WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.570 --> 00:00:01.320 Hey everyone. 00:00:01.470 --> 00:00:02.970 This week, Michelle is on vacation. 00:00:02.970 --> 00:00:04.800 So we're doing something a little bit different. 00:00:05.130 --> 00:00:09.180 We're republishing an episode of the hammer stone.dev podcast, 00:00:09.360 --> 00:00:12.210 which is the podcast about the business hammer stone that I talk 00:00:12.210 --> 00:00:14.250 about quite a lot on this podcast. 00:00:14.550 --> 00:00:17.460 It's a podcast with me and my co-founder Erin. 00:00:17.670 --> 00:00:19.080 It's a little more casual. 00:00:19.110 --> 00:00:22.140 We're usually just, um, hanging out and chatting. 00:00:22.380 --> 00:00:23.190 Hope you enjoy it. 00:00:24.634 --> 00:00:25.324 Hello, Colleen. 00:00:25.444 --> 00:00:26.284 Hello, Erin. 00:00:26.584 --> 00:00:31.144 We have very much to discuss cuz I think it's been like three weeks. 00:00:31.144 --> 00:00:33.004 Oh it, yeah, I think so. 00:00:33.724 --> 00:00:38.284 Because you were on vacation for a week, then I was on vacation the very next week. 00:00:38.584 --> 00:00:40.924 So maybe I think it has been three weeks, total. 00:00:41.074 --> 00:00:42.424 Yeah, quite a while. 00:00:42.784 --> 00:00:44.224 So a lot has happened. 00:00:44.434 --> 00:00:46.894 Uh, we've got a whole list here at the top. 00:00:46.894 --> 00:00:48.934 I wanna start with some tub stuff. 00:00:49.024 --> 00:00:53.914 Um, I know that you were on vacation, but we launched our first big 00:00:54.094 --> 00:00:56.334 marketing experiment that I was. 00:00:56.789 --> 00:01:01.079 Kind of in charge of which was the open source, uh, send an open 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:02.699 source developer on vacation. 00:01:03.209 --> 00:01:04.049 I saw that. 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:06.989 Yeah, it went great. 00:01:07.229 --> 00:01:07.499 Oh, that's awesome. 00:01:07.679 --> 00:01:08.489 It was amazing. 00:01:08.609 --> 00:01:09.479 Yeah, I was. 00:01:09.479 --> 00:01:13.529 So I was so just relieved that it went so well. 00:01:13.589 --> 00:01:18.659 Um, cuz I spent a ton of time working on like the social share images. 00:01:18.659 --> 00:01:18.689 Okay. 00:01:18.899 --> 00:01:23.159 So that on Twitter, everyone would get their own card 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:24.629 based on who they voted for. 00:01:25.219 --> 00:01:27.829 Can you explain that to me because I was on vacation and I 00:01:27.829 --> 00:01:29.359 didn't really follow all of that. 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:29.959 What happened? 00:01:30.029 --> 00:01:30.319 Yeah. 00:01:30.324 --> 00:01:30.379 Yeah. 00:01:30.379 --> 00:01:30.709 Yeah. 00:01:30.949 --> 00:01:35.779 So the, the whole, the whole deal is like you come to our site and you 00:01:36.169 --> 00:01:40.939 either nominate or vote for an open source developer to go on vacation. 00:01:40.939 --> 00:01:41.269 Right. 00:01:41.659 --> 00:01:45.949 So you'd come to the site and say like, I'm gonna vote for, um, Taylor 00:01:45.949 --> 00:01:48.739 Atwell, Adam wain, and somebody else. 00:01:49.069 --> 00:01:52.424 And then when you click like, Tweet. 00:01:52.424 --> 00:01:55.124 So then, you know, we do this confirmation that says, great, 00:01:55.124 --> 00:01:56.414 your votes have been counted. 00:01:56.414 --> 00:01:58.544 Do you wanna share it, click this button to tweet it. 00:01:58.904 --> 00:02:04.394 When you click that button, the social share image on Twitter includes 00:02:04.394 --> 00:02:05.864 the people that you voted for. 00:02:05.869 --> 00:02:06.704 Ah, yeah. 00:02:07.064 --> 00:02:11.084 So like on the card itself, it'll say I just voted for Taylor 00:02:11.084 --> 00:02:13.374 and Adam to go on vacation. 00:02:13.724 --> 00:02:15.074 Like you should go vote for somebody. 00:02:15.134 --> 00:02:17.384 And so if you scroll through, like, if. 00:02:18.029 --> 00:02:22.349 Open Twitter and search tool.app, and then just go to the live tab. 00:02:22.349 --> 00:02:24.959 So you see 'em all and you just scroll through. 00:02:25.169 --> 00:02:30.389 You'll see, just hundreds and hundreds of tweets with every card is like, uh, 00:02:30.419 --> 00:02:32.579 distinct based on who they voted for. 00:02:36.509 --> 00:02:36.569 Wow. 00:02:36.569 --> 00:02:36.721 Yeah, that is cool. 00:02:36.721 --> 00:02:37.199 Pretty, pretty cool. 00:02:38.164 --> 00:02:38.794 How'd you do that? 00:02:38.794 --> 00:02:43.474 So it's like a, it's like a native Twitter campaign almost right? 00:02:43.984 --> 00:02:46.594 Um, yeah, I did it with Netlify actually. 00:02:46.594 --> 00:02:50.734 So the images are generated on a Netlify like serverless function. 00:02:50.824 --> 00:02:57.514 Mm-hmm and then through some magic, like edge functions, we inject a 00:02:57.514 --> 00:02:59.954 little bit of code into the HTML. 00:03:00.364 --> 00:03:05.494 um, that changes the OG image based on like a, like a unique identifier. 00:03:05.554 --> 00:03:06.364 So very cool. 00:03:06.364 --> 00:03:07.024 All the links. 00:03:07.024 --> 00:03:07.354 Yeah. 00:03:07.354 --> 00:03:09.304 All the links point to the same page. 00:03:09.694 --> 00:03:13.054 Um, but every image is, is different based on who you voted. 00:03:13.204 --> 00:03:15.184 So pretty great. 00:03:15.244 --> 00:03:16.714 I was pretty thrilled. 00:03:16.774 --> 00:03:18.394 I was pretty thrilled with how it went. 00:03:18.394 --> 00:03:23.014 It kind of took over Twitter for like two or three days and yeah, it was great. 00:03:23.014 --> 00:03:23.884 Ben was thrilled. 00:03:23.884 --> 00:03:25.024 Everyone on the team was thrilled. 00:03:25.024 --> 00:03:25.744 We still have a lot. 00:03:26.294 --> 00:03:28.034 Still have a lot of like, work to do there. 00:03:28.034 --> 00:03:31.454 Cause we still have to, you know, actually send the people on vacation 00:03:31.544 --> 00:03:35.474 mm-hmm um, which is gonna be a lot of logistics work, but the, the 00:03:35.474 --> 00:03:37.214 super fun part went really well. 00:03:37.214 --> 00:03:38.564 So I'm pumped about that. 00:03:38.624 --> 00:03:39.704 Nicely done. 00:03:39.914 --> 00:03:40.304 Very cool. 00:03:40.304 --> 00:03:40.664 Yeah. 00:03:40.664 --> 00:03:41.264 Thanks. 00:03:41.624 --> 00:03:42.254 Feels good. 00:03:42.254 --> 00:03:47.444 Feels good to have my first like big public thing go really well. 00:03:47.474 --> 00:03:47.764 Yeah. 00:03:48.549 --> 00:03:52.719 Especially after like, I don't know, um, two months of like working behind the 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:57.129 scenes on stuff and to finally be like, no, no, no, really look, this works. 00:03:57.429 --> 00:03:59.019 Um, that felt really good. 00:03:59.259 --> 00:04:00.969 So that was great. 00:04:01.549 --> 00:04:06.079 Uh, in other triple news, This is also good news. 00:04:06.079 --> 00:04:08.299 It's gonna sound like it's not, but it's also very good news. 00:04:08.299 --> 00:04:10.369 I'm now halftime at two. 00:04:10.549 --> 00:04:10.609 Yay. 00:04:11.689 --> 00:04:17.059 So, yeah, so, um, I've been feeling for a while, like, 00:04:17.449 --> 00:04:18.799 you know, work working at two. 00:04:19.309 --> 00:04:23.209 Um, I was responsible for like all of the marketing and. 00:04:24.584 --> 00:04:28.124 You know, the original job application or job posting was 00:04:28.124 --> 00:04:33.554 like, come do like developer stuff that also happens to be marketing. 00:04:33.794 --> 00:04:35.054 And I was like, yeah, that sounds great. 00:04:35.414 --> 00:04:38.174 And then it kind of just like happened that everything marketing 00:04:38.174 --> 00:04:40.844 related got shifted over to me. 00:04:41.144 --> 00:04:46.304 And so I was doing all of this like standard marketing work that I'm just not. 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:47.599 Good at. 00:04:47.659 --> 00:04:52.979 Um, and I like more importantly, I don't want to take my career towards standard 00:04:53.569 --> 00:04:57.499 marketing and there, there are people who are really, really good at that stuff. 00:04:57.799 --> 00:05:01.999 Um, and so I, you know, I've been talking to Ben all along 00:05:01.999 --> 00:05:03.889 and he's just incredibly like. 00:05:04.254 --> 00:05:07.764 Um, gracious and helpful in this whole process, he was always 00:05:07.764 --> 00:05:08.994 asking like, how are you feeling? 00:05:08.994 --> 00:05:10.194 Like, what are you working on? 00:05:10.194 --> 00:05:11.124 Do you enjoy it? 00:05:11.124 --> 00:05:14.064 And it finally got to the point where it's like, you know, I'm doing 00:05:14.064 --> 00:05:18.504 a ton of pure marketing work that I don't feel like I'm that good at. 00:05:18.509 --> 00:05:21.024 And I don't want to spend my career doing. 00:05:21.024 --> 00:05:22.704 And I think people would be better served. 00:05:23.344 --> 00:05:26.914 If you had like a pure marketer, like a head of marketing that 00:05:26.914 --> 00:05:28.294 was doing all of this stuff. 00:05:28.594 --> 00:05:32.794 Um, and so we, you know, we talked about it over the course of many weeks and 00:05:32.794 --> 00:05:38.134 decided like, yeah, I think I, I think I, Erin should be doing more of the develop, 00:05:38.139 --> 00:05:42.664 the pure developer stuff, and someone else should be doing the pure marketing stuff. 00:05:42.694 --> 00:05:45.364 And so we decided great. 