WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.170 --> 00:00:05.560 Welcome to The Chemical Show, the podcast where chemical means business. 00:00:05.930 --> 00:00:09.710 I'm your host, Victoria Meyer, bringing you stories and insights 00:00:09.710 --> 00:00:13.620 from leaders, driving innovation and growth across the chemical industry. 00:00:14.529 --> 00:00:18.830 Each week, we explore key trends, real world challenges, and the 00:00:18.830 --> 00:00:20.580 strategies that make an impact. 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:21.959 Let's get started. 00:00:23.203 --> 00:00:27.353 VictoriaM: Welcome back excited to have this conversation today with some 00:00:27.363 --> 00:00:32.903 really great leaders As we get started though a couple of announcements So 00:00:32.923 --> 00:00:38.123 in honor of International Women's Day and Women's History Month in March, we 00:00:38.123 --> 00:00:42.458 are featuring interviews with female executives throughout the month of March. 00:00:42.458 --> 00:00:43.358 So stay tuned. 00:00:43.388 --> 00:00:47.088 You're going to hear a lot of great stories and insights from 00:00:47.118 --> 00:00:48.868 women across the chemical industry. 00:00:49.108 --> 00:00:50.638 And you definitely want to tune in. 00:00:50.938 --> 00:00:54.038 Um, the second piece is of course, if you are new to The Chemical Show, 00:00:54.038 --> 00:00:57.648 follow us on LinkedIn, subscribe on your favorite podcast player. 00:00:57.988 --> 00:01:00.968 Um, and then the third piece is mark your calendar for our next Chemical 00:01:00.968 --> 00:01:02.308 Show live, which will be held on 00:01:02.513 --> 00:01:05.693 April 9th, uh, details will be forthcoming. 00:01:06.013 --> 00:01:07.833 So let's get started. 00:01:07.913 --> 00:01:13.453 I am super excited to welcome some really amazing women to The Chemical Show today. 00:01:13.453 --> 00:01:19.213 So we have Kristin Mays Corbitt, who is the president and CEO of Mays Chemical, 00:01:19.553 --> 00:01:21.803 um, which is now a Ravago company. 00:01:21.803 --> 00:01:24.343 And I think Kristin might share a little bit of that story with us. 00:01:24.773 --> 00:01:29.813 Uh, Angie Griffin, who is Chief Commercial Officer for Third Coast 00:01:30.163 --> 00:01:34.603 and then Emelia Nosser, who is Chief Procurement Officer for Pactiv Evergreen. 00:01:34.933 --> 00:01:38.783 I just really thought it's a great chance to share some insights, share 00:01:38.783 --> 00:01:42.593 some stories about how these ladies got to the positions that they are. 00:01:42.593 --> 00:01:44.633 And as we're calling it, it's the Road to the C Suite. 00:01:44.943 --> 00:01:47.433 If you guys are a basketball fan, right, we are in. 00:01:47.728 --> 00:01:49.228 March Madness is approaching. 00:01:49.228 --> 00:01:50.778 So it's the Road to the final four. 00:01:50.778 --> 00:01:54.518 Well, this is the Road to the C-Suite, um, which may be harder 00:01:54.768 --> 00:01:56.178 than the Road to the Final Four. 00:01:56.178 --> 00:01:57.558 So I don't know. 00:01:57.868 --> 00:01:58.228 We'll see. 00:01:58.568 --> 00:02:00.568 Anyway, um, let's go ahead and get started. 00:02:00.608 --> 00:02:04.598 I love to start all of our conversations with origin stories. 00:02:04.948 --> 00:02:07.368 So, you know, tell us a little bit about yourself. 00:02:07.428 --> 00:02:10.568 What got you interested in the industry? 00:02:10.878 --> 00:02:12.868 Um, and how you got to where you are today. 00:02:13.128 --> 00:02:14.268 I'm going to start with Emelia. 00:02:14.318 --> 00:02:14.788 Emelia: Okay. 00:02:15.158 --> 00:02:17.328 Uh, so hi to everybody. 00:02:17.828 --> 00:02:22.468 Um, I didn't get in the industry deliberately, so I kind of fell into it. 00:02:22.588 --> 00:02:26.473 I got a temp role at, um, What was called Lever Brothers at 00:02:26.473 --> 00:02:28.003 the time, which is now Unilever. 00:02:28.413 --> 00:02:33.203 And, um, they put me in purchasing to buy, uh, aroma chemicals to make fragrances 00:02:33.203 --> 00:02:35.253 with, and I fell in love with it. 00:02:35.493 --> 00:02:39.593 So for me, being able to work for a company that you make something, you can 00:02:39.593 --> 00:02:41.283 see it as tangible, you can touch it. 00:02:41.283 --> 00:02:43.173 It's in a store, it's in people's homes. 00:02:43.713 --> 00:02:46.123 Um, it contributes to their life in some way. 00:02:47.288 --> 00:02:47.798 I like that. 00:02:47.848 --> 00:02:50.088 I like being able to tell people, you know, they say, what do you do? 00:02:50.088 --> 00:02:53.078 And I go, ah, you know, we make the, we make the paper for Starbucks cups. 00:02:53.078 --> 00:02:55.788 Like it's, it just seems more real to me. 00:02:55.898 --> 00:02:58.258 Um, and so that's how I got into it. 00:02:58.268 --> 00:03:01.938 And I've been in it for over 35 years and, and I've never felt the need to leave. 00:03:01.938 --> 00:03:02.298 I love it. 00:03:02.998 --> 00:03:03.318 VictoriaM: Awesome. 00:03:04.298 --> 00:03:04.718 Thanks for that. 00:03:04.778 --> 00:03:05.763 Angie, how about you? 00:03:06.633 --> 00:03:09.373 Angie: Well, honestly, it was out of a bit of desperation. 00:03:09.393 --> 00:03:14.593 So, um, I have a degree in English, and after I graduated and didn't have 00:03:14.593 --> 00:03:18.123 any marketable skills, I doubled down and got a master's degree in English, 00:03:18.593 --> 00:03:21.823 um, and then I graduated from there and still had no marketable skills. 00:03:22.193 --> 00:03:27.153 But fortunately, it was about the same time Equistar was forming in Houston. 00:03:27.153 --> 00:03:31.653 I was living in Florida, but my uncle was, um, an employee at what they 00:03:31.653 --> 00:03:35.653 call, excuse me, Little Lyondell, which was, the old polymer business 00:03:35.673 --> 00:03:38.633 and he was peddling polypropylene for the carpet fiber business. 00:03:39.073 --> 00:03:42.143 Um, and they were looking for people to fill out their supply 00:03:42.143 --> 00:03:44.483 chain base at Equistar in Houston. 00:03:44.483 --> 00:03:47.883 They were trying to move people from Cincinnati, which people from Cincinnati 00:03:47.883 --> 00:03:49.443 weren't really willing to move to Houston. 