WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.000 Hey friend, listen. I know the world is scary right now. Corruption, war, inflation, demographics, 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:18.000 degeneracy, disease, unrest, hatred, and despair. We didn't come here to tell you how it is, 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.000 but that it's going to get way better. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:43.000 Love that song. So good. All right, guys, welcome back to the show. We wanted to talk 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:51.000 about, we got, well, first off, we got JV and Corey with us today, myself, Bondor. Today we 00:00:51.000 --> 00:01:00.000 wanted to talk about how Bitcoin has ruined our lives and also made it better, but how it's ruined 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:07.000 our lives. Which is just to say, what are the sacrifices you've had to make for Bitcoin? 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:12.000 What are the, like, how does it change what you thought was true and what does that mean? 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:17.000 And it's like, this is a real thing that actually happens to Bitcoiners because they understand 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:24.000 as you go down the rabbit hole, things change. So with that brief introduction, I know JD, 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:29.000 you had an answer. I still need to work on my articulation of my answer, but JD, you had an answer. 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:34.000 So I want to throw it off to you first. How has Bitcoin ruined your life? 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:43.000 Bitcoin ruined my life because it made me get rid of all of my friends. The biggest thing for me 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:51.000 when it came to going down the Bitcoin rabbit hole is I just realized that the amount of surface 00:01:51.000 --> 00:02:01.000 level, unfulfilling relationships I had with a lot of people, because Hollywood just does that, 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:07.000 needed to change because there's a lot of people who are just here for the next gig or here for the next whatever. 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:14.000 And Bitcoin really makes you take a lower time preference stance on everything. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:19.000 And so then you just actually have to ask the hard questions of like, hey, is this relationship actually 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:25.000 benefiting either of us? Because I think that's the one big part about Bitcoin that people don't, 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:33.000 or low time preference that people don't realize is that a really good low time preference thing to do 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:39.000 is actually culling of everything, you know, getting in there and removing clutter from your desk 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:45.000 or getting in there and like weeding your garden, essentially. Like that's what this kind of like turnover 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:50.000 of friendships kind of was. And I think it's actually been a really good thing. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:57.000 So it let me kind of pause and reflect on like Bitcoin is ruining a lot of my relationships. 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:02.000 But now the ones that I have because of Bitcoin are so much stronger and so much better. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.000 And that's actually where I'd rather spend my time is what people are trying to build things versus people 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.000 are just trying to tear it down. Yeah. 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:16.000 And Corey, yeah, Corey, what was your off the top of your head? What's your answer? 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:21.000 The way Bitcoin ruined my life was it forced me to not be a materialist anymore. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:30.000 I was on the drug of it, of you get as much fiat as you can in order to get things to make you feel better 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:36.000 about what you had to do to get the fiat currency. And I got on that train as a very young man 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:41.000 at a Fortune 500 corporate job right out of college. That was the envy of my of my college. 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:48.000 And I hated it so much. I found myself buying things in order to make myself feel better about it. 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:54.000 And I wouldn't discover Bitcoin for some time after that. So there was some personal development in there. 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:58.000 So I knew that there was a problem, but I didn't know what the solution was. 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:03.000 It just forced me off of that, that whole rat race. Like, what a what an enormous waste of time. 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:10.000 Every hour that I spent in looking at, you know, and then buying cars and clothes and vacations and things. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:17.000 And now I price all of those things in Bitcoin and in future and in the quantity of my effort, 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:23.000 the time and effort that it took to get money or to get Bitcoin. 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:27.000 And I see I would rather not have those things. 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:31.000 And it forced me into thinking into into a long term time preference 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:36.000 and totally changed my outlook on on what money and value was, 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:41.000 which upstream reoriented how I view my own time and the value of my own time. 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:48.000 It really raised the value of my own time and how I view the value of that time and the value of other people's time in my life. 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:56.000 I want to jump in real quick. Sorry, Steve, I love what you said is Bitcoin ruined my life because it made me price everything in the future. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:06.000 I just think that that's such a great call out because it's so difficult to have that happen in such a fast microwave materialistic culture. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:16.000 So I think that's really cool. Absolutely. If you look at buying the fancy car today and you think about a college education for your kids in the future, 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:20.000 even even if you were to invest in the S&P 500, that's an evaluation you have to make. 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:24.000 If you're pricing it in Bitcoin, it's the most effortless decision in the world. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:36.000 It's not even a battle of materialism. Right. You'd have to be the most prideful, arrogant, materialistic person in the world to price that in Bitcoin and still make still make an irrational financial decision like that in the present. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:45.000 Just makes it obvious. Yeah, I think for me, Bitcoin ruined my life in that. 00:05:45.000 --> 00:06:04.000 I spent decades like in music, pursuing music, in art, pursuing art film like it is is basically said that all like completely undone what I thought was valuable in beauty and completely undone what I thought was valuable in taste. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:12.000 It's like go to a bunch of nightclubs and you like go like you're on the like, no, no, I'm not. I'm not going to the to the to the club to see the thing. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:19.000 I'm like going to the after party at the club to see the thing that's like the super hip new thing. Right. And like all of that is just. 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:31.000 Anathema to me now, it's like it's just and I was like the guy who's like, yeah, I know the connections of the club, so I can like literally just walk inside and I have VIP access like that was kind of like my life. 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:39.000 And it's like that's just so uninteresting. There's nothing to that. It's like now I listen to classical music all the time. 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:49.000 I'm way more interested in traditional architecture or films that are old. And I also just don't have time to pursue many of these things anymore. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:57.000 But it's just like I don't care about whatever pop music is, because I know it's garbage, it's trash and there's literally nothing to it. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:09.000 It exists to like, I don't know, get your blood pumping as opposed to get your mind working. It's a totally different paradigm. And that's directly because of Bitcoin. 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:19.000 Corey, I'm curious, is there a like a hobby or something you used to do that just Bitcoin totally took all the joy out of? 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:30.000 There is. Investing. It's the most natural one, right? I loved it. I loved it. I started a real estate company and bought houses. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:38.000 And with any money I had left over, which wasn't a lot at the time, I was constantly looking at stocks and the best way to build portfolios over time. 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:47.000 When I started pricing all of those things in Bitcoin, it all became nonsense. All of that was nonsense. And I don't think the instinct to invest is bad. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:56.000 I think it's a biblical thing. I think it's a really good thing to build the assets that you have over time, make them work for you, make them help your community in a way that's mutually beneficial. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:09.000 I think that's great. But I think the things that we should be investing are our skills and our time and our interests rather than how much time I spent on charts and drawing Fibonacci numbers and researching companies. 