --> 01:13:34.215
Well, well you've ever watched that
movie The Edge with um, Anthony Hopkins.

01:13:34.335 --> 01:13:35.815
Anthony Hopkins, yeah.

01:13:35.820 --> 01:13:35.895
Yeah.

01:13:35.895 --> 01:13:36.584
Anthony Hopkins.

01:13:36.975 --> 01:13:37.365
Alec Baldwin.

01:13:37.370 --> 01:13:38.235
Yeah, that's right.

01:13:38.295 --> 01:13:38.775
Yeah.

01:13:38.780 --> 01:13:41.205
And then you keep saying, well, one
man can do another Can do, right.

01:13:41.205 --> 01:13:41.295
Ex.

01:13:41.295 --> 01:13:41.925
Exactly.

01:13:41.930 --> 01:13:42.435
Exactly.

01:13:42.435 --> 01:13:42.765
Yeah.

01:13:42.785 --> 01:13:45.285
In, in theory, that's correct.

01:13:45.290 --> 01:13:48.255
What one man can do, what one person
can do, another person can do it.

01:13:48.255 --> 01:13:50.925
That's a hundred percent in, in theory.

01:13:50.925 --> 01:13:54.795
I mean, barring any physical
or, or, or mental barriers,

01:13:54.795 --> 01:13:55.905
that might be a challenge.

01:13:55.905 --> 01:13:58.335
But you can, there's gonna be
a way, there's gonna be a way

01:13:58.335 --> 01:13:59.325
that you can figure that out.

01:13:59.445 --> 01:13:59.625
Yep.

01:14:00.285 --> 01:14:04.035
But clearly there are some
that don't believe in that.

01:14:04.155 --> 01:14:05.865
Otherwise everyone would be doing it.

01:14:05.865 --> 01:14:06.195
Right.

01:14:06.195 --> 01:14:08.955
And this is why they would come
to somebody like yourself because

01:14:08.955 --> 01:14:11.115
they realize they have potential.

01:14:11.475 --> 01:14:11.565
Mm-hmm.

01:14:11.805 --> 01:14:14.445
But they don't see the
forest through the trees.

01:14:14.450 --> 01:14:15.525
They don't see the next step.

01:14:15.585 --> 01:14:19.095
You don't see that big guiding light
that they can, uh, they can start working

01:14:19.100 --> 01:14:20.325
towards and making their way there.

01:14:21.075 --> 01:14:21.375
Right.

01:14:22.035 --> 01:14:27.045
If, have you ever had to deal with,
and I realize the coaching career is,

01:14:27.075 --> 01:14:33.285
is younger compared to your other life
experiences ever had an experience?

01:14:33.285 --> 01:14:35.805
We've had to look at somebody and say,
you know what, you're gonna have to

01:14:35.805 --> 01:14:37.335
level back your goals a little bit.

01:14:37.515 --> 01:14:42.585
Maybe shoot for something a little
bit smaller or maybe, um, you're not

01:14:42.585 --> 01:14:45.345
putting the effort in that's required
and I'm gonna have to drop you.

01:14:46.665 --> 01:14:51.825
Uh, more often than not, I, I have
to encourage people to aim bigger.

01:14:52.155 --> 01:14:54.885
Uh, yeah, I, I typically try
to focus on five year goals.

01:14:54.885 --> 01:14:58.215
I think it's far enough a way that
you could really build some momentum

01:14:58.215 --> 01:14:59.685
if you, if you are consistent.

01:15:00.195 --> 01:15:03.345
Um, I'll give you a
quick example about that.

01:15:03.825 --> 01:15:08.025
So, so one of my very first clients
when I first started out, he was

01:15:08.025 --> 01:15:12.135
kind of down on his luck and,
and, um, home life wasn't great.

01:15:12.225 --> 01:15:18.315
He was kind of on and off drugs and, uh,
this was kind of like his last shot, uh,

01:15:18.315 --> 01:15:19.845
at kind of getting his life together.

01:15:20.125 --> 01:15:20.285
Hmm.

