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In this episode of Retailgentic, host Scot sits down with Mike Edmonds, PayPal’s VP of Agentic Commerce & Commercial Growth, to unpack the massive pivot PayPal has made into the Agentic Commerce era, and what it means for retailers, brands, platforms, and developers.
Mike goes deep on:
- PayPal’s Agentic Bet: Why PayPal is going all-in on Agentic Commerce
- Merchant Anxiety, Explained: The real reason so many merchants are anxious about LLMs
- Instant Checkout 2.0: Where PayPal sees Instant Checkout heading next
- Wallets as Identity: Why wallet identity will matter more than ever
- 2030 Predictions: Mike’s bold predictions for shopping agents in 2030
- Two-Track Future: A world split between autonomous commerce and luxury human-led experiences
- Protocol Chaos Simplified: How PayPal plans to tame and unify an explosion of competing protocols
- Merchant of Record Relief: The surprising emotional fear merchants have about disintermediation
As AI agents reshape discovery, checkout, and trust, PayPal is building the rails for the future of digital commerce.
Key Timestamps:
02:15 — Mike introduces his background.
04:45 — How Mike’s career path led directly into PayPal’s Agentic Commerce leadership role.
06:20 — What “VP of Agentic Commerce & Commercial Growth” really means at PayPal.
07:48 — The biggest lessons Mike learned leading AI strategy at Microsoft.
10:35 — What merchants are actually thinking about Agentic Commerce (the real pulse).
12:18 — Mike explains the off-surface vs on-surface Agentic Commerce model.
13:10 — Why merchants feel overwhelmed by LLMs, APIs, and protocol sprawl.
14:47 — PayPal’s role as the one-to-many connector across LLMs and platforms.
16:06 — What technical pieces merchants need in place to integrate Agentic checkout.
17:45 — How on-surface conversational agents can finally boost conversion rates.
19:30 — Why conversational checkout is the missing piece in Agentic shopping.
20:55 — What the Perplexity partnership enables for checkout, payments, and reach.
23:30 — How PayPal is powering ChatGPT Instant Checkout and expanding ACP.
26:12 — Why Agentic protocols are diverging, and how PayPal navigates the chaos.
28:30 — The emotional fear merchants have of LLMs.
30:05 — Mike’s 2030 prediction
31:40 — Why some categories will automate, while luxury experiences stay human.
33:10 — Multimodal will reshape shopping through voice, gestures, and identity.
35:00 — The top concerns merchants raise in every PayPal Agentic conversation.
37:05 — Where to find Mike and what PayPal has coming next.
Key Timestamps:
02:15 — Mike introduces his background.
04:45 — How Mike’s career path led directly into PayPal’s Agentic Commerce leadership role.
06:20 — What “VP of Agentic Commerce & Commercial Growth” really means at PayPal.
07:48 — The biggest lessons Mike learned leading AI strategy at Microsoft.
10:35 — What merchants are actually thinking about Agentic Commerce (the real pulse).
12:18 — Mike explains the off-surface vs on-surface Agentic Commerce model.
13:10 — Why merchants feel overwhelmed by LLMs, APIs, and protocol sprawl.
14:47 — PayPal’s role as the one-to-many connector across LLMs and platforms.
16:06 — What technical pieces merchants need in place to integrate Agentic checkout.
17:45 — How on-surface conversational agents can finally boost conversion rates.
19:30 — Why conversational checkout is the missing piece in Agentic shopping.
20:55 — What the Perplexity partnership enables for checkout, payments, and reach.
23:30 — How PayPal is powering ChatGPT Instant Checkout and expanding ACP.
26:12 — Why Agentic protocols are diverging, and how PayPal navigates the chaos.
28:30 — The emotional fear merchants have of LLMs.
30:05 — Mike’s 2030 prediction
31:40 — Why some categories will automate, while luxury experiences stay human.
33:10 — Multimodal will reshape shopping through voice, gestures, and identity.
35:00 — The top concerns merchants raise in every PayPal Agentic conversation.
37:05 — Where to find Mike and what PayPal has coming next.
Announcements & press releases related to the conversations:
- Perplexity: https://newsroom.paypal-corp.com/2025-05-14-Perplexity-Selects-PayPal-to-Power-Agentic-Commerce
- Google (commerce agent for merchants: https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/financial-services/introducing-an-agentic-commerce-solution-for-merchants-from-paypal-and-google-cloud
- OpenAI: https://newsroom.paypal-corp.com/2025-10-28-OpenAI-and-PayPal-Team-Up-to-Power-Instant-Checkout-and-Agentic-Commerce-in-ChatGPT
- AP2: https://developer.paypal.com/community/blog/PayPal-Agent-Payments-Protocol/ and https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/announcing-agents-to-payments-ap2-protocol
- PayPal’s Agentic Commerce Services: https://newsroom.paypal-corp.com/2025-10-28-PayPal-Launches-Agentic-Commerce-Services-to-Power-AI-Driven-Shopping
👉 Connect with Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeledmonds/
👉 Learn more about PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/us/home
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What is Retailgentic | Consumer Behavior & Retail Trend?
Retailgentic explores consumer behavior and retail trends to help brands and retailers innovate. Join Scot Wingo for expert insights, actionable news, and ecommerce innovation strategies to navigate the future of retail and agentic commerce.