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I'm Travis Bader,
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Silvercore podcast.

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matters related to

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comprise the community.

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ensure you are properly
covered during your

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outdoor adventures.

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Today, I'm joined
by a man who over

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a long career has
acquired a very

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specific set of skills.

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The hunting we'll be
talking about in this

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episode is that of
the two legged variety

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and the world of
international child.

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I'm joined by the owner
of Pegasus ops, which

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locates and rescues,
missing and kidnapped

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children worldwide.

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Welcome to the
Silvercore podcast.

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Jay Jordan

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J

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like this is not
an occupation for

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the faint of heart.

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I mean, w what is
your background and

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how did you get into
this line of work?

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I think in general, the
majority of things that

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I've ever got into in
life, apart from the

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military, I fell into it.

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It's like the universe
has just brought

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everything together
and pulled me in a

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direction that I was
supposed to go to.

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But I'm nine years old.

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I knew I wanted to
join the military.

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Um, I joined the
military at 16.

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Um, when I was in the
military, I served

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the Northern islands
cost of OCR, the rack

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operational tours.

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And there was always this
thing inside me that the

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army was never enough.

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So when I got out the
army being the boisterous

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lab that I was, I
ended up, I ended up

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taking all my savings
from the army and,

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uh, and blowing them.

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And when I went over to
Milan, stayed in Milan

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for a good few months,
then I was living over

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there, not the place
for an ex young soldier

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to, uh, to hang around
considering they spend

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millions teaching us
how to party and drink

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like 10 and 10 euros
a drink over there.

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It was crazy.

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No kidding.

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Uh, so, uh, so my savings
didn't last very long

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anyway, but, um, I ended
up coming back to the

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UK and, uh, when I was
back in the UK, Um,

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I ended up living on
the streets for a bit.

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It didn't phase me in
any way whatsoever.

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I started
writing my book.

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I had ambitions.

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I always knew that I
wanted to go somewhere

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and do something
bigger than what I

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was doing anyway.

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And, uh, when I was,
when I was on the

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streets, this is like
a very long story.

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Can then extend to a very
short period of time.

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I used to check my emails
at the local library.

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That's pretty much
the only place I

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would hang out really.

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Right.

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I received an email
from one of the

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lads in the army.

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They, uh, they
got in touch.

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Tell me that there's
a, contract's

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going out in Iraq.

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So I sent off an email.

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I didn't even know
how to write a CV.

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That's how bad it
was at the time.

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I was 22 at the
time when I got out.

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And you're living on the
streets for how long?

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Yeah, six months I
was on the streets.

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Yeah, wait, wait,
wait and see.

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But I mean, you know,
I used to beg for

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a couple of quid.

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I'd go down to the
local Boozer, which

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wasn't far from where
I was sleeping anyway.

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And then I talked to all
the old veterans down

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there and then, uh, and
then that's been that,

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that, so it's been my
debts and it always made

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them for a good night.

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Yeah.

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That's not too
bad, too bad.

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We get the best
of what you

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got.

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Oh, you go.

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Yeah.

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But when it came to
the fact of, uh, of

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sending this email
off, I literally, um,

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commence my entire
army career into a

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full line paragraph.

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Um, asking if you're
going to jobs going

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basically, uh, I didn't
think anything of it

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didn't think anything
would come of it less

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than a 24 hour period.

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I had an email
in my inbox.

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I'm saying that
certain person was

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going to call me.

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Um, and again, I still,
it still didn't register.

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I didn't know
what the job was.

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I didn't know what
I was applying for.

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I just knew that
I'd emailed somebody

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asking for a job in
Iraq, that's all in.

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And then, uh, I ended
up, uh, going with my

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best mate from school.

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I was helping him
navigate through, uh, for

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Birmingham city whilst
he was doing deliveries.

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And this, this signal
was really, really bad.

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So, uh, as we, as we, as
we're driving down the

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motorway and we're just
about to come off into

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some country roads where
the signal is reading

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by the see that I've got
missed call, um, being

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the young lad that I
was and being a little.

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Um, child and the
mentality of a child,

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it turned out that it
was, um, a previous

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regimental Sergeant
major, the SAS, and

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then that military
training kicks in and

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my heart drops thinking
I've just got off.

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I'm not in anymore, but
that was inside my head.

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Oh no, no, you
definitely don't.

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And that's, that's
the type of bloke, no

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matter what age you
are, you will always

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stand to attention.

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He gets on the
phone to me.

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He calls him by  turns
around and says, uh,

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I'll have a ticket
for you within a week.

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This is what's
going to happen.

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These people are going
to get in touch with you.

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And when you get in
country, I'm going to

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help you write a CV.

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So I was like,
oh, it looks like.

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Wow, that took me
on a wild adventure.

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I really, um, I spent
eight years over in Iraq

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as a private contractor.

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Uh, and it was none of
sorry, five years in Iraq

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as a private contractor.

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Um, it was crazy.

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The minute I landed at
the airport and the rock,

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I, again, I still didn't
know what the job was.

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I didn't know what I
was doing that I also

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knew was that I was
going from one country

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to another country.

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And I know how to shoot.

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That's literally, always
on my mind, I get picked

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up at the airport.

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I got picked up at the
airport and I'm the

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operations manager for
the company pixels up.

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They look at me because I
was 22 years old, skinny

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little kid in their eyes
because the average.

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Of, uh, of the guys that
were out there at the

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time, it was anywhere
between 35 to 45.

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We even had like 65,
75 year old Vietnam

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vets out there.

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And they really, these
guys are like, seriously,

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it makes of Americans.

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We had a lot of south
African, like the

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old school, South
Africa mercenaries

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that used to go into
countries in Africa

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and Dakota, tars and
all this sort of stuff.

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Big burly blokes around
me looking like a stick.

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And they're like looking
at me thinking there's

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going to be some.

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So they throw
a body armor.

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It made it for,
uh, a weapon.

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I mean, AK 47 and
asked me if I knew

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how to use it.

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And I was like, yeah.

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And it threw me
in a vehicle.

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And then next thing
you know, we're driving

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down the road, uh, brew
Irish from the airport

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over to the green zone.

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And there's a vehicle
in front and it's like

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ramen cars off the road.

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You've got vehicle
behind us, which is

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coming up on the side
of us and it's doing all

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the blocking drills to
protect this vehicle.

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And that was probably
the first initial moment

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where I realized I was
getting into something.

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I had no clue
what it was about.

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And it was like
those thoughts that

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were inside my head.

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It was a case of
what the fuck are you

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got yourself into?

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Didn't have a clue.

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What was.

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I didn't totally,
it was weird.

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It really was.

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And even to this day, I
mean, that was in 2004.

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Um, even in 2016, me
and my mate took on a

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contract down in Jackie,
in Afghanistan, and we

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both got there and we
was both going, what are

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we actually doing here?

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Because we did exactly
the same thing, took

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a job, not knowing
what it was, just

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knowing where we're
going and that's it.

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It was great.

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It's, it's mental,
how it all worked out.

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But I get taken over to,
uh, to the green zone

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is around lunchtime.

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We don't have our
ID cards issued or

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anything like that.

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DOD cards for the
U S places to go

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into the USD Fox.

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And, uh, then, uh, we
go down to a cafe called

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the green zone cafe.

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This is a tin
shack building.

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That's all it is.

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Uh, they sell pizzas,
stuff like that.

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Um, plastic tables,
plastic chairs.

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Standing there, we
will do a pizza and all

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you hear was like free
frumps free mortars.

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We launched into the end.

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Everyone took them one
of these plastic tables.

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And I remember clear
as day that the first

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thought that came
through my head,

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this is like within
an hour of actually

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being in country now
to start this new job.

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And the third, the
first thought that was

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inside my head is why
are they underneath

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plastic tables?

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I couldn't, I couldn't
understand it.

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The concept of them being
in the plastic tables

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was more shocking to
me than the fact that

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we got free mortars
in the sky heading

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towards us right now,
the first one explodes.

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And it's like
close enough.

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The second one's
a lot closer.

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And then the guy
that I was with was

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a guy called Louis.

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Really good mate of mine.

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He was, he ended
up dying out there.

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He did, unfortunately.

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It turns around to me
and another guy that

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had just flown and he
said, uh, it's either

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going to hit us or it's
going to just go over us.

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I was standing there
still thinking, what

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are these guys on the
plastic tables and

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jazz are, why are we
still standing there?

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But because I was
because I was like 22

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years old and these
guys were these guys.

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Hawk, or you can see
that, you know, when

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you get a look into
someone, you can see it.

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And me as young, I
would still consider

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myself a kid at that
age, to be honest with

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a mentality, I had to
leave in the army and

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looking at these guys.

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I was like, I'm
not, I'm not moving.

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I'm not, I'm not
doing anything.

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I'm not going to
move until that bloat

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tells me to move.

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I'm not going to do
anything until that

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book tells me to do.

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And he just
couldn't believe it.

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The third one hits,
it goes just over us.

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And then everybody stands
up from underneath these

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tables and chairs and
Bomba start the building.

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The building is now
completely empty before

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we went in there,
there was no tables

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and chairs to sit.

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Let me just goes over,
picks up a chair, sits

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down and waits for his
pizza to be delivered.

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And I was like, this is,
this is, this is unreal.

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What's going on here.

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But as I went through
the process of being

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over there and I
spent five years.

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And I excelled and
excelled for every

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single stage that
I went through.

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Um, you get to see how
that does change you

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as a person, how that
grows you as a person,

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because then you're the
one that's standing there

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picking people up from
the airport and have they

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come in and go through
the same experiences.

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Yeah, I started
up doing that.

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And then, uh, end of
2008, I left the road.

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I went over to
west Africa.

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Um, I did a bit of
maritime on the merchant

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ships, which was pretty
terrible, um, in the

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Gulf of Aden, uh,
against Somali pirates,

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never had any contacts
myself on that for the

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journalism themselves
were more horrendous

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in the fact of the
conditions that you live

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in living on the, in the
way that you're treated

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by the actual officers
within those ships.

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Uh, so it really
wasn't for me.

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Yeah, it was a,
it was sporadic.

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So they'd get shipped.

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I'd go out, I'll go out
for two weeks and I come

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back and then I might be
on a different contract

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while the waiting around
for an of the ship.

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So, and that was going
through the period of,

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uh, end of 2008 through
to the beginning of 2010.

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Really did that pay.

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Yeah.

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Oh, a hundred percent.

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It pays the bills.

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It was literally
free money.

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You're going to
stand on the ship.

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I mean, you can literally
do anything you want.

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As long as you do your
duties on the ship.

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The majority of the time
you end up working out a

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wall shoe on duty anyway,
because you're still

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on the bridge doing it.

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And then you use the
bars and the railings

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and stuff like that.

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And then the food you're
just dropping weight

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and getting ripped.

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Anyway, it was mad
and he had to pay

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good money for it.

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So, uh, so I
didn't complain to.

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Uh, but, um, I did some
contracts out in west

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Africa, uh, in 2009 down
in Guinea-Bissau, uh,

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which was recovering
a load of equipment

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from an old soul from
mine, which was just

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after a year after the
president presidential

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assassination has
been for elections.

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So it was a crazy time
because basically,

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um, all of these
organizations were, they

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were killing each other,
killing literal concerts

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and things like this.

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And the way they do it
is it's a brutal manner.

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Then as you have been
to Africa and you

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know, that cultures and
traditions, but yeah,

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they've got no problems
cut someone's heart out

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and eat it because they
think they're going to

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get the strength from
that person, transfer

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them to themselves.

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It's worth on
that contract.

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That, that was probably
one of the most

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stressful contracts
I've ever came across.

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Um, in the aspect of
how arduous it was.

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Um, the difficult
as we had to move

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in that equipment.

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Um, and obviously
the threats that were

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against us and our prime
frat that was against

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us was the police,
um, really strange.

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Does that sound
considering when we were

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licensed and we was all
good in that country

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and we was doing the
right thing, we had no

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problems whatsoever.

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The police surrounded
us every day.

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And I remember there was
one day where, and again,

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these stupid thoughts
go inside your head.

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We had at least
10 of these, um,

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police officers.

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We've, AKA's all
circled around me.

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And one of a guy
we both had Glocks

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and that was it.

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And they were all
pointing their weapons

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at us demanding money.

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And in the course of
those two months, we

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paid out a lot of money
to in bribes just to

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stay alive so we can
actually get that

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equipment out of there.

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But when I was standing
in the middle of

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that circle, it was
literally it's those

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stupid faults that
are inside your head.

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And I was thinking.

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I'm going to do is
just dive on the floor

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because it's going
to be a comical scene

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because they will

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continuously
through that entire,

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I guess in hindsight,
when you look at that,

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they, they wouldn't
want to slaughter the

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golden goose there.

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If you guys are shelling
out, that kind of

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coin to in bribes,
it's just a show.

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But when you're in the,
in the thick of it,

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I mean, you looking
down the business end

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of a firearm, you do
what you gotta do.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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Um, it turned out,
I think it was about

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six figures that they
ended up paying out

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in, in broad contract.

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And then we got the
stuff out of there and

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that's the equipment
that we're going out.

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And that was
worth millions.

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Like.

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Well, then from that
end of 2009, I got a

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hold of a good contract.

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Time enough.

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Then I went
out to Afghan.

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I spent 11 years
in Afghanistan.

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I only got out of
there last year.

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I was all over that
country and I was

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on all sorts of
different projects.

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It was, it was
mental, um, great

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money at the start.

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I mean, it's phased out,
but in the last, last

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few years, really, um,
but it was something

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that I was doing good.

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It was what I wanted,
what I was doing in

00:15:10.650 --> 00:15:12.329
Iraq that was starting
to die out in Iraq,

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driving around in
three vehicle convoys,

00:15:14.579 --> 00:15:16.530
actually doing your job
as close protection,

00:15:16.560 --> 00:15:19.199
protecting those that
need protecting whether

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that be NGOs or military
officials or whatever.

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Um, cause it was
dying out in Iraq.

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I was getting bored,
but going back to

00:15:25.349 --> 00:15:27.479
Afghanistan, I was
able to do that again.

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Then in Helmand province
and I have more vehicles,

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I was able to train my
own team again and we was

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able to go all over those
dangerous areas again.

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Um, so I enjoyed
the working in it.

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It really lit that
fire inside me.

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It was just fun.

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There's loads of
little jobs I've

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done in between.

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Um, I, in the printer,
I used to provide

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protection for him
when he was going

00:15:49.349 --> 00:15:52.620
through the cold
phase, which was mega.

00:15:52.949 --> 00:15:54.660
Um, I got paid to
go to the Maldives

00:15:54.660 --> 00:15:55.229
and Sage Hills.

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Um, and there was also,
uh, I got into Molly

00:16:00.420 --> 00:16:02.979
just after the coup in
Marley Marley when the

00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.520
toolbox took over the
north, um, that was

00:16:05.520 --> 00:16:08.670
basically post protection
on a, um, the Chinese

00:16:08.670 --> 00:16:09.930
news network CCTV.

00:16:10.650 --> 00:16:12.630
So, so that was a
good contract as well.

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But overall majority
of my time has been,

00:16:15.329 --> 00:16:16.229
uh, Afghanistan

00:16:21.329 --> 00:16:22.349
in that industry.

00:16:23.369 --> 00:16:26.430
So you start by doing,
uh, asset recovery

00:16:26.579 --> 00:16:30.810
vehicles and, and
equipment, and you say,

00:16:30.810 --> 00:16:31.829
Hey, this is pretty good.

00:16:32.339 --> 00:16:33.520
Uh, let's, let's look at.

00:16:34.275 --> 00:16:35.715
Human recovery.

00:16:35.955 --> 00:16:38.835
See if we can start
recovering children, like

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how did that leap start?

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Because it's sort
of a niche industry.

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100%.

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It is.

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Yeah.

00:16:46.365 --> 00:16:46.875
Without a doubt.

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So I started the prime
focus of everything

00:16:49.265 --> 00:16:50.535
I've done is close
with texts and says

00:16:50.535 --> 00:16:51.435
looking after people.

00:16:51.435 --> 00:16:53.265
And there's always been
that, that, that mission

00:16:53.265 --> 00:16:55.995
element of looking after
people in itself, um,

00:16:56.025 --> 00:16:57.465
there's been contracts
where I've done during

00:16:57.565 --> 00:16:59.655
the recovery of assets
and everything like that.

00:17:00.910 --> 00:17:03.489
In 2012, end of 2012.

00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:07.030
Um, I was in Afghanistan
and I received an

00:17:07.030 --> 00:17:08.139
injury hearing injury.

00:17:08.139 --> 00:17:11.679
My left ear went, um, my
age or withdrew back into

00:17:11.679 --> 00:17:13.419
my elk and had nothing
on it from like that.

00:17:13.419 --> 00:17:15.730
So it was, it was
hilarious the way that

00:17:15.730 --> 00:17:18.220
it happened as bad as it
was, because literally I

00:17:18.220 --> 00:17:21.609
do not want this or wish
this upon anyone because

00:17:21.609 --> 00:17:24.879
it is horrendous to feel
this it's like noises

00:17:24.879 --> 00:17:26.889
go inside your head and
it's all jumbled up.

00:17:26.889 --> 00:17:27.819
It's just crazy.

00:17:28.270 --> 00:17:29.770
Um, I could sit
there by myself,

00:17:29.770 --> 00:17:31.510
have a no problems
with the slightest

00:17:31.510 --> 00:17:33.129
noise comes into that
room and that's it.

