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Robby: The Brand ED Podcast
with Robby Fowler episode 78.

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Revisiting the Seven Deadly Dangers
of Building a Personal Brand Business.

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Become a better leader, lead a better
business, build a life giving brand.

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That's what we're here to do together.

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Running a consulting training or
coaching personal brand business

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and being an entrepreneur is
demanding and often lonely.

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Before, you know it, your, a passenger
and your business takes you on a ride

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with little time to consider what you're
building and why it matters to the world.

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Don't be satisfied with
simply making more money.

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Let's make more than money by
building a brand and business

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worth giving your life to.

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Welcome to the episode today.

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What we're going to do on this episode
is take a look back on what has

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been one of the most popular series.

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We've done on the podcast so far.

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The series is called the seven
deadly dangers of building

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a personal brand business.

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And we're just going to do a quick
reader's digest of some of the

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points from that seven part series.

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And then I'm also gonna mix in a
few things that didn't make the

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cut that didn't make the series.

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So, if you haven't listened to the
series, yet you can go back and check

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that out beginning with episode 56.

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And if you have, this is a great
reminder, or this is a great

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introduction to that series.

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So the spark or the inspiration for
this series are revealed, came from

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a podcast called the rise and fall.

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Of Mars hill.

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Technically that podcast had
little to, nothing to do.

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With personal brands.

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But it does represent a world that
I used to live in quite a bit.

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And what I began to see as
I listened to that series.

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Is the number of parallels between.

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The subject matter and the topics,
and even some of the people

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represented in that series.

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And really what the current trend
to build a personal brand is.

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And at least seven dangers and
similarities popped up between what.

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Is represented in that series, which
is actually celebrity pastors and

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what a modern contemporary 2022
personal brand is trying to do.

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And that means that whatever dangers.

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I may be inherent in the things that
were represented in that podcast.

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Those same dangers are likely going
to be true for a modern personal

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brand because of those similarities.

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So that's where the inspiration
for the podcast series came from.

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And I'll just run through those seven
deadly dangers that we covered real quick.

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And then I'll mix in a few
quotes and other thoughts that

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didn't quite make the series.

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So the first danger was the fact that
personal brands have little to no account

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ability, little to no accountability.

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That's part of the beauty of
the personal brand, right?

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Is that you get to go do your thing.

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That's a strength.

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It's also a weakness
because personal brands.

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By nature have little accountability.

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There's no board of directors.

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There's no one built in inherently
to hold you accountable.

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The second deadly dangers that
personal brands play on a.

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What I call a dangerous field
in that field, like where the

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game is played is the internet
and the internet is dangerous.

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Because of the speed of
the internet and the.

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Just the environment of the
internet that you can be anonymous.

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That you can just fling things out
there digitally that may or may not

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be true in reality, but nobody knows
because stick it on the internet

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and we all know how that goes.

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That becomes reality, that
becomes the perception.

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And then the perception is.

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Reality.

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Deadly danger.

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Number three, we looked at was the
fact that personal brand movement as

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a movement, really, it's very young.

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And it hasn't been around that long.

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And then oftentimes it gets led by
those that are a little bit younger.

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And so the leadership.

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Sometimes the people, some of the heroes
we might look to, they are younger.

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And then the movement as
a whole is also younger.

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So we're not sure what really happens.

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When a giant chunk of
the workforce leaves the.

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Leaves the workforce.

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Spurred on by the pandemic and then.

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Kind of follows this call to
all go start personal brands.

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What's the longterm effect of that.

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We're not real sure.

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However, where there is a parallel.

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And that's what I was seeing in the
rise and fall of Mars hill podcast.

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Deadly danger.

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Number four.

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Personal brands promise freedom.

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But freedom is dangerous.

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Personal brands promise
freedom, but freedom.

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We know this is dangerous.

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That's why.

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A two year old has far less
freedom than a 20 year old.

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And personal brands.

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That's part of what makes them appealing
is you get to chart your own path.

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Set your own course.

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Set your own hours.

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On and on the list goes.

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And so it sounds very enticing to think.

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Finally, I'll get out of someone
else telling me what to do.

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Someone else being in charge,
someone else making foolish mistakes.

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I think your bosses and workplaces,
and I'll get to do my own thing.

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So personal brands promise
freedom, but freedom is dangerous.

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It oftentimes dupes us and
to thinking everyone else.

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Is goofy or dumb for making
these decisions or not

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taking these opportunities.

