In this episode, Estelle Mense, VP of Marketing at Ascend Learning, joins Justin Watkins, CEO & Founder of Native Digital, to discuss leadership skills, personal branding, and career progression in marketing. They emphasize focusing on people, seeking mentorship, and adapting to industry changes. The conversation covers the shift from storytelling to data-driven strategies, the challenges of transitioning into leadership, and the importance of staying engaged and learning from peers. They also share advice for the first five years of a career: build a strong toolkit of hard and soft skills, understand the business, and take calculated risks.