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Unknown: I mean, I blew my
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just raw what I could hear, you
know, I haven't played raw

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cymbal volume in years.

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Oh, it's, it's a drum set is
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you know. I mean, it's like a
jet airlines. 100 is like 120

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decibels. And the average drum
set could be somewhere between,

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you know, 85 to 120 the way I
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thankfully, the singer Roger the
Huey, yeah, I think the same

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thing happened to him. He
couldn't hear either, so we're

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just looking at each other. He's
like, Yeah, I got nothing

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either. I'm like, okay, the show
has to go on. I said,

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I gotta go on. I had to play it
him in those moments. But it's

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not, you know, it's not as not a
pool you want to swim in. That's

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right,

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yeah, dead battery. Dead
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That's what it was

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in the little box that I plugged
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yeah, man. And I didn't even
notice a gym. Of course, I was

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talking to a million people not
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attention. But this is the

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rich Redmond show you.

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Every now and then, around
midnight,

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the more river I ask you to
feeling right. I

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pull a jug and a flat top out
that back

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porch fit To

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get loud. Like

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today, that dirt deer on your
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Can't hear already better, get
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fast, drop a lead food on that
gas stolen Well, He's gone

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tomorrow already. Already

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can make you wanna stop.

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Out little hometown dirt stone,
like a bag of church stone wanna

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cover head On tomorrow, storm,

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a stone.

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Nice, so much for getting
levels.

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We might do two versions of it,
but that was

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pretty cool. It felt so good.
Man, I couldn't stop

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that. Was just so easy. Man, you
have like a just a feel of all

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fields.

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Man, you kidding me to play that
song with you? So cool. Man,

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that's bad.

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Great job, man. I think I've
known some of your live

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drummers. Ethan Harris, yeah,

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I was, oh, man, yeah. He played
for me for a bit,

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man. Ethan's viral.

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So Ethan's the guy that had the,

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he's how to get fired from a
gig. He

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had the bunk, yeah, the bonk
sound. What's the bonk sound?

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He's

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basically at, yeah, down in he's
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he's got like, an SPDs next to
him, yeah, with samples on it.

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So yeah. And it's like, what
song are they playing?

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I forget, but he put the bonk in
the weirdest of places, and it

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just rubbed everybody. It just
tickled everybody. And

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they also. On a diet, yeah? And
it became a thing, and now he's

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got a huge following,

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yeah? See that? I texted him not
longer. I was like, dude,

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congratulations. Yeah. I was
like, his stuff has totally

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blown up. So I

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remember he we, he goes, Hey,
man, can I ask you some

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questions? A couple years ago,
we went to go get some sushi in

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the middle of the day, and I
said, do this. Don't do that.

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Try this. Blah, blah, blah,
throw this thing against the

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wall. Always prepare. Show up.
He's doing great, doing great,

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you know, yeah, it's

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crazy. All my drummers that I've
had have, you know, done stuff

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with you, and have been taught
by all kinds, you name them.

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Man. Anthony Pendle, he drummed
for me for a while. Yeah, oh my

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god, yeah. He's up in
Pennsylvania now, and his dad

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was a detective, and he wanted
to go in that line of work and

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get off the road. So I still
know that. So talk to him all

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the time. Great, dude. Yeah. But
yeah, is he playing still? No. I

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mean, he plays around, I think
just at home, but he's totally

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switched. Got off the road, you
got it? Got it out? Yeah, he

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did. And he's, he's a detective
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detective, yeah, so he had to
put his time in. I mean, that

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doesn't happen, no, huh? He
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So did you know him when you
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Yeah, I did not know that.
That's super cool. So Anthony

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Ethan, and then do you have a
nice stable of guys now that

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for a while? Man, so right now,
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lately, which is really cool.
And so bass, drums and me on

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electricity, like a power trio,
no, yeah. And so, like, the

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rush of country music, man,

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you're like, you know, Betty
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ZZ Top, I'll just myself out.
Yeah, you like the police, yes,

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for sure, my bass player has
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years. That's great. And I've
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I kind of have a bank. Here's
the thing too. Is like, when I

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would go in between deals or
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difficult to you, it's difficult
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when you don't have a counter
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know, you know, yeah. So I kind
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love, and I'll see, you know,
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you know, yeah.

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So why do you why would you want
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scenario? Is it just financial?
Is it, well, I deficiency.

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Typically I'm a four piece. I
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then it must have been like a
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like, I think I want, we need. I
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just a couple years ago, and I
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of, you know, I was a little
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you know, the guitar player, you
gotta cover a lot of ground, big

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time, yeah, and

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Anson, but you got it. You've
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time, you got the feel, you got
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musicianship.

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Hey, if Eddie can do it, yeah,

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well, thank you. But the thing
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after I did that first gig, or
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the space.

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What? How long ago was this?

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Maybe, like, four years ago,
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piece, and it hadn't been three
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know, I'll do it here and there.
But I love the space that it,

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that it creates, because it's
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just a wall of sound. It lets
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the right spot, to serve the
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right place, and free some stuff
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space, and letting the music
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heady. But, you know, I'm
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You Speak for yourself. I mean,
here we are in the songwriting

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capital of the world. You got
great music, you got great

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songs, great melodies. You're a
great singer, you're a great

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player. So, I mean, yeah, look
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that rush made, the amount of
noise that the police made three

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guys. So you get these really
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in rush, I think was Johnny
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all of them upon listening to
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that Neil was the only one doing
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Johnny Rab said. He says, I
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actually overdubbing and doing
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had no idea it was just him. And
then you have Getty, that

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handled synth on the feet, synth
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duties, that's a heavy thing. So
that's, you know, you still got

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a ways to

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go. Me, man, three guys on the
road, and you do any and you

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could, you do save some money,
and if you got to jump in the

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van, you got to jump in a van,
sure, you got to be like that

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forever, you know, yeah, you
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be, I don't think I want to be a
three piece forever, because

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there's times where I miss that
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if we're playing, like, big, big
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other guy, my other rhythm guy,
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like, I'd like to see a three
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fronting this to three. That
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us know you don't see that. Let

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us know where we can see a show.
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I know it. I know it. I think if
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month. Bengaliher.com,

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probably right, yeah. So that,
Gallagher, no, you don't know

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watermelons, yeah, I left him in
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It's $1,000 fine if you say his
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that in the rider. No, you do
put the pronunciation in there,

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and then you remind him before
the radio guy walks on and he

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says, Ladies and Gentlemen, Ben

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Gallagher, it's like, Come on,
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I know. So radio people are not
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Jim, that is who we're talking
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hailing from Camp Hill,
Pennsylvania. It's an area of

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the state he calls pencil,
Kentucky. Pencil, pencil tucky.

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Man, a lot of Pennsylvania, I'll
call pencil tucky. Yeah,

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I mean, you're you and I are
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that area, Lancaster. Oh, yeah,
it's not Lancaster, it's

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Lancaster. That's right, and
you're right, Jim, is it Amish

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Amish? I say Amish, but it is
Amish. Yeah. So,

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yeah, they make great snacks.
They really they make great

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furniture. Pies, oh, peanut
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hear

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the restaurant called the good
and plenty? Oh, yeah, remember

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that that's not around anymore.
No, it's because we used to eat

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I was a kid. Maybe you could
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Jim, I don't I

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don't need any more businesses
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have. Yes, so,

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man, thank y'all for having me.
Thank you so huge honor for me

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to be sitting here with you.
Kidding me, man,

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you know what I got to I
listened. We really appreciate

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You're a singer, you're a
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you're a recording artist,
you're a viral social media

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phenom. 35 million views on
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you playing that opening riff.
You're keeping, you're keeping

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the chicken pick and thing
alive, man, you know, and you're

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bringing it to a whole new
audience. Because, because, you

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know, in the record bin, if your
record was at sound warehouse or

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at one of these old school Tower
Records. It would be in the

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country section, but you're
mixing all sorts of stuff in

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there. You got a bunch of rock
players, miles McPherson,

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playing the drums for you in the
studio. He's a rocker covered in

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tattoos. You know what? I mean,
come on. So your your music is

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very genre bending. And that
song that we just played is

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called stomp. And is that at
Radio right now? Or was it at

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Radio? No, actually,

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that song Never went to radio,
but bullet is right. But bullet

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is our most recent single, but
on digitally, that's not a radio

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yet either. Okay, hopefully,

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yeah, so. And then you have
another, a couple of great songs

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that our friend Neil Thrasher
wrote. And not only did he What

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is the song? It's about a cowboy
man, still a few cowboys left.

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Yeah, you can always tell a Neil
thresher melody. You could smell

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it a mile

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away, a mile he's got a thing.
He has a thing, dude, I'll tell

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you why I owe so much to Neil.
He is. I mean, we started

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writing over 10 years ago, and
we hit it off, and I knew who

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Neil was, obviously on all of
y'all records, you know, I was

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like, when we look at the
credits, man, there's, like, my

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favorite songs, anyways, just
total God thing. We ended up,

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you know, getting connected
through Jim katino When I was

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signed at Sony and and then that
deal went sideways, which we can

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talk about. But the thing about
Neil is, you know, when you go

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in and out of deals and you have
a lot going on, and then all of

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a sudden something happens, and
you have a blip, that's the

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industry, right? And then all of
a sudden your phone quits

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ringing. You know, that's just
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one guy that kept writing with
me, with that one, I didn't have

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a publishing deal anymore, and I
didn't have a record deal

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anymore before I got the new
one, was Neil Thrasher. Look at

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that. And it's like this. Look
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You know, I couldn't go at that
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to radio. And still, really now,
unless you had a deal, you know,

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you can't, you're not going to
have a massive thing at radio

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without any machine or money
behind you, that's like pretty

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much impossible, yeah? So what
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that to spend a massive hit song
writers, wild, widely

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successful, to spend days
writing songs with an artist

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that has no vehicle to make that
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business to, you know, and

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I was gonna say because he did
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and he probably had fun. He
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he's done it for the right

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reasons. We hit it off. And I
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like, Man, this guy's right.
This the, you know, the Neil

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Thrasher is right with me. And I
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shit, man, nothing going on. And
we would write, write, write,

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and always talked about working
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forward, he's him and his cousin
Patrick are now producing all my

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music, and it's like a better
fit than I could have ever

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dreamed of.

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Yeah, that Patrick comes up with
some really good drum parts.

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I've had to cop some things on
the demos. He. Got a very

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musical mind, and the parts are
really, you know, well thought

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out. And a lot of times I can't
beat them. So, you know, I just

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try to redmonize them a little
bit here and there, but it's the

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framework is all laid out, which

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is nice. Hit him with a
redmonism.

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What would be a redmonism? I

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think it's more just like a
spirit and an energy, you know,

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just taking whatever is there
and just trying to flock them,

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yeah, sell it, you know, like a
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what I mean,

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Redmond calling chuckles, the
Richmond all

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sorts of stuff people. Because
they'll look at the name and

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they'll be like, hello, Mr.
Richmond. Yeah, I get that a

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lot, because they just meld them
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What's up? Red Richmond? Yeah,
yours is a very difficult name

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to say. Even in the beginning of
this, we probably need to recut

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it at some point the new intro,
because I sound like I'm saying

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the rich Redmond show. That's
what it is. And the Redmond you

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gotta do, oh, yeah. Gotta get
the do out. Yeah.

