WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.720 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.160 practical ways. Good morning, everybody. My name is Chris and 4 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:16.120 I'm Quinn, and this is Quinn, and today we are 5 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:19.839 the Bible Guys. Why Jeff is out of town across 6 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:23.239 the world serving Jesus, suffering for Jesus in the sunshine 7 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:25.920 while we're stuck in the tundra of Michigan. 8 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:28.160 I had to scrape ice off my window this morning. 9 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:30.960 It's what a price we pay for a living here. 10 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.320 Quinn is our connections pastor at our church called Heritage Church. 11 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:36.719 And guess what, well, Jeff is out of town. We 12 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:40.359 are going to have a different guest every single day. 13 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.679 So that's so fun. And today we have Quinn's Quinn, 14 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:46.640 how you doing good? But have you ever been on 15 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:48.439 the Bible Guys A couple of times? Yes? 16 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:50.159 Yeah, you and I have done this. I think this 17 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:51.039 is my third time. 18 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:53.759 And for those who know us, we are the guys 19 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:55.679 on staff who tend to put our foot in our 20 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.240 mouth sometimes we have is what I just did. 21 00:00:58.359 --> 00:00:59.399 So this is gonna be fun. 22 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:01.679 Yeah, well, you know, to be honest with you, I'm 23 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:03.600 very bad at that. Do you know that I have 24 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:05.680 this thing? This is irrelevant. I got to move on 25 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:07.599 from this. But did you know I have this thing? 26 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.079 And it's and it's it's it comes across as offensive. 27 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:14.000 But I don't know why. But you know, everybody kind 28 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.519 of knows. I'm a movie guy. I don't remember. I 29 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:22.640 don't remember who I see a movie with. Okay, listen, ever, ever. 30 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.760 Even if it's your wife, your daughter, I'll I'll. 31 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.640 Take my wife specifically to the theater and because you 32 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:30.079 know we're gonna go to the theater that often, and 33 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:31.879 I'll say, hey, let's come see this movie. And then 34 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:33.640 like three years later, I'll say, have you ever seen 35 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:37.159 this movie? She goes, Chris, we saw that movie together. 36 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.719 I've had best friends say that to me. I've had everybody, 37 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:44.200 And for some reason, my brain doesn't log who I 38 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:44.879 see movies. 39 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:46.640 Even if it's short term, like you've seen Wicked like 40 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:48.719 eighty times. You don't remember who you've seen Wicked with. 41 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:51.239 I mean, I can remember a couple of times with 42 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.319 my family, but but but I'm serious, and so for 43 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.840 some reason, maybe I've just discovered that I don't remember 44 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:02.680 who's on the Bible guys, So sorry about that. So anyway, 45 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:05.959 today we are going to start with a question. Ready, 46 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.080 and the question it says this, It says Quinn is 47 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:11.560 the connections pastor. So here is today's question. If you 48 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:16.080 had to connect with someone using dad jokes, what's your 49 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:19.280 opening line and what are some of your backup lines? 50 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:22.960 That's a crazy question jokes? How do you have some 51 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.639 pocket dad jokes? I think I'm going to call this 52 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.319 segment crazy Questions crazy? Yes, I do you ready? This 53 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.800 is one of my favorites. I just discovered this the 54 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.000 other day. Ready, Okay, where do you take someone who's 55 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:39.080 been in a peekaboo accident? I don't know where the ICU? 56 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:44.240 Come on, come on, that's great. 57 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:46.080 That was pretty cheesy. I got one. I gotta cheose 58 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:46.240 you one. 59 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.520 Go ahead, Okay, if you're American in the kitchen, what 60 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.960 are you in the bathroom? 61 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.199 I don't want to take time to think about. 62 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.560 This American in the kitchen? What are European? 