1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,220 Today we're listening to a monument to perfect. 2 00:00:11,420 --> 00:00:15,120 The most pristine engineering, some of the greatest studio 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,980 musicians to ever live, asked to play take 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,460 after take after grueling take until they got it absolutely 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,280 perfect, and even then, sometimes it wasn't perfect 6 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:30,360 enough. So much so, that the engineer of this album had to invent a 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,100 machine to play it the way 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,520 that the band wanted it. After all was said and done, we got a 9 00:00:37,580 --> 00:00:40,780 masterpiece, we really did, but it came at a cost. 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,240 We didn't get another Steely Dan album for another 20 years. 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,180 Today, we're listening to 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,700 Gaucho. 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,640 I'm Adam Maness. 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,500 And I'm Peter Martin. 15 00:00:57,510 --> 00:00:59,140 And you're listening to the You'll Hear It podcast. 16 00:00:59,180 --> 00:01:00,300 Music, explored. 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,030 Explored, brought to you today by Open Studio. 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,820 Go to openstudiojazz.com for all your jazz listen needs. 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,000 Peter, I just went through the full extent of my vocal range for that intro. 20 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:09,130 I thought you- 21 00:01:09,140 --> 00:01:09,310 La, 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:11,040 la, la, la, la, la, la, little warm up? 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:11,560 Appreciate it! 24 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:14,600 Yes. Well, I've got something special for you today. Are you ready? 25 00:01:14,620 --> 00:01:15,500 Uh, r- for me? 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:16,980 Yeah, we're, we're jumping right in, my friend. 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,860 Okay, what do you got? 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,170 Adam, let me take you to a magnificent and 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,120 mythical place. 30 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:25,620 Mm-hmm. 31 00:01:25,660 --> 00:01:29,540 A place where the highway finally ends, a place where the sun melts 32 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,740 into the Pacific. 33 00:01:30,750 --> 00:01:31,200 Hmm. 34 00:01:31,220 --> 00:01:33,340 A little place called Southern Cali. 35 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:33,800 Mm. 36 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,380 The San Gabriel Mountains in the distance, the San Fernando Valley 37 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,380 sprawling out below. Palm trees- 38 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:39,800 I can see it 39 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:43,700 ... against the golden haze. The Sunset Strip, Hollywood, those hot 40 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,640 Santa Ana winds blowing in from the desert, the whole city shimmering 41 00:01:48,380 --> 00:01:51,300 like a promise it may or may not keep. It's 1980. 42 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:51,410 Yeah. 43 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:55,360 It's late. We'll hit up one of those off-brand LA car rental spots. 44 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,640 You know, the kind, they only take debit cards, 'cause that's all we've got, but 45 00:01:58,700 --> 00:02:01,850 we've got taste. We'll bring a little Kirschwasser, and 46 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,300 then... 47 00:02:03,380 --> 00:02:06,560 Drive west on Sunset to the 48 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,460 sea. 49 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,760 Turn that jungle music down- 50 00:02:11,780 --> 00:02:12,540 Well done 51 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:15,140 ... just until we're out of 52 00:02:15,220 --> 00:02:19,120 town. 53 00:02:19,260 --> 00:02:23,240 This is no one-night stand, 54 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:25,660 it's a real occasion. 55 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:30,400 Close your eyes and you'll be there, it's 56 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,040 everything they say. 57 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,020 Hmm. 58 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:37,800 The end of a perfect day, 59 00:02:37,860 --> 00:02:40,950 distant lights from across the bay. 60 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,760 Babylon sisters, shake 61 00:02:44,820 --> 00:02:47,100 it! 62 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,480 Babylon sisters, shake 63 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:54,420 it. 64 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,840 So fine, so young. 65 00:03:00,060 --> 00:03:02,920 Tell me I'm the only 66 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,900 one. 67 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:09,870 Oh! 68 00:03:10,660 --> 00:03:16,660 Here 69 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:19,260 come those Santa Ana winds 70 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:22,460 again. 71 00:03:29,620 --> 00:03:31,320 Shimmering, shimmering, the 72 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:33,940 valley. 73 00:03:33,980 --> 00:03:36,160 We'll jog with the showboats- 74 00:03:36,170 --> 00:03:37,650 Okay, so what are we listening to today? 75 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,440 What are you doing? What are you doing? 76 00:03:39,450 --> 00:03:40,380 We've got a whole album to get through! 77 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,140 Why are we stopping? 78 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Oh, okay, we listen- okay. 79 00:03:42,260 --> 00:03:43,060 Oh, my God. 80 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:43,200 This is fun. 81 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:43,570 Peter, stop. 82 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:45,500 Is this a podcast or a listening party? 83 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:47,720 Guys, stop that. 84 00:03:49,740 --> 00:03:53,600 Well, I should know by now 85 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:57,690 that it's just a spasm. Like 86 00:03:57,690 --> 00:04:01,300 a Sunday in TJ, that it's cheap 87 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,660 but it's not free. 88 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:04,150 Oh, that's changed. 89 00:04:04,220 --> 00:04:05,980 That I'm not what I... 90 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:06,130 Ooh! 91 00:04:06,130 --> 00:04:09,640 ... used to be, and that love's not a 92 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:12,440 game for three. Babylon 93 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,940 sisters, shake 94 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,320 it! 95 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,740 Babylon sisters, shake 96 00:04:22,780 --> 00:04:24,820 it. 97 00:04:26,780 --> 00:04:30,660 So fine, so young. Tell 98 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:33,160 me I'm the only 99 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:34,940 one. 100 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:37,920 Good eye, birdie. 101 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:41,330 Oh. 102 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:43,130 Ah. 103 00:04:43,130 --> 00:04:44,960 Ah, Peter! 104 00:04:44,980 --> 00:04:47,760 Well, I... No, I was just gonna s- just step in and let folks know what we're 105 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,850 listening to today. I think everybody knows. 106 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:50,010 They are- 107 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:50,960 This is Gaucho. 108 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:51,210 Yeah, yeah. 109 00:04:51,220 --> 00:04:52,340 We jumped right in, man. 110 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,240 No, they know, they know, they know. 111 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:54,170 We got plenty more to listen to. 112 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,700 Dude, the bar has been raised with that intro. 113 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,280 It's so good. 114 00:04:58,340 --> 00:04:58,520 Yeah. 115 00:04:58,580 --> 00:05:00,330 Is there... By the way, so okay, so 116 00:05:01,420 --> 00:05:02,520 an incredible opening track. 117 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:02,790 Yeah. 118 00:05:02,790 --> 00:05:05,820 "Babylon Sisters," uh, from 1980's Gaucho. 119 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:06,360 Yeah. 120 00:05:06,380 --> 00:05:10,300 So of course, Steely Dan's Gaucho, uh, released November 21st, 1980, recorded in 121 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,280 two years, over two years, 1978 to 1980, in New 122 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,160 York City and LA. It's on the MCA record label. 123 00:05:17,180 --> 00:05:19,280 Almost entirely in New York City, by the way. 124 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:19,370 Almost- 125 00:05:19,370 --> 00:05:21,120 Which is ironic, 'cause it's the most, uh, it's like- 126 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:21,170 I mean- 127 00:05:21,170 --> 00:05:22,550 ... the ultimate LA, Southern California 128 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,660 ... that feels like being in Southern California, that whole song. 129 00:05:24,740 --> 00:05:25,550 All this was recorded in New York. 130 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,900 It won the Grammy for Best Engineered Recording. 131 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,160 Yeah. 132 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,160 It lost Album of the Year to Double Fan- Double Fantasy, John Lennon's Double 133 00:05:31,220 --> 00:05:31,620 Fantasy. 134 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:31,940 Yeah. 135 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,500 Uh, of course, yeah, Steely Dan, at the, at the moment that this was made, really 136 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,940 was just a two-member band. 137 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:36,950 Yeah. 138 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,469 By that point, it had been building down. 139 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,350 It wasn't a band, even. Would you call it a band? 140 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,510 It was... It's a band, yeah, it's a band. 141 00:05:40,510 --> 00:05:41,700 It's a musical organization. 142 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,400 It's, but it's, it's Donald Fagen and Walter Becker- 143 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:44,660 Yep 144 00:05:44,670 --> 00:05:47,820 ... and then a bunch of, uh, like, a smattering 145 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,150 of, uh, uh, why don't... A gaggle? 146 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:50,150 A gaggle. 147 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,780 I don't know what the, the collection of, of professional studio 148 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:57,010 musicians, what that, what that, uh, pronoun would be called, but- 149 00:05:57,020 --> 00:05:58,480 Well, I think it's just the A-team, right? 150 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:58,920 It's like- 151 00:05:58,930 --> 00:05:59,400 It's the A-team. 152 00:05:59,440 --> 00:05:59,720 Yeah. 153 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:00,040 Yeah. 154 00:06:00,050 --> 00:06:00,620 And there's so many- 155 00:06:00,630 --> 00:06:04,216 Maybe it's, uh, like, a-... yeah, a recording of musicians? 156 00:06:04,296 --> 00:06:05,286 Right. It was, it was the top- 157 00:06:05,296 --> 00:06:05,936 You know how it's like, it's like- 158 00:06:05,976 --> 00:06:06,376 The top tier 159 00:06:06,496 --> 00:06:07,536 ... a gaggle of geese. 160 00:06:07,556 --> 00:06:07,996 A gaggle of geese. 161 00:06:08,016 --> 00:06:09,236 You know, I mean, a pride of lions. 162 00:06:09,246 --> 00:06:09,246 Right. 163 00:06:09,256 --> 00:06:11,376 It would be like the, I don't know, the- 164 00:06:11,396 --> 00:06:12,376 A muse of musicians. 165 00:06:12,656 --> 00:06:14,096 The, the first call of musicians. 166 00:06:14,136 --> 00:06:14,286 Yeah. 167 00:06:14,316 --> 00:06:14,496 Right? 168 00:06:14,536 --> 00:06:15,046 Yeah, yeah. 169 00:06:15,136 --> 00:06:15,466 Um, but- 170 00:06:15,516 --> 00:06:18,026 And there was a little bit of competition then, and, I mean, there still is. 171 00:06:18,276 --> 00:06:19,796 It, the, the recording scene is different, though. 172 00:06:19,836 --> 00:06:23,696 New York City versus LA, East Coast versus West Coast studio 173 00:06:23,756 --> 00:06:26,686 musician, who are the best? And look, some of these, Steve Gadd obviously was... 174 00:06:26,696 --> 00:06:28,816 Well, all of them recorded on both coasts. 175 00:06:28,836 --> 00:06:32,416 But I mean, there was some stuff about, like, are these, are the New York City 176 00:06:32,476 --> 00:06:35,635 musicians up to the level from their previous records from Aja, from the stuff 177 00:06:35,956 --> 00:06:39,135 they'd been doing when they were based out of Southern California? 178 00:06:39,196 --> 00:06:39,516 Yeah. 179 00:06:39,596 --> 00:06:42,616 I think it's fantastic. I'm a- I'm, uh, very surprised that there was a little bit 180 00:06:42,635 --> 00:06:46,456 of Steely Dan talk of, like, they felt like they had to push harder to get the kind 181 00:06:46,476 --> 00:06:46,486 of- 182 00:06:46,496 --> 00:06:46,616 Well 183 00:06:46,656 --> 00:06:47,696 ... perfection they were going for. 184 00:06:47,736 --> 00:06:51,376 We can talk more about that later, but it seems like no matter who was doing what, 185 00:06:51,396 --> 00:06:52,836 it wasn't, wasn't good enough- 186 00:06:52,896 --> 00:06:53,135 Right 187 00:06:53,146 --> 00:06:55,756 ... for Donald Fagen at this point, making this album. 188 00:06:55,796 --> 00:06:59,406 You know, they, they really pushed the envelope of, 189 00:06:59,456 --> 00:07:01,416 like, really shooting for perfection. 190 00:07:01,456 --> 00:07:05,096 This album was produced by Gary Katz and engineered by Roger Nichols, 191 00:07:05,196 --> 00:07:08,216 um, an incredible feat of engineering. 192 00:07:08,256 --> 00:07:08,656 Yeah. 193 00:07:08,666 --> 00:07:12,635 I think that's... If that's not the best-sounding Rhodes sound in the 194 00:07:12,676 --> 00:07:14,686 history of recorded music, I don't know what it is. 195 00:07:14,716 --> 00:07:17,686 It's incredible. Shout-out Don Grolnick, the, the, the legendary... 196 00:07:17,716 --> 00:07:20,856 I mean, it's so great. Let's just listen a little bit, just at the beginning again, 197 00:07:20,876 --> 00:07:23,876 so we can focus on that. Because I do think, we talk about how do these records 198 00:07:23,976 --> 00:07:27,656 start, these classic records, these, these records that we love so much, 199 00:07:27,756 --> 00:07:30,596 and I think the first statement matters so much. 200 00:07:30,606 --> 00:07:30,606 For sure. 201 00:07:30,606 --> 00:07:33,196 And this may be one of the 202 00:07:33,336 --> 00:07:37,016 strongest... It's interesting, 'cause I don't even think this is gonna show up as 203 00:07:37,076 --> 00:07:39,406 either of our favorite Steely Dan records of all time. 204 00:07:39,476 --> 00:07:41,516 Ooh, I just dropped that bomb. There you go. 205 00:07:41,556 --> 00:07:45,356 But, like, this may be the best start to any record 206 00:07:45,416 --> 00:07:47,696 from this period, and is right up there. 207 00:07:47,736 --> 00:07:50,536 I mean, just for how, how, how you walk into the room. 208 00:07:50,556 --> 00:07:52,506 You know how somebody walks in the room, sometimes after you get to know them, 209 00:07:52,536 --> 00:07:55,506 you're like, "Ah, not quite on the level of the walk-in," but the walk-in is 210 00:07:55,536 --> 00:07:56,436 something, right? 211 00:07:56,476 --> 00:07:56,646 Agree. 212 00:07:56,656 --> 00:07:57,376 You look nervous. 213 00:07:57,436 --> 00:07:57,716 Well- 214 00:07:57,756 --> 00:07:58,316 Don't be. 215 00:08:00,076 --> 00:08:01,496 First of all, Purdie. 216 00:08:01,516 --> 00:08:02,026 Purdie, I mean- 217 00:08:02,056 --> 00:08:02,816 And Chuck Rainey. 218 00:08:02,826 --> 00:08:02,826 Right. 219 00:08:02,836 --> 00:08:05,456 I mean, do you like your rhythm sections in pairs? 220 00:08:05,496 --> 00:08:05,836 Because- 221 00:08:05,856 --> 00:08:07,116 Indeed I do. Indeed I do, yeah. 222 00:08:07,135 --> 00:08:10,135 And Don Grolnick, the sound, as you said. 223 00:08:10,776 --> 00:08:14,276 The phase on it perfectly. 224 00:08:15,515 --> 00:08:16,556 Oh! 225 00:08:17,536 --> 00:08:18,696 It's... 226 00:08:18,816 --> 00:08:19,796 Perfect Rhodes sound. 227 00:08:19,816 --> 00:08:20,015 Perfect- 228 00:08:20,256 --> 00:08:21,596 Honestly, perfect everything sound- 229 00:08:21,606 --> 00:08:21,606 Yeah 230 00:08:21,606 --> 00:08:21,756 ... isn't 231 00:08:21,796 --> 00:08:25,635 it? 232 00:08:28,196 --> 00:08:31,145 So okay, I agree. It's an incredible way... 233 00:08:31,276 --> 00:08:33,765 I, I mean, nothing's the best in art, right? 234 00:08:33,797 --> 00:08:36,756 We can't really put them up against each other, but do you like this better than 235 00:08:36,776 --> 00:08:39,876 Black Cow, starting Aja? I think it's right there. I think this is S tier. 236 00:08:39,937 --> 00:08:40,616 I think this is, like- 237 00:08:40,635 --> 00:08:40,706 I agree. Agree 238 00:08:40,716 --> 00:08:43,846 ... for starting out the record, like... And I think that's something where... 239 00:08:43,876 --> 00:08:47,316 And, and, you know, we're gonna probably talk about the ups and, you know, the pros 240 00:08:47,336 --> 00:08:51,245 and cons of Steely Dan, I mean, of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen's 241 00:08:51,276 --> 00:08:54,496 obsession with perfection and detail-oriented. 242 00:08:54,506 --> 00:08:58,376 I think that these kind of things, how the, how the tracks start, how the 243 00:08:58,436 --> 00:09:02,376 fade-outs, the precision of that, as listeners, year after year, 244 00:09:02,415 --> 00:09:05,076 we're very much rewarded by their pursuit of perfection. 245 00:09:05,096 --> 00:09:05,245 100%. 246 00:09:05,276 --> 00:09:08,576 In some other areas, maybe with so- a, a little bit of an antiseptic 247 00:09:09,056 --> 00:09:12,816 nature added by drum program and things like that, we could say maybe they 248 00:09:13,036 --> 00:09:16,706 went overboard with some of that. You could debate that, but I think in terms of, 249 00:09:16,736 --> 00:09:17,016 like- 250 00:09:17,236 --> 00:09:20,175 It, it's an interesting conversation, Peter, because it's kind of like what makes 251 00:09:20,216 --> 00:09:22,846 it so strong can also be, like, on the flip side. 252 00:09:22,876 --> 00:09:24,476 You know, sometimes it really works- 253 00:09:24,496 --> 00:09:24,506 Yeah 254 00:09:24,506 --> 00:09:25,786 ... and sometimes it's like, "Ah." 255 00:09:25,816 --> 00:09:26,116 Right. 256 00:09:26,126 --> 00:09:27,846 "I need a little more dirt on this somehow," you know what I mean? 257 00:09:27,856 --> 00:09:29,506 But I mean, in terms of, like, this is... 258 00:09:29,516 --> 00:09:32,906 There, there, there's no Wendel, there's no, um, drum... 259 00:09:32,915 --> 00:09:34,925 We, we'll, we'll talk about who Wendel is, uh, later on. 260 00:09:34,936 --> 00:09:36,316 Who's Wendel? Is Wendel like the- 261 00:09:36,336 --> 00:09:36,346 Wendel 262 00:09:36,346 --> 00:09:37,216 ... the guy that washes- 263 00:09:37,236 --> 00:09:37,556 Wendel 264 00:09:37,566 --> 00:09:38,866 ... washes the inside windows? Who's Wendel? 265 00:09:38,956 --> 00:09:40,606 Stick around to learn about Wendel. 266 00:09:40,675 --> 00:09:44,326 Um, no, but I mean, this is Bernard Purdie, and we're, we're gonna hear him kind of 267 00:09:44,336 --> 00:09:45,986 breaking this groove down. This is the- 268 00:09:45,986 --> 00:09:46,536 That's the Purdie Shuffle. 269 00:09:46,556 --> 00:09:50,006 It's the Purdie Shuffle. This is, like, one of the most iconic grooves of all time. 270 00:09:50,016 --> 00:09:51,165 But, uh, this is the thing, though. 271 00:09:51,216 --> 00:09:54,536 You could just have Purdie and Rainey come in and start grooving over a blues- 272 00:09:54,556 --> 00:09:54,816 Yeah 273 00:09:54,826 --> 00:09:57,216 ... or just grooving over this, and it's gonna be fantastic. 274 00:09:57,276 --> 00:10:01,196 I think what the Steely Dan touches for this intro, and D- Don Grolnick 275 00:10:01,236 --> 00:10:04,175 just play some cool bluesy stuff on the Rhodes, all that can 276 00:10:04,256 --> 00:10:07,456 happen. There's a level of, like, 277 00:10:07,536 --> 00:10:11,336 sophistication and jazz weirdness to the harmony of this tune. 278 00:10:11,376 --> 00:10:12,046 100%. 279 00:10:12,136 --> 00:10:12,305 So, like- 280 00:10:12,305 --> 00:10:13,296 100 million percent. 281 00:10:13,456 --> 00:10:16,346 I think what the... What, I don't know if they intended to do this, but it's like, 282 00:10:16,356 --> 00:10:20,055 we're gonna have everything perfectly placed, because the harmony is so weird, 283 00:10:20,076 --> 00:10:24,046 especially on this long 45-second intro, that, like, that's 284 00:10:24,055 --> 00:10:26,696 gonna do all the heavy lifting of, like, whoo! Right? 285 00:10:26,736 --> 00:10:26,996 Yeah. 286 00:10:27,036 --> 00:10:30,596 And so everything else has to be so studio perfect, you 287 00:10:30,636 --> 00:10:34,096 know? And, uh, I think it works. I think it works great and holds up. 288 00:10:34,136 --> 00:10:37,425 Like, every time I hear this, I'm like, "Yes, let's drive west on Sunset." 289 00:10:37,456 --> 00:10:40,196 So, you know, just a couple weeks ago, we talked about Carole King's Tapestry, and 290 00:10:40,236 --> 00:10:43,796 how Carole King would do two different keys, like one key in the verse- 291 00:10:43,806 --> 00:10:43,806 Yeah 292 00:10:43,806 --> 00:10:46,636 ... and then she'd go up a perfect fourth to the key in the 293 00:10:46,675 --> 00:10:50,636 chorus. Steely Dan, which is, like, a, a, a common way to use two 294 00:10:50,675 --> 00:10:51,016 keys- 295 00:10:51,056 --> 00:10:51,276 Yeah 296 00:10:51,286 --> 00:10:54,336 ... in a way that is very logical and isn't jarring to our ear. 297 00:10:54,435 --> 00:10:57,856 Steely Dan is using, on this song, two keys kind of 298 00:10:57,915 --> 00:10:59,944 simultaneously and interchangeably. 