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:21.000 It's like I think about that in my life, realizing how much time I wasted on that, like how much time I was just like swiping around Robin Hood trying to get from 8% to 9% annualized. Right. 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:34.000 It was higher than that, you know, but so to speak. But yeah, I think that was a hobby. That was literally a hobby. That was soul sucking. It wasn't a good hobby. It was a waste of time. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:47.000 So I'm going to have to kind of revise my answer, but like the I'm trying to find it right now and I don't think I can find it fast. But there's a quote in Andor. Have you guys seen Andor? 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:54.000 Oh, the best. It's good. It's incredible. It's so good. It's so near the end of the first season. 00:08:55.000 --> 00:09:08.000 Luthan has this monologue and it is like I listen to the money was like, well, it's a good monologue when I first heard it. But then I was like, as of going down the rabbit hole, you know, more and more. I'm like that. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:20.000 The monologue kind of just like just like kind of just plays on repeat in my head. What have you lost? Like calm, peace, friendships, like all this stuff. It's like, wait a second. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:33.000 It's like the more you go down the rabbit hole, the more you kind of realize that like we're fighting in a war against very evil entities and we can win and we can see that we can win. 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:44.000 And we're like, wait a second. I thought I was going to have this life. And Bitcoin basically just says, no, no, no, you don't get you get to sacrifice everything. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:56.000 Right. It's just a totally different paradigm. So like to answer Bitcoin ruin my life and how to ruin my life. It put me to war as opposed to an ideological war, like non-kinetic, of course, but like it put me to war. 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.000 Like I'm now fighting on a mission for this thing. It's crazy. 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:11.000 I love that. I would say to it, you know, as a Christian man who is aggressive about figuring out my place and bringing about the kingdom of God, that's the economy to me. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:20.000 That's the only thing that is eternal is the kingdom of God. And I don't think that's just evangelization of a very, very integrated view of of that, especially in art. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:31.000 That's the way it's most natural to me. But it's true that there's eternal things happening all around us all the time. And it's very easy to think about the immediate dopamine hit rather than focusing on those things. 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:42.000 So the disconnect for me of being a materialist who's making money and trying to figure out how to impact the world while I'm buying myself nice clothes to make my feel make myself feel better about my job. 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:52.000 And wanting to impact the bringing about of the kingdom of God and play whatever small role in that I'm capable of playing. That was a disconnect for a long time. 00:10:52.000 --> 00:11:02.000 Bitcoin blew that up because it gave an actual economic reality to the eternal. Right. Or, you know, even if we stop sort of calling it eternal. 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:15.000 My eternal essentially, for as long as Bitcoin will be around is essentially eternity to my influence on the world for, you know, the next multiple hundreds of years should be the global reserve currency. 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:21.000 It gave the economy to me to align that with the way that with what my soul already wanted. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:35.000 Yep. The man, I really wish I could find this thing. Just got to drop it. Just got to drop it. So for me, it literally is this idea like Bitcoin ruined my life in that my I was basically asleep, right? 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:48.000 Asleep at the wheel, like just consume whatever, like, oh, yeah, this is great. Don't think about it too hard. Like, you know, is it a banger? Great. It's a banger. Great. We're going to we're going to have a party. We're going to do the thing. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:12:05.000 Don't think about it too hard. You're just put to sleep about all of reality and all the evils and everything else that's going that's going on in the world. And Bitcoin basically just wakes you up from that. You're like, wait a second. How do I participate? How do I push this forward? How do I make a difference? That's actually. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:27.000 Biblical and reasonable and justified and changes reality and like brings things that are good, like pulls them out of the ether and pushes them forward like none of that existed before Bitcoin. It was just I'm just going to be asleep. It's fine. Yeah, I'll just get it. Whatever. We'll figure out the money. So, you know, whatever. It's fine. Yeah, just crazy. 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:42.000 It's funny in that regard, like Bitcoin ruined my self-image. It ruined my ability to look myself in the mirror and accept any of the lies I was telling myself about myself. 00:12:43.000 --> 00:13:06.000 Because if you're looking at stuff on a long enough time horizon and you have an understanding of that little thing that I don't like about myself that I just do over and over and over again because I see that train or that thought or whatever it is coming and I just do it anyways on a long enough time horizon, which is where Bitcoin points you, you realize it takes you to eternal damnation and death. 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:27.000 That's it. It makes you a bad person. It makes you not what you want to be. And it forces you to confront those things in a way that is a little jarring. And I think that's the thing that's been really hard is Bitcoin has forced me to confront my demons. And it's really hard. And sometimes it's depressing. 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:42.000 You know, there's a lot of moments where I'm like, man, like this is pretty overwhelming because everything matters. You actually have to assume everything matters because, you know, in a finite world, it does. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:14:02.000 Yeah. It breaks the illusion, especially as a man, that you can just take breaks from your responsibility to the world and to yourself and to your family that are just kind of yours. Right. You just write the short term time. I'm not talking about healthy rest. I'm talking about I'll just allow myself this and it should be fine. 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:23.000 And it gets into every aspect of your life in a similar way that faith does. And it says, no, no, everything that dies, dies. And you can engage in that sort of thing, but it will die and you will die. Part of you will die along with it. Or you can be focused on the long term at all times and actually work to the benefit of yourself and your community and your world. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:38.000 So one of the things that's been connecting for me a lot recently, and I've posted about this just almost every day, but it's it's this idea that, you know, if we're going to be good stewards of our lives and which we're called to do as Christians will. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:53.000 Before Bitcoin, there was essentially no decent way to steward value, because you had to measure value in something that was debasing, deprecating and falling apart. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:15:09.000 Like, like, how do you measure value in that? Well, OK, this this this thing is supposed to be valuable is measured in this value, but it's being debased. So I don't really value it that, you know, as it should be valued because it's being debased. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:18.000 Now, Jesus talks about this. He like literally says with with the measure you used, it will be with the measure you use. It will be measured back to you and more. 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:30.000 The consequences of that are like when you measure value with something that's debased, you will be debased. Right. It just comes right back to you and more. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:37.000 And so it's like, OK, cool. Well, it doesn't matter that I do this or that. I don't think like participate in growing my own wealth or do that. 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:44.000 It was just there's just like this malaise about everything because everything's devalued with Bitcoin. It's the exact opposite. 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:52.000 It's. You're using a righteous measure to measure value now. And therefore, it returns back to you and more. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:59.000 So your life starts to matter, your that your opinions start to like, actually, I should form a better opinion about this because it matters. Right. 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:05.000 Like, oh, I got to figure out what that thing is. I got to figure I got to do this stuff over there, that thing, whatever. 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:10.000 And it's just, man, completely add such meaning to everything you do. 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:18.000 Yeah. Bitcoin ruined my ability. Like what's the what's the best way to say that? 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:28.000 Bitcoin ruined my ability to look at. Anyone in a way that I wouldn't look at myself. 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:43.000 I think there's a really cool thing about Bitcoin is you can now look at any side of any argument if you're properly down the rabbit hole and understand there's probably deeper aspects to this that you probably would agree with or you probably wouldn't be as far off from. 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:51.000 And I think the level of understanding, you know, we run a meetup and the cool thing about that meetup is we have people on both sides of the political spectrum. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:59.000 And that's awesome. Like, that's how it should be. You should be able to have a conversation with somebody you don't agree with without just hating them. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:07.000 And I think that's the thing that I really hate about the mainstream media and just media in general, is people have this TV complex on my TV. 