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Take the time to read"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2155.95,"endTime":2162.79,"body":"and to venture out into other"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2162.79,"endTime":2169.69,"body":"areas and be curious. If you"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2162.79,"endTime":2169.69,"body":"don't know the answers to"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2169.69,"endTime":2174.58,"body":"something, do the research and"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2169.69,"endTime":2174.58,"body":"educate yourself, even if it's"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2174.58,"endTime":2178.66,"body":"on  fundamental things. I do"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2174.58,"endTime":2178.66,"body":"that myself sometimes. I look at"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2178.69,"endTime":2187.18,"body":"fundamental classes on Azure, or"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2178.69,"endTime":2187.18,"body":"AWS or blockchain. It's a good"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2187.18,"endTime":2191.8,"body":"review, but it also allows me to"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2187.18,"endTime":2191.8,"body":"stay grounded and understand why"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2191.8,"endTime":2196.78,"body":"I do what I do. Then look at"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2191.8,"endTime":2196.78,"body":"those new areas. Be curious"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2196.78,"endTime":2203.92,"body":"about blockchain, autonomous"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2196.78,"endTime":2203.92,"body":"vehicles, or 3D printing."},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2205.51,"endTime":2212.32,"body":"There's a ton of industries that"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2205.51,"endTime":2212.32,"body":"are out there waiting for"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2212.32,"endTime":2216.85,"body":"experts to come along. Who"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2212.32,"endTime":2216.85,"body":"knows, you may find your passion"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2216.94,"endTime":2222.61,"body":"through being curious and doing"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2216.94,"endTime":2222.61,"body":"some research. It might open"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2222.61,"endTime":2226.69,"body":"some new doors for you and allow"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2222.61,"endTime":2226.69,"body":"you to learn a new skill, and it"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2226.69,"endTime":2230.77,"body":"might allow you to be more"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2226.69,"endTime":2230.77,"body":"passionate about what it is that"},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2230.77,"endTime":2232.09,"body":"you do on a daily basis."},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2232.18,"endTime":2235.48,"body":"That is not only IT"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2232.18,"endTime":2235.48,"body":"advice, but life advice from"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2235.48,"endTime":2241.12,"body":"you, Mr. Ron Horn. We appreciate"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2235.48,"endTime":2241.12,"body":"you joining the IT Matters"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2241.12,"endTime":2245.35,"body":"podcast. I know that the guests"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2241.12,"endTime":2245.35,"body":"will enjoy this episode. Thank"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2245.35,"endTime":2248.83,"body":"you all out there for listening."},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2245.35,"endTime":2248.83,"body":"Hope you guys have an awesome"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2248.83,"endTime":2251.38,"body":"week and Ron, thanks for being"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2248.83,"endTime":2251.38,"body":"on the show."},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2251.65,"endTime":2253.6,"body":"Absolutely. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Ron Horn","startTime":2251.65,"endTime":2253.6,"body":"I've enjoyed it, Aaron."},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2255.04,"endTime":2256.24,"body":"We'll catch everyone"},{"speaker":"Aaron Bock","startTime":2255.04,"endTime":2256.24,"body":"soon."},{"speaker":"Narrator","startTime":2258.43,"endTime":2261.16,"body":"Thanks for listening."},{"speaker":"Narrator","startTime":2258.43,"endTime":2261.16,"body":"The IT Matters podcast is"},{"speaker":"Narrator","startTime":2261.16,"endTime":2264.1,"body":"produced by Opkalla, an IT"},{"speaker":"Narrator","startTime":2261.16,"endTime":2264.1,"body":"advisory firm that helps"},{"speaker":"Narrator","startTime":2264.1,"endTime":2267.91,"body":"businesses navigate the vast and"},{"speaker":"Narrator","startTime":2264.1,"endTime":2267.91,"body":"complex IT marketplace. 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