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Cailin: Welcome everyone to
Faith and Purpose podcast.

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Each episode of this podcast contains the
personal testimony of an ordinary person

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transformed by an extraordinary God.

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My name is Kaylin and I'm
here to introduce this podcast

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for my friend Jesse Duke.

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Jesse is a husband, father, author,
life recovery guide, lay counselor,

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and small group leader, but his
most important role is disciple.

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As a disciple of Jesus.

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Jesse created this podcast to help other
believers tell their faith stories.

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We'll be hearing the personal
testimonies of all sorts of people

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who have one thing in common,
Jesus has transformed their lives.

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Jesus used parables because he created
us to learn best through story.

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And as we listen to how God has worked
in others lives, we find encouragement

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and inspiration for our own faith walk.

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Whether you are already a believer or
just a curious seeker, we believe that

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as you listen to these stories, you will
be encouraged on your own faith journey.

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We are sure that God can speak to you
through one of these episodes and that you

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will see that our heavenly father truly
works all things together for our good.

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When we simply love and trust him.

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If you are currently going through a
trial, we believe that you will come

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to see that your troubles, heartbreaks,
and failures are not gravestones, but

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stepping stones into new life in Christ.

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Here's Jesse with today's guest.

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Jesse: Welcome everybody to
faith and purpose podcast  today.

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I've got my friend, Kyle Renfro
here to share his face story.

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And I'm really looking forward to it.

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I've known Kyle for.

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Both 42 years.

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And time.

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Really grateful to have him.

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Volunteer to share a story
and I'm looking forward to it.

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How are you doing today, cow?

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Kyle: Doing well, thank you for
having me and looking forward to.

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To chat in here.

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Jesse: All right.

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Well, I look forward to it too.

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So, Tell us about your face story.

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How did, how did it begin?

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Kyle: Yeah.

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When I share my story, I always like to
start with, um, My parents and obviously.

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We know as followers of Christ that.

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Our parents fakes.

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Um, Is there own, and our faith
is our own, but I think it's.

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It's amazing to see.

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what happened in my dad's life
because of the faithfulness of my mom.

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My mom's story started.

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Young as a believer and she
accepted Christ as a teenager,

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they got married early.

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And, my dad didn't.

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Become a follower of Christ
until he was 32 years old.

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So I'm the baby of 11.

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And so when you're the baby of 11, first
of all, you're just glad to be here, but.

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Um, The interesting part
about it is I've known.

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My dad is a follower of Christ
my whole life and, uh, Some of my

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other brothers and sisters didn't
have that opportunity because.

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He was, uh, a self-proclaimed
alcoholic and.

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Chasing things of the world.

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Um, when he, when the, the spirit.

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I guess impacted his heart to where he
knew he wanted to be a follower of Christ.

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That changed the dynamic of our family.

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And, um, I like to share that because.

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There's a statistic out that says if the
dad or the family or the father of family.

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Seriously chases after Jesus and
has a genuine relationship with him.

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There's an 85% chance that
the rest of the family.

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We'll Follow Jesus genuinely as well.

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So I always like to start there.

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Again, it's.

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You know, we know from scripture
that we have our own fakes and.

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We can lean on our parents' faith
for, for questions, but we had

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to have our own faith, our own
relationship with Jesus and.

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The spirit lives within
us when that's the case.

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So I always like to start there.

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Just because I do think it's
important to understand.

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The ancestry or.

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Connection to faith.

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Um, And we see that in scripture as
well,  but my story begins, I grew

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up in, in Dillon, South Carolina.

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Had two Christian parents, my entire life.

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and we were in church.

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Every Sunday, twice on
Sundays and on Wednesday.

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And.

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Doing revivals.

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And, uh, so, uh, just had
a strong foundation of, of.

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Of what facts look like.

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And, um, I became a believer at
the age of seven at camp pine hill

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and Bennettsville South Carolina.

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Um, which was a special place.

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In my faith journey
because I continued to.

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To go back to that camp summer after
summer and, um, had a lot of strong.

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Man of God pour into me.

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Um, so I look at that as a, uh, a really
strong foundation on my faith and where

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I learned, where I was discipled and.

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so at the age of seven accepted
Christ was baptized at Kemper Baptist

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church, a little small church that
my family attended for the first

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eight or nine years of my life.

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So that's where my, my faith walk began.

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At the age of seven, I, it's probably fair
to say that not even our frontal lobes

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have developed at that point in time.

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So, so you, you know,
you process what you can.

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I do think the spirit was
living in me at that point.

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And I say that because.

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Um, there were times in my
life where I just felt him.

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push, push me, pull me,
guide me and counsel me.

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Um, even at that age,  my  mom
was the town librarian and in

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lake view, where I went to school
in lake view, Dillon county.

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Was our county Dillon high
school was a big rival of ours.

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My dad.

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On a mechanic shop and Dylan.

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And so.

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Uh, I spent time.

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In the library.

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Um, with my mom, I spent time.

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At my dad's mechanic shop.

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I learned a couple of things there,
both my parents were very given people.

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My mom.

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One of the first things she told me.

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Um, When I went to school, she,
she gave me some money for some

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canteen money is what we call it.

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And she said, listen, If you bought
anything at that canteen, you

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better buy your friends something.

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And so.

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You know, just some of the, the,
the morals that we know that.

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Um, You know, Christ would want
us to live by or exemplified.

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Through my mom.

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And then I watched my dad.

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Did the same where he would do.

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You know, he, he was in
the mechanic business.

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A lot of times I saw where.

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It didn't seem to, he made much money
cause he did a lot of things for free.

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And so it taught me some things
about what's important in life.

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Um, I know that.

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There's a difference between.

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Good.

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And good and guide, but, uh, I
think we all know that God is, is.

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Overflows with good.

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And so, you know, Through my life,
trying to understand that became.

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I'd say difficult at times.

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Um, faith was difficult at times, but.

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We do know that chasing after Jesus
and looking at how he lived his life.

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Um, there were a lot of just great
things, good things that he did.

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Um, what I never wanted to do.

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And as I'm older, I see that
now it's confused good things

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for things that were from Jesus.

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And so.

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It may sound a little headsy, but I
think it's an important distinction.

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So.

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You know, just talking about
some of the trials in my life.

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I had a great youth ministry at my church.

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We, we eventually started going to
church  And Dylan at first Baptist church.

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And.

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Same to have several.

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Strong leaders in our youth ministry.

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And.

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Um,

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One of the first trials in my life that
I remember that just dominated me is

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I was on a church youth retreat and.

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The first time I saw a pornographic video.

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I walked into a hotel
room already stay in and.

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Um, Some of the guys had something on TV.

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What I didn't realize is how
impactful that would be on my life.

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Um, Pornography became a struggle for me.

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Um, And at a teenage age.

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Um, what was an accidental
stumble into something?

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Satan.

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Began to use it in my life to.

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To distort, um, A lot of things.

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You know, as I, as I got older and
God grace and mercy helped me get

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through some of, some of those issues.

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I started realizing that
the science behind that and.

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Science says that when we see it.

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Uh, pornographic image.

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Embeds in some of our neuro pathways.

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And it's not something that
we can just forget about.

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Um, obviously.

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Guides.

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Ah, gray skin can work through that.

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And.

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He obviously forgives us,
um, When we repent of things.

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But it was a much bigger deal
than I thought it would be.

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And so.

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It changed?

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Uh, the way I looked at.

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Female friends.

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It changed the way.

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I thought about.

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Um, guys's on a sex.

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it became a sinful tool That
Satan used, um, through my youth.

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And.

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Even in the college.

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And so.

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I could spend a ton of time there.

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it's a trap.

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It's a trap that, uh, you know,
I pray for my kids about, Yeah.

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But before you go on.

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I just.

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Um, very familiar with.

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Pornography myself.

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I've had my own struggles,
but that was way before.

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Uh, the internet.

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And all that.

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You know what I mean?

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The Playboy.

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Yeah.

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And yeah.

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Hustler.

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Wasn't a big deal when I.

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I was a teenager.

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Sure.

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you had to really work to find.

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And the real sneaky
and stuff, but nowadays

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It's so pervasive and invasive.

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Kyle: kids just.

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Gets exposed to this stuff.

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And get you use the word trap.

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And it is definitely a trap that
you cannot get out of yourself.

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I at least I don't think
it takes the power.

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Right.

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Got it.

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I'm really glad you.

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You brought that up
because there's, there's.

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Probably millions of
kids out there that have.

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Started down that path and they
don't know how to get out of it.

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And our what to do with those.

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Images that you can't see.

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So you want to expand a little bit.

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Yeah.

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So it's a.

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You know, I'm 43 years old.

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And, uh,

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It was a little different back then,
uh, you know, I heard from my kids and.

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Uh, my friend's kids because.

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Of social media now and
how, how easy it is.

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To get to.

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The pornographic world.

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Uh, Satan's obviously grown so much.

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Um, when I was growing up.

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We didn't have cell phones.

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We didn't have internet until
I was a senior in high school.

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Um, uh, right around that time,
maybe the summer of my senior

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year, I think it's the first time.

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We had internet at home.

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Um, So typically, you know, I
never w or I didn't, it was not.

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Around magazines.

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It was usually through TV.

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And back then satellite was a
big, big way of getting TV and.

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Satellite.

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You know, it was pretty much.

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Anything you wanted to
find and you could, and so.

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I learned quickly how
to find those things.

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Um, and.

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I didn't realize at the
time how it was a trap.

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And how it.

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Dominated my life and my thoughts and,
um, Even as God was working in my life.

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It was a sin that just had me.

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You know, by the neck.

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So.

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So.

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I guess your question was.

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How does it, how does somebody get.

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Uh, based on your experience,
how you get free of that trap.

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So I think that the first, the
first thing, and I think it goes

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for any sentence to, to confess it.

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I'm not just confess it to.

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To the Lord, but which is ultimately
what we have to do, but confess

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it to somebody that, you know,
we'll hold you accountable.

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Well, Explain to you.

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You know, The significance
of what you're doing.

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Um,

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And that's the only way that.

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Um, I saw any victory over it.

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So the.

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The way out is to.

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Confess.

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Or first year after.

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To know that it's an issue.

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Right.

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And you confess it to God and to another
person who can be an accountability.

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Sure.

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Uh, and so, and then, um,
you, you just sack to.

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Prey.

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Yeah.

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First strength ever done.

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So.

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This would happen later
in life for me, but.

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You know, and I looked at sin.

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As something that I had to
be violent about, meaning.

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God tells us in scripture that.

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Where it's a violently bite
against our sin every day.

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Not in our own strength, but
obviously in his strength.

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When I started looking at
Sand from that approach.

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It was you respect Sen.

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And in a sense, meaning that.

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We know how quickly Satan can entangle us.

00:14:22.523 --> 00:14:24.983
We know how quickly our
flesh can untangle us.

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I think those were two.

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There too.

00:14:29.033 --> 00:14:32.393
The two things that lead us to
send typically are our selfishness.

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And then obviously, Satan is
right there at, uh, to add to it.

00:14:36.323 --> 00:14:37.832
But, uh, it's a fight.

