WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:05.050 --> 00:00:06.160 Colin: Welcome to Build and Learn. 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:06.790 My name is Colin. 00:00:07.420 --> 00:00:10.930 CJ: And I'm CJ and I hope you all enjoyed that little 00:00:10.935 --> 00:00:12.370 summer break that we just took. 00:00:12.730 --> 00:00:17.290 I know that I definitely needed it and got a lot of traveling in. 00:00:17.890 --> 00:00:21.250 Colin, tell us what you did over, over this several weeks 00:00:21.250 --> 00:00:22.050 where we weren't recording. 00:00:22.806 --> 00:00:25.741 Colin: I think it was just good to take a step back from the show and, 00:00:25.741 --> 00:00:30.431 and not worry about where each of us were how our schedules would line up. 00:00:30.461 --> 00:00:33.581 And I got a little bit of summer camping in. 00:00:33.701 --> 00:00:33.821 I. 00:00:34.106 --> 00:00:37.526 Had a birthday recently, so we tried to organize that. 00:00:37.526 --> 00:00:42.056 It's, it's pretty difficult to get like lots of adults to all show up to the same 00:00:42.056 --> 00:00:46.166 place at the same time these days 'cause everyone's got their own things going on. 00:00:46.171 --> 00:00:49.226 But we were able to get some people to come out to the lake. 00:00:49.296 --> 00:00:53.521 And so just trying to schedule as many of those, whether it's like weekends 00:00:53.521 --> 00:00:55.111 or long weekends where I can find them. 00:00:55.491 --> 00:00:58.521 It doesn't necessarily have to be camping, but trying to get away from 00:00:58.521 --> 00:01:02.211 the computer as much as I can while the weather is awesome outside. 00:01:02.931 --> 00:01:03.231 How about you? 00:01:04.411 --> 00:01:05.251 CJ: Similar. 00:01:05.311 --> 00:01:05.581 Yeah. 00:01:05.586 --> 00:01:11.301 We had I think it was maybe like two-ish weeks in Kings Beach in North Lake Tahoe, 00:01:11.301 --> 00:01:13.101 and then we had two-ish weeks in Reno. 00:01:13.811 --> 00:01:18.311 And similarly we had, there was like a couple events where some of our adult 00:01:18.311 --> 00:01:22.721 friends got together, but it was mostly just like different groups of family 00:01:22.721 --> 00:01:27.011 coming in and out and lots of different trying to build those core memories 00:01:27.011 --> 00:01:31.431 for the kids and have experiences and go on hikes and beach days and. 00:01:31.716 --> 00:01:33.786 We had some really cool, fun, fun things. 00:01:33.786 --> 00:01:38.236 My my aunt and uncle took us out on the, on their boat on the lake, 00:01:38.326 --> 00:01:40.486 and so we got like a nice boat day. 00:01:40.486 --> 00:01:45.846 It was kinda like breaking in the boat and the water at that time, this was 00:01:45.851 --> 00:01:50.436 early June, the water was still like, you know, low sixties, so it was frigid and 00:01:50.436 --> 00:01:52.866 you didn't actually want to get in and you're wearing, I guess, sweatshirt on 00:01:52.866 --> 00:01:54.666 the boat, but it was still tons of fun. 00:01:55.386 --> 00:01:55.926 And then 00:01:55.976 --> 00:01:57.146 Colin: A sweatshirt in the water too. 00:01:57.551 --> 00:01:59.801 CJ: Yeah, I did jump in. 00:01:59.831 --> 00:02:03.781 I was like, I can't go you know, out on the lake and not go in the water. 00:02:03.781 --> 00:02:04.771 Like I don't know. 00:02:04.861 --> 00:02:05.701 So that was fun. 00:02:06.481 --> 00:02:12.706 And then my uncle has a plane and they he has to like redo these. 00:02:13.491 --> 00:02:16.431 Sort of like certificate points or something, or like certain training 00:02:16.431 --> 00:02:18.261 that you have to do every six months. 00:02:18.261 --> 00:02:22.431 I think you have to do a certain amount of training under different conditions 00:02:22.431 --> 00:02:25.581 basically to make sure that you're staying fresh with like your instrument ratings. 00:02:25.971 --> 00:02:29.541 And so usually you do that with a flight simulator and there 00:02:29.541 --> 00:02:31.161 is one at the Truckee Airport. 00:02:31.166 --> 00:02:36.691 And so Logan My son Logan, who's like super into airplanes right now, was 00:02:36.741 --> 00:02:37.881 it was kinda like a surprise for him. 00:02:37.881 --> 00:02:39.981 Like, let's go check out the flight simulator and like, 00:02:39.986 --> 00:02:41.091 practice flying or whatever. 00:02:41.091 --> 00:02:44.691 And so he got to like do takeoff and landing and fly 00:02:44.696 --> 00:02:45.651 around in the flight simulator. 00:02:45.651 --> 00:02:49.546 So that was like a really, really fun highlight of, of the trip. 00:02:49.756 --> 00:02:53.676 And then yeah, my dad, I, I don't know, like if you see these around 00:02:53.681 --> 00:02:58.326 town or like what your opinion is of e-bikes, but like New Hampshire, 00:02:58.386 --> 00:02:59.856 I wasn't seeing them like anywhere. 00:02:59.856 --> 00:03:03.096 We get to North Lake Tahoe in Reno and there's just people ripping all 00:03:03.096 --> 00:03:04.986 over the place on these e-bikes. 00:03:05.466 --> 00:03:08.316 And so my dad has just been, he's been commuting. 00:03:08.406 --> 00:03:12.126 He has like one of those like super beefy whatever, e-bikes, and he commutes back 00:03:12.126 --> 00:03:14.446 and forth I don't know, 15, 20 miles. 00:03:14.446 --> 00:03:18.556 And so I got to like, Try out a bunch of e-bikes, but do you 00:03:18.556 --> 00:03:19.906 have, do you have an e-bike? 00:03:19.906 --> 00:03:22.066 Like are you part of this e-bike gang? 00:03:22.096 --> 00:03:22.756 You are. 00:03:22.816 --> 00:03:23.416 Oh, man. 00:03:23.446 --> 00:03:23.866 Okay. 00:03:24.856 --> 00:03:28.546 Colin: Yeah, I have a, I have a wing bike, which is, it's kind of, looks more like 00:03:28.546 --> 00:03:30.556 a city bike, but it's, it's electric. 00:03:30.556 --> 00:03:33.476 And then actually just got my girlfriend one too, 'cause 00:03:33.481 --> 00:03:35.456 she likes the idea of going. 00:03:36.356 --> 00:03:40.436 Out on the bikes, but she usually likes to, once we hit some hills 00:03:40.436 --> 00:03:43.706 or we go like a longer distance than like somewhere I want to go. 00:03:44.126 --> 00:03:45.416 It's nice to have the motor. 00:03:45.421 --> 00:03:49.376 But yeah, I mean I see like you can hear that little worrying noise and 00:03:49.376 --> 00:03:52.226 you turn and look and someone's just like bombing down the hill, which 00:03:52.226 --> 00:03:55.256 I love to see that over more cars. 00:03:55.286 --> 00:03:59.266 We've been having a lot of Like car traffic accident issues outside 00:03:59.266 --> 00:04:01.126 of the coworking space lately. 00:04:01.186 --> 00:04:06.196 We're trying to get the road and like intersection redone by the city, but 00:04:06.196 --> 00:04:09.796 we're doing that whole navigation of like, who do you talk to at 00:04:09.796 --> 00:04:11.476 the city to, to get this changed? 00:04:11.481 --> 00:04:15.796 Because this is just like, You know, we have to find enough data to prove that 00:04:15.796 --> 00:04:19.636 there's like an inordinate amount, number of accidents that are happening there, 00:04:19.636 --> 00:04:21.556 and that it's a pedestrian safety problem. 00:04:21.556 --> 00:04:23.896 But you know, more bikes, even the e-bikes. 00:04:23.901 --> 00:04:26.236 I mean, I think the e-bikes get a little bit of a bad rap 00:04:26.266 --> 00:04:27.826 when they're e mountain bikes. 00:04:28.231 --> 00:04:32.881 On trails because you've got hikers and other cyclists, and then you 00:04:32.881 --> 00:04:37.381 have some e-bike come through and just, you know, running into people. 00:04:37.441 --> 00:04:41.281 Usually with mountain bikes, it's, it can be based on your 00:04:41.281 --> 00:04:42.571 heart rate, which is kind of cool. 00:04:42.571 --> 00:04:46.111 So like, when you're going up a hill, if your heart rate goes over a certain 00:04:46.111 --> 00:04:49.951 threshold, it'll kick in the assist and then it'll bring it back down. 00:04:50.041 --> 00:04:52.381 Well, as your heart rate goes back down, which is pretty cool. 00:04:52.816 --> 00:04:54.016 CJ: That is awesome. 00:04:54.016 --> 00:04:54.826 I had no idea. 00:04:54.826 --> 00:04:57.316 I thought it was just kind of like the ones that I've ridden. 