299 00:10:59,956 --> 00:11:00,185 Yeah. 300 00:11:00,185 --> 00:11:01,546 Like B-flat major and B-flat minor. 301 00:11:01,556 --> 00:11:04,076 It starts off in D-flat major, which is also B-flat minor. 302 00:11:04,096 --> 00:11:04,106 Yeah. 303 00:11:04,116 --> 00:11:06,316 But it just goes between these two modes. 304 00:11:06,336 --> 00:11:08,776 It's modal interchange is the technical musical term. 305 00:11:08,816 --> 00:11:12,496 But what you're hearing here, uh, why it sounds so, like, jazzy and jarring- 306 00:11:12,816 --> 00:11:12,826 Yeah 307 00:11:12,826 --> 00:11:15,935 ... is 'cause they're just going between these two keys. 308 00:11:15,976 --> 00:11:19,736 It's not random, but damn if it's not just like, "What? 309 00:11:19,796 --> 00:11:21,716 What?" Like, it, it is jarring. 310 00:11:21,776 --> 00:11:22,435 Yeah. 311 00:11:22,456 --> 00:11:26,396 And it's... For such a smooth album, that sounds like a weird adjective for it 312 00:11:26,415 --> 00:11:26,685 to say- 313 00:11:26,736 --> 00:11:26,766 Right, right 314 00:11:26,766 --> 00:11:29,116 ... it's jarring, but harmonically, it's jarring. 315 00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:32,776 Melodically, however, is where I think their genius comes in, 316 00:11:32,816 --> 00:11:36,096 because they always do this. We talked about this in the Aja episode. 317 00:11:36,136 --> 00:11:40,016 Like, the chorus to Black Cow is in sort of one key, as they're 318 00:11:40,076 --> 00:11:42,175 going outside of the key all around, all around it. 319 00:11:42,216 --> 00:11:42,396 Yeah. 320 00:11:42,435 --> 00:11:45,915 So they do this thing where they put the melody in a very listenable 321 00:11:46,016 --> 00:11:46,536 place- 322 00:11:46,576 --> 00:11:46,776 Mm 323 00:11:46,856 --> 00:11:48,796 ... and they make it very easy to sing- 324 00:11:48,856 --> 00:11:49,016 Right 325 00:11:49,056 --> 00:11:52,096 ... for anybody walking down the street. You can whistle this melody. 326 00:11:52,136 --> 00:11:52,236 Yeah. 327 00:11:52,256 --> 00:11:54,746 But all the harmony around it is weird as hell. 328 00:11:54,776 --> 00:11:55,165 Yeah. 329 00:11:55,196 --> 00:11:58,516 And it- that's what makes Steely Dan to me, is, like, the way they color their 330 00:11:58,616 --> 00:11:59,246 melodies with- 331 00:11:59,296 --> 00:11:59,306 Yeah 332 00:11:59,306 --> 00:12:02,736 ... context of the harmony of the chords that they put there, that's what makes 333 00:12:02,756 --> 00:12:06,196 them so interesting, and nobody can match them at that. They are so good at that. 334 00:12:06,276 --> 00:12:08,236 Maybe, like, Take 6, you know what I mean? 335 00:12:08,246 --> 00:12:08,246 Mm. 336 00:12:08,256 --> 00:12:09,675 Like, but they're on that level. 337 00:12:09,736 --> 00:12:12,756 Right, right. Yeah, and I mean, you talk about-... 338 00:12:12,786 --> 00:12:16,646 so the jazz harmony, like, that's what keeps this- 339 00:12:16,686 --> 00:12:19,326 like, if you went with more stan- first of all, it starts in G flat at the 340 00:12:19,366 --> 00:12:21,046 beginning of this, with these open fifths, right? 341 00:12:21,066 --> 00:12:21,436 Right, right, right. 342 00:12:21,466 --> 00:12:24,706 With this, which is a weird thing already, to start out a record. 343 00:12:24,786 --> 00:12:28,586 So, and then as the harmony moves, it moves in very unconventional ways. 344 00:12:29,326 --> 00:12:32,056 The thing about it is, you've got a very... 345 00:12:32,066 --> 00:12:35,666 I mean, look, I'm gonna say it: you've got a yacht rock sensibility to this. 346 00:12:35,706 --> 00:12:36,346 How dare you? 347 00:12:36,386 --> 00:12:37,256 Well, I mean, it is! 348 00:12:37,366 --> 00:12:37,376 How dare you, Peter? 349 00:12:37,386 --> 00:12:39,616 No, this is... I mean, I'm not saying this is a yacht rock - 350 00:12:39,616 --> 00:12:42,706 After what we know about how Donald hates that term. 351 00:12:42,746 --> 00:12:45,586 But listen to... I mean, I'm just saying, it, it's got that kinda- that 352 00:12:45,666 --> 00:12:48,955 connotation, that feel to it. Almost like a smooth jazz. 353 00:12:48,986 --> 00:12:50,066 I mean, it's prototypical. 354 00:12:50,126 --> 00:12:50,536 Yes. 355 00:12:50,546 --> 00:12:51,126 Yeah, for sure. 356 00:12:51,166 --> 00:12:54,846 So, but what pulls it away from that to be like, "I'm just gonna 357 00:12:54,906 --> 00:12:57,586 sail away on my yacht, and there's, like, nothing- 358 00:12:57,606 --> 00:12:58,636 ♪ Sailing ♪ 359 00:12:58,666 --> 00:13:00,356 Well, okay, yeah, there, exactly. 360 00:13:00,366 --> 00:13:04,326 Well, I love that track, but I'm just saying, there's nothing interrupting 361 00:13:04,426 --> 00:13:07,116 your sail on that. This has some stuff that's like... 362 00:13:07,126 --> 00:13:07,915 I mean, we're not even talking about the... 363 00:13:07,946 --> 00:13:09,226 Once, once the lyrics come in- 364 00:13:09,346 --> 00:13:09,536 100%, 100%. 365 00:13:09,546 --> 00:13:10,986 The lyrics is the big interrupter. 366 00:13:11,056 --> 00:13:14,016 I don't even know if we're gonna get to the lyrics on this episode, Peter, 'cause 367 00:13:14,046 --> 00:13:15,896 the lyrics are so crazy- 368 00:13:15,906 --> 00:13:16,176 Yeah 369 00:13:16,176 --> 00:13:16,716 ... throughout this whole album. 370 00:13:16,726 --> 00:13:19,936 But could you imagine if you had all those crazy lyrics, wh- wh- which they have, 371 00:13:19,966 --> 00:13:23,656 plus this crazy harmony, and you didn't have super smooth grooves and, and 372 00:13:23,746 --> 00:13:26,526 precision within that? It would be a little bit of a hot mess, I would say. 373 00:13:26,566 --> 00:13:29,706 I mean, honestly, when you... Yeah. Oh, it's Chris- ... it's amazing. 374 00:13:29,836 --> 00:13:32,226 If you were... Yeah, if this was, like, done by a singer-songwriter, you'd be like, 375 00:13:32,246 --> 00:13:34,296 "This guy is partying too much." 376 00:13:34,346 --> 00:13:34,606 Right. 377 00:13:34,646 --> 00:13:36,066 You know what I mean? With the lyrics out there. 378 00:13:36,106 --> 00:13:36,746 Yeah. 379 00:13:36,766 --> 00:13:36,836 But- 380 00:13:36,836 --> 00:13:40,286 But, I mean, if you hear... So, and we're just gonna go back to the groove, too. 381 00:13:41,526 --> 00:13:41,946 Because 382 00:13:43,366 --> 00:13:47,306 Chuck Rainey and Bernard Purdie, like, this is as smoothed 383 00:13:47,426 --> 00:13:50,826 out as you can make them. The groove is still there, but this is like 384 00:13:50,866 --> 00:13:53,906 handcuffs on 'em, and like, you know... 385 00:13:53,946 --> 00:13:54,706 Obviously, it's still 386 00:13:56,306 --> 00:13:57,946 Oh, man, that's so good. 387 00:13:59,166 --> 00:14:02,416 And Don Grolnick, same thing. Like, this is... 388 00:14:02,446 --> 00:14:04,746 When I say handcuffs, there's constraints put, put on them- 389 00:14:05,106 --> 00:14:05,316 Oh, yeah 390 00:14:05,366 --> 00:14:07,556 ... in, in terms of... And then even, like, how it's mixed and stuff like that. 391 00:14:07,566 --> 00:14:08,786 I mean, it's so precise. 392 00:14:08,846 --> 00:14:09,076 Yeah. 393 00:14:09,086 --> 00:14:09,136 The- 394 00:14:09,266 --> 00:14:12,966 Check this out. This is Purdie only. 395 00:14:13,806 --> 00:14:14,126 Ah! 396 00:14:14,546 --> 00:14:14,876 Classic. 397 00:14:14,876 --> 00:14:15,556 Listen to that bass drum. 398 00:14:16,926 --> 00:14:20,566 And look, his sound is changed on this record by the, uh, by 399 00:14:20,646 --> 00:14:24,426 the, by the production, right? This is not exactly how he sounds when he's 400 00:14:24,486 --> 00:14:26,886 just playing. I mean, yes, this is what he's playing. 401 00:14:27,266 --> 00:14:27,586 Oh, 402 00:14:28,546 --> 00:14:32,246 the placement of it and everything, like, the depth, the immediacy of some of the 403 00:14:32,426 --> 00:14:35,586 instrument, and then the depth of, like, that crash cymbal sound or 404 00:14:35,626 --> 00:14:37,506 whatever. 405 00:14:38,506 --> 00:14:39,026 Um- 406 00:14:39,066 --> 00:14:39,686 Amazing. 407 00:14:39,746 --> 00:14:43,526 Yeah, and, and while we're on Purdie, because I think he ma- you know, he, he 408 00:14:43,566 --> 00:14:45,046 just, he makes this track, obviously. 409 00:14:45,086 --> 00:14:46,846 But, but, um, this is- 410 00:14:46,906 --> 00:14:48,546 And this tune, particularly- 411 00:14:48,556 --> 00:14:49,296 ... Fagen or Becker talking 412 00:14:49,296 --> 00:14:51,026 ... real driving kinda. 413 00:14:51,066 --> 00:14:55,046 Talking about Purdie on this. You've got the backbeat- And 414 00:14:55,066 --> 00:14:57,566 that's Bernard Purdie. You've got double time. 415 00:14:59,486 --> 00:15:00,866 And you have it almost 416 00:15:01,786 --> 00:15:02,276 shuffle. 417 00:15:02,326 --> 00:15:11,226 Bernard, 418 00:15:11,286 --> 00:15:12,836 you know, is, you know... 419 00:15:12,906 --> 00:15:12,966 Yeah. 420 00:15:12,976 --> 00:15:16,786 Well, this famous story where, where he, you know, he would come to a session, 421 00:15:16,906 --> 00:15:20,646 uh, at, you know, in the, in the early '60s, and he'd have two 422 00:15:20,726 --> 00:15:23,636 signs with him, and then he'd set up these signs, where on one side of the drums- 423 00:15:23,646 --> 00:15:24,136 This is Fagen 424 00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:27,655 ... it'd say, "You done it." And then the sign on the other side would say, 425 00:15:28,226 --> 00:15:31,655 "You done hired the hit maker, Bernard 'Pretty' Purdie." 426 00:15:31,706 --> 00:15:32,016 Amazing. 427 00:15:32,026 --> 00:15:34,466 So it's that kind of confidence that you need, you know- 428 00:15:34,506 --> 00:15:34,706 Yeah 429 00:15:34,966 --> 00:15:36,046 ... to get a good, uh- 430 00:15:36,056 --> 00:15:36,095 Amazing 431 00:15:36,106 --> 00:15:36,136 ... on the session. 432 00:15:36,146 --> 00:15:39,636 But it's like you hear the way Purdie's playing there, as, as he's demonstrate... 433 00:15:39,646 --> 00:15:41,486 And look what they turned it into. 434 00:15:42,646 --> 00:15:46,286 It's a little sterilized, right? But it's great. 435 00:15:46,326 --> 00:15:48,066 I mean, so it, it starts out more subdued. 436 00:15:48,086 --> 00:15:50,036 He, he lets it loose as the track goes on. 437 00:15:50,036 --> 00:15:51,546 He does, but I'm just saying, like, the sound of it. 438 00:15:51,666 --> 00:15:51,736 Oh, yeah, yeah. 439 00:15:51,736 --> 00:15:54,886 Like, the groove is there and everything, um, and he's fitting in with the 440 00:15:54,896 --> 00:15:56,875 arrangement. I, I mean, I think it's amazing. 441 00:15:56,906 --> 00:15:59,746 Yeah, that Purdie shuffle, where it's just like that... 442 00:15:59,786 --> 00:15:59,996 Yeah. 443 00:16:01,446 --> 00:16:03,066 A lot more of it's implied on this. 444 00:16:03,076 --> 00:16:03,076 Yeah. 445 00:16:03,086 --> 00:16:05,095 When he demos the whole thing, it's like that, right? 446 00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:05,466 It's amazing. 447 00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:06,546 Yeah. 448 00:16:06,556 --> 00:16:07,186 ♪ Boo, dit ♪ 449 00:16:07,206 --> 00:16:11,046 Okay, that's great. We love "Babylon Sisters." Uh, so should we 450 00:16:11,086 --> 00:16:12,986 start... Let's, let's break down the lyrics, my friend. 451 00:16:13,026 --> 00:16:14,106 Why don't you read them first? 452 00:16:14,246 --> 00:16:14,586 Okay. 453 00:16:14,626 --> 00:16:15,806 In the, in the first person. 454 00:16:15,846 --> 00:16:17,816 I like how you're gonna make me read them. 455 00:16:17,946 --> 00:16:19,456 Uh, that was a joke. You don't have to. 456 00:16:19,506 --> 00:16:20,136 Thank you very much. 457 00:16:20,186 --> 00:16:20,336 But you can. 458 00:16:20,336 --> 00:16:21,616 I really don't... Yeah, the, I mean- 459 00:16:21,616 --> 00:16:23,066 I mean, West... I'll do the first one for you. 460 00:16:23,086 --> 00:16:24,426 Listen, all Steely Dan lyrics- 461 00:16:24,486 --> 00:16:24,586 Yeah 462 00:16:24,646 --> 00:16:25,466 ... all Steely Dan lyrics- 463 00:16:25,526 --> 00:16:25,576 Yeah 464 00:16:25,606 --> 00:16:26,786 ... especially, like, 465 00:16:27,606 --> 00:16:30,595 post-Pretzel Logic, I feel like they get a little bit more and 466 00:16:30,686 --> 00:16:32,405 more, um- 467 00:16:32,426 --> 00:16:33,285 Dark? 468 00:16:33,566 --> 00:16:34,276 Yeah, well- 469 00:16:34,285 --> 00:16:34,746 Cynical? 470 00:16:34,766 --> 00:16:36,586 A little bit. Uh, just like- 471 00:16:36,626 --> 00:16:37,906 Drug infused? 472 00:16:37,966 --> 00:16:38,786 Abstract, maybe. 473 00:16:38,806 --> 00:16:38,816 Abstract. 474 00:16:38,826 --> 00:16:42,415 They're not fully abstract, but they're, they're, they're telling a story in, 475 00:16:42,446 --> 00:16:44,126 like... It's definitely 476 00:16:45,306 --> 00:16:47,256 poetry. Like, there's definitely, like... 477 00:16:47,286 --> 00:16:48,976 The word Babylon Sisters, 478 00:16:49,806 --> 00:16:52,206 I don't know exactly what they mean by that. 479 00:16:52,266 --> 00:16:52,546 Right. 480 00:16:52,586 --> 00:16:53,846 What a great phrase, though. 481 00:16:53,886 --> 00:16:53,936 Right. 482 00:16:53,966 --> 00:16:55,286 Babylon Sisters shake it. 483 00:16:55,306 --> 00:16:56,116 Oh, there's so there's so many- 484 00:16:56,116 --> 00:16:57,096 Babylon Sisters shake it. 485 00:16:57,096 --> 00:16:57,946 Hoops McCann. 486 00:16:57,966 --> 00:16:59,386 Hoops McCann. There's so many- 487 00:16:59,406 --> 00:17:00,336 It just sounds cool. 488 00:17:00,366 --> 00:17:01,286 The Cuervo Gold. 489 00:17:01,346 --> 00:17:01,786 Cuervo Gold. 490 00:17:01,806 --> 00:17:03,665 You know what I mean? Like, there's so many, like, phrases- 491 00:17:03,736 --> 00:17:03,736 Yeah 492 00:17:03,736 --> 00:17:07,386 ... turns of phrases on this. Jack with his radar- 493 00:17:07,507 --> 00:17:07,626 Yeah 494 00:17:07,767 --> 00:17:10,165 ... stalking the dead moray eel. 495 00:17:11,306 --> 00:17:14,777 At the eel with his Eur- Eurasian bride. You know what I'm saying? 496 00:17:14,846 --> 00:17:15,206 Right. 497 00:17:15,786 --> 00:17:15,945 But- 498 00:17:15,965 --> 00:17:16,415 What is it? Oh- 499 00:17:16,425 --> 00:17:17,136 That's on Glamour Profession. 500 00:17:17,267 --> 00:17:18,376 Sichuan dumpling, dumpling sex. 501 00:17:18,386 --> 00:17:20,806 By the way, that's a lyric from Glamour Profession, which is the third track, which 502 00:17:20,846 --> 00:17:21,956 is a disco track. 503 00:17:22,007 --> 00:17:23,126 It is a disco track. 504 00:17:23,146 --> 00:17:23,156 Like- 505 00:17:23,165 --> 00:17:23,336 Right 506 00:17:23,987 --> 00:17:27,706 ... I, I, I don't pretend to know enough about lyrics 507 00:17:27,866 --> 00:17:31,206 to be able to decipher some of the Steely Dan stuff, but all I remember is being a 508 00:17:31,326 --> 00:17:34,295 kid- ... and my parents would play, um, they had a... 509 00:17:34,326 --> 00:17:37,336 For a little while, they were rocking Steely Dan Gold, which was like a CD of their 510 00:17:37,336 --> 00:17:37,356 greatest hits. 511 00:17:37,386 --> 00:17:37,906 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 512 00:17:37,926 --> 00:17:41,626 And Babylon Sisters was on there, and I remember when I heard Babylon Sisters as 513 00:17:41,686 --> 00:17:45,626 a, as a seven or eight-year-old child being like, "What is this guy talking 514 00:17:45,686 --> 00:17:45,966 about? 515 00:17:46,026 --> 00:17:46,076 Right. 516 00:17:46,086 --> 00:17:50,006 Who is this man singing? What is he talking about?" I have no reference 517 00:17:50,046 --> 00:17:52,826 for what this means. Probably too young for a person to listen to- 518 00:17:53,186 --> 00:17:53,466 Yeah 519 00:17:53,476 --> 00:17:55,186 ... to Babylon Sisters, but yeah. 520 00:17:55,226 --> 00:17:58,576 Yeah, and I mean, look, some of these lyrics haven't aged great in terms of, like, 521 00:17:58,606 --> 00:18:00,186 what they're, where they're probably leading. 522 00:18:00,206 --> 00:18:01,516 But I think lyrically- 523 00:18:01,706 --> 00:18:01,716 Yeah, I mean- 524 00:18:01,716 --> 00:18:05,076 ... as prose or whatever you wanna call it, I think the connection between the 525 00:18:05,246 --> 00:18:08,896 melody and, um, the lyric, this is 526 00:18:08,906 --> 00:18:11,306 something that Fagen and Becker were, like, really were masters of. 527 00:18:11,366 --> 00:18:14,795 You can do that from almost any, any lyric from the '60s or '70s- ... 528 00:18:14,806 --> 00:18:16,326 from, like, the Rolling Stones or something. You know what I mean? 529 00:18:16,366 --> 00:18:16,446 Like- 530 00:18:16,466 --> 00:18:16,756 Oh, yeah 531 00:18:16,756 --> 00:18:17,746 ... it's, it's not gonna age well. 532 00:18:17,786 --> 00:18:20,295 Yeah, yeah. Um, but this was... I didn't realize... 533 00:18:20,326 --> 00:18:24,270 It was funny, 'cause, like-... looking back, drink Kirschwasser 534 00:18:25,170 --> 00:18:26,150 from a shell. 535 00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:26,330 Yeah. 536 00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:28,030 I thought they were saying, like, Courvoisier. 537 00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:30,210 I knew it was some kind of drink, 'cause you're drinking it from a- 538 00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:30,510 Yeah, yeah, yeah 539 00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:34,270 ... shell, but I didn't realize that Kirschwasser, that's a German, like, 540 00:18:34,350 --> 00:18:37,910 brandy made from cherries. So obviously, they just grabbed that 541 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:40,090 word. I don't think they've ever drank that, or maybe they did. 542 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:41,250 But it's something that sounds- 543 00:18:41,290 --> 00:18:41,520 It sounds like- 544 00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:43,200 ... sort of fancy, but it sounds a little seedy, too, right? 545 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,830 It sounds like something you would get at, like, a really dark bar in 546 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:49,430 LA with the red leather booths. You know what I mean? 547 00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:49,740 Right, right. 548 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:52,070 And it's kinda, kinda tiki vibes, kind of, you know what I'm saying? 549 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:54,030 Right, right, right. Kirschwasser. 550 00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:56,290 By the way, after this pod, you wanna go get some Kirschwasser? 551 00:18:56,370 --> 00:18:57,069 Hell, no. 552 00:18:57,270 --> 00:19:00,950 Hells, no. Um, okay, so cool. So this is a cool track. 553 00:19:00,970 --> 00:19:02,770 Did we cover everything we need to on here? 554 00:19:02,830 --> 00:19:03,120 I think so. 555 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:03,470 I mean- 556 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:03,480 I think so 557 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,130 ... this is great. 558 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:04,230 Yeah. 559 00:19:04,250 --> 00:19:07,290 So now we're gonna move along. It's interesting, so it's three- what is this? 560 00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:11,099 Three tracks on the first side, and four, um, on the 561 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,720 second. I always feel like this is actually three... 562 00:19:12,730 --> 00:19:14,760 This is a short record, especially because it's three- 563 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,239 38 minutes. 564 00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:17,940 Yeah, it's three tracks, and really three tracks on the second side. 565 00:19:17,950 --> 00:19:19,810 The last track is actually from another album. 566 00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:23,190 We'll talk about that a little bit later, but right after this, we're moving right 567 00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:27,070 on to, um, "Hey Nineteen." And this is kind of the only 568 00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:28,980 hit real- or was the biggest hit off of here- 569 00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:29,230 Yeah 570 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:29,670 ... of the singles. 571 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:30,190 I love Hey Nineteen. 572 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:33,510 Um, and it wasn't huge, huge, but I guess it went to number 10 on Billboard, so 573 00:19:33,570 --> 00:19:36,010 that's something. But this is the one probably is most 574 00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:38,230 recognizable. 575 00:19:40,570 --> 00:19:41,730 Another great start, right? 576 00:19:42,990 --> 00:19:46,210 Little guitar pull there. 577 00:19:49,330 --> 00:19:53,230 What's that... For our guitar player friends, like, how are they getting that pop- 578 00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:53,540 I don't know 579 00:19:53,550 --> 00:19:54,510 ... at the very beginning? 580 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:54,580 You know that- 581 00:19:54,580 --> 00:19:55,670 That pull sound? 582 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Yeah. 583 00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:56,510 What are they doing? 584 00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:57,090 I don't know. 585 00:19:57,130 --> 00:19:59,470 I don't, I don't know enough about guitar to be able to 586 00:20:02,130 --> 00:20:02,930 figure that out. 587 00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:04,460 There's a lot of space in this. 588 00:20:04,460 --> 00:20:05,230 I was abandoned in the 589 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:06,720 cafeteria. 590 00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:07,830 Oh, especially near the end. 591 00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:09,690 Yeah. Oh, yeah. 592 00:20:11,170 --> 00:20:11,720 Sweet pe- 593 00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:14,550 Man, the mix on the keys, on the Rhodes on this is so good. 594 00:20:14,590 --> 00:20:17,430 Probably the best ever. 595 00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:23,190 Moved down to Scottsdale. Where the hell 596 00:20:23,290 --> 00:20:24,170 am I? 597 00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:26,000 So many great chord progressions on this album. 598 00:20:26,010 --> 00:20:29,610 Hey Nineteen. No, we can't 599 00:20:29,689 --> 00:20:33,150 dance together. We can't dance together. 600 00:20:33,170 --> 00:20:37,150 No, we can't talk at all. Please take me along 601 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:38,950 when you slide on down. 602 00:20:38,970 --> 00:20:42,050 And you know, Michael McDonald's on background vocals on some tracks. 603 00:20:42,060 --> 00:20:42,100 Hey Nineteen. 