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Welcome to Digication
Scholars Conversations.

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I'm your host, Jeff Yan.

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In this episode, you will hear part two of
my conversation with Lizz Colon, Director

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of Learning in Public at College Unbound.

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You talked a lot about
lived experiences, right?

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I want to go back into one of the things
that you had mentioned as one of the first

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things that you said, you know, after.

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After basically, you know, 20 credits
in the, in the, Community College,

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you did a lot of work around, um,
"Lead Poisoning Prevention," and you

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worked for the CDC, EPA, and so on.

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Can you tell us a little
bit about that work?

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I know that it's so far may not have
something, you know, doesn't, may

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not connect to, to, um, to College
Unbound, but I think it does.

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I think that, you know, We can get a
sense of, for someone who struggled so

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hard to stay in school, when something's
on the line, something that matters, she

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shines and she became a national respected
expert on the, how does that happen?

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Can you tell us about that work
and tell us how that happened?

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Well, I mean, so again, it
came from lived experience.

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Um, I bought a house.

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Um, it was built in 1896.

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Um, I had gotten married.

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One of my, my, my second child,
um, after moving in the house

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only after three months, um, was
hospitaLizzed with lead poisoning.

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And, um, there was a whole whirlwind
of things that had to happen, um, and,

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and this happened in, in 1996, um, and
that's kind of what led me down that

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path into getting involved with my
community and I wanted to know more, um,

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there was a meeting at the Rhode Island
Department of Health and one of the,

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the nurses Um, that, uh, was a nursing
coordinator for the childhood led o...

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for the lead program, um, at the hospital.

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Uh, was like, you should come,
and you should talk to people,

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and we're gonna have this meeting.

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And I walked into this meeting, and
here's people from the Department

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of Health, and there's lawyers,
and doctors, and all this stuff.

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And here I am, my teacher.

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21 year old self, um, walking in and
they're talking about, you know, how

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great of a campaign they're doing and
I was like, I was dumbstruck because I

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had never heard of lead poisoning before
and I had never, you know, these people

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were all, you know, professionals and
congratulating themselves about what

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a great campaign and I'm like, I've
never even heard of your campaign.

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Like, how is this right?

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This doesn't make sense to me.

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Um, and, and, I'm also a
person who's very direct.

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And so, um, it was like, well, would you
want to be and sit on this committee?

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Because we think we need
members of the community.

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And I was like, absolutely,
but I can't be the only one.

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You have to have more people.

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Like, more people like me, in my shoes.

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Because I knew it was going
to be an uphill battle.

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Um, and so that's kind of what
started and what launched.

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I didn't even know what community
organizing was at the time.

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Um, I didn't know that I was really
like advocating for other people.

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I was just asking questions because
it wasn't, it explains well, and I

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didn't understand why these things
were happening and why there was such

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a lack of a process or they would
brush it off onto something else.

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And, um.

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That's my personal inquisitiveness, is
kind of what started that, um, and I

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just kept rolling with it, and then I
met this woman, um, her name is Roberta

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Hazen Aaronson, and she was, uh, working
as the executive director for the

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Childhood Action Project, and she was
like, would you like to come work for me?

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And I was like, uh, I don't know,
I don't know who you are, I don't

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know what you're doing, I, I'm like
You know, she's like, well, I want

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you to be a community organizer.

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And I was like, but what is that?

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And she's like, everything that you've
been doing, but I want to pay you for it.

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And I was like, whoa,
okay, I could do this.

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And so that's kind of what started down
this advocacy path, which then turned

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into, um, You know, being the leader in
building coalitions and it led to the next

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part of, um, you know, lobbying at the
statehouse and, you know, legislation.

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It led to, um, 10 years of litigation,
um, in regards to, um, the paint companies

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and the way that we had to, um, litigate,
you know, cases for lead based paint.

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Um, and, and I was

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lucky enough to be part of all of that.

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Um, and so because I had that background
and when we talk about lived experience

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and I came into College Unbound, it was
like, wow, you know, you've done this.