01:15:20.850 --> 01:15:23.340
And, uh, we got to his,
like, financial goals.

01:15:23.340 --> 01:15:27.000
I was like, all right, tell me, tell
me what, what do you want to have

01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.890
financially at the end of five years?

01:15:29.340 --> 01:15:33.330
Um, and he's like, I don't know,
man, maybe, maybe $5,000 in the bank.

01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:35.460
And I was like, dude, that is way too low.

01:15:35.670 --> 01:15:36.930
You are not thinking big enough.

01:15:36.930 --> 01:15:37.680
And he's like, I don't, Hmm.

01:15:37.980 --> 01:15:38.640
There's no way.

01:15:39.060 --> 01:15:44.250
I was like, how about $20,000 in the bank
liquid, uh, at the end of five years?

01:15:44.280 --> 01:15:46.590
And he was like, there's
absolutely no way I could do that.

01:15:47.250 --> 01:15:51.180
And so I just started hitting divide
on the calculator and it, I think

01:15:51.180 --> 01:15:53.220
it wound up being like $11 a day.

01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.700
I'm like, dude, when you go to
work, can you put $11 in the bank?

01:15:57.210 --> 01:15:59.190
And he is like, yeah, I could,
I could totally do that.

01:15:59.340 --> 01:16:04.620
And so it was, it was like a realization
in his head that like, y yeah, $20,000

01:16:04.620 --> 01:16:08.310
is a big number if I try to do it
right now, but if I, if I just do it

01:16:08.310 --> 01:16:12.810
every day, a little bit every day,
it's, it's incredibly achievable.

01:16:13.110 --> 01:16:13.750
Um hmm.

01:16:13.755 --> 01:16:17.010
And, and so that was kind of
a big moment for him, I think.

01:16:17.240 --> 01:16:19.110
Um, but I.

01:16:21.330 --> 01:16:26.550
The times that I, I have had to help
people dial back is, isn't that their

01:16:26.550 --> 01:16:30.900
goals were too big, but rather that
they, they wanted to do so much.

01:16:31.200 --> 01:16:36.030
Uh, and even, even kind of with my
process of breaking things down into

01:16:36.030 --> 01:16:41.730
small steps, there's still so many,
only so many hours in the day and Right.

01:16:41.790 --> 01:16:46.890
And, um, and so that it kind
of has to come back to, okay,

01:16:46.890 --> 01:16:48.450
what's, what's the priority?

01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.540
Um, particularly people that
aren't in their twenties anymore,

01:16:51.540 --> 01:16:56.100
if they're, you know, in their
fifties or, uh, or something.

01:16:56.100 --> 01:17:00.750
It's like you, you kind of have to
start dialing it in, dialing in,

01:17:00.930 --> 01:17:02.910
uh, to what you want to prioritize.

01:17:03.450 --> 01:17:07.080
It doesn't mean you have to
aim small, uh, but maybe less

01:17:07.085 --> 01:17:08.970
quantity, if that makes sense.

01:17:08.970 --> 01:17:09.060
Hmm.

01:17:10.980 --> 01:17:14.460
I think there's a level of anxiety
that people get when they look

01:17:14.460 --> 01:17:17.730
at where they are in life and
where they think they should be.

01:17:17.730 --> 01:17:20.790
And, you know, the clock is ticking,
kind of how much time we have

01:17:20.790 --> 01:17:25.650
left, but when you pull it back, I
mean, like Vaynerchuk will always

01:17:25.650 --> 01:17:28.110
say, you're young, you got time.

01:17:28.115 --> 01:17:28.680
Right, right, right.

01:17:29.310 --> 01:17:31.020
You, you got so much time ahead of you.

01:17:31.020 --> 01:17:36.180
Like statistically PE speaking people live
to what, 74, 80 on, on, on an average.

01:17:36.180 --> 01:17:39.630
And, uh, where, where do you
want to be with these things?

01:17:39.750 --> 01:17:46.530
Um, the quote from, what was that show?

01:17:46.530 --> 01:17:47.580
The inception.