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And even to this day and his adult.

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And God's given me so much victory
over that and so much forgiveness

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and I've shared it with my wife and.

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Um, We're both aware of how quickly
that can ruin a marriage or.

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Or, uh, certainly impact a marriage.

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So just a confession of that, the
accountability that comes with it.

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But then is this a spiritual fight?

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That you have to have inside you.

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Um, That comes from the spirit.

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Um, obviously, but also.

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From a want to you.

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Uh, you know, we talk
about effort a lot in.

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And our Bible studies and.

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Whereas effort come in to the gospel.

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You know, for, for me.

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You know, hearing the gospel
is a free gift, you know, but

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our effort is an act of love.

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So.

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Um, I don't think we can
discount that the effort.

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You know, if I.

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If I want to be a better Christian.

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There's an effort I can put in.

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To get in God's word.

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More often.

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You know, hopefully daily.

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To spending more time talking to.

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To the Lord and prayer to,
to practice in my faith.

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I think.

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Some of that comes to mind and
Philippians four 11, Paul says.

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I've learned to be content.

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And.

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When, when I hear that initially,
You know, I don't think this way,

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but in order to learn something.

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You have to practice it.

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When I learned my multiplication
tables, I had to practice them.

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So.

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Um, to overcome.

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to go from Paul.

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The killer of Christians to Paul.

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Somebody willing to die.

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For the cause of Jesus.

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It didn't just happen overnight.

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It didn't just happen by circumstance.

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He committed himself.

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To spending time in God's word.

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And he was a smart guy when
he was killing Kristen.

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So.

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To to understanding what grace meant to
understanding, you know, this guy, Jesus.

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He was real and he was real because
of what he had done in his life.

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Not.

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Not just what he heard.

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So.

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That's how we have to fight sin and.

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At 43 years old, I'm still
trying to, to work on that.

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Um, but.

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Having a fight.

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Is is a big part of it.

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And.

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We denied to apologize for, for being.

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Violent towards him.

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Like.

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You know, if you can't handle
a cell phone with internet.

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Get rid of it.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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If that's leading you down a road.

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And it's it's it is important.

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We know we serve.

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Uh, God that forgives, but.

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We also are called to be obedient.

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And, um,

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John 1421 says.

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Whoever keeps my commandments.

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He loves me.

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And he who loves me will
be loved by my father.

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And then he says he'll
manifest himself in us.

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If we, if we honor that.

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Show himself to us.

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So.

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It's

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Not easy.

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But it's simply stated, um, and.

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So our act of obedience to F to
fighting that sin, to turning

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our backs on that sin, to.

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To have the accountability.

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Is part of that learning to be
content and some of these things.

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So.

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I think.

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You know, obviously God's given
us armor mints in the gospel.

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Um,

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And you can study those for a
year, if you really wanted to.

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But I, you know, it's.

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It's certainly in my
opinion, an act of love.

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I mean, cause if Jesus went to the cross
in a violent way, Um, to, to basically.

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Atone for our sin.

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And so.

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Um,

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It's not, it's not a joke.

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Like sends not a joke.

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Satan's here to dominate us.

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And so anything, that's not a joke.

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Takes effort.

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I think.

00:19:06.351 --> 00:19:06.591
Yeah.

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And in the way we love God
by, by running from sin.

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We love God by fighting sin.

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And we also love God by.

00:19:14.391 --> 00:19:15.801
Sharing our story.

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We love God by.

00:19:17.751 --> 00:19:20.091
Being obedient to the
things he's told us to do.

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Um, loving people.

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Um, loving him.

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Spending time with him.

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You know, there's not a secret sauce.

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And these are things that you learn.

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Cause.

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There's not a secret sauce to.

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To love and Jesus.

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It's.

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You've got a Bible.

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You know, you got the spirit in, you.

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We've got, um, An opportunity
to be in God's word.

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Collectively.

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On Sundays.

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Um, you know,

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You practice those things every day.

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Or, you know, as many times as we can get
into corporate worship, we try to do it.

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But.

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So that's the secret sauce.

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So so-called secret sauce, I guess.

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Um, And then we listen.

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And I think.

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And I've spent.

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A lot of my life trying to be a doer.

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Of things and you know, sometimes
God just has this here to listen.

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And there are seasons of
our life where I think that.

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It was more evident than others.

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So.

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Well, if you don't mind me, Can
I turn the corner here, Jane.

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Talk a little bit.

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You mentioned being a doer and.

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And I know that's true.

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You've.

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Pushed a lot in your life.

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And.

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Uh, can you tell us a little better
about What motivates you to do the things

00:20:41.495 --> 00:20:43.685
that you do and maybe talking about.

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Business and family and just
life in general and how.

00:20:49.695 --> 00:20:50.955
The ward informs that.

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Yeah, I think, um, growing up, you.

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You always aspire to.

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To do something.

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I, you know, I thought I was going
to be a ballplayer my whole life.

00:21:02.445 --> 00:21:05.205
When I was playing ball, I
wanted to be great at it.

00:21:05.355 --> 00:21:05.955
I was.

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White and slow, but, uh, You know,
I tried to work hard and you can,

00:21:13.575 --> 00:21:16.455
you can have some success being
white and slow, so that's okay.

00:21:16.849 --> 00:21:21.319
Yeah, I think, uh, You
know, our family in general.

00:21:21.529 --> 00:21:24.619
You know, my, I had older
brothers who went to west point.

00:21:24.649 --> 00:21:29.359
He went into Clemson who were successful
at business, who I had older sisters who.

00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:32.899
We're extremely successful
in the things that they did.

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We teachers nurses.

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And so.

00:21:37.619 --> 00:21:41.609
It was certainly looming in my
mind as I grew up, you know?

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Okay.

00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:45.149
I want to, I do want to honor the Lord.

00:21:45.389 --> 00:21:46.589
I want to arm my family.

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And then I, there were always days where
you're like, okay, what can I do this?

00:21:51.479 --> 00:21:52.829
Can I be successful?

00:21:54.149 --> 00:21:54.629
Um,

00:21:56.549 --> 00:21:57.959
And playing ball.

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Uh, you know, I had a couple of incidents.

00:22:00.899 --> 00:22:02.609
Instances in my life where.

00:22:03.959 --> 00:22:06.929
Um, our successful play in
football and baseball and.

00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:08.159
Had some.

00:22:08.789 --> 00:22:10.229
Some opportunities to play.

00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.029
For championships.

00:22:12.389 --> 00:22:13.799
And one Psalm and.

00:22:14.939 --> 00:22:16.589
Those things are certainly.

00:22:17.399 --> 00:22:19.529
At the time you think they're there.

00:22:20.399 --> 00:22:23.369
The only thing in life that
matters, but looking back.

00:22:24.239 --> 00:22:27.209
It's it's how God taught
you how to, to go hard and.

00:22:28.289 --> 00:22:29.999
Try to try to be good at things.

00:22:31.711 --> 00:22:33.751
From Lakeview high school.

00:22:35.221 --> 00:22:38.821
I went to Clemson for a year and
I was there a year and a half.

00:22:38.821 --> 00:22:39.061
And.

00:22:40.021 --> 00:22:43.561
Um, Had some opportunities
to play college baseball and

00:22:43.561 --> 00:22:45.061
just decided to go to Clemson.

00:22:45.931 --> 00:22:47.311
Um, trying to walk on.

00:22:47.311 --> 00:22:48.181
Certainly it was not.

00:22:49.141 --> 00:22:51.181
Uh, Climpson caliber baseball player.

00:22:51.181 --> 00:22:56.521
So, um, but it, you know, it showed
me that very clearly when I tried to

00:22:56.551 --> 00:22:57.901
walk on and I didn't make the team.

00:22:59.101 --> 00:23:03.061
Ended up transferring to north
Greenville and play in baseball.

00:23:03.151 --> 00:23:05.491
Um, for basically a year.

00:23:05.971 --> 00:23:06.661
And.

00:23:07.391 --> 00:23:09.011
got Bayswater my system.

00:23:09.641 --> 00:23:11.861
That's where I realized I
really didn't love baseball.

00:23:11.861 --> 00:23:12.821
Like I thought I did.

00:23:13.181 --> 00:23:15.221
Um, But I love to compete.

00:23:15.311 --> 00:23:15.671
So.

00:23:17.201 --> 00:23:19.121
I mean, I remember days in college where.

00:23:19.311 --> 00:23:19.941
I did.

00:23:20.044 --> 00:23:21.484
I played a different sport.

00:23:21.561 --> 00:23:26.661
Five times in one day, just competing and
you know how to in a marital level and.

00:23:27.531 --> 00:23:29.211
Trying to find some
time in there to study.

00:23:29.481 --> 00:23:31.791
You know, that was certainly not.

00:23:32.181 --> 00:23:33.831
Uh, top of my list and then.

00:23:35.801 --> 00:23:37.811
When this one summer.

00:23:39.221 --> 00:23:42.011
I came to work with my brother William at.

00:23:42.491 --> 00:23:43.931
His business run, bro brothers.

00:23:43.961 --> 00:23:44.141
And.

00:23:45.341 --> 00:23:48.641
He, uh, took me under his wing
and started showing me business.

00:23:48.641 --> 00:23:50.621
And man odds just fell
in love of business.

00:23:51.401 --> 00:23:53.501
The whole process infatuated me.

00:23:53.931 --> 00:23:56.331
The idea of building a team, the idea of.

00:23:56.748 --> 00:23:58.548
Buying low and selling high.

00:23:58.578 --> 00:23:59.868
The idea of, um,

00:24:00.094 --> 00:24:03.724
You know, just trying to fight to
find the diamond in the rough or, or.

00:24:03.814 --> 00:24:05.224
That last little bit of.

00:24:05.944 --> 00:24:06.544
Profit.

00:24:06.604 --> 00:24:07.804
It was just fun for me.

00:24:08.104 --> 00:24:08.554
And.

00:24:09.394 --> 00:24:14.284
So I was not finished with college, but
we, um, Let me come in and work with him.

00:24:14.284 --> 00:24:14.764
Some.

00:24:16.114 --> 00:24:19.954
And learn a lot and we did several
different things within his business, but.

00:24:21.004 --> 00:24:25.114
Ended up saying, we basically told me
that, you know, he would not pay me

00:24:25.114 --> 00:24:26.974
another dime until I finished college.

00:24:27.814 --> 00:24:29.944
And so I went home and I.

00:24:30.574 --> 00:24:33.814
The cool thing about that is I got
to spend some time on my mom and dad.

00:24:34.534 --> 00:24:35.974
I was actually married at the time.

00:24:36.208 --> 00:24:37.108
I got married.

00:24:37.138 --> 00:24:42.128
Uh, About a year before I finished up
and, uh, to my wife, Jackie, who is.

00:24:42.818 --> 00:24:44.408
My queen is ally.

00:24:44.708 --> 00:24:45.038
Um,

00:24:45.178 --> 00:24:46.348
Like to, to tell.

00:24:46.768 --> 00:24:49.318
People about her, but
she's just special, man.

00:24:50.938 --> 00:24:51.928
God's gift to me.

