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Today, I'm joined by a man who over
a long career has acquired a very
specific set of skills.
The hunting we'll be talking about in this
episode is that of the two legged variety
and the world of international child.
I'm joined by the owner of Pegasus ops, which
locates and rescues, missing and kidnapped
children worldwide.
Welcome to the Silvercore podcast.
Jay Jordan
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like this is not an occupation for
the faint of heart.
I mean, w what is your background and
how did you get into this line of work?
I think in general, the majority of things that
I've ever got into in life, apart from the
military, I fell into it.
It's like the universe has just brought
everything together and pulled me in a
direction that I was supposed to go to.
But I'm nine years old.
I knew I wanted to join the military.
Um, I joined the military at 16.
Um, when I was in the military, I served
the Northern islands cost of OCR, the rack
operational tours.
And there was always this thing inside me that the
army was never enough.
So when I got out the army being the boisterous
lab that I was, I ended up, I ended up
taking all my savings from the army and,
uh, and blowing them.
And when I went over to Milan, stayed in Milan
for a good few months, then I was living over
there, not the place for an ex young soldier
to, uh, to hang around considering they spend
millions teaching us how to party and drink
like 10 and 10 euros a drink over there.
It was crazy.
No kidding.
Uh, so, uh, so my savings didn't last very long
anyway, but, um, I ended up coming back to the
UK and, uh, when I was back in the UK, Um,
I ended up living on the streets for a bit.
It didn't phase me in any way whatsoever.
I started writing my book.
I had ambitions.
I always knew that I wanted to go somewhere
and do something bigger than what I
was doing anyway.
And, uh, when I was, when I was on the
streets, this is like a very long story.
Can then extend to a very short period of time.
I used to check my emails at the local library.
That's pretty much the only place I
would hang out really.
Right.
I received an email from one of the
lads in the army.
They, uh, they got in touch.
Tell me that there's a, contract's
going out in Iraq.
So I sent off an email.
I didn't even know how to write a CV.
That's how bad it was at the time.
I was 22 at the time when I got out.
And you're living on the streets for how long?
Yeah, six months I was on the streets.
Yeah, wait, wait, wait and see.
But I mean, you know, I used to beg for
a couple of quid.
I'd go down to the local Boozer, which
wasn't far from where I was sleeping anyway.
And then I talked to all the old veterans down
there and then, uh, and then that's been that,
that, so it's been my debts and it always made
them for a good night.
Yeah.
That's not too bad, too bad.
We get the best of what you
got.
Oh, you go.
Yeah.
But when it came to the fact of, uh, of
sending this email off, I literally, um,
commence my entire army career into a
full line paragraph.
Um, asking if you're going to jobs going
basically, uh, I didn't think anything of it
didn't think anything would come of it less
than a 24 hour period.
I had an email in my inbox.
I'm saying that certain person was
going to call me.
Um, and again, I still, it still didn't register.
I didn't know what the job was.
I didn't know what I was applying for.
I just knew that I'd emailed somebody
asking for a job in Iraq, that's all in.
And then, uh, I ended up, uh, going with my
best mate from school.
I was helping him navigate through, uh, for
Birmingham city whilst he was doing deliveries.
And this, this signal was really, really bad.
So, uh, as we, as we, as we're driving down the
motorway and we're just about to come off into
some country roads where the signal is reading
by the see that I've got missed call, um, being
the young lad that I was and being a little.
Um, child and the mentality of a child,
it turned out that it was, um, a previous
regimental Sergeant major, the SAS, and
then that military training kicks in and
my heart drops thinking I've just got off.
I'm not in anymore, but that was inside my head.
Oh no, no, you definitely don't.
And that's, that's the type of bloke, no
matter what age you are, you will always
stand to attention.
He gets on the phone to me.
He calls him by turns around and says, uh,
I'll have a ticket for you within a week.
This is what's going to happen.
These people are going to get in touch with you.
And when you get in country, I'm going to
help you write a CV.
So I was like, oh, it looks like.
Wow, that took me on a wild adventure.
I really, um, I spent eight years over in Iraq
as a private contractor.
Uh, and it was none of sorry, five years in Iraq
as a private contractor.
Um, it was crazy.
The minute I landed at the airport and the rock,
I, again, I still didn't know what the job was.
I didn't know what I was doing that I also
knew was that I was going from one country
to another country.
And I know how to shoot.
That's literally, always on my mind, I get picked
up at the airport.
I got picked up at the airport and I'm the
operations manager for the company pixels up.
They look at me because I was 22 years old, skinny
little kid in their eyes because the average.
Of, uh, of the guys that were out there at the
time, it was anywhere between 35 to 45.
We even had like 65, 75 year old Vietnam
vets out there.
And they really, these guys are like, seriously,
it makes of Americans.
We had a lot of south African, like the
old school, South Africa mercenaries
that used to go into countries in Africa
and Dakota, tars and all this sort of stuff.
Big burly blokes around me looking like a stick.
And they're like looking at me thinking there's
going to be some.
So they throw a body armor.
It made it for, uh, a weapon.
I mean, AK 47 and asked me if I knew
how to use it.
And I was like, yeah.
And it threw me in a vehicle.
And then next thing you know, we're driving
down the road, uh, brew Irish from the airport
over to the green zone.
And there's a vehicle in front and it's like
ramen cars off the road.
You've got vehicle behind us, which is
coming up on the side of us and it's doing all
the blocking drills to protect this vehicle.
And that was probably the first initial moment
where I realized I was getting into something.
I had no clue what it was about.
And it was like those thoughts that
were inside my head.
It was a case of what the fuck are you
got yourself into?
Didn't have a clue.
What was.
I didn't totally, it was weird.
It really was.
And even to this day, I mean, that was in 2004.
Um, even in 2016, me and my mate took on a
contract down in Jackie, in Afghanistan, and we
both got there and we was both going, what are
we actually doing here?
Because we did exactly the same thing, took
a job, not knowing what it was, just
knowing where we're going and that's it.
It was great.
It's, it's mental, how it all worked out.
But I get taken over to, uh, to the green zone
is around lunchtime.
We don't have our ID cards issued or
anything like that.
DOD cards for the U S places to go
into the USD Fox.
And, uh, then, uh, we go down to a cafe called
the green zone cafe.
This is a tin shack building.
That's all it is.
Uh, they sell pizzas, stuff like that.
Um, plastic tables, plastic chairs.
Standing there, we will do a pizza and all
you hear was like free frumps free mortars.
We launched into the end.
Everyone took them one of these plastic tables.
And I remember clear as day that the first
thought that came through my head,
this is like within an hour of actually
being in country now to start this new job.
And the third, the first thought that was
inside my head is why are they underneath
plastic tables?
I couldn't, I couldn't understand it.
The concept of them being in the plastic tables
was more shocking to me than the fact that
we got free mortars in the sky heading
towards us right now, the first one explodes.
And it's like close enough.
The second one's a lot closer.
And then the guy that I was with was
a guy called Louis.
Really good mate of mine.
He was, he ended up dying out there.
He did, unfortunately.
It turns around to me and another guy that
had just flown and he said, uh, it's either
going to hit us or it's going to just go over us.
I was standing there still thinking, what
are these guys on the plastic tables and
jazz are, why are we still standing there?
But because I was because I was like 22
years old and these guys were these guys.
Hawk, or you can see that, you know, when
you get a look into someone, you can see it.
And me as young, I would still consider
myself a kid at that age, to be honest with
a mentality, I had to leave in the army and
looking at these guys.
I was like, I'm not, I'm not moving.
I'm not, I'm not doing anything.
I'm not going to move until that bloat
tells me to move.
I'm not going to do anything until that
book tells me to do.
And he just couldn't believe it.
The third one hits, it goes just over us.
