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It previous episodes
at the Silvercore

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podcast, we've talked
about situational

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awareness and how to
safely comport yourself

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in everyday life.

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Today.

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We're delving
into the world of

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cybersecurity and open
source intelligence.

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Welcome to the
Silvercore Podcast.

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Nick Chernoff Travis.

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Thanks for having me.

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It's a pleasure.

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So open source Intel.

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First off, what is that?

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And can you give
us a little bit of

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background that you
have on the subject?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's a good question.

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So, uh, open source
intelligence is

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essentially, uh,
openly, publicly

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available information.

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If you're on social
media, if you're writing

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on blogs, blogs, anything
online that we can gather

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from just a basic, even
Google search, social

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media search that is
in the realm of open

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source intelligence.

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And, and, uh, we
are doing that

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every single day.

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You know, for those of
you on social media,

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when you go and look up
a friend, significant

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other, maybe someone
you're diving to get

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into a relationship
with you are going

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to find them and find
their open li publicly

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available information.

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So, uh, it's a bit more
of that and not just

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social media and, and,
you know, looking forward

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to talking with that
throughout today, uh,

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about my background,
I've been in the world

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of school safety for
about a decade, uh,

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just over 10 years.

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Um, Privileged to
be in this field at

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such a young age.

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And, um, I've been
able to travel north

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America and presenting
to law enforcement

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school districts, uh,
certain three-letter

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agencies in the states,
uh, regarding this

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topic and specifically
school safety.

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Uh, so how do we
gather openly publicly

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information and identify
worrisome behavior,

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uh, to help protect
schools, uh, as well,

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I've also an eight year
member with the Canadian

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forces and the more of
the reserve component

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with the Seaforth
Highlanders of Canada.

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So in infantry,

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right?

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Yeah.

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You got the shirt
on, there could

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be gone, right.

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Always

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representing, of
course, of course.

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So, you know, I've,
I've got a very limited

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background in open-source
intelligence, just

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in, you know, when
we're hiring people

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on, we're going to be
taking a look at their

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social media profile.

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Uh, I'll go on to
in British Columbia,

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we've got court
services online.

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I'll take a look through
there to see what

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kind of background I
can find if there's.

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Uh, a criminal history or
a history of, uh, civil

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actions against somebody.

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And, uh, we've a
BC online as well.

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And I can kind of pick
around a little bit,

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but that's about the
extent of the sort of

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open source intelligence
set that I'm privy to.

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Uh, what do you

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usually do?

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Yeah.

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You know, that's, that's
all great things that

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we can use and you bring
up actually, some, some

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good points because
we are now seeing,

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uh, many employees.

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Figuring out, you
know, they'll look at

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a paper, copy, resume.

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I come apply
for silver Corp.

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You're going to
see my background.

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You're going to
see my history.

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It's all things that I've
curated for your job, but

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what am I doing online?

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That's going to
represent myself and

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your organization.

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And those are great
things that I think many

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organizations should do.

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How are you being
represented online?

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But you know, when
we are gathering open

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source intelligence,
we are monitoring

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and identifying every
social media aspect.

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We're not just
going in and finding

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someone's Instagram
account or someone's

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Facebook account.

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It's every little detail.

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You know, when, when,
uh, because of a part

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of my role is, is when a
school shooting happens

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and I've been at the
forefront investigating

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many high profile acts
of violence at schools

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across north America.

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We are digging into
that killer's life when,

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when they shoot up.

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And we are monitoring
all aspects.

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So, uh, at our kind of
command center within our

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office, we have multiple
TVs, every single social

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media account available.

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There are ways to
actually go behind the

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scenes and manipulate,
uh, you know, and, and

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find information even
down to, if I have your

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phone number, if I have
your email address, I can

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find a majority of your
social media accounts

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that are linked to you.

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And it's quite
fascinating because

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when I am training
law enforcement and,

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and school district
professionals, we have

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them create social
media accounts for

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doing their searching.

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Right.

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We always tell them,
you know, never searched

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for somebody using
your personal accounts

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and, and they don't
even think about.

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Well, I'm going to
download, you know, an

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application like Snapchat
on my phone and somebody

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law enforcement members
that are doing that.

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If I have your phone
number, all I have

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to do is some certain
techniques right now.

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No, all your, your
covert type accounts

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and you're going to
be burned like that.

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Right.

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Things to think about.

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If I were to take a
photo right now on

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my smartphone, right?

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The smartphone that we
all have in front of us,

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which I like to say is
for convenience rather

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than for security, right?

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If you want to be really
secure, go get a, go

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get an old flip phone.

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Don't put any
applications on it.

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Just use it as
like a, uh, just a.

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But when they're
downloading applications

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and, and they're, they're
using these devices

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to actually identify
worrisome behavior, they

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don't really understand
that everything is

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linked together.

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If I have your email
address, well, I can

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run it through certain
techniques online.

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Uh, we call it a Boolean
search operators or,

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or Google dorking

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Google dorking you
haven't heard that.

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I know the Boolean search

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sometimes referred to
as, as Google hacking,

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but I can take your email
address or what I know

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about you and actually
find if your email has

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been in a data breach,
which may actually, uh,

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show me your passwords
to your accounts.

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Interesting.

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So there's many
things that we can

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do outside of that.

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Just the generic.

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I'm going to see if
they're on Facebook

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or on Instagram or
on social media.

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So, so,

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and just to be clear,
this is the whole.

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Whole thing behind
this is that it is

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open source, mean that
it's open to anybody.

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The techniques that you
use could be used by

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anybody out there more or

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less.

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Absolutely both the
good and the bad.

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And that's kind of
why we know that.

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And, and the biggest,
uh, cause I run a full

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day or I'll help run, uh,
two days of training to

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train law enforcement,
to school districts,

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how to identify
worrisome behavior

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through techniques that
we've, we're, we're

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providing to them to
give them knowledge

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and the tools to really
keep our kids safe and

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our community safe.

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And yeah, these tools can
be used by individuals

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who are, you know,
trying to find an

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ex-wife or an ex-husband.

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Uh, and there's quite
invasive techniques.

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If I'm a partner who,
who maybe is suspecting

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you of cheating, I could
probably take your phone

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right now because maybe
I know the password we're

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comfortable with that.

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But did you know that
through certain settings

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on your phone, I can
actually determine just

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by having your phone,
every place you've ever

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been, how long you've
been in those places?

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When I drove in today,
they keeps track of how

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long it took me for my
drive time, how long

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I was in certain it's
based on your special

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on your iPhone, your
significant locations.

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Um, that necessarily
isn't open source,

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but you know, there's,
there's definitely

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tools that people in the
wrong hands could use

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for, for negative ways.

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Well, okay.

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So that would be
like iPhone or a

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Google Android phone.

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Like they both do that.

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Right?

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Of course.

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It doesn't matter what.

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Uh, would you suggest
to people that they go

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in there and they turn
certain settings off?

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Yeah.

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I mean, even down
to, if, if you take a

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photo from your phone
right now and you have

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a certain setting on,
okay, I could be, I could

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be, uh, an individual
out there saying,

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Hey, I hope you're
having a great time.

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You know, what are you
up to send me a photo?

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And I'll share
a great story.

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And I use this
during training.

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There was a gentleman on
Craigslist, and this is

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what I'm getting into.

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What's known as metadata.

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Think of data
within the data.

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You take a picture
with your phone.

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We see, and just focus
on the photo, but us

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kind of, you know,
tech nerds and whatnot,

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think about what's the
information behind it,

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because it was taken
from a very smart phone.

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So I could be like,
Hey Travis, you know,

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you could be like,
I'm at my secret

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hunting spot today.

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I know, right.

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Take, send me a photo.

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Then I take your phone.

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Uploaded into a metadata
viewer, which gives

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me the exact phone.

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You've used the date
and timestamp and

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possibly GPS coordinates.

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Right.

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And so that's, that's
invasive, but that's all

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information that is now
sent to me that I can

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gather your now note now,
hunting spot that they

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made, you kept secret
for the longest time.

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And we don't understand
that with every piece

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of information that
we send out there,

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we're giving data
within that and yeah,

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go into your location
settings on your phone.

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There's a going to be an
app on there that says

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camera and beside that.

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So if you go to settings
privacy and then

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location services on
your iPhone, within your

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location services, you
see every app that's

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using your location
right beside that.

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You're going to,
and I want you to

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focus on the camera.

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If the camera says never,
it means, well, it's

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never embedding your
GPS coordinates if it

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says while using well,
pretty much every photo

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that you take, you embed
your GPS, coordinates

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you, go on your.

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And the gallery
on your phone.

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There's a section
that says places and

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it's, it's a map that
pinpoints where the

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photos were taken.

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That's great.

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However, I always think
of things about, okay.

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What if that is a lot
of information that

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we're giving out?

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It's cool to know, but
it's kind of scary.

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I like, I use the, the
hunting analogy because

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I will specifically
go in and screenshot

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my photos because I'm
so paranoid at times.

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So it was sending a
picture out, like, did

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I, did I remember to take
my location services off?

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Am I sending them
something that's going to

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have the, uh, the geotag
associated with it?

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So I'll take a picture.

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I'll screenshot the
picture, I'll crop

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down, and then I'll
send that spec crop

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picture over it.

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I love that.

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You're still going to
give little metadata on

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the type of phone you've
used and maybe the time

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of screenshot, but, you
know, I was going back.

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I was going to share
this story during

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training and it was a,
it was a, uh, uh, law

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enforcement type file.

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I worked with both, uh,
law enforcements, um,

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uh, north and south of
the border in Canada,

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in the states, uh, some
over in the UK as well,

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due to certain issues
that are happening, but

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there was a gentleman.

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And when you upload
photos on, on your

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social media, It is
good that social media

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strips this metadata
for the public, for the

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pup, for the public.

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Right.

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So I can't go to
your, you know, and,

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and for those of you
celebrating, um, uh,

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you know, different
holidays or whatnot, if

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you could take a photo
when you're having your

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Thanksgiving or Easter
dinner and you upload

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it to social media, I
can't take that photo

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and figure out where
you had that dinner.

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So it strips the
metadata, which is great.

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There was a gentleman
on Craigslist, okay.

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He was selling
his motorcycle.

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And if you kind of
know a bit about, uh,

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human behavior and
social engineering

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and how to manipulate
people, it's quite

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easy to unfortunately
take advantage of

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individuals who just
don't understand that

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what is going on behind
the scenes, a gentlemen

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gets a message from
someone else inquiring

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on his motorcycle.

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So a guy was on, on
Craigslist, searching

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for motorcycles.

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This guy gets a message
saying, Hey, I love

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your motorcycle.

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I'm very.

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I'm very interested,
but I'm not going

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to waste your time.

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I'm not going to
waste my time.

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I'm only going to those
motorcycles that I am.

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Uh, I'm interested
in buying the only

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reason I'm messing you.

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This is because when
I zoom into your photo

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on Craigslist, I swear
there's a scratch

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on your gas tank.

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The guy's like,
absolutely not.

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And you know, when
you're just wanting

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to sell something, you
want to get rid of it

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at any anyone who's
at you take advantage

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of, of human behavior
with, wow, someone's

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interested in this.

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I can sell it.

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I can make some money.

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You know?

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So the gentleman says
there's no scratch.

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Okay, fine.

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You know what?

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Just prove to me,
here's my phone number.

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Can you go down to
your motorcycle in

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your garage right now?

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And if you don't mind
doing that right now

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and text me a photo.

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So they've now gone
from Craigslist

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Craigslist, actually
strips metadata to the

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raw original format
between a smartphone,

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which keeps metadata.

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Of GPS settings,
unbeknownst to this

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guy, just wanting to get
rid of his motorcycle.

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He sends a
photo via text.

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This gentlemen uploads
the photo into a metadata

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viewer figures out where
this guy is selling.

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It goes two nights
later and steals the

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motorcycle because he
now has location based

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on that image, right?

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Just that easy.

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It's that easy.

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And it's, it's all
about, you know, uh, we

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didn't grow up in this
world of technology

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and social media.

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We're playing catch-up a
lot of individuals will

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be like, well, okay.

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I don't know.

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I just use Facebook.

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I just use social media,
but they don't understand

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there's way more out
there from the states

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to even Canada, when I'm
searching for a killer

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or understanding things
about, about what they've

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done, the way that I
searched for somebody

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in Canada is completely
different from even

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the U S I I'm going to
challenge a lot of your

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listeners right now.

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Have you ever
Googled yourself on.

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And maybe you put
in Travis Bader and

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maybe you've just
done that, but using

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certain because Google,
Google's very smart,

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but it's quite lazy.

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And I always like to
say that because if you

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search for your first
and last name, Travis

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Bader in Google, you're
going to find everyone

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by the name of Travis
and everyone by the

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name of Bader and not
necessarily just find

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you the next time you
search for your name.

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And this is
serial listeners.

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Search your name in
quotation marks, right?

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It actually narrows
down your search.

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It tells Google.

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I don't want to final
Travis's all beta, but

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Travis Bader together.

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Right?

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Right.

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And just little
techniques like that

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through Boolean search
operators or, or Google

00:13:52.140 --> 00:13:54.750
dorking techniques, I
can use Google dorking

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to actually find open
wifi cameras within your

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house, your ring camera.

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If you don't change
your default password,

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there's a possibility
that someone could

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be accessing that if
you don't change your

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passwords, every few.

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It's not a matter of
if, but when something's

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going to be breached
and your passwords are

00:14:11.490 --> 00:14:13.320
available through, you
know, forums on the

00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.530
dark web or, or, or
deep web, or just a

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basic Google search.

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So,

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and he, can't where
you get, obviously

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change your passwords.

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Any router, you get
changed, a password

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on it, you know, Travis,
you bring up a good

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point with, you know, uh,
change your passwords.

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And, and the biggest
question during my

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training and, and I've,
I've trained everyone

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from school to police to,
like I said, different

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three-letter agencies.

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And the big question is
like, I can't keep track

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of all my passwords.

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I use the same password
or a character off

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for every other
account because I

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can't remember them.

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Right.

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Invest in a
password, man.

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Those are pretty safe
for one, for the most

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part, I encourage you
to do some research.

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Um, there's one called
keep pass X, C K.

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It's a little bit more
advanced of a password

00:15:03.135 --> 00:15:04.935
manager, but there are
some out there that of

00:15:04.935 --> 00:15:07.695
course are not the best,
but I would encourage you

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to do a bit of research.

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You're also going to
learn just that much

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more in a password
manager is essentially a

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vault on your computer.

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You then add all
your accounts, all

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your passwords.

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I have probably over
60 accounts and I

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have a different
password for each one.

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I don't want to
remember each one, but

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I remember one password
to get in the door of

00:15:25.095 --> 00:15:28.335
that password manager,
which then I forget my

00:15:28.335 --> 00:15:29.325
password to this account.

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I go in reminder,
bring it over, log

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into my account.

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It's a few extra
steps, but that is the

00:15:35.805 --> 00:15:37.215
first step passwords.

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Two factor
authentication.

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Isn't huge.

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It's huge.

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Um, there's also
something that, that

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has been going around
for a while called

00:15:45.645 --> 00:15:47.865
SIM swapping, right?

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Where the idea is I'll
find your password.

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I will then understand
that you may have two

00:15:53.444 --> 00:15:55.305
factor authentication
on your phone.

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I will then figure out
information about you.

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Maybe that I'm finding
on your social media,

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maybe that that's your,
and I always like to

00:16:02.235 --> 00:16:03.975
say, you're only as
strong as the weakest

00:16:03.975 --> 00:16:05.835
link within your friend
network on social media.

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So I may not be able
to find information

00:16:07.785 --> 00:16:12.225
on you, Travis, but
do your spouse, kids,

00:16:12.225 --> 00:16:14.715
whatever people that are
close to you, are they

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putting out information?

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That's telling
things about you

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that I can gather.

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Right?

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Think of, think of
down to the questions

00:16:20.954 --> 00:16:22.125
that you could ask
for your banking.

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What's your mother's
maiden name?

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What's the street
you live on?

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I never used my
right answer.

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No, no, I don't

00:16:28.064 --> 00:16:28.245
think

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anybody should.

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No one should, but change
it something different

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and don't have it on
things that we can

00:16:33.045 --> 00:16:34.185
find on social media.

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But, but going back
to SIM swapping is the

00:16:36.765 --> 00:16:39.105
idea where I now find
information on you.

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I know your phone number.

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I then maybe we'll call
your cell phone provider,

00:16:43.395 --> 00:16:45.735
pretending I'm you I'll
answer questions that I'm

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finding from your social
media and say, Hey, I

00:16:47.265 --> 00:16:47.915
need to swap out my.

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Then that two factor
authentication code.

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Right.

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Right.

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And this is happening
all over it.

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And it, um, it's crazy
how many, uh, young kids

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are knowing about this.

00:17:02.370 --> 00:17:03.570
What about SIM spoofing?

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That should be pretty
straightforward.

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I guess if you have
the, uh, the technology.

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Yeah.

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And like I said, anything
is vulnerable through,

00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:13.470
through, um, through,
you know, manipulating

00:17:13.470 --> 00:17:16.500
your, um, your location
through various apps.

00:17:16.530 --> 00:17:16.860
Right?

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Right.

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I can go and download
a location, spoofing

00:17:19.560 --> 00:17:21.840
app and make it like
I'm somewhere else

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around the world.

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That's why it's important
that you may not care

00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.760
about your, your online
security, because AI, I

00:17:29.760 --> 00:17:32.100
don't have Facebook, but
you have a smartphone,

00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:35.040
you have email, you
have other things.

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And, and there's some
folks out there who

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have a lot of sensitive
information on there.

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Are you changing
your email regularly?

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And that's something
that I always encourage,

00:17:43.875 --> 00:17:45.925
you know, organizations
that do have it in a

00:17:45.945 --> 00:17:47.715
requirement every few
months to be like,

00:17:47.895 --> 00:17:50.505
this is mandatory
of you changing

00:17:50.505 --> 00:17:52.545
your email address,
address or password.

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Sorry.

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Good question.

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Or clarifying password.

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Okay.

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By the way, here's
my new, uh, here's

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my new email address
every like few months.

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No, that'd be
that's too much.

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That's yeah.

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So know your, your,
your password.

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And this is something
I do with my own

00:18:07.725 --> 00:18:11.445
family because my
grandparents, uh, bless

00:18:11.445 --> 00:18:12.255
them, bless their heart.

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96 years old.

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Uh, Mike, both my grandma
and grandfather, uh, and

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they live on their own.

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My grandpa is obsessed
with investing.

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He loves his email.

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That's his main way
of communication.

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And, and I said, well,
they may not care about

00:18:26.639 --> 00:18:27.810
it, but they're online.

00:18:28.260 --> 00:18:29.459
And, and I give
you a story.

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I was with my grandfather
a few weeks ago.

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They live, they live in
Winnipeg here in Canada.

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And I, uh, he, he told
me he got a call from,

00:18:37.419 --> 00:18:39.389
uh, apple, right?

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He doesn't use an
apple computer.

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It's so it's so funny.

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Cause my, my grandma has
an Android phone that she

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calls her, her iPhone.

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It's not it's it's
anyways, I just let

00:18:47.489 --> 00:18:48.270
her do her thing.

00:18:48.270 --> 00:18:50.010
But you know, 96 years
old, my grandma's

00:18:50.010 --> 00:18:52.469
texting me every day,
works the iPhone.

00:18:52.830 --> 00:18:53.340
Exactly.

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And my grandfather was
online and he goes, Nick,

00:18:56.010 --> 00:18:57.899
you know what you just
told me and share with

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me about online security
actually saved me.

00:19:01.409 --> 00:19:04.020
And I got a call one day
from a, they said they

00:19:04.020 --> 00:19:06.239
were from apple and they
said they need remote

00:19:06.239 --> 00:19:08.219
access to my computer
because they had,

00:19:08.340 --> 00:19:10.169
they detected a virus.

00:19:10.590 --> 00:19:11.520
And I said, well,
what do you do.

00:19:12.600 --> 00:19:15.360
I hung up and I
say, that's fine.

00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:17.190
And then what did you
do after he goes, I went

00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:18.780
to the apple website
and called the support

00:19:18.780 --> 00:19:21.300
number on the website
and he, wasn't afraid

00:19:21.300 --> 00:19:23.460
to just hang up and be
like, and I, and that's,

00:19:23.460 --> 00:19:24.450
that's important, right?

00:19:24.450 --> 00:19:26.070
Sometimes we want to be
nice on the phone and

00:19:26.070 --> 00:19:28.140
be like, oh yeah, you
knew where I got a call.

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I had one of the best
scams ever from actually.

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It was after I got my,
uh, my wifi put in at

00:19:35.060 --> 00:19:36.110
my house from Telus.

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Right.

00:19:36.950 --> 00:19:39.200
And so the guy
puts my wifi in.

00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:41.030
He, he says that
he's had everything

00:19:41.030 --> 00:19:42.230
set up and he goes,
Hey, you know, we're

00:19:42.230 --> 00:19:42.980
just doing a survey.

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You'll you might get
a call in a few days

00:19:44.360 --> 00:19:45.320
just to see how it was.

00:19:45.320 --> 00:19:46.280
And, you know,
give me, give me a

00:19:46.280 --> 00:19:46.940
five-star rating.

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And I was like, well,
you did a good job.

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So a few days later,
I'm, I'm distracted.

00:19:52.490 --> 00:19:53.540
I'm still kind of moving.

00:19:53.540 --> 00:19:56.720
And, uh, I get a
message from Telus.

00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:58.370
It's like, this is
an automated message.

00:19:58.640 --> 00:19:59.750
We want to let you
know that you will

00:19:59.750 --> 00:20:03.140
be receiving a call
shortly from Telus on

00:20:03.140 --> 00:20:05.150
the experience that
you just had setting

00:20:05.150 --> 00:20:06.020
up your home internet.

00:20:06.110 --> 00:20:06.980
I was like, cool.

00:20:07.280 --> 00:20:08.180
Yeah, I'm expecting it.

00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:08.510
Yeah.

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So I pull over and I
wait for the call within

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five minutes clockwork.

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I got.

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Hi, is this, uh, you
know, Nicholas, we

00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:17.970
understand that you just
had your, your, um, wifi

00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:18.810
put into your house.

00:20:19.350 --> 00:20:21.300
We just want to ask you
just want to clarify

00:20:21.300 --> 00:20:23.760
exactly that we are
talking to you before we

00:20:23.760 --> 00:20:24.540
go through the survey.

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I was like, oh
yeah, no problem.

00:20:25.800 --> 00:20:26.340
I'm busy.

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I just read it.

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And so I'm, I'm
distracted and they

00:20:29.580 --> 00:20:31.320
go, can you, can you
just confirm your

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first and last name?

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And I'm like this, and
they're like, can you

00:20:34.170 --> 00:20:35.160
confirm your email?

00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:36.780
And I'm like this,
and they're asking me

00:20:36.780 --> 00:20:38.400
a few more questions
that they would have

00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:39.180
anyways, on file.