00:24:52.918 --> 00:24:54.718
I'm going to get you back to the business.

00:24:54.928 --> 00:24:55.258
Yeah.

00:24:55.498 --> 00:24:56.578
College thing, but.

00:24:57.028 --> 00:24:59.158
Uh, tell us how you met Jackie.

00:25:00.328 --> 00:25:03.058
So I met Jackie at north
Greenville and I was a.

00:25:03.688 --> 00:25:05.368
It's one of those spiritual things where.

00:25:07.228 --> 00:25:09.838
When I left Clemson,
gab guide to this, this.

00:25:09.868 --> 00:25:11.128
Just the spirit.

00:25:11.128 --> 00:25:11.878
It was the same guy.

00:25:11.878 --> 00:25:13.228
You got to go to north Greenville.

00:25:14.098 --> 00:25:17.518
Like you got to go up there and
talk with the baseball coach and.

00:25:18.778 --> 00:25:21.358
And it was kind of, unlike me,
I just took off one warning.

00:25:22.108 --> 00:25:25.138
And headed up for a low workout
with north Greenville and.

00:25:26.158 --> 00:25:27.118
That got me there.

00:25:27.118 --> 00:25:28.528
I didn't know that guy is going to.

00:25:28.811 --> 00:25:29.471
Push me there.

00:25:29.471 --> 00:25:31.031
So I'd make my wife, but.

00:25:32.111 --> 00:25:37.531
Jackie's Mom and stepdad were, were
missionaries at the time in Paraguay.

00:25:38.341 --> 00:25:39.421
Um, when.

00:25:40.321 --> 00:25:42.991
Uh, I got to know Jackie war and.

00:25:44.221 --> 00:25:45.901
Because of their connection to the.

00:25:46.711 --> 00:25:49.471
The Southern Baptist association.

00:25:50.251 --> 00:25:53.251
Jackie, who was at the
time living in Maine.

00:25:53.554 --> 00:25:55.054
Ended up coming down in north Greenville.

00:25:55.504 --> 00:25:58.384
And, uh, so she came out away
from Maine to north Greenville to.

00:25:58.894 --> 00:26:00.274
To meet the man of her dreams.

00:26:00.814 --> 00:26:02.300
So, But there's a.

00:26:03.530 --> 00:26:05.660
There's a lot of God's grace in that, um,

00:26:06.270 --> 00:26:08.700
Yeah, just that short time I
was at north Greenville for

00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:10.740
him to connect those dots with.

00:26:11.490 --> 00:26:13.440
Finalizing baseball for me with.

00:26:14.490 --> 00:26:15.990
Allow me to meet Jackie and.

00:26:16.770 --> 00:26:17.460
Um, become.

00:26:18.150 --> 00:26:21.180
Best friends with her and then
going on to get married and.

00:26:22.170 --> 00:26:22.620
Heard a.

00:26:23.010 --> 00:26:25.740
I basically see my passion
for business and support it.

00:26:26.247 --> 00:26:27.507
Even when it looked crazy.

00:26:28.527 --> 00:26:31.527
Um, It was certainly something that God.

00:26:32.307 --> 00:26:32.967
Orchestrated.

00:26:33.327 --> 00:26:33.597
So.

00:26:34.014 --> 00:26:35.184
So back to the business.

00:26:35.304 --> 00:26:35.514
Yes.

00:26:38.424 --> 00:26:39.744
You you w you finished.

00:26:39.834 --> 00:26:40.404
I finished.

00:26:40.434 --> 00:26:43.914
I graduated from Francis Maine with
a business administration degree.

00:26:44.179 --> 00:26:44.629
And.

00:26:44.933 --> 00:26:47.213
The cool part about that is I'd spent.

00:26:48.503 --> 00:26:49.613
A lot of time.

00:26:50.663 --> 00:26:51.323
Working.

00:26:51.863 --> 00:26:55.373
And then I got to go back and
most of my senior level classes

00:26:55.373 --> 00:26:56.963
at Francis Marion at that time.

00:26:57.623 --> 00:27:01.643
Most of your senior level professors
were ex-business men and women.

00:27:01.673 --> 00:27:02.063
So.

00:27:02.903 --> 00:27:04.043
It really clicked.

00:27:04.458 --> 00:27:08.928
For me and started growing that
passion just to be around folks

00:27:08.928 --> 00:27:10.218
who had been successful at it.

00:27:10.878 --> 00:27:12.738
And then we're willing
to come back and teach.

00:27:13.158 --> 00:27:13.518
So.

00:27:14.838 --> 00:27:15.438
From there.

00:27:15.438 --> 00:27:17.208
I came back to work with William.

00:27:17.208 --> 00:27:17.658
I was.

00:27:18.168 --> 00:27:20.478
Probably a better employee
at that time, because I.

00:27:21.198 --> 00:27:25.278
Growing up some, uh, I had more
to lose because Jackie had.

00:27:25.728 --> 00:27:26.328
Was pregnant.

00:27:27.648 --> 00:27:29.418
And so when I moved back to the upstate.

00:27:29.553 --> 00:27:32.223
I had One more person
to be responsible for.

00:27:32.703 --> 00:27:34.893
And so that, that motivated me to.

00:27:36.243 --> 00:27:38.013
To want to work harder, to learn more.

00:27:38.013 --> 00:27:38.193
And.

00:27:39.093 --> 00:27:40.023
So that's what I did.

00:27:40.023 --> 00:27:40.833
I started.

00:27:41.823 --> 00:27:46.443
Just trying to, to learn things and
watch people and listen to people.

00:27:46.443 --> 00:27:46.623
And.

00:27:47.090 --> 00:27:48.320
I did find that a.

00:27:48.533 --> 00:27:52.103
Yeah, people are people and
people were gonna let you down

00:27:52.103 --> 00:27:53.333
at times, people were gonna.

00:27:53.503 --> 00:27:53.983
B.

00:27:54.313 --> 00:27:56.773
Extremely gracious at
times, people are going to.

00:27:57.733 --> 00:28:01.553
Teach you things that they don't have
to and That was a lesson that, you

00:28:01.583 --> 00:28:05.453
know, as a, as a young person, you look
up the people and you don't realize.

00:28:05.886 --> 00:28:09.386
That I struggled just like you do So I
worked for folks within the business.

00:28:09.386 --> 00:28:10.496
I had customers who.

00:28:11.126 --> 00:28:11.816
We're brilliant.

00:28:12.476 --> 00:28:14.486
But maybe struggled with
things that I thought.

00:28:15.446 --> 00:28:19.946
Where we're simple things that conquer
life, but this is how they were made.

00:28:20.106 --> 00:28:22.026
so I ended up graduating.

00:28:22.249 --> 00:28:24.769
At Francis Marion, when
I think I was around 23.

00:28:25.086 --> 00:28:27.576
So it took me about a good
five and a half years.

00:28:27.843 --> 00:28:30.903
Then I worked for William
for about four or five years.

00:28:31.923 --> 00:28:36.273
And we were in a couple of
plants here and there where.

00:28:37.563 --> 00:28:39.063
They would have equipment that.

00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:40.759
they didn't necessarily need any more.

00:28:41.029 --> 00:28:42.979
It was an end of life, piece of equipment.

00:28:43.179 --> 00:28:43.749
At Tom's.

00:28:44.619 --> 00:28:45.939
They were buying a new piece.

00:28:45.939 --> 00:28:49.599
And then, so I went with him and
I said, William, I love to see if

00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:51.039
we can buy some of this equipment.

00:28:51.239 --> 00:28:52.439
That still has life in it.

00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.730
And then maybe sell it to some
other plants that we know or.

00:28:56.570 --> 00:28:59.180
And that's where ESS kind of developed.

00:29:00.470 --> 00:29:02.480
So I've got to stop your Watsi.

00:29:02.510 --> 00:29:02.570
Yes.

00:29:02.570 --> 00:29:03.260
ESS

00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:06.410
ESS is a.

00:29:06.554 --> 00:29:07.064
a business.

00:29:07.064 --> 00:29:07.454
That's.

00:29:08.540 --> 00:29:08.930
Really.

00:29:08.987 --> 00:29:09.827
Paid for a.

00:29:10.307 --> 00:29:11.177
A lot of kids.

00:29:11.518 --> 00:29:14.428
But it's also, man has put
some amazing people in my life.

00:29:14.758 --> 00:29:16.468
We started it back in.

00:29:16.695 --> 00:29:17.655
Oh, 7 0 8.

00:29:17.835 --> 00:29:19.935
So that makes it about 17, 18 years old.

00:29:21.225 --> 00:29:24.975
Uh, what is E S ESS is
equipment sales and surplus.

00:29:25.005 --> 00:29:25.215
It's.

00:29:25.965 --> 00:29:26.355
Okay.

00:29:26.625 --> 00:29:27.225
We do.

00:29:28.485 --> 00:29:29.775
We're a little too broad for our own good.

00:29:29.775 --> 00:29:32.925
We do four or five different
things, but we buy equipment.

00:29:32.985 --> 00:29:33.255
Who are you?

00:29:34.035 --> 00:29:35.265
We recycle equipment.

00:29:35.295 --> 00:29:37.815
We relocate equipment for customers.

00:29:37.815 --> 00:29:40.785
We, um, Warehouse equipment.

00:29:40.935 --> 00:29:42.075
they all niche together.

00:29:42.105 --> 00:29:43.515
And when we're operating.

00:29:44.595 --> 00:29:45.555
At our best.

00:29:46.365 --> 00:29:49.365
W, you know, the customer's been
able to utilize all of those is what

00:29:49.395 --> 00:29:51.225
really is the magic and what we do.

00:29:51.375 --> 00:29:51.735
So.

00:29:52.725 --> 00:29:55.275
That's what we tried to do
the last 17 or 18 years.

00:29:55.275 --> 00:29:55.965
And, um,

00:29:56.375 --> 00:29:58.595
Man it's, uh, it's taught
me a lot about people.

00:29:58.595 --> 00:30:00.035
It's taught me how to love people.

00:30:00.845 --> 00:30:02.105
It's taught me that.

00:30:02.195 --> 00:30:03.965
Hiring good people on your team.

00:30:04.387 --> 00:30:07.447
Can be so crucial and it's
not just the talented people.

00:30:07.447 --> 00:30:09.007
It's the people who understand.

00:30:09.847 --> 00:30:14.270
Um, what a team is, is that people
who understand What trust is and.

00:30:15.020 --> 00:30:16.820
That or, you know, give you reasons.

00:30:17.090 --> 00:30:18.560
To trust each other.

00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:21.350
Um, it's also allow me to.

00:30:21.890 --> 00:30:23.720
Make mistakes and learn from them.

00:30:23.990 --> 00:30:28.160
Um, You know, if we're
serious about our faith.

00:30:29.150 --> 00:30:33.620
Then our faith has the overflow into
our, our work throughout the week.

00:30:33.620 --> 00:30:33.800
And.

00:30:35.090 --> 00:30:38.380
ESS has given me an opportunity
To let my faith ever flow.

00:30:38.600 --> 00:30:42.410
And I assure you there's been
more in perfect times and

00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:43.430
there have been things done.