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So support live music, hire live
musicians. Well, heck yeah, man.

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So now you had, you had the guys
on your record, mind that

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there's, we got these teams for
those don't know. There's these

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little studio musician groups.
There's these little cliques of

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guys, and they really are, like
some of a second family. And the

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amount of time they spend
together, they really are almost

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like a first family it's like at
9am every morning, you got to be

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at the studio getting drum
sounds. You get your coffee the

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you know, the number charts are
passed out, and these guys know

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that they got to make magic in a
short period of time. So you had

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miles on drums,

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yep, this last session, we just
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had miles on drums, bring a Dell
Oh on nice base. Schoenfeld on

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electric, oh, I had him Yeah,
Tom Bucha back, Tom lecture,

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fantastic. Worked with for a lot
of years. Yeah and Jed. Hughes

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on acoustic, Jed, yeah, man,
first time I used Jed. Man. Was

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I blown away?

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He was awesome. Yeah, anything
with a string, he's got

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it. Man and Tom. I mean, Adam
and Tom have been, have worked

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with for several years. Those
guys. Is such a great

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combination with those two. Love
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if you use a real tambourine, I
will come bring the best signing

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tambourine you've ever heard

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in your life. I'm here for that.

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It's, it's golden. Man, well,
that you can't go wrong with

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that team. Man, that is
fantastic. So how did it start

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for you? Man, you know, I know
that. You know I listened to

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your conversation that you know,
Jim produced on our friends

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podcast. Try that in a small
town podcast. You got a super

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interesting story. You came up
listening to 90s country, and I

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learned that you kind of were,
like, into our stuff. You like

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the relentless record, which was
the sleeper record for

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us, which I never understood
that, because I would, I'm not

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kidding, dude, I wore those
records out. That's massively

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Wow. And so yeah. Grew up
strictly, strictly on 90s

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country, and then got into rock
and roll and all y'all records.

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Eric Church, the early Keith
Urban, Golden Road, all that. Oh

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man, what a record. Yeah, Golden
Road and be here. Good stuff,

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yeah, but yeah, the relentless
record. Why was it a sleeper?

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Was amazing.

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Well, we appreciate that, but
that's, yeah, it was just, there

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was some, we had a cash on that.
It was, it was, I don't know if

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Johnny Cash was like,

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break everything on touch,
wasn't it? And relentless was on

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there, was back in the cigarette
on there, maybe,

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yeah. But relentless was kind of
just like, and there was, like,

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there was like, a ballad that
was on there that was a little

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bit of a stinker. We it was a
sophomore slump. We were just

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like, Oh no, is it over? You
know what? I mean, we

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cried, huh? Left until we cried,
was until you cried? Was that

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the one? Yeah, that's a good

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song. I know it was good song.
Kayla's song, yeah, he was on

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that. And I don't mean it was a
bad song, it just it did not

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perform like you wanted it to.
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you know what aged well, yeah,
it does. I mean, that song still

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has a lot of relevance it, you
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Yeah, yeah, no. I mean Kayla
songs and Neil's songs. We're in

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the

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songwriting capital of the
world, so just in those early

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days, Jason was being pitched,
so like, hundreds of songs per

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record, and then he and Michael
have to get it down to, like,

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maybe 50 songs. And they're
driving around, and their cars

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are listening to it. They're
waiting it. They're way seeing

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what's what they're going to be
singing in the middle of the

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night, or when they wake up in
the morning. And then it gets

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down to 20, and then we would
cut 15, and then, you know, you

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would have three or four singles
off of each record. You know

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what I mean. But what? Quite a

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process. That's truly how it
works. They're like, they're

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literally driving around.

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That's why, that's one of
Michael's processes is to just

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internalize it's a great because
you're listening to music as a

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consumer would, yeah, like, what
is this ear? Is there an earwig

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melody? You know, there's only
12 notes. How are we going to

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put them together in a way that
is memorable, that the soccer

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mom and the account? Dad are
going to attach themselves

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to palatable for everybody,

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yes, but they're trying to
figure out they're putting

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themselves in the prospective
audience, in the shoes of of,

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yeah, not necessarily, what
would resonate with me? Yeah,

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like Michael, or anybody like
that. Just Yeah, interesting.

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Pretty crazy,

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Rich. Do you? You've been in
countless, countless sessions.

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Do you remember those days of
cutting that music then? Or no,

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yeah, you do. Yeah, because,
because, you know, as you were

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having that chat with, you know,
with Tully and Kurt, it's like,

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you know, we're, we're recording
this all in this same building.

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I know that has so much legs and
so much history. It's like, I

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mean, Travis tritt did a lot of
his records there. And, my God,

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you know that going back to
highway 101, and all the early

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70s stuff, the same wood
paneling on the wall, a lot of

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the same, you know, microphones,
obviously, the same, coffee

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maker, coffee mugs, the building
has burned. The building has

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flooded. We keep going there,
because there's something

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special and different and like,
almost spiritual about and we

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all converge in that one place.
We know what our job is, and and

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it's, it's, and it sounds
different from some of the other

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high tech places where, you
know, you know the coffee makers

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are, you know, the coffee
machines at Blackbird are $5,000

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you know what I mean, as they
should. It's, you know, and it's

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right next door, but it's just
it is a cool thing to have that

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history where it's the, you
know, the same cast of

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characters. The only thing that
would change would be there

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would be a pool of two to three
steel players that would have

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their strengths. If it was a
traditional country song. It

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might be one steel player. And
if it was my more forward

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thinking, and it required more
like, make the steel guitar

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sound like, almost like another
instrument, that would be

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another and then three or four
acoustic guitar players would

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come in over the years. But for
the most part, it was the same

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group of guys, the eight guys on
the floor. Michael Pete an

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assistant, and that has changed
a couple times over the years.

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And then, of course, all the you
know, the publisher comes in,

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the Jason comes in, he might
have a small entourage. There

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might be a small video crew
traipsing through, and you got

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to make the thing happen. You
got three hours. And we do two

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songs every three hours. That's
just an awesome process. And

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then the years go by, and you
go, wow, we've got a body of

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work of, like, I don't know, 160
70 songs or something. That's

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insane. And, and you're aiming,
you're in line to do that, man.

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You're, you're at that first
part of your career, which is so

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exciting, you know, and you're
on to something. You're, you're,

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you're taking country, and
you're taking rock, and you're

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throwing it into a blender, and,
and you're like, This is me,

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because there was a time in your
career where people were wanting

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you to be something that didn't
resonate with you. So tell us

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about that

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big time. Yeah, I signed a
record deal in 2014

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at Sony Nashville, yeah, and a
couple months after I signed,

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the CEO got blown out, and there
was a couple months before the

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new guy came in. Well, changing
of the guard. When there's a

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regime change like that, usually
it's clean house, because the

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new guy, right? He wants to come
in and, you know, put his

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fingerprints all over him, do
his thing, right? Well, that's

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terrible for a new artist,
because it's terrible for

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business. Yeah, it's like, where
are we going to live here? You

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know what's going on. So I ended
up making it through that cup.

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But it was never right. It was
never right when, when Randy

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came in, probably because he
didn't have, you know, his stamp

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on me, he wasn't the first one
to sign me at the company. So we

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cut and cut and cut music. And I
don't know it was like, we

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probably cut 18 songs, never
went to radio with anything, and

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put out an EP over that five
years, and cut some new stuff.

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Everybody was fired up about it,
and then all of a sudden,

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something went,

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somebody on the higher up said,
Man,

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Ben needs to be doing this more
slicked, you know, pop country

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at the time was, like, really
shiny shirts, yeah, Ben needs to

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be doing this type of thing, you
know. And it's like they called

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and said, Hey, wants you to go
back in? And I was like, I'm not

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going back in. This is I don't
know what else I would do. This

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is what I do, and it's not my
way or the highway I was willing

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to bend. But you can't put, you
can't put like, a vocal like

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mine, and put it on this super
slick track. It wasn't natural

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to me. It wasn't organic. And I
thought, I always thought the

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fans would be able to tell in a
second, and it's like, I'll be

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damned if I'm going out on the
road every weekend for the next

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30 years. Yeah, playing stuff I
can't stand that's not me,

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because

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if it hits you, are on the hook
to perform that for the rest of

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your life. Because country music
fans are loyal, loyal, the most

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loyal. Yes, the most loyal,
which is a wonderful thing, you

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know, because if you're wearing
a headset Mike, and you're

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dancing and you're bye, bye bye,
then you have to go into acting

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or something else, because it's
not gonna that's, it's, it's a

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snapshot in time where you can
get three, you can get three

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decades out of what we do,

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yeah, which is amazing, totally
man. And it's like they just

435
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,200
didn't get what I do. And that's
okay, not everybody's gonna get

436
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,420
it, but it said, I've never
chased anything. I just don't

437
00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:29,180
always have done what I do, and
I've pushed the boundaries. I

438
00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:32,600
think it's great that you can
evolve an artist and you know,

439
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,140
but it's like I asked out of the
deal, which was an emotional,

440
00:25:36,140 --> 00:25:39,080
heavy time man who's gonna, who
wants to ask out of a major

441
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,560
record deal, because everyone is

442
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,800
trying to get that thing, and
when you do get it, it is like

443
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,040
winning the lottery. No matter
how talented you are, it's very

444
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:48,940
difficult to get a

445
00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:51,340
record deal. That's right, yeah?
And that's just the beginning of

446
00:25:51,340 --> 00:25:53,320
everything. And that, yeah, oh
yeah, man, that's just the

447
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,720
beginning. But if you don't have
the right team, right, it takes

448
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,120
a village, dude. You can't do it
alone. It takes the right team

449
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:02,100
and a village. And if that's not
firing on all cylinders, like

450
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:04,860
you're gonna have major bumps in
the road, and I knew it, it was

451
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:07,080
a gut feeling, man, where it's
like, something's not right

452
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,920
here. Gonna go in again. It's
like they just don't it's not

453
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,080
the song, it's not the
production, it's just they just

454
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,500
don't get what I do, and that's
okay. It was time to go, and I

455
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:20,300
asked out, and thankfully,
walked with some masters, which

456
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:23,600
was, which doesn't often happen,
because they knew that I had,

457
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,440
yeah, they screwed me around for
a long time and at that, but

458
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,920
you're still the tender age of
maybe 33 years old, which is

459
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,460
amazing.

460
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,300
It's a good thing. Yeah, man,
you get the youth,

461
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,480
and you got a great voice. It
sounds like you gargle with

462
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,520
razor blades. Very very extra,
very marketable.

463
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:46,059
Oh, voiceover could be in your
your future as well. That's a

464
00:26:46,059 --> 00:26:48,639
little raspy. You got characters
and stuff like that you can

465
00:26:48,639 --> 00:26:48,939
conjure

466
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:51,160
up, I guess. Don't

467
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,860
spread them thin. Jim, well, you
know

468
00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:57,880
that's that's what I know. Too
much on me. Yeah, that's right.

469
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,760
What's your schedule like during
the week? Do you try to write

470
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,620
every day.