01:17:47.970 --> 01:17:52.200
Remember when they're, they pull out a
gun and these, uh, shooting and uh, love

01:17:52.200 --> 01:17:53.280
it there or whatever he is shooting.

01:17:53.280 --> 01:17:55.020
And then, um, oh, what's his name?

01:17:55.020 --> 01:17:55.650
I forget his name.

01:17:55.650 --> 01:17:58.800
Anyways, he's like, you mustn't be
afraid to dream a little bit larger.

01:17:58.800 --> 01:17:59.800
Right, right.

01:17:59.805 --> 01:18:00.900
Pulls out a bigger gun and.

01:18:02.099 --> 01:18:03.030
Start shooting.

01:18:03.300 --> 01:18:03.630
Yeah.

01:18:03.660 --> 01:18:03.980
Yeah.

01:18:03.980 --> 01:18:04.580
I love it.

01:18:04.580 --> 01:18:11.460
Um, that dream big idea is so difficult
for somebody who's never been there.

01:18:11.969 --> 01:18:15.990
And I, and I look at myself and I
look back on my accomplishments.

01:18:16.019 --> 01:18:19.349
I never in a million years
would think I would be here.

01:18:19.355 --> 01:18:23.820
Like if you ask younger me, man,
I'd be happy if I had just a tiniest

01:18:23.820 --> 01:18:28.920
fraction of the success that I've seen
over the years, both in family and

01:18:28.925 --> 01:18:32.820
friends and business and, and the rest
never would've thought I'd be here.

01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:33.420
Yeah.

01:18:33.450 --> 01:18:39.389
Um, mind you, for me, if I had to start
from scratch right now, this is now my

01:18:39.389 --> 01:18:43.110
baseline, this is where I would look at
and say, this is what I expect of myself.

01:18:43.115 --> 01:18:43.660
Right.

01:18:43.660 --> 01:18:43.820
Right.

01:18:43.825 --> 01:18:48.330
And it's far easier for me to get there
because I've seen that path and I know

01:18:48.330 --> 01:18:50.460
that as, as an expectation for myself.

01:18:50.969 --> 01:18:54.750
And like I think of when I
first started my business as my.

01:18:55.620 --> 01:18:56.730
Uh, early twenties.

01:18:56.730 --> 01:18:59.610
I had a sole proprietorship before
that when I was in my teenage

01:18:59.610 --> 01:19:03.180
years, and I was, you know, trying
everything, no clue what I was doing.

01:19:03.180 --> 01:19:07.200
And friends, a friend's like
Trav, like, you need a computer?

01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:08.790
Like, I can't afford a computer.

01:19:08.790 --> 01:19:10.769
He's like, oh, I got some spare parts.

01:19:10.769 --> 01:19:11.550
We'll put one together.

01:19:11.550 --> 01:19:12.420
We'll make you a computer.

01:19:12.425 --> 01:19:12.780
Right.

01:19:12.780 --> 01:19:13.230
And right.

01:19:13.320 --> 01:19:15.960
He's like, you gotta incorporate, I'm
like, I can't afford to incorporate,

01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:17.310
I got no idea how to do this thing.

01:19:17.310 --> 01:19:17.580
Right?

01:19:17.580 --> 01:19:23.280
Like, man, if I was incorporated, if I had
a business bank account and a computer,

01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:25.019
well I am top of the world, right?

01:19:25.230 --> 01:19:30.420
Like there's, and from where I
was, I, I, I am way up there.

01:19:30.425 --> 01:19:32.580
I'm at the top of that mountain for sure.

01:19:32.610 --> 01:19:33.030
Yeah.

01:19:33.035 --> 01:19:35.190
But there's always gonna
be higher mountains.

01:19:35.250 --> 01:19:39.390
I think the easiest way to fast
track people to get up to their

01:19:39.394 --> 01:19:41.410
next highest mountain is to walk up.