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I could build a portfolio all around
litigation and using, um, you know, and,

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and, and, you know, building consensus
and, um, and, and even legislation.

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Right.

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And the legislative actions
that I had taken, right.

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And I covered my civic engagement
classes, um, and it covered my

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leadership classes, uh, when I talked
about kind of the hierarchy of.

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the organization and the organizational
structures within the Department of

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Health, or whether it was on the, the,
you know, the state level or the national

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level, or even on a local level, um, I
was able to get, you know, credit for

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organizational studies because I was
an industrial hygienist and I did a lot

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around, um, you know, lead, asbestos,
um, you know, all kinds of, of, um,

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Environmental toxins around heavy metals.

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I was able to get credit for science,
you know Uh, and so like I there was

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a there were a lot of different pieces
And it was just an amazing journey to

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be able to say yeah I've done this and
then be able to equate that to a class

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and have enough information To be able
to say like I understand the context.

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I understand the criteria I understand
the learning and so when you kind of

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put those things side by side, that's
how I was able to get the credit.

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But I, I, this is why I
think it's so important.

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This is such an amazing story, by
the way, congratulations and thank

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you for doing this amazing work.

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Because, I really do think that millions
of people are better off because of that,

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and that's, you know, it's, it's just,
it's just absolutely fantastic, and, but

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I, I, I do want to just kind of go back
to that moment when you said, Oh, my child

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got sick, and, and this is what sometimes
lived experience looks like, that you

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cannot reproduce, you cannot do, do enough
pretend projects at school to, to bring

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the passion out in someone like Lizz.

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I think that Lizz, there are many Lizz's
in the world where, where, The pretend

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project in schools are not enough to,
to get her attention, get her, get her,

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get her to, to believe in something
that goes, I've got to make this back.

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Like, I want to see the
world in a better place.

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I'm going to do it now.

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I'm not going to do a, let's write
a paper about something that might

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happen that no one was going to see.

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Because I think that's when
you have your problems.

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That's when you're getting
red pads all over it.

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But when you had to face the real
world, you know, the real legislation,

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real, real, real issues, that's
when you go, Whoa, hold on a minute.

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I'm going to bring out my A game.

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Right?

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And I think that that's, by the
way, that's human nature too.

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So to me, I, I actually would, you
know, would really also say, I want

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to pitch to the educators who are
listening to this, don't underestimate

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your students to think that they're too
young, too naive, too little knowledge,

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too, too, too, whatever it is, your
excuse are to think that They are not

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good enough to do something useful.

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I don't think that's true.

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Don't you think that's?

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I think you're absolutely right.

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I mean, I work with students all
day long and I advise students

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on, um, you know, their, their
learning and public portfolios.

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And so one of the questions I ask
them is, all right, so what do you do?

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What did you, what did, what did you do?

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How long were you involved in this?

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What was your depth of work?

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You know, kind of start
with those smaller pieces.

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Um, and we've got some incredibly
talented, articulate, amazing students.

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And no matter if you can come to a cohort
on any Tuesday or Wednesday night, and you

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can go up to any random student and say.

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What is your project
that you're working on?

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And they will go into the spiel
of everything they are doing.

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Um, and it's because of it's
something that you get to choose.

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It's something that you
are passionate about.

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And so, I think one of the important
pieces in the way that this has been,

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um, that this has been rolled out is,
is that not only do you care about what

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you're doing, you have people around
you who care about what you're doing.

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And so, when you have a community of
people that are invested, and even

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though they might be just doing, you
know, different tasks or have different

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projects, the fact is, is that they're
supportive of what you're trying to do.

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They are trying to Help you get deeper
and learn and reflect and There's

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this camaraderie That happens and
when somebody says oh, I can't I can't

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I'm just like I'm overwhelmed And
it's like it's okay to take a step

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back and take a breath reevaluate,
rework, refresh, revise And keep

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going, because it's not a direct path.

