Cailin: Welcome everyone to Faith and Purpose podcast.
Each episode of this podcast contains the personal testimony of an ordinary person
transformed by an extraordinary God.
My name is Kaylin and I'm here to introduce this podcast
for my friend Jesse Duke.
Jesse is a husband, father, author, life recovery guide, lay counselor,
and small group leader, but his most important role is disciple.
As a disciple of Jesus.
Jesse created this podcast to help other believers tell their faith stories.
We'll be hearing the personal testimonies of all sorts of people
who have one thing in common, Jesus has transformed their lives.
Jesus used parables because he created us to learn best through story.
And as we listen to how God has worked in others lives, we find encouragement
and inspiration for our own faith walk.
Whether you are already a believer or just a curious seeker, we believe that
as you listen to these stories, you will be encouraged on your own faith journey.
We are sure that God can speak to you through one of these episodes and that you
will see that our Heavenly Father truly works all things together for our good.
When we simply love and trust him.
If you are currently going through a trial, we believe that you will come
to see that your troubles, heartbreaks, and failures are not gravestones, but
stepping stones into new life in Christ.
Here's Jesse with today's guest.
Jesse: Welcome everybody to Faith and Purpose podcast.
I'm very excited to have my new friend Kina to tell her faith story today.
How are you doing today, Kina?
Kina: I'm doing amazing.
How are you today?
Jesse: I'm great and I'm really excited to hear your story.
So tell us what it was like.
where were you born and just start from the beginning.
Tell us your whole Jesus story.
Kina: Okay.
Well, I was born in Jacksonville, Florida.
I've been here all my life.
I went to all of the local schools here, elementary, woolen acres.
Middle school, I went to Susie Taubert.
We had, we didn't have a combined 6th through 8th grade like they
do now, but I went Susie Taubert 6th grade, James 12th and 7th,
Lakeshore 8th grade, and William M.
Raines High School.
I graduated from William M.
Raines High School.
1990, four.
I am 48 years old.
I'm married.
I've been married for 18 years to my, wonderful husband, Michael
Green . And I have one son.
He actually just turned 30 on the 14th of July, and one granddaughter, she's.
10.
She's getting ready to turn 11 on Thursday.
So July is like a big month for me.
And first, I want to, say, I want to thank you for this opportunity to be
able to share my testimony and my story.
And I pray that it encourages and helps someone else.
And so I thank you for allowing me to be here this morning.
growing up.
here in Jacksonville, my family, I have a close family and growing up as a child.
my, my family, as I can remember, nobody went to church.
And so we never went to church as kids.
nobody in my family ever talked about church.
far as my close family, as my mom, grandparents, uncles,
all of them, nobody cousins.
I just don't remember anyone going to church or even talking about it.
And so I didn't grow up, going to church until elementary me and my mom
and my two sisters and my brother.
I have two sisters.
let me go back.
I have two sisters, amazing mom, who is my superhero and a brother.
And so I have three siblings.
We all lived on the west side, and I can remember as a child in elementary
school, the first time I went to church, we lived, in Lackawanna, and we lived
on this house on the corner, and it was this other house on the opposite
side of us on the corner, this little old lady knocked on the door, and she
asked my mom, could she take us there?
to church with her.
Her name was Miss Mary.
And I still remember Miss Mary to this day because I tell so
many people this testimony.
And so Miss Mary knocked on the door.
She asked my mom, could she take us to church?
And my mom said, yes.
And so my mom allowed me and my two sisters to go to church.
So all three of us went to church with Miss Mary every Sunday.
And so Ms.
Mary, she had us in the choir.
She had us singing solos and none of us sing.
And, she took us to the altar to get saved as little kids.
And so I can remember that.
And I was trying to remember if I could remember getting baptized.
I believe I did, but I'm not totally sure.
But, but she took us to church every Sunday and her old station wagon.
I remember the station wagon and I remember her station wagon broke down.
And so I remember her taking us on the church bus.
And so she never stopped taking us to church.
And so we got tired of going to church because we was like kids.
And so she would knock on the door and be like, Oh gosh, is that Ms.
Mary?
Cause we didn't want to go to church every Sunday.
And and my mom didn't go to church, but she knew that.
No, y'all went down to the altar.
And so y'all are going to church.
And so she made us go to church.
Jesse: And how old were you at this time?
Kina: I was in elementary.
I don't remember how, what age I was.
I just remember I was in elementary school.
Yeah.
Jesse: Okay.
Kina: And after that miscarriage, she passed away and I don't
remember going back to church for a while until I got grown.
I wasn't a faithful church goer at first.
I just remember that if people would invite me to church, I would go to church.
And so that's how that went.
I went to church if somebody invited me.
But then I don't know what changed in my life to where I started
going to church like every Sunday.
And so every Sunday morning I would get me and my son up and church started at 7 40.
We would get up, we would go to church, and we would go in listening to a certain
type of music that Bad music, I would say.
And when we left out of church, we would leave out listening to that same music.
And so nothing had changed in my life.
We both got baptized at this church and whatever services the church had,
we would go to the services, whatever programs, we would go to the programs,
but nothing changed in my life.
And now when I look back over my life, I realized it wasn't the church.
It was me.
I wasn't changing.
And it was this one Sunday.
Afternoon, I can remember me and my son had went to church and we
were coming out of Family Dollar.
And so this older gentleman, he came up to us and he asked me, he was like, he tries
to give me this brochure about Jesus.
And I said, Oh, I already know Jesus.
I go to church every Sunday.
I don't need the brochure.
That's what I told him.
And he was like, he had to have the whole spirit to know that I didn't know Jesus.
And so he asked me, he said, where is Jesus?
And I was stumped because I had no idea what he meant.
And so he gave me a minute to think about it and I didn't, I had no answer for him.