604 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,750 I think I hear him in there. 605 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:43,759 Let's leave the restaurant. 606 00:20:43,770 --> 00:20:47,259 He's not listed on this. I think there's some personnel issues with how this is 607 00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:49,210 written. We're gonna talk about that, too. 608 00:20:49,370 --> 00:20:50,030 She ordered- 609 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:52,130 And this says it's all Fagen on keys on this 610 00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:54,950 ... the Queen of Soul. 611 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:01,110 Hard times befallin' the soul 612 00:21:01,230 --> 00:21:03,950 survivors. 613 00:21:06,150 --> 00:21:09,630 She thinks I'm crazy, but I'm just 614 00:21:09,690 --> 00:21:12,919 growing old. Hey 615 00:21:12,930 --> 00:21:16,670 Nineteen, no, we got 616 00:21:16,750 --> 00:21:18,440 nothing in common. We can't dance together. 617 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,310 This is the most on the nose- 618 00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:20,340 We can't talk at all 619 00:21:20,340 --> 00:21:22,800 ... I think, lyrically, of all the songs on this record. 620 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,540 Please take me along when you slide on down. 621 00:21:25,550 --> 00:21:26,650 This reminds me of being in 622 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:30,290 the High Ridge McDonald's drive-thru with my dad- 623 00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:30,450 Yeah 624 00:21:30,530 --> 00:21:31,850 ... after a Cub Scout meeting. 625 00:21:31,910 --> 00:21:32,800 Oh, n- oh, nice. 626 00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:34,199 With some milkshakes, you know what I mean? 627 00:21:35,290 --> 00:21:37,840 Yeah. It probably had a different angle for you, 'cause you were like, you were 628 00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:38,530 looking at a- 629 00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:39,070 19 630 00:21:39,090 --> 00:21:42,930 ... a 19-year-old, uh, cutie that was serving at the, at the diner, and you were 631 00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:46,570 like, "Hey, Nineteen!" You're coming at it from the other dir- from younger, 632 00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:48,950 right? No, maybe not. I don't know. 633 00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:51,670 Again, I have no idea even now what we're talking about, but- 634 00:21:51,730 --> 00:21:54,570 No, i- don't... But these, these lyrics have always been like, this is the one 635 00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:54,870 where I'm like- 636 00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:55,020 There's a little bit 637 00:21:55,020 --> 00:21:56,120 ... there's not a lot of mystery about it. 638 00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:56,610 There's a lot of- 639 00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:56,759 You know? 640 00:21:56,790 --> 00:21:58,570 Not a lot of mystery, yeah. 641 00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:59,690 Okay, this is our first- 642 00:21:59,750 --> 00:22:01,199 You sure look good. 643 00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:06,259 I mean, this sort of vamping here is... I don't know. 644 00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:08,699 I won't hear any slander on the vamp of "Hey Nineteen" here. 645 00:22:08,730 --> 00:22:11,350 This is fine, but it also comes back for two minutes later later. 646 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:11,400 Hey Nineteen- 647 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:11,890 And we love it 648 00:22:11,910 --> 00:22:13,630 ... skate a little lower. 649 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,190 Skate a little lower. Yeah, you know. 650 00:22:16,210 --> 00:22:16,810 But you know what? 651 00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:20,370 Okay, is this a good time for us to talk about the drummer on this track? 652 00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:23,930 Can we, can we go over to a little bit of the, the tracks individually so we can- 653 00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:24,310 Yeah. 654 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,270 'Cause I... Before we talk about the drummer on this track- 655 00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:26,360 Okay 656 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,630 ... which I do wanna get to, uh, you mentioned sort of the pristine sound of the 657 00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:30,190 Rhodes- 658 00:22:30,270 --> 00:22:30,370 Yeah 659 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:33,150 ... and, and everything. I wonder if you could play a version of this without any 660 00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:36,670 vocals. I wonder if you could get this cued up somehow- 661 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:36,800 Yeah, of course 662 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,479 ... so that we could take the vocals out- 663 00:22:38,479 --> 00:22:38,479 I can do 664 00:22:38,479 --> 00:22:39,020 ... completely? 'Cause- 665 00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:39,770 "Hey Nineteen"? 666 00:22:39,780 --> 00:22:43,390 "Hey Nineteen," 'cause what I wanna hear is, you know, it's not 667 00:22:43,450 --> 00:22:43,830 just- 668 00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:45,350 No vocals. 669 00:22:45,390 --> 00:22:46,490 No vocals. 670 00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:47,220 Just- 671 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:48,930 It's not just the engineering- 672 00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:49,130 Yeah 673 00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:51,970 ... that makes this sound so good. That's certainly, like, a huge part of it, and- 674 00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:52,080 Yeah 675 00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:55,720 ... genius engineers working on these albums, uh, doing a lot of incredible 676 00:22:55,790 --> 00:22:57,870 work for a long time on these albums. 677 00:22:57,990 --> 00:23:01,270 But it's like, I think what probably takes a lot of time for them, too, I don't 678 00:23:01,310 --> 00:23:05,249 know, but I would imagine, is getting the arrangement to the point 679 00:23:05,290 --> 00:23:09,030 where every instrument, if you notice on this track, especially without the 680 00:23:09,070 --> 00:23:12,650 vocals, you'll hear has its own little place 681 00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:15,830 in the song, right? So like, they- 682 00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:15,860 Yeah 683 00:23:15,860 --> 00:23:17,030 ... like you mentioned, the space. 684 00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:17,220 Yeah. 685 00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:19,290 It's that leaving of the space for the- 686 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:19,340 Right 687 00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:22,390 ... bass and drums, and using the Rhodes fairly sparingly- 688 00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:22,480 Yeah 689 00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:25,670 ... right? It's not like they're, they're just playing Rhodes the whole time 690 00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:27,830 through, and Donald Fagen just, like, keeps playing the Rhodes. 691 00:23:27,870 --> 00:23:28,170 Right. 692 00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:30,910 It's such a thick sound, that Rhodes that they have. It's so lush. 693 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:32,750 It's like a big piece of chocolate cake. 694 00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:32,940 Right. 695 00:23:32,970 --> 00:23:34,030 You don't wanna have the whole meal- 696 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:34,040 Just- 697 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:34,820 ... chocolate cake. 698 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:34,840 Right. 699 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,670 You're just gonna get full and feel sick, and it's, it's gonna lose the effect. 700 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:38,970 Yeah. 701 00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:41,990 Right? What they have is just, like, these moments of chocolate cake that come at 702 00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:42,170 you. 703 00:23:42,270 --> 00:23:43,000 Oh, come on, now. 704 00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:43,500 All right, I'm getting hungry. 705 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:43,920 Come on. 706 00:23:43,930 --> 00:23:45,030 Can you play a little bit without the vocals? 707 00:23:45,070 --> 00:23:48,680 Yeah. Oh, wait, we gotta get... Yeah, 708 00:23:48,810 --> 00:23:51,190 sorry. 709 00:23:56,090 --> 00:24:13,290 That's 710 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,330 the greatest Rhodes funk in the history of music. 711 00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:18,470 Amazing. 712 00:24:21,870 --> 00:24:25,040 ... You can hear the different guitar parts were definitely pieced together and, 713 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:26,770 like, placed and taken out and, like- 714 00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:27,200 I mean, but what's- 715 00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:28,540 A lot of intentionality to that. 716 00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:29,950 As precise as this is- 717 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:30,090 Yeah 718 00:24:30,110 --> 00:24:33,670 ... and everybody has their, everything in its, in its right place, spoiler 719 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,670 alert, um, 720 00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:36,550 they're still playing. 721 00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:36,770 Yeah. 722 00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:38,129 They're letting the guitar play. 723 00:24:38,168 --> 00:24:38,280 Right. 724 00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:40,950 Like, the, the guitar is playing musical stuff- 725 00:24:41,010 --> 00:24:41,149 Yeah 726 00:24:41,159 --> 00:24:41,790 ... that's going on. 727 00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:45,670 No, it's a- and, and all the sounds actually, except the drums, which we're gonna 728 00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:49,430 talk about more, um, on this track and a couple of them, but, like, all the 729 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:53,320 sounds are very, like, acoust- I mean, well, electric guitar, whatever, 730 00:24:53,470 --> 00:24:54,540 very organic sounds. 731 00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:55,110 Organic sounds. 732 00:24:55,149 --> 00:24:57,470 The Rhodes is very much... It's not like- 733 00:24:57,550 --> 00:24:58,280 Analog sound. 734 00:24:58,290 --> 00:25:01,210 It's very analog sound. Obviously, it was recorded analog. 735 00:25:01,250 --> 00:25:03,889 But even, like, the different kind, you know, like, the rhythm guitar that comes 736 00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:06,840 in, it's just the manipulation... 737 00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:10,670 Not manipulation, the arranging is about making choices about what's gonna be left 738 00:25:10,690 --> 00:25:12,050 in, what's gonna be taken out, you 739 00:25:12,090 --> 00:25:15,450 know? 740 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:20,330 Man, this sounds like the last half of the tune. 741 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:24,010 That's a... I could listen to this with- I mean, I love the tune, but I could 742 00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:26,870 listen to the whole thing with that. 743 00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:28,240 ... Hey nineteen. No wake up- 744 00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:29,370 Some good backgrounds on this 745 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:33,230 We can't dance together. No, we can't talk at 746 00:25:33,270 --> 00:25:36,830 all. Please take me along when you slide 747 00:25:36,909 --> 00:25:39,050 on down. 748 00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:41,720 Let's get some more, some more of the... 749 00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:44,149 We're gonna talk about Fagen's voice, too. 750 00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:46,770 The Cuervo Gold. 751 00:25:46,889 --> 00:25:48,110 Some great Bee Gees. 752 00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:50,950 The fine Colombian. 753 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:51,649 Mm. 754 00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:55,030 Make tonight a wonderful thing. 755 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,220 Did he say, "With the Cuervo Gold, the fine Colombian?" 756 00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:59,129 Say it again. 757 00:26:00,230 --> 00:26:04,050 The Cuervo Gold, 758 00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:08,090 the fine Colombian. Make 759 00:26:08,170 --> 00:26:11,210 tonight a wonderful thing. 760 00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:11,790 Yeah, this is wonderful. 761 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,590 So this is why, like, Donald Fagen really proves this rule, right, of, like, what, 762 00:26:15,610 --> 00:26:18,230 what it takes, uh, what it takes for, like, a pop 763 00:26:18,909 --> 00:26:22,470 vocal success. You know, there are so many vocalists- 764 00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:22,520 Mm 765 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,250 ... who, like, do musical theater or opera or commercial singing that are 766 00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:26,830 amazing- 767 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:26,840 Yeah 768 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,450 ... that have incredible voices and can sing anything. 769 00:26:29,470 --> 00:26:33,350 But what really works on these, in these contexts as an artist is a 770 00:26:33,370 --> 00:26:37,030 voice that stands out. It's like you think about people like Bob Dylan or David 771 00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:37,800 Bowie or, or- 772 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:37,820 Mm 773 00:26:37,889 --> 00:26:39,100 ... Paul McCartney and John Lennon. 774 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:39,370 Yeah. 775 00:26:39,409 --> 00:26:42,679 They're not, like, the technically most brilliant singers you've ever heard. 776 00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:44,010 Certainly, Donald Fagen is not. 777 00:26:44,030 --> 00:26:44,270 Yeah. 778 00:26:44,290 --> 00:26:47,350 But they have... Donald Fagen has such an interesting voice. 779 00:26:47,389 --> 00:26:47,480 Yeah. 780 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:48,409 Immediately identifiable. 781 00:26:48,429 --> 00:26:48,850 Yes. 782 00:26:48,909 --> 00:26:49,899 Immediately you know who it is. 783 00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:50,530 Distinctive. 784 00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:52,760 Distinctive, and it's cool sounding. 785 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:52,760 Yeah. 786 00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:55,279 Like, he makes phrases sound cool. 787 00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:55,740 Yeah. 788 00:26:55,770 --> 00:26:57,760 Listen to, "Say it again." 789 00:26:57,770 --> 00:27:01,240 I mean, his lyrics and melodies are, like, custom, obviously- 790 00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:01,420 Yeah 791 00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:02,339 ... fit for him. 792 00:27:02,339 --> 00:27:02,389 Yeah. 793 00:27:02,409 --> 00:27:05,190 Do you wanna hear him singing Lush Life? Probably not. 794 00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:07,409 I would wanna hear it. I would wanna hear what he could do with it. 795 00:27:07,429 --> 00:27:08,030 But you know what I mean? 796 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:08,040 Yeah. 797 00:27:08,050 --> 00:27:10,230 Like, it's not, it's not like he's, um, 798 00:27:11,150 --> 00:27:13,320 you know, s- someone who would be on American Idol or something. 799 00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:13,820 No, but he's- 800 00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:13,950 His voice 801 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,030 ... singing the right stuff on here- 802 00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:15,310 Yeah 803 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,170 ... in a way. And a lot of those American Idol, you don't want them covering these 804 00:27:18,190 --> 00:27:18,770 songs. 805 00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:19,730 It, it does become- 806 00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:19,779 It'd be weird 807 00:27:19,779 --> 00:27:20,040 ... I mean, 808 00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:21,710 honestly- 809 00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:22,990 This stuff is hard to sing. 810 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:23,750 It is hard to sing. 811 00:27:23,770 --> 00:27:23,779 Yeah. 812 00:27:23,790 --> 00:27:25,260 But you know what, too? It's like... 813 00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:27,230 And we talked about this when we talked about Aja. 814 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:29,730 Like, as pristine as everything is- 815 00:27:29,790 --> 00:27:29,889 Yeah 816 00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:32,080 ... what's so cool is his voice isn't. 817 00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:33,250 I mean, the sound of it is pristine- 818 00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:33,429 Yeah 819 00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:36,690 ... but his actual, like, vocal quality, he's a good singer, but he's not like 820 00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:37,850 this, like- 821 00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:38,030 No 822 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:40,750 ... unbelievable Sam Cooke level voice- 823 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:40,820 No, no 824 00:27:40,820 --> 00:27:42,490 ... of can sing anything, you know? 825 00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:45,889 And that adds to a, like, adds just enough grit for you, that you're just like, 826 00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:47,230 "Oh, there's some real s**t happening here," you know? 827 00:27:47,270 --> 00:27:50,310 I mean, like, Michael McDonald, who sings, sings some background on here. 828 00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:53,050 He, he, he could... He- I've heard it. 829 00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:55,710 Actually, he's sung, he's sung some of these songs, I believe. 830 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:55,850 Yeah. 831 00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:57,320 I don't know about this. I know some from Aja. 832 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:57,810 I mean, we talked about it. That's, that's- 833 00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:58,450 He can pull that off. 834 00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:59,760 That's Hall of Fame distinguished voice. 835 00:27:59,770 --> 00:28:00,059 Yeah, yeah. 836 00:28:00,070 --> 00:28:02,389 That's, like, two, two notes, and you know who's singing it. 837 00:28:02,429 --> 00:28:05,080 Right. Right, right. Um, cool. Well, do you wanna talk about the drummer here, or 838 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,050 do you wanna come back to that later? 839 00:28:06,170 --> 00:28:06,750 No, let's talk now. 840 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,570 'Cause I can, I can give you some isolation on that, too. 841 00:28:08,629 --> 00:28:10,330 Yeah, so the drums on this, um, 842 00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:15,629 happened because they couldn't get it 843 00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:19,250 to Donald Fagen's liking. They couldn't, even though they had some of the 844 00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:21,230 greatest drummers who ever lived. 845 00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:25,389 Steve Gadd, Bernard Purdie, um, some 846 00:28:25,429 --> 00:28:25,940 other good drummers. 847 00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:26,370 Jeff Porcaro. 848 00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:29,409 Jeff Porcaro, Rick Marotta. 849 00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:30,889 They couldn't get it- 850 00:28:30,929 --> 00:28:31,389 And Wendel 851 00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:33,190 ... groovin' and consistent enough- 852 00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:33,330 Yeah 853 00:28:33,339 --> 00:28:36,300 ... that Donald Fagen thought it was what he wanted. 854 00:28:36,370 --> 00:28:38,990 So he asked the sound engineer 855 00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:41,080 to create- 856 00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:41,629 Roger Nichols 857 00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:42,110 ... Roger Nichols- 858 00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:42,159 Yeah 859 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:45,429 ... to create a machine- ... that could do it. 860 00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:49,060 And Roger Nichols said, "I can do it if you give me $150,000." 861 00:28:49,090 --> 00:28:49,520 Yeah. 862 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:49,520 He- 863 00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:51,708 Well, he said it was gonna cost $150,000 to build it. 864 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,340 Yes, he said, "Yes, all I need is $150,000." 865 00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:54,340 Yeah. 866 00:28:54,370 --> 00:28:58,050 And he did it. He invented, essentially, I think, maybe the world's first 867 00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:59,610 sample drum machine- 868 00:28:59,650 --> 00:28:59,770 Mm 869 00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:01,090 ... where they sampled, 'cause the- 870 00:29:01,110 --> 00:29:02,030 We're not historians. 