01:19:41.955 --> 01:19:44.595
A mountain guide who's done these
mountains before, who can rope you

01:19:44.595 --> 01:19:49.515
in and show you the way, and give you
the, and I, that's the, I personally,

01:19:49.515 --> 01:19:53.235
from an outsider looking in, I, I
see as the biggest value that someone

01:19:53.240 --> 01:19:58.065
like yourself and your community can
bring to somebody is recognizing the

01:19:58.070 --> 01:20:00.045
potential that is available for them.

01:20:00.075 --> 01:20:02.925
And the path isn't really that difficult.

01:20:02.930 --> 01:20:05.295
$11 a day, that's not that bad.

01:20:06.115 --> 01:20:06.955
Right, exactly.

01:20:06.955 --> 01:20:07.155
Exactly.

01:20:07.160 --> 01:20:08.655
One step at a time, not bad.

01:20:09.075 --> 01:20:09.465
Right?

01:20:09.525 --> 01:20:09.885
Right.

01:20:09.915 --> 01:20:15.105
And, uh, yeah, and I, I don't want
people to think that I'm like some

01:20:15.435 --> 01:20:18.015
guru or, or expert in all things.

01:20:18.015 --> 01:20:18.945
I'm, I'm really not.

01:20:19.185 --> 01:20:25.095
What, what I am though is somebody that
had, had a dream and chased after it and,

01:20:25.185 --> 01:20:27.015
and figured out what it took to get there.

01:20:27.075 --> 01:20:27.555
Uh mm-hmm.

01:20:27.635 --> 01:20:32.655
And so that's what I want to help
people actualize on is, um, I'm.

01:20:33.615 --> 01:20:36.195
Uh, I mean, some of, some of the
people I've worked with are like, you

01:20:36.195 --> 01:20:39.675
know, artists that want to commission,
uh, paintings and stuff, and I'm

01:20:39.675 --> 01:20:44.475
not an artist, but I, I do know like
what it takes to, to get from point

01:20:44.480 --> 01:20:48.825
A to point B, which is, which is
consistent effort and and discipline.

01:20:49.245 --> 01:20:49.335
Mm-hmm.

01:20:49.635 --> 01:20:51.644
And that, that I can
help you with for sure.

01:20:52.095 --> 01:20:55.125
And Val, valuing yourself
properly, which I would think

01:20:55.125 --> 01:20:57.075
comes back to the Anne Rand pride.

01:20:57.075 --> 01:20:57.975
Exactly, exactly right.

01:20:57.975 --> 01:20:59.894
Being, being proud of
what you, you've done.

01:21:00.285 --> 01:21:02.835
And that was always a
difficult for thing for me.

01:21:02.894 --> 01:21:09.555
I would just give away things rather
than charge for it, because, you

01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:14.445
know, I always remember it's like if
somebody does a favor for you, right?

01:21:14.445 --> 01:21:14.725
Yeah.

01:21:14.725 --> 01:21:14.726
Yeah.

01:21:14.731 --> 01:21:19.905
And you give them 10 bucks, they're
gonna look at you and say, the favor

01:21:19.905 --> 01:21:21.644
I did is worth way more than $10.

01:21:21.644 --> 01:21:22.605
Right, right, right.

01:21:22.610 --> 01:21:25.725
Or you give someone flowers and
you say, here, here's flowers.

01:21:25.725 --> 01:21:26.565
Thanks so much.

01:21:26.805 --> 01:21:28.205
Those flowers may have been 10 bucks.

01:21:29.384 --> 01:21:31.724
But they feel valued all of a sudden.

01:21:31.724 --> 01:21:31.964
Right.

01:21:31.964 --> 01:21:32.684
So, right, right.

01:21:32.684 --> 01:21:36.915
Under, under that, under that sort
of mentality, I would say, why would

01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:42.195
I allow somebody to give me, uh, X
dollars of money when I feel what

01:21:42.195 --> 01:21:46.065
I've provided as much more, I'll just
give it to them for free and Right.

01:21:46.634 --> 01:21:50.415
You know, um, I, I'd
feel better about myself.

01:21:50.415 --> 01:21:52.634
I'm not, it's not like
I'm selling myself short.

01:21:52.995 --> 01:21:53.085
Mm-hmm.