00:30:43.430 --> 00:30:43.790
Right.

00:30:43.820 --> 00:30:44.150
But.

00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:48.980
Man God's grace is still been
right in the middle of everything.

00:30:49.370 --> 00:30:49.910
So.

00:30:50.690 --> 00:30:51.410
You know, you.

00:30:52.610 --> 00:30:54.470
It's still about people and relationships.

00:30:54.590 --> 00:30:58.550
And I, I can't imagine any
business that is successful.

00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:02.060
That won't echo that.

00:31:02.840 --> 00:31:07.460
Um, Where you deliver, you seem to handle
water, really good people working for you.

00:31:07.460 --> 00:31:07.850
I'm and.

00:31:07.850 --> 00:31:09.380
And I'm curious as to how you.

00:31:09.487 --> 00:31:11.887
Go about finding such a car.

00:31:14.167 --> 00:31:15.247
Yeah, I don't know, man.

00:31:15.787 --> 00:31:17.137
You know, I don't, I don't think.

00:31:18.277 --> 00:31:19.267
That is anything I've done.

00:31:19.267 --> 00:31:19.687
Certainly.

00:31:19.687 --> 00:31:21.193
I think our leadership authentic.

00:31:21.223 --> 00:31:21.913
I think.

00:31:22.356 --> 00:31:24.216
You know, one thing
that I've tried to, to.

00:31:24.246 --> 00:31:27.396
To, to get out of directly hiring people.

00:31:27.396 --> 00:31:29.016
And I think when one of our.

00:31:29.293 --> 00:31:32.556
Successful, uh, Ventures has been that we.

00:31:32.833 --> 00:31:35.973
We have four or five people
who, lead our company.

00:31:36.033 --> 00:31:41.116
in the different divisions and before
we hire anybody, they, those people

00:31:41.116 --> 00:31:44.656
that we are trying to hire meet with
each of those four or five people.

00:31:45.106 --> 00:31:46.366
They walk around with them.

00:31:46.396 --> 00:31:48.286
They talk with them
because, you know, as a.

00:31:48.946 --> 00:31:49.936
As a business.

00:31:50.176 --> 00:31:53.926
You know, we obviously are looking
for, for great people who understand.

00:31:55.156 --> 00:31:57.046
Our culture and what we do, but.

00:31:57.340 --> 00:31:57.758
Bareness.

00:31:57.758 --> 00:31:59.918
They've got to be, you know,
they've got to enjoy working here.

00:32:00.203 --> 00:32:00.863
So are you.

00:32:01.133 --> 00:32:02.993
Feel free to say more about.

00:32:03.653 --> 00:32:05.273
Uh, I don't want to.

00:32:06.113 --> 00:32:07.073
Too much time ago.

00:32:08.123 --> 00:32:09.443
hearing a little bit about your.

00:32:10.823 --> 00:32:11.573
Rest of your face.

00:32:11.663 --> 00:32:11.933
Yeah.

00:32:12.953 --> 00:32:13.253
Sure.

00:32:14.903 --> 00:32:15.173
Yeah.

00:32:15.173 --> 00:32:16.883
So the rest of my family,  yeah.

00:32:17.423 --> 00:32:21.593
So my oldest kid is, is Kaitlin grace.

00:32:21.893 --> 00:32:22.823
She's 19.

00:32:23.903 --> 00:32:27.143
Um, now she is Kate she's graduated.

00:32:27.173 --> 00:32:28.823
Tiller people call her Kate now.

00:32:29.993 --> 00:32:32.540
I still call her Caitlin
grace  Kate's awesome.

00:32:32.570 --> 00:32:33.050
She's a.

00:32:33.360 --> 00:32:34.470
a tremendous athlete.

00:32:34.470 --> 00:32:35.820
She's a volleyball player.

00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:39.480
In high school and just got gifted there.

00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:39.990
She's.

00:32:41.010 --> 00:32:45.780
She's a caring person who is
growing up now and to see her.

00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:47.580
Mature and grow.

00:32:48.260 --> 00:32:49.550
Has been a blessing for me.

00:32:49.800 --> 00:32:50.670
And her mom.

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.900
Um, And so I'm excited about what
God's going to do in her life.

00:32:56.020 --> 00:32:57.760
rollin is my 16 year old.

00:32:57.760 --> 00:32:59.680
He's my, my oldest son.

00:33:00.100 --> 00:33:04.030
Raelynn is, uh, He's a, he's a con fella.

00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.820
He, uh, he loves football.

00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.240
he loves our church.

00:33:09.270 --> 00:33:10.110
She loves.

00:33:10.357 --> 00:33:14.287
being around his friends
and, um, Excited to see you.

00:33:14.287 --> 00:33:19.577
What, his high school career is going to
kind of bring, I will say that our church.

00:33:19.607 --> 00:33:23.987
Uh, we churched at the mill
was, uh, God, that's tremendous

00:33:23.987 --> 00:33:26.117
student ministry in my kids are.

00:33:26.897 --> 00:33:28.097
Benefiting from that.

00:33:28.157 --> 00:33:31.157
And that's, um, If I could say.

00:33:31.787 --> 00:33:33.017
Anything to any.

00:33:33.578 --> 00:33:36.668
Young family is find a
church with a strong.

00:33:37.178 --> 00:33:39.248
Kids and student ministry, because.

00:33:39.841 --> 00:33:43.111
You know, that's, uh, that's huge
in, in the growth of our kids.

00:33:43.321 --> 00:33:45.361
Certainly Bible-believing church that.

00:33:46.021 --> 00:33:47.851
That has strong leadership there.

00:33:49.944 --> 00:33:52.674
My youngest, daughter's Macy, Claire.

00:33:52.764 --> 00:33:53.154
And.

00:33:53.488 --> 00:33:54.508
She is a.

00:33:54.658 --> 00:33:55.318
sweetheart.

00:33:55.635 --> 00:33:56.625
She's 14.

00:33:56.655 --> 00:33:56.955
She.

00:33:57.645 --> 00:33:59.025
She acts like she's 20.

00:33:59.955 --> 00:34:02.085
Just a sweet girl, who is.

00:34:02.895 --> 00:34:08.565
Always witty and bubbly
and, um, She likes fashion.

00:34:08.835 --> 00:34:09.225
So.

00:34:09.765 --> 00:34:11.895
Her and her mom get along
well, they like shoes.

00:34:13.158 --> 00:34:15.918
Um, But just proud of her and.

00:34:16.998 --> 00:34:19.158
As I am, uh, the rest of my kids.

00:34:19.158 --> 00:34:21.378
And then my youngest is Beckett who.

00:34:22.578 --> 00:34:25.608
If you asked my four kids,
they would probably say he is.

00:34:26.696 --> 00:34:28.076
Extremely intelligent.

00:34:28.286 --> 00:34:30.626
And, uh, he's also very witty.

00:34:30.896 --> 00:34:32.306
He loves video games.

00:34:32.306 --> 00:34:33.326
He plays golf.

00:34:33.356 --> 00:34:38.096
He, um, It's just a funny dude, who is.

00:34:39.296 --> 00:34:40.406
Very very smart.

00:34:41.156 --> 00:34:42.656
He got that from his mother.

00:34:43.046 --> 00:34:44.996
And, uh, He is.

00:34:46.076 --> 00:34:46.886
10 years old.

00:34:47.366 --> 00:34:49.196
And man I'm excited for him.

00:34:49.196 --> 00:34:51.566
He's he's actually gifted musically.

00:34:51.566 --> 00:34:53.396
He doesn't know what as much, but.

00:34:54.116 --> 00:34:55.016
He can sing.

00:34:55.406 --> 00:35:00.896
I can't clap and sing at the same
time, but back at it just has some,

00:35:01.496 --> 00:35:03.446
some God given talent with that.

00:35:03.816 --> 00:35:06.306
So, yeah, so my prayer
for my kids is that.

00:35:06.596 --> 00:35:07.976
They'll know Jesus, that.

00:35:08.156 --> 00:35:09.506
The live for him that.

00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:11.990
They'll realize that he's our hope that.

00:35:12.286 --> 00:35:13.426
When things get tough.

00:35:13.656 --> 00:35:14.466
He's our hope

00:35:14.706 --> 00:35:15.186
Where are you now?

00:35:15.246 --> 00:35:16.986
While we're on the subject of your kids.

00:35:16.986 --> 00:35:19.716
I was thinking about how,
you know, you mentioned.

00:35:20.346 --> 00:35:23.586
How your dad and your mom both taught you.

00:35:23.616 --> 00:35:25.146
Uh, generosity.

00:35:25.446 --> 00:35:27.366
And kindness and given to other people.

00:35:28.176 --> 00:35:31.596
And that's the one thing I've
definitely noticed about all your kids.

00:35:31.926 --> 00:35:35.166
Th they, they tend to go
out of their way to be.

00:35:35.676 --> 00:35:36.816
Hospitable.

00:35:37.416 --> 00:35:38.856
In caring and thoughtful.

00:35:39.006 --> 00:35:41.886
Of capable, which is rare for a child.

00:35:42.466 --> 00:35:47.706
to be so, um, willing to connect
with an adult, especially an old guy.

00:35:48.306 --> 00:35:48.636
Yeah.

00:35:49.926 --> 00:35:53.196
And, uh, so you you've
definitely passed on that.

00:35:53.296 --> 00:35:53.926
less than new.

00:35:53.986 --> 00:35:57.556
You're learning from your parents and I'm
sure Jackie had a lot to do with it too.

00:35:57.556 --> 00:35:58.816
She used CISO.

00:35:59.956 --> 00:36:01.096
The same way.

00:36:01.246 --> 00:36:01.576
So.

00:36:02.416 --> 00:36:03.406
Anyway, I just wanted to.

00:36:04.666 --> 00:36:05.566
Ah, thanks for sharing.

00:36:05.776 --> 00:36:12.916
Uh, we've seen them, uh, Have some tag
team wrestling matches amongst each other.

00:36:12.916 --> 00:36:13.186
So.

00:36:14.026 --> 00:36:14.626
That's okay.

00:36:15.436 --> 00:36:16.276
It's nice to hear.

00:36:16.636 --> 00:36:17.416
You know, your kids.

00:36:18.106 --> 00:36:18.736
Getting it right.

00:36:18.766 --> 00:36:19.036
You know?

00:36:19.936 --> 00:36:20.326
Yeah.

00:36:22.148 --> 00:36:25.108
So, You go, go ahead and continue.

00:36:25.678 --> 00:36:26.758
Whatever you want to say.

00:36:27.088 --> 00:36:28.708
I do have a question for you.

00:36:29.728 --> 00:36:30.028
Yeah.

00:36:30.028 --> 00:36:33.658
So I, you know, again, I wanna
reiterate, you know, gods.

00:36:34.408 --> 00:36:39.088
I didn't go to school thinking, Hey, I'm
on this unique business one day that.

00:36:39.958 --> 00:36:46.048
Is around big, heavy equipment and,
um, Is is very much like some of the

00:36:46.048 --> 00:36:49.978
teams I played on the sports in terms
of how you, you fight for each other.