And then everybody stands up from underneath these
tables and chairs and Bomba start the building.
The building is now completely empty before
we went in there, there was no tables
and chairs to sit.
Let me just goes over, picks up a chair, sits
down and waits for his pizza to be delivered.
And I was like, this is, this is, this is unreal.
What's going on here.
But as I went through the process of being
over there and I spent five years.
And I excelled and excelled for every
single stage that I went through.
Um, you get to see how that does change you
as a person, how that grows you as a person,
because then you're the one that's standing there
picking people up from the airport and have they
come in and go through the same experiences.
Yeah, I started up doing that.
And then, uh, end of 2008, I left the road.
I went over to west Africa.
Um, I did a bit of maritime on the merchant
ships, which was pretty terrible, um, in the
Gulf of Aden, uh, against Somali pirates,
never had any contacts myself on that for the
journalism themselves were more horrendous
in the fact of the conditions that you live
in living on the, in the way that you're treated
by the actual officers within those ships.
Uh, so it really wasn't for me.
Yeah, it was a, it was sporadic.
So they'd get shipped.
I'd go out, I'll go out for two weeks and I come
back and then I might be on a different contract
while the waiting around for an of the ship.
So, and that was going through the period of,
uh, end of 2008 through to the beginning of 2010.
Really did that pay.
Yeah.
Oh, a hundred percent.
It pays the bills.
It was literally free money.
You're going to stand on the ship.
I mean, you can literally do anything you want.
As long as you do your duties on the ship.
The majority of the time you end up working out a
wall shoe on duty anyway, because you're still
on the bridge doing it.
And then you use the bars and the railings
and stuff like that.
And then the food you're just dropping weight
and getting ripped.
Anyway, it was mad and he had to pay
good money for it.
So, uh, so I didn't complain to.
Uh, but, um, I did some contracts out in west
Africa, uh, in 2009 down in Guinea-Bissau, uh,
which was recovering a load of equipment
from an old soul from mine, which was just
after a year after the president presidential
assassination has been for elections.
So it was a crazy time because basically,
um, all of these organizations were, they
were killing each other, killing literal concerts
and things like this.
And the way they do it is it's a brutal manner.
Then as you have been to Africa and you
know, that cultures and traditions, but yeah,
they've got no problems cut someone's heart out
and eat it because they think they're going to
get the strength from that person, transfer
them to themselves.
It's worth on that contract.
That, that was probably one of the most
stressful contracts I've ever came across.
Um, in the aspect of how arduous it was.
Um, the difficult as we had to move
in that equipment.
Um, and obviously the threats that were
against us and our prime frat that was against
us was the police, um, really strange.
Does that sound considering when we were
licensed and we was all good in that country
and we was doing the right thing, we had no
problems whatsoever.
The police surrounded us every day.
And I remember there was one day where, and again,
these stupid thoughts go inside your head.
We had at least 10 of these, um,
police officers.
We've, AKA's all circled around me.
And one of a guy we both had Glocks
and that was it.
And they were all pointing their weapons
at us demanding money.
And in the course of those two months, we
paid out a lot of money to in bribes just to
stay alive so we can actually get that
equipment out of there.
But when I was standing in the middle of
that circle, it was literally it's those
stupid faults that are inside your head.
And I was thinking.
I'm going to do is just dive on the floor
because it's going to be a comical scene
because they will
continuously through that entire,
I guess in hindsight, when you look at that,
they, they wouldn't want to slaughter the
golden goose there.
If you guys are shelling out, that kind of
coin to in bribes, it's just a show.
But when you're in the, in the thick of it,
I mean, you looking down the business end
of a firearm, you do what you gotta do.
Yeah.
Oh.
Um, it turned out, I think it was about
six figures that they ended up paying out
in, in broad contract.
And then we got the stuff out of there and
that's the equipment that we're going out.
And that was worth millions.
Like.
Well, then from that end of 2009, I got a
hold of a good contract.
Time enough.
Then I went out to Afghan.
I spent 11 years in Afghanistan.
I only got out of there last year.
I was all over that country and I was
on all sorts of different projects.
It was, it was mental, um, great
money at the start.
I mean, it's phased out, but in the last, last
few years, really, um, but it was something
that I was doing good.
It was what I wanted, what I was doing in
Iraq that was starting to die out in Iraq,
driving around in three vehicle convoys,
actually doing your job as close protection,
protecting those that need protecting whether
that be NGOs or military officials or whatever.
Um, cause it was dying out in Iraq.
I was getting bored, but going back to
Afghanistan, I was able to do that again.
Then in Helmand province and I have more vehicles,
I was able to train my own team again and we was
able to go all over those dangerous areas again.
Um, so I enjoyed the working in it.
It really lit that fire inside me.
It was just fun.
There's loads of little jobs I've
done in between.
Um, I, in the printer, I used to provide
protection for him when he was going
through the cold phase, which was mega.
Um, I got paid to go to the Maldives
and Sage Hills.
Um, and there was also, uh, I got into Molly
just after the coup in Marley Marley when the
toolbox took over the north, um, that was
basically post protection on a, um, the Chinese
news network CCTV.
So, so that was a good contract as well.
But overall majority of my time has been,
uh, Afghanistan
in that industry.
So you start by doing, uh, asset recovery
vehicles and, and equipment, and you say,
Hey, this is pretty good.
Uh, let's, let's look at.
Human recovery.
See if we can start recovering children, like
how did that leap start?
Because it's sort of a niche industry.
100%.
It is.
Yeah.
Without a doubt.
So I started the prime focus of everything
I've done is close with texts and says
looking after people.
And there's always been that, that, that mission
element of looking after people in itself, um,
there's been contracts where I've done during
the recovery of assets and everything like that.
In 2012, end of 2012.
Um, I was in Afghanistan and I received an
injury hearing injury.
My left ear went, um, my age or withdrew back into
my elk and had nothing on it from like that.
So it was, it was hilarious the way that
it happened as bad as it was, because literally I
do not want this or wish this upon anyone because
it is horrendous to feel this it's like noises
go inside your head and it's all jumbled up.
It's just crazy.
Um, I could sit there by myself,
have a no problems with the slightest
noise comes into that room and that's it.
My head's a mess.
It's like, it's just so confusing.
What's going on.
But really the company has seriously.
If you lose your hearing in any way whatsoever, I
might say if it was full blast, I could watch the
kids come into the room and talk at the same
time as that spot go to a bar, the ambient noise
in a bar would literally just destroy me.
I'll be there for a headache of in an hour
and I'll have to leave.
It's horrible.
And you still suffer from that now.
No six month temporary hearing loss eventually
came back out.
So I was quite lucky in the aspect of it.
Um, well the company had to send me home
and like I said before, this is where the
universe comes into it.
This is where the universe has always
pulled me into the right directions to put me
into the right place at the right time.
Um, the last contract where I got this injury
that I was working on, I was working with a guy
that was, um, originally he grew up in Lebanon is
British, but he grew up in Lebanon with his dad
and my dad always best mates on Lebanon and
stuff like this spent most of his life out
that doesn't live there anymore at that time.
So I met him on that last contract,
then I got injured.
And then whilst I'm waiting to go home.
The guy that I knew.
Um, and to this day, I still do not remember how
I met him, but I'd been talking to him for years.
And he was always asked me for a point of contact
wherever he was someone that could go in and
help him to do what he wanted to do, whether
that be advice or whether that be a physical
operation, never asked any questions, gave him a
name, gave him a contact D and then that was, it
didn't have any interest in what he was doing.
All's I knew that he was in charge of coverage
at the same time that I was waiting to go home.
He gets in touch and asked me if I can go
over to Lebanon to help him out on this job.
Um, didn't have a clue what the job was again.
But I was like, well, I seem to be in a
position where I'm just going home and I've got
nothing to do right now.