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And we think if I'm in charge, I
won't make any of those mistakes.

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But they promise freedom,
but freedom can be.

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Dangerous.

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Deadly danger.

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Number five, we said is that personal
brands place a premium value on

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producing, producing content,
producing courses, producing things.

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Not reproducing.

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The difference is equipping
somebody to go do something versus

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just doing something yourself.

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So I can be a great speaker
that does not mean I'm great at

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equipping other great speakers.

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I could be a great consultant.

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That does not mean I'm great at equipping
other consultants to build a wonderful.

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Consulting personal brand.

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There is a big difference between
me being great at doing something.

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It's a whole nother skillset I have found
to helping or equipping someone else to

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do that and to be great at doing that.

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That's a whole nother ball game
and it's much more difficult.

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Rather just rather than just
saying, I'm amazing at doing this.

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Here's what I did.

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You should go do that and
you'll become amazing.

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It makes it look like
it's just a simple recipe.

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Anyone can follow.

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So personal brands place a
premium value on producing.

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Not reproducing.

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And that could be dangerous because
it's just a game of production.

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Number six.

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We said, personal brands can
catch lightning in a bottle.

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You can, you can just
hit the right moment.

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The right topic hit the
right note at the right time.

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And you can catch lightning in a bottle.

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When you take the speed of the internet.

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Plus the fact that anyone and
everyone can have a voice.

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You combine those two and
say, therefore, you can reach,

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you have a tremendous reach.

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Speed.

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Anybody can play.

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Everybody can get the word out.

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So you can catch lightning in a
bottle, but character formation never

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comes at the speed of lightning.

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Character formation.

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What's really beneath the personal brand,
the person beneath the personal brand.

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You don't get character.

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In the form of lightning that takes time.

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That takes growth.

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And so that can cause some
friction or miss a mismatch there.

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Number seven.

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We say personal brands inherently
possess more raw potential

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power than a traditional brand.

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And therefore power in the
wrong hands can be deadly.

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When you stopped to think about it, it's
rare even with huge brands like Nike or

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apple or Google or Pepsi or Coke, or.

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Some of these ginormous brands.

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They, they have a ton of power,
but there's something unique

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about our personal brand.

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If I'm a consultant and I'm a personal
brand and I work with some one or a.

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Company for, a 12 month
engagement and the.

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The relationship goes really, really well.

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What you'll hear at the end of that,
oftentimes is someone expressing

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gratitude, a client or a customer
expressing deep gratitude for a person.

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Because it's a, they're
dealing with a personal brand.

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It is very rare to say some huge brand.

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Like Nike changed my life.

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It's not rare to have someone say.

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Tom.

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You know, Tom Jones, the consultant
man, they changed my business.

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That was the most amazing expat.

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I'm so grateful for him or
I'm so grateful for her.

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So personal brands, because they're
backed by a person, they possess more raw,

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potential power than a traditional brand.

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But power in the wrong hands.

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We know can be.

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Deadly.

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So those are the seven.

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Dangers that we highlighted there,
there certainly could be more.

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One of the things we didn't dive
into in detail in that series

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was just some of the tensions.

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When you run a personal brand, if
you're a consultant, if you're a

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trainer, if you're a coach, if you're.

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Almost any kind of entrepreneur,
that's trying to get something up and

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running, particularly solo entrepreneur.

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Here are some of the tensions that
you're going to face when you do this.

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There's the tension of accountability.

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Versus speed.

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Accountability means you have to slow
down and bring other people along.

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If you want people to have a voice and
say, I'm not sure that's a great idea.

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If you want accountability, that
means you've got to open things

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up to other people, hopefully a
select group of trusted people,

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but you got to open that up.

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The sheer nature of doing that means
you can't move as fast as you could.

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If it's literally just you do what
you want when you want to do it go.

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So there's that tension.

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There's the tension of charisma.

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Versus character.

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And fortunately personal
brands and our culture.

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Is really quick at recognizing
and rewarding charisma.

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We are not nearly as good.

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At recognizing and rewarding character.

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So that's a tension you live in
how charismatic and over the top.

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Should I be some or more naturally
good at that than others.

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Some need to dial down the charisma.

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That's where you would
need to put your efforts.

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Some of us.

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Need to maybe dial it up a little bit,
but you've got this tension between just

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being charismatic will draw a crowd.

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That doesn't mean there's
quality behind it.

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It's just, you have the
ability to draw a couch crowd.