00:03:49.443 --> 00:03:52.733 And he told me they were looking for customer service reps and the 00:03:52.733 --> 00:03:54.933 pay was, I think, 30, 000 a year. 00:03:54.933 --> 00:03:55.813 And there was insurance. 00:03:55.869 --> 00:03:59.778 As an English major, I never thought I'd make 30, 000 a 00:03:59.778 --> 00:04:01.328 year or have medical insurance. 00:04:01.338 --> 00:04:05.338 So I hopped at the chance and moved to Houston and I thought it'd be temporary. 00:04:06.138 --> 00:04:09.008 Knew nothing about petrochemicals, knew nothing about the industry. 00:04:09.388 --> 00:04:13.268 Um, but, but like Emelia fell in love with, with the, the, 00:04:13.358 --> 00:04:14.938 the company, with the industry. 00:04:15.288 --> 00:04:15.948 Um, I think. 00:04:16.303 --> 00:04:17.653 for the majority of the population. 00:04:17.653 --> 00:04:21.073 They have no clue how the things that they consume and use on a 00:04:21.073 --> 00:04:22.783 daily basis get in front of them. 00:04:22.793 --> 00:04:25.123 Um, it's a fascinating industry to be in. 00:04:25.123 --> 00:04:28.123 So, um, fell in love with that, fell in love with Houston, fell in love with 00:04:28.133 --> 00:04:30.353 Tex Mex and, um, haven't gone back. 00:04:30.753 --> 00:04:31.273 And, and 00:04:31.273 --> 00:04:32.413 VictoriaM: you left Lyondell. 00:04:32.413 --> 00:04:33.343 You're now at Third Coast. 00:04:33.343 --> 00:04:34.183 When did that happen? 00:04:34.698 --> 00:04:39.238 Angie: Um, in 2013, so midway through, uh, what, where I am today, about 00:04:39.248 --> 00:04:40.558 halfway through the career so far. 00:04:40.852 --> 00:04:41.168 VictoriaM: Awesome. 00:04:41.418 --> 00:04:43.818 And, and by the way, your story about, you know, like you 00:04:43.818 --> 00:04:48.168 came to Houston temporarily, that is like everyone's story. 00:04:48.508 --> 00:04:52.298 I, I had an event last night and people were making some intros and 00:04:52.658 --> 00:04:55.698 everybody kind of collectively said, well, I moved here for five years. 00:04:56.063 --> 00:04:59.003 And then it's been, you know, 20 years or 25 years or in this 00:04:59.003 --> 00:05:00.363 one person's case, 50 years. 00:05:00.483 --> 00:05:02.983 So it's a hard place to leave. 00:05:02.993 --> 00:05:05.133 Angie: I think that's special because there are so many of us 00:05:05.133 --> 00:05:06.343 that didn't, you know, grow up here. 00:05:06.343 --> 00:05:07.263 There's a nice community. 00:05:07.263 --> 00:05:08.053 It's very diverse. 00:05:08.153 --> 00:05:08.393 Yeah. 00:05:08.793 --> 00:05:10.403 Lots of different backgrounds and experiences. 00:05:10.649 --> 00:05:11.133 VictoriaM: Very true. 00:05:11.213 --> 00:05:11.593 Awesome. 00:05:11.793 --> 00:05:12.523 Kristin, how about you? 00:05:12.523 --> 00:05:13.803 Tell us a little bit about yourself. 00:05:14.196 --> 00:05:14.433 Kristin: Yeah. 00:05:14.433 --> 00:05:18.143 So my story is probably a blend of Angie's and Emelia's. 00:05:18.163 --> 00:05:25.463 Um, I, I too was a, uh, temporary, um, employee at first. 00:05:25.473 --> 00:05:30.733 I, we had someone, um, at first I, it is a second generation owned. 00:05:30.743 --> 00:05:36.858 So, Um, as anybody who has been around family business knows, uh, you get tapped 00:05:36.888 --> 00:05:41.428 to work summers to work breaks right to do filing to do kind of the scut 00:05:41.438 --> 00:05:47.618 work, um, that, uh, nobody else really wants to do, but it's it's necessary. 00:05:47.628 --> 00:05:53.113 So I had spent, um, The better part of my teenage years, uh, working 00:05:53.123 --> 00:05:56.693 in the business, just doing filing, doing spreadsheets for accounting. 00:05:57.083 --> 00:06:01.583 Um, and one summer I actually learned the customer service role. 00:06:01.593 --> 00:06:02.573 So I would help out. 00:06:02.603 --> 00:06:05.663 I didn't learn the entire role, but just enough to be dangerous. 00:06:05.663 --> 00:06:08.713 I would help out placing orders, calling for invoices, 00:06:08.743 --> 00:06:10.403 checking the status of orders. 00:06:10.903 --> 00:06:17.913 And, um, so fast forward to my junior year in college, um, we had someone who 00:06:17.913 --> 00:06:22.453 went out very suddenly, uh, at the company in the customer service department, and 00:06:22.453 --> 00:06:24.383 she handled one of our major customers. 00:06:24.683 --> 00:06:28.563 At the time, my cousin was running the customer service department. 00:06:29.233 --> 00:06:32.263 Um, and she said, Hey, we're looking for somebody to hire. 00:06:32.703 --> 00:06:35.743 We have no idea how long this person is going to be out. 00:06:35.983 --> 00:06:40.613 Can you, uh, and we're not even really sure that we want to hire somebody else 00:06:40.623 --> 00:06:43.163 if her leave is going to be fairly short. 00:06:43.163 --> 00:06:45.303 Can you come fill in for a couple of weeks? 00:06:45.773 --> 00:06:48.473 Um, you know, maybe a month at the most. 00:06:48.473 --> 00:06:51.843 And that was January of, um, 1997. 00:06:55.393 --> 00:07:00.133 The long story short, the employee never came back and I am still 00:07:00.133 --> 00:07:02.253 here almost 30 years later. 00:07:02.303 --> 00:07:05.643 But I really gravitated towards the business. 00:07:05.643 --> 00:07:09.983 And here's where it resonates with what Emelia said, because, our 00:07:10.193 --> 00:07:15.258 primary focus at Uh, legacy Mays was food, pharma and personal care. 00:07:15.658 --> 00:07:21.738 And so it was really fascinating to me to be able to tell people, um, all right, 00:07:21.738 --> 00:07:26.238 we'll turn your cereal box over and all of those ingredients on your cereal box. 00:07:26.318 --> 00:07:30.798 They probably came from my warehouse in Indy or my warehouse in Detroit, which 00:07:30.798 --> 00:07:34.038 is close to Battle Creek at the time where they were manufacturing cereal. 00:07:34.318 --> 00:07:37.158 Or maybe my warehouse in, in, uh, New Jersey. 00:07:37.158 --> 00:07:39.268 So, um, that that's what I do. 00:07:39.268 --> 00:07:42.578 And that was the easiest way to explain, but it, you really do have a sense 00:07:42.578 --> 00:07:47.408 of pride when you, you are handling material that then goes into an end 00:07:47.408 --> 00:07:49.278 use product that, you know, you can. 00:07:49.358 --> 00:07:52.838 Direct people to or you can hold in your hand or you know, you you 00:07:52.838 --> 00:07:54.798 have in your cabinets every day. 00:07:55.118 --> 00:07:57.478 Um, and it's just it's really fulfilling. 