00:36:50.098 --> 00:36:51.268
And you root for each other.

00:36:52.318 --> 00:36:53.608
Um, love each other.

00:36:53.698 --> 00:36:58.558
Um, We've had tragedy in our entertaining.

00:36:58.558 --> 00:37:00.718
We've had success in our team and, uh,

00:37:03.508 --> 00:37:05.338
We made some money along the way.

00:37:05.398 --> 00:37:06.688
We'd lost some money along the way.

00:37:06.928 --> 00:37:12.778
Um, but what I, what stands out to
me most is just the people and how

00:37:12.808 --> 00:37:15.328
God orchestrates people in our lives.

00:37:15.378 --> 00:37:17.328
Yeah, I can say anything is chased.

00:37:17.328 --> 00:37:19.488
The people don't chase the money chase.

00:37:19.518 --> 00:37:24.332
Um, You know, The journey of it,
the growth that can happen when.

00:37:25.082 --> 00:37:28.562
A team can selflessly trust each
other and root for each other.

00:37:29.012 --> 00:37:29.582
Um, so.

00:37:30.902 --> 00:37:32.192
And it's a tool, you know?

00:37:32.402 --> 00:37:37.922
Ah, it's a tool that, that God has given
all of us here to, to honor him with.

00:37:38.102 --> 00:37:38.552
And.

00:37:39.962 --> 00:37:42.092
You know, we meet customers
who are struggling.

00:37:42.122 --> 00:37:45.902
We meet vendors who are struggling,
some of our competitors who, who have

00:37:45.932 --> 00:37:47.612
things going on in their lives that.

00:37:47.952 --> 00:37:49.842
it can just be a struggle
for him at times.

00:37:49.842 --> 00:37:49.992
And.

00:37:50.742 --> 00:37:54.912
That's when we have 100%
permission to slow down.

00:37:55.512 --> 00:37:58.542
And pray for him and show
up for him and love him.

00:37:58.812 --> 00:37:59.112
So.

00:38:00.342 --> 00:38:00.972
Customers.

00:38:01.392 --> 00:38:01.992
Customer.

00:38:02.022 --> 00:38:02.172
Yeah.

00:38:02.322 --> 00:38:03.042
Competitors.

00:38:03.552 --> 00:38:07.902
And it's, uh, we try, you know, we
like to compete, but we like to.

00:38:08.772 --> 00:38:09.582
We want to be.

00:38:10.092 --> 00:38:12.612
Friendly competitors to our competitors.

00:38:12.612 --> 00:38:12.792
And.

00:38:13.752 --> 00:38:14.442
It's interesting.

00:38:14.442 --> 00:38:17.322
How in different industries of what we do.

00:38:18.282 --> 00:38:20.922
You know, we work with our competitors.

00:38:21.402 --> 00:38:21.972
And some.

00:38:22.512 --> 00:38:23.532
Facets of our business.

00:38:23.532 --> 00:38:25.512
Our competitors don't
want to do that, but.

00:38:26.772 --> 00:38:28.512
I always thought it was pretty cool.

00:38:28.512 --> 00:38:29.772
When you can work with a competitor.

00:38:29.982 --> 00:38:30.282
Yeah.

00:38:30.462 --> 00:38:30.762
Yeah.

00:38:31.062 --> 00:38:32.292
So, yeah.

00:38:34.272 --> 00:38:36.012
So it sounds like you're using.

00:38:36.408 --> 00:38:39.258
Godly principles to run your business.

00:38:39.738 --> 00:38:41.598
And then yeah, every day we got to.

00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.319
You know, we, one of our core values.

00:38:45.649 --> 00:38:49.249
Is built on Philippians two,
four, and it says, look, not

00:38:49.249 --> 00:38:52.129
only to your own interests, but
also to the interest of others.

00:38:52.369 --> 00:38:52.879
And so.

00:38:53.343 --> 00:38:55.533
If we can genuinely do that, then.

00:38:56.883 --> 00:38:58.833
You know, it doesn't matter who you are.

00:38:59.763 --> 00:39:02.253
When, you know, somebody's
concerned about your interest.

00:39:03.100 --> 00:39:05.470
You can let some guards down
and be real with each other.

00:39:05.650 --> 00:39:06.040
Yeah.

00:39:06.640 --> 00:39:06.790
Yeah.

00:39:06.910 --> 00:39:07.210
So.

00:39:09.730 --> 00:39:12.190
Well, that to me, that's the secret.

00:39:12.940 --> 00:39:16.120
It sounds like the secret of
your success as you've been.

00:39:16.147 --> 00:39:16.597
January.

00:39:16.757 --> 00:39:21.587
mean, and in every aspect of
your life and, God has rewarded.

00:39:22.187 --> 00:39:22.577
I mean.

00:39:23.087 --> 00:39:25.937
Jesus says give, and it will
be given to you press down,

00:39:25.937 --> 00:39:27.377
shaken together, running over.

00:39:27.917 --> 00:39:31.847
It sounds like that's well,
I, you know, It sounds good.

00:39:32.897 --> 00:39:35.147
You know, but man, I've
been the recipient of that.

00:39:35.627 --> 00:39:36.407
A ton.

00:39:36.677 --> 00:39:41.027
Um, You know, my, my mom, my dad, William.

00:39:41.327 --> 00:39:42.467
My brother who.

00:39:43.367 --> 00:39:46.787
You know, just taught me about giving.

00:39:47.477 --> 00:39:49.007
Who's a very generous person.

00:39:50.327 --> 00:39:53.657
I mean, I go through every one of my
brothers and sisters and tell you shit.

00:39:54.347 --> 00:39:54.737
where.

00:39:55.607 --> 00:39:58.907
They, uh, Just gave selflessly.

00:39:59.687 --> 00:40:00.557
For my benefit.

00:40:00.767 --> 00:40:03.377
I can tell you about so many
people in business, I've done

00:40:03.377 --> 00:40:04.757
that and I've worked for.

00:40:06.047 --> 00:40:09.467
And so I saw the least, you know,
the least that we can do is.

00:40:10.397 --> 00:40:12.467
Try to, to honor Jesus by.

00:40:12.747 --> 00:40:14.337
Doing what he said, you know?

00:40:15.357 --> 00:40:15.567
Sure.

00:40:15.957 --> 00:40:16.707
I love others.

00:40:16.707 --> 00:40:18.417
Treat others as you want to be treated.

00:40:18.467 --> 00:40:21.767
You know, we're, we're a for-profit
business, so it's, it's, you

00:40:21.767 --> 00:40:23.267
know, we're here to try to win.

00:40:23.957 --> 00:40:25.217
You know, profitably.

00:40:26.267 --> 00:40:29.267
But there's no amount of
profit that can Trump.

00:40:29.618 --> 00:40:32.348
You know, just loving to work with
the people that you work with.

00:40:32.948 --> 00:40:34.178
And making sure they know.

00:40:35.228 --> 00:40:37.838
That you know, their interests
are important to you.

00:40:38.318 --> 00:40:38.738
And.

00:40:39.998 --> 00:40:41.858
Yeah, I hope our guys see that.

00:40:42.308 --> 00:40:45.908
You know, Uh, I don't, I'm sure
there's times we've gotten it wrong.

00:40:46.478 --> 00:40:46.928
But.

00:40:47.828 --> 00:40:48.878
If we do, we want to.

00:40:50.678 --> 00:40:51.968
Ask for forgiveness and.

00:40:52.958 --> 00:40:53.528
Get it right.

00:40:54.428 --> 00:40:54.938
Yeah, so.

00:40:57.128 --> 00:41:02.138
Well, I haven't really been keeping
interacted time here, but before we get

00:41:02.138 --> 00:41:08.398
too far I wanted to ask you, uh, Just
kind of take a 30,000 foot view of your.

00:41:08.818 --> 00:41:14.358
Spiritual journey and your life
and What, what advice or wisdom

00:41:14.358 --> 00:41:17.928
would you have to pass along to
some, somebody out there that a.

00:41:19.188 --> 00:41:20.838
Uh, Jeremy struggling.

00:41:23.538 --> 00:41:24.228
I, um,

00:41:24.548 --> 00:41:27.848
You know, I think a couple of
things, you got to start with a

00:41:27.848 --> 00:41:29.888
personal relationship with Jesus and.

00:41:31.652 --> 00:41:34.532
No one can personally live my
faith and I can't personally

00:41:34.532 --> 00:41:36.092
live someone else's faith, but.

00:41:36.902 --> 00:41:41.372
I was probably 33, 34 years old before.

00:41:41.972 --> 00:41:42.842
Somebody.

00:41:43.502 --> 00:41:44.792
Walk me through.

00:41:45.065 --> 00:41:47.465
What it looked like to spend
time with the Lord daily.

00:41:47.791 --> 00:41:49.261
Now don't get me wrong.

00:41:49.321 --> 00:41:53.701
I was taught to spend time with
the Lord daily, but to sit down and

00:41:53.701 --> 00:41:56.311
walk me through scripture reading.

00:41:57.181 --> 00:41:59.731
You know, observing what
you read, writing it down.

00:42:00.241 --> 00:42:03.331
Writing down an application of that
scripture to your life, and then

00:42:03.361 --> 00:42:05.401
praying over that whole concept.

00:42:06.601 --> 00:42:08.851
So my advice is.

00:42:09.485 --> 00:42:10.385
Lorna method.

00:42:10.658 --> 00:42:16.478
With spending time in scripture and
having the personal time with the Lord.

00:42:16.628 --> 00:42:18.908
Um, There's a lot of methods out there.

00:42:19.058 --> 00:42:21.908
There's soap there's camp, but ultimately.

00:42:22.718 --> 00:42:27.818
Um, they all, um, Um, our
tools that just allow us to.

00:42:28.928 --> 00:42:29.678
To here.

00:42:30.758 --> 00:42:32.408
C apply.

00:42:33.278 --> 00:42:34.238
God's commands.

00:42:34.508 --> 00:42:35.348
And God's teaching.

00:42:35.558 --> 00:42:36.158
And so.

00:42:37.358 --> 00:42:42.248
I also was probably about that age when
I really started taking that seriously.

00:42:42.638 --> 00:42:45.578
And you look at folks in
scripture who did it, even Peter.

00:42:46.718 --> 00:42:47.498
Peter was a.

00:42:48.848 --> 00:42:50.708
You know, the Peter we hear most about.

00:42:50.738 --> 00:42:52.148
I was kind of a.

00:42:52.611 --> 00:42:54.111
Wasn't afraid to say anything.

00:42:54.111 --> 00:42:57.381
Probably put his foot in his mouth
a lot, but there was a time where

00:42:57.381 --> 00:43:01.761
Peter just put his head down and
said, this was after Christ died.

00:43:02.241 --> 00:43:04.071
But on the cross for us, but.

00:43:05.181 --> 00:43:10.341
Learning scripture learning what that
meant to let the spirit live in him.

00:43:10.341 --> 00:43:10.521
And.

00:43:11.511 --> 00:43:15.651
And then the, the Peter that
came from that was a stud.

00:43:16.551 --> 00:43:17.691
For the, for the gospel.