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There always are going to be bumps in
the road, there's going to be humps,

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there's going to be um, these deep
valleys that you have to go through,

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and then you come out on the other
side, and, but really embracing

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the points of reflective learning.

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I think is really one of the biggest
pieces and that's really the key

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to what we think of when we have
like a non traditional educational

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system like College Unbound.

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I have students who are, when they
talk about their projects, I have

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a student, um, who, you know, They,
they did a family caregiving portfolio

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because, you know, the grandmother
had heart problems and so the daughter

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is taking care of the kids, her kids.

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She's taking care of her mother.

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She has to, you know, she did a ton
of research on her cardiac care.

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She had to do a ton of research
on meds, what meds she could use,

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couldn't use, how they interact.

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She didn't go to class for that.

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She had to learn that on the job,
right, in order to be, in order to be

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safe and to help her mother through.

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And at the same time, she's
also in school full time, works

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full time, and has two kids.

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And so, those things that you're learning
that, You don't even reaLizze you're

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doing, like, taking care of somebody
else and doing research to find out,

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like, their, their whole, you know, and
put a plan together of who's gonna do

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what and hire a CNA and, like, those
are not just skills people have random,

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like, they, they, they have them, but
it's not something like a skill set

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you, you, you know or you're taught.

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And that's where lived
experience really comes in.

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Because, I mean if you're
an immigrant to the U.

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and you come here and you go through the
whole process of, of, of becoming a U.

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citizen, like that's civic engagement,
and they make you jump through hoops,

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right, in order for that process to
happen, and that's a big deal, and that's

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creditworthy, but yet, unless you take
a civics class, that's the only way

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we're going to actually give you credit.

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And by the way, these
are not easy credits.

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These were actually.

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Gonna be way harder.

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I mean, look, the credits that you got
for your 29 years of work could have

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been several, several PhDs, right?

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What's up?

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What's up?

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Probably!

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Like, but, but, you know, but like, these
are not easy, but these are, you know,

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you do them not because, it's because
you are driven by passion, you're driven

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by a need that you needed to do it.

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And that's, that's important.

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I actually did exactly what you said,
which is I talked to a couple of.

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Graduates, um, when I came to
visit and just anyone, right,

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they're like, what's your project?

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And she gave me, there was one student or
alum who gave this amazing, um, project.

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She, I think her best friend
got, um, lost her life from

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swimming in, uh, in the ocean.

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I think it was a reptile, you know,
taken her out and, and she drowned.

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And, and the, so this.

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Alumnus has in her first, was it
like eight weeks, six weeks when

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you start to do this project, right?

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To find this project?

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She decided that she wanted to create,
uh, provide free swim lessons to children.

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And the little did, if you, I mean when
she said it, I'm like, oh my god, why

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wouldn't anyone have thought about this?

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Because for many inner city kids, many
kids of, um, you know, less privileged,

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Swimming lessons does not come for
free, does not come out of nowhere.

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Your kids don't just aren't
born knowing how to swim.

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You know, parents don't get the
time to go and take them to go swim.

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It's a, it's a serious privilege
to go and, and take swim lessons.

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And especially people of color, right?

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And she said, what if I just
prove and figure out how to

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provide free swim lessons?

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There would be So many more people
who would not be in that situation

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where they could drown just from,
you know, being in the ocean.

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And by the way, being in the ocean, being
on the beach is the kind of thing that

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most people, you know, if that's not your
lived experience, most people will think

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about, yeah, that's just a good sunny day.

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We get to enjoy ourselves.

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Of course our kids know how to swim
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they were young, but that's a privilege
that not everyone gets to have.

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Right.

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And so for, for students at College
Unbound, being able to figure that

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out and turn it into a project.

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This is why these projects are more
successful than any pretend project

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that we give to the students otherwise.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, I think that, you know, a
couple of other things that I was

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surprised just recently to know about
College Unbound is that, you know,

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we have a 96 percent graduation rate.

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I don't know Any other
college that has that.

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And yes, we're still small
and we're still growing.

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You know, we are the toddler of colleges.