00:17:33.129 --> 00:17:33.940
My head's a mess.

00:17:34.360 --> 00:17:36.490
It's like, it's
just so confusing.

00:17:36.500 --> 00:17:37.000
What's going on.

00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.060
But really the
company has seriously.

00:17:40.260 --> 00:17:42.550
If you lose your hearing
in any way whatsoever, I

00:17:42.550 --> 00:17:44.110
might say if it was full
blast, I could watch the

00:17:45.070 --> 00:17:46.780
kids come into the room
and talk at the same

00:17:46.780 --> 00:17:49.659
time as that spot go to
a bar, the ambient noise

00:17:49.659 --> 00:17:51.639
in a bar would literally
just destroy me.

00:17:51.639 --> 00:17:53.110
I'll be there for a
headache of in an hour

00:17:53.110 --> 00:17:53.800
and I'll have to leave.

00:17:54.700 --> 00:17:55.210
It's horrible.

00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:57.550
And you still suffer
from that now.

00:17:58.995 --> 00:18:02.355
No six month temporary
hearing loss eventually

00:18:02.534 --> 00:18:03.225
came back out.

00:18:03.804 --> 00:18:05.385
So I was quite lucky
in the aspect of it.

00:18:06.014 --> 00:18:08.264
Um, well the company
had to send me home

00:18:08.264 --> 00:18:09.915
and like I said before,
this is where the

00:18:09.915 --> 00:18:11.175
universe comes into it.

00:18:11.175 --> 00:18:12.554
This is where the
universe has always

00:18:12.554 --> 00:18:14.385
pulled me into the right
directions to put me

00:18:14.385 --> 00:18:15.794
into the right place
at the right time.

00:18:16.605 --> 00:18:20.294
Um, the last contract
where I got this injury

00:18:20.365 --> 00:18:22.185
that I was working on,
I was working with a guy

00:18:22.425 --> 00:18:25.804
that was, um, originally
he grew up in Lebanon is

00:18:25.875 --> 00:18:27.705
British, but he grew up
in Lebanon with his dad

00:18:27.705 --> 00:18:29.715
and my dad always best
mates on Lebanon and

00:18:29.715 --> 00:18:31.185
stuff like this spent
most of his life out

00:18:31.185 --> 00:18:32.865
that doesn't live there
anymore at that time.

00:18:34.125 --> 00:18:35.715
So I met him on
that last contract,

00:18:35.745 --> 00:18:36.675
then I got injured.

00:18:37.004 --> 00:18:38.985
And then whilst I'm
waiting to go home.

00:18:39.794 --> 00:18:40.875
The guy that I knew.

00:18:41.205 --> 00:18:44.024
Um, and to this day, I
still do not remember how

00:18:44.024 --> 00:18:46.034
I met him, but I'd been
talking to him for years.

00:18:46.095 --> 00:18:48.135
And he was always asked
me for a point of contact

00:18:48.135 --> 00:18:51.105
wherever he was someone
that could go in and

00:18:51.105 --> 00:18:52.935
help him to do what he
wanted to do, whether

00:18:52.935 --> 00:18:54.615
that be advice or whether
that be a physical

00:18:54.615 --> 00:18:57.465
operation, never asked
any questions, gave him a

00:18:57.465 --> 00:18:59.534
name, gave him a contact
D and then that was, it

00:18:59.595 --> 00:19:01.784
didn't have any interest
in what he was doing.

00:19:01.784 --> 00:19:03.495
All's I knew that he was
in charge of coverage

00:19:05.054 --> 00:19:07.215
at the same time that I
was waiting to go home.

00:19:07.215 --> 00:19:08.774
He gets in touch and
asked me if I can go

00:19:08.774 --> 00:19:10.514
over to Lebanon to help
him out on this job.

00:19:11.264 --> 00:19:13.395
Um, didn't have a clue
what the job was again.

00:19:14.085 --> 00:19:16.605
But I was like, well,
I seem to be in a

00:19:16.605 --> 00:19:18.315
position where I'm just
going home and I've got

00:19:18.315 --> 00:19:19.274
nothing to do right now.

00:19:19.304 --> 00:19:19.725
So yeah.

00:19:21.705 --> 00:19:23.115
So, uh, so we'll go home.

00:19:23.715 --> 00:19:25.395
He meets it with me
and, uh, I was living

00:19:25.395 --> 00:19:26.325
in Cyprus at the time.

00:19:26.685 --> 00:19:27.764
It makes a mean Cyprus.

00:19:28.544 --> 00:19:30.075
Uh, we have a chat
about what it is.

00:19:30.165 --> 00:19:32.115
Turns out that I'm a
ruined child were being

00:19:32.115 --> 00:19:34.695
held against their will
father kidnapped the

00:19:34.695 --> 00:19:35.715
child from Australia.

00:19:36.375 --> 00:19:39.060
And, um, Basically,
he was connected

00:19:39.060 --> 00:19:39.780
to Hezbollah.

00:19:39.810 --> 00:19:41.070
The mother and child
were in the Muslim

00:19:41.070 --> 00:19:42.540
controlled town,
which is a Hezbollah

00:19:42.540 --> 00:19:43.200
controlled town.

00:19:43.830 --> 00:19:46.680
And, uh, and there was
armed personnel all

00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:47.879
around them all the time.

00:19:48.540 --> 00:19:49.530
And he couldn't
figure out how to

00:19:49.530 --> 00:19:50.040
get out of there.

00:19:51.120 --> 00:19:54.300
So I flew over with
him and, uh, long story

00:19:54.300 --> 00:19:55.649
short, because I'm not
going to go into too

00:19:55.649 --> 00:19:57.360
many details about this
because I do have a

00:19:57.360 --> 00:19:59.070
book out which tells
you all of the details.

00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:06.870
Um, I go over there,
um, within the first

00:20:06.870 --> 00:20:09.840
seven days of me being
over there, it led to

00:20:10.560 --> 00:20:12.870
us being blocked in by
vehicle guys, jumping

00:20:12.870 --> 00:20:15.120
out with weapons,
Ks, and 40 sevens.

00:20:15.930 --> 00:20:17.820
Um, I was getting around
that vehicle and being

00:20:17.820 --> 00:20:18.629
chased out of town.

00:20:20.280 --> 00:20:23.490
Um, we had, um,
tales on us when we

00:20:23.490 --> 00:20:24.750
was down in Tripoli.

00:20:25.530 --> 00:20:28.080
Um, it was, it
was just mad.

00:20:28.080 --> 00:20:29.510
And I was thinking
to myself, well,

00:20:29.600 --> 00:20:31.050
is this work?

00:20:31.110 --> 00:20:32.220
What is going on here?

00:20:34.350 --> 00:20:35.520
Well, I gave
him my opinion.

00:20:35.610 --> 00:20:38.160
I built up an idea
of an operation, um,

00:20:38.250 --> 00:20:40.200
on knew what he had
to do to be able to

00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:41.160
get them out of that.

00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:42.570
I didn't know
his capabilities.

00:20:42.570 --> 00:20:43.830
I didn't know what
assets he had.

00:20:43.830 --> 00:20:45.330
It didn't know what
the company's assets

00:20:45.330 --> 00:20:48.720
that he had that was
working with advice,

00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:49.980
which I gave to him.

00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:52.170
And after that seven
days, then I left

00:20:52.170 --> 00:20:52.890
and I went back home.

00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:54.120
My mind is set.

00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:54.960
I'm going to get healed.

00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:56.100
I'm going to go
back to Afghanistan,

00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:56.820
but no worries.

00:20:56.820 --> 00:20:58.380
I'm happy with what
I'm doing anyway.

00:20:59.970 --> 00:21:02.130
It was about maybe
about two weeks,

00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:03.450
three weeks later,
something like this.

00:21:04.860 --> 00:21:06.270
He gives me a call, tells
me that it's quit the

00:21:06.270 --> 00:21:07.770
case, which bothered.

00:21:08.804 --> 00:21:11.685
Like really bothered
me and quit working

00:21:11.685 --> 00:21:13.274
on that case quit.

00:21:13.395 --> 00:21:15.135
So he'd been working on
that case maybe about

00:21:15.135 --> 00:21:16.004
six months already.

00:21:16.094 --> 00:21:16.455
Okay.

00:21:16.485 --> 00:21:18.195
I didn't realize how much
money had been put into

00:21:18.195 --> 00:21:19.875
this, but afterwards I
found out that there was

00:21:19.875 --> 00:21:22.935
about 140 to 160 grand or
something like that that

00:21:22.935 --> 00:21:23.985
was put into this case.

00:21:25.274 --> 00:21:26.294
So he decided to quit.

00:21:26.715 --> 00:21:28.395
And then the owner of
his company and asked me

00:21:28.395 --> 00:21:30.314
if I would take on the
case and actually go over

00:21:30.314 --> 00:21:32.054
there to complete it.

00:21:32.145 --> 00:21:34.215
And I'm sitting there
thinking, Ooh, I don't

00:21:34.215 --> 00:21:36.044
know nothing about the
child recovery industry.

00:21:36.104 --> 00:21:39.615
I don't know nothing
about, um, infiltrate,

00:21:39.615 --> 00:21:40.725
you know, actual tray.

00:21:40.764 --> 00:21:42.254
I mean, I know stuff
in the military,

00:21:42.254 --> 00:21:44.385
but on the private
sector side of it.

00:21:45.014 --> 00:21:47.594
Um, but I've always
had the attitude, which

00:21:47.594 --> 00:21:49.844
is you can do anything
you want as long as

00:21:49.844 --> 00:21:50.594
you don't get caught.

00:21:51.375 --> 00:21:55.094
Uh, so, so it
was constantly

00:21:55.094 --> 00:21:55.935
there in my head.

00:21:56.264 --> 00:21:58.064
You could probably
do this if you

00:21:58.064 --> 00:21:58.844
find the right way.

00:21:59.955 --> 00:22:03.304
Um, I sat down with
the misses and we had

00:22:03.675 --> 00:22:07.379
conversations with the
two days later, uh, I was

00:22:07.379 --> 00:22:10.020
going back to Afghanistan
was solid, stable,

00:22:10.020 --> 00:22:11.190
financially stable.

00:22:11.190 --> 00:22:12.060
Everything's good.

00:22:12.060 --> 00:22:13.080
I'm enjoying my job.

00:22:13.139 --> 00:22:15.360
Do I, do I do
something here?

00:22:15.810 --> 00:22:17.190
And the question that
kept coming up was

00:22:17.190 --> 00:22:18.480
who else is going
to go over that?

00:22:18.540 --> 00:22:20.250
Who else is actually
going to go and get

00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:24.540
in that mode or that
they've been abandoned

00:22:24.570 --> 00:22:28.740
now by what four of
us at the time, this

00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:30.210
is a professional
company because I've

00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:31.590
been working for
professional companies.

00:22:31.590 --> 00:22:33.330
I would expect that
this company that's

00:22:33.330 --> 00:22:34.740
dealing with children
and this, these sort

00:22:34.740 --> 00:22:36.570
of situations to be a
professional company.

00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:37.530
Right.

00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:40.740
And, uh, and it, it
really dug deep and

00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:43.020
every single time that
question came up, who

00:22:43.020 --> 00:22:43.770
else is going to do it?

00:22:43.800 --> 00:22:44.940
Who else is
going to do it?

00:22:45.655 --> 00:22:48.745
Um, and I would say
that the majority of

00:22:48.745 --> 00:22:51.115
decisions in my life
has always been, uh,

00:22:51.505 --> 00:22:53.425
developed through,
fuck it, moments.

00:22:53.455 --> 00:22:55.195
It's that, it's that
moment when you sit

00:22:55.195 --> 00:22:58.225
in there and you can't
make a decision on

00:22:58.225 --> 00:23:01.105
anything, or when you
write that email and

00:23:01.105 --> 00:23:02.575
you write that email
to someone and you're

00:23:02.575 --> 00:23:05.035
like, does that sound a
little bit too abrupt?

00:23:05.425 --> 00:23:07.165
And it's like, fuck
it, press that book.

00:23:07.855 --> 00:23:08.575
And that's what it was.

00:23:09.205 --> 00:23:09.375
Yeah.

00:23:09.375 --> 00:23:10.015
That's what it is.

00:23:10.245 --> 00:23:13.255
So the decision was made
like that and it was

00:23:13.255 --> 00:23:16.345
like, no, I can't, I
cannot let them sit there

00:23:16.345 --> 00:23:17.605
thinking that everyone's
given up on them.

00:23:18.685 --> 00:23:19.615
So I did, I went over.

00:23:21.254 --> 00:23:22.185
I get over there.

00:23:22.575 --> 00:23:25.785
Um, I, again, learning
on the job, you

00:23:25.785 --> 00:23:26.595
gotta remember this.

00:23:26.595 --> 00:23:28.245
Isn't my forte, this
isn't what I do.

00:23:28.905 --> 00:23:29.235
Right.

00:23:30.235 --> 00:23:31.185
I was there.

00:23:31.185 --> 00:23:32.415
I was learning on
the job, right?

00:23:32.415 --> 00:23:33.254
What do I need
to do here?

00:23:33.635 --> 00:23:36.075
I've got to figure this
out, out, everything I've

00:23:36.075 --> 00:23:38.655
learned in the past, when
the contracting world,

00:23:38.685 --> 00:23:41.805
the private military
world, the, the military

00:23:41.805 --> 00:23:44.985
itself, you're always
learning on the job no

00:23:44.985 --> 00:23:47.205
matter what, you always
adapting to situations.

00:23:47.205 --> 00:23:50.325
I mean, we've all, we all
know the model, right?

00:23:50.655 --> 00:23:52.635
So that's literally
what I was doing for

00:23:52.635 --> 00:23:53.715
that entire operation.

00:23:54.014 --> 00:23:56.115
So it was a case of like,
right, I need to do this

00:23:56.115 --> 00:23:57.795
and I need to do this
and I need to do this.

00:23:58.095 --> 00:23:59.024
How do I do this?

00:23:59.024 --> 00:23:59.715
How do I do this?

00:23:59.715 --> 00:24:00.645
How do I do this?

00:24:01.155 --> 00:24:02.865
Um, I need these
people, these people,

00:24:02.865 --> 00:24:04.425
these people, how
do I get these

00:24:04.425 --> 00:24:05.205
people and all this?

00:24:05.205 --> 00:24:07.155
And, uh, it just started
working out like that

00:24:07.274 --> 00:24:09.014
one step at a time,
one step at a time.

00:24:09.555 --> 00:24:10.695
It took me a good
few months to do.

00:24:13.620 --> 00:24:14.850
Power of elimination.

00:24:14.909 --> 00:24:16.379
I eliminated ideas.

00:24:16.439 --> 00:24:18.210
I rent eventually
realized when I

00:24:18.210 --> 00:24:18.990
was in Lebanon.

00:24:19.800 --> 00:24:23.129
The last major attempt
I had was, uh, was a

00:24:23.129 --> 00:24:25.500
meet and there was a run
to me and not expected

00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:26.399
in any way whatsoever.

00:24:26.909 --> 00:24:27.330
I was trying to.

00:24:28.149 --> 00:24:30.520
To befriend the captain
of a boat, um, asking

00:24:30.520 --> 00:24:32.740
them how it could get
packaged out of the

00:24:32.740 --> 00:24:35.110
country without anybody
knowing about it.

00:24:36.520 --> 00:24:40.330
And to my knowledge, did
I know that he took me

00:24:40.330 --> 00:24:42.280
into an office, which
I thought was a boating

00:24:42.280 --> 00:24:44.200
office where I'd have
to bluff my way out

00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.570
of there turned out
to be Lebanese mafia.

00:24:47.470 --> 00:24:49.149
They, uh, they
strip searched me.

00:24:49.149 --> 00:24:50.649
They took all my
electronic devices.

00:24:50.649 --> 00:24:52.030
And then I ended up
standing in front of

00:24:52.030 --> 00:24:55.330
the Lebanese mafia in my
underwear saying, I need

00:24:55.330 --> 00:24:57.280
you to get a practice
out of this country.

00:24:59.439 --> 00:25:00.370
It was just weird.

00:25:05.260 --> 00:25:05.520
It was

00:25:09.250 --> 00:25:10.270
just so weird.

00:25:10.270 --> 00:25:11.409
It was the real Italia.

00:25:12.939 --> 00:25:13.330
The me.

00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:16.710
This is a Hezbollah
controlled area

00:25:16.710 --> 00:25:17.430
of Lebanon wasn't

00:25:17.730 --> 00:25:18.030
no.

00:25:18.450 --> 00:25:18.870
Yeah, no.

00:25:18.870 --> 00:25:20.910
So it's at this
point where you've

00:25:20.910 --> 00:25:23.010
got certain areas
which are controlled

00:25:23.370 --> 00:25:25.560
and protected by the
molars and Hezbollah

00:25:25.560 --> 00:25:28.740
themselves very divided.

00:25:29.070 --> 00:25:31.290
So this was closer
towards Christian areas,

00:25:31.290 --> 00:25:35.010
but this was a Muslim,
um, um, Harbor area.

00:25:35.670 --> 00:25:35.970
Gotcha.

00:25:36.060 --> 00:25:37.710
Um, fishermen's areas.

00:25:37.800 --> 00:25:40.170
So it's probably mixed
anyway, but this guy

00:25:40.170 --> 00:25:42.240
is in there and the
meeting went fine.