471
00:27:01,619 --> 00:27:05,099
Right now I'm in major studio
mode. Okay, so you're recording

472
00:27:05,099 --> 00:27:08,399
mode. So yeah, like today, I was
doing vocals all day, today with

473
00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:12,659
Neil, with Neil and Patrick,
we're in a good spot. We're

474
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:19,139
knocking them out. And I'll,
after I leave here and go home,

475
00:27:19,139 --> 00:27:22,999
I will start digging into
writing the solos and intro

476
00:27:22,999 --> 00:27:26,959
riffs, which is, I'll get into
guitars next week, and then I'll

477
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,899
do, and I'll play all the riffs
and lead parts and stuff on

478
00:27:29,899 --> 00:27:33,019
that. But I get pretty in the
weeds about,

479
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,000
you're a guitar guy, I mean, and
that's, that's the thing that

480
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,660
impressed me. I heard you play
that first time, and I was like,

481
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:43,540
oh, that's, I haven't heard that
in quite

482
00:27:43,540 --> 00:27:46,600
some time. Come along, and,
yeah, since Keith, Keith,

483
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,500
I mean, Brad, was like, Oh,
yeah. But, I mean, here's my

484
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:54,220
question, what's well, I'll
first ask this as you get into

485
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:58,000
Guitar World, why, you know the
chicken picking type stuff,

486
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,920
obviously you're proficient at
why wouldn't somebody do, like,

487
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,580
bring in some EVH finger tapping
and all that stuff. Have you

488
00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:09,000
ever tried that, like, in terms
of just a totally different

489
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,180
sound and merging the two styles
to be cool, to get it? That

490
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:14,700
would be really cool. Because I
always thought, like, you know,

491
00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:18,300
oh man, if Eddie Van Halen ever
did like, a duet with Ricky

492
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:22,700
Skaggs, Wouldn't that just be
amazing. It would be, don't just

493
00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:26,000
be incredible to have seen you
laughing at

494
00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:28,400
me. Jim is just just, he's
really selling it.

495
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,140
He's rolling his eyes back like
The Exorcist.

496
00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:38,480
He really wants to hear that he
does pleasure. We could do it

497
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,060
with AI. I mean, we totally, I

498
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:44,800
actually made a picture through
AI of Eddie Van Halen and Ricky

499
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,220
Skaggs. It's some it's on my
Facebook, yeah, my God. And I

500
00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:50,560
said, If only that could have
happened. Because, I mean, you

501
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,260
know, because you have, like,
the Bluegrass really fast

502
00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:57,100
picking and in conjunction with
what Eddie did, I mean, you

503
00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:00,220
know, just revolutionizing the
guitar sound. I mean, that's, I

504
00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:02,520
don't know, totally, so you're
welcome if it works.

505
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,620
I mean, dude, Neil and Neil and
Patrick are, you know, Neil's a

506
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:11,460
singer, a singer's singer. I
mean, his demos sound like

507
00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:14,880
records like LD would be like,
Wow, I gotta, I gotta beat that.

508
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Or I gotta, I gotta try to come
close to it. Or, you know, it's

509
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,920
just, he's got, like, an unfair
advantage. I mean, he's selling

510
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,260
the song with his he can

511
00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:25,400
really sell the song. So he's
that's got to be pretty awesome

512
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,340
for him to really just, like,
hover over that and make sure

513
00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:30,800
that quality is there. And then
when you go to your guitar

514
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,740
stuff, he's just kind of, he's
overseeing it, right? He's

515
00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:38,240
overseeing it. But he's like,
this, all right, I'll spend a

516
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,900
couple hours, like, getting a
solo, like, right? Where I feel

517
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:43,660
like I want it, where it's not
phoned in, like it's like, I

518
00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:46,360
feel like it's fitting the song,
right? And then, and I'll play

519
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,940
it, and be like, play again,
play and just start humming a

520
00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:55,480
different melody line in one
certain spot. He's not playing

521
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480
it, he's doing it in his head.
And then I'll be like, Oh, dude,

522
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,460
I love that. And. Transpose it
into that. So we kind of ping

523
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:06,720
pong like and Patrick too, but
Neil on the on the melody lines,

524
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,680
and he's such a great singer,
just doing vocals with with them

525
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,660
today. Yeah, it's making me a
better singer. Being in the

526
00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:19,560
studio with guys like that, you
know, can take my stuff to the

527
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,460
next level, because you're
surround yourself with somebody

528
00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:23,480
that's, you know,

529
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,360
surround yourself with
greatness, yeah. Now, when you

530
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,900
do your guitar, so you say
you're writing things, so do you

531
00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:33,080
do? You plan everything, note
for note, and then you've got to

532
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,240
just execute. Or are you going
for, like, ad, you know, Latin,

533
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:41,560
ad libitum, you know, like we're
ad libbing in the moment. Let's

534
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,080
hear that back. And then you're
just going for it, and then

535
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,960
trying to find a magical one
with both. Yeah, okay, both.

536
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,260
So I'll come in with, like, A, B
and C options before I play it

537
00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:52,540
to them. And it's like, All
right, here's where I'm and it

538
00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:55,480
takes a while to get there, just
because I'm I'm nutty about it,

539
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,100
man, yeah, well, it's for

540
00:30:57,099 --> 00:31:00,159
all time. You're gonna hear
yourself in target. You're gonna

541
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:05,879
hear yourself in restaurants,
elevators, I hope supermarkets.

542
00:31:05,879 --> 00:31:05,939
I

543
00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:08,760
want to love it when it comes on
as much as I love you know what

544
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,540
I mean? Yeah, and so now play it
for them and see which one. And

545
00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:16,020
then some takes, dude, you know,
it'll take me. I've done that. I

546
00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:20,100
saw those 100 times before on
tape. Oh, wow. Well, tape, but

547
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,060
you know what I mean? You know,
just to get the right one where

548
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:25,580
it's like, no, that's not right,
the time is not right. Does not

549
00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:28,280
hit me right, or that bend is
not where it needs to be, and

550
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,700
they can fix it, but it's like,
it's not the same. What take

551
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,420
looking for that magic take,
which is in the weeds you could

552
00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:39,200
drive yourself. It drives them
nuts. Ask Neil and Pat next time

553
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,240
about doing guitars for me,

554
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,839
there's actually, if you ever
watch the documentary Metallica

555
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,899
did back in the early 90s, some
kind of monster, no, no. Even

556
00:31:46,899 --> 00:31:50,739
before that, this was they did.
They put out a big box set

557
00:31:51,459 --> 00:31:56,199
documenting the the creation of
the Black Album. Nice. And Kirk

558
00:31:56,259 --> 00:31:59,019
is actually trying to come up
with a guitar solo for the

559
00:31:59,019 --> 00:32:02,579
unforgiven. And Lars is in the
background. And the camera crews

560
00:32:02,579 --> 00:32:05,519
like, getting, you know, trying
to get in, in the moment, takes

561
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:10,319
of Kirk just trying to find that
solo and get Lars is in the back

562
00:32:10,439 --> 00:32:13,739
listening to this, like,
cringing, because Kirk is, like,

563
00:32:13,739 --> 00:32:16,799
off in left field, yeah. He's
just not fine. He's searching.

564
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,259
And then, like, Kirk, kind of,
you know, you know, Lars is

565
00:32:19,259 --> 00:32:22,099
cringing, doing these kinds of
things and then making sure that

566
00:32:22,099 --> 00:32:25,459
Kirk's not seeing them. And then
Kirk finally looks over Lars is

567
00:32:29,779 --> 00:32:32,419
like but I mean, they spent 10
months in the studio, making

568
00:32:32,419 --> 00:32:34,039
that album, creating the songs.

569
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:38,000
That's insane. He's not writing
the songs in the studio. Yeah,

570
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,560
that's a world that we're in
today's day and age of

571
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,080
Nashville. We know nothing about
at least, I don't,

572
00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:48,820
for those listening that don't
know, they're nothing. We are

573
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:53,620
the city of efficiency. I mean,
the musicians are so good here,

574
00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:57,280
and the process is so
streamlined. We are going into

575
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,980
the studio with an agenda,
there's a budget, there's a

576
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:03,720
timeline we execute. We have to
paint within the numbers. We

577
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,160
gotta make our Mona Lisas in a
certain period of time, which

578
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,280
actually is a good thing. But
wouldn't it be cool to go to a

579
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,900
destination studio sometime,
like, say, in Jamaica, for like

580
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,240
two weeks, and like, get to the
studio till on 11am you've had

581
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,720
your mango and your papaya,
you've had your coconut juice.

582
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,600
You hang out there's catering
and just chilling. And then at

583
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,840
night, you go to the pool that
it's so rare that's never done

584
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,980
that. That's

585
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:34,760
that would be talk about being
in a creative place, yeah, where

586
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,660
you could turn all the bullshit
off. Yeah? And there is no, we

587
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,340
only have it till here you get
in, locked in, in a creative you

588
00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:48,220
know, it would be unbelievable.
Yeah, it's a dream of mine to

589
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:49,000
make a record like

590
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,180
that'd be cool. Back to my
question that we never, we never

591
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:55,000
asked. Answered this. Okay,
guys, why not incorporate those

592
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,220
types of, types of styles, you
know, have you ever done like

593
00:33:57,220 --> 00:34:01,840
the finger tapping thing that he
does? No, I haven't. I guess

594
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,540
that would be a good rule.
That's See, I feel

595
00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:06,780
like, but that was a snapshot in
time. The this, it was the

596
00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:09,360
Sunset Strip. It was, you know,
it was like, it was, it was a

597
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,140
thing. It was a technique that
was attached to that thing.

598
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:13,620
That's

599
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:16,080
what made him a Guitar Hero,
yeah, yeah, okay, and that's

600
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,020
what put him on the map. Was
eruption, yeah, right. It's

601
00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:23,900
true. But, I mean, why not try
and bring it in? What would be?

602
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:26,960
I mean, not only a good two a
guitar player can answer that. I

603
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,620
We're drummers, yeah, so, well,
it's, what's the answer?

604
00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:34,940
Now, man, it might be the same
reason why, like, super fast

605
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:38,360
double bass is, is going to be
gratuitous and not appropriate

606
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,140
for Ben's music.

607
00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:42,880
Well, true, true. But, I mean,
country is getting very hard

608
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,660
rockified.

609
00:34:43,660 --> 00:34:45,760
No god, there's some bands out
there that are, like, straight

610
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,160
up hanging their hat on, like we
are metal with country story,

611
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,180
country lyric, right?

