WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:09.690 --> 00:00:13.110 Cailin: Welcome everyone to Faith and Purpose podcast. 00:00:13.870 --> 00:00:19.050 Each episode of this podcast contains the personal testimony of an ordinary person 00:00:19.069 --> 00:00:21.810 transformed by an extraordinary God. 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.640 My name is Kaylin and I'm here to introduce this podcast 00:00:25.650 --> 00:00:27.180 for my friend Jesse Duke. 00:00:27.790 --> 00:00:33.259 Jesse is a husband, father, author, life recovery guide, lay counselor, 00:00:33.740 --> 00:00:37.820 and small group leader, but his most important role is disciple. 00:00:38.260 --> 00:00:39.710 As a disciple of Jesus. 00:00:40.190 --> 00:00:44.280 Jesse created this podcast to help other believers tell their faith stories. 00:00:44.830 --> 00:00:48.629 We'll be hearing the personal testimonies of all sorts of people 00:00:48.629 --> 00:00:52.560 who have one thing in common, Jesus has transformed their lives. 00:00:53.465 --> 00:00:57.555 Jesus used parables because he created us to learn best through story. 00:00:57.985 --> 00:01:02.775 And as we listen to how God has worked in others lives, we find encouragement 00:01:02.785 --> 00:01:05.075 and inspiration for our own faith walk. 00:01:05.564 --> 00:01:09.935 Whether you are already a believer or just a curious seeker, we believe that 00:01:09.955 --> 00:01:14.244 as you listen to these stories, you will be encouraged on your own faith journey. 00:01:14.544 --> 00:01:18.954 We are sure that God can speak to you through one of these episodes and that you 00:01:18.954 --> 00:01:23.044 will see that our Heavenly Father truly works all things together for our good. 00:01:23.380 --> 00:01:25.290 When we simply love and trust him. 00:01:25.990 --> 00:01:29.360 If you are currently going through a trial, we believe that you will come 00:01:29.360 --> 00:01:34.150 to see that your troubles, heartbreaks, and failures are not gravestones, but 00:01:34.180 --> 00:01:36.750 stepping stones into new life in Christ. 00:01:37.180 --> 00:01:39.170 Here's Jesse with today's guest. 00:01:54.253 --> 00:01:57.423 Jesse: Welcome everybody to Faith and Purpose podcast. 00:01:57.853 --> 00:02:02.603 I'm very excited to have my new friend Kina to tell her faith story today. 00:02:02.613 --> 00:02:03.683 How are you doing today, Kina? 00:02:04.393 --> 00:02:05.693 Kina: I'm doing amazing. 00:02:05.703 --> 00:02:06.623 How are you today? 00:02:07.868 --> 00:02:10.898 Jesse: I'm great and I'm really excited to hear your story. 00:02:11.563 --> 00:02:12.923 So tell us what it was like. 00:02:12.923 --> 00:02:15.803 where were you born and just start from the beginning. 00:02:15.803 --> 00:02:17.923 Tell us your whole Jesus story. 00:02:18.758 --> 00:02:19.228 Kina: Okay. 00:02:19.498 --> 00:02:22.478 Well, I was born in Jacksonville, Florida. 00:02:23.338 --> 00:02:24.598 I've been here all my life. 00:02:25.168 --> 00:02:29.528 I went to all of the local schools here, elementary, woolen acres. 00:02:29.618 --> 00:02:31.838 Middle school, I went to Susie Taubert. 00:02:31.848 --> 00:02:34.998 We had, we didn't have a combined 6th through 8th grade like they 00:02:34.998 --> 00:02:39.488 do now, but I went Susie Taubert 6th grade, James 12th and 7th, 00:02:39.488 --> 00:02:41.948 Lakeshore 8th grade, and William M. 00:02:41.948 --> 00:02:42.898 Raines High School. 00:02:43.248 --> 00:02:44.558 I graduated from William M. 00:02:44.568 --> 00:02:45.718 Raines High School. 00:02:46.983 --> 00:02:48.293 1990, four. 00:02:48.803 --> 00:02:50.723 I am 48 years old. 00:02:51.183 --> 00:02:52.053 I'm married. 00:02:52.473 --> 00:02:56.345 I've been married for 18 years to my, wonderful husband, Michael 00:02:56.345 --> 00:02:59.223 Green . And I have one son. 00:02:59.933 --> 00:03:05.813 He actually just turned 30 on the 14th of July, and one granddaughter, she's. 00:03:06.308 --> 00:03:06.818 10. 00:03:06.888 --> 00:03:09.268 She's getting ready to turn 11 on Thursday. 00:03:09.918 --> 00:03:11.978 So July is like a big month for me. 00:03:12.528 --> 00:03:17.948 And first, I want to, say, I want to thank you for this opportunity to be 00:03:17.958 --> 00:03:20.588 able to share my testimony and my story. 00:03:20.978 --> 00:03:24.428 And I pray that it encourages and helps someone else. 00:03:24.678 --> 00:03:28.398 And so I thank you for allowing me to be here this morning. 00:03:29.258 --> 00:03:30.008 growing up. 00:03:30.318 --> 00:03:37.478 here in Jacksonville, my family, I have a close family and growing up as a child. 00:03:37.558 --> 00:03:42.448 my, my family, as I can remember, nobody went to church. 00:03:43.228 --> 00:03:45.778 And so we never went to church as kids. 00:03:45.808 --> 00:03:48.258 nobody in my family ever talked about church. 00:03:48.288 --> 00:03:52.078 far as my close family, as my mom, grandparents, uncles, 00:03:52.118 --> 00:03:54.418 all of them, nobody cousins. 00:03:55.048 --> 00:03:57.968 I just don't remember anyone going to church or even talking about it. 00:03:58.893 --> 00:04:03.949 And so I didn't grow up, going to church until elementary me and my mom 00:04:03.959 --> 00:04:05.799 and my two sisters and my brother. 00:04:06.009 --> 00:04:06.859 I have two sisters. 00:04:06.859 --> 00:04:07.459 let me go back. 00:04:07.459 --> 00:04:13.059 I have two sisters, amazing mom, who is my superhero and a brother. 00:04:13.379 --> 00:04:15.449 And so I have three siblings. 00:04:17.244 --> 00:04:22.604 We all lived on the west side, and I can remember as a child in elementary 00:04:22.604 --> 00:04:28.294 school, the first time I went to church, we lived, in Lackawanna, and we lived 00:04:28.294 --> 00:04:32.024 on this house on the corner, and it was this other house on the opposite 00:04:32.024 --> 00:04:37.524 side of us on the corner, this little old lady knocked on the door, and she 00:04:37.524 --> 00:04:39.259 asked my mom, could she take us there? 00:04:39.419 --> 00:04:40.219 to church with her. 00:04:40.949 --> 00:04:42.139 Her name was Miss Mary. 00:04:42.179 --> 00:04:45.069 And I still remember Miss Mary to this day because I tell so 00:04:45.069 --> 00:04:46.399 many people this testimony. 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:49.269 And so Miss Mary knocked on the door. 00:04:49.539 --> 00:04:51.629 She asked my mom, could she take us to church? 00:04:51.669 --> 00:04:52.739 And my mom said, yes. 00:04:53.159 --> 00:04:56.549 And so my mom allowed me and my two sisters to go to church. 00:04:56.549 --> 00:05:00.819 So all three of us went to church with Miss Mary every Sunday. 00:05:01.444 --> 00:05:02.024 And so Ms. 00:05:02.024 --> 00:05:04.464 Mary, she had us in the choir. 00:05:05.014 --> 00:05:08.484 She had us singing solos and none of us sing. 00:05:09.454 --> 00:05:13.434 And, she took us to the altar to get saved as little kids. 00:05:14.264 --> 00:05:15.984 And so I can remember that. 00:05:16.004 --> 00:05:19.194 And I was trying to remember if I could remember getting baptized. 00:05:19.254 --> 00:05:22.864 I believe I did, but I'm not totally sure. 00:05:22.864 --> 00:05:27.324 But, but she took us to church every Sunday and her old station wagon. 00:05:27.324 --> 00:05:31.414 I remember the station wagon and I remember her station wagon broke down. 00:05:32.354 --> 00:05:35.964 And so I remember her taking us on the church bus. 00:05:36.184 --> 00:05:38.984 And so she never stopped taking us to church. 00:05:39.064 --> 00:05:42.404 And so we got tired of going to church because we was like kids. 00:05:43.174 --> 00:05:46.444 And so she would knock on the door and be like, Oh gosh, is that Ms. 00:05:46.444 --> 00:05:46.864 Mary? 00:05:49.064 --> 00:05:51.294 Cause we didn't want to go to church every Sunday. 00:05:51.714 --> 00:05:54.554 And and my mom didn't go to church, but she knew that. 00:05:54.564 --> 00:05:56.404 No, y'all went down to the altar. 00:05:56.614 --> 00:05:58.304 And so y'all are going to church. 00:05:58.974 --> 00:06:00.584 And so she made us go to church. 00:06:00.794 --> 00:06:02.654 Jesse: And how old were you at this time? 00:06:03.214 --> 00:06:04.404 Kina: I was in elementary. 00:06:04.404 --> 00:06:06.644 I don't remember how, what age I was. 00:06:06.684 --> 00:06:08.984 I just remember I was in elementary school. 00:06:08.984 --> 00:06:09.114 Yeah. 00:06:09.154 --> 00:06:09.674 Jesse: Okay. 00:06:10.109 --> 00:06:13.899 Kina: And after that miscarriage, she passed away and I don't 00:06:13.899 --> 00:06:18.879 remember going back to church for a while until I got grown. 00:06:19.989 --> 00:06:22.419 I wasn't a faithful church goer at first. 00:06:22.889 --> 00:06:26.789 I just remember that if people would invite me to church, I would go to church. 00:06:27.259 --> 00:06:28.689 And so that's how that went. 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.059 I went to church if somebody invited me. 00:06:31.744 --> 00:06:34.534 But then I don't know what changed in my life to where I started 00:06:34.534 --> 00:06:36.204 going to church like every Sunday. 00:06:36.834 --> 00:06:42.274 And so every Sunday morning I would get me and my son up and church started at 7 40. 00:06:42.274 --> 00:06:46.714 We would get up, we would go to church, and we would go in listening to a certain 00:06:46.794 --> 00:06:50.364 type of music that Bad music, I would say. 00:06:51.414 --> 00:06:55.204 And when we left out of church, we would leave out listening to that same music. 00:06:56.264 --> 00:06:58.554 And so nothing had changed in my life. 00:06:58.574 --> 00:07:03.394 We both got baptized at this church and whatever services the church had, 00:07:04.424 --> 00:07:07.964 we would go to the services, whatever programs, we would go to the programs, 00:07:07.994 --> 00:07:10.034 but nothing changed in my life. 00:07:10.254 --> 00:07:13.404 And now when I look back over my life, I realized it wasn't the church. 00:07:13.404 --> 00:07:13.964 It was me. 00:07:14.004 --> 00:07:15.064 I wasn't changing. 00:07:15.644 --> 00:07:17.524 And it was this one Sunday. 00:07:18.179 --> 00:07:22.949 Afternoon, I can remember me and my son had went to church and we 00:07:22.949 --> 00:07:24.419 were coming out of Family Dollar. 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:29.649 And so this older gentleman, he came up to us and he asked me, he was like, he tries 00:07:29.649 --> 00:07:32.149 to give me this brochure about Jesus. 00:07:32.659 --> 00:07:34.429 And I said, Oh, I already know Jesus. 00:07:34.429 --> 00:07:35.629 I go to church every Sunday. 00:07:35.629 --> 00:07:36.499 I don't need the brochure. 00:07:37.029 --> 00:07:37.679 That's what I told him. 00:07:38.129 --> 00:07:41.469 And he was like, he had to have the whole spirit to know that I didn't know Jesus. 00:07:42.849 --> 00:07:44.969 And so he asked me, he said, where is Jesus? 00:07:46.244 --> 00:07:49.854 And I was stumped because I had no idea what he meant. 00:07:50.614 --> 00:07:54.884 And so he gave me a minute to think about it and I didn't, I had no answer for him. 00:07:55.334 --> 00:07:58.024 And he told me, he said that he's in your heart. 00:07:58.874 --> 00:08:05.444 And I was like, Oh, I didn't know So me not taking the brochure 00:08:05.474 --> 00:08:08.224 saying I know Jesus had no idea. 00:08:08.964 --> 00:08:09.694 I didn't know Jesus. 00:08:10.634 --> 00:08:14.724 And so of course I took the brochure and then I started to, 00:08:14.774 --> 00:08:16.484 I can remember reading my Bible. 