And he told me, he said that he's in your heart.
And I was like, Oh, I didn't know So me not taking the brochure
saying I know Jesus had no idea.
I didn't know Jesus.
And so of course I took the brochure and then I started to,
I can remember reading my Bible.
I can't remember really, and still nothing changing in my life, but
I still continue to go to church.
And, leading up to what, caused me to be faithful in church is my testimony.
And so what happened was I was still going to church.
And it came this time in my life where I got like really sick and I didn't know why
I was just like real, real tired all of the time and trying to get out my car just
to go to work inside the work building.
It was like I was out of breath by the time I got to the job.
I had to sit down.
I was just feeling bad.
And so when I went to my doctor, we thought it was something
going on with my stomach.
And so she gave me these pills, which made me sicker.
And she set up this appointment for me.
She said that she was, I can't remember what kind of doctor it was, but they put
the, camera down your throat and they look inside you to see what's going on.
So she had set me up for this appointment and I was supposed to go to this
appointment one morning, like 9 a.
m.
Some of the dates I might can't remember in the timing, but this was in 2009.
And so she set me up for the appointment and I was supposed to go to the
appointment nine o'clock that morning.
And I can remember waking up like maybe 3, 4 a.
m.
that morning and trying to go to the restroom.
And I just couldn't, I remember I couldn't.
My body was telling me to go to the right, but I was going to the left.
And so I was like, forget it.
And I just laid back down.
And so the next thing I know, when I woke up, I was in the emergency room.
And so my husband said, what happened was he tried to, I was on the sofa sleep.
He tried to wake me up that morning to go to the appointment
because he had to take me.
They said I had to be heavenly sedated.
So he had to take me to the appointment.
And when he tried to wake me up, I was unresponsive and unconscious.
And so he called the ambulance and they came and picked me up.
And when I got to the emergency room, they told my husband and my family
that If I hadn't gotten better within a couple of a hour, I think they
said then I was gonna die that day.
And so my mom, who now was strong in the faith, , she knew what to do.
She knew to call her pastor, which was, lemme take it.
And so her pastor, when I was, younger, I did go to church, some with my mom when I
lived with my mom when I was a teenager.
And, The church that she was going to when I got older, I was like,
Oh, they stay in church too long.
I'm never going to that church when I get old.
And so she called that pastor, which is my pastor now.
And he was on his way out of town and he turned around to come back.
To the hospital.
And when he came to the hospital, he said, let me go and pray and
see what the Lord is saying.
And so he told her that the Lord said that this sickness is not unto death.
And so at that moment, my mom being this believing woman of
God, she started believing it.
And then, so by that time, my sisters, my sister was strong in the faith.
Both of my sisters, I was playing church, they knew the Lord at that
time and so they knew what to do.
So now the word, the Lord has spoken, the Lord has said this
sickness is not unto death.
And so what they did was they started praying, they started
reading the Bible with me.
They were on shifts.
Nobody left me.
They didn't let negative people come in.
They didn't let, anybody come in that has anything negative
to say, they didn't allow it.
They were speaking faith over me.
And so until this day.
I can, I believe that whenever you are in trouble that you need some people
in your life that are not playing church, that are genuine and authentic
and that they really know the Lord and they can get a prayer through.
Jesse: yeah.
Kina: and so I believe that and I tell people that we have to have some people
in our lives that has a connection with the Lord that has a relationship
that when you're in trouble that.
They can ring up heaven on your behalf and they can get a
word or get a prayer through.
And so that's very important to me.
And while in the hospital, I was in there for 10 days.
And so they ran all kinds of tests trying to figure out what was going on with me.
And they found nothing.
They found nothing.
And so my blood was low.
But the funny thing is the, the emergency room doctor told me that my blood was
so low that had I got up that morning and went for that procedure, it would
have killed me instantly because They was going to heavily sedate me.
And so she said it would have killed me instantly.
And so the Lord did not allow me to make that appointment.
had another appointment
Jesse: Wow.
Kina: in the ER.
And so when they said that, I wasn't going to make it, my family was
praying, Oh no, she is going to make it.
And so they prayed and helped pull me through and I never got sick again.
And so they never found anything wrong.
And so that's my testimony on how the Lord brought me in.
And so when I was in the hospital, I told the Lord, and I didn't know what I was
saying because I wasn't deep in the faith.
I didn't know anything about faith, but I told him, I said, if you bring
me out of this, I'll serve you.
I can remember telling him that crying and telling him, if you
bring me out, I'll serve you.
And so from then on.
I've been serving the Lord.
And so I will say that was in 2000 in June, 2009.
And I can say that my life didn't change right away because once we
come to and give the Lord our life completely before I was playing church.
And so once we come and we truly give the Lord our life, it's a process.
Things take place in our lives.
Our lives change is a process.
And so I can remember the first time that.
A deliverance took him took place in my life past the healing because the Lord
healed me and I'm so thankful for that.
And so I can remember I started going to church every Sunday.
I was getting up going to church every Sunday after he helped me.
And but nothing changed.
I was still, I can remember just I had a real foul mouth.
I cursed a lot.
And so every other word was like a cuss word.
And so I can remember getting up one Sunday morning, get ready to go to church.
And my husband made me mad and I can remember just flicking all
kind of F bombs be transparent to him, about three, I can remember.
And I can remember going out to the house, getting ready to go to church.
And oh my gosh, I felt so bad.
I never felt bad before.
I felt so bad.
And then when I got to church, My pastor was teaching on the tongue
Jesse: Wow.
Kina: how deadly and how deadly the tongue is.
And I can't remember the message.
I just remember he was talking to me the whole message and I can
remember he did the altar call.
And he said, anyone who wants the Lord to deliver them from
their tongue, come to the altar.