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We've only been around
for a few years, right?

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We're still finding our footing.

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To have the fact that you have
90 cent, 96 percent of your

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graduates are successful is crazy.

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You know, it's insane.

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The other, the other statistic
that I just learned and I was

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floored by was that after Our
students graduate College Unbound.

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Forty percent.

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40 percent end up in a master's
degree program within three years.

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And these are mostly students who did
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had in fact probably dropped out once,
twice, three times, and then come back.

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And I mean, we have just, just
thinking about just kind of the

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populations of people that, that, that
we have here right now at Unbound.

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Um, um, We have a high percentage
that probably over 80%, um, are women.

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We have, um, women of color, um, Latinas,
uh, right now kind of at the, the

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highest, um, bracket, um, in regards
to, you know, men, women, um, race.

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We have, uh, the second highest is, um,
the African American population for women.

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here at College Unbound, which is huge.

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Um, most of our students dropped out,
stopped out, started college, you

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know, um, more than 60 percent started
college at some point, never finished.

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That's crazy.

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Like 60 percent of our students,
like, never, and, and our average,

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so yes, we have students that have
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Um, they're far and few between.

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A lot of CalKIDS want to just go right
into the traditional, which is fine.

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Then there are some, um, a lot of our
high school students from the Met,

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hidden under the big picture, tend to be
like, I want to go right into something

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that I'm already familiar with and
that's where College Unbound comes in.

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Um, because they've already had
those experiences in some different

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ways, and they want to be able
to continue on that journey.

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But on average, our average age is 37.

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You know, I mean, we have students
that are, you know, go from anywhere

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from, you know, 18 and up through,
through somebody that we have student

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right now is in her mid 70s, you know,
and, and for her, College Unboun...,

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college was never an opportunity.

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And she raised her kids and she raised
her family and she's raising grandkids.

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And she said, I never had the opportunity.

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Now is my time.

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And so, you know, she's
got to figure out a career.

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She was a housewife, you know, and
she took care of her kids and her

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family and never really had the
opportunity to work outside the home.

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And now she has to work outside
the home because that's the

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only way she has that income.

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And so from going from one thing to
another and not having, you know, some

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of those skills in regards and because
she doesn't have a bachelor's degree,

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you know, jobs are just, it's this
whole, you know, system that is, is.

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It's set up and it's not set up
in a way that you feel like you

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can, um, really be proactive or
that you can really get there.

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Like if the system is almost in a
way to set you up to fail, right?

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Unless you jump through
these particular hoops.

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And I think College Unbound is
trying to Take down those barriers.

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You have a transportation problem?

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Let us help you figure it out.

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You want to come to school in the evening?

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Let's buy you, let's give you food.

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Right?

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You need childcare?

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We're gonna supply that.

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And so, we, we set people
up to be successful.

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If someone doesn't show up to class
two times in a row, they get a text,

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they get phone calls, what you doing,
where you going, are you good, what

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do you need, um, we need to know that.

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You know, we also have, um, funds
that we try to utiLizze in regards

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to what if someone has a fire?

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What if, um, someone is on the
verge of becoming homeless?

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Someone lost their apartment,
someone needs help.

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You know, rental assistance.

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Someone doesn't have heat.

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We also have set up ways and
processes to help our students.

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Someone's in need of a bed, right?

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Let's put a call out to everybody to say,
Anybody know where to get anything, right?

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That's how you build your community.

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We want to build it up.

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Not tear it down.

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And so when people step up, wow,
do they step up, do they come out?

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It's amazing.

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And the support for other students around
even not only just their academics,

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but like the peer to peer conversations
that happen around academics, um, and

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the people that show up to support,
you know, when you, when we say you

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enter College Unbound and you've got,
you know, 400 students at your back,

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you know, it really is something.

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It's not something that is
just said, like you could feel

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it because they will show up.

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It's amazing.

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It's, it's like, to me, it's like, you
know, seeing, you know, how like sometimes

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massive colleges, you know, have their
sports teams, they show up for sports

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teams, but this is like, this is for you.