So yeah.
So, uh, so we'll go home.
He meets it with me and, uh, I was living
in Cyprus at the time.
It makes a mean Cyprus.
Uh, we have a chat about what it is.
Turns out that I'm a ruined child were being
held against their will father kidnapped the
child from Australia.
And, um, Basically, he was connected
to Hezbollah.
The mother and child were in the Muslim
controlled town, which is a Hezbollah
controlled town.
And, uh, and there was armed personnel all
around them all the time.
And he couldn't figure out how to
get out of there.
So I flew over with him and, uh, long story
short, because I'm not going to go into too
many details about this because I do have a
book out which tells you all of the details.
Um, I go over there, um, within the first
seven days of me being over there, it led to
us being blocked in by vehicle guys, jumping
out with weapons, Ks, and 40 sevens.
Um, I was getting around that vehicle and being
chased out of town.
Um, we had, um, tales on us when we
was down in Tripoli.
Um, it was, it was just mad.
And I was thinking to myself, well,
is this work?
What is going on here?
Well, I gave him my opinion.
I built up an idea of an operation, um,
on knew what he had to do to be able to
get them out of that.
I didn't know his capabilities.
I didn't know what assets he had.
It didn't know what the company's assets
that he had that was working with advice,
which I gave to him.
And after that seven days, then I left
and I went back home.
My mind is set.
I'm going to get healed.
I'm going to go back to Afghanistan,
but no worries.
I'm happy with what I'm doing anyway.
It was about maybe about two weeks,
three weeks later, something like this.
He gives me a call, tells me that it's quit the
case, which bothered.
Like really bothered me and quit working
on that case quit.
So he'd been working on that case maybe about
six months already.
Okay.
I didn't realize how much money had been put into
this, but afterwards I found out that there was
about 140 to 160 grand or something like that that
was put into this case.
So he decided to quit.
And then the owner of his company and asked me
if I would take on the case and actually go over
there to complete it.
And I'm sitting there thinking, Ooh, I don't
know nothing about the child recovery industry.
I don't know nothing about, um, infiltrate,
you know, actual tray.
I mean, I know stuff in the military,
but on the private sector side of it.
Um, but I've always had the attitude, which
is you can do anything you want as long as
you don't get caught.
Uh, so, so it was constantly
there in my head.
You could probably do this if you
find the right way.
Um, I sat down with the misses and we had
conversations with the two days later, uh, I was
going back to Afghanistan was solid, stable,
financially stable.
Everything's good.
I'm enjoying my job.
Do I, do I do something here?
And the question that kept coming up was
who else is going to go over that?
Who else is actually going to go and get
in that mode or that they've been abandoned
now by what four of us at the time, this
is a professional company because I've
been working for professional companies.
I would expect that this company that's
dealing with children and this, these sort
of situations to be a professional company.
Right.
And, uh, and it, it really dug deep and
every single time that question came up, who
else is going to do it?
Who else is going to do it?
Um, and I would say that the majority of
decisions in my life has always been, uh,
developed through, fuck it, moments.
It's that, it's that moment when you sit
in there and you can't make a decision on
anything, or when you write that email and
you write that email to someone and you're
like, does that sound a little bit too abrupt?
And it's like, fuck it, press that book.
And that's what it was.
Yeah.
That's what it is.
So the decision was made like that and it was
like, no, I can't, I cannot let them sit there
thinking that everyone's given up on them.
So I did, I went over.
I get over there.
Um, I, again, learning on the job, you
gotta remember this.
Isn't my forte, this isn't what I do.
Right.
I was there.
I was learning on the job, right?
What do I need to do here?
I've got to figure this out, out, everything I've
learned in the past, when the contracting world,
the private military world, the, the military
itself, you're always learning on the job no
matter what, you always adapting to situations.
I mean, we've all, we all know the model, right?
So that's literally what I was doing for
that entire operation.
So it was a case of like, right, I need to do this
and I need to do this and I need to do this.
How do I do this?
Um, I need these people, these people,
these people, how do I get these
people and all this?
And, uh, it just started working out like that
one step at a time, one step at a time.
It took me a good few months to do.
Power of elimination.
I eliminated ideas.
I rent eventually realized when I
was in Lebanon.
The last major attempt I had was, uh, was a
meet and there was a run to me and not expected
in any way whatsoever.
I was trying to.
To befriend the captain of a boat, um, asking
them how it could get packaged out of the
country without anybody knowing about it.
And to my knowledge, did I know that he took me
into an office, which I thought was a boating
office where I'd have to bluff my way out
of there turned out to be Lebanese mafia.
They, uh, they strip searched me.
They took all my electronic devices.
And then I ended up standing in front of
the Lebanese mafia in my underwear saying, I need
you to get a practice out of this country.
It was just weird.
It was
just so weird.
It was the real Italia.
The me.
This is a Hezbollah controlled area
of Lebanon wasn't
no.
Yeah, no.
So it's at this point where you've
got certain areas which are controlled
and protected by the molars and Hezbollah
themselves very divided.
So this was closer towards Christian areas,
but this was a Muslim, um, um, Harbor area.
Gotcha.
Um, fishermen's areas.
So it's probably mixed anyway, but this guy
is in there and the meeting went fine.
The meeting was fantastic apart from the fact
that I'm standing there in my underwear,
complete swap, but he offered me a price.
I said, I'll, I'll mull over it.
And I'll think about it.
The price was extortionate.
There's no way that we could afford it.
And, uh, and that's another thing.
When I came onto the case, that's when I
realized how little money they had left.
Out of that 140, 160 grand.
And that was, that was actually
originally put into it.
So I was quite shocked about that as well.
So I'm on a minimal budget as well, to
try to fix this.
I was looking for a small boat to be able to
sneak out and then meet.
And another boat.
Those plans were falling through every plan that
I was coming up with was falling through
on the Lebanese side.
So sitting, I was thinking to myself, I
need to regroup here.
This, this is not going to work on this side.
I have to figure something out on
a different angle.
And, um, I went down to the beach and I was
with the grandfather of the kid at the time.
And the grandfather is, uh, is one of these
blokes who likes to tour and he's done everything.
I'm not saying anything bad about him.
He was very annoying because he just kept
talking to me and talking to her and he was telling
me how to do my job.
And I was just like, that wouldn't work.
That's like literally suicidal.
You're asking me to get like, um, you know, the
kids, no, Boats that you get at the beach
and then you float the kids around one
of them, I'll be fine.
We can hook up some batteries.
And I was just like, you're going to die.
You go down this road and you're going to die.
But the more that you spoke to me and as
annoying as it was on all of the ideas, cause
it was constant pressure on me, 24 hours a day,
and I'm still trying to figure stuff out.
And it was, it was not stressful thing
I've ever done.
Um, the more he spoke to me, the more I was
like, hold on, I've got a better way to do that.
And that's when I decided.
I need to get about the Cyprus Cyprus.
I know, I know everything there is
to know about Cypress.
I know where to find the right people to do the
right job all the time.
I did that for a long time at this point.
Um, so I was like, yeah, this is what
I'm going to do.
I booked over the Cyprus and that's
when I started hanging around the marina.
Um, long story short on this.
This is where, um, I ended up connecting
with the Cypriot mafia.
The Cypriot mafia helped me to get a boat within
rigged up that boat, which took another week.
Um, basically building steel frames on it,
um, fish finders.
So we could have a cover story on the other side
as efficient vessel.
The story was weak as fuck the cover story
to go over there on this boat, it was
horrendous, but he works.
So we make that all the boat that cost us
a fair bit of money anyway, which was extra
money that the client had to pay for it.
This was a solid plan.
I brought in a neck, I'm a Royal Marine
commander as a Coxen.
And, uh, and, and this bloke, he was like one
of the most amazing blokes I've ever met
because he was nuts.