612
00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:55,900
Yeah. It's very interesting,
yeah. So, I mean, what? What

613
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:59,140
would be your like, other than,
well, hey, what if I were to try

614
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:03,480
this? What? What would make you
want to try it? See, I kind of,

615
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:08,100
I lean in there a little bit
now, actually, just not to the

616
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:12,480
extent of the tapping, you know,
where I'll do, like, I'm not a

617
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,420
chicken picker. Like, you know,
Brent Mason, let's just say him,

618
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:19,380
right? He's like, Yeah. One of
the best yeah of all time. My

619
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:23,180
chicken pick, my hybrid picking
is a little bit, it's not as 90s

620
00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:27,260
country, but there's a flare in
there, chicken camp chicken, you

621
00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:30,380
know, where it's not the full
blown deal, it's just a hint of

622
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:33,680
there. And then I feel like I
also get a little bit of rock

623
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:36,380
and like, if you if you listen
to some of the solos and some of

624
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:38,600
the songs, you'll hear every now
and then there'll be a little

625
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,260
chicken pick and run type of
thing, but then it'll go into,

626
00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:45,040
you know, something that's
that's a little more classic

627
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,000
rock esque. I

628
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,760
think it's great. I think you're
moving the needle. And so who,

629
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,520
who are your Mount Rushmore. I

630
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,280
was going to say, what song made
you pick up a guitar? Ah, yeah,

631
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,000
man. Like, do

632
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,960
you remember that moment? Like,
oh, that's what I want

633
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,920
to do. Here's the thing, dude,
this is crazy for me. It wasn't

634
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,120
a song, so just growing up
around 90s country, but I would,

635
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:11,100
I would pound on soup cans.
Well, did you start as a

636
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,280
drummer? Right? Yeah, yeah, with
pencils. My folks thought saw

637
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,920
that. It was like, there's some,
you know, some. But nobody in my

638
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,440
family was musical. It's a total
God, nothing. Yeah, no kidding,

639
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:24,440
I'm the black sheep of the
family man. Wow, yeah, like John

640
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Anderson song. Oh no, yeah.

641
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,380
Crazy. Then my folks got me a
guitar, and I just took to that.

642
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,500
And all all the while, 90s
country was playing. You know,

643
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:39,740
Black Hawk was early, Tim
McCarthy records, John Anderson,

644
00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:43,540
Tracy Lawrence, Chris Black, you
name it, yes. Yes to all of

645
00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:47,440
that. Not even Brooks, Brooks
and Dunn not even one in

646
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,980
specific, just all of it. And
that's when I got the bug, early

647
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:54,220
on and heard Brent at the time.
I didn't know a lot of that

648
00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:59,260
stuff was Brent. And I was like,
man, sonically, it sounded so

649
00:36:59,260 --> 00:37:02,220
unlike anything I've ever heard.
Have you gotten friendly with

650
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:05,400
Brent? No, I don't know him
well. I did session with him

651
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,040
before, and it was fantastic,
and it's awesome, but I don't I

652
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,020
haven't spent too much time with
him.

653
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,140
Yeah, man. And now, what about

654
00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:17,640
vocals? Who was a guy that, or
gal it? That is just like, super

655
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,300
like, whoa.

656
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,920
Vince Gill, yeah. Okay, and I
sound nothing like Vince Gill,

657
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,680
but when you hear I was like,
Oh, my God, seems

658
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,960
like an angel. But, you know,
guitar

659
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,680
wise, too, he makes, makes every
note count, yeah. And place that

660
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,440
Liza, Jane, just feels so good.
You know, like kids come to me,

661
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,600
they want to learn a train beat.
And I say, like, train beats

662
00:37:35,660 --> 00:37:39,620
don't all have to be super fast.
This is a mid tempo, like, Damn

663
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,200
skin, skin game. It on skin. Now
you got to keep that for three

664
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,220
and a half minutes. And it's a
feeling, you know, so, so cool.

665
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,840
Liza Jane, we play that live
sometimes, yeah, yeah, that's

666
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,220
chicken figure. That's a good
one.

667
00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaking of train beats, when I
did the Huey gig, yeah, we

668
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,220
played Honky Tonk blues, yeah.
Did you notice my train beat?

669
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,380
But it was actually more it was,
it wasn't a left, right, left,

670
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:07,680
right. It was on the right. Yes.

671
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,680
Like, it just, it's basically a
fast rock beat, but it, you're

672
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,980
mimicking the train going down
the tracks. Very consistent,

673
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:16,800
very good. Jim. Like, don't stop
playing, Jim. I'm not going to,

674
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,200
yeah, he's good. Now you're the
track Jim. Jim is, I'm not gonna

675
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,680
call him a closet drummer. He is
a drummer, he is a drummer

676
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,380
because once you're a drummer,
you're always a drummer. But he

677
00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:27,200
hadn't played publicly for 18
years, and then all of a sudden,

678
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,020
he plays in this band at the
city winery. And me and my buddy

679
00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:33,320
Luis Espaillat, bass player, we
went and had some flatbread and

680
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,400
watched Jim rock out. Man was
great. He says he was just like,

681
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:40,900
it was like, wearing an old pair
of shoes. It comes back. You

682
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:41,080
know,

683
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:43,900
I took me about three months to
prepare for it, you know. And

684
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,540
it's a good thing that I did,
because I lost my ears halfway

685
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:47,020
through.

686
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:49,420
Oh, that's a nightmare. And he
had to play without a click, and

687
00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:50,620
it sounded great. Yeah, we're

688
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:53,320
playing the tracks with a click,
and everything is your anxiety

689
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,460
level. Like, it was literally,
like, at this age of my life, I

690
00:38:57,460 --> 00:39:00,900
don't freak out about much
anymore. I just literally, it

691
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:03,300
was right in the middle of a
song. We were going from a

692
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:07,920
couple days off into boys are
back in town, and in between is

693
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,860
like a New Orleanian shuffle,
kind of things. And I'm I'm

694
00:39:10,860 --> 00:39:14,280
listening to, it's just me and
the piano player, and I'm

695
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,920
listening for the cues that he's
kind of putting because he

696
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,040
wasn't playing exactly how they
did it live, and I was playing

697
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,300
exactly what I listened to, you
know? And all of a sudden, I'm

698
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,700
just, I'm listening to what he's
playing. Okay? He's coming up to

699
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:27,500
that part, and all of a sudden,
done. I'm going

700
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,980
where he's it's a weird feeling,
right?

701
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Well, it's Oh crap. How do I
tell everybody I have no ears?

702
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,720
Well, good thing that couple
days or boys are back in town.

703
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,440
We don't really need a click. So
I can finish that off from pure

704
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,160
memory. But how are we going to
do want a new drug that's got a

705
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,920
click, that's got tracks video
the whole nine year, the whole

706
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,760
thing is flashing before you're
oh gosh, I'm like, a bad place

707
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,880
to be. It was all memory I had
because I couldn't hear the

708
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,420
band. I mean, I blew my
headphones off. I was playing

709
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,560
just raw what I could hear. You
know, I haven't played raw

710
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,480
cymbal volume in years.

711
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:07,260
Oh, it's, it's a drum set is
like a jet airliner taking off,

712
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:10,740
you know, I mean, it's like a
jet airliner was 100 is like 120

713
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,760
decibels. And the average drum
set could be somewhere between,

714
00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:18,720
you know, 85 to 120 the way I
play it's is around 120

715
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:23,840
thankfully, the singer Roger the
Huey, yeah. I think the same

716
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,420
thing happened to him. He
couldn't hear either, so we're

717
00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:28,400
just looking at each other. He's
like, Yeah, I got nothing

718
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,520
either. I'm like, okay, the show
has to go on. I said

719
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,600
I gotta go on. I had to play it
in those moments. But it's not,

720
00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:38,480
you know, it's not as not a pool
you want to swim in.

721
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:43,720
That's right, yeah, dead
battery. Dead battery. That's

722
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:44,500
what it was

723
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,800
in the little box that I plugged
into. Yeah.

724
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,800
Man, didn't even notice it. Jim,
of course, I was talking to a

725
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:57,220
million people that really
paying attention, but if you're

726
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:59,740
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make your podcast sound like it
should. That was

752
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,880
great. I like that city winery.
It's like it's been there

753
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,540
forever, and in the last year
I've been there so many times, a

754
00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:34,760
nice little venue. Yeah, that's
cool. It's cool thing you ever

755
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,620
played the city never played
there, but I've been there.

756
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:40,040
Yeah. And then, so what kind of
venues are you doing now when

757
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,440
you headline. So

758
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,620
it's like, we're in the if we're
headlining, it's smaller clubs.

759
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:47,320
Yeah? It's nice. You know, it's
small. The fans are right there

760
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,380
in theaters. Yeah? I like
theaters. Um, I love playing

761
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:53,680
solo acoustic in a theater,
yeah? Dead quiet, man. You can

762
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,740
really deliver a song in a in a
setting like that, where it's

763
00:42:56,740 --> 00:43:01,020
like, story, lyric and a melody,
blowing, blowing it down,

764
00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:04,260
natural verb in a place like
that. I, I like theaters because

765
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:06,780
they're, they're always haunted.
And there's, they're usually

766
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:09,240
they've been there 100 years. I
don't do ghosts. You know what?

767
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,320
I mean? Yeah,

768
00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:12,480
there's a lot of ghosts in
Pennsylvania,

769
00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:15,720
Gettysburg. Yes, every you ever

770
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,440
see the videos of them driving a
Tesla through Lake Gettysburg,

771
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,540
or cemeteries, because Tesla, it
can pick up pedestrians right on

772
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:26,660
the little thing that they have.
Yeah, and, you know, people have

773
00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:30,260
driven through, like, old Civil
War cemeteries and stuff, and

774
00:43:30,260 --> 00:43:32,960
they're picking up humans. But
there's nothing there,

775
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,520
what? Yeah, there's a watch.
Look it up on YouTube.

776
00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:40,040
Wow. Another thing to distract
myself with.

777
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:44,680
So, you know you're, you're, I'm
trying to think with generation.

778
00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:45,940
Are you a millennial?

779
00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:50,020
Yeah, 33 I was born in 92

780
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,160
Yeah, you might be your I'm an
ex.

781
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,800
Yeah, millennial. I guess I'm
just trying

782
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,260
to think so when you go to home
at night and you watch

783
00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:02,880
television with your family, do
you watch YouTube? Or do you

784
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,700
watch, you know, normal TV,
Hulu, Amazon Prime, all that

785
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:06,060
kind of

786
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:09,060
stuff. Yeah. So usually, like,
whenever, whenever I'm done

787
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,360
music, when I'm just like,
everything's done for the day.

788
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,380
Be like, I don't know, usually
around 830 or nine, and my wife

789
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:20,480
will we have a 10 month old at
home. He goes down, sleeps

790
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,660
really good. Oh, that's great,
amazing. God bless you. Put him

791
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:27,380
down. And then, like 830 or
nine, we'll watch one or two

792
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:32,060
episodes something, and then
then that'll be it, yeah, but

793
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:34,400
we're What do you guys watch? Is
there anything good we could be

794
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,860
watching right now? There's a
thing on Netflix

795
00:44:36,860 --> 00:44:38,120
that people are talking about

796
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,880
called the waterfront. Oh yeah.
What happened to primal? Oh

797
00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:41,680
yeah. I there

798
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,320
for a while. I was on this kick
where I just binged this series

799
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,280
called primalism, like an adult
animated series about a caveman

800
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,140
that befriends a T Rex and
they're like best friends. It

801
00:44:53,140 --> 00:44:56,080
was incredibly violent, and I
loved it. That's great.