00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:44.190
The meeting was fantastic
apart from the fact

00:25:44.190 --> 00:25:45.360
that I'm standing
there in my underwear,

00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.950
complete swap, but he
offered me a price.

00:25:50.010 --> 00:25:51.720
I said, I'll,
I'll mull over it.

00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:52.530
And I'll think about it.

00:25:52.530 --> 00:25:54.270
The price was
extortionate.

00:25:54.270 --> 00:25:55.560
There's no way that
we could afford it.

00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:57.270
And, uh, and that's
another thing.

00:25:57.270 --> 00:25:58.950
When I came onto the
case, that's when I

00:25:58.950 --> 00:26:01.200
realized how little
money they had left.

00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.830
Out of that
140, 160 grand.

00:26:05.100 --> 00:26:06.660
And that was,
that was actually

00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:08.490
originally put into it.

00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:10.230
So I was quite shocked
about that as well.

00:26:10.890 --> 00:26:12.360
So I'm on a minimal
budget as well, to

00:26:12.360 --> 00:26:13.050
try to fix this.

00:26:13.470 --> 00:26:15.570
I was looking for a
small boat to be able to

00:26:15.570 --> 00:26:16.760
sneak out and then meet.

00:26:16.760 --> 00:26:17.490
And another boat.

00:26:17.550 --> 00:26:19.620
Those plans were falling
through every plan that

00:26:19.620 --> 00:26:21.090
I was coming up with
was falling through

00:26:21.390 --> 00:26:22.350
on the Lebanese side.

00:26:23.610 --> 00:26:25.110
So sitting, I was
thinking to myself, I

00:26:25.110 --> 00:26:26.040
need to regroup here.

00:26:26.040 --> 00:26:28.680
This, this is not going
to work on this side.

00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:30.210
I have to figure
something out on

00:26:30.210 --> 00:26:31.050
a different angle.

00:26:31.110 --> 00:26:34.080
And, um, I went down
to the beach and I was

00:26:34.080 --> 00:26:36.180
with the grandfather
of the kid at the time.

00:26:36.180 --> 00:26:38.340
And the grandfather
is, uh, is one of these

00:26:38.340 --> 00:26:41.310
blokes who likes to tour
and he's done everything.

00:26:41.820 --> 00:26:43.830
I'm not saying
anything bad about him.

00:26:44.250 --> 00:26:47.130
He was very annoying
because he just kept

00:26:47.130 --> 00:26:49.830
talking to me and talking
to her and he was telling

00:26:49.830 --> 00:26:51.210
me how to do my job.

00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.280
And I was just like,
that wouldn't work.

00:26:53.280 --> 00:26:54.570
That's like
literally suicidal.

00:26:54.630 --> 00:26:57.280
You're asking me to get
like, um, you know, the

00:26:57.300 --> 00:27:00.960
kids, no, Boats that
you get at the beach

00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:03.360
and then you float
the kids around one

00:27:03.360 --> 00:27:04.700
of them, I'll be fine.

00:27:05.040 --> 00:27:07.110
We can hook up
some batteries.

00:27:07.659 --> 00:27:09.389
And I was just like,
you're going to die.

00:27:09.990 --> 00:27:12.389
You go down this road
and you're going to die.

00:27:13.139 --> 00:27:16.680
But the more that you
spoke to me and as

00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.200
annoying as it was on
all of the ideas, cause

00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.540
it was constant pressure
on me, 24 hours a day,

00:27:21.540 --> 00:27:23.010
and I'm still trying
to figure stuff out.

00:27:23.010 --> 00:27:24.530
And it was, it was
not stressful thing

00:27:24.550 --> 00:27:24.960
I've ever done.

00:27:25.950 --> 00:27:28.020
Um, the more he spoke
to me, the more I was

00:27:28.020 --> 00:27:30.930
like, hold on, I've got
a better way to do that.

00:27:32.070 --> 00:27:32.820
And that's
when I decided.

00:27:33.690 --> 00:27:35.580
I need to get about
the Cyprus Cyprus.

00:27:35.580 --> 00:27:37.320
I know, I know
everything there is

00:27:37.320 --> 00:27:38.129
to know about Cypress.

00:27:38.129 --> 00:27:39.870
I know where to find the
right people to do the

00:27:39.870 --> 00:27:40.920
right job all the time.

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.360
I did that for a long
time at this point.

00:27:44.190 --> 00:27:45.750
Um, so I was like,
yeah, this is what

00:27:45.750 --> 00:27:46.110
I'm going to do.

00:27:46.590 --> 00:27:49.050
I booked over the
Cyprus and that's

00:27:49.050 --> 00:27:51.090
when I started hanging
around the marina.

00:27:51.510 --> 00:27:52.950
Um, long story
short on this.

00:27:52.950 --> 00:27:55.260
This is where, um, I
ended up connecting

00:27:55.260 --> 00:27:56.370
with the Cypriot mafia.

00:27:56.520 --> 00:27:59.100
The Cypriot mafia helped
me to get a boat within

00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:00.930
rigged up that boat,
which took another week.

00:28:01.470 --> 00:28:03.810
Um, basically building
steel frames on it,

00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:05.370
um, fish finders.

00:28:05.430 --> 00:28:07.560
So we could have a cover
story on the other side

00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:08.970
as efficient vessel.

00:28:09.450 --> 00:28:11.760
The story was weak as
fuck the cover story

00:28:11.760 --> 00:28:13.139
to go over there on
this boat, it was

00:28:13.139 --> 00:28:14.940
horrendous, but he works.

00:28:16.590 --> 00:28:19.050
So we make that all
the boat that cost us

00:28:19.050 --> 00:28:21.149
a fair bit of money
anyway, which was extra

00:28:21.149 --> 00:28:22.889
money that the client
had to pay for it.

00:28:23.159 --> 00:28:24.180
This was a solid plan.

00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:26.310
I brought in a neck,
I'm a Royal Marine

00:28:26.310 --> 00:28:28.139
commander as a Coxen.

00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:31.800
And, uh, and, and this
bloke, he was like one

00:28:31.800 --> 00:28:33.300
of the most amazing
blokes I've ever met

00:28:33.300 --> 00:28:34.200
because he was nuts.

00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:39.120
Um, when I say nuts,
I'm talking modern

00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:43.350
Murdoch scale, um, from
the 18, when he's like,

00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.480
oh my God, it was boy.

00:28:45.560 --> 00:28:47.370
He was, he was solid
at the same time.

00:28:47.370 --> 00:28:50.340
And it was like, he
was devoted, dedicated

00:28:50.340 --> 00:28:52.889
100% straight down
line that's okay.

00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:55.290
He's just crazy
at the same time.

00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:58.440
And I thought perfect
bloke to take this boat,

00:28:58.649 --> 00:29:02.040
which I'd hope makes
it over 120 nautical

00:29:02.040 --> 00:29:05.700
miles of sea to get
to another country

00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:06.810
with the cover story.

00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:10.120
That he did it as a
drunken bet that he

00:29:10.120 --> 00:29:10.780
couldn't make it.

00:29:14.800 --> 00:29:17.139
I swear to God,
that was it.

00:29:17.170 --> 00:29:17.680
That's all.

00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:19.570
It was, he was
drunk in a bar.

00:29:19.570 --> 00:29:20.870
Someone bet that he
couldn't make it to

00:29:20.889 --> 00:29:22.810
Lebanon and he had
to go to Lebanon.

00:29:22.900 --> 00:29:23.770
And that's why he did it.

00:29:24.490 --> 00:29:27.129
Um, by the time the boat
got there, we put a steel

00:29:27.129 --> 00:29:29.320
frame on some fiberglass
holes for starters.

00:29:29.860 --> 00:29:33.070
Um, that wasn't good
because obviously it

00:29:33.070 --> 00:29:34.900
starts to shake loose and
the fiberglass starts the

00:29:34.900 --> 00:29:35.680
breakaway and wherever.

00:29:36.535 --> 00:29:37.945
So we have problems with
that and we have to get

00:29:37.945 --> 00:29:38.905
repairs on that on there.

00:29:39.225 --> 00:29:41.185
As soon as we got
down on that side, the

00:29:41.185 --> 00:29:42.985
repairs were obviously
bastardized as best

00:29:42.985 --> 00:29:45.325
as possible, but there
wasn't a solid, um,

00:29:45.715 --> 00:29:48.745
and his job was to
control the water side.

00:29:48.745 --> 00:29:50.035
And basically he
had to do all of the

00:29:50.035 --> 00:29:51.085
records on the water.

00:29:51.085 --> 00:29:53.035
So he was looking for
coast guard vessels

00:29:53.035 --> 00:29:54.775
that could possibly
hinder our extraction.

00:29:55.435 --> 00:29:57.865
Um, he was looking for
any military vessels.

00:29:57.865 --> 00:29:59.395
He was looking for
any fin that could

00:29:59.395 --> 00:30:01.315
possibly get in
our way whatsoever.

00:30:01.345 --> 00:30:04.075
And the most critical
part was that when I'd

00:30:04.075 --> 00:30:05.995
find a place on the
coast, I can get to,

00:30:05.995 --> 00:30:08.935
from my pickup point,
I need him to check

00:30:09.055 --> 00:30:10.735
if he can pick me up
from that location.

00:30:10.795 --> 00:30:12.265
And that was the only
communication that we

00:30:12.265 --> 00:30:13.525
had between each of
them until the very

00:30:13.525 --> 00:30:14.335
day of the operation.

00:30:15.565 --> 00:30:16.465
It all worked out.

00:30:16.645 --> 00:30:18.145
There was lots of
things that went wrong,

00:30:18.175 --> 00:30:19.405
but there was lots of
things that went wrong.

00:30:20.280 --> 00:30:22.590
Um, I did the land
side of the operation,

00:30:22.590 --> 00:30:24.570
which led me down so
many different roads.

00:30:25.260 --> 00:30:29.250
Um, but overall, we ended
up in a situation where

00:30:29.310 --> 00:30:30.330
I picked up the mother.

00:30:30.600 --> 00:30:32.429
Um, we ended up
in a safe house.

00:30:32.429 --> 00:30:33.629
I'm not going to go
into the details of

00:30:33.629 --> 00:30:36.000
why, because you can
get the book for this.

00:30:37.800 --> 00:30:38.699
Cause I'm giving
a lot away.

00:30:38.699 --> 00:30:38.939
Right.

00:30:38.939 --> 00:30:43.350
Then we ended up in a
safe house, which was

00:30:43.590 --> 00:30:45.479
technically the longest
night of my life.

00:30:46.110 --> 00:30:48.929
Um, and then from there
we moved onto the boat.

00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:51.929
Um, and then we got
on that boat and I

00:30:51.929 --> 00:30:54.300
wanted to, one of the
hardest parts I fought,

00:30:54.300 --> 00:30:54.959
I would come across.

00:30:55.800 --> 00:30:57.540
We get that boat and
I'm going to go across.

00:30:57.540 --> 00:30:58.740
We've just proven
it comes across the

00:30:58.740 --> 00:30:59.610
water, but it's broken.

00:31:00.120 --> 00:31:01.860
What are we going
to do to get back

00:31:02.250 --> 00:31:03.870
considering there's
more people on the boat.

00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:07.170
And again, it was the
Cypriot mafia that came

00:31:07.170 --> 00:31:09.450
to the rescue, which
is strange because

00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:10.770
people are shocked.

00:31:10.770 --> 00:31:13.320
When I tell you
that these organized

00:31:13.320 --> 00:31:16.500
crime elements, these
underground networks

00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:17.640
work alongside me.

00:31:18.030 --> 00:31:21.990
They work better for
me than what the actual

00:31:21.990 --> 00:31:23.970
forum is do, because they
actually care about the.

00:31:27.304 --> 00:31:29.014
And we know who those
organizations are

00:31:29.014 --> 00:31:30.365
and they're the ones
that we go after.

00:31:30.725 --> 00:31:33.245
But when it comes to
like cigarette smugglers

00:31:33.245 --> 00:31:36.064
or your different types
of organized crime and

00:31:36.064 --> 00:31:37.594
all that, that they're,
they're big on kids.

00:31:37.594 --> 00:31:38.945
That really aren't,
the Cypress is very

00:31:38.945 --> 00:31:40.205
family-orientated
as well.

00:31:40.205 --> 00:31:43.054
So that worked massively
and they drove a

00:31:43.054 --> 00:31:44.885
boat out into the
middle of the meds.

00:31:44.975 --> 00:31:46.145
So they stayed in
the middle of the

00:31:46.145 --> 00:31:47.945
Mediterranean on
the secret side of

00:31:47.945 --> 00:31:49.084
international waters.

00:31:49.175 --> 00:31:50.165
We got to that point.

00:31:50.254 --> 00:31:52.205
And then they picked
us up from that, took

00:31:52.205 --> 00:31:53.314
us back to Cyprus.

00:31:53.854 --> 00:31:55.445
And then we got the
kid in the mobile home.

00:31:56.254 --> 00:31:59.104
That was my first
introduction to something

00:31:59.104 --> 00:32:01.655
that I've never done in
my entire life before.

00:32:01.715 --> 00:32:05.435
And I was like, Ooh,
this is all of this.

00:32:06.334 --> 00:32:07.504
This is crazy.

00:32:07.745 --> 00:32:10.895
So the book's called
angel in the shadows.

00:32:13.534 --> 00:32:15.365
And if people want
to get that book,

00:32:15.435 --> 00:32:17.344
he's at a, just
through your website.

00:32:18.375 --> 00:32:18.645
Yeah.

00:32:18.645 --> 00:32:20.535
So, um, we've got
it going through the

00:32:20.535 --> 00:32:21.435
publishers website.

00:32:21.435 --> 00:32:23.385
We've got it on
amazon.co.uk.

00:32:23.445 --> 00:32:25.425
And currently we're
looking at again on

00:32:25.425 --> 00:32:27.045
Amazon in America.

00:32:27.045 --> 00:32:28.095
So there'll
be amazon.com.

00:32:28.455 --> 00:32:29.205
It's not there yet.

00:32:29.625 --> 00:32:32.205
Um, the other night we
sold two nights ago.

00:32:32.205 --> 00:32:34.305
Now we sold out on
hardback copies and

00:32:34.335 --> 00:32:37.785
currently this paperback
coffee, coffee is a it's

00:32:37.785 --> 00:32:39.675
available for pre-orders.

00:32:40.245 --> 00:32:42.045
So I'm still waiting
on the date for that

00:32:42.045 --> 00:32:43.635
to actually come out,
but we can get it

00:32:43.635 --> 00:32:44.505
on pre-orders now.

00:32:44.745 --> 00:32:47.445
Um, we can put the links
up as well, and I want

00:32:47.445 --> 00:32:48.045
to get there on there.

00:32:49.545 --> 00:32:52.035
So there's loads,
loads of wasted.

00:32:53.055 --> 00:32:57.465
So how much of this job
is client management and

00:32:58.995 --> 00:33:01.725
strategy planning, the
operation planning the

00:33:01.725 --> 00:33:05.345
recovery, as opposed to
the, the actual recovery.

00:33:07.530 --> 00:33:11.040
I would say that the
recovery side of things

00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:13.409
is probably one of
the easiest parts of

00:33:13.409 --> 00:33:15.840
the entire operation,
managing clients.

00:33:15.870 --> 00:33:18.389
It's, it's a, it's
a massive thing.

00:33:18.449 --> 00:33:20.730
Um, we have to do
everything that we can to

00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:23.010
continuously keep on top
of them because we have

00:33:23.010 --> 00:33:25.169
to teach them and train
them on certain things.

00:33:25.679 --> 00:33:27.810
We have to be able
to, um, control them

00:33:27.810 --> 00:33:30.000
mentally so they can
actually stay calm in

00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:30.899
the right situations.

00:33:30.899 --> 00:33:33.899
We have to be able to
teach them to, uh, about

00:33:33.899 --> 00:33:35.850
operational security
for starters, because

00:33:35.850 --> 00:33:37.560
they always want to
pass news by home.

00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:39.990
Things like time
management is key to

00:33:39.990 --> 00:33:42.209
success because the
minute that someone

00:33:42.209 --> 00:33:44.459
starts letting things
slip and there's

00:33:44.459 --> 00:33:47.070
information going across
electronic communications

00:33:47.699 --> 00:33:49.530
on, on what we are doing
and how we're going

00:33:49.530 --> 00:33:51.629
to go about it, then
the mission is over.

00:33:51.629 --> 00:33:53.730
It's it's, it's not
vulnerable anymore.

00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.639
Um, the planet of
the operation is.

00:33:57.750 --> 00:34:00.330
All the time, every
single minute, every

00:34:00.330 --> 00:34:02.220
single day, you're
thinking of something

00:34:02.310 --> 00:34:02.970
you're testing.

00:34:03.690 --> 00:34:06.150
Um, we plan things into
the details because

00:34:06.150 --> 00:34:08.460
obviously the majority
of stuff we do is very

00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:09.810
covert and the only time.

00:34:09.830 --> 00:34:12.330
And if anyone knows
that we've been anywhere

00:34:12.330 --> 00:34:14.370
near those sort of
areas is at the time

00:34:14.370 --> 00:34:15.090
of the operation.

00:34:16.755 --> 00:34:18.284
You got to have your
cover stories in place.

00:34:18.284 --> 00:34:19.815
You've got to build
your cover stories

00:34:19.815 --> 00:34:21.435
to make sure that
it depends on what

00:34:21.435 --> 00:34:23.115
situation you were about
to get yourself into.