63 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.840 Oh? You know, I should have known that that was 64 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:03.680 that's a that's a joke that we probably said we 65 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:04.039 were kids. 66 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:05.960 Yeah, yeah, I got I've got a three year old 67 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:07.360 at home, so lots of cheesy dad joke. 68 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.560 Okay, this is a different type of dad joke. I 69 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:12.639 just saw these are off of my Tory Bug mugs. 70 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:16.520 My daughter toy bought a mug and it has a 71 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:18.840 QR CO for dad jokes. That's funny, and so we 72 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:20.599 call her Tory Bug. So it's the bug mug, the 73 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:23.400 bug mug. So the bug Mug says this the other 74 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:27.719 day to whoever stole my copy of Microsoft Office, I 75 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:32.120 will find you. You have my word and word is capitalized. 76 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:36.159 You have my word. It's really funny. You gotta read it. 77 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:39.280 Whatever you say. Yeah, I got a couple more. 78 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.639 What did the buffalo say when he dropped his it 79 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:44.400 off at school? 80 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.599 I don't know. Bye soon? 81 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:48.800 Oh that's great. 82 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:52.680 I want to call my daughter and tell her that 83 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.639 that is really good. She would love it, but I 84 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:00.479 can't because she's working right now. Cheesy dad jokes. Yep. 85 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.000 And then how about this one? What kind of felines 86 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:05.120 can bowl? 87 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.919 You know? I don't know alli cats. 88 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:12.080 That's okay, it's okay. 89 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:14.319 I learned one last night. I'm trying to remember. I 90 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:15.599 think it went something. 91 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.639 Like, what what days of. 92 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:21.399 The week are the strongest? 93 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:23.480 What is it Saturday? And Sunday. 94 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:27.920 You know why, because they're not weak days. 95 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.240 That's pretty good. You didn't have to explain it, but 96 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:32.199 I kind of butchered. 97 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:33.480 I just learned it last night. 98 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.639 You didn't. But it's just poking fun. How about this? 99 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:46.639 What did you just say micro? You don't say fund 100 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:47.160 last one? 101 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:48.959 You got a good one and it with something strong. 102 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:51.079 Well I had two more of it. I'll pick the 103 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:56.959 better of the two. Okay. How about this? Why do 104 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:02.480 people of all ages love elevators oaks? I don't know, 105 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:09.600 because they work on so many levels. Yeah, it wasn't 106 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:11.800 that great. What would happen if you threw all the 107 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:15.839 books into the ocean? It would cause a title wave? 108 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:22.120 Which one's better? Yeah? I told you, I told you. 109 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.560 I'm still trying to figure out what. All right, So 110 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.079 that's so that's our opening segment. A bunch of dad 111 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:32.680 jokes randomly with Quinn, who's been on the Bible Guys 112 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.639 at least three times. Thanks Quinn, You're welcome. I should 113 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:38.879 have I should have asked you that before we started taping. 114 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:42.800 All right, very cool. Well today, oh, by the way, 115 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.800 every day this week I'm going to announce this announcement. 116 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.560 If you are looking uh to. Uh well, let me 117 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.319 say it this way. If you're in Michigan and you 118 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.480 are in the mood to come see the Bible Guys live, 119 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:57.279 we have a Bibble Guys live event. But we're going 120 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.759 to be actually doing and recording an episode of The 121 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.600 Bible Guys in Heritage Church the Less City campus. Oh yeah, 122 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.319 I heard about on April twenty fourth at six pm. 123 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.360 So you just go to the church, walk in and 124 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.240 just say hey, I'm here for the event, and uh, 125 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.040 we'll be there and we're going to be doing an 126 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:15.040 episode and then we'll be doing other stuff besides that. 127 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:17.639 So it's just it's just a Bible Guy's live event. 128 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:19.240 Yeah, if you're there, come up to Chris and tell 129 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:21.160 me your best cheesy dad dye you'd love to hear. 130 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.519 Oh man, that'd be really cool. I really would, of 131 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:24.399 course I would. 132 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.439 That'd be great and add it to your repertoire. 133 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:26.959 Bye. 134 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.839 That was my far the best one. That's the best one. 135 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:33.680 And I can't I can't wait. Hang on, let me 136 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.720 let me let me see. Uh, I know my daughter's 137 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:39.680 at work, but let me just try call Tory. 138 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.000 Tell her right now live on the Bible Guys. 139 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.920 Yeah, why not. What how's the joke start? Do you 140 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:48.240 want me to do it? How's the joke start? 