00:08:16.854 --> 00:08:20.694 I can't remember really, and still nothing changing in my life, but 00:08:20.694 --> 00:08:22.394 I still continue to go to church. 00:08:23.479 --> 00:08:29.529 And, leading up to what, caused me to be faithful in church is my testimony. 00:08:30.669 --> 00:08:33.469 And so what happened was I was still going to church. 00:08:34.079 --> 00:08:39.579 And it came this time in my life where I got like really sick and I didn't know why 00:08:39.779 --> 00:08:45.999 I was just like real, real tired all of the time and trying to get out my car just 00:08:46.009 --> 00:08:48.299 to go to work inside the work building. 00:08:49.724 --> 00:08:52.834 It was like I was out of breath by the time I got to the job. 00:08:52.834 --> 00:08:54.024 I had to sit down. 00:08:54.544 --> 00:08:56.814 I was just feeling bad. 00:08:57.504 --> 00:08:59.904 And so when I went to my doctor, we thought it was something 00:08:59.904 --> 00:09:00.964 going on with my stomach. 00:09:01.564 --> 00:09:04.514 And so she gave me these pills, which made me sicker. 00:09:05.014 --> 00:09:07.354 And she set up this appointment for me. 00:09:07.364 --> 00:09:11.574 She said that she was, I can't remember what kind of doctor it was, but they put 00:09:11.574 --> 00:09:15.484 the, camera down your throat and they look inside you to see what's going on. 00:09:15.874 --> 00:09:20.284 So she had set me up for this appointment and I was supposed to go to this 00:09:20.284 --> 00:09:23.034 appointment one morning, like 9 a. 00:09:23.034 --> 00:09:23.284 m. 00:09:23.554 --> 00:09:28.014 Some of the dates I might can't remember in the timing, but this was in 2009. 00:09:28.974 --> 00:09:32.664 And so she set me up for the appointment and I was supposed to go to the 00:09:32.674 --> 00:09:34.814 appointment nine o'clock that morning. 00:09:35.394 --> 00:09:38.394 And I can remember waking up like maybe 3, 4 a. 00:09:38.424 --> 00:09:38.644 m. 00:09:38.654 --> 00:09:41.714 that morning and trying to go to the restroom. 00:09:41.794 --> 00:09:43.544 And I just couldn't, I remember I couldn't. 00:09:44.214 --> 00:09:48.114 My body was telling me to go to the right, but I was going to the left. 00:09:48.874 --> 00:09:50.134 And so I was like, forget it. 00:09:50.154 --> 00:09:51.414 And I just laid back down. 00:09:52.064 --> 00:09:55.904 And so the next thing I know, when I woke up, I was in the emergency room. 00:09:56.884 --> 00:10:00.964 And so my husband said, what happened was he tried to, I was on the sofa sleep. 00:10:01.614 --> 00:10:04.644 He tried to wake me up that morning to go to the appointment 00:10:04.674 --> 00:10:05.874 because he had to take me. 00:10:05.874 --> 00:10:08.424 They said I had to be heavenly sedated. 00:10:08.634 --> 00:10:10.484 So he had to take me to the appointment. 00:10:10.894 --> 00:10:15.024 And when he tried to wake me up, I was unresponsive and unconscious. 00:10:15.564 --> 00:10:18.864 And so he called the ambulance and they came and picked me up. 00:10:19.354 --> 00:10:23.514 And when I got to the emergency room, they told my husband and my family 00:10:23.514 --> 00:10:28.764 that If I hadn't gotten better within a couple of a hour, I think they 00:10:28.764 --> 00:10:30.834 said then I was gonna die that day. 00:10:32.034 --> 00:10:38.704 And so my mom, who now was strong in the faith, , she knew what to do. 00:10:38.734 --> 00:10:41.944 She knew to call her pastor, which was, lemme take it. 00:10:41.949 --> 00:10:47.294 And so her pastor, when I was, younger, I did go to church, some with my mom when I 00:10:47.414 --> 00:10:49.304 lived with my mom when I was a teenager. 00:10:50.384 --> 00:10:54.194 And, The church that she was going to when I got older, I was like, 00:10:54.194 --> 00:10:55.714 Oh, they stay in church too long. 00:10:55.774 --> 00:10:57.974 I'm never going to that church when I get old. 00:10:59.244 --> 00:11:02.764 And so she called that pastor, which is my pastor now. 00:11:03.214 --> 00:11:07.844 And he was on his way out of town and he turned around to come back. 00:11:08.069 --> 00:11:08.899 To the hospital. 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:12.709 And when he came to the hospital, he said, let me go and pray and 00:11:12.709 --> 00:11:13.839 see what the Lord is saying. 00:11:14.339 --> 00:11:18.339 And so he told her that the Lord said that this sickness is not unto death. 00:11:19.179 --> 00:11:22.889 And so at that moment, my mom being this believing woman of 00:11:22.889 --> 00:11:25.349 God, she started believing it. 00:11:25.734 --> 00:11:29.664 And then, so by that time, my sisters, my sister was strong in the faith. 00:11:29.934 --> 00:11:33.874 Both of my sisters, I was playing church, they knew the Lord at that 00:11:33.874 --> 00:11:36.334 time and so they knew what to do. 00:11:36.364 --> 00:11:39.504 So now the word, the Lord has spoken, the Lord has said this 00:11:39.504 --> 00:11:40.914 sickness is not unto death. 00:11:41.324 --> 00:11:44.714 And so what they did was they started praying, they started 00:11:44.714 --> 00:11:46.354 reading the Bible with me. 00:11:46.374 --> 00:11:47.454 They were on shifts. 00:11:47.514 --> 00:11:48.504 Nobody left me. 00:11:48.924 --> 00:11:51.264 They didn't let negative people come in. 00:11:51.504 --> 00:11:54.404 They didn't let, anybody come in that has anything negative 00:11:54.404 --> 00:11:55.724 to say, they didn't allow it. 00:11:56.034 --> 00:11:57.714 They were speaking faith over me. 00:11:57.714 --> 00:11:59.294 And so until this day. 00:12:00.224 --> 00:12:07.154 I can, I believe that whenever you are in trouble that you need some people 00:12:07.154 --> 00:12:13.304 in your life that are not playing church, that are genuine and authentic 00:12:13.344 --> 00:12:16.534 and that they really know the Lord and they can get a prayer through. 00:12:17.004 --> 00:12:17.329 Jesse: yeah. 00:12:18.469 --> 00:12:22.419 Kina: and so I believe that and I tell people that we have to have some people 00:12:22.429 --> 00:12:26.619 in our lives that has a connection with the Lord that has a relationship 00:12:26.629 --> 00:12:28.529 that when you're in trouble that. 00:12:28.764 --> 00:12:33.254 They can ring up heaven on your behalf and they can get a 00:12:33.254 --> 00:12:35.134 word or get a prayer through. 00:12:35.544 --> 00:12:38.154 And so that's very important to me. 00:12:38.834 --> 00:12:41.314 And while in the hospital, I was in there for 10 days. 00:12:41.904 --> 00:12:46.254 And so they ran all kinds of tests trying to figure out what was going on with me. 00:12:46.904 --> 00:12:48.024 And they found nothing. 00:12:49.784 --> 00:12:51.404 They found nothing. 00:12:51.434 --> 00:12:52.714 And so my blood was low. 00:12:53.509 --> 00:12:59.089 But the funny thing is the, the emergency room doctor told me that my blood was 00:12:59.099 --> 00:13:04.449 so low that had I got up that morning and went for that procedure, it would 00:13:04.449 --> 00:13:09.119 have killed me instantly because They was going to heavily sedate me. 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:11.449 And so she said it would have killed me instantly. 00:13:11.619 --> 00:13:15.239 And so the Lord did not allow me to make that appointment. 00:13:15.889 --> 00:13:17.149 had another appointment 00:13:18.259 --> 00:13:19.279 Jesse: Wow. 00:13:19.389 --> 00:13:20.209 Kina: in the ER. 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:26.769 And so when they said that, I wasn't going to make it, my family was 00:13:26.779 --> 00:13:28.819 praying, Oh no, she is going to make it. 00:13:29.109 --> 00:13:33.849 And so they prayed and helped pull me through and I never got sick again. 00:13:34.099 --> 00:13:36.469 And so they never found anything wrong. 00:13:36.769 --> 00:13:40.069 And so that's my testimony on how the Lord brought me in. 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:44.739 And so when I was in the hospital, I told the Lord, and I didn't know what I was 00:13:44.739 --> 00:13:47.189 saying because I wasn't deep in the faith. 00:13:47.259 --> 00:13:51.599 I didn't know anything about faith, but I told him, I said, if you bring 00:13:51.609 --> 00:13:53.019 me out of this, I'll serve you. 00:13:53.269 --> 00:13:56.639 I can remember telling him that crying and telling him, if you 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.209 bring me out, I'll serve you. 00:13:59.109 --> 00:14:00.859 And so from then on. 00:14:01.459 --> 00:14:02.569 I've been serving the Lord. 00:14:03.709 --> 00:14:08.239 And so I will say that was in 2000 in June, 2009. 00:14:09.309 --> 00:14:13.719 And I can say that my life didn't change right away because once we 00:14:13.719 --> 00:14:18.289 come to and give the Lord our life completely before I was playing church. 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.939 And so once we come and we truly give the Lord our life, it's a process. 00:14:23.439 --> 00:14:25.199 Things take place in our lives. 00:14:25.239 --> 00:14:27.059 Our lives change is a process. 00:14:27.429 --> 00:14:29.999 And so I can remember the first time that. 00:14:30.644 --> 00:14:36.364 A deliverance took him took place in my life past the healing because the Lord 00:14:36.384 --> 00:14:37.904 healed me and I'm so thankful for that. 00:14:38.334 --> 00:14:41.884 And so I can remember I started going to church every Sunday. 00:14:41.954 --> 00:14:44.894 I was getting up going to church every Sunday after he helped me. 00:14:45.524 --> 00:14:46.844 And but nothing changed. 00:14:46.914 --> 00:14:50.534 I was still, I can remember just I had a real foul mouth. 00:14:50.744 --> 00:14:52.064 I cursed a lot. 00:14:53.024 --> 00:14:56.194 And so every other word was like a cuss word. 00:14:56.894 --> 00:15:00.544 And so I can remember getting up one Sunday morning, get ready to go to church. 00:15:01.464 --> 00:15:05.494 And my husband made me mad and I can remember just flicking all 00:15:05.494 --> 00:15:10.874 kind of F bombs be transparent to him, about three, I can remember. 00:15:11.284 --> 00:15:14.874 And I can remember going out to the house, getting ready to go to church. 00:15:15.254 --> 00:15:18.584 And oh my gosh, I felt so bad. 00:15:18.624 --> 00:15:20.184 I never felt bad before. 00:15:20.544 --> 00:15:21.624 I felt so bad. 00:15:21.884 --> 00:15:26.284 And then when I got to church, My pastor was teaching on the tongue 00:15:26.949 --> 00:15:27.089 Jesse: Wow. 00:15:27.224 --> 00:15:32.264 Kina: how deadly and how deadly the tongue is. 00:15:32.304 --> 00:15:34.134 And I can't remember the message. 00:15:34.364 --> 00:15:38.624 I just remember he was talking to me the whole message and I can 00:15:38.634 --> 00:15:40.494 remember he did the altar call. 00:15:41.249 --> 00:15:44.819 And he said, anyone who wants the Lord to deliver them from 00:15:44.819 --> 00:15:46.959 their tongue, come to the altar. 00:15:47.589 --> 00:15:50.109 And at that point I had a decision to make. 00:15:50.139 --> 00:15:52.679 My, my body was like burning like fire. 00:15:52.689 --> 00:15:55.899 I felt like fire because I knew he was talking to me and I knew I 00:15:55.899 --> 00:15:57.449 was supposed to go to the altar. 00:15:57.619 --> 00:16:01.329 sometimes shame will kick in and you won't go because you don't 00:16:01.329 --> 00:16:02.629 want people looking at you. 00:16:02.989 --> 00:16:06.669 But at that moment I wanted to, I didn't want to curse anymore. 