00:07:57.478 --> 00:08:00.528 So, um, that's kind of a blend of the two. 00:08:00.528 --> 00:08:01.828 But I had no idea. 00:08:01.828 --> 00:08:02.838 I was still in college. 00:08:02.838 --> 00:08:03.758 I had no idea. 00:08:03.768 --> 00:08:05.998 Um, what I was going to do after college. 00:08:05.998 --> 00:08:09.138 I was a business major, um, by by trade. 00:08:09.138 --> 00:08:14.458 So, um, I really didn't have any chemical experience, but you didn't 00:08:14.458 --> 00:08:18.623 need it because it at the end of the day for what I What I did and where I 00:08:18.623 --> 00:08:20.423 started, it was just, it was business. 00:08:20.423 --> 00:08:24.663 It was buying at one cost and then marking it up and selling at another price. 00:08:24.673 --> 00:08:26.793 So that's how I got in the business. 00:08:26.921 --> 00:08:27.463 VictoriaM: That's awesome. 00:08:27.693 --> 00:08:28.703 And I think you're right. 00:08:28.703 --> 00:08:31.483 I think that's one of the pieces across the chemicals industry 00:08:31.483 --> 00:08:35.853 and the plastics industry is how tangible our products can be. 00:08:36.273 --> 00:08:39.643 Although most of the general public doesn't appreciate that, right? 00:08:39.643 --> 00:08:42.563 They, they look at it and they say, oh, I can't pronounce that word. 00:08:43.603 --> 00:08:44.013 Okay. 00:08:44.083 --> 00:08:45.933 I can't pronounce charcuterie. 00:08:46.118 --> 00:08:46.728 Barely. 00:08:46.798 --> 00:08:48.768 And yet I'm more than happy to participate. 00:08:49.038 --> 00:08:53.368 So, um, it's, you know, one of those interesting pieces on it. 00:08:53.398 --> 00:08:59.188 Um, so, you know, each of you started in a different place, um, and 00:08:59.188 --> 00:09:04.178 you've obviously been successfully climbing the ladder, so to speak. 00:09:04.518 --> 00:09:07.878 Um, but I'm sure at points that wasn't necessarily apparent 00:09:07.908 --> 00:09:09.058 that that would be true, right? 00:09:09.058 --> 00:09:11.658 I don't think any of us start in our career and think, I'm making 00:09:11.658 --> 00:09:16.853 it up to the top of the I'm not even sure I want to make it to the 00:09:16.853 --> 00:09:18.073 top of the pile sometimes, right? 00:09:18.083 --> 00:09:20.583 Sometimes you're just putting one foot in the front of another 00:09:20.583 --> 00:09:22.473 and, and trying to keep going. 00:09:22.843 --> 00:09:27.553 Um, were there any really pivotal or defining moments in your career that 00:09:27.583 --> 00:09:32.363 either, you know, one, maybe you doubt your path or two helped you secure your 00:09:32.363 --> 00:09:36.913 path and maybe helped you, you know, take the next step to get onto this path to 00:09:36.913 --> 00:09:40.053 the C suite, um, and made a difference. 00:09:40.383 --> 00:09:41.363 Angie, how about you? 00:09:41.473 --> 00:09:42.223 Let's start with you. 00:09:42.663 --> 00:09:44.433 Angie: Yeah, I wouldn't say on the downside. 00:09:44.433 --> 00:09:49.183 I, um, like you said, I didn't really have a, uh, a defined path. 00:09:49.183 --> 00:09:52.033 I think some people in our career and say, I'm going to do this and 00:09:52.243 --> 00:09:54.403 this is my next step and have a plan. 00:09:54.403 --> 00:09:55.363 And sometimes they work out. 00:09:55.363 --> 00:09:56.123 Sometimes they don't. 00:09:56.483 --> 00:09:57.663 I was, um. 00:09:57.883 --> 00:10:03.023 Highly focused on just learning, um, and, um, taking every experience I 00:10:03.023 --> 00:10:05.683 could to broaden my, um, my knowledge. 00:10:05.683 --> 00:10:09.033 So at Lyondell, when I was there, I bounced around supply chain quite a bit 00:10:09.033 --> 00:10:10.543 and then moved into a commercial role. 00:10:11.023 --> 00:10:15.143 And when I moved to, um, Third Coast, which had been my customer, um, they hired 00:10:15.143 --> 00:10:17.703 me to run one segment of, of the business. 00:10:18.093 --> 00:10:23.643 About five years in, um, the founder, um, CEO is still, still our leader. 00:10:23.673 --> 00:10:26.463 Uh, just came up to me, pulled me into his office without any warning. 00:10:26.463 --> 00:10:29.533 And he said, uh, I want to know if you want to run Third Coast Chemicals, 00:10:29.533 --> 00:10:31.243 which is one of our affiliates. 00:10:32.178 --> 00:10:35.948 And I immediately said, yes, without thinking about it, and it wasn't 00:10:35.948 --> 00:10:37.468 a position that even existed. 00:10:37.838 --> 00:10:41.518 That company had been kind of rolled up under shell shared services 00:10:41.518 --> 00:10:43.518 didn't have a distinct leader. 00:10:43.838 --> 00:10:48.358 Um, it had a distinct P and L, but not anybody who was the 1 throat to choke, 00:10:48.358 --> 00:10:49.938 so to speak, that was managing it. 00:10:49.948 --> 00:10:56.308 So, um, I think that was the moment where I, um, was tested, hand selected, which 00:10:56.308 --> 00:11:00.848 was, affirming, uh, and then I knew in that moment that I had his support. 00:11:00.858 --> 00:11:04.988 And I think that was, um, uh, the thing that just pushed me over the edge. 00:11:04.988 --> 00:11:07.488 It wasn't anything I needed to consider or be nervous about because 00:11:07.488 --> 00:11:08.868 he had all the confidence in me. 00:11:08.878 --> 00:11:12.128 And, and, um, that helped me have confidence in me. 00:11:12.128 --> 00:11:13.148 I panicked later. 00:11:13.488 --> 00:11:15.548 Um, but in the moment I said, yes. 00:11:15.618 --> 00:11:19.388 Um, and again, it just wasn't anything I'd planned or even thought of, 00:11:19.638 --> 00:11:21.078 but that was the moment it shifted. 00:11:21.078 --> 00:11:26.098 And I really started to hone my leadership skills and learn more of the, um, the 00:11:26.098 --> 00:11:31.018 business side from, from managing a PNL, um, trying to put together a team. 00:11:31.018 --> 00:11:32.588 We didn't even have a team at that point. 00:11:32.598 --> 00:11:35.468 So, um, just really building that business from the ground up. 00:11:35.963 --> 00:11:36.764 Um, but that was it. 00:11:37.063 --> 00:11:37.653 VictoriaM: I think that's cool. 00:11:37.653 --> 00:11:40.733 And then, and then the power of saying yes, even when you're not 00:11:40.733 --> 00:11:43.893 sure what you're saying yes to, um, can make a real difference. 