802
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,260
It's a cartoon. Yeah. We watched
a couple of episodes. My wife

803
00:44:59,260 --> 00:45:00,060
and I. Oh,

804
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,200
like, why are we watching this?
Seal Team,

805
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,960
SEAL team. What's that

806
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:13,020
on? I don't maybe Hulu, one of
those. Yeah, there's, like, six

807
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:15,480
seasons or something. Oh, my,
that's the one thing I don't

808
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,480
want to get locked in. If it's
like, yeah,

809
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:22,760
oh, man, are you guys like me,
where, you know, my wife will

810
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,920
binge watch a lot of she likes
to have stuff on in the

811
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,640
background, yeah. So she'll
watch a lot of stuff while she's

812
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,560
doing other things. But how
could she pay attention

813
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,280
to the plot she does? She's just
got that money that I'm all or

814
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:34,460
not,

815
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:38,900
we're men. We can't So, I mean,
it's like, if I am watching

816
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:41,200
something, it better grab me in
the first five minutes.

817
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,840
Otherwise, I just, I don't wanna
pay any attention.

818
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,900
Six seasons is a massive
commitment, you know, and

819
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:49,720
especially if you start watching
something at nine o'clock at

820
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,320
night, give me an hour and a
half movie in and out. But if I

821
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,380
open up Pandora's box and I'm
loving a series and you started

822
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:58,720
at nine o'clock at night,
there's the potential to stay up

823
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,200
way too late and it screws up
your whole day. Next day, it can

824
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:01,920
be dangerous, yeah,

825
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,880
it can be but be dangerous for
me. I re watch a lot of stuff,

826
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:09,840
really, yeah, I have, like, the
Marvel movies I've seen hundreds

827
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,500
of times, see

828
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:14,040
I can't re watch nothing. I feel
like I'm wasting my I'm like,

829
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,160
I'm like, Huh? I was like, I
can't see that again. It was

830
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,320
great, yeah, but I want to see
something else. Yeah,

831
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,280
you'll actually pick up. Like,
when you do stuff and you re

832
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,320
watch stuff, as you get older,
you pick up other things about

833
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,160
those movies. Like, for example,
I'm re watching the matrix all

834
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,100
those movies, I'm picking up a
lot of stuff. Are they missed

835
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:34,580
before?

836
00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:37,100
Yeah, I can see that. Plus, it's
great to just see people in

837
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:37,700
leather,

838
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:42,460
yeah? Well, even latex, yeah,
latex. Have you guys, have you

839
00:46:42,460 --> 00:46:44,980
watched re watch Jaws yet? It's
its 50th,

840
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:46,360
50th anniversary.

841
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,640
Really need to know? Yeah, it's
coming

842
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,560
out in the theaters at the end
of the month. We should go see

843
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,400
it. Let's go do it.

844
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,500
It'll be a guy's night. We'll go
see jaws, and then we'll go to

845
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,560
Robert's Western world. Because
Jim has never been to Roberts,

846
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:59,740
never 20. It's like, what's
wrong shot in time, where we'll

847
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:02,400
wear our pearl snap shirts. You
and I will go matching Pearl

848
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:02,880
snaps. He's

849
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,520
10 gallon Jim. Yeah, I have a
head big

850
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,360
enough for it. That's

851
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,820
for sure. Gonna get a fried
bologna sandwich and some

852
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:10,920
crinkle fries. And that occurs
original.

853
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,440
You could have got one at
Paradise park, but it ain't

854
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,140
there no more. Yeah, how's it to
go away? I think didn't

855
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,200
it? Well, I just never got it.
Well, bon Joey's got that new

856
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,560
place that used to be merchants,
that was one of our, you know,

857
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,440
five star restaurants. And now
it's a, it's a really nice

858
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,660
looking stage. The drummer's up
super high, and then the singer

859
00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:29,480
is here. Then there's all these,
like, parapets where people can

860
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,000
stand. It's like a rock concert.
Yeah? It's crazy.

861
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,540
I tell you about my story about
jbjs, when I went there, no, I

862
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:36,500
got recognized,

863
00:47:36,860 --> 00:47:38,300
oh, yeah, yeah, by a fellow
drummer.

864
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,740
Yeah. It overlooks the drummer.
And my brother and I, and my

865
00:47:41,740 --> 00:47:44,080
brother was visiting, and we
were just hanging out and just

866
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,300
listening to the band, and I
went over to the rail and was

867
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:48,520
just watching the drummer
because, you know, yeah, and all

868
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,560
of a sudden, he kind of looks up
and

869
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,500
he double takes, you're Jim
McCarthy, hey, you're Jim

870
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:58,000
McCarthy. Yes, I am, though,
don't ever forget that. Hey,

871
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,340
so Ben, you, you're part of your
coming up and your music

872
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:05,760
education and getting your
10,000 hours is used to play

873
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,100
prisons. That's, that's an
amazing tell us about this

874
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,980
story, because that is, like,
super cool, super brave, because

875
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:13,680
I, I have a drummer friend. His
name is Zorro. He played with

876
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,220
uh, Lenny Kravitz for a long
time, but he does motivational

877
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:22,040
speeches. He actually did a
speech at San Quentin, no kid,

878
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,820
yeah, so you were, but you know
you were doing big boy prisons,

879
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:26,360
right? State?

880
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,900
That's Max security, Max. That's
where I'm at, Jim, I'm just

881
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:30,200
kidding.

882
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,520
Yeah, no, we can talk about
that. That's totally cool.

883
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,140
Man. Friend of mine,

884
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,380
back in 2011 his name's Chris
Hall. He worked at one of the

885
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:45,940
state prisons near where I was
from, yeah and from. And he

886
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:49,000
said, Hey, man, we're thinking
about doing something different

887
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,220
this year. You ever think about
coming and playing for the

888
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:55,420
inmates? Said, No, I thought
about coming and playing for the

889
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:58,240
inmates. Be completely honest
with you, I've never thought of

890
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,280
doing Yeah, no, but it reminded

891
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,540
me of Johnny Cash. And I was
like, All right, man. I was 19.

892
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:08,580
I was like, I'll go in the first
one Max security. Bring my

893
00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:14,160
speakers in, solo acoustic. 250
inmates, buddy. Yeah, that's

894
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,200
good. 250 inmates in the
gymnasium. I got my speakers set

895
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:25,520
up half court. Go in there. It
was unbelievable. You could hear

896
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,700
a pin drop in that place. Guys
are hanging on to every word.

897
00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:34,700
The star for entertainment. Man,
captive audience. Yeah, big

898
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:39,260
time. Where's the symbol? Not
out. No, seriously, it was, it

899
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,320
was really moving experience,
and that kind of spread to all

900
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,540
the other state prisons in
Pennsylvania. So my phone

901
00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:49,840
started ringing to do shows. I
was like, Well, I'm gonna, I'm

902
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:54,940
gonna start doing a prison tour.
And I've hit just about all of

903
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:57,700
them. I did it for 10 years, and
then all the ones in the state,

904
00:49:57,940 --> 00:50:01,440
almost. But state, yeah, not.
County ones. These are state. I

905
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,700
mean, it's like, I even get it.
They give me a necklace. I call

906
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:09,720
it the OH SHIT button. And it's
like they say, Hey, if anything

907
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:13,860
ever goes down, press that
button. You're you run right

908
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:16,860
into this room right here, and
it locks and it'll notify all

909
00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:19,260
the guards on the in the whole
prison. They'll come down.

910
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,240
There's no, I've never had an
issue, but there could have

911
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,740
been, you never know, you know,
but the feedback, man, I got and

912
00:50:27,740 --> 00:50:31,040
on, whether it was new songs or
from family members that reached

913
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,220
out, or whatever that had talked
to, whoever it was that was, it

914
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:38,180
was in guys, you know, sometimes
I get chance to talk to him

915
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:42,280
after the show. I'll never
forget this. I tell the story

916
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,200
all the time. The dude comes up
and says, Man, I've been in here

917
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,720
for 20 years, and I hate country
music, but I gotta tell you, the

918
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:57,100
songs just changed my whole
outlook on life. So when I get

919
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:01,920
here, when I get out of here, I
want to chase my dream too. And

920
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,580
it's like, as an artist and a
summer, that's why you that's

921
00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:08,640
why you do it, to have a
positive impact on somebody

922
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,880
through your music. And you
know, to hear something like

923
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,220
that. And then again, that's,
that's really what fueled me to

924
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:17,880
keep going back year after year.
You're you got to think, man,

925
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,160
I'm playing songs to guys that
are really in their lowest

926
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,300
point, yeah, you mean the
darkest of dark. You know, in

927
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:28,940
there, there's some guys that
are, you know, in their 90s,

928
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:31,520
have been there for life, and
they're coming in on

929
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,240
wheelchairs.

930
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:35,540
Oh, my God, think about it.
They're institutionalized at

931
00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:40,720
that point. I mean, eating that
food for 90 you remember? You

932
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,200
remember Shawshank, of course.
What? That's a movie for dead. I

933
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:44,980
like to re watch.

934
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,800
Yeah, that's her definite re
watcher. Great movie.

935
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:49,480
I'll get messages from,

936
00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:53,740
you know, when I, when I was
doing it, I would get messages

937
00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:59,620
from a family member, hey, talk
to Johnny. What's his name? Last

938
00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:02,520
week on the phone, and I haven't
heard him that happy in 10

939
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,000
years. He said you took him out
of prison for 90 minutes. And

940
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,520
it's like, wow, man. Like, yeah,
that's the, you know, that's the

941
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,120
beauty of music. You know, it's
so universal, whether it's a bar

942
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,980
or a church or in a prison, you
know, to contact, to connect.

943
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:21,740
You know through lyrics,

944
00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:25,640
sense, it transcends language
barriers, cultural

945
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,720
barriers. No doubt,

946
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,920
you know not to take it to the
drums. But I always, I always

947
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,040
tell my students, like, look at
if you got a mean back beat, you

948
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,940
could travel the world, and you
will experience people, places,

949
00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:41,380
cultures, you know
circumstances, opportunities

950
00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:45,280
will pra will cross your path.
You think it's just just playing

951
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,160
Boom Crack. But if you can do
that, and you could play it at

952
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,740
the highest of levels, and you
elevate it to high art, and

953
00:52:50,740 --> 00:52:54,220
you're a team player, and you
make people's music come to

954
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:58,420
life, you can travel the world
for free, and doors will open

955
00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:01,620
for you. It's like, it's very
powerful man. You know that's

956
00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:06,180
that's my version of, no doubt,
of of trying to change people's

957
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:09,120
lives and and you did that, and
you felt that. That guy that

958
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,700
said, hey, when I get out, I
want to chase my did he tell you

959
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:13,440
what his dream was? But he never
did.