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.000 Tomer. Now, in this case, my phone told me and that's the truth. And that's just not true at all. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:17.000 And I think that's what I love about Bitcoin is it forces you to do your own research and dig in and actually be educated on things. 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:31.000 You don't know everything and you know that, but it really does challenge your presuppositions of, oh, the TV told me or this headline told me or the Wall Street Journal told me or the New York Times told me or CNN told me, whoever told me, Fox told me. 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:36.000 Like, you can't take that at face value anymore. You have the Internet, you have the access. 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:44.000 So now you need to do the work to actually realize, is that correct? Is that true? It's getting harder with AI. It's kind of unfortunate. 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:55.000 But I do actually think when we get into a Bitcoin standard and Bitcoin is the denominator, AI will actually be forced into truth. 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:02.000 And the rationale there and the logic is people are not going to be willing to spend money on falsehoods. 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:10.000 And so right now we're in this world, we're still in fiat. And so like, you know, you have the hydras coming out, but you're going to get to a point where it's like is too expensive to lie. 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:16.000 And so it's just easier to just be truthful and you wouldn't want to spend your money on something not truthful anyway. 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:28.000 So like if you're making a movie, cool, that's different. Your storytelling, like fabrication of things will get to a point where it's a really simple and binary decision of risk reward. 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:35.000 And most of the time, hopefully the reward for doing something dishonest or untruthful won't be there. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:46.000 Yeah, the one thing that comes to mind when you're mentioning that is I've been seeing this like in my own life, like how did Bitcoin ruin your life? 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:54.000 It's like it basically took we live in a postmodern paradigm and in a postmodern paradigm, like, oh, everything's relative. 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:05.000 Well, that's cool for you. That's cool for you. But the reverse side of that is that everybody kind of just tested like really just be absolutely defensive about what's cool for them. 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:11.000 No, no, no. That's cool for you. But for me, I only do this and I only do that and I only do. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.000 And there's like this weird like like you'll see it in Christian circles. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:22.000 One of the things that you'll see in Christian circles is the Orthodox, the Catholic and the Protestant, the eternal. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Like, you guys don't have the truth. Only we have the truth. And you guys don't have the truth. Only we have the truth. 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:31.000 And how dare you make this truth and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Just goes on and on and on. And there's no resolution to any of it. 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:37.000 And you can also see it in smaller things like you only read or I only read the N.I.B. 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:44.000 It's the only translation that's worth reading. Oh, well, no, no, no. That's a terrible translation because of gender, blah, blah, blah. 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:49.000 The only translation that's actually worth reading is that the N.I.B. It has to be the ninety five version. 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.000 If you don't read the ninety five N.I.B., you're you're you're loony tunes, you're heretic. 00:19:54.000 --> 00:20:03.000 It's like, wait, where's all this like this? This plurality come from one and then the reverse of that, which is this ultra self-defined. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:08.000 This is the only truth. Right. With Bitcoin, that just gets totally reversed. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:16.000 It's like, wait a second. We can we can find truth in so many different things, especially the things that are that are kind of they seem at odds. 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:20.000 We just dig down beneath the surface of pointing to the same place. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.000 And like that's the thing. That's the exact same case with Bible translations. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:30.000 I mean, apart from the very few exceptions that are just completely erroneous and ridiculous. 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:37.000 Most of them, the intent and the purpose of it is to point towards the underlying truth that can be found in all of them. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:50.000 If you know how to look for it correctly and then the certain different translations will say like, oh, they'll reveal something to you that you wouldn't have even thought of had you not like gone down that. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.000 Version of of just the lettering. Right. 00:20:55.000 --> 00:21:06.000 And you just miss all of that in a in a postmodern world, but in a Bitcoin world, you can actually see that because you're you're operating from a position of strength in a position in a. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:14.000 In the in the postmodern world, you're always operating from a position of weakness because you don't I guess I don't know what's true or whatever. 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.000 So I have to be really, really I got to hold on tight to all these things. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:29.000 But in a Bitcoin world where your agency is increasing all the time, you're like, well, actually, I can afford to be a little bit more loose about this thing that I always thought was the only way to go. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:32.000 And it just completely breaks that paradigm. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:44.000 Yeah, I really like that. I had a I had a friend who did a long, silent retreat, 30 day silent retreat at this monastery. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.000 And then you got about 15 minutes to talk to the monks every day. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:55.000 And he said, I don't know exactly what those guys are doing, but they're the Navy SEALs of it was how he how he said it. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:58.000 And they've been since they were consecrated as monks. 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:02.000 They've been essentially silent except for 15 minutes a day and unusually not even that. 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:10.000 And he got to, you know, interview the head guy, you know, later on, and they had this fundraising project for the Abbey. 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:13.000 This is big, this big deal. 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:15.000 And he's like, when's when's this, you know, coming together? 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.000 And he's like, it's a hundred year project. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:19.000 So we just do our part. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:26.000 And whoever is, you know, a couple of generations past me will see it done and just completely at peace about it. 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:35.000 And that those are guys who have completely removed themselves from society to do a thing to be completely devoted to a thing. 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:49.000 And when he told me that story, I immediately thought Bitcoin would allow the normal person without someone like me who's never going to do something like that to get a little bit of a step, like one step closer to that level of devotion, commitment, long term thinking. 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.000 And there's something so beautiful and so peaceful about that. 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:54.000 Yeah, I love that. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000 Do you think, Corey, kind of digging in there? 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:07.000 Do you think Bitcoin makes it easier or harder to be religious? 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:12.000 Harder to be religious. 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:24.000 So that's a good question, because if you have, Steve, what Bondar was just talking about, about territorialness in religion, I think Bitcoin blows that up, makes it a lot harder. 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:41.000 If you have what I say, what I would call an eternal mindset, and you're constantly looking for the truth, whatever it is, and you're willing to let your assumptions be blown up by new evidence and new things, new communities, new perspectives and new ways to see the world. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:48.000 I'd say that Bitcoin will support your journey to eternal truth wherever that takes you. 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:55.000 And I obviously have a pretty specific view on what that is, but I have a category for everyone else and everyone else's opinions. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.000 And I understand that as accessing something that I don't have access to. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:08.000 Even if you're a completely dyed in the wool Christian, you have to believe that every human life has an individual fingerprint and reflects God in their own way. 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:14.000 So literally your worst enemy on Earth is teaching you something about God that you wouldn't have access to if you didn't know that person. 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:23.000 You necessarily need the community of the world to understand the kingdom of God better and to understand the character of God and the person of God better. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:31.000 And I think that territorialness blows up completely in a Bitcoin standard when you are forced into that long term timeframe. 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:39.000 J.D., you mentioned at the beginning of the call that you ruined your friendships. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:47.000 So that's a very tangible, practical day to day kind of this is how you interact with the world kind of thing. 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:56.000 What about for you? What's something that it ruined at like a higher intellectual or philosophical level? 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:01.000 You spend the majority of your time at work, whatever your work is. 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:03.000 If you're a farmer, you're out in the field. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:09.000 If you are somebody who works a desk, you're at your desk, you know, and now wherever that desk is. 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:11.000 Right. It's different with remote work. 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.000 But that's where you spend the majority of your time. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:23.000 And Bitcoin ruined my ability to lie to myself about where those hours are going and who I'm spending them with. 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:31.000 Because at the end of the day, which is all I'm focused on now of the end of my days, what am I passing on? 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:33.000 What is going to be there? 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:42.000 You know, is it going to be just this legacy of, you know, relationships that were transactional or it's like, hey, you know, I worked with you on this one thing. 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:44.000 Do you want to do this thing together? Hey, I know you do this. 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.000 Like, can we do this? We partner like very, very transactional. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:26:00.000 And it forced me to take a look back and then just get an understanding of like, hey, you know, Arthur Brooks, if you know who that is, he's the Harvard professor who studies happiness is the Harvard Business School. 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:02.000 And actually, it was both great right over here. 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.000 Love your enemies. 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.000 And then his first one was actually like, who really cares? 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:17.000 That was the first Arthur Brooks book I ever saw, which is kind of talking about how like the evangelical slash Catholic community in the United States are the largest givers in the world. 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.000 He's done all this research. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:28.000 And what he kind of came to was there's a Harvard study done about the people who live the longest. 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:36.000 And the indicator of that was the size of your social group directly correlated with the length of your life. 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.000 And if you really distill that down, it's where tribal people or other humans are tribal. 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:43.000 Humans are social creatures. 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:58.000 But when it really comes down to it is if your purpose is people, if your purpose is outside of you and like making other people's lives better and not just like the transaction, it's like the actual like, hey, I just want to help this person for whatever reason. 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.000 Your purpose is fully outside of yourself. 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:09.000 And it totally strips back any of the transactional like nature of like, hey, if I do this, I might get this and I do that. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:11.000 And it just totally reframed everything. 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:17.000 And so coming back to your question, Bitcoin ruined my ability to be transactional and relationships. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:24.000 And it also changed my perspective on who I want my relationships to be with as much as I can. 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:29.000 I want to work for and with Bitcoiners, period, just because of the. 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:37.000 Foundational beliefs that we all share, having spent a long time in Hollywood, a long time in entertainment, a long time in advertising. 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:43.000 It's 100 percent lip service or rather, try saying ninety nine percent lip service in most of those scenarios. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.000 And that just doesn't fly with Bitcoiners. 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:52.000 And so it's really cool to be able to like dive in and then kind of confront, you know, relationships. 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.000 I'm like, ah, like that was not great and that was good. 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.000 And but kind of Arthur Brooks, let me land on that. 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.000 Sorry, I'm rambling, but laying in the plane. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.000 Relationships must matter. 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:11.000 Bitcoin has confirmed for me that I just can't have transactional transactional relationships and it's all the relationships that matter. 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:23.000 But then what Arthur Brooks has coined and one of the things that he's been studying at Harvard is coming back to the first study of the amount of your like the size of your friend group, the size of your long term friend group is directly correlated to your life. 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.000 And what he likes to call those people as is your useless friends. 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.000 And I think that's actually one of the most. 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:36.000 Important things for people in today's transactional culture to hear is your useless friends or your most valuable friends. 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:41.000 It's the people who you just like them because they like sports ball or they like this thing. 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.000 You know, you just like them and then they just like you for whatever reason. 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:47.000 They like a hobby or whatever it is. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.000 And I think it's really helped me because I used to be. 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.000 I mean, that's was my business was Hollywood. 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.000 That was entertainment. I was always very transactional. 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.000 I'm just like, OK, I'm doing this and doing that. 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:06.000 And so Bitcoin is just like forced me to confront that and slow down and really try and hold on to, you know, as many useless friends as I can because I just like them. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:15.000 So, J.D., I wonder, too, if there's a way to to put that in the eye statement, because I really identify this to being in Hollywood for almost 10 years now. 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.000 That Augustine quote where he was a womanizer early in life and then over time after his conversion. 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:28.000 Do you know this one? Is this too obvious that he runs into one of the women from his past life and she's like, you know, hey, what's up, what's going on? 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:34.000 Don't you recognize me? And he's like, I recognize you, but you don't recognize me or, you know, something to that effect. 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.000 Right. I've become a different person. Therefore, we are. 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.000 That's relationship isn't the same as what it once was, is what he's getting at. 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.000 And because I really identify with that and especially early on in Hollywood, it is very transactional. 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:52.000 A lot of that's very transactional. And there were people who, you know, who are superficial and paper thin and all of that. 00:29:53.000 --> 00:30:02.000 But I also recognize in myself when I look back on those years that I was a pretty transactional person and I wasn't a great friend or, you know, community member necessarily. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.000 Right. And that was that war within myself. 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:10.000 And it's not necessarily that everyone I was coming across was a was a thin, superficial person. 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:15.000 A lot of them were wonderful people, but I wasn't engaging with them in a way that would have led to a fruitful friendship. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:24.000 Anyway, it was a two way street and it slowly started to shape me and evolve me in a way that the people I naturally attracted were the useless friends. 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.000 I became a useless friend to people intentionally because it's so much more rich. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.000 And I now I believe I add more to those people as well. 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:41.000 Yeah, I want to button that with like Bitcoin forced me to confront the transactional nature I had in a lot of my relationships. 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:49.000 And that caused me to really assess why I had them and forced me in the same thing you did. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.000 Like, oh, hang on. Am I adding value to this person? 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.000 Because it's like, oh, no, I'm extracting value in the transaction. 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.000 But like, am I just adding value and I just adding to add. 00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:04.000 And I think that was the biggest thing for me is like, oh, man, it's actually better for this person if I see myself out. 