00:11:44.213 --> 00:11:45.343 Kristin, how about you? 00:11:45.343 --> 00:11:51.643 You, you started in customer service, um, which was not necessarily, uh, a 00:11:51.643 --> 00:11:58.473 guaranteed road to anywhere other than maybe headache sometimes, you know, were 00:11:58.473 --> 00:12:00.143 there any really defining moments for you? 00:12:01.143 --> 00:12:03.953 Kristin: So I can think of a couple, and it's funny because Angie mentioned 00:12:03.963 --> 00:12:09.193 her starting salary, and it's funny what gets ingrained, because mine was 00:12:09.203 --> 00:12:13.483 25, 131 starting in customer service. 00:12:13.663 --> 00:12:14.093 That's precise. 00:12:14.563 --> 00:12:16.433 With benefits, right? 00:12:16.483 --> 00:12:21.953 Um, and I was really in an opportunity to participate in the 401k program, 00:12:21.953 --> 00:12:24.963 so I was extremely excited about that. 00:12:25.383 --> 00:12:30.868 Um, But yeah, again, it was supposed to be temporary. 00:12:31.158 --> 00:12:37.338 I think one of the very pivotal moments for me was I worked in 00:12:37.338 --> 00:12:42.978 customer service for a couple of years and then, um, I graduated. 00:12:43.518 --> 00:12:48.428 I graduated from college, and, um, my father said, All right, well, we're 00:12:48.428 --> 00:12:51.998 gonna you can continue to work here, but I'd really like you to get involved. 00:12:52.308 --> 00:12:54.688 Um, mace chemical is just one of my investments. 00:12:54.698 --> 00:12:59.718 I'd really like for you to get involved in, um, some of the other investments. 00:12:59.718 --> 00:13:05.558 And so I worked for 2 years or a year, excuse me, as an analyst, just 00:13:05.558 --> 00:13:10.573 really learning about All things other than May's chemical company. 00:13:11.013 --> 00:13:12.623 Um, and that was nice. 00:13:12.683 --> 00:13:17.113 And so I had an office on the other side of our building, but I would always 00:13:17.143 --> 00:13:20.653 gravitate back to the chemical business. 00:13:20.663 --> 00:13:24.693 And I mean, it was probably the most mundane of tasks, right? 00:13:24.693 --> 00:13:28.743 So it'd be like matching paperwork, Matt, sending out invoices. 00:13:28.773 --> 00:13:34.023 But just so I could kind of keep, um my thumb on what was going 00:13:34.023 --> 00:13:35.763 on in in the chemical business. 00:13:35.763 --> 00:13:38.773 Because I had by then I had, you know, made several good friends. 00:13:38.783 --> 00:13:43.583 I had been in a pseudo um, customer service leadership position and 00:13:43.613 --> 00:13:48.243 uh, you know, really just trying to understand um, what was going on. 00:13:48.253 --> 00:13:50.623 That, that was kind of my first clue that I was going to be 00:13:50.623 --> 00:13:52.003 here for longer than I thought. 00:13:52.363 --> 00:13:56.733 Um, after I spent a year as an analyst, I said, well, I had a young 00:13:56.733 --> 00:13:58.893 child and I said, well, um, I don't. 00:13:59.153 --> 00:14:01.703 want both of us to be in school at the same time. 00:14:01.703 --> 00:14:04.833 So if I'm gonna go back and get a secondary degree, I need to go ahead and 00:14:04.833 --> 00:14:09.153 get it now while she's still in daycare while I've still got a bit of flexibility 00:14:09.153 --> 00:14:10.883 and I can like put her to bed at seven. 00:14:11.213 --> 00:14:17.393 Um, so I worked for, um, two years full time while I got my 00:14:17.393 --> 00:14:20.173 MBA from Indiana University. 00:14:20.483 --> 00:14:24.838 And, um, And I looked at a couple of different schools, but I decided 00:14:24.838 --> 00:14:26.978 to stay because I had the job. 00:14:27.338 --> 00:14:29.308 I knew I could work around the job. 00:14:29.348 --> 00:14:34.528 And, um, I also knew I had the support system to be able to work and go to school 00:14:34.548 --> 00:14:36.998 full time and take care of my daughter. 00:14:37.768 --> 00:14:41.568 And so, you know, you never put it together, you know, going through 00:14:41.568 --> 00:14:46.418 it, but looking back, the decision not to leave Indiana, Indianapolis 00:14:46.488 --> 00:14:48.148 was another pivotal moment. 00:14:48.528 --> 00:14:55.958 And then when I graduated, I had several job offers, um, and at the time. 00:14:56.203 --> 00:14:58.383 We were making the decision. 00:14:58.713 --> 00:15:02.273 We had gone through ERP implementation. 00:15:02.723 --> 00:15:05.303 And as many of you know, those don't always go as planned. 00:15:05.313 --> 00:15:09.813 And so it was so it was, it was pretty disastrous for us. 00:15:09.843 --> 00:15:12.353 I mean, a loss of customers. 00:15:12.733 --> 00:15:17.593 It was and then we kind of had a migration of employees away 00:15:17.593 --> 00:15:18.923 from the business as well. 00:15:19.153 --> 00:15:23.103 Because all because of kind of the ERP system and the frustration with that. 00:15:23.903 --> 00:15:29.463 And, um, so I would say that was probably the most pivotal moment was deciding to 00:15:29.463 --> 00:15:36.583 stay in the midst of the chaos and help figure out how we get out of this mess. 00:15:36.993 --> 00:15:41.533 Um, because, you know, by that time, I had been working for about. 00:15:41.733 --> 00:15:46.383 Five or six years in the business really had an entrenched myself, 00:15:46.673 --> 00:15:50.543 um, had some very good relationships internally and externally. 00:15:50.543 --> 00:15:54.453 And so, um, really just hanging around and wanting to solve the problem. 00:15:54.453 --> 00:16:00.203 And that's kind of when I knew, okay, I'm going to be here for long term. 00:16:00.433 --> 00:16:04.303 And I really need to look at, uh, now I've got, I'm equipped with the 00:16:04.303 --> 00:16:07.493 tools because I did, um, get an MBA. 00:16:07.523 --> 00:16:12.363 I had been in several management meetings and all right, let's dig in and figure 00:16:12.363 --> 00:16:14.833 out what the challenges of the business. 00:16:15.513 --> 00:16:18.823 challenges are and and how to go about solving them. 00:16:18.823 --> 00:16:22.753 And so I think that was the most pivotal was the decision to stay 00:16:23.063 --> 00:16:29.453 after I got my NBA and really dig in and um, to deal with those problems. 