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And that, you know, everyone's
showing up for you, right?

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It's amazing.

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And I, I, I also, um, I think it's,
it's important to say that, especially

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with, um, you know, learning in public,
you know, College Unbound's version

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of call, you know, give Credit for
Prior Learning, especially for people

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like yourself who, you know, had
such, such a, such an amazing lift

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experience, Wonderful career already.

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A lot of that get translated
into real credit set.

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That really means that you can finish,
um, your bachelor's degree in a

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fraction of the time that it would
take in a traditional institution.

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Is that right?

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I mean, we, we.

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Traditionally, our four year
institution, we have a four

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year bachelor's degree program.

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On average, someone coming in with
absolutely no credit can usually get

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their degree in about three years.

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Um, if you are coming in with a little bit
of credit, Um, or you're coming in with

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your associate's degree, which is at least
60 credits, and so you need up to 120.

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You're looking at probably a year
and a half to two years at the most.

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Um, then you have unique people, um,
who are coming in with a ton of credits.

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And they are in and out in one year.

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Um, and so it really, you know,
there's a combination of it's not

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a, it's not a one size fits all.

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There's a combination of, you know,
how much credit are you bringing in?

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What classes do you need?

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You know, what was able to transfer?

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And we're very generous
when it comes to transfer.

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We take just about everything.

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We can't take, um, You know, there
are some classes that we can't take

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if they're remedial or things is
just, you know, certain ways and

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certain rules that we have to follow.

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Um, but having those and then being
able to say, okay, on top of my transfer

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credit that I'm bringing in with me.

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But I also have this lived
experience, and how do I build

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these portfolios to get them?

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Um, and then those are assessed by, uh,
my office, and we have a team of people,

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of, um, assessors who have a Master's
Degree or higher, or, uh, have very, uh,

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specific expertise in a particular field.

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And those are the folks who do the
assessments for us and are able to, you

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know, say it was at, um, you know, this
many credits at this level and they're

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also given feedback in ways, uh, not
only, um, about their portfolio, but

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ways they could also take it to the next
step and make those portfolios deeper.

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You mentioned portfolios a few times
and one of the things that, I mean, I

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feel like it's pretty clear that yes,
people have done their work, they put

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it together in a portfolio and you
get to assess it and it's good, you

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know, I think that's pretty clear.

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One thing that I sort of wonder,
I mean, I think you've done this,

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so maybe you can tell us too.

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When you put together a portfolio,
you've got 29 years of experience,

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you put together a portfolio,
what does that feel like for you?

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And do you, I, you know, are you
learning anything about yourself,

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you know, through that process?

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Or what's the process like as in it of
itself an education learning experience?

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I think, um, I think
it's a great experience.

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I mean, I think like one of the
ways that I usually coach students

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is to say like, okay, um, you
have all this lived experience.

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Like I've had all this
lived experience in my life.

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How do you start to
deconstruct what goes where?

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Right?

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So, make three columns, right?

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So, here's your column and your
title, your first one, Leadership,

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or your title, your, your next one,
Family Caregiving, and your title,

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your next one, Civic Engagement, and
then just make a lot, nobody's going

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to see it, but the student, right?

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So, then you make a laundry list of
all the things that you've done that

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fall under Leadership, all the things
that you've done that fall under Civic

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Engagement or Family Caregiving, and
you start to think about not only,

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As you have this list and you start
to think about how did I get there?

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And so for leadership, how did I
become a leader in my community?

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I showed up, I went to some trainings,
I testified on a piece of legislation

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at the state house, I talked to senators
and representatives within the state, you

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know, I had meetings with the coalition,
I started to like, and so then you can

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see, you know what I mean, so you can
really like articulate and then you can

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say, oh, and I remember like going up
to the state house on this day and there

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were 25 people that were going to testify
in front of, you know, um, The Finance

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Committee, and the Finance Committee is
made up of these people, and, you know,

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I think one of the things, like, I found
with, with legislative work is, is that,

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you know, when you go to the legislature,
there's always these people at, like,

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the legis, the legislators having side
conversations as, like, they're doing

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this, and I don't know how they can keep
up all these conversations as they're

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going, um, and then they're going through
the legislation, and when people testify.