00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:40.800
And then they're like,
can you just confirm

00:20:40.800 --> 00:20:42.690
your social and or
social security number?

00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:44.790
I was like, I
started laughing.

00:20:44.790 --> 00:20:47.340
I was like, you
guys, this is good.

00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:48.510
You guys did good.

00:20:48.510 --> 00:20:50.040
This is a good scam,
but this is what's

00:20:50.040 --> 00:20:50.520
going to happen.

00:20:50.520 --> 00:20:51.600
I'm going to hang
up right now.

00:20:51.630 --> 00:20:52.300
I'm going to call back.

00:20:52.300 --> 00:20:53.730
And the lady's like,
yeah, no problem.

00:20:53.730 --> 00:20:55.950
We totally understand
taking your security.

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Uh, and she just
kind of went with it.

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I was like, and a lot of
people would be like, oh,

00:20:59.130 --> 00:21:00.060
you, you seem so nice.

00:21:00.060 --> 00:21:01.410
Cause you know,
people will hang up

00:21:01.630 --> 00:21:02.670
your spam callers.

00:21:02.670 --> 00:21:02.820
Right.

00:21:02.820 --> 00:21:04.290
They'll hang up once
they understand that

00:21:04.290 --> 00:21:07.560
it's a scam, but anyone
else who's not thinking

00:21:07.560 --> 00:21:10.560
about that in busy moving
would just be like, Okay.

00:21:10.560 --> 00:21:10.740
Yeah.

00:21:10.740 --> 00:21:10.980
Yeah.

00:21:11.040 --> 00:21:11.490
Let's catch it.

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Okay.

00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:12.480
Let's just carry on.

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Yeah.

00:21:13.530 --> 00:21:14.010
Awareness.

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Right.

00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.680
We got to educate those
who are not grown up in

00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:19.790
this world, but, but,
uh, but use devices.

00:21:19.850 --> 00:21:19.950
Right?

00:21:20.250 --> 00:21:22.530
So that awareness, like
you're saying, okay.

00:21:22.590 --> 00:21:24.990
Let's say I'm
really cyber aware.

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Right?

00:21:25.290 --> 00:21:27.750
I've got a good sense
about my passwords.

00:21:27.810 --> 00:21:30.120
And you've talked about
passwords prior to the,

00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:32.370
uh, like key chain and
these different volts and

00:21:32.370 --> 00:21:33.390
things coming into play.

00:21:34.110 --> 00:21:36.150
I would just use an
algorithm, just a simple

00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:37.920
algorithm that I can
remember in my head

00:21:38.230 --> 00:21:41.710
that would work off of
whatever the application

00:21:41.710 --> 00:21:42.780
that I'm I'm using.

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And I just do add digits,
add letters, front and

00:21:46.800 --> 00:21:48.810
back, change digits
and delighters around.

00:21:49.590 --> 00:21:52.080
I just know, like, if I'm
logging into, let's say

00:21:52.110 --> 00:21:54.450
Gmail, that's going to
have a certain password.

00:21:54.450 --> 00:21:56.340
So if anyone figured
out my algorithm, all

00:21:56.340 --> 00:21:57.870
right, then I've done
all my passwords.

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Say that.

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Right.

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And you make it,
you make a few good

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points because yeah.

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Um, create your own
little algorithm.

00:22:03.360 --> 00:22:04.830
Don't, don't use
your pet's names,

00:22:04.830 --> 00:22:06.060
your kids' names,
something that will

00:22:06.210 --> 00:22:06.930
bring it back to you.

00:22:06.930 --> 00:22:08.610
If you're going to put
a zero, maybe change

00:22:08.610 --> 00:22:10.620
it with an O upper
case, lower case,

00:22:10.620 --> 00:22:11.190
things like that.

00:22:11.190 --> 00:22:12.830
And, and it's important
that you are changing

00:22:12.830 --> 00:22:14.190
your passwords and I'll,
I'll share something that

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actually happened to a
close friend of mine.

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She gets.

00:22:18.300 --> 00:22:20.100
And she actually
was an email.

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It was sent to her via
email and it said, you

00:22:23.070 --> 00:22:26.700
don't know who I am, but
I know you, and I know

00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:28.140
your password is this.

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And they actually put
her real password.

00:22:30.030 --> 00:22:31.530
So she's like, what?

00:22:31.890 --> 00:22:32.070
Yeah.

00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:34.350
And then the rest of
the letter says, and it

00:22:34.350 --> 00:22:36.510
was actually, um, and
I'll explain where it

00:22:36.510 --> 00:22:38.820
came from in a second,
but it kind of said, we

00:22:38.820 --> 00:22:40.530
have been watching you
through your camera.

00:22:41.790 --> 00:22:43.290
We know what
you were doing.

00:22:43.830 --> 00:22:44.160
Right.

00:22:44.190 --> 00:22:46.680
We have videoed
everything and she's

00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:48.000
like starting to sweat.

00:22:48.030 --> 00:22:49.980
She's trying to think
that I did, I do anything

00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:50.640
in front of my camera.

00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.490
I shouldn't be doing,
but they have my password

00:22:53.490 --> 00:22:54.930
and it's a well drafted.

00:22:55.785 --> 00:22:56.265
Email.

00:22:56.385 --> 00:22:59.415
Yeah, I got a call right
away and I said, she

00:22:59.415 --> 00:23:02.145
says, Nick, I need help.

00:23:02.385 --> 00:23:04.445
Uh, someone hacked
into my accounts, they

00:23:04.455 --> 00:23:06.285
hacked into my camera,
they have my password.

00:23:06.285 --> 00:23:07.845
I said, let me guess
they said that they

00:23:07.845 --> 00:23:08.985
were watching you
and filming you.

00:23:08.985 --> 00:23:11.115
And, and they, and it
kind of goes into like,

00:23:11.235 --> 00:23:13.095
we know that you were
on some pornographic

00:23:13.095 --> 00:23:16.005
websites and we play on
people's darkest fears.

00:23:16.005 --> 00:23:16.335
Right.

00:23:16.575 --> 00:23:18.105
I don't know if any
of you are, if you've

00:23:18.105 --> 00:23:20.145
heard or watched the
episode on black mirror,

00:23:20.205 --> 00:23:22.695
there is an identical
there's identical

00:23:22.695 --> 00:23:23.175
episode of that.

00:23:23.175 --> 00:23:24.345
And people were
just copying that.

00:23:25.125 --> 00:23:25.715
Exactly.

00:23:25.875 --> 00:23:27.315
But it was her password.

00:23:27.315 --> 00:23:28.125
So how do they get it?

00:23:28.425 --> 00:23:30.645
It's because she had
her password for years.

00:23:31.065 --> 00:23:33.885
It was in a known
data breach and.

00:23:35.340 --> 00:23:36.030
She didn't know about it.

00:23:36.330 --> 00:23:39.120
I always encourage people
to go to a website called

00:23:39.120 --> 00:23:44.220
have I been poned P w N E
D check for data breaches

00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.450
or another website called
monitor.firefox.com.

00:23:48.450 --> 00:23:50.610
Or you actually put in
your email in, and it'll

00:23:50.610 --> 00:23:52.890
notify you when a known
data breach has happened.

00:23:53.130 --> 00:23:53.970
You know, things
like that.

00:23:53.970 --> 00:23:55.380
How do you set up,
how do you set up

00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:56.340
certain ability?

00:23:56.340 --> 00:24:00.180
Because, um, you need to
protect your own self.

00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:00.570
Right?

00:24:00.650 --> 00:24:02.430
And I have, I have
these, you know, cause

00:24:02.910 --> 00:24:06.000
my mom, my dad, my
sister, they care only

00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.430
because I care, they
don't maybe really care.

00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.010
So, you know, I have to
set things up in their

00:24:11.010 --> 00:24:13.890
behalf and be like, all
right, mom, dad, we got

00:24:13.890 --> 00:24:14.730
to change your passwords.

00:24:14.730 --> 00:24:16.080
Like there's been
a breach here.

00:24:16.080 --> 00:24:16.920
And they're like, okay.

00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:17.610
Yeah, we'll set it up.

00:24:17.610 --> 00:24:20.430
And I said, please
just don't, don't just

00:24:20.430 --> 00:24:22.150
change one character
off your password, like

00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:24.360
create a good password.

00:24:24.360 --> 00:24:26.340
So yeah, just little
things like that.

00:24:26.340 --> 00:24:29.040
But you know, I, I,
when it gets into the

00:24:29.040 --> 00:24:30.780
whole world of open
source intelligence and

00:24:30.780 --> 00:24:32.340
I, I think I told you
this story, there's.

00:24:33.750 --> 00:24:36.570
Uh, a forum online and
many of the Chan boards

00:24:36.570 --> 00:24:38.460
like four Chan or eight,
eight Chan, which is

00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:39.750
now eight con right.

00:24:39.780 --> 00:24:42.660
Um, is a lot of, of,
of time on people's

00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:44.580
hands and, and through
Reddit as well.

00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:44.910
Right.

00:24:44.910 --> 00:24:47.130
It's a great source of
actually, if, if, if

00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.860
you're ever interested
in, in learning more

00:24:49.860 --> 00:24:52.350
about, oh, scent open
source intelligence,

00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:56.730
go check out the,
the, the, um, uh, on

00:24:56.730 --> 00:24:58.560
Reddit, there's you
just subscribe to,

00:24:58.560 --> 00:25:00.960
to . And it actually
shares with techniques,

00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:03.630
all these things, which
are quite easy to do.

00:25:03.970 --> 00:25:04.530
Interesting.

00:25:04.620 --> 00:25:08.010
But there was a story
how, um, uh, and it

00:25:08.010 --> 00:25:10.290
actually, if, if it's
from, you know, Shyla

00:25:10.290 --> 00:25:11.520
buff, Shyla buff.

00:25:11.520 --> 00:25:13.950
So this is back when,
when Trump was kind of

00:25:13.950 --> 00:25:15.660
getting into politics
and, and before he

00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.780
came presidents and,
um, what Charlotte

00:25:18.810 --> 00:25:20.340
did is he has a sign.

00:25:20.340 --> 00:25:22.680
It said, um, he
will not divide us.

00:25:23.580 --> 00:25:25.620
And he takes this sign,
which is essentially

00:25:25.620 --> 00:25:28.230
just a flag and he
puts it up in the sky.

00:25:29.745 --> 00:25:31.695
And he puts a live
stream camera on it.

00:25:32.205 --> 00:25:33.825
Now, no one knows
where it is.

00:25:33.825 --> 00:25:35.295
It's somewhere in
the United States.

00:25:35.385 --> 00:25:37.575
It is literally in
a field somewhere

00:25:37.575 --> 00:25:39.105
in the night in
the United States.

00:25:39.675 --> 00:25:41.055
He puts this
flag in the sky.

00:25:41.055 --> 00:25:41.895
Huge flagpole.

00:25:41.925 --> 00:25:43.155
No one knows where it is.

00:25:43.305 --> 00:25:45.465
He puts a livestream
camera on the flag and

00:25:45.465 --> 00:25:48.555
all you see is a flag
and the sky, you see

00:25:48.555 --> 00:25:51.075
clouds, passing planes,
passing, birds, passing.

00:25:51.075 --> 00:25:51.524
That's it.

00:25:52.815 --> 00:25:55.485
So how does a group
of individuals on

00:25:55.485 --> 00:25:59.504
forums like Reddit
find that flag?

00:25:59.985 --> 00:26:01.575
Well, how do we use
open source techniques?

00:26:01.845 --> 00:26:04.875
Let's start by thinking
it's a live stream.

00:26:06.165 --> 00:26:08.504
You watch the live
stream, which will

00:26:08.504 --> 00:26:10.695
then narrow down
sunrise, sunset.

00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:11.760
Right.

00:26:11.790 --> 00:26:11.970
Okay.

00:26:11.970 --> 00:26:14.130
So from your sunrise
and sunset on that live

00:26:14.130 --> 00:26:15.330
stream, you're like,
oh, that's definitely

00:26:15.330 --> 00:26:16.020
not west coast.

00:26:16.020 --> 00:26:17.430
It's still super
sunny here.

00:26:17.850 --> 00:26:19.620
It may be isn't central.

00:26:19.890 --> 00:26:22.320
The sun, the sun is
still shining over here

00:26:22.530 --> 00:26:23.400
or maybe it's gone.

00:26:23.490 --> 00:26:25.950
And so they, they narrow
it down to, you know, uh,

00:26:26.260 --> 00:26:28.860
one third of the United
States saying it's gotta

00:26:28.860 --> 00:26:29.820
be on the east coast.

00:26:30.615 --> 00:26:33.135
So just from that alone,
they've broken down where

00:26:33.135 --> 00:26:34.605
it should be from there.

00:26:34.875 --> 00:26:36.435
They're starting to
listen to sounds and

00:26:36.435 --> 00:26:37.515
see things in the sky.

00:26:38.145 --> 00:26:39.495
There's planes going by.

00:26:40.065 --> 00:26:42.465
There's actually a cool
app on, uh, that you

00:26:42.465 --> 00:26:44.895
can get it's called,
I believe flighty

00:26:45.015 --> 00:26:47.025
there's many, there's
many apps that you

00:26:47.025 --> 00:26:48.135
can actually monitor.

00:26:48.465 --> 00:26:49.575
And, and this, this
is actually what I was

00:26:49.575 --> 00:26:51.615
doing during the, during
the pandemic, because

00:26:51.615 --> 00:26:53.655
all these flights being
halted from China and

00:26:53.655 --> 00:26:55.425
everything, and I'm
still seeing flights

00:26:55.425 --> 00:26:57.735
come in and it shows
you a live stream of

00:26:57.735 --> 00:27:00.615
exactly every flight
that's in the air now.

00:27:00.645 --> 00:27:02.445
So if you've ever looked
up in the sky and you're

00:27:02.445 --> 00:27:04.605
like, oh, I wonder where
that flight is going.

00:27:05.025 --> 00:27:05.955
There's an app for that.

00:27:06.345 --> 00:27:08.175
You literally GPS
coordinates on your

00:27:08.175 --> 00:27:10.275
phone and you're like
that app has, or that

00:27:10.275 --> 00:27:11.295
plane is over top of me.

00:27:11.775 --> 00:27:13.845
That that 7 47 is off to.

00:27:14.515 --> 00:27:15.925
Or it's landing
in Vancouver.

00:27:16.105 --> 00:27:17.635
So they actually had
people monitoring

00:27:17.635 --> 00:27:19.945
the app and trying to
figure out, you know,

00:27:19.945 --> 00:27:22.165
where, you know, flights
were coming, different

00:27:22.165 --> 00:27:24.115
flight patterns, and
it's quite remarkable.

00:27:24.115 --> 00:27:25.375
It's getting these
team together.

00:27:25.915 --> 00:27:27.715
So they kind of narrow
down a certain area and

00:27:27.715 --> 00:27:29.865
then they hear frogs
in the background and

00:27:29.865 --> 00:27:31.615
they're like, okay,
it's not probably not.

00:27:31.825 --> 00:27:33.055
Or a certain
type of insect.

00:27:33.055 --> 00:27:34.765
And they're like, that
is that there's someone

00:27:34.765 --> 00:27:35.905
down there is like,
oh, that's a native

00:27:35.905 --> 00:27:37.315
insect to, to this area.

00:27:37.885 --> 00:27:41.035
And so as they're
starting to narrow it

00:27:41.035 --> 00:27:43.675
down, they actually get
a bunch of individuals

00:27:43.675 --> 00:27:44.575
with their trucks.

00:27:45.355 --> 00:27:45.775
Okay.

00:27:46.135 --> 00:27:48.445
And they start driving
everyone from certain,

00:27:48.565 --> 00:27:50.305
certain cities that they
live in that are, maybe

00:27:50.305 --> 00:27:52.885
are close to where these
types of animals are.

00:27:53.545 --> 00:27:55.465
They go and they start
to honk their horns.

00:27:55.645 --> 00:27:58.445
So people on the live
stream, so people in the.

00:27:59.655 --> 00:28:00.554
Oh, I, I heard you.

00:28:00.764 --> 00:28:01.995
I heard you over
here and okay.

00:28:01.995 --> 00:28:04.514
Everyone else be quiet
and it hot or cold.

00:28:04.514 --> 00:28:06.405
And then they finally
narrow it down just by

00:28:06.405 --> 00:28:08.955
everyone working together
and certain open source

00:28:08.955 --> 00:28:11.685
techniques or certain
abilities, like, uh,

00:28:11.715 --> 00:28:13.304
you know, monitoring
the flights and, and

00:28:13.304 --> 00:28:16.185
there's quite a extensive
way that they were

00:28:16.185 --> 00:28:17.685
able to work together
to find information.

00:28:18.165 --> 00:28:18.524
Right.

00:28:18.855 --> 00:28:20.835
And, and, and I, you
know, part of my role

00:28:20.835 --> 00:28:22.395
within, within the
military, as well as

00:28:22.395 --> 00:28:25.605
working with, um, uh,
influence activities and

00:28:25.605 --> 00:28:28.245
psychological operations,
um, we have, there's

00:28:28.245 --> 00:28:30.105
a great task force
here in, in Canada.

00:28:30.794 --> 00:28:32.804
Um, and, and I, I work
on the, on the kind of

00:28:32.804 --> 00:28:36.585
the, the west coast here,
but when I shared just

00:28:36.585 --> 00:28:41.024
a basic presentation
about how vulnerable

00:28:41.024 --> 00:28:45.314
police can be military
can be, um, and I share

00:28:45.314 --> 00:28:48.554
a story where, um, uh,
there was a certain,

00:28:48.675 --> 00:28:52.215
uh, force overseas and
this certain area, a

00:28:52.215 --> 00:28:54.165
lot of the troops were,
you know, had time off.

00:28:54.165 --> 00:28:54.824
So what would they do?

00:28:54.824 --> 00:28:56.175
They'd, they'd buy
a phone from the.

00:28:57.149 --> 00:28:58.260
That's the
first red flag.

00:28:58.290 --> 00:28:59.550
If you, if you want
to buy a phone from

00:28:59.550 --> 00:29:01.919
the area, like I'd
have the us or Canada

00:29:01.919 --> 00:29:02.969
ship their own phones.

00:29:02.969 --> 00:29:05.340
And maybe there's just
a lot of weird red

00:29:05.340 --> 00:29:07.500
flags when I'm going to
a place that I'm, you

00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:09.600
know, occupying and all
of a sudden I'm buying a

00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:10.889
phone from there, right?

00:29:10.889 --> 00:29:12.000
So that's a
few red flags.

00:29:12.030 --> 00:29:13.590
And then these,
these, you know, 21,

00:29:13.590 --> 00:29:15.750
22, 23 year olds,
what are they doing?

00:29:15.899 --> 00:29:17.520
Well, I'm in, you know,
Eastern Europe, I'm

00:29:17.520 --> 00:29:19.469
going to Ukraine pole
in Latvia where some

00:29:19.469 --> 00:29:22.110
of our Canadian troops
are, and we're, I'm at

00:29:22.110 --> 00:29:24.510
download Tinder, right.

00:29:24.629 --> 00:29:25.949
I'm going to start
swiping and find,

00:29:25.949 --> 00:29:27.899
you know, and, and
what were they doing?

00:29:27.899 --> 00:29:31.050
The enemy was creating
fake Tinder profiles.

00:29:31.139 --> 00:29:33.360
That's brilliant to
try to get information

00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:35.899
from our troops cause
this hot blonde or

00:29:35.909 --> 00:29:38.219
maybe another force
member is, is, is on.

00:29:38.280 --> 00:29:39.300
And then they're
saying, oh yeah, like

00:29:39.300 --> 00:29:40.169
where are you located?

00:29:40.169 --> 00:29:41.429
You know, where
are you going next?

00:29:41.429 --> 00:29:42.600
So we should, we
shouldn't beat up.

00:29:42.659 --> 00:29:43.919
Oh my God, I'm
there as well too.

00:29:44.370 --> 00:29:45.240
It's this catfish.

00:29:46.439 --> 00:29:46.740
Right.

00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:48.419
And that is, you know,
I even said, you know,

00:29:48.479 --> 00:29:53.145
I even said, I showed
and this kind, kinda got

00:29:53.145 --> 00:29:55.035
me in trouble a little
bit, but it woke a bunch

00:29:55.035 --> 00:29:57.885
of people up where,
where, you know, some of

00:29:57.945 --> 00:30:01.305
older individuals, they
were like, uh, I said

00:30:01.485 --> 00:30:03.855
within five minutes,
I could probably bring

00:30:03.855 --> 00:30:05.745
up a military member
and share with you

00:30:05.745 --> 00:30:06.885
things about their life.

00:30:07.605 --> 00:30:08.955
And they're like,
no, no, you can't,

00:30:08.955 --> 00:30:09.675
you can't do that.

00:30:09.695 --> 00:30:11.265
And of course in
the military here

00:30:11.265 --> 00:30:14.115
in Canada, we don't
do any intelligence

00:30:14.115 --> 00:30:15.795
or any gathering
on our own folks.

00:30:15.795 --> 00:30:18.705
So I used a military
member as kind of

00:30:18.705 --> 00:30:19.575
like a subject.

00:30:19.575 --> 00:30:22.155
So I brought this
military member and I

00:30:22.155 --> 00:30:25.305
said, um, this is, you
know what regimens he's

00:30:25.305 --> 00:30:26.655
in his wife's pregnant.

00:30:26.685 --> 00:30:27.405
This is his vehicle.

00:30:27.405 --> 00:30:28.245
This is licensed play.

00:30:28.245 --> 00:30:28.995
This is newborn.

00:30:29.025 --> 00:30:29.325
Okay.

00:30:29.325 --> 00:30:30.135
So here's the
other thing.

00:30:30.765 --> 00:30:33.255
How can I use that from a
psychological standpoint?

00:30:33.255 --> 00:30:35.085
Well, uh, maybe
I know he's done.

00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:36.270
Right.

00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.020
Okay.

00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:40.260
And, and for me, I'm
a, uh, you know, I'm

00:30:40.260 --> 00:30:42.810
somebody who, who just
wants it, wants them

00:30:42.810 --> 00:30:43.710
to crash and burn.

00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:45.510
So I have fake profiles.

00:30:46.050 --> 00:30:48.690
What stopping me
while he's deployed.

00:30:48.810 --> 00:30:50.910
He may not talk to his
wife for, you know,

00:30:51.150 --> 00:30:53.370
a few weeks, maybe a
month, depending on what

00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:56.790
he's doing, but what's
stopping me from maybe

00:30:56.790 --> 00:30:59.700
messaging his wife while
he's gone from another

00:31:00.090 --> 00:31:02.850
female fake account
I've created right.

00:31:02.879 --> 00:31:05.550
Saying, Hey, um, I just
want to let you know

00:31:05.550 --> 00:31:06.570
and introduce myself.

00:31:06.570 --> 00:31:09.690
My name is so-and-so
me and my husband

00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:13.110
and I we've been, you
know, having an affair

00:31:13.110 --> 00:31:13.740
over the last a while.