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.000 Because at the end of the day, you know, I'm not adding anything to them. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.000 I'm not two plus two equals five in their situation. 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.000 I'm literally, you know, it's one plus one equals one. 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:16.000 And in this particular case, I'm the one. 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.000 I'm the other. I'm the wrong side of this equation. 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:25.000 And so, you know, I need to really be focused on adding and not expecting anything in return. 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:26.000 Yeah. Yeah. 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.000 There's jumping into the other side of this. 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.000 It's like, you know, how is Bitcoin ruined your life? 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.000 Like, how has it made it better? 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.000 I think that it like exactly what you're talking about, Judy. 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.000 And I'm sure all of us on this call experience this. 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.000 During covid, we all lost friends. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.000 Our social group. 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.000 I mean, for me personally, social group just collapsed. 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.000 It was like it's not that these people died. 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.000 I mean, some people lost friends in that regard, of course. 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.000 But for us in L.A., it was like this. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.000 We're not I'm not living in the city anymore. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.000 I'm moving to Tennessee. I'm moving to Denver. 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:06.000 I'm like, I'm out of here. I'm done. Right. 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.000 So, you know, that was a huge constriction on. 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:16.000 Like and and like for me personally, you just feel it when a friend leaves L.A. 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.000 Like it's like I stabbed the heart in some capacity. 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:21.000 Like, well, that like really hurt. 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.000 And like, man, it really hurt. 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:25.000 And then it kept going like in another friend. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:27.000 Like, oh, my goodness. 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.000 And like even today, like we just had another good friend leave L.A. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.000 And it's just like, oh, man, another one. 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.000 And then you go to these things. 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:38.000 It's like, well, why are they leaving? 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.000 It's almost all the same, like politics and money. 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.000 And we can't get a job or whatever the thing is. Right. 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.000 L.A. is an incredibly difficult place to live. 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:48.000 But then JD goes to your point. 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:53.000 It's like, yeah, well, of course, it's a crazy difficult place to live if you're denominated in fiat. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:02.000 But if you're not denominated in fiat, you can make it here because of Bitcoin. 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.000 Because Bitcoin tracks them, too. 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.000 Because if you are measuring your life in Bitcoin, it's returned back to you. 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.000 Threefold, tenfold. 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:17.000 Like in terms of how does how does Bitcoin make my life better? 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.000 Well, like the fiat ruined all my friendships. 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.000 And also, you know, like I had the same thing as you, JD. 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.000 Bitcoin ruined a lot of my friendships as well. 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.000 Like, for real. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.000 My Facebook friends went from over a thousand to five hundred. 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:39.000 But then also it creates new new friendships that it's like way more. 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.000 It feels like there's way more depth to those friendships. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.000 Feels like we're on the same page about those friendships. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.000 Like at the meetup, JD, you're talking about this. 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.000 It's like, yeah, these people are like totally different backgrounds, totally different political, etc. 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.000 But you're like, wait a second. 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.000 We're all operating from a position of strength. 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.000 We don't need to be tribal about any of this. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.000 We can all kind of, oh, I hear your point. 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:02.000 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.000 I haven't considered that. 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.000 Maybe I need to revise my point now or revise your point. 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.000 I need to revise my point now or whatever the thing is. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:11.000 It's like there's just so much. 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:17.000 There's so much more peace about reality and hope about moving forward in it. 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.000 Corey, has Bitcoin changed your perspective on dating and relationships? 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:41.000 Because I know, I'm just curious, your thought is like, did Bitcoin destroy any idols you had in that regard of dating or relationships or things you're looking for? 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:57.000 Yeah, I mean, as the one unmarried guy on the podcast, I would say Bitcoin ruined my immediate pull with women and simultaneously made me a better partner, better potential partner. 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:03.000 Because the dating environment, especially as it's become right now, has become extremely transactional. 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.000 What are you both offering? 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:15.000 And when that transaction works, it can feel like you've found a real partner, but it can be a very surface level connection. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.000 And I would say that my idol in those areas was around the transactional things. 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:33.000 Do I have the things that will attract a woman in the next 10 minutes or in the next hour to the point where I have a chance, where there's an opening? 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.000 And Bitcoin undoes almost all of that. 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.000 Almost all of that is like the TikTok of being a man. 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.000 It's the 10 second chunk of being a man. 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:50.000 And specifically around resources, it used to be a thing to be able to show off how much money you have. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:36:01.000 And Bitcoin literally, if you're a true Bitcoiner and you never tell anyone how much Bitcoin you have, you're literally living as frugally as possible while not communicating how much money you have. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:08.000 It's the antithesis of that kind of bird all mating dance or whatever you want to say. 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.000 It's a completely different outlook. 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:15.000 I would also say the quality of my relationships improved after that significantly. 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:24.000 I will say a funny thought you gave me while I was hearing you kind of discuss that is putting you in like a Bitcoin fragrance commercial. 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:26.000 And it's like, what would that look like? 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:33.000 It's like instead of this like sexy model, it's like dad bod, like old shoes, like run down car. 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.000 And it's just like all this stuff. 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.000 You know, there are certain things that's like steak and like filtered water. 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:45.000 But for the most part, it's like how frugal can this like how how sexy can frugal look in a fun way? 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.000 Yeah. Yeah, that's very good. 00:36:52.000 --> 00:37:02.000 Oh, yeah. I mean, you think about the things you want out of out of a long term partner like commitment and, you know, responsibility and ability to delay short term gratification for long term gratification. 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.000 These are all things that Bitcoin naturally puts into you. 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.000 It just doesn't necessarily help you at the bars. 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:09.000 Also, women still don't love talking about Bitcoin. 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.000 I don't know if you guys have run into this, but that is that is very much a thing. 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.000 I can tell you post marriage. 