00:16:07.444 --> 00:16:12.534 so I went to the altar and when I went to the altar, he prayed for me and I, and 00:16:12.534 --> 00:16:17.674 this was in 2009 and I never cursed again. 00:16:19.074 --> 00:16:22.194 So that day I was delivered from my mouth. 00:16:23.794 --> 00:16:29.374 And so when I think about that and I think about when, when we say, I 00:16:29.374 --> 00:16:34.274 want to change before I come to the Lord, we can't change ourselves. 00:16:34.864 --> 00:16:35.924 He do the changing. 00:16:36.699 --> 00:16:41.399 And and it's a process, and so he delivered me that day, and that was 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:46.579 the first of deliverances that he did for me, besides the healing. 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:52.494 Jesse: as you were saying that, I was thinking that verse from Proverbs, death 00:16:52.494 --> 00:16:54.414 and life are in the power of the tongue. 00:16:55.314 --> 00:16:59.614 I was thinking about how ignorant we are before he enlightens 00:16:59.624 --> 00:17:01.924 us that we are to actually. 00:17:02.444 --> 00:17:07.434 killing ourselves, killing relationships, and just, speaking death with our 00:17:07.504 --> 00:17:12.970 tongues, and we just can't speak life until he brings us to life. 00:17:13.565 --> 00:17:14.185 Kina: amen. 00:17:14.465 --> 00:17:15.385 That is so true. 00:17:18.098 --> 00:17:22.228 And so it's amazing when I think about how he delivered me from 00:17:22.228 --> 00:17:24.448 that because I was bad years. 00:17:24.898 --> 00:17:29.298 So just years from the time that I can remember growing up, I've 00:17:29.358 --> 00:17:31.958 always, use my tongue in that way. 00:17:32.288 --> 00:17:37.138 And so to get deliverance right then he is the only one that can 00:17:37.138 --> 00:17:38.968 do something like that for us. 00:17:39.183 --> 00:17:42.753 And so he delivered me that day from my tongue. 00:17:42.943 --> 00:17:48.253 And so I just, after that, I could just remember just going to church. 00:17:48.473 --> 00:17:52.513 I remember trying to, go back to work, but, I was like, no, I don't 00:17:52.513 --> 00:17:55.263 think I should go back cause I got sick at, when I was there. 00:17:55.293 --> 00:17:59.623 And so that my pastor, now he was like, no, I think you should go back to work. 00:17:59.923 --> 00:18:01.663 And I was like, no, I'm not going to go back. 00:18:01.693 --> 00:18:02.843 And so I quit my job. 00:18:04.518 --> 00:18:07.798 For two years, I didn't work when I wanted to. 00:18:07.798 --> 00:18:12.818 So it was a point where I wanted to go back to work, but I didn't work. 00:18:12.838 --> 00:18:17.958 And so in those two years, I just was, reading my word and, serving him wherever 00:18:17.958 --> 00:18:19.748 I could, whatever I could put my hands to. 00:18:20.058 --> 00:18:21.808 I just remember just serving him. 00:18:22.178 --> 00:18:26.718 And, but I also think it was a humbling experience that sometimes 00:18:26.738 --> 00:18:31.938 we got to be obedient and Not doing things that we want to do, but be 00:18:31.938 --> 00:18:33.888 led by the spirit to do some things. 00:18:33.948 --> 00:18:38.878 And so it humbled me to know some things you don't, you just don't 00:18:38.878 --> 00:18:40.188 do because you don't want to do. 00:18:40.978 --> 00:18:44.318 And after that two years not working, then I started to work at the 00:18:44.328 --> 00:18:46.778 post office, which I'm there now. 00:18:46.878 --> 00:18:51.578 I've been to the post office since 2011 and I was praying and 00:18:51.578 --> 00:18:55.148 I was talking to the Lord and I was asking him, what can I share? 00:18:56.118 --> 00:19:02.448 That is, significant and he wanted me to share my testimony about my son. 00:19:04.018 --> 00:19:11.898 And so what happened was in, 2010, he, he was a juvenile, he was 16 years old. 00:19:12.978 --> 00:19:16.998 And so this is the hardest thing that has ever happened to me in my life. 00:19:17.698 --> 00:19:19.468 And the hardest thing that I had to go through. 00:19:19.663 --> 00:19:20.173 in my life. 00:19:20.963 --> 00:19:26.333 And so he was 16 years old and he got arrested and he 00:19:26.333 --> 00:19:29.003 was facing 11 felony charges. 00:19:30.363 --> 00:19:35.822 And so I was so sad because I did not want, I didn't know what to do. 00:19:36.182 --> 00:19:41.252 And I was, I'm still knowing the faith and just, not knowing what to do. 00:19:41.792 --> 00:19:47.812 And praying and, I can remember my pastor praying, not talking to him about it. 00:19:47.832 --> 00:19:49.602 And he, he said, I'll pray with you. 00:19:49.682 --> 00:19:53.562 And he prayed with me and he said, the Lord said that he's going to be okay. 00:19:54.302 --> 00:19:55.582 And so I was like, okay. 00:19:55.892 --> 00:20:01.992 And then his attorney started calling me and telling me, once you get a word in. 00:20:03.562 --> 00:20:05.862 It just seemed like that word is not coming to pass. 00:20:05.902 --> 00:20:09.062 The other things are happening that tried to discourage you 00:20:09.062 --> 00:20:10.292 from the word that you got. 00:20:10.932 --> 00:20:14.772 And so his attorney would call me every time, Oh, they found something else. 00:20:14.772 --> 00:20:15.612 They found something else. 00:20:16.042 --> 00:20:19.172 And one day I could just find myself just boohoo crying. 00:20:20.562 --> 00:20:23.032 Lord, I thought he was going to be okay. 00:20:23.072 --> 00:20:23.582 And. 00:20:24.272 --> 00:20:27.782 I can remember my pastor, I called him, I told him, they said this 00:20:27.782 --> 00:20:28.982 crying, pouring out my heart. 00:20:29.312 --> 00:20:33.682 And he said, Keena, if your son goes to jail to do some time, 00:20:33.682 --> 00:20:34.882 it's going to be because of you. 00:20:35.912 --> 00:20:38.672 And my unbelief, I was like, huh? 00:20:40.182 --> 00:20:43.612 And so I snapped out of crying. 00:20:45.262 --> 00:20:48.222 And at that moment, I started to. 00:20:49.247 --> 00:20:53.827 Believe I started to walk by faith because they still was coming and 00:20:53.827 --> 00:20:57.387 telling me all of these things, but I wouldn't let it affect me. 00:20:57.837 --> 00:21:03.647 And so he was facing 11 years in prison, 11 counts, 11 years. 00:21:04.097 --> 00:21:07.127 And so everyone was telling me, Oh, you need to get an attorney. 00:21:07.127 --> 00:21:08.517 You need to get a pay for attorney. 00:21:08.807 --> 00:21:10.827 And I was like, no, the Lord's going to take care of it. 00:21:10.837 --> 00:21:12.087 The Lord's going to take care of it. 00:21:12.327 --> 00:21:14.427 And I know everybody's situation is different. 00:21:14.817 --> 00:21:17.457 And, The Lord will have everybody do different things. 00:21:18.127 --> 00:21:21.367 And so I didn't believe I was supposed to get an attorney. 00:21:21.937 --> 00:21:26.197 So we went with the public defender and so go on with the public defender. 00:21:26.197 --> 00:21:27.697 It's no, you should get an attorney. 00:21:27.697 --> 00:21:28.757 You're going to make him do time. 00:21:28.767 --> 00:21:29.597 He's going to do time. 00:21:29.597 --> 00:21:34.187 And so what ended up happening was he ended up not. 00:21:35.242 --> 00:21:38.282 During the 11 years, I prayed. 00:21:38.282 --> 00:21:42.322 I was asking the Lord, I said, Lord, how long is he going to go away for? 00:21:42.872 --> 00:21:46.892 And he told me two years and I stood on that two years. 00:21:47.412 --> 00:21:51.712 And so at the end, what ended up happening when he got sentenced, he only was charged 00:21:51.712 --> 00:21:55.652 with two charges, not the 11 and he. 00:21:55.867 --> 00:21:59.877 Was charged with four years, but he only ended up doing two and there 00:21:59.877 --> 00:22:02.227 was not a, it was not a complete two. 00:22:02.447 --> 00:22:06.657 It was, I would say two still, because he was, in the juvenile jail. 00:22:07.087 --> 00:22:11.347 And then, They sent him to a jail in Gainesville, which 00:22:11.347 --> 00:22:14.737 only house, kids 19 to 24. 00:22:15.037 --> 00:22:17.167 So he didn't go to a hardcore jail. 00:22:17.915 --> 00:22:23.135 And so he went there for a year, a little over a year, but the last six 00:22:23.135 --> 00:22:24.925 months he ended up in work release. 00:22:25.405 --> 00:22:29.605 So he wasn't even, it was two years, but he wasn't even Lord worked it 00:22:29.605 --> 00:22:33.815 out where I was able to go 45 minutes every Saturday to go and see him. 00:22:34.135 --> 00:22:36.615 He allowed, when I thought he was doing, he. 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:39.690 It was for me, but he needed it as well. 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:41.950 So when I was praying, Lord, let him out. 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:47.150 He needed it because it was some things going on that he needed to get rid of. 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:51.430 so while the Lord had him there, I couldn't see it. 00:22:51.705 --> 00:22:53.955 At first when I was praying, Lord, let him go. 00:22:54.165 --> 00:22:57.165 But the Lord knew, and so the Lord was working on him. 00:22:57.435 --> 00:23:01.565 And so he got out in 2000 and, 14. 00:23:01.865 --> 00:23:03.095 It's never been back since. 00:23:03.095 --> 00:23:05.495 So this year is 10 years. 00:23:05.585 --> 00:23:09.945 And so that was another thing that the Lord, helped me and brought me 00:23:09.945 --> 00:23:13.665 through and strengthened me because some things that we go through, we 00:23:13.665 --> 00:23:17.985 don't automatically get out of it, but he strengthens us through the process. 00:23:18.255 --> 00:23:18.845 And so 00:23:19.385 --> 00:23:23.465 Jesse: I ask you, did you have any particular verses that you were 00:23:23.465 --> 00:23:25.245 hanging on to during this time? 00:23:27.125 --> 00:23:29.775 Kina: during that time, I can't remember that. 00:23:30.855 --> 00:23:36.395 I do, but I will share a verse that, I've been hanging on to for 00:23:36.405 --> 00:23:38.605 years that, I forgot to share. 00:23:39.135 --> 00:23:42.315 So when I did, when I first got saved and I did lose when I depart, 00:23:42.315 --> 00:23:47.455 when I did lose my job for, when I quit my job for the two years, I can 00:23:47.455 --> 00:23:50.055 remember that I didn't have any money. 00:23:50.465 --> 00:23:53.225 I can remember about unemployment, running out. 00:23:53.815 --> 00:23:55.075 I have any money. 00:23:55.345 --> 00:23:57.985 And I can remember going to, the grocery store. 00:23:59.010 --> 00:24:01.500 I had 5 besides the groceries I had to get. 00:24:01.940 --> 00:24:08.140 I had 5 and this homeless man, he was outside the store and he was asking 00:24:08.140 --> 00:24:10.140 me for money to get something to eat. 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:14.440 And I was thinking, I ain't got the 5 and I was like, no, I don't 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:15.950 think I'm going to give him my 5. 00:24:16.510 --> 00:24:20.040 And so I just knew I had to give him the 5. 00:24:20.410 --> 00:24:24.610 And so I gave him the 5 and When he was talking to me, it was like I couldn't 00:24:24.660 --> 00:24:26.280 understand what he was saying at first. 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.250 I could understand the 5 for food, but I understood what he 00:24:30.250 --> 00:24:32.070 said to me clearly after that. 00:24:32.350 --> 00:24:35.420 He said, Galatians 6 and 9. 