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And I always found that when A parent,
a student, or somebody who's out of

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the realm of politics shows up to
testify at a legislative hearing,

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that person is listened to more than
anybody else in the room because

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you're not the "you know" regular,
who shows up to lobby on stuff.

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And that makes a huge difference.

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Um, And I think that was one of the
things that I found out was really

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profound, Because I can go up to the
statehouse and lobby all the time, right?

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That was kind of in my role
as a community organizer.

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And After a while, they
got sick of my testimony.

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I had to bring a fresh
face, a new story, right?

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So I always bring somebody new.

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And I think one of the things that
when we, when we think about our lived

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experience and we think about just how we
would organize these buckets of criteria

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to build a portfolio, you also have to
think about the stories of impact, right?

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And so I could tell you about my
leadership role going up to the state

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house, but I think a bigger impact
is when I brought these three moms.

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And they went up there to testify
for the first time, and they were

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nervous, and they were scared.

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But you could hear a pin drop in that room
because the side conversation stopped.

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Right?

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Because really, they had something to say.

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And that was like a profound
learning experience.

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And I think we don't, some, a lot of
times we are so, On the go and moving

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from one thing to a next that we just
we don't sit in in the way we should

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just ponder and think and reflect and
then one of the things that you learn at

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College Unbound is is that in every way
shape or form whether it's in a class

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whether it is doing a portfolio whether
it is, um, In your project, there's

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a piece of reflection that happens.

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There's what is going on right now,
so I'm taking stock in my learning.

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How do I look backward at what
I've done and where I've been

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and how I got to this point.

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And then now I'm going to reflect forward
on where I am and where I want to go.

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And because you have that taking stock,
reflecting backward and reflecting

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forward in almost every area of College
Unbound, um, sometimes people feel like,

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oh my gosh, I'm reflecting all the time.

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That's all I do is reflect.

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But when you put that on paper, And you
see what you've done in the classes you've

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taken or the lip credit that you're able
to get, it becomes extremely profound

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because not only is this, it's not like
a transcript, it almost turns into your

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resume or like a CV of all of the things
that you'd like, you know what I mean?

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It, it, and people will look
back on it and go, wow, I didn't

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reaLizze I did that much stuff.

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Oh, wow.

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Like, that's cool.

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I can't, I really did all that?

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Like, it's, it's, because we don't,
I think, first of all, as people,

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we're very humble, um, and we don't
give ourselves the extra credit.

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And I'm guilty of that myself.

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I do it all the time.

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But at the same time, we are also
not, we don't want to be boisterous.

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We don't want to, um, we don't want
to put ourselves on a pedestal.

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But yet, I think we need to.

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And so one of the things I always
tell students when they're building a

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portfolio is, this is your time to shine.

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This is your chance to get up on
a pedestal and dance and twirl

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and, you know, give everybody
everything that you've got and

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everything that you've done.

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And you should be able to celebrate
that and be proud of that, right?

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And, and be able to, to
be confident in that.

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That's why you got the credit, right?

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Because it was really good stuff and
it was really something profound.

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But most of the time we're just
walking by ourselves and, you

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know, pat yourself on the back.

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And when somebody says,
Oh, you did a good job.

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You don't really be like, but
really, did I do a good job?

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What did I do a good job for?

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00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,690
Like, we don't, we just
kept like, Oh, thanks.

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And keep going.

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Right?

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And this is a chance to really
take a deep dive into self

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reflection, into your skills.

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00:31:49,985 --> 00:31:57,275
into your commitment to yourself, to
your community as a student and being

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00:31:57,275 --> 00:32:05,435
with like minded folks who also kind of
want to be in that space of community

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00:32:05,915 --> 00:32:12,954
and be like, we can make impact, we
can make things happen and it works.