01:21:53.530 --> 01:21:56.535
That has always been one of the
most difficult things for me, is

01:21:56.535 --> 01:22:00.014
knowing what your value is and
what I've learned as time goes on.

01:22:00.014 --> 01:22:01.724
Cause I'm still having a
difficult time with that.

01:22:01.724 --> 01:22:06.525
Is, uh, your value is whatever
somebody's willing to pay, really.

01:22:06.684 --> 01:22:07.245
Right.

01:22:07.245 --> 01:22:07.684
Right.

01:22:07.690 --> 01:22:14.835
And, um, your value structure that
you set for yourself is one that.

01:22:18.105 --> 01:22:21.645
Is one that'll essentially
train your clients too, right?

01:22:21.645 --> 01:22:26.025
You look at high-end products out
there, uh, I mean, in the mountaineering

01:22:26.025 --> 01:22:30.735
world, art Arteris is gonna have a
higher price tag than let's say Tega.

01:22:30.740 --> 01:22:32.595
I don't even know if Tega
is even around anymore.

01:22:32.595 --> 01:22:35.325
Or, um, let's say North Face.

01:22:35.330 --> 01:22:35.905
Mm-hmm.

01:22:35.985 --> 01:22:39.765
They, they both offer jackets that
Butch jackets both do a great job,

01:22:39.765 --> 01:22:43.305
but, uh, one of 'em is gonna attract a
different sort of clientele to them and

01:22:43.305 --> 01:22:44.955
put them in a different sort of circle.

01:22:45.375 --> 01:22:45.615
Right.

01:22:45.705 --> 01:22:46.215
Um, right.

01:22:46.695 --> 01:22:52.545
I, I think, uh, I think those are the,
the two sort of things that, that I've

01:22:52.545 --> 01:22:54.165
learned so far and I'm still learning.

01:22:54.170 --> 01:22:54.505
Mm-hmm.

01:22:54.510 --> 01:22:54.555
Hmm.

01:22:54.795 --> 01:22:56.775
PE your value is whatever
people are willing to pay.

01:22:57.225 --> 01:23:01.065
Uh, and you don't have to accept any
jobs that, uh, are outside of that.

01:23:01.455 --> 01:23:08.955
And if, if you value yourself at a
high level and you provide high quality

01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:11.685
service, you're gonna attract high level.

01:23:12.540 --> 01:23:13.050
Clients.

01:23:14.040 --> 01:23:16.019
I, I 100% agree with that.

01:23:16.050 --> 01:23:22.530
And something else that I have found is,
um, when I, when I first started out,

01:23:22.590 --> 01:23:25.500
uh, I, I set my prices relatively low.

01:23:25.620 --> 01:23:29.280
I, I thought they were high, but,
uh, that they were pretty low.

01:23:29.700 --> 01:23:36.990
And what happened was, um, the pain
point for the client wasn't high enough,

01:23:36.990 --> 01:23:38.400
and so they wouldn't do the work.

01:23:38.490 --> 01:23:38.580
Mm-hmm.

01:23:38.820 --> 01:23:47.700
Um, if the, if they're not investing,
uh, enough, they, they don't,

01:23:48.030 --> 01:23:49.349
they don't see the value in it.

01:23:49.740 --> 01:23:52.660
Uh, even if the, even if they paid,
you know, a couple hundred bucks or,

01:23:52.665 --> 01:23:56.490
or whatever, it's, the pain point
wasn't high enough for them to,

01:23:56.490 --> 01:23:58.349
to actually commit to the process.

01:23:58.410 --> 01:23:58.500
Mm-hmm.

01:23:58.940 --> 01:24:02.700
It wasn't until like I, I like bumped
my prices pretty significantly that.

01:24:04.695 --> 01:24:08.025
And maybe that just attracted a different
crowd, but, uh, but ultimately it

01:24:08.025 --> 01:24:11.175
was like those are the people that
are actually doing the work, uh,

01:24:11.205 --> 01:24:16.455
because they, they see it as a higher
investment in themselves, uh, and they

01:24:16.455 --> 01:24:18.405
want to capitalize on that investment.