00:04:57.316 --> 00:05:00.856 It's either like thumb throttle, like, okay, if you want more cyst, 00:05:00.856 --> 00:05:05.206 you just thumb the throttle or like the harder you're pedaling 00:05:05.211 --> 00:05:06.916 the faster it'll like assist you. 00:05:07.571 --> 00:05:10.631 Then I, the one my mom has is like, there's like three 00:05:10.631 --> 00:05:11.891 settings and they're hilarious. 00:05:11.891 --> 00:05:16.361 They're like snail turtle and they're like super turbo boost or something like 00:05:16.441 --> 00:05:17.101 Colin: The rabbit. 00:05:17.711 --> 00:05:18.611 CJ: Yeah, exactly. 00:05:18.611 --> 00:05:19.361 I'm like, whoa. 00:05:19.366 --> 00:05:21.251 We're going super turbo mode right now. 00:05:21.251 --> 00:05:24.851 And it's just, you know, this like old school kind of beach cruiser that happens 00:05:24.851 --> 00:05:27.161 to have like electric assist on it. 00:05:27.641 --> 00:05:34.061 And then, yeah, I got to, so I went to Charlotte for my first sort of 00:05:34.061 --> 00:05:41.271 time in person at HQ to see the team and one of my coworkers there Omar, 00:05:41.271 --> 00:05:46.851 he has the super 73 bikes, which are like, it's, they're so sweet. 00:05:46.851 --> 00:05:50.811 It's basically a motorcycle, like it is, like you can unlock it or 00:05:50.841 --> 00:05:53.841 you can do like something on your phone that basically changes it from 00:05:53.841 --> 00:05:55.611 like a class two to a class three. 00:05:56.081 --> 00:05:59.531 Bike or something, and you have to say like, yes, I'm not, I'm on private 00:05:59.531 --> 00:06:02.441 roads and this is, you know, I'm, you know, being safe or whatever. 00:06:02.441 --> 00:06:05.436 And then it I think it goes up to like 50 miles an hour 00:06:05.436 --> 00:06:06.816 or something just ridiculous. 00:06:06.816 --> 00:06:07.936 Which it definitely 00:06:08.131 --> 00:06:09.991 Colin: much battery as you have at least, right? 00:06:09.991 --> 00:06:12.211 It's like how long can you do that for? 00:06:12.616 --> 00:06:13.576 CJ: Yes, yes. 00:06:14.146 --> 00:06:17.146 So anyways, it's, it was like a, it was a super fun start to the summer, 00:06:17.146 --> 00:06:18.856 just like getting into all that. 00:06:18.916 --> 00:06:20.686 But where did you go camping? 00:06:21.571 --> 00:06:24.811 Colin: Yeah, we just went to the, for like the National Forest above Reno. 00:06:25.441 --> 00:06:27.871 Trying to find, I mean, right now, I don't know if you've seen this or 00:06:27.876 --> 00:06:31.126 anyone listening has seen this, but like, And it hasn't slowed down. 00:06:31.276 --> 00:06:36.166 Once Covid happened, everyone kind of went outside, like everyone bought RVs and 00:06:36.166 --> 00:06:42.016 tents and camping stuff, and everyone, you know, we couldn't go on regular vacations 00:06:42.021 --> 00:06:48.346 and stuff, so people went to Airbnbs and they went camping and it hasn't stopped. 00:06:48.646 --> 00:06:51.316 Like every campground is still just. 00:06:52.846 --> 00:06:53.116 out. 00:06:53.116 --> 00:06:56.776 And so I found this one, it's like two hours away, which I think is like 00:06:56.806 --> 00:07:00.196 just outside of most people's, like willingness to drive for camping. 00:07:00.201 --> 00:07:02.656 And so there was like nobody there, like we could pick 00:07:02.661 --> 00:07:04.006 whichever campsite we wanted. 00:07:04.006 --> 00:07:07.276 We could, you know, re-up, we were supposed to go this weekend, but then 00:07:07.281 --> 00:07:09.828 I realized it's just like two back to back weekends was gonna be a lot. 00:07:10.816 --> 00:07:14.046 But you know, we've talked about it on the show as much time as we spend 00:07:14.046 --> 00:07:15.936 sitting in front of these little screens. 00:07:16.536 --> 00:07:21.006 I'm just trying to like, make a conscious effort to when I go home, 00:07:21.186 --> 00:07:26.046 not then sit in front of, you know, more gaming and more screen time. 00:07:27.051 --> 00:07:27.951 Even if I want to. 00:07:27.951 --> 00:07:32.601 It's like, okay, you get to do that maybe later after you go ride on the E-bikes or 00:07:32.601 --> 00:07:34.491 go run a run or do something like that. 00:07:35.061 --> 00:07:39.201 And actually back to your flight sim thing, there's the, I'll have to 00:07:39.201 --> 00:07:43.491 share some videos, but there's this YouTube couple who has a helicopter 00:07:44.121 --> 00:07:46.641 and I'm like so obsessed with it and. 00:07:47.301 --> 00:07:50.181 I started looking into it and they actually did some rundown videos on 00:07:50.181 --> 00:07:52.311 like what it costs to own a helicopter. 00:07:52.311 --> 00:07:56.811 And it is pretty insane to the point where I was like, maybe I can just 00:07:56.811 --> 00:08:03.321 find like a really sweet, like PC with Microsoft Flight simulator and like get 00:08:03.321 --> 00:08:07.431 some of the flight SIM stuff and just like, 'cause I, I like the idea of it. 00:08:07.431 --> 00:08:10.881 I don't know if I would enjoy owning my own or having like a. 00:08:11.361 --> 00:08:15.111 I think a lot of people with airplanes and, you know, things like this, they 00:08:15.111 --> 00:08:19.371 have like a co-op of people that they own it with so that you share the 00:08:19.371 --> 00:08:21.561 costs and the hanger time and all that. 00:08:21.891 --> 00:08:24.111 I, or I'll just keep watching them on YouTube. 00:08:24.111 --> 00:08:25.041 I'm not sure, but 00:08:25.121 --> 00:08:26.081 CJ: Yeah, I think it. 00:08:26.081 --> 00:08:27.341 Colin: sim is the answer there. 00:08:27.791 --> 00:08:31.301 CJ: Yeah, I have a, a couple friends who do the flight sim thing, and some 00:08:31.301 --> 00:08:35.741 of them have just like the full on setup where you're in the chair and you've 00:08:35.741 --> 00:08:38.771 got the yolk and you have the pedals and you have like the whole thing at their 00:08:38.771 --> 00:08:40.751 house, which it seems like super intense. 00:08:41.201 --> 00:08:42.681 Colin: Way cheaper than a helicopter though. 00:08:43.001 --> 00:08:45.581 CJ: yes, yes, way cheaper than an actual helicopter. 00:08:45.581 --> 00:08:51.311 But the other thing I was looking at, like entry level Cessna airplanes. 00:08:51.911 --> 00:08:54.371 That are surprisingly affordable. 00:08:54.371 --> 00:08:57.881 Like I just imagine this was something that was, you know, completely impossible 00:08:57.881 --> 00:09:02.441 and way out of a price range that would ever be, you know, something that a 00:09:02.446 --> 00:09:04.991 normal family like ours could afford. 00:09:05.381 --> 00:09:07.361 And, well, I mean, whatever. 00:09:07.366 --> 00:09:11.921 We're, we're very privileged and we, when I saw the numbers that were less than 100 00:09:11.921 --> 00:09:14.741 k to get into, like, you know, something. 00:09:15.156 --> 00:09:18.846 I was like, what this is, that's how much it costs to like buy it and then 00:09:18.936 --> 00:09:24.006 obviously there's like a bunch of fees after that, like hangar and like fuel 00:09:24.006 --> 00:09:26.286 and maintenance and Yeah, exactly. 00:09:26.291 --> 00:09:29.166 Like you have to get it checked out all the time 'cause you don't 00:09:29.166 --> 00:09:31.086 want any issues to ever happen. 00:09:31.091 --> 00:09:34.836 So obviously like the maintenance is way higher, but yeah, I never 00:09:34.836 --> 00:09:37.566 looked into helicopters though, like that sounds way more expensive. 00:09:37.566 --> 00:09:39.456 Just 'cause it's so much more specialized. 00:09:39.516 --> 00:09:43.026 Colin: I think it's, it's more expensive and more dangerous is the other thing. 00:09:43.026 --> 00:09:46.986 Like doing the sim is obviously not dangerous and I would imagine that 00:09:46.991 --> 00:09:51.246 this is where like VR was supposed to be supposed to shine, right? 00:09:51.246 --> 00:09:55.056 Like Flight Sims having be able to like replicate. 00:09:55.386 --> 00:09:57.726 A full cockpit without having to buy all the stuff. 00:09:58.236 --> 00:10:00.756 Seems like a cool thing, but then you still want to have like the 00:10:00.756 --> 00:10:02.466 actual physical controls and stuff. 00:10:02.466 --> 00:10:03.636 So we'll see. 00:10:03.666 --> 00:10:05.166 It's still just like a fascination. 00:10:05.166 --> 00:10:07.776 I don't know if I'll, I'll go down the flight sim rabbit 00:10:07.781 --> 00:10:09.636 hole or not, but we'll see. 00:10:09.636 --> 00:10:11.916 I'll keep everyone posted on the helicopter. 00:10:12.531 --> 00:10:13.011 CJ: Sweet. 00:10:13.761 --> 00:10:18.171 Yeah, my so The kids were gifted a gaming pc. 00:10:18.441 --> 00:10:20.871 They're like Master Manifesters. 