00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:15.480
I didn't understand
that he was married.

00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:17.129
I thought I'd let you
know, even though I'm

00:31:17.129 --> 00:31:18.840
falsifying this, but
I'm just gathering

00:31:18.840 --> 00:31:20.370
information I found
in your social media.

00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:20.760
Yeah.

00:31:21.300 --> 00:31:23.550
What's going to happen
when he calls home.

00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.150
She has all of this
anger and then they

00:31:27.150 --> 00:31:27.840
can't be together.

00:31:28.320 --> 00:31:30.270
And all of a sudden
it's a mind game.

00:31:30.270 --> 00:31:31.200
Like I'm not cheating.

00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:32.340
And she's like,
I got a cough.

00:31:32.370 --> 00:31:33.750
I have the messages,
I have this.

00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.960
And now all the
psychological mess up

00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.330
in his mind while he's
halfway across the world

00:31:39.330 --> 00:31:40.290
trying to do a job.

00:31:40.860 --> 00:31:42.570
And he's out in the
battle space and he's

00:31:42.570 --> 00:31:43.890
trying to defend, you
know, watch his buddy

00:31:43.890 --> 00:31:45.030
six and all this.

00:31:45.655 --> 00:31:47.395
He's distracted for
a second because

00:31:47.395 --> 00:31:48.955
he's like, my wife's
probably mad at me.

00:31:48.955 --> 00:31:50.355
She's going to leave
me, she, to me home.

00:31:50.365 --> 00:31:51.445
Is she going to
find someone else?

00:31:51.445 --> 00:31:54.145
And, and it's just, you
know, you're only as

00:31:54.145 --> 00:31:55.615
strong as your weakest
link and these are

00:31:55.615 --> 00:31:58.225
things that we need
to train our troops

00:31:58.225 --> 00:31:58.945
before they go over.

00:31:59.125 --> 00:32:00.445
Have you had a
conversation with your

00:32:00.445 --> 00:32:02.155
wife about this, about
what could happen,

00:32:02.395 --> 00:32:04.615
uh, about, about,
Hey, I love, you know,

00:32:04.615 --> 00:32:06.324
I, I just came back
from Texas yesterday.

00:32:06.415 --> 00:32:06.774
Right.

00:32:07.074 --> 00:32:09.625
And I traveled to the
states once a week.

00:32:10.014 --> 00:32:10.195
Right.

00:32:10.195 --> 00:32:11.784
I'm I'm in an airplane
over a hundred, a

00:32:11.784 --> 00:32:14.155
hundred, a hundred
flights a year, traveling

00:32:14.155 --> 00:32:14.965
to the states all over.

00:32:14.965 --> 00:32:17.245
I did a day trip to
Reno, Texas, back to

00:32:17.245 --> 00:32:19.705
Reno or back to Texas
and I'll go, you know,

00:32:19.705 --> 00:32:21.475
Chicago, Denver, and
that's a week for me.

00:32:21.774 --> 00:32:22.105
Right.

00:32:22.764 --> 00:32:23.725
A lot of air
miles, by the way.

00:32:24.594 --> 00:32:25.855
So, yeah.

00:32:25.855 --> 00:32:27.534
And actually I gave
him away actually

00:32:27.534 --> 00:32:28.824
for Christmas a
few years ago.

00:32:28.824 --> 00:32:29.905
That was like my
Christmas presents

00:32:29.905 --> 00:32:30.445
in my family.

00:32:30.475 --> 00:32:30.804
Wow.

00:32:31.284 --> 00:32:32.844
But how are we having
a conversation about,

00:32:32.844 --> 00:32:36.054
and I love, you know, I
love the state of Texas

00:32:36.685 --> 00:32:38.725
and it's, it's awesome.

00:32:38.725 --> 00:32:38.965
Right.

00:32:39.024 --> 00:32:40.135
And so they're.

00:32:40.950 --> 00:32:42.780
Proud military state.

00:32:43.470 --> 00:32:45.420
And so you'll see a
lot of the times like

00:32:45.450 --> 00:32:48.540
bumper stickers, maybe
the wafer or whatever,

00:32:48.540 --> 00:32:50.639
driving saying, I'm a
proud, I'm a proud member

00:32:50.639 --> 00:32:54.389
of a current deployed
us army, whatever.

00:32:54.389 --> 00:32:55.889
And like, you're
just telling me

00:32:55.889 --> 00:32:57.480
that your husband's
deployed right now.

00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:58.710
And now you put a
bumpers, it's just

00:32:58.710 --> 00:33:01.020
like putting into the
world of, uh, about

00:33:01.020 --> 00:33:01.889
things about you.

00:33:01.889 --> 00:33:03.180
So things that we
don't really kind

00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:03.810
of think about,

00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:04.440
right.

00:33:04.470 --> 00:33:05.910
A little soccer bowl,
dangling from the

00:33:05.910 --> 00:33:06.780
rear view mirror.

00:33:06.930 --> 00:33:07.650
Exactly.

00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:09.180
A little picture
of the family.

00:33:09.270 --> 00:33:10.379
I helping your family.

00:33:10.389 --> 00:33:10.710
Yeah.

00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:10.950
Right.

00:33:10.950 --> 00:33:11.220
Yeah.

00:33:11.250 --> 00:33:11.760
I love that.

00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:12.990
And, and these are
things that we need

00:33:12.990 --> 00:33:15.510
to start to train, you
know, uh, I deal with

00:33:15.510 --> 00:33:19.800
a lot of, uh, police
who are undercover.

00:33:20.129 --> 00:33:23.280
Um, I have a certain,
uh, friend who is in

00:33:23.280 --> 00:33:25.530
a certain three-letter
agency down in the

00:33:25.530 --> 00:33:28.410
states who newly
retired, but he's,

00:33:29.129 --> 00:33:32.070
he's been undercover
or he was undercover

00:33:32.070 --> 00:33:33.780
for a very long time.

00:33:33.780 --> 00:33:37.080
And he was sitting in
one of my classes and,

00:33:37.080 --> 00:33:40.770
uh, He's at the very
back and he puts his

00:33:40.770 --> 00:33:42.780
feet up on the desk and
it kind of leans back.

00:33:42.780 --> 00:33:45.270
He's like, you want
me to search myself on

00:33:45.270 --> 00:33:48.270
Google and online, man,
I've been undercover

00:33:48.270 --> 00:33:51.540
for, you know, over a
decade longer than that.

00:33:52.350 --> 00:33:55.080
And I said, you
don't think I can

00:33:55.080 --> 00:33:55.860
find you online.

00:33:56.340 --> 00:33:57.540
He's like, you're
not going to find me.

00:33:57.959 --> 00:34:00.179
And so we had myself
and another analyst of

00:34:00.179 --> 00:34:01.649
ours in the room and
I suite, and I said,

00:34:02.159 --> 00:34:02.939
challenge accepted.

00:34:04.139 --> 00:34:05.639
And so I didn't have
time then, but that

00:34:05.639 --> 00:34:10.350
night I searched him
and I found out where

00:34:10.350 --> 00:34:12.900
he used to live when he
was deep, undercover,

00:34:13.560 --> 00:34:15.420
and different addresses
and phone numbers.

00:34:16.350 --> 00:34:17.310
And so I sent it to him.

00:34:17.310 --> 00:34:19.469
I said, Hey, you know,
he's now, you know,

00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:20.429
shaved head bald.

00:34:20.429 --> 00:34:22.409
And I said, Hey, I didn't
know, you lived here

00:34:22.409 --> 00:34:23.250
during the eighties.

00:34:23.250 --> 00:34:24.210
You know, what,
what does your hair

00:34:24.210 --> 00:34:24.870
look like back then?

00:34:24.870 --> 00:34:25.889
And he goes,
how did he know?

00:34:25.889 --> 00:34:26.400
I lived there.

00:34:27.764 --> 00:34:29.445
Because it was a
challenge and I wanted

00:34:29.445 --> 00:34:30.825
to find information on
you cause it was out

00:34:30.825 --> 00:34:32.895
there and there in the
states, there's a huge

00:34:33.284 --> 00:34:36.005
database of people,
search engines, right.

00:34:36.075 --> 00:34:37.395
That are pretty robust.

00:34:37.425 --> 00:34:40.185
They are down to
where you live, right.

00:34:40.365 --> 00:34:41.835
There's a website that,
that if you want to

00:34:41.835 --> 00:34:43.215
search yourself, if
you're from the states,

00:34:43.215 --> 00:34:47.025
mainly US-based website,
it's called Spokio right.

00:34:47.085 --> 00:34:50.235
Many websites like that,
you know, um, family

00:34:50.235 --> 00:34:53.054
tree now.com uh, all
these other things.

00:34:53.054 --> 00:34:55.905
And, and there's
information about you,

00:34:55.935 --> 00:34:58.065
even though you may
not be on social media.

00:34:58.065 --> 00:34:59.775
So we need to train our
law enforcement who are,

00:34:59.775 --> 00:35:04.155
who are deep, undercover,
because guess what, if I

00:35:04.875 --> 00:35:07.035
identify who you are, I'm
going to find information

00:35:07.035 --> 00:35:09.255
that may be blow your
undercover, or it

00:35:09.255 --> 00:35:11.025
could be just a generic
general duty officer.

00:35:11.415 --> 00:35:13.185
You could have your
name badge right here.

00:35:13.455 --> 00:35:15.555
You could pull me over
and I could be like, oh,

00:35:15.585 --> 00:35:16.785
officer so-and-so right.

00:35:16.785 --> 00:35:17.745
I could grab
your last name.

00:35:18.629 --> 00:35:20.819
What's stopping me
then from searching

00:35:20.819 --> 00:35:21.629
you online.

00:35:22.109 --> 00:35:23.549
And the next time you
pull me over, I go,

00:35:23.580 --> 00:35:24.509
oh, officer so-and-so.

00:35:24.509 --> 00:35:26.189
I understand your,
your kid goes to

00:35:26.189 --> 00:35:27.029
school down the street.

00:35:27.600 --> 00:35:29.220
Oh, your wife,
wife works here.

00:35:29.850 --> 00:35:31.169
You really want to
give me that ticket.

00:35:31.979 --> 00:35:33.089
And now they're in
this predicament.

00:35:33.089 --> 00:35:36.149
Like, so we have
to understand that,

00:35:36.149 --> 00:35:38.790
that it's not just
maybe us it's maybe

00:35:39.089 --> 00:35:40.740
especially we're in a
law enforcement type

00:35:40.740 --> 00:35:43.350
role or a military type
role or whatever, even

00:35:43.350 --> 00:35:45.930
just even just bumping
down the street or, and

00:35:45.930 --> 00:35:48.540
it seems somebody and,
and, and, you know, then

00:35:48.540 --> 00:35:50.609
maybe figuring out what
your name is or you're in

00:35:50.609 --> 00:35:52.950
line at a grocery store
and your, uh, what's your

00:35:52.950 --> 00:35:54.359
rewards number for file.

00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:56.580
A lot of people will
have their Starbucks

00:35:56.580 --> 00:35:58.979
rewards or, or grocery
store rewards based

00:35:58.979 --> 00:35:59.729
on their phone number.

00:35:59.939 --> 00:36:00.270
Yeah.

00:36:00.689 --> 00:36:02.189
How many times are
you blurted that out

00:36:02.189 --> 00:36:04.439
for everyone to hear
everyone, everyone.

00:36:04.950 --> 00:36:05.220
Right.

00:36:05.220 --> 00:36:06.990
So we need to start to
think about these basic

00:36:06.990 --> 00:36:08.100
things and not just for.

00:36:09.075 --> 00:36:10.725
For those that we
love around us.

00:36:10.875 --> 00:36:13.424
And that's all, that's
old understanding the,

00:36:13.424 --> 00:36:15.645
how much we can gather
from that open source

00:36:15.645 --> 00:36:16.545
available information

00:36:17.295 --> 00:36:20.835
like this  idea has been
around well Fort well,

00:36:20.835 --> 00:36:22.634
before the internet,
it's just open source

00:36:22.665 --> 00:36:24.375
things that people can
gather information on.

00:36:24.435 --> 00:36:26.475
I remember hearing
stories, my grandfather,

00:36:26.475 --> 00:36:30.495
he was Vancouver police,
and you would have

00:36:30.495 --> 00:36:31.875
people parked out front.

00:36:31.995 --> 00:36:34.455
And, uh, I remember
my mom saying one

00:36:34.455 --> 00:36:36.615
time, he just dragged
a guy in, from a car

00:36:36.615 --> 00:36:38.355
from outside, take him
across the desk and

00:36:38.714 --> 00:36:40.154
started laying into him.

00:36:40.185 --> 00:36:42.045
I guess what you
did back in the day.

00:36:42.404 --> 00:36:44.924
I remember as a kid,
uh, we we'd get phone

00:36:44.924 --> 00:36:46.964
calls, even though
were unlisted or my,

00:36:46.964 --> 00:36:48.524
uh, my grandparents
had phoned up and they

00:36:48.524 --> 00:36:50.444
say, no, someone's
looking for you.

00:36:50.444 --> 00:36:51.555
They're trying, they're
trying to find you.

00:36:51.555 --> 00:36:53.145
So I give them your
phone number, tell you

00:36:53.145 --> 00:36:53.745
where they can find them.

00:36:53.955 --> 00:36:54.645
There's always this.

00:36:55.455 --> 00:36:59.205
This sense of privacy
that everybody needs and

00:36:59.205 --> 00:37:01.845
different people in more
secure roles will need

00:37:01.845 --> 00:37:05.265
a higher level of, uh,
privacy because of the

00:37:05.265 --> 00:37:07.275
people that they're going
to be surrounded by.

00:37:07.695 --> 00:37:10.155
But in today's day and
age, we're not really

00:37:10.245 --> 00:37:13.365
afforded that luxury
of being able to say

00:37:13.365 --> 00:37:15.525
all my, my phone number
is unlisted, right.

00:37:15.555 --> 00:37:20.415
Or I, when you're
talking earlier about,

00:37:21.165 --> 00:37:22.935
okay, you've got
yourself sorted, you've

00:37:22.935 --> 00:37:25.425
got your open source
intelligence profile.

00:37:25.425 --> 00:37:26.895
You've Googled yourself
and it looks good.

00:37:27.585 --> 00:37:30.975
What about your husband,
your wife, your kids.

00:37:31.305 --> 00:37:34.245
And I've told this story
before in the podcast.

00:37:34.245 --> 00:37:35.715
It was, I just
did it for fun.

00:37:35.715 --> 00:37:37.395
I mean, it was at a
lawyer's office, was

00:37:37.395 --> 00:37:40.035
doing some consulting
for, and I was waiting

00:37:40.095 --> 00:37:41.745
while the private
investigator was chatting

00:37:41.745 --> 00:37:42.825
with the lawyer and
they're telling them

00:37:42.825 --> 00:37:44.685
all about how they can't
find this one woman

00:37:44.685 --> 00:37:47.055
that they're supposed
to be serving a warrant.

00:37:48.299 --> 00:37:50.040
And while I'm waiting
there in the side

00:37:50.040 --> 00:37:51.390
room, I'm just kind of
listening to him, the

00:37:51.390 --> 00:37:53.880
conversation that's
I started typing away

00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:55.980
and I didn't find her
through any of her own

00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:59.190
accounts, but I found
it through her child's

00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:00.540
music teacher account.

00:38:00.630 --> 00:38:03.630
And I said, um, you know,
if, if you go there next

00:38:03.630 --> 00:38:06.150
Thursday, at this time
on swamp, she, a music

00:38:06.150 --> 00:38:08.759
teacher that's going to
be, and they were able to

00:38:08.759 --> 00:38:09.840
find the person that way.

00:38:10.049 --> 00:38:13.710
So let's say your
completely squared away.

00:38:13.930 --> 00:38:18.090
How do you square
away those, those data

00:38:18.090 --> 00:38:21.180
leaks or those privacy
breach leaks at all

00:38:21.180 --> 00:38:22.860
of your friends and
relatives might have,

00:38:23.310 --> 00:38:27.870
you know, um, for me
personally, I, when

00:38:27.870 --> 00:38:30.450
I first started this
role, I was very, uh,

00:38:32.175 --> 00:38:33.404
I'm deleting everything.

00:38:33.404 --> 00:38:34.395
I'm going to
get a new phone.

00:38:34.395 --> 00:38:35.865
I'm going to start
over with a new email.

00:38:35.865 --> 00:38:36.825
I'm going to start
on everything.

00:38:36.825 --> 00:38:40.185
And then really for
me, I had to, uh, you

00:38:40.185 --> 00:38:41.565
know, I create a lot
of burner accounts

00:38:41.565 --> 00:38:42.465
just to learn about it.

00:38:42.465 --> 00:38:45.255
But as I started to
transition from fully

00:38:45.255 --> 00:38:47.355
investigating to now
taking the information

00:38:47.355 --> 00:38:49.755
and doing training and
development, I do have

00:38:49.755 --> 00:38:50.685
an online presence.

00:38:50.865 --> 00:38:51.195
Right.

00:38:51.495 --> 00:38:53.925
I I'm active, you
know, and the biggest,

00:38:53.925 --> 00:38:55.695
the biggest one and
the challenge for

00:38:55.695 --> 00:38:57.165
me was LinkedIn.

00:38:57.404 --> 00:38:57.795
Okay.

00:38:58.065 --> 00:39:00.075
LinkedIn is.

00:39:01.080 --> 00:39:03.270
Wealth of information
on individuals.

00:39:03.270 --> 00:39:06.870
And I was very reluctant
to have it, but because

00:39:06.870 --> 00:39:10.290
I was meeting and
presenting to, to, uh,

00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.460
you know, groups of, of
different agencies down

00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:16.200
in the states, different
law enforcement, they're

00:39:16.200 --> 00:39:17.220
always like, Hey,
are you on LinkedIn?

00:39:17.220 --> 00:39:17.790
Let's connect.

00:39:17.790 --> 00:39:19.770
And now it's kinda
my way of connecting.

00:39:19.770 --> 00:39:21.990
So I had to I'm
either fully in

00:39:22.020 --> 00:39:22.560
you're either full.

00:39:23.455 --> 00:39:24.295
Or full out.

00:39:24.295 --> 00:39:26.035
You're not just, you
don't just have like

00:39:26.065 --> 00:39:28.225
a little bit in, cause
you're in, right?

00:39:28.495 --> 00:39:29.635
You got a presence.

00:39:30.115 --> 00:39:34.495
You are no phone number,
no, no email address,

00:39:34.495 --> 00:39:35.275
no social media.

00:39:35.275 --> 00:39:37.945
And even down in the
states and uh, when you

00:39:37.945 --> 00:39:40.585
buy a house or, or when
you get, when you do

00:39:40.585 --> 00:39:42.445
get a phone number, like
there's, there's going

00:39:42.445 --> 00:39:43.255
to be listed to you.

00:39:43.255 --> 00:39:45.925
And there's a gentleman
who's kind of a subject

00:39:45.925 --> 00:39:47.665
matter expert who I look
up to in this field.

00:39:47.665 --> 00:39:49.465
Michael Buzzell,
basil is his name.

00:39:49.585 --> 00:39:49.825
Yeah.

00:39:50.125 --> 00:39:53.335
He teaches people how to
buy homes, uh, without

00:39:53.335 --> 00:39:54.625
having their names
attached to it, or kind

00:39:54.625 --> 00:39:56.635
of disappear online.

00:39:56.815 --> 00:39:57.115
Right.

00:39:57.175 --> 00:39:59.575
Um, uh, Intel
techniques.com is a

00:39:59.575 --> 00:40:01.555
great website for four.

00:40:01.645 --> 00:40:03.925
And I get no kickbacks or
ties from that one site.

00:40:03.925 --> 00:40:05.965
It just, I, I I've
learned a lot from him.

00:40:05.965 --> 00:40:07.525
So, so I w I want
to share that

00:40:07.525 --> 00:40:08.275
kind of love, but.

00:40:09.285 --> 00:40:11.865
I it's just, you know,
even, even right now,

00:40:11.865 --> 00:40:13.605
you're like, Hey, let's,
uh, let's take a photo

00:40:13.605 --> 00:40:15.045
and you'll put it on
your social media.

00:40:15.915 --> 00:40:16.305
Okay.

00:40:16.365 --> 00:40:16.995
That's great.

00:40:16.995 --> 00:40:18.795
Promoting the podcast,
promoting the great work

00:40:18.795 --> 00:40:20.595
that you're doing, but
are we going to take

00:40:20.595 --> 00:40:23.125
a photo with all your
little key features of,

00:40:23.125 --> 00:40:24.265
of your electronics here?

00:40:24.295 --> 00:40:26.115
Maybe there's something
on the wall that, that

00:40:26.175 --> 00:40:27.375
someone could zoom into.

00:40:27.375 --> 00:40:29.295
And, and I don't think
people really realize

00:40:29.295 --> 00:40:32.025
that we're in the day and
age where our kids and

00:40:32.045 --> 00:40:35.415
I've seen time and time
again, how many kids are

00:40:35.415 --> 00:40:38.055
going into mom and dad's
closet and finding their

00:40:38.055 --> 00:40:41.565
military or, or, or,
uh, uh, law enforcement

00:40:41.565 --> 00:40:44.055
uniforms and putting that
on or taking photos of,

00:40:44.325 --> 00:40:46.545
you know, maybe different
things or posting online.

00:40:46.545 --> 00:40:49.905
But it's, it's having
a conversation that we

00:40:49.905 --> 00:40:53.265
know kids will be online
these days, your kids.

00:40:53.505 --> 00:40:53.835
Oh yeah.

00:40:54.015 --> 00:40:59.175
But you can be
online, but constant

00:40:59.175 --> 00:41:01.305
communication, open
dialogue to say, this is

00:41:01.305 --> 00:41:02.085
what mom and dad do for.

00:41:03.420 --> 00:41:06.360
And it may be cool to
want to take a photo of

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.820
the inside of our house
or a photo of our car

00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:11.009
where you see a license
plate, but I want you

00:41:11.009 --> 00:41:13.080
to start to think how
can that eventually

00:41:13.350 --> 00:41:14.160
get us in trouble?

00:41:14.160 --> 00:41:15.660
And it's all about
training and awareness.

00:41:15.660 --> 00:41:17.250
It's like, you know,
when my kids go to

00:41:17.250 --> 00:41:20.610
school, they will be K
I don't want their name.

00:41:20.640 --> 00:41:21.930
You know, if they're
going to play sports,

00:41:22.230 --> 00:41:24.240
uh, I don't want their
name on a, on, on,

00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.460
on the sports roster
because all those

00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:27.660
rosters get put online.

00:41:27.930 --> 00:41:28.110
Right.

00:41:28.110 --> 00:41:29.400
And I know exactly.

00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.290
And I grew up playing
junior hockey, university

00:41:31.290 --> 00:41:33.030
hockey, and I loved
it back in the day.

00:41:33.030 --> 00:41:33.540
It was great.