871 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:04,340 The stipulation was is it... He didn't want it to sound... 872 00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:05,420 There were already drum machines in- 873 00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:05,540 Yeah 874 00:29:05,550 --> 00:29:09,389 ... 1979, but he didn't want it to sound like a drum machine, like an 875 00:29:09,429 --> 00:29:10,780 electronic drum machine. 876 00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:11,940 Right, like a live drum. 877 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:12,929 He wanted it to sound like a real drummer. 878 00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:13,080 Yeah. 879 00:29:13,650 --> 00:29:14,870 And so 880 00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:17,250 Roger Nichols did it. 881 00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:17,429 Yeah. 882 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,389 He invented this machine called Wendel, and Wendel plays on three songs 883 00:29:21,429 --> 00:29:23,470 on this album, and this is the first one. 884 00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:23,750 Yeah. 885 00:29:23,770 --> 00:29:25,610 And the, and the re- this is the impetus of Wendel, this song. 886 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:28,210 Yeah. Now, and we're gonna talk about did they achieve 887 00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:32,170 the human feeling or grooving drummer on 888 00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:34,490 this? 889 00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:38,170 This is Hey Nineteen. Just the 890 00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:38,870 drums, just 891 00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:43,090 Wendel. 892 00:29:47,629 --> 00:29:50,750 Throw a little bass in. 893 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,179 I think I like the Purdie shuffle better. I'm just... 894 00:29:58,230 --> 00:30:02,030 I'm gonna put that out there. But once you start adding 895 00:30:02,110 --> 00:30:02,850 stuff in- 896 00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:04,350 I don't know, man. 897 00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:06,530 And this is the thing, it doesn't sit in isolation, 898 00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:08,610 right? 899 00:30:10,409 --> 00:30:13,610 Like, all these instruments are part of the groove, right? 900 00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:16,000 Move down the street. 901 00:30:16,030 --> 00:30:17,110 Now it sounds- 902 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:19,230 Where the hell am I? 903 00:30:19,290 --> 00:30:21,070 Back to groovin', right? 904 00:30:21,129 --> 00:30:22,379 Hey, nineteen. 905 00:30:22,409 --> 00:30:26,090 Whoo!... now there's a 906 00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:29,099 little bit of, uh, controversy about that, too. 907 00:30:29,169 --> 00:30:31,799 So, a- and I mean, I'm, um, 908 00:30:32,729 --> 00:30:36,550 this, o- on the, on the original LP here that we have, the liner 909 00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:40,580 notes: drums, Rick Marotta. So we- I 910 00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:44,379 saw a few places where they would say that the... 911 00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:46,330 some of the fills were still human fills- 912 00:30:46,469 --> 00:30:46,899 I think that's true 913 00:30:46,899 --> 00:30:47,959 ... 'cause they couldn't figure out how to do that well. 914 00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:50,679 Yeah, I think that's true. It- all the fills are done by one of these great 915 00:30:50,709 --> 00:30:51,899 drummers. You don't believe it? 916 00:30:52,209 --> 00:30:53,679 I, I mean, I just don't know, because it's... 917 00:30:53,689 --> 00:30:55,409 I mean, this is making it like he's playing everything. 918 00:30:55,429 --> 00:30:58,990 Clearly, it's not, and I know that the engineers have confirmed this track. 919 00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:02,669 Actually, the tracking engineers, not Roger Nichols, who was the mixing engineer 920 00:31:02,709 --> 00:31:06,238 and the creator of Wendel, um, but the tracking engineer, who I- 921 00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:10,290 apologies, I'm, I'm missing his name now, who actually did a lot of the, the heavy 922 00:31:10,330 --> 00:31:13,389 lifting on this. Elliot Scheiner. 923 00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:17,449 Um, a huge part artistically of this record and, and to the sound that it 924 00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:21,350 has. He confirmed specifically which tracks, and this one, he said 925 00:31:21,449 --> 00:31:24,389 in an interview, is entirely Wendel, so. 926 00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:25,110 So- 927 00:31:25,129 --> 00:31:28,260 And he was the one literally, you know, recording what was there, what was used. 928 00:31:28,270 --> 00:31:29,849 So he was saying even the fills? 929 00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:31,270 Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. 930 00:31:31,330 --> 00:31:32,419 So by the way, this isn't the first- 931 00:31:32,429 --> 00:31:33,379 Well, he was there, my friend. 932 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:34,070 I know. I wasn't there. 933 00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:35,149 I mean, I know. I don't know either. 934 00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:37,860 The... This isn't the first time we've had a sample 935 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:42,449 loop used on a huge hit song. 936 00:31:43,189 --> 00:31:44,530 Uh-huh. 937 00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:45,550 Right. Right. 938 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:47,189 We didn't even address this when we did the- 939 00:31:47,199 --> 00:31:47,199 I know 940 00:31:47,199 --> 00:31:47,699 ... Voodoo episode. 941 00:31:47,709 --> 00:31:50,189 But I didn't... We didn't know. 942 00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,429 We're gonna get caught up in this again. 943 00:31:52,449 --> 00:31:55,360 This is a drum... This is not Wendel, though. This is... 944 00:31:55,389 --> 00:31:56,909 It's a Wendel-like item. 945 00:31:56,949 --> 00:31:58,489 This is, we've, we've confirmed- 946 00:31:58,510 --> 00:32:00,669 This is a Mir- Quest, this is Questlove. 947 00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:01,250 Sounds. 948 00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:01,719 Sounds. 949 00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:02,830 We think. 950 00:32:02,850 --> 00:32:03,000 But- 951 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,739 But put in a loop- 952 00:32:03,770 --> 00:32:03,840 Yeah 953 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,800 ... by Russell Gunn. 954 00:32:04,810 --> 00:32:07,060 And programmed by D'Angelo or Russell Elevado. 955 00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:08,770 Programmed by D'Angelo, yeah. 956 00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:12,070 So they used Questlove's sounds- 957 00:32:12,090 --> 00:32:12,189 Yeah 958 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:13,159 ... and put it in a loop. 959 00:32:13,209 --> 00:32:13,810 Allegedly. 960 00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:16,169 Not too far from Wendel- 961 00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:16,389 Right 962 00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:17,000 ... which is kind of interesting. 963 00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:20,570 But they just had much more technological abilities to, to make it, 964 00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:23,290 uh, feel and sound organic, right? 965 00:32:23,310 --> 00:32:26,090 There's a precision there that they wanted, and there's a placement for how they 966 00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:26,399 tracked it, but- 967 00:32:26,429 --> 00:32:29,310 Okay, I don't mind Wendel on Hey Nineteen, actually. 968 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:29,600 I think that's- 969 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,489 Yeah, when you... No, no, no, and I, I just, but c- because I just meant on its 970 00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:35,750 own. It's like, oh, I don't... Like, whereas you, you listen to just Purdie, you're 971 00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:36,438 like, "I'm cool." 972 00:32:36,469 --> 00:32:36,819 Now, yeah. 973 00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:37,889 When you hear it by itself. 974 00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:38,260 Is it Steve- 975 00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:39,040 But, but that's not realistic. 976 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,510 Is it Steve Gadd on the track Aja? 977 00:32:40,550 --> 00:32:40,730 No. 978 00:32:40,929 --> 00:32:43,969 No. Is it Purdie on- ... Babylon Sisters? No. 979 00:32:43,989 --> 00:32:45,590 No, but maybe that's not what that track needs. 980 00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:46,610 That's not what he wanted. 981 00:32:46,629 --> 00:32:46,699 Yeah. 982 00:32:46,709 --> 00:32:50,310 And you know, if, if we know anything about this album, they got what they wanted. 983 00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:51,000 Right. So- 984 00:32:51,030 --> 00:32:53,179 Or they paid someone $150,000 - 985 00:32:53,189 --> 00:32:53,438 That's right 986 00:32:53,438 --> 00:32:54,290 ... to find it. You know what I mean? 987 00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:57,209 So we might come back to this for quibble bits, but I'm ready to move on to track 988 00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:58,760 three if you are, unless you got anything else here. 989 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,810 Yeah, Glamour Profession. By the way, if you like Glamour Profession, stick around 990 00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:04,699 to the end of the episode, 'cause we do a full version with our quartet- 991 00:33:04,949 --> 00:33:05,169 Ooh 992 00:33:05,179 --> 00:33:06,110 ... of our arrangement of Glamour Profession. 993 00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:07,760 No Wendel. Wendel was not invited to that. We have Taylor Purdie. 994 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,750 Can you imagine Wendel doing the one that we just did? 995 00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:10,050 No. 996 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:10,580 That'd be awesome. 997 00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:14,050 Wendel would be e****g it up. Okay, so Glamour Profession, this is a cool track. 998 00:33:14,129 --> 00:33:17,889 Um, this is, s- well, it says Steve Gadd, but we know there's a lot of 999 00:33:17,949 --> 00:33:19,290 Wendel on here. I think we'll be able to... 1000 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:20,730 This one, I think, is combined- 1001 00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:20,840 Yeah 1002 00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:22,909 ... with the fills and stuff, but let's check it out. 1003 00:33:23,989 --> 00:33:25,350 You're kind of in a glamour profession. 1004 00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:28,389 You're a, a jazz piano influencer and a podcaster. 1005 00:33:28,429 --> 00:33:28,830 So, so are you. 1006 00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:29,189 Okay. 1007 00:33:29,209 --> 00:33:29,810 Are we in a bit of a- 1008 00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:31,330 Glamour profession. 1009 00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:32,030 Is that how it goes? 1010 00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:32,709 Yeah. 1011 00:33:32,718 --> 00:33:32,750 Oh. 1012 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,110 Yeah. 1013 00:33:35,129 --> 00:33:36,010 Oh, the great Rhodes. 1014 00:33:38,429 --> 00:33:40,199 Anthony Jackson on bass, killing it. 1015 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:43,590 RIP, we lost him recently. One of the greatest bass players 1016 00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:51,330 ever. 1017 00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:54,718 Disco? 1018 00:34:01,310 --> 00:34:02,030 Six o'clock- 1019 00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:02,610 That's Gadd. 1020 00:34:03,429 --> 00:34:04,010 That ain't Wendel. 1021 00:34:04,050 --> 00:34:05,050 ... outside the 1022 00:34:05,169 --> 00:34:09,310 stadium. 1023 00:34:09,449 --> 00:34:11,409 Special delivery 1024 00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:14,379 for Hoops McCann. 1025 00:34:14,429 --> 00:34:15,989 I wanna know Hoops. 1026 00:34:16,150 --> 00:34:17,549 Plays for the Lakers, for sure. 1027 00:34:17,569 --> 00:34:18,020 Brooded charisma. 1028 00:34:18,029 --> 00:34:21,020 Maybe the Clippers. Brood and charisma? 1029 00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:23,589 Out from the shadow where he 1030 00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:27,529 stood, looking good. He's 1031 00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:30,830 a crowd-pleasing man. 1032 00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:32,350 Off-headed weird! 1033 00:34:33,449 --> 00:34:33,989 Oh, dude. 1034 00:34:34,009 --> 00:34:37,390 One on one, he school you- 1035 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:39,210 It's like a Mingus album. 1036 00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:39,299 Yeah. 1037 00:34:39,299 --> 00:34:39,830 You know what I mean? 1038 00:34:39,890 --> 00:34:40,409 Yeah. 1039 00:34:40,449 --> 00:34:42,060 It's like Mingus in the, in 1980. 1040 00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:45,790 Brushing the backboard, he's Jungle 1041 00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:46,730 Jim 1042 00:34:47,989 --> 00:34:51,029 again. When it's all over- 1043 00:34:51,049 --> 00:34:54,350 Shout out to Rob Mounsey on piano, plays a nice solo on here- 1044 00:34:54,359 --> 00:34:54,719 He makes a call- 1045 00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:57,290 ... and is doing all this comping in between Fagan's on keys 1046 00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:59,200 ... worth thousands in admission. 1047 00:34:59,210 --> 00:35:02,770 And then he arranged a bunch of it. 1048 00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:06,210 Valerie Simpson, Leslie Miller, Frank Lloyd, Zack Sanders, background. 1049 00:35:06,490 --> 00:35:06,910 Woo! 1050 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:10,769 Local boys will spend a quarter 1051 00:35:11,069 --> 00:35:14,090 just to shine a silver bone. 1052 00:35:14,609 --> 00:35:18,120 Living hard will take its toll. 1053 00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:20,670 2-4 bar? That's weird. 1054 00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:23,009 Illegal fun. 1055 00:35:23,950 --> 00:35:23,960 Fun! 1056 00:35:24,009 --> 00:35:26,029 I always thought that was illegal funds. 1057 00:35:26,049 --> 00:35:26,060 Under the sun- 1058 00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:29,130 Like they're wiring illegal money. I think it's illegal fun. 1059 00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:29,870 Yeah. 1060 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:32,109 All aboard. 1061 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:33,690 It's about the Lakers. 1062 00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:33,799 The Carab Cannibal. 1063 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:35,090 Is that the '78 Lakers? 1064 00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:36,750 The Carab Cannibal. 1065 00:35:38,029 --> 00:35:39,078 Off to Barbados- 1066 00:35:39,078 --> 00:35:40,650 Oh, he's just making shit up now 1067 00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:44,630 ... just for the ride. 1068 00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:47,040 Jack with his pack- 1069 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,870 Tom Scott, Mike Brecker. 1070 00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:49,600 It's a lot, man. 1071 00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:50,509 Yeah. 1072 00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:52,190 The, the harmony is a lot. 1073 00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:53,690 Yeah. 1074 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:55,069 At the wheel, 1075 00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:58,840 it is your Asian bride. 1076 00:35:58,930 --> 00:36:02,470 Your Asian bride. Okay, another thing, I thought that was "your 1077 00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:03,560 Asian bride." 1078 00:36:03,569 --> 00:36:04,190 Were these guys just... Were these guys- 1079 00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:05,230 I thought it was your Asian bride. 1080 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:06,690 We drive far out- 1081 00:36:06,730 --> 00:36:07,890 It's Eurasian bride. 1082 00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:10,090 Eurasian, like Euro-Asian, European. 1083 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:10,370 Yeah. 1084 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,529 Yeah. Neither one is good. 1085 00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:13,230 They're both bad. 1086 00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:14,910 These guys are just jazz nerds, aren't they? 1087 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:14,920 Yeah. 1088 00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:16,480 Like, this is some nerdy-ass shit. 1089 00:36:16,509 --> 00:36:20,344 Well, it's funny you say that. Let's, let's, let's, uh, listen to how Fagan, uh-... 1090 00:36:20,394 --> 00:36:24,274 ah, talks about when he met Walter Becker and h- how he sees themselves. 1091 00:36:24,334 --> 00:36:28,054 That harmony could be played in, like, any dank jazz club in Brooklyn- 1092 00:36:28,134 --> 00:36:28,234 Right 1093 00:36:28,294 --> 00:36:29,034 ... right now. You know what I mean? 1094 00:36:29,044 --> 00:36:29,044 Yeah. 1095 00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:29,884 Like, all those- 1096 00:36:29,914 --> 00:36:32,074 Oh, they're playing it right now. So this is Donald Fagen- 1097 00:36:32,094 --> 00:36:33,614 This is like a, a sad boy straight vibe, you know? 1098 00:36:33,634 --> 00:36:34,664 Like, straight, straight groove 1099 00:36:35,074 --> 00:36:36,594 Sad boy, lots of harmony. 1100 00:36:36,654 --> 00:36:37,924 Shoegaze. 1101 00:36:38,034 --> 00:36:41,854 Um, this is Fagen talking with the great Paul Shaffer. The great, see? 1102 00:36:41,874 --> 00:36:44,974 We're talking jazz- ... about 10 or 15 years ago. 1103 00:36:44,994 --> 00:36:46,274 The legendary. 1104 00:36:46,354 --> 00:36:48,774 The great- ... means it's jazz. 1105 00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:51,034 Ah, this is Donald Fagen and Paul Shaffer. 1106 00:36:51,094 --> 00:36:53,954 Ladies and gentlemen, it's Donald Fagen. Hi, how are you? 1107 00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:54,314 Donald- 1108 00:36:54,354 --> 00:36:56,763 Okay, first we gotta talk about something. That... Why does Paul Shaffer... 1109 00:36:56,854 --> 00:37:00,634 I can't tell if he's, like, a grandma from the Borscht Belt in the '50s- 1110 00:37:00,654 --> 00:37:01,284 That's his vibe, man 1111 00:37:01,284 --> 00:37:03,744 ... or if it's like a radio announcer from the- l- listen to Paul Shaffer. 1112 00:37:03,754 --> 00:37:03,763 Look at him come- 1113 00:37:03,834 --> 00:37:06,284 The guy's wearing sunglasses inside 24/7. 1114 00:37:06,284 --> 00:37:08,814 No. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Donald Fagen. Why, how are you? 1115 00:37:08,874 --> 00:37:10,184 His little round sunglasses. 1116 00:37:10,194 --> 00:37:12,354 My goodness, thank you for being here. Okay. 1117 00:37:12,394 --> 00:37:13,704 What is your and what was Walter's- 1118 00:37:13,704 --> 00:37:14,394 Okay. 1119 00:37:14,474 --> 00:37:14,914 Okay. 1120 00:37:14,934 --> 00:37:17,034 This is so funny. These are two funny guys. 1121 00:37:17,054 --> 00:37:17,874 It's like, yeah. 1122 00:37:17,884 --> 00:37:18,294 All right. 1123 00:37:18,304 --> 00:37:19,964 Well, this whole interview is great. Go check this out. 1124 00:37:19,964 --> 00:37:20,774 I got a- another question. 1125 00:37:20,814 --> 00:37:20,914 Yeah. 1126 00:37:20,934 --> 00:37:24,574 Why are piano players, and I include us in this group, why are we so 1127 00:37:24,653 --> 00:37:25,334 weird? 1128 00:37:25,454 --> 00:37:26,454 We are so- 1129 00:37:26,674 --> 00:37:27,954 As a group, we are not socially- 1130 00:37:27,974 --> 00:37:31,274 Because we're put in these positions of power that we shouldn't have, as, like, 1131 00:37:31,294 --> 00:37:34,284 arrangers and producers, and, like, having podcasts and- 1132 00:37:34,284 --> 00:37:36,654 We spend all our lives in the practice room trying to figure this out. It's crazy. 1133 00:37:36,674 --> 00:37:40,454 Right, and everyone else is, like, way cooler and normal than us, but we know all 1134 00:37:40,474 --> 00:37:42,964 the harmony and all this stuff, so we- it all falls on us. 1135 00:37:43,074 --> 00:37:43,344 Damn. 1136 00:37:43,394 --> 00:37:45,994 Shout out to my guitar friends. Okay, back to Paul. 1137 00:37:46,014 --> 00:37:49,634 Ladies and gentlemen, it's Donald Fagen. Hi, how are you? Donald. Hi. 1138 00:37:50,014 --> 00:37:52,134 My goodness, thank you for being here. Okay. 1139 00:37:52,254 --> 00:37:54,424 What is your and what was Walter's musical background? 1140 00:37:54,434 --> 00:37:57,014 Did you- Walter and I had very similar, uh, backgrounds. 1141 00:37:57,034 --> 00:38:00,934 We were both, um, dinky kid- ... jazz 1142 00:38:01,034 --> 00:38:01,394 fans. 1143 00:38:01,434 --> 00:38:02,004 Dinky. Dinky! 1144 00:38:02,394 --> 00:38:03,614 Okay. And, uh- 1145 00:38:03,654 --> 00:38:04,244 Okay. 1146 00:38:04,244 --> 00:38:05,554 And what, uh, what, uh, did you meet him? 1147 00:38:06,634 --> 00:38:10,414 I met him in school, college. Okay, at- Bard, Bard College. Yes, right. 1148 00:38:10,474 --> 00:38:13,484 Famously so, yes. Where, uh, Chevy Chase also went. 1149 00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:13,724 Well, I can't believe- 1150 00:38:13,724 --> 00:38:14,794 It's like Larry King 1151 00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:18,194 ... you know, that he played drums in a- He did ... in a band with you guys. 1152 00:38:18,214 --> 00:38:18,874 Chevy Chase? 