00:34:23.115 --> 00:34:26.295
You have to step up and
take the risks to get

00:34:26.295 --> 00:34:27.435
the information you need.

00:34:27.465 --> 00:34:29.835
Um, as an example, some
of the operations I've

00:34:29.835 --> 00:34:33.525
done, um, I've got myself
arrested or detained on

00:34:33.525 --> 00:34:37.455
purpose on a border of
two countries purposely

00:34:37.455 --> 00:34:40.245
to find out what assets
that they had now to do

00:34:40.245 --> 00:34:42.105
that without anything
coming back on me, I

00:34:42.105 --> 00:34:44.385
had to set up a cover
story for two weeks and

00:34:44.385 --> 00:34:46.875
then that cover story
had to be solid and

00:34:46.875 --> 00:34:49.395
obviously nothing true
in any way whatsoever

00:34:49.485 --> 00:34:50.685
about why are you there?

00:34:51.105 --> 00:34:53.205
And then I'd actually
go in, commit to

00:34:53.205 --> 00:34:55.665
this, get myself
detained on the border.

00:34:56.145 --> 00:34:57.735
They would then hold
me higher to look

00:34:57.735 --> 00:34:59.415
into all of the laws,
the regulations,

00:34:59.415 --> 00:35:00.255
what can they do?

00:35:00.975 --> 00:35:01.965
How can this go?

00:35:02.265 --> 00:35:03.225
What should I expect?

00:35:03.225 --> 00:35:03.795
Things like this.

00:35:04.665 --> 00:35:05.295
I got detained.

00:35:05.295 --> 00:35:06.285
They questioned
me for an hour.

00:35:06.285 --> 00:35:07.455
They checked out
my cover story.

00:35:07.455 --> 00:35:08.535
That question
then before.

00:35:09.600 --> 00:35:11.609
Information about them
entire operation on the

00:35:11.609 --> 00:35:14.310
border for the whole of
the country, because they

00:35:14.310 --> 00:35:16.439
gave me free range to
go to the smoking area.

00:35:16.529 --> 00:35:18.149
So I stand that the
smoking area shown

00:35:18.390 --> 00:35:20.460
the soldiers because
soldiers are soldiers

00:35:20.819 --> 00:35:22.589
and they love to talk
about war stories.

00:35:23.740 --> 00:35:25.680
I would show them
pictures of war, talk

00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:27.450
to them about Iraq,
things like this.

00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.640
They would try to buy my
phone, stuff like that.

00:35:29.879 --> 00:35:32.279
And then bit by bit,
you build that trust

00:35:32.279 --> 00:35:33.419
in a very short
period of time and get

00:35:33.419 --> 00:35:34.290
all the information
that you need.

00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:36.000
So there's things like
that, that you've done.

00:35:37.845 --> 00:35:40.635
And then, uh, as an
example, there's the

00:35:40.635 --> 00:35:43.845
dangerous risks that the
really dangerous ones,

00:35:43.905 --> 00:35:45.735
um, the last operation
I was working on, for

00:35:45.735 --> 00:35:47.745
example, for seven days,
nobody knew where I was.

00:35:48.165 --> 00:35:50.115
That was my own choice
because I didn't want

00:35:50.115 --> 00:35:51.345
to give out anything
electronically

00:35:51.345 --> 00:35:52.575
and announce
where I was going.

00:35:52.575 --> 00:35:54.405
So I was going into an
area that is monitored

00:35:54.915 --> 00:35:56.205
massively for commons.

00:35:56.955 --> 00:35:59.985
Um, and at the same time
as that, I needed to

00:36:00.015 --> 00:36:02.655
work with underground
networks and figure out

00:36:02.715 --> 00:36:05.535
a way to get out of a
certain country across

00:36:05.535 --> 00:36:06.975
the border illegally.

00:36:08.115 --> 00:36:09.645
Or should I say,
or should I say

00:36:09.855 --> 00:36:10.695
alternatively?

00:36:11.565 --> 00:36:13.155
Um, I like that.

00:36:14.115 --> 00:36:16.575
So I was, uh, I was on
the, I was on this board

00:36:16.575 --> 00:36:19.515
and I drove for two
days, um, solid, straight

00:36:19.845 --> 00:36:22.935
one-off as a miles when
I got into this location.

00:36:24.660 --> 00:36:26.939
I got picked up from
a certain area, taken

00:36:26.939 --> 00:36:28.410
out of my car, put
into another cloud,

00:36:28.410 --> 00:36:29.459
driven for an hour.

00:36:30.060 --> 00:36:30.959
No idea what
was going on.

00:36:31.200 --> 00:36:33.089
Then I got taken out
of that car, all of my

00:36:33.089 --> 00:36:34.740
electronics, all of my
equipment, everything

00:36:34.740 --> 00:36:37.410
that I had on me, it was
put out or taken out off

00:36:37.430 --> 00:36:38.609
me, put into another car.

00:36:38.640 --> 00:36:40.729
I was on driven for
another hour, I guess,

00:36:40.779 --> 00:36:41.859
about three o'clock
in the morning.

00:36:41.859 --> 00:36:42.990
And we ended up
pulling up into this

00:36:42.990 --> 00:36:45.660
clearing in the middle
of no man's land

00:36:45.689 --> 00:36:46.649
between two countries.

00:36:46.770 --> 00:36:48.569
And this is a clear
when you purposely

00:36:48.569 --> 00:36:52.680
designed for smuggling
on this board are in

00:36:52.680 --> 00:36:55.049
no man's land and I've
got, I'm surrounded by

00:36:55.049 --> 00:36:56.910
people just silhouettes
all around me.

00:36:56.970 --> 00:36:59.129
And I've got one guy
standing in front of

00:36:59.129 --> 00:37:02.459
me and he's just gazing
how much he can trust me

00:37:02.459 --> 00:37:04.379
for what the operation
is that I wanted to do.

00:37:04.379 --> 00:37:06.299
And if we had the
money and it was

00:37:06.479 --> 00:37:08.970
chaotic because that
day there that's when

00:37:08.970 --> 00:37:11.040
I was like, uh, yeah,
you boys might want to

00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:11.910
start tracking me now.

00:37:11.910 --> 00:37:13.319
I might be getting
into something here.

00:37:16.080 --> 00:37:17.609
So once I did that,
I'll get back.

00:37:17.609 --> 00:37:20.340
And then, uh,
Things started to

00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:20.940
work swimmingly.

00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:23.260
So that in itself is a
situation where I have

00:37:23.260 --> 00:37:25.140
to discipline if they
didn't trust me on that

00:37:25.140 --> 00:37:26.160
day, that's it I'm gone.

00:37:26.670 --> 00:37:28.830
Um, I always describe
it as the fact that

00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.480
whenever I was working
away contracts and

00:37:30.500 --> 00:37:31.860
whenever I was in the
military, the message

00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:33.420
was always waiting
for that phone call to

00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:34.290
tell her button news.

00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:36.360
Now she doesn't wait
for that phone call.

00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:37.980
She waits for the
day that she doesn't

00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:38.610
hear anything.

00:37:39.120 --> 00:37:41.490
It's literally, once
she knows we've got ways

00:37:41.490 --> 00:37:44.490
of communicating, but
when she doesn't hear

00:37:44.490 --> 00:37:45.780
anything for a period
of time, that's when

00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:46.560
she knows it's done.

00:37:47.490 --> 00:37:48.630
And there's no
fundamental to that.

00:37:48.990 --> 00:37:50.670
That's how that's
how dangerous it is.

00:37:50.670 --> 00:37:53.340
And they're the risks
that we take to go

00:37:53.340 --> 00:37:55.950
to those extra, extra
elements of being able to

00:37:55.950 --> 00:37:58.050
make sure we do it, which
you won't find them.

00:37:58.050 --> 00:37:59.400
Many of the companies
that are out there,

00:37:59.410 --> 00:38:00.030
unfortunately.

00:38:03.870 --> 00:38:08.190
She thinks I'm not,
she supports me 100%.

00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:09.870
She supports me all
of the way she's

00:38:09.870 --> 00:38:11.580
been through, been
through this since

00:38:11.580 --> 00:38:12.509
day one with me.

00:38:12.509 --> 00:38:14.070
And obviously she's
been through my contract

00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:15.660
in days out in Iraq
and Afghanistan.

00:38:16.200 --> 00:38:19.259
Um, she knows, she knows
what I'm capable of.

00:38:19.259 --> 00:38:21.540
She knows how I am
and how passionate

00:38:21.540 --> 00:38:22.500
I am about this.

00:38:23.100 --> 00:38:25.210
Um, because of the thing
that I will always will

00:38:25.210 --> 00:38:27.270
always remind me of
what I'm doing, this

00:38:27.720 --> 00:38:29.550
is that question who
else is going to do it?

00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.380
Every case that I
take on, I consider

00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:32.220
it as my own children.

00:38:32.220 --> 00:38:33.750
What would I do if it
was my own children

00:38:33.750 --> 00:38:35.610
and because of my
experiences and because

00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:38.130
of the life path that
I've taken, um, I go to

00:38:38.130 --> 00:38:39.870
those extreme elements
every single time.

00:38:40.694 --> 00:38:42.585
If you take a family
that's just gone

00:38:42.585 --> 00:38:43.575
for a normal life.

00:38:44.205 --> 00:38:46.185
They have no idea
what they're capable

00:38:46.185 --> 00:38:48.015
of to be able to get
these children back.

00:38:48.015 --> 00:38:50.714
And right, the phone call
to the police will always

00:38:50.714 --> 00:38:51.944
lead into disappointment.

00:38:51.975 --> 00:38:53.984
If they've gone and
they've got no lead

00:38:53.984 --> 00:38:55.935
once they lose that last
lead, then that's it.

00:38:55.935 --> 00:38:56.384
It's done.

00:38:56.504 --> 00:38:57.855
And the majority of
the time that leads

00:38:57.855 --> 00:38:59.835
to a chain of phone
calls from the police,

00:38:59.835 --> 00:39:01.415
from one district
to another district

00:39:01.424 --> 00:39:02.085
or another district.

00:39:02.590 --> 00:39:04.509
And if it's international
it's to another country

00:39:04.509 --> 00:39:06.040
and through their
districts, and it's a

00:39:06.040 --> 00:39:07.779
chain of phone calls
I've been waiting for,

00:39:08.230 --> 00:39:10.450
but no one is physically
looking and that's,

00:39:10.450 --> 00:39:13.240
what's always bothered
me because if you start

00:39:13.240 --> 00:39:14.890
physically looking,
I've always said, if you

00:39:14.890 --> 00:39:16.450
look for something, you
always going to find it.

00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.240
No matter what, if you
look into a relationship,

00:39:19.630 --> 00:39:20.920
you're looking for a
problem, you're going

00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:21.700
to find a problem.

00:39:22.060 --> 00:39:25.060
If you're looking into
your finances and you

00:39:25.060 --> 00:39:26.470
think that they're
solid and you look

00:39:26.470 --> 00:39:28.029
into it, you're going
to find a problem.

00:39:28.060 --> 00:39:30.310
There's always, you
will always find the

00:39:30.310 --> 00:39:31.450
source of that problem.

00:39:31.779 --> 00:39:33.160
If you look, and
that's what I've

00:39:33.160 --> 00:39:34.120
always been solid for.

00:39:34.720 --> 00:39:37.180
So, I mean, my boy, he
understands what I do.

00:39:37.299 --> 00:39:40.630
Um, I mean, as a
teenage boy, so you

00:39:40.630 --> 00:39:41.950
can imagine why he
thinks my daughter,

00:39:42.040 --> 00:39:42.610
hasn't got a clue.

00:39:42.610 --> 00:39:44.560
What I do see literally
thinks I worked in an

00:39:44.560 --> 00:39:46.900
airport because one,
she sees me go on, go

00:39:46.900 --> 00:39:48.610
to an airport once he
picks me up and she picks

00:39:48.610 --> 00:39:49.360
me up from an airport

00:39:53.230 --> 00:39:54.970
and she's, uh, she
definitely keeps my

00:39:54.970 --> 00:39:55.600
head start as well.

00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.279
Well, the one you're
talking about six

00:39:59.279 --> 00:40:02.670
months in $140,000 or
so that the, uh, the

00:40:02.670 --> 00:40:03.840
client was in for it.

00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:05.730
And, and buddy says,
that's it, I'm out.

00:40:05.730 --> 00:40:06.150
I quit.

00:40:06.180 --> 00:40:07.110
And you come on board.

00:40:07.110 --> 00:40:10.170
Like, that's, that's
a lot of money that

00:40:10.170 --> 00:40:12.029
a lot of people just
don't have kicking

00:40:12.029 --> 00:40:15.930
around and you've taken
a very unique approach

00:40:15.990 --> 00:40:18.450
to a child recovery.

00:40:18.509 --> 00:40:20.190
And your, from what
I understand, you're

00:40:20.190 --> 00:40:22.680
looking at crowdsourcing
international

00:40:22.680 --> 00:40:23.430
child recovery.

00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.090
That's I haven't heard of
that being done before.

00:40:27.390 --> 00:40:28.950
Is this the first time
have you heard of this?

00:40:30.720 --> 00:40:31.680
It hasn't been
done before.

00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.650
Um, I, it is very
difficult to get

00:40:34.650 --> 00:40:35.850
them without a doubt.

00:40:36.120 --> 00:40:38.250
And what I can tell you
is that it works when

00:40:38.279 --> 00:40:42.150
we get the donations
and why, so working

00:40:42.150 --> 00:40:43.590
for that company and
seeing how much money

00:40:43.590 --> 00:40:46.020
comes from that company
actually took the money

00:40:46.020 --> 00:40:47.509
that actually went
on to the operations.

00:40:47.520 --> 00:40:50.385
No, Was the amount of
money that they paid.

00:40:51.045 --> 00:40:52.875
The majority of that
money went into the owner

00:40:52.875 --> 00:40:53.865
of that company's pocket.

00:40:53.955 --> 00:40:55.245
So these companies,
there's a lot of

00:40:55.245 --> 00:40:56.955
companies that are out
there and there's even

00:40:56.955 --> 00:40:57.915
more popping up now.

00:40:58.575 --> 00:41:01.875
And what I've found is
that I slightly working

00:41:01.875 --> 00:41:04.275
for that company, I till
kind of case, um, it

00:41:04.275 --> 00:41:05.595
was a parent abduction.

00:41:05.865 --> 00:41:08.655
Um, the girl reached
that age where she could

00:41:08.655 --> 00:41:11.235
decide where she wanted
to live, which may not

00:41:11.235 --> 00:41:13.275
behave the documents,
all of the court

00:41:13.275 --> 00:41:14.325
documents for custody.

00:41:14.355 --> 00:41:16.815
All of that became
non-employed because now

00:41:16.815 --> 00:41:19.335
the girl has a decision
under herself and she

00:41:19.335 --> 00:41:21.255
has a legal rights to
make her own decision.

00:41:22.545 --> 00:41:24.015
So I went back to the
owner of the company

00:41:24.015 --> 00:41:25.395
and I sold the owner of
the company of the case,

00:41:25.395 --> 00:41:27.015
going to be completed
for these reasons.

00:41:27.855 --> 00:41:28.785
And this is
what's happened.

00:41:29.325 --> 00:41:30.675
And then I witnessed
him have a meeting

00:41:30.675 --> 00:41:32.385
with that client
and he took a number

00:41:32.385 --> 00:41:33.915
30,000 off that client.

00:41:34.005 --> 00:41:36.075
And then didn't tell
that client for a couple

00:41:36.075 --> 00:41:38.655
of months that they
couldn't do the case.

00:41:39.655 --> 00:41:40.605
I saw that happen.

00:41:40.665 --> 00:41:42.405
And I was like, what
is going on here?

00:41:43.919 --> 00:41:46.080
Obviously having
discussions and all that

00:41:46.080 --> 00:41:47.850
sort of stuff, he said,
he's going to work on it.

00:41:47.879 --> 00:41:49.259
I knew that he wasn't
going to work on it.

00:41:49.350 --> 00:41:50.879
I ended up bailing
from that company.

00:41:51.810 --> 00:41:53.640
So it started freelancing
when I started

00:41:53.640 --> 00:41:55.589
freelancing, what I
realized, because I

00:41:55.589 --> 00:41:57.509
started speaking to a
lot of companies are in

00:41:57.509 --> 00:42:00.569
the industry and, uh, and
all of these companies

00:42:00.629 --> 00:42:01.350
aren't figured out.

00:42:02.310 --> 00:42:04.260
Who they were from
working for that

00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:06.270
original company, because
they all connected

00:42:06.270 --> 00:42:07.260
in some sort of way.

00:42:07.290 --> 00:42:10.710
And it's a weird, um,
and I'm going to use

00:42:10.710 --> 00:42:13.650
the reference of tiger
king scenario because

00:42:13.650 --> 00:42:15.000
I've been watching
tiger king and again,

00:42:16.590 --> 00:42:18.840
in the aspects of how
fucked up everything

00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.270
is, um, the company I
was working for, all

00:42:21.270 --> 00:42:22.680
of these companies,
they hate each other.

00:42:23.310 --> 00:42:24.840
There's another company
that's out there that

00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:26.820
was massively against
every single person and

00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:28.980
his marketing scheme
is to basically slander

00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:29.760
everybody else off.