00:41:34.290 --> 00:41:36.120
But now you
search my name.

00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.030
You see where I lived at
this time, you know, uh,

00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:41.520
where I lived at that
time, all the information

00:41:41.520 --> 00:41:43.530
about you, my stats, how
much I weigh, you know,

00:41:43.530 --> 00:41:46.230
how tall I am, uh, what
my hometown was, because

00:41:46.230 --> 00:41:48.509
that's all information
that is put out there.

00:41:48.509 --> 00:41:50.940
So, I mean, there
has to be a balance,

00:41:51.660 --> 00:41:53.340
but I think at the
end of the day, we're

00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:53.990
always going to be on.

00:41:54.975 --> 00:41:57.404
You find that small
percentage that is not,

00:41:57.435 --> 00:41:58.935
and doesn't want to
be, and doesn't feel

00:41:58.935 --> 00:41:59.625
the need to promote.

00:42:00.015 --> 00:42:01.755
But if someone else
close to you, like when

00:42:01.755 --> 00:42:03.105
your kids grow up, are
they going to want to

00:42:03.105 --> 00:42:03.735
be on social media?

00:42:03.884 --> 00:42:04.365
Probably.

00:42:04.365 --> 00:42:05.955
If they're not,
they're going to be

00:42:05.955 --> 00:42:06.855
the only kids in class.

00:42:06.855 --> 00:42:08.235
And that's the biggest
thing we get from parents

00:42:08.235 --> 00:42:10.575
is my kids, the only
person in class who

00:42:10.575 --> 00:42:11.384
doesn't have a phone.

00:42:11.415 --> 00:42:11.805
Okay.

00:42:12.665 --> 00:42:13.275
It is.

00:42:13.605 --> 00:42:15.555
And, and you're
a bad parent.

00:42:15.555 --> 00:42:16.785
If you don't get
your kid a phone.

00:42:16.785 --> 00:42:18.255
Cause they're,
they're, they're not

00:42:18.315 --> 00:42:19.305
communicating nowadays.

00:42:19.305 --> 00:42:20.115
Exactly.

00:42:20.535 --> 00:42:22.725
But there's nothing
stopping that you

00:42:22.725 --> 00:42:25.695
can't consistently
remind your kids.

00:42:26.670 --> 00:42:29.940
About the vulnerabilities
of, of what they're

00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:31.410
posting and how
they're posting it.

00:42:31.410 --> 00:42:33.420
And we see kids all the
time posting from inside

00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:36.630
their bedroom, outside
their school, uh, you

00:42:36.630 --> 00:42:38.280
know, everything down
to their school uniform

00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:39.470
on just right away.

00:42:39.500 --> 00:42:41.730
I've seen Mo you know,
uh, the first day of

00:42:41.730 --> 00:42:44.670
school parents are proud
to send their kids to

00:42:44.670 --> 00:42:46.710
school and they hold
this little sign in

00:42:46.710 --> 00:42:49.080
front of their house
and say, you know, uh,

00:42:49.090 --> 00:42:51.180
first day of school,
and all of a sudden

00:42:51.180 --> 00:42:52.440
you're saying, what
school you go to, what

00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:53.910
your favorite teacher
is, you know, your

00:42:53.910 --> 00:42:55.440
house address probably
in the background.

00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.660
And there's gotta be
a fine balance, but I

00:42:57.660 --> 00:43:00.780
think it comes down to
just constant awareness

00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:02.700
that what's in the
background of photo.

00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.010
What can we not
put out there yet?

00:43:05.040 --> 00:43:06.720
Don't, we're not, we're
going to go on vacation.

00:43:06.750 --> 00:43:08.670
I'm not telling the world
I'm going on vacation.

00:43:08.730 --> 00:43:10.290
Many people will, right.

00:43:10.290 --> 00:43:11.640
Many people will
be going away.

00:43:11.640 --> 00:43:12.390
Oh, great.

00:43:12.390 --> 00:43:14.580
Enjoying a great
trip to, to Mexico.

00:43:14.790 --> 00:43:15.150
Great.

00:43:15.180 --> 00:43:18.210
Now I know your house is
available to go into, so

00:43:18.930 --> 00:43:20.670
there's, there's, you're
either full, inner, full

00:43:20.670 --> 00:43:21.360
up at the end of the day.

00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:22.800
And I, and I don't
really have an answer

00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.030
to that other than
just constantly.

00:43:24.595 --> 00:43:25.555
What about the
other side?

00:43:25.645 --> 00:43:29.035
What if you just inundate
the web with false?

00:43:29.845 --> 00:43:30.895
Yeah, it's funny.

00:43:30.985 --> 00:43:32.605
It's funny that you say
that because there's a

00:43:32.605 --> 00:43:34.825
lot of disinformation
misinformation.

00:43:35.075 --> 00:43:35.455
Why?

00:43:35.455 --> 00:43:36.025
Because.

00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.770
I've possibly
created accounts.

00:43:40.950 --> 00:43:41.279
Sure.

00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:45.000
What information that
is fully, you know, I

00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:46.950
am I'm this height and
I'm way this, what I

00:43:46.950 --> 00:43:48.990
really weigh this, or
my hometown's here, my

00:43:48.990 --> 00:43:50.279
age is this, so yeah.

00:43:50.370 --> 00:43:53.160
Uh, you can either just
fully inundate with

00:43:53.610 --> 00:43:56.400
misinformation about
yourself and I, I, at

00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:57.779
some point someone's
gonna be like, Hey, I

00:43:57.779 --> 00:44:00.660
don't really know that
detail about this person.

00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:01.350
I'm sure.

00:44:01.350 --> 00:44:02.610
There's ways
of finding it.

00:44:02.850 --> 00:44:04.710
I'm sure there's other
people's search engines

00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:06.270
that maybe, but yeah.

00:44:06.570 --> 00:44:08.190
Inundate and I, you
know, it's funny in our

00:44:08.190 --> 00:44:11.279
training, um, you know, I
was in Texas, uh, someone

00:44:11.279 --> 00:44:13.560
was like, I searched
my name through this

00:44:13.560 --> 00:44:15.870
platform that you gave us
and everything's wrong.

00:44:15.870 --> 00:44:17.640
And I was like, that's
not a bad thing.

00:44:19.200 --> 00:44:20.490
Do you want, do you
want this to be accurate

00:44:20.490 --> 00:44:21.570
about yourself so
everyone could see

00:44:21.570 --> 00:44:22.650
they're like, oh yeah.

00:44:22.950 --> 00:44:24.990
And so, yeah, that's
definitely inundate

00:44:24.990 --> 00:44:25.710
inundate, right?

00:44:25.740 --> 00:44:27.360
If it's already out
there because the

00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:28.140
internet may forget.

00:44:28.950 --> 00:44:30.180
It never forgets, right?

00:44:30.390 --> 00:44:33.120
There are third party
websites, like, uh,

00:44:33.390 --> 00:44:37.200
the, the Wayback
machine archive dot I

00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:40.380
S it used to be called
Google cache data.

00:44:40.740 --> 00:44:44.520
Um, uh, a search engine
based out of Russia

00:44:44.520 --> 00:44:45.810
called Yan decks.

00:44:45.930 --> 00:44:46.500
I've heard of that one.

00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:46.799
Yeah.

00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:49.470
There's ways of
implementing your

00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:51.960
information, even though
you may have deleted it

00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.080
off your accounts and
figuring out what they

00:44:55.080 --> 00:44:57.360
have archive because
they go and screenshot

00:44:57.390 --> 00:45:00.420
everything that we do
the way back machine.

00:45:00.690 --> 00:45:00.930
Right.

00:45:00.930 --> 00:45:03.210
You're your use that one
so many times, right?

00:45:03.210 --> 00:45:05.250
And, and your website
is archived forever.

00:45:06.390 --> 00:45:07.620
So good or for bad.

00:45:07.680 --> 00:45:09.899
I mean, you can, you can,
I'll use it for good.

00:45:09.899 --> 00:45:12.299
I can go back and
show how things were.

00:45:12.299 --> 00:45:14.819
Let's say 10 years ago
where we've grown or

00:45:14.819 --> 00:45:16.560
somebody can say you
used to advertise this.

00:45:16.560 --> 00:45:18.060
I'm like, did I,
I can go on, on,

00:45:19.230 --> 00:45:19.439
yeah.

00:45:19.439 --> 00:45:21.120
So, so yeah, at the
internet may forgive,

00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:21.779
but it never forgets.

00:45:21.779 --> 00:45:23.339
So if you have
information out there

00:45:23.339 --> 00:45:25.169
and you're like, I
need to get rid of this

00:45:25.169 --> 00:45:26.490
all I'm like, okay.

00:45:26.490 --> 00:45:27.839
So let's try to
think of other ways.

00:45:27.870 --> 00:45:29.939
If the internet is full
of your information,

00:45:30.210 --> 00:45:32.220
it's going to be decently
easy to get it back.

00:45:32.339 --> 00:45:33.540
So you make a
great point.

00:45:33.899 --> 00:45:36.839
Let's just inundate
with everything we can.

00:45:36.839 --> 00:45:37.169
So,

00:45:38.100 --> 00:45:40.680
so let's say a school
violence school

00:45:40.680 --> 00:45:44.129
shooting something's
happening or how.

00:45:45.524 --> 00:45:47.654
How would your
response to that be?

00:45:47.685 --> 00:45:49.455
Cause I think I kinda
brought this up before

00:45:49.455 --> 00:45:51.194
and I was talking with
Sonny from six sites

00:45:51.495 --> 00:45:52.424
and I kind of delved in.

00:45:52.424 --> 00:45:54.375
I said, I don't really
know, but I think it's

00:45:54.375 --> 00:45:55.845
got something about
setting up geo-fences

00:45:56.654 --> 00:45:57.075
yeah.

00:45:57.105 --> 00:45:59.265
So, you know, everyone
was big in the school

00:45:59.265 --> 00:46:01.785
safety realm of social
media monitoring.

00:46:02.234 --> 00:46:02.535
Okay.

00:46:02.564 --> 00:46:04.634
So you set up an
electronic fence around

00:46:04.634 --> 00:46:07.245
a school site and you
keyword monitor on

00:46:07.305 --> 00:46:09.254
a majority of social
media applications.

00:46:09.254 --> 00:46:11.205
When someone mentions
bomb drugs, gone

00:46:11.205 --> 00:46:14.325
fight, kill due to
restricted access now

00:46:14.564 --> 00:46:16.875
to the APIs of Facebook
and Instagram and

00:46:16.875 --> 00:46:18.314
Snapchat and Tik talk.

00:46:18.855 --> 00:46:21.855
You're not gathering the
information on what once

00:46:21.855 --> 00:46:22.694
was available to you.

00:46:22.725 --> 00:46:23.024
Okay.

00:46:23.595 --> 00:46:25.964
So we teach it to it
from, from our, we

00:46:25.964 --> 00:46:30.495
teach from a human
standpoint of a human

00:46:30.495 --> 00:46:32.685
gathering information
rather than a software

00:46:32.834 --> 00:46:35.174
machine generated
report this fence.

00:46:35.174 --> 00:46:37.395
So each application is
going to be different.

00:46:37.725 --> 00:46:37.995
So.

00:46:38.925 --> 00:46:42.285
When a school shooting
happens, God forbid

00:46:42.735 --> 00:46:45.134
we have one of our
analysts dedicated to,

00:46:45.345 --> 00:46:48.495
and this is mainly the
one application that you

00:46:48.495 --> 00:46:49.545
can do it for Twitter.

00:46:49.904 --> 00:46:52.215
Uh, today I was training
folks from around north

00:46:52.215 --> 00:46:55.515
America, uh, on how to
set up an electronic

00:46:55.515 --> 00:46:57.375
fence on Twitter,
around your school

00:46:57.495 --> 00:46:58.755
and keyword monitor.

00:46:58.904 --> 00:47:01.154
Anytime someone mentions
bomb, drugs, gunfight

00:47:01.154 --> 00:47:03.675
kill, that can happen
on Twitter, but for

00:47:03.675 --> 00:47:06.134
Snapchat, which is
usually a one-to-one

00:47:06.134 --> 00:47:07.935
communication, it's
a little bit harder,

00:47:08.475 --> 00:47:12.555
but there's a website
called map.snapchat.com.

00:47:13.245 --> 00:47:15.345
You don't have to be
logged into you can go

00:47:15.345 --> 00:47:17.835
online and there's hot
spots in certain areas.

00:47:17.835 --> 00:47:20.355
So when the flooding was
happening here in BC, I

00:47:20.355 --> 00:47:22.154
went on map.snapchat.com.

00:47:22.575 --> 00:47:23.895
There's going to be
a hotspot over, you

00:47:23.895 --> 00:47:25.695
know, the Abbotsford
area or certain areas.

00:47:25.995 --> 00:47:30.615
And you get a lens of,
of people on the street,

00:47:30.705 --> 00:47:31.785
uploading Snapchats.

00:47:33.255 --> 00:47:36.165
And now you get to
see those Snapchats

00:47:36.255 --> 00:47:37.275
that someone else
has put out there.

00:47:37.585 --> 00:47:39.855
You're not going to see
everything because you

00:47:39.855 --> 00:47:42.225
have two options when
you're Snapchatting to

00:47:42.225 --> 00:47:44.445
send it to your friend
individually, or upload

00:47:44.445 --> 00:47:47.415
it to your kind of,
uh, my story or have

00:47:47.415 --> 00:47:49.305
it kind of sent out
there in the world.

00:47:49.305 --> 00:47:51.255
So you're not going
to see everything, but

00:47:51.255 --> 00:47:54.105
you're still finding
data in every aftermath

00:47:54.105 --> 00:47:54.975
of a school shooting.

00:47:55.335 --> 00:47:57.225
The hotspot over
that school is red.

00:47:57.495 --> 00:48:00.285
It is on fire with
everyone in an area on

00:48:00.285 --> 00:48:01.425
their phones, right.

00:48:01.575 --> 00:48:03.285
Go to a concert, go
to event everyone's

00:48:03.285 --> 00:48:03.825
on their phones.

00:48:04.245 --> 00:48:05.865
Everyone's posting,
you're going to get

00:48:05.865 --> 00:48:06.705
some information.

00:48:07.365 --> 00:48:09.645
And so you're going to
go on map.snapchat.com

00:48:09.975 --> 00:48:12.195
and you're going to see
a lens of everything

00:48:12.195 --> 00:48:12.615
that's happening.

00:48:12.885 --> 00:48:15.615
The, the, and I was
there about four days

00:48:15.615 --> 00:48:16.335
before the Vegas.

00:48:17.444 --> 00:48:17.774
All right.

00:48:18.705 --> 00:48:21.134
I was, I was staying at
the Mandalay bay four

00:48:21.134 --> 00:48:22.725
days before when I leave.

00:48:22.995 --> 00:48:25.274
Of course, that's
when the terrible

00:48:25.274 --> 00:48:27.105
act of violence
happened in Vegas.

00:48:27.285 --> 00:48:27.464
Right.

00:48:27.495 --> 00:48:30.045
But when I was going
on map.snapchat.com to

00:48:30.045 --> 00:48:32.355
figure out what people
are posting, what they

00:48:32.355 --> 00:48:35.355
were actually doing was
they were, they were

00:48:35.355 --> 00:48:37.694
downloading, every video
was posted and they're

00:48:37.694 --> 00:48:40.575
actually building a
timeframe based on when

00:48:40.575 --> 00:48:44.055
things were posted to
maybe when shots were

00:48:44.055 --> 00:48:46.904
fired or, or, but they're
all gathering it from,

00:48:46.935 --> 00:48:50.865
from, from social media
who knew that we could

00:48:50.865 --> 00:48:53.805
go and find someone's
posts to then build a

00:48:53.805 --> 00:48:55.665
timeframe of the incident
that just happened.

00:48:56.055 --> 00:48:59.955
And, and, and on,
on Instagram, right?

00:48:59.984 --> 00:49:02.774
We can, there's,
there's just so many

00:49:02.774 --> 00:49:04.484
things that you can do
with finding people.

00:49:04.815 --> 00:49:07.125
Uh, every image that
I come across, right?

00:49:07.154 --> 00:49:09.555
A lot of times kids were
having threats to schools

00:49:09.555 --> 00:49:11.984
daily, unfortunately,
across North Korea.

00:49:13.065 --> 00:49:16.005
When a student makes a
threat and post a photo

00:49:16.005 --> 00:49:17.955
of a gun, all you see in
their social media posts

00:49:17.955 --> 00:49:19.425
is a gun, and they're
like, don't come to

00:49:19.425 --> 00:49:20.535
school tomorrow, right?

00:49:20.565 --> 00:49:22.335
It's a pretty generic
threat, especially

00:49:22.335 --> 00:49:23.415
the language analysis.

00:49:23.415 --> 00:49:26.175
Like there's no
specificity in the

00:49:26.175 --> 00:49:28.695
language, but that photo
of the gun is concerning.

00:49:29.235 --> 00:49:31.455
But if you conduct a
reverse image search,

00:49:31.695 --> 00:49:34.515
which means you
take that photo 10.

00:49:34.655 --> 00:49:35.115
Exactly.

00:49:35.175 --> 00:49:37.005
And that's a website we
use or Google images.

00:49:37.005 --> 00:49:39.165
If you upload a Google
and Google images or

00:49:39.165 --> 00:49:42.705
into bing.com, uh, the
image section or even

00:49:42.705 --> 00:49:44.775
Yandex it'll scan.

00:49:44.775 --> 00:49:46.515
And I, and I want you to
start to think of Google,

00:49:46.515 --> 00:49:47.985
Bing, Yandex tonight.

00:49:48.015 --> 00:49:49.515
They're all
different businesses.

00:49:50.045 --> 00:49:51.915
They have a different way
of, of indexing their,

00:49:52.075 --> 00:49:53.115
their, their images.

00:49:53.775 --> 00:49:56.355
If you upload that gun
photo to Google being

00:49:56.355 --> 00:50:00.945
Yandex, uh, whatever I,
and it comes back with.

00:50:01.725 --> 00:50:01.964
Yeah.

00:50:01.964 --> 00:50:03.705
We also found this
image being hosted

00:50:03.794 --> 00:50:05.415
multiple other places
on the internet.

00:50:05.415 --> 00:50:09.075
Well, a possibly for
that threat, it just went

00:50:09.075 --> 00:50:10.875
down and we're having
school districts shut

00:50:10.875 --> 00:50:12.495
down, schools alone.

00:50:12.524 --> 00:50:13.515
Just on that threat.

00:50:13.665 --> 00:50:14.714
Don't come to
school at Memorial.

00:50:14.714 --> 00:50:15.674
Here's a photo of a gun.

00:50:16.125 --> 00:50:18.464
That's, there's a lot
more factors that need to

00:50:18.464 --> 00:50:21.075
be taken in consideration
if there was specificity

00:50:21.075 --> 00:50:21.734
in that language.

00:50:21.734 --> 00:50:23.564
And there was that
image came back

00:50:23.564 --> 00:50:24.584
like zero results.

00:50:24.584 --> 00:50:26.654
I'm like, okay,
we either, we have

00:50:26.654 --> 00:50:27.314
a concern here.

00:50:27.314 --> 00:50:27.584
Right?

00:50:28.245 --> 00:50:30.854
And even something
as simple as, as, uh,

00:50:31.064 --> 00:50:35.504
ensuring police know
that regardless of what

00:50:35.504 --> 00:50:36.524
you do on social media.

00:50:36.555 --> 00:50:39.254
So the big idea, you
know, from parents to, to

00:50:39.254 --> 00:50:42.674
educators, to schools is,
oh, I deleted that post.

00:50:43.785 --> 00:50:46.634
You did on your profile,
but you don't think

00:50:46.634 --> 00:50:49.935
Facebook or Instagram
or Tik TOK stores, still

00:50:49.935 --> 00:50:52.604
everything that you've
done, every private

00:50:52.604 --> 00:50:54.375
message you've ever
sent on social media,

00:50:54.464 --> 00:50:55.274
regardless of you delete.

00:50:56.609 --> 00:50:58.109
Law enforcement
can get back.

00:50:58.229 --> 00:50:58.560
Right?

00:50:58.649 --> 00:50:58.979
Right.

00:50:59.129 --> 00:51:02.069
You, as a user of
Facebook can actually,

00:51:02.250 --> 00:51:04.830
whether you use Facebook
or Instagram or any

00:51:04.830 --> 00:51:08.520
platform, you can
actually go into Facebook

00:51:09.029 --> 00:51:12.270
through your settings,
request everything that

00:51:12.270 --> 00:51:13.859
Facebook has on you.

00:51:14.189 --> 00:51:14.549
Right.

00:51:14.580 --> 00:51:16.709
It's going to give you
an and I was blown away

00:51:16.709 --> 00:51:17.609
when I first did this.

00:51:18.089 --> 00:51:20.700
Um, I requested
information on

00:51:20.700 --> 00:51:21.990
Facebook, on what
they had about me.

00:51:21.990 --> 00:51:25.109
And I've used Facebook
for over 10 years.

00:51:25.319 --> 00:51:27.180
My Facebook account
now is dead empty.

00:51:27.180 --> 00:51:28.080
I'm like, I don't
want anything.

00:51:28.080 --> 00:51:28.740
I don't use it.

00:51:28.740 --> 00:51:30.870
It's, it's mainly to
keep track of friends

00:51:30.870 --> 00:51:31.470
around the world.

00:51:32.160 --> 00:51:34.500
So I said, well, there's
nothing on my profile.

00:51:34.500 --> 00:51:35.850
They, they probably
don't have anything.

00:51:35.850 --> 00:51:37.080
And boy was I wrong.

00:51:37.109 --> 00:51:38.819
They had every photo
I've ever liked.

00:51:38.819 --> 00:51:40.879
Every, every private
message, every photo

00:51:40.950 --> 00:51:42.689
uploaded, every video
uploaded, every place

00:51:42.689 --> 00:51:45.359
I checked in, they even
had all of my private

00:51:45.359 --> 00:51:47.879
messages and every
contact in my phone.

00:51:49.290 --> 00:51:51.569
Because when you download
an application at

00:51:51.569 --> 00:51:53.400
one time, you may have
given it permission

00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.290
or at one time it
didn't need permission.

00:51:55.290 --> 00:51:55.470
Did

00:51:55.470 --> 00:51:58.200
it exactly think about
the apps you downloaded?

00:51:58.200 --> 00:51:58.890
People were
just like, okay.

00:51:58.890 --> 00:51:59.060
Okay.

00:51:59.060 --> 00:51:59.340
Okay.

00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:00.750
I just want the
app, but right.

00:52:00.810 --> 00:52:03.330
Why is this app asking
for access to my

00:52:03.330 --> 00:52:07.830
contacts for convenience
to go through your

00:52:07.830 --> 00:52:10.529
phone, to figure out
who else has the app?

00:52:10.529 --> 00:52:12.840
So you can add them as
friends saying, oh yeah.