960
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,420
No, but I'll tell you this
several times. I will be playing

961
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,980
somewhere in Pennsylvania on a
public, public show, and they're

962
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:24,560
at the merch stand. Afterwards,
I'll do a meet and greet, talk

963
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,520
to people and sign. And here
comes somebody and says, Hey,

964
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,180
man, my name is so and so I saw
you at

965
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:35,240
the Fayette prison in 2013

966
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:39,740
and I just got out and saw your
coming and wanted to bring my

967
00:53:39,740 --> 00:53:42,400
family. You know, it just meant
so much. You know, it's like

968
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,220
that happened. That's happened
many times. Man, always wanted

969
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,680
to see a full band, because
you're so acoustic. Would never

970
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,920
forget that time came in and
played for us back and, you

971
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,300
know, so it's cool. Man, it was
a is, you know, it's a gift to

972
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:58,180
be able to go in there and play
and play and share music with,

973
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,600
you know, with those guys. You
did that for a decade. Yeah,

974
00:54:00,660 --> 00:54:04,440
COVID was the last year I jacked
everything up. And so that year

975
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,420
I filmed them in a studio and
sent it, sent each prison one to

976
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:12,000
where they could play it on the
channel, because nobody can come

977
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,480
in. That's cool, man. That one
was virtual. And then after

978
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,540
that, it was like, I'm not
saying I wouldn't do it again.

979
00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:21,560
I'd love to do an EP live at
such and such state prison would

980
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,820
be cool. But 10 years seemed
like a good that's a good run.

981
00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:29,540
It's a good run. And for now, I
was like, I think I put a cap,

982
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,260
you know, I think

983
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,700
on it for now, go on, on top,
like Seinfeld, you

984
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,080
so, I mean, there was nothing
like no chicken wire, nothing do

985
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,140
you were just exposed to the
prisoners. Oh,

986
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:45,400
my word. Yeah, it was 15, less
than 15 yards away, wow. And

987
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,380
it's like, I tell you what I
learned a lot being a musician

988
00:54:50,380 --> 00:54:55,720
and an artist. One time I was
playing and I was like, I don't

989
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,480
know, maybe a quarter of the way
through the show, and I don't

990
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,800
have anybody with me. It's just.
Me myself, and I, I broke a

991
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,600
string, and I'm like, All right,
this is the first time, you

992
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,960
know, in a situation like that,
there is no tech, there's no

993
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,140
some way that can hand you
something else. Shows, got to go

994
00:55:13,140 --> 00:55:16,440
on, man. And you got, I don't
know what's going to happen in

995
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,720
here if they get out of hand,
right? You know, you're changing

996
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,020
your string and telling them
stories, yeah, and talking at

997
00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:23,960
the same time. That's the first
time as, like, learned. I'm

998
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,300
thinking, it's like, total
anxiety at the time. How am I

999
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:29,960
going to keep this going?
Because if I, if I stop playing,

1000
00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:32,180
you know, they're not all
friends in there,

1001
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,960
but there's guards. There's
guards everywhere, right?

1002
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,960
Three guards, three guards,
three guards. And the leg alert

1003
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,200
he's got around his neck, three
guards for 250

1004
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:44,500
guys, yeah? And they don't have
any stick. They don't have

1005
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:47,740
anything on them. Because, you
know, if something gets out of

1006
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:50,080
control, then that, then they
don't have them anymore. They're

1007
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,160
bare hands. So I do that
definitely. It's not overly

1008
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,420
guarded, yeah? So I'm thinking,
all right, I gotta keep this

1009
00:55:58,420 --> 00:56:02,460
show going and and this good
vibe that's happening because I

1010
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:06,720
don't want these dudes and these
dudes to start, yeah, oh, man,

1011
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:13,560
oh, so I ended up like, changing
and talking at the same time and

1012
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,500
started saying, I think it was
drift away,

1013
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:20,460
give me the B boys free my soul,

1014
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:23,780
and that the whole place is
singing now, while I'm finishing

1015
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:27,380
my you did acapella, yeah, just
while you're getting them

1016
00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:27,620
saying,

1017
00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:30,260
because I knew they knew it. So
I'm gonna start something

1018
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,680
acapella, and that let it is
like they're all feeling it

1019
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,200
where, then it's not this
awkward thing, you know? It's

1020
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,500
like, show's got to go on, and I
can't lose these guys, or

1021
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:41,500
I don't know what's gonna
happen, right? Right, right.

1022
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:43,600
Music. So this is a savage
beast.

1023
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,140
Oh, my God, that's that's how
Dean's go to karaoke song. Are

1024
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:48,100
you serious? Yeah.

1025
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,800
So let me ask you, so when
you're singing that song, is

1026
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,660
there video of this at all? I
mean,

1027
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,020
on YouTube, there's a mini doc.
It's like two minutes long. I

1028
00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:58,960
had a guy come in, finally got
permission to bring in a camera

1029
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,300
and stuff, which was law like
hoops to go through, and it's on

1030
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:06,780
YouTube, and it's a little two
minute thing, one guy's being

1031
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:07,440
interviewed,

1032
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:11,100
and it shows me going in there
and playing it's pretty cool

1033
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:11,520
piece.

1034
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:16,800
I don't understand if majority
of the inmates were in this one

1035
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,220
location, then the guards were
not needed at other locations.

1036
00:57:20,220 --> 00:57:23,780
Why didn't they just get a bunch
of guards? I don't know. You

1037
00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:28,040
know what I mean. If there's 20
guards in the prison and all the

1038
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,380
inmates are at the show, they
should have 20.

1039
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,440
No, they're not all at the show.
Oh, I'm playing in front of 250

1040
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:36,320
people. Have a prison that's got
3000 people,

1041
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,260
so, like, really well behaved,
most likely, hey,

1042
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,040
this is like a, like a

1043
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,580
reward, no, even the bad can be
in there. Yeah. I mean, if

1044
00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:48,160
you're under, if you're in the
whatever, it's called

1045
00:57:49,180 --> 00:57:50,440
solitary, yeah,

1046
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:52,480
I wouldn't last one day, guys.

1047
00:57:52,660 --> 00:57:55,720
So the thing is, I gotta ask,
and this is the most obvious

1048
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,380
question, I think, especially
knowing what pays well and what

1049
00:57:59,380 --> 00:58:02,880
doesn't in your experience in
this industry, not being

1050
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,240
specific, were they good paying
gigs at least? I mean, because

1051
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,000
you can, you want me to do what
I'm going to make it

1052
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,400
worth my while at least? Yeah,
but some shows, you just do it

1053
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,060
because you love

1054
00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:14,520
it, man, oh, yeah, of course.
But you know, you gotta still

1055
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:15,840
make a living. Yeah,

1056
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:18,360
that's different. Those shows
are just different. They're in a

1057
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,140
different category, though,
yeah, philanthropy, yeah,

1058
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:22,820
there's just a different, you
know,

1059
00:58:24,380 --> 00:58:27,200
it's more. They gave you chops
as an entertainer.

1060
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,320
Learn so much just from that
story manager is stuff like that

1061
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,380
was all the time. And then route
one I had, I did have one that

1062
00:58:33,380 --> 00:58:36,680
was like, I don't know how this
is gonna go. And they, they

1063
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,200
weren't really into I would
play, like, think I broke into

1064
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,960
some like, country boy can't
survive, or something like that.

1065
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,840
I'd play an old Merle song. I'd
do mostly originals, but a

1066
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,180
handful of covers, but they
didn't really like the old

1067
00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:53,020
school country music covers, you
know? And I was like, and I

1068
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:56,020
could kind of vibe that I'm
reading the crowd, and I'm like,

1069
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,200
All right, well, maybe I'll just
they don't like that. I'll do a

1070
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,720
little more, I'll do a little
more rock cup. Maybe I'll do Bon

1071
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,960
Jovi, yeah, you know, maybe I'll
do a little something like that,

1072
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,560
and laid more into some guitar
stuff. And then by the end of

1073
00:59:10,620 --> 00:59:13,860
it, it's like, then they were
all rocking. But it's being able

1074
00:59:13,860 --> 00:59:16,620
to read something, you know,
read the crowd and on the fly on

1075
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:19,080
it, which kind of makes you a
little nervous, because it's

1076
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,100
like, man, if they're not really
into that. Like, man, I'm kind

1077
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,620
of on an island here. Nothing
bad ever.

1078
00:59:24,620 --> 00:59:28,460
What's your go to, but what's
your go to? Bon Jovi, one dead

1079
00:59:28,460 --> 00:59:28,580
or

1080
00:59:28,580 --> 00:59:30,020
alive? I still do.

1081
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,820
I just do the I do the intro
riff, and then do like a sing

1082
00:59:34,820 --> 00:59:37,100
along thing with a course, and
then I'll break out into some

1083
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,680
acoustic jam. Nice.

1084
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:40,540
Who's the one that

1085
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,800
he wrote for the movie Young
Guns

1086
00:59:46,540 --> 00:59:50,680
blaze of glory. Yeah? Rumor has
it, he wrote it in a diner on a

1087
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,000
napkin like just came out of it.
I love that crazy, yeah,

1088
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,520
freaking hit song in five
minutes. I know I

1089
00:59:58,180 --> 01:00:00,900
remember when computers were
coming in. And people started

1090
01:00:01,260 --> 01:00:04,920
like typing or using their
iPhones to write, you know, song

1091
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,180
lyrics, a normal thing now, but
it still seemed like it was like

1092
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:12,600
a, you know, you leather bound
book and you're not out. You

1093
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:15,480
know what? I mean, this is a
song, and it needs to be on

1094
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,500
parchment, you know. So for you
leather pen, yes.

1095
01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:25,760
So for you to write really deep,
connecting music that connected

1096
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,820
with prisoners at their lowest
of low, they're, you know, it's

1097
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,780
rock bottom for them, especially
at that age, man, I mean, that's

1098
01:00:32,780 --> 01:00:36,500
got, you gotta, there's gotta be
an old soul aspect to you, I

1099
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:37,100
would think,

1100
01:00:37,340 --> 01:00:41,080
I think like there is, yeah, I
feel like there is, man,

1101
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,540
there's got to be because, I
mean, that's you got to have

1102
01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:46,120
some life experience to write
about deep stuff.

1103
01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:51,760
Are your parents did? Were they
always supportive? Massively,

1104
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,820
they sent you to Belmont, right?
You're like, Hey, kid, you got

1105
01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:57,400
four years go do the thing. Did
you finish? It's almost still

1106
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,160
paying for it. Yeah. I mean,
that's what is it 60,000 a year?

1107
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:08,160
Whoo? No. Seriously paying for
it? Yeah,

1108
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,920
I transferred in there. I
transferred into bell on my

1109
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,700
sophomore year and finished. I
was on the road most weekends in

1110
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:17,580
advantage of rented a van,
formed a band, which my bass

1111
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:21,620
player is still playing with me
today, and who's your bass

1112
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:24,320
player to be on Cody. Gall is
his name? What's up, Cody? And

1113
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,840
then whatever Cody, I'll tell
you what, though, what y'all

1114
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:35,960
have, man, I think any artist
and musician goals, what y'all

1115
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,780
have, a team and

1116
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,660
like minded people, loyalty, 20
years I've been playing with

1117
01:01:43,660 --> 01:01:44,560
Jason, 26

1118
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,880
years. 26 years. So I feel like
as a musician, so

1119
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,000
I got these, these look at all
these wrinkles that didn't

1120
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,020
happen when I was first

1121
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:55,900
started. So much that right
there says so much about each of

1122
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:01,260
each of y'all and for a
musician, it's like that would

1123
01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:05,340
be a massive goal to be in a
camp from here, from the bottom,

1124
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,640
yeah, and ride it up,
collectively, right? And then

1125
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,040
same thing for an artist, to
have a group of guys and you're

1126
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,000
locked in. It's so rare. You
guys are, like, the only ones.