00:10:20.871 --> 00:10:23.061 I don't know how they do this, but they're like, we wanna switch. 00:10:23.061 --> 00:10:23.661 We wanna switch. 00:10:23.661 --> 00:10:26.181 They were like super hyper-focused on getting a Nintendo switch. 00:10:26.541 --> 00:10:29.391 Nicole and I were like, you're not getting a switch until you, you know, 00:10:29.391 --> 00:10:32.751 earn enough money from businesses that you create to generate. 00:10:32.751 --> 00:10:34.371 And they were like, we're going a different way. 00:10:34.431 --> 00:10:36.471 And they just like, were gifted a switch. 00:10:36.531 --> 00:10:38.691 And then same thing with this gaming pc. 00:10:38.696 --> 00:10:42.771 Like they were researching all these different tools and components and 00:10:42.771 --> 00:10:46.511 whatever, and we get to Reno and My cousin's boyfriend is like, Hey, I have 00:10:46.511 --> 00:10:48.401 this gaming PC just like laying around. 00:10:48.401 --> 00:10:49.001 Do you want it? 00:10:49.481 --> 00:10:50.471 And we're like, what the heck? 00:10:50.471 --> 00:10:53.861 And so it has like, you know, super legit components and everything. 00:10:53.861 --> 00:11:01.871 It's got 30, 80 t i and like all of this like really cool, fancy l e d, like, you 00:11:01.876 --> 00:11:04.181 know, 64 gigs of ram, like all this stuff. 00:11:04.241 --> 00:11:07.951 And so we wanna do flight sim on that, but yeah, I think the lesson 00:11:07.951 --> 00:11:10.741 is like, yeah, totally, totally. 00:11:11.011 --> 00:11:11.491 So, 00:11:11.806 --> 00:11:12.736 Colin: I don't even know. 00:11:12.736 --> 00:11:13.696 I haven't caught up. 00:11:13.756 --> 00:11:15.556 Like I've been a Mac person for a while. 00:11:15.556 --> 00:11:20.656 I used, I got my start in PCs, used to build my own, knew all the components. 00:11:20.656 --> 00:11:24.976 I have no idea what anything is these days, like video card names. 00:11:24.976 --> 00:11:28.606 And I know NVIDIA's doing quite well right now with AI stuff, but like, 00:11:29.371 --> 00:11:31.921 Everyone's just like, just throw a bunch of numbers and letters out, and 00:11:31.921 --> 00:11:36.061 I assume it's a video card of some kind these days, but I mean, some of those 00:11:36.061 --> 00:11:37.681 like fit in a briefcase these days. 00:11:37.681 --> 00:11:38.881 They're like, you 00:11:39.151 --> 00:11:39.811 CJ: Yes, 00:11:39.961 --> 00:11:41.611 Colin: like at least a foot wide. 00:11:42.661 --> 00:11:43.111 CJ: I know. 00:11:43.111 --> 00:11:45.751 Well, they're like, oh, you need a SAG bar? 00:11:46.141 --> 00:11:49.441 And it's like, oh, you need a SAG bar, because your, your graphics 00:11:49.441 --> 00:11:53.071 card is like bigger than anything inside of your case, like, yeah. 00:11:53.281 --> 00:11:55.531 Colin: And then you gotta have enough power and yeah. 00:11:55.561 --> 00:11:56.101 Good, good. 00:11:56.101 --> 00:12:01.051 Space heater for the office when it's running in the winter, but, so it sounds 00:12:01.051 --> 00:12:03.211 like we've got up to a bunch of stuff. 00:12:03.401 --> 00:12:09.111 I think the other big news is that both of us in the time, right before our 00:12:09.116 --> 00:12:11.641 little summer break We have new jobs. 00:12:13.261 --> 00:12:19.321 New jobs, and in a really funny twist, we both have kind of like switched roles. 00:12:19.326 --> 00:12:19.831 So 00:12:20.386 --> 00:12:20.866 CJ: freaky Friday. 00:12:22.801 --> 00:12:26.341 Colin: CJ's now doing my job and, you know, we're not, we didn't take each 00:12:26.341 --> 00:12:28.791 other's jobs, but so I moved from. 00:12:30.116 --> 00:12:34.236 more like product and engineering role and a startup to working 00:12:34.241 --> 00:12:35.916 in developer relations. 00:12:35.946 --> 00:12:40.786 So now I am working at Discord helping out on kind of the apps 00:12:40.786 --> 00:12:42.916 and bots sides of the house. 00:12:42.966 --> 00:12:45.336 So anyone who's building stuff on top of Discord. 00:12:45.966 --> 00:12:50.856 So starting to work with the team there to build out our developer relations arm. 00:12:52.236 --> 00:12:53.406 CJ: Awesome, awesome. 00:12:53.976 --> 00:12:54.216 Yeah. 00:12:54.216 --> 00:12:58.416 I am now doing product and engineering work at a company called 00:12:58.416 --> 00:13:00.606 Craft Work, very small startup. 00:13:00.936 --> 00:13:03.906 So yeah, that's like another freaky Friday thing where like Colin went 00:13:03.906 --> 00:13:07.236 from small startup to big company and I went from big company to small startup. 00:13:07.646 --> 00:13:11.606 And so yeah, I was like the first engineering hire other than the 00:13:11.606 --> 00:13:14.846 C T O and we're building out. 00:13:15.541 --> 00:13:18.721 A bunch of back office tools and products for home services companies. 00:13:18.721 --> 00:13:21.851 So it is very different. 00:13:22.661 --> 00:13:28.606 We are both just like yeah, completely in new, new ponds, which is, which is cool. 00:13:29.661 --> 00:13:33.021 Colin: Yeah, I already find myself wanting Kraft work in Reno. 00:13:33.021 --> 00:13:34.821 So do you wanna tell everyone what Kraftwerk does? 00:13:35.286 --> 00:13:38.976 CJ: Yeah, so craft work, right now we are doing interior, 00:13:38.976 --> 00:13:41.106 exterior, and cabinetry painting. 00:13:41.596 --> 00:13:45.506 We're bringing a lot of technology to solve home services. 00:13:45.536 --> 00:13:46.066 Like if you. 00:13:46.816 --> 00:13:50.656 Right now, if you own a home or you're trying to get some work done on your 00:13:50.656 --> 00:13:54.796 house, you know how painful it is to try to find someone to come out. 00:13:54.801 --> 00:13:58.756 And oftentimes they're gonna come out and give you a quote, and then 00:13:58.756 --> 00:14:03.136 maybe you hear back from them a few days later with the actual quote 00:14:03.136 --> 00:14:04.186 after they come to your house. 00:14:04.191 --> 00:14:07.336 And then just the, the whole process is pretty arduous. 00:14:07.426 --> 00:14:10.816 A lot of it happens over text message and paper and checks. 00:14:11.276 --> 00:14:16.241 And so we're trying to bring that into, The modern day with amazing 00:14:16.331 --> 00:14:21.131 automations and tools and being able to request an estimate. 00:14:22.121 --> 00:14:24.371 Based on just photos of your house. 00:14:24.371 --> 00:14:28.031 And so we've got some really interesting stuff in the works there, but also just 00:14:28.031 --> 00:14:32.356 kind of having having an experience that you would expect in the modern, 00:14:33.046 --> 00:14:37.006 you know, with all the things, the conveniences of the modern society 00:14:37.011 --> 00:14:40.456 that we have with DoorDash and Uber and Airbnb where you can just kind of book 00:14:40.456 --> 00:14:45.206 stuff online and then have you know, a trusted person, show up to your house, 00:14:45.211 --> 00:14:49.406 do the work in a high quality way, and then You're, you're off to the races. 00:14:49.406 --> 00:14:51.116 So that's the goal. 00:14:51.296 --> 00:14:54.116 We are growing wicked fast. 00:14:54.566 --> 00:14:55.286 See that Wicked? 00:14:55.286 --> 00:15:02.326 That's like New England creeping into my, creeping into my, into my vocab there. 00:15:02.396 --> 00:15:03.351 We're growing wicked fast. 00:15:03.356 --> 00:15:05.751 We got into Y Combinator, which is pretty interesting. 00:15:05.751 --> 00:15:09.021 As a home services company, we are not like, you know, a SaaS 00:15:09.021 --> 00:15:12.501 product and we're not some sort of like AI tool or payments platform. 00:15:12.501 --> 00:15:13.881 So it was kind of interesting. 00:15:14.421 --> 00:15:16.521 That we, yeah. 00:15:16.521 --> 00:15:20.391 So that, that, but that's been a, a, a really awesome sort of experience 00:15:20.391 --> 00:15:23.101 is we're able to network with other companies and kind of figure out 00:15:23.521 --> 00:15:28.261 how we can work together with the other folks that are in the batch. 00:15:28.261 --> 00:15:31.466 And then also just learn from the all the advisors about how we can 00:15:32.396 --> 00:15:34.676 continue to grow this successfully. 00:15:34.676 --> 00:15:34.796 So, 00:15:35.391 --> 00:15:36.131 Colin: That's awesome. 