00:52:13.080 --> 00:52:15.210
Uh, you know, Nick
from your contact list

00:52:15.210 --> 00:52:16.319
also has Snapchat.

00:52:16.350 --> 00:52:17.759
What'd you like to
add them as a friend?

00:52:18.029 --> 00:52:19.400
It's cause we're in
the generation of,

00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.380
of, I don't want to
say being lazy, but

00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:24.270
jeez convenience.

00:52:24.299 --> 00:52:24.870
Exactly.

00:52:24.900 --> 00:52:25.040
Right.

00:52:25.040 --> 00:52:27.240
It's for convenience
rather than for security,

00:52:27.690 --> 00:52:29.220
but the minute you allow
an app access to your

00:52:29.220 --> 00:52:30.090
contacts, guess what?

00:52:30.090 --> 00:52:30.930
They have their context.

00:52:31.170 --> 00:52:33.450
So some of the
three-letter agencies

00:52:33.450 --> 00:52:35.250
that I'm going down
and I'm keynote

00:52:35.250 --> 00:52:35.880
presenting at.

00:52:36.240 --> 00:52:38.865
And I tell them that
they're like, Do you

00:52:38.865 --> 00:52:41.655
know how many people in
our phone are some quite

00:52:41.655 --> 00:52:43.785
high up individuals in
the intelligence world.

00:52:44.115 --> 00:52:46.275
And I'm like, yeah, I

00:52:46.275 --> 00:52:48.855
do get access

00:52:48.855 --> 00:52:49.035
to that.

00:52:49.065 --> 00:52:49.575
Exactly.

00:52:49.575 --> 00:52:51.945
So there's, there's
vulnerabilities there.

00:52:51.945 --> 00:52:54.315
So just things to think
about at the, of the day

00:52:54.315 --> 00:52:56.265
it's awareness, there's
actually a great, uh,

00:52:56.685 --> 00:52:58.635
there's a great few
documentaries online.

00:52:58.635 --> 00:53:00.825
I listened to a
podcast called, called

00:53:00.825 --> 00:53:03.825
reply all it's a tech
based focus podcast.

00:53:04.185 --> 00:53:05.475
Uh, there's a
great Netflix

00:53:05.475 --> 00:53:07.425
documentary called
the social dilemma.

00:53:07.845 --> 00:53:10.515
If you've ever seen
it on Netflix, it

00:53:10.515 --> 00:53:12.315
just talks about how
these applications

00:53:12.315 --> 00:53:14.325
are really businesses,
manipulating everything

00:53:14.325 --> 00:53:15.885
we do daily huge, right.

00:53:15.885 --> 00:53:17.445
And their algorithms
and the way that

00:53:17.445 --> 00:53:18.105
they're doing things.

00:53:18.105 --> 00:53:18.855
So we're getting

00:53:18.855 --> 00:53:19.635
that dopamine.

00:53:19.725 --> 00:53:20.055
Exactly.

00:53:20.819 --> 00:53:22.049
Whatever we can do
to trigger that and

00:53:22.049 --> 00:53:22.770
keep people on it.

00:53:22.770 --> 00:53:23.310
Exactly.

00:53:23.310 --> 00:53:25.169
So, well, what about
that Netflix one with

00:53:25.169 --> 00:53:26.580
the, uh, the cat killer.

00:53:27.180 --> 00:53:27.379
Oh,

00:53:27.870 --> 00:53:28.919
don't F with cats.

00:53:29.310 --> 00:53:31.979
So that's actually
a funny that you

00:53:31.979 --> 00:53:32.490
bring that up.

00:53:32.549 --> 00:53:36.149
Um, our organization
actually just previous

00:53:36.149 --> 00:53:39.299
to my, myself coming on,
dealt with that because

00:53:39.299 --> 00:53:42.180
what they don't share
and I hope I don't get

00:53:42.180 --> 00:53:44.640
in trouble for saying
this, what they share,

00:53:44.669 --> 00:53:46.799
what they don't share
is, do you remember

00:53:46.799 --> 00:53:48.959
where they sent, uh,
the body parts to,

00:53:50.859 --> 00:53:51.149
yeah.

00:53:51.160 --> 00:53:52.799
One was a school
year in Vancouver.

00:53:52.859 --> 00:53:54.540
Did they say that
in the, in a duck?

00:53:54.569 --> 00:53:54.870
Okay.

00:53:55.080 --> 00:53:56.310
I didn't know if they
said that, but yeah,

00:53:56.520 --> 00:53:58.379
that's why we were
involved and they send

00:53:58.379 --> 00:53:59.310
it to a school here.

00:53:59.430 --> 00:54:01.770
They sent it to the
politicians, but, but

00:54:01.830 --> 00:54:03.720
everything that, those
that, that I can't

00:54:03.720 --> 00:54:05.520
remember her name and
the other gentleman, same

00:54:05.520 --> 00:54:07.529
where there, you know,
what's the street pole

00:54:07.529 --> 00:54:09.209
look like in Montreal
and they're going on

00:54:09.209 --> 00:54:11.220
Google maps and here's
a gas station and the

00:54:11.220 --> 00:54:12.089
view up like that.

00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:13.980
Open source intelligence.

00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:15.150
That's what I'm
doing daily.

00:54:15.450 --> 00:54:17.430
That is actually
probably one of the

00:54:17.430 --> 00:54:19.650
best documentaries that
you can watch to really

00:54:19.650 --> 00:54:23.250
understand how, you
know, things that you

00:54:23.250 --> 00:54:25.830
have in front of you
can lead to finding you

00:54:25.830 --> 00:54:27.150
like the wall sockets.

00:54:27.210 --> 00:54:29.220
Uh, I think on one photo
where like that's not

00:54:29.220 --> 00:54:31.140
north American, that's
European and right.

00:54:31.410 --> 00:54:32.520
And things like that.

00:54:32.850 --> 00:54:34.920
That's everything
that we're doing and

00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.430
that's open source
intelligence to, to,

00:54:37.259 --> 00:54:39.150
so there's going to be
some computer algorithms

00:54:39.150 --> 00:54:39.990
you can run through.

00:54:39.990 --> 00:54:42.480
That'll be just
AI learning.

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.200
You can say I'm looking
for, I mean like apple

00:54:46.200 --> 00:54:47.250
has it with your photos.

00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.590
You can say a
boat, you can type

00:54:49.590 --> 00:54:50.090
into your search.

00:54:50.100 --> 00:54:51.120
It'll show you all
the things that was

00:54:51.120 --> 00:54:51.630
a boat in there.

00:54:51.630 --> 00:54:53.009
It's like, wow,
that's pretty good.

00:54:53.160 --> 00:54:55.290
Do they have the same
sort of thing for,

00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:57.750
uh, more of an open
source or for search

00:54:57.750 --> 00:54:58.230
of these things?

00:54:58.230 --> 00:54:58.710
Or there

00:54:58.710 --> 00:55:01.230
was a website that I
think just became paid.

00:55:01.230 --> 00:55:02.640
I only think it's
actually a few dollars.

00:55:02.640 --> 00:55:04.860
I think it's called
PIM eyes pimp.

00:55:05.670 --> 00:55:09.120
PIM eyes and you can run
a picture of your face

00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:11.370
and it actually scans
the whole internet.

00:55:11.700 --> 00:55:13.710
And I did this on myself
and I was like, okay.

00:55:13.710 --> 00:55:16.100
You know, I always test
things on myself or, or

00:55:16.110 --> 00:55:17.010
work colleague first.

00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.500
And I was like,
oh my goodness.

00:55:19.530 --> 00:55:21.030
I did not know
that photo.

00:55:21.060 --> 00:55:23.070
It was like, you know,
when I was like super

00:55:23.070 --> 00:55:25.170
young, you know, they,
they have photographers

00:55:25.170 --> 00:55:27.480
at the club and,
and I'm like 21.

00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:29.340
And they're like, Hey,
smile for the camera.

00:55:29.340 --> 00:55:31.050
It's going to be
put on our, our

00:55:31.050 --> 00:55:32.100
promotion website.

00:55:32.100 --> 00:55:33.730
And I'm like not thinking
about it at the time.

00:55:33.730 --> 00:55:36.210
And, and I'm like,
they found that photo

00:55:36.210 --> 00:55:42.360
from like 14 years ago,
know that photo, right?

00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.370
There's, there's many
photos, there's many

00:55:44.370 --> 00:55:47.310
photos that are out
there and, and, um,

00:55:47.970 --> 00:55:51.900
Yandex, a Russian
based search engine has

00:55:53.040 --> 00:55:54.030
great facial recognize.

00:55:56.535 --> 00:55:59.175
Facial conditions
is insane that we

00:55:59.175 --> 00:56:00.285
have out right now.

00:56:00.495 --> 00:56:03.045
That's publicly
available that we have.

00:56:03.705 --> 00:56:07.665
I remember watching a,
um, uh, I think it was

00:56:07.665 --> 00:56:09.075
a documentary or it
may, could have been

00:56:09.085 --> 00:56:11.745
a, uh, just a quick,
uh, news clip on it.

00:56:12.375 --> 00:56:15.255
I think it was over
in China and they

00:56:15.255 --> 00:56:16.815
had a guy and he
said, okay, cool run.

00:56:16.965 --> 00:56:18.375
You probably know this
one better than I do.

00:56:18.705 --> 00:56:19.995
Are you talking about
the social score that

00:56:19.995 --> 00:56:20.715
they have in China?

00:56:20.815 --> 00:56:21.315
Are you talking?

00:56:21.495 --> 00:56:21.885
Oh

00:56:21.975 --> 00:56:22.995
no, no, no.

00:56:23.985 --> 00:56:25.785
They said, okay, we're
going to try this.

00:56:26.055 --> 00:56:29.055
We have however millions
of people over there

00:56:29.055 --> 00:56:31.695
and we'll see how long
it takes to find them.

00:56:31.905 --> 00:56:33.105
And we're going to
give them a headstart,

00:56:33.225 --> 00:56:34.275
go run mind you.

00:56:34.275 --> 00:56:35.895
They also have cameras
everywhere, too.

00:56:35.955 --> 00:56:36.285
Right.

00:56:36.645 --> 00:56:38.325
And through facial
recognition and this

00:56:38.325 --> 00:56:39.525
guy, he was gone.

00:56:39.525 --> 00:56:41.955
They give a big
head, start, click,

00:56:41.955 --> 00:56:43.605
go thing turns on.

00:56:43.695 --> 00:56:44.925
And it didn't take
any time at all

00:56:45.015 --> 00:56:45.495
when they found the

00:56:45.495 --> 00:56:45.735
guy.

00:56:46.155 --> 00:56:47.685
And that's, that's the.

00:56:48.525 --> 00:56:52.455
Oh, it's I look it
on, on both sides.

00:56:52.455 --> 00:56:54.675
It's like, Hey, at
what point is there

00:56:54.675 --> 00:56:57.015
the privacy to, to
the monitoring of

00:56:57.015 --> 00:56:58.875
citizens, to the big
brother and everything

00:56:58.875 --> 00:56:59.595
is talking about.

00:56:59.595 --> 00:57:03.105
And I mean, I truly
believe that if we

00:57:03.105 --> 00:57:07.155
were just to have no
agencies monitoring

00:57:07.155 --> 00:57:08.475
what we're doing
online, there's going

00:57:08.475 --> 00:57:09.375
to be issues happening.

00:57:09.375 --> 00:57:11.805
The reason why there's
certain agencies, you

00:57:11.805 --> 00:57:14.445
know, possibly, as I say,
big brother is because,

00:57:14.445 --> 00:57:18.885
well, it's really their
job to keep us safe, but

00:57:19.275 --> 00:57:20.505
we've elected people in.

00:57:20.505 --> 00:57:22.725
Who've hired people
to keep us safe and

00:57:22.995 --> 00:57:24.375
yeah, and it's all
information we're

00:57:24.375 --> 00:57:24.825
putting out there.

00:57:24.825 --> 00:57:26.415
And the facial
recognition is

00:57:26.685 --> 00:57:27.905
absolutely insane.

00:57:27.915 --> 00:57:28.875
And, and, you know,
I was just talking

00:57:28.875 --> 00:57:33.105
about this, the social
score in China, uh, you

00:57:33.105 --> 00:57:35.445
as a citizen spit on
the ground as you're

00:57:35.445 --> 00:57:40.695
walking jaywalk, uh,
you, um, do things

00:57:40.695 --> 00:57:43.095
that maybe don't make
you the best citizen.

00:57:43.305 --> 00:57:43.605
This is.

00:57:44.655 --> 00:57:46.155
This is actually
black mirror.

00:57:46.215 --> 00:57:48.255
This is a black mirror
episode, but it's

00:57:48.255 --> 00:57:49.215
happening in real life.

00:57:50.295 --> 00:57:53.115
You get a social score,
your score goes below

00:57:53.145 --> 00:57:54.135
a certain amount.

00:57:54.195 --> 00:57:57.345
You are possibly banned
from flying or buying

00:57:57.345 --> 00:57:58.575
this or buying that.

00:57:58.585 --> 00:58:00.405
And it's all based
on trying to keep it

00:58:00.405 --> 00:58:03.855
citizens in line in line.

00:58:03.915 --> 00:58:04.125
Right.

00:58:04.135 --> 00:58:05.685
And that is a
black mirror

00:58:05.685 --> 00:58:07.185
episode that
just gets scary.

00:58:07.275 --> 00:58:09.345
I mean, all of it, all
of it, the farther we

00:58:09.345 --> 00:58:10.605
advanced it to this gets.

00:58:12.270 --> 00:58:13.500
And get scariest
like Ilan.

00:58:13.830 --> 00:58:15.660
He talks about
artificial intelligence.

00:58:15.660 --> 00:58:16.710
He says like, that's
one of the most

00:58:16.710 --> 00:58:17.760
scary things around.

00:58:17.790 --> 00:58:21.090
They should be a, a,
an oversight body to

00:58:21.090 --> 00:58:21.990
watch what we're doing

00:58:22.560 --> 00:58:23.250
there was.

00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.290
And I just, I read this
in the news and I, in

00:58:25.290 --> 00:58:27.210
no way have had time
to follow up with this.

00:58:27.270 --> 00:58:29.620
Um, but they were saying
that there was an, uh,

00:58:29.620 --> 00:58:32.340
a bot that they created
artificial intelligence

00:58:32.340 --> 00:58:33.000
and it actually.

00:58:34.484 --> 00:58:36.825
I don't know what it
did is it spent some

00:58:36.825 --> 00:58:40.125
time online or it, it,
it fed it some, you

00:58:40.125 --> 00:58:41.415
know, forums to look at.

00:58:41.745 --> 00:58:43.694
And they said that
the bot actually came

00:58:43.694 --> 00:58:47.145
out to be a little bit
racist and homophobic.

00:58:47.234 --> 00:58:51.225
I remember, you know,
the AI is just there's.

00:58:51.254 --> 00:58:52.694
We always hear those
horror stories and

00:58:52.694 --> 00:58:54.105
what's that one with
will Smith, right?

00:58:54.105 --> 00:58:56.295
Where I think that's
camera, what it's called.

00:58:56.295 --> 00:58:57.734
People are probably
screaming into

00:58:57.734 --> 00:58:58.305
the mic right now.

00:58:58.605 --> 00:59:00.225
Maybe it's that
movie, but yeah,

00:59:00.265 --> 00:59:02.205
it's, it's the world.

00:59:02.205 --> 00:59:03.975
And, and, you know,
I travel a lot.

00:59:03.975 --> 00:59:06.315
I'm I'm I was just
spent a week on the road

00:59:06.315 --> 00:59:08.145
and, and some days I'm
gone for three weeks,

00:59:08.145 --> 00:59:09.645
some days I'm gone for
a month, some days I

00:59:09.645 --> 00:59:11.234
literally just go to
the states for, for a

00:59:11.234 --> 00:59:12.134
day and a half, right.

00:59:12.765 --> 00:59:13.875
Over a hundred
flights a year.

00:59:14.025 --> 00:59:15.464
And a lot of the
time I'm like, Hey,

00:59:15.464 --> 00:59:16.424
I have to pay bills.

00:59:16.424 --> 00:59:18.975
I have to, I have to,
you know, log into

00:59:18.975 --> 00:59:20.325
different accounts
when I'm on the road.

00:59:20.325 --> 00:59:23.444
I have to, uh, people
are probably going

00:59:23.444 --> 00:59:23.805
through the airport.

00:59:24.525 --> 00:59:26.595
Rushing logging into
their banking on the

00:59:26.595 --> 00:59:30.435
open wifi in the, in the,
in the airport, sending

00:59:30.435 --> 00:59:32.235
some money to an account,
paying their bills, not

00:59:32.235 --> 00:59:32.985
even thinking about it.

00:59:33.345 --> 00:59:35.444
Somebody could be going
to a Starbucks and,

00:59:35.505 --> 00:59:37.245
and sitting down at the
Starbucks, connecting

00:59:37.245 --> 00:59:39.735
to wifi and logging
into passwords, checking

00:59:39.735 --> 00:59:40.515
their social media.

00:59:41.145 --> 00:59:45.944
But what I could do if
I was nefarious minded,

00:59:46.015 --> 00:59:48.315
nefarious minded is
by up, what's called a

00:59:48.325 --> 00:59:49.995
wifi pineapple, right?

00:59:50.085 --> 00:59:52.725
I could be sitting in my
truck, literally in the

00:59:52.725 --> 00:59:55.755
parking lot of Starbucks,
I could be plugging it

00:59:55.755 --> 00:59:56.475
in and doing my thing.

00:59:56.475 --> 00:59:57.615
I can have my
computer going.

00:59:58.875 --> 01:00:02.265
I can name my wifi,
pineapple Starbucks.

01:00:02.745 --> 01:00:04.755
You're going to see
possibly two Starbucks

01:00:04.785 --> 01:00:06.585
pops up, but the amount
of people that go through

01:00:06.585 --> 01:00:07.904
there, they might just
click the first one.

01:00:07.904 --> 01:00:08.595
And it could be mine.

01:00:09.495 --> 01:00:11.265
You're connected to
the internet, but it's

01:00:11.265 --> 01:00:13.335
connected to me giving
you internet, right.

01:00:13.515 --> 01:00:15.464
Or there's multiple ways
of doing this, but it's

01:00:15.464 --> 01:00:16.095
essentially kind of.

01:00:17.445 --> 01:00:18.645
Key logging, right.

01:00:18.735 --> 01:00:20.445
What you're doing,
what passwords

01:00:20.445 --> 01:00:20.985
you're putting in.

01:00:21.375 --> 01:00:22.965
You may be thinking
you're just checking

01:00:22.965 --> 01:00:24.855
Facebook, but really
I'm actually seeing

01:00:24.855 --> 01:00:25.665
what you're doing
in the backend.

01:00:25.665 --> 01:00:27.285
So, you know, I
always suggest, you

01:00:27.285 --> 01:00:29.955
know, you're using
a VPN or definitely,

01:00:29.985 --> 01:00:32.175
definitely do not.

01:00:32.595 --> 01:00:35.025
Like when I go to my
hotel and I live in a

01:00:35.025 --> 01:00:37.245
hotel for like a week, I
gotta go, I gotta do my

01:00:37.245 --> 01:00:38.295
banking on my computer.

01:00:38.325 --> 01:00:40.245
I hotspot off my
phone or I'll just

01:00:40.245 --> 01:00:41.205
do it off my phone.

01:00:41.535 --> 01:00:42.195
I'm not connected.

01:00:43.005 --> 01:00:43.575
Exactly.

01:00:43.605 --> 01:00:43.875
Right.

01:00:43.875 --> 01:00:46.545
So little things
like that, right.

01:00:46.545 --> 01:00:47.895
Where we need
to be aware of.

01:00:48.075 --> 01:00:51.225
Do we know if
so key logging?

01:00:51.225 --> 01:00:52.905
Of course, if I have
a direct key logger,

01:00:52.905 --> 01:00:54.405
I remember years ago I
had, when he could plug

01:00:54.405 --> 01:00:56.775
in the computer, plug it
into the, in line with

01:00:56.775 --> 01:01:00.105
your, your, uh, keyboard
there and every keystroke

01:01:00.105 --> 01:01:00.615
would be locked.

01:01:01.485 --> 01:01:05.205
And then you can key log
through programs and like

01:01:05.745 --> 01:01:08.055
monitoring or specter
software type type things

01:01:08.055 --> 01:01:09.285
that you can install.

01:01:09.285 --> 01:01:09.435
But yeah.

01:01:10.200 --> 01:01:12.900
If you auto-populate
a password, something

01:01:12.900 --> 01:01:14.759
that's stored from
your key chain.

01:01:16.109 --> 01:01:16.890
That's a good question.

01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:18.480
I wonder that's
a good question.

01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.330
And I, that is actually
a really good question.

01:01:21.359 --> 01:01:21.900
I,

01:01:23.730 --> 01:01:26.160
because if they're
using a has to, um,

01:01:26.330 --> 01:01:28.020
I guess it depends
on how it transmits

01:01:28.330 --> 01:01:29.250
and how it goes.

01:01:29.970 --> 01:01:32.279
I, I want to say
no because you're

01:01:32.279 --> 01:01:33.359
not actually
putting a password.

01:01:33.390 --> 01:01:36.120
It's just auto-populating
but I, I couldn't, I

01:01:36.120 --> 01:01:38.430
couldn't confirm or deny
that I never, and by

01:01:38.430 --> 01:01:40.830
the way, I never tell
anyone to, you know,

01:01:40.830 --> 01:01:42.690
save your passwords
on your devices.

01:01:42.690 --> 01:01:44.880
Like if I have your
computer right now

01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.259
and you're like, huh,
go to the washroom.

01:01:46.290 --> 01:01:48.180
Uh, you know, if
you're bored, just

01:01:48.180 --> 01:01:48.900
go on my computer.

01:01:48.900 --> 01:01:50.460
I can go to the settings
on your internet

01:01:51.240 --> 01:01:51.819
and figure it out.

01:01:52.950 --> 01:01:56.850
Accounts you have saved
your passwords for, and

01:01:56.850 --> 01:01:59.730
then get into actually
open up your passwords

01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:00.630
through your browser.

01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.820
So I had actually
a work colleague.

01:02:03.090 --> 01:02:04.770
Uh, he used my, I was
away for like a week.

01:02:04.770 --> 01:02:06.510
He came up from
the states, uh,

01:02:06.540 --> 01:02:07.560
sat at my computer.

01:02:07.770 --> 01:02:09.510
He logs out of my
email logs into his.

01:02:10.235 --> 01:02:10.535
Okay.

01:02:10.745 --> 01:02:11.345
Right.

01:02:11.404 --> 01:02:12.965
And then I was like,
I was like, there was

01:02:12.965 --> 01:02:14.525
someone else logged
in and I was like,

01:02:14.525 --> 01:02:16.415
so I go through my
settings on my computer.

01:02:16.685 --> 01:02:20.615
I figured out, uh, the
account he used and he

01:02:20.615 --> 01:02:22.855
actually had saved his
password because he was

01:02:22.855 --> 01:02:23.825
like inspector tools.