And at that point I had a decision to make.
My, my body was like burning like fire.
I felt like fire because I knew he was talking to me and I knew I
was supposed to go to the altar.
sometimes shame will kick in and you won't go because you don't
want people looking at you.
But at that moment I wanted to, I didn't want to curse anymore.
so I went to the altar and when I went to the altar, he prayed for me and I, and
this was in 2009 and I never cursed again.
So that day I was delivered from my mouth.
And so when I think about that and I think about when, when we say, I
want to change before I come to the Lord, we can't change ourselves.
He do the changing.
And and it's a process, and so he delivered me that day, and that was
the first of deliverances that he did for me, besides the healing.
Jesse: as you were saying that, I was thinking that verse from Proverbs, death
and life are in the power of the tongue.
I was thinking about how ignorant we are before he enlightens
us that we are to actually.
killing ourselves, killing relationships, and just, speaking death with our
tongues, and we just can't speak life until he brings us to life.
Kina: amen.
That is so true.
And so it's amazing when I think about how he delivered me from
that because I was bad years.
So just years from the time that I can remember growing up, I've
always, use my tongue in that way.
And so to get deliverance right then he is the only one that can
do something like that for us.
And so he delivered me that day from my tongue.
And so I just, after that, I could just remember just going to church.
I remember trying to, go back to work, but, I was like, no, I don't
think I should go back cause I got sick at, when I was there.
And so that my pastor, now he was like, no, I think you should go back to work.
And I was like, no, I'm not going to go back.
And so I quit my job.
For two years, I didn't work when I wanted to.
So it was a point where I wanted to go back to work, but I didn't work.
And so in those two years, I just was, reading my word and, serving him wherever
I could, whatever I could put my hands to.
I just remember just serving him.
And, but I also think it was a humbling experience that sometimes
we got to be obedient and Not doing things that we want to do, but be
led by the spirit to do some things.
And so it humbled me to know some things you don't, you just don't
do because you don't want to do.
And after that two years not working, then I started to work at the
post office, which I'm there now.
I've been to the post office since 2011 and I was praying and
I was talking to the Lord and I was asking him, what can I share?
That is, significant and he wanted me to share my testimony about my son.
And so what happened was in, 2010, he, he was a juvenile, he was 16 years old.
And so this is the hardest thing that has ever happened to me in my life.
And the hardest thing that I had to go through.
in my life.
And so he was 16 years old and he got arrested and he
was facing 11 felony charges.
And so I was so sad because I did not want, I didn't know what to do.
And I was, I'm still knowing the faith and just, not knowing what to do.
And praying and, I can remember my pastor praying, not talking to him about it.
And he, he said, I'll pray with you.
And he prayed with me and he said, the Lord said that he's going to be okay.
And so I was like, okay.
And then his attorney started calling me and telling me, once you get a word in.
It just seemed like that word is not coming to pass.
The other things are happening that tried to discourage you
from the word that you got.
And so his attorney would call me every time, Oh, they found something else.
They found something else.
And one day I could just find myself just boohoo crying.
Lord, I thought he was going to be okay.
And.
I can remember my pastor, I called him, I told him, they said this
crying, pouring out my heart.
And he said, Keena, if your son goes to jail to do some time,
it's going to be because of you.
And my unbelief, I was like, huh?
And so I snapped out of crying.
And at that moment, I started to.
Believe I started to walk by faith because they still was coming and
telling me all of these things, but I wouldn't let it affect me.
And so he was facing 11 years in prison, 11 counts, 11 years.
And so everyone was telling me, Oh, you need to get an attorney.
You need to get a pay for attorney.
And I was like, no, the Lord's going to take care of it.
The Lord's going to take care of it.
And I know everybody's situation is different.
And, The Lord will have everybody do different things.
And so I didn't believe I was supposed to get an attorney.
So we went with the public defender and so go on with the public defender.
It's no, you should get an attorney.
You're going to make him do time.
He's going to do time.
And so what ended up happening was he ended up not.
During the 11 years, I prayed.
I was asking the Lord, I said, Lord, how long is he going to go away for?
And he told me two years and I stood on that two years.
And so at the end, what ended up happening when he got sentenced, he only was charged
with two charges, not the 11 and he.
Was charged with four years, but he only ended up doing two and there
was not a, it was not a complete two.
It was, I would say two still, because he was, in the juvenile jail.
And then, They sent him to a jail in Gainesville, which
only house, kids 19 to 24.
So he didn't go to a hardcore jail.
And so he went there for a year, a little over a year, but the last six
months he ended up in work release.
So he wasn't even, it was two years, but he wasn't even Lord worked it
out where I was able to go 45 minutes every Saturday to go and see him.
He allowed, when I thought he was doing, he.
It was for me, but he needed it as well.
So when I was praying, Lord, let him out.
He needed it because it was some things going on that he needed to get rid of.
so while the Lord had him there, I couldn't see it.
At first when I was praying, Lord, let him go.
But the Lord knew, and so the Lord was working on him.
And so he got out in 2000 and, 14.
It's never been back since.
So this year is 10 years.
And so that was another thing that the Lord, helped me and brought me
through and strengthened me because some things that we go through, we
don't automatically get out of it, but he strengthens us through the process.
And so
Jesse: I ask you, did you have any particular verses that you were
hanging on to during this time?
Kina: during that time, I can't remember that.
I do, but I will share a verse that, I've been hanging on to for
years that, I forgot to share.
So when I did, when I first got saved and I did lose when I depart,
when I did lose my job for, when I quit my job for the two years, I can
remember that I didn't have any money.
I can remember about unemployment, running out.
I have any money.
And I can remember going to, the grocery store.
I had 5 besides the groceries I had to get.