1153 00:38:18,914 --> 00:38:22,184 Yeah. He played a pickup thing with students. As hip as you are- Mm-hmm ... 1154 00:38:22,234 --> 00:38:25,914 of course, he, he loved his jazz, too. He did, and he was a good drummer. 1155 00:38:25,994 --> 00:38:27,354 And he could... He was a good drummer. 1156 00:38:27,434 --> 00:38:28,363 Talk about Chevy Chase. 1157 00:38:28,363 --> 00:38:28,963 Ladies and gentlemen. 1158 00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:30,234 Yeah, it's hilarious, like, Paul, Paul Shaffer. 1159 00:38:30,254 --> 00:38:31,934 Man, that's awesome. I love Paul Shaffer. 1160 00:38:31,954 --> 00:38:32,074 But- 1161 00:38:32,094 --> 00:38:33,274 Paul Shaffer can actually play, you know? 1162 00:38:33,343 --> 00:38:33,683 Oh, he's great. 1163 00:38:33,694 --> 00:38:34,024 He's incredible. 1164 00:38:34,034 --> 00:38:34,514 He's great. 1165 00:38:34,554 --> 00:38:34,564 Yeah. 1166 00:38:34,574 --> 00:38:38,024 Super nice guy. I got to meet him a couple times. Really da- super knowledgeable. 1167 00:38:38,054 --> 00:38:39,254 I mean, obviously, he's so good at- 1168 00:38:39,264 --> 00:38:39,623 He's a monster, yeah. 1169 00:38:39,634 --> 00:38:41,604 He needs a podcast. He probably has a podcast. 1170 00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:42,623 Um, that's probably why we're number nine. 1171 00:38:42,634 --> 00:38:43,694 He's got... He has a good vibe, though. 1172 00:38:43,714 --> 00:38:44,264 It's like he's like a- 1173 00:38:44,274 --> 00:38:46,044 He had that SiriusXM show. That was really good. 1174 00:38:46,154 --> 00:38:46,774 Oh, okay. 1175 00:38:46,794 --> 00:38:46,963 That was- 1176 00:38:46,963 --> 00:38:48,094 That, is that what that was from, probably? 1177 00:38:48,114 --> 00:38:48,794 Uh, I think so. 1178 00:38:48,834 --> 00:38:49,054 Yeah. 1179 00:38:49,074 --> 00:38:49,234 Probably. 1180 00:38:49,254 --> 00:38:49,554 Yeah, and they- 1181 00:38:49,574 --> 00:38:51,334 And they're playing on here, man. He's... Yeah. 1182 00:38:51,354 --> 00:38:52,614 He's got Goldblum vibes. 1183 00:38:52,674 --> 00:38:52,914 Yeah. 1184 00:38:52,954 --> 00:38:53,064 You know? 1185 00:38:53,234 --> 00:38:53,454 Yeah, yeah. 1186 00:38:53,474 --> 00:38:53,914 Yeah. 1187 00:38:53,934 --> 00:38:57,844 But the thing is, um, Fagen grew up in New- well, New York area, in New 1188 00:38:57,954 --> 00:39:01,514 Jersey, mo- pr- primarily, but he used to come into the city, and you mentioned 1189 00:39:01,554 --> 00:39:03,434 Charlie Mingus. That was somebody he was really into in, like, late '50s. 1190 00:39:03,454 --> 00:39:04,814 I mean, you could hear it so clearly. 1191 00:39:04,834 --> 00:39:05,094 Yes. 1192 00:39:05,114 --> 00:39:08,194 There's so much, like, of the, the, of that style of jazz, where, like, this 1193 00:39:08,214 --> 00:39:11,094 harmony's moving and these, those augmented chords, you know what I mean? 1194 00:39:11,254 --> 00:39:11,264 Yeah. 1195 00:39:11,274 --> 00:39:11,874 Crazy. 1196 00:39:11,894 --> 00:39:15,154 Yeah. And willing to have not only weird chords. 1197 00:39:15,174 --> 00:39:17,394 I mean, all jazz players, they kind of figure out some chords to do that. 1198 00:39:17,414 --> 00:39:21,094 But, like, he maybe picked up that, that sensibility from Mingus, where it's like 1199 00:39:21,874 --> 00:39:25,774 set up a pattern of weirdness and celebrate that within the music, not just 1200 00:39:25,814 --> 00:39:29,414 some random, "Oh, this is slick." It's like, "No, we're gonna have this section- 1201 00:39:29,454 --> 00:39:29,674 Yeah 1202 00:39:29,683 --> 00:39:33,534 ... where it's gonna be like, we're gonna end on an augmented chord in Cuervo Gold 1203 00:39:33,594 --> 00:39:35,664 and like... " And, of course, he tied in with the lyrics and all that. 1204 00:39:35,674 --> 00:39:39,104 But the thing was, too, he used to hang out at the Village Vanguard as a young'un, 1205 00:39:39,114 --> 00:39:41,644 as a teenager, um, listen to stuff, and that's great. 1206 00:39:41,674 --> 00:39:45,104 Like, you think about the lineage of, like, musicians and pop musicians, of course, 1207 00:39:45,114 --> 00:39:48,634 jazz musicians, actors, like, the Vanguard is such, like, a cultural 1208 00:39:48,774 --> 00:39:51,774 connecting, connection point for generations. 1209 00:39:51,814 --> 00:39:51,903 Yeah, yeah. 1210 00:39:51,903 --> 00:39:53,754 You know? So it's so cool to see that. 1211 00:39:53,854 --> 00:39:55,154 Um, but that's- 1212 00:39:55,164 --> 00:39:55,164 That, that- 1213 00:39:55,174 --> 00:39:55,294 Yeah 1214 00:39:55,434 --> 00:39:56,764 ... there was another Wendel track, right? 1215 00:39:56,794 --> 00:39:58,614 So that was that sort of drum machine that they were using. 1216 00:39:58,694 --> 00:39:59,044 Yeah. 1217 00:39:59,044 --> 00:39:59,044 Yeah. 1218 00:39:59,054 --> 00:40:01,004 But definitely some Steve Gadd on there. 1219 00:40:01,114 --> 00:40:05,014 Um, I think you can hear it within there, uh, with the fills is app- apparently 1220 00:40:05,034 --> 00:40:06,034 what they said, and- 1221 00:40:06,054 --> 00:40:06,654 Very cool. 1222 00:40:06,734 --> 00:40:10,274 Yeah. Should we move on to... Ooh, a little controversy with the next track. 1223 00:40:10,334 --> 00:40:11,434 I love this track, though. 1224 00:40:11,494 --> 00:40:11,854 Yeah. 1225 00:40:11,914 --> 00:40:12,044 Let's- 1226 00:40:12,044 --> 00:40:12,554 Go check it out. 1227 00:40:12,574 --> 00:40:13,374 Title track. 1228 00:40:13,394 --> 00:40:14,614 Title track. Title track. Sure about 1229 00:40:14,654 --> 00:40:17,754 that? 1230 00:40:21,734 --> 00:40:24,834 I can't put my finger on it, but it, it, it reminds me of something. 1231 00:40:24,954 --> 00:40:27,754 SNL? The theme song at the end? Love it. 1232 00:40:27,774 --> 00:40:29,374 Is it Treasure Island? No, it's not Treasure 1233 00:40:29,454 --> 00:40:33,054 Island. 1234 00:40:39,653 --> 00:40:41,694 Man, that sounds so good. 1235 00:40:41,713 --> 00:40:44,014 It's Tom Scott on tenor. 1236 00:40:44,054 --> 00:40:45,774 Bad cat. 1237 00:40:45,834 --> 00:40:47,504 Arrangements as well, horn arrangements. 1238 00:40:49,554 --> 00:40:53,034 Yeah, Tom Scott is a bad dude. 1239 00:40:56,634 --> 00:40:57,724 Okay, so there's the intro. 1240 00:40:57,724 --> 00:40:59,774 'Cause when I say, "Boy, we can-" 1241 00:40:59,794 --> 00:41:00,913 Something different, right? 1242 00:41:00,934 --> 00:41:03,754 ... You are golden, then you do 1243 00:41:03,894 --> 00:41:04,994 this. 1244 00:41:06,034 --> 00:41:09,304 You say, "This guy is so cool." 1245 00:41:09,334 --> 00:41:09,663 So cool. 1246 00:41:09,814 --> 00:41:12,094 Snapping his fingers like a 1247 00:41:12,194 --> 00:41:14,894 fool. 1248 00:41:16,634 --> 00:41:20,594 One more expensive kiss-off. Who do 1249 00:41:20,654 --> 00:41:23,913 you think I am? Lord, I 1250 00:41:23,994 --> 00:41:27,793 know you're a special friend, but you 1251 00:41:28,334 --> 00:41:31,694 don't seem to understand. We got 1252 00:41:32,034 --> 00:41:35,374 heavy rollers. I think you should know. 1253 00:41:35,474 --> 00:41:36,934 Try again 1254 00:41:36,974 --> 00:41:40,334 tomorrow. 1255 00:41:41,434 --> 00:41:42,814 That's s- that's so much, man. 1256 00:41:42,824 --> 00:41:42,824 Man. 1257 00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:44,854 There's so much going on. It's crazy. 1258 00:41:44,913 --> 00:41:46,314 Second verse. 1259 00:41:46,814 --> 00:41:50,094 Get rid of him. I don't care what you do. 1260 00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:51,354 How did they do this? 1261 00:41:51,434 --> 00:41:52,814 I know. 1262 00:41:54,114 --> 00:41:54,654 Would you care to explain? 1263 00:41:54,694 --> 00:41:57,614 Ron Moon on piano. 1264 00:41:59,254 --> 00:42:01,704 Ah. Who is the guy showing you- 1265 00:42:01,704 --> 00:42:03,394 He jammed on this track? 1266 00:42:03,404 --> 00:42:03,874 ... He's here. 1267 00:42:03,894 --> 00:42:03,984 Yeah, yeah. 1268 00:42:03,984 --> 00:42:07,444 Why is he snapping in your spangled 1269 00:42:07,534 --> 00:42:11,274 leather poncho and your elevator 1270 00:42:11,394 --> 00:42:11,714 shoes? 1271 00:42:11,734 --> 00:42:13,434 Jeff Porcaro. 1272 00:42:13,754 --> 00:42:15,034 Oh, minor 11. 1273 00:42:15,054 --> 00:42:17,554 Rudacious cowboys 1274 00:42:18,754 --> 00:42:20,274 such as your friend- 1275 00:42:27,234 --> 00:42:29,914 ... Sha-boom! Ah. 1276 00:42:29,974 --> 00:42:32,194 Oh! 1277 00:42:34,614 --> 00:42:35,274 Man. 1278 00:42:35,294 --> 00:42:36,214 All right, do your thing on this. 1279 00:42:36,234 --> 00:42:36,334 Yeah. 1280 00:42:36,414 --> 00:42:37,844 No, no, I just got something I wanna talk about before- 1281 00:42:38,054 --> 00:42:40,864 I was gonna say, I thought that was Anthony Jackson. This says Walter Becker. 1282 00:42:41,094 --> 00:42:43,724 I, I think that there's... Like, they track this stuff so much, who knows what's on 1283 00:42:43,754 --> 00:42:46,224 it, who's on it? But definitely Jeff Porcaro, so... 1284 00:42:46,254 --> 00:42:47,234 Oh, there is a way- 1285 00:42:47,244 --> 00:42:50,414 Wait, are you saying that they're not precise? Is that what you're saying? 1286 00:42:50,454 --> 00:42:52,834 Man, this is a kill- I forgot how good this track is, man. 1287 00:42:52,874 --> 00:42:53,434 It's killing. 1288 00:42:53,454 --> 00:42:55,754 This might be the best arranged track- 1289 00:42:55,774 --> 00:42:55,784 I mean- 1290 00:42:55,784 --> 00:42:56,864 ... like, with the production and the... 1291 00:42:56,894 --> 00:42:57,314 I mean- 1292 00:42:57,334 --> 00:42:57,584 It's incredible. 1293 00:42:57,594 --> 00:42:59,734 This is strong, man. Shout out to everybody on it. 1294 00:42:59,754 --> 00:43:00,044 A lot of- 1295 00:43:00,044 --> 00:43:00,554 That chorus- 1296 00:43:00,674 --> 00:43:00,774 Yeah 1297 00:43:00,794 --> 00:43:01,664 ... is so big. 1298 00:43:01,694 --> 00:43:02,334 It's almost like- 1299 00:43:02,344 --> 00:43:02,344 So huge 1300 00:43:02,344 --> 00:43:04,754 ... they went to some source material and just- 1301 00:43:04,774 --> 00:43:05,074 Hmm. 1302 00:43:05,094 --> 00:43:07,734 Like, where did it come from? We're gonna talk about that in a minute, but this 1303 00:43:07,914 --> 00:43:09,603 was... Or should we just jump right into that? 1304 00:43:09,634 --> 00:43:10,414 Jump, jump into that, and then- 1305 00:43:10,423 --> 00:43:10,423 Okay 1306 00:43:10,423 --> 00:43:11,674 ... I wanna talk about the chorus a little bit more. 1307 00:43:11,714 --> 00:43:14,394 So let's listen to the beginning again, because if this sounds familiar to 1308 00:43:14,474 --> 00:43:19,264 you... 1309 00:43:19,274 --> 00:43:20,574 Pregnant pause. Here we go. 1310 00:43:22,054 --> 00:43:22,814 Boom. 1311 00:43:24,474 --> 00:43:24,714 Ah, 1312 00:43:26,034 --> 00:43:27,154 that snare drum roll. 1313 00:43:31,974 --> 00:43:34,294 What is this, key of F, right? 1314 00:43:35,614 --> 00:43:39,434 Ah, it's got that little... So it's a little bit of a, like, a slight street 1315 00:43:39,454 --> 00:43:43,294 beat, almost like military shum, you know, like with that press roll thing 1316 00:43:43,334 --> 00:43:44,824 there. So that's Gaucho. 1317 00:43:44,874 --> 00:43:50,434 This... 1318 00:43:54,814 --> 00:43:57,384 This is a live version? Wait, let me start it from the beginning. 1319 00:43:57,414 --> 00:44:00,054 Sorry. 1320 00:44:03,874 --> 00:44:06,354 All right, that's source material. 1321 00:44:06,394 --> 00:44:09,374 This is Gaucho. 1322 00:44:11,314 --> 00:44:12,454 It's very, very close. 1323 00:44:12,514 --> 00:44:16,494 Very close. Okay, so what I was playing you here, this 1324 00:44:16,534 --> 00:44:20,234 is Keith Jarrett, "Long as You Know You're Living Yours" from Belonging. 1325 00:44:20,274 --> 00:44:21,074 Killer record. 1326 00:44:21,794 --> 00:44:24,154 Belonging, amazing. By the way, Branford Marsalis Quartet- 1327 00:44:24,164 --> 00:44:24,193 1974 1328 00:44:24,214 --> 00:44:25,364 ... just put out their own version- 1329 00:44:25,364 --> 00:44:25,394 Yes 1330 00:44:25,534 --> 00:44:26,814 ... a Belonging, which is kind of amazing. 1331 00:44:26,834 --> 00:44:28,904 Yeah, I thought that was insane when Branford was gonna do it. 1332 00:44:28,904 --> 00:44:28,924 That was- 1333 00:44:28,924 --> 00:44:29,334 And then- 1334 00:44:29,374 --> 00:44:29,884 He did it, and I was like- 1335 00:44:29,884 --> 00:44:30,404 He did it. 1336 00:44:30,434 --> 00:44:30,994 It was awesome. 1337 00:44:31,014 --> 00:44:34,934 Yeah. Yeah, okay, so there's a little bit of controversy here 1338 00:44:35,054 --> 00:44:39,014 because those sound alike. Although you made a good point when we first 1339 00:44:39,034 --> 00:44:41,483 talked about it. You're like, "Oh, what, does Keith Jarrett own the play- the, the 1340 00:44:41,594 --> 00:44:42,354 four to one? 1341 00:44:42,474 --> 00:44:42,524 Yeah. 1342 00:44:42,554 --> 00:44:42,964 The one to four?" 1343 00:44:42,964 --> 00:44:43,554 The play on cadence? 1344 00:44:43,634 --> 00:44:46,584 They've been doing that in churches for, for hundreds of years all over the world. 1345 00:44:46,584 --> 00:44:47,254 It is very close, though. 1346 00:44:47,294 --> 00:44:48,234 Yeah, it is very close. 1347 00:44:48,274 --> 00:44:50,354 Just with the tenor and all this, like, just the way... 1348 00:44:50,364 --> 00:44:51,084 And the drums, the, everything. 1349 00:44:51,094 --> 00:44:52,404 But the melody's not exactly the same. 1350 00:44:52,434 --> 00:44:52,854 Not exactly the same. 1351 00:44:52,874 --> 00:44:55,394 And, and the chords are not... They've been used so much. 1352 00:44:55,434 --> 00:44:58,094 The tempo and the key, but you can't copyright a tempo and a key. 1353 00:44:58,194 --> 00:45:01,774 I wonder if this would happen today, what hap- what you're about to talk about. 1354 00:45:01,894 --> 00:45:04,254 I think it, I think it would. It would just be even faster- 1355 00:45:04,294 --> 00:45:04,413 Maybe 1356 00:45:04,423 --> 00:45:05,413 ... because it'd be, like, social media. 1357 00:45:05,434 --> 00:45:08,734 So what happened was, um, there was an interview in 1358 00:45:08,754 --> 00:45:12,694 1981, so the record had already been out for over a year, or no, maybe not, 1359 00:45:12,714 --> 00:45:14,794 maybe six months. Anyway, it was the next year. 1360 00:45:14,854 --> 00:45:18,654 So Musician Magazine, right? Here it is. I'm gonna read it to you. Musician. 1361 00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:19,844 Shout out to Musician Magazine. 1362 00:45:19,854 --> 00:45:20,894 Those of you that don't- 1363 00:45:20,974 --> 00:45:21,004 You're still around. 1364 00:45:21,004 --> 00:45:21,514 Are they still around? 1365 00:45:21,554 --> 00:45:22,054 I don't know. 1366 00:45:22,094 --> 00:45:24,524 Yeah, this used to be a big deal. I remember when, like... 1367 00:45:24,534 --> 00:45:27,254 You know, I don't quite remember this early, but, but not that far after, like- 1368 00:45:27,274 --> 00:45:28,574 Magazines, are you still around? 1369 00:45:28,674 --> 00:45:28,763 Yeah. 1370 00:45:28,763 --> 00:45:29,674 Hey, magazines. 1371 00:45:29,754 --> 00:45:33,504 Mu- Musician was big. Musician says, "Are you familiar with the 1372 00:45:33,554 --> 00:45:36,413 Keith Jarrett recording..." This is talking to Donald Fagen and Walter Becker. 1373 00:45:36,423 --> 00:45:39,854 "Are you familiar with the Keith Jarrett record, Belonging, particularly a tune 1374 00:45:39,894 --> 00:45:42,714 called Long as You Know You're Living Yours?" Becker: 1375 00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:46,983 "Yes." Musician: "Have you ever listened to that up against 1376 00:45:47,054 --> 00:45:50,934 Gaucho?" Becker: "No." Musician: 1377 00:45:50,944 --> 00:45:54,194 "I'm not casting any aspersions now, but in terms of the tempo and the 1378 00:45:54,294 --> 00:45:57,714 bassline and the saxophone melody, it's pretty interesting." 1379 00:45:57,734 --> 00:46:00,154 Becker: "Parenthetically, it is. 1380 00:46:00,214 --> 00:46:03,404 Yeah." Uneasy laughter. Musician... 1381 00:46:03,434 --> 00:46:06,854 At this point, the reporter traditionally asks the cornered politician or athlete 1382 00:46:06,864 --> 00:46:10,564 to go off the record. Fagen jumps in, "Off the 1383 00:46:10,654 --> 00:46:13,494 record, we were heavily influenced by that particular piece of 1384 00:46:13,534 --> 00:46:17,324 music." Becker says, "I love it." Um, 1385 00:46:17,654 --> 00:46:21,154 then it says, "Becker and Fagen later approved their off-the-record responses for 1386 00:46:21,174 --> 00:46:23,444 publication." That cost him a little bit of bread, I can tell you that right now. 1387 00:46:23,474 --> 00:46:24,254 Why is that? 1388 00:46:24,294 --> 00:46:27,194 Well, Musician then said, "We are talking about borrowing." And 1389 00:46:27,314 --> 00:46:31,074 Fagen... Is Fagen cocky? He, is he good and he knows it? 1390 00:46:31,084 --> 00:46:31,413 I don't know. 1391 00:46:31,434 --> 00:46:32,134 Famously, yeah. 1392 00:46:32,154 --> 00:46:35,654 Fagen said, "Hell, we steal. We're the robber barons of rock and 1393 00:46:35,734 --> 00:46:36,174 roll." 1394 00:46:36,274 --> 00:46:36,374 Amazing. 1395 00:46:36,394 --> 00:46:39,974 So when this article came out, it made its way to Keith 1396 00:46:40,074 --> 00:46:41,284 Jarrett. He engaged- 1397 00:46:41,284 --> 00:46:42,354 I'm sure he was cool about it. 1398 00:46:42,413 --> 00:46:45,374 He engaged Debussy & Debussy- ... in legal 1399 00:46:45,413 --> 00:46:48,934 proceedings. Turns out they had to refer him to a New York lawyer, 'cause they're 1400 00:46:48,974 --> 00:46:50,824 only licensed in the state of Illinois. 1401 00:46:50,834 --> 00:46:53,264 And sometimes that license isn't exactly valid, if you know what I'm saying. 1402 00:46:53,264 --> 00:46:56,534 It's based on the Napoleonic Code- ... my friend. 1403 00:46:56,554 --> 00:46:58,004 Well, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say... 1404 00:46:58,034 --> 00:47:01,514 So anyway, that got back to them, so I think they talked their way, 'cause, I mean, 1405 00:47:01,554 --> 00:47:04,294 these interviews were big. Now it's like if you say something on social media- 1406 00:47:04,314 --> 00:47:04,464 Yeah, yeah, yeah 1407 00:47:04,474 --> 00:47:04,994 ... it's lost, right? 1408 00:47:05,014 --> 00:47:05,324 Yeah. 1409 00:47:05,334 --> 00:47:07,714 But it's in print, and so they ended up settling, and he's... 1410 00:47:07,754 --> 00:47:09,614 Well, listen, as a songwriter, not on this. 1411 00:47:09,754 --> 00:47:10,184 Keith Jarrett is. 1412 00:47:10,184 --> 00:47:13,824 Keith Jarrett is co- they... I think it was 33, 33, 33 between the three of them. 1413 00:47:13,824 --> 00:47:14,254 A third of them. 1414 00:47:14,274 --> 00:47:14,514 Yeah. 1415 00:47:14,634 --> 00:47:16,734 I wouldn't doubt if it's just, like... 1416 00:47:16,754 --> 00:47:19,714 'Cause when did Belonging came out? A few years before, right? 1417 00:47:19,724 --> 00:47:20,274 '74. 1418 00:47:20,284 --> 00:47:20,934 '74. 1419 00:47:21,514 --> 00:47:21,524 Yeah. 1420 00:47:21,554 --> 00:47:24,764 I mean, that's enough time that you could literally, like, know it, love it, and 1421 00:47:24,814 --> 00:47:25,413 kinda forget it. 1422 00:47:25,774 --> 00:47:25,954 Right. 1423 00:47:25,994 --> 00:47:28,894 And then it comes out. Listen, buddy, I've told you this before. 1424 00:47:28,994 --> 00:47:32,874 I told you about the, the song that I wrote that is with, with The 442s, my band. 1425 00:47:32,894 --> 00:47:33,694 We play it all the time. 1426 00:47:33,704 --> 00:47:33,704 Right. 1427 00:47:33,714 --> 00:47:36,913 It's one of people's favorite songs we do. It's basically We Are the World. 1428 00:47:36,974 --> 00:47:37,244 Yeah. 1429 00:47:37,274 --> 00:47:39,104 I just... Like, I was at a soundcheck- ... 1430 00:47:39,174 --> 00:47:41,234 after we'd recorded it and been playing it for two years. 1431 00:47:41,274 --> 00:47:42,064 Yeah, I've played it. Yeah. 1432 00:47:42,114 --> 00:47:45,054 Our buddy Sean looked over at me in the soundcheck as we were rehearsing that song 1433 00:47:45,074 --> 00:47:48,594 and goes, "You know this is just We Are the World, right?" And I go, "Son of a 1434 00:47:48,714 --> 00:47:50,264 gun, it is just We Are the World!" 1435 00:47:50,294 --> 00:47:53,234 Well, We Are the World has, like, 17 songwriters on it, so they'd be happy to add 1436 00:47:53,274 --> 00:47:54,334 one more if you want. 1437 00:47:54,374 --> 00:47:56,474 Don't come at me, Stevie Wonder and Lionel Richie. 1438 00:47:56,494 --> 00:47:58,104 But no, you know what I'm saying? It's like, uh- 1439 00:47:58,134 --> 00:47:58,184 Yeah 1440 00:47:59,413 --> 00:48:00,814 ... it happens. It happens. 1441 00:48:00,824 --> 00:48:00,824 I- 1442 00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:04,614 It happens with comedians, where you hear a joke, and you absorb it, and then you 1443 00:48:04,634 --> 00:48:05,714 forget that you know it, and then- 1444 00:48:05,774 --> 00:48:05,804 Yeah 1445 00:48:05,804 --> 00:48:07,324 ... it comes out, and you... I mean, listen, it happens. 1446 00:48:07,374 --> 00:48:10,044 And I don't even think this... I don't- we, we don't know the exact law. 1447 00:48:10,054 --> 00:48:12,774 I mean, like, we just know little things, and, like, these can work their way 1448 00:48:12,794 --> 00:48:14,634 through a court case, and who knows who would've won? 1449 00:48:14,654 --> 00:48:17,834 But I think this whole thing of, like, "We were heavily influenced by that 1450 00:48:17,854 --> 00:48:21,254 particular piece of music," them- what they said in this interview couldn't have 1451 00:48:21,294 --> 00:48:22,123 helped the cause at all. 1452 00:48:22,154 --> 00:48:23,214 Definitely didn't help the cause. 1453 00:48:23,224 --> 00:48:23,224 Yeah. 1454 00:48:23,234 --> 00:48:25,494 Like, if they... You think if they wouldn't have said anything to this interview, 1455 00:48:25,534 --> 00:48:27,394 just... Or not made a public record, then- 1456 00:48:27,574 --> 00:48:29,644 Hell, we steal. We're the robber barons of rock and roll. 1457 00:48:29,734 --> 00:48:30,814 That's pushing it, isn't it? 1458 00:48:30,854 --> 00:48:33,724 But Fagen's probably like, "Ah, it was worth it to be able to say that." 1459 00:48:33,854 --> 00:48:34,174 Yeah. 1460 00:48:34,194 --> 00:48:35,714 That's cool. It's all good. 1461 00:48:35,794 --> 00:48:36,344 Yeah. 1462 00:48:36,434 --> 00:48:36,614 Um- 1463 00:48:36,634 --> 00:48:39,144 I wonder what Keith thought. I wonder if there's any Keith interviews- ... 1464 00:48:39,144 --> 00:48:39,913 about it. You know what I mean? 1465 00:48:40,054 --> 00:48:40,654 I know. Probably not. 1466 00:48:40,734 --> 00:48:41,464 Yeah. 1467 00:48:41,554 --> 00:48:42,434 Um, cool. 1468 00:48:42,454 --> 00:48:44,074 That's it. Okay, so can I- 1469 00:48:44,094 --> 00:48:44,214 Yes 1470 00:48:44,274 --> 00:48:45,394 ... take my, my Gaucho- 1471 00:48:45,404 --> 00:48:46,334 Oh, get the turntable back 1472 00:48:46,374 --> 00:48:47,594 ... train a little bit? 1473 00:48:47,614 --> 00:48:47,954 Do it. 1474 00:48:48,014 --> 00:48:51,374 So I wanna address the chorus here of 1475 00:48:51,413 --> 00:48:52,294 Gaucho. 