01:02:24.185 --> 01:02:26.045
No, it's actually through
your settings, it's

01:02:26.045 --> 01:02:27.605
through your settings
on your browser.

01:02:27.935 --> 01:02:30.035
Uh, because when
you, auto-populate a

01:02:30.035 --> 01:02:32.945
password, you go save
password stars, right?

01:02:32.945 --> 01:02:33.095
Yeah.

01:02:33.095 --> 01:02:34.775
It shows with stars, but
in the backend settings

01:02:34.775 --> 01:02:37.895
of your internet, you
can actually view your

01:02:37.895 --> 01:02:38.825
password that way.

01:02:38.825 --> 01:02:39.965
So I, I messaged him.

01:02:39.965 --> 01:02:41.495
I go, Hey man, uh,
use my computer.

01:02:41.495 --> 01:02:42.275
He goes, yeah, thanks.

01:02:42.275 --> 01:02:43.095
You know, I know
you were gone.

01:02:43.105 --> 01:02:45.095
And I said, and I just
shut this password.

01:02:45.215 --> 01:02:46.625
And he's like, excuse me.

01:02:46.985 --> 01:02:50.435
And I said, you know,
a clear, clear history

01:02:50.435 --> 01:02:51.095
before you leave.

01:02:51.125 --> 01:02:51.185
Yeah.

01:02:51.765 --> 01:02:54.555
Um, and, and don't
auto-populate and save

01:02:54.555 --> 01:02:55.634
your passwords, right?

01:02:55.665 --> 01:02:57.975
That's for convenience
rather than for security.

01:02:58.634 --> 01:03:00.765
And, and sometimes you'll
need to know the password

01:03:00.765 --> 01:03:02.655
to the computer to do
that, but just little

01:03:02.655 --> 01:03:03.675
things like that, right.

01:03:03.735 --> 01:03:07.215
You go in, uh, the,
the best, the funniest

01:03:07.215 --> 01:03:08.745
thing is, you know,
I got to go get a new

01:03:08.745 --> 01:03:09.855
phone, uh, tomorrow.

01:03:11.415 --> 01:03:13.335
I guarantee, and this
happens every time I'm

01:03:13.335 --> 01:03:15.705
at an apple store, you
get, uh, you get that mom

01:03:15.705 --> 01:03:17.455
and dad running around,
getting their phone,

01:03:17.485 --> 01:03:19.455
you get the kid at one
phone, testing it out,

01:03:19.455 --> 01:03:19.935
but what does he do?

01:03:19.935 --> 01:03:21.345
And he's logging
into his Facebook or

01:03:21.345 --> 01:03:22.005
his Instagram there.

01:03:22.005 --> 01:03:23.655
I need to save it
and keeps it open.

01:03:23.655 --> 01:03:25.875
And I'm like, okay.

01:03:25.965 --> 01:03:26.295
Right.

01:03:26.295 --> 01:03:28.445
Like, so yeah, you gotta,
you gotta be mindful

01:03:28.485 --> 01:03:30.975
on what you're doing
and logging in and into

01:03:30.975 --> 01:03:31.995
what, what devices.

01:03:31.995 --> 01:03:33.405
And so these kids just,
they just want to check

01:03:33.405 --> 01:03:35.085
their Facebook or social
media, but then it's

01:03:35.085 --> 01:03:36.825
logged in and maybe
all your personal, and

01:03:36.825 --> 01:03:38.895
so, yeah, don't auto
save your passwords

01:03:38.985 --> 01:03:39.705
essentially as well.

01:03:40.335 --> 01:03:40.485
You

01:03:40.485 --> 01:03:43.425
know, I guess it's less
on the open source side

01:03:43.425 --> 01:03:46.005
when the people start
going in, in that area.

01:03:46.185 --> 01:03:47.145
It's just human
error, right?

01:03:47.145 --> 01:03:47.505
Totally.

01:03:47.765 --> 01:03:47.925
Yeah.

01:03:48.075 --> 01:03:50.535
I remember I had a,
um, there was one law

01:03:50.535 --> 01:03:53.355
firm that I was doing
some work for and a,

01:03:54.075 --> 01:03:56.175
they called me up and
they said there's, uh,

01:03:56.185 --> 01:03:59.145
a woman came in and
she was having problems

01:03:59.145 --> 01:04:01.145
with her husband,
wanted to divorce him.

01:04:01.145 --> 01:04:03.795
And the lawyers do
the first thing that

01:04:03.975 --> 01:04:05.805
lawyers typically will
do is pour a lot of

01:04:05.805 --> 01:04:06.675
cold water on you.

01:04:06.765 --> 01:04:07.095
Right.

01:04:07.095 --> 01:04:09.195
Try and get some, some
common sand syndrome.

01:04:10.170 --> 01:04:11.160
It's going to cost a lot.

01:04:11.160 --> 01:04:12.690
It's going to be a
difficult process.

01:04:12.690 --> 01:04:14.460
It's gonna, anyways,
they go through this

01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:16.740
whole thing and she says,
well, I got money and she

01:04:16.740 --> 01:04:20.339
pulls out a can, so big
water cash inside here.

01:04:20.670 --> 01:04:21.299
Like what

01:04:21.870 --> 01:04:22.100
then?

01:04:22.109 --> 01:04:23.879
Like, like an
actual, like paint

01:04:23.879 --> 01:04:24.720
cans, tin cans.

01:04:24.720 --> 01:04:25.170
I think

01:04:25.830 --> 01:04:27.149
from what it was relayed
to me, it was like a

01:04:27.149 --> 01:04:28.170
soup can or something.

01:04:28.170 --> 01:04:28.470
Right.

01:04:28.470 --> 01:04:30.690
And what if a cast, like,
where'd you get this?

01:04:30.720 --> 01:04:33.420
Oh, my husband, he's got
a whole bunch of these.

01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:33.690
Right.

01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:35.399
Okay.

01:04:35.399 --> 01:04:36.089
What's going on?

01:04:36.089 --> 01:04:37.950
And he started digging
a little bit anyways,

01:04:37.950 --> 01:04:42.930
say, um, I, uh, they
contacted me on, on

01:04:42.930 --> 01:04:44.310
some of the work that
needed to be done.

01:04:44.819 --> 01:04:47.640
And then I spoke to some
of the security agencies

01:04:47.640 --> 01:04:49.290
that we do work with
and they just needed to

01:04:49.290 --> 01:04:52.200
do a detail on, on the
individual and the place.

01:04:52.200 --> 01:04:53.399
Of course she
gave permission.

01:04:53.399 --> 01:04:54.810
They go in, but the.

01:04:55.740 --> 01:04:59.580
Everything, uh, thumb
drives and it tells

01:04:59.580 --> 01:05:01.740
you what's been put on,
what's been taken off,

01:05:01.770 --> 01:05:04.710
uh, there's uh, little
tidbits of information

01:05:04.710 --> 01:05:07.980
with data timestamps,
your toaster, right?

01:05:08.220 --> 01:05:10.590
Like everything that they
can, they go in there and

01:05:10.590 --> 01:05:12.450
they securely properly
image these things.

01:05:12.450 --> 01:05:15.690
So that's a little less
on the open source,

01:05:15.690 --> 01:05:19.680
but from a privacy
standpoint, um, also

01:05:19.680 --> 01:05:22.020
I guess, knowing who
you're with right.

01:05:22.020 --> 01:05:23.640
Would be, would be
a good situation or

01:05:23.650 --> 01:05:26.400
your buddy there goes,
luckily you're honest.

01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:28.320
And you tell them like,
look, don't, don't use

01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:32.130
your password like this,
but that's a, uh, it does

01:05:32.130 --> 01:05:33.690
bring up a really good

01:05:34.020 --> 01:05:34.410
point.

01:05:34.500 --> 01:05:37.800
So, Travis, you, you,
I thought about a story

01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:41.670
here because do you
ever, what do you do with

01:05:41.670 --> 01:05:43.500
your phones when you,
when you, when you get.

01:05:45.150 --> 01:05:46.680
And you may be different
for, you may be different

01:05:46.680 --> 01:05:48.990
than most so, but
everyone else thinking,

01:05:49.020 --> 01:05:51.360
I guarantee you, your
folks listening, they're

01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:53.790
like, well, that's
a 500, $700 phone.

01:05:53.790 --> 01:05:54.600
I'm going to resell it.

01:05:54.630 --> 01:05:54.779
Yeah.

01:05:54.810 --> 01:05:55.049
Nope.

01:05:55.080 --> 01:05:55.650
Not, not

01:05:55.650 --> 01:05:55.980
one.

01:05:56.009 --> 01:05:57.299
I can show you
where they all are

01:05:57.600 --> 01:05:58.529
and I'll show you.

01:05:58.890 --> 01:06:01.860
I have probably 50
that, that phone that

01:06:01.860 --> 01:06:03.480
has to go back to work
and I'm going to be

01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:06.450
like, ah, we should
just, you know, because

01:06:06.750 --> 01:06:09.750
criminals were going to
like garage sales or,

01:06:09.750 --> 01:06:11.069
or buying fax machine.

01:06:11.110 --> 01:06:12.450
Think of when you
think of your fax

01:06:12.450 --> 01:06:12.960
machine or your.

01:06:14.235 --> 01:06:16.635
How much personal
information you are

01:06:16.635 --> 01:06:17.475
sending through that,

01:06:18.525 --> 01:06:20.715
your scanner and fax
machine, they are so

01:06:20.715 --> 01:06:23.205
poorly encrypted for
the most part that you

01:06:23.205 --> 01:06:25.215
can pull that data off.

01:06:25.245 --> 01:06:25.625
Yes.

01:06:26.445 --> 01:06:26.745
Yeah.

01:06:26.985 --> 01:06:28.545
So I sell my phone.

01:06:29.325 --> 01:06:33.045
I plug in, I buy for 10
grand, a celebrate kit.

01:06:33.825 --> 01:06:34.035
Okay.

01:06:34.035 --> 01:06:35.625
Celebrate a lot of time.

01:06:35.625 --> 01:06:37.365
Law enforcement will
use that to extract

01:06:37.365 --> 01:06:38.505
data off devices, right?

01:06:38.655 --> 01:06:40.575
Every photo that you
take on your phone,

01:06:40.575 --> 01:06:41.925
even though you
delete it can still

01:06:41.925 --> 01:06:43.035
possibly be extracted.

01:06:43.035 --> 01:06:43.215
There's.

01:06:43.215 --> 01:06:44.325
There's a lot
of information.

01:06:44.805 --> 01:06:47.415
I sell my phone to
the wrong person, even

01:06:47.415 --> 01:06:49.815
though I factory reset
it, there's still ways

01:06:49.815 --> 01:06:52.245
of possibly getting
back that information.

01:06:52.245 --> 01:06:53.655
And I have a good
friend of mine.

01:06:53.655 --> 01:06:56.565
Who's also with me in,
in, in certain, uh, with

01:06:56.565 --> 01:06:59.805
the , uh, influenced
activities in, in, uh,

01:06:59.835 --> 01:07:00.855
here within the military.

01:07:01.125 --> 01:07:02.265
That's what he
specializes in.

01:07:02.505 --> 01:07:02.805
Right.

01:07:02.865 --> 01:07:06.345
And, uh, so you plug
in this celebrate.

01:07:08.415 --> 01:07:10.395
And criminals, we're
getting information

01:07:10.395 --> 01:07:13.785
from facts, scanners,
and, and now they're,

01:07:13.815 --> 01:07:15.885
they're exploiting people
who have, you know,

01:07:16.425 --> 01:07:17.835
just want to get rid
of their equipment and

01:07:17.835 --> 01:07:18.555
make money off of it.

01:07:18.555 --> 01:07:20.475
But unbeknownst to
these individuals,

01:07:20.475 --> 01:07:22.755
these criminals are
getting some pretty

01:07:22.755 --> 01:07:23.715
sensitive information.

01:07:23.715 --> 01:07:26.205
Think of all the checks,
all the documents, all

01:07:26.205 --> 01:07:28.365
the information you scan,
think about contents on

01:07:28.365 --> 01:07:30.645
your phone, and now you
have these individuals

01:07:30.675 --> 01:07:31.845
extracting all that data.

01:07:32.085 --> 01:07:33.405
Well, okay.

01:07:33.435 --> 01:07:34.395
Back could
crumble a business

01:07:34.695 --> 01:07:38.265
from what I understand,
I, and maybe law

01:07:38.265 --> 01:07:40.965
enforce is going to have
different tools, but the

01:07:41.025 --> 01:07:43.155
I-phones particularly
now every generation

01:07:43.155 --> 01:07:46.005
that comes out a simple
factory reset on that

01:07:46.575 --> 01:07:52.305
can, can be very, very
difficult to retrieve any

01:07:52.305 --> 01:07:52.635
information.

01:07:52.815 --> 01:07:53.175
Yeah.

01:07:53.265 --> 01:07:55.035
And that's, and that's
something that, that

01:07:55.035 --> 01:07:56.385
is definitely, if
you're going to sell

01:07:56.385 --> 01:07:57.135
your phone right.

01:07:57.135 --> 01:07:58.035
Factory reset it.

01:07:58.065 --> 01:08:02.160
I, uh, It is going
to be, it is starting

01:08:02.160 --> 01:08:03.120
to be a lot harder.

01:08:03.600 --> 01:08:08.010
Um, the iPhones are
getting very, um,

01:08:09.660 --> 01:08:11.250
very privacy focused.

01:08:11.250 --> 01:08:13.470
I mean, even, even back
to the San Bernandino

01:08:13.470 --> 01:08:16.620
shooting though, uh,
I, I, they couldn't get

01:08:16.620 --> 01:08:18.930
backdoor access, so it
wouldn't give them no,

01:08:19.140 --> 01:08:23.100
because that's a, that
would be bad on their

01:08:23.100 --> 01:08:23.910
end for all users.

01:08:23.910 --> 01:08:25.260
So they had to go
to a third party,

01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:26.790
which eventually
kind of got through.

01:08:27.210 --> 01:08:28.890
And so, yeah, there's,
I mean, there's always

01:08:28.890 --> 01:08:30.870
ways of getting through
to things or information,

01:08:30.870 --> 01:08:32.160
depending on how much
money you spend on

01:08:32.160 --> 01:08:33.000
these celebrated kits.

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:35.069
But, you know, the
basic thing is I phones

01:08:35.069 --> 01:08:37.680
are, are definitely
a great phone, uh,

01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:38.880
your apple computers.

01:08:39.210 --> 01:08:40.230
Um, but

01:08:40.710 --> 01:08:42.779
Peter, however,
because we've dealt

01:08:42.779 --> 01:08:45.359
with a few of these X
years, a company here

01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.180
locally, TCS forensics,
parent used to own it.

01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:49.649
I believe he sold it now.

01:08:49.830 --> 01:08:52.440
Um, anyways, we've
worked with them on

01:08:52.440 --> 01:08:56.355
some files and, uh,
We had, I remember one

01:08:56.355 --> 01:08:59.085
in particular fellow
wiped the, uh, the

01:08:59.085 --> 01:09:01.274
computer then through
a bleaching software on

01:09:01.274 --> 01:09:04.605
there, but there's still
a lot of information

01:09:04.605 --> 01:09:05.115
that can pull up.

01:09:05.895 --> 01:09:08.234
I I'll tell you right
now, like w hopefully

01:09:08.234 --> 01:09:10.395
work, lets me keep
this phone and dispose

01:09:10.395 --> 01:09:10.935
of it on my own.

01:09:10.935 --> 01:09:13.845
Like, it's, it's going
to go in the microwave or

01:09:13.845 --> 01:09:15.465
it's going to go, uh, you
know, uh, I'm gonna have

01:09:15.465 --> 01:09:16.575
a bonfire on the weekend.

01:09:16.575 --> 01:09:17.774
It's going to kind
of go in there.

01:09:17.925 --> 01:09:19.395
I going to get rid
of it in, in a,

01:09:19.395 --> 01:09:20.024
in a certain way.

01:09:20.024 --> 01:09:22.215
I'm never, never
going to sell a phone.

01:09:22.215 --> 01:09:25.635
And a lot of times
it's $500 you could

01:09:25.635 --> 01:09:26.265
get from that.

01:09:26.265 --> 01:09:26.625
But

01:09:27.345 --> 01:09:28.904
what's $500 in the grand

01:09:28.904 --> 01:09:30.855
scheme of things and
don't get me wrong.

01:09:31.154 --> 01:09:33.015
It, no one may do
any harm to it.

01:09:33.015 --> 01:09:34.154
Like some kid
could buy it.

01:09:34.154 --> 01:09:35.444
They're like, yeah,
I just put my, get

01:09:35.444 --> 01:09:38.024
my SIM card, do
this, but who knows?

01:09:38.055 --> 01:09:38.685
You don't want to be.

01:09:38.774 --> 01:09:39.645
It's like winning
the lottery.

01:09:39.645 --> 01:09:41.805
It may never happen,
but this is the lottery

01:09:41.805 --> 01:09:42.585
you don't want to win.

01:09:42.615 --> 01:09:43.005
Right.

01:09:43.125 --> 01:09:46.154
So with open source,
I guess, whereas

01:09:46.304 --> 01:09:47.594
looking at before,
we're talking about

01:09:47.594 --> 01:09:50.354
artificial intelligence
and learning software

01:09:50.354 --> 01:09:51.674
to be able to help scan.

01:09:51.674 --> 01:09:54.405
But when we talk about
the don't F with cats,

01:09:54.674 --> 01:09:57.615
that's just lots of
people out there, or with

01:09:57.615 --> 01:10:00.525
the Shiloh buff one with
the, uh, this is a lot of

01:10:00.525 --> 01:10:04.275
people on Reddit looking
at, do Osen agencies

01:10:04.605 --> 01:10:07.785
rely on crowdsourcing
information.

01:10:08.684 --> 01:10:12.375
I'll tell you right now,
when a shooting happens,

01:10:13.335 --> 01:10:17.504
I have somebody monitor
Reddit for Chen eight

01:10:17.504 --> 01:10:19.844
con there's another
site called Kiwi farms,

01:10:20.474 --> 01:10:23.085
because especially on
Reddit, there's almost

01:10:23.085 --> 01:10:24.915
like a, I like to call
it the Reddit bureau

01:10:24.915 --> 01:10:25.724
of investigation.

01:10:26.504 --> 01:10:28.754
It's, it's probably a
bunch of individuals that

01:10:28.754 --> 01:10:30.644
you would picture, you
know, drinking mountain

01:10:30.644 --> 01:10:32.174
Dew and mom, and dad's
basement with a lot of

01:10:32.174 --> 01:10:33.014
time on their hands.

01:10:33.714 --> 01:10:34.344
Yeah.

01:10:34.365 --> 01:10:37.035
It's just, but these, oh,
I've met some of these

01:10:37.035 --> 01:10:38.294
individuals who are just.

01:10:39.390 --> 01:10:40.440
Geniuses.

01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:40.950
Yeah.

01:10:41.190 --> 01:10:45.210
And so this one analyst
may not think they're

01:10:45.210 --> 01:10:48.540
doing a lot, but I say
scan that like, just

01:10:48.690 --> 01:10:51.510
keep refreshing these
forums because these

01:10:51.510 --> 01:10:54.570
individuals, kids,
adults, they're just

01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:57.060
bombarding these pages
with everything they're

01:10:57.060 --> 01:10:59.970
finding it is we are
just relying because we

01:10:59.970 --> 01:11:01.470
have our analysts doing
the same thing and we're

01:11:01.470 --> 01:11:04.140
finding the same and
maybe more, or maybe

01:11:04.140 --> 01:11:07.080
not enough, but I say,
you will sit and refresh

01:11:07.080 --> 01:11:09.150
this page for the next
few hours and you will

01:11:09.150 --> 01:11:10.800
document everything you
find, even though we

01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.290
may have document over
here, but there is going

01:11:13.290 --> 01:11:15.360
to be information that
like literally when the

01:11:15.360 --> 01:11:16.800
name of the shooter is
announced, people are

01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:17.730
going to their page.

01:11:17.730 --> 01:11:20.010
They're finding the
killer's profile because

01:11:20.010 --> 01:11:22.680
within no time at all,
Facebook, Instagram,

01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:24.690
they're deleting these,
these people off.

01:11:24.690 --> 01:11:27.030
They're also applying
upload to the archive.

01:11:27.060 --> 01:11:27.690
Exactly.

01:11:27.690 --> 01:11:27.990
Right.

01:11:28.200 --> 01:11:30.019
I remember when I
was investigating and

01:11:30.030 --> 01:11:33.030
working at the, uh,
uh, the Christchurch

01:11:33.030 --> 01:11:33.960
New Zealand shooter.

01:11:33.990 --> 01:11:34.200
Right.

01:11:34.260 --> 01:11:34.680
Okay.

01:11:35.070 --> 01:11:36.990
My job was to
find the manifest.

01:11:37.785 --> 01:11:39.195
That's that was
my sole job.

01:11:40.905 --> 01:11:42.345
I fist scanning
these forums.

01:11:42.345 --> 01:11:44.775
I found it on this,
the, uh, Kiwi farms

01:11:45.315 --> 01:11:46.545
going to the link.

01:11:46.965 --> 01:11:49.245
It was literally
linked to this one,

01:11:49.305 --> 01:11:52.965
this one page, um,
for no time at all.

01:11:53.445 --> 01:11:55.335
And I got there
just a little bit,

01:11:56.115 --> 01:11:57.405
not fast enough.

01:11:58.635 --> 01:11:59.955
So I'm like, well, okay.

01:11:59.985 --> 01:12:00.225
It's.

01:12:01.019 --> 01:12:02.250
It's not hosted
there anymore.

01:12:03.150 --> 01:12:04.230
I found a link though.

01:12:04.230 --> 01:12:04.889
So what did I do?

01:12:05.070 --> 01:12:08.429
Put that link way back
machine way back machine.

01:12:08.730 --> 01:12:11.070
What they did is is
they, they screenshot

01:12:11.070 --> 01:12:13.349
everything on the
internet and they noticed

01:12:13.349 --> 01:12:14.879
that there was a lot
of individuals going

01:12:14.879 --> 01:12:16.349
to this, this one page.

01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:17.910
So it must be important
that you read of

01:12:17.910 --> 01:12:18.570
themselves there.

01:12:18.570 --> 01:12:20.460
They had screenshot the
whole amount of Festo

01:12:20.820 --> 01:12:23.160
and I'm getting content
back, but I relied on

01:12:23.160 --> 01:12:25.860
someone posting the link
to it from a crowdsource

01:12:25.860 --> 01:12:27.059
page, like this thing.

01:12:27.059 --> 01:12:28.650
So yeah, we are
definitely using it.

01:12:28.650 --> 01:12:30.419
And I, and I guarantee
police are doing

01:12:30.419 --> 01:12:31.019
the same thing.