I had 5 and this homeless man, he was outside the store and he was asking
me for money to get something to eat.
And I was thinking, I ain't got the 5 and I was like, no, I don't
think I'm going to give him my 5.
And so I just knew I had to give him the 5.
And so I gave him the 5 and When he was talking to me, it was like I couldn't
understand what he was saying at first.
I could understand the 5 for food, but I understood what he
said to me clearly after that.
He said, Galatians 6 and 9.
And I couldn't wait to get home, to get into Galatians 6
and 9, and see what did it say.
And it says, and let us not be weary.
And well doing, but in due season, we shall reap if we faint not.
And so that has been sticking with me for years, because when I think about
that scripture, I think about how, when it says, and let us not be weary, is
that along the journey, some things happen in our lives that we do get weary.
And he said, don't allow ourselves to get weary.
Don't get discouraged.
in due season.
We will reap if we fake not.
As long as we don't give up, there is a season that we will reap.
And when I was thinking about the reaping, it used to be where, when I
can hear, the Lord's about to bless you, the Lord's about to bless you, you
always think like monetary things, right?
And so the spiritual things are better.
And so the in due season that you reap, I think about my life and I think about
all of the struggles and the battles and the trials and the tribulations.
I think about what he was doing on the inside of me.
And I think about how, how he has brought me through so many things
and he strengthened me in the midst of it, he still allowed me
to have joy in the midst of them.
Still allow me to have hope and walk in faith, in the midst
of it, when it seems like.
Everything was gonna, fall apart.
I'm still walking in hope and joy and peace and love and all of these things.
And so when I think about reaping, I think about reaping these spiritual
things, these spirit, cause that's what it's all about is the spiritual,
not so much as the natural.
Has he blessed me?
Yes.
he ended up blessing me with a good job, a nice home, all of these things,
but those are not the best things.
The best things that he has blessed me with.
It's just precious.
Spirit, his precious strength,
all of these things are things that he is so richly blessed me with.
And so when I think about that, I just think about how good that God is.
So that scripture is one that has stuck with me for years.
Jesse: Wow, yeah, that's funny because I was just studying that yesterday,
Kina: Really?
Jesse: when you're going through, A trial that lasts a long time.
You really need to remember every single day, think not, keep believing.
That's why they call us believers, right?
Kina: Yeah, it is.
It is so true.
It is.
We have to, to keep believing.
And so I was, I was praying and I was asked, I was like, what's
the most challenging thing that I have ever been through?
Now, the hardest thing I believe was my son, I asked the Holy Spirit because he
knows us better than we know ourselves.
And so I was like, what is the most challenging thing that I have
went through, over these years?
And he said, resting.
So resting.
Has been one of the most challenging things.
I can remember a time years ago, maybe about seven years ago, he told me to
be still in a situation and be still.
It's not like it's not don't do nothing right when we think about be still.
It just means let him do what we cannot do.
when I think about this deal, I think about let him do what we cannot do.
And I think about, allowing him to work instead of us trying to work ourselves,
but allowing him to work and to not move in the situation until he tells us to.
And I was just thinking about that resting, when he said resting was one
of the hardest things, and I think when we're not resting, we're not trusting.
And a lot of things that we go through is we're not resting
because we're not totally trusting.
And So that's one of the most challenging things that he said that I wrestled
with over the years is not resting.
Jesse: I'm glad you said that because I've never really thought of it that way.
You could substitute rest for trust, Rest in the Lord with all your heart.
Kina: it's true.
Jesse: Yeah, that's good.
Kina: Yeah.
Jesse: Thank you.
Kina: and Three things.
I'm the kind of like the, whenever, I want to know
something, I always ask the spirit.
Jesse: Yeah.
Kina: sometimes he may not answer, sometimes he do.
some of the things that, that I'm sharing, he's answered over time, over,
So I asked him, because I've heard people say, ask the Lord, some
things like, to be transparent.
One of the things that's hard for me is, speaking, right?
It's very hard for me to get in front of people and speak.
And I, it's this fear that comes.
And so I heard someone say, ask the Lord, how do he see you?
And I asked him, I said, Lord, how do you see me?
And he said, strong.
And I said, Oh, cause I don't see myself that way.
I didn't at the time.
And but I realized that to be strong means you're gonna have to go through
some things that's gonna make you strong.
And so we don't automatically have that strength, not that supernatural
strength like that, unless we go through some things that make us strong.
And so I asked, that was the first, I asked him three things.
That was the first thing.
The second thing I asked him was, what do he see in me that I don't see in myself?
And he said, triumph.
I said, huh.
Okay.
And so my prayer to him was, Lord, open my eyes to see what
Let me see myself as you see me.
And then the third and the last thing I asked him was, Lord, what have you
placed in me to give to the world?
And he said, love.
I said, Oh.
And so I realized all of these things that he has placed in me and
you and us It produces love in us.
So all of these things that we go through, it produces fruit in us.
And we don't realize it at the time when we go through a lot of trials and
tribulations we don't go, we go through.
If we don't give up, if we stay focused, if we keep, serving, if we keep, our daily
walk, if we don't give up, it's producing something in us if we allow it to.
And so
when I think about love and the Lord is the only one who can take
a trial and place love in you.
So I can tell you honestly that in my life now I have nothing in my heart against
anyone and Nothing but love and I know that only comes from the Lord because
that's, that has not always been there.
And so all of the things that I have went through in my life, I realized
that it has strengthened me, but also it had placed these things
in me that was never there before.
And when they showed up, I don't know.
I just know that they're there like forgiveness.
had some people that have really done me wrong, spoke
bad about me, treated me wrong.
And my response to that is to pray for them.
have never done that before.
so in our trials and in our tribulation, it produces fruit in our lives and the
Lord is the only one that can do that.