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:18.000 It doesn't change. 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.000 I don't know if you have a similar or a different story over there. 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:29.000 Bond or but, you know, it's a it's ongoing. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.000 I think there's always there's always like it's like it. 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:36.000 So here's kind of my theory on the whole thing. 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:48.000 And this is I don't know if this is orthodox or whatever, but like my theory on the whole thing is kind of in terms of dating and relationships and sexual ethics and the whole thing. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:38:02.000 We live in a fiat world and like Corey, the consequences of that is that all the social signaling around sexual ethics basically says, well, big plumage. 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:03.000 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.000 You're talking about right. 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.000 But it goes further than that goes way further than that. 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:09.000 It says, no, no, no. 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:16.000 Not only can I have do I offer the most money I can offer the most enjoyment, the most like physical pleasure. 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.000 Right. 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.000 That's what everyone optimizes for. 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.000 That's where you see like crazy gym rats. 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:28.000 That's why you see like bikini Instagram just for everything like everyone. 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:35.000 And it's like and you can go back on Instagram just like I'm not that you should do this, but you can do this. 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.000 And like look at people's Instagram from five years ago, seven years ago. 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.000 And look what the photos they were making are as they grow older. 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:48.000 They just get more and more scantily clad like the fiat minded individual. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.000 You're like, this is ridiculous. 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.000 Or they get more ripped, right? 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.000 Like especially outside of outside of Christian circles. 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.000 So you can see where this goes, right? 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.000 We're optimizing. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.000 We're signaling for ultra high time preference. 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:09.000 Me here now. 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.000 Drugs, sex, violence, etc. 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.000 Right. 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.000 Under Bitcoin, all that's just totally reversed. 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:27.000 Oh, now the thing that I want to signal for is long term stable relationship, childbearing and child rearing and being around to be able to do that. 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:34.000 Facilitate that long term, you know, pointing towards kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc. 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.000 So what are those signals look like? 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:44.000 Well, it just looked like traditional like trad trad relationships that have been around for centuries because that's all that's the only thing that matter. 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:51.000 Like, I mean, you look at the age of somebody from to an average age of world population 200 years ago, like 30 years. 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:58.000 Like you basically the only thing that matters is that you procreate as soon as possible, because if you don't, you're dead. 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:06.000 And now the average age of the average age of your first kid being born is what I don't even know. 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.000 It's got to be over 20 years. 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:09.000 30. 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.000 It depends on where you're at. 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:11.000 I think in the South, it's like five. 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.000 But in L.A., I think it's like I think in San Francisco, it's 34. 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.000 Yeah, I don't like that. 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:23.000 It's like we're reproducing at a rate that's literally four years after you would have been dead. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.000 200 years ago, it's it's bonkers. 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.000 But anyway, like Bitcoin completely inverses that. 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:33.000 It says, you know, Bitcoin ruined my life. 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:41.000 Well, it completely changed how I signal for things that are important with regard to sexual ethics. 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.000 And how did Bitcoin make my life better? 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.000 I could for the for the exact same reason says, oh, no. 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.000 Now you're like what's important is like everyone talks about how to Bitcoin. 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.000 Never sell it. 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:54.000 Never sell it. 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.000 Never sell it. 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.000 Michael Saylor saying never sell Bitcoin who doesn't have any kids. 00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:59.000 Right. 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.000 No, no, no. 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.000 You send your you spend the Bitcoin on the kids. 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:09.000 You spend Bitcoin on time with kids because that is far more rare than. 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:20.000 Any any ordinal right like any rare sap, it's just it's just so much more rare, especially for you personally. 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.000 So, yeah, it's just the whole thing. 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:24.000 I love that thought. 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:36.000 And actually, I want to say this is Bitcoin has ruined my understanding of the future, but it has completely expanded my appreciation for the present. 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:44.000 Because we don't know, you know, we all have this belief and understanding Bitcoin is going to a million bucks. 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:52.000 And why we believe that is just the math that how many did back in the day is all right. 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.000 Let's just say Bitcoin takes this percentage of the global total market. 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.000 That's a million to ten million dollars per coin. 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.000 And so that seems pretty reasonable. 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.000 And we're kind of on that train right now. 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:05.000 And once we got to one hundred thousand, like a million seems way more inevitable than zero. 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:13.000 Right. But Bitcoin fully expanded what you just said, Bondar, which is. 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:26.000 I think the only thing more rare than Bitcoin is you and your specific time, because Bitcoin in and of itself, just like money, will outdate you. 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.000 It will outpace you. It will outlast you. 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:41.000 And so spending Bitcoin on things that are more valuable, your kids, time with your kids, time with your friends, time moments in my mind, because I had somebody ask the other day, what what would you spend your Bitcoin on? 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:42.000 I would spend my Bitcoin on moments. 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:57.000 Bitcoin to me is worth my moments and trying to think about those moments that I can provide for my kids, kids like that's the future piece of it is really difficult calculus. 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:06.000 But I do feel Bitcoin gives you a an appreciation of the present and an understanding of, you know, a moment now. 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:12.000 That you would spend your Bitcoin on could be more valuable than one hundred million cents. 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:23.000 Yeah. And that's like to be like explicit, that's a different economic model than the experience economy like that. 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:30.000 Oh, I was at this fantastic Airbnb. It was a moment, man. I had such a moment at this. It's like, no, no, no, no. 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.000 It doesn't like I'm like what you're talking about is a moment with your grandkid. It doesn't matter where it is. 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:42.000 Like a hundred percent. There's so much part. There's so much expensive or cheap parts of that equation that don't matter. 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:52.000 Yeah. I mean, I'll just give one last thing on that is like we just had a good friend of ours called yesterday and say, hey, my, you know, my family member die just out of the blue. 00:43:53.000 --> 00:44:04.000 Kind of thing. And so it's like, you know, there's there's no. There's no time like the present when you have an understanding of the actual value of it. 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:12.000 Now, do I need to go to in or McDonald's or Starbucks right now? Probably not, because that means five years from now. 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:22.000 Oh, that Internet I just bought is a MacBook Pro. But when you look at it, the other side of should I take that flight to go see my dad? 