00:05:45.364 --> 00:05:50.104 Let's like, let's keep the band together, but I don't think that's a full time job. 00:05:50.134 --> 00:05:50.764 And. 00:05:51.184 --> 00:05:55.324 So I'm gonna just like, just do the developer marketing stuff 00:05:55.324 --> 00:05:58.294 for them and just like halftime. 00:05:58.324 --> 00:06:01.144 So kind of worked out great for everybody. 00:06:01.174 --> 00:06:06.034 Cause I think tubal really does need, um, somebody that's more marketing than I am. 00:06:06.184 --> 00:06:10.084 Um, but I really like working with them and I love this 00:06:10.084 --> 00:06:11.464 kind of stuff that I'm doing. 00:06:11.464 --> 00:06:13.654 So I think it's gonna work out great, Erin. 00:06:14.044 --> 00:06:15.004 This is the dream. 00:06:15.069 --> 00:06:15.159 Right. 00:06:15.159 --> 00:06:15.219 Yeah. 00:06:17.139 --> 00:06:17.409 It's time. 00:06:17.409 --> 00:06:18.029 Job's great. 00:06:18.029 --> 00:06:18.699 Yeah, it really is. 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:20.049 I mean, this is perfect. 00:06:20.349 --> 00:06:21.099 Yeah, it is perfect. 00:06:21.099 --> 00:06:25.869 And you know, Ben and I talked about hammer stone and I I've told him from 00:06:25.869 --> 00:06:29.619 the very beginning it's, you know, at some point I would like to be on my own. 00:06:29.619 --> 00:06:32.029 And so he's known that all along and. 00:06:33.049 --> 00:06:36.379 Like, I just think there's a really great opportunity here for me 00:06:36.379 --> 00:06:42.019 to do a bunch of stuff publicly, um, and build cool stuff, Fortu. 00:06:42.289 --> 00:06:47.629 And then in the other half of that time build cool stuff, uh, for hammer 00:06:47.629 --> 00:06:49.459 stone and like, yeah, it's not. 00:06:50.169 --> 00:06:51.279 In a weird way. 00:06:51.549 --> 00:06:56.859 If I, I wanna talk about LA after, but like, if I speak at LA that's 00:06:56.859 --> 00:07:00.549 like good for two, two, you know, if I, you know, I'm going to this 00:07:00.549 --> 00:07:04.569 conference in Amsterdam for a PHP thing, and if I go there and speak. 00:07:05.179 --> 00:07:06.139 About PHP. 00:07:06.139 --> 00:07:07.819 Like that's good for 2.2. 00:07:07.819 --> 00:07:11.479 And so I feel like this is the best of, best of both, both worlds things. 00:07:11.809 --> 00:07:13.069 So I'm, I'm super pumped. 00:07:13.099 --> 00:07:13.429 Yeah. 00:07:13.429 --> 00:07:15.409 This seems like the perfect setup. 00:07:15.649 --> 00:07:16.459 Totally agree. 00:07:16.459 --> 00:07:20.139 Best of both worlds, you have a part-time job to provide you a stable income. 00:07:21.409 --> 00:07:25.219 and then you have the rest of your time to really dive in and do a lot of the hammer 00:07:25.219 --> 00:07:26.629 stone stuff you've been wanting to do. 00:07:27.049 --> 00:07:27.499 Totally. 00:07:27.679 --> 00:07:32.239 And I think one of the things that I've like as I was doing a lot of this 00:07:32.449 --> 00:07:36.859 tube work and like talking through everything along the way with Ben, 00:07:37.219 --> 00:07:41.689 um, one of the things that I realized was like, I want to be doing more of. 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:44.829 Like the hardcore technical stuff. 00:07:45.129 --> 00:07:50.649 Um, and that's, that's like one of the things that I found interesting was, you 00:07:50.649 --> 00:07:55.869 know, Ben was offering me the ability to grow into the head of marketing. 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:57.939 Like he was like, you can do this. 00:07:57.944 --> 00:08:02.049 And if, if you want, if you want to do it, I will help you get there. 00:08:02.109 --> 00:08:04.899 And you will end up with a team of marketers underneath you, 00:08:04.899 --> 00:08:06.999 and you will be the boss, which. 00:08:07.619 --> 00:08:08.909 Incredibly flattering. 00:08:09.029 --> 00:08:14.009 Um, very kind, but I realized that's not like that's not where I want end up. 00:08:14.309 --> 00:08:16.289 Like, I don't want to end up as the head of marketing. 00:08:16.289 --> 00:08:18.479 I want to get more and more. 00:08:18.809 --> 00:08:22.829 Um, so yeah, I, I think that's been a good realization for me. 00:08:22.949 --> 00:08:25.809 Um, so yeah, that's, that's the big breaking news. 00:08:26.029 --> 00:08:27.329 Oh, that's amazing news. 00:08:27.329 --> 00:08:28.479 I'm so happy for you. 00:08:28.869 --> 00:08:29.889 Yeah, thanks. 00:08:29.919 --> 00:08:30.819 It's gonna be great. 00:08:31.119 --> 00:08:32.499 Yeah, I think so. 00:08:32.649 --> 00:08:35.919 So, um, I guess this is the big announcement. 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:37.719 I mean, I haven't said anything on Twitter. 00:08:37.809 --> 00:08:43.989 Um, surprise but yeah, so I think, you know, obviously. 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:49.109 Um, I'll need to make up the money, you know, cuz now I'm half time at two. 00:08:49.499 --> 00:08:50.129 Um right. 00:08:50.549 --> 00:08:53.219 Hopefully that will all come from hammer stone eventually. 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:59.129 But in the meantime, I'm also taking on a few, like I really wanna focus 00:08:59.134 --> 00:09:04.949 on Lael performance, um, in including database and application side, both. 00:09:05.069 --> 00:09:08.909 And so I'm taking on a few Lael performance consulting 00:09:08.909 --> 00:09:10.529 engagements, so awesome. 00:09:10.529 --> 00:09:12.569 Anybody out there needs help with their. 00:09:12.954 --> 00:09:14.574 Performance in their Laville app. 00:09:14.814 --> 00:09:16.404 Let me nice. 00:09:17.424 --> 00:09:19.434 So enough about me. 00:09:19.824 --> 00:09:20.694 What's going on over there. 00:09:20.694 --> 00:09:21.594 How was your vacation? 00:09:21.924 --> 00:09:22.884 Oh, it was so good. 00:09:23.184 --> 00:09:25.194 So I'm a lifelong east coaster. 00:09:25.194 --> 00:09:29.214 So I have never been to lake Tahoe, but if you live in California, like everyone out 00:09:29.214 --> 00:09:31.884 here has been there before it is stunning. 00:09:32.274 --> 00:09:34.254 I mean, it was just, yeah, it was amazing. 00:09:34.254 --> 00:09:37.104 It's like a lake perfectly clear. 00:09:37.429 --> 00:09:41.809 Like 50 feet down with like snow capped mountains in the background. 00:09:42.439 --> 00:09:43.819 It was really nice. 00:09:44.029 --> 00:09:45.169 We had great sounds pretty great. 00:09:45.619 --> 00:09:45.739 Good. 00:09:45.739 --> 00:09:46.039 Yeah. 00:09:46.309 --> 00:09:50.989 Now I know why people like go to the mountains to like, feel creative, right? 00:09:50.989 --> 00:09:55.139 Like you just get out of your environment and you're like, I really wanted to work. 00:09:55.229 --> 00:09:56.399 Like I'm not gonna lie. 00:09:57.389 --> 00:10:00.809 I was like, wow, I'm feeling so inspired and creative out here in the mountains. 00:10:00.839 --> 00:10:01.079 Yeah. 00:10:01.079 --> 00:10:02.789 So did you come back full of ideas? 00:10:03.089 --> 00:10:06.479 I did come back full of ideas, so it was great. 00:10:06.509 --> 00:10:08.129 It was, it was really relaxing. 00:10:08.134 --> 00:10:09.089 I'm glad we did it. 00:10:09.509 --> 00:10:10.559 Um, we had a wonderful time. 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:11.849 Oh, I have a story. 00:10:12.209 --> 00:10:15.049 Tell me, so we are in an Airbnb. 00:10:15.529 --> 00:10:19.819 And we, we went with some of our friends, so there was actually, um, two 00:10:19.819 --> 00:10:21.889 other families that we met up there. 00:10:21.889 --> 00:10:25.279 So they 4, 8, 11 kids total. 00:10:26.269 --> 00:10:26.329 Whew. 00:10:26.424 --> 00:10:30.379 yeah, we did not all stay together, which I think is the key to 00:10:30.384 --> 00:10:34.489 vacationing with friends is, um, stay in your own house, but. 00:10:35.004 --> 00:10:38.454 We're in this suburban neighborhood, we have an Airbnb. 00:10:39.294 --> 00:10:43.824 And in your like check-in documents, there's a whole page about bears, 00:10:44.124 --> 00:10:47.904 but you're like, nah, I gotta really have to worry about bears. 00:10:47.904 --> 00:10:48.204 Right. 00:10:48.924 --> 00:10:50.005 It's not gonna happen to me. 00:10:50.005 --> 00:10:50.006 Yeah. 00:10:50.006 --> 00:10:50.134 It's not gonna happen to me. 00:10:50.869 --> 00:10:51.889 I am not kidding. 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:54.649 We come home from the grocery store. 00:10:54.829 --> 00:10:56.029 We're in a neighborhood. 00:10:56.089 --> 00:11:02.599 It is the middle of the day, pull into the driveway and my friend's car, which is 00:11:02.604 --> 00:11:04.669 parked right next to us in the driveway. 00:11:04.909 --> 00:11:05.989 Look over. 00:11:06.359 --> 00:11:11.309 And there is a bear that has broken the window of their truck in their car. 00:11:11.969 --> 00:11:12.269 What? 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:14.549 I know it broke the window. 00:11:14.939 --> 00:11:15.959 Oh geez. 00:11:17.609 --> 00:11:18.150 It was crazy. 00:11:18.150 --> 00:11:18.152 That's aggressive. 00:11:18.152 --> 00:11:18.169 It was. 00:11:18.359 --> 00:11:18.539 Yeah. 00:11:18.539 --> 00:11:21.239 And then we're in the car and it's like the bear's right there. 00:11:21.244 --> 00:11:24.929 And the first thought is like, If the bear can break that window, the bear 00:11:24.929 --> 00:11:26.999 could probably break this window. 00:11:27.389 --> 00:11:27.719 Anyway. 00:11:27.719 --> 00:11:28.859 It was a lot of excitement. 00:11:29.249 --> 00:11:29.759 Geez. 