And so we can forgive and love and pray for people that we've
never been able to do it before.
So we don't realize that some things that we go through is producing a greaterness
in us than we could ever realize.
Jesse: Yes.
you talk about love and forgiveness and the same breath.
And that's awesome because I really think that's, the gift that he gives us just to.
To see that we really don't have any right to not forgive other people based
on what he's already forgiven us for.
Kina: Amen.
And I had a situation where I had to forgive someone and it wasn't a struggle.
it's amazing because it was not a struggle.
And the thing about it is that what I told someone because they couldn't
believe, this type of forgiveness.
And so what I told him was that the Lord has been so merciful to me.
He's been so good to me and he has forgiven me for all of the things,
my sins that I've done before.
And even if I do anything now, if I confess my faults, he is
faithful and just to forgive us.
And so how can I not as good as he's been to me?
And when I look back over my life and see.
see who I used to be and who I am now, how can I not forgive someone
because God has forgiven me.
So how can I be merciless to someone and he has not been merciless to me.
And so that forgiveness is powerful.
And when I was thinking about Jesus before he, he left the earth and, two
things that when he watched the disciples speak that I saw that he instituted.
was, serving and love.
And so those two go together,
When I think about when I was in the hospital and I said, Lord, I'll serve you.
I didn't know what that meant.
And so I do, whatever I find my hands to do, I do it, cause we're serving him.
We're serving.
His people.
And so we're serving people.
We're serving the Lord because he doesn't really need us to serve him.
He doesn't need any service from us, but who needs the services is people.
And so whether we clean the church, we're cleaning it, we're serving
him because we're the people that's coming to sit down, they come sit
in some nice, comfortable, clean place, or rather we're ministry.
It doesn't matter.
if we're, when we're serving him, we're serving people.
And so when he before he left the earth, he instituted, humble serving and love.
And so those two to me go together.
And I think when we're serving him and we're serving people, it produces
this love in us that We don't know where it comes from, or we know where
it comes from, but it just comes and it's like, where, when did it come.
And so I think those things.
So I think that, over the years, when I can look back over my life, I can
say that God has truly been good.
And I can say he has brought me from a long way and he has
changed me in so many ways.
And when, I share my faith with other people and they share what they believe,
if we're not believing the same thing, my thing, I would never, say anything about
anybody else's religion, but what I will say to them is I believe what I believe.
And.
What I would tell them is just give Jesus a try.
So anybody, my response would be is to just give him a try and see.
taste and see.
David said, taste and see.
We taste and see for ourselves just how good he is.
Jesse: speaking of serving, do you have any ministries that you've been
involved in that you want to talk about?
And what learned through them?
Kina: so over the right now I'm, serving, I serve at, hospice and
the law have me serving there.
And so I go in, weekly and I sit with a few people, just depends on,
I've had five people at one time, sometimes one, sometimes three.
And so I, I just, I go and I sit with them and some I read, some
I, we listen to music and some you just, I just sit there and though,
and some, a lot of them can't talk.
And so because the Lord sent me there, I know that there is a reason.
And so if they can't talk, then, what I do at.
and serving there is certain things that you can't do, you can't really,
unless they say something about the Bible, you just can't, just
start speaking your faith to them.
But what I will do is I pray for them, rather than, If they allow
me to outwardly, if they give me the opportunity, because if they
start talking about Jesus, that kind of opens the door for me.
But if they don't, then inwardly, I'm praying inwardly, for them that
the Lord bless them or whatever they need and that whenever they leave.
It's let them not leave this earth would not have known you are
accepting you into their hearts.
And so I believe that everything that we, everywhere he sends us to
serve him, it's a purpose for it.
And so that's the main thing that I'm serving.
right now I serve in my church.
I, whatever I find my hands to do.
So I assure clean the church.
I read for my pastor.
I,
Jesse: let me get, before you get too far away from this hospice
thing, this is interesting.
So the Lord led you to visit in hospice.
So you really, you're carrying Jesus with you into this, you're carrying the
presence into this space where, you don't necessarily have to use you know, biblical
words, but you're carrying the with you.
And, have you had any kind of experiences, with the way God
shows up in certain instances?
with
Kina: Actually, so what ended up me volunteering at hospice is we, we were
looking for, our church was looking for somewhere to volunteer for, one Christmas.
It was, not last Christmas, the Christmas before.
And so I just started, just hospice just came up.
And so I was like, Oh, okay, I'll call and see, what can we do at hospice?
And they said the only thing they had was Christmas caroling.
And I was like, Oh, I don't really know how good we are at that, but we'll do it.
so we went and we started to, do the Christmas carols.
And, of course the ones we did, they was pertaining to Jesus.
And one guy came out into the hallway and when we got done, he was like,
can y'all come in and pray for my mom?
They said, she's not going to make it, within a couple of days
or whatever it was, he said.
And so we went in and we sung amazing grace over her and, We prayed for her.
And so when we went in, she was like really stiff.
And so I didn't see it, but, I laid my hands on her and I prayed for her.
And so everyone else who was in the room, they said, they saw
her make a couple of movements.
Like she, she got it, she, whatever it was that she got it.
And so we felt his presence in there.
And so that was the first time that I've experienced, his presence
show up without, a person actually up and, able to say something.
That first time that we recognized that, oh, wow, his presence was really in here.
Cause even her son had said that she hadn't moved and he don't know when.
Jesse: Wow.
Kina: Yeah.
And so after that, I, I was praying about volunteering and it wasn't to hospice.
I was thinking about everybody else.
I was like, okay, maybe, no.
So actually afterwards, I was like, Lord, maybe we can get the group together
and, go to hospice and volunteer.
And he said, why don't just you?
How's that?
Oh, okay.
And that's what made me start volunteering at, at hospice.
Jesse: Wow.