00:15:36.251 --> 00:15:39.141 Yeah, I mean I actually forgot to mention my we, we've been focusing 00:15:39.141 --> 00:15:40.521 a lot on our coworking space too. 00:15:40.911 --> 00:15:44.961 This summer, and one of the things that we had was that like we got 00:15:45.051 --> 00:15:47.421 tagged by graffiti like years ago. 00:15:47.571 --> 00:15:51.441 And it has been such a pain just to like, I'm like, I'll just paint 00:15:51.441 --> 00:15:55.431 it myself and then time goes by and I just haven't done it myself. 00:15:55.851 --> 00:15:57.861 And so I'm like, now I want to have someone come out. 00:15:57.866 --> 00:16:01.311 And it is so challenging to get somebody to come out. 00:16:01.311 --> 00:16:04.251 And I don't blame the, like the folks who. 00:16:04.506 --> 00:16:05.136 Can get it done. 00:16:05.136 --> 00:16:07.686 Like I can do the job, it's probably not gonna be done. 00:16:07.686 --> 00:16:09.516 As well as like a professional painter. 00:16:09.966 --> 00:16:13.176 There's so many things in that world that you can go deep on that 00:16:13.176 --> 00:16:17.226 like make it a really good job, but it's not necessarily like they're, 00:16:17.231 --> 00:16:18.246 they're really good painters. 00:16:18.246 --> 00:16:18.456 They. 00:16:18.891 --> 00:16:21.621 Also have to run a business, which they don't necessarily 00:16:21.626 --> 00:16:23.511 have the time or desire to do. 00:16:24.081 --> 00:16:28.881 So having that service like this that allows them to just focus on doing like 00:16:28.911 --> 00:16:31.611 amazing painting and is, is awesome. 00:16:31.671 --> 00:16:32.301 I love that. 00:16:32.371 --> 00:16:35.731 And yeah, if you've had to try to find a contractor to do almost anything 00:16:35.731 --> 00:16:37.591 right now, it's, it's challenging. 00:16:37.591 --> 00:16:40.291 So I love the idea of like this marketplace for it. 00:16:40.291 --> 00:16:43.591 And in a way it's like this move from like, there's like a bundling 00:16:43.591 --> 00:16:46.801 and unbundling that happens where things like Angie's List. 00:16:46.806 --> 00:16:49.536 Is like, here's a whole bunch of people who could paint your house. 00:16:50.046 --> 00:16:52.656 Good luck contacting all of them and figuring out who's 00:16:52.656 --> 00:16:54.066 gonna actually paint your house. 00:16:55.156 --> 00:16:56.866 CJ: Yeah, we're kind of the opposite of that. 00:16:56.866 --> 00:17:01.036 Like all of the, the crew and the paint leads and the operations 00:17:01.036 --> 00:17:04.516 manager, all the painters, they all like work for craft work. 00:17:04.546 --> 00:17:06.866 And we kind of everyone goes to the same training. 00:17:06.866 --> 00:17:09.446 A lot of people have 15, 20 years of experience. 00:17:09.896 --> 00:17:12.746 If you go on Instagram too, like some of the. 00:17:12.856 --> 00:17:16.876 Jobs are not just typical, you know, come into my house and paint my walls 00:17:16.881 --> 00:17:19.126 or you know, paint the deck or whatever. 00:17:19.516 --> 00:17:24.436 There's some really, really awesome, like high gloss, just these mind blowing Yeah. 00:17:24.436 --> 00:17:28.006 Jobs where like, oh my gosh, it looks like the ceiling of this dining room 00:17:28.006 --> 00:17:29.566 looks like a pool, like a swimming pool. 00:17:29.566 --> 00:17:33.376 It's like this super high gloss, like light blue color that 00:17:33.376 --> 00:17:34.696 just is sort of mind blowing. 00:17:34.696 --> 00:17:38.626 So If you're interested in kind of some of the, the more fun 00:17:38.626 --> 00:17:42.466 advance, also like people order some really interesting stuff. 00:17:42.516 --> 00:17:46.846 There was there's a, I guess this trend of people wanting glitter walls. 00:17:46.846 --> 00:17:49.636 I dunno if you've heard of this, where like the wall has like, it's 00:17:49.636 --> 00:17:52.336 like painted and then like covered in glitter and it kind of looks 00:17:52.336 --> 00:17:53.776 like almost like an ocean wave. 00:17:54.166 --> 00:17:57.256 And then I don't know how it like actually is done or like if they lacquer 00:17:57.256 --> 00:17:58.816 over the top or whatever, but like 00:17:58.906 --> 00:18:01.756 Colin: this gonna be our, is this gonna be our thing where like there was the, 00:18:01.996 --> 00:18:05.896 the whole trend of millennials and stuff like pulling up carpet to find wood 00:18:05.896 --> 00:18:10.636 floor and like Gen Z or whoever comes after Gen Z are gonna be like, oh my 00:18:10.636 --> 00:18:12.946 god, grandpa had like a glitter wall 00:18:13.181 --> 00:18:13.381 CJ: Yeah. 00:18:13.396 --> 00:18:14.326 Colin: we have to paint over. 00:18:16.171 --> 00:18:16.771 CJ: Yes. 00:18:16.801 --> 00:18:17.431 Yes. 00:18:17.521 --> 00:18:19.681 Like talk about accent wall, right? 00:18:19.681 --> 00:18:23.101 Like if your, if your wall is like just a glitter, a giant glitter wall. 00:18:23.501 --> 00:18:23.861 But 00:18:23.861 --> 00:18:27.581 Colin: So you're building, you're building stuff to support and make all that happen. 00:18:28.376 --> 00:18:33.036 CJ: Yeah, so we're building out we have a next jss front end that is 00:18:33.041 --> 00:18:34.326 like used for the marketing site. 00:18:34.331 --> 00:18:35.106 It's pretty cool. 00:18:35.536 --> 00:18:39.586 It uses the T three stack, which is A T R P C. 00:18:39.986 --> 00:18:41.211 It's a turbo repo. 00:18:41.741 --> 00:18:46.511 And we are using planet scale with MySQL and TypeScript. 00:18:46.511 --> 00:18:49.631 And so like just learning a bunch about TypeScript, I hadn't used 00:18:49.636 --> 00:18:51.671 it really like deeply or properly. 00:18:52.101 --> 00:18:55.491 We're using the drizzle o r M, which is a little bit off the beaten path 00:18:55.521 --> 00:18:59.206 in terms of like, it's not prisma basically, I mean, By off the beaten 00:18:59.206 --> 00:19:00.286 path, I just mean it's not Brisbane. 00:19:00.836 --> 00:19:03.206 So that was kind of interesting to, to get into. 00:19:03.236 --> 00:19:05.906 We're using Zod, which has been kind of cool to learn. 00:19:06.356 --> 00:19:08.966 These were all things that were, seemed like buzzwords that I would 00:19:08.966 --> 00:19:12.836 hear on Syntax fm, you know, WEBO and Scott Delinsky are talking about. 00:19:12.841 --> 00:19:17.156 And then like finally getting to play with them myself and be like, oh, whoa, 00:19:17.156 --> 00:19:21.146 that is really cool to have your front end validation and your backend validation 00:19:21.146 --> 00:19:25.556 or sharing the same sort of types and schemas and error messages and things. 00:19:25.676 --> 00:19:30.956 And then I s not convinced. 00:19:30.956 --> 00:19:31.796 Well, maybe convinced. 00:19:31.796 --> 00:19:32.126 I don't know. 00:19:32.126 --> 00:19:35.426 I, I, like, I feel very, very productive with Rails. 00:19:35.516 --> 00:19:39.776 And so there was this major CRUD app that we needed to build for all the 00:19:39.776 --> 00:19:44.456 operations stuff and like managing different projects and handling 00:19:44.456 --> 00:19:47.216 communications and payments and all this. 00:19:47.276 --> 00:19:51.116 And I was like, this is gonna be a huge undertaking to build it all from 00:19:51.116 --> 00:19:56.756 scratch without like, The high speed, high productive benefits from something 00:19:56.756 --> 00:19:58.436 like Rails or Django or Laravel. 00:19:58.766 --> 00:20:01.736 And so I was like, please, can we use, please, please, please. 00:20:01.736 --> 00:20:02.516 Can we use Rails? 00:20:03.326 --> 00:20:03.806 And so, 00:20:04.191 --> 00:20:05.361 Colin: in, in your hands, right? 00:20:05.361 --> 00:20:10.491 It's like you've used it for so long, so like, sure, you could do it in these other 00:20:10.491 --> 00:20:14.031 stacks, but it's not customer facing. 00:20:14.481 --> 00:20:15.021 It's, I. 00:20:15.341 --> 00:20:19.511 Something that you want to be, you want it done yesterday, so that makes 00:20:19.556 --> 00:20:20.006 CJ: Yeah. 00:20:20.396 --> 00:20:23.936 So we've just been like, over the last, I would say like six weeks, 00:20:23.936 --> 00:20:29.791 just hammering on building out a ton of stuff in that backend. 00:20:29.791 --> 00:20:34.741 What's cool too is that like with Rails, it's so easy to expose the APIs 00:20:34.741 --> 00:20:38.491 with J ss o n, and then we're just consuming those from the next JSS side. 00:20:38.491 --> 00:20:41.171 So like the few thing Yeah. 00:20:41.171 --> 00:20:41.921 Or vice versa. 00:20:41.921 --> 00:20:42.551 Exactly. 00:20:42.611 --> 00:20:43.241 Exactly. 