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:30.419 That's terrifying. 00:11:30.419 --> 00:11:33.419 I've never heard a story of a bear breaking into a car. 00:11:33.479 --> 00:11:34.649 I gotta send you a picture. 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.839 Like it, it was, yeah, please do wild. 00:11:36.839 --> 00:11:38.399 And they claim so that the. 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.979 The people who, the friends that own the car, they have like little kids, so they 00:11:41.979 --> 00:11:45.069 didn't leave any food in the car, but you know, you got like pretzels and goldfish 00:11:45.069 --> 00:11:46.659 in the car seat and all that stuff. 00:11:46.959 --> 00:11:51.429 So we assumed that bear smelled that stuff, but broke the window 00:11:51.489 --> 00:11:52.719 butt hanging outta the car. 00:11:53.109 --> 00:11:54.129 It was, it was wild. 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:54.880 It was terrifying. 00:11:54.880 --> 00:11:55.569 It was wild. 00:11:55.574 --> 00:12:01.089 Like, and I had the baby, not the babies, but I had like the little kids with me, 00:12:01.089 --> 00:12:03.039 three little kids, like five and under. 00:12:03.984 --> 00:12:06.264 We were gonna go for a walk with popsicles. 00:12:06.264 --> 00:12:10.104 And I was like, I don't know if I can protect three kids from a bear at once. 00:12:10.284 --> 00:12:10.374 Nope. 00:12:10.464 --> 00:12:11.094 Maybe we should. 00:12:11.094 --> 00:12:13.134 I don't know if you can protect one kid from a bear. 00:12:13.254 --> 00:12:17.934 Colleen . So that was wild bears are pretty strong. 00:12:20.154 --> 00:12:21.264 that was pretty wild. 00:12:21.264 --> 00:12:25.224 I, I don't know that I've ever been that close to a bear in my life. 00:12:25.554 --> 00:12:25.614 Yeah. 00:12:25.614 --> 00:12:27.474 So definitely not a lot. 00:12:27.474 --> 00:12:29.154 That was, that was a, that was a crazy day. 00:12:29.544 --> 00:12:30.354 How was the beach? 00:12:30.384 --> 00:12:31.464 What beach did you go to? 00:12:31.524 --> 00:12:32.574 Like beach was great. 00:12:32.579 --> 00:12:32.694 We. 00:12:33.344 --> 00:12:35.294 to some beach in Florida. 00:12:35.444 --> 00:12:37.274 Um, oh, you flew with my wife's family. 00:12:37.634 --> 00:12:39.684 We flew with the twins, with the babies. 00:12:39.794 --> 00:12:40.084 Yeah. 00:12:40.334 --> 00:12:41.204 With the babies. 00:12:41.624 --> 00:12:45.284 Um, it is hard work vacationing with kids. 00:12:45.404 --> 00:12:45.644 Oh yeah. 00:12:45.649 --> 00:12:46.184 It is. 00:12:46.604 --> 00:12:48.104 It is hard, man. 00:12:48.109 --> 00:12:49.094 We had a ton of fun. 00:12:49.364 --> 00:12:49.454 Yeah. 00:12:49.484 --> 00:12:54.314 Um, but you know, we've done this trip before with no kids and boy howdy. 00:12:54.314 --> 00:12:55.754 It is a lot. 00:12:56.194 --> 00:12:58.054 Lot harder with kids. 00:12:58.504 --> 00:12:58.744 Yeah. 00:12:58.744 --> 00:13:03.244 I mean the naps, the eating all the time, kids just eat like six 00:13:03.244 --> 00:13:09.004 times a day and then the sunscreen and the sand and the sun on a baby. 00:13:09.694 --> 00:13:10.084 Yeah. 00:13:10.084 --> 00:13:12.124 It's like, what is this worth it? 00:13:12.304 --> 00:13:17.229 Um, so it was fun, but yeah, it was, uh, It's hard work. 00:13:17.259 --> 00:13:17.649 Yeah. 00:13:17.649 --> 00:13:20.589 I remember those days, especially when they're little 00:13:20.589 --> 00:13:22.989 like, oh, it's a lot a hustle. 00:13:23.109 --> 00:13:23.799 It's a lot of hustle. 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:27.849 We, we like to distinguish between vacations and family trips. 00:13:28.239 --> 00:13:28.809 Yes. 00:13:28.869 --> 00:13:30.159 This was a family trip, right? 00:13:30.219 --> 00:13:30.699 For sure. 00:13:30.729 --> 00:13:31.419 Family trip. 00:13:31.809 --> 00:13:32.319 So. 00:13:33.069 --> 00:13:34.149 While I was there. 00:13:34.869 --> 00:13:37.089 Um, this is quick while I was there. 00:13:37.089 --> 00:13:41.229 I launched version one of single store for Lago. 00:13:41.229 --> 00:13:42.039 Ooh, congratulations. 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:43.479 Um, thank you. 00:13:43.839 --> 00:13:45.249 So I, I tagged it. 00:13:45.249 --> 00:13:48.309 I mean, I had launched, we'd released it a while back, but 00:13:48.309 --> 00:13:49.869 I finally tagged version one. 00:13:49.869 --> 00:13:51.429 So that went super well. 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:55.629 Um, so I'm thrilled with that wrote a quick start blog post 00:13:55.629 --> 00:13:57.309 for them, put it on their site. 00:13:57.744 --> 00:14:02.424 Um, so that's one of the long running things I've been working on. 00:14:02.424 --> 00:14:04.344 And 1.0 is out the door. 00:14:04.704 --> 00:14:04.734 Congrat. 00:14:05.484 --> 00:14:06.114 Yeah. 00:14:06.114 --> 00:14:06.804 Thanks. 00:14:06.804 --> 00:14:08.694 Feeling, feeling good about that. 00:14:09.024 --> 00:14:16.074 And then, um, one other thing I wanna talk about is my new YouTube studio. 00:14:16.344 --> 00:14:16.884 Oh yes. 00:14:16.884 --> 00:14:18.624 Tell me, tell me about this. 00:14:18.624 --> 00:14:20.334 So I think we had talked. 00:14:21.014 --> 00:14:26.174 Maybe last time making more videos, um, like live streaming 00:14:26.174 --> 00:14:32.684 and making videos for refine and basically just being more public. 00:14:32.684 --> 00:14:35.144 And now, now that I have the time. 00:14:35.984 --> 00:14:39.164 I've set up like a full on YouTube studio in here. 00:14:39.164 --> 00:14:43.964 And so the plan is I'm gonna like start doing live streaming stuff that I already 00:14:43.969 --> 00:14:48.914 needed to do, like building the demo site for hammer stone, that kind of stuff. 00:14:48.974 --> 00:14:52.664 Um, but just do it live and then I will also do. 00:14:53.074 --> 00:14:56.854 I will also start doing some Lael YouTube videos. 00:14:56.944 --> 00:15:00.874 Um, because I think there's just, there's just a lot of opportunity there. 00:15:00.874 --> 00:15:06.784 I mean, it, I, I watched a whole bunch of videos on Lael on YouTube and there 00:15:06.784 --> 00:15:09.754 are some, like, there are some really good ones, but I, I just think there's 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:11.974 so many topics that aren't covered. 00:15:12.334 --> 00:15:17.369 Um, and aren't covered well, It would be something that I could, I could tackle. 00:15:17.369 --> 00:15:19.769 So got a couple of like soft boxes. 00:15:19.769 --> 00:15:21.809 I got a real DSLR camera. 00:15:22.259 --> 00:15:24.029 Um, yeah, I'm all set up. 00:15:24.029 --> 00:15:24.629 I'm ready to go. 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:25.709 I'm ready to start recording. 00:15:25.949 --> 00:15:27.509 Wait, I wanna hear more about your setup. 00:15:27.509 --> 00:15:28.589 So is this a new camera? 00:15:29.129 --> 00:15:30.149 This is a new camera. 00:15:30.449 --> 00:15:33.249 So this is a can M 50 camera. 00:15:33.509 --> 00:15:33.799 Okay. 00:15:33.809 --> 00:15:40.529 Um, so it's a DSLR that's hooked into, um, the El Gato 4k cam link. 00:15:40.589 --> 00:15:41.039 So it's. 00:15:41.824 --> 00:15:44.314 HDM I straight outta the camera into the computer. 00:15:44.674 --> 00:15:48.034 Then on either side, I've got these big light boxes. 00:15:48.394 --> 00:15:48.934 Um, oh. 00:15:49.294 --> 00:15:51.604 And then in front of me, I have a ring light. 00:15:51.604 --> 00:15:56.674 So if I turn off, if I turn off these light boxes, you can see it gets a lot. 00:15:57.004 --> 00:15:57.424 Oh, wow. 00:15:57.424 --> 00:15:59.434 The difference is quite extreme. 00:16:00.064 --> 00:16:00.454 Yeah. 00:16:00.514 --> 00:16:02.944 That's kind of what you would expect on a, on a call. 00:16:02.944 --> 00:16:06.094 And then if I turn them back on, it looks like I'm a YouTuber. 00:16:06.274 --> 00:16:06.634 It does. 00:16:06.694 --> 00:16:08.254 Um, it's weird, right? 00:16:08.254 --> 00:16:08.554 Yeah. 00:16:08.554 --> 00:16:09.004 It's super. 00:16:09.889 --> 00:16:11.809 And then I have a light behind me. 00:16:11.809 --> 00:16:11.839 Okay. 00:16:11.989 --> 00:16:16.849 Um, pointed down at my head that kind of fills, like fills 00:16:16.849 --> 00:16:18.199 the background a little bit. 00:16:18.589 --> 00:16:22.039 And then a ring light right in front of me that like fills me. 00:16:22.044 --> 00:16:23.059 So you have four lights, a little more. 00:16:23.479 --> 00:16:23.989 Yeah. 00:16:24.349 --> 00:16:26.359 Where do you put the ring light on top of your monitor? 00:16:26.749 --> 00:16:30.409 Um, it's hooked, it's mounted on the desk and it has a pole that stands 00:16:30.409 --> 00:16:31.609 up and it's behind the monitor. 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:33.949 So you really put some effort into this? 00:16:34.189 --> 00:16:35.479 Oh yeah, I did. 00:16:35.839 --> 00:16:36.919 Yeah, I really did. 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:41.629 I thought this is something, I mean, one it's fun, but two, like, I feel 00:16:41.629 --> 00:16:43.519 like, how do I say this nicely? 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.459 I feel like a lot of the videos on YouTube developer videos are 00:16:46.459 --> 00:16:47.659 just kind of thrown together. 00:16:47.719 --> 00:16:48.019 Right. 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:50.089 And if you go watch like. 00:16:50.644 --> 00:16:55.384 I don't know, personal finance or, you know, marketing videos or any 00:16:55.384 --> 00:16:56.944 of these other niches on YouTube. 