00:42:30.510 --> 00:42:32.790
Um, another company when
I was in Lebanon, which

00:42:32.790 --> 00:42:35.220
I found out while I was
in Lebanon, was trying

00:42:35.220 --> 00:42:37.650
to go against everything
that I was doing and

00:42:37.740 --> 00:42:40.050
trying to fuck up the
operation because he

00:42:40.050 --> 00:42:41.070
didn't get the case.

00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:43.950
So he's not in it for
the kids and he didn't

00:42:43.950 --> 00:42:45.150
get the money out of it.

00:42:45.600 --> 00:42:47.400
And because he didn't get
the money, he wanted to

00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.500
destroy the operation,
then turn around and say

00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:51.540
that this company that I
was actually working for.

00:42:52.830 --> 00:42:53.850
Was it bad company.

00:42:54.540 --> 00:42:56.790
And that's the sort of
mentality state dealing

00:42:56.790 --> 00:42:58.140
with these people.

00:42:58.140 --> 00:43:00.000
They charge anywhere
between 50 to

00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.540
$150,000 or pounds
or euros, depending

00:43:03.569 --> 00:43:04.290
on where you from.

00:43:04.890 --> 00:43:06.029
They sell you the world.

00:43:06.060 --> 00:43:07.980
They sell themselves
as SF companies,

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.629
special forces,
units, and all that.

00:43:09.629 --> 00:43:11.819
None of them, not one
of them has ever been

00:43:11.819 --> 00:43:12.930
in special forces.

00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:15.779
Not one of them has
ever done very long

00:43:15.779 --> 00:43:16.440
in the military.

00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.480
Not not one of them
has ever been in combat

00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.710
operations overseas.

00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:20.379
Not one of them.

00:43:20.650 --> 00:43:22.830
I know this from that
history because I got to

00:43:22.830 --> 00:43:28.170
know them over the years,
they sell you the world.

00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:29.339
We can do this.

00:43:29.339 --> 00:43:30.210
We can do that.

00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:31.710
You're vulnerable
parents.

00:43:31.740 --> 00:43:32.970
You've just lost
your children.

00:43:32.970 --> 00:43:34.529
You're willing to do
anything it takes to

00:43:34.529 --> 00:43:35.490
get your children back.

00:43:35.490 --> 00:43:35.819
Right.

00:43:37.035 --> 00:43:37.935
I need this money.

00:43:37.995 --> 00:43:39.615
I can't work
without this money.

00:43:39.674 --> 00:43:41.625
You need to pay this much
up front or whatever.

00:43:41.715 --> 00:43:44.295
And then basically you
will go and then re

00:43:44.295 --> 00:43:46.395
mortgage your house
or sell your house,

00:43:47.205 --> 00:43:48.645
sell all the assets
that you've got.

00:43:48.645 --> 00:43:49.875
You'll take out
massive loans.

00:43:49.875 --> 00:43:51.305
Whether that'd be from
family, whether that'd

00:43:51.305 --> 00:43:53.055
be from banks, you will
do everything you can to

00:43:53.055 --> 00:43:54.795
raise that cash, thinking
that you're going to get

00:43:54.795 --> 00:43:57.435
your kid back, having
that cash over, you won't

00:43:57.435 --> 00:43:58.634
even get a photograph.

00:43:58.725 --> 00:44:00.255
You won't even
get a report.

00:44:00.285 --> 00:44:02.174
You won't get any, you
literally get phone

00:44:02.174 --> 00:44:04.154
calls or emails that
I can't tell you right

00:44:04.154 --> 00:44:05.444
now, because we work
on the operation,

00:44:05.475 --> 00:44:06.075
blah, blah, blah.

00:44:06.525 --> 00:44:07.815
And then at the end of
it, they'll be like,

00:44:07.845 --> 00:44:09.134
what would utilize
all of the money.

00:44:09.134 --> 00:44:11.205
Now either pay us
more money or do the

00:44:11.205 --> 00:44:12.915
operations over there.

00:44:12.915 --> 00:44:14.174
You see the pattern
of what happened.

00:44:14.174 --> 00:44:15.525
That's what happened
in Lebanon when

00:44:15.525 --> 00:44:16.035
the guy quit.

00:44:17.535 --> 00:44:20.115
So all of that combined
together made me

00:44:20.115 --> 00:44:23.174
realize how screwed
up this industry is.

00:44:23.625 --> 00:44:24.615
It's not professional.

00:44:24.615 --> 00:44:25.985
That don't have
professional units that

00:44:25.995 --> 00:44:28.995
are not professional
soldiers and the ripping

00:44:28.995 --> 00:44:29.745
people off left, right.

00:44:29.745 --> 00:44:30.225
And center.

00:44:30.404 --> 00:44:33.375
And it bothered me
so fucking much.

00:44:35.700 --> 00:44:37.200
It's about two,
five and 50.

00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:39.240
And I came up with
the concepts and the

00:44:39.240 --> 00:44:42.000
concept, then I can't
stand this anymore.

00:44:42.030 --> 00:44:44.610
Seeing this happening,
they're taking cases on,

00:44:44.730 --> 00:44:45.990
I'm not getting cases.

00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.660
And the reason I wanted
to take these cases on

00:44:48.750 --> 00:44:50.610
was to make sure that
they get a professional

00:44:50.610 --> 00:44:51.570
service cheapest.

00:44:51.570 --> 00:44:53.910
Fuck, because I know for
a fact, if you spend,

00:44:53.910 --> 00:44:56.100
if you tell me that it's
going to cost 50 grand,

00:44:56.130 --> 00:44:58.050
I've done cases before,
where I've lived on the

00:44:58.050 --> 00:45:00.390
streets for two weeks,
I've done cases where

00:45:00.390 --> 00:45:04.050
I've lived in a car and
I'm upset a few of the

00:45:04.050 --> 00:45:06.210
locals by washing myself
and one of their mountain

00:45:06.210 --> 00:45:07.470
front ends whilst
they're drunk and drive.

00:45:10.410 --> 00:45:13.890
So you can imagine what
I was doing that cost

00:45:13.890 --> 00:45:15.359
me a couple of grants.

00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.370
Um, I say that the
average case that we

00:45:17.370 --> 00:45:19.620
call we charge for now
or not charge for the

00:45:19.620 --> 00:45:21.419
average cost of the
case that we take on

00:45:21.419 --> 00:45:22.620
now is about 30,000.

00:45:22.620 --> 00:45:23.910
Because now we
go power assets.

00:45:23.919 --> 00:45:25.919
Now we push out
professional units,

00:45:25.919 --> 00:45:27.480
we push out backup
systems and all this

00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:28.950
sort of stuff to
a certain extent.

00:45:28.950 --> 00:45:30.240
We're not at the
stage where we can go

00:45:30.240 --> 00:45:32.669
as far as I want to,
but we are at a stage

00:45:32.669 --> 00:45:34.230
where we can monitor
each other at least.

00:45:34.560 --> 00:45:36.839
But, um, I digress.

00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:38.939
They, uh, they
started that.

00:45:38.939 --> 00:45:41.189
I decided that I wanted
to set it up and do

00:45:41.189 --> 00:45:42.750
everything I can to
raise money for these

00:45:42.750 --> 00:45:45.270
families, um, and
provide the cheapest

00:45:45.270 --> 00:45:45.899
possible service.

00:45:45.930 --> 00:45:48.089
If I can raise 10 grand
and they pay five brands,

00:45:48.089 --> 00:45:49.740
then obviously we're
in a better situation

00:45:49.740 --> 00:45:50.339
than anybody else.

00:45:50.370 --> 00:45:51.899
Plus, I'm going to be
able to do what I have

00:45:51.899 --> 00:45:54.660
to do with a very cheap
service as well, but they

00:45:54.660 --> 00:45:56.250
get the most professional
service out there.

00:45:56.700 --> 00:45:59.879
And, uh, the concept was
there for a long time.

00:46:01.140 --> 00:46:05.790
In 2017, April the 27th,
2017, a young girl was

00:46:05.790 --> 00:46:06.870
kidnapped from Cyprus.

00:46:07.290 --> 00:46:08.220
I was in Afghanistan at.

00:46:09.345 --> 00:46:10.785
Because what
happened before?

00:46:11.355 --> 00:46:14.565
Um, before last year I
would be in Afghanistan

00:46:14.565 --> 00:46:16.575
or Iraq and then I'd
get a case and then I'll

00:46:16.575 --> 00:46:18.375
come home and do that
case whilst I'm on leave.

00:46:18.885 --> 00:46:20.505
And then I'll go back
to Afghanistan or Iraq.

00:46:21.105 --> 00:46:23.375
And in the aspect of
doing that, what I've

00:46:23.375 --> 00:46:24.915
found is that cases
will come in, but

00:46:24.915 --> 00:46:26.265
then they'd have to
wait for a long time

00:46:26.265 --> 00:46:26.985
before I can get home.

00:46:27.735 --> 00:46:29.855
Um, I also found that I
wasn't spending any time.

00:46:29.865 --> 00:46:31.695
My family are,
which is why last

00:46:31.695 --> 00:46:32.535
year that was it.

00:46:32.535 --> 00:46:34.455
I called it all off
and I went full time

00:46:34.455 --> 00:46:36.135
into child with a way
to make this work.

00:46:37.035 --> 00:46:37.395
Right.

00:46:37.395 --> 00:46:39.825
So, uh, April the
27th child goes

00:46:39.825 --> 00:46:41.445
missing from Cyprus
I'm in Afghanistan.

00:46:41.445 --> 00:46:42.555
I read it on
the newspaper.

00:46:42.555 --> 00:46:43.905
This is a case that
I've read about

00:46:43.905 --> 00:46:45.405
before, because
this was the second

00:46:45.405 --> 00:46:46.455
attempt of kidnapping.

00:46:46.455 --> 00:46:49.095
This kill one of
these companies

00:46:49.095 --> 00:46:51.945
kidnapped the prime.

00:46:53.175 --> 00:46:55.125
The prime company that's
out there is ripping

00:46:55.125 --> 00:46:56.955
families off saying that
they recover children

00:46:57.585 --> 00:46:58.485
kidnapped this trial.

00:47:00.885 --> 00:47:01.095
Yeah.

00:47:01.105 --> 00:47:01.815
It's fucking Madden.

00:47:01.845 --> 00:47:04.665
As far as they were
looking over on the

00:47:04.665 --> 00:47:07.185
Northern side of Cyprus,
I read the article within

00:47:07.305 --> 00:47:10.155
minutes of reading the
article, or instantly as

00:47:10.155 --> 00:47:12.465
reading the article as
I'm reading it, I knew

00:47:12.465 --> 00:47:14.895
who did it and where
they'd gone, because

00:47:14.895 --> 00:47:16.515
I know that tactics
are how they operate.

00:47:17.265 --> 00:47:18.885
So I started to gain
sense through the family

00:47:18.945 --> 00:47:20.655
and reaching out to
the Facebook groups.

00:47:20.655 --> 00:47:23.025
And I have a, obviously
who's working in

00:47:23.025 --> 00:47:24.405
Afghanistan is
reaching out and

00:47:24.405 --> 00:47:24.945
just go up enough.

00:47:24.945 --> 00:47:27.255
Same then not that you
have to do something and

00:47:27.255 --> 00:47:29.325
look here because this
is what's happening.

00:47:29.835 --> 00:47:31.065
It took me a while
to get my message.

00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:34.710
But once I got out of
Afghanistan, April the

00:47:34.710 --> 00:47:36.779
27th, and then at the
end of June, I'll get

00:47:36.779 --> 00:47:37.500
out of Afghanistan.

00:47:38.009 --> 00:47:39.810
I get back to Cyprus
and I met the family.

00:47:40.140 --> 00:47:42.110
When the family met
me, then knew that

00:47:42.110 --> 00:47:42.960
I was fucking solid.

00:47:44.100 --> 00:47:46.590
Everything that I told
him was confirmed because

00:47:46.590 --> 00:47:48.240
we've got the financial
records through another

00:47:48.240 --> 00:47:49.980
firm like that, to show
that payment had been

00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:51.150
made to that company.

00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.090
And within an hour of
talking to that family,

00:47:54.330 --> 00:47:55.529
they sent me information.

00:47:55.590 --> 00:47:57.210
I got straight on the
plane within an hour,

00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.390
and then I flew over to
Turkey when I was into.

00:48:01.655 --> 00:48:03.335
Obviously I was chasing
this company down.

00:48:03.335 --> 00:48:05.255
Now this is some
finance that's never

00:48:05.255 --> 00:48:06.035
been done before.

00:48:06.905 --> 00:48:08.735
This is a case of
chasing the company, a

00:48:09.125 --> 00:48:12.725
professional company,
but having professionals

00:48:12.725 --> 00:48:15.485
chase them, change the
game a lot because I

00:48:15.485 --> 00:48:17.645
got to the point first
time that I went to,

00:48:17.675 --> 00:48:19.955
I tore that down to
pieces of in 24 hours.

00:48:20.075 --> 00:48:21.365
No one had heard
anything about this

00:48:21.365 --> 00:48:23.945
kid, um, and where
this kid had gone to.

00:48:24.395 --> 00:48:26.945
Prior to me going
into this village, I

00:48:26.945 --> 00:48:29.255
tore that town apart
for CCTV footage.

00:48:29.705 --> 00:48:31.685
I got photographs
from the locals.

00:48:31.745 --> 00:48:33.455
I got pictures of
the house that they

00:48:33.455 --> 00:48:35.195
was used in the car
that they was using.

00:48:35.215 --> 00:48:37.835
I got C's in the CCTV
footage and I'm actually

00:48:37.835 --> 00:48:39.525
making a video about this
and the mum with my page

00:48:39.605 --> 00:48:43.205
on account, you see that
the girls had a haircut.

00:48:43.295 --> 00:48:45.245
Um, the pictures you
could see with her

00:48:45.245 --> 00:48:47.375
body language with a
black turns and it was

00:48:47.375 --> 00:48:48.335
a, it was a father.

00:48:48.485 --> 00:48:50.045
Her father kidnapped
her, but the way

00:48:50.045 --> 00:48:52.025
that it was done,
the company did this.

00:48:52.770 --> 00:48:55.830
Was that two masked men
grabbed the child, pushed

00:48:55.830 --> 00:48:57.930
to the, uh, the mother to
the ground, outside the

00:48:57.930 --> 00:48:59.310
nursery, fro into a car.

00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:02.580
The car van drove for
20, 30 minutes, 40

00:49:02.580 --> 00:49:05.760
minutes stopped at the
border, handed the child

00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.190
over to a taxi driver,
the taxi driver then

00:49:08.190 --> 00:49:09.360
for across the border.

00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:10.530
And then when she got
across the border,

00:49:10.530 --> 00:49:13.890
she met a bloke who
is a father that she

00:49:13.890 --> 00:49:15.480
didn't know because she
hasn't seen him since

00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:16.230
he was a week old.

00:49:18.090 --> 00:49:19.380
So it was a complete
stranger and all

00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:21.270
of that trauma to
actually be stuck with

00:49:21.270 --> 00:49:22.110
a complete stranger.

00:49:22.710 --> 00:49:24.930
So a lot of people talk
about this and yeah,

00:49:24.930 --> 00:49:26.730
but the mother kidnapped
her first and all that.

00:49:26.940 --> 00:49:28.080
That's not the case.

00:49:28.140 --> 00:49:29.190
You don't know
the details of

00:49:29.190 --> 00:49:30.060
the actual story.

00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:32.010
The mother had
never, ever

00:49:32.010 --> 00:49:32.880
kidnapped that trial.

00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:34.500
There was no court
records that note

00:49:34.530 --> 00:49:35.850
no history of
anything like that.

00:49:36.120 --> 00:49:37.950
This was a solid
case of kidnapping.

00:49:41.055 --> 00:49:42.285
So Saul goes
through all of that.

00:49:42.285 --> 00:49:44.325
So the first time I go,
until we get all the CCTV

00:49:44.325 --> 00:49:45.975
footage, the photographs
and everything like this,

00:49:45.975 --> 00:49:47.325
and it was pretty nuts.

00:49:47.384 --> 00:49:50.115
Um, I had the Muller
and the whole village,

00:49:50.265 --> 00:49:52.785
like rioting to get me
out of that village, by

00:49:52.785 --> 00:49:53.625
the time I'd finished.

00:49:53.625 --> 00:49:55.694
And I was standing there
by myself, no backup,

00:49:55.725 --> 00:49:58.335
nothing, no money,
or that was a car.

00:49:58.815 --> 00:50:01.125
And, uh, and I'm saying,
yeah, I'm not going to

00:50:01.125 --> 00:50:02.595
go until you give me
if you're not an eight.

00:50:04.065 --> 00:50:05.924
They gave me everything
that I needed.

00:50:06.645 --> 00:50:07.815
And it was amazing.

00:50:07.815 --> 00:50:09.165
I got some good friends
in that village now.

00:50:09.165 --> 00:50:10.484
Like they actually
be friends with

00:50:10.484 --> 00:50:11.384
me after that.

00:50:11.384 --> 00:50:13.185
I used to go up there
quite on a regular basis

00:50:13.185 --> 00:50:14.805
and actually get food
and stuff like this in

00:50:14.805 --> 00:50:18.165
the area, long story
short on S but the

00:50:18.165 --> 00:50:20.234
chase took me from one
town to another town

00:50:20.805 --> 00:50:21.495
and I get to one time.

00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:24.260
And among this
massive marina.

00:50:24.950 --> 00:50:27.230
And I saw the owner
of that company who

00:50:27.230 --> 00:50:29.720
kidnapped the kid doing
really, really shit.