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:29.000 That's probably worth it. Mm hmm. Yeah. Exactly. 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:38.000 Corey, Corey, how has Bitcoin ruined your family relationships like mom, dad, brothers, sisters? 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.000 Well, they're sick of hearing about it. That counts. 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.000 Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.000 And my dad is a dyed in the wool trad fi because it worked for him. 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:56.000 He had he was a tenured Ivy League professor for most of his career. 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:03.000 And then he was a dean of another business school for a long time, which are about the most stable jobs in human history. 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:11.000 Right. If you're as long as you're not actively committing murder, it's almost impossible to get removed from tenure positions at good universities. 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:18.000 So Fiat really worked for him over that time frame, especially over the decades that he was working. 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:25.000 When the market was generally up and to the right, when technological growth generally outpaced money printing. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000 So it felt like you were getting wealthier over time. 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:38.000 Having a having a first principles conversation about the nature of money with someone like that is incredibly challenging, even though he's a business school professor. 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.000 Which is interesting. Right. It feels like a generational shift. 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:47.000 When I sold my real estate portfolio to buy Bitcoin with it, he looked at me like my head had fallen off. 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.000 It was the most bizarre. He could not understand it. 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:58.000 He could not understand why I was doing it, even though I said, look, in three years, I will be able to buy this real estate portfolio back, plus a bunch of houses. 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.000 Watch. And it happened. And he still doesn't understand it. Right. 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:09.000 I would say that that level of of generational disconnect is probably the biggest thing that that that Bitcoin's caused. 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:16.000 J.D., do you have you want to weigh in on this? I got something. But if you want to jump in, you're first. 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:29.000 OK, so. Between me and my dad, shout out, hi, dad, I think that there is probably some tension with regard to like political involvement and political discourse. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.000 I've held for a long time that it's voting in the legacy system. 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:40.000 I mean, I'm not against voting. Vote if you're you know, vote your conviction and the rest of that. 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.000 Like do it. For me, it's been a lot of wait a second. 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:55.000 You look at who you're voting for and they either have the same policy or they get elected in office and completely change their policy to whatever the, you know, uniparty policy is. 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.000 So there's like you never actually see solutions from voting. 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.000 So there's a very low return on that investment of time and energy and whatever. 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:10.000 And I mean, this is where the mean like vote harder, vote harder next time like comes from. 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:19.000 Right. And, you know, my dad is a dyed in the wool conservative and like that's his that's his party. 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.000 That's his thing. Him and I have definitely butted heads on this. 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:30.000 And Bitcoin absolutely fuels the fire of voting doesn't matter. 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:32.000 Voting doesn't matter. Voting doesn't matter. 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:33.000 Voting doesn't matter. Voting doesn't matter. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:39.000 Until you start to really get into Bitcoin and start to really understand. 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.000 Wait a second. Running a node is voting. If I don't run a node, I'm not voting. 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:47.000 But I need to like then there's all these issues and policies that are happening on the Bitcoin network. 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.000 And if you're not running a node, you're not voting. You're not participating. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.000 It's just it's like the switch goes off in your head. 00:47:55.000 --> 00:48:02.000 Like, wait a second. The political discourse of that world and my world, they're just different political discourses. 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:08.000 And it's it's really fascinating. I mean, you know, there's a there's a lot to unpack there. 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:16.000 Probably way more in one episode. But. Man, that like relationship wise is like that. 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.000 There was a point where in my head it clicked. It was like, wait a second. 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.000 Oh, he's just in a different world than I am. 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:32.000 And there's no point in like having a heated debate or a discussion about this and trying to see eye to eye on something because we operate in different worlds. 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:40.000 That said, we probably deeply have the same convictions about very higher ideological things. 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:46.000 So, Bonner, would you say that it blew up the way that you see engagement with your community at large? 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.000 Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It is like. 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.000 Like, oh, man, there's so much to that question. 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:05.000 It takes. Bitcoin allows you to take ownership of your community and but it doesn't tell you that you can't. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.000 Right, because it's just a blind protocol or whatever. 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.000 Now, if you can take ownership of your community, will. 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:21.000 And you're growing an agency and you you're able to influence things like that's a whole different paradigm. 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:26.000 Like, yeah, you can go to the polls and vote and maybe maybe you guys get the person you want or maybe not. 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.000 And maybe they get corrupted when they get in office and maybe not like I don't know. 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:37.000 But I get to take ownership of my own like my own personal community and my agency is growing. 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.000 So I get to expand that community. 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.000 I get to have parties at my house. 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:44.000 I get to have barbecues. 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.000 I get to be influential in the people in my life. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:54.000 Like I get to have time to have a conversation with somebody as opposed to working a nine to five job or. 00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:01.000 Nine to nine job coming home and having 30 30 minutes with my kids and like not having any friends. 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.000 Right. There's a whole generation of people who basically just did that. 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:15.000 And look at like they're they're now ruined relationships, ruined friendships, ruined like family dynamics, all sorts of stuff. 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.000 And it's like all of the agency has been eroded for their entire life. 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:24.000 So does it like how does it how does it affect my interaction with like my community? 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.000 I get to take ownership. 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:32.000 And for all I know, I might be the first generation that's been able to take ownership for the last 100 years of my community. 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:38.000 I get to say how and when and why and how like just all of it. 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.000 I get to decide how my community is going to go. 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:43.000 And you kind of build on that. 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.000 I just kind of snowballs in this other thing where it's like we're doing a meet up now. 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:58.000 We're like and that is growing like there's real people that are really connecting and really making actual friends and actual actual community building. 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.000 And this happens and and it's not just us. 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.000 Right. Like as we're well aware, this is happening everywhere. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:14.000 This Bitcoin thing is has unbelievable staying power to completely change what community dynamics are and own all. 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:20.000 But basically just wrecking ball go all the way through all the way to the top of it's all grassroots. 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.000 But it goes all the way to the top. 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:24.000 Yeah. 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.000 Go ahead, JD. 