141 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:50.199 What did the buffalo say to his kids when he 142 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:51.040 dropped them off in school? 143 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:56.560 Okay, hello, hey Tory. What did the buffalo say to 144 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:00.199 his kid when he dropped him off at school? You 145 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:06.199 say bye, son? Oh my gosh, I can't. I just 146 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:07.480 walked out of my classroom for that. 147 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.079 She walked out of her classroom for that. 148 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:13.040 Oh my gosh. 149 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.800 Okay, you're on the Bible guys, so wild. Oh my gosh. 150 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:19.399 I was like, kids, it's my dad. 151 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:20.720 I'm so sorry, I have to go. 152 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:21.800 And he called it. 153 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.680 Tell me by sun kindergarteners eat. 154 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.839 Is absolutely hysterical. Okay, we'll go tell them the joke. Okay, 155 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:33.519 I love you. Bye. I'm going to go tell them. 156 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.560 Okay bye. All right, that's funny. So she thought it 157 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:42.279 was an emergency. Poor daughter, Yeah, poor poor dad. 158 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.639 So anyway, all right, I got some scripture for us. 159 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.199 Yes, oh, we got to do a terrible transition. Did 160 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:53.800 you know that? Okay, let's see it. Uh, speaking of son, 161 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.920 did you know that Solomon was David's son? Okay, I 162 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:03.639 like the transition, And Solomon wrote proverbs. Right, that's it. 163 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:05.079 That's the terrible transition. 164 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:08.160 And these particular proverbs I was reading about. Jeff talked 165 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.120 about it a couple episodes ago in Proverbs twenty five. 166 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:14.000 They got hidden in the temple that King Hezekiah found 167 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:17.879 like two hundred years later. So these proverbs, King has 168 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:19.399 Akaia found them, and we're going to read them. 169 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:21.240 This is the last one. Yeah, I was trying to 170 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:22.439 give an indication that lean. 171 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:23.480 For closer than yes. 172 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:25.279 Yeah, all right, I got They told me I can 173 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.480 move it too, you can pick it up too. 174 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:28.160 Yeah, that's wow. 175 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:29.360 I just read it like this. 176 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.000 Come on, all right. 177 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.759 Proverbs twenty nine, the last of King Solomon's wisdom. Right here, 178 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.519 we're going to read the whole thing. Whoever stubbornly refuses 179 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:42.840 to accept Christian to accept criticism will suddenly be destroyed 180 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:46.440 beyond recovery. When the godly are in authority, the people rejoice, 181 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.720 but when the wicked are in power, they grown. The 182 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.639 man who loves wisdom brings joy to his father, but 183 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.399 if he hangs around with prostitutes, his wealth is wasted. 184 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.480 A just king gives stability to his nation, but one 185 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.120 who demand demands bribes destroys it. To flatter friends is 186 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:06.080 to lay a trap for their feet. Evil people are 187 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.720 trapped by sin, but the righteous escape shouting for joy. 188 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:11.919 The godly care about the rights of the poor. The 189 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.960 wicked don't care at all. Mockers can get a whole 190 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.799 town agitated, but the wise will calm anger. If a 191 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.080 wise person takes a fool to court, there will be 192 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:26.360 ranting and ridicule, but no satisfaction. The bloodthirsty hate blameless people, 193 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:27.639 but the uprights. 194 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:28.720 Seek to help them. 195 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.960 Fools vent their anger, but the wis quietly hold it back. 196 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:36.960 If a ruler pays attention to liars, all his advisers 197 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.320 will be wicked. The poor and the oppressor have this 198 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.360 in common. The Lord gives sight the eyes of both. 199 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:44.679 If a king. 200 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.919 Judges the poor fairly, his throne will last forever. To 201 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.440 discipline a child produces wisdom, but a mother is disgraced 202 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:54.639 by an undisciplined child. When the wicked are in authority, 203 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.279 sin flourishes, but the godly will live to see their downfall. 