00:50:30.650 --> 00:50:31.760
Like as if he was like,

00:50:35.570 --> 00:50:38.300
I had gone my God,

00:50:40.040 --> 00:50:41.810
how much of this
is a poker game?

00:50:41.900 --> 00:50:42.770
Would he get into it?

00:50:42.770 --> 00:50:44.960
Like how much of this
is like, obviously

00:50:45.170 --> 00:50:46.850
it's a poker game where
you're actually going

00:50:46.850 --> 00:50:48.860
to have to throw down
if you have to, but

00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:51.200
the preferred outcome
would be to not do.

00:50:52.130 --> 00:50:52.430
Yeah.

00:50:52.640 --> 00:50:53.840
Um, I've never
thrown down.

00:50:54.110 --> 00:50:55.310
Uh, I'll never give up.

00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:57.650
Um, it's all about poker.

00:50:57.710 --> 00:50:59.150
It's a little about
playing the shots.

00:50:59.270 --> 00:51:01.280
So for example, when I
was over in Turkey, one

00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:02.630
thing I found because
I was working for

00:51:02.630 --> 00:51:05.450
myself by myself and
I had no money and no

00:51:05.450 --> 00:51:06.500
budget to do anything.

00:51:06.590 --> 00:51:08.630
So I was alone and I had
to keep chasing leads.

00:51:09.620 --> 00:51:12.020
Um, I recruited
the Turkish police

00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:13.640
by accident.

00:51:16.560 --> 00:51:17.879
Have you recruited
by accident?

00:51:18.509 --> 00:51:20.459
Yeah, they made
an assumption.

00:51:20.520 --> 00:51:22.290
And one thing I believe
is that assumption is I'm

00:51:22.290 --> 00:51:23.370
a rule fuck-ups anyway.

00:51:23.520 --> 00:51:26.640
So I go into this
town and I'm doing

00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:27.779
surveillance on
certain things.

00:51:27.779 --> 00:51:29.310
There's one in
particular that I

00:51:29.319 --> 00:51:30.180
got a feeling about.

00:51:30.750 --> 00:51:31.589
It's a sailboat.

00:51:32.310 --> 00:51:33.930
I got a particular
feeling about it.

00:51:33.930 --> 00:51:35.399
The flag on it, the
where it is the way

00:51:35.399 --> 00:51:35.970
that it's parked.

00:51:36.569 --> 00:51:39.180
Um, I've had information
about this town.

00:51:39.270 --> 00:51:40.770
It's got to be
that boat as I'm

00:51:40.770 --> 00:51:41.370
checking that book.

00:51:42.420 --> 00:51:43.200
I get cold.

00:51:43.590 --> 00:51:45.210
Uh, the police that
called on me for

00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:46.170
looking suspicious.

00:51:47.220 --> 00:51:49.950
I had a red notice
on the yellow notice

00:51:49.950 --> 00:51:50.580
from Interpol.

00:51:50.580 --> 00:51:52.830
So the red note is,
is a wanted notice

00:51:52.830 --> 00:51:55.530
and international,
um, warrant of arrest

00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.050
because this person is
wanted for these charges.

00:51:58.590 --> 00:52:00.360
And the yellow notice
is for the child say

00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.460
that the child is
missing and that child

00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:04.740
has gone missing under
these circumstances.

00:52:05.580 --> 00:52:07.650
Um, well add them
on me on my phone.

00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.200
So when they please
took me into ask me,

00:52:10.290 --> 00:52:11.940
I was doing everything
through Google translate,

00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:12.810
which is fantastic.

00:52:13.140 --> 00:52:14.580
And I kept saying
Interpol, integral,

00:52:14.580 --> 00:52:16.500
integral, integral,
and showing them these

00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:17.370
Interpol warrants.

00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.220
Um, I need to find
this guy, this guy

00:52:20.370 --> 00:52:22.170
is in this town 100%.

00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:23.190
This has happened.

00:52:23.220 --> 00:52:24.900
And this is about the
father and the trial.

00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:26.010
This is what's going on.

00:52:27.780 --> 00:52:28.620
I was in there
for an hour.

00:52:30.255 --> 00:52:31.245
They decided that
they wanted to

00:52:31.245 --> 00:52:31.905
drive me around.

00:52:31.995 --> 00:52:33.555
This is definitely a long
story short because I

00:52:33.555 --> 00:52:34.905
ended up in a different
town afterwards.

00:52:34.905 --> 00:52:36.405
They got covert
surveillance teams or

00:52:36.415 --> 00:52:37.155
how was this for me?

00:52:37.155 --> 00:52:39.285
And it was just, it
was just crazy how

00:52:39.285 --> 00:52:41.355
much they literally
wanted to work with me.

00:52:43.065 --> 00:52:46.275
Um, once I was in this,
uh, in this marina,

00:52:46.875 --> 00:52:47.895
the guy walks past me.

00:52:48.435 --> 00:52:49.935
I'm standing outside
on a cigarette, waiting

00:52:49.935 --> 00:52:51.315
for the gentleman
to come outside.

00:52:51.435 --> 00:52:53.085
Jasmine is the
Marine police.

00:52:53.295 --> 00:52:54.885
They're going to take
me around in the car to

00:52:54.885 --> 00:52:55.935
introduce me to people.

00:52:56.145 --> 00:52:57.495
They've got connections
to connections,

00:52:57.495 --> 00:52:58.095
to connections.

00:52:58.575 --> 00:52:59.865
And this is the
underground networks

00:52:59.895 --> 00:53:00.495
I'm talking about.

00:53:00.495 --> 00:53:01.455
Do you want to find
it underground?

00:53:01.455 --> 00:53:04.215
That wound no matter
where you go always

00:53:04.215 --> 00:53:06.045
go to a marina,
you'll always find

00:53:06.045 --> 00:53:07.425
them 100% guaranteed.

00:53:08.235 --> 00:53:10.905
I believe it, it works.

00:53:12.195 --> 00:53:13.635
I'm standing outside
and I'm a cigarette.

00:53:13.635 --> 00:53:14.955
And I see this guy
walk past me and I'm

00:53:14.955 --> 00:53:15.705
looking at this guy.

00:53:15.765 --> 00:53:17.055
Doesn't know who the
fuck it is, but I'm like,

00:53:17.475 --> 00:53:18.225
why do I recognize it?

00:53:19.634 --> 00:53:22.215
And he looks at me
and does that little

00:53:22.215 --> 00:53:23.415
glimpse of my content.

00:53:23.415 --> 00:53:25.125
And I'm there
thinking, uh, alarm

00:53:25.125 --> 00:53:25.815
bells are going off.

00:53:25.815 --> 00:53:26.655
Something's not right.

00:53:26.655 --> 00:53:26.895
Yeah.

00:53:27.015 --> 00:53:27.795
I know that low.

00:53:27.884 --> 00:53:30.145
Why do I know that bloke
didn't have a clue?

00:53:30.165 --> 00:53:31.455
It was at the time
that I've spoken to him

00:53:31.455 --> 00:53:33.015
before never even looked
into it or anything.

00:53:34.245 --> 00:53:34.575
Okay.

00:53:36.105 --> 00:53:36.855
Walks past me.

00:53:38.025 --> 00:53:39.975
And then it was like one
of those moments, there's

00:53:39.975 --> 00:53:42.255
a shop on the left side
and it was one of those,

00:53:42.555 --> 00:53:44.055
it's something that I
would never do, but it's

00:53:44.055 --> 00:53:45.525
one of those obvious
moments where it's

00:53:45.525 --> 00:53:47.895
like, oh, look at this.

00:53:48.405 --> 00:53:49.935
This is very interesting.

00:53:50.985 --> 00:53:52.425
And then he walks
over to this shop.

00:53:54.345 --> 00:53:56.565
So what do you
realize is seriously

00:53:56.565 --> 00:53:58.275
when he realizes
that at the shop?

00:53:58.275 --> 00:53:59.655
He can't really get,
cause he's like now

00:53:59.655 --> 00:54:01.095
straight down the
line with me from

00:54:01.095 --> 00:54:01.785
where I'm standing.

00:54:01.785 --> 00:54:03.525
So it doesn't really have
a good angle to see me

00:54:03.525 --> 00:54:05.505
or to see what I'm up to
to see what's going on

00:54:05.505 --> 00:54:06.195
or anything like that.

00:54:07.185 --> 00:54:10.634
Um, so across the way
this table is right on

00:54:10.634 --> 00:54:12.855
the, on, on the wall for
this tables and chairs

00:54:12.855 --> 00:54:15.765
for the restaurants and
stuff, Um, and there's

00:54:15.765 --> 00:54:18.734
a, there's a menu on
the board, you know,

00:54:18.734 --> 00:54:20.384
like when you went to
the outside areas of

00:54:20.384 --> 00:54:22.245
the restaurant, they got
the menu, the board man,

00:54:23.274 --> 00:54:25.814
you go inside and it was
exactly the same thing.

00:54:25.814 --> 00:54:26.105
Again.

00:54:27.660 --> 00:54:28.109
What is that?

00:54:28.290 --> 00:54:29.790
It's the
over-exaggeration that

00:54:29.790 --> 00:54:30.900
brought alarms to me.

00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.080
Um, and you can see
is the standard man.

00:54:34.080 --> 00:54:35.430
It's like looking
over like this and

00:54:35.430 --> 00:54:36.270
looking over like that.

00:54:36.270 --> 00:54:37.049
And I thought, fuck it.

00:54:38.040 --> 00:54:39.779
I know for a fact that
something is wrong

00:54:40.560 --> 00:54:42.450
and that is the worst
drills I've ever seen

00:54:42.450 --> 00:54:43.170
in my entire life.

00:54:48.850 --> 00:54:49.160
Yeah.

00:54:49.580 --> 00:54:52.880
So that was, I needed
straight away to know

00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.620
that this guy was
actually in that area.

00:54:55.340 --> 00:55:00.380
Um, well, anyway, that
case in itself ended up

00:55:00.380 --> 00:55:03.410
with a situation where
they managed to get

00:55:03.410 --> 00:55:05.240
on their boat and they
managed to get out, even

00:55:05.240 --> 00:55:06.920
though I was going after
the coast guard and I

00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:08.690
was getting a Marine and
managers involved and

00:55:08.690 --> 00:55:10.880
all this sort of stuff,
they managed to get

00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.070
away and they managed
to get about to Norway.

00:55:13.580 --> 00:55:15.560
And when they go back
to Norway, because

00:55:15.560 --> 00:55:17.210
of everything that we
put in place, first of

00:55:17.210 --> 00:55:20.750
all, Stopped them from
being able to sell.

00:55:20.780 --> 00:55:22.640
And actually by that
time, they had to rush

00:55:22.640 --> 00:55:24.680
into everything because
they didn't have a

00:55:24.680 --> 00:55:25.970
solid plan in itself.

00:55:25.970 --> 00:55:27.890
Secondly, we got their
bank accounts frozen.

00:55:28.310 --> 00:55:31.700
Um, we got all the legal
sides in Norway and in

00:55:31.700 --> 00:55:32.930
Cyprus on our sides.

00:55:32.990 --> 00:55:34.490
So the minute, and
we have international

00:55:34.490 --> 00:55:36.470
restaurants at, for him,
he couldn't leave any

00:55:36.470 --> 00:55:38.750
country legally with that
child, no matter what.

00:55:38.750 --> 00:55:40.580
So he would have
been stuck in Turkey

00:55:40.580 --> 00:55:42.830
if he didn't sneak
out on a boat.

00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.890
Um, and we put so
much pressure onto

00:55:45.890 --> 00:55:48.350
him that he had to
hand that to our back.

00:55:48.620 --> 00:55:50.660
As soon as he got into
Norway, the minute

00:55:50.660 --> 00:55:51.500
that he touched ground.

00:55:52.310 --> 00:55:53.990
And so it was a
long period of time.

00:55:53.990 --> 00:55:55.760
It was a long period of
time waiting for them

00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.850
to actually get from
Turkey over to Norway.

00:55:58.910 --> 00:56:00.560
But the minute that they
got into Norway, it was

00:56:00.560 --> 00:56:01.610
game over, straight away.

00:56:02.030 --> 00:56:02.960
And that was all
because of the pressure

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:03.560
that we put on.

00:56:03.770 --> 00:56:05.570
And that was my
first case taking

00:56:05.570 --> 00:56:06.560
my company life.

00:56:07.040 --> 00:56:09.050
And that's my
introduction to all of

00:56:09.050 --> 00:56:09.860
these other companies.

00:56:09.860 --> 00:56:12.260
When they, when I was
trying to unify and

00:56:12.260 --> 00:56:14.630
actually get them to
work together, then they

00:56:14.630 --> 00:56:16.430
saw that I was going out
by myself and chasing.

00:56:17.220 --> 00:56:18.810
That's when they start
to realize that they're

00:56:18.810 --> 00:56:19.530
going to have problems.

00:56:20.550 --> 00:56:20.970
So

00:56:22.080 --> 00:56:24.870
knowing what you know
now, oh, sorry, go on.

00:56:26.430 --> 00:56:29.040
So that's a long way
around to tell you about

00:56:29.040 --> 00:56:29.970
what I'm doing now.

00:56:33.720 --> 00:56:35.970
Well, knowing what
you know now, would

00:56:35.970 --> 00:56:38.580
you turn around and
do things differently.

00:56:38.580 --> 00:56:40.140
If you could tell the
younger you are there

00:56:40.140 --> 00:56:41.790
things that you'd look
at and say, okay, this

00:56:41.790 --> 00:56:42.900
is absolutely wrong.

00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:44.790
The right way we should
approach it is ABC.

00:56:45.899 --> 00:56:46.109
Yeah.

00:56:46.109 --> 00:56:48.240
Why would you say
different, but there's

00:56:48.240 --> 00:56:49.439
loads of things
I'll do different.

00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:52.200
Um, for example, um,
on that Turkey case in

00:56:52.200 --> 00:56:53.790
itself, first of all,
I would have been more

00:56:53.790 --> 00:56:55.620
operators with me and I
would have pushed from

00:56:55.620 --> 00:56:56.729
money on that case.

00:56:56.790 --> 00:56:58.200
Um, I was trying to
prove that I could

00:56:58.200 --> 00:56:58.890
do it for free.

00:56:58.950 --> 00:57:00.180
I was foolish to do that.

00:57:00.660 --> 00:57:02.490
Um, there were leads that
I had to follow, which

00:57:02.490 --> 00:57:04.200
took me away from leads
that were following,

00:57:04.200 --> 00:57:06.540
which was solid taking
me to leads that were

00:57:06.540 --> 00:57:08.850
being pushed our way
purposely to get me away

00:57:08.850 --> 00:57:10.020
from the distractions.

00:57:10.410 --> 00:57:11.220
I had more manpower.

00:57:11.220 --> 00:57:13.169
I could have pushed out
there, but the whole

00:57:13.169 --> 00:57:14.879
process of everything
that I've gone through

00:57:14.879 --> 00:57:16.859
in the learning curve,
from the very first case,

00:57:16.859 --> 00:57:18.390
all the way through to
now, don't forget that

00:57:18.390 --> 00:57:20.069
first case is nearly
a decade ago now.

00:57:21.775 --> 00:57:24.595
Eh, th th this in so
much learning curve,

00:57:24.595 --> 00:57:26.905
we've developed formulas,
we've developed systems.

00:57:26.905 --> 00:57:28.855
We've developed our
support networks

00:57:28.855 --> 00:57:30.565
with developed
after care networks.

00:57:30.985 --> 00:57:32.725
Um, the situation
that we're in is

00:57:32.725 --> 00:57:35.545
solid right now, and
all of our operations

00:57:35.605 --> 00:57:37.345
are solid in the way
that we're actually

00:57:37.345 --> 00:57:39.295
operating because
our network is fast.

00:57:39.805 --> 00:57:43.375
Um, and it's worldwide,
um, with gathering the

00:57:43.375 --> 00:57:45.985
support from the public,
with raising funds from

00:57:45.985 --> 00:57:47.905
the public now, which
we'll talk about now,

00:57:48.475 --> 00:57:51.295
um, this, this, this
helps us massively

00:57:51.295 --> 00:57:53.695
because one of the
biggest hindrances that

00:57:53.695 --> 00:57:56.425
we've got is finances,
lack of finances.

00:57:57.055 --> 00:57:59.485
Um, I want to provide
a free service to

00:57:59.485 --> 00:58:00.445
every family out there.

00:58:00.505 --> 00:58:03.235
There isn't a family in
this world that should go

00:58:03.895 --> 00:58:06.565
without having somebody
physically looking for

00:58:06.565 --> 00:58:08.395
their child when their
child goes missing.

00:58:08.965 --> 00:58:10.945
Right now, the majority
of children that are

00:58:10.945 --> 00:58:12.715
out there that have
gone missing, and you've

00:58:12.715 --> 00:58:14.215
got to understand these
sort of numbers, right?

00:58:14.935 --> 00:58:16.615
8 million children,
every single year go

00:58:16.615 --> 00:58:18.235
missing worldwide.

00:58:20.340 --> 00:58:22.230
And America itself
would say under 1200

00:58:22.230 --> 00:58:24.060
and 50,000 children
that reported missing

00:58:24.060 --> 00:58:25.529
every single again, at
least a third of them

00:58:25.529 --> 00:58:26.340
disappear for good.