00:20:43.241 --> 00:20:49.631 So We are tending to move stuff out of next jss and into rails like for 00:20:49.691 --> 00:20:53.411 the data management just because it makes more sense for us, but 00:20:53.411 --> 00:20:57.311 like the next JSS front end for when you go and submit an estimate. 00:20:57.311 --> 00:21:01.631 It's this beautiful customer experience that's like really finely tuned and. 00:21:02.516 --> 00:21:06.116 Tested and we've got like all this stuff set up to really like make sure that the 00:21:06.116 --> 00:21:09.686 customers are having the best experience and that's all backed by like j ss o 00:21:09.686 --> 00:21:12.086 n that's being fed from the Rails app. 00:21:12.086 --> 00:21:12.416 So 00:21:13.046 --> 00:21:16.496 Colin: Is there any like discussion or, or like concern about having 00:21:16.496 --> 00:21:20.396 too many languages or too many technologies and things like that? 00:21:20.996 --> 00:21:23.426 Like, like when hiring happens in the future? 00:21:23.426 --> 00:21:23.456 I. 00:21:25.286 --> 00:21:28.166 CJ: I think that we obviously want to. 00:21:29.021 --> 00:21:29.591 Optimize. 00:21:29.621 --> 00:21:32.111 It's, it's a, it's a tricky balance 'cause you want to sort of optimize 00:21:32.111 --> 00:21:35.591 for productivity, but you also wanna optimize for having enough candidates 00:21:35.591 --> 00:21:39.131 like, you know, job candidates who might be in the pipeline that will 00:21:39.131 --> 00:21:40.361 know the stuff you're working on. 00:21:41.841 --> 00:21:46.611 So I think right now looking at the, I think it's rails, devs. 00:21:47.506 --> 00:21:47.706 Colin: Yeah. 00:21:47.781 --> 00:21:48.681 CJ: The Rails dev site. 00:21:48.681 --> 00:21:52.801 There's like plenty of rails developers that are on the market. 00:21:52.801 --> 00:21:54.121 And then I don't know. 00:21:54.161 --> 00:21:58.111 I, I think like when I'm using Rails and being productive with Rails, I 00:21:58.111 --> 00:22:01.981 feel like there's, it's a, it's hard to make the argument, you know, that 00:22:01.981 --> 00:22:05.131 we should use something else and move slower just so that we can hire people 00:22:05.131 --> 00:22:06.541 who might know that thing later. 00:22:07.201 --> 00:22:08.971 Colin: It's funny that you say slower too. 00:22:09.001 --> 00:22:12.601 'cause Well, it's like the idea of like, more like, would you be looking for 00:22:12.601 --> 00:22:17.071 a Rails developer who also knows next and all this like T three stuff, which 00:22:17.071 --> 00:22:19.141 probably, I'm sure they're out there. 00:22:19.141 --> 00:22:22.651 Like you've, you've been learning it, but it's, it makes it look like that 00:22:22.651 --> 00:22:28.261 unicorn, you know, tech ninja, the job, you know, stereotypical job posting 00:22:28.266 --> 00:22:31.921 where you have to know all these things to get a job here and, and it, it 00:22:31.921 --> 00:22:33.391 sounds like you guys could easily have. 00:22:33.946 --> 00:22:37.846 Some Rails engineers, some T three engineers, things like that. 00:22:38.326 --> 00:22:42.616 I mean, this is also kind of on our agenda, but like the, the success of 00:22:42.621 --> 00:22:46.786 selling tickets at Rails Worlds will speak to the fact that Rails, as we've said 00:22:46.791 --> 00:22:48.826 many times on the show, rails is not dead. 00:22:49.346 --> 00:22:54.201 And I think tickets for Rails Worlds sold out in 45 minutes which is. 00:22:54.636 --> 00:22:58.846 Pretty awesome and great to see that like more, more conferences in the 00:22:58.846 --> 00:23:02.416 rail space is just gonna help you know, when you guys are ready to 00:23:02.416 --> 00:23:04.306 find, you know, and grow the team. 00:23:04.801 --> 00:23:05.821 CJ: Yeah, totally. 00:23:05.911 --> 00:23:09.511 And there's so many, so we, we started with Jumpstart Pro, which 00:23:09.511 --> 00:23:12.061 is Chris Oliver's like starter kit. 00:23:12.211 --> 00:23:16.591 And then we've, every time I turn around there's like, oh, we need this 00:23:16.591 --> 00:23:18.301 feature, or we need that feature. 00:23:18.301 --> 00:23:21.331 And it's just like, oh yeah, we just drop in a gem, configure it like 00:23:21.331 --> 00:23:23.641 this, and we're off to the races. 00:23:23.641 --> 00:23:25.051 Whether that's auditing. 00:23:25.996 --> 00:23:28.696 Calendaring Notifications. 00:23:28.756 --> 00:23:28.996 Yeah. 00:23:29.026 --> 00:23:29.536 Payments. 00:23:29.536 --> 00:23:30.736 Like all of this stuff. 00:23:30.766 --> 00:23:36.676 There's so many well baked libraries in the Rails ecosystem that 00:23:36.676 --> 00:23:38.926 like, it's pretty easy to trust. 00:23:39.316 --> 00:23:42.316 Like as long as you kind of like do your due diligence about which 00:23:42.316 --> 00:23:46.756 specific one you're gonna use, like you can pretty much trust something. 00:23:46.846 --> 00:23:48.766 So yeah. 00:23:49.486 --> 00:23:51.526 What's the tech stack like over at Discord? 00:23:52.546 --> 00:23:56.206 Colin: Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting, like internally we actually use quite 00:23:56.206 --> 00:24:00.076 a few languages, but externally, like in the developer relations role, 00:24:00.736 --> 00:24:03.076 developers can build bots in any language. 00:24:03.076 --> 00:24:06.421 So, Something that we've kind of talked about before with like, 00:24:06.451 --> 00:24:09.631 we, you know, we talked about how Stripe made their SDKs and things. 00:24:09.691 --> 00:24:12.061 All of our SDKs are our third party. 00:24:12.741 --> 00:24:14.871 And we have no fewer than 10. 00:24:15.051 --> 00:24:19.281 Like, I don't know what's, I'm still sorting through, like, I'm very new at 00:24:19.281 --> 00:24:22.071 this job, so I'm like kind of getting the sense of the, the lay of the 00:24:22.071 --> 00:24:24.801 land and what has been done before. 00:24:25.621 --> 00:24:30.296 The person I work with has been doing DeVere by themselves with the engineers. 00:24:30.296 --> 00:24:34.316 So like, the engineers have been wearing multiple hats and they've been doing 00:24:34.316 --> 00:24:37.886 a great job with like the resources that they had, but it's like, there's 00:24:37.891 --> 00:24:41.366 like, you know, two rust libraries. 00:24:41.366 --> 00:24:43.766 There's a few Python ones, there's a ruby one. 00:24:43.976 --> 00:24:47.426 There's a, there's like a Julia and a Lua library. 00:24:47.426 --> 00:24:50.756 So there's all these SDKs that developers can build. 00:24:50.966 --> 00:24:52.076 A bot, an app. 00:24:52.676 --> 00:24:54.026 In any of those languages. 00:24:54.026 --> 00:24:57.146 And the thing that I've been getting doing more of is more like 00:24:57.596 --> 00:25:02.186 CloudFlare workers or Google app what was it like Google Cloud Run? 00:25:02.606 --> 00:25:08.791 So being able to kind of this like Lambda style type of hosting where 00:25:08.791 --> 00:25:11.221 you don't have to worry about running VMs and things like that. 00:25:11.221 --> 00:25:14.551 So you could build a bot and then deploy it in JavaScript or Ruby. 00:25:15.371 --> 00:25:21.981 In Lambdas with like a p i gateway, or you can do that with, you know, whichever 00:25:21.981 --> 00:25:23.481 server stack you're, you're doing. 00:25:23.481 --> 00:25:26.176 And traditionally, a lot of people use the Discord gateway. 00:25:26.181 --> 00:25:29.446 So like the, the job is a little bit interesting that we have rest APIs, 00:25:29.446 --> 00:25:33.326 but most of the developers are using like a web socket gateway to actually 00:25:33.326 --> 00:25:38.396 receive messages on, on a connection that you have to like, keep alive 00:25:38.396 --> 00:25:39.836 and you have to keep listening to it. 00:25:39.836 --> 00:25:47.106 And so just navigating all of that, so I'm working on a Google Calendar bot for like, 00:25:47.106 --> 00:25:50.376 that sits in your discord and tells you when you have a meeting and all of that. 00:25:50.806 --> 00:25:55.186 So very similar to the one that if you've ever used the Google Calendar Slack app. 00:25:55.406 --> 00:26:00.146 So this one's kind of like my own little pet side project, just to like get my 00:26:00.146 --> 00:26:04.766 head around all of the things that we offer and all of the challenges that 00:26:04.766 --> 00:26:08.486 developers run into so that I can then go back to the team and say like, this is. 00:26:09.041 --> 00:26:13.691 Either not possible or it's not well documented, in which case then 00:26:13.691 --> 00:26:15.161 I'll be writing new docs for that. 00:26:15.221 --> 00:26:17.171 So yeah, it's going well. 00:26:17.531 --> 00:26:18.071 CJ: Nice. 00:26:18.551 --> 00:26:21.911 For the, like the libraries that are out there. 