00:24:35.420 --> 00:24:38.375 And I couldn't wait to get home, to get into Galatians 6 00:24:38.375 --> 00:24:41.650 and 9, and see what did it say. 00:24:42.140 --> 00:24:44.410 And it says, and let us not be weary. 00:24:44.810 --> 00:24:49.860 And well doing, but in due season, we shall reap if we faint not. 00:24:50.350 --> 00:24:57.560 And so that has been sticking with me for years, because when I think about 00:24:57.560 --> 00:25:02.850 that scripture, I think about how, when it says, and let us not be weary, is 00:25:02.850 --> 00:25:07.740 that along the journey, some things happen in our lives that we do get weary. 00:25:08.560 --> 00:25:11.520 And he said, don't allow ourselves to get weary. 00:25:11.850 --> 00:25:13.330 Don't get discouraged. 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:14.470 in due season. 00:25:15.010 --> 00:25:16.810 We will reap if we fake not. 00:25:16.840 --> 00:25:21.400 As long as we don't give up, there is a season that we will reap. 00:25:21.820 --> 00:25:26.230 And when I was thinking about the reaping, it used to be where, when I 00:25:26.230 --> 00:25:29.530 can hear, the Lord's about to bless you, the Lord's about to bless you, you 00:25:29.530 --> 00:25:31.920 always think like monetary things, right? 00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:34.870 And so the spiritual things are better. 00:25:37.170 --> 00:25:42.625 And so the in due season that you reap, I think about my life and I think about 00:25:42.635 --> 00:25:46.985 all of the struggles and the battles and the trials and the tribulations. 00:25:47.365 --> 00:25:50.335 I think about what he was doing on the inside of me. 00:25:51.455 --> 00:25:55.255 And I think about how, how he has brought me through so many things 00:25:55.385 --> 00:25:59.225 and he strengthened me in the midst of it, he still allowed me 00:25:59.265 --> 00:26:01.345 to have joy in the midst of them. 00:26:01.435 --> 00:26:06.065 Still allow me to have hope and walk in faith, in the midst 00:26:06.065 --> 00:26:07.375 of it, when it seems like. 00:26:08.030 --> 00:26:10.140 Everything was gonna, fall apart. 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:15.990 I'm still walking in hope and joy and peace and love and all of these things. 00:26:15.990 --> 00:26:20.140 And so when I think about reaping, I think about reaping these spiritual 00:26:20.140 --> 00:26:23.920 things, these spirit, cause that's what it's all about is the spiritual, 00:26:23.950 --> 00:26:25.310 not so much as the natural. 00:26:25.550 --> 00:26:26.450 Has he blessed me? 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:26.760 Yes. 00:26:26.790 --> 00:26:31.740 he ended up blessing me with a good job, a nice home, all of these things, 00:26:32.020 --> 00:26:33.880 but those are not the best things. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:36.270 The best things that he has blessed me with. 00:26:36.270 --> 00:26:36.950 It's just precious. 00:26:37.185 --> 00:26:39.225 Spirit, his precious strength, 00:26:39.690 --> 00:26:44.220 all of these things are things that he is so richly blessed me with. 00:26:44.990 --> 00:26:49.000 And so when I think about that, I just think about how good that God is. 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:54.300 So that scripture is one that has stuck with me for years. 00:26:56.435 --> 00:27:00.765 Jesse: Wow, yeah, that's funny because I was just studying that yesterday, 00:27:00.765 --> 00:27:01.455 Kina: Really? 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:05.655 Jesse: when you're going through, A trial that lasts a long time. 00:27:05.675 --> 00:27:11.735 You really need to remember every single day, think not, keep believing. 00:27:12.685 --> 00:27:14.635 That's why they call us believers, right? 00:27:15.035 --> 00:27:16.425 Kina: Yeah, it is. 00:27:16.565 --> 00:27:17.535 It is so true. 00:27:17.735 --> 00:27:18.305 It is. 00:27:18.815 --> 00:27:20.385 We have to, to keep believing. 00:27:20.455 --> 00:27:25.705 And so I was, I was praying and I was asked, I was like, what's 00:27:25.925 --> 00:27:29.355 the most challenging thing that I have ever been through? 00:27:29.705 --> 00:27:34.775 Now, the hardest thing I believe was my son, I asked the Holy Spirit because he 00:27:34.775 --> 00:27:36.505 knows us better than we know ourselves. 00:27:37.615 --> 00:27:40.545 And so I was like, what is the most challenging thing that I have 00:27:40.545 --> 00:27:42.635 went through, over these years? 00:27:43.135 --> 00:27:44.345 And he said, resting. 00:27:45.215 --> 00:27:46.345 So resting. 00:27:46.630 --> 00:27:48.990 Has been one of the most challenging things. 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:54.960 I can remember a time years ago, maybe about seven years ago, he told me to 00:27:54.970 --> 00:27:59.040 be still in a situation and be still. 00:27:59.260 --> 00:28:03.870 It's not like it's not don't do nothing right when we think about be still. 00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:07.745 It just means let him do what we cannot do. 00:28:08.085 --> 00:28:11.615 when I think about this deal, I think about let him do what we cannot do. 00:28:11.975 --> 00:28:16.475 And I think about, allowing him to work instead of us trying to work ourselves, 00:28:16.865 --> 00:28:23.285 but allowing him to work and to not move in the situation until he tells us to. 00:28:24.300 --> 00:28:28.040 And I was just thinking about that resting, when he said resting was one 00:28:28.040 --> 00:28:31.380 of the hardest things, and I think when we're not resting, we're not trusting. 00:28:32.610 --> 00:28:36.580 And a lot of things that we go through is we're not resting 00:28:36.610 --> 00:28:38.680 because we're not totally trusting. 00:28:39.310 --> 00:28:44.030 And So that's one of the most challenging things that he said that I wrestled 00:28:44.040 --> 00:28:45.790 with over the years is not resting. 00:28:47.315 --> 00:28:50.595 Jesse: I'm glad you said that because I've never really thought of it that way. 00:28:51.165 --> 00:28:55.815 You could substitute rest for trust, Rest in the Lord with all your heart. 00:28:56.790 --> 00:28:57.640 Kina: it's true. 00:28:57.865 --> 00:28:58.835 Jesse: Yeah, that's good. 00:28:59.280 --> 00:28:59.780 Kina: Yeah. 00:29:00.015 --> 00:29:00.545 Jesse: Thank you. 00:29:01.510 --> 00:29:02.670 Kina: and Three things. 00:29:03.110 --> 00:29:05.380 I'm the kind of like the, whenever, I want to know 00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:06.760 something, I always ask the spirit. 00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:07.890 Jesse: Yeah. 00:29:08.050 --> 00:29:10.580 Kina: sometimes he may not answer, sometimes he do. 00:29:10.580 --> 00:29:14.910 some of the things that, that I'm sharing, he's answered over time, over, 00:29:17.075 --> 00:29:21.365 So I asked him, because I've heard people say, ask the Lord, some 00:29:21.365 --> 00:29:23.705 things like, to be transparent. 00:29:24.315 --> 00:29:28.405 One of the things that's hard for me is, speaking, right? 00:29:29.255 --> 00:29:32.185 It's very hard for me to get in front of people and speak. 00:29:32.555 --> 00:29:35.145 And I, it's this fear that comes. 00:29:35.645 --> 00:29:38.985 And so I heard someone say, ask the Lord, how do he see you? 00:29:39.585 --> 00:29:42.225 And I asked him, I said, Lord, how do you see me? 00:29:42.685 --> 00:29:43.885 And he said, strong. 00:29:44.555 --> 00:29:47.657 And I said, Oh, cause I don't see myself that way. 00:29:48.287 --> 00:29:49.447 I didn't at the time. 00:29:50.027 --> 00:29:54.217 And but I realized that to be strong means you're gonna have to go through 00:29:54.217 --> 00:29:55.807 some things that's gonna make you strong. 00:29:56.032 --> 00:30:00.432 And so we don't automatically have that strength, not that supernatural 00:30:00.432 --> 00:30:04.242 strength like that, unless we go through some things that make us strong. 00:30:04.842 --> 00:30:07.132 And so I asked, that was the first, I asked him three things. 00:30:07.132 --> 00:30:07.942 That was the first thing. 00:30:08.292 --> 00:30:12.632 The second thing I asked him was, what do he see in me that I don't see in myself? 00:30:13.122 --> 00:30:14.132 And he said, triumph. 00:30:15.062 --> 00:30:15.892 I said, huh. 00:30:17.562 --> 00:30:18.202 Okay. 00:30:19.402 --> 00:30:23.462 And so my prayer to him was, Lord, open my eyes to see what 00:30:23.572 --> 00:30:25.562 Let me see myself as you see me. 00:30:26.122 --> 00:30:30.322 And then the third and the last thing I asked him was, Lord, what have you 00:30:30.322 --> 00:30:33.542 placed in me to give to the world? 00:30:34.642 --> 00:30:35.632 And he said, love. 00:30:36.382 --> 00:30:37.212 I said, Oh. 00:30:38.312 --> 00:30:44.242 And so I realized all of these things that he has placed in me and 00:30:44.242 --> 00:30:47.646 you and us It produces love in us. 00:30:48.396 --> 00:30:52.836 So all of these things that we go through, it produces fruit in us. 00:30:53.276 --> 00:30:58.356 And we don't realize it at the time when we go through a lot of trials and 00:30:58.356 --> 00:31:00.356 tribulations we don't go, we go through. 00:31:00.891 --> 00:31:06.851 If we don't give up, if we stay focused, if we keep, serving, if we keep, our daily 00:31:06.851 --> 00:31:12.581 walk, if we don't give up, it's producing something in us if we allow it to. 00:31:12.991 --> 00:31:13.651 And so 00:31:15.731 --> 00:31:20.701 when I think about love and the Lord is the only one who can take 00:31:20.701 --> 00:31:23.711 a trial and place love in you. 00:31:25.326 --> 00:31:30.886 So I can tell you honestly that in my life now I have nothing in my heart against 00:31:31.046 --> 00:31:38.236 anyone and Nothing but love and I know that only comes from the Lord because 00:31:38.236 --> 00:31:40.196 that's, that has not always been there. 00:31:40.946 --> 00:31:45.546 And so all of the things that I have went through in my life, I realized 00:31:45.596 --> 00:31:49.826 that it has strengthened me, but also it had placed these things 00:31:49.916 --> 00:31:51.926 in me that was never there before. 00:31:52.196 --> 00:31:54.056 And when they showed up, I don't know. 00:31:55.586 --> 00:31:58.206 I just know that they're there like forgiveness. 00:31:59.336 --> 00:32:02.946 had some people that have really done me wrong, spoke 00:32:02.956 --> 00:32:05.056 bad about me, treated me wrong. 00:32:05.336 --> 00:32:07.726 And my response to that is to pray for them. 00:32:09.256 --> 00:32:10.696 have never done that before. 00:32:11.185 --> 00:32:18.105 so in our trials and in our tribulation, it produces fruit in our lives and the 00:32:18.105 --> 00:32:20.605 Lord is the only one that can do that. 00:32:20.865 --> 00:32:26.035 And so we can forgive and love and pray for people that we've 00:32:26.085 --> 00:32:28.155 never been able to do it before. 00:32:28.515 --> 00:32:32.885 So we don't realize that some things that we go through is producing a greaterness 00:32:32.945 --> 00:32:35.095 in us than we could ever realize. 00:32:35.577 --> 00:32:35.997 Jesse: Yes. 00:32:35.997 --> 00:32:39.047 you talk about love and forgiveness and the same breath. 00:32:39.047 --> 00:32:44.057 And that's awesome because I really think that's, the gift that he gives us just to. 00:32:44.572 --> 00:32:50.152 To see that we really don't have any right to not forgive other people based 00:32:50.152 --> 00:32:52.222 on what he's already forgiven us for. 00:32:52.882 --> 00:32:53.512 Kina: Amen. 00:32:53.532 --> 00:33:00.840 And I had a situation where I had to forgive someone and it wasn't a struggle. 