1476 00:48:52,314 --> 00:48:52,554 Mm. 1477 00:48:52,634 --> 00:48:53,554 Because- 1478 00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:58,510 ... I'm gonna go down a little bit. 1479 00:49:01,050 --> 00:49:03,870 Who is the gaucho amigo? 1480 00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:08,500 Why is he standing in your spangled 1481 00:49:08,530 --> 00:49:10,030 leather poncho? 1482 00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:12,250 Do these lyrics make sense to you, by the way? 1483 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:14,190 And your 1484 00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:18,870 elevator shoes. Audacious cowboys- 1485 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,150 Audacious cowboys! One of the great lines 1486 00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:23,550 ... Such as your friend will never be welcome 1487 00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:27,590 here. High in the Custer 1488 00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:27,759 dome- 1489 00:49:27,759 --> 00:49:31,670 Woo, so good, man. Too cool. Okay, so I'm gonna back it 1490 00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:33,170 up again. 1491 00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:33,260 All up in the- 1492 00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:37,010 And we're gonna take some things out here. 1493 00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:49,910 The 1494 00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:51,530 guitar. 1495 00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:54,690 Ah, isn't that great? 1496 00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:55,500 The... The guitar. 1497 00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:55,720 Oh, 1498 00:49:55,750 --> 00:50:00,250 yeah. 1499 00:50:01,110 --> 00:50:02,070 Oh. 1500 00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:05,150 Da, da, da, da, da. 1501 00:50:05,170 --> 00:50:06,350 Yeah, I never noticed that in there. 1502 00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:07,010 It's so good. 1503 00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:07,850 Yeah. 1504 00:50:07,890 --> 00:50:09,590 But it's such a huge chorus. 1505 00:50:09,630 --> 00:50:11,330 Yeah. It gets so 1506 00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:14,130 wide. 1507 00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:21,390 I mean, the combination of the Rhodes and the piano, splitting 1508 00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:22,030 registers. 1509 00:50:22,050 --> 00:50:25,170 He's standing in your spangled leather poncho. 1510 00:50:25,210 --> 00:50:28,890 That's it! It's just the chorus and that guitar doing all that great rhythmic work 1511 00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:29,270 under it- 1512 00:50:29,290 --> 00:50:29,300 So good 1513 00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:33,190 ... and just how they, they pan everything out huge, wide, all the 1514 00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:34,790 little sparkle stuff that happens, man. 1515 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,190 Yeah. 1516 00:50:35,230 --> 00:50:36,610 Incredible track. Incredible track. 1517 00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:39,970 For sure, for sure. Great stuff. Shout-out Tom Scott, great horn 1518 00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:42,610 arrangements on, on a number of things, and great playing on here. 1519 00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:44,670 And honestly, dude, honestly, 1520 00:50:45,850 --> 00:50:49,270 what makes, I think, Gaucho the album so good is 1521 00:50:49,850 --> 00:50:53,350 everything's been pretty... I mean, "Glamour Profession" I think is a 1522 00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:57,050 little, sounds a little dated with the disco beat and 1523 00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:57,710 everything. 1524 00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:57,940 Yeah, yeah. 1525 00:50:57,950 --> 00:51:00,790 And that's the only diff I can, uh, I can think of so far. 1526 00:51:00,830 --> 00:51:01,730 Disco Wendel? 1527 00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:05,430 Disco Wendel. Disco Wendel. Everything else, "Babylon Sisters," "Hey 1528 00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:08,170 Nineteen," "Gaucho," and then next up, the next track- 1529 00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:08,490 Yeah 1530 00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:09,390 ... is unbelievable. 1531 00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:12,530 Yeah. So now we're on... Well, "Gaucho" is the first song on the second side- 1532 00:51:12,570 --> 00:51:12,580 Right 1533 00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:16,270 ... so now we're at the middle song. Um, if you think about this as six songs. 1534 00:51:16,290 --> 00:51:18,070 If it's seven, it's the second song. 1535 00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:18,800 Um, only going- 1536 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,390 Do you not think about it as seven? 1537 00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:24,110 I mean, I... Structurally, I don't know, just 'cause three, three, and because, to 1538 00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:26,910 be honest, I don't wanna give anything away, but, like, "Third World," like, that's 1539 00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:27,259 the, that's the- 1540 00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:28,950 It was on the original release, though, wasn't it? 1541 00:51:28,990 --> 00:51:29,970 Yeah, yeah, it was on the original. 1542 00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:32,430 I think that's just one- this is one of those records that, like- 1543 00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:32,690 So it's seven songs 1544 00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:34,770 ... once I get to "My Rival," I'm done. 1545 00:51:34,850 --> 00:51:36,190 Oh, okay. For you, it's only six. 1546 00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:36,510 Yeah. 1547 00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:39,110 You, you like to b- uh, bury your head in the sand. 1548 00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:42,080 No, no, no, I mean, and "Third World Man" is fine for... But it, it... 1549 00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:45,090 I didn't even know this till recently, that it was recorded so much earlier. 1550 00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:45,100 Mm. 1551 00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:47,130 Or was it? I, I still don't really know. 1552 00:51:47,170 --> 00:51:47,730 Nobody knows. 1553 00:51:47,770 --> 00:51:50,130 Yeah. But, I mean, just to me, "My Rival"- 1554 00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:50,160 Tell me. 1555 00:51:50,170 --> 00:51:52,850 Well, o- once we get there, I'll, I'll tell you. I mean, I'm just kind of done. 1556 00:51:52,890 --> 00:51:54,990 I feel like I had enough, even though the record's short- 1557 00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:55,259 All right 1558 00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:58,190 ... but it's, yeah. I mean, to tell you the truth, I think if this was six tracks, 1559 00:51:58,250 --> 00:52:00,300 I would almost call this a, a near-perfect record. 1560 00:52:00,490 --> 00:52:00,990 I would agree. 1561 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,000 Yeah. 1562 00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:02,190 I would, I would agree. I think it's- 1563 00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:05,270 That would be shockingly short, and people would be like, "Oh, my God," you know? 1564 00:52:05,310 --> 00:52:07,100 Plus, you know, when this came out, this was a big... 1565 00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:10,850 This was one of those records that, um... What was this? M- not MCA. 1566 00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:14,750 What the hell was this? Oh, Geffen, UM, Universal. 1567 00:52:14,759 --> 00:52:14,920 I, I don't know. 1568 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,560 So what I like to think about, too, is if this is, if this is 1569 00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:19,570 six tracks 1570 00:52:20,850 --> 00:52:22,150 recorded over two years- 1571 00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:22,530 Yeah 1572 00:52:22,539 --> 00:52:24,590 ... that's four months per track. 1573 00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:24,950 Right. 1574 00:52:24,990 --> 00:52:25,310 All right, go ahead. 1575 00:52:25,350 --> 00:52:29,310 Right. No, but this was a, this was a thing, like, for the record 1576 00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:32,410 and maybe the cassette, too, I think they were priced the same. 1577 00:52:32,430 --> 00:52:35,270 But I remember, like, around this time, they were, like, the, the big record 1578 00:52:35,290 --> 00:52:39,170 companies, Warner Brothers, MCA, whatever, w- I can't remember what this was, but- 1579 00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:39,790 This is MCA. 1580 00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:43,810 Oh, MCA. Like, they were trying this, like, upper demographic 1581 00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:45,790 pricing. Everything was $8.99. 1582 00:52:45,850 --> 00:52:46,090 Yeah. 1583 00:52:46,110 --> 00:52:49,750 But then, like, certain artists that were established and were like, "We're Steely 1584 00:52:49,810 --> 00:52:53,450 Dan, The Dan," they would do $9.99, which today 1585 00:52:53,590 --> 00:52:55,620 sounds silly, like, 'cause pricing is all over the place. 1586 00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:56,590 But I remember this, though. 1587 00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:57,530 Yeah, but it was a big deal- 1588 00:52:57,570 --> 00:52:58,100 Even in the- 1589 00:52:58,100 --> 00:52:59,250 ... 'cause it was $8.99 everywhere. 1590 00:52:59,290 --> 00:52:59,430 Yeah. 1591 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,690 And so, like, they were putting a marker that the companies wanted another dollar. 1592 00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:06,230 Even in the CD era, like at, at, at Barnes & Noble back in the day, it would be 1593 00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:08,830 like, there would be $9.99 all the way up to $18.99. 1594 00:53:08,890 --> 00:53:09,110 Right. 1595 00:53:09,130 --> 00:53:09,270 Depending- 1596 00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:12,289 But they were... Like, the record companies were trying to make editorial decisions 1597 00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:15,430 based upon pricing. They're like, "This is, this is a premium Bordeaux. 1598 00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:17,690 This is not a Bordeaux De Country," you know? 1599 00:53:17,710 --> 00:53:17,950 Like- 1600 00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:18,290 Interesting 1601 00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:21,610 ... um, and so, and, and Steely Dan famously didn't like that. 1602 00:53:21,630 --> 00:53:24,330 Like, they fought against it. That was part of their... They were in a big battle. 1603 00:53:24,350 --> 00:53:26,800 They were calling them the Custer Dome, supposedly, it was Warner Brothers- 1604 00:53:26,850 --> 00:53:26,860 Ooh 1605 00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:28,390 ... that's where that lyric is from. 1606 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:28,400 Right. 1607 00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:31,300 But, I mean, they didn't like that, 'cause they were like... 1608 00:53:31,330 --> 00:53:33,230 They, they were v- they've always been very much 1609 00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:38,410 of the people, right? Um, and they thought, you know, 1610 00:53:38,530 --> 00:53:42,450 smartly, that the consu- that their fans were gonna think they 1611 00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:45,010 were pricing it, which is silly, 'cause you're like, "Oh, everybody knows." No, 1612 00:53:45,050 --> 00:53:48,930 most people say, like, "Oh, I can't believe Steely Dan's trying to charge $9.99. 1613 00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:51,710 Who do they think they are?" You know, so they were against it. 1614 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:52,190 Very cool. 1615 00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:53,560 Yeah. 1616 00:53:54,370 --> 00:53:55,350 No, good for them. 1617 00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:55,420 Yeah. 1618 00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:58,190 I mean, not good for- ... but you know what I mean. Go ahead. 1619 00:53:58,390 --> 00:54:01,490 Big Pharma, big, big, big ag, big record companies. 1620 00:54:01,530 --> 00:54:02,970 This album is from Big Harma. 1621 00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:03,240 Big Harma. 1622 00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:04,910 This is Big Harmony. 1623 00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:08,270 Big Harmony. Awesome. All right, so we, what are we going on to now? 1624 00:54:08,310 --> 00:54:08,679 Time Out of My Mind. 1625 00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:09,330 Time Out of My Mind, man. 1626 00:54:09,350 --> 00:54:09,460 Yeah, let's do it. 1627 00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:11,150 Come on, let's get to it. 1628 00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:15,950 Uh, come on! Another great 1629 00:54:16,090 --> 00:54:16,910 start. 1630 00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:17,950 Oh, my God. 1631 00:54:18,010 --> 00:54:20,210 They're the masters of the great and weird starts. 1632 00:54:20,250 --> 00:54:21,250 I just wanna old man dance. 1633 00:54:21,310 --> 00:54:22,700 Yeah. 1634 00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:27,720 Back to a Wendel-less track. 1635 00:54:27,830 --> 00:54:28,160 Dancing in one of those- 1636 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,300 Yeah, you're dancing... There's no windows 1637 00:54:29,310 --> 00:54:30,770 ... fold-out lawn chairs, you know? 1638 00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:32,240 Oh, little rock on the- 1639 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,390 I got a cigar. I got a little hat, just sitting on a 1640 00:54:34,450 --> 00:54:36,830 sidewalk. 1641 00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:38,730 This is your chance to 1642 00:54:38,830 --> 00:54:42,520 believe. What 1643 00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:44,150 I've got to say- 1644 00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:47,330 Kind of just described the old dudes from Do the Right Thing, didn't I? 1645 00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:52,650 Put a dollar in the kitty. 1646 00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:55,820 Don't be rude or pretty. 1647 00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:56,970 Uh. 1648 00:54:58,394 --> 00:54:59,894 ... chasing the dragon! 1649 00:55:00,033 --> 00:55:01,094 So good. 1650 00:55:01,194 --> 00:55:01,274 Oh- 1651 00:55:01,294 --> 00:55:02,254 What, chasing the dragon? 1652 00:55:02,294 --> 00:55:03,462 Change the cherry wine. 1653 00:55:03,493 --> 00:55:05,933 It could be good for a minute. It's good until it's not good, you know what I'm 1654 00:55:05,973 --> 00:55:07,053 saying? 1655 00:55:07,094 --> 00:55:08,533 Oh, my night of 1656 00:55:08,544 --> 00:55:12,074 night. 1657 00:55:12,084 --> 00:55:15,254 Got a little Michael McDonald BGs on this, Valerie Simpson, Patti 1658 00:55:15,334 --> 00:55:16,114 Austin. 1659 00:55:16,134 --> 00:55:17,044 We can miss the- 1660 00:55:17,053 --> 00:55:18,794 Ah, woo! 1661 00:55:19,933 --> 00:55:19,944 Oh. 1662 00:55:19,944 --> 00:55:20,924 And the horns on this track. 1663 00:55:20,924 --> 00:55:22,714 The horns are killing it. 1664 00:55:22,734 --> 00:55:23,104 And the night is almost- 1665 00:55:23,104 --> 00:55:25,243 So this is Rob Mounsey, the guy, the pianist who's on a lot of this. 1666 00:55:25,254 --> 00:55:26,394 Do the horn arrangements on this. 1667 00:55:26,404 --> 00:55:27,433 Yeah, he's crushing this, too. 1668 00:55:27,674 --> 00:55:31,374 Yeah. Sanborn, Ronnie Cuber on bari. 1669 00:55:31,433 --> 00:55:32,854 Couldn't be happy. 1670 00:55:32,913 --> 00:55:35,683 Michael Brecker, Randy Brecker, of course. 1671 00:55:35,683 --> 00:55:35,683 Oh. 1672 00:55:35,694 --> 00:55:37,354 Life. 1673 00:55:38,734 --> 00:55:40,013 Ah, yeah. 1674 00:55:40,033 --> 00:55:40,104 Factious- 1675 00:55:40,114 --> 00:55:41,834 Amazing, man. 1676 00:55:41,854 --> 00:55:42,044 Plays- 1677 00:55:42,074 --> 00:55:43,303 Another good headphone listen. 1678 00:55:43,334 --> 00:55:45,033 Yeah, yeah. 1679 00:55:45,094 --> 00:55:45,183 High. 1680 00:55:45,183 --> 00:55:47,214 High five, fo' fum. I'll meet you there. 1681 00:55:47,354 --> 00:55:47,663 High five. 1682 00:55:48,274 --> 00:55:48,854 Fo' fum. 1683 00:55:48,924 --> 00:55:52,894 Chasing the dragon. The water may change the 1684 00:55:52,973 --> 00:55:56,734 cherry wine, and the silver will turn to 1685 00:55:56,874 --> 00:55:57,953 oh, tyna 1686 00:55:58,094 --> 00:56:01,754 night. 1687 00:56:01,953 --> 00:56:03,533 Tyna night. 1688 00:56:05,993 --> 00:56:08,334 Mark Knopfler. 1689 00:56:12,734 --> 00:56:21,774 That's 1690 00:56:21,783 --> 00:56:22,703 some Michael McDonald influence there. 1691 00:56:22,703 --> 00:56:23,794 Sounds like Weather Report. 1692 00:56:23,854 --> 00:56:25,154 Yeah, yeah. 1693 00:56:28,694 --> 00:56:31,714 Mark Knopfler on, on lead guitar. 1694 00:56:31,774 --> 00:56:33,444 Like, there's definitely some Birdland vibes happening. 1695 00:56:33,493 --> 00:56:38,513 Yeah. 1696 00:56:41,094 --> 00:56:43,294 And this is like Stage Band when I was in middle school. 1697 00:56:43,303 --> 00:56:43,303 Yeah. 1698 00:56:43,314 --> 00:56:45,064 Like, we wish we could've played this good. 1699 00:56:45,094 --> 00:56:45,104 Yeah. 1700 00:56:45,104 --> 00:56:45,354 You know? 1701 00:56:45,413 --> 00:56:46,783 No Stage Band sounded like this. 1702 00:56:47,694 --> 00:56:49,394 We thought we did. 1703 00:56:51,953 --> 00:56:53,723 Those middle school band directors pretended like we did. 1704 00:56:53,734 --> 00:56:57,493 Yeah. Pat Williams. 1705 00:56:58,094 --> 00:56:59,694 Happy life. 1706 00:56:59,703 --> 00:57:00,263 The McDonald's- 1707 00:57:00,263 --> 00:57:00,263 McDonald- 1708 00:57:00,263 --> 00:57:00,614 ... McDonald's! 1709 00:57:01,294 --> 00:57:02,214 He, like, takes over. 1710 00:57:02,413 --> 00:57:04,013 Can you back that up real quick? 1711 00:57:04,074 --> 00:57:04,594 Oh, it's so good. 1712 00:57:04,694 --> 00:57:05,594 That was the most- 1713 00:57:05,604 --> 00:57:05,694 I forgot 1714 00:57:06,053 --> 00:57:07,734 ... Michael McDonald moment. 1715 00:57:10,033 --> 00:57:11,064 Life. 1716 00:57:11,094 --> 00:57:14,953 Did McDonald just sing more than Fagen did on the entire album? 1717 00:57:14,973 --> 00:57:15,823 More soulful even. 1718 00:57:15,953 --> 00:57:17,604 I could use, like, four more moments of that. 1719 00:57:17,614 --> 00:57:19,314 It was nice. How did they leave that in? 1720 00:57:19,453 --> 00:57:21,973 Amazing. I don't know. 1721 00:57:22,054 --> 00:57:23,794 Back when I chased the dragon- 1722 00:57:23,814 --> 00:57:25,384 Fagen's like, "Who did that?" 1723 00:57:25,433 --> 00:57:25,694 Water- 1724 00:57:25,814 --> 00:57:26,504 Is that Patti Austin? 1725 00:57:26,573 --> 00:57:29,354 Change the cherry wine, and the silver- 1726 00:57:29,374 --> 00:57:31,524 Okay, so what's great about this, this is a killer track. 1727 00:57:31,554 --> 00:57:34,553 By the way, shout out to Michael McDonald, 'cause from like 1728 00:57:34,594 --> 00:57:38,114 '75 to '84, he's on everybody's album. 1729 00:57:38,134 --> 00:57:38,143 I know. 1730 00:57:38,154 --> 00:57:41,573 He's making his own albums, making the best music of his life, and he's playing on 1731 00:57:41,654 --> 00:57:42,933 every... singing on everybody's stuff. 1732 00:57:43,054 --> 00:57:46,594 I know. Apparently, he was on the cruise the week before I was, in jazz, killing it 1733 00:57:46,654 --> 00:57:47,214 with, um, 1734 00:57:48,194 --> 00:57:49,013 David Foster. 1735 00:57:50,274 --> 00:57:50,654 Man. 1736 00:57:50,663 --> 00:57:54,533 Man, so what's fun about this, um, Mark Knopfler doing the, the great 1737 00:57:54,814 --> 00:57:58,413 guitar stuff here and there, um, he describes this as, like, 1738 00:57:58,473 --> 00:58:00,473 easygoing, and like, "We're in Southern California. 1739 00:58:00,513 --> 00:58:03,533 Got the, got the lawn chair out, a little rust on there. That's okay. 1740 00:58:03,573 --> 00:58:07,094 You might get a little botulism, but it's all good." Um, "But you're sitting out 1741 00:58:07,154 --> 00:58:10,394 there. This is, this is, like, easy yachting. We're..." Right? 1742 00:58:10,413 --> 00:58:10,513 But- 1743 00:58:10,533 --> 00:58:12,493 Botulism? They pay for that now, you know. 1744 00:58:12,513 --> 00:58:12,953 They pay for that? 1745 00:58:12,993 --> 00:58:13,493 It's Botox. 1746 00:58:13,554 --> 00:58:14,114 Okay. 1747 00:58:15,114 --> 00:58:18,804 Um, he describes the session not as easygoing. He says- ... 1748 00:58:18,804 --> 00:58:21,944 "This was like getting into a swimming pool with lead weights tied to my boots." 1749 00:58:21,953 --> 00:58:21,964 Oh, my God. 1750 00:58:21,973 --> 00:58:23,234 That's how he describes the session. 1751 00:58:23,243 --> 00:58:23,243 Okay. 1752 00:58:23,254 --> 00:58:24,464 That's how exacting they were. 1753 00:58:24,493 --> 00:58:26,294 Well, let's talk about this. So we- 1754 00:58:26,304 --> 00:58:26,834 We're, we're talking about it 1755 00:58:26,844 --> 00:58:30,734 ... we've already hinted around to this with the Wendel, and you know, the Wendel 1756 00:58:30,774 --> 00:58:33,413 was there because Steve Gadd couldn't play it good enough. 1757 00:58:33,473 --> 00:58:33,763 I know, right. 1758 00:58:33,774 --> 00:58:34,433 You know what I'm saying? 1759 00:58:34,473 --> 00:58:34,734 Right. 1760 00:58:34,794 --> 00:58:38,174 In Donald Fagen's mind. Like, this album is a monument to 1761 00:58:38,234 --> 00:58:40,334 perfectionism, as I said in the intro, because- 1762 00:58:40,394 --> 00:58:43,334 But was it that he couldn't play it good enough, or was it that he couldn't play 1763 00:58:43,374 --> 00:58:45,413 exactly what Fagen and Becker- 1764 00:58:45,533 --> 00:58:45,834 That's, that's right 1765 00:58:45,874 --> 00:58:46,614 ... to a certain degree- 1766 00:58:46,654 --> 00:58:46,814 That's right 1767 00:58:46,834 --> 00:58:48,614 ... had in, in mind? 1768 00:58:48,654 --> 00:58:49,314 That's, that's the one. 1769 00:58:49,334 --> 00:58:51,274 So maybe they couldn't describe it or... I don't know. 1770 00:58:51,294 --> 00:58:53,413 But it, but they were so uncompromising- 1771 00:58:53,433 --> 00:58:53,554 Yeah 1772 00:58:53,674 --> 00:58:56,374 ... in this process, throughout the recording process, apparently throughout the 1773 00:58:56,453 --> 00:58:59,044 mixing process. The mixing process, like, you know, I've... 1774 00:58:59,073 --> 00:59:02,993 I heard rumors of, like, 40 takes trying to get the exact right fade-out 1775 00:59:03,033 --> 00:59:04,194 on Babylon Sisters. 