00:16:57.364 --> 00:17:01.114 Um, they're like really well done so much better and really sharp. 00:17:01.444 --> 00:17:03.634 And I thought why I could do some of that. 00:17:03.634 --> 00:17:08.104 Like, I'm not gonna become a expert video maker, but I 00:17:08.104 --> 00:17:09.394 could step it up a little bit. 00:17:09.454 --> 00:17:10.054 I like it. 00:17:10.054 --> 00:17:12.394 So does the new camera do the blurred background? 00:17:12.754 --> 00:17:13.024 Yeah. 00:17:13.024 --> 00:17:15.844 So the new camera, um, I have a. 00:17:16.554 --> 00:17:18.564 A, I got a new lens for it. 00:17:18.624 --> 00:17:19.164 Um, okay. 00:17:19.434 --> 00:17:21.384 That makes the background blurry. 00:17:21.384 --> 00:17:25.284 So it's a really low F stop, I think is how you say it. 00:17:25.289 --> 00:17:28.944 And so it's focused, like whatever it focuses on. 00:17:29.064 --> 00:17:29.514 Woo. 00:17:30.204 --> 00:17:32.724 Everything else is just super out of focus. 00:17:33.444 --> 00:17:34.194 Isn't that crazy? 00:17:34.224 --> 00:17:35.154 That is crazy. 00:17:35.574 --> 00:17:36.114 Yeah. 00:17:36.204 --> 00:17:39.184 So it's like, This is all straight outta the camera. 00:17:39.184 --> 00:17:41.644 So there's no like AI processing or whatever. 00:17:41.644 --> 00:17:43.594 So it doesn't ever get wonky or anything. 00:17:43.894 --> 00:17:46.174 How much did, how much did the whole setup cost? 00:17:46.444 --> 00:17:46.804 Ish. 00:17:46.834 --> 00:17:48.364 A lot of money calling a lot of money. 00:17:48.454 --> 00:17:49.924 It costs, it costs a lot of money. 00:17:50.674 --> 00:17:53.884 yeah, I think the camera was like five or $600. 00:17:54.034 --> 00:17:54.254 Wow. 00:17:54.814 --> 00:17:55.294 Oh yeah. 00:17:55.294 --> 00:17:56.825 It's a, oh, I idea idea. 00:17:56.944 --> 00:17:59.134 It's like a, it's a can camera. 00:17:59.134 --> 00:18:00.634 I mean, it's a DSLR camera. 00:18:00.634 --> 00:18:00.694 Wow. 00:18:01.684 --> 00:18:04.264 Um, and the lens was a couple hundred as well. 00:18:04.999 --> 00:18:06.619 And then all the lights and everything. 00:18:06.619 --> 00:18:06.859 Yeah. 00:18:06.859 --> 00:18:07.729 It's expensive. 00:18:07.789 --> 00:18:08.149 Yeah. 00:18:08.209 --> 00:18:09.349 No, you look very crisp. 00:18:09.829 --> 00:18:10.339 Like, thanks. 00:18:10.909 --> 00:18:11.869 It's it's good. 00:18:11.869 --> 00:18:12.589 You feel very crisp. 00:18:12.649 --> 00:18:13.099 Yeah. 00:18:13.309 --> 00:18:13.999 It's good. 00:18:14.329 --> 00:18:14.779 Wow. 00:18:14.784 --> 00:18:15.519 That's exciting. 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:16.459 Oh man. 00:18:16.459 --> 00:18:17.869 Yeah, that'll be fun. 00:18:18.199 --> 00:18:21.469 So look forward to many, many YouTube videos. 00:18:21.529 --> 00:18:28.369 Um, hopefully as I, as I, uh, recoup that cost over over the tens of 00:18:28.369 --> 00:18:30.199 cents I will make off of YouTube. 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:31.819 All right, let's talk. 00:18:31.879 --> 00:18:33.979 Uh, what do you wanna talk about rails? 00:18:34.534 --> 00:18:36.214 Talk about your call that you had? 00:18:36.364 --> 00:18:39.274 Well, let's talk about the Lael sale first, because that also 00:18:39.274 --> 00:18:40.654 happened while I was on vacation. 00:18:40.999 --> 00:18:42.739 That happened while I was on vacation too. 00:18:43.009 --> 00:18:43.249 Oh, fun. 00:18:43.309 --> 00:18:44.479 Um, yeah. 00:18:44.479 --> 00:18:49.459 So there's a guy in Laville that I'm friends with boss, man, Chris, and 00:18:49.459 --> 00:18:54.799 he's been waiting for react to be ready and, you know, it's all open sourced. 00:18:54.804 --> 00:18:57.619 And so he is, I guess, been watching it or heard, heard us talk about it 00:18:57.619 --> 00:19:01.429 on the podcast or something and was like, Hey, what if I just buy it? 00:19:01.459 --> 00:19:02.089 And he bought it. 00:19:02.089 --> 00:19:05.659 He just, he just bought the back end because he heard react was. 00:19:06.414 --> 00:19:08.274 And then sent me an email and was like, Hey, I can't figure 00:19:08.274 --> 00:19:09.084 out how to get it set up. 00:19:09.089 --> 00:19:11.484 And I was like, wait, did you already buy it? 00:19:12.414 --> 00:19:17.304 um, and he had, and so I sent him an email back that was like, here's usually, 00:19:17.304 --> 00:19:19.674 I would try to get on a call with you to help you with this, but since you 00:19:19.674 --> 00:19:21.654 already bought it, which is amazing. 00:19:21.659 --> 00:19:22.254 Thank you. 00:19:22.674 --> 00:19:24.774 Um, here's you know how I would do it? 00:19:25.324 --> 00:19:29.074 And then I said, let's get on a call and I can walk you through even more of it. 00:19:29.434 --> 00:19:33.214 Um, and I haven't heard back from yet, so either he got it set up and is thrilled 00:19:33.214 --> 00:19:35.554 or he's moved on to something else. 00:19:35.554 --> 00:19:37.444 So I'll reach out to him again. 00:19:37.444 --> 00:19:43.504 But yeah, he just like heard the react one was ready and bought the PHP one and 00:19:43.774 --> 00:19:46.354 did it all himself, which is pretty great. 00:19:46.984 --> 00:19:47.794 That's amazing. 00:19:47.824 --> 00:19:48.394 Love it. 00:19:49.214 --> 00:19:49.814 I know. 00:19:50.174 --> 00:19:52.274 So we made another sale, which is good. 00:19:52.604 --> 00:19:57.314 Um, and I need to, I need to finish, I need to Polish up some of the react stuff. 00:19:57.314 --> 00:20:01.904 Dave has gotten some more stuff done there, including browser tests, 00:20:01.909 --> 00:20:03.524 which is gonna be really nice. 00:20:03.584 --> 00:20:06.854 Um, so yeah, react is ready. 00:20:07.184 --> 00:20:07.604 It's all. 00:20:07.604 --> 00:20:08.234 It's all we made a sale. 00:20:09.374 --> 00:20:10.064 Yay. 00:20:10.124 --> 00:20:10.844 That's wonderful. 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:16.799 So I had a call yesterday with, um, an analytics company that is very interested. 00:20:16.949 --> 00:20:22.059 Mm-hmm analytics companies are tough because they have such 00:20:22.439 --> 00:20:25.949 complicated requirements when they look at segmenting their user base. 00:20:26.249 --> 00:20:26.459 Right. 00:20:26.909 --> 00:20:28.829 And it was in Dutch, by the way. 00:20:28.859 --> 00:20:29.669 Did I share that part? 00:20:29.999 --> 00:20:34.259 so you did not, I mean, they spoke English perfectly, but like okay, good. 00:20:34.289 --> 00:20:36.089 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, the interface was all good. 00:20:36.089 --> 00:20:38.459 We were able to communicate no problem, but. 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:43.139 It was kind of funny cuz they were trying to show me what they had, not in English. 00:20:43.529 --> 00:20:47.159 So yeah, that was, that was an added fun layer. 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.099 And so I think it went really well. 00:20:50.609 --> 00:20:53.759 They, um, they seemed really excited about it. 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:55.529 Something they're very interested in. 00:20:55.884 --> 00:21:00.954 They, uh, their CTO wanted to kind of put together a few more specific 00:21:00.954 --> 00:21:04.734 questions about the tech, because what they're doing now is they're doing the 00:21:04.734 --> 00:21:09.084 same thing our client is doing, where they're pulling a list of IDs from one 00:21:09.084 --> 00:21:11.604 query and putting it into another query. 00:21:12.174 --> 00:21:16.194 So we do that for our client because it's actually two different databases. 00:21:16.254 --> 00:21:17.634 Mm-hmm , but they do that. 00:21:18.529 --> 00:21:21.169 they said it's faster quizzical look on my face. 00:21:21.169 --> 00:21:21.499 Right. 00:21:22.409 --> 00:21:26.989 So that was an interesting, uh, I thought that was an interesting 00:21:26.989 --> 00:21:30.469 assertion, but I think he has mm-hmm my understanding from our call 00:21:30.469 --> 00:21:33.169 was he has like a database person. 00:21:33.229 --> 00:21:37.159 So the next step with them is they're gonna send me some questions and, um, 00:21:37.164 --> 00:21:41.479 maybe sit down, maybe we'll sit down with their database person to kind 00:21:41.479 --> 00:21:43.549 of more fully understand their needs. 00:21:43.819 --> 00:21:45.859 They're very interested in this concept. 00:21:46.624 --> 00:21:50.944 The nested inline filters, which is something we have talked about for a 00:21:50.944 --> 00:21:53.794 while, uh, but is a big lift for us. 00:21:53.944 --> 00:21:55.414 So they're very interested in that. 00:21:55.414 --> 00:21:56.284 They think that would be great. 00:21:56.284 --> 00:21:56.464 I mean, you. 00:21:57.799 --> 00:21:59.819 I think it's important to remember. 00:22:00.529 --> 00:22:03.649 So this nested inline filter concept is this concept of 00:22:03.649 --> 00:22:05.299 you're on the contacts page. 00:22:05.299 --> 00:22:09.579 And you want all contacts who have purchased products that meet a specific 00:22:09.889 --> 00:22:14.959 product filter mm-hmm . And you wanna build that out all on the same page, but 00:22:15.169 --> 00:22:17.569 I think in many of our use cases like. 00:22:17.989 --> 00:22:22.579 I can make custom conditions or they can make custom conditions 00:22:22.579 --> 00:22:24.499 that meet a lot of their needs. 