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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, today we're talking about the very first substitute teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Jesus is the teacher. He has the substitution for

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<v Speaker 3>our sins. Christ is taking the punishment for our sins. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>Jeff is in India. So today he's Kyle. I'm Chris,

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<v Speaker 3>and we are the Bible guys. So Kyle, always good

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<v Speaker 3>to have you here on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, man.

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<v Speaker 3>And so Kyle works with us at the church that

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<v Speaker 3>we serve at Heritage Church, and he's the connections pastor

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<v Speaker 3>and was in charge of the weekends for years. And

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<v Speaker 3>you've also done a lot of things. And you were

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<v Speaker 3>also over a youth as a youth pastor. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>even before you came to Heritage, you were you were

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<v Speaker 3>a youth pastor.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something that we haven't come We just found

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<v Speaker 1>that out we both were youth pastors for eleven years.

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<v Speaker 3>That we exactly yes, which is pretty cool. So and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm older than you, I've done more adult stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you have old people stuff on your trajectory. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks like that's funny. So here's a good question.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is a good segment for today. So

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<v Speaker 3>as a youth pastor. I've always said to my wife

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<v Speaker 3>that my best memories and my best experiences in ministry

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<v Speaker 3>are with high school students, yes, love or middle school

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes but mostly high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, middle school. So here's the question.

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<v Speaker 3>The question is tell us one of your most memorable

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<v Speaker 3>moments or experiences that you've had working with teenagers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know this, Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody who's done ministry for a minute knows that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can have a program like a Wednesday Night or

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday night or whatever it may be, and those are

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<v Speaker 1>all great, but it's not until you get away on

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<v Speaker 1>a retreat or a camp or a missions trip. Just

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<v Speaker 1>because you you know that one hour each week or

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<v Speaker 1>two hours each week, doesn't, you know, compare it to

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<v Speaker 1>that week long time together or a weekend. But I

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<v Speaker 1>remember when I first felt called in a ministry. It

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<v Speaker 1>was two thousand and eight and I was on a

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<v Speaker 1>missions trip in West Virginia. I was volunteering. They're part

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<v Speaker 1>of a church nearby, and I was volunteering as a leader.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was there that I felt called into ministry

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<v Speaker 1>like I really had. And this only happened like twice

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<v Speaker 1>in my life where I felt like God was like

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<v Speaker 1>do this, Like it was very clear, Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be on this trip and it was totally

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<v Speaker 1>like one to eighty from what I was currently following

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<v Speaker 1>or planning for my life. And so when that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just kind of a marking moment for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything kind of changed. I went into ministry, you got

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<v Speaker 1>my degree in Biblical studies, all that stuff, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had the privilege maybe like five or six years ago

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to that same location, that same spot,

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<v Speaker 1>that same mission trip with a group of students after

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<v Speaker 1>God had kind of like, you know, kind of fulfilled

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<v Speaker 1>this promise to me, he said, don't do this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it had been like eight years prior or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, and they got the chance to go

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<v Speaker 1>back and just people to experience that with the students,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I could.

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<v Speaker 2>Share that with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the students they don't care as much,

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<v Speaker 1>but for me as a pastor, I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the my favorite moments. You will go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the place where God kind of called me

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<v Speaker 1>into ministry and experience that with students and bring them there,

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<v Speaker 1>see them grow in their faith, serve all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a significant moment.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember speaking at a camp that I surrendered at

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<v Speaker 3>as well, and I went back years later as the

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<v Speaker 3>guest speak and it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty wild. Yes, and it's cool. It was

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<v Speaker 2>even my home church. Such a cool God thing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And God does that.

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<v Speaker 3>God brings stuff around, you know, and he brings a

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<v Speaker 3>full circle and it's extremely cool.