Sounds like the lord's leading.
Kina: Yeah.
So that's what made me.
And so from the personal experiences now that, I haven't really said I've
experienced anything like I did that first time, but not to say nothing is happening
because never know when the presence of the Lord shows up what he's doing.
And the thing about the, like you said, the presence of the Lord is there.
that when he comes into the room, whatever that person need, he can supply it.
And so that's my prayer whenever, before I go.
And when I go in, whatever they need, the prayer that the spirit supplies, whatever
it is that, whether it be salvation, whether it still be healing, because
even though somebody else say you can, go within a Day is whenever the Lord
says, so whether it be healing brother, whatever it is for, you know what they
need and you know how to provide it.
So I just go in like that.
Jesse: that's really a gift because I don't think most people, even
most christians would have the
I don't know what the word is, courage to, the mindset, just the mindset to
be, just be present in, for people who are going through that dying process.
that's really gotta be a gift of the Holy Spirit that you're able to do that.
Wow.
Kina: I was like, okay, Lori, when he said you go, I was like, okay.
yeah.
Jesse: Well,
if there's any One bit of advice that you would give to anybody who's out there
listening, you never know who's listening to these things and, but God knows what
one piece of advice would you, pass along?
Kina: Never give up.
I will say never give up.
I will say that in our trials.
and our tribulations, rather challenging, hard, whatever it may be.
I wouldn't, I would say never give up and to, just trust God.
And once we've given him our lives and Our lives are in his hands, and so whatever
we do go through is that he allows us to go through it, and it's a reason,
and it's a purpose for it, and it's a greater reason, a greater purpose than
we can ever imagine that he is doing.
And so I will say, never give up.
I actually have a, when I was thinking about a couple of things,
if it's okay, I was thinking about a few, three, three things.
The first one was when I was a child and Miss Mary took us to church.
And when the Bible says, train up a child in a way that they should go.
And when they are old, they will never depart from it.
Now we went to church as kids.
And I don't know how many years since Mary took us to church, but over the years
when I got out into the world, I steered away, but I ended back up back in church.
And so even my two sisters, so all of us that, Miss Mary took us to church.
We're all in church.
We're all serving the Lord.
We all did our own thing for years, but we all ended up back in church.
And so that is a scripture that has come full fruition in my life.
Is that bring them up in church.
They know when trouble comes, they know when they need help, they know
where to go, because it's when you don't know where to go, what do you do?
And but when we're trained up in church, then we know that
we end back up in that place.
And so the next thing is that for people that are new in the faith
is that we can't change ourselves.
Only the Lord can do it.
All He asks us to do is just come.
And when we come, He'll do everything else.
And so he works in us and in miraculous ways, we'll never
be able to understand it.
And we'll, we know that, I know that when we do come to him is
that, we won't change automatically.
So when I first got.
Actually, I, when I first gave my life totally to him, when I gave my life
to him, I won't say totally to him.
Cause that's, that was a process when I gave my life to him.
When I said, I accept him as my Lord and savior, nothing changed
in my life, but I continue to.
Go to church.
I continue to seek him.
I continue.
And then over time it changed.
Things start breaking off on me like so nothing.
If I go to the altar on Sunday, everything that I did Saturday and years before.
It had not changed, right?
What changes us is Him.
His Word changes us, His Word cleanses us, His Word purges us,
and it heals us, and it delivers us.
And so we just keep going, keep doing, and He'll do everything else.
And so we can't change ourselves, allow Him to change us.
And then for us, The ones that do, I w the faith is to not give the faith and trust
and b he says that all things w are good.
So all things s like their good, but the Bible said it's working for our good.
And so as long as we're in his hands, then everything that we go
through is working for our good.
And we probably won't see it now, but we will see it later because some
things that, I went through, I didn't see it at the time, but what he has
produced in me now, I can see it.
I can see it.
And I'm so thankful and so grateful for it.
Jesse: that's, I'm glad you said all that.
I was thinking about how, Miss Mary.
planted some seeds and, it took a long time for those seeds to, to come up.
They had to be watered and cultivated, right?
Kina: Yes.
Jesse: But God's word never returns void and, it may, some crops take
longer to, produce than others.
And, and I think about, in our lives.
Our lives really are like gardens, we plant seeds, whether good or bad,
whether weeds or flowers and, whatever
seeds we're planting, we're going to reap, Miss Mary sowed into your
life and, eventually those two.
Those seeds produce fruit and it's the Holy Spirit, like Jesus told
Nicodemus, you can't see the Holy Spirit, but it's, he's acting, right?
just having faith in that is, is just knowing that is,
is faith producing, I think.
Kina: Amen.
I, and when I think about that, it's so true because we can, like you
said, the scripture says one plant, one water, God give the increase.
And so we can plant something in somebody and we don't see
anything happening, right?
Because it's not for us.
As long as we do our job, it's just planting or watering.
Somebody, we might plant, somebody come along and water, but it's
God that gives the increase.
And so I, I can remember telling this young lady, she was saying that, she
believed that, the, her ministry is ministering to young people, 25 to
30 years old, but she don't really like people and talking to people,
but yet she has a 25 year old and a 30 year old.
And so I told her, I said, just think about how you're saved.
you want your 25 year old and your 30 year old to be saved too.
They may not listen to you, but they may listen to somebody else.
And so you're praying that the Lord sends some people across their
pathway that will minister to them.
And so those people who's coming to you.
Their parents could be praying the same thing that the Lord sent
some people across my path, her pathway, that will minister to.
So the Lord want to use you in that capacity.
You got to be ready to be used because it's not all about us.
And so if we can encourage and motivate and help other people, then
that's what we're supposed to do.
It is what we're supposed to do.
And
Jesse: Absolutely.