00:43:18.741 --> 00:43:19.431
And so.

00:43:20.451 --> 00:43:22.191
If we want to be studs for the gospel.

00:43:23.211 --> 00:43:24.711
We got to learn.

00:43:25.281 --> 00:43:26.541
To spend time with the Lord.

00:43:27.141 --> 00:43:27.681
Daily.

00:43:28.251 --> 00:43:29.871
To spend time in prayer daily.

00:43:30.621 --> 00:43:35.511
Um, And then where whatever God's
given us as a platform, whether it's.

00:43:36.921 --> 00:43:39.441
Working for a company owning a company.

00:43:39.771 --> 00:43:40.251
Um,

00:43:41.017 --> 00:43:43.537
Being a good husband, being a father.

00:43:44.197 --> 00:43:48.817
You know, that's where we have the
opportunity to exercise those things.

00:43:49.897 --> 00:43:50.407
And.

00:43:51.097 --> 00:43:53.707
I've also found that
exercise and those things.

00:43:54.707 --> 00:43:56.737
I guess you'd say They're just.

00:43:57.847 --> 00:43:59.737
Getting in the messiness of life.

00:44:01.716 --> 00:44:03.396
I'm in the middle of a.

00:44:04.746 --> 00:44:05.766
Have a 20 week.

00:44:06.033 --> 00:44:07.653
make war discipleship group.

00:44:07.653 --> 00:44:07.893
And.

00:44:08.493 --> 00:44:11.703
Went through the class and now I'm
on the leadership side of it learning

00:44:11.703 --> 00:44:13.743
to, to help lead some of this stuff.

00:44:13.743 --> 00:44:13.983
And.

00:44:15.063 --> 00:44:15.663
You know, theirs.

00:44:16.443 --> 00:44:19.133
Plenty of other things that I
could be doing on a Monday night.

00:44:19.223 --> 00:44:22.223
And God's just impressed upon me that.

00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:24.460
Two hours on a Monday night.

00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:25.420
Too.

00:44:25.753 --> 00:44:27.553
Fight like Peter and Paul fault.

00:44:28.153 --> 00:44:30.673
To to know God more so that.

00:44:31.633 --> 00:44:35.833
When obstacles come, when
opportunities come that I can.

00:44:37.993 --> 00:44:39.103
Share Christ better.

00:44:39.853 --> 00:44:40.453
It's worth it.

00:44:41.743 --> 00:44:47.203
Um, But then also every morning
when I wake up or when you go

00:44:47.203 --> 00:44:48.523
to bed, whatever you choose.

00:44:50.323 --> 00:44:52.573
You know, just spending that
time and God's word and.

00:44:53.053 --> 00:44:56.113
Um, talking to the Lord
and listening to the Lord.

00:44:56.650 --> 00:45:00.670
And, and being in
relationship with Jesus is a.

00:45:01.196 --> 00:45:02.576
You can't fake it.

00:45:03.276 --> 00:45:04.296
you just got to do it.

00:45:04.806 --> 00:45:05.256
And.

00:45:07.146 --> 00:45:11.526
One of the more trying times of my
life happened this past November,

00:45:11.526 --> 00:45:15.246
when I went in to my doctor's
visit for a routine checkup.

00:45:15.726 --> 00:45:17.286
Had a little nod on my forehead.

00:45:19.596 --> 00:45:21.786
The doctor and I started
talking, he's a friend.

00:45:22.236 --> 00:45:22.656
Um,

00:45:24.186 --> 00:45:26.166
And he said, Hey, let's
just, x-ray that thing.

00:45:26.166 --> 00:45:27.666
And, you know, just see what it is.

00:45:27.666 --> 00:45:28.896
It's probably not the major.

00:45:29.886 --> 00:45:32.766
Um, I get a call about
two hours after I leave.

00:45:32.766 --> 00:45:35.646
And he says, Kyle, you got
a gross behind your score.

00:45:36.816 --> 00:45:39.786
And I don't know what
it is and I'm concerned.

00:45:42.546 --> 00:45:47.046
Did an MRI two hours later and they said,
man, you got a growth behind your school.

00:45:47.466 --> 00:45:49.026
And we don't know what it is.

00:45:49.146 --> 00:45:52.446
And now when he says behind your
score, does he mean between the.

00:45:53.886 --> 00:45:55.146
Bone and your brain.

00:45:55.206 --> 00:45:56.796
No behind the school.

00:45:57.306 --> 00:46:01.866
Touching your brain, but not intertwined
in my brain is what it ultimately was.

00:46:01.866 --> 00:46:02.646
So, wow.

00:46:03.546 --> 00:46:06.876
Then they started calling it a tumor
and then they started calling it.

00:46:07.176 --> 00:46:10.405
You know, I don't know what
it is,  I finally meet with

00:46:10.405 --> 00:46:13.345
the surgeon and this is about.

00:46:13.735 --> 00:46:15.145
two and a half weeks after.

00:46:15.482 --> 00:46:18.302
I was told I had a tumor behind my school.

00:46:18.662 --> 00:46:19.322
And, uh,

00:46:20.912 --> 00:46:25.202
Two and a half weeks was, was one of the
more trying times in my life because I.

00:46:26.312 --> 00:46:28.532
I just didn't know, uh, you know, And.

00:46:30.212 --> 00:46:33.182
I mentally was Satan was winning.

00:46:33.512 --> 00:46:37.622
Um, I reached out to, to one of the.

00:46:38.132 --> 00:46:39.302
The gentleman who is.

00:46:40.202 --> 00:46:42.062
Leading one of my discipleship groups.

00:46:42.872 --> 00:46:44.102
I said that I'm scared, man.

00:46:44.102 --> 00:46:45.962
I don't know what is going on.

00:46:46.202 --> 00:46:48.752
I don't feel bad, but they
tell me I got this growth.

00:46:49.922 --> 00:46:51.512
Really close to my brain and.

00:46:52.372 --> 00:46:52.942
So.

00:46:53.268 --> 00:46:55.188
He said, I'm going to send
you some scripture and I want

00:46:55.218 --> 00:46:56.478
you to read these out daily.

00:46:57.738 --> 00:46:59.538
Out loud to yourself.

00:46:59.988 --> 00:47:00.408
Um,

00:47:02.088 --> 00:47:03.258
And so I just.

00:47:03.828 --> 00:47:04.968
There were bouts.

00:47:05.628 --> 00:47:07.608
Of doubt, there were abouts of, uh,

00:47:10.218 --> 00:47:12.348
Just being scared to be quite honest.

00:47:12.798 --> 00:47:13.248
No.

00:47:13.248 --> 00:47:15.558
It's asking God, what in
the world are you doing?

00:47:17.298 --> 00:47:17.718
Um,

00:47:19.308 --> 00:47:19.938
And so.

00:47:21.048 --> 00:47:25.188
Lotta a lot of, uh,
Prayer, a lot of tears.

00:47:25.248 --> 00:47:26.748
I'm not life because neither one.

00:47:27.138 --> 00:47:27.798
Understood.

00:47:28.608 --> 00:47:35.138
What was going on and, um, But I want
to read this verbatim If I can find it.

00:47:35.498 --> 00:47:36.098
The scripture.

00:47:36.638 --> 00:47:40.808
Yes cause it was this guy's
name's Jared Henkel, And he's

00:47:40.838 --> 00:47:42.788
uh, he's one of those guys that.

00:47:44.318 --> 00:47:44.978
Or certainly.

00:47:45.728 --> 00:47:46.448
Stud.

00:47:47.318 --> 00:47:48.818
When it comes to the gospel.

00:47:49.358 --> 00:47:50.588
Hang with me for a second here.

00:47:50.768 --> 00:47:51.548
Yeah, that's right.

00:47:55.752 --> 00:47:58.482
I haven't found this
scripture that, but ultimately

00:47:58.902 --> 00:47:58.932
I

00:47:59.545 --> 00:48:01.705
was just confirming that,
you know, God's sovereign.

00:48:02.185 --> 00:48:02.905
And, um,

00:48:04.915 --> 00:48:08.695
He wants you to understand he's
sovereign and he wants you to trust him.

00:48:08.695 --> 00:48:10.135
And, um,

00:48:12.415 --> 00:48:16.075
That, that sounds really good until
you've got the, the lesion in your head.

00:48:16.435 --> 00:48:18.445
It turns out it's just
going to be a lesion.

00:48:19.585 --> 00:48:22.405
But, um, but for tonight, Yeah.

00:48:22.495 --> 00:48:23.365
For two and a half weeks.

00:48:23.365 --> 00:48:26.245
And then even after that, you
know, as they were telling me that.

00:48:27.625 --> 00:48:28.945
The signs were.

00:48:29.965 --> 00:48:31.885
You know, good in my favor.

00:48:32.275 --> 00:48:34.015
I, you know, you still don't know.

00:48:35.565 --> 00:48:42.005
And, uh, So, these are my words.

00:48:42.005 --> 00:48:43.865
I said, Jared, I said,
I'm scared, brother.

00:48:43.865 --> 00:48:45.665
I just need to confess that to somebody.

00:48:46.715 --> 00:48:48.305
He said, let me look up some scripts.

00:48:49.025 --> 00:48:50.435
Reflect and meditate on.

00:48:51.725 --> 00:48:56.165
And he sent me about 10 and we
know that all things work together

00:48:56.285 --> 00:48:58.025
for good to those who love God.

00:48:58.025 --> 00:48:58.595
Today's.

00:48:59.315 --> 00:49:01.175
Who are called according to his purpose.

00:49:01.595 --> 00:49:02.795
For whom he foreknew you.

00:49:03.425 --> 00:49:06.275
He also predestined to be
conformed to the image of the sun.

00:49:06.425 --> 00:49:08.285
He said I would encourage you greatly.

00:49:08.705 --> 00:49:10.565
To read these passages out loud.

00:49:10.595 --> 00:49:11.855
Let the enemy hear you.

00:49:12.755 --> 00:49:14.705
Proclaimed these promises of God.

00:49:15.035 --> 00:49:16.805
I realize say it loudly.

00:49:17.525 --> 00:49:18.665
Say it would belief.

00:49:19.115 --> 00:49:20.375
Say it with assurance.

00:49:24.065 --> 00:49:27.605
And then he, he said, He
sent this scripture to second

00:49:27.665 --> 00:49:29.105
Thessalonians three 16.

00:49:30.485 --> 00:49:32.465
Now may the Lord of peace
himself, give you peace.

00:49:32.465 --> 00:49:33.185
Always.

00:49:33.755 --> 00:49:36.095
And every way the Lord be with you.

00:49:36.635 --> 00:49:39.335
Cashier burdens on the Lord
and he shall sustain you.

00:49:40.385 --> 00:49:40.805
Um,

00:49:43.025 --> 00:49:44.435
Should I send a load with all your heart.

00:49:44.645 --> 00:49:48.095
You know, things that we
had, we've all heard in.

00:49:49.085 --> 00:49:51.715
But at that moment, You know,

00:49:52.312 --> 00:49:54.492
My only hope was found in Jesus.

00:49:54.762 --> 00:49:55.242
And.