00:26:22.976 --> 00:26:25.166 Do you have a sense of the usage? 00:26:25.376 --> 00:26:29.456 Like is it like the node one is used 50% more 00:26:29.501 --> 00:26:33.641 Colin: Discord, JSS is the most used based on, I. 00:26:34.126 --> 00:26:37.036 I think we, I mean even just based on like GitHub stars, I think it's 00:26:37.036 --> 00:26:41.006 the most I don't know about actual, like requests, but I get the sense 00:26:41.006 --> 00:26:45.816 that like most of our apps, like, or like apps when it's bots or apps are. 00:26:47.016 --> 00:26:48.876 Python and JavaScript. 00:26:49.126 --> 00:26:52.996 So like, there's definitely a long tail of people running like Lua, 00:26:52.996 --> 00:26:55.096 crystal, all those other languages. 00:26:55.156 --> 00:26:56.536 But but you can do it. 00:26:56.536 --> 00:27:01.096 I'm sure you could somehow probably do an app in R if you really wanted to. 00:27:01.501 --> 00:27:01.981 CJ: totally. 00:27:02.911 --> 00:27:03.121 Yeah. 00:27:03.121 --> 00:27:09.981 So at Stripe we there was this feature inside of The s the official SDKs. 00:27:10.041 --> 00:27:13.671 And then there was, there's like a, a thing that we exposed where people 00:27:13.671 --> 00:27:19.041 could set app info, which was basically like a little bit of information about 00:27:19.041 --> 00:27:20.421 where the request was coming from. 00:27:20.631 --> 00:27:23.541 And we kind of just appended that to a user agent string. 00:27:24.136 --> 00:27:28.456 And so the idea was like, oh, if you're using version X of a, of a 00:27:28.456 --> 00:27:33.796 library that is an official Stripe library, we can track and see like, oh, 00:27:33.796 --> 00:27:38.056 this is how many requests are coming from each different version of each 00:27:38.056 --> 00:27:39.796 specific library that we maintained. 00:27:40.156 --> 00:27:47.446 And then we encouraged the third parties to add that because if we saw that there 00:27:47.446 --> 00:27:50.206 was a community owned library that was. 00:27:50.841 --> 00:27:57.141 Just had like outsized usage, like then we would have an incentive to go 00:27:57.141 --> 00:27:59.641 and sponsor them with GitHub sponsors. 00:27:59.761 --> 00:28:03.751 And so we could figure out like, oh, which community library, you know, is 00:28:03.751 --> 00:28:08.371 doing the most volume and like, how can we help them be more successful? 00:28:08.371 --> 00:28:11.661 And so oftentimes we would try to like give them access to. 00:28:12.516 --> 00:28:13.476 Betas early. 00:28:13.476 --> 00:28:17.046 We would also try to like give them heads up for stuff because we knew the usage. 00:28:17.076 --> 00:28:20.446 And I think that's like, it's kind of tricky especially 'cause I think there's 00:28:20.451 --> 00:28:24.406 some communities that are probably more likely to star in GitHub, right? 00:28:24.411 --> 00:28:25.066 Than other communities. 00:28:25.071 --> 00:28:26.986 They might just like, oh, I'm gonna like download the thing. 00:28:26.986 --> 00:28:30.196 But like, it's hard to know like, how much is this thing actually being used 00:28:30.196 --> 00:28:35.086 And also like some languages, Just like the, the workflow for some languages 00:28:35.116 --> 00:28:38.476 make it look like, oh, that library has been downloaded a bajillion times. 00:28:38.686 --> 00:28:40.336 But really it's just because like, okay. 00:28:40.336 --> 00:28:40.546 Yeah. 00:28:40.546 --> 00:28:43.246 It's being downloaded on your local machine every time you 00:28:43.246 --> 00:28:45.196 start the server or something. 00:28:45.196 --> 00:28:48.196 Or maybe it's being downloaded your machine and 00:28:48.331 --> 00:28:49.701 Colin: It's like in the CI step. 00:28:49.861 --> 00:28:50.161 Yeah, 00:28:50.536 --> 00:28:51.136 CJ: exactly. 00:28:51.136 --> 00:28:55.426 So like maybe it's not actually being downloaded that many times or, you 00:28:55.696 --> 00:29:00.496 Colin: N p m and n p m usage in Stars is definitely not like that 00:29:00.496 --> 00:29:04.546 good of a, a signal, but like I star stuff to remember it later. 00:29:04.546 --> 00:29:08.476 I don't necessarily do it because I'm using it, so I, I've been like 00:29:08.476 --> 00:29:11.806 using the GitHub has like folders now for stars, which is nice. 00:29:11.806 --> 00:29:16.966 So I've got like my Discord stars and my open a p I Stars 00:29:16.996 --> 00:29:17.956 and all these different things, 00:29:18.211 --> 00:29:18.901 CJ: That's cool. 00:29:19.201 --> 00:29:21.961 What is the, what was it like to integrate with a calendar like 00:29:21.961 --> 00:29:23.431 Google Calendar AI or a p i? 00:29:23.431 --> 00:29:25.861 I've never like played with that one yet. 00:29:25.861 --> 00:29:25.921 I. 00:29:26.386 --> 00:29:27.466 Colin: Yeah, it's been good. 00:29:27.546 --> 00:29:31.476 Like this is where I was like, I think running into OAuth 00:29:31.476 --> 00:29:33.456 is always the, the, the pain. 00:29:33.876 --> 00:29:37.086 But now I can do, like, I'm just replicating exactly the 00:29:37.086 --> 00:29:38.676 commands that the Slack one has. 00:29:39.006 --> 00:29:42.156 So like, you'll be able to do like slash gal today and it'll show you 00:29:42.156 --> 00:29:43.686 all the things that you have today. 00:29:44.226 --> 00:29:47.436 Because it's calendars, I still haven't sat through like. 00:29:48.246 --> 00:29:54.606 What hap like I don't actually know if Discord gives me your time zone 00:29:54.606 --> 00:29:58.236 or not, so I might need to have like a setting that you get to define 00:29:58.236 --> 00:30:01.896 your time zone so that I can always keep everything in your time zone. 00:30:02.276 --> 00:30:05.846 But like u t C wise, it's easy to say like, these are the next 00:30:05.846 --> 00:30:07.286 things coming up in your day. 00:30:07.706 --> 00:30:07.946 Right. 00:30:07.946 --> 00:30:09.266 It's just a point in time. 00:30:09.266 --> 00:30:13.406 So there is a little bit of the like cool working with calendars. 00:30:13.506 --> 00:30:17.406 The most complicated thing is that the Slack one will tell you like two 00:30:17.406 --> 00:30:23.496 minutes before your meeting and you cannot subscribe to events on that. 00:30:23.976 --> 00:30:25.896 You have to do that yourself. 00:30:26.376 --> 00:30:30.966 So if I know that you have 10 meetings today, which sounds awful to have 00:30:30.971 --> 00:30:33.636 10 meetings, but let's say, let's say you have four meetings today. 00:30:34.701 --> 00:30:35.931 One of them changes. 00:30:35.931 --> 00:30:40.791 I don't want to just schedule four like CR jobs or four scheduled events. 00:30:41.151 --> 00:30:42.891 I need to also be monitor. 00:30:43.161 --> 00:30:46.341 I do get a notification from Google anytime the event changes. 00:30:46.671 --> 00:30:49.701 So if it's been canceled, it's been moved, it's been whatever. 00:30:49.971 --> 00:30:55.011 So I would have to like constantly keep a list of scheduled alerts that 00:30:55.011 --> 00:30:57.591 are like scheduled jobs, but then. 00:30:57.766 --> 00:31:00.936 S so I'm still figuring out like what's the most efficient way to do that. 00:31:00.936 --> 00:31:04.626 It's like, is it really efficient to check every minute to see if there's 00:31:04.626 --> 00:31:08.706 an event that's happening in two minutes, or schedule them and then 00:31:08.706 --> 00:31:11.196 Unschedule reschedule, push them around. 00:31:11.556 --> 00:31:15.196 So I'm trying to figure that out in a way too where, like if we're using Redis or 00:31:15.196 --> 00:31:19.576 something, like if your Redis dies, do you lose all your schedules and, and things 00:31:19.691 --> 00:31:19.911 CJ: Mm. 00:31:20.871 --> 00:31:21.351 Yeah. 00:31:21.411 --> 00:31:23.061 Yeah, because you wanna persist. 00:31:23.661 --> 00:31:24.531 I, yeah. 00:31:24.536 --> 00:31:29.021 I think when we, we ran into a similar problem with at my vr when we were 00:31:29.471 --> 00:31:32.781 trying to manage events related to, I. 00:31:32.906 --> 00:31:37.946 A booking, like, oh, the cus like the guest is gonna check in on the first and 00:31:37.946 --> 00:31:39.206 they're gonna check out on the third. 00:31:39.656 --> 00:31:43.406 But you wanna schedule like a message that's like 48 hours before. 