01:12:31.019 --> 01:12:32.490
Other agencies are
doing the same thing

01:12:32.490 --> 01:12:35.429
and it would be silly
not to, it's like having

01:12:35.429 --> 01:12:37.740
someone do the work for
you and, and there's

01:12:37.740 --> 01:12:39.210
some smart individuals
out in this field.

01:12:39.210 --> 01:12:41.429
So yeah, Reddit and
all these different

01:12:41.429 --> 01:12:43.169
forums, I'd be careful
on the four channels

01:12:43.169 --> 01:12:44.070
and the eight cons.

01:12:44.669 --> 01:12:46.559
It's really the cesspool
of the internet.

01:12:46.620 --> 01:12:47.400
Not, not good.

01:12:47.400 --> 01:12:49.290
Content goes, they're
kind of more, more

01:12:49.290 --> 01:12:50.790
to read it, but yeah.

01:12:51.839 --> 01:12:53.460
Um, I think it was
called a Cicada.

01:12:54.089 --> 01:12:58.799
There is a, uh, there
is a picture that went

01:12:58.799 --> 01:12:59.460
out on the internet.

01:12:59.519 --> 01:12:59.610
One.

01:13:00.495 --> 01:13:04.215
And anyways, they, I, I
think it turned out to

01:13:04.215 --> 01:13:07.185
be a great big online
puzzle and they're

01:13:07.215 --> 01:13:10.005
trying to, they're hiding
clues within information

01:13:10.335 --> 01:13:11.805
and they just go in
behind the picture.

01:13:11.805 --> 01:13:13.575
They look at the
metadata, they find

01:13:13.575 --> 01:13:15.075
something and they ended
up working themselves

01:13:15.075 --> 01:13:16.905
all the way, all the
way around the world

01:13:17.415 --> 01:13:21.045
to try and solve the
I'll put a link to it,

01:13:21.045 --> 01:13:23.115
a cicadas, something
really interesting

01:13:23.115 --> 01:13:23.475
sort of thing.

01:13:23.475 --> 01:13:25.695
But it kind of reminds
me about, uh, this whole

01:13:25.695 --> 01:13:28.545
crowdsourcing effort
for, for intelligence.

01:13:28.545 --> 01:13:30.795
And when we talk about
these guys who are

01:13:31.095 --> 01:13:32.835
drinking the mountain
Dew and in mom's

01:13:32.835 --> 01:13:36.075
basement, man, I don't
know, they got the

01:13:36.075 --> 01:13:36.885
time on their hands.

01:13:36.915 --> 01:13:38.745
They can do some
devastating thing.

01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:41.670
With a little bit of
knowledge and time.

01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:42.000
Yeah.

01:13:42.010 --> 01:13:43.590
And that, and that's it
they've, you know, they

01:13:43.590 --> 01:13:45.630
have, that's what they
dedicate their lives to.

01:13:46.020 --> 01:13:47.400
And they have a lot
of time it's just

01:13:47.400 --> 01:13:48.180
passionate to them.

01:13:48.180 --> 01:13:51.300
And, uh, if you're not
relying on crowd source

01:13:51.300 --> 01:13:53.580
data for sometimes these
intelligence gathering,

01:13:53.610 --> 01:13:56.850
then, then you're missing
key pieces to the puzzle.

01:13:56.940 --> 01:13:57.180
Right.

01:13:57.800 --> 01:13:58.260
So here's

01:13:58.260 --> 01:14:01.140
one, uh, maybe just a
little bit off topic,

01:14:01.170 --> 01:14:05.340
but a more of a personal
thought on it would be.

01:14:05.340 --> 01:14:07.410
You talk about  in
the military.

01:14:07.770 --> 01:14:11.550
And I believe recently in
Canada, we had a, a news

01:14:11.910 --> 01:14:14.430
announcement in regards
to COVID information

01:14:14.430 --> 01:14:15.330
that was being released.

01:14:15.330 --> 01:14:16.260
Did you read
any about that?

01:14:17.940 --> 01:14:19.680
What specifically?

01:14:20.340 --> 01:14:23.130
I believe that was
specifically stated that,

01:14:23.130 --> 01:14:28.800
um, it was, uh, uh, I
ain't measures were used

01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:31.380
in order to gain COVID.

01:14:32.370 --> 01:14:33.630
Compliance COVID

01:14:33.930 --> 01:14:34.410
vaccine.

01:14:34.410 --> 01:14:37.080
Again, I didn't
read that.

01:14:37.110 --> 01:14:38.220
I thought you
were referring to

01:14:38.220 --> 01:14:39.570
something else that
happened out east.

01:14:39.660 --> 01:14:45.690
Uh, but, uh, I what'd you
read back to you, so it

01:14:45.690 --> 01:14:46.500
sounds more interesting.

01:14:46.590 --> 01:14:48.180
I don't know if I, I
don't know if I want

01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:48.720
to bring this up.

01:14:48.910 --> 01:14:54.090
It's a certain issue
that happens, uh, in,

01:14:54.090 --> 01:14:55.800
uh, in more of the
east coast of Canada.

01:14:55.900 --> 01:14:56.850
I'll leave it at that.

01:14:57.300 --> 01:15:00.660
Uh, but yeah, I mean,
I think every single

01:15:00.660 --> 01:15:03.900
day when you and I are
influencing people's

01:15:03.900 --> 01:15:07.740
activities, the news,
the, the people you meet

01:15:07.740 --> 01:15:12.720
on the streets, um, and,
and whatever way you look

01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.809
at it, it could be, how
do we get the most amount

01:15:15.809 --> 01:15:17.610
of people vaccinated so
they can be kept safe

01:15:17.610 --> 01:15:19.890
and, and maybe there
is a component to it.

01:15:20.250 --> 01:15:24.900
I know that the Canada's,
uh, Canada doesn't do.

01:15:26.040 --> 01:15:28.110
That type of work
on our citizens.

01:15:28.550 --> 01:15:29.700
Doesn't do that type of

01:15:30.150 --> 01:15:33.720
the news release set was
that the actually did.

01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:35.220
And I don't know if it
was a bit of a training

01:15:35.220 --> 01:15:37.020
exercise to see how
effective they could be

01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:40.030
added or what all the
details were, but it was,

01:15:40.030 --> 01:15:41.010
it was plastered up in a

01:15:41.010 --> 01:15:41.670
bunch of different plans.

01:15:41.770 --> 01:15:43.410
I don't know if I
want to speak, speak

01:15:43.470 --> 01:15:44.720
specifically to that.

01:15:44.730 --> 01:15:46.230
Cause I don't
know full details.

01:15:46.230 --> 01:15:48.480
I may know what you're
referring to, but you

01:15:48.480 --> 01:15:51.390
know, um, you know, every
single day we're, we're,

01:15:51.390 --> 01:15:52.890
we're being manipulated.

01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:58.170
Um, you know, I, I even,
um, I even was applying

01:15:58.380 --> 01:16:04.920
for a job once and I
figured if I'm going

01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:06.810
into this interview,
they know about me.

01:16:09.240 --> 01:16:12.390
Why not figure out
what I can about them.

01:16:12.810 --> 01:16:13.020
Right.

01:16:13.290 --> 01:16:15.900
And so, you know, through
some basic searches and

01:16:15.900 --> 01:16:17.880
figuring out maybe who
the hiring manager is.

01:16:19.605 --> 01:16:21.285
W I want this person
that liked me.

01:16:21.285 --> 01:16:22.515
I want this job, right.

01:16:22.875 --> 01:16:25.275
If I come to you and,
and, you know, even, even

01:16:25.275 --> 01:16:26.835
coming out in him, he
going out on a date on

01:16:26.835 --> 01:16:29.595
the weekend, or you're
going to, what's stopping

01:16:29.595 --> 01:16:31.335
me from going into an
interview or on a date

01:16:31.335 --> 01:16:35.385
or whatever to search
for that, that hiring

01:16:35.385 --> 01:16:38.625
manager to figure out his
or her likes dislikes.

01:16:39.015 --> 01:16:41.385
And maybe I just spend
my conversation a

01:16:41.385 --> 01:16:43.125
way to say, oh yeah,
you know, what do you

01:16:43.125 --> 01:16:43.785
like to do for fun?

01:16:44.265 --> 01:16:46.575
I just bought a boat and
I like to go boating.

01:16:46.635 --> 01:16:47.265
You want a boat?

01:16:47.295 --> 01:16:48.285
That's, that's crazy.

01:16:48.345 --> 01:16:49.905
And you're just starting
to relate to somebody and

01:16:49.905 --> 01:16:51.765
you get back into this
more social engineering

01:16:51.765 --> 01:16:53.145
aspect and biohacking.

01:16:53.295 --> 01:16:53.775
Yeah.

01:16:53.985 --> 01:16:55.515
And, and there's, you
know, there's some,

01:16:55.545 --> 01:16:59.445
there's some great, um,
great individuals that

01:16:59.445 --> 01:17:00.195
I follow on Twitter.

01:17:01.320 --> 01:17:04.560
And on different forums
who specialize in, in,

01:17:04.620 --> 01:17:08.430
in social engineering,
biohacking, uh, open

01:17:08.430 --> 01:17:11.220
source intelligence and,
and, um, you know, I'm

01:17:11.220 --> 01:17:12.240
always learning from
them because they're

01:17:12.240 --> 01:17:14.040
coming out with new
techniques and tactics.

01:17:14.040 --> 01:17:16.860
And, um, I think
that's the biggest

01:17:16.860 --> 01:17:18.120
thing is you're ever
interested in, in

01:17:18.120 --> 01:17:19.080
this type of field.

01:17:20.040 --> 01:17:23.220
Type in online, you know,
open source intelligence

01:17:23.220 --> 01:17:26.070
techniques, what is
social engineering?

01:17:26.070 --> 01:17:27.750
And you're going
to be like, that's

01:17:27.750 --> 01:17:29.790
social engineering
that if someone did

01:17:29.790 --> 01:17:31.500
that to me and I
didn't even realize it

01:17:31.500 --> 01:17:33.780
and nefarious, and
it can be used for

01:17:33.780 --> 01:17:35.850
nefarious means, but
it's not necessarily

01:17:36.660 --> 01:17:37.670
no, not necessarily.

01:17:37.750 --> 01:17:40.560
And I, every, every
job interview that I'm

01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:43.260
going into or every,
Hey know, possibly a

01:17:43.260 --> 01:17:45.540
new client I'm meeting,
I'm, I'm searching them.

01:17:46.140 --> 01:17:47.310
You better believe
I'm going to search

01:17:47.310 --> 01:17:49.800
them online to figure
out who they are, uh,

01:17:49.870 --> 01:17:51.690
uh, you know, what
they're about and what

01:17:51.690 --> 01:17:52.440
their interests are.

01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:54.030
So maybe I can just
even connect with them

01:17:54.030 --> 01:17:55.050
just that much more.

01:17:55.110 --> 01:17:55.470
Right.

01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:56.010
All right.

01:17:56.010 --> 01:17:57.750
So I think it

01:17:57.750 --> 01:17:58.320
makes sense.

01:17:58.320 --> 01:18:00.420
And we have the tools
and the ability to do

01:18:00.420 --> 01:18:02.730
it, to not use that
I think would be a.

01:18:03.665 --> 01:18:04.635
A little foolhardy.

01:18:04.655 --> 01:18:04.955
Yeah.

01:18:04.995 --> 01:18:07.235
And you know, I think we
have a lot of catching

01:18:07.235 --> 01:18:09.755
up to do with our,
our, uh, different

01:18:09.755 --> 01:18:12.304
agencies to, you know,
going into the RCMP

01:18:12.304 --> 01:18:13.295
Depot training league.

01:18:13.295 --> 01:18:15.005
It's important
for them to be.

01:18:15.065 --> 01:18:16.085
And I don't know if
they do, I'm not,

01:18:16.085 --> 01:18:16.745
I'm not a member.

01:18:16.745 --> 01:18:18.545
And I can only imagine
they're, they're playing

01:18:18.545 --> 01:18:22.925
catch up, but training
these officers in depth

01:18:22.925 --> 01:18:25.505
that you know, what
you're doing online can

01:18:25.505 --> 01:18:26.344
come back to haunt you.

01:18:26.885 --> 01:18:27.934
What you're doing online.

01:18:27.965 --> 01:18:29.585
Hey, like I always,
I always have, uh,

01:18:29.644 --> 01:18:31.264
when I'm talking to
parents and the parents

01:18:31.264 --> 01:18:32.705
are like, yeah, my
kid wants a phone

01:18:32.705 --> 01:18:33.605
and wants to do this.

01:18:33.605 --> 01:18:35.885
And, or even kids come
and talk to me and say,

01:18:35.885 --> 01:18:37.565
you know, I really want
to be a law enforcement

01:18:37.565 --> 01:18:38.375
officer when I grow up.

01:18:38.375 --> 01:18:41.434
I said, that's great,
very rewarding job, but

01:18:41.434 --> 01:18:42.545
what are you doing now?

01:18:42.724 --> 01:18:44.795
So when 10 years
comes up and you're

01:18:44.795 --> 01:18:46.715
in that undercover
role, something you're

01:18:46.715 --> 01:18:48.184
doing now, doesn't
come back to haunt you.

01:18:48.184 --> 01:18:49.535
And they're like, I
didn't think about that.

01:18:50.259 --> 01:18:50.559
Right.

01:18:50.559 --> 01:18:52.900
And it's always, what's,
it's always kind of

01:18:53.139 --> 01:18:55.299
way back in the day, we
would make one mistake

01:18:55.299 --> 01:18:57.309
and there's been, you
know, politicians or

01:18:57.309 --> 01:18:59.950
individuals going into,
into that politics.

01:18:59.950 --> 01:19:01.990
Who've done something
like 10 years ago, but

01:19:02.080 --> 01:19:03.910
we know the opposing
party is going to find

01:19:03.910 --> 01:19:05.259
it and they don't even
run because they're

01:19:05.259 --> 01:19:07.599
like, oh, it's gonna
haunt me down the road.

01:19:07.599 --> 01:19:08.950
And we've seen
that happen through

01:19:08.950 --> 01:19:10.150
different Paul Paul.

01:19:11.769 --> 01:19:13.809
I know I was just
going to say it, you

01:19:13.809 --> 01:19:16.360
know, it's happened
to some people, right.

01:19:16.599 --> 01:19:19.540
Uh, to, to, to some
individuals in various

01:19:19.540 --> 01:19:20.380
political roles.

01:19:20.380 --> 01:19:23.200
And, and I always
like to say.

01:19:25.035 --> 01:19:26.295
You're going to
make mistakes.

01:19:26.475 --> 01:19:28.005
If you're online, you're
going to make mistakes,

01:19:28.785 --> 01:19:30.195
but let's just hope that
mistake doesn't come

01:19:30.195 --> 01:19:32.565
back to haunt you down
the road or, or being

01:19:32.565 --> 01:19:33.675
used in a, in a bad way.

01:19:33.675 --> 01:19:36.165
And I, I shared the
story as well with,

01:19:36.195 --> 01:19:37.635
uh, you know, how
important it is to

01:19:37.635 --> 01:19:39.225
train your kids, right?

01:19:39.345 --> 01:19:41.325
Talk to your kids about
what they're posting.

01:19:41.355 --> 01:19:44.745
There was a family on
vacation and, uh, and

01:19:44.745 --> 01:19:46.335
I guarantee, and then
for those of you that

01:19:46.335 --> 01:19:47.895
are listening, if you
have your own kids, ask

01:19:47.895 --> 01:19:49.605
them, ask your own kids.

01:19:49.845 --> 01:19:52.065
If you, if they know
everyone in their

01:19:52.065 --> 01:19:53.055
friends list on social.

01:19:54.059 --> 01:19:56.250
Um, your, your kids
are gonna come back

01:19:56.389 --> 01:19:58.469
and maybe lie to you
and say, yeah, I do.

01:19:58.860 --> 01:20:00.360
But if they have
like hundreds of kids

01:20:00.360 --> 01:20:02.429
following them and
they're like 15, 16,

01:20:02.429 --> 01:20:05.639
like, do we really think
our, our kids know, like

01:20:05.639 --> 01:20:08.490
really know every single
one of those, those kids

01:20:08.490 --> 01:20:09.120
in their friends list.

01:20:09.120 --> 01:20:10.650
So there's a story
of a family they're

01:20:10.650 --> 01:20:11.429
going to Mexico.

01:20:11.700 --> 01:20:11.940
Okay.

01:20:11.940 --> 01:20:14.219
So mom and dad take
family and a few of

01:20:14.219 --> 01:20:17.160
the kids in it and ACU
the kids, friends, and

01:20:17.160 --> 01:20:19.740
another couple, they
go on vacation and

01:20:20.030 --> 01:20:22.019
parents that are just
there to drink my tea.

01:20:22.019 --> 01:20:23.429
I sit on the beach and
have a good time, right?

01:20:23.429 --> 01:20:23.580
Yeah.

01:20:23.730 --> 01:20:24.450
What are the kids doing?

01:20:24.450 --> 01:20:26.160
Well, I want to
get to the resort.

01:20:26.160 --> 01:20:26.910
I want to take a photo.

01:20:26.910 --> 01:20:28.620
I want to show to
my friends that I'm

01:20:28.620 --> 01:20:29.849
on vacation while
they're at home.

01:20:29.849 --> 01:20:31.110
You know what they're
doing, whatever.

01:20:31.590 --> 01:20:33.929
Um, and so the kids
rush, they start

01:20:33.929 --> 01:20:34.950
to post online.

01:20:35.309 --> 01:20:37.440
And a few days in one
of the kids receives a

01:20:37.440 --> 01:20:40.380
message from a, a boy
that she's had in her

01:20:40.380 --> 01:20:44.219
friends list for her for
years, but never actually

01:20:44.280 --> 01:20:45.450
met them in real life.

01:20:45.870 --> 01:20:46.380
And this boy.

01:20:47.580 --> 01:20:49.860
Oh, my gosh, you
are you're in

01:20:49.860 --> 01:20:50.639
Mexico right now.

01:20:50.849 --> 01:20:52.679
I was there last
year at this time.

01:20:52.950 --> 01:20:54.719
I've actually, I still
stayed at the exact

01:20:54.719 --> 01:20:57.780
same resort as you and,
and down the road, you

01:20:57.780 --> 01:21:00.089
should try ziplining at
this one place and rock

01:21:00.089 --> 01:21:01.200
climbing across the way.

01:21:01.349 --> 01:21:03.210
And there's a sea doing
place down the road.

01:21:03.210 --> 01:21:05.309
And that is
I'm so jealous.

01:21:05.309 --> 01:21:07.530
We just couldn't
afford it this year and

01:21:07.589 --> 01:21:08.610
take tons of photos.

01:21:08.610 --> 01:21:10.469
And when you get back,
maybe we should finally

01:21:10.469 --> 01:21:11.639
find time to hang out.

01:21:11.969 --> 01:21:13.169
And the girl's
like, oh, wow.

01:21:13.200 --> 01:21:15.030
Like, yeah, for
sure looking kid,

01:21:15.030 --> 01:21:15.839
let's go hang out.

01:21:16.169 --> 01:21:18.269
And the boys like,
well, what are you home?

01:21:18.549 --> 01:21:19.440
I'll make time.

01:21:19.440 --> 01:21:21.210
And put it put time aside
to make time for you.

01:21:21.210 --> 01:21:23.009
And then the girl's like,
I'll be home Saturday.

01:21:23.009 --> 01:21:23.639
I can't wait.

01:21:23.820 --> 01:21:24.120
Yeah.

01:21:25.200 --> 01:21:25.889
She goes back.

01:21:25.889 --> 01:21:27.719
They invoice, enjoy
her vacation and they

01:21:27.719 --> 01:21:28.650
come home Saturday.

01:21:28.740 --> 01:21:31.139
Well, rested go in
the door only to find

01:21:31.139 --> 01:21:34.889
that their places been
broken into this kid.

01:21:36.240 --> 01:21:37.379
Even if he was a kid.

01:21:39.090 --> 01:21:41.400
Never been to the
resort, sees a photo

01:21:41.400 --> 01:21:42.090
of him at the resort.

01:21:42.090 --> 01:21:43.320
What's a quick
Google search.

01:21:43.380 --> 01:21:44.910
What's cool in the area.

01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:45.719
Right.

01:21:45.719 --> 01:21:47.130
And just sharing things
that he's probably

01:21:47.130 --> 01:21:51.000
reading on like different
reviews, but really just

01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:52.440
wanting to know when
you're going to be home.

01:21:52.440 --> 01:21:53.099
I don't care about you.

01:21:53.099 --> 01:21:53.639
I don't want to meet you.

01:21:53.639 --> 01:21:53.969
I don't care.

01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:54.750
I've never been there.

01:21:55.530 --> 01:21:55.740
Right.

01:21:55.769 --> 01:21:56.700
So things like that.

01:21:56.700 --> 01:21:58.440
And, and you want to go
on vacation posts when

01:21:58.440 --> 01:21:59.849
you get back, do you
do things like that?

01:21:59.849 --> 01:22:01.170
Your kids are going
to want to post

01:22:01.170 --> 01:22:02.040
because they want to
prove that they're

01:22:02.040 --> 01:22:02.730
having a good time.

01:22:02.730 --> 01:22:05.130
But yeah, we gotta
be careful on those

01:22:05.130 --> 01:22:05.820
types of things.

01:22:06.090 --> 01:22:07.230
So this, okay.

01:22:07.679 --> 01:22:09.590
There's a, a
Twitter post, a went

01:22:09.599 --> 01:22:10.290
around one time.

01:22:10.469 --> 01:22:12.809
And, uh, I dunno if
it was a stage comical

01:22:12.809 --> 01:22:15.059
thing or what, but
this guy he's like,

01:22:15.090 --> 01:22:16.559
oh, look at how much
weight they've lost.

01:22:16.559 --> 01:22:16.769
Right.

01:22:16.769 --> 01:22:17.969
He takes a picture
of the scale.

01:22:17.969 --> 01:22:18.240
Right.

01:22:18.269 --> 01:22:19.019
Then the next
day you see.

01:22:19.725 --> 01:22:20.295
Ah, shit.

01:22:20.325 --> 01:22:21.465
How do I delete a post?

01:22:21.465 --> 01:22:23.175
Cause he stand on
the scale, making his

01:22:23.175 --> 01:22:27.255
reflection in the glass,
but I, I guess from the

01:22:27.255 --> 01:22:30.015
comical side, I, what if
somebody goes out there

01:22:30.015 --> 01:22:31.335
and they put something
online and they're

01:22:31.335 --> 01:22:33.225
like, oh shit, I didn't
realize that there's

01:22:33.225 --> 01:22:34.305
stuff in the reflection.

01:22:34.335 --> 01:22:34.605
Right.

01:22:34.605 --> 01:22:35.415
Or whatever.

01:22:35.955 --> 01:22:38.865
Um, obviously the
internet won't forget,

01:22:39.135 --> 01:22:42.195
but are there some
quick go-tos that people

01:22:42.195 --> 01:22:44.445
should be looking at
at sort of like maybe

01:22:44.445 --> 01:22:45.765
tidying up things of the

01:22:47.595 --> 01:22:48.225
yeah.