00:16:29.523 --> 00:16:33.433 I obviously knew that I was going to have to be in upper management and and 00:16:33.433 --> 00:16:35.968 somewhere in the C suite eventually. 00:16:36.762 --> 00:16:38.438 VictoriaM: Yeah, that's a, that is a big deal. 00:16:38.438 --> 00:16:43.718 And I, I know, um, many people at family owned companies don't stay right. 00:16:43.728 --> 00:16:46.678 There's, there's a reason that family owned companies are often, 00:16:46.988 --> 00:16:50.188 you know, only a single generation, maybe two generations and, and. 00:16:50.658 --> 00:16:53.698 You know, I mean, I look at my own kids and they don't 00:16:53.708 --> 00:16:55.178 necessarily want to do what I do. 00:16:55.858 --> 00:16:59.268 And so that's a, that's a really hard part of being in business. 00:17:01.068 --> 00:17:01.388 Yeah. 00:17:01.638 --> 00:17:03.978 So, and I know we're going to come back and talk a little bit more about 00:17:03.978 --> 00:17:07.148 you and May, so we'll get to that in a bit, but you know, right, we're 00:17:07.148 --> 00:17:11.108 in a period right now where it feels like there's a lot of uncertainty. 00:17:11.218 --> 00:17:11.448 Right. 00:17:11.478 --> 00:17:17.018 There's, um, companies keep making announcements about layoffs. 00:17:17.078 --> 00:17:22.848 People are making transitions or thinking about making transitions or being forced 00:17:22.858 --> 00:17:28.358 to make transitions between companies, between businesses, um, et cetera. 00:17:28.378 --> 00:17:30.148 And I, each one of you have had. 00:17:30.243 --> 00:17:34.803 Some significant transitions, whether it be, um, across companies. 00:17:34.803 --> 00:17:35.043 Right. 00:17:35.043 --> 00:17:38.983 So Angie, you went from very big company to a very small company. 00:17:39.323 --> 00:17:43.473 Uh, Kristin in, you know, going from a small midsize family 00:17:43.473 --> 00:17:45.773 owned company to a giant company. 00:17:45.773 --> 00:17:48.223 Now that Revago's, um, acquired Mays. 00:17:48.683 --> 00:17:52.743 Um, and then of course, Emelia, you've gone mostly through public 00:17:52.743 --> 00:17:53.803 companies, which is interesting. 00:17:53.803 --> 00:17:56.483 We were talking before we got on that, this sale of Pact of 00:17:56.483 --> 00:17:59.863 Evergreen and going private is its own, um, bit of uncertainty. 00:18:00.748 --> 00:18:06.018 What have you guys found to be really critical in maybe just making 00:18:06.018 --> 00:18:10.598 yourself ready for those significant transitions, um, and figuring out how 00:18:10.598 --> 00:18:14.938 to be successful in a new environment, which, you know, the grass is not 00:18:14.938 --> 00:18:16.658 always greener on the other side. 00:18:16.898 --> 00:18:20.568 Um, and you have to figure out how to navigate in that new environment. 00:18:20.848 --> 00:18:22.958 So what have you found to be really effective? 00:18:23.158 --> 00:18:24.170 How about Emelia, you start. 00:18:25.688 --> 00:18:26.068 Emelia: Okay. 00:18:26.078 --> 00:18:28.988 First, I'm going to apologize if you hear my dog's bark in the background. 00:18:29.498 --> 00:18:31.338 And second, I feel like a slacker. 00:18:31.358 --> 00:18:36.108 My first job was 20, 000 a year, and I was in New York City. 00:18:36.508 --> 00:18:38.308 You guys are like, what? 00:18:38.318 --> 00:18:42.138 I feel like kind of, I was, I'm at the bottom end of the, the pole or something. 00:18:42.638 --> 00:18:46.618 Um, you know, I, I have changed companies many, many times, uh, 00:18:46.648 --> 00:18:47.828 which I guess is good and bad. 00:18:47.828 --> 00:18:50.398 And I've changed industries each time. 00:18:50.448 --> 00:18:56.383 What for me, what I try to do is, If I'm going to make a change, I 00:18:56.383 --> 00:18:58.913 want to make a change where I'm either going to take on a new role. 00:18:58.913 --> 00:19:03.093 That's going to give me a breadth of experience or get into a new industry 00:19:03.133 --> 00:19:05.873 to see if I can learn something new about how I do what I do, but in 00:19:05.873 --> 00:19:07.363 a different, in a different place. 00:19:08.003 --> 00:19:11.053 Um, what I found helpful was I never tried to do. 00:19:11.378 --> 00:19:12.948 Like everything at the same time. 00:19:12.948 --> 00:19:15.698 So I never tried to change an industry with a new job, with a new 00:19:15.698 --> 00:19:20.468 function and in a new state, um, that can, that, that can be a lot. 00:19:20.618 --> 00:19:25.298 Um, but what you can also do when you make change, it gives you a chance to, 00:19:26.088 --> 00:19:27.528 I don't want to say reinvent yourself. 00:19:27.528 --> 00:19:29.198 Cause there's something wrong with who you are. 00:19:29.548 --> 00:19:32.348 But you learn things at every job you're in and every company you're in. 00:19:32.728 --> 00:19:35.288 And it gives you an opportunity to learn from those mistakes and maybe 00:19:35.288 --> 00:19:36.598 do things a little bit differently. 00:19:37.068 --> 00:19:39.248 When you're in a new role, you're in a new company. 00:19:39.258 --> 00:19:43.398 And so I always thought it was kind of fun to be able to, you know, 00:19:43.438 --> 00:19:44.868 try, try to do something different. 00:19:44.888 --> 00:19:48.308 Try to be somebody different, try to, you know, evolve in, 00:19:48.318 --> 00:19:49.928 in, in all of those changes. 00:19:49.948 --> 00:19:53.188 And then it's also really helpful if you're making a transition. 00:19:53.578 --> 00:19:54.938 It helps to have an advocate. 00:19:54.988 --> 00:19:57.478 Maybe somebody pulled you into that company. 00:19:57.718 --> 00:20:00.118 Or maybe somebody recommended you, or, you know, someone who's 00:20:00.118 --> 00:20:04.558 there, um, because navigating a new company can be, can be complicated. 00:20:04.618 --> 00:20:07.698 And so having somebody who can help you, but also having somebody who's got your 00:20:07.698 --> 00:20:13.558 back, I think can make that transition a little bit easier, but change is good. 00:20:14.048 --> 00:20:17.048 And if there are ways for you to have opportunities where you can 00:20:17.048 --> 00:20:20.428 expand your knowledge, expand your capability, I think you should do it. 00:20:20.448 --> 00:20:21.848 I think you should always try it. 00:20:22.808 --> 00:20:23.108 VictoriaM: Awesome. 