00:22:24.739 --> 00:22:25.519 I think so. 00:22:25.879 --> 00:22:27.199 Like I don't, I think that's true. 00:22:27.199 --> 00:22:31.549 And I think that's easier for them and easier for the end user. 00:22:31.609 --> 00:22:31.999 Yeah. 00:22:32.059 --> 00:22:34.189 Cuz the UI for this is gonna be tricky. 00:22:34.194 --> 00:22:36.679 Like I was talking about it with our contractor and. 00:22:37.104 --> 00:22:41.214 I think the more we think about it, cuz I already made our current client. 00:22:41.214 --> 00:22:43.644 So they have the event table that links all the IDs. 00:22:43.644 --> 00:22:48.174 So you come in, you view a product like you get all those IDs on your event table. 00:22:48.534 --> 00:22:51.354 And I was able to build them a custom condition, which is all 00:22:51.354 --> 00:22:55.314 users that have viewed product with name, whatever, with whatever. 00:22:55.614 --> 00:22:58.134 But I think when they first thought of that, because you have 00:22:58.134 --> 00:23:00.094 that, those two IDs, like in the. 00:23:00.699 --> 00:23:04.329 Clause, if you will, you think of it as a nested filter, right. 00:23:04.389 --> 00:23:05.949 But it's really a custom condition. 00:23:06.249 --> 00:23:09.609 So, so that's kind of what I'm thinking is like, there are a lot of use cases. 00:23:09.609 --> 00:23:11.169 People are like, oh, nested filters. 00:23:11.169 --> 00:23:13.419 I'm like, I don't know that you really need that. 00:23:13.809 --> 00:23:15.909 That that's as high priority as you think it is. 00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:20.589 So it's still something I wanna do, but I don't think it's gonna be a deal breaker. 00:23:20.829 --> 00:23:23.589 Yeah, no, I think, and you told him great. 00:23:23.589 --> 00:23:25.419 We'll have that bye by right now. 00:23:25.419 --> 00:23:25.659 Right? 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:26.559 Perfect. 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:26.859 Yeah. 00:23:26.859 --> 00:23:28.179 That I think that's the move. 00:23:28.509 --> 00:23:32.649 Cause I mean, if they need it or not is an open question. 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:34.329 Could they get started without it? 00:23:34.329 --> 00:23:35.379 Absolutely. 00:23:35.384 --> 00:23:35.419 Absolutely. 00:23:35.649 --> 00:23:35.919 Here. 00:23:35.919 --> 00:23:40.449 So I mean, my take on all of this Erin, and this is what I told these guys. 00:23:40.449 --> 00:23:44.829 And, um, we are small and scrappy and this is for both 00:23:44.829 --> 00:23:46.769 of us, our number one priority. 00:23:47.389 --> 00:23:51.159 So we are going to do everything we can to make this work for you. 00:23:51.219 --> 00:23:52.539 And if it doesn't, we'll sort it. 00:23:53.334 --> 00:23:57.474 We aren't gonna sell you something you don't need, but we, I mean, we want every 00:23:57.474 --> 00:24:00.564 single customer to be incredibly happy. 00:24:00.804 --> 00:24:01.404 Yes. 00:24:01.524 --> 00:24:03.474 So we're all in. 00:24:03.474 --> 00:24:04.854 Good to make sure that happens. 00:24:04.884 --> 00:24:08.034 And if, for any reason you aren't like, we'll, we'll sort it out. 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:12.474 But I really think that the huge benefit to working with us. 00:24:13.134 --> 00:24:15.324 Is, we are super committed. 00:24:15.324 --> 00:24:16.554 It's not a huge company, right? 00:24:16.554 --> 00:24:17.664 We, we are right. 00:24:17.754 --> 00:24:20.694 You and I are two people who are super committed to making this work. 00:24:20.904 --> 00:24:22.104 So it's gonna work. 00:24:22.374 --> 00:24:25.554 Did you learn that from your sales, YouTube videos that was compelling? 00:24:25.734 --> 00:24:26.514 No, I didn't. 00:24:26.874 --> 00:24:26.994 that? 00:24:26.994 --> 00:24:27.324 Wasn't. 00:24:27.324 --> 00:24:28.254 That was good. 00:24:28.284 --> 00:24:28.674 Thank you. 00:24:28.974 --> 00:24:30.234 I'm re I'm ready to buy. 00:24:30.234 --> 00:24:32.904 I think that was great, but it's also true, right? 00:24:32.904 --> 00:24:34.074 Like, I mean, of course. 00:24:34.074 --> 00:24:34.314 Yeah. 00:24:34.314 --> 00:24:35.184 That's the best part. 00:24:35.484 --> 00:24:36.144 No, I didn't. 00:24:36.204 --> 00:24:39.834 The sales YouTube videos were a little, little slimier than that. 00:24:40.454 --> 00:24:41.294 Well, that was good. 00:24:41.294 --> 00:24:42.254 I, I applaud you. 00:24:42.254 --> 00:24:43.094 I like that line. 00:24:43.544 --> 00:24:45.344 So, um, I hope to hear back from them. 00:24:45.344 --> 00:24:46.514 I'll reach out with them. 00:24:46.694 --> 00:24:49.364 I mean, the last episode we did, what did you say? 00:24:49.724 --> 00:24:52.274 You said follow up or die, follow up or die. 00:24:52.274 --> 00:24:55.634 So I'll definitely add them to our list and, you know, follow up with 00:24:55.639 --> 00:24:57.534 them and see if, if it's a good fit. 00:24:57.594 --> 00:24:57.814 But. 00:24:58.384 --> 00:24:59.194 Yeah, I'm excited. 00:24:59.194 --> 00:25:02.164 So I scheduled, um, I, I scheduled an onboarding date with 00:25:02.164 --> 00:25:03.604 Ben, so that's like next week. 00:25:04.114 --> 00:25:04.294 Whoa. 00:25:04.954 --> 00:25:07.744 I know you told me to, so I did teammate. 00:25:08.074 --> 00:25:08.584 That's great. 00:25:09.154 --> 00:25:09.634 I love that. 00:25:09.634 --> 00:25:10.924 I love having power like that. 00:25:11.434 --> 00:25:12.334 that's great. 00:25:12.334 --> 00:25:15.784 That's so soon I know it's maybe the week after next, but 00:25:15.784 --> 00:25:17.284 it's like the next week or two. 00:25:17.734 --> 00:25:22.264 Um, I think the only thing we have to have before we put it on anyone's 00:25:22.264 --> 00:25:23.854 side is client side validations. 00:25:23.884 --> 00:25:24.334 Like we. 00:25:25.144 --> 00:25:26.134 We've gotta have it. 00:25:26.194 --> 00:25:27.424 That is for me. 00:25:27.904 --> 00:25:30.544 Uh, I'm trying to, I'm trying to. 00:25:31.414 --> 00:25:35.344 Pick like one thing a week, because what always happens to me is I 00:25:35.674 --> 00:25:37.564 think I can do all of these things. 00:25:37.594 --> 00:25:40.504 And software always takes longer than you think it's gonna take. 00:25:40.744 --> 00:25:41.824 Yeah, this is just life. 00:25:41.824 --> 00:25:43.294 We all know this is true. 00:25:43.294 --> 00:25:46.204 And we all continue to lie to ourselves about how long it's gonna take. 00:25:46.684 --> 00:25:50.804 And so this week, like validations are my number one priority. 00:25:51.429 --> 00:25:52.779 Gotta get that solved. 00:25:53.019 --> 00:25:56.559 Um, I was telling you, before we, before we recorded that our 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.339 contractor has done some great refactoring to use form objects. 00:26:00.339 --> 00:26:01.329 So hopefully that'll. 00:26:01.954 --> 00:26:03.694 This whole situation, a little easier. 00:26:04.084 --> 00:26:07.294 The real struggle we're having with these client side validations is if we could 00:26:07.294 --> 00:26:10.834 just put the errors on the blueprint, it would like not be a problem, but I 00:26:10.834 --> 00:26:15.244 know we're trying really hard not to do that because you really sold me with 00:26:15.244 --> 00:26:17.944 your, the blueprint is the user's intent. 00:26:18.064 --> 00:26:18.724 So. 00:26:18.994 --> 00:26:22.624 That's like the big push for me this week is we gotta get these validations cuz 00:26:22.624 --> 00:26:24.544 I'm onboarding Ben in like a week or two. 00:26:24.904 --> 00:26:26.944 And um, and that's really exciting. 00:26:27.004 --> 00:26:32.074 And yeah, so, so for on the rail side, I think a lot of the work right now, 00:26:32.074 --> 00:26:36.544 obviously validations and I have a list of like other tasks, but the. 00:26:37.064 --> 00:26:39.374 A lot of it is gonna be this implementation. 00:26:39.404 --> 00:26:42.674 And I think like, as we've talked about, like, as we start implementing 00:26:42.674 --> 00:26:44.684 it, what are the sticky points? 00:26:44.684 --> 00:26:47.264 Should we provide more rappers around it? 00:26:47.324 --> 00:26:49.904 I think we're, I think we're gonna end up providing an optional 00:26:49.904 --> 00:26:52.694 wrapper with an applied discard button, which is totally fine. 00:26:52.904 --> 00:26:53.594 I think that's great. 00:26:53.864 --> 00:26:57.284 And one more thing we need, what we, really, another thing we really 00:26:57.289 --> 00:27:01.034 need is we need what they have requested, which I think is a great 00:27:01.034 --> 00:27:04.214 idea is like pills that essentially. 00:27:04.634 --> 00:27:08.324 Show you what filter you currently have applied. 00:27:08.594 --> 00:27:11.984 So we need you, and I need to think about how we wanna do that. 00:27:12.194 --> 00:27:16.214 Cause for example, when I demo this, I dump the sequel. 00:27:16.424 --> 00:27:19.724 So people can re mm-hmm can know what we're looking at. 00:27:19.724 --> 00:27:22.964 So what's happening with our client engineers and our client is big. 00:27:22.964 --> 00:27:24.014 They have 50 engineers. 00:27:24.014 --> 00:27:24.854 I think we've mentioned that. 00:27:25.374 --> 00:27:26.784 Is they'll apply a filter. 00:27:26.784 --> 00:27:30.534 The user will come in and apply a filter or someone will be testing 00:27:30.534 --> 00:27:31.494 and they'll apply a filter. 00:27:31.494 --> 00:27:32.724 And then they won't remember. 00:27:33.234 --> 00:27:34.764 They won't like, know what they're looking at. 00:27:35.064 --> 00:27:36.894 We need to give them something. 