00:33:01.008 --> 00:33:03.218 it's amazing because it was not a struggle. 00:33:03.648 --> 00:33:10.238 And the thing about it is that what I told someone because they couldn't 00:33:10.248 --> 00:33:12.148 believe, this type of forgiveness. 00:33:12.748 --> 00:33:17.328 And so what I told him was that the Lord has been so merciful to me. 00:33:17.958 --> 00:33:22.538 He's been so good to me and he has forgiven me for all of the things, 00:33:22.708 --> 00:33:24.328 my sins that I've done before. 00:33:24.608 --> 00:33:27.918 And even if I do anything now, if I confess my faults, he is 00:33:27.918 --> 00:33:29.438 faithful and just to forgive us. 00:33:29.838 --> 00:33:33.098 And so how can I not as good as he's been to me? 00:33:33.158 --> 00:33:35.088 And when I look back over my life and see. 00:33:35.337 --> 00:33:40.247 see who I used to be and who I am now, how can I not forgive someone 00:33:40.597 --> 00:33:42.097 because God has forgiven me. 00:33:42.117 --> 00:33:46.257 So how can I be merciless to someone and he has not been merciless to me. 00:33:46.547 --> 00:33:50.107 And so that forgiveness is powerful. 00:33:50.457 --> 00:33:56.287 And when I was thinking about Jesus before he, he left the earth and, two 00:33:56.317 --> 00:34:01.077 things that when he watched the disciples speak that I saw that he instituted. 00:34:01.862 --> 00:34:04.932 was, serving and love. 00:34:05.522 --> 00:34:07.182 And so those two go together, 00:34:07.189 --> 00:34:11.319 When I think about when I was in the hospital and I said, Lord, I'll serve you. 00:34:11.409 --> 00:34:12.479 I didn't know what that meant. 00:34:12.869 --> 00:34:18.939 And so I do, whatever I find my hands to do, I do it, cause we're serving him. 00:34:18.969 --> 00:34:19.489 We're serving. 00:34:20.099 --> 00:34:20.849 His people. 00:34:21.619 --> 00:34:23.259 And so we're serving people. 00:34:23.349 --> 00:34:26.969 We're serving the Lord because he doesn't really need us to serve him. 00:34:27.169 --> 00:34:31.069 He doesn't need any service from us, but who needs the services is people. 00:34:31.549 --> 00:34:35.169 And so whether we clean the church, we're cleaning it, we're serving 00:34:35.169 --> 00:34:38.429 him because we're the people that's coming to sit down, they come sit 00:34:38.429 --> 00:34:42.339 in some nice, comfortable, clean place, or rather we're ministry. 00:34:42.379 --> 00:34:43.309 It doesn't matter. 00:34:43.309 --> 00:34:46.339 if we're, when we're serving him, we're serving people. 00:34:46.764 --> 00:34:53.034 And so when he before he left the earth, he instituted, humble serving and love. 00:34:53.684 --> 00:34:56.534 And so those two to me go together. 00:34:56.764 --> 00:35:01.724 And I think when we're serving him and we're serving people, it produces 00:35:01.724 --> 00:35:07.589 this love in us that We don't know where it comes from, or we know where 00:35:07.589 --> 00:35:11.749 it comes from, but it just comes and it's like, where, when did it come. 00:35:12.329 --> 00:35:14.639 And so I think those things. 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:20.649 So I think that, over the years, when I can look back over my life, I can 00:35:21.109 --> 00:35:23.249 say that God has truly been good. 00:35:23.839 --> 00:35:26.629 And I can say he has brought me from a long way and he has 00:35:26.629 --> 00:35:28.729 changed me in so many ways. 00:35:29.259 --> 00:35:34.419 And when, I share my faith with other people and they share what they believe, 00:35:34.479 --> 00:35:39.449 if we're not believing the same thing, my thing, I would never, say anything about 00:35:39.459 --> 00:35:44.819 anybody else's religion, but what I will say to them is I believe what I believe. 00:35:45.189 --> 00:35:45.639 And. 00:35:46.089 --> 00:35:49.009 What I would tell them is just give Jesus a try. 00:35:49.969 --> 00:35:55.019 So anybody, my response would be is to just give him a try and see. 00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:55.909 taste and see. 00:35:55.929 --> 00:35:57.479 David said, taste and see. 00:35:59.249 --> 00:36:02.369 We taste and see for ourselves just how good he is. 00:36:03.424 --> 00:36:08.094 Jesse: speaking of serving, do you have any ministries that you've been 00:36:08.094 --> 00:36:09.934 involved in that you want to talk about? 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.420 And what learned through them? 00:36:12.223 --> 00:36:18.363 Kina: so over the right now I'm, serving, I serve at, hospice and 00:36:18.403 --> 00:36:19.963 the law have me serving there. 00:36:20.373 --> 00:36:25.353 And so I go in, weekly and I sit with a few people, just depends on, 00:36:25.353 --> 00:36:28.793 I've had five people at one time, sometimes one, sometimes three. 00:36:28.793 --> 00:36:35.253 And so I, I just, I go and I sit with them and some I read, some 00:36:35.283 --> 00:36:39.573 I, we listen to music and some you just, I just sit there and though, 00:36:39.573 --> 00:36:41.563 and some, a lot of them can't talk. 00:36:43.073 --> 00:36:48.483 And so because the Lord sent me there, I know that there is a reason. 00:36:48.733 --> 00:36:52.433 And so if they can't talk, then, what I do at. 00:36:52.708 --> 00:36:56.838 and serving there is certain things that you can't do, you can't really, 00:36:56.848 --> 00:37:00.228 unless they say something about the Bible, you just can't, just 00:37:00.228 --> 00:37:01.958 start speaking your faith to them. 00:37:02.288 --> 00:37:07.248 But what I will do is I pray for them, rather than, If they allow 00:37:07.258 --> 00:37:10.718 me to outwardly, if they give me the opportunity, because if they 00:37:10.718 --> 00:37:13.328 start talking about Jesus, that kind of opens the door for me. 00:37:15.168 --> 00:37:20.478 But if they don't, then inwardly, I'm praying inwardly, for them that 00:37:20.478 --> 00:37:24.878 the Lord bless them or whatever they need and that whenever they leave. 00:37:25.248 --> 00:37:28.438 It's let them not leave this earth would not have known you are 00:37:28.438 --> 00:37:29.978 accepting you into their hearts. 00:37:30.358 --> 00:37:34.658 And so I believe that everything that we, everywhere he sends us to 00:37:34.658 --> 00:37:36.498 serve him, it's a purpose for it. 00:37:37.028 --> 00:37:39.228 And so that's the main thing that I'm serving. 00:37:39.328 --> 00:37:41.008 right now I serve in my church. 00:37:41.368 --> 00:37:43.098 I, whatever I find my hands to do. 00:37:44.148 --> 00:37:46.038 So I assure clean the church. 00:37:46.038 --> 00:37:47.598 I read for my pastor. 00:37:48.008 --> 00:37:48.288 I, 00:37:48.318 --> 00:37:51.318 Jesse: let me get, before you get too far away from this hospice 00:37:51.318 --> 00:37:52.768 thing, this is interesting. 00:37:52.768 --> 00:37:58.248 So the Lord led you to visit in hospice. 00:37:58.248 --> 00:38:03.098 So you really, you're carrying Jesus with you into this, you're carrying the 00:38:03.108 --> 00:38:11.248 presence into this space where, you don't necessarily have to use you know, biblical 00:38:11.248 --> 00:38:13.488 words, but you're carrying the with you. 00:38:14.168 --> 00:38:19.188 And, have you had any kind of experiences, with the way God 00:38:19.188 --> 00:38:21.798 shows up in certain instances? 00:38:22.518 --> 00:38:22.728 with 00:38:22.858 --> 00:38:27.408 Kina: Actually, so what ended up me volunteering at hospice is we, we were 00:38:27.408 --> 00:38:31.538 looking for, our church was looking for somewhere to volunteer for, one Christmas. 00:38:32.018 --> 00:38:34.098 It was, not last Christmas, the Christmas before. 00:38:34.798 --> 00:38:37.328 And so I just started, just hospice just came up. 00:38:37.738 --> 00:38:41.018 And so I was like, Oh, okay, I'll call and see, what can we do at hospice? 00:38:41.498 --> 00:38:44.398 And they said the only thing they had was Christmas caroling. 00:38:44.398 --> 00:38:48.778 And I was like, Oh, I don't really know how good we are at that, but we'll do it. 00:38:50.028 --> 00:38:53.338 so we went and we started to, do the Christmas carols. 00:38:54.558 --> 00:38:58.158 And, of course the ones we did, they was pertaining to Jesus. 00:38:59.008 --> 00:39:04.678 And one guy came out into the hallway and when we got done, he was like, 00:39:04.688 --> 00:39:07.258 can y'all come in and pray for my mom? 00:39:07.668 --> 00:39:10.268 They said, she's not going to make it, within a couple of days 00:39:10.268 --> 00:39:11.648 or whatever it was, he said. 00:39:11.968 --> 00:39:17.498 And so we went in and we sung amazing grace over her and, We prayed for her. 00:39:18.208 --> 00:39:21.308 And so when we went in, she was like really stiff. 00:39:21.838 --> 00:39:27.108 And so I didn't see it, but, I laid my hands on her and I prayed for her. 00:39:27.678 --> 00:39:31.618 And so everyone else who was in the room, they said, they saw 00:39:31.618 --> 00:39:33.918 her make a couple of movements. 00:39:33.918 --> 00:39:39.168 Like she, she got it, she, whatever it was that she got it. 00:39:39.358 --> 00:39:42.078 And so we felt his presence in there. 00:39:43.123 --> 00:39:47.093 And so that was the first time that I've experienced, his presence 00:39:47.093 --> 00:39:53.413 show up without, a person actually up and, able to say something. 00:39:53.553 --> 00:39:59.653 That first time that we recognized that, oh, wow, his presence was really in here. 00:39:59.673 --> 00:40:03.553 Cause even her son had said that she hadn't moved and he don't know when. 00:40:04.253 --> 00:40:04.733 Jesse: Wow. 00:40:05.303 --> 00:40:05.863 Kina: Yeah. 00:40:05.913 --> 00:40:11.463 And so after that, I, I was praying about volunteering and it wasn't to hospice. 00:40:12.023 --> 00:40:14.023 I was thinking about everybody else. 00:40:14.023 --> 00:40:15.593 I was like, okay, maybe, no. 00:40:15.593 --> 00:40:19.073 So actually afterwards, I was like, Lord, maybe we can get the group together 00:40:19.073 --> 00:40:20.943 and, go to hospice and volunteer. 00:40:21.183 --> 00:40:22.693 And he said, why don't just you? 00:40:24.163 --> 00:40:24.263 How's that? 00:40:24.853 --> 00:40:25.893 Oh, okay. 00:40:27.673 --> 00:40:31.403 And that's what made me start volunteering at, at hospice. 00:40:32.908 --> 00:40:33.468 Jesse: Wow. 00:40:34.288 --> 00:40:35.888 Sounds like the lord's leading. 00:40:37.163 --> 00:40:37.613 Kina: Yeah. 00:40:37.653 --> 00:40:38.563 So that's what made me. 00:40:38.773 --> 00:40:43.003 And so from the personal experiences now that, I haven't really said I've 00:40:43.063 --> 00:40:47.873 experienced anything like I did that first time, but not to say nothing is happening 00:40:47.973 --> 00:40:51.473 because never know when the presence of the Lord shows up what he's doing. 00:40:51.833 --> 00:40:54.993 And the thing about the, like you said, the presence of the Lord is there. 00:40:55.053 --> 00:41:00.093 that when he comes into the room, whatever that person need, he can supply it. 00:41:00.783 --> 00:41:03.523 And so that's my prayer whenever, before I go. 00:41:03.523 --> 00:41:09.143 And when I go in, whatever they need, the prayer that the spirit supplies, whatever 00:41:09.143 --> 00:41:13.163 it is that, whether it be salvation, whether it still be healing, because 00:41:13.203 --> 00:41:19.158 even though somebody else say you can, go within a Day is whenever the Lord 00:41:19.158 --> 00:41:23.438 says, so whether it be healing brother, whatever it is for, you know what they 00:41:23.438 --> 00:41:25.498 need and you know how to provide it. 00:41:26.038 --> 00:41:28.848 So I just go in like that. 00:41:29.678 --> 00:41:34.258 Jesse: that's really a gift because I don't think most people, even 00:41:34.268 --> 00:41:37.118 most christians would have the 00:41:41.233 --> 00:41:46.143 I don't know what the word is, courage to, the mindset, just the mindset to 00:41:46.153 --> 00:41:51.353 be, just be present in, for people who are going through that dying process. 