00:49:56.952 --> 00:49:58.602
Trusting his promises.

00:49:59.202 --> 00:50:00.672
Trusting the sovereignty.

00:50:01.572 --> 00:50:05.412
And realizing that if,
if this was going to be.

00:50:06.102 --> 00:50:07.902
A much bigger battle than.

00:50:08.235 --> 00:50:13.859
he'd be with me  It turns out that
five weeks later I'm in surgery, they.

00:50:15.209 --> 00:50:17.909
They cut a quarter size out of my school.

00:50:18.149 --> 00:50:22.689
Um, they pull out this mass was
turned out to be Coagulated blood

00:50:22.689 --> 00:50:24.639
vessels that started kind of growing.

00:50:25.029 --> 00:50:28.209
Away from my brain towards
my school, which couldn't

00:50:28.209 --> 00:50:29.619
have been a better situation.

00:50:30.549 --> 00:50:33.009
Put medical statement back in there and.

00:50:33.621 --> 00:50:35.151
the next day I walked out.

00:50:36.291 --> 00:50:40.371
The hospital, the next, actually
the next I was there two nights.

00:50:41.241 --> 00:50:42.231
I actually know that was yeah.

00:50:42.261 --> 00:50:42.861
Two nights.

00:50:44.001 --> 00:50:46.161
Um, And I did.

00:50:46.341 --> 00:50:46.761
Two nights.

00:50:47.631 --> 00:50:52.041
Thing or the plan was we can biopsy
had been, you don't really just.

00:50:53.151 --> 00:50:55.431
Biopsy something next to the brain.

00:50:56.061 --> 00:50:58.881
It's still an invasive You
know, you have to get in there

00:50:58.911 --> 00:51:00.321
so that their thoughts were.

00:51:01.341 --> 00:51:02.631
Because it was.

00:51:03.771 --> 00:51:05.421
You know, three, four centimeters.

00:51:06.081 --> 00:51:06.951
At that time.

00:51:08.781 --> 00:51:11.361
Um, They would just go
ahead and remove it.

00:51:11.931 --> 00:51:12.831
And then biopsy it.

00:51:13.071 --> 00:51:13.371
Yeah.

00:51:13.491 --> 00:51:13.881
And.

00:51:14.661 --> 00:51:15.981
I think there was enough.

00:51:16.251 --> 00:51:17.901
I thought that it could be.

00:51:19.101 --> 00:51:20.181
Turn out to be okay.

00:51:20.181 --> 00:51:21.741
That they thought we had time to.

00:51:22.971 --> 00:51:23.451
So they.

00:51:24.651 --> 00:51:26.151
The Tuesday before Thanksgiving.

00:51:26.181 --> 00:51:27.261
I found out.

00:51:27.921 --> 00:51:28.911
December 11th.

00:51:28.911 --> 00:51:29.781
I had the surgery.

00:51:31.251 --> 00:51:33.411
Two days later, they
called me and told me that.

00:51:34.191 --> 00:51:37.761
It was diagnosed as a
humanity, Homer, which is.

00:51:38.541 --> 00:51:40.431
Just blood vessels, that coagulate.

00:51:40.551 --> 00:51:43.221
And a lot of times they
don't even mess with them.

00:51:43.671 --> 00:51:46.851
If they know what it is,
but because of where it was.

00:51:47.691 --> 00:51:50.121
You can't really boss biopsy
something behind your school

00:51:50.181 --> 00:51:51.921
without going out of your school.

00:51:51.981 --> 00:51:55.791
You know, But this thing
was pushing hard now.

00:51:56.391 --> 00:51:59.001
It was right here in it.

00:51:59.901 --> 00:52:00.621
It was about.

00:52:01.761 --> 00:52:02.301
That big.

00:52:02.811 --> 00:52:03.981
And so you could see it.

00:52:03.981 --> 00:52:04.371
If you.

00:52:05.091 --> 00:52:08.631
You probably wouldn't notice it
unless I showed you, but she could see

00:52:08.631 --> 00:52:10.161
those a little knot on my forehead.

00:52:11.151 --> 00:52:12.261
And, uh, wow.

00:52:12.771 --> 00:52:15.291
So it J it just rocked my world because.

00:52:16.491 --> 00:52:20.721
And I know I like to eat sweets, but
fairly healthy in the whole scheme

00:52:20.721 --> 00:52:23.391
of things and still fairly active.

00:52:23.721 --> 00:52:29.211
Um, Had just gotten through with
the eight week course and make war.

00:52:30.321 --> 00:52:32.682
The discipleship
program    I think it was.

00:52:32.886 --> 00:52:34.326
Certainly a time for me to.

00:52:34.429 --> 00:52:36.109
Put my money where my mouth was.

00:52:36.226 --> 00:52:36.886
In my face.

00:52:37.182 --> 00:52:38.592
and so God was certainly.

00:52:38.748 --> 00:52:40.098
Showed himself to be enough.

00:52:40.270 --> 00:52:43.270
A lot of people prayed a lot of people.

00:52:43.434 --> 00:52:46.434
You know, comforted me,
tried to comfort me.

00:52:46.650 --> 00:52:48.420
You know, my brother Ben was there.

00:52:48.567 --> 00:52:49.587
Uh, my nephew.

00:52:49.724 --> 00:52:51.554
Steven who I call Bubba.

00:52:51.794 --> 00:52:53.444
I was checking on a constantly.

00:52:53.474 --> 00:52:55.784
My guys at work were
constantly checking on me.

00:52:56.024 --> 00:52:59.774
And Jared made it intentional
to, to go through it with me.

00:53:00.044 --> 00:53:01.227
Um, Which.

00:53:01.737 --> 00:53:05.397
Man, if you're ever going through
something tough and you got somebody

00:53:05.397 --> 00:53:06.597
that says I'm here with you.

00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:08.320
And it is special.

00:53:08.633 --> 00:53:08.963
Yeah, man.

00:53:09.080 --> 00:53:10.130
So it sounds like you.

00:53:10.283 --> 00:53:11.873
Got a lot closer to the Lord.

00:53:12.263 --> 00:53:12.653
Yeah.

00:53:12.893 --> 00:53:15.893
I told him and I told God during
that time, I was like, man.

00:53:16.943 --> 00:53:17.123
Yeah.

00:53:17.153 --> 00:53:20.393
If you'll just help me get through this, I
promise you I'll tell the world about it.

00:53:21.563 --> 00:53:26.453
And, uh, this is, this was probably one of
the biggest reasons I wanted to share is.

00:53:27.593 --> 00:53:28.163
Because.

00:53:28.943 --> 00:53:29.843
I told him I would.

00:53:31.613 --> 00:53:35.573
And a man guy's been
faithful in my life and.

00:53:37.253 --> 00:53:37.823
I, uh,

00:53:40.373 --> 00:53:42.683
There's so much that's aligned in my life.

00:53:42.713 --> 00:53:43.373
That would.

00:53:43.973 --> 00:53:48.353
There's no, there's no other reason it
would have without God's faithfulness.

00:53:49.943 --> 00:53:50.573
Um, so.

00:53:51.413 --> 00:53:51.713
Thank you.

00:53:51.713 --> 00:53:52.223
Jesus.

00:53:53.490 --> 00:53:55.110
So there's a lot of people.

00:53:55.602 --> 00:53:59.463
Christians and non-Christians  I
Go through these health issues and.

00:54:00.393 --> 00:54:02.643
Come up against the unknown.

00:54:02.913 --> 00:54:03.513
Diagnosed.

00:54:03.603 --> 00:54:05.433
But pre diagnosis, I would say.

00:54:06.483 --> 00:54:09.633
And that period of time is, is, is scary.

00:54:10.186 --> 00:54:11.806
When you don't know what's going on.

00:54:12.127 --> 00:54:12.337
so

00:54:12.387 --> 00:54:13.617
What was the thing that

00:54:13.950 --> 00:54:14.910
Gave you the no.

00:54:14.910 --> 00:54:16.410
You know, I think about that.

00:54:16.410 --> 00:54:20.250
And I don't know, cause there
was paralyzing moments where.

00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:24.360
You know, I could really
do is go sob in a corner.

00:54:25.110 --> 00:54:26.310
Thinking about it, but.

00:54:27.390 --> 00:54:27.780
Um,

00:54:30.390 --> 00:54:34.440
You know, what I do know is
that when I was sobbing, I

00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.161
was talking to Jesus about it.

00:54:36.671 --> 00:54:38.591
And, um, So.

00:54:39.881 --> 00:54:41.171
Was it easy?

00:54:41.171 --> 00:54:42.751
Was it a walk in the park?

00:54:43.435 --> 00:54:43.915
No.

00:54:44.926 --> 00:54:48.546
Is that what faith does,
where you  know,  this.

00:54:48.906 --> 00:54:50.346
This fate take away pain.

00:54:51.143 --> 00:54:51.383
No.

00:54:52.553 --> 00:54:54.263
There's God promised they'll be no pain.

00:54:54.263 --> 00:54:54.653
No.

00:54:55.972 --> 00:54:56.632
He promises.

00:54:56.692 --> 00:55:01.927
The walk through with us  and, you know,
we've got family members and friends right

00:55:01.927 --> 00:55:03.667
now going through some tough stuff and.

00:55:04.837 --> 00:55:07.507
You know, I want them to know I'm
with them, but more importantly,

00:55:07.507 --> 00:55:08.647
I want them to know that.

00:55:09.767 --> 00:55:13.757
if they're followers of Jesus and
have a personal relationship with him.

00:55:14.627 --> 00:55:15.407
He's there with them.

00:55:16.337 --> 00:55:16.757
And.

00:55:17.897 --> 00:55:20.447
If we're really serious
about this eternity thing.

00:55:22.667 --> 00:55:26.627
And I kinda went face to face
with it, as in my thoughts,

00:55:26.687 --> 00:55:28.457
unfortunately, my situation.

00:55:29.207 --> 00:55:33.527
Was not terminal and turned out
to be best case scenario, but.

00:55:33.949 --> 00:55:34.699
We're going to spit.

00:55:35.089 --> 00:55:37.219
A ton more time and eternity than we are.

00:55:37.699 --> 00:55:38.389
On this earth.

00:55:38.899 --> 00:55:39.259
And.

00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.889
It's hard to process that
from, from this seat today.

00:55:44.232 --> 00:55:44.622
But.

00:55:44.900 --> 00:55:46.190
I'm P I'm banking.

00:55:46.615 --> 00:55:48.445
Um, Jesus being there.

00:55:48.547 --> 00:55:48.997
Okay.

00:55:49.633 --> 00:55:51.043
And I'm banking on being with him.

00:55:51.823 --> 00:55:54.493
Because of what I seen
him do in my life today.

00:55:54.823 --> 00:55:55.123
And.

00:55:56.353 --> 00:55:59.893
What he'll do moving forward that
that's where I'm going to put my faith.

00:56:01.123 --> 00:56:01.783
And, uh,

00:56:03.343 --> 00:56:05.083
I hope others around me will as well.

00:56:05.383 --> 00:56:08.143
I see enough in my life to
where they want to do that.