00:31:43.406 --> 00:31:46.436 It's like the welcome message with your, this is the door code and 00:31:46.436 --> 00:31:47.606 the wifi password and whatever. 00:31:47.606 --> 00:31:49.856 And then you want to schedule a message like after that's 00:31:49.856 --> 00:31:51.206 like, give me five stars. 00:31:51.481 --> 00:31:53.371 And then everywhere in between, right? 00:31:53.371 --> 00:31:57.451 Like you might want to have something happen five days before and 1 24 hours 00:31:57.451 --> 00:32:01.171 after check-in and, you know, 24 hours before checkout, you wanna remind 00:32:01.171 --> 00:32:02.401 them, like do the dishes or whatever. 00:32:02.461 --> 00:32:07.771 And so I definitely remember this whole thing of like, what happens when the 00:32:07.771 --> 00:32:12.021 event changes and what happens when like yeah, it's fired at a different. 00:32:13.256 --> 00:32:14.336 A different time or whatever. 00:32:14.696 --> 00:32:18.126 And so we're actually, I mean, that's like a, a problem that we need 00:32:18.126 --> 00:32:20.106 to solve at Craftwork too, right? 00:32:20.136 --> 00:32:20.466 Yeah. 00:32:20.466 --> 00:32:24.696 Like, you know, before we go to a project, we wanna send someone in a 00:32:24.696 --> 00:32:27.996 prep email that's like, oh, here's a bunch of stuff that you'll probably 00:32:27.996 --> 00:32:32.166 want to move out or cover or whatever, so that we can get in and, and paint. 00:32:32.166 --> 00:32:36.246 And like also at the end, you know, Hey, please give us a. 00:32:36.566 --> 00:32:39.866 If you, if you enjoyed it, like we, we'd appreciated a review or, 00:32:40.196 --> 00:32:43.916 you know, here's some before and after photos of your job, like so. 00:32:44.711 --> 00:32:48.791 Colin: for some of them I've seen like the job, let's just say it did move. 00:32:48.796 --> 00:32:52.421 You still keep the scheduled job and the job itself checks to see 00:32:52.421 --> 00:32:53.891 if the job is still valid or not. 00:32:54.281 --> 00:32:55.841 And so instead of un. 00:32:56.241 --> 00:32:59.841 Maintaining a list of all your job IDs and when they're supposed to 00:32:59.841 --> 00:33:02.331 go off, you can just fire them all. 00:33:02.391 --> 00:33:04.881 But if they're no longer valid in the window that you 00:33:04.881 --> 00:33:07.001 want, They just end, right. 00:33:07.001 --> 00:33:08.711 They don't do the step that they need. 00:33:08.711 --> 00:33:11.231 So yeah, it sounds like you're gonna be doing lots of like 00:33:11.231 --> 00:33:13.271 business process logic stuff, right? 00:33:13.271 --> 00:33:16.751 Where it's, you know, if, when this thing, when this step is 00:33:16.751 --> 00:33:18.101 done, we have these other steps. 00:33:18.106 --> 00:33:19.061 What's the next step? 00:33:19.066 --> 00:33:23.231 What happens if a step is canceled or, you know, there's a lot of state 00:33:23.231 --> 00:33:24.791 going on there, which is interesting. 00:33:25.401 --> 00:33:27.381 Some stuff that we ran into at Penny Drop too. 00:33:27.831 --> 00:33:28.371 CJ: Yes. 00:33:28.431 --> 00:33:29.241 Yeah, totally. 00:33:29.781 --> 00:33:32.121 I think the way that we solved it at my vr, if I remember 00:33:32.121 --> 00:33:34.911 correctly, was we literally just had a job that ran every minute. 00:33:35.391 --> 00:33:38.691 And so every single minute we would do a query that's like, is anything 00:33:38.691 --> 00:33:39.771 supposed to go out right now? 00:33:40.371 --> 00:33:44.421 And then if so, then we would fan out and schedule those things to be delivered. 00:33:44.871 --> 00:33:47.451 And most of the time it was no, it was like, no, no, no, no, no. 00:33:47.451 --> 00:33:50.601 And then every so often we'd have a cash hit that was like, oh yeah, actually 00:33:50.601 --> 00:33:52.671 you're supposed to send this guest email. 00:33:52.971 --> 00:33:53.151 But 00:33:53.931 --> 00:33:59.241 Colin: Well, in 99% of events and calendars start at the hour, the 00:33:59.241 --> 00:34:01.461 half hour, and the 15 minute mark. 00:34:01.461 --> 00:34:04.551 So you'd obviously still wanna check all the minutes in between. 00:34:04.941 --> 00:34:07.731 For me, with a p I limits, it's like, do you. 00:34:08.301 --> 00:34:11.901 Constantly just maintain a list of all the events that a person has today, 00:34:12.591 --> 00:34:16.461 or do you go every minute and check Google, which then you'll run into 00:34:16.461 --> 00:34:18.681 a p i quota problems pretty quickly. 00:34:19.161 --> 00:34:19.611 So, 00:34:19.626 --> 00:34:19.956 CJ: Yeah. 00:34:19.956 --> 00:34:23.196 I think the idea on your end of like, oh, I'm gonna keep just the database 00:34:23.196 --> 00:34:28.926 of the events and then use webhooks to keep updating that, and then 00:34:28.971 --> 00:34:30.111 Colin: chron every minute. 00:34:30.426 --> 00:34:31.056 CJ: exactly. 00:34:31.086 --> 00:34:35.916 Chron every minute, see if one is due to notify or whatever, and then fire it off. 00:34:35.946 --> 00:34:36.306 Yeah. 00:34:37.626 --> 00:34:37.926 I don't know. 00:34:37.986 --> 00:34:38.436 It's fun. 00:34:38.436 --> 00:34:40.086 It's like a fun little fun little problem. 00:34:40.086 --> 00:34:41.556 What are you, what are you building it with? 00:34:42.231 --> 00:34:43.971 Colin: I'm doing it in JavaScript. 00:34:44.571 --> 00:34:44.931 Yeah. 00:34:45.271 --> 00:34:45.561 CJ: Okay. 00:34:45.791 --> 00:34:46.281 Very cool. 00:34:46.371 --> 00:34:50.661 Colin: So I'm hoping to move it to TypeScript to also get 00:34:50.666 --> 00:34:51.531 familiar with TypeScript. 00:34:51.531 --> 00:34:55.341 We use TypeScript for a lot of stuff, and so I haven't used it in 00:34:55.341 --> 00:34:58.821 like other than like sample apps and small tutorials and things. 00:34:58.821 --> 00:35:01.731 So get the types. 00:35:02.676 --> 00:35:06.816 CJ: And have you heard of this company Ingest I N N G E S T? 00:35:07.476 --> 00:35:12.776 They do we use them for background jobs with our next jss app, and they're pretty 00:35:12.846 --> 00:35:17.266 pretty new little startup, but they have like some pretty solid background 00:35:17.266 --> 00:35:19.576 jobs, stuff that works pretty nicely. 00:35:19.576 --> 00:35:23.606 It like calls back to your functions that are in next jss. 00:35:24.206 --> 00:35:25.466 Colin: Wow, this is like. 00:35:26.006 --> 00:35:29.486 Everything but it's new is old or whatever that phrase is. 00:35:30.896 --> 00:35:31.106 Yeah. 00:35:31.106 --> 00:35:34.016 This, this is cool in jest, we'll put this in the show notes, but Yeah. 00:35:34.021 --> 00:35:36.686 We used to use a company I worked at a long time ago, we used to 00:35:36.691 --> 00:35:39.416 use iron io or iron workers, 00:35:39.986 --> 00:35:41.906 and it sounds very similar, very like. 00:35:43.121 --> 00:35:47.861 You fire off, you know, your, your scheduled job and they take care 00:35:47.861 --> 00:35:50.261 of making sure that it ran and you don't have to take care of it. 00:35:50.561 --> 00:35:53.801 Thankfully, there's a lot of this stuff, you know, everything from CEL 00:35:53.801 --> 00:35:58.211 and Lambda and you gotta go build it yourself using those, those things. 00:35:58.216 --> 00:36:01.221 But the one that I've been most impressed with is so far 00:36:01.221 --> 00:36:03.411 has been the CloudFlare stuff. 00:36:03.861 --> 00:36:07.626 'cause I've always thought of CloudFlare as like, just like, CDNs 00:36:07.626 --> 00:36:10.056 and stuff like that, but you can actually run your workers at the 00:36:10.056 --> 00:36:12.911 edge and you get a key value store. 00:36:13.181 --> 00:36:17.981 So doing off and storing that stuff, you know, in, in the key, key 00:36:17.981 --> 00:36:20.321 value store has been pretty nice. 00:36:20.966 --> 00:36:23.726 But I don't think I wanna store all the events for a 00:36:23.726 --> 00:36:25.226 person in that key value store. 00:36:25.226 --> 00:36:28.376 So that's, that's the tricky thing that I need to figure out is 00:36:28.466 --> 00:36:31.496 whether it's Postgres or something that's gonna be the event store. 00:36:31.496 --> 00:36:31.646 And 00:36:31.751 --> 00:36:32.171 CJ: Mm-hmm. 00:36:32.846 --> 00:36:33.926 Colin: yeah, it's kind of fun. 00:36:33.956 --> 00:36:37.436 The, the interesting thing about this project is that the most of the work, and 00:36:37.436 --> 00:36:39.266 the challenge is not on the discord side. 00:36:39.266 --> 00:36:41.096 It's purely on the calendar side. 00:36:41.726 --> 00:36:45.206 And I think that's the same for if you wanted to integrate with 00:36:45.356 --> 00:36:46.466 Asana, if you wanted to integrate. 