1776 00:59:04,214 --> 00:59:05,394 There was more. It was, like, 50-something. 1777 00:59:05,453 --> 00:59:06,294 On the fade-out? 1778 00:59:06,334 --> 00:59:06,953 Yeah. 1779 00:59:06,993 --> 00:59:08,554 You know, just to get the right one- 1780 00:59:08,564 --> 00:59:08,703 Like, when you get started- 1781 00:59:08,703 --> 00:59:09,394 ... that they're hearing 1782 00:59:09,453 --> 00:59:09,854 ... and the length of it, yeah. 1783 00:59:09,933 --> 00:59:12,734 I mean, listen, I love this level of detail. 1784 00:59:12,754 --> 00:59:12,823 Yeah. 1785 00:59:12,834 --> 00:59:13,194 But 1786 00:59:14,234 --> 00:59:17,993 does it rob it of some kind of organic, organic chemistry? 1787 00:59:18,064 --> 00:59:20,272 Would we have gotten a 15 more Michael McDonald 1788 00:59:21,094 --> 00:59:22,993 soulful runs at the end of phrases- 1789 00:59:23,294 --> 00:59:23,394 Right 1790 00:59:23,413 --> 00:59:25,794 ... if they would've just let some shit go a little more? I don't know, man. 1791 00:59:25,834 --> 00:59:29,433 Well, some stuff slipped through by either by luck or good fortune. 1792 00:59:29,453 --> 00:59:33,384 This is Gary Katz, the producer, talking about Gaucho and, 1793 00:59:33,394 --> 00:59:35,134 and how he ended up saving it. 1794 00:59:35,174 --> 00:59:37,814 Donald and Walter would write songs, we'd record 'em. 1795 00:59:37,874 --> 00:59:41,254 Every once in a while, if he couldn't get a track he 1796 00:59:41,334 --> 00:59:43,634 liked, he discarded the song. 1797 00:59:43,734 --> 00:59:44,274 Wow. 1798 00:59:44,354 --> 00:59:44,973 Wow. 1799 00:59:45,013 --> 00:59:48,933 His feeling was, "We have the greatest musicians in the world. 1800 00:59:48,993 --> 00:59:52,913 If they can't play it the way I like it, something's wrong with the 1801 00:59:52,953 --> 00:59:53,374 song." 1802 00:59:53,453 --> 00:59:53,913 Amazing. 1803 00:59:53,953 --> 00:59:57,263 It was absurd. But we lost songs over the years 1804 00:59:57,734 --> 00:59:58,413 because of it. 1805 00:59:59,114 --> 00:59:59,124 Yes. 1806 00:59:59,124 --> 01:00:02,993 No matter how hard I would fight for a certain song or so, he 1807 01:00:03,013 --> 01:00:05,814 would say, "We're done. Next song." 1808 01:00:06,674 --> 01:00:09,694 When we got to Gaucho, they couldn't get a 1809 01:00:09,734 --> 01:00:12,484 track. It was Jeffrey and Rainey, and 1810 01:00:13,814 --> 01:00:14,964 I can't remember- 1811 01:00:14,993 --> 01:00:15,533 Jeff Porcaro. 1812 01:00:15,573 --> 01:00:15,864 Jeff Porcaro- 1813 01:00:15,913 --> 01:00:16,433 Chuck Rainey 1814 01:00:16,453 --> 01:00:17,073 ... and Chuck Rainey. 1815 01:00:17,114 --> 01:00:17,674 Can't get it. 1816 01:00:18,214 --> 01:00:21,374 And so we get, got to, "Okay, we're done with this track." I said, "Oh, 1817 01:00:21,433 --> 01:00:24,993 no. No, no. I'm not losing this track. 1818 01:00:25,033 --> 01:00:25,444 I don't care 1819 01:00:26,254 --> 01:00:29,144 go home if you want. I'm not losing this track." 1820 01:00:29,194 --> 01:00:30,634 Amazing. 1821 01:00:30,714 --> 01:00:32,634 So they did, they left. 1822 01:00:32,694 --> 01:00:32,904 Wow. 1823 01:00:32,913 --> 01:00:35,734 And it was me and Roger and Elliot- 1824 01:00:35,794 --> 01:00:37,114 The, the two engineers 1825 01:00:37,234 --> 01:00:37,783 ... and Jeffrey. No other band member. 1826 01:00:37,783 --> 01:00:38,714 Drummer. Wow. 1827 01:00:38,734 --> 01:00:40,754 Jeffrey just played to a click track 1828 01:00:42,594 --> 01:00:43,573 85 times. 1829 01:00:43,694 --> 01:00:45,154 Oh, my God! 1830 01:00:45,163 --> 01:00:45,163 85 times. 1831 01:00:45,214 --> 01:00:46,033 Donald! 1832 01:00:46,073 --> 01:00:49,194 And I had a chart, and I would mark the chart- 1833 01:00:49,394 --> 01:00:50,073 Oh, Donald wasn't there 1834 01:00:50,094 --> 01:00:53,433 ... "I love these two bars. These four bars are good. 1835 01:00:53,453 --> 01:00:57,413 These two bars are good." And Roger, I 1836 01:00:57,493 --> 01:00:59,073 think there were 35- 1837 01:00:59,286 --> 01:00:59,846 ... edits- 1838 01:00:59,906 --> 01:01:00,626 Oh, my God. 1839 01:01:00,636 --> 01:01:03,046 - in the tape to make the one track. 1840 01:01:03,086 --> 01:01:04,786 This, that one must've been a hell of a Pro Tools session. 1841 01:01:04,796 --> 01:01:05,196 About 6:00 in the morning- 1842 01:01:05,226 --> 01:01:06,366 Joking, they were using tape! 1843 01:01:06,386 --> 01:01:07,626 I called Fagen. I said, "Okay- 1844 01:01:07,636 --> 01:01:07,636 Okay. 1845 01:01:07,636 --> 01:01:10,346 "... they got a track." You know, he sort of laughed at me. 1846 01:01:10,366 --> 01:01:13,486 He got Walter, they came over, and he said, "Okay, we'll use 1847 01:01:13,546 --> 01:01:14,846 it." 1848 01:01:14,856 --> 01:01:15,486 "Okay, you got it." 1849 01:01:15,505 --> 01:01:17,916 No, I said Donald, because, like, you know, they're, they're in... 1850 01:01:17,926 --> 01:01:19,996 This is in response to just him not being satisfied- 1851 01:01:20,046 --> 01:01:20,226 Right 1852 01:01:20,236 --> 01:01:21,106 ... with anything they're getting. 1853 01:01:21,246 --> 01:01:21,496 Right. 1854 01:01:21,496 --> 01:01:25,286 And they, they have to, like, send him home and do it 85 times to pull 1855 01:01:25,466 --> 01:01:29,406 35 different takes together for one track of the Gaucho 1856 01:01:29,746 --> 01:01:30,586 drum track. 1857 01:01:30,606 --> 01:01:32,956 It's a damn good track. It's a damn good track. I'm not saying it's not. 1858 01:01:32,966 --> 01:01:34,376 I'm not saying it didn't work, but it- 1859 01:01:34,486 --> 01:01:34,766 No, I know 1860 01:01:34,986 --> 01:01:35,016 ... damn! 1861 01:01:35,026 --> 01:01:37,296 But, but so did it... Well, obviously, it worked. Is this... 1862 01:01:37,306 --> 01:01:40,075 Well, what's interesting about this, you, if you kind of step back and look at, 1863 01:01:40,106 --> 01:01:43,575 like, where Steely Dan was on this record, certainly Aja before this, 1864 01:01:43,646 --> 01:01:47,356 um, Pretzel Logic. I mean, m- m- maybe just who they were- 1865 01:01:47,406 --> 01:01:47,526 Yeah 1866 01:01:47,536 --> 01:01:51,506 ... as a band or a production duo is what maybe more of what they were at this 1867 01:01:51,526 --> 01:01:54,836 point. Creative juices flowing through, like, "How do we piece this stuff 1868 01:01:54,886 --> 01:01:58,566 together?" Like, they took so much from jazz 1869 01:01:58,575 --> 01:02:01,006 famously. Like, they said... What, what, how did they describe themselves? 1870 01:02:01,046 --> 01:02:02,746 Dinky kid jazz fans. 1871 01:02:02,786 --> 01:02:03,306 Yeah. 1872 01:02:03,486 --> 01:02:05,376 Um, harmonically- 1873 01:02:05,406 --> 01:02:06,076 Yeah, for sure. 1874 01:02:06,086 --> 01:02:08,126 But that's kind of it. 1875 01:02:08,146 --> 01:02:09,186 No, melodically, too. 1876 01:02:09,206 --> 01:02:13,046 Melodically, yeah, to a certain degree, but, um, but not from, 1877 01:02:13,086 --> 01:02:16,126 like, the common vernacular that would've been around at that time, bebop or 1878 01:02:16,166 --> 01:02:17,646 post-bop or whatever. More 1879 01:02:18,486 --> 01:02:21,346 maybe from Great American Songbook a little bit, but, I mean, certainly har- 1880 01:02:21,366 --> 01:02:23,806 harmonic- That's like when people are like, "Oh, my God, that's jazz," or, "That's 1881 01:02:23,846 --> 01:02:26,026 like, sounds like Weather Report," it's, it's like the harmony. 1882 01:02:26,046 --> 01:02:27,566 It's, it's like what jumps out at you. 1883 01:02:27,606 --> 01:02:30,746 But the attitude towards playing music, like in jazz, we're 1884 01:02:30,786 --> 01:02:33,026 typically... You know, if you're in there with, you know- 1885 01:02:33,046 --> 01:02:33,396 Well done, maybe 1886 01:02:33,426 --> 01:02:36,506 ... Steve Gadd. Well, not only that, it's like, "Oh, I'm a Steve Gadd." So I've got 1887 01:02:36,606 --> 01:02:39,546 Elvin Jones, the equivalent of Steve Gadd for a jazz drummer. 1888 01:02:39,586 --> 01:02:42,156 Like, you're not gonna be like, "Play it 85 times, and I'm gonna piece together 1889 01:02:42,206 --> 01:02:45,936 your best," you... It's like, "You know, I've ima- imagined 1890 01:02:45,966 --> 01:02:49,766 it... I imagine what this could be, but you're bringing in what it can 1891 01:02:49,846 --> 01:02:52,926 even be beyond what I could possibly imagine." That's what John Coltrane would've 1892 01:02:52,966 --> 01:02:54,406 been like. "Do your thing- 1893 01:02:54,426 --> 01:02:54,546 Yeah 1894 01:02:54,556 --> 01:02:56,916 ... and we're gonna capture the magic." And so, like, this is almost 1895 01:02:57,746 --> 01:02:59,486 180 degrees in the other direction. 1896 01:02:59,496 --> 01:03:03,326 It's like, "Yes, you're great, but we gotta do 85 times for you 1897 01:03:03,366 --> 01:03:05,516 because you're not great every measure." 1898 01:03:05,526 --> 01:03:05,796 But you're- 1899 01:03:05,796 --> 01:03:09,795 You're 99.9. We're gonna find those 100% and put it together to what is 1900 01:03:09,806 --> 01:03:10,926 gonna become a great track. 1901 01:03:10,986 --> 01:03:13,615 You know what, striking me about, about what you're saying here, Peter, is you're 1902 01:03:13,706 --> 01:03:17,326 absolutely right, but, you know, there's also, like... 1903 01:03:17,386 --> 01:03:21,206 It's been heading towards the perfectionism in making records, you 1904 01:03:21,246 --> 01:03:22,895 know, since the late '60s, really. 1905 01:03:22,895 --> 01:03:22,895 Yeah. 1906 01:03:22,906 --> 01:03:26,476 Since, like, The Beatles are making, you know, the White Album and, and Let It Be, 1907 01:03:26,506 --> 01:03:28,895 and Abbey Road. It's like we are... 1908 01:03:28,906 --> 01:03:32,666 You know, the '70s was this art of Stevie and- 1909 01:03:32,675 --> 01:03:32,675 Yeah 1910 01:03:32,675 --> 01:03:36,406 ... Steely Dan and Michael Jackson, like, making these records more, 1911 01:03:36,426 --> 01:03:38,076 and, and Earth, Wind & Fire. 1912 01:03:38,076 --> 01:03:40,235 Yeah, but Steely Dan was... They were at another level with just- 1913 01:03:40,346 --> 01:03:40,656 At a whole other 1914 01:03:40,656 --> 01:03:41,386 ... piecing it together- 1915 01:03:41,395 --> 01:03:41,706 For sure 1916 01:03:41,726 --> 01:03:42,166 ... and perfection. 1917 01:03:42,206 --> 01:03:42,336 Yeah. 1918 01:03:42,386 --> 01:03:44,115 I mean, maybe Quincy and Michael for... 1919 01:03:44,126 --> 01:03:45,926 I mean, Michael Jackson definitely had that. 1920 01:03:46,086 --> 01:03:49,666 I mean, Stevie, like, was, like, went through a lot of stuff and tried a lot of 1921 01:03:49,706 --> 01:03:51,046 things, but then it would be like- 1922 01:03:51,086 --> 01:03:52,316 The raw take of him playing drums. 1923 01:03:52,366 --> 01:03:52,546 Yeah. 1924 01:03:52,566 --> 01:03:52,576 Yeah. 1925 01:03:52,586 --> 01:03:55,746 Like, Superstition, I think, is like one time thing, one time through with him, 1926 01:03:55,766 --> 01:03:56,536 like, once he got it, it was like- 1927 01:03:56,546 --> 01:03:58,256 Not even a, a track that he's playing. 1928 01:03:58,286 --> 01:03:59,606 Yeah, he's not... He's just laying that down- 1929 01:03:59,646 --> 01:03:59,796 Yeah, yeah 1930 01:03:59,796 --> 01:04:02,366 ... and then goes. So, like, and, and it would move pretty quick. 1931 01:04:02,426 --> 01:04:02,986 Yeah. 1932 01:04:03,026 --> 01:04:03,346 But, uh- 1933 01:04:03,366 --> 01:04:04,336 They are taking it to a different level. 1934 01:04:04,366 --> 01:04:05,175 It's just a different way of doing it. 1935 01:04:05,175 --> 01:04:05,816 This is what I'm saying. 1936 01:04:05,816 --> 01:04:06,186 I'm not saying right or wrong. 1937 01:04:06,206 --> 01:04:09,156 I don't know of any other, even of Aja, the... 1938 01:04:09,206 --> 01:04:13,136 I don't know any other recording that is so, like, people talk 1939 01:04:13,206 --> 01:04:17,086 about it as legendary as this, of, like, just, you know, the, the, the 1940 01:04:17,126 --> 01:04:20,926 demand for, for the perfect thing that's coming out of their heads, and they, they 1941 01:04:20,966 --> 01:04:23,096 are uncompromising with how they're gonna get there. 1942 01:04:23,106 --> 01:04:23,416 Yeah. 1943 01:04:23,446 --> 01:04:24,666 It's pretty incredible. 1944 01:04:24,686 --> 01:04:27,406 All right, can we move on to some ch- some, um, categories? 1945 01:04:27,416 --> 01:04:28,576 'Cause we'll be able to kind of fold in- 1946 01:04:28,666 --> 01:04:28,675 Yeah 1947 01:04:28,675 --> 01:04:29,006 ... the last couple tracks. 1948 01:04:29,026 --> 01:04:29,406 Yeah, sure. 1949 01:04:29,426 --> 01:04:32,066 And also just this issue, since you brought it up, Aja. 1950 01:04:32,146 --> 01:04:35,696 Like, is this... I mean, the, the elephant in the room, um, 1951 01:04:35,926 --> 01:04:39,106 the, the elephant in the Custer dome, Hoops McCann sitting in Custer Dome- 1952 01:04:39,366 --> 01:04:39,406 Mm 1953 01:04:39,486 --> 01:04:43,006 ... is, like, is this better than Aja? Is this more perfect? 1954 01:04:43,016 --> 01:04:43,016 Is this- 1955 01:04:43,046 --> 01:04:44,666 We don't have to do that, but we will do it. 1956 01:04:44,706 --> 01:04:47,266 We don't have to, but we... Yeah, exactly. 1957 01:04:47,346 --> 01:04:49,346 I like to think of it... I mean, we were just talking about The Beatles. 1958 01:04:49,406 --> 01:04:53,276 I was thinking about The Beatles' albums in succession the other day, and, 1959 01:04:53,326 --> 01:04:57,266 like, it's almost more enjoyable for me, at this point, with 1960 01:04:57,326 --> 01:05:00,006 these bands, especially these great bands, to think about it as just, like, one 1961 01:05:00,046 --> 01:05:00,866 continuous thing- 1962 01:05:00,876 --> 01:05:00,876 Mm 1963 01:05:00,876 --> 01:05:01,996 ... that's happening. You know what I mean? 1964 01:05:02,026 --> 01:05:02,716 And so, and- 1965 01:05:02,726 --> 01:05:04,186 Well, I won't box you into the better than Aja- 1966 01:05:04,196 --> 01:05:04,196 Okay 1967 01:05:04,196 --> 01:05:06,086 ... 'cause that's gonna be our category, but I'll just say- 1968 01:05:06,226 --> 01:05:06,446 It's gonna be a category. 1969 01:05:06,466 --> 01:05:07,386 Yeah. No, yeah, it is. 1970 01:05:07,396 --> 01:05:07,396 Sure. 1971 01:05:07,426 --> 01:05:08,656 No, but let me ask you first. 1972 01:05:08,656 --> 01:05:08,666 Sure, okay. 1973 01:05:08,686 --> 01:05:12,536 Like, let's answer, is this a more perfect album than A- 1974 01:05:12,536 --> 01:05:14,266 Aja, famously, because of the production- 1975 01:05:14,326 --> 01:05:14,636 Yeah, yeah 1976 01:05:14,666 --> 01:05:16,746 ... and we tackled this last year, and, and of course- 1977 01:05:16,846 --> 01:05:16,996 I think so 1978 01:05:16,996 --> 01:05:17,786 ... this is a ridiculous thing. 1979 01:05:17,846 --> 01:05:18,406 It is more perfect. 1980 01:05:18,426 --> 01:05:19,686 Is it even more precise? Is it even more- 1981 01:05:19,746 --> 01:05:20,486 It's more precise. 1982 01:05:20,525 --> 01:05:21,336 Maybe a little more inaccessible. 1983 01:05:21,336 --> 01:05:22,736 This is one of the most precise albums I've ever heard. 1984 01:05:22,746 --> 01:05:23,026 Yeah. 1985 01:05:23,046 --> 01:05:23,166 Yeah. 1986 01:05:23,206 --> 01:05:27,046 I would agree. I totally agree, and I would say that, you know, that what 1987 01:05:27,086 --> 01:05:30,726 this doesn't have, it has some cool soloing on it, but it doesn't have- 1988 01:05:30,806 --> 01:05:31,326 It doesn't have Wayne Shorter. 1989 01:05:31,366 --> 01:05:33,095 It doesn't have Wayne Shorter, and not only... It's got great... 1990 01:05:33,126 --> 01:05:34,406 I mean, it's got Michael Brecker, but he- 1991 01:05:34,446 --> 01:05:34,686 Yeah 1992 01:05:34,706 --> 01:05:35,626 ... he's never cutting loose. 1993 01:05:35,646 --> 01:05:35,966 That's right. 1994 01:05:36,006 --> 01:05:39,236 Like, so this is an even more, like, controlled album. 1995 01:05:39,306 --> 01:05:39,546 Very- 1996 01:05:39,566 --> 01:05:39,716 Great- 1997 01:05:39,716 --> 01:05:40,736 Controlled is a great word for this album. 1998 01:05:40,746 --> 01:05:43,446 Killer album, vibey album. I mean, look, if I'm- 1999 01:05:43,456 --> 01:05:44,346 Vibey, yes, man. 2000 01:05:44,356 --> 01:05:46,626 Like I said, if we're driving in Southern California with our debit card rental 2001 01:05:46,706 --> 01:05:46,796 car- 2002 01:05:46,866 --> 01:05:46,926 Right 2003 01:05:47,126 --> 01:05:48,926 ... we're, we're listening to this, my friend. 2004 01:05:48,966 --> 01:05:49,286 Putting on a little- 2005 01:05:49,296 --> 01:05:52,686 A New York City... A record made by a bunch of New York City guys in New York. 2006 01:05:52,706 --> 01:05:54,266 That's what we're listening to. 2007 01:05:54,286 --> 01:05:55,066 For sure. 2008 01:05:55,126 --> 01:05:56,906 Okay, let's talk about desert island tracks. 2009 01:05:56,966 --> 01:05:57,486 Okay. 2010 01:05:57,546 --> 01:06:00,006 Um, I've got Babylon Sisters. We listened to it. It's the first track. 2011 01:06:00,066 --> 01:06:02,176 I wrestled with this because there's a lot of great stuff on here. 2012 01:06:02,206 --> 01:06:03,066 I think it's a great call. 2013 01:06:03,126 --> 01:06:03,946 Yeah. What do you got? 2014 01:06:04,006 --> 01:06:04,846 I have Hey 19. 2015 01:06:04,866 --> 01:06:05,316 You have Hey 19? 2016 01:06:05,406 --> 01:06:05,816 I have Hey 19. 2017 01:06:05,846 --> 01:06:06,316 Okay. 2018 01:06:06,346 --> 01:06:06,496 You know, I- 2019 01:06:06,506 --> 01:06:07,586 So they stack the first two- 2020 01:06:07,706 --> 01:06:08,006 I'm a pop- 2021 01:06:08,016 --> 01:06:09,546 ... tracks at least with the, with the best, right? 2022 01:06:09,586 --> 01:06:12,676 Yeah, I mean, I'm a pop bro, buddy, and, and this is the- it's the poppiest track, 2023 01:06:12,706 --> 01:06:13,586 and I just- 2024 01:06:13,646 --> 01:06:13,706 Yeah 2025 01:06:13,716 --> 01:06:14,726 ... I love it so much. 2026 01:06:14,746 --> 01:06:18,366 That's good. Um, so let's talk about apex moments 2027 01:06:18,466 --> 01:06:22,426 next, because this will lead us to, um, this next track. 2028 01:06:22,526 --> 01:06:26,486 I have actually, you know, My Rival, which is the next track, which is, I 2029 01:06:26,506 --> 01:06:30,266 think is a little bit lost on this record, being the second to last on the B side. 2030 01:06:30,306 --> 01:06:30,906 Incredible track. 2031 01:06:30,986 --> 01:06:33,626 I think it's an incredible track, and can we just sort of start listening at the 2032 01:06:33,666 --> 01:06:37,086 beginning? I don't know if... My, my apex moment is towards the end, so if you want 2033 01:06:37,126 --> 01:06:40,246 us to jump ahead. Ah! 2034 01:06:43,966 --> 01:06:46,716 Man, every track on this record starts great. 2035 01:06:46,766 --> 01:06:49,186 Damn. 2036 01:06:50,366 --> 01:07:00,286 Ah. 2037 01:07:01,906 --> 01:07:02,266 Guitar 2038 01:07:02,326 --> 01:07:09,406 accoutrement.... 2039 01:07:09,416 --> 01:07:13,296 percussion. Ralph McDonald, 2040 01:07:13,356 --> 01:07:13,456 yeah. 2041 01:07:13,596 --> 01:07:17,196 The wind was driving in my face, the smell of 2042 01:07:17,236 --> 01:07:19,196 prickly pear. 2043 01:07:19,206 --> 01:07:19,226 My rival- 2044 01:07:19,256 --> 01:07:20,216 Prickly pear! 2045 01:07:20,376 --> 01:07:21,856 Showed me my ride. 2046 01:07:22,796 --> 01:07:25,756 The milk truck eased into my space. 2047 01:07:25,896 --> 01:07:29,876 Somebody screamed somewhere. 2048 01:07:32,016 --> 01:07:34,976 I struck a match against the door 2049 01:07:35,776 --> 01:07:38,816 of Anthony's Bar and Grill. 2050 01:07:38,856 --> 01:07:40,356 You wanna meet at Anthony's Bar and Grill later? 2051 01:07:40,396 --> 01:07:41,785 There's no equivalent to this music. 2052 01:07:41,796 --> 01:07:42,036 I know. 2053 01:07:42,076 --> 01:07:42,936 You know what I mean? There's- 2054 01:07:43,776 --> 01:07:44,876 I was the one- 2055 01:07:44,936 --> 01:07:47,116 You can call it in the yacht rock genre or whatever. 2056 01:07:47,156 --> 01:07:49,576 Jazzy yacht rock. Jazzy yacht rock fusion. 2057 01:07:49,616 --> 01:07:52,376 They're really a one-of-one kind of band. 2058 01:07:52,496 --> 01:07:54,476 I've got detectives and K- 2059 01:07:54,536 --> 01:07:56,716 Wendel sounds pretty good on this track. This is Wendel. 2060 01:07:56,736 --> 01:07:57,696 This is another Wendel track. 2061 01:07:57,716 --> 01:08:00,396 It says Steve Gadd, but it... I don't know if there's anything. 2062 01:08:00,456 --> 01:08:01,736 It does sound awesome, actually. 2063 01:08:01,776 --> 01:08:02,256 Yeah. 2064 01:08:02,266 --> 01:08:02,266 Yeah. 2065 01:08:02,296 --> 01:08:03,256 He's got a scar- 2066 01:08:03,296 --> 01:08:05,356 Because every little detail- 2067 01:08:05,396 --> 01:08:08,936 He wears a peering aim 2068 01:08:09,016 --> 01:08:10,216 ... it gives it space. 2069 01:08:11,736 --> 01:08:15,136 Sure, he's a Jolly 2070 01:08:15,256 --> 01:08:16,076 Roger 2071 01:08:17,116 --> 01:08:20,956 until he answers for his crime. 2072 01:08:21,677 --> 01:08:25,496 Yes, I'll match him win for 2073 01:08:25,637 --> 01:08:27,217 win now. 2074 01:08:29,896 --> 01:08:31,476 Anthony Jackson on bass. 2075 01:08:31,656 --> 01:08:36,656 But 2076 01:08:36,717 --> 01:08:39,717 yeah, all the synth sounds on this album are amazing. 2077 01:08:39,757 --> 01:08:42,316 Yeah. Oh. 2078 01:08:44,816 --> 01:08:47,576 I still think it's Fagen playing it. 2079 01:08:51,036 --> 01:08:51,736 Fame. 2080 01:08:54,316 --> 01:08:55,576 Horns. 2081 01:08:57,156 --> 01:09:00,297 Tom Scott. Okay, I'm gonna jump ahead. 2082 01:09:00,356 --> 01:09:02,526 I know it's like, why are we doing this? But I, I wanna do... 2083 01:09:02,536 --> 01:09:04,806 Because the horns from here to the end, but I wanna jump specifically- 2084 01:09:04,816 --> 01:09:06,276 That's Steve Khan on the guitar there. 2085 01:09:06,316 --> 01:09:06,456 Yeah. 2086 01:09:06,467 --> 01:09:07,376 And Rick Derringer on drums. 2087 01:09:07,396 --> 01:09:11,217 So we're gonna jump to 3:30. Check out the horns from here to the end. 2088 01:09:11,236 --> 01:09:12,316 This is my apex moment. 2089 01:09:12,396 --> 01:09:13,056 Win for win 2090 01:09:13,137 --> 01:09:21,245 now. 2091 01:09:22,996 --> 01:09:23,757 Those voicings. 2092 01:09:25,717 --> 01:09:29,536 This is the most solo on this record, I think. 2093 01:09:29,576 --> 01:09:30,536 The leads is- 2094 01:09:35,156 --> 01:09:36,096 By, by the way- 2095 01:09:37,616 --> 01:09:37,717 Yeah 2096 01:09:37,837 --> 01:09:39,896 ... the horns on this album, just the horn players- 2097 01:09:39,936 --> 01:09:40,276 So killer 2098 01:09:40,286 --> 01:09:41,496 ... Michael Brecker, Randy Brecker- 2099 01:09:41,507 --> 01:09:41,507 Yeah 2100 01:09:41,516 --> 01:09:42,736 ... David Sanborn, Tom Scott. 