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<v Speaker 1>In ways that you don't even realize in the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, wow, this be really cool. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a super emotional, but like being there in that moment

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<v Speaker 1>and just knowing, like wow, all these memories that I've

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<v Speaker 1>experienced up to that point and when I'm about to

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<v Speaker 1>experience in life, like God was preparing me back then

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of say yes and step on face. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. But today we're actually reading. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>segue to the Bible portion of today reading Romans chapter three,

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<v Speaker 1>and so if you have a physical Bible or you

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<v Speaker 1>want to open up your Bible app that's great. And

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<v Speaker 1>if not, if you're watching and watching us and like

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this live, you will see the verses on the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're starting off in verse twenty one, Romans, Chapter three,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is from the NLT version, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>like Chris was saying, this is Jesus taking on our punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>It says this, but now God has shown us a

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<v Speaker 1>way to be made right with Him without keeping the

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<v Speaker 1>requirements of the law, as was promised in the ightings

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<v Speaker 1>of Moses and the prophets long ago. We are made

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<v Speaker 1>right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>who we are. This next verse, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a part of the Romans road that if you

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard that saying, But this next verse twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>says this, for everyone has sinned. We all fall short

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<v Speaker 1>of God's glorious standard. Yet God, in his grace, freely

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<v Speaker 1>makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>when he freed us from the penalty of our sins.

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<v Speaker 1>For God presented Jesus as a sacrifice for sin. People

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<v Speaker 1>are made right with God when they believe that Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificed his life shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that

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<v Speaker 1>God was being fair when he held back and did

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<v Speaker 1>not punish those who sinned in times past, for he

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<v Speaker 1>was looking ahead and including them in what he would

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<v Speaker 1>do in his present time. In this present time, God

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<v Speaker 1>did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is

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<v Speaker 1>fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his

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<v Speaker 1>sight when they believe in Jesus. And then it says,

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<v Speaker 1>be accepted by God? No, because our quiddal is not

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<v Speaker 1>based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are made right with God through faith and

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<v Speaker 1>not by obeying the law. After all, is God the

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<v Speaker 1>God of the Jews only? Isn't he also the God

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<v Speaker 1>of the Gentiles?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course he is.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only one God, and he makes people right with

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<v Speaker 1>himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>then if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we

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<v Speaker 1>can forget about the law? Of course not. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, jump right into it. So it's important to

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<v Speaker 2>know the context first of all for our listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're jumping in right at this moment, we're sort

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<v Speaker 3>of walking through the Book of Acts. Really, that's what

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<v Speaker 3>the series is, and the Book of Acts is right

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<v Speaker 3>after the Gospels, after Jesus had left the earth and Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>It basically you know, goes through Paul's life and so

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<v Speaker 3>chronologically were walking through the Book of Acts and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then everywhere throughout Paul's life.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you want on a missionary journey or decided

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<v Speaker 3>to write a letter that became a part of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>We sort of branch off and we are you know, writing.

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<v Speaker 3>So just to keep in mind in chronology, in the chronology,

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<v Speaker 3>Paul had just finished up his third missionary journey and

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<v Speaker 3>he has not yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Been to Rome.

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<v Speaker 3>So this letter serves as an introduction for himself as

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<v Speaker 3>well as laying out the theology of a church that

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<v Speaker 3>he has not yet been to or started. Now, you

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<v Speaker 3>know that Paul started so many churches, and oftentimes he.

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<v Speaker 2>Would visit, like for instance, Ephesus.

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<v Speaker 3>He would start a church and then he would leave

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<v Speaker 3>and then he would write back to that church and

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<v Speaker 3>it would be you know, people that he's familiar with.

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<v Speaker 3>But in this case, there's a church that started in Rome.

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<v Speaker 3>It's mostly Jews, but also you know, acquired some gentiles,

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<v Speaker 3>because he refers to those which are basically anybody who's

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<v Speaker 3>and and and actually he's in Corinth right now, about

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<v Speaker 3>to go to Jerusalem. Actually, and he's writing to Rome

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<v Speaker 3>and he's basically hoping to go there on his way

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<v Speaker 3>to Spain. So so anyway, so he has somebody writing

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<v Speaker 3>for him. He has a you know, a dictator, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who's copying this down. I don't I don't remember

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<v Speaker 3>that guy's name, but I know it. It's bothering me.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna go ahead and say it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>Tedious, turtious, turious, and so anyway, so that's that's where

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Also, the writing that he puts together, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of sounds like something Paul would say, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So he must have been doing a pretty good job.