01:24:19.695 --> 01:24:20.535
And I think it's brilliant.

01:24:20.535 --> 01:24:22.005
Tony Robbins does the same thing.

01:24:22.365 --> 01:24:25.755
He'll just, and he says, I charge
a ridiculous amount of money, not

01:24:25.755 --> 01:24:28.485
because I need the money, not because
I have to, but because if you're

01:24:28.485 --> 01:24:31.095
willing to pay that amount of money,
you're willing to put the work in.

01:24:31.485 --> 01:24:31.965
Exactly.

01:24:31.995 --> 01:24:33.014
Uh, a hundred percent.

01:24:33.615 --> 01:24:39.525
I had a, uh, I heard a marketing
fellow say, you know, the difference

01:24:39.525 --> 01:24:42.615
between a $500 job and a $5,000 job.

01:24:42.795 --> 01:24:47.264
The $500 job you provide the,
uh, the artwork to the client.

01:24:47.264 --> 01:24:49.845
The client will come back with
their suggestions for changes

01:24:49.849 --> 01:24:51.615
and, uh, what they want to do.

01:24:51.615 --> 01:24:54.315
And, and you put, you put it
through and then they put it up

01:24:54.315 --> 01:24:57.434
and they advertise maybe in a
couple places, the $5,000 artwork.

01:24:57.434 --> 01:24:57.764
They just.

01:24:58.170 --> 01:25:01.560
Throw it up, they advertise it and
they reap the benefits of it, right?

01:25:01.830 --> 01:25:03.180
They charge them more.

01:25:03.180 --> 01:25:04.110
You make more money.

01:25:04.110 --> 01:25:05.580
You have a less difficult client.

01:25:05.580 --> 01:25:09.390
The client trusts you that there's
a reason why they're hiring you.

01:25:09.900 --> 01:25:10.110
Right?

01:25:10.170 --> 01:25:14.880
And I, I, I learned that
one at a very early age.

01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:20.510
I just didn't implement it still,
I mean, but, um, I did Silvercore

01:25:20.510 --> 01:25:24.150
gun works before having Silvercore
training, and I was doing firearms

01:25:24.150 --> 01:25:25.860
repair and maintenance and gunsmithing.

01:25:26.040 --> 01:25:29.520
So I do work with armored car companies,
extended work for law enforcement,

01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:34.170
for, uh, mineral exploration and
forestry companies that have firearms.

01:25:34.170 --> 01:25:38.430
And, and then every Joe Blow who's
got a gun, who wanted to bring

01:25:38.430 --> 01:25:39.840
it on in and have it worked on.

01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:41.550
And, uh, I found.

01:25:42.794 --> 01:25:46.184
There was an excellent learning
process working on all the different

01:25:46.184 --> 01:25:47.445
types of firearms out there.

01:25:47.594 --> 01:25:50.745
But I had an old guy come in
and he says, I got this rifle

01:25:51.434 --> 01:25:53.174
and I picked up a barrel blank.

01:25:53.834 --> 01:25:58.394
I'd like you to be able to, uh,
thread it and chamber it, and I want

01:25:58.394 --> 01:26:00.464
it with an X thousand tolerance.

01:26:00.525 --> 01:26:05.235
Uh, uh, and I wanted, uh,
a muzzle break put on.

01:26:05.235 --> 01:26:08.804
So I had to make a muzzle break and
cut and crown and thread and action

01:26:08.804 --> 01:26:09.825
work and a whole bunch of things.

01:26:09.830 --> 01:26:10.815
And then he wanted the whole thing.

01:26:10.815 --> 01:26:12.554
I think it was parkerized,
might have been ballooned.

01:26:12.615 --> 01:26:13.514
He wanted the whole thing.

01:26:13.514 --> 01:26:15.134
Um, uh, a finish on it.

01:26:15.134 --> 01:26:19.304
I, yeah, it was a manganese phosphate
coating I put on the thing and, uh,

01:26:20.010 --> 01:26:24.240
I look at this old guy, old pensioner
and he all this work and there's a

01:26:24.240 --> 01:26:27.480
company called Brown L's and they've
got, uh, you're aware of them.