Um, when I say nuts, I'm talking modern
Murdoch scale, um, from the 18, when he's like,
oh my God, it was boy.
He was, he was solid at the same time.
And it was like, he was devoted, dedicated
100% straight down line that's okay.
He's just crazy at the same time.
And I thought perfect bloke to take this boat,
which I'd hope makes it over 120 nautical
miles of sea to get to another country
with the cover story.
That he did it as a drunken bet that he
couldn't make it.
I swear to God, that was it.
That's all.
It was, he was drunk in a bar.
Someone bet that he couldn't make it to
Lebanon and he had to go to Lebanon.
And that's why he did it.
Um, by the time the boat got there, we put a steel
frame on some fiberglass holes for starters.
Um, that wasn't good because obviously it
starts to shake loose and the fiberglass starts the
breakaway and wherever.
So we have problems with that and we have to get
repairs on that on there.
As soon as we got down on that side, the
repairs were obviously bastardized as best
as possible, but there wasn't a solid, um,
and his job was to control the water side.
And basically he had to do all of the
records on the water.
So he was looking for coast guard vessels
that could possibly hinder our extraction.
Um, he was looking for any military vessels.
He was looking for any fin that could
possibly get in our way whatsoever.
And the most critical part was that when I'd
find a place on the coast, I can get to,
from my pickup point, I need him to check
if he can pick me up from that location.
And that was the only communication that we
had between each of them until the very
day of the operation.
It all worked out.
There was lots of things that went wrong,
but there was lots of things that went wrong.
Um, I did the land side of the operation,
which led me down so many different roads.
Um, but overall, we ended up in a situation where
I picked up the mother.
Um, we ended up in a safe house.
I'm not going to go into the details of
why, because you can get the book for this.
Cause I'm giving a lot away.
Right.
Then we ended up in a safe house, which was
technically the longest night of my life.
Um, and then from there we moved onto the boat.
Um, and then we got on that boat and I
wanted to, one of the hardest parts I fought,
I would come across.
We get that boat and I'm going to go across.
We've just proven it comes across the
water, but it's broken.
What are we going to do to get back
considering there's more people on the boat.
And again, it was the Cypriot mafia that came
to the rescue, which is strange because
people are shocked.
When I tell you that these organized
crime elements, these underground networks
work alongside me.
They work better for me than what the actual
forum is do, because they actually care about the.
And we know who those organizations are
and they're the ones that we go after.
But when it comes to like cigarette smugglers
or your different types of organized crime and
all that, that they're, they're big on kids.
That really aren't, the Cypress is very
family-orientated as well.
So that worked massively and they drove a
boat out into the middle of the meds.
So they stayed in the middle of the
Mediterranean on the secret side of
international waters.
We got to that point.
And then they picked us up from that, took
us back to Cyprus.
And then we got the kid in the mobile home.
That was my first introduction to something
that I've never done in my entire life before.
And I was like, Ooh, this is all of this.
This is crazy.
So the book's called angel in the shadows.
And if people want to get that book,
he's at a, just through your website.
Yeah.
So, um, we've got it going through the
publishers website.
We've got it on amazon.co.uk.
And currently we're looking at again on
Amazon in America.
So there'll be amazon.com.
It's not there yet.
Um, the other night we sold two nights ago.
Now we sold out on hardback copies and
currently this paperback coffee, coffee is a it's
available for pre-orders.
So I'm still waiting on the date for that
to actually come out, but we can get it
on pre-orders now.
Um, we can put the links up as well, and I want
to get there on there.
So there's loads, loads of wasted.
So how much of this job is client management and
strategy planning, the operation planning the
recovery, as opposed to the, the actual recovery.
I would say that the recovery side of things
is probably one of the easiest parts of
the entire operation, managing clients.
It's, it's a, it's a massive thing.
Um, we have to do everything that we can to
continuously keep on top of them because we have
to teach them and train them on certain things.
We have to be able to, um, control them
mentally so they can actually stay calm in
the right situations.
We have to be able to teach them to, uh, about
operational security for starters, because
they always want to pass news by home.
Things like time management is key to
success because the minute that someone
starts letting things slip and there's
information going across electronic communications
on, on what we are doing and how we're going
to go about it, then the mission is over.
It's it's, it's not vulnerable anymore.
Um, the planet of the operation is.
All the time, every single minute, every
single day, you're thinking of something
you're testing.
Um, we plan things into the details because
obviously the majority of stuff we do is very
covert and the only time.
And if anyone knows that we've been anywhere
near those sort of areas is at the time
of the operation.
You got to have your cover stories in place.
You've got to build your cover stories
to make sure that it depends on what
situation you were about to get yourself into.
You have to step up and take the risks to get
the information you need.
Um, as an example, some of the operations I've
done, um, I've got myself arrested or detained on
purpose on a border of two countries purposely
to find out what assets that they had now to do
that without anything coming back on me, I
had to set up a cover story for two weeks and
then that cover story had to be solid and
obviously nothing true in any way whatsoever
about why are you there?
And then I'd actually go in, commit to
this, get myself detained on the border.
They would then hold me higher to look
into all of the laws, the regulations,
what can they do?
How can this go?
What should I expect?
Things like this.
I got detained.
They questioned me for an hour.
They checked out my cover story.
That question then before.
Information about them entire operation on the
border for the whole of the country, because they
gave me free range to go to the smoking area.
So I stand that the smoking area shown
the soldiers because soldiers are soldiers
and they love to talk about war stories.
I would show them pictures of war, talk
to them about Iraq, things like this.
They would try to buy my phone, stuff like that.
And then bit by bit, you build that trust
in a very short period of time and get
all the information that you need.
So there's things like that, that you've done.
And then, uh, as an example, there's the
dangerous risks that the really dangerous ones,
um, the last operation I was working on, for
example, for seven days, nobody knew where I was.
That was my own choice because I didn't want
to give out anything electronically
and announce where I was going.
So I was going into an area that is monitored
massively for commons.
Um, and at the same time as that, I needed to
work with underground networks and figure out
a way to get out of a certain country across
the border illegally.
Or should I say, or should I say
alternatively?
Um, I like that.
So I was, uh, I was on the, I was on this board
and I drove for two days, um, solid, straight
one-off as a miles when I got into this location.
I got picked up from a certain area, taken
out of my car, put into another cloud,
driven for an hour.
No idea what was going on.
Then I got taken out of that car, all of my
electronics, all of my equipment, everything
that I had on me, it was put out or taken out off
me, put into another car.
I was on driven for another hour, I guess,
about three o'clock in the morning.
And we ended up pulling up into this
clearing in the middle of no man's land
between two countries.
And this is a clear when you purposely
designed for smuggling on this board are in
no man's land and I've got, I'm surrounded by
people just silhouettes all around me.
And I've got one guy standing in front of
me and he's just gazing how much he can trust me
for what the operation is that I wanted to do.
And if we had the money and it was
chaotic because that day there that's when
I was like, uh, yeah, you boys might want to
start tracking me now.
I might be getting into something here.
So once I did that, I'll get back.
And then, uh, Things started to
work swimmingly.
So that in itself is a situation where I have
to discipline if they didn't trust me on that
day, that's it I'm gone.
Um, I always describe it as the fact that
whenever I was working away contracts and
whenever I was in the military, the message
was always waiting for that phone call to
tell her button news.
Now she doesn't wait for that phone call.
She waits for the day that she doesn't
hear anything.
It's literally, once she knows we've got ways
of communicating, but when she doesn't hear
anything for a period of time, that's when
she knows it's done.
And there's no fundamental to that.
That's how that's how dangerous it is.
And they're the risks that we take to go
to those extra, extra elements of being able to
make sure we do it, which you won't find them.
Many of the companies that are out there,
unfortunately.