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<v Speaker 1>Even this chapter here, just the way asks the question.

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<v Speaker 3>So so really, yeah, these these ten verses talk about

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<v Speaker 3>Christ taking our punishment, and I here's what.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, is obviously the most famous, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most famous verses in all the Bible, for all

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<v Speaker 3>for everyone is sinned, and we all fall short of

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<v Speaker 3>God's glorious standard. And that means it translates into missing

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<v Speaker 3>Another version says, we all fall short of God's glory.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that that's first of all, something that

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<v Speaker 3>we have to understand, because after all, up to this point,

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<v Speaker 2>Mindset that the Jewish.

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<v Speaker 3>a Jewish God, the God of Israel, and this God

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<v Speaker 3>is a god of laws. And all the way through

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<v Speaker 3>the Book of Romans, Paul refers to the laws, and

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes he's referring to you know, actually you can understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes he's referring to the interaction with one another, right,

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<v Speaker 3>the laws of the ten Commandments and the six hundred

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<v Speaker 3>chapter twenty. You know, two hundred and forty eight thous

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<v Speaker 2>And what he's saying is is like.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though you may have heard that, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>by obeying these laws of this God that is what

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<v Speaker 3>righteousness because we fall short. The law helps us, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>interesting is a lot of our listeners are listening because

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<v Speaker 2>For a while.

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<v Speaker 3>But we all need to understand and it's actually a

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<v Speaker 3>reminder that, like when you walk in, for instance, through

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<v Speaker 1>You're representing it, right, It's the sweatshirt I wear like

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<v Speaker 1>every fourth podcast. I wanted to try to match Chris today,

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<v Speaker 3>to understand that, like the church service isn't just made

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<v Speaker 3>who have who this is brand new news for them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's their very first day. They're far from God. They

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<v Speaker 3>know about the things of God, but they don't quite

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<v Speaker 3>understand the truth. And so but now means you know,

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of your church background or how you've been raised. Heck,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not too much to ask or even think that

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<v Speaker 3>there's somebody on this podcast today who's listening, maybe even

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<v Speaker 3>in another country, who's hearing this for the very first time.

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<v Speaker 2>And we take this for granted.

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<v Speaker 3>All the time, and we just assume this is old

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<v Speaker 3>may be somebody listening right now who who's like, this

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<v Speaker 2>Get to heaven by yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>That the law of the Old Testament was not given

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<v Speaker 3>to give us righteousness because all of us have sinned,

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<v Speaker 3>and we missed God's standard, we missed the mark, We've

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<v Speaker 3>gone astray, we fall short, he's saying, But now you

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<v Speaker 3>have to understand that Jesus took on our sin, he

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<v Speaker 3>took on our punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>And and by the way, there was a phrase.

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<v Speaker 3>and the Life Application Bible says, just because grace is there,

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<v Speaker 3>Saying, yes, it doesn't make sin any less serious, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, piggyback off something you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>There he said the butt now, and it's just this

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<v Speaker 1>to verse twenty three, right, so that's the popular for

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<v Speaker 1>of interesting insight Chris. It says this as like a footnote.

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<v Speaker 1>It says, most religions prescribe specific duties that must be

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<v Speaker 1>good deeds we do will not make us write with God.