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:37.000 One really quick thing on that was, you know, I've been thinking a lot about the chinks in the armor and kind of like how humanity circles the wagons around whatever in group is being attacked. 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.000 So if you are in an in group, you know, you see somebody in your in group get attacked. 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:52.000 You know, you kind of circle around them and like, you know, Hollywood's a perfect example of that is, you know, they circle around, you know, Cosby or Harvey Weinstein or whatever it is until they don't. 00:51:53.000 --> 00:52:05.000 And what's interesting, though, is Bitcoin's is really interesting kind of like virus where you can start throwing barbs at things like the Fed or whatever it is. 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:13.000 But this virus, after they've circled the wagons, can still kind of get in there because it's not a physical thing that you're trying to get in there. 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.000 It's an idea. And so because this idea is so. 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:22.000 Insatiable once it takes hold, you know, you just kind of have to go deeper. 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:38.000 Bitcoin completely ruins any and every political ideology because it forces you to actually go all the way to the root of it and be like, hang on, is the actual root of this thing valuable and viable? 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.000 And I think that's one of the coolest things is you kind of have to, you know, it forces you to confront. 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.000 Hang on a minute. Am I just doing this for a transaction or whatever it is? 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.000 And actually, I'll give an anecdote from today. 00:52:51.000 --> 00:53:05.000 I don't know if people are paying attention, but Palantir, one of the largest, you know, profiteers off of war, just had, I think, ten like six or ten of the largest shareholders sell like a huge stake in Palantir. 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.000 What that tells me is that the war hawks are losing. 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:24.000 What that tells me is that, you know, Trump and this current administration are winning the war war because they're not, you know, people who are inside and who are going to make money off of insider trading because that's literally what it is for Palantir and Boeing and all these other people. 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:28.000 They know there's no more war coming, which is so good for humanity. 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:40.000 But my belief would be it's people who are like hardcore Bitcoiners that are kind of in this in-group that kind of catch that bug and get this understanding like, hang on, like we need to change this. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.000 Like, I don't think we should ever not have great weapon systems. 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:52.000 I'm going off on too many tangents, but we should have great weapon systems, but we should have great weapon systems that are founded upon the idea of utopia. 00:53:53.000 --> 00:54:00.000 Because I do actually think utopia to a degree is possible in a Bitcoin standard, because all utopia means is everybody takes responsibility. 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:14.000 Yeah, the only other thing I was going to say on the community thing was the sense of individualism in America and arising in a fiat system that's increasingly breaking at the seams. 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:19.000 That sense of individualism becomes more and more antagonistic over time. 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:26.000 And what I love about Bitcoin, it ruined my sense of individualism as an American market actor, so to speak. 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:33.000 Bitcoin broke that sense of individualism and gave it back to me in a way that is a benefit to my community. 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:35.000 It's not antagonistic at all. 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:45.000 It's individualism that is to the benefit of your community, which is what you really need, because it allows you to be ambitious and to be voracious in your career and in your life. 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:54.000 So you're not collectivist, which is anti-human, but you're also not individualist to the expense of the people around you, which is also anti-human, right? 00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:56.000 Both ends of that spectrum are very bad. 00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:01.000 And I think one of the issues with political discourse right now is between those two things. 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:03.000 Individualism is the only good value. 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:04.000 Well, no, it's not. 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:05.000 It's not the only good value. 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:07.000 Collectivism is the only good value. 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:08.000 No, it's very anti-human. 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.000 But there is. 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:16.000 You need something that empowers the individual as a part of a community and in a mutually beneficial way. 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:17.000 And I think Bitcoin does that. 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:31.000 That's directly correlated with how Bitcoin ruined my relationship with my family, because Bitcoin ruined my ability to relate with my family financially in any way, shape or form that they would understand. 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:45.000 And so what that made me do is get even stauncher and more, you know, steadfast in my resolve to do the thing that I'm doing, which is like go full bore into Bitcoin, because I'm not just doing it for me. 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.000 I'm actually doing it for my entire family. 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:52.000 Like, I'm stacking for my mom and my dad and my brother and my nieces and nephews and all that. 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.000 Like, I'm stacking for them because they can't get out of their own way. 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.000 And so I've just realized I'm like, hey, these conversations are not valuable. 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:03.000 So what can I do insofar as it concerns me? 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.000 I can stack to protect them and myself. 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.000 And, you know, I need to protect my house first. 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:12.000 And help you as much as I can. 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:16.000 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:19.000 We're running low on time. 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.000 I know some of us have a hard stop here. 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.000 Yeah, I think we're coming up to the to the end. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:25.000 To the end. So any last. 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:27.000 Yeah. 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:28.000 Last words, last thoughts. 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:32.000 Good last topic. 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.000 I'll give my last thoughts first. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:43.000 Here we go. 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.000 All the bits. 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.000 I think my last take is. 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:50.000 Bitcoin. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:53.000 Bitcoin ruined my ability to ignore things. 00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:03.000 It forced me to come to an agreement with myself that doing nothing was never and is never the correct answer. 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.000 I always need to do something. 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:15.000 I can come to a decision where inaction is the correct decision, but no action at all is never the correct decision. 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.000 Yeah. 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:20.000 Very, very similar. 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:26.000 It ruined my understanding of my own time as being something expendable. 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:28.000 And now I see it as valuable. 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:33.000 And in turn, the time of everyone around me as exceedingly valuable and increasingly valuable. 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.000 And it gave an economic reality to that. 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:38.000 Yep. Ruined my. 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:43.000 Bitcoin ruined my ability to be like a fully private individual. 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.000 Right. 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:52.000 Once you see it, you realize that you have to do something, JD, as you're just saying. 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:53.000 You have to push. 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:54.000 You have to go forward. 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.000 You can't just let it let it all pass. 00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:58.000 Oh, yeah. 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.000 I'm just going to make money off this thing. 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:03.000 No, it's so much bigger than that. 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:08.000 All right. 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:12.000 Sounds like we've exhausted the topic. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.000 Good stuff. 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:14.000 Well, hey, thanks, y'all. 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.000 Thanks, everybody, for tuning in, and we'll see you next week. 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:19.000 Peace. 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.000 Bye.