00:36:46.466 --> 00:36:51.576 It's like, Once you have the skeleton for sending and receiving and doing all the 00:36:51.576 --> 00:36:56.316 stuff with discord, it's then what does the thing actually do on the other side? 00:36:56.316 --> 00:37:00.486 And that's the calendar, the asana, the craft work, a p i, whatever it is, 00:37:00.486 --> 00:37:02.376 it's like, you know, slash discord. 00:37:02.376 --> 00:37:04.926 Send me a, send me out a paint quote. 00:37:05.766 --> 00:37:06.186 CJ: Mm-hmm. 00:37:06.536 --> 00:37:06.986 Yeah. 00:37:07.796 --> 00:37:12.116 Have you, I think, I can't remember if you were using Linear at, were 00:37:12.121 --> 00:37:13.946 you using linear at Orbit or, 00:37:14.606 --> 00:37:16.916 Colin: No, we were, what were we using? 00:37:18.086 --> 00:37:19.256 JIRA and Notion. 00:37:19.676 --> 00:37:20.156 CJ: okay. 00:37:20.246 --> 00:37:20.636 Okay. 00:37:21.326 --> 00:37:26.996 I've really liked the workflow with Linear in Slack where like 00:37:26.996 --> 00:37:29.636 someone reports something you do like slash linear, what's the issue? 00:37:29.636 --> 00:37:29.846 And then. 00:37:30.746 --> 00:37:31.946 It's like so simple. 00:37:31.946 --> 00:37:35.186 Like the modal that pops up is like really clean and simple and 00:37:35.196 --> 00:37:35.916 Colin: to check that out. 00:37:36.156 --> 00:37:37.236 CJ: yeah, give it a shot. 00:37:37.236 --> 00:37:38.476 It's it's pretty nice. 00:37:39.046 --> 00:37:44.236 Colin: Like historically, most of the apps in Discord are not work apps. 00:37:44.791 --> 00:37:45.061 This 00:37:45.076 --> 00:37:45.496 CJ: right? 00:37:45.676 --> 00:37:46.546 Yes, yes. 00:37:46.576 --> 00:37:46.816 It's like 00:37:47.131 --> 00:37:50.431 Colin: is it, and then like, do you want your linear sending 00:37:50.431 --> 00:37:52.141 you a message in Discord? 00:37:52.141 --> 00:37:55.171 Or like if your team doesn't use Slack, then you might. 00:37:55.691 --> 00:37:59.501 But yeah, this idea of using discord for work, I think is, is more new. 00:37:59.501 --> 00:38:03.641 So we use Discord at Discord, so that's why we want this. 00:38:03.671 --> 00:38:04.031 Right. 00:38:04.121 --> 00:38:07.751 And I selfishly I want it 'cause I have definitely been late to meetings 00:38:08.201 --> 00:38:12.096 because I'm used to, like, for years I would just, Slack would tell me I 00:38:12.096 --> 00:38:13.656 have to be somewhere and I would go. 00:38:14.196 --> 00:38:18.216 And for some reason Google Calendar, like local desktop notifications, 00:38:18.216 --> 00:38:20.706 I'm just like blind to them, so. 00:38:21.251 --> 00:38:21.671 CJ: Yeah. 00:38:22.331 --> 00:38:26.671 At Stripe, someone had built like this I think it was called like Google 00:38:26.671 --> 00:38:28.111 Calendar Bar or something like that. 00:38:28.321 --> 00:38:30.691 It like, put it in your Apple status bar. 00:38:30.691 --> 00:38:33.601 It would show you like, this is the next event that you have coming up. 00:38:34.181 --> 00:38:37.211 And then I think it did do like push notification, like, 00:38:37.376 --> 00:38:41.246 Colin: I have that with Fantastical, which is really, really cool. 00:38:41.726 --> 00:38:43.466 Well, it's, it's the best calendar app. 00:38:44.216 --> 00:38:45.776 Also put that in the show notes like 00:38:45.941 --> 00:38:46.391 CJ: Yeah, 00:38:46.706 --> 00:38:51.176 Colin: it's a paid calendar app, which is hard to, but it like super 00:38:51.181 --> 00:38:52.856 powers when it comes to calendaring. 00:38:52.861 --> 00:38:52.976 So 00:38:53.351 --> 00:38:53.921 CJ: nice. 00:38:53.981 --> 00:38:54.401 Okay. 00:38:54.761 --> 00:38:55.301 Very cool. 00:38:56.111 --> 00:38:56.621 Awesome. 00:38:56.771 --> 00:39:01.001 Yeah, I, are you going to try to go to Rails World or 00:39:01.256 --> 00:39:02.216 Colin: So it's sold out. 00:39:02.216 --> 00:39:04.526 So I don't have, there's no tickets. 00:39:04.616 --> 00:39:10.736 I don't know how much we will be like, as far as, like, if it was my own personal 00:39:10.736 --> 00:39:12.326 thing, I might be able to go next year. 00:39:12.326 --> 00:39:13.966 But we'll have to see. 00:39:13.966 --> 00:39:14.476 I don't know. 00:39:14.481 --> 00:39:14.866 Like we don't, I. 00:39:15.481 --> 00:39:18.121 I'm still figuring out like what conferences do we 00:39:18.121 --> 00:39:19.501 go to, how do we do that? 00:39:20.131 --> 00:39:23.551 Things like G d C we've been to in the past, it makes a little bit more sense for 00:39:23.551 --> 00:39:27.841 Discord, for game developers and stuff, building stuff in Discord, but, or like, 00:39:27.901 --> 00:39:31.741 we now have Discord on PlayStation and things like that, but Rails I think is a 00:39:31.746 --> 00:39:35.881 little bit of a, like, you wouldn't build a, a bot or an app probably in Rails. 00:39:35.911 --> 00:39:38.371 Maybe it was Sinatra and some of those other things, but. 00:39:38.956 --> 00:39:41.236 I guess you could, you could do it in Rails still. 00:39:41.326 --> 00:39:44.066 It's just do a Rails, a p i app instead. 00:39:44.756 --> 00:39:46.016 So we'll see. 00:39:46.166 --> 00:39:48.591 I think it, it would be, Fun to go. 00:39:48.651 --> 00:39:51.441 I think the speakers were announced for this year and it's 00:39:51.441 --> 00:39:53.061 cool to see who's, who's going. 00:39:53.061 --> 00:39:56.511 There's a very strong 37 signals contingent. 00:39:56.581 --> 00:40:00.671 Obviously Chris from Go Rails is speaking, which is awesome to see. 00:40:00.941 --> 00:40:01.991 Shout out to Chris. 00:40:02.321 --> 00:40:05.891 A bunch of people I met at Rails Comp this year are also speaking, so have 00:40:05.891 --> 00:40:09.101 fun in Amsterdam and curious to hear. 00:40:09.131 --> 00:40:11.771 Maybe we'll find somebody who does go and get them to come 00:40:11.771 --> 00:40:13.241 join us on the show afterwards. 00:40:13.856 --> 00:40:14.546 CJ: Yeah, totally. 00:40:14.546 --> 00:40:15.086 That'd be fun. 00:40:15.146 --> 00:40:20.246 I think, I mean, I'm hopeful that we'll be able to make it to some of 00:40:20.246 --> 00:40:22.836 these rails conferences coming up. 00:40:22.836 --> 00:40:25.536 That one was like, just the timing of it was rough. 00:40:26.146 --> 00:40:29.421 Colin: Yeah, I think they, it was also a very small set of tickets, so 00:40:29.421 --> 00:40:30.681 like it sold out, which is awesome. 00:40:30.681 --> 00:40:32.631 But it was, it's a small conference on purpose. 00:40:33.641 --> 00:40:36.341 It'll be interesting to see where it moves in the world. 00:40:36.371 --> 00:40:38.891 Like I think, I wouldn't be surprised. 00:40:38.891 --> 00:40:42.791 We, we still need to get Amanda Perino on here to talk about it, but I think 00:40:42.796 --> 00:40:45.521 they were gonna like go Europe and then like Australia or something. 00:40:45.946 --> 00:40:47.336 CJ: Whoa, that'd be cool. 00:40:47.891 --> 00:40:49.931 Colin: I think that would really affect like attendance. 00:40:49.936 --> 00:40:54.086 So I'm sure there's lots of Rails devs in, in Australia and New 00:40:54.086 --> 00:40:56.141 Zealand and things, but we'll see. 00:40:56.771 --> 00:40:57.881 CJ: Yeah, totally. 00:40:59.231 --> 00:40:59.681 Right on. 00:41:00.071 --> 00:41:02.621 I think that's a good spot to wrap it up. 00:41:03.581 --> 00:41:03.881 So 00:41:03.931 --> 00:41:06.721 Colin: for, thanks for listening to our little bit of a rambles and an 00:41:06.721 --> 00:41:11.701 update, some job updates, some tech stacks, and we'll jump into some more. 00:41:11.731 --> 00:41:14.971 Just kinda, it sounds like we both have enough stuff going on that we'll be 00:41:14.971 --> 00:41:19.861 able to start sharing updates on our adventures and CloudFlare workers and 00:41:19.861 --> 00:41:21.961 building out rails apps for new startups. 00:41:21.961 --> 00:41:23.281 So thanks for tuning in. 00:41:24.331 --> 00:41:26.341 CJ: As always, you can hit over to build and learn.dev. 00:41:26.371 --> 00:41:28.681 We'll drop all those links for things we talked about. 00:41:29.221 --> 00:41:30.841 And that's all for this episode. 00:41:30.841 --> 00:41:33.031 Thanks so much for listening, and we'll see you next time. 00:41:34.276 --> 00:41:34.786 Colin: See ya.