She thinks I'm not, she supports me 100%.
She supports me all of the way she's
been through, been through this since
day one with me.
And obviously she's been through my contract
in days out in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Um, she knows, she knows what I'm capable of.
She knows how I am and how passionate
I am about this.
Um, because of the thing that I will always will
always remind me of what I'm doing, this
is that question who else is going to do it?
Every case that I take on, I consider
it as my own children.
What would I do if it was my own children
and because of my experiences and because
of the life path that I've taken, um, I go to
those extreme elements every single time.
If you take a family that's just gone
for a normal life.
They have no idea what they're capable
of to be able to get these children back.
And right, the phone call to the police will always
lead into disappointment.
If they've gone and they've got no lead
once they lose that last lead, then that's it.
It's done.
And the majority of the time that leads
to a chain of phone calls from the police,
from one district to another district
or another district.
And if it's international it's to another country
and through their districts, and it's a
chain of phone calls I've been waiting for,
but no one is physically looking and that's,
what's always bothered me because if you start
physically looking, I've always said, if you
look for something, you always going to find it.
No matter what, if you look into a relationship,
you're looking for a problem, you're going
to find a problem.
If you're looking into your finances and you
think that they're solid and you look
into it, you're going to find a problem.
There's always, you will always find the
source of that problem.
If you look, and that's what I've
always been solid for.
So, I mean, my boy, he understands what I do.
Um, I mean, as a teenage boy, so you
can imagine why he thinks my daughter,
hasn't got a clue.
What I do see literally thinks I worked in an
airport because one, she sees me go on, go
to an airport once he picks me up and she picks
me up from an airport
and she's, uh, she definitely keeps my
head start as well.
Well, the one you're talking about six
months in $140,000 or so that the, uh, the
client was in for it.
And, and buddy says, that's it, I'm out.
I quit.
And you come on board.
Like, that's, that's a lot of money that
a lot of people just don't have kicking
around and you've taken a very unique approach
to a child recovery.
And your, from what I understand, you're
looking at crowdsourcing international
child recovery.
That's I haven't heard of that being done before.
Is this the first time have you heard of this?
It hasn't been done before.
Um, I, it is very difficult to get
them without a doubt.
And what I can tell you is that it works when
we get the donations and why, so working
for that company and seeing how much money
comes from that company actually took the money
that actually went on to the operations.
No, Was the amount of money that they paid.
The majority of that money went into the owner
of that company's pocket.
So these companies, there's a lot of
companies that are out there and there's even
more popping up now.
And what I've found is that I slightly working
for that company, I till kind of case, um, it
was a parent abduction.
Um, the girl reached that age where she could
decide where she wanted to live, which may not
behave the documents, all of the court
documents for custody.
All of that became non-employed because now
the girl has a decision under herself and she
has a legal rights to make her own decision.
So I went back to the owner of the company
and I sold the owner of the company of the case,
going to be completed for these reasons.
And this is what's happened.
And then I witnessed him have a meeting
with that client and he took a number
30,000 off that client.
And then didn't tell that client for a couple
of months that they couldn't do the case.
I saw that happen.
And I was like, what is going on here?
Obviously having discussions and all that
sort of stuff, he said, he's going to work on it.
I knew that he wasn't going to work on it.
I ended up bailing from that company.
So it started freelancing when I started
freelancing, what I realized, because I
started speaking to a lot of companies are in
the industry and, uh, and all of these companies
aren't figured out.
Who they were from working for that
original company, because they all connected
in some sort of way.
And it's a weird, um, and I'm going to use
the reference of tiger king scenario because
I've been watching tiger king and again,
in the aspects of how fucked up everything
is, um, the company I was working for, all
of these companies, they hate each other.
There's another company that's out there that
was massively against every single person and
his marketing scheme is to basically slander
everybody else off.
Um, another company when I was in Lebanon, which
I found out while I was in Lebanon, was trying
to go against everything that I was doing and
trying to fuck up the operation because he
didn't get the case.
So he's not in it for the kids and he didn't
get the money out of it.
And because he didn't get the money, he wanted to
destroy the operation, then turn around and say
that this company that I was actually working for.
Was it bad company.
And that's the sort of mentality state dealing
with these people.
They charge anywhere between 50 to
$150,000 or pounds or euros, depending
on where you from.
They sell you the world.
They sell themselves as SF companies,
special forces, units, and all that.
None of them, not one of them has ever been
in special forces.
Not one of them has ever done very long
in the military.
Not not one of them has ever been in combat
operations overseas.
Not one of them.
I know this from that history because I got to
know them over the years, they sell you the world.
We can do this.
We can do that.
You're vulnerable parents.
You've just lost your children.
You're willing to do anything it takes to
get your children back.
Right.
I need this money.
I can't work without this money.
You need to pay this much up front or whatever.
And then basically you will go and then re
mortgage your house or sell your house,
sell all the assets that you've got.
You'll take out massive loans.
Whether that'd be from family, whether that'd
be from banks, you will do everything you can to
raise that cash, thinking that you're going to get
your kid back, having that cash over, you won't
even get a photograph.
You won't even get a report.
You won't get any, you literally get phone
calls or emails that I can't tell you right
now, because we work on the operation,
blah, blah, blah.
And then at the end of it, they'll be like,
what would utilize all of the money.
Now either pay us more money or do the
operations over there.
You see the pattern of what happened.
That's what happened in Lebanon when
the guy quit.
So all of that combined together made me
realize how screwed up this industry is.
It's not professional.
That don't have professional units that
are not professional soldiers and the ripping
people off left, right.
And center.
And it bothered me so fucking much.
It's about two, five and 50.
And I came up with the concepts and the
concept, then I can't stand this anymore.
Seeing this happening, they're taking cases on,
I'm not getting cases.
And the reason I wanted to take these cases on
was to make sure that they get a professional
service cheapest.
Fuck, because I know for a fact, if you spend,
if you tell me that it's going to cost 50 grand,
I've done cases before, where I've lived on the
streets for two weeks, I've done cases where
I've lived in a car and I'm upset a few of the
locals by washing myself and one of their mountain
front ends whilst they're drunk and drive.
So you can imagine what I was doing that cost
me a couple of grants.
Um, I say that the average case that we
call we charge for now or not charge for the
average cost of the case that we take on
now is about 30,000.
Because now we go power assets.
Now we push out professional units,
we push out backup systems and all this
sort of stuff to a certain extent.
We're not at the stage where we can go
as far as I want to, but we are at a stage
where we can monitor each other at least.
But, um, I digress.
They, uh, they started that.
I decided that I wanted to set it up and do
everything I can to raise money for these
families, um, and provide the cheapest
possible service.
If I can raise 10 grand and they pay five brands,
then obviously we're in a better situation
than anybody else.
Plus, I'm going to be able to do what I have
to do with a very cheap service as well, but they
get the most professional service out there.
And, uh, the concept was there for a long time.
In 2017, April the 27th, 2017, a young girl was
kidnapped from Cyprus.
I was in Afghanistan at.
Because what happened before?
Um, before last year I would be in Afghanistan
or Iraq and then I'd get a case and then I'll
come home and do that case whilst I'm on leave.
And then I'll go back to Afghanistan or Iraq.
And in the aspect of doing that, what I've
found is that cases will come in, but
then they'd have to wait for a long time
before I can get home.
Um, I also found that I wasn't spending any time.
My family are, which is why last
year that was it.
I called it all off and I went full time
into child with a way to make this work.
Right.
So, uh, April the 27th child goes
missing from Cyprus I'm in Afghanistan.
I read it on the newspaper.
This is a case that I've read about
before, because this was the second
attempt of kidnapping.
This kill one of these companies
kidnapped the prime.
The prime company that's out there is ripping
families off saying that they recover children
kidnapped this trial.