01:26:27.480 --> 01:26:31.260
I see by nodding your head in the
back of their, uh, their catalog, they

01:26:31.260 --> 01:26:35.190
have high low of what, uh, people in
the states charged for their work.

01:26:35.195 --> 01:26:38.220
And so I looked at all these things
and even at the low end, it was

01:26:38.460 --> 01:26:40.020
ticking up on the high price scale.

01:26:40.020 --> 01:26:43.020
So I took all of the low ends and
then they cut the price in half and

01:26:43.020 --> 01:26:44.760
then gave this guy a wicked deal.

01:26:45.030 --> 01:26:45.330
Yeah.

01:26:45.510 --> 01:26:50.130
I give him this rifle trigger job done,
whole bunch of stuff and he throws it in

01:26:50.130 --> 01:26:51.570
the back cuz his truck gives me the money.

01:26:51.575 --> 01:26:52.080
Hey, thanks.

01:26:52.080 --> 01:26:52.590
See you later.

01:26:52.650 --> 01:26:53.040
Right?

01:26:53.370 --> 01:26:54.510
I was like, oh, okay.

01:26:54.510 --> 01:26:54.750
Right.

01:26:54.750 --> 01:26:56.760
He seemed holy, ungrateful.

01:26:57.015 --> 01:27:01.050
But a week later he came back with an
exact same type of action and exact same

01:27:01.050 --> 01:27:04.620
barrel, wanted the whole work done all
over again, just in a different caliber.

01:27:05.250 --> 01:27:07.650
And now I'm feeling like I'm
being taken advantage of, right?

01:27:08.010 --> 01:27:11.550
So, so I go through this whole thing and
I'm like, well, I'm gonna charge him.

01:27:11.550 --> 01:27:14.370
And it was still, wasn't at the
high end of what Brown ELs was

01:27:14.370 --> 01:27:15.600
saying, I'm gonna charge him.

01:27:16.470 --> 01:27:17.070
More.

01:27:17.130 --> 01:27:19.710
And uh, cuz I explained to him, when
I did the first one, I gave him a

01:27:19.710 --> 01:27:23.580
screaming deal because of the sob story
that he gave and his everything else.

01:27:23.580 --> 01:27:25.380
And anyways, number two comes in.

01:27:26.295 --> 01:27:29.955
Exact same thing, only thing different
was his chamber in a different caliber.

01:27:30.255 --> 01:27:30.315
Yeah.

01:27:30.765 --> 01:27:34.215
He, it was sitting there on the
workbench and he comes and he

01:27:34.215 --> 01:27:37.215
looks at it and he leaves, he says
nothing goes into his vehicle.

01:27:37.245 --> 01:27:39.495
And he comes back and I
was like, is he annoyed?

01:27:39.500 --> 01:27:40.275
Like, what's going on?

01:27:40.275 --> 01:27:40.485
Right.

01:27:40.490 --> 01:27:46.395
And he puts on white gloves, picks it up,
and he says, no, that that's quality work.

01:27:46.665 --> 01:27:49.515
There's no difference between what
I did there and what I did in the

01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:51.165
other one except charged them more.

01:27:53.385 --> 01:27:54.045
Oh man.

01:27:54.465 --> 01:27:57.165
So that, that one always
stuck in the back of my head.

01:27:57.495 --> 01:28:00.615
Yeah, that's, that's an
interesting learning experience.

01:28:01.255 --> 01:28:01.655
Yes.

01:28:03.315 --> 01:28:08.805
So is there anything that we haven't
touched on that we should touch on?

01:28:08.895 --> 01:28:12.255
Are there things in your business
that you're looking at, uh, at

01:28:12.255 --> 01:28:15.405
doing or, or things that you want
to get out to the audience that,

01:28:15.535 --> 01:28:16.605
uh, you think would be important?

01:28:17.295 --> 01:28:18.675
Uh, that's a good question.