00:56:08.953 --> 00:56:09.433
But.

00:56:11.533 --> 00:56:13.843
You know, that's my calling
is to share the gospel.

00:56:14.203 --> 00:56:14.623
And.

00:56:15.583 --> 00:56:18.103
You know, To, to share
it with the urgency.

00:56:18.943 --> 00:56:22.753
To live it so that what I
say, and my actions match up.

00:56:23.469 --> 00:56:25.389
You know, I'm not called to save people.

00:56:25.629 --> 00:56:27.579
Because I couldn't get my own strength.

00:56:28.269 --> 00:56:29.727
But I don't know where else she turned.

00:56:30.987 --> 00:56:32.577
If you're in those situations, when.

00:56:34.347 --> 00:56:36.677
It makes Hopeless situations.

00:56:37.577 --> 00:56:38.567
Extremely helpless.

00:56:39.917 --> 00:56:40.547
You know, so.

00:56:41.837 --> 00:56:42.137
Um,

00:56:44.177 --> 00:56:45.767
I want to be an overcomer.

00:56:46.007 --> 00:56:47.597
You know, I'm a coward at times.

00:56:48.827 --> 00:56:50.747
I struggle with faith at times.

00:56:51.257 --> 00:56:51.647
Um,

00:56:53.627 --> 00:56:56.327
But I think Jesus wants us to
be overcomers and that's all I

00:56:56.327 --> 00:56:58.097
could think of in that moment is.

00:56:59.597 --> 00:56:59.897
Yeah.

00:57:01.337 --> 00:57:02.777
You're going to get me
through this somehow.

00:57:02.897 --> 00:57:03.167
Lord.

00:57:04.307 --> 00:57:06.437
And when Satan rared his head and.

00:57:07.337 --> 00:57:08.717
And my wife was huge.

00:57:08.747 --> 00:57:09.407
This.

00:57:09.677 --> 00:57:12.977
You know, she's like, Yeah,
let's talk about facts.

00:57:13.007 --> 00:57:13.637
What do we know?

00:57:13.907 --> 00:57:17.907
You know, And what are
God's promises to us?

00:57:19.557 --> 00:57:22.857
That's not take it somewhere that,
you know, we don't have to take it.

00:57:23.427 --> 00:57:26.847
So having people around you
encouraging you is, is huge.

00:57:26.847 --> 00:57:29.277
And my wife's was certainly
that Jared was that.

00:57:30.117 --> 00:57:31.857
My team here at ESS was that.

00:57:33.987 --> 00:57:34.257
Yeah.

00:57:36.537 --> 00:57:38.037
That's a great experience.

00:57:38.307 --> 00:57:39.477
Thank you for sharing that.

00:57:39.477 --> 00:57:41.607
I know there's people needed to hear that.

00:57:44.097 --> 00:57:45.147
Well, uh,

00:57:46.647 --> 00:57:50.277
I'm sure we could go on and on, Is
there anything else you want to share?

00:57:50.650 --> 00:57:52.487
Please do  otherwise.

00:57:52.967 --> 00:57:53.807
I'd like for you to.

00:57:54.627 --> 00:57:56.713
pray for people out there who  made.

00:57:57.223 --> 00:57:58.183
She ain't getting that.

00:57:58.483 --> 00:58:00.193
Just gotten a diagnosis.

00:58:00.223 --> 00:58:01.363
That's really scary.

00:58:02.323 --> 00:58:04.183
Or somebody who's struggling with.

00:58:04.268 --> 00:58:04.928
Their faith.

00:58:05.828 --> 00:58:06.608
Yeah, let's pray.

00:58:07.988 --> 00:58:10.111
father, you are Everything we need.

00:58:10.711 --> 00:58:11.101
Um,

00:58:14.041 --> 00:58:14.491
Father.

00:58:14.491 --> 00:58:15.421
I know that.

00:58:16.741 --> 00:58:18.091
Uh, what you've done in my life.

00:58:18.091 --> 00:58:20.611
And, and then I know what
you've done in Jesse's life.

00:58:20.641 --> 00:58:20.791
And.

00:58:22.681 --> 00:58:26.911
Father we're undeserving, but, uh,
because of the cross and because of

00:58:26.971 --> 00:58:31.771
what Jesus did for us, um, Um, you
tell us in your scripture that you

00:58:31.771 --> 00:58:33.781
see us as perfect and you love us.

00:58:34.171 --> 00:58:36.331
You know, understanding that you love.

00:58:37.351 --> 00:58:40.951
Centers who fell is, is
a hard concept at times.

00:58:41.701 --> 00:58:42.301
And, um,

00:58:45.031 --> 00:58:46.771
Father, but she loves us so much.

00:58:46.801 --> 00:58:51.421
And you did too much for us by sending
Jesus to the cross, to, for us to think.

00:58:51.901 --> 00:58:53.011
You don't love us.

00:58:55.081 --> 00:58:59.101
So, uh, the hurting people around
us who were in the middle of their.

00:58:59.521 --> 00:59:00.421
Their trials.

00:59:00.631 --> 00:59:01.021
Um,

00:59:02.701 --> 00:59:06.451
You know, I implore them
to look to look to Jesus.

00:59:07.171 --> 00:59:09.301
Um, pour them to lean on their faith.

00:59:10.021 --> 00:59:13.021
Um, implored them to, to tell
you about it, to tell you where

00:59:13.021 --> 00:59:14.431
their fears are to tell you.

00:59:15.001 --> 00:59:18.511
Um, where they're struggling
and then to be ready to listen.

00:59:20.311 --> 00:59:24.271
Um, So many characters in the Bible
and we don't claim to be those

00:59:24.271 --> 00:59:29.701
characters, but we want to, to see,
you know, how they managed struggle.

00:59:30.181 --> 00:59:32.041
And how faithful you are to them.

00:59:32.041 --> 00:59:36.151
And so many of those characters
were just honest with you.

00:59:37.201 --> 00:59:38.551
And they told you what they were thinking.

00:59:39.021 --> 00:59:39.351
Father.

00:59:39.891 --> 00:59:40.821
They talk to you.

00:59:43.341 --> 00:59:46.791
And the biggest part of prayer
is, is talking and listening.

00:59:47.391 --> 00:59:47.961
And so.

00:59:49.731 --> 00:59:53.555
Father when we struggle, we just
have to talk to you and lay it at

00:59:53.555 --> 00:59:55.355
the foot of the cross father and a.

00:59:55.985 --> 00:59:56.795
At your feet.

00:59:57.275 --> 00:59:57.845
And so.

00:59:58.625 --> 01:00:02.885
I encourage folks who are struggling, uh,
you know, you tell us to count it all joy.

01:00:03.785 --> 01:00:05.945
Um, that's easier said than done.

01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:08.349
The father.

01:00:08.709 --> 01:00:11.019
I know that when we're hurting.

01:00:11.709 --> 01:00:12.969
And when we come to you.

01:00:13.449 --> 01:00:14.589
You're there as our comfort.

01:00:15.279 --> 01:00:16.449
Your layers are peace.

01:00:17.589 --> 01:00:20.949
And I know what, because you
promise it in your scripture and

01:00:20.949 --> 01:00:22.029
then because of what you done.

01:00:22.359 --> 01:00:23.619
You have done in my life.

01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:27.159
So father, thank you for this time.

01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:31.479
Thank you for Jesse's vision and got
to know his ultimate goal was to.

01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:35.259
To point people to you through
these conversations and.

01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:39.369
If a guy like me can say anything.

01:00:39.879 --> 01:00:40.809
Um, it's that?

01:00:42.919 --> 01:00:46.719
my relationship with you And growing
that relationship is the most important

01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.159
thing I'll ever do in this life.

01:00:50.529 --> 01:00:53.409
And then guide you very
clearly tell us to love people.

01:00:54.099 --> 01:00:56.619
Along the way to love them
enough to tell them about.

01:00:56.905 --> 01:00:59.125
you and what you did for us on the cross.

01:00:59.125 --> 01:00:59.425
So.

01:01:00.415 --> 01:01:01.795
Thank you for that cross.

01:01:03.275 --> 01:01:06.435
And then, The fact that you,
you rose again and you're a

01:01:06.435 --> 01:01:08.475
living God who lives in us.

01:01:09.075 --> 01:01:11.565
And that we can lean on
in times of struggle.

01:01:12.465 --> 01:01:15.945
It's certainly been evident
in my life in the last year.

01:01:16.862 --> 01:01:17.552
We love you.

01:01:18.242 --> 01:01:19.472
I have a forest Cletus.

01:01:20.582 --> 01:01:23.192
Thank you for the blessings in
our lives and your precious name.

01:01:23.192 --> 01:01:23.582
We pray.

01:01:24.122 --> 01:01:24.392
Amen.

01:01:25.352 --> 01:01:25.952
Hey, Matt.

01:01:30.622 --> 01:01:32.822
We hope you've been
blessed by today's story.

01:01:33.242 --> 01:01:37.432
if you've heard something that you think
could help someone you know, please share

01:01:37.432 --> 01:01:39.262
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01:01:40.092 --> 01:01:44.442
Also, if you will give Faith and Purpose a
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01:01:44.892 --> 01:01:46.532
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01:01:47.142 --> 01:01:51.207
You will probably never know how
that small effort can make a big

01:01:51.207 --> 01:01:54.757
difference in someone's life,
but our Heavenly Father knows.

01:01:55.257 --> 01:02:00.057
Speaking of sharing, if you know a Jesus
follower with a story to tell, please send

01:02:00.057 --> 01:02:01.987
them a link to Faith and Purpose Podcast.

01:02:02.957 --> 01:02:05.117
It may encourage them to tell their story.

01:02:05.517 --> 01:02:07.117
That person may even be you.

01:02:07.587 --> 01:02:10.717
Our only criteria is
that Jesus be glorified.

01:02:11.487 --> 01:02:16.257
No one has a story like yours, and you
may be the only one who can reach someone

01:02:16.257 --> 01:02:18.037
else through telling your experience.

01:02:18.607 --> 01:02:19.977
So don't be intimidated.

01:02:20.307 --> 01:02:25.727
A story is just that, a true account
of your own experience, and no one

01:02:25.737 --> 01:02:27.677
can disagree with your experience.

01:02:28.632 --> 01:02:32.812
When we tell what Jesus has done in
our lives, we are being obedient to his

01:02:32.812 --> 01:02:37.032
command to go into all the world and
preach the gospel to every creature.

01:02:37.432 --> 01:02:41.282
It's not about theology, and it's not
about how interesting or special you are.

01:02:41.622 --> 01:02:43.282
It's all about Jesus.

01:02:44.062 --> 01:02:48.772
So when you're ready to tell how Jesus
has impacted your life, you can let Jesse

01:02:48.772 --> 01:02:51.892
know at his ministry website, jesseduke.

01:02:51.912 --> 01:02:52.172
net.

01:02:52.802 --> 01:02:55.982
There you can download guidelines
that will make it easy to

01:02:55.982 --> 01:02:57.442
prepare to tell your story.

01:02:58.062 --> 01:03:00.502
Thank you for listening today and Shalom.