204 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.519 Your children, and they will give you peace of mind 205 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:05.679 and make your heart glad. When people do not accept 206 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.399 divine guidance, they run wild, but whoever obeys the law 207 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.159 is joyful as good words alone will not discipline a servant. 208 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.240 The words may be understood, but they are not heeded. 209 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.200 There is more hope for a fool than for someone 210 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.000 who speaks without thinking. I think we need that one 211 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.159 sometimes you mean, yeah, a servant pampered from childhood will 212 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.000 become a rebel. An angry person starts fights, A hot 213 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.200 tempered person commits all kinds of sin. Pride ends in 214 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.840 humiliation about humanity brings honor. Humility brings honor. If you 215 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.240 assist a thief, you only hurt yourself. You are sworn 216 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:44.840 to tell the truth, but you dare not testify. Fearing 217 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.159 people is a dangerous trap, but trusting the Lord means safety. 218 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.240 Many seek the rulers favor, but justice comes from the Lord. 219 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:57.080 The righteous despise the unjust. The wicked despise the god. 220 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:00.960 Man. There's a lot to impact, And yeah, well there's 221 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:04.960 twenty seven verses and proverbs, as we all know, is 222 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:10.559 a collection of wise sayings. Right, so each one carries 223 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.559 with it an incredible amount of wisdom, because that's what 224 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:15.480 this book is. It's a book of wisdom. But they're 225 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:19.240 so unrelated sometimes, right, they're they're just randomly, you go 226 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.120 from one topic to the next, and it's pretty wild. 227 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.720 Will this being the last collection of King Hezekiah and 228 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.080 as Men, I imagine they just all right, here's what's left, 229 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:29.600 throw it all together. And maybe it was more organized 230 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:31.120 than that, but they're like, there's some good stuff we 231 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.279 found in these walls. We got to put it in. 232 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.159 Here, and that's why a lot of them don't go together. 233 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.519 Uh, you know what, I don't think honestly, I'm trying 234 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.480 to think about because I've done definitely, I've definitely done 235 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:47.720 studies on the topic of you know, people piecing the 236 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.519 Bible together and verifying it. I mean, that's just a 237 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.200 big long discussion right for the ages, actually for the ages. 238 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.600 But I don't think I've ever heard anybody say what 239 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:01.399 you just said, which is that like these twenty seven 240 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.559 verses weren't written consecutively, like like were they I don't know, Well, 241 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:06.240 they could have been. 242 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.879 But what we know is that verse chapters twenty five 243 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:13.759 through twenty nine were written by Solomon two hundred ish 244 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.600 years earlier King Hezekai and his buddies found him. And 245 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:19.679 we also know that the Bible didn't have verses in 246 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:21.440 chapters back then we created. 247 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.399 Sure sure, sure, for sure, we knew that. Okay, So 248 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:27.679 what you're what you were trying to say was the 249 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.480 chapters don't necessarily go together, right, okay, okay, because I 250 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.879 was pointing out that the verses themselves don't go to 251 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:35.879 That's true, they don't, right And then and you said, oh, 252 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:37.519 and I was like, I was saying, what. 253 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:39.679 Because when they found him in the walls, they. 254 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:41.080 Build one proverb bit of time. 255 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:44.000 Who knows how they organized them, who knows what scroll 256 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.600 they found first? Or Jeff Jeff probably knows he would know. 257 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.360 That what Jeff knows everything. Jeff knows all things. Hey, 258 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:52.279 without Jeff being here, why don't you and I both 259 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.360 acknowledge the fact is he probably one of the smartest guys. 260 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:57.360 You know, Oh absolutely, yeah, he's crazy. 261 00:12:57.399 --> 00:12:59.600 Absolutely, he can ask him anything about anything. 262 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:03.279 Well, it's it's the jeopardy question king. So it isn't 263 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.720 just like uh so, so you think, oh, wow, he 264 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:07.679 studied the Bible so so much that he knows a 265 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:10.399 lot of obscure things in the Old Testament and things 266 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.799 that necessarily people forget, and he's really good with maps 267 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.600 and all that stuff. But it's not just that, it's 268 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:20.159 everything you say. Hey, I was reading about dump trucks 269 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.159 the other day, and he'll say, well, you know, there's 270 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.799 seven types of dump trucks. 