Yeah, I've had, I'm grateful for the people who have prayed for
me and my family over the years.
kids,
They could hear things a thousand times from the parents, but then a
stranger says it and they take it in.
Kina: it in.
They take it in.
We never know who the Lord used to, we, we just don't know.
Wishes.
Always be ready to give an answer of the hope that's within us.
So we got to always be ready to help other people because that
is what the world is in need of.
in need of help.
And, when we talking about the planting and the watering and God
giving the increase and trials and tribulations and the things that he
put inside of us is not just for us.
He puts it in, we have the Holy Spirit on the inside of us.
For us to help us to live this life.
But we have his presence upon us to help other people.
And so we got to always be ready to help other people because that's what
this life is all about to show others, his love and his grace and his mercy.
Cause how else would they see it?
You can't, they can't just, they can't physically see him, but.
They can see us who say that we are disciples and we are followers.
And so we have to be able to go through some things.
So some things can be in us in order for us to be fruit for other
people, ourselves and other people.
Jesse: absolutely.
And when we're reaching out to others with the same comfort that
God has given us, that's when we can really feel his presence,
Kina: Amen.
That's true.
Jesse: It's like water flowing through the hose.
Kina: That's so true.
It's so true.
And I just think about how, it is an honor though, to be able
to serve him and to help others.
I think about how he has given us the gift of his precious Holy
Spirit to be able to help others.
And so if he has gifted us with it, then we cannot not.
encourage and help other people.
We don't have that privilege.
Jesse: Right.
I keep thinking about your experience with hospice and how the Lord led you there.
And, I'll share a little story, I'll, I may cut it out, but just for
you because I know you'll get it.
so my dad died in 85.
My mother remarried a really great, strong Christian guy a few years later.
And.
And then, they were married for 19 years, and then when he was dying at home, and
my brother and I would take turns sitting with him, and he was in a hospital bed
in their master bedroom at home, and we would administer pain meds and just
be with him, and he couldn't talk.
But he just knew, he was present, it wasn't comatose or anything.
the day that he died, I remember I was sitting there with him
and I was holding his hand.
his daughter had come from North Carolina because we knew it was close.
So my mom and his daughter were out in the kitchen and I was
in the bedroom with Claude.
and I just sensed that it was time and his breathing started getting further apart.
further and further apart, and I was holding his hands, and, I
just felt a presence in the room.
And all of a sudden, the verse, think it's John 14, 6, something like that,
that where Jesus told his disciples, if, I'm going to prepare a place for
you, and when I do, I'll come back and bring you so you can be where I am.
And all of a sudden, that verse came to mind, And I called my mom and
his daughter into the room and they held his hand and he breathed his
last and that was such a blessing.
But I'll never forget that because I felt like Jesus was coming for him.
taking him back to his mansion.
Kina: Wow.
Jesse: Yeah, that was such an awesome experience.
And it's given me a lot of hope that, you know, he really shows up when we need him.
Kina: Amen.
And you know when you were talking about that to share another experience that
happened at hospice, I wasn't volunteering at hospice it wasn't a patient that
I want to see but it was a neighbor that, of ours that was in hospice.
And so me and my sister, my oldest sister, and my mom and my youngest sister.
Whenever someone's in the hospital, it's Oh gosh, we got to go.
We got to pray.
we led by the spirit to go and pray, cause like I said, in my testimony, if I
had not had faithful people who believed in the Lord and was really, walking
with him, they can get a prayer through.
I don't know if the situation would have turned out.
The way that it turned out.
And and what I forgot to, I can remember is, two years before I got
sick, I had a dream and in the dream, a doctor came to me and the doctor
said, you got two years to live, that I had, some kind of brain issue.
And I had two years to live that dream shook me.
And so two years after.
It's when I went through the whole thing where I was about to die and all of that.
But so the importance of people, showing up in a time of need is, when me and my
sister, we went to, our, to hospice and it was a neighbor and He was unconscious.
they said he, he couldn't talk or anything.
And but we still prayed.
And so we held his hands and we prayed for him and we prayed that if he didn't
receive salvation, we was just praying, Lord receive him and all of this.
And he winked at us after the prayer, he winked.
He did as if to say he received it, you know, and and I learned this from,
our friend, myself, it's because it's, over the years we grow, we grow in
knowledge and I was asking him, I was like, because somebody asked me one time
before, if someone's in a coma, do you think that they can receive salvation?
And I was like, no, I don't think so.
Because, yeah.
They can't speak.
They can't confess it with their mouth.
And so our friend, Mike Selfie, shared with me that we're
speaking to their spirit.
And so the spirit in them, here's what you're saying to them.
And so we're talking to their spirit.
And so when he winked at us, it's Oh my gosh, he heard.
So we pray he made it in, I don't know, so it's just a presence and like he was.
The presence and the power of God is that we don't know, with his presence, when
we're, praying for someone, we don't know what it's doing on the inside of somebody.
We have no idea.
And so we're just charged to do our part and then let him do everything else.
And so that is another thing that, the Lord has, has me
doing is that, hospital visits.
When I find out somebody's in the hospital, I'll be ready to go pray.
Jesse: Oh, man.
Kina: Of course, being led by the spirit, but, I definitely, cause I,
when I think about the Lord changing my life, it's like now that I really
want people to make it into heaven.
I really don't want people to leave this earth with not having
received the Lord into their hearts.
And when somebody is in a situation to where they need prayer or they
don't know that they need prayer, try to, do my part and, go, and pray.
asking the Holy Spirit to heal them, deliver them, and
whatever it is that they need.
Some people need a spiritual healing.
Some people need, like in the Bible, a lot of times it wasn't so
much as the physical healing, like the man at the Pool of Bethesda.
He needed a spiritual healing.
He got both.