00:27:37.254 --> 00:27:39.714 And, and I almost think it's like, I don't know. 00:27:39.719 --> 00:27:40.674 We need to think about it. 00:27:40.704 --> 00:27:43.564 Um, they want something, well, why I don't understand why 00:27:43.564 --> 00:27:45.294 can't they not see the filter? 00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:48.149 That they've applied, cuz it's hidden in the popover. 00:27:48.179 --> 00:27:48.449 Right? 00:27:48.449 --> 00:27:49.469 Cuz you click filter. 00:27:49.469 --> 00:27:51.749 You say contacts, name, Colleen apply. 00:27:51.959 --> 00:27:56.429 That window closes mm-hmm and then all you see are contacts filtered by name 00:27:56.434 --> 00:27:58.499 equals Colleen, but you don't know that? 00:27:58.859 --> 00:27:58.919 Yeah. 00:27:58.919 --> 00:27:58.949 Okay. 00:27:58.949 --> 00:28:02.129 Like what they want is they want pills that would say name equals 00:28:02.134 --> 00:28:04.829 Colleen and then you could X one out and then it would clear. 00:28:04.829 --> 00:28:04.889 So. 00:28:06.309 --> 00:28:06.879 Interesting. 00:28:07.059 --> 00:28:11.709 We can talk about that offline, but, um, yeah, that's a big, that's a 00:28:11.709 --> 00:28:14.259 big thing they've been requesting and I think it's a great idea. 00:28:14.679 --> 00:28:17.739 I don't know that it's something like we'd provide the UI for that. 00:28:17.739 --> 00:28:20.289 I feel like right. 00:28:20.409 --> 00:28:23.859 I, I feel like we would just provide, we just need to provide 00:28:23.859 --> 00:28:25.269 some kind of data structure. 00:28:26.019 --> 00:28:26.769 To let, I don't know. 00:28:26.769 --> 00:28:27.489 We'll think about it. 00:28:27.489 --> 00:28:28.749 We need to think of, talk about that all more. 00:28:28.749 --> 00:28:31.599 I mean, that's the blueprint, you're, you're basically rendering 00:28:31.689 --> 00:28:33.459 the blueprint again, right. 00:28:33.459 --> 00:28:37.599 In a different form in a different form, which, I mean, I know that they're 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:43.419 using Hotwire, but in our react and or view versions, you could do that. 00:28:43.424 --> 00:28:46.019 You could have the same blueprint in two different places. 00:28:46.869 --> 00:28:48.609 Rendered completely differently. 00:28:48.609 --> 00:28:49.239 One. 00:28:49.649 --> 00:28:53.339 Super in line and one with more Chrome around it. 00:28:53.789 --> 00:28:55.769 Um, so I mean, that's doable. 00:28:55.769 --> 00:28:58.199 I just don't know how you would do it on, in hot wire. 00:28:58.619 --> 00:28:58.829 Yeah. 00:28:58.834 --> 00:28:59.489 We'll talk about it. 00:28:59.489 --> 00:29:00.809 I'm I'm sure we can sort it out. 00:29:00.809 --> 00:29:04.199 I mean, that's so that's kind of like a ne the next thing that's right though. 00:29:04.199 --> 00:29:04.639 We can just. 00:29:05.224 --> 00:29:05.914 We'll sort that out. 00:29:06.274 --> 00:29:06.364 Yeah. 00:29:06.394 --> 00:29:07.444 Um, so let's see. 00:29:07.444 --> 00:29:10.954 So validations this week really wanna get that cleaned up and then 00:29:10.959 --> 00:29:12.444 we have a couple little things. 00:29:13.414 --> 00:29:17.314 Um, I've started thinking about how we wanna do like a demo site you had 00:29:17.314 --> 00:29:20.704 mentioned, are you gonna live stream a demo site for the layer site? 00:29:20.704 --> 00:29:21.034 I think so. 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:21.484 Yeah. 00:29:21.544 --> 00:29:21.964 Very cool. 00:29:22.024 --> 00:29:22.264 Yeah. 00:29:22.684 --> 00:29:23.194 I'll be honest. 00:29:23.194 --> 00:29:24.814 That makes me, that makes me nervous. 00:29:24.844 --> 00:29:28.144 Like just, just the concept of live streaming stuff makes me 00:29:28.144 --> 00:29:29.284 nervous, but I think it's good. 00:29:29.404 --> 00:29:30.966 I think it'll be, oh, it'll be. 00:29:31.374 --> 00:29:32.154 I think it'll be good. 00:29:32.154 --> 00:29:35.154 And I think it'll be, uh, it's kinda like a forcing function too. 00:29:35.454 --> 00:29:39.234 Like I'm not going to, I'm not gonna dork around if I'm live streaming, I gotta 00:29:39.234 --> 00:29:41.274 get, like, I gotta get the stuff done. 00:29:41.304 --> 00:29:41.424 Right. 00:29:41.424 --> 00:29:45.774 So I think it'll be, are you gonna like, is that YouTube or Twitch or both? 00:29:46.104 --> 00:29:47.514 I'm gonna start on YouTube. 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.504 I feel like Twitch is its own subculture that I don't really 00:29:51.504 --> 00:29:53.094 have time to learn right now. 00:29:53.304 --> 00:29:55.724 Um, So I'm just gonna start on YouTube. 00:29:56.024 --> 00:29:56.534 All right. 00:29:56.984 --> 00:30:00.974 So you have also on this list LA summer, what does that mean? 00:30:01.184 --> 00:30:03.494 Yeah, Laracon online is coming back again. 00:30:04.904 --> 00:30:05.024 Yay. 00:30:05.024 --> 00:30:05.204 Yeah. 00:30:05.204 --> 00:30:09.104 So they're doing summer edition and I want, I wanna submit a talk 00:30:09.109 --> 00:30:10.544 and I don't know what to submit. 00:30:10.544 --> 00:30:11.534 So what should I do? 00:30:11.594 --> 00:30:16.214 I wanna do something like database slash performance related. 00:30:16.454 --> 00:30:18.104 Um, but what should I do? 00:30:18.494 --> 00:30:19.184 I don't know. 00:30:19.274 --> 00:30:22.094 Can you take something from, I mean, do you wanna do something like. 00:30:22.669 --> 00:30:25.549 can you take something from one of your consulting engagements? 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:26.269 Probably. 00:30:26.269 --> 00:30:26.599 Yeah. 00:30:26.719 --> 00:30:31.699 I mean, I really like the, the talks where it's like solving this problem 00:30:31.699 --> 00:30:33.139 where the database is locking up. 00:30:33.229 --> 00:30:36.379 Mm-hmm walking through the queries or walking through the, the app 00:30:36.379 --> 00:30:38.269 to figure out like in rails. 00:30:38.269 --> 00:30:42.229 We have a lot of things that like, I guess I don't obviously know 00:30:42.229 --> 00:30:46.219 that much about Elle, but in LA in rails, we have a lot of like common 00:30:46.219 --> 00:30:48.719 mistakes people make mm-hmm when. 00:30:49.219 --> 00:30:51.529 Because we don't think about performance until we have to. 00:30:51.829 --> 00:30:53.689 So designing for performance. 00:30:53.694 --> 00:30:54.149 That's interesting. 00:30:54.199 --> 00:30:56.359 That's what it should be design for performance upfront. 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:00.709 That that is a pretty good title. 00:31:00.714 --> 00:31:01.459 I like that. 00:31:01.909 --> 00:31:02.509 I think that, okay. 00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:03.319 Well that was easy. 00:31:03.439 --> 00:31:04.339 That was easy. 00:31:05.329 --> 00:31:07.609 I just gotta build a whole talk around it, but I think I can do that. 00:31:07.609 --> 00:31:08.779 I think you can do that. 00:31:09.109 --> 00:31:09.589 Totally. 00:31:09.589 --> 00:31:09.889 Do. 00:31:10.584 --> 00:31:11.664 Um, well, that's fine. 00:31:11.724 --> 00:31:12.144 Okay, cool. 00:31:12.444 --> 00:31:13.704 Yeah, we'll see. 00:31:13.704 --> 00:31:16.074 I mean, might as well submit something. 00:31:16.074 --> 00:31:18.024 We'll see if, uh, it gets chosen. 00:31:18.294 --> 00:31:18.924 Yeah. 00:31:19.044 --> 00:31:23.754 And your talk in where Europe somewhere this fall. 00:31:24.224 --> 00:31:26.664 Uh, yeah, be, and TWRP. 00:31:27.424 --> 00:31:28.054 Okay. 00:31:28.384 --> 00:31:30.454 What's that one on that's on sidecar. 00:31:30.784 --> 00:31:31.324 Okay, cool. 00:31:31.564 --> 00:31:31.864 Very nice. 00:31:31.864 --> 00:31:32.104 Yeah. 00:31:32.464 --> 00:31:36.454 I need to, I need to prepare, I need to update that, but it's 00:31:36.454 --> 00:31:40.084 not, you know, I'm not creating it from scratch, so that'll be okay. 00:31:40.384 --> 00:31:44.704 So when are we ready to like really start. 00:31:45.064 --> 00:31:47.134 Pushing on some of this Larabe marketing. 00:31:47.464 --> 00:31:50.434 Like we have a whole list of things that, what does that mean? 00:31:50.464 --> 00:31:51.964 That means, hold on. 00:31:51.964 --> 00:31:54.814 I got a list emailing the Laracon list. 00:31:55.054 --> 00:31:58.354 Um, reaching out to the Larabe news. 00:31:58.354 --> 00:32:01.174 People doing a product hunt launch. 00:32:01.204 --> 00:32:02.824 I think we should do all these things. 00:32:02.854 --> 00:32:07.054 I don't know that we need to do them right now, but where is your comfort 00:32:07.054 --> 00:32:09.604 level with supporting like a big push. 00:32:09.994 --> 00:32:11.314 For the Lael product? 00:32:11.614 --> 00:32:12.964 Um, pretty high. 00:32:12.964 --> 00:32:12.994 Okay. 00:32:13.574 --> 00:32:14.944 Um, let me think. 00:32:15.334 --> 00:32:19.114 So big push, what do we need? 00:32:19.954 --> 00:32:23.234 So I think it may be useful to divide that between. 00:32:24.094 --> 00:32:25.474 What do we need on the marketing side? 00:32:25.474 --> 00:32:26.614 And what do we need on the technical? 00:32:26.794 --> 00:32:31.144 Um, I think on the technical side, we don't need anything. 00:32:31.414 --> 00:32:31.654 Okay. 00:32:31.714 --> 00:32:33.544 Like on the technical side, we're we're totally ready. 00:32:33.964 --> 00:32:40.474 Save for front end documentation, which spans both technical and okay. 00:32:40.474 --> 00:32:41.284 We do need. 00:32:41.674 --> 00:32:45.934 Some front end documentation, like how to use the view and how to use react. 