Yeah.
It's fucking Madden.
As far as they were looking over on the
Northern side of Cyprus, I read the article within
minutes of reading the article, or instantly as
reading the article as I'm reading it, I knew
who did it and where they'd gone, because
I know that tactics are how they operate.
So I started to gain sense through the family
and reaching out to the Facebook groups.
And I have a, obviously who's working in
Afghanistan is reaching out and
just go up enough.
Same then not that you have to do something and
look here because this is what's happening.
It took me a while to get my message.
But once I got out of Afghanistan, April the
27th, and then at the end of June, I'll get
out of Afghanistan.
I get back to Cyprus and I met the family.
When the family met me, then knew that
I was fucking solid.
Everything that I told him was confirmed because
we've got the financial records through another
firm like that, to show that payment had been
made to that company.
And within an hour of talking to that family,
they sent me information.
I got straight on the plane within an hour,
and then I flew over to Turkey when I was into.
Obviously I was chasing this company down.
Now this is some finance that's never
been done before.
This is a case of chasing the company, a
professional company, but having professionals
chase them, change the game a lot because I
got to the point first time that I went to,
I tore that down to pieces of in 24 hours.
No one had heard anything about this
kid, um, and where this kid had gone to.
Prior to me going into this village, I
tore that town apart for CCTV footage.
I got photographs from the locals.
I got pictures of the house that they
was used in the car that they was using.
I got C's in the CCTV footage and I'm actually
making a video about this and the mum with my page
on account, you see that the girls had a haircut.
Um, the pictures you could see with her
body language with a black turns and it was
a, it was a father.
Her father kidnapped her, but the way
that it was done, the company did this.
Was that two masked men grabbed the child, pushed
to the, uh, the mother to the ground, outside the
nursery, fro into a car.
The car van drove for 20, 30 minutes, 40
minutes stopped at the border, handed the child
over to a taxi driver, the taxi driver then
for across the border.
And then when she got across the border,
she met a bloke who is a father that she
didn't know because she hasn't seen him since
he was a week old.
So it was a complete stranger and all
of that trauma to actually be stuck with
a complete stranger.
So a lot of people talk about this and yeah,
but the mother kidnapped her first and all that.
That's not the case.
You don't know the details of
the actual story.
The mother had never, ever
kidnapped that trial.
There was no court records that note
no history of anything like that.
This was a solid case of kidnapping.
So Saul goes through all of that.
So the first time I go, until we get all the CCTV
footage, the photographs and everything like this,
and it was pretty nuts.
Um, I had the Muller and the whole village,
like rioting to get me out of that village, by
the time I'd finished.
And I was standing there by myself, no backup,
nothing, no money, or that was a car.
And, uh, and I'm saying, yeah, I'm not going to
go until you give me if you're not an eight.
They gave me everything that I needed.
And it was amazing.
I got some good friends in that village now.
Like they actually be friends with
me after that.
I used to go up there quite on a regular basis
and actually get food and stuff like this in
the area, long story short on S but the
chase took me from one town to another town
and I get to one time.
And among this massive marina.
And I saw the owner of that company who
kidnapped the kid doing really, really shit.
Like as if he was like,
I had gone my God,
how much of this is a poker game?
Would he get into it?
Like how much of this is like, obviously
it's a poker game where you're actually going
to have to throw down if you have to, but
the preferred outcome would be to not do.
Yeah.
Um, I've never thrown down.
Uh, I'll never give up.
Um, it's all about poker.
It's a little about playing the shots.
So for example, when I was over in Turkey, one
thing I found because I was working for
myself by myself and I had no money and no
budget to do anything.
So I was alone and I had to keep chasing leads.
Um, I recruited the Turkish police
by accident.
Have you recruited by accident?
Yeah, they made an assumption.
And one thing I believe is that assumption is I'm
a rule fuck-ups anyway.
So I go into this town and I'm doing
surveillance on certain things.
There's one in particular that I
got a feeling about.
It's a sailboat.
I got a particular feeling about it.
The flag on it, the where it is the way
that it's parked.
Um, I've had information about this town.
It's got to be that boat as I'm
checking that book.
I get cold.
Uh, the police that called on me for
looking suspicious.
I had a red notice on the yellow notice
from Interpol.
So the red note is, is a wanted notice
and international, um, warrant of arrest
because this person is wanted for these charges.
And the yellow notice is for the child say
that the child is missing and that child
has gone missing under these circumstances.
Um, well add them on me on my phone.
So when they please took me into ask me,
I was doing everything through Google translate,
which is fantastic.
And I kept saying Interpol, integral,
integral, integral, and showing them these
Interpol warrants.
Um, I need to find this guy, this guy
is in this town 100%.
This has happened.
And this is about the father and the trial.
This is what's going on.
I was in there for an hour.
They decided that they wanted to
drive me around.
This is definitely a long story short because I
ended up in a different town afterwards.
They got covert surveillance teams or
how was this for me?
And it was just, it was just crazy how
much they literally wanted to work with me.
Um, once I was in this, uh, in this marina,
the guy walks past me.
I'm standing outside on a cigarette, waiting
for the gentleman to come outside.
Jasmine is the Marine police.
They're going to take me around in the car to
introduce me to people.
They've got connections to connections,
to connections.
And this is the underground networks
I'm talking about.
Do you want to find it underground?
That wound no matter where you go always
go to a marina, you'll always find
them 100% guaranteed.
I believe it, it works.
I'm standing outside and I'm a cigarette.
And I see this guy walk past me and I'm
looking at this guy.
Doesn't know who the fuck it is, but I'm like,
why do I recognize it?
And he looks at me and does that little
glimpse of my content.
And I'm there thinking, uh, alarm
bells are going off.
Something's not right.
Yeah.
I know that low.
Why do I know that bloke didn't have a clue?
It was at the time that I've spoken to him
before never even looked into it or anything.
Okay.
Walks past me.
And then it was like one of those moments, there's
a shop on the left side and it was one of those,
it's something that I would never do, but it's
one of those obvious moments where it's
like, oh, look at this.
This is very interesting.
And then he walks over to this shop.
So what do you realize is seriously
when he realizes that at the shop?
He can't really get, cause he's like now
straight down the line with me from
where I'm standing.
So it doesn't really have a good angle to see me
or to see what I'm up to to see what's going on
or anything like that.
Um, so across the way this table is right on
the, on, on the wall for this tables and chairs
for the restaurants and stuff, Um, and there's
a, there's a menu on the board, you know,
like when you went to the outside areas of
the restaurant, they got the menu, the board man,
you go inside and it was exactly the same thing.
Again.
What is that?
It's the over-exaggeration that
brought alarms to me.
Um, and you can see is the standard man.
It's like looking over like this and
looking over like that.
And I thought, fuck it.
I know for a fact that something is wrong
and that is the worst drills I've ever seen
in my entire life.
Yeah.
So that was, I needed straight away to know
that this guy was actually in that area.
Um, well, anyway, that case in itself ended up
with a situation where they managed to get
on their boat and they managed to get out, even
though I was going after the coast guard and I
was getting a Marine and managers involved and
all this sort of stuff, they managed to get
away and they managed to get about to Norway.
And when they go back to Norway, because
of everything that we put in place, first of
all, Stopped them from being able to sell.
And actually by that time, they had to rush
into everything because they didn't have a
solid plan in itself.
Secondly, we got their bank accounts frozen.
Um, we got all the legal sides in Norway and in
Cyprus on our sides.
So the minute, and we have international
restaurants at, for him, he couldn't leave any
country legally with that child, no matter what.
So he would have been stuck in Turkey
if he didn't sneak out on a boat.
Um, and we put so much pressure onto
him that he had to hand that to our back.
As soon as he got into Norway, the minute
that he touched ground.
And so it was a long period of time.