00:41:51.403 --> 00:41:55.363 that's really gotta be a gift of the Holy Spirit that you're able to do that. 00:41:55.363 --> 00:41:57.373 Wow. 00:41:57.608 --> 00:42:01.590 Kina: I was like, okay, Lori, when he said you go, I was like, okay. 00:42:01.590 --> 00:42:02.152 yeah. 00:42:02.967 --> 00:42:03.287 Jesse: Well, 00:42:03.432 --> 00:42:09.047 if there's any One bit of advice that you would give to anybody who's out there 00:42:09.047 --> 00:42:13.957 listening, you never know who's listening to these things and, but God knows what 00:42:13.977 --> 00:42:16.817 one piece of advice would you, pass along? 00:42:17.637 --> 00:42:18.447 Kina: Never give up. 00:42:20.207 --> 00:42:21.487 I will say never give up. 00:42:21.757 --> 00:42:24.667 I will say that in our trials. 00:42:25.392 --> 00:42:31.522 and our tribulations, rather challenging, hard, whatever it may be. 00:42:31.862 --> 00:42:36.002 I wouldn't, I would say never give up and to, just trust God. 00:42:36.352 --> 00:42:43.847 And once we've given him our lives and Our lives are in his hands, and so whatever 00:42:43.847 --> 00:42:48.737 we do go through is that he allows us to go through it, and it's a reason, 00:42:48.767 --> 00:42:52.797 and it's a purpose for it, and it's a greater reason, a greater purpose than 00:42:52.797 --> 00:42:56.447 we can ever imagine that he is doing. 00:42:57.177 --> 00:42:59.607 And so I will say, never give up. 00:42:59.667 --> 00:43:02.587 I actually have a, when I was thinking about a couple of things, 00:43:02.597 --> 00:43:08.477 if it's okay, I was thinking about a few, three, three things. 00:43:08.807 --> 00:43:13.457 The first one was when I was a child and Miss Mary took us to church. 00:43:14.787 --> 00:43:17.807 And when the Bible says, train up a child in a way that they should go. 00:43:18.127 --> 00:43:20.437 And when they are old, they will never depart from it. 00:43:21.067 --> 00:43:23.757 Now we went to church as kids. 00:43:24.042 --> 00:43:28.832 And I don't know how many years since Mary took us to church, but over the years 00:43:28.862 --> 00:43:35.642 when I got out into the world, I steered away, but I ended back up back in church. 00:43:35.932 --> 00:43:41.392 And so even my two sisters, so all of us that, Miss Mary took us to church. 00:43:41.582 --> 00:43:42.682 We're all in church. 00:43:42.722 --> 00:43:43.952 We're all serving the Lord. 00:43:43.972 --> 00:43:47.982 We all did our own thing for years, but we all ended up back in church. 00:43:48.222 --> 00:43:53.262 And so that is a scripture that has come full fruition in my life. 00:43:53.302 --> 00:43:55.602 Is that bring them up in church. 00:43:56.302 --> 00:43:59.622 They know when trouble comes, they know when they need help, they know 00:43:59.622 --> 00:44:03.892 where to go, because it's when you don't know where to go, what do you do? 00:44:04.392 --> 00:44:07.902 And but when we're trained up in church, then we know that 00:44:07.902 --> 00:44:09.402 we end back up in that place. 00:44:10.357 --> 00:44:15.027 And so the next thing is that for people that are new in the faith 00:44:15.767 --> 00:44:18.647 is that we can't change ourselves. 00:44:19.692 --> 00:44:20.932 Only the Lord can do it. 00:44:21.852 --> 00:44:23.652 All He asks us to do is just come. 00:44:24.612 --> 00:44:27.342 And when we come, He'll do everything else. 00:44:28.087 --> 00:44:32.397 And so he works in us and in miraculous ways, we'll never 00:44:32.397 --> 00:44:33.807 be able to understand it. 00:44:34.647 --> 00:44:39.557 And we'll, we know that, I know that when we do come to him is 00:44:39.557 --> 00:44:41.457 that, we won't change automatically. 00:44:42.157 --> 00:44:43.467 So when I first got. 00:44:43.902 --> 00:44:50.352 Actually, I, when I first gave my life totally to him, when I gave my life 00:44:50.352 --> 00:44:51.952 to him, I won't say totally to him. 00:44:51.952 --> 00:44:55.282 Cause that's, that was a process when I gave my life to him. 00:44:55.592 --> 00:44:58.942 When I said, I accept him as my Lord and savior, nothing changed 00:44:58.962 --> 00:45:02.722 in my life, but I continue to. 00:45:03.242 --> 00:45:03.922 Go to church. 00:45:03.972 --> 00:45:05.662 I continue to seek him. 00:45:05.702 --> 00:45:06.322 I continue. 00:45:06.322 --> 00:45:08.752 And then over time it changed. 00:45:08.972 --> 00:45:12.732 Things start breaking off on me like so nothing. 00:45:12.772 --> 00:45:18.402 If I go to the altar on Sunday, everything that I did Saturday and years before. 00:45:19.587 --> 00:45:21.287 It had not changed, right? 00:45:21.637 --> 00:45:23.167 What changes us is Him. 00:45:23.657 --> 00:45:27.537 His Word changes us, His Word cleanses us, His Word purges us, 00:45:27.537 --> 00:45:29.607 and it heals us, and it delivers us. 00:45:29.977 --> 00:45:35.097 And so we just keep going, keep doing, and He'll do everything else. 00:45:35.247 --> 00:45:38.607 And so we can't change ourselves, allow Him to change us. 00:45:39.137 --> 00:45:50.992 And then for us, The ones that do, I w the faith is to not give the faith and trust 00:45:50.992 --> 00:45:55.874 and b he says that all things w are good. 00:45:55.874 --> 00:46:02.807 So all things s like their good, but the Bible said it's working for our good. 00:46:03.247 --> 00:46:07.467 And so as long as we're in his hands, then everything that we go 00:46:07.507 --> 00:46:09.017 through is working for our good. 00:46:09.417 --> 00:46:14.007 And we probably won't see it now, but we will see it later because some 00:46:14.007 --> 00:46:18.797 things that, I went through, I didn't see it at the time, but what he has 00:46:18.797 --> 00:46:21.367 produced in me now, I can see it. 00:46:22.877 --> 00:46:23.597 I can see it. 00:46:23.597 --> 00:46:26.067 And I'm so thankful and so grateful for it. 00:46:26.882 --> 00:46:28.832 Jesse: that's, I'm glad you said all that. 00:46:28.832 --> 00:46:31.102 I was thinking about how, Miss Mary. 00:46:31.567 --> 00:46:37.677 planted some seeds and, it took a long time for those seeds to, to come up. 00:46:37.677 --> 00:46:40.057 They had to be watered and cultivated, right? 00:46:40.417 --> 00:46:41.067 Kina: Yes. 00:46:41.487 --> 00:46:45.927 Jesse: But God's word never returns void and, it may, some crops take 00:46:45.927 --> 00:46:47.777 longer to, produce than others. 00:46:48.417 --> 00:46:51.767 And, and I think about, in our lives. 00:46:53.642 --> 00:46:57.882 Our lives really are like gardens, we plant seeds, whether good or bad, 00:46:58.752 --> 00:47:01.882 whether weeds or flowers and, whatever 00:47:03.962 --> 00:47:08.402 seeds we're planting, we're going to reap, Miss Mary sowed into your 00:47:08.402 --> 00:47:10.362 life and, eventually those two. 00:47:10.647 --> 00:47:16.117 Those seeds produce fruit and it's the Holy Spirit, like Jesus told 00:47:16.147 --> 00:47:20.677 Nicodemus, you can't see the Holy Spirit, but it's, he's acting, right? 00:47:21.437 --> 00:47:25.097 just having faith in that is, is just knowing that is, 00:47:25.117 --> 00:47:26.917 is faith producing, I think. 00:47:27.902 --> 00:47:28.372 Kina: Amen. 00:47:28.402 --> 00:47:32.622 I, and when I think about that, it's so true because we can, like you 00:47:32.622 --> 00:47:36.222 said, the scripture says one plant, one water, God give the increase. 00:47:36.692 --> 00:47:41.442 And so we can plant something in somebody and we don't see 00:47:41.442 --> 00:47:42.782 anything happening, right? 00:47:43.532 --> 00:47:44.752 Because it's not for us. 00:47:44.822 --> 00:47:48.262 As long as we do our job, it's just planting or watering. 00:47:48.727 --> 00:47:52.127 Somebody, we might plant, somebody come along and water, but it's 00:47:52.127 --> 00:47:53.657 God that gives the increase. 00:47:54.007 --> 00:47:58.227 And so I, I can remember telling this young lady, she was saying that, she 00:47:58.227 --> 00:48:02.497 believed that, the, her ministry is ministering to young people, 25 to 00:48:02.537 --> 00:48:05.547 30 years old, but she don't really like people and talking to people, 00:48:08.167 --> 00:48:10.997 but yet she has a 25 year old and a 30 year old. 00:48:12.107 --> 00:48:16.667 And so I told her, I said, just think about how you're saved. 00:48:16.957 --> 00:48:20.407 you want your 25 year old and your 30 year old to be saved too. 00:48:20.677 --> 00:48:24.607 They may not listen to you, but they may listen to somebody else. 00:48:25.057 --> 00:48:28.217 And so you're praying that the Lord sends some people across their 00:48:28.217 --> 00:48:30.227 pathway that will minister to them. 00:48:30.597 --> 00:48:33.167 And so those people who's coming to you. 00:48:34.102 --> 00:48:37.002 Their parents could be praying the same thing that the Lord sent 00:48:37.002 --> 00:48:40.462 some people across my path, her pathway, that will minister to. 00:48:40.502 --> 00:48:43.022 So the Lord want to use you in that capacity. 00:48:44.287 --> 00:48:48.077 You got to be ready to be used because it's not all about us. 00:48:48.317 --> 00:48:53.827 And so if we can encourage and motivate and help other people, then 00:48:54.937 --> 00:48:56.217 that's what we're supposed to do. 00:48:57.347 --> 00:48:58.747 It is what we're supposed to do. 00:48:58.747 --> 00:48:59.247 And 00:48:59.567 --> 00:49:00.487 Jesse: Absolutely. 00:49:02.302 --> 00:49:08.532 Yeah, I've had, I'm grateful for the people who have prayed for 00:49:08.782 --> 00:49:10.712 me and my family over the years. 00:49:12.142 --> 00:49:12.622 kids, 00:49:14.722 --> 00:49:18.292 They could hear things a thousand times from the parents, but then a 00:49:18.292 --> 00:49:21.072 stranger says it and they take it in. 00:49:21.827 --> 00:49:22.457 Kina: it in. 00:49:22.827 --> 00:49:23.937 They take it in. 00:49:23.947 --> 00:49:28.817 We never know who the Lord used to, we, we just don't know. 00:49:28.887 --> 00:49:29.237 Wishes. 00:49:29.712 --> 00:49:33.092 Always be ready to give an answer of the hope that's within us. 00:49:34.542 --> 00:49:38.312 So we got to always be ready to help other people because that 00:49:38.312 --> 00:49:40.212 is what the world is in need of. 00:49:41.142 --> 00:49:42.072 in need of help. 00:49:42.662 --> 00:49:46.152 And, when we talking about the planting and the watering and God 00:49:46.162 --> 00:49:50.961 giving the increase and trials and tribulations and the things that he 00:49:50.961 --> 00:49:53.603 put inside of us is not just for us. 00:49:53.603 --> 00:49:57.669 He puts it in, we have the Holy Spirit on the inside of us. 00:49:58.069 --> 00:49:59.979 For us to help us to live this life. 00:50:00.549 --> 00:50:03.919 But we have his presence upon us to help other people. 00:50:04.379 --> 00:50:09.209 And so we got to always be ready to help other people because that's what 00:50:09.209 --> 00:50:16.209 this life is all about to show others, his love and his grace and his mercy. 