00:58:26.520 --> 00:58:29.880
And the UK alone is 137
to 240,000 children.

00:58:30.270 --> 00:58:31.830
And at least 10% of
those children never

00:58:31.830 --> 00:58:35.250
found Australia and
20,000, um, Germany,

00:58:35.310 --> 00:58:36.180
a hundred thousand.

00:58:36.240 --> 00:58:37.620
This is for countries
that I'm giving you

00:58:37.630 --> 00:58:40.080
statistics for and
worldwide, it goes

00:58:40.080 --> 00:58:40.980
up to 8 million.

00:58:41.790 --> 00:58:42.870
No, one's looking
for those kids.

00:58:45.690 --> 00:58:46.410
How scary is that?

00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:49.170
Well, you've
likened it before.

00:58:49.170 --> 00:58:52.350
I remember you saying
it's like a homeless

00:58:52.350 --> 00:58:54.840
person in the streets
and people walk by this

00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:56.759
person in the street
and think nothing of it,

00:58:56.940 --> 00:58:58.920
because they've never
been in that situation.

00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:03.660
What, what would you
tell a parent or somebody

00:59:03.720 --> 00:59:05.370
that would help them?

00:59:06.270 --> 00:59:08.759
Well, I guess twofold
would help prepare them.

00:59:08.910 --> 00:59:10.740
Should they find
themselves in a situation

00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:15.120
and maybe kind of open
their eyes to, um, uh,

00:59:15.240 --> 00:59:17.430
the possibility that
they could possibly find

00:59:17.430 --> 00:59:18.120
themselves in this city?

00:59:19.350 --> 00:59:21.330
Yeah, I think the key
to any finish, you

00:59:21.330 --> 00:59:23.040
find yourself in a
situation that already

00:59:23.040 --> 00:59:24.060
too late, unfortunately.

00:59:24.150 --> 00:59:24.390
Right.

00:59:24.750 --> 00:59:26.580
Um, and that's not too
late to do anything

00:59:26.580 --> 00:59:28.200
about it because that's
what we're here for.

00:59:28.770 --> 00:59:30.960
Um, get into towards
that situation.

00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:32.880
There's always elements
of planning, majority

00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:34.650
of kidnappings or
abductions in the world.

00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.550
Randomly just picked
off the streets.

00:59:37.580 --> 00:59:38.600
Oh, there's one
to take that.

00:59:38.600 --> 00:59:39.080
And let's go.

00:59:39.620 --> 00:59:43.070
Um, even when it comes
to sex trafficking or

00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:47.570
slavery trafficking of
humans for slavery, which

00:59:47.570 --> 00:59:50.510
is a massive industry
in the world now, um,

00:59:50.600 --> 00:59:52.220
or even if it comes to
organ trafficking, it's

00:59:52.230 --> 00:59:53.690
not a case of randoms.

00:59:53.690 --> 00:59:55.570
There's always an
element of planning.

00:59:55.580 --> 00:59:57.200
It might not be
sophisticated planning,

00:59:57.200 --> 00:59:58.550
but there will be an
element of planning.

00:59:58.940 --> 01:00:00.710
Um, an example would
be the Cleo Smith

01:00:00.710 --> 01:00:02.030
case, which has
recently happened

01:00:02.030 --> 01:00:02.750
out in Australia.

01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:05.660
Um, she was taken from a
com site and then taken

01:00:05.670 --> 01:00:08.090
back within a two mile
radius of her own house,

01:00:08.090 --> 01:00:10.280
which means that that
was planned prior to

01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.340
going into that campsite
purposely, which will

01:00:13.340 --> 01:00:13.940
give him destruction.

01:00:13.990 --> 01:00:15.440
This planet does
elements of planet.

01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:17.240
So the biggest key
that anyone can

01:00:17.240 --> 01:00:18.380
do is awareness.

01:00:18.410 --> 01:00:20.660
Be aware of your
surroundings, be

01:00:20.660 --> 01:00:22.430
aware of what is
happening around you.

01:00:22.430 --> 01:00:24.260
Be aware of faces that
you're starting to see

01:00:24.260 --> 01:00:25.160
on a regular basis.

01:00:25.160 --> 01:00:27.440
Be aware of
setting patterns.

01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.120
If you go to school,
go different ways.

01:00:29.120 --> 01:00:30.350
Every single day,
you don't have to

01:00:30.350 --> 01:00:31.070
go at the same time.

01:00:31.070 --> 01:00:33.590
You don't have to
go the same way and

01:00:33.590 --> 01:00:34.190
things like this.

01:00:34.830 --> 01:00:37.440
Um, just be aware if you
walk them with your kid,

01:00:37.470 --> 01:00:39.750
don't stand on the, on
the, on the don't let

01:00:39.750 --> 01:00:42.509
the child stand on the
side for the road or we

01:00:42.509 --> 01:00:43.950
stand on the roadside.

01:00:43.950 --> 01:00:45.270
So therefore there's
someone between the

01:00:45.270 --> 01:00:47.850
road and so on between
the kids educate the

01:00:47.850 --> 01:00:48.839
kids about school.

01:00:48.839 --> 01:00:50.580
If they're at school,
never, ever go to a

01:00:50.580 --> 01:00:51.930
teacher outside of
the school, to their

01:00:51.930 --> 01:00:53.370
car, to actually help
them on something,

01:00:53.790 --> 01:00:55.169
you will always go
inside the school.

01:00:55.169 --> 01:00:56.640
The teacher should
never ask your

01:00:56.640 --> 01:00:57.540
children to do that.

01:00:57.540 --> 01:00:59.310
And I use that as an
example, because two kids

01:00:59.310 --> 01:01:01.859
were kidnapped in Cyprus
and luckily the police

01:01:01.859 --> 01:01:03.000
found them very quickly.

01:01:03.765 --> 01:01:05.355
Well, it was at the
position where they'd

01:01:05.355 --> 01:01:07.395
already been intoxicated
or something, and they

01:01:07.404 --> 01:01:09.705
was unconscious and the
guy was very living,

01:01:09.705 --> 01:01:11.625
very close to the
school, found a CCTV

01:01:11.625 --> 01:01:14.025
funded, but it's things
like that that kids

01:01:14.025 --> 01:01:16.035
need to be educated on
it's things like that.

01:01:16.035 --> 01:01:17.685
The families need
to be educated on.

01:01:18.165 --> 01:01:20.775
Um, and that leads to the
point of not happening

01:01:20.775 --> 01:01:21.435
in the first place.

01:01:21.585 --> 01:01:22.815
When we work in
cultural texts and

01:01:22.815 --> 01:01:23.445
risk management.

01:01:24.080 --> 01:01:26.000
We don't work in close
with texting because we

01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.710
are the guys that throw
out bodies in front

01:01:27.710 --> 01:01:29.750
of the target spot in
front of our client's

01:01:29.750 --> 01:01:30.649
body to protect them.

01:01:30.919 --> 01:01:32.629
If you get to that
point, you failed.

01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:34.160
That's as
simple as it is.

01:01:34.460 --> 01:01:36.710
It's all about knocking
into that situation.

01:01:36.740 --> 01:01:38.569
Read the signs that
are around you.

01:01:38.990 --> 01:01:40.850
If you read those signs
around you and you can

01:01:40.850 --> 01:01:43.160
figure out something
is about to go down, or

01:01:43.190 --> 01:01:45.049
you have a feeling that
something is going to go

01:01:45.049 --> 01:01:47.240
down because of things
that you've seen and

01:01:47.240 --> 01:01:50.390
heard, and the Street's
gone quiet, for example,

01:01:50.390 --> 01:01:51.230
just as an indicator.

01:01:52.950 --> 01:01:54.030
That's as
simple as it is.

01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.540
If you end up in that
sort of situation, do

01:01:57.540 --> 01:01:59.340
the process, go through
the full process, but

01:01:59.340 --> 01:02:02.580
be open to the service
that we provide.

01:02:02.640 --> 01:02:04.470
Not enough people
know about it at the

01:02:04.470 --> 01:02:05.310
moment in the world.

01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:07.440
There's a lot of people
that click an unsweet

01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:08.370
and it's fantastic.

01:02:08.370 --> 01:02:09.630
And I reckon that within
the next year, there's

01:02:09.630 --> 01:02:11.010
going to be a hell of
a lot more people that

01:02:11.010 --> 01:02:14.130
know about it, but be
open to the services,

01:02:14.130 --> 01:02:17.430
call the police 100%,
call the police.

01:02:17.460 --> 01:02:20.190
You don't have to wait
to call us if anyone

01:02:20.190 --> 01:02:22.410
calls us and we've got
the funds or you've

01:02:22.410 --> 01:02:24.990
got the funds, then
we will respond and

01:02:24.990 --> 01:02:26.610
we will do everything
as quick as possible.

01:02:27.390 --> 01:02:29.040
One of the fastest
cases that we've

01:02:29.040 --> 01:02:30.870
ever completed, it
took us two hours.

01:02:31.080 --> 01:02:31.950
There was a
girl that was.

01:02:33.615 --> 01:02:35.384
And she was groomed
to run away, to be

01:02:35.384 --> 01:02:37.634
with her groomer for
sexual gratification.

01:02:37.634 --> 01:02:42.015
From the groomer, her
father called us sway, a

01:02:42.024 --> 01:02:42.915
mother called the police.

01:02:42.915 --> 01:02:44.955
At the same time,
we responded by

01:02:44.955 --> 01:02:46.575
getting guys on the
ground straight away.

01:02:46.604 --> 01:02:48.345
They started to move
into a location.

01:02:48.404 --> 01:02:50.865
We entered the location,
that the area of where

01:02:50.865 --> 01:02:52.214
they were because we
had the home from,

01:02:52.475 --> 01:02:53.384
from a while away.

01:02:54.404 --> 01:02:56.535
Um, we built up an
entire online profile.

01:02:56.535 --> 01:02:58.484
We got an address of
where she was going

01:02:58.484 --> 01:03:00.615
to go up an online
profile of the target.

01:03:00.615 --> 01:03:01.904
We got all of his
criminal record

01:03:01.904 --> 01:03:04.214
history with all of his
social media accounts.

01:03:04.245 --> 01:03:05.475
From his social
media accounts.

01:03:05.475 --> 01:03:07.875
We saw what type of girls
he was targeting, how he

01:03:07.875 --> 01:03:10.274
was targeting them, where
he was targeting them.

01:03:10.785 --> 01:03:12.794
Um, we built all of
that off and we got

01:03:12.794 --> 01:03:14.924
people out the door
within a two hour period

01:03:14.984 --> 01:03:16.634
before the police had
knocked the door to ask

01:03:16.634 --> 01:03:18.044
questions to the mother.

01:03:18.225 --> 01:03:18.435
Wow.

01:03:19.680 --> 01:03:21.600
The reason we could do
that is because we had

01:03:21.600 --> 01:03:22.440
a pot of money there.

01:03:22.680 --> 01:03:24.780
So I'm trying to provide
a free service and the

01:03:24.780 --> 01:03:27.540
way that I provide a free
service or the concept

01:03:27.540 --> 01:03:30.210
of me, how I want to try
to provide a free service

01:03:30.810 --> 01:03:33.450
is it's, it's probably
the most simplistic

01:03:33.450 --> 01:03:36.900
concept that there
could possibly be 30,000

01:03:36.900 --> 01:03:39.090
pounds for an average
international case.

01:03:39.930 --> 01:03:41.280
I don't know what
that translates to

01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:42.120
in Canadian dollars.

01:03:42.120 --> 01:03:44.040
So you have to go to
ecc.com to check it out.

01:03:45.630 --> 01:03:49.860
But, um, 30,000 per
30,000 pound, 15,000

01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:52.950
people donate in
two pounds and 7,500

01:03:52.950 --> 01:03:54.690
people donate in four
pound, gives us one

01:03:54.690 --> 01:03:56.925
international case
population planet 7.8

01:03:56.925 --> 01:03:59.550
billion price of a
cup of coffee averages

01:03:59.550 --> 01:04:00.090
about four pounds.

01:04:01.725 --> 01:04:03.375
Do the maths, it's all.

01:04:03.375 --> 01:04:05.415
It's going to take one
cup of coffee, not even

01:04:05.415 --> 01:04:08.175
that half a cup of coffee
every single month.

01:04:08.625 --> 01:04:10.215
All of you
donate to that.

01:04:10.365 --> 01:04:11.805
We can get
international cases.

01:04:12.765 --> 01:04:14.355
Million people
donate two pounds.

01:04:14.625 --> 01:04:16.245
I can put permanent
teams in Canada,

01:04:16.545 --> 01:04:20.175
Australia, America, South
Africa, and mainland.

01:04:21.075 --> 01:04:23.174
Um, we can dominate
and take the fight

01:04:23.235 --> 01:04:24.105
towards the enemy.

01:04:24.285 --> 01:04:25.815
Take the fight towards
the kidnappers.

01:04:26.265 --> 01:04:28.365
Take the fight towards
sex traffickers because

01:04:28.365 --> 01:04:30.855
you create an, a veteran
military force or ex

01:04:30.855 --> 01:04:33.645
military force, which
is using the skills that

01:04:33.645 --> 01:04:36.225
we've been taught over
a long career within

01:04:36.225 --> 01:04:37.965
the military and private
military and private

01:04:37.965 --> 01:04:40.875
security industry to
actually go out and do

01:04:40.875 --> 01:04:41.775
something that's right.

01:04:41.865 --> 01:04:42.975
To actually look
after our kids.

01:04:42.975 --> 01:04:45.555
Cause nobody else's
that's, that's literally

01:04:45.645 --> 01:04:47.145
the entire concept
of what we're doing.

01:04:47.865 --> 01:04:49.305
Donations that
we take on.

01:04:49.395 --> 01:04:50.505
It comes in many forms.

01:04:50.535 --> 01:04:52.035
We've got merchandise
out there.

01:04:52.065 --> 01:04:55.065
So prom proceeds from
the merchandise that

01:04:55.065 --> 01:04:57.585
goes into, uh, raising
funds for general, uh,

01:04:57.585 --> 01:04:58.455
from the general public.

01:05:00.359 --> 01:05:02.700
We've got the book
for sale, um, which

01:05:02.700 --> 01:05:05.520
is now for presales
on the paperback.

01:05:05.609 --> 01:05:07.529
We've got Patriana,
which is a monthly

01:05:07.529 --> 01:05:09.509
subscription, was
given early access

01:05:09.569 --> 01:05:13.859
and exclusive access
to images, stories,

01:05:13.950 --> 01:05:15.419
and access to my mind.

01:05:15.419 --> 01:05:17.819
More importantly, because
then you get to know

01:05:17.819 --> 01:05:19.200
a little bit what's
going on inside there.

01:05:19.200 --> 01:05:22.319
What's the one operations
and obviously there's

01:05:22.319 --> 01:05:24.839
the there's, there's the
normal stuff of PayPal,

01:05:24.899 --> 01:05:28.710
um, uh, crowdfund and
for just giving and,

01:05:28.799 --> 01:05:30.060
um, Casha we have.

01:05:30.899 --> 01:05:31.290
Okay.

01:05:31.410 --> 01:05:32.730
But that's, that's
the concept of what

01:05:32.730 --> 01:05:33.419
we're trying to create.

01:05:33.629 --> 01:05:35.310
We have to be able to
get to the point where we

01:05:35.310 --> 01:05:38.759
create that, that, that
will make us successful.

01:05:38.819 --> 01:05:41.490
If we create that pot,
when we've got that pot,

01:05:41.700 --> 01:05:44.580
I get tagged at least 10
to 20 times every single

01:05:44.580 --> 01:05:45.509
day in a missing case.

01:05:45.839 --> 01:05:47.189
There's that day, that
goes by where I don't

01:05:47.189 --> 01:05:48.569
have somebody on the
phone crying, maybe

01:05:48.569 --> 01:05:49.259
because that kid's gone.

01:05:49.589 --> 01:05:50.430
There's not a single day.

01:05:50.430 --> 01:05:50.970
That goes by.

01:05:51.029 --> 01:05:52.649
Even on the weekends,
I have tons of calls

01:05:52.649 --> 01:05:54.210
about this, really.

01:05:54.270 --> 01:05:57.390
If we had that pot and
someone called us at

01:05:57.390 --> 01:06:02.885
the right time, Right
time then, uh, we can

01:06:02.885 --> 01:06:03.875
respond to immediately.

01:06:06.265 --> 01:06:08.725
So I guess that would
open up a little

01:06:08.725 --> 01:06:10.285
bit of an ethical
quandary as well.

01:06:10.285 --> 01:06:13.525
When you talk about the
recovery of, of children,

01:06:13.615 --> 01:06:16.705
when most of the
children are, uh, from

01:06:16.825 --> 01:06:18.985
statistically, it it'll
be a parental abduction.

01:06:19.045 --> 01:06:21.325
Is that, uh, how
have you found that?

01:06:21.745 --> 01:06:24.205
Yeah, statistically,
a lot of our cases

01:06:24.205 --> 01:06:25.945
that we've taken in
right now, our parents

01:06:25.945 --> 01:06:27.765
with deductions, the
way that parents are

01:06:27.765 --> 01:06:29.725
deductions work, it's
very complicated.

01:06:29.725 --> 01:06:30.775
It's very difficult.

01:06:31.225 --> 01:06:32.905
Um, again, like I
say, it's not the only

01:06:32.905 --> 01:06:33.685
thing that we take on.