00:20:23.138 --> 00:20:23.428 I love 00:20:23.438 --> 00:20:23.688 that. 00:20:24.048 --> 00:20:25.018 Angie, how about you? 00:20:26.738 --> 00:20:29.358 Angie: I think one thing to keep in mind is even if you stayed at 00:20:29.358 --> 00:20:32.788 the same company for your entire career, those companies evolve. 00:20:32.848 --> 00:20:36.128 And, and even, you know, when you're in one position, if you stayed in 00:20:36.128 --> 00:20:39.718 the same position, and you might be in that job for three or four years, 00:20:39.718 --> 00:20:41.268 and there's two different managers, 00:20:41.658 --> 00:20:41.998 Emelia: you're 00:20:41.998 --> 00:20:43.138 Angie: going to have to adapt. 00:20:43.208 --> 00:20:46.868 Um, so, so change is inevitable, whether or not you're bouncing 00:20:46.868 --> 00:20:51.048 from one company to another, one role to another, um, just, um. 00:20:51.728 --> 00:20:54.238 Taking all you can from each of those experiences. 00:20:54.318 --> 00:20:57.638 Um, making sure that you're learning from that, knowing 00:20:57.638 --> 00:20:58.818 that everything is temporary. 00:20:58.818 --> 00:21:00.378 Even our industry is evolving. 00:21:00.718 --> 00:21:04.478 Um, so, you know, I work for a company where the founder is still heavily 00:21:04.478 --> 00:21:08.088 involved, but we're having to adapt and adjust to how the industry is 00:21:08.088 --> 00:21:09.568 changing, how the world is changing. 00:21:09.568 --> 00:21:13.628 So I think just being open to that flexibility, um, and that makes any 00:21:13.628 --> 00:21:16.678 move that you make, whether it's just from one position to another 00:21:16.678 --> 00:21:18.688 or adapting to a new manager. 00:21:19.033 --> 00:21:24.393 Are changing companies, um, moving like Emelia mentioned, packing up 00:21:24.393 --> 00:21:26.163 your family, moving somewhere else. 00:21:26.363 --> 00:21:30.883 It's all about embracing the growth and not the fear, I think, because 00:21:30.883 --> 00:21:34.883 nothing's permanent, even the bumps in the road along the way. 00:21:34.883 --> 00:21:36.113 You'll get past those. 00:21:36.143 --> 00:21:37.893 But if you can just be resilient. 00:21:38.283 --> 00:21:39.513 Always be true to yourself. 00:21:39.553 --> 00:21:44.163 Always be open to new experiences, new perspectives. 00:21:44.193 --> 00:21:47.343 You'll be able to navigate that forever. 00:21:47.343 --> 00:21:50.973 I didn't make the jump to Third Coast. 00:21:51.743 --> 00:21:53.463 That was not an easy one for me to make. 00:21:54.768 --> 00:21:57.648 And it came out of a real personal situation. 00:21:57.648 --> 00:22:01.928 My husband's in a commercial role at, at Lyondell, um, and he's a little 00:22:01.928 --> 00:22:03.498 bit further in his career than me. 00:22:03.498 --> 00:22:05.148 And it was getting complicated. 00:22:05.218 --> 00:22:07.958 You know, if he moved into a certain role, there was a perception. 00:22:07.958 --> 00:22:10.778 Well, we can't have Angie in that role because Brian's in this role. 00:22:10.778 --> 00:22:13.428 And there was a lot of shuffling going on to accommodate that. 00:22:13.428 --> 00:22:15.228 And I was like, this is, this is a little silly. 00:22:15.568 --> 00:22:16.223 Um, yeah. 00:22:16.513 --> 00:22:21.093 And so, uh, just knowing that I needed more room to grow, um, 00:22:21.733 --> 00:22:24.753 which seems counterintuitive to go to a smaller company to do that. 00:22:24.753 --> 00:22:28.183 But I needed to be able to spread my wings as much as he was. 00:22:28.213 --> 00:22:30.903 And so that was really what precipitated that change. 00:22:30.973 --> 00:22:35.633 Um, that's more of a personal, uh, issue than anything else. 00:22:35.664 --> 00:22:39.448 VictoriaM: Well, yeah, I mean, I think it all ends up being, um, We each 00:22:39.448 --> 00:22:43.238 have to find our reason, right, why we, why we would do that and how we 00:22:43.238 --> 00:22:44.588 become successful in what we're doing. 00:22:44.878 --> 00:22:46.028 Kristin, how about you? 00:22:46.078 --> 00:22:48.628 I mean, this is, I think you're still maybe in the midst of 00:22:48.628 --> 00:22:51.138 some big changes company wise. 00:22:51.608 --> 00:22:51.938 Yeah. 00:22:51.999 --> 00:22:52.398 Kristin: Yeah. 00:22:52.478 --> 00:22:57.218 Um, so I, I will, I will echo the sentiment of just having an advocate 00:22:57.288 --> 00:22:58.948 advocate to help you navigate. 00:22:58.998 --> 00:23:02.078 Um, that has been invaluable. 00:23:02.288 --> 00:23:09.488 Um, and for the first 25 years of my career or so, that was my father, right? 00:23:09.488 --> 00:23:16.738 So, so he helped me, um, navigate, he helped me understand, um, and 00:23:16.738 --> 00:23:21.543 that was really Invaluable for me because it the learning didn't 00:23:21.543 --> 00:23:23.073 always take place on the job. 00:23:23.723 --> 00:23:28.583 The learning took place at a Sunday dinner table or on a family vacation. 00:23:28.683 --> 00:23:30.593 Um, you know, well, hey, what? 00:23:30.613 --> 00:23:32.373 Why does this happen the way it does? 00:23:32.383 --> 00:23:35.063 Or why do we have this person in this role? 00:23:35.063 --> 00:23:37.743 And, and, um, really? 00:23:38.478 --> 00:23:42.748 Having a desire to help you learn, having that, that person that has a 00:23:42.748 --> 00:23:47.668 desire to help you learn and navigate and understand, and, um, then really 00:23:47.668 --> 00:23:51.758 help you with some of your challenges, I think again, is, is invaluable. 00:23:52.068 --> 00:23:57.798 Um, the other thing that has been very helpful for me, um, in, in 00:23:57.798 --> 00:24:04.038 navigating all kinds of change, because change is inevitable, um, is 00:24:04.068 --> 00:24:06.638 really just having a positive mindset. 00:24:06.988 --> 00:24:08.248 Um, and. 00:24:08.493 --> 00:24:10.513 You know, that is easier said than done. 00:24:10.543 --> 00:24:13.053 And that work does not happen one time. 00:24:13.053 --> 00:24:14.893 And then you always have a positive mindset. 00:24:14.943 --> 00:24:21.863 It is literally day in and day out listening to, um, motivation, listening to 00:24:21.863 --> 00:24:27.448 reaffirming words, um, really doing some quick reflection on, well, hey, remember 00:24:27.448 --> 00:24:32.118 when this situation was, um, you know, you thought it was unbearable or you, 00:24:32.148 --> 00:24:33.898 you didn't know why it was happening. 