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So there's this tension
of charisma and character.

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There's the tension
between brand building.

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And ego inflation.

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Brand building and ego inflation, right?

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This tension you have to carry.

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As you try to build a personal brand.

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And then there's the tension.

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Maybe we could say certainty
or confidence versus humility.

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Confidence or certainty versus humility.

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There's this tension of people
thought this was a bad idea.

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I pressed ahead.

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I believed in myself.

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I wasn't going to take no for an answer.

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I knew I could do this.

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There's confidence that you need.

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But there also should be
some sense of humility.

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All of us would rather deal
with that kind of person.

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If they're, if we're their
client, if we're their customer.

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Who doesn't want someone
that you're dealing with?

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Who's.

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Humble and gentle.

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And yet at the same time
there's this tension of, yeah,

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but you need to be confident.

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You need to know, you can do it.

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You need to be able to push
through obstacles and challenges.

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And see yourself as the champion.

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There's just a tension there
between how do those work together?

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There's sometimes a tension also
between punchy one-liners very

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big in the personal brand space.

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You need some slogans some
bumper sticker moments.

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These punchy one-liners that you
give either on a tweet or your

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social media or during a talk.

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And principled wisdom.

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It's a tension you've got to face there.

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Responsibility.

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Of me as the leader versus.

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People that are in my audience.

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If I've got this personal brand platform.

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Responsibility.

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What's my responsibility.

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What's their responsibility.

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Okay.

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There is the tension in between just
following your instincts, which is

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very easy to do as a personal brand,
because you're, again, you're not

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having to bring someone else along.

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The tension between just,
Hey, go with your gut, follow

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your instinct versus, what.

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A follow instruction,
follow the lead of others.

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Don't reinvent the wheel.

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There's that tension there between what
should you just go out and do on your own?

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Listen to your gut.

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Maybe kind of go rogue.

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Versus Hey, someone else has
already chartered the course there.

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Just humble yourself.

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Go listen, and go.

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Do what's already been modeled.

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Out in front.

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So those are a few of the tensions that
we may have talked about briefly, but.

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That's what you're carrying with
you and rustling through on a

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day-to-day basis as you try to
grow and build a personal brand.

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Here's a few of the
questions that we just asked.

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Over that seven part series.

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Is w we ask one question
of why don't we care more?

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And why are we so drawn to.

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These real big personal brands that grow
large and powerful and reach a celebrity.

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Level status.

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Why are we so drawn to them?

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Why don't we care more about.

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The reality behind the.

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The fact that that's somewhat fictional.

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Why are we so drawn to it?

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And what does that say about our
own motives that we will put up

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with all kinds of things, just
because this brand reaches some sort

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of, kind of celebrity level type.

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Status.

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Why are we so drawn to those that
have those kinds of gifts and skills?

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Without concern for sometimes the
character necessary to support it.

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So we get drawn to folks that can
build this really big platform.

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They're charismatic.

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They're great at it.

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We just often don't
bother taking the time.

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We're just not as concerned with the
character that you need to support

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that platform, the bigger the platform.

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The wider, the platform.

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The stronger the character underneath,
it needs to be to support that.

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We just see this time and time again.

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And yet.

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All of us, including myself.

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I think I'll be the exception to the rule.

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Get me the platform first, then
I'll figure out the character.

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Piece later and that's unfortunately
not the way it works in real life.

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Another question that we asked is
is it worth leaving some of these

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warning signs just uninterrogated.

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Just.

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Who's got time to ask those questions.

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I'm too busy in the thick of
it, trying to build this thing,

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trying to grow this thing.

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We live in a hyper individualized culture.

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And we often just turned a
blind, turn, a blind eye to that.

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Personal brands, building a personal
brand feeds right into that.

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And at times it's probably worth.

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Another cup of coffee a hot tea, a
walk around the lake to dis give some.

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Sometime to interrogating that a little
bit, just to ask some deeper questions.

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The reason for that would be.

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The we've seen the damage that can happen.

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To what I think are in many ways,
the OGs of the personal branding

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space and it is the celebrity pastor.

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That is out 10 to 12 to 15 years out ahead
of really the current personal brand.

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Trend.

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Because they were going after and
attaining many of the same things,

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a personal brand often wants to
attain or associates with success.

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Build an audience.

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Grow a platform.

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I have a bunch of listeners,
podcast, subscribers, and listeners

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have a content creation machine.