01:06:33.685 --> 01:06:35.095
We do take on the
love of the things and

01:06:35.095 --> 01:06:36.865
we're leading up to a
lot bigger things with

01:06:36.865 --> 01:06:38.755
our affiliations, but
parents are books can

01:06:38.755 --> 01:06:39.805
become very complicated.

01:06:40.645 --> 01:06:42.415
The first one that we
have to analyze straight

01:06:42.415 --> 01:06:43.975
away is what's going on?

01:06:43.975 --> 01:06:44.815
Why did it happen?

01:06:44.815 --> 01:06:47.095
And why are you calling
us to do something?

01:06:48.175 --> 01:06:51.415
Because you as a parent
are over the victim

01:06:51.445 --> 01:06:52.765
or you're the cause.

01:06:52.945 --> 01:06:54.535
And that sounds
really bad to say.

01:06:55.335 --> 01:06:56.175
But it's true.

01:06:56.955 --> 01:06:59.805
I've had parents get
in touch with me and

01:06:59.925 --> 01:07:01.665
clear as day on the
first initial phone

01:07:01.665 --> 01:07:03.525
call within seconds
of them talking to me.

01:07:03.525 --> 01:07:05.475
I know for a fact
that they are recalls,

01:07:06.405 --> 01:07:08.205
they are trying
to manipulate me.

01:07:08.265 --> 01:07:10.425
Um, with that
narcissistic ways.

01:07:10.425 --> 01:07:12.525
They're trying to do
anything that they

01:07:12.525 --> 01:07:14.835
can to, or emotionally
blackmail me in every

01:07:14.835 --> 01:07:15.765
single way possible.

01:07:15.795 --> 01:07:17.475
And you can pick up on
that with intuition.

01:07:17.475 --> 01:07:18.975
You can pick up on
that and experience

01:07:18.975 --> 01:07:21.165
and talking to people
and things like this.

01:07:21.885 --> 01:07:23.865
Um, then you get the
real side of it and you

01:07:23.865 --> 01:07:25.665
get the ones that you
literally have to do

01:07:25.665 --> 01:07:26.655
the investigations on.

01:07:26.655 --> 01:07:28.335
So we take on a case
and we look at it and

01:07:28.335 --> 01:07:29.775
we're like, all right,
this sounds solid.

01:07:29.925 --> 01:07:30.615
Let's check it out.

01:07:30.885 --> 01:07:32.535
We will check out
the case, check all

01:07:32.535 --> 01:07:34.605
court documents and
court documents.

01:07:34.605 --> 01:07:35.175
A lot of details.

01:07:36.080 --> 01:07:38.390
Of what's happened,
why it's happened?

01:07:38.900 --> 01:07:41.540
Um, criminal records,
background checks to

01:07:41.570 --> 01:07:44.360
check that there's
no cause for alarm,

01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:45.530
when it comes to the
fact, if there's any

01:07:45.530 --> 01:07:48.740
charges towards the
partner, who's ran

01:07:48.740 --> 01:07:51.080
away with the child,
whether it'd be from

01:07:51.080 --> 01:07:53.990
domestic abuse or, or,
or anything like that.

01:07:54.530 --> 01:07:56.960
Uh, we then analyze both
sides of the family,

01:07:57.140 --> 01:07:59.570
extended family, all
social media for friends

01:07:59.570 --> 01:08:01.340
and family, to see if we
can find that from there,

01:08:01.340 --> 01:08:03.410
we scour the internet to
find out anything that

01:08:03.410 --> 01:08:04.310
we can possibly find.

01:08:05.120 --> 01:08:07.640
And that's before we
even take on a case.

01:08:09.410 --> 01:08:11.030
That's fantastic.

01:08:11.060 --> 01:08:13.820
Cause I know I would
think anybody who's

01:08:13.940 --> 01:08:15.620
putting money into the
pot would want to have

01:08:16.270 --> 01:08:19.819
a bit of an idea of, of
how you deal with that

01:08:19.819 --> 01:08:22.880
quandary, but that's
the most pragmatic way.

01:08:24.014 --> 01:08:26.474
Yeah, it has to, it
has to be checked out.

01:08:26.955 --> 01:08:29.535
We do psychological
analysis on the, on

01:08:29.535 --> 01:08:30.375
the client as well.

01:08:30.375 --> 01:08:31.694
And we figure everything
out with that.

01:08:32.115 --> 01:08:34.814
And it's all, this is
why a lot of people

01:08:34.875 --> 01:08:35.865
get in touch with
me and they say, oh,

01:08:35.865 --> 01:08:36.404
can I have a job?

01:08:36.465 --> 01:08:39.585
Um, you can see what sort
of levels that you have

01:08:39.585 --> 01:08:41.715
to get to, to be able
to do a job like this.

01:08:41.805 --> 01:08:43.694
It's not something
that you can go in the

01:08:43.694 --> 01:08:45.194
military and then just
walk in the military and

01:08:45.194 --> 01:08:46.635
say, I'm going to do this
because you don't have

01:08:46.635 --> 01:08:48.705
those skills, the skills
you don't have that

01:08:48.944 --> 01:08:50.865
experience, you don't
have those qualifications

01:08:50.894 --> 01:08:52.425
to be able to tease
those sort of levels,

01:08:52.785 --> 01:08:54.555
because there are so
many elements that you

01:08:54.555 --> 01:08:56.984
have to play in when it
comes to the case itself.

01:08:57.014 --> 01:08:58.845
When a parent's with
duction, for example,

01:08:59.234 --> 01:09:01.665
um, there's always
a lot of confusion.

01:09:01.665 --> 01:09:03.764
First of all, parents
live deductions and

01:09:03.764 --> 01:09:04.814
not safe abductions.

01:09:04.904 --> 01:09:07.095
It's, it's one of the
biggest misconceptions

01:09:07.095 --> 01:09:09.795
on this entire planet
where people believe that

01:09:09.795 --> 01:09:11.535
parents are deductions
are safe, abductions.

01:09:11.535 --> 01:09:14.325
Even the police can
categorize parents.

01:09:14.325 --> 01:09:16.125
Abductions is going to
see productions is wrong.

01:09:16.335 --> 01:09:17.234
It's completely wrong.

01:09:18.135 --> 01:09:20.745
No matter what at
the lowest level

01:09:20.745 --> 01:09:22.154
of a parent's love
deduction, the child

01:09:22.154 --> 01:09:22.665
is going to go through.

01:09:23.240 --> 01:09:26.210
Mental abuse or parental
alienation that's at

01:09:26.210 --> 01:09:28.760
the lowest level, I've
seen cases that have

01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:30.710
been taken, taken to
the extremes where a

01:09:30.710 --> 01:09:32.420
parent has kidnapped
her own child, or

01:09:32.420 --> 01:09:34.069
even a boyfriend has
kidnapped the child

01:09:34.069 --> 01:09:34.760
of that partner.

01:09:35.180 --> 01:09:36.620
And this is one that
happened in Romania

01:09:36.620 --> 01:09:37.250
very recently.

01:09:37.250 --> 01:09:38.210
So very recent case.

01:09:38.360 --> 01:09:41.540
It came out about two
weeks ago, physically

01:09:41.630 --> 01:09:44.779
killed the children and
then killed themselves

01:09:45.140 --> 01:09:46.940
just to leave a
psychological impact

01:09:46.940 --> 01:09:47.720
on the parent Muslim.

01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:51.810
That's how bad the
parents abductions get.

01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:53.460
I haven't worked on a
parents that duction

01:09:53.460 --> 01:09:55.320
case where there hasn't
been some sort of

01:09:55.320 --> 01:09:57.690
psychological elements
involved in it, mental

01:09:57.810 --> 01:09:59.370
illness involved into it.

01:09:59.910 --> 01:10:01.460
I've had parents that
have been frightened

01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:02.310
to kill their kids.

01:10:02.310 --> 01:10:05.850
If anybody goes near the
house, um, uh, physical,

01:10:05.910 --> 01:10:08.280
actual, physical violence
on the kids recently,

01:10:08.280 --> 01:10:10.740
I've had a grandmother
that's been poisoning

01:10:10.740 --> 01:10:13.440
her own child, which is
the mother of the actual

01:10:13.440 --> 01:10:16.410
kid and her grandchild,
um, just for the

01:10:16.410 --> 01:10:18.720
psychological elements
of control over them.

01:10:19.740 --> 01:10:20.250
Right.

01:10:20.310 --> 01:10:22.200
It's a massive
misconception to say

01:10:22.200 --> 01:10:25.110
that they're safe when
it comes to a parents

01:10:25.110 --> 01:10:27.300
that addiction and the
recovery of, of a child

01:10:27.300 --> 01:10:29.010
has been a victim of the
parents that duction,

01:10:29.370 --> 01:10:31.170
um, a lot of people think
that we're kidnapping.

01:10:32.295 --> 01:10:33.945
Um, it's always
described like that

01:10:33.945 --> 01:10:36.195
because there's always
another misconception

01:10:36.195 --> 01:10:36.915
of how it works.

01:10:37.995 --> 01:10:40.875
The cases that we take
on the parent that

01:10:40.875 --> 01:10:43.095
we're taking it on
with the client has

01:10:43.095 --> 01:10:45.105
the legal rights to
take that child back.

01:10:45.285 --> 01:10:47.895
And the reason he has,
or she has the legal

01:10:47.895 --> 01:10:50.025
rights is because
they've gone through

01:10:50.025 --> 01:10:51.915
the courts and they've
taken on full custody.

01:10:52.335 --> 01:10:53.985
They've got the Interpol
warrants out, which

01:10:53.985 --> 01:10:55.455
is the warrant for
arrest, and they've got

01:10:55.455 --> 01:10:58.455
the missing, missing
a yellow notice, which

01:10:58.455 --> 01:11:00.975
has been issued, which
gives us international,

01:11:01.395 --> 01:11:02.955
um, help from Interpol.

01:11:02.955 --> 01:11:05.505
We can literally
assistant to assist

01:11:05.505 --> 01:11:07.305
us with local
authorities to be able

01:11:07.305 --> 01:11:07.995
to help us with that.

01:11:08.325 --> 01:11:09.645
Sometimes we use
them with sometimes.

01:11:10.330 --> 01:11:12.099
It depends on what
country we're in,

01:11:12.519 --> 01:11:14.740
what the situation
is outside of that.

01:11:14.769 --> 01:11:16.019
And then got the
international Hague

01:11:16.030 --> 01:11:18.849
convention, which orders
an actual, um, uh,

01:11:18.849 --> 01:11:21.190
document, uh, a court
order to say that the

01:11:21.190 --> 01:11:23.139
child has to be returned
back to the place of

01:11:23.139 --> 01:11:24.129
habitual residence.

01:11:24.610 --> 01:11:26.830
Now, with all of that
combined, you then have

01:11:26.830 --> 01:11:29.080
to get execution orders
with inside that country

01:11:29.080 --> 01:11:32.019
to execute the order,
to return that child

01:11:32.019 --> 01:11:32.920
back to that country.

01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:34.509
And because of the
hate convention.

01:11:34.900 --> 01:11:36.460
And as long as that
country is part of

01:11:36.460 --> 01:11:39.250
the hae, then they
will, should, or they

01:11:39.309 --> 01:11:44.469
have to in theory,
issue that execution.

01:11:44.650 --> 01:11:46.299
So when you go through
with that execution, this

01:11:46.299 --> 01:11:47.200
is where we come into it.

01:11:47.230 --> 01:11:49.030
We actually at school and
we provide closure to.

01:11:49.815 --> 01:11:51.255
This is why we it's
important for us to

01:11:51.255 --> 01:11:52.455
have a close protection
and the medical

01:11:52.455 --> 01:11:53.205
background as well.

01:11:54.045 --> 01:11:56.505
When you go in for locals
protection, we also,

01:11:56.684 --> 01:12:00.285
then they have a sense
of authority of power

01:12:00.525 --> 01:12:02.384
towards the authorities
that are around them

01:12:02.384 --> 01:12:04.964
because they see that
we're there as strange as

01:12:04.964 --> 01:12:07.275
it sounds, being British
also helps us massively

01:12:07.724 --> 01:12:09.464
when we're going into a
country, such as a third

01:12:09.464 --> 01:12:11.384
world country, they see
it and they actually

01:12:11.525 --> 01:12:14.684
enforce our orders
as their own orders.

01:12:16.634 --> 01:12:18.105
It's a psychological
element.

01:12:18.105 --> 01:12:19.514
It is, there's a lot
of nations out there

01:12:19.514 --> 01:12:20.955
that subservient and
things like that.

01:12:20.955 --> 01:12:22.275
And then all of a
sudden that sort of

01:12:22.275 --> 01:12:24.375
psychological element
plays into power as well.

01:12:24.825 --> 01:12:26.745
Um, so the parent will
always be the one that

01:12:26.745 --> 01:12:27.585
picks up that child.

01:12:27.585 --> 01:12:28.724
We will never
touch that child.

01:12:28.724 --> 01:12:30.464
We will never ever do
anything to that while

01:12:30.464 --> 01:12:32.804
we will only protect
them as a client, as a

01:12:32.804 --> 01:12:34.485
close protection plan,
and we'll give them

01:12:34.514 --> 01:12:35.985
preventative protection
to make sure that they're

01:12:35.985 --> 01:12:37.485
safe to get them out
of that country and

01:12:37.485 --> 01:12:38.804
return them back to
their home country.

01:12:39.615 --> 01:12:41.445
And that's the
difference in apparent.

01:12:42.555 --> 01:12:44.085
We haven't gone after
sex traffickers yet.

01:12:44.115 --> 01:12:45.345
This is something
we're building up to.

01:12:45.345 --> 01:12:47.144
And it's like, I've
said many times the

01:12:47.144 --> 01:12:49.995
more cases that we take
on, it's a matter of

01:12:49.995 --> 01:12:52.095
time before we walk
through a door and we've

01:12:52.095 --> 01:12:52.995
got more kids there.

01:12:53.475 --> 01:12:54.915
And then that leads
us into a completely

01:12:54.915 --> 01:12:56.415
different element, which
is the element that

01:12:56.415 --> 01:12:57.915
we're trying to get to,
which is why we create

01:12:57.915 --> 01:12:59.715
any affiliations with
these large groups, like

01:12:59.745 --> 01:13:03.765
our parents for just
fair for child rescue

01:13:04.135 --> 01:13:04.995
in America as well.

01:13:05.055 --> 01:13:05.625
Things like enough,

01:13:07.815 --> 01:13:08.205
Jay.

01:13:08.265 --> 01:13:09.375
That's fantastic.

01:13:09.405 --> 01:13:11.625
You know, I'm, I'm
looking at the time here.

01:13:13.125 --> 01:13:14.475
Is there anything
else that we should be

01:13:14.475 --> 01:13:17.085
talking about before we
kind of wrap things up?

01:13:18.405 --> 01:13:22.575
Um, I mean, I could
go on all night.

01:13:24.135 --> 01:13:24.495
Hi,

01:13:24.555 --> 01:13:26.625
I'm loving this stories
and really we could, we

01:13:26.625 --> 01:13:27.465
could talk for a while.

01:13:27.465 --> 01:13:28.965
I'm just, I'm trying
to be conscious

01:13:28.965 --> 01:13:29.445
of your time.

01:13:29.445 --> 01:13:30.705
Cause I know you've
got a family and

01:13:30.945 --> 01:13:31.875
how we've scheduled.

01:13:31.875 --> 01:13:33.575
This one is in between
things here a little bit.

01:13:33.915 --> 01:13:34.245
Yeah.

01:13:34.245 --> 01:13:35.625
I've got a lot of
conferences coming

01:13:35.625 --> 01:13:36.195
up tonight as well.

01:13:36.615 --> 01:13:38.235
I think the prime
things are out there.

01:13:38.625 --> 01:13:39.585
I think there's
going to be a lot

01:13:39.585 --> 01:13:40.725
of questions raised.

01:13:40.755 --> 01:13:43.095
Um, and those questions
we can always come

01:13:43.095 --> 01:13:45.045
back to on different
podcasts or we can go

01:13:45.045 --> 01:13:48.795
into live on or animal
control and join and

01:13:49.335 --> 01:13:50.655
ask any questions
that you want to.

01:13:51.285 --> 01:13:54.345
But, um, I, I think, I
think the prime points

01:13:54.435 --> 01:13:55.755
are covered on it all.

01:13:55.845 --> 01:13:59.925
Um, it's, it's
complicated and

01:13:59.925 --> 01:14:01.655
it's in depth and
I've only, I've only

01:14:01.885 --> 01:14:02.935
touched the surface of.

01:14:05.310 --> 01:14:08.610
Well angel in the
shadows, Jay Jordan

01:14:08.730 --> 01:14:09.810
of Pegasus ops.

01:14:09.870 --> 01:14:11.640
We're going to have
links up on YouTube.

01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:13.410
We'll have links up
through the podcast

01:14:13.470 --> 01:14:16.110
and if you want to see
more, click those links,

01:14:16.110 --> 01:14:17.310
see what Jay's up to.

01:14:17.790 --> 01:14:18.810
If you have it
with you need to

01:14:18.810 --> 01:14:20.100
be able to donate.

01:14:20.100 --> 01:14:21.270
It's a worthy cause.

01:14:21.420 --> 01:14:23.070
Consider it, Jay.

01:14:23.120 --> 01:14:24.840
Thank you very much for
being on the silver Corp

01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:25.410
podcast.

01:14:25.950 --> 01:14:27.180
I appreciate you
having me on man.