00:24:33.908 --> 00:24:37.768 And then you got through it and it has, you know, made you better, made 00:24:37.768 --> 00:24:41.988 you stronger, made you understand something a bit more, just reflecting 00:24:41.998 --> 00:24:46.018 on, you know, change and how it has occurred in the past and. 00:24:46.353 --> 00:24:51.723 Trying to stay positive because part of being in leadership is, um, you know, 00:24:51.733 --> 00:24:58.083 helping your your team to stay positive and you've got to exude that positivity. 00:24:58.673 --> 00:25:03.203 Um, or at least exude a sense of. 00:25:03.743 --> 00:25:04.673 Neutrality. 00:25:04.963 --> 00:25:08.703 Um, when going through when going through change because your team 00:25:08.703 --> 00:25:10.213 is going to go the way that you go. 00:25:10.263 --> 00:25:16.503 So if you are negative about change or you are questioning change or you are, you 00:25:16.503 --> 00:25:20.643 know, just just very leery about change, your team is going to be the same way. 00:25:20.643 --> 00:25:24.493 And I learned that very early on when I was a team lead in customer service. 00:25:24.523 --> 00:25:29.303 We had we had one negative person that was in our group. 00:25:29.613 --> 00:25:35.528 Um, and we found that all of us Have become so negative about everything. 00:25:35.528 --> 00:25:36.358 It's like, wait a minute. 00:25:36.498 --> 00:25:40.498 You know, we can't all sit here and commiserate on these things. 00:25:40.718 --> 00:25:45.438 Somebody's got to, you know, be positive, or at least be forward thinking and 00:25:45.438 --> 00:25:47.598 say, all right, it's not good right now. 00:25:47.598 --> 00:25:48.698 But how do we make it good? 00:25:48.708 --> 00:25:49.848 How do we make it better? 00:25:50.118 --> 00:25:54.438 And, um, And so you can kind of get in a rut, but it's just having the 00:25:54.438 --> 00:25:58.978 mindset and doing the work to keep the positive mindset about change. 00:25:59.318 --> 00:26:01.228 Um, you know, oldest book in the world. 00:26:01.238 --> 00:26:05.998 But, uh, when I was maybe 3 or 4 years in, I got a, uh, a book 00:26:05.998 --> 00:26:07.668 recommendation who moved my cheese. 00:26:07.668 --> 00:26:08.018 Right? 00:26:08.088 --> 00:26:08.728 And. 00:26:09.223 --> 00:26:12.583 Um, we read it and we were going through some change at that time. 00:26:12.583 --> 00:26:15.063 It was, you know, 98 99. 00:26:15.283 --> 00:26:16.863 We were about to hit Y two K. 00:26:16.863 --> 00:26:21.123 We were, um, all nervous about our computer systems and about 00:26:21.123 --> 00:26:22.313 what was going to happen. 00:26:22.313 --> 00:26:25.343 And, and, you know, we were just changing some org structure things. 00:26:25.343 --> 00:26:29.953 And so we all read that, um, that book as a company and, uh, you 00:26:29.953 --> 00:26:31.263 know, it still resonates today. 00:26:31.263 --> 00:26:36.203 I literally just mentioned it yesterday that you've got to stay positive about. 00:26:36.268 --> 00:26:41.318 Change because, um, you know, it, it really helps you get through it. 00:26:42.509 --> 00:26:43.108 VictoriaM: I think it's great. 00:26:43.108 --> 00:26:46.318 And I think you guys all kind of had touched on, on that piece of it. 00:26:46.318 --> 00:26:48.938 And I listened to something, you know, speaking about listening to positive 00:26:48.938 --> 00:26:54.058 things, I was listening to something this morning and it talked about how, um. 00:26:55.648 --> 00:26:59.388 The self fulfilling prophecies or the, you know, the expectations 00:26:59.388 --> 00:27:03.328 you have become realized, right? 00:27:03.328 --> 00:27:06.658 Whether it's about a person, whether it's about a situation, 00:27:06.658 --> 00:27:07.768 whether it's about yourself. 00:27:07.768 --> 00:27:11.948 And so if you're thinking it's going to be awesome, it's going to be awesome. 00:27:12.168 --> 00:27:13.108 You're going to find the awesome. 00:27:13.288 --> 00:27:15.868 If you're thinking it's going to be horrible, you're 00:27:15.868 --> 00:27:16.898 going to find the horrible. 00:27:17.178 --> 00:27:23.988 Um, and so finding that mind space to be positive, growth oriented, looking on the 00:27:23.988 --> 00:27:26.538 better side, helps navigate a lot of this. 00:27:26.958 --> 00:27:27.768 Um, okay. 00:27:27.768 --> 00:27:29.898 We're going to keep moving with, this has been a great conversation. 00:27:30.348 --> 00:27:33.758 Kristin, we're going to put the elephant on the table a little bit. 00:27:33.808 --> 00:27:35.188 Um, and we talked about it. 00:27:35.508 --> 00:27:37.238 There's going to be some people that say. 00:27:37.723 --> 00:27:39.843 Well, your name's on the company. 00:27:39.883 --> 00:27:42.043 Of course, it's easy to get to the top. 00:27:42.333 --> 00:27:45.343 And yet, I know that you've had to earn that, right? 00:27:45.423 --> 00:27:48.523 Um, and in fact, maybe you can share even just if, if there were, 00:27:48.523 --> 00:27:51.243 you know, if you have any siblings that would have potentially also 00:27:51.243 --> 00:27:53.623 been, um, in leadership of Mays. 00:27:54.003 --> 00:27:58.943 Um, and then you've also recently helped the company navigate a really 00:27:58.943 --> 00:28:01.633 significant decision in selling to Ravago. 00:28:01.933 --> 00:28:06.323 Um, and then taking a leadership position in a much larger company. 00:28:06.763 --> 00:28:11.703 Um, But let's just start with this whole idea that it's easy to get to the 00:28:11.703 --> 00:28:13.223 top when your name's on the company. 00:28:13.263 --> 00:28:16.183 I'm, I'm guessing it maybe is sometimes even harder. 00:28:17.643 --> 00:28:23.723 Kristin: Yeah, I think it, um, I think my path was, um, I don't know. 00:28:23.763 --> 00:28:27.663 I don't want to say it was more difficult, but I think it was just as difficult 00:28:27.664 --> 00:28:30.893 as anyone else walking in the door. 00:28:30.893 --> 00:28:33.033 And that's why I mentioned my starting salary. 00:28:33.033 --> 00:28:36.733 One of the first revelations I had is that someone who was brought 00:28:36.733 --> 00:28:39.753 in after me made more than I did. 00:28:40.163 --> 00:28:43.953 And, um, it was, it was completely justified. 