It was a long period of time waiting for them
to actually get from Turkey over to Norway.
But the minute that they got into Norway, it was
game over, straight away.
And that was all because of the pressure
that we put on.
And that was my first case taking
my company life.
And that's my introduction to all of
these other companies.
When they, when I was trying to unify and
actually get them to work together, then they
saw that I was going out by myself and chasing.
That's when they start to realize that they're
going to have problems.
So
knowing what you know now, oh, sorry, go on.
So that's a long way around to tell you about
what I'm doing now.
Well, knowing what you know now, would
you turn around and do things differently.
If you could tell the younger you are there
things that you'd look at and say, okay, this
is absolutely wrong.
The right way we should approach it is ABC.
Yeah.
Why would you say different, but there's
loads of things I'll do different.
Um, for example, um, on that Turkey case in
itself, first of all, I would have been more
operators with me and I would have pushed from
money on that case.
Um, I was trying to prove that I could
do it for free.
I was foolish to do that.
Um, there were leads that I had to follow, which
took me away from leads that were following,
which was solid taking me to leads that were
being pushed our way purposely to get me away
from the distractions.
I had more manpower.
I could have pushed out there, but the whole
process of everything that I've gone through
in the learning curve, from the very first case,
all the way through to now, don't forget that
first case is nearly a decade ago now.
Eh, th th this in so much learning curve,
we've developed formulas, we've developed systems.
We've developed our support networks
with developed after care networks.
Um, the situation that we're in is
solid right now, and all of our operations
are solid in the way that we're actually
operating because our network is fast.
Um, and it's worldwide, um, with gathering the
support from the public, with raising funds from
the public now, which we'll talk about now,
um, this, this, this helps us massively
because one of the biggest hindrances that
we've got is finances, lack of finances.
Um, I want to provide a free service to
every family out there.
There isn't a family in this world that should go
without having somebody physically looking for
their child when their child goes missing.
Right now, the majority of children that are
out there that have gone missing, and you've
got to understand these sort of numbers, right?
8 million children, every single year go
missing worldwide.
And America itself would say under 1200
and 50,000 children that reported missing
every single again, at least a third of them
disappear for good.
And the UK alone is 137 to 240,000 children.
And at least 10% of those children never
found Australia and 20,000, um, Germany,
a hundred thousand.
This is for countries that I'm giving you
statistics for and worldwide, it goes
up to 8 million.
No, one's looking for those kids.
How scary is that?
Well, you've likened it before.
I remember you saying it's like a homeless
person in the streets and people walk by this
person in the street and think nothing of it,
because they've never been in that situation.
What, what would you tell a parent or somebody
that would help them?
Well, I guess twofold would help prepare them.
Should they find themselves in a situation
and maybe kind of open their eyes to, um, uh,
the possibility that they could possibly find
themselves in this city?
Yeah, I think the key to any finish, you
find yourself in a situation that already
too late, unfortunately.
Right.
Um, and that's not too late to do anything
about it because that's what we're here for.
Um, get into towards that situation.
There's always elements of planning, majority
of kidnappings or abductions in the world.
Randomly just picked off the streets.
Oh, there's one to take that.
And let's go.
Um, even when it comes to sex trafficking or
slavery trafficking of humans for slavery, which
is a massive industry in the world now, um,
or even if it comes to organ trafficking, it's
not a case of randoms.
There's always an element of planning.
It might not be sophisticated planning,
but there will be an element of planning.
Um, an example would be the Cleo Smith
case, which has recently happened
out in Australia.
Um, she was taken from a com site and then taken
back within a two mile radius of her own house,
which means that that was planned prior to
going into that campsite purposely, which will
give him destruction.
This planet does elements of planet.
So the biggest key that anyone can
do is awareness.
Be aware of your surroundings, be
aware of what is happening around you.
Be aware of faces that you're starting to see
on a regular basis.
Be aware of setting patterns.
If you go to school, go different ways.
Every single day, you don't have to
go at the same time.
You don't have to go the same way and
things like this.
Um, just be aware if you walk them with your kid,
don't stand on the, on the, on the don't let
the child stand on the side for the road or we
stand on the roadside.
So therefore there's someone between the
road and so on between the kids educate the
kids about school.
If they're at school, never, ever go to a
teacher outside of the school, to their
car, to actually help them on something,
you will always go inside the school.
The teacher should never ask your
children to do that.
And I use that as an example, because two kids
were kidnapped in Cyprus and luckily the police
found them very quickly.
Well, it was at the position where they'd
already been intoxicated or something, and they
was unconscious and the guy was very living,
very close to the school, found a CCTV
funded, but it's things like that that kids
need to be educated on it's things like that.
The families need to be educated on.
Um, and that leads to the point of not happening
in the first place.
When we work in cultural texts and
risk management.
We don't work in close with texting because we
are the guys that throw out bodies in front
of the target spot in front of our client's
body to protect them.
If you get to that point, you failed.
That's as simple as it is.
It's all about knocking into that situation.
Read the signs that are around you.
If you read those signs around you and you can
figure out something is about to go down, or
you have a feeling that something is going to go
down because of things that you've seen and
heard, and the Street's gone quiet, for example,
just as an indicator.
That's as simple as it is.
If you end up in that sort of situation, do
the process, go through the full process, but
be open to the service that we provide.
Not enough people know about it at the
moment in the world.
There's a lot of people that click an unsweet
and it's fantastic.
And I reckon that within the next year, there's
going to be a hell of a lot more people that
know about it, but be open to the services,
call the police 100%, call the police.
You don't have to wait to call us if anyone
calls us and we've got the funds or you've
got the funds, then we will respond and
we will do everything as quick as possible.
One of the fastest cases that we've
ever completed, it took us two hours.
There was a girl that was.
And she was groomed to run away, to be
with her groomer for sexual gratification.
From the groomer, her father called us sway, a
mother called the police.
At the same time, we responded by
getting guys on the ground straight away.
They started to move into a location.
We entered the location, that the area of where
they were because we had the home from,
from a while away.
Um, we built up an entire online profile.
We got an address of where she was going
to go up an online profile of the target.
We got all of his criminal record
history with all of his social media accounts.
From his social media accounts.
We saw what type of girls he was targeting, how he
was targeting them, where he was targeting them.
Um, we built all of that off and we got
people out the door within a two hour period
before the police had knocked the door to ask
questions to the mother.
Wow.
The reason we could do that is because we had
a pot of money there.
So I'm trying to provide a free service and the
way that I provide a free service or the concept
of me, how I want to try to provide a free service
is it's, it's probably the most simplistic
concept that there could possibly be 30,000
pounds for an average international case.
I don't know what that translates to
in Canadian dollars.
So you have to go to ecc.com to check it out.
But, um, 30,000 per 30,000 pound, 15,000
people donate in two pounds and 7,500
people donate in four pound, gives us one
international case population planet 7.8
billion price of a cup of coffee averages
about four pounds.
Do the maths, it's all.
It's going to take one cup of coffee, not even
that half a cup of coffee every single month.
All of you donate to that.
We can get international cases.
Million people donate two pounds.
I can put permanent teams in Canada,
Australia, America, South Africa, and mainland.
Um, we can dominate and take the fight
towards the enemy.
Take the fight towards the kidnappers.
Take the fight towards sex traffickers because
you create an, a veteran military force or ex
military force, which is using the skills that
we've been taught over a long career within
the military and private military and private
security industry to actually go out and do
something that's right.
To actually look after our kids.
Cause nobody else's that's, that's literally
the entire concept of what we're doing.
Donations that we take on.
It comes in many forms.
We've got merchandise out there.
So prom proceeds from the merchandise that
goes into, uh, raising funds for general, uh,
from the general public.
We've got the book for sale, um, which
is now for presales on the paperback.