00:50:16.459 --> 00:50:17.879 Cause how else would they see it? 00:50:19.059 --> 00:50:22.494 You can't, they can't just, they can't physically see him, but. 00:50:22.704 --> 00:50:26.334 They can see us who say that we are disciples and we are followers. 00:50:26.674 --> 00:50:29.374 And so we have to be able to go through some things. 00:50:29.924 --> 00:50:36.414 So some things can be in us in order for us to be fruit for other 00:50:36.414 --> 00:50:38.744 people, ourselves and other people. 00:50:39.529 --> 00:50:40.459 Jesse: absolutely. 00:50:40.609 --> 00:50:43.529 And when we're reaching out to others with the same comfort that 00:50:43.529 --> 00:50:48.639 God has given us, that's when we can really feel his presence, 00:50:49.224 --> 00:50:49.854 Kina: Amen. 00:50:50.194 --> 00:50:50.814 That's true. 00:50:51.009 --> 00:50:52.949 Jesse: It's like water flowing through the hose. 00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:55.129 Kina: That's so true. 00:50:55.609 --> 00:50:56.519 It's so true. 00:50:56.809 --> 00:51:00.419 And I just think about how, it is an honor though, to be able 00:51:00.419 --> 00:51:02.399 to serve him and to help others. 00:51:03.109 --> 00:51:06.559 I think about how he has given us the gift of his precious Holy 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.369 Spirit to be able to help others. 00:51:09.399 --> 00:51:13.239 And so if he has gifted us with it, then we cannot not. 00:51:14.179 --> 00:51:16.009 encourage and help other people. 00:51:16.266 --> 00:51:17.526 We don't have that privilege. 00:51:17.786 --> 00:51:18.396 Jesse: Right. 00:51:20.576 --> 00:51:26.096 I keep thinking about your experience with hospice and how the Lord led you there. 00:51:26.876 --> 00:51:30.746 And, I'll share a little story, I'll, I may cut it out, but just for 00:51:30.746 --> 00:51:33.646 you because I know you'll get it. 00:51:34.396 --> 00:51:36.216 so my dad died in 85. 00:51:36.256 --> 00:51:41.656 My mother remarried a really great, strong Christian guy a few years later. 00:51:41.656 --> 00:51:41.886 And. 00:51:42.476 --> 00:51:50.446 And then, they were married for 19 years, and then when he was dying at home, and 00:51:50.786 --> 00:51:55.556 my brother and I would take turns sitting with him, and he was in a hospital bed 00:51:55.556 --> 00:52:01.396 in their master bedroom at home, and we would administer pain meds and just 00:52:01.406 --> 00:52:03.016 be with him, and he couldn't talk. 00:52:05.286 --> 00:52:09.916 But he just knew, he was present, it wasn't comatose or anything. 00:52:11.016 --> 00:52:14.856 the day that he died, I remember I was sitting there with him 00:52:15.366 --> 00:52:16.816 and I was holding his hand. 00:52:16.816 --> 00:52:20.686 his daughter had come from North Carolina because we knew it was close. 00:52:21.126 --> 00:52:24.336 So my mom and his daughter were out in the kitchen and I was 00:52:24.336 --> 00:52:26.556 in the bedroom with Claude. 00:52:26.636 --> 00:52:32.246 and I just sensed that it was time and his breathing started getting further apart. 00:52:32.941 --> 00:52:37.561 further and further apart, and I was holding his hands, and, I 00:52:37.561 --> 00:52:41.641 just felt a presence in the room. 00:52:42.331 --> 00:52:49.084 And all of a sudden, the verse, think it's John 14, 6, something like that, 00:52:49.094 --> 00:52:53.624 that where Jesus told his disciples, if, I'm going to prepare a place for 00:52:53.624 --> 00:52:58.064 you, and when I do, I'll come back and bring you so you can be where I am. 00:52:58.544 --> 00:53:03.864 And all of a sudden, that verse came to mind, And I called my mom and 00:53:03.864 --> 00:53:07.224 his daughter into the room and they held his hand and he breathed his 00:53:07.224 --> 00:53:08.794 last and that was such a blessing. 00:53:09.684 --> 00:53:15.504 But I'll never forget that because I felt like Jesus was coming for him. 00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:18.399 taking him back to his mansion. 00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:19.889 Kina: Wow. 00:53:20.249 --> 00:53:22.829 Jesse: Yeah, that was such an awesome experience. 00:53:23.739 --> 00:53:30.859 And it's given me a lot of hope that, you know, he really shows up when we need him. 00:53:31.529 --> 00:53:32.059 Kina: Amen. 00:53:32.069 --> 00:53:36.479 And you know when you were talking about that to share another experience that 00:53:36.479 --> 00:53:41.529 happened at hospice, I wasn't volunteering at hospice it wasn't a patient that 00:53:41.529 --> 00:53:46.039 I want to see but it was a neighbor that, of ours that was in hospice. 00:53:46.089 --> 00:53:50.689 And so me and my sister, my oldest sister, and my mom and my youngest sister. 00:53:51.914 --> 00:53:54.634 Whenever someone's in the hospital, it's Oh gosh, we got to go. 00:53:54.634 --> 00:53:55.394 We got to pray. 00:53:55.454 --> 00:54:01.094 we led by the spirit to go and pray, cause like I said, in my testimony, if I 00:54:01.094 --> 00:54:07.744 had not had faithful people who believed in the Lord and was really, walking 00:54:07.744 --> 00:54:10.044 with him, they can get a prayer through. 00:54:10.614 --> 00:54:12.944 I don't know if the situation would have turned out. 00:54:13.244 --> 00:54:14.544 The way that it turned out. 00:54:15.074 --> 00:54:19.104 And and what I forgot to, I can remember is, two years before I got 00:54:19.154 --> 00:54:24.564 sick, I had a dream and in the dream, a doctor came to me and the doctor 00:54:24.564 --> 00:54:29.054 said, you got two years to live, that I had, some kind of brain issue. 00:54:29.574 --> 00:54:32.404 And I had two years to live that dream shook me. 00:54:32.404 --> 00:54:35.384 And so two years after. 00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:41.079 It's when I went through the whole thing where I was about to die and all of that. 00:54:41.509 --> 00:54:49.299 But so the importance of people, showing up in a time of need is, when me and my 00:54:49.299 --> 00:54:55.529 sister, we went to, our, to hospice and it was a neighbor and He was unconscious. 00:54:56.129 --> 00:54:58.189 they said he, he couldn't talk or anything. 00:54:58.659 --> 00:54:59.889 And but we still prayed. 00:55:00.349 --> 00:55:05.859 And so we held his hands and we prayed for him and we prayed that if he didn't 00:55:05.859 --> 00:55:10.879 receive salvation, we was just praying, Lord receive him and all of this. 00:55:11.209 --> 00:55:15.419 And he winked at us after the prayer, he winked. 00:55:16.049 --> 00:55:21.709 He did as if to say he received it, you know, and and I learned this from, 00:55:21.749 --> 00:55:26.689 our friend, myself, it's because it's, over the years we grow, we grow in 00:55:26.699 --> 00:55:32.279 knowledge and I was asking him, I was like, because somebody asked me one time 00:55:32.289 --> 00:55:36.449 before, if someone's in a coma, do you think that they can receive salvation? 00:55:36.789 --> 00:55:38.599 And I was like, no, I don't think so. 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:39.554 Because, yeah. 00:55:40.644 --> 00:55:41.334 They can't speak. 00:55:41.344 --> 00:55:43.084 They can't confess it with their mouth. 00:55:43.494 --> 00:55:47.424 And so our friend, Mike Selfie, shared with me that we're 00:55:47.424 --> 00:55:48.654 speaking to their spirit. 00:55:49.904 --> 00:55:54.544 And so the spirit in them, here's what you're saying to them. 00:55:55.064 --> 00:55:57.824 And so we're talking to their spirit. 00:55:58.184 --> 00:56:00.664 And so when he winked at us, it's Oh my gosh, he heard. 00:56:01.794 --> 00:56:07.264 So we pray he made it in, I don't know, so it's just a presence and like he was. 00:56:07.659 --> 00:56:12.869 The presence and the power of God is that we don't know, with his presence, when 00:56:12.869 --> 00:56:18.749 we're, praying for someone, we don't know what it's doing on the inside of somebody. 00:56:19.009 --> 00:56:20.459 We have no idea. 00:56:20.839 --> 00:56:25.689 And so we're just charged to do our part and then let him do everything else. 00:56:25.999 --> 00:56:28.779 And so that is another thing that, the Lord has, has me 00:56:28.779 --> 00:56:31.159 doing is that, hospital visits. 00:56:32.614 --> 00:56:35.724 When I find out somebody's in the hospital, I'll be ready to go pray. 00:56:36.289 --> 00:56:37.349 Jesse: Oh, man. 00:56:37.524 --> 00:56:41.604 Kina: Of course, being led by the spirit, but, I definitely, cause I, 00:56:41.704 --> 00:56:45.854 when I think about the Lord changing my life, it's like now that I really 00:56:45.854 --> 00:56:47.464 want people to make it into heaven. 00:56:48.369 --> 00:56:51.909 I really don't want people to leave this earth with not having 00:56:51.919 --> 00:56:54.109 received the Lord into their hearts. 00:56:54.539 --> 00:56:59.729 And when somebody is in a situation to where they need prayer or they 00:56:59.729 --> 00:57:05.979 don't know that they need prayer, try to, do my part and, go, and pray. 00:57:06.149 --> 00:57:09.429 asking the Holy Spirit to heal them, deliver them, and 00:57:09.439 --> 00:57:10.869 whatever it is that they need. 00:57:10.879 --> 00:57:12.789 Some people need a spiritual healing. 00:57:13.099 --> 00:57:16.739 Some people need, like in the Bible, a lot of times it wasn't so 00:57:16.739 --> 00:57:20.759 much as the physical healing, like the man at the Pool of Bethesda. 00:57:21.674 --> 00:57:23.254 He needed a spiritual healing. 00:57:23.534 --> 00:57:24.344 He got both. 00:57:24.414 --> 00:57:28.234 He got physical healing, but he needed a spiritual healing first. 00:57:28.584 --> 00:57:32.054 Because when the Lord asked him, did he want to be made whole? 00:57:32.314 --> 00:57:35.034 At the end of it, he told him don't sin no more. 00:57:35.904 --> 00:57:39.154 And so it was sin that had him in that situation. 00:57:39.654 --> 00:57:43.679 So He needed a spiritual healing and then he got both. 00:57:43.709 --> 00:57:45.379 He got a spiritual and a physical. 00:57:45.629 --> 00:57:50.189 So I realized some people they could be spiritually need a physical healing. 00:57:50.509 --> 00:57:54.759 Some people spiritual, physical, they may need a spiritual healing, but 00:57:54.949 --> 00:57:57.359 they made a need a complete healing. 00:57:57.639 --> 00:57:58.429 You never know. 00:57:58.459 --> 00:58:02.689 So I'm always mindful and praying and asking the Lord to give 00:58:02.689 --> 00:58:04.429 them what He knows they need. 00:58:04.669 --> 00:58:05.389 I don't know. 00:58:05.629 --> 00:58:08.919 I can look at a person and say, Oh man, they sick and in hospital. 00:58:08.929 --> 00:58:12.399 They need a physical healing, but that could not be what it is that they need. 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:15.719 They need that spiritual healing, which can cause them to get 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:17.069 a physical healing as well. 00:58:17.609 --> 00:58:23.819 And so always acknowledging the Lord before I do anything or go anywhere 00:58:23.879 --> 00:58:26.149 that he knows what a person needs. 00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:28.349 He knows us better than we know ourselves. 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:29.549 Jesse: Yeah. 00:58:29.759 --> 00:58:30.849 Absolutely. 00:58:32.459 --> 00:58:37.279 I've been, I was thinking about how, when God created, when it says in 00:58:37.279 --> 00:58:41.149 Genesis that we are created in his image. 00:58:41.579 --> 00:58:45.619 And, then he sent Jesus so that we could be reunited with that. 00:58:46.329 --> 00:58:47.779 So we are spirit. 