2101 01:09:42,936 --> 01:09:43,025 Yeah. 2102 01:09:43,217 --> 01:09:43,956 That's pretty good. 2103 01:09:44,016 --> 01:09:44,297 Yeah. 2104 01:09:44,316 --> 01:09:45,717 That's pretty good. And they're, like you said- 2105 01:09:45,757 --> 01:09:47,896 And Ronnie Cuber is on one track on bari. 2106 01:09:47,976 --> 01:09:48,436 Um- 2107 01:09:48,456 --> 01:09:50,776 But there's no- there's not a lot of letting them loose. 2108 01:09:50,837 --> 01:09:51,876 No, there's none. 2109 01:09:51,887 --> 01:09:52,056 All four of those- 2110 01:09:52,076 --> 01:09:52,276 Yeah 2111 01:09:52,736 --> 01:09:53,936 ... players are badass players. 2112 01:09:53,976 --> 01:09:56,036 Yeah, who is this on guitar soloing? 2113 01:09:56,116 --> 01:09:56,406 Steve Khan. 2114 01:09:56,406 --> 01:09:57,576 Oh, Hiram Bullock? 2115 01:09:57,616 --> 01:09:58,796 On this track, it's Steve Khan. 2116 01:09:58,836 --> 01:09:59,596 Oh, Steve Khan. 2117 01:09:59,656 --> 01:09:59,996 Yeah. 2118 01:10:00,036 --> 01:10:02,956 Oh, I got... On this it says, yeah, oh, solo guitar, right. 2119 01:10:02,965 --> 01:10:02,965 Yeah. 2120 01:10:02,976 --> 01:10:04,696 But Hiram Bullock and Rick Derringer, too. 2121 01:10:04,716 --> 01:10:08,176 But yeah, the horns from this to the end, this is some of the best horn writing. 2122 01:10:08,856 --> 01:10:11,286 It's super simple, but... 2123 01:10:11,316 --> 01:10:13,116 Background. 2124 01:10:19,716 --> 01:10:21,745 Hey, we're going to the Smooth Jazz Festival in LA now. 2125 01:10:21,796 --> 01:10:24,616 Come on. 2126 01:10:31,546 --> 01:10:32,206 Bookend it. 2127 01:10:32,296 --> 01:10:33,396 Yeah, it's pretty great. 2128 01:10:33,406 --> 01:10:33,406 Yeah. 2129 01:10:33,436 --> 01:10:35,076 Okay, I, I, I gotta do it, man. 2130 01:10:35,116 --> 01:10:35,146 Yeah. 2131 01:10:35,176 --> 01:10:38,326 So every time I hear My Rival, I think of one thing, and this is kinda what I'm 2132 01:10:38,356 --> 01:10:42,016 talking about. So this would be, like, a good A/B comparison 2133 01:10:42,056 --> 01:10:45,876 between the perfection, the pristine 2134 01:10:45,996 --> 01:10:46,736 quality- 2135 01:10:46,756 --> 01:10:46,956 Mm 2136 01:10:47,136 --> 01:10:50,656 ... of Steely Dan, and a very similar vibe, but not 2137 01:10:50,696 --> 01:10:51,476 pristine. 2138 01:10:51,496 --> 01:10:54,116 Hmm. 2139 01:11:08,056 --> 01:11:08,326 Ah. 2140 01:11:12,636 --> 01:11:15,536 Man, it's like another planet, right? 2141 01:11:16,076 --> 01:11:20,416 When's 2142 01:11:20,456 --> 01:11:21,686 the Bowie episode being made? 2143 01:11:21,686 --> 01:11:22,756 Oh, man, we gotta do it. We gotta do it. 2144 01:11:22,796 --> 01:11:25,816 So that's Fame, obviously. I always think of Fame when I hear My Rival. 2145 01:11:25,836 --> 01:11:28,935 I'm not saying that they're like, you know, super, super-duper similar- 2146 01:11:29,136 --> 01:11:29,416 Right 2147 01:11:29,435 --> 01:11:29,875 ... but- 2148 01:11:30,616 --> 01:11:31,656 Same hair, 2149 01:11:33,296 --> 01:11:34,996 though. Another lawsuit. 2150 01:11:37,316 --> 01:11:38,396 Man, that's clean AF. 2151 01:11:38,456 --> 01:11:39,016 Clean! 2152 01:11:39,516 --> 01:11:42,556 When you compare it not to these other tracks, but to something like that- 2153 01:11:42,596 --> 01:11:43,306 Especially when we get to this. 2154 01:11:43,316 --> 01:11:45,326 Oh, could you imagine putting on, like, Sly and the Family... 2155 01:11:45,356 --> 01:11:47,356 I mean, it's like, oh. 2156 01:11:47,396 --> 01:11:48,596 It's like the clean version of- 2157 01:11:48,876 --> 01:11:50,006 But this is grooving. 2158 01:11:50,006 --> 01:11:50,416 Fame. It is groo- 2159 01:11:50,456 --> 01:11:50,466 Wendel- 2160 01:11:50,466 --> 01:11:51,356 I'm not saying it's not. 2161 01:11:51,396 --> 01:11:52,186 Listen, I'm not saying- 2162 01:11:52,186 --> 01:11:52,696 I'm not turning on Wendel. 2163 01:11:52,756 --> 01:11:53,445 I'm not saying it's not. 2164 01:11:53,445 --> 01:11:53,506 No, I know. 2165 01:11:53,506 --> 01:11:54,726 I'm just saying, like, there's this, like- 2166 01:11:54,736 --> 01:11:55,496 It's a different way to get somewhere 2167 01:11:55,516 --> 01:11:57,826 ... very two different ways to get to a very... 2168 01:11:57,826 --> 01:12:01,176 Actually, a very si- I mean, that, that feels amazing, even though that's Wendel. 2169 01:12:01,196 --> 01:12:02,896 That's a drum machine. It feels amazing. 2170 01:12:03,016 --> 01:12:04,436 Uh, it's Wendel. Uh- 2171 01:12:04,456 --> 01:12:04,736 Is it really? 2172 01:12:04,756 --> 01:12:06,356 What's your... No. Who knows? 2173 01:12:06,376 --> 01:12:07,156 It's not a real person. 2174 01:12:07,176 --> 01:12:07,696 Windale? 2175 01:12:07,736 --> 01:12:11,656 He did get a, uh... Wendel did get a, uh, platinum record, which is a 2176 01:12:11,696 --> 01:12:13,416 little weird for this. 2177 01:12:13,456 --> 01:12:13,816 Wait, what? 2178 01:12:13,836 --> 01:12:16,146 Yeah. You know, it went platinum. All, all the players got... 2179 01:12:16,156 --> 01:12:17,956 Wendel got the, his own. 2180 01:12:17,996 --> 01:12:18,456 Amazing. 2181 01:12:18,496 --> 01:12:20,276 Yeah. What's your apex moment? 2182 01:12:20,336 --> 01:12:21,276 Skate a little lower now. 2183 01:12:22,096 --> 01:12:22,836 Do we have to listen to that part? 2184 01:12:22,856 --> 01:12:23,456 No, we don't, but- 2185 01:12:23,476 --> 01:12:25,796 You know what's funny? That might be my low point on this. 2186 01:12:25,816 --> 01:12:25,846 Well- 2187 01:12:25,876 --> 01:12:26,596 That's my quibble bit 2188 01:12:26,636 --> 01:12:27,376 ... you're skating low. 2189 01:12:27,416 --> 01:12:30,636 Okay, wait, wait, this is- If I can find this. This is a famous line. 2190 01:12:30,676 --> 01:12:31,326 Don't even try. 2191 01:12:31,516 --> 01:12:32,716 Skate a little lower. 2192 01:12:33,296 --> 01:12:34,596 I just went right to it! 2193 01:12:36,596 --> 01:12:37,216 Amazing. 2194 01:12:37,236 --> 01:12:39,776 But it's not fair because I went right to it. 2195 01:12:39,896 --> 01:12:40,086 So where my brothers- 2196 01:12:40,086 --> 01:12:41,276 And you got all this, but then- 2197 01:12:41,286 --> 01:12:42,686 He literally just dragged the, the- 2198 01:12:42,686 --> 01:12:46,476 That was weird. That was weird. But it's got all this just, like, listless 2199 01:12:46,596 --> 01:12:50,536 vamping at this point. This goes on and on. 2200 01:12:50,576 --> 01:12:52,724 There's two-... I will not- 2201 01:12:53,344 --> 01:12:53,354 ... knowledge! 2202 01:12:53,424 --> 01:12:55,124 I will not hear any- 2203 01:12:55,164 --> 01:12:55,974 No, it's fine, but whatever. 2204 01:12:55,984 --> 01:12:57,594 Slander. I love the endless vamping. 2205 01:12:57,594 --> 01:12:58,504 I don't, I don't know how that could be an- 2206 01:12:58,604 --> 01:12:59,104 I love- 2207 01:12:59,164 --> 01:12:59,854 That's the track- 2208 01:12:59,884 --> 01:13:03,364 Skate, skate a little lower now, is something I say every time this track comes on. 2209 01:13:03,424 --> 01:13:04,624 I say it as soon as he says it. 2210 01:13:04,644 --> 01:13:05,704 Out of mockery. 2211 01:13:05,764 --> 01:13:07,344 No, out of, like, I'm- 2212 01:13:07,354 --> 01:13:07,624 Out of apex joy? 2213 01:13:07,664 --> 01:13:10,724 I'm... You know what it is, Peter? Is, like, what you're saying, how it's, like, 2214 01:13:10,764 --> 01:13:13,044 this sort of, like, vamp or corny vamp- 2215 01:13:13,064 --> 01:13:13,074 Yeah 2216 01:13:13,074 --> 01:13:15,024 ... like, he's kind of acknowledging, like, skate- 2217 01:13:15,034 --> 01:13:15,193 Yeah, I know. 2218 01:13:15,193 --> 01:13:16,384 It feels like a little bit of- 2219 01:13:16,404 --> 01:13:16,414 He's leaning into it. 2220 01:13:16,424 --> 01:13:16,744 Yeah, he's- 2221 01:13:16,764 --> 01:13:18,134 And that moment is fine. It's just... 2222 01:13:18,164 --> 01:13:21,264 Actually, it's more after that, like, when they come back, and it's just, like, the 2223 01:13:21,284 --> 01:13:24,403 tune could have been done. Which leads me to quibble bits. 2224 01:13:24,443 --> 01:13:25,384 Ooh, my pencil. 2225 01:13:25,484 --> 01:13:26,644 You got... You're excited. 2226 01:13:26,664 --> 01:13:26,924 That was- 2227 01:13:27,024 --> 01:13:27,684 I don't know about that. 2228 01:13:27,693 --> 01:13:27,693 You nailed it. 2229 01:13:27,704 --> 01:13:28,904 I don't know, man. For the listener- 2230 01:13:28,924 --> 01:13:28,934 Cleanly 2231 01:13:28,934 --> 01:13:31,024 ... he just literally scrolled right to the skate a little lower. 2232 01:13:31,044 --> 01:13:32,374 I knew it was in the middle, I just didn't know what I was gonna do. 2233 01:13:32,374 --> 01:13:33,244 Amazing. Uh- 2234 01:13:33,284 --> 01:13:33,764 Quibble bits. 2235 01:13:33,804 --> 01:13:34,124 What do you got? 2236 01:13:34,184 --> 01:13:37,214 Mine is the mindless vamps on Hey Nineteen. There, I wrote it. 2237 01:13:37,224 --> 01:13:38,664 This is wrong. Is this wrong? 2238 01:13:38,684 --> 01:13:39,124 What you got? 2239 01:13:39,204 --> 01:13:40,464 Uh, is s- 2240 01:13:41,004 --> 01:13:43,784 Are you about to go obvious? Is this record too clean? 2241 01:13:43,824 --> 01:13:47,144 Is it too perfect? Am I... Do I work too hard? 2242 01:13:47,184 --> 01:13:51,053 Uh, no, no. I, I... You know, we've, we, we can talk endlessly about it. 2243 01:13:51,164 --> 01:13:53,764 It's like the, uh, endless debate about Steely Dan, about this. 2244 01:13:53,784 --> 01:13:57,202 The pristine nature of it is the, its biggest strength, and some people think its 2245 01:13:57,244 --> 01:14:01,004 biggest weakness. My quibble bit, a little bit, is some of the arranging is 2246 01:14:01,084 --> 01:14:03,084 just a little too fussy for me. 2247 01:14:03,124 --> 01:14:03,524 It's... I would agree. 2248 01:14:03,544 --> 01:14:07,434 For a, for, like, what... Like, when I listen to Gaucho, when 2249 01:14:07,504 --> 01:14:08,464 I listen to 2250 01:14:09,404 --> 01:14:10,594 I mean, almost any of the tracks. But like- 2251 01:14:10,604 --> 01:14:11,424 Yeah, no, the whole record 2252 01:14:11,484 --> 01:14:12,604 ... Glamour Profession, and- 2253 01:14:12,624 --> 01:14:14,104 It does tie the record together, though. 2254 01:14:14,144 --> 01:14:14,734 It does, it does. 2255 01:14:14,744 --> 01:14:15,104 You know? 2256 01:14:15,124 --> 01:14:18,744 But some of it, I'm just like, "Guys, take out just, like, a third of the hits." 2257 01:14:18,804 --> 01:14:19,024 Right. 2258 01:14:19,064 --> 01:14:20,604 A third of the weird chords. 2259 01:14:20,664 --> 01:14:21,004 Right. 2260 01:14:21,044 --> 01:14:23,644 Like, just leave a little imagination to the listener. 2261 01:14:23,724 --> 01:14:24,424 I know that's like- 2262 01:14:24,443 --> 01:14:26,844 Skate a little lower. Is that what you're saying? 2263 01:14:26,884 --> 01:14:28,934 That's cool. Like, I want more of those moments. 2264 01:14:29,044 --> 01:14:30,844 A little less chords, buddy. 2265 01:14:30,904 --> 01:14:33,564 No, and listen, I realize, like, for a lot of people, that's what they listen to 2266 01:14:33,604 --> 01:14:35,954 this for, but for me, it's just, like, a couple of... 2267 01:14:36,024 --> 01:14:37,404 Just a little bit too busy- 2268 01:14:37,424 --> 01:14:37,574 Yeah 2269 01:14:37,604 --> 01:14:38,514 ... in the arranging. But, uh- 2270 01:14:38,514 --> 01:14:38,514 And- 2271 01:14:38,524 --> 01:14:42,164 But on some of the tracks, on some of it, it's perfect, but I think it just got a 2272 01:14:42,204 --> 01:14:42,443 little bit- 2273 01:14:42,504 --> 01:14:42,924 I would agree 2274 01:14:42,964 --> 01:14:42,994 ... overdone. 2275 01:14:43,004 --> 01:14:46,154 And, I mean, in terms of the pristine nature, I would say, like, if you separate... 2276 01:14:46,164 --> 01:14:49,364 What, what I don't think is a problem, as far as being too pristine, is the 2277 01:14:49,404 --> 01:14:52,904 production, is the s- is the sound engineering and, and how the record feels 2278 01:14:52,984 --> 01:14:53,534 sonically. 2279 01:14:53,604 --> 01:14:54,943 Oh, all the playing is killing. 2280 01:14:55,004 --> 01:14:55,193 Yeah. 2281 01:14:55,264 --> 01:14:56,884 All of the... And all the songwriting is killing. 2282 01:14:56,904 --> 01:14:57,554 The sonic is- 2283 01:14:57,564 --> 01:14:58,443 It's very controlled 2284 01:14:58,504 --> 01:14:58,774 ... it's all really good. 2285 01:14:58,784 --> 01:15:01,774 And they've got handcuffs on the players, but, like, because the sound... 2286 01:15:01,804 --> 01:15:04,654 It's not like s- it doesn't sound, like, digital or... 2287 01:15:04,684 --> 01:15:06,414 Although it's been described as that. To me, it doesn't. 2288 01:15:06,443 --> 01:15:10,214 Like, you're getting the in- I mean, Wendel, maybe notwithstanding, but even that, 2289 01:15:10,224 --> 01:15:11,864 for an early drum machine, very organic sounding. 2290 01:15:11,884 --> 01:15:15,064 Very organic. No, I, I... Listen, this is a very tiny bit of a quibble. 2291 01:15:15,073 --> 01:15:15,073 Yeah. 2292 01:15:15,104 --> 01:15:18,404 I'm, I'm just saying, like, some of the tracks, like, s- like, specifically Glamour 2293 01:15:18,443 --> 01:15:22,204 Profession and Gaucho, I, I, I... It just gets to be a lot after a while. 2294 01:15:22,214 --> 01:15:22,214 I got you. 2295 01:15:22,224 --> 01:15:22,624 You know what I mean? 2296 01:15:22,664 --> 01:15:25,644 I got you. Um, accoutrements. 2297 01:15:25,684 --> 01:15:27,084 Uh, we forgot bespoke playlist. 2298 01:15:27,144 --> 01:15:27,693 Oh, sorry. 2299 01:15:27,784 --> 01:15:28,073 What do you got for that? 2300 01:15:28,244 --> 01:15:32,164 Um, I mean, I'm going lazy on this. Yacht Rock for reals. 2301 01:15:32,184 --> 01:15:33,684 Why you always gotta put a Z in the reals? 2302 01:15:33,724 --> 01:15:37,384 Man, 'cause it makes it... I don't know. I really don't know. What do you got? 2303 01:15:37,424 --> 01:15:40,124 I got audible honey. It's so sweet. 2304 01:15:40,224 --> 01:15:40,664 It's- 2305 01:15:40,704 --> 01:15:41,404 Audibly. Okay. 2306 01:15:41,424 --> 01:15:42,924 Audible honey. Land of milk and honey. 2307 01:15:42,964 --> 01:15:43,464 That's, uh- 2308 01:15:43,474 --> 01:15:43,714 Uh, we got one more 2309 01:15:43,714 --> 01:15:45,494 ... one of my worst bespoke playlist titles, by the way. 2310 01:15:45,504 --> 01:15:48,904 Uh, this one's one of my worst, but it's very similar to some other bad ones. 2311 01:15:49,004 --> 01:15:50,624 Snob-o-meter. 2312 01:15:50,684 --> 01:15:51,184 Five. 2313 01:15:51,584 --> 01:15:53,474 Yeah, I'm going five, and you're not gonna... 2314 01:15:53,524 --> 01:15:55,104 See, look, you can't even look me in the eye as you say that. 2315 01:15:55,114 --> 01:15:56,634 I won't look you in the eye. I won't. 2316 01:15:56,684 --> 01:15:58,073 This truly is a five, though, because- 2317 01:15:58,104 --> 01:15:58,854 It is a five. 2318 01:15:58,943 --> 01:16:02,404 Actually, it could even be lower, because isn't this the le- I think this is the 2319 01:16:02,443 --> 01:16:05,104 most accessible Steely Dan record. 2320 01:16:05,144 --> 01:16:05,654 Aja is most accessible. 2321 01:16:05,704 --> 01:16:06,064 No. 2322 01:16:06,384 --> 01:16:06,664 I mean- 2323 01:16:06,684 --> 01:16:07,384 Aja is not. 2324 01:16:07,424 --> 01:16:07,784 Can't Buy- 2325 01:16:07,844 --> 01:16:08,134 I mean, I, Aja is close 2326 01:16:08,134 --> 01:16:09,573 ... Can't Buy a Thrill might be. 2327 01:16:09,744 --> 01:16:11,384 Can't Buy a Thrill! Oh, sorry. 2328 01:16:11,404 --> 01:16:11,744 Can't Buy- 2329 01:16:12,544 --> 01:16:13,784 He's making fun of me for that. 2330 01:16:13,793 --> 01:16:13,793 I'm not. 2331 01:16:13,824 --> 01:16:14,864 No, Can't Buy a Thrill, I mean- 2332 01:16:14,904 --> 01:16:15,484 Oh, that's you. 2333 01:16:15,504 --> 01:16:16,124 It might be. 2334 01:16:16,134 --> 01:16:16,134 Well- 2335 01:16:16,144 --> 01:16:17,544 You know, you got Dirty Work, you got- 2336 01:16:17,584 --> 01:16:17,684 Yeah 2337 01:16:17,744 --> 01:16:19,144 ... a bunch of hits on there, you know? 2338 01:16:19,164 --> 01:16:20,524 What's Do It Again on? 2339 01:16:20,564 --> 01:16:21,164 Can't Buy a Thrill. 2340 01:16:21,184 --> 01:16:22,494 Oh, it's Can't Buy... Yeah, that is... 2341 01:16:22,504 --> 01:16:25,284 Well, that's the pop- well, is that the poppiest? 2342 01:16:25,324 --> 01:16:26,644 Aja's the most popular one, right? 2343 01:16:26,684 --> 01:16:27,324 Probably. 2344 01:16:27,364 --> 01:16:29,594 Yeah. Anyway, it's, it's... I would, I, I would almost... 2345 01:16:29,624 --> 01:16:32,704 I said five, but I would, I could go three, too. I could go two. 2346 01:16:32,744 --> 01:16:33,964 I, I wouldn't argue with any of it. 2347 01:16:34,004 --> 01:16:37,004 I mean, the thing is, Steely Dan, to the Dans out there, it's 2348 01:16:37,024 --> 01:16:38,464 like- 2349 01:16:38,474 --> 01:16:38,474 It's- 2350 01:16:38,474 --> 01:16:42,293 ... with Dan heads, it's like all- every Steely Dan utterance is a 10, right? 2351 01:16:42,304 --> 01:16:45,364 To anyone listening, we'll explain the snob-o-meter, in that we don't really know 2352 01:16:45,404 --> 01:16:49,304 how it works. But one means that it's very accessible to listen to, 10 means 2353 01:16:49,324 --> 01:16:52,004 it's very snobby, kind of hard listen. 2354 01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:55,904 Ethan Iverson would write a, a 300-word essay on Substack 2355 01:16:55,964 --> 01:16:56,304 about it. 2356 01:16:56,443 --> 01:16:56,704 That's right. 2357 01:16:56,924 --> 01:16:56,934 Yeah. 2358 01:16:56,934 --> 01:16:59,484 He's a 10. And if it's a one, your Aunt Linda would listen to it. 2359 01:16:59,524 --> 01:16:59,734 That's right. 2360 01:16:59,734 --> 01:17:00,543 She'd love it. 2361 01:17:00,624 --> 01:17:02,484 Aunt, Aunt, Aunt Linda's gotta love this thing. 2362 01:17:02,544 --> 01:17:03,594 I think she kinda does, actually. 2363 01:17:03,604 --> 01:17:04,314 Yeah, yeah. 2364 01:17:04,314 --> 01:17:04,314 So. 2365 01:17:04,364 --> 01:17:05,814 I, I'm gonna go three. I'm gonna go three. 2366 01:17:05,824 --> 01:17:08,574 Mm, there's a lot of drugs for Aunt Linda, so... 2367 01:17:08,584 --> 01:17:09,673 We gotta place it, 1979. 2368 01:17:09,673 --> 01:17:09,993 Yeah. 2369 01:17:10,144 --> 01:17:14,084 Um, better than Aja. We're going Aja - some might say better than Countdown to Ecstasy, but 2370 01:17:14,104 --> 01:17:15,314 that's a ridiculous comparison. 2371 01:17:15,344 --> 01:17:16,943 Sometimes we say better than Innervisions. 2372 01:17:17,004 --> 01:17:17,224 Yeah. 2373 01:17:17,284 --> 01:17:19,544 Interesting that you chose Aja for better than. 2374 01:17:19,584 --> 01:17:23,514 Well, I'm just like, what do you compare... I mean, you could say, like, um... 2375 01:17:23,544 --> 01:17:24,684 I don't know. 2376 01:17:24,724 --> 01:17:24,734 It's- 2377 01:17:24,734 --> 01:17:28,104 I mean, what, what was came out right around this time is, uh, that we've covered, 2378 01:17:28,144 --> 01:17:31,604 is Off The Wall. So I, I would be okay to go with that, 'cause that's, I think, 2379 01:17:31,624 --> 01:17:32,504 from a year before. 2380 01:17:32,544 --> 01:17:33,724 I think it's a no for both for me. 2381 01:17:33,764 --> 01:17:35,524 Yeah, me too. Great record, though. 2382 01:17:35,584 --> 01:17:36,084 It's a great record. 2383 01:17:36,104 --> 01:17:36,914 I mean, Aja is, like, to me, that's- 2384 01:17:36,914 --> 01:17:37,474 It's not better than- 2385 01:17:37,584 --> 01:17:37,594 Yeah. 2386 01:17:37,604 --> 01:17:40,024 For me, it's not better than Aja, and it's not better than Off The Wall. 2387 01:17:40,034 --> 01:17:43,624 Yeah. Uh, accoutrements. This is when we look at the album, we look at the liner 2388 01:17:43,684 --> 01:17:46,814 notes, we fondle them- ... we enjoy them, and we rate them. 2389 01:17:46,844 --> 01:17:49,284 I think it's an eight. I want a little more. It's an eight. It's good. 2390 01:17:49,304 --> 01:17:51,124 Ooh, I'm going nine on this. I... There's- 2391 01:17:51,164 --> 01:17:52,314 I love the front cover. I love the image. 2392 01:17:52,324 --> 01:17:53,064 The front cover- 2393 01:17:53,074 --> 01:17:53,074 Just- 2394 01:17:53,074 --> 01:17:54,644 ... this is an Argentinian- 2395 01:17:54,744 --> 01:17:54,754 Yeah 2396 01:17:54,754 --> 01:17:57,404 ... um, fresco, I think, or something. 2397 01:17:57,464 --> 01:17:59,014 This always scared me when I was young. 2398 01:17:59,084 --> 01:17:59,314 It's scary. 2399 01:17:59,324 --> 01:18:00,564 Still, still does a little bit. 2400 01:18:00,574 --> 01:18:00,574 Yeah. 2401 01:18:00,604 --> 01:18:02,734 Man, the s- use of space here. 2402 01:18:02,764 --> 01:18:03,864 It's a beautiful color, it's a beautiful- 2403 01:18:03,884 --> 01:18:04,084 Yeah 2404 01:18:04,224 --> 01:18:05,693 ... use of space. I think it's really good. 2405 01:18:05,693 --> 01:18:07,144 I love the, the lyrics that are on here. 2406 01:18:07,204 --> 01:18:10,484 I mean, I would take a, one point off for the inaccuracy of the personnel that's 2407 01:18:10,604 --> 01:18:12,524 implied, but I'm going nine. 2408 01:18:12,584 --> 01:18:12,984 Okay. 2409 01:18:13,064 --> 01:18:16,054 Um, up next, this would be, what do we wanna listen to on a Spotify playlist when 2410 01:18:16,144 --> 01:18:17,443 we get to the end of this? 2411 01:18:17,524 --> 01:18:19,294 I put Nightfly by Donald Fagen. 2412 01:18:19,344 --> 01:18:22,693 Nightfly. Oof, okay. That's cool. 2413 01:18:22,724 --> 01:18:23,204 Not your fave? 2414 01:18:23,224 --> 01:18:24,534 Not my fave. Um, 2415 01:18:25,443 --> 01:18:28,544 ooh, oh, I was a little salty... I was a little spicy when I wrote this. 2416 01:18:28,584 --> 01:18:29,184 You see what I have? 2417 01:18:29,324 --> 01:18:29,984 I do. 2418 01:18:29,994 --> 01:18:30,924 I don't even know if I wanna say it. 2419 01:18:30,964 --> 01:18:31,114 Don't say it. 2420 01:18:31,164 --> 01:18:33,504 Up next for me is Aja, so I can hear a better record. 2421 01:18:33,544 --> 01:18:35,154 Peter Martin, that's rude, dude. 2422 01:18:36,024 --> 01:18:36,604 Oh, my God. Okay. 2423 01:18:36,624 --> 01:18:38,144 Hey, you know, we got a newsletter, Peter. 2424 01:18:38,184 --> 01:18:39,943 If you wanna sign up for our newsletter- 2425 01:18:40,004 --> 01:18:41,044 Let me guess what it's called. 2426 01:18:41,084 --> 01:18:41,404 What? 2427 01:18:41,443 --> 01:18:41,964 You'll Read It. 2428 01:18:42,004 --> 01:18:42,704 You got it, buddy! 2429 01:18:42,724 --> 01:18:43,624 You'll Read It. 2430 01:18:43,664 --> 01:18:46,374 Click the link below in the show notes. Peter, this has been a blast, dude. 2431 01:18:46,384 --> 01:18:47,334 This has been awesome, man. 2432 01:18:47,364 --> 01:18:50,364 I love this album. Really fun listen. 2433 01:18:50,404 --> 01:18:52,204 Thank you to- 2434 01:18:52,568 --> 01:18:55,208 ...Steely Dan for the great music. 2435 01:18:55,218 --> 01:18:55,578 Yeah, to the Dan. 2436 01:18:55,588 --> 01:18:56,588 It's unbelievable. 2437 01:18:56,628 --> 01:19:00,168 Shout out to everybody that's still with us, and RIP to obviously Walter Becker, 2438 01:19:00,188 --> 01:19:02,668 Anthony Jackson, um, but you know- 2439 01:19:02,688 --> 01:19:04,028 The hard work paid off, boys. 2440 01:19:04,088 --> 01:19:04,268 Yeah. 2441 01:19:04,308 --> 01:19:04,948 It sounds great. 2442 01:19:04,968 --> 01:19:06,748 It's a great record, yeah. Till next time. 2443 01:19:06,768 --> 01:19:06,958 You'll hear 2444 01:19:06,968 --> 01:19:57,227 it. 2445 01:24:47,648 --> 01:25:05,558 Sorry, 2446 01:25:05,558 --> 01:25:06,368 I missed the-