01:22:48.255 --> 01:22:50.445
And you know, if that
guy like literally right

01:22:50.445 --> 01:22:53.565
away, was he, he posted
within a minute or two

01:22:53.565 --> 01:22:55.455
later, he deletes like
chances are, there's

01:22:55.455 --> 01:22:57.315
going to be very minimal
people to see it.

01:22:57.375 --> 01:22:57.585
Right.

01:22:58.005 --> 01:23:00.405
But maybe he, like, he
posts the gym, he does

01:23:00.405 --> 01:23:02.415
his full hour and a half
workout and he comes

01:23:02.415 --> 01:23:03.945
back with all these
missed messages and

01:23:03.945 --> 01:23:10.440
he's like, uh, awkward,
um, Who knows how many

01:23:10.440 --> 01:23:11.940
people that saw that
are going to screenshot.

01:23:11.980 --> 01:23:14.040
I like that's,
that's comical.

01:23:15.330 --> 01:23:15.839
You share it with

01:23:15.839 --> 01:23:16.169
everyone.

01:23:16.599 --> 01:23:17.429
You're going to
screenshot it.

01:23:17.429 --> 01:23:18.900
It's just, it's just
human nature and how

01:23:18.929 --> 01:23:20.009
easy it is to screenshot.

01:23:20.400 --> 01:23:24.580
Um, I always tell kids
and there's a, there's

01:23:24.580 --> 01:23:27.719
a, uh, actually I was
investigating a, uh,

01:23:27.719 --> 01:23:31.290
a kid in front of a
school, um, who had

01:23:31.290 --> 01:23:33.780
a gun in front of the
school and I didn't

01:23:33.780 --> 01:23:34.889
know what school it was.

01:23:36.780 --> 01:23:38.400
And so what do I do?

01:23:39.150 --> 01:23:41.790
I go to Google maps, do
that little street view.

01:23:42.629 --> 01:23:45.570
I figure out the, I knew
the community, but there

01:23:45.570 --> 01:23:49.469
is like 10 schools in
that community an hour

01:23:49.469 --> 01:23:51.809
and a half later as I'm
circling every school.

01:23:51.809 --> 01:23:53.219
So I have the photo
up on one screen.

01:23:53.219 --> 01:23:54.599
I have three monitors.

01:23:54.870 --> 01:23:57.240
I have the photo of one
screen and I'm literally

01:23:57.240 --> 01:24:00.719
going Google maps around
the photo to figure.

01:24:01.770 --> 01:24:02.010
Okay.

01:24:02.010 --> 01:24:03.990
That's that looks
like the school.

01:24:04.320 --> 01:24:05.940
There is the,
the playground

01:24:05.970 --> 01:24:06.780
that's the school.

01:24:07.410 --> 01:24:09.060
And so we go, we get
security footage.

01:24:09.060 --> 01:24:12.000
We figure it out from
there, but you can

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:13.710
probably hide your hide.

01:24:14.070 --> 01:24:15.150
Uh, and I give
another story.

01:24:15.150 --> 01:24:17.760
A, a young girl
had her, her mom.

01:24:17.970 --> 01:24:18.300
Okay.

01:24:18.570 --> 01:24:21.030
Got like an old school
Volkswagen beetle.

01:24:21.570 --> 01:24:21.930
Okay.

01:24:22.350 --> 01:24:25.710
She is posting on the,
on the inner driveway

01:24:26.130 --> 01:24:28.050
sitting on the vehicle,
like look at the,

01:24:28.080 --> 01:24:29.640
look at the karma,
just Scott, but she's

01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:30.780
posting on the street.

01:24:33.270 --> 01:24:34.860
No, no house riders
in the background,

01:24:35.610 --> 01:24:37.800
but she lived on a
corner and on the

01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:39.470
corner on her lawn was.

01:24:40.290 --> 01:24:41.429
Street signs at the top.

01:24:42.210 --> 01:24:44.099
So I take the street
signs, I plug it

01:24:44.099 --> 01:24:45.809
into Google maps,
spin it around.

01:24:45.809 --> 01:24:47.309
And now I have the
front door of her house.

01:24:47.580 --> 01:24:47.910
Right.

01:24:48.179 --> 01:24:50.550
So, you know, we have
to think about, you

01:24:50.550 --> 01:24:52.290
know, what are you
taking a photo of?

01:24:52.290 --> 01:24:54.090
And I literally just
takes a few seconds.

01:24:54.750 --> 01:24:55.050
What's.

01:24:56.275 --> 01:24:57.325
What's on the table.

01:24:57.745 --> 01:25:00.715
Like during COVID we saw
a huge, huge increase

01:25:00.715 --> 01:25:02.075
in people just wanting
to take photos of their,

01:25:02.075 --> 01:25:02.875
with their home setup.

01:25:03.595 --> 01:25:06.715
There was a, a teacher
who took a photo of

01:25:06.715 --> 01:25:08.065
her, of her desk.

01:25:08.095 --> 01:25:09.895
She got a, she had
it, she got a kitten.

01:25:09.895 --> 01:25:13.285
She, she fostered a
kitten during COVID and,

01:25:13.285 --> 01:25:15.505
uh, you know, it didn't
have a home to go to, and

01:25:15.565 --> 01:25:16.315
it was at the shelter.

01:25:16.315 --> 01:25:17.905
So she's like, ah,
y'all foster this kid.

01:25:18.705 --> 01:25:20.485
She takes a photo of
her desk, but off the

01:25:20.485 --> 01:25:23.155
side where a few log-in
usernames and passwords.

01:25:23.485 --> 01:25:25.075
And so she sends
it to her class.

01:25:25.075 --> 01:25:26.785
It's literally an
elementary school, like

01:25:26.785 --> 01:25:28.255
grade six or seven class.

01:25:28.525 --> 01:25:31.255
She goes, I can't wait to
share with you on zoom,

01:25:31.525 --> 01:25:33.115
my cat and the kids.

01:25:33.115 --> 01:25:33.745
Like, what is this?

01:25:33.745 --> 01:25:34.855
Kid's like, I don't
care about the cat.

01:25:34.855 --> 01:25:36.295
I see the passwords
where they're supposed to

01:25:36.295 --> 01:25:37.255
logs into the calendar.

01:25:37.555 --> 01:25:38.545
It just takes a second.

01:25:38.545 --> 01:25:38.815
Right.

01:25:39.175 --> 01:25:41.245
There's there's ways of,
of, of going onto your

01:25:41.245 --> 01:25:43.585
social media and actually
going to the back end

01:25:43.585 --> 01:25:46.255
through inspect element,
extracting the photo and

01:25:46.255 --> 01:25:48.385
possibly getting a higher
resolution of that image.

01:25:48.745 --> 01:25:51.115
So yeah, I see kids
all the time where

01:25:51.655 --> 01:25:52.435
blur out your license.

01:25:53.175 --> 01:25:54.825
Because, especially
in the states, I can

01:25:54.825 --> 01:25:56.955
run your, your license
plate through various

01:25:56.955 --> 01:25:59.175
license plate readers to
figure out information

01:25:59.235 --> 01:26:01.815
about your, your plates
are what you, uh,

01:26:01.845 --> 01:26:03.285
here in Canada, it's a
little bit different.

01:26:04.035 --> 01:26:05.025
What's in the background.

01:26:05.055 --> 01:26:06.795
Like I could take a
photo of you right now,

01:26:07.065 --> 01:26:09.015
but over your right
shoulder, there's, you

01:26:09.015 --> 01:26:10.935
know, possibly your,
your business license

01:26:10.935 --> 01:26:13.155
to the back, or I could
zoom into just it's

01:26:13.215 --> 01:26:15.735
situational awareness,
but what's in that photo,

01:26:15.735 --> 01:26:17.205
that's going to give away
information about you

01:26:17.475 --> 01:26:20.715
slow down and have
some disciplines.

01:26:21.165 --> 01:26:21.675
We're so

01:26:21.675 --> 01:26:23.505
fast to do things in
it, put it out there

01:26:23.505 --> 01:26:25.425
and get the likes and
comments and validation.

01:26:25.425 --> 01:26:28.395
And, uh, you know,
adults could be just

01:26:28.395 --> 01:26:29.145
as bad for this.

01:26:29.655 --> 01:26:31.515
And, and it, it
really just takes

01:26:31.515 --> 01:26:32.355
that extra second.

01:26:32.505 --> 01:26:36.315
Uh, I love my mom because
you know, when I'm

01:26:36.315 --> 01:26:37.995
doing remembrance day,
when I'm doing certain

01:26:37.995 --> 01:26:40.425
things, like I don't, I
don't want her to post

01:26:40.425 --> 01:26:41.655
photos of me in uniform.

01:26:42.540 --> 01:26:45.840
Because God forbid I ever
have to go and deploy

01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:48.780
or do something she's
in connected to me.

01:26:49.019 --> 01:26:51.000
And I don't want her,
you know, just in

01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:52.920
unified, just maybe
just don't want it

01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:54.269
on hers, her profile.

01:26:54.540 --> 01:26:56.460
And so she, I love
her and what she

01:26:56.460 --> 01:26:58.769
started to do this,
she actually, um, she

01:26:58.769 --> 01:26:59.639
sends me every photo.

01:26:59.639 --> 01:27:00.420
She wants to upload it.

01:27:00.420 --> 01:27:01.800
She goes, is this
okay to upload?

01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:03.480
Like, it's crazy.

01:27:03.510 --> 01:27:04.920
And I'm like, oh,
I'm like, bless

01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:05.730
your soul mom.

01:27:05.730 --> 01:27:06.690
Like, this is awesome.

01:27:06.690 --> 01:27:08.309
And she'll she'll and
I'll be like, Hey,

01:27:08.309 --> 01:27:09.059
just look out for this.

01:27:09.059 --> 01:27:10.469
And she goes, oh my God,
I didn't even see that.

01:27:10.469 --> 01:27:10.650
Right.

01:27:10.650 --> 01:27:12.510
There's like a sticky
note off to the corner.

01:27:12.510 --> 01:27:16.380
That's like very blurry,
but zoom in a little

01:27:16.380 --> 01:27:17.460
bit and make it out.

01:27:17.490 --> 01:27:18.630
It's just, what's
around you.

01:27:18.719 --> 01:27:19.050
Right.

01:27:19.050 --> 01:27:21.120
So yeah, just take that
few extra seconds to

01:27:21.120 --> 01:27:22.380
just think slow it down.

01:27:24.030 --> 01:27:24.210
Yeah.

01:27:24.240 --> 01:27:25.500
A lot of information.

01:27:25.740 --> 01:27:27.420
And I know we're
just scratching

01:27:27.420 --> 01:27:28.980
the tip of this.

01:27:29.190 --> 01:27:31.530
Is there anything that we
should be talking about?

01:27:31.530 --> 01:27:32.790
Is there anything
else that we haven't

01:27:32.790 --> 01:27:34.110
talked about that
we should really

01:27:34.230 --> 01:27:34.790
think about getting

01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:34.860
it.

01:27:35.580 --> 01:27:35.889
Yeah.

01:27:35.889 --> 01:27:37.080
Yeah, that's a
good question.

01:27:37.080 --> 01:27:40.110
There, there is a lot of
information and really

01:27:40.110 --> 01:27:42.090
it comes down to, I mean,
some of you could be

01:27:42.090 --> 01:27:43.559
listening and be like,
well, the cast is great

01:27:43.559 --> 01:27:45.120
knowledge, but like,
I don't have the time.

01:27:45.150 --> 01:27:47.550
I don't, I don't have,
uh, I have so many

01:27:47.550 --> 01:27:48.389
things going on already.

01:27:48.389 --> 01:27:49.950
And I, I think it just
starts with having

01:27:49.950 --> 01:27:52.200
a conversation with
yourself about how

01:27:52.200 --> 01:27:53.969
you're going to better
protect yourself, having

01:27:53.969 --> 01:27:55.710
a conversation with
your kids, significant

01:27:55.710 --> 01:27:58.080
others, depending on
what role you're in, uh,

01:27:58.080 --> 01:28:00.389
what your job is, uh,
having a conversation

01:28:00.389 --> 01:28:02.639
about what they're
putting out there for me.

01:28:02.730 --> 01:28:04.740
Um, I, I, I
have an iPhone.

01:28:05.099 --> 01:28:08.429
I text my friends,
but I also use

01:28:08.429 --> 01:28:09.630
apps like signal.

01:28:10.740 --> 01:28:14.130
I use an app called
confide depending on

01:28:14.130 --> 01:28:16.139
the conversation I want
to have with sometimes

01:28:16.139 --> 01:28:17.190
people around the world.

01:28:17.219 --> 01:28:20.910
Confide is one of those
apps where I message you

01:28:21.719 --> 01:28:22.710
to read your message.

01:28:22.740 --> 01:28:23.969
I actually have
to scroll down the

01:28:23.969 --> 01:28:26.580
screen and every line
disappears as I scroll

01:28:26.580 --> 01:28:27.389
past the next line.

01:28:28.009 --> 01:28:28.740
Interesting.

01:28:28.769 --> 01:28:30.150
When I want to reply
to you, there's no

01:28:30.150 --> 01:28:30.960
constant thread.

01:28:31.170 --> 01:28:32.280
If I want to scream.

01:28:33.435 --> 01:28:34.305
You only get one line.

01:28:34.635 --> 01:28:35.475
I get nothing.

01:28:35.475 --> 01:28:38.085
So I get kicked out
of the app, right?

01:28:39.405 --> 01:28:43.005
When I go to the grocery
store and I, they say,

01:28:43.005 --> 01:28:44.955
what's your number for
your store rewards?

01:28:45.015 --> 01:28:46.995
I don't give them my
Friel phone number.

01:28:47.445 --> 01:28:47.745
Right.

01:28:47.775 --> 01:28:49.725
I have some, I have a,
I have a fake number

01:28:49.725 --> 01:28:51.015
in my head that I use.

01:28:51.765 --> 01:28:52.875
And then I'll
go from there.

01:28:52.875 --> 01:28:54.765
I mean, yeah, there is
a, still a vulnerability

01:28:54.765 --> 01:28:57.015
with that because maybe
some, maybe someone else

01:28:57.015 --> 01:28:58.545
could use your number and
they say, you know, what

01:28:58.545 --> 01:28:59.415
is the name behind it?

01:28:59.415 --> 01:29:01.995
And maybe the, so you
just also be careful

01:29:01.995 --> 01:29:02.955
situation awareness.

01:29:03.165 --> 01:29:06.015
When I go into a hotel,
I spend more than

01:29:06.015 --> 01:29:07.005
enough time in hotels.

01:29:07.425 --> 01:29:10.065
I have a card I carry
with me because every

01:29:10.065 --> 01:29:12.825
time I go to a hotel,
they ask welcome,

01:29:12.825 --> 01:29:15.285
sir, uh, you know,
welcome to this hotel.

01:29:15.315 --> 01:29:16.245
What's your name?

01:29:16.305 --> 01:29:18.645
And or email or phone
number for records for

01:29:18.645 --> 01:29:19.575
your file to look you up.

01:29:19.605 --> 01:29:19.785
Right?

01:29:20.325 --> 01:29:23.865
So on this card, I have
three lines, my full

01:29:23.865 --> 01:29:27.015
name, my phone number and
my email and I place it,

01:29:27.045 --> 01:29:29.685
I place it down and they
say, okay, thank you.

01:29:30.585 --> 01:29:33.644
I take it back after when
they give me a room key

01:29:33.675 --> 01:29:35.085
and this has happened
many of times, there's a

01:29:35.085 --> 01:29:36.434
big line of people that
are like, all right.

01:29:36.495 --> 01:29:38.805
You know, and I'll
say, please, don't

01:29:38.805 --> 01:29:39.795
say my name out loud.

01:29:41.355 --> 01:29:43.545
Not cause I tinfoil
hat wearing individual.

01:29:43.545 --> 01:29:45.045
I just, I don't know.

01:29:45.045 --> 01:29:45.615
Who's behind me.

01:29:45.644 --> 01:29:46.005
Right.

01:29:47.505 --> 01:29:49.835
I then say when they're
about to give me my car,

01:29:51.254 --> 01:29:52.724
Um, thank you, please.

01:29:52.724 --> 01:29:54.974
Don't say my number
of my room out loud.

01:29:54.974 --> 01:29:56.205
Cause a lot of times I'll
be like, all right, so

01:29:56.264 --> 01:29:58.004
Nick, you know, you're on
room, uh, you're on floor

01:29:58.004 --> 01:30:01.004
for, at a, you know, four
16 and I'm like, and I've

01:30:01.004 --> 01:30:02.775
had to do the awkward,
like, do you mind

01:30:02.775 --> 01:30:03.974
giving me a new room?

01:30:03.974 --> 01:30:05.655
Because, uh, now
you've just told the

01:30:05.655 --> 01:30:07.985
whole line, my right
it's kind of awkward.

01:30:07.995 --> 01:30:10.665
And I, I get kind of, you
know, especially when I

01:30:10.665 --> 01:30:12.554
don't sleep for, for a
long time on the road.

01:30:12.554 --> 01:30:14.865
I remember, uh, there
was somebody that was,

01:30:14.865 --> 01:30:17.235
uh, uh, you know, all
old, busy and old.

01:30:17.294 --> 01:30:19.035
I'll just kind of
rushed to their room and

01:30:19.394 --> 01:30:20.924
they're grabbing things
out of their wallet and

01:30:20.924 --> 01:30:22.184
they're grabbing things
from here and there.

01:30:22.394 --> 01:30:23.834
And the guy's like,
you know, what's your

01:30:23.865 --> 01:30:25.785
phone number for,
for looking you up.

01:30:25.785 --> 01:30:27.525
And there, he just
blurting it out loud

01:30:27.915 --> 01:30:30.375
and I'm standing there
and I'm like, I just

01:30:30.375 --> 01:30:31.695
want to go to bed, but
I'm going to make this

01:30:31.695 --> 01:30:32.445
a teachable moment.

01:30:32.655 --> 01:30:33.915
And I blurred it
back to the guy and

01:30:33.915 --> 01:30:35.235
the guy looks at me
and he's like, what.

01:30:36.250 --> 01:30:37.330
Ah, you just, I thought
you were telling me

01:30:37.330 --> 01:30:37.900
your phone number.

01:30:38.259 --> 01:30:38.980
Well, now I have it.

01:30:38.980 --> 01:30:40.320
And he's like, oh,
that's weird, man.

01:30:40.320 --> 01:30:44.259
And I talked about
what I do and, um, for,

01:30:44.530 --> 01:30:46.299
uh, there's a great
website called blur.

01:30:46.750 --> 01:30:50.200
Blur is, uh, a, uh,
car masking service.

01:30:50.230 --> 01:30:52.089
It's a paid for app
paid for a service

01:30:52.089 --> 01:30:53.799
where you put in your
credit cards or other

01:30:53.799 --> 01:30:56.080
information you use
that kind of drop dead

01:30:56.110 --> 01:30:58.599
number that then forwards
to your real kind of

01:30:58.599 --> 01:30:59.349
credit card number.

01:31:00.280 --> 01:31:03.910
Uh, no one, no one
really has my real email.

01:31:04.209 --> 01:31:06.730
I mean, I'm sure you can
get it, but if, if you

01:31:06.730 --> 01:31:11.230
want my email, I give you
a, uh, forwarding email,

01:31:11.299 --> 01:31:16.509
third 33 mail.com go to
33 mails, sign up, put in

01:31:16.509 --> 01:31:18.009
your real email address.

01:31:18.219 --> 01:31:20.559
And then it allows you
to create a kind of

01:31:20.650 --> 01:31:22.330
a drop dead 40 Neal.

01:31:22.360 --> 01:31:24.219
Let my email could
literally be you

01:31:24.219 --> 01:31:25.870
have like your unique
username, but I could,

01:31:25.900 --> 01:31:26.740
I could have my email.

01:31:27.675 --> 01:31:28.575
You're like,
what's your email.

01:31:28.575 --> 01:31:30.495
It could be like, oh,
it's Travis Bader at.

01:31:30.555 --> 01:31:31.755
And then whatever
my username is.

01:31:31.755 --> 01:31:32.295
And you're like, what?

01:31:32.955 --> 01:31:34.035
But it could be
whatever you want.

01:31:34.215 --> 01:31:35.985
So when, when I
start getting spam

01:31:35.985 --> 01:31:37.875
from Starbucks or
whatever, I can just

01:31:38.745 --> 01:31:41.595
drop it, get a new
one, things like that.

01:31:41.595 --> 01:31:45.495
So invest into your
numbers, invest into

01:31:45.495 --> 01:31:47.835
your email addresses
and, and maybe just do

01:31:47.835 --> 01:31:50.235
a bit of research, how
to protect myself with,

01:31:52.365 --> 01:31:55.545
you know, different tools
and tactics when it comes

01:31:55.545 --> 01:31:58.305
to, or even just even
just searching what is

01:31:58.305 --> 01:32:01.605
open source intelligence,
because it may open

01:32:01.605 --> 01:32:06.255
up your mind to other
things or  capabilities.

01:32:06.255 --> 01:32:07.185
And you're like,
I didn't know that

01:32:07.215 --> 01:32:08.145
someone could do that.

01:32:08.895 --> 01:32:09.135
Right.

01:32:09.705 --> 01:32:13.005
And so then it may spark
your knowledge into

01:32:13.065 --> 01:32:13.845
learning a bit more.

01:32:13.995 --> 01:32:17.025
And, and if, uh, if,
uh, if anyone has any

01:32:17.025 --> 01:32:18.315
questions, I'm sure they
can reach out to you.

01:32:18.315 --> 01:32:20.565
I'd be more than happy
to, to kind of, uh, talk

01:32:20.565 --> 01:32:22.245
with them or guide them
in the right direction

01:32:22.245 --> 01:32:23.055
with just really.

01:32:23.805 --> 01:32:25.455
At the end of day
situation awareness

01:32:25.485 --> 01:32:27.765
and understanding what
we're putting out there.

01:32:27.825 --> 01:32:29.715
And those close to us are
also putting out there.

01:32:30.195 --> 01:32:32.295
I'm going to put some
links up on YouTube.

01:32:32.325 --> 01:32:35.085
I'll put links up
through the podcast.

01:32:35.265 --> 01:32:37.515
And if people who are
listening to this have

01:32:37.515 --> 01:32:39.285
questions and would
like to hear more.

01:32:39.285 --> 01:32:41.085
I'm sure we could
probably arrange a time

01:32:41.085 --> 01:32:43.245
to go through those
in a future podcast.

01:32:43.665 --> 01:32:45.585
Nick, thank you so
much for taking the

01:32:45.585 --> 01:32:47.175
time to be here on the

01:32:47.175 --> 01:32:47.415
silver.

01:32:47.415 --> 01:32:47.955
Appreciate it.

01:32:48.045 --> 01:32:48.435
Appreciate it.

01:32:48.435 --> 01:32:48.885
Thanks Travis.