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Get asked to speak and get speaking
engagement get bigger speaker

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speaking engagements, and get
more notoriety and recognition.

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Get more access to more
people in the know.

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Get a, get around bigger names.

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So, so the goal is to just up the
celebrity status level of people that

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you start getting to hang out with,
get book deals turn the monetize,

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those book deals and turn that into.

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Revenue streams, more book deals, more
speaking engagements, build this thing

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up and grow it big and there can be.

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Great motives at the beginning
of that at the outset of that.

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But ironically.

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What many celebrity pastors have
already done and then imploded from

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is the very same thing that many of
us in the personal branding space or.

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I think many times unknowingly
chasing after the very same carrot.

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Therefore, very susceptible to
fall into the very same traps.

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That imploded.

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Because we think that's
completely different.

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You.

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Take the makeup off.

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And you go, whoa, those start
to look very, very similar.

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Let's close with just
a couple of the quotes.

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I'm not sure all of these quotes made
it into the seven part series, but.

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Here's one or two that
still resonate with me.

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I still find myself coming back
to these in and chewing on these.

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One quote that really resonated
with me is this quote, always ask.

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Who benefits?

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Who actually benefits from this.

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Keep that in mind as you listen to.

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Pitches out there from those promising
to help you build a personal brand,

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or it can be anything from get
certified in this, become a certified,

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whatever it is that I offer.

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I think it's helpful to always
ask who benefits and that

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quote has really stuck with me.

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Another quote that I loved is as
this whole thing was exploding.

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And the rise and fall of Mars hill.

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So picture.

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A.

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Personal brand that really begins to gain
traction and just starts to skyrocket.

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It is a little bit of that
lightning in a bottle moment.

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And one of the team members that's
helping, particularly on the media side.

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Add fuel to the rocket.

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That's just,  skyrocketing.

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This person's platform.

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The person that's helping this.

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Happen.

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Says, I mean, I was 23.

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We were doing all of this
crazy stuff and it was working.

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And none of us were thinking about the
repercussions because we never saw them.

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It's like we were pumping
CO2 into the atmosphere.

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But we didn't live in the ant Arctic.

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So we weren't seeing the ice caps melt.

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It wasn't until later when we realized
people were listening and we said, dang,

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People are listening and changing their
lives based on what we thought about.

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For about two seconds.

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Keep that on mine.

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Now, one is humbling.

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When you think about firing
off a tweet or throwing out.

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Something that's.

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Just a little bit of a shock jock
and a talk or something like that.

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Consider the repercussions
because people are listening.

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Some people may be leaving their
jobs because your quote about leaving

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your job and starting a personal
brand business, just be responsible.

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With those things.

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And perhaps one of my favorite
quotes that were so many.

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From that series that I think.

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The rise and fall of Mars hill
series that applies to us in

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the personal branding space.

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Is this quote, we become what we tolerate.

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We become what we tolerate.

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And I think we could push that
even further and say, we become

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what we want really, really bad.

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So if you're trying to build
a personal brand and you've

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got some, heroes out there.

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Yeah, man.

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I want what they have . We
become what we want.

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And what we tolerate is often lurking just
in the shadows of what it is that we want.

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In other words, I want to be
like so-and-so well, they're a

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little rough around the edges.

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I'll tolerate that because of a want that.

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So we become what we tolerate.

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Push that further.

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We become.

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What we want, what we really want bad.

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And  what we tolerate about that
is often lurking in the shadows of

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what it is that we really want bad.

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It will just.

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Cause us to overlook things
and put up with things.

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Sometimes in others.

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And then likewise, we're going
to turn around and do that in

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ourselves as we're building.

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A personal brand business.

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So there's a quick recap, invites
you to go back to that series.

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Again, would love your feedback
on what resonates with you as you

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think about some of these challenges
of building a personal brand.

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Business, a very popular thing to do.

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And 2022.

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Thanks for joining me on this
episode of the brand ed podcast.

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I so appreciate you spending
a little bit of time with me.

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I hope that this resonates with you
as you consider, what does it look

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like to build a personal brand?

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To be an entrepreneur
and build a business.

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But to build the kind of business.

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That doesn't just make money.

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But makes more than money.

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It's the kind of business, the
kind of brand that you can say.

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I'm glad I am giving my life to this.

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And when you look back, you can say, I'm
glad I spent my time, effort and energy

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giving myself to that kind of business,
because I think it did make the world.

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A better place.

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That's what we're about on this podcast.

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