01:28:20.055 --> 01:28:25.020
Uh, No, I, I think we, we covered,
like, my biggest thing is getting

01:28:25.020 --> 01:28:26.520
kind of my philosophy out there.

01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:30.240
Uh, it, it doesn't resonate with
everybody, but I think it resonates with

01:28:30.245 --> 01:28:36.840
some, and sometimes throughout, throughout
the process when I work with folks

01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:41.490
is they, they love the whole dreaming
big of the five year goals and stuff.

01:28:41.490 --> 01:28:43.650
That's like the sexy part
that they really get into.

01:28:43.730 --> 01:28:44.290
Mm-hmm.

01:28:44.700 --> 01:28:48.390
It's the, it's like the backwards planning
and then the accountability piece that

01:28:48.390 --> 01:28:50.550
is boring, but the most important.

01:28:50.820 --> 01:28:53.040
And that's where I kind
of come in and, and help.

01:28:53.100 --> 01:28:56.670
Uh, I'm like, I'm like the bumpers
when you go bowling and you

01:28:56.670 --> 01:28:57.720
don't want to get a gutter ball.

01:28:57.780 --> 01:29:03.450
So, uh, that's kind of my role is,
is to ensure that you're, you're

01:29:03.450 --> 01:29:08.490
operating, uh, within your left and
right limits, uh, according to the plan

01:29:08.495 --> 01:29:10.050
that, that we come up with together.

01:29:10.050 --> 01:29:16.755
And, uh, I've had to kind of like, figure
out how to communicate with people,

01:29:16.815 --> 01:29:19.005
uh, coming from, you know, the teams.

01:29:19.155 --> 01:29:24.215
Uh, I could be relatively assertive
and zero filter and it'd be okay.

01:29:24.805 --> 01:29:25.295
Yeah.

01:29:25.394 --> 01:29:29.445
And so I've had to, I've had to kind
of dial that back some, uh, although

01:29:29.450 --> 01:29:33.345
some people are like, Hey, you can, you
can be meaner to me if you need to be.

01:29:33.815 --> 01:29:36.915
I'm like, all right, I can sure
straight, I can do that too.

01:29:36.915 --> 01:29:41.474
So, uh, that's been, uh, an interesting
learning experience too, is like how to,

01:29:42.235 --> 01:29:43.785
how to communicate with people again.

01:29:45.375 --> 01:29:46.275
Yeah, I guess so.

01:29:46.365 --> 01:29:47.265
Do this now.

01:29:47.355 --> 01:29:48.105
You'll be better.

01:29:48.615 --> 01:29:49.245
Right, right.

01:29:50.205 --> 01:29:52.695
Why I, because I said do it, trust me.

01:29:53.095 --> 01:29:53.655
Right.

01:29:54.675 --> 01:30:00.135
Uh, well, Chris, Thank you very much
for being on the Silvercore podcast.

01:30:00.225 --> 01:30:03.945
Like I'll just reiterate for anyone
listening, there's gonna be links

01:30:03.945 --> 01:30:06.105
both on YouTube and on the podcast.

01:30:06.105 --> 01:30:10.635
You can find Chris, follow Chris, see
him on Instagram, the Facebook groups,

01:30:10.905 --> 01:30:12.285
TikTok, you're all over the place.

01:30:12.765 --> 01:30:16.965
Uh, and, uh, you know, if you enjoy
the content you're hearing here,

01:30:16.995 --> 01:30:18.975
make sure to tell others about it.

01:30:18.975 --> 01:30:20.055
It's really helpful.

01:30:20.675 --> 01:30:25.245
Subscribe, comment, follow, and
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01:30:25.245 --> 01:30:29.055
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01:30:29.684 --> 01:30:30.945
by all means, check that out to you.

01:30:31.305 --> 01:30:33.915
Chris, thanks so much for being
on the Silver Core Podcast.

01:30:34.275 --> 01:30:35.325
Thanks so much for having me.

01:30:35.325 --> 01:30:36.105
It was awesome.

01:30:36.165 --> 01:30:37.575
Uh, I hope to do it again, sir.

01:30:38.205 --> 01:30:39.045
Absolutely.