271 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.240 Right, And it's like a different tread on the wheels 272 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.159 and the different front loaders, and it's like, Emma, Pastor Kevin. 273 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.120 I would love to see them get into a debate. 274 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.159 Those they are like the two smartest dudes I've ever met. 275 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.120 Mine. Okay, well there it is uh and and nobody 276 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.080 knows who that is. Pastor Kevin patorck Kevin. 277 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.759 He does all the all the care for at our church. 278 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:41.759 Yeah, he's over. 279 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.639 Celebrate recovery and funerals and weddings and all that. 280 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:47.440 Kevin McCarthy. And he has a cool nickname. What is it? 281 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.840 P K p K And the first piece stands for pastor? 282 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:52.559 Why don't Why don't we have a cool nickname? 283 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:52.840 I don't know. 284 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:53.679 Why do you have PQ? 285 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:55.360 A cool name? 286 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.360 It's not a nickname? Yeah, it's not. I mean, you 287 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:01.039 know p Z yeah or p S eazy. 288 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:02.799 What would you do if people started calling you PZ? 289 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.759 What U? PZ? That's not that's not that's not good. 290 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:09.080 So back to proverbs between on the first verse really 291 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:10.960 stands out to me, and I know we'll probably jump 292 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:15.879 all over, but whoever stubbornly refuses to accept criticism will 293 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:20.360 suddenly be destroyed beyond recovery. This reminds me of the 294 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.200 first time you and I started really had like a 295 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:24.279 work interaction. 296 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:24.960 It was easter. 297 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:25.960 Do you remember last Easter? 298 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.360 Yes, we got like twenty two easter services by the way, 299 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:31.759 fourteen at Sterling Heights. You're preaching a bunch, it's going 300 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.720 to be great. But I remember I was working there 301 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.240 for probably a month, and I get done doing like 302 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:38.279 the pre service game. 303 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:39.720 I know, you know what I'm saying. 304 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.960 I'm doing like the game and I'm giving away gift 305 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.320 cards and it's fun. And I get backstage and you 306 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:45.759 come up to me and this is like my first 307 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:47.919 real interaction with you. And you stop me and you 308 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:48.600 go like, hey, this. 309 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.440 Is my best criss are about by the way, Hey. 310 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:52.919 You're like a nine. You're great. What you just did 311 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:53.519 was a two. 312 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:55.000 Don't be a two. 313 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.679 Be a nine. And some people you tell some people 314 00:14:57.679 --> 00:14:59.639 that are like, oh, my cousin can't believe me said that? 315 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:00.399 What jerk? 316 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:02.080 And I'm like, no, he's not a jerk. 317 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:04.799 What he's doing is he's helping, right, But people don't 318 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:07.600 realize that that criticism is important and we need it 319 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.519 because then you go on to give me like tips, right, 320 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.039 do this, don't do this, And the next service was great, 321 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:12.879 it was more fun. 322 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:17.039 I was looser. Well, criticism when when people bother to 323 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.240 give feedback, that's a sign of caring. It's a sign 324 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.039 of caring. So it really is. It's uh yeah, so 325 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.200 and then when you told my son Steven, oh yeah, 326 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.679 that's statement. Yeah, what did Steven say? 327 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:35.720 Well, Steven's got like this fake great guy. 328 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:35.919 I love. 329 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:36.879 Stephen's a good friend of mine. 330 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.639 He's got like this fake Boston accent that comes out sometimes, 331 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:41.919 especially when he gets excited. 332 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.519 He's like, wait a minute, but Dad called you a nine. 333 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:48.039 You don't call nobody nine, Like that's freaking amazing. 