00:32:46.324 --> 00:32:50.104 Um, so in that regard, I feel great. 00:32:50.164 --> 00:32:50.824 Totally ready. 00:32:50.884 --> 00:32:53.524 I think on the marketing side, we do need the demo site. 00:32:53.524 --> 00:32:54.574 I was just thinking that. 00:32:54.979 --> 00:32:59.989 Yep because I, I, and maybe this is like me being afraid or something, but 00:32:59.989 --> 00:33:05.479 I really don't wanna push super hard before we have the demo site there. 00:33:05.719 --> 00:33:09.619 Cuz I feel like that's been a pretty common refrain from people 00:33:09.619 --> 00:33:12.319 that we've tried to pitch it to is like, can I play with it? 00:33:12.529 --> 00:33:14.599 It's like, no, we can get on a call and I can show you. 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.189 And like, I just wanna see the thing. 00:33:16.399 --> 00:33:19.789 Um, so would we need anything else beyond that? 00:33:19.969 --> 00:33:21.769 I don't, I, I don't think so. 00:33:22.129 --> 00:33:22.969 What do you think? 00:33:23.029 --> 00:33:24.139 Am I missing something? 00:33:24.379 --> 00:33:26.209 I think the demo site's really important. 00:33:26.209 --> 00:33:27.739 And can I have a quick segue here? 00:33:28.339 --> 00:33:28.879 Okay, please. 00:33:29.029 --> 00:33:33.649 So this is a little embarrassing, but I think I told you I've started 00:33:33.649 --> 00:33:35.599 following Gary V on the internet. 00:33:35.779 --> 00:33:36.409 Oh, wow. 00:33:36.469 --> 00:33:36.889 Yeah. 00:33:36.889 --> 00:33:37.249 Okay. 00:33:37.699 --> 00:33:38.119 Wow. 00:33:38.329 --> 00:33:39.409 And I know it's a look. 00:33:39.409 --> 00:33:39.889 I'm excited. 00:33:39.889 --> 00:33:42.859 I have no idea where this is going, but I know it's gonna be great. 00:33:42.859 --> 00:33:43.759 So please continue. 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.759 So he had this post the other day. 00:33:47.284 --> 00:33:48.964 And it was this concept of time. 00:33:49.174 --> 00:33:51.294 And his argument was as humans. 00:33:51.724 --> 00:33:53.974 Our number one failing is we Don. 00:33:55.254 --> 00:33:57.064 Properly think of time. 00:33:57.064 --> 00:34:00.154 Like we don't think of time in the proper context and okay. 00:34:00.574 --> 00:34:05.734 His point was he's 45, I think so older than both of us, obviously. 00:34:06.154 --> 00:34:11.344 Um, obviously, uh, but his point was so people in their twenties or people who 00:34:11.344 --> 00:34:14.224 are trying to do something like they just kill themselves and they think 00:34:14.224 --> 00:34:16.234 they have no time to do something. 00:34:16.234 --> 00:34:16.324 Okay. 00:34:16.654 --> 00:34:21.684 When really you could start a second career at 45 and have 20. 00:34:22.289 --> 00:34:23.969 Years in that career. 00:34:24.299 --> 00:34:27.719 And so I feel like, so basically like the post, the concept 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.399 was like, you have more time. 00:34:29.764 --> 00:34:36.514 Then you think you do so use it wisely, use it intelligently, still push as 00:34:36.514 --> 00:34:38.074 appropriate, but be smart about it. 00:34:38.404 --> 00:34:42.814 So that made me think of us because okay, we are in a sprint, right. 00:34:42.814 --> 00:34:44.434 And I am happy to be in this sprint. 00:34:44.464 --> 00:34:46.564 That is where I want to be. 00:34:46.984 --> 00:34:51.214 But I feel like we are on the cusp of like something great. 00:34:51.604 --> 00:34:53.734 And everyone keeps telling us to move faster. 00:34:54.274 --> 00:34:58.024 They do so everyone keeps telling us to move faster. 00:34:58.354 --> 00:35:01.534 But I think if we're not careful we could bundle it. 00:35:01.834 --> 00:35:02.164 Okay. 00:35:02.434 --> 00:35:03.034 Tell me more. 00:35:03.454 --> 00:35:06.244 So for example, this is a perfect example. 00:35:06.484 --> 00:35:09.274 Like we could launch on product hunt Friday, right? 00:35:09.274 --> 00:35:13.264 Like, or whatever, we could go really, really hard right now. 00:35:13.264 --> 00:35:17.554 But like, I think these little things, like, yes, it's worth to wait two. 00:35:18.349 --> 00:35:20.899 To have a demo site, same thing with rails. 00:35:20.899 --> 00:35:26.749 Like, yes, it's worth to wait a month to have like, we've come so 00:35:26.749 --> 00:35:28.879 far and the product is so good. 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:30.409 We gotta nail the landing. 00:35:30.499 --> 00:35:33.859 Like we don't wanna bundle it now by pushing something out or 00:35:33.859 --> 00:35:36.049 doing a huge marketing push when. 00:35:36.644 --> 00:35:39.584 We're like 98% done. 00:35:39.944 --> 00:35:40.784 That's what I mean. 00:35:41.144 --> 00:35:42.134 I fully agree with that. 00:35:42.224 --> 00:35:42.794 Okay, cool. 00:35:43.124 --> 00:35:47.654 Yeah, I think there's a balance of course, to be struck between waiting forever and. 00:35:48.439 --> 00:35:55.609 Right launching soon, but I do think, um, I do think the, the point that 00:35:55.609 --> 00:36:01.189 we're aiming for is not, uh, asymptotic like, it's not forever moving away 00:36:01.189 --> 00:36:03.619 from us there, like demo site. 00:36:03.649 --> 00:36:06.019 We just need to have, it's a thing, the demo site. 00:36:06.109 --> 00:36:06.409 Right. 00:36:06.589 --> 00:36:07.579 And then we can. 00:36:07.964 --> 00:36:12.104 We can start expending some of this marketing, um, energy. 00:36:12.494 --> 00:36:14.114 Um, yeah, that's really interesting. 00:36:14.114 --> 00:36:15.164 I it's funny you say that. 00:36:15.164 --> 00:36:18.794 Cause I do feel like everyone's always saying like, go faster, just do it. 00:36:18.794 --> 00:36:20.624 Like just release it right now. 00:36:20.624 --> 00:36:22.034 What's the worst that could happen. 00:36:22.394 --> 00:36:27.464 It's like, I mean probably nothing bad, but it would be better and 00:36:27.734 --> 00:36:30.614 I would feel better about it. 00:36:31.059 --> 00:36:34.449 If we were like ready to launch when it was time to launch. 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:35.049 Yeah. 00:36:35.049 --> 00:36:37.059 And I, I think absolutely there's a balance. 00:36:37.059 --> 00:36:41.859 And of course that is excellent advice because we do need to launch something. 00:36:41.859 --> 00:36:43.899 I mean, we have, it's launched, like you can buy it now. 00:36:43.929 --> 00:36:44.289 Yeah. 00:36:44.589 --> 00:36:46.569 But I, I, I do think it's worth it. 00:36:46.569 --> 00:36:51.309 Like here we are so close to being ready to do all these things. 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.639 If it takes a couple more weeks to have a demo site, like I think that 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.699 kind of stuff is worth it because yeah. 00:36:57.699 --> 00:36:59.259 Like I said, you don't wanna botch the landing. 00:36:59.289 --> 00:36:59.799 You've come this. 00:37:00.154 --> 00:37:00.244 Right. 00:37:01.054 --> 00:37:03.274 And I really feel like hammer stone is just such a different 00:37:03.274 --> 00:37:06.064 product because it's so good. 00:37:06.334 --> 00:37:08.074 And I could say that cuz I have another product 00:37:11.259 --> 00:37:12.304 that I launched early. 00:37:13.204 --> 00:37:16.534 Yeah, I think it's yeah, I think, um, I, I agree with that. 00:37:16.919 --> 00:37:21.149 and I think if there's any criticism, it's that the product is too good 00:37:21.299 --> 00:37:23.849 and the marketing is too anemic. 00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:24.419 Yeah. 00:37:24.449 --> 00:37:27.629 So I think that, and, and that's what we're trying to, you know, correct. 00:37:27.629 --> 00:37:28.379 Right now. 00:37:28.409 --> 00:37:33.869 It's like, let's, let's get the marketing assets ready because you'll, as you 00:37:33.869 --> 00:37:36.509 heard, I don't think there's anything technical that needs to be done. 00:37:36.689 --> 00:37:36.809 Yeah. 00:37:36.809 --> 00:37:40.619 Like on my side, I, I, I don't think any of the product needs to be touched. 00:37:41.499 --> 00:37:45.069 Frankly, it hasn't been touched in a month or two because I don't 00:37:45.069 --> 00:37:46.329 think there's anything there. 00:37:46.689 --> 00:37:52.179 Um, and so now it's like the thing that needs to be done is just 00:37:52.179 --> 00:37:55.089 these very basic marketing things. 00:37:55.089 --> 00:37:58.809 And then we can push for real, which is not to say that we haven't been. 00:37:59.444 --> 00:38:02.114 Trying to do the one on one sales stuff. 00:38:02.504 --> 00:38:04.604 I think that's been going pretty well by the way. 00:38:04.604 --> 00:38:09.994 Like I think so feel I have, so with the rails founding customers two, 00:38:10.524 --> 00:38:16.034 three, um, and I feel like that's been going pretty well, and I'm pretty 00:38:16.034 --> 00:38:19.064 happy with that because I still feel like, like I've said, we have some 00:38:19.064 --> 00:38:22.424 iterations with this stimulus, like how much we wanna ship, what kind 00:38:22.424 --> 00:38:23.834 of rappers we wanna ship with it. 00:38:24.194 --> 00:38:25.724 Um, so I'm feeling pretty good about. 00:38:26.254 --> 00:38:26.764 I agree. 00:38:26.974 --> 00:38:27.264 Okay. 00:38:27.269 --> 00:38:28.564 So I think we're in a good spot. 00:38:28.864 --> 00:38:31.984 I'm glad you don't feel the need to get it out today. 