1127
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,900
It's like, hats off to you. It's
all these special everybody's

1128
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:19,500
goal to have

1129
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,460
something starts at the top.
Jason is an incredibly loyal

1130
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:27,380
person, and he's a incredibly
down to earth, grounded person.

1131
01:02:27,380 --> 01:02:31,640
He's the same exact guy. When my
parents, Patty and Richard come

1132
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,920
backstage, he's like, Hi Patty
and Richard very respectful. He

1133
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,720
asks about my brothers. You
guys. Okay, can I get you a

1134
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,740
glass of wine? Just a super he's
human being. He really is. Yeah,

1135
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:45,160
I've only

1136
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,460
been around him a couple times,
and he's always been just the

1137
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:51,640
nicest guy and saw the earth
just, he's just real man. He

1138
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:52,000
lives.

1139
01:02:52,180 --> 01:02:54,760
He's like, actually, when he's
talking to you, it's not just

1140
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,800
like, you know, an exercise in
small talk. I mean, he really

1141
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,420
is. He's listening to the people
he's talking to. He asks

1142
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:07,140
questions. To ask questions.
Yeah. I mean, that's, that was

1143
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:10,680
our encounter when we got when
you took us backstage, and we

1144
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:11,700
got to, you know, the kid, when

1145
01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:14,580
your son was like, when are we
going backstage? Yeah, and is,

1146
01:03:15,420 --> 01:03:19,140
where are backstage? There's the
band. Yeah, the band

1147
01:03:19,140 --> 01:03:20,780
just walked by. Kids have

1148
01:03:20,780 --> 01:03:23,840
this perception that it's like,
almost like some Valhalla. It's

1149
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,900
like things are glistening with
gold. It's like, no, it's sweaty

1150
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:29,120
cheese and towels and road
cases. Yeah,

1151
01:03:29,660 --> 01:03:32,900
so he was wearing a because
Jason's kids, I think, went to

1152
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:36,980
the same school my kids went to,
and Spencer was wearing a

1153
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:40,420
Chapman's retreat Elementary
School shirt. And Jason point he

1154
01:03:40,420 --> 01:03:42,400
was like, Where are you guys
from? Because we saw them in

1155
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,160
Charlotte, and we told him, he's
like, Oh yeah, I live over in

1156
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,620
Kidron. He told us where he
lived and everything. Like,

1157
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,800
okay, dude, I know. I mean, he
was just really pleasant guy.

1158
01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:51,520
We're all spring

1159
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:52,900
hillians. Now it's pretty

1160
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:57,640
cool. Wow. Yeah. So do you see a
lot of well, both y'all being

1161
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:03,600
drummers. Do you see more new
drummers, new new cats coming to

1162
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,820
town nowadays than you did back
in the day to do this for a

1163
01:04:08,820 --> 01:04:09,180
living.

1164
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,780
I think the advent of Instagram
and Tiktok and all that stuff

1165
01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:15,480
certainly has increased the
appeal. I

1166
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:20,600
think Music City is so on fire,
and country as a culture is so

1167
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:26,600
on fire. It's just like, this is
one of the last cities for the

1168
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,620
music business, and like, real
people writing songs in a room

1169
01:04:30,620 --> 01:04:33,680
at the same time, session
musicians all on the floor at

1170
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:39,140
the same time doing the thing.
And then, you know, the real

1171
01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:42,760
estate prices are going up, and
people are getting pushed out to

1172
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,940
the burbs and stuff. But that's
going to happen with the growth.

1173
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,340
I don't mind the growth. I don't
mind the growth. I don't mind

1174
01:04:48,340 --> 01:04:51,820
that the multicultural input.
Because you are getting guys

1175
01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:56,080
from Texas, the Miami,
Chicago's, Atlanta, New York,

1176
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,720
Los Angeles. They are coming in
like, oh my god, I could raise I

1177
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,380
could raise my kid here. If I
work really hard, I can buy a

1178
01:05:01,380 --> 01:05:04,680
house. I can have dirt under my
feet, you know, there's a little

1179
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,700
bit of space, so I don't think
it's going to slow down anytime

1180
01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:12,360
soon. But as my dad said, you
know, you know, must be present

1181
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,440
to win, and the cream rises, you
know. So just be the cream, you

1182
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,160
know. Just Just stay. Just
commit until you are the cream.

1183
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,460
And it might take 20 minutes to
meet somebody at the airport

1184
01:05:25,460 --> 01:05:28,040
that changes your lives, or it
might take 20 years, but you

1185
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,660
just got to be committed to it.
And

1186
01:05:29,660 --> 01:05:32,540
to your point you were saying
earlier, you might have that

1187
01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:35,960
lightning in a bottle thing,
yeah. I mean, it's, don't, don't

1188
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,300
discount that. I mean, you're
only how many years in, you

1189
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:43,600
know. So, I mean, you could
certainly have that same kind of

1190
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,140
an effect. It's, it could
certainly play out that way. I

1191
01:05:47,140 --> 01:05:50,140
think it will. I mean, you seem
like a loyal guy. You seem like

1192
01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:54,280
you've got, you've definitely
got a charisma and a

1193
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,740
vivaciousness and that kind of
same appeal where you're

1194
01:05:56,740 --> 01:05:58,600
interested in other people,
that's a

1195
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,060
lot of it. And you love live
music, and you're not afraid to

1196
01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:03,360
go out there and take the music
to the people, and people. And

1197
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,760
you're different sounding. You
were fascinated with that. You

1198
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,100
always were playing on the
weekends while you were in

1199
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:10,380
college. I did the same thing.
Man, it's like, I'm, you know,

1200
01:06:10,380 --> 01:06:13,320
studying for a, you know, a
physics test on a Sunday after a

1201
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,480
gig, pulling an all nighter,
because on Monday morning, at

1202
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:15,600
eight

1203
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,760
o'clock, I get it. Yeah, you did

1204
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,540
it. Did it

1205
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,560
because, I mean, also, you're
going to have the element of,

1206
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,620
there's a little bit of a
homogenization happening with

1207
01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:27,080
artists these days. You can't
really tell them from one

1208
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,260
another. Some of the newer ones,
at least, I sound the same,

1209
01:06:30,260 --> 01:06:33,020
right? You You're distinct
because you got that, you got

1210
01:06:33,020 --> 01:06:35,900
that edge to your voice. Read a
gargoyle with razor blades, that

1211
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:37,820
kind of thing. So, I mean,
you're gonna have, you're gonna

1212
01:06:37,820 --> 01:06:41,320
be able to have that distinction
that anybody listening to it

1213
01:06:41,500 --> 01:06:45,280
comes out. Oh, I know exactly
who that is. So that's like part

1214
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,440
of the, you know, the Van Halen
brothers said, if you play

1215
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,620
music, make sure people know
it's you. Yeah, you know, I

1216
01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:52,660
think that you're gonna have
that nipped in the Bucha, I

1217
01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:55,540
appreciate. But if you involve a
lot, a little, EVH, and you're

1218
01:06:55,540 --> 01:06:57,400
playing, I'm just Jim,

1219
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,720
just loves that.

1220
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,280
I need to learn how to do some
of that. I think you should, man

1221
01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:03,840
and your label, you know, I

1222
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,180
hope that, like, Neil's, like,
What the hell did you tell him?

1223
01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:08,220
Why? Why did you tell him that?
Yeah, blame

1224
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:11,160
it on I haven't been reading the
trades. I haven't been listening

1225
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,520
to the gossip on the bus. I
didn't know that your record

1226
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,160
label, stone country records,
was Benny Brown's. I

1227
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,960
know which you have some history
with from the very beginning.

1228
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:21,380
Yeah.

1229
01:07:21,380 --> 01:07:24,320
I mean, without Benny Brown, we
wouldn't be sitting here, you

1230
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,560
know, it, it just wouldn't
happen. Wow, he's a, he's a fan

1231
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,680
of music. He was a, he's a
harbinger of the arts. He

1232
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,400
believes. And he gave us chances
to Benny gave us chances to

1233
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,400
write, to produce, to you know
what? I mean, he's a song guy,

1234
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,380
too. Thank you, Benny. Yeah, you
know, he was trying to make

1235
01:07:41,380 --> 01:07:46,240
things happen for quite some
time, until, you know, a guy

1236
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,720
with a, you know, hat came along
named Jason Aldean, and it just

1237
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:50,800
all clicked. He

1238
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,740
owned car dealerships, right?
Yeah, it was a very successful

1239
01:07:53,740 --> 01:07:56,200
car dealership guy, yeah, yeah,
good.

1240
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,720
You don't bet against Benny,
nope. No, no, no, great

1241
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,780
guy to have in your corner. So
what do you want to promote?

1242
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:06,540
Other than you got these 35
million views, your viral

1243
01:08:06,540 --> 01:08:09,240
sensation, you got your big gun.
You got the gargling with the

1244
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,880
razor blades. You got the work
ethic. You got the bass player

1245
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,700
has been with you for 10 years.
You're in the mix. You got an

1246
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:16,260
amazing team. You got Neil. You

1247
01:08:16,260 --> 01:08:20,040
got Pat Patrick. He's got he's
got an amazing wife and child

1248
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:21,380
too. Oh, that's great. Yeah,

1249
01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:23,960
keep the wheels on. She keeps
the wheels on. You got to have a

1250
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,480
quarterback. You got to have a
quarterback at the house that's

1251
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:30,380
going to take care of things
while you're doing the thing.

1252
01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:31,460
Yeah? Or

1253
01:08:31,460 --> 01:08:34,160
at least hold out. You know how
it is, man, it's tough this bit.

1254
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,620
I have so much respect for
anybody that makes a living on

1255
01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:39,500
the road, dude, especially when
you have kids. I'll just learn

1256
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:43,000
that now, dude, I'm like,
pulling out head now going to

1257
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,960
work for the weekend, you know,
on the road, yep, you know. And

1258
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:52,360
there's my wife holding our kid,
and he's starting to, like, now

1259
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,420
he cries, you know? He's, like,
putting his hand up, and he's

1260
01:08:55,420 --> 01:08:58,960
ball, and it's like, Oh, you
want to talk about a weight on a

1261
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:03,240
man, holy shit. You know, we're
and that's the job, right? You

1262
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,520
know, it's like, There's no way.
It doesn't make it any easier,

1263
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,060
but you got to go to work, you
know? But I have so much

1264
01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:11,700
respect. I always have. But then
when you have a kid, you know,

1265
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:15,720
it's like, night. Now I really
get it. There was it could be a

1266
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:16,680
truck. Sorry, go ahead.

1267
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,380
It brings me, makes me remember
a story. I mean, this happened

1268
01:09:21,860 --> 01:09:25,760
three years ago, when we were
getting this business going. We

1269
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,060
did a job, a lighting job, which
is part of what we do here. J2,

1270
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,200
lighting. Check us out. J2,
lighting.com, Jim is a process.

1271
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,440
We were doing a lighting change
out in Cleveland. We were up

1272
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:38,780
there for about eight days. And
you know, you kind of get that's

1273
01:09:38,780 --> 01:09:41,320
part of my background, to be an
electrician and stuff like that.