484
00:32:14,614 --> 00:32:17,744
Yeah, it's, it's, it really is amazing.

485
00:32:17,744 --> 00:32:23,874
I, I'm, uh, I am, uh, I'm so grateful
that you're able to share all this, Lizz.

486
00:32:24,114 --> 00:32:29,080
Um, I think that Lizz, we've
Our time has pretty much come to

487
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an end here for today, for now.

488
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:40,340
I am so amazed by all the, all of the
things that you and Adam Bush and your

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colleagues at College Unbound have been
able to accomplish, and I have little

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00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:53,580
doubt that, um, you know, in time we
are going to see College Unbound being

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a model that will be highly sought
after in a lot of places, because, s...

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00:32:58,879 --> 00:33:01,509
we are, there are, you know.

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There are universities that are
willing to spend more than the

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entire budget of College Unbound
to improve their model today.

495
00:33:12,819 --> 00:33:15,499
And they couldn't figure out,
you know, how to do it, right?

496
00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:17,470
And you all have figured out how to do it.

497
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,379
And I think some of it is also
through this lived experience.

498
00:33:20,530 --> 00:33:25,540
So it actually modeled itself, you know,
at the institutional level as well.

499
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:28,060
You know, it's a, it's
a really cool thing.

500
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,810
Um, uh, well, Lizz, thank you again.

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00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:36,120
Again, congratulations
on all your success.

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00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:42,960
And, um, I, uh, look forward to, um,
further, um, you know, um, uh, lot more

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00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,670
interactions with you all, you know,
in, in the coming months and years.

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00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:54,025
And, uh, meanwhile, Um, for anyone
who's interested in checking out College

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00:33:54,025 --> 00:34:00,645
Unbound, go to collegeunbound.edu
and um, uh, we'll post to Lizz,

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00:34:00,825 --> 00:34:07,105
uh, Lizz's, um, social media, et
cetera, um, along with this episode

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00:34:07,105 --> 00:34:11,305
so you can follow her and also to,
uh, get in, get in touch with her.

508
00:34:11,715 --> 00:34:17,510
Um, do you want to learn more about,
um, uh, Learning in Public, um, You

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00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:21,500
know, if you're at another institution,
you're struggling with college for prior

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00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:25,690
learning, this is the place, this is the,
this is the place to go on and check out.

511
00:34:25,910 --> 00:34:29,829
Lizz, am I right to say that
you also have a paper that was

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published recently, am I right?

513
00:34:32,495 --> 00:34:37,815
Well, yes, I was, uh, actually involved
in two, um, one that was, uh, one

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00:34:37,815 --> 00:34:44,984
that was published in regards to, um,
establishing the, the, the, uh, LIP

515
00:34:45,005 --> 00:34:50,235
program, um, when we first initiated
that, and then, um, the second one is we

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00:34:50,235 --> 00:34:52,755
just did a white paper all on, uh, CPL.

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00:34:53,395 --> 00:34:53,685
So, yeah.

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Yeah, we will put put those as links
into the into into the show notes

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00:34:59,230 --> 00:35:04,590
so people can go and check it out
Lizz again, thank you so much, and

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00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:06,520
I hope to talk to you again soon.

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00:35:06,579 --> 00:35:07,049
Okay.

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00:35:07,220 --> 00:35:09,150
Thank you for having me This is wonderful.

523
00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:10,039
All right.

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00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,890
Take care coming up next.

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We'll be chatting with Jose Rodriguez
Assistant Vice Presidents of Community

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00:35:17,075 --> 00:35:18,785
and Belonging at College Unbound.

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Here's a quick preview.

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Just because I mispronounce a word, it
isn't because I don't know the meaning

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00:35:25,745 --> 00:35:29,684
of the word, or I don't know how to
say the word, but for anyone who speaks

530
00:35:29,685 --> 00:35:35,365
multiple languages, sometimes it, that
the words just get mixed up and, you

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know, lost in translation as they say.