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<v Speaker 1>No amount of human achievement or progress progress in person

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<v Speaker 1>development will close the gap between God's moral perfection and

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<v Speaker 1>our imperfect daily performance. Good deeds are important, but they

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<v Speaker 1>will not earn us eternal life. We are saved only

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<v Speaker 1>by trusting what God has done for us. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>for those of us who have been Christians for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>we get that. But have you seen that with other

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what other religions or what other types of

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about other religions on it. I'm sure we can, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's it's really interesting actually, because there are definitely

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<v Speaker 3>that all all past lead to God. That you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and they asked the question, they say, don't all religions

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, clearly, not as the fact that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>What they want to believe? Why can't we just let

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<v Speaker 3>Like why do we have to bother people by saying

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<v Speaker 3>that there is a creator, right, which is like sort

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<v Speaker 3>of all world religions or I should say most world religions, right,

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<v Speaker 3>never do that. And here's the reason why. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>simply simply this. Because Christianity is an event and it

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<v Speaker 3>And it stuck with me because and actually I heard

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus come down and actually pay the price, pay the ticket.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know the reason why Christianity is not narrow minded.

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<v Speaker 3>People would say, well, wait a minute, it is so

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<v Speaker 3>minded than that. But if you think about it this way,

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<v Speaker 3>in the exact same way, and everybody's invited.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and that is only true in Christianity.

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<v Speaker 3>And so if you think about it, it's like where

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<v Speaker 3>else can every single person who hears about it meet.

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<v Speaker 2>The requirements that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, everybody's invited, everybody gets in the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was even Abduh Murray, who I know. We've

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed your friends with them, and I know him as well.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a saying or a quote. Now I'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>butcher it, but he basically talks about how like, Christianity's

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<v Speaker 1>the only religion where you have the greatest being, being

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<v Speaker 1>God showing the greatest virtue, which is love. And by

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<v Speaker 1>showing the greatest virtue, he did it in the most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful way possibly, and the greatest way you can show

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<v Speaker 1>your love is by dying for somebody else. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have the greatest being, the greatest virtue, and

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest way of actually showing your love to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You have those that three and one, and that's really

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus kind of dying on the cross for us.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>That reminds me is In nineteen ninety six, the year

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<v Speaker 3>that the Olympics came to Atlanta, I was living in

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<v Speaker 3>Atlanta at the time, and Billy Graham had come to

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<v Speaker 3>the Georgia Dome and he actually DC talk opened for

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<v Speaker 3>him and it was a Billy Graham crusade, and there

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<v Speaker 3>were sixty thousand people in this Georgia Dome, and he

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<v Speaker 3>gave the gospel, and his whole message was one verse

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<v Speaker 3>John three sixteen, and Billy Graham says, and he basically

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<v Speaker 3>he says, he goes full. Oh God, the greatest being,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, so loved the greatest motive, you know, the world,

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest audience, you know, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, so he gave the greatest gift, you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And anyway, he just went down.

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<v Speaker 3>He just took it phrase by phrase and talked about

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<v Speaker 3>how it was the greatest and uh. Anyway, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just sitting there thinking to myself, Okay, I've been in

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<v Speaker 3>ministry for like, you know, fifteen years at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>or ten years, whatever it was, and I remember thinking like, is.

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<v Speaker 2>This really going to do it? Yeah, like sixty thousand people,

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<v Speaker 2>you get one verse and.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, he said, he says, come on up, come on up,

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<v Speaker 1>and turn your life over to Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm telling you it was I bet you had

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<v Speaker 3>a sixty thousand There must have been twenty thousand people. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thousand people just flooded exit. There's this exodus down

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<v Speaker 3>to the field that was empty, which was now full,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody just tried and I just sat there just weeping,

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<v Speaker 3>thinking like this is the most amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why Billy Graham's the goat, right, yeah he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>dead now, the goat though all he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Dead r okay, okay, yeah he was. Yeah, he is

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<v Speaker 2>the goat.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the goat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, all right, you're right, you can still, you

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<v Speaker 2>can still, all right, So it sounds like this is

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<v Speaker 2>a really good place to end. And tomorrow we got

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<v Speaker 2>dad jokes, dad joke.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right, So bring your a game tomorrow, all right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we will see you next time. I'm the Bible, guys,