1274
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:44,260
So I'm up on a lift into my
rhythm and everything, trying to

1275
01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:47,620
listen to different music. And
I'm like, Zach Brown Band kick.

1276
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,660
And then, gosh, what's the song?
I decided I'm already gonna

1277
01:09:52,660 --> 01:09:57,520
dance with my daughter to it at
her wedding. Oh, buddy. It's,

1278
01:09:57,700 --> 01:10:01,080
it's basically, you know, I hope
you see the same. Seven Wonders.

1279
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,500
I hope you sail the seven seas,
and it's a great song, and I'm

1280
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:07,140
just sitting there, up there,
all of a sudden, the lyrics just

1281
01:10:07,140 --> 01:10:09,780
start penetrating. I haven't
seen my family in four or five

1282
01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:14,220
days. At this point, I am a
bawling, flipping mess. Oh, man,

1283
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,700
it got me hit you like hammer.
Oh, totally did. What song does

1284
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:21,980
that for you now, now that you
have that family you got, you

1285
01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:25,400
got the child. There are songs
that I can't sing. Neil's being

1286
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,600
one of them. You know, gosh, now
I can't think about the one

1287
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:32,840
bouncing curls. There goes my
life. There goes my life. What a

1288
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:37,100
song. What an amazing song. And
then Kayla's song too, that he

1289
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:37,460
didn't

1290
01:10:37,460 --> 01:10:38,900
have to be he didn't actually,

1291
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:40,720
I asked him,

1292
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,959
Do you ever get you have to,
just like, emotionally, distance

1293
01:10:43,959 --> 01:10:46,539
yourself when you sing that
song. You have to,

1294
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,720
because we couldn't make it
through sometimes, right? He was

1295
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,940
performing the song at his
daughter's graduation or

1296
01:10:52,180 --> 01:10:54,820
anything or something like that.
Yeah, wow,

1297
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,960
yeah. Well, I haven't written
one for river yet, um, but I

1298
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:06,180
will. Somebody said, Thank you.
When we were talking about songs

1299
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:10,020
on this next project that we're
working on, he wasn't born yet.

1300
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:12,240
So I said, man, you gotta have a
song about river. And I was

1301
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,000
like, right, but he's not, you
know? Yeah, he wasn't here yet.

1302
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,940
I was like, not yet. Not yet. I
want to wait for them for the

1303
01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:20,840
right time. How many kids you
have? Jim, three. Three kids.

1304
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:21,860
Yeah, wow,

1305
01:11:21,979 --> 01:11:25,879
yeah, nice buddy. Ah, guys, I'm
jealous, you know, you get to

1306
01:11:25,879 --> 01:11:27,559
experience things, you know
that. But you know,

1307
01:11:29,779 --> 01:11:33,139
I love the fact that Ben was
like, kind of overtaking the

1308
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:36,619
interview for a second. He was
like, taking host, asking you

1309
01:11:36,619 --> 01:11:39,139
questions. Is there anything you
wanted to ask me by chance? I

1310
01:11:39,139 --> 01:11:40,159
mean, no,

1311
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:46,960
that's crazy. So anything else
you want to, like, tell Man,

1312
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:47,920
y'all the world for all

1313
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,900
time, yeah, well, we put an EP
out

1314
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,580
in May, and we put a music video
out to the song bullet, which

1315
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:56,320
gets a little intense, nice.

1316
01:11:56,679 --> 01:12:00,039
But that song changed meaning
for you. Didn't it? It did,

1317
01:12:01,060 --> 01:12:04,140
and that's that would be the
answer to your question.

1318
01:12:04,140 --> 01:12:06,960
Actually, of any songs, it has a
different meaning. Now, the

1319
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,240
song's called bullet. The hook
is, I would take a bullet for

1320
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,300
you, you know, literally, but
also metaphorically. I would do

1321
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:15,780
it's loving somebody so much you
would do anything at all for

1322
01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:21,200
him. And so that video gets
pretty intense, man. And so

1323
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,260
that's part of the EP that came
out of May, and we're in the

1324
01:12:24,260 --> 01:12:28,100
studio now. That's it's going to
round the these next six are

1325
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:30,980
going to round out the record
that will come out in the fall,

1326
01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:37,040
nice and then touring between
now and then most weekends. And

1327
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:40,340
that's, that's where we're at.
Man killer, really good stuff.

1328
01:12:40,460 --> 01:12:43,360
Are you out there opening for
some it's a mix. Yeah, it's

1329
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,820
headlines, smaller clubs, and
we're out with Brantley, out

1330
01:12:45,820 --> 01:12:47,620
with Gary the box next weekend.

1331
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,700
Nice. Yeah, so Gary the box, are
the flats?

1332
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,400
Gary the box, not the flats?

1333
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,500
Voice over for Gary's last tour,
to promote his last tour. And

1334
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:04,140
Jim coach, are you serious,
yeah? Gary levox, yeah. So you

1335
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:07,500
know, occasionally I will do
some voiceover. Ghost you Yep.

1336
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:09,240
Jim is a voiceover man,

1337
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:12,239
because you came from radio.
Yeah, don't, don't hold it

1338
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,939
against me. Do you miss it? Do
you miss any of that? No,

1339
01:13:14,939 --> 01:13:17,819
because I do it anyway with
podcasting. Podcasting,

1340
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,400
it's radio, yeah, this is radio
2.0 it just pays way

1341
01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:24,199
better. It is crazy. So can't
complain

1342
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:25,340
with that. Jim, no,

1343
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,020
it's, it's my superpower. This
is what I do, and voiceover is

1344
01:13:30,020 --> 01:13:30,560
part of that.

1345
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,920
So, yeah, no, we are. We're all
multipreneurs, as they say

1346
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,980
nowadays. Have to be. Yeah, I
hope to see a show. Hey, man, I

1347
01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:39,920
hope you. I hope things explode
to the point where you're out on

1348
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,720
the road with us. Man, that
would be a dream, right there

1349
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:49,060
and there. There might be a day
we'll open for you no man, or a

1350
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:52,240
big double bill or something.
Man, but I'm just so blown away

1351
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:56,380
by your spirit, your work ethic,
your great voice. We had a good

1352
01:13:56,380 --> 01:13:59,140
time playing that song. We were
just doing like a sound check to

1353
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,740
make sure we were comfortable
with levels. I

1354
01:14:01,739 --> 01:14:04,859
don't know that's up to y'all,
but, man, you're the one that's

1355
01:14:04,859 --> 01:14:05,459
holding it

1356
01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:08,760
down. I mean, it was really fun.
I mean, you're a machine. The

1357
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,660
chart was correct, ladies and
gentlemen, I care so I did a

1358
01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:15,720
chart. There's stomp right
there. Anybody wants to know how

1359
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,000
to do the chart that way you can
just jump on stage with

1360
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,680
you know, man, if there were
only just a course there is show

1361
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:21,740
me,

1362
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,760
Jim is going to film my music,
reading and charting. Course

1363
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,160
we're going to do it. We're
going to film it before the end

1364
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,040
of the year. But right now I'm
getting into the heaviest part

1365
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,200
of my year, the touring season.
And, you know, I'm gone

1366
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,480
Wednesday through Sunday, so
when I'm in town, Monday through

1367
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:39,440
Tuesday. Just occasionally you
need to, like, not do something,

1368
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:42,520
yeah, but usually we end up
doing something anyways. You

1369
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,280
know, can't shut it down. Man,
no. Machine. That's a busting

1370
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,400
and a curse. But is it usually
not an off switch in our worlds?

1371
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:49,420
Nope. And it

1372
01:14:49,420 --> 01:14:52,720
never retires purpose. That's if
you, when you the day you lose

1373
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,720
that off switch that I don't
know why I'm getting out of bed.

1374
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,660
That's a bad day. Yeah, there
really is a bad day. Yeah, I

1375
01:14:58,660 --> 01:14:59,920
don't want that ever to happen.

1376
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,840
And I was, you know what? I was
just up at in there's this great

1377
01:15:04,140 --> 01:15:06,780
then it's the number one music
education site in the world. Now

1378
01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:09,840
it's called Muse Zora,
muzora.com and they, huh, they

1379
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,560
have a website where they teach
guitar, bass, keyboards, vocals.

1380
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,260
And then the drum Parson portion
of it's called drumeo. So

1381
01:15:16,260 --> 01:15:19,980
drumeo.com drumeo has been there
forever and ever, and it's

1382
01:15:19,980 --> 01:15:22,700
outside of Vancouver, and it was
amazing. I just get to give

1383
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:25,460
props, and thanks to everybody
you know. Jared Falk started

1384
01:15:25,460 --> 01:15:29,840
this company a long time ago,
his friend Brandon Aaron, they

1385
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:35,000
had me in. We filmed all this
content for their website, for

1386
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,600
their socials, and then we did a
bunch of educational content for

1387
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,740
like, their training portion,
but it is just people are

1388
01:15:41,740 --> 01:15:46,060
learning music online now. It's
an incredible and eventually

1389
01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:49,720
they probably love to have you
up there to perform your songs,

1390
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,720
to do like a little mini master
class. Or they'll have a guy

1391
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,760
that'll interview you, like,
show me. Or, you know, I mean,

1392
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,760
you break it down for the kids
and it'll be all written out.

1393
01:15:58,060 --> 01:16:01,020
They fly you up there. They
spoil you. They put you in a

1394
01:16:01,020 --> 01:16:04,500
nice hotel. It's great. I just
had an amazing time, but I see

1395
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:05,520
that they would love to have

1396
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,640
you. That'd be awesome. You.
Zora.com I gotta check it out.

1397
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,700
Yeah, that's really cool, man.
It's such an honor to be on here

1398
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:14,100
with y'all. Big time. Likewise,
seriously, dude,

1399
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:17,760
yeah, thank you for spending
this time with us, everybody.

1400
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,200
Jim.com Yeah,

1401
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,080
Ben gallagher.com. But not

1402
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:26,780
Gallagher. Ben gallagher.com
he's huge on the socials support

1403
01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:34,220
his music. We just played stomp
2,302,100 streams. And then we

1404
01:16:34,220 --> 01:16:37,040
got to catch bullet. Bullets. We
just, we got to get it up there.

1405
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,280
It's, it's new. It's brand new.
So everybody stream bullet

1406
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:40,900
request,

1407
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,820
yes, I love it. It's going going
for ads. So fun. Thanks

1408
01:16:45,820 --> 01:16:48,520
for suggesting this, young man,
come on our show. Yeah, buddy,

1409
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,640
the honor is mine. Fellas, keep
doing and keep changing lives,

1410
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,580
Man, y'all too. We're just it's
great to know you, man. Thanks

1411
01:16:54,580 --> 01:16:56,920
for coming on the show, Jim,
thanks for your time and talent,

1412
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,200
course, and to everybody out
there in listener land. We'll

1413
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:04,080
see you July 19 and 20th at the
Musik city drum show. Monday,

1414
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,560
July 21 we'll see. I'm doing a
drum clinic. 6pm drumsupply.com.

1415
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,240
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1416
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,300
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1417
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:15,780
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1418
01:17:16,140 --> 01:17:20,960
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1419
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