00:58:49.124 --> 00:58:53.284 If we have a soul and we live in a body, right? 00:58:53.714 --> 00:58:54.864 So it's a package. 00:58:55.244 --> 00:58:59.784 But I think what connects us as human beings is we all, we are 00:58:59.784 --> 00:59:02.804 connected in God through that spirit. 00:59:03.054 --> 00:59:06.914 Some more than others, or some aware of it than others. 00:59:06.914 --> 00:59:09.404 And so we can pray. 00:59:10.189 --> 00:59:17.439 We can't transmit spirit to between ourselves and other people, like 00:59:17.479 --> 00:59:20.489 people that, like you say, are in a coma or something like that. 00:59:20.489 --> 00:59:24.239 they, they might not be able to physically respond, but. 00:59:25.779 --> 00:59:30.479 But through God's Holy Spirit, we do, we are able to communicate. 00:59:32.309 --> 00:59:36.849 And I think that's a blessing that God doesn't make us aware of that because 00:59:36.889 --> 00:59:38.539 we might get a big head about it. 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.819 We might start thinking, we're God, 00:59:41.204 --> 00:59:41.804 Kina: Yes. 00:59:42.299 --> 00:59:44.029 Jesse: we're just an instrument, right? 00:59:44.624 --> 00:59:49.004 Kina: Yeah, just the instrument being used by the Lord, which is a blessing. 00:59:50.724 --> 00:59:54.544 Jesse: I can tell that you, God is really using you, because He's given 00:59:54.544 --> 00:59:58.964 you this, desire and willingness to put yourself out there in, in the, 00:59:59.164 --> 01:00:02.134 to these really tough situations. 01:00:02.134 --> 01:00:05.884 People with, people are dying or sick in the hospital or whatever. 01:00:06.054 --> 01:00:07.944 So that, that really is a gift. 01:00:08.884 --> 01:00:09.324 Kina: yeah. 01:00:09.634 --> 01:00:10.234 Amen. 01:00:10.274 --> 01:00:14.164 And When I think about it too, I know that, it's because of his 01:00:14.184 --> 01:00:20.084 love that he has placed in us and, his love being produced in us. 01:00:20.894 --> 01:00:24.434 And because without his type, with that, with his type of love, that 01:00:25.084 --> 01:00:30.104 agape, unconditional love, or love that, wants to be able to help other 01:00:30.104 --> 01:00:34.364 people or love that wants to be able to look beyond people's thoughts, 01:00:34.634 --> 01:00:38.134 and still identify the need, right? 01:00:38.394 --> 01:00:40.924 And so it is only his love. 01:00:40.924 --> 01:00:45.994 And I think that's why it's love is the greatest commandment because 01:00:46.094 --> 01:00:51.864 his love, when I think about, other religions, And I think about, being 01:00:51.864 --> 01:00:58.454 a Christian, the basis and the foundation of our faith is love, right? 01:00:58.454 --> 01:00:59.944 It's based on love. 01:01:00.734 --> 01:01:04.494 And so he instituted that and, it's the greatest commandment. 01:01:04.894 --> 01:01:08.344 And so where we're able to, show others love. 01:01:09.434 --> 01:01:13.834 Really from a genuine love, not just from lip service, but from the heart 01:01:14.034 --> 01:01:15.114 and people know the difference. 01:01:15.954 --> 01:01:21.894 so when we're able to, from the heart, serve out of love, help out 01:01:21.894 --> 01:01:24.194 of love, it all comes from him. 01:01:24.234 --> 01:01:29.184 And it's that it's the only type of love that he can provide, that he can give 01:01:29.184 --> 01:01:34.057 and that, that, that he has placed on the inside of us to share with the world. 01:01:34.867 --> 01:01:36.277 so that's why. 01:01:36.557 --> 01:01:40.127 our, Christian faith is. 01:01:41.517 --> 01:01:43.347 The best faith, the only faith. 01:01:44.722 --> 01:01:48.612 Jesse: when Jesus told the disciples, he says, and this is my commandment 01:01:48.622 --> 01:01:54.472 that you love one another, that when Jesus, when God commands something, 01:01:54.482 --> 01:01:59.782 he's, his command comes with an enablement, the, with the power to do it. 01:01:59.827 --> 01:02:02.927 he wouldn't command us to do something that we, he doesn't 01:02:02.927 --> 01:02:04.787 also give us the power to do. 01:02:05.447 --> 01:02:06.007 Kina: amen. 01:02:06.077 --> 01:02:07.427 Jesse: Where else is it going to come from? 01:02:08.557 --> 01:02:09.417 Kina: It is true. 01:02:09.587 --> 01:02:10.067 Jesse: Yeah. 01:02:10.397 --> 01:02:11.107 Kina: It is true. 01:02:11.117 --> 01:02:12.887 He said that, I was going to say something. 01:02:12.887 --> 01:02:13.487 I lost it. 01:02:14.347 --> 01:02:15.707 So maybe I supposed to say it. 01:02:17.217 --> 01:02:17.747 Jesse: That's right. 01:02:17.867 --> 01:02:21.857 Kina: it is his love and it is the greatest commandment and, and it is a 01:02:22.087 --> 01:02:23.767 Jesse: you just embody that. 01:02:23.767 --> 01:02:24.507 I can feel it. 01:02:24.587 --> 01:02:29.807 And, this has been such a blessing being able to talk to you today 01:02:29.807 --> 01:02:32.207 and I, our time is about out. 01:02:33.337 --> 01:02:36.107 But, if there's anything else you want to add, please feel free. 01:02:36.107 --> 01:02:38.907 Otherwise, would you pray for our listeners? 01:02:39.627 --> 01:02:41.437 Kina: I will, father, we thank you. 01:02:42.897 --> 01:02:44.047 We thank you so much. 01:02:44.837 --> 01:02:46.147 We thank you for being so good. 01:02:46.387 --> 01:02:48.237 So faithful, so consistent. 01:02:48.237 --> 01:02:48.367 Amen. 01:02:48.787 --> 01:02:51.457 So loving, so merciful and so kind. 01:02:52.247 --> 01:02:53.737 We thank you for your tender mercies. 01:02:53.797 --> 01:02:54.867 That's better than life. 01:02:55.667 --> 01:02:57.507 And we thank you father for being with us. 01:02:58.017 --> 01:02:59.267 And we thank you for loving us. 01:02:59.577 --> 01:03:02.867 And we thank you for, sending Jesus, your only begotten son, 01:03:03.477 --> 01:03:07.517 that all we have to do is believe in him and that is our salvation. 01:03:07.697 --> 01:03:09.937 And so we thank you for our salvation. 01:03:10.187 --> 01:03:12.977 We thank you for allowing us to be a part of your salvation plan. 01:03:13.437 --> 01:03:15.487 And we thank you for using us for your glory. 01:03:15.957 --> 01:03:17.957 So father, I pray for the listeners. 01:03:18.727 --> 01:03:22.327 All of the ones who don't know you yet that will come to know you. 01:03:22.977 --> 01:03:26.037 I pray, Father, that, the day that they hear your heart, the day that 01:03:26.037 --> 01:03:29.387 they hear your voice, that their heart, that they hearten, not their hearts. 01:03:30.127 --> 01:03:33.897 And for those of us, Father, that are walking with you and going through 01:03:33.897 --> 01:03:38.827 trials and going through tribulations, Father, give us the strength and, the 01:03:38.827 --> 01:03:42.447 courage and the help to move forward. 01:03:42.887 --> 01:03:47.107 To not give up, to trust you in all things and know that all things are 01:03:47.107 --> 01:03:52.077 working together for our goods and help us to, not lose hope because 01:03:52.077 --> 01:03:56.007 hope make us not ashamed because your love is shed abroad in our hearts 01:03:56.037 --> 01:03:57.887 and is by your precious Holy spirit. 01:03:58.417 --> 01:04:02.107 So help us to move forward and help us to know that whatever we may face 01:04:02.107 --> 01:04:06.237 in this life, that there is a greater purpose and that, the things that 01:04:06.237 --> 01:04:08.797 we go through father, it helps us. 01:04:08.817 --> 01:04:11.387 It strengthens us and, helps us to help others. 01:04:11.927 --> 01:04:12.717 And we thank you. 01:04:12.957 --> 01:04:15.687 We thank you for all that you do in our lives, and we thank you 01:04:15.727 --> 01:04:17.007 for who you are in our lives. 01:04:17.547 --> 01:04:22.887 And I pray, Father, that the testimony and this call and the things that 01:04:22.887 --> 01:04:25.717 were said will edify someone. 01:04:27.087 --> 01:04:28.577 And, glorify you. 01:04:29.207 --> 01:04:31.397 And I pray father that, I thank you so much. 01:04:31.417 --> 01:04:35.337 I thank you for allowing me to be able to have a conversation 01:04:35.377 --> 01:04:36.847 on your podcast with Mr. 01:04:36.857 --> 01:04:37.867 Duke's on this day. 01:04:38.407 --> 01:04:43.157 Thank you for blessing him with such a blessed podcast that edify your people 01:04:43.197 --> 01:04:47.727 and glorify you and want to help your people, encourage your people, motivate 01:04:47.727 --> 01:04:52.357 your people, and to, Listen to the testimonies and how good and merciful and 01:04:52.367 --> 01:04:57.717 graceful, gracious that you have been to all of us and how you continue to work 01:04:57.717 --> 01:04:59.697 through us to help us and to keep us. 01:05:00.157 --> 01:05:05.317 So Father, I pray that millions want to give their testimony, not 01:05:05.317 --> 01:05:06.687 just a few people, but millions. 01:05:07.442 --> 01:05:11.072 And they'd be multiplied father, those numbers that only you can 01:05:11.072 --> 01:05:12.952 do, and we know that you can. 01:05:13.282 --> 01:05:16.582 And so we say thank you and all of the ones that you want to give your 01:05:16.582 --> 01:05:21.187 testimony, father, help give us, help to give them courage and to, 01:05:21.337 --> 01:05:22.867 to come and give their testimony. 01:05:23.227 --> 01:05:24.037 And we thank you. 01:05:24.067 --> 01:05:26.677 Thank you for all that you are doing, and thank you for all 01:05:26.677 --> 01:05:28.387 that you are in Jesus' name. 01:05:28.477 --> 01:05:28.957 Amen. 01:05:30.422 --> 01:05:31.032 Jesse: Amen. 01:05:35.332 --> 01:05:37.532 Speaker: We hope you've been blessed by today's story. 01:05:38.002 --> 01:05:41.722 In case you haven't noticed, there are no advertisements on this podcast, 01:05:42.082 --> 01:05:43.622 and we hope to keep it that way. 01:05:44.272 --> 01:05:48.412 So if you've heard 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01:06:26.297 --> 01:06:30.667 their story is not interesting enough, or that it's self centered to talk 01:06:30.677 --> 01:06:35.717 about themselves, or that they are not competent to explain the gospel correctly. 01:06:36.157 --> 01:06:37.417 But none of that is relevant. 01:06:37.807 --> 01:06:41.247 If Jesus has changed your life, you have a story to tell. 01:06:42.192 --> 01:06:44.602 All of our stories are completely unique. 01:06:44.902 --> 01:06:49.672 No one has a story like yours, and you may be the only one who can reach someone 01:06:49.672 --> 01:06:51.452 else through telling your experience. 01:06:52.022 --> 01:06:53.392 So don't be intimidated. 01:06:53.722 --> 01:06:59.142 A story is just that, a true account of your own experience, and no one 01:06:59.152 --> 01:07:01.092 can disagree with your experience. 01:07:02.047 --> 01:07:06.227 When we tell what Jesus has done in our lives, we are being obedient to his 01:07:06.227 --> 01:07:10.447 command to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 01:07:10.847 --> 01:07:14.697 It's not about theology, and it's not about how interesting or special you are. 01:07:15.037 --> 01:07:16.697 It's all about Jesus. 01:07:17.477 --> 01:07:22.187 So when you're ready to tell how Jesus has impacted your life, you can let Jesse 01:07:22.187 --> 01:07:25.307 know at his ministry website, jesseduke. 01:07:25.327 --> 01:07:25.587 net. 01:07:26.217 --> 01:07:29.397 There you can download guidelines that will make it easy to 01:07:29.397 --> 01:07:30.857 prepare to tell your story. 01:07:31.477 --> 01:07:33.917 Thank you for listening today and Shalom.