334 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:49.000 And he talked like for. 335 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:50.840 Ten minutes about how you called me and nine. 336 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.600 Yeah, freaking quiz you don't understand. So Stephen didn't country 337 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.639 on the two. My son was amazed that I said 338 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:00.440 your personality was an He was amazed. Yeah, yeah, because 339 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.360 nobody's an eye, nobody's any You get a high likable. 340 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.480 But I think in the church world, in the business world, 341 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.000 in life like, we're going to be critique and we've 342 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.240 got to learn to deal with it. 343 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.799 We've got to learn, uh, to focus on that you're not. 344 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:14.240 You weren't critiquing me as a person. 345 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.000 You didn't say when you're ugly, when you're fat, when 346 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.440 you're this, or that, you said your product, what you 347 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:20.720 just did could be better. Here's how we fix it. 348 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:22.840 And a lot of people get so sensitive and then 349 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.480 don't touch my product. This is who I am, and 350 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:27.440 that's not who you are. It's a thing you did 351 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:28.240 or a thing you said. 352 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:30.200 Well, I think we I think we talked about this 353 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:35.000 already in Proverbs on the previous podcast. But you know, 354 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:38.200 it says faithful or the wounds of a friend, but 355 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.600 the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. So you know, 356 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:44.000 the wounds of a friend is somebody who comes up 357 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.639 to you and says, hey, man, you have your zippers down. 358 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:49.960 You know that kind of thing. And then and then 359 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.440 the friend who who wants to be polite and doesn't 360 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.440 want to hurt your feelings is it says, uh, you know, 361 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:58.440 faithful the wounds of a friend, but a kisses of 362 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.879 an enemy are deceitful. It's you know, it's that way 363 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:05.279 on a very deep level. So your true friends are 364 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.359 going to be the ones that give you love and 365 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.759 hard truth. So I don't know if you have ever 366 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:13.799 heard this theory or not, but this is worth saying, 367 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:18.240 I think so. John chapter one, verse seventeen says Moses 368 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.119 came to bring the law, but Jesus came to bring 369 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:25.359 both grace and truth. And so grace could be considered 370 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:30.200 as something that you know, forgives. It's the relational piece 371 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.920 of Jesus, right, it's the invitation piece of Jesus. But 372 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.640 also the truth is hard truth. So I did a 373 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.680 reading on this one time, and I say, if you 374 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.720 think about it, a lot of Jesus's interactions said both 375 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.839 grace and truth. So, for instance, the woman caught an adultery, 376 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.240 the truth and the grace were both there. The grace 377 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.920 was he said, where are your condemners? She said none, Lord, 378 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:58.000 and he said, then neither do I condemn you. And 379 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:00.559 then the truth is now get up and don't ever 380 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.000 do that again, Go and send no more. Right the 381 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.480 rich young ruler, it says, Jesus looked at him and 382 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.119 he loved him. Right, and then and then it says 383 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:10.119 he turns around and says, now go sell everything you have, 384 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.480 give to the poor. So Jesus has both the dynamic 385 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:17.240 of grace and truth. And and so that is the 386 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.480 best if you think about it, it's the best friend 387 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.200 in your life. The best friend gives you the hardest 388 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.680 truth with the most amount of love. And if you 389 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.240 think about it, somebody who just always loves and doesn't 390 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.720 want to give you hard truth and challenge you and 391 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.279 sharpen you, that's not a friend. And then somebody who 392 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.039 just critiques with no relationship, well, that's awful too, right, 393 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:43.559 and uh and so yeah, you have to have both dynamics, 394 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:45.599 both grace and truth. 395 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:47.480 You'll get people to say things like, oh, don't tell 396 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.319 me that's not nice. I had a Bible professor who 397 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:52.640 told me not too long ago. He said, nice isn't 398 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:56.839 a fruit of the spirit. Oh that's gentleness, you know, kindness? Yea, yeah, yeah, 399 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.880 But what the world says is nice, Like you don't 400 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:02.920 tell the truth, don't say anything about this. That's what 401 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.880