00:38:32.254 --> 00:38:37.864 Um, I think we both, we both have a sense of, I think we both have the sense of 00:38:37.864 --> 00:38:43.084 urgency and so we don't need to be pushing towards urgency cuz that's where we are. 00:38:43.204 --> 00:38:43.564 Yeah. 00:38:43.924 --> 00:38:45.154 Already agree. 00:38:45.454 --> 00:38:48.664 So demo site, what's your, what's your timeline on that? 00:38:49.084 --> 00:38:49.744 Um, I don't. 00:38:50.379 --> 00:38:56.139 I mean, I think I could probably get that done and I need to find a source for data. 00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.179 Like I need to find a compelling source for data. 00:38:58.179 --> 00:38:58.659 I could. 00:38:59.494 --> 00:39:01.454 Like the, my SQL sample database. 00:39:01.954 --> 00:39:05.704 Um, I could probably grab like a, I think there's some open data 00:39:05.704 --> 00:39:09.844 sets for like, like movies, books, authors, that sort of stuff. 00:39:09.934 --> 00:39:12.754 Um, so I need to find data. 00:39:12.784 --> 00:39:15.814 I need to make a new Elle app pull refine in. 00:39:16.054 --> 00:39:18.214 I, I really don't think it'll take that long. 00:39:18.454 --> 00:39:18.574 Okay. 00:39:18.664 --> 00:39:22.884 Um, and I guess we could host it on vapor, which is Elle's thing, cuz. 00:39:23.269 --> 00:39:25.369 The main site is already hosted on vapor. 00:39:25.729 --> 00:39:31.069 Um, that may be, that may be my, like my thing for next week. 00:39:31.309 --> 00:39:31.609 Okay. 00:39:32.029 --> 00:39:36.559 Um, cuz there's a little bit of like bonus work around it in that I'm going to try 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.529 to like learn how to stream along the way. 00:39:39.854 --> 00:39:40.124 Right. 00:39:40.184 --> 00:39:43.154 Um, and so that adds, you know, 15%. 00:39:43.244 --> 00:39:46.334 Um, but yeah, I'll do, I'll do that for next week. 00:39:46.394 --> 00:39:48.104 That'll be my thing for next week. 00:39:48.494 --> 00:39:48.644 Okay. 00:39:48.649 --> 00:39:51.314 Do you have strong opinions on anything about the demo site? 00:39:51.314 --> 00:39:53.584 I mean, it's gonna be pretty, it's gonna be pretty basic. 00:39:54.254 --> 00:39:56.204 Um, I think it should look good. 00:39:56.564 --> 00:39:56.864 Yeah. 00:39:56.869 --> 00:39:58.514 It'll look, you know, tail windy. 00:39:58.724 --> 00:39:58.814 Yeah. 00:39:58.814 --> 00:40:01.694 But it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be much beyond like 00:40:01.694 --> 00:40:03.674 filtering . Yeah, that's fine. 00:40:03.674 --> 00:40:04.814 I think people are people. 00:40:04.814 --> 00:40:04.844 Okay. 00:40:04.849 --> 00:40:06.884 You're gonna, are you gonna set it up in such a way that people 00:40:06.884 --> 00:40:08.744 can like edit the filters and see. 00:40:09.114 --> 00:40:11.064 What happens when they edit the filters? 00:40:11.304 --> 00:40:12.204 I think you're muted. 00:40:12.624 --> 00:40:14.784 Oh, you mean edit the, like the PHP? 00:40:14.784 --> 00:40:14.984 Yeah. 00:40:14.989 --> 00:40:16.044 Like the filter itself. 00:40:16.434 --> 00:40:16.644 Ooh. 00:40:17.334 --> 00:40:18.054 Oh, okay. 00:40:18.054 --> 00:40:18.834 No is fine. 00:40:19.424 --> 00:40:26.024 I wasn't should I um, not if it adds, you know, another week to your not to start. 00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:28.999 That was kind of what I've been thinking though, is it would be pretty 00:40:28.999 --> 00:40:32.269 cool if people could see like how to edit filters and like actually build 00:40:32.269 --> 00:40:33.829 out new filters and things like that. 00:40:33.859 --> 00:40:34.149 Yeah. 00:40:34.149 --> 00:40:36.199 I mean, that would be extremely cool. 00:40:36.729 --> 00:40:37.969 Um Hmm. 00:40:37.999 --> 00:40:42.079 But, but, but I think any demo site is good right now. 00:40:42.604 --> 00:40:43.864 I think that's a quagmire. 00:40:43.954 --> 00:40:44.254 Okay. 00:40:44.644 --> 00:40:49.424 I think live, live editing PHP files in a sandbox. 00:40:49.834 --> 00:40:51.124 And let me think about that. 00:40:51.129 --> 00:40:52.414 There may be some work arounds. 00:40:52.414 --> 00:40:56.854 I know that there's a, I know that there are a few Lael playgrounds online 00:40:56.854 --> 00:40:59.644 that could do that sort of thing, but that, that may be a quagmire. 00:40:59.649 --> 00:41:00.664 That's not worth it right now. 00:41:00.669 --> 00:41:00.864 Okay. 00:41:00.874 --> 00:41:01.144 Yeah. 00:41:01.144 --> 00:41:02.764 I, I do not think it's worth it. 00:41:02.764 --> 00:41:03.844 If it's gonna delay you. 00:41:04.414 --> 00:41:06.634 Okay, then we'll say no, cuz it would definitely delight me. 00:41:06.664 --> 00:41:06.904 Okay. 00:41:06.904 --> 00:41:07.714 Let's say no then. 00:41:07.774 --> 00:41:08.074 Yeah. 00:41:08.104 --> 00:41:09.214 Cuz I'd like to get that. 00:41:09.214 --> 00:41:11.344 I think we would need to get that up and then we can start doing 00:41:11.344 --> 00:41:13.864 some of this marketing stuff and that'll, that'll be good. 00:41:14.254 --> 00:41:15.604 Um, cool idea though. 00:41:15.994 --> 00:41:16.804 That'd be pretty awesome. 00:41:17.164 --> 00:41:20.704 Speaking of demo sites, are you, are you planning on doing one? 00:41:20.914 --> 00:41:21.334 Yes. 00:41:21.334 --> 00:41:22.834 So I've been thinking about the demo site. 00:41:23.254 --> 00:41:25.774 I actually thought it's interesting. 00:41:25.774 --> 00:41:27.124 I'm glad we're talking about this. 00:41:28.204 --> 00:41:30.154 I can get bullet train set up. 00:41:30.184 --> 00:41:31.594 You can open it with GI PODD. 00:41:31.894 --> 00:41:36.284 And I had thought, it'd be cool to let people edit the filter so 00:41:36.694 --> 00:41:38.284 they could see how that works. 00:41:38.284 --> 00:41:43.054 And since bullet train is now open source, we could put our package in there and 00:41:43.054 --> 00:41:44.824 kind of what I had built for the workshop. 00:41:44.824 --> 00:41:48.754 I mean, that was the reason I spent so much time building that workshop, right. 00:41:49.054 --> 00:41:50.884 Is because I want to. 00:41:51.704 --> 00:41:56.384 Essentially what I built for the workshop and turn it into like a demo playground. 00:41:56.714 --> 00:42:01.724 Mm-hmm . So with GI PODD bullet train, um, a few things I need, I think, to make 00:42:01.724 --> 00:42:03.944 that better data, that's a good call. 00:42:04.184 --> 00:42:10.604 Mm-hmm and the UI is kind of, eh, you saw it, like, I'm not really happy with 00:42:10.604 --> 00:42:12.434 the UI right now, and it's not our UI. 00:42:12.974 --> 00:42:14.834 It's the bullet train UI that sits on top. 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.469 The filter, but like the filter buttons in a weird place. 00:42:18.469 --> 00:42:20.049 And I only put it on one page. 00:42:20.749 --> 00:42:25.069 So my thought had actually been to do that first. 00:42:25.279 --> 00:42:30.049 That's that being the get pod pod, the get PODD bullet train integration first. 00:42:30.289 --> 00:42:31.879 Yeah, I think that sounds great. 00:42:32.029 --> 00:42:34.049 I mean, you're already so close, so that's right. 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:34.689 Even better. 00:42:35.269 --> 00:42:36.589 It's so close to being done. 00:42:36.589 --> 00:42:42.679 So all I need to do is get it set up on a standalone repo, host it, um, get some 00:42:42.684 --> 00:42:44.359 real data in there and clean up the UI. 00:42:45.144 --> 00:42:48.324 And once we have validations, I think that's a playground. 00:42:48.324 --> 00:42:50.694 At least I think we also need a demo site. 00:42:51.294 --> 00:42:54.354 Probably let's see how this plays out, but what you can do, 00:42:54.354 --> 00:42:55.794 what I can do is I can, okay. 00:42:55.794 --> 00:42:58.974 So I can have the demo site and then, oh, this is it. 00:42:59.064 --> 00:43:03.414 This is just the, tell me you have the demo site and then you have a link. 00:43:04.044 --> 00:43:08.274 To the repo that you can open with GI PODD that you can edit and play with. 00:43:08.724 --> 00:43:09.624 That sounds pretty good. 00:43:09.684 --> 00:43:10.284 That's the move. 00:43:10.584 --> 00:43:11.694 So I like that. 00:43:11.754 --> 00:43:12.054 Yeah. 00:43:12.054 --> 00:43:16.164 Just something like, I feel like with demo sites, like some kind of interesting 00:43:16.164 --> 00:43:19.944 data, you were just talking about this, but yeah, it'd be fun to have like 00:43:19.944 --> 00:43:21.774 something funny or something like. 00:43:22.359 --> 00:43:24.819 Just more entertaining than right. 00:43:25.149 --> 00:43:29.979 Like we should, but it also has to have relationships and right. 00:43:30.219 --> 00:43:30.729 Yeah. 00:43:30.949 --> 00:43:34.359 So yeah, there's, there are plenty of open data sources we could use. 00:43:34.389 --> 00:43:34.689 Yeah. 00:43:34.689 --> 00:43:35.979 I think we should give that a sec. 00:43:35.979 --> 00:43:38.049 Let me, well, you're gonna do yours first because you're gonna 00:43:38.054 --> 00:43:39.129 start working on it this week. 00:43:39.129 --> 00:43:40.389 So let me know what you decide on. 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:40.969 Okay. 00:43:41.649 --> 00:43:45.249 But I think we can have a little fun there and, um, and that can be cool. 00:43:45.579 --> 00:43:45.999 Yeah. 00:43:46.149 --> 00:43:47.019 I think that's gonna be great. 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:48.819 Anything else? 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