He got physical healing, but he needed a spiritual healing first.
Because when the Lord asked him, did he want to be made whole?
At the end of it, he told him don't sin no more.
And so it was sin that had him in that situation.
So He needed a spiritual healing and then he got both.
He got a spiritual and a physical.
So I realized some people they could be spiritually need a physical healing.
Some people spiritual, physical, they may need a spiritual healing, but
they made a need a complete healing.
You never know.
So I'm always mindful and praying and asking the Lord to give
them what He knows they need.
I don't know.
I can look at a person and say, Oh man, they sick and in hospital.
They need a physical healing, but that could not be what it is that they need.
They need that spiritual healing, which can cause them to get
a physical healing as well.
And so always acknowledging the Lord before I do anything or go anywhere
that he knows what a person needs.
He knows us better than we know ourselves.
Jesse: Yeah.
Absolutely.
I've been, I was thinking about how, when God created, when it says in
Genesis that we are created in his image.
And, then he sent Jesus so that we could be reunited with that.
So we are spirit.
If we have a soul and we live in a body, right?
So it's a package.
But I think what connects us as human beings is we all, we are
connected in God through that spirit.
Some more than others, or some aware of it than others.
And so we can pray.
We can't transmit spirit to between ourselves and other people, like
people that, like you say, are in a coma or something like that.
they, they might not be able to physically respond, but.
But through God's Holy Spirit, we do, we are able to communicate.
And I think that's a blessing that God doesn't make us aware of that because
we might get a big head about it.
We might start thinking, we're God,
Kina: Yes.
Jesse: we're just an instrument, right?
Kina: Yeah, just the instrument being used by the Lord, which is a blessing.
Jesse: I can tell that you, God is really using you, because He's given
you this, desire and willingness to put yourself out there in, in the,
to these really tough situations.
People with, people are dying or sick in the hospital or whatever.
So that, that really is a gift.
Kina: yeah.
Amen.
And When I think about it too, I know that, it's because of his
love that he has placed in us and, his love being produced in us.
And because without his type, with that, with his type of love, that
agape, unconditional love, or love that, wants to be able to help other
people or love that wants to be able to look beyond people's thoughts,
and still identify the need, right?
And so it is only his love.
And I think that's why it's love is the greatest commandment because
his love, when I think about, other religions, And I think about, being
a Christian, the basis and the foundation of our faith is love, right?
It's based on love.
And so he instituted that and, it's the greatest commandment.
And so where we're able to, show others love.
Really from a genuine love, not just from lip service, but from the heart
and people know the difference.
so when we're able to, from the heart, serve out of love, help out
of love, it all comes from him.
And it's that it's the only type of love that he can provide, that he can give
and that, that, that he has placed on the inside of us to share with the world.
so that's why.
our, Christian faith is.
The best faith, the only faith.
Jesse: when Jesus told the disciples, he says, and this is my commandment
that you love one another, that when Jesus, when God commands something,
he's, his command comes with an enablement, the, with the power to do it.
he wouldn't command us to do something that we, he doesn't
also give us the power to do.
Kina: amen.
Jesse: Where else is it going to come from?
Kina: It is true.
Jesse: Yeah.
Kina: It is true.
He said that, I was going to say something.
I lost it.
So maybe I supposed to say it.
Jesse: That's right.
Kina: it is his love and it is the greatest commandment and, and it is a
Jesse: you just embody that.
I can feel it.
And, this has been such a blessing being able to talk to you today
and I, our time is about out.
But, if there's anything else you want to add, please feel free.
Otherwise, would you pray for our listeners?
Kina: I will, father, we thank you.
We thank you so much.
We thank you for being so good.
So faithful, so consistent.
Amen.
So loving, so merciful and so kind.
We thank you for your tender mercies.
That's better than life.
And we thank you father for being with us.
And we thank you for loving us.
And we thank you for, sending Jesus, your only begotten son,
that all we have to do is believe in him and that is our salvation.
And so we thank you for our salvation.
We thank you for allowing us to be a part of your salvation plan.
And we thank you for using us for your glory.
So father, I pray for the listeners.
All of the ones who don't know you yet that will come to know you.
I pray, Father, that, the day that they hear your heart, the day that
they hear your voice, that their heart, that they hearten, not their hearts.
And for those of us, Father, that are walking with you and going through
trials and going through tribulations, Father, give us the strength and, the
courage and the help to move forward.
To not give up, to trust you in all things and know that all things are
working together for our goods and help us to, not lose hope because
hope make us not ashamed because your love is shed abroad in our hearts
and is by your precious Holy spirit.
So help us to move forward and help us to know that whatever we may face
in this life, that there is a greater purpose and that, the things that
we go through father, it helps us.
It strengthens us and, helps us to help others.
And we thank you.
We thank you for all that you do in our lives, and we thank you
for who you are in our lives.
And I pray, Father, that the testimony and this call and the things that
were said will edify someone.
And, glorify you.
And I pray father that, I thank you so much.
I thank you for allowing me to be able to have a conversation
on your podcast with Mr.
Duke's on this day.
Thank you for blessing him with such a blessed podcast that edify your people
and glorify you and want to help your people, encourage your people, motivate
your people, and to, Listen to the testimonies and how good and merciful and
graceful, gracious that you have been to all of us and how you continue to work
through us to help us and to keep us.
So Father, I pray that millions want to give their testimony, not
just a few people, but millions.
And they'd be multiplied father, those numbers that only you can
do, and we know that you can.
And so we say thank you and all of the ones that you want to give your
testimony, father, help give us, help to give them courage and to,
to come and give their testimony.
And we thank you.
Thank you for all that you are doing, and thank you for all
that you are in Jesus' name.
Amen.
Jesse: Amen.
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Thank you for listening today and Shalom.