We've got Patriana, which is a monthly
subscription, was given early access
and exclusive access to images, stories,
and access to my mind.
More importantly, because then you get to know
a little bit what's going on inside there.
What's the one operations and obviously there's
the there's, there's the normal stuff of PayPal,
um, uh, crowdfund and for just giving and,
um, Casha we have.
Okay.
But that's, that's the concept of what
we're trying to create.
We have to be able to get to the point where we
create that, that, that will make us successful.
If we create that pot, when we've got that pot,
I get tagged at least 10 to 20 times every single
day in a missing case.
There's that day, that goes by where I don't
have somebody on the phone crying, maybe
because that kid's gone.
There's not a single day.
That goes by.
Even on the weekends, I have tons of calls
about this, really.
If we had that pot and someone called us at
the right time, Right time then, uh, we can
respond to immediately.
So I guess that would open up a little
bit of an ethical quandary as well.
When you talk about the recovery of, of children,
when most of the children are, uh, from
statistically, it it'll be a parental abduction.
Is that, uh, how have you found that?
Yeah, statistically, a lot of our cases
that we've taken in right now, our parents
with deductions, the way that parents are
deductions work, it's very complicated.
It's very difficult.
Um, again, like I say, it's not the only
thing that we take on.
We do take on the love of the things and
we're leading up to a lot bigger things with
our affiliations, but parents are books can
become very complicated.
The first one that we have to analyze straight
away is what's going on?
Why did it happen?
And why are you calling us to do something?
Because you as a parent are over the victim
or you're the cause.
And that sounds really bad to say.
But it's true.
I've had parents get in touch with me and
clear as day on the first initial phone
call within seconds of them talking to me.
I know for a fact that they are recalls,
they are trying to manipulate me.
Um, with that narcissistic ways.
They're trying to do anything that they
can to, or emotionally blackmail me in every
single way possible.
And you can pick up on that with intuition.
You can pick up on that and experience
and talking to people and things like this.
Um, then you get the real side of it and you
get the ones that you literally have to do
the investigations on.
So we take on a case and we look at it and
we're like, all right, this sounds solid.
Let's check it out.
We will check out the case, check all
court documents and court documents.
A lot of details.
Of what's happened, why it's happened?
Um, criminal records, background checks to
check that there's no cause for alarm,
when it comes to the fact, if there's any
charges towards the partner, who's ran
away with the child, whether it'd be from
domestic abuse or, or, or anything like that.
Uh, we then analyze both sides of the family,
extended family, all social media for friends
and family, to see if we can find that from there,
we scour the internet to find out anything that
we can possibly find.
And that's before we even take on a case.
That's fantastic.
Cause I know I would think anybody who's
putting money into the pot would want to have
a bit of an idea of, of how you deal with that
quandary, but that's the most pragmatic way.
Yeah, it has to, it has to be checked out.
We do psychological analysis on the, on
the client as well.
And we figure everything out with that.
And it's all, this is why a lot of people
get in touch with me and they say, oh,
can I have a job?
Um, you can see what sort of levels that you have
to get to, to be able to do a job like this.
It's not something that you can go in the
military and then just walk in the military and
say, I'm going to do this because you don't have
those skills, the skills you don't have that
experience, you don't have those qualifications
to be able to tease those sort of levels,
because there are so many elements that you
have to play in when it comes to the case itself.
When a parent's with duction, for example,
um, there's always a lot of confusion.
First of all, parents live deductions and
not safe abductions.
It's, it's one of the biggest misconceptions
on this entire planet where people believe that
parents are deductions are safe, abductions.
Even the police can categorize parents.
Abductions is going to see productions is wrong.
It's completely wrong.
No matter what at the lowest level
of a parent's love deduction, the child
is going to go through.
Mental abuse or parental alienation that's at
the lowest level, I've seen cases that have
been taken, taken to the extremes where a
parent has kidnapped her own child, or
even a boyfriend has kidnapped the child
of that partner.
And this is one that happened in Romania
very recently.
So very recent case.
It came out about two weeks ago, physically
killed the children and then killed themselves
just to leave a psychological impact
on the parent Muslim.
That's how bad the parents abductions get.
I haven't worked on a parents that duction
case where there hasn't been some sort of
psychological elements involved in it, mental
illness involved into it.
I've had parents that have been frightened
to kill their kids.
If anybody goes near the house, um, uh, physical,
actual, physical violence on the kids recently,
I've had a grandmother that's been poisoning
her own child, which is the mother of the actual
kid and her grandchild, um, just for the
psychological elements of control over them.
Right.
It's a massive misconception to say
that they're safe when it comes to a parents
that addiction and the recovery of, of a child
has been a victim of the parents that duction,
um, a lot of people think that we're kidnapping.
Um, it's always described like that
because there's always another misconception
of how it works.
The cases that we take on the parent that
we're taking it on with the client has
the legal rights to take that child back.
And the reason he has, or she has the legal
rights is because they've gone through
the courts and they've taken on full custody.
They've got the Interpol warrants out, which
is the warrant for arrest, and they've got
the missing, missing a yellow notice, which
has been issued, which gives us international,
um, help from Interpol.
We can literally assistant to assist
us with local authorities to be able
to help us with that.
Sometimes we use them with sometimes.
It depends on what country we're in,
what the situation is outside of that.
And then got the international Hague
convention, which orders an actual, um, uh,
document, uh, a court order to say that the
child has to be returned back to the place of
habitual residence.
Now, with all of that combined, you then have
to get execution orders with inside that country
to execute the order, to return that child
back to that country.
And because of the hate convention.
And as long as that country is part of
the hae, then they will, should, or they
have to in theory, issue that execution.
So when you go through with that execution, this
is where we come into it.
We actually at school and we provide closure to.
This is why we it's important for us to
have a close protection and the medical
background as well.
When you go in for locals protection, we also,
then they have a sense of authority of power
towards the authorities that are around them
because they see that we're there as strange as
it sounds, being British also helps us massively
when we're going into a country, such as a third
world country, they see it and they actually
enforce our orders as their own orders.
It's a psychological element.
It is, there's a lot of nations out there
that subservient and things like that.
And then all of a sudden that sort of
psychological element plays into power as well.
Um, so the parent will always be the one that
picks up that child.
We will never touch that child.
We will never ever do anything to that while
we will only protect them as a client, as a
close protection plan, and we'll give them
preventative protection to make sure that they're
safe to get them out of that country and
return them back to their home country.
And that's the difference in apparent.
We haven't gone after sex traffickers yet.
This is something we're building up to.
And it's like, I've said many times the
more cases that we take on, it's a matter of
time before we walk through a door and we've
got more kids there.
And then that leads us into a completely
different element, which is the element that
we're trying to get to, which is why we create
any affiliations with these large groups, like
our parents for just fair for child rescue
in America as well.
Things like enough,
Jay.
That's fantastic.
You know, I'm, I'm looking at the time here.
Is there anything else that we should be
talking about before we kind of wrap things up?
Um, I mean, I could go on all night.
Hi,
I'm loving this stories and really we could, we
could talk for a while.
I'm just, I'm trying to be conscious
of your time.
Cause I know you've got a family and
how we've scheduled.
This one is in between things here a little bit.
Yeah.
I've got a lot of conferences coming
up tonight as well.
I think the prime things are out there.
I think there's going to be a lot
of questions raised.
Um, and those questions we can always come
back to on different podcasts or we can go
into live on or animal control and join and
ask any questions that you want to.
But, um, I, I think, I think the prime points
are covered on it all.
Um, it's, it's complicated and
it's in depth and I've only, I've only
touched the surface of.
Well angel in the shadows, Jay Jordan
of Pegasus ops.
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Consider it, Jay.
Thank you very much for being on the silver Corp
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I appreciate you having me on man.