00:28:44.043 --> 00:28:47.773 Um, he was a, a male and he was bilingual. 00:28:48.053 --> 00:28:51.333 Um, he did not have the experience that I had, so he had to be 00:28:51.333 --> 00:28:54.203 fully trained from the beginning, but he, he made more than me. 00:28:54.203 --> 00:28:57.773 And I was like, hey, that, there's, there's not going to 00:28:57.773 --> 00:28:59.463 be any nepotism here, I guess. 00:28:59.483 --> 00:29:02.513 Um, not that I was expecting it, but, um. 00:29:03.113 --> 00:29:11.673 I think a big part of my career path and my kind of my jagged journey to 00:29:11.693 --> 00:29:19.463 the C suite was really gaining, uh, functional, relatable knowledge about 00:29:19.623 --> 00:29:22.103 every single aspect of this business. 00:29:22.503 --> 00:29:23.903 Um, and. 00:29:24.383 --> 00:29:28.623 That is really what gave me the credibility and gave people the 00:29:28.633 --> 00:29:34.853 confidence in my ability to lead the company because I had worked alongside 00:29:34.853 --> 00:29:40.593 with so many, um, of, of my colleagues over the course of of the years. 00:29:40.993 --> 00:29:46.513 Um, and I really did have a functional role working in or managing every 00:29:46.513 --> 00:29:48.693 single aspect of our business. 00:29:49.183 --> 00:29:53.393 Um, and, and so that gave me me. 00:29:53.603 --> 00:29:55.903 And and I still look to do that today. 00:29:56.223 --> 00:30:00.933 Um, so, so it gave me the confidence that I knew what I was talking about. 00:30:01.583 --> 00:30:05.803 Um, but it gave other people the confidence that, oh, she's not just 00:30:05.813 --> 00:30:12.043 leading us because she happened to be the second child born to Bill Mays. 00:30:12.063 --> 00:30:17.543 No, she's paid her dues and she has worked alongside of us and she 00:30:17.543 --> 00:30:19.773 understands this and then she can me. 00:30:19.933 --> 00:30:23.773 Advocate for what we need, or she can relate to what we need in this 00:30:23.773 --> 00:30:25.053 department or that department. 00:30:25.053 --> 00:30:26.763 I always tell folks all the time. 00:30:26.763 --> 00:30:29.583 My job as a leader is to get you the resources you need 00:30:29.853 --> 00:30:31.763 so we can get the job done. 00:30:32.133 --> 00:30:40.543 And, um, so I think that is really what helped me gain both the internal 00:30:40.843 --> 00:30:43.923 credibility and the internal confidence. 00:30:44.393 --> 00:30:48.793 Um, and then the external credibility had I been, you know, Okay. 00:30:49.138 --> 00:30:53.428 Somewhere else and then come in and, and run started to run the business. 00:30:53.428 --> 00:30:57.958 I think I would've had a, a much more challenging path, um, 00:30:58.018 --> 00:31:01.318 because, and, and a much more, you know, steeper learning curve. 00:31:01.858 --> 00:31:06.058 Um, but, but I think it was impor it, it, it was, and it continues to 00:31:06.058 --> 00:31:07.770 be important to me to, and, and I'm. 00:31:08.383 --> 00:31:09.943 I'm just weird like that. 00:31:09.943 --> 00:31:14.463 So I really like processes and I really like, um, understanding 00:31:14.693 --> 00:31:16.823 how things are supposed to work. 00:31:16.823 --> 00:31:20.353 So I will, you know, I will ask those types of questions. 00:31:20.363 --> 00:31:23.923 I will say, well, let me do this job for a day so I can understand. 00:31:24.653 --> 00:31:28.873 You know what challenges you face because it's not enough for you to communicate 00:31:28.873 --> 00:31:30.633 those challenge challenges to me. 00:31:30.633 --> 00:31:31.653 I want to experience them. 00:31:31.653 --> 00:31:32.253 I want to see. 00:31:32.253 --> 00:31:32.663 All right. 00:31:33.053 --> 00:31:34.893 How do I think through how to handle them? 00:31:34.893 --> 00:31:41.553 So I think, um, I think there was, uh, not there. 00:31:41.573 --> 00:31:46.618 There were a lot of, um, maybe I'll say false narratives in the beginning 00:31:46.618 --> 00:31:52.898 when I came on about, um, oh, well, why does she have this position? 00:31:52.918 --> 00:31:56.528 Or, you know, is she going to climb to the C suite? 00:31:56.528 --> 00:31:58.918 And she, is she going to be, you know, given it? 00:31:58.918 --> 00:32:00.308 Or is she going to have to earn it? 00:32:00.308 --> 00:32:03.218 And I still talk to people who we hire today. 00:32:03.218 --> 00:32:03.818 And they're like. 00:32:04.263 --> 00:32:06.493 She's so involved in the business. 00:32:06.503 --> 00:32:07.993 Like she knows everything. 00:32:08.003 --> 00:32:09.213 She sees everything. 00:32:09.213 --> 00:32:13.433 And I'm like, yeah, because that's how I make myself a better leader is to really 00:32:13.483 --> 00:32:15.653 understand the challenges that we have. 00:32:15.943 --> 00:32:20.053 And then how do we get the resources to try to solve those challenges? 00:32:20.483 --> 00:32:22.373 Um, but, but I did deal with that. 00:32:22.513 --> 00:32:27.413 I dealt with that as, as a person with, um, the last name, Okay. 00:32:27.668 --> 00:32:32.678 On the building and so much so that I, when I was married to my first 00:32:32.678 --> 00:32:34.348 husband, I changed my name, right? 00:32:34.348 --> 00:32:39.378 Like, I didn't want there to be any, um, you know, any stigma attached. 00:32:39.378 --> 00:32:42.778 So, so I, you know, took my husband's name, my first husband's name. 00:32:43.118 --> 00:32:44.938 And that's just, you know, externally, that's. 00:32:45.203 --> 00:32:49.333 Who I was known as, and no one, no one knew, um, and no one was, 00:32:49.503 --> 00:32:53.213 you know, any the wiser that, um, I was related to ownership. 00:32:53.243 --> 00:32:56.333 And that was really when I was in an external, more external facing 00:32:56.333 --> 00:32:57.933 position at that point in time. 00:32:57.933 --> 00:33:00.013 So, um, it, it is tough. 00:33:00.043 --> 00:33:02.603 I will tell you there were, there, it was not easy. 00:33:02.683 --> 00:33:10.633 Uh, uh, I, I was, um, removed from a position at one point in time and, and 00:33:10.643 --> 00:33:17.713 moved because, um, I was very vocal about what I thought was the correct way 00:33:17.713 --> 00:33:20.023 and the incorrect way to, to do things. 00:33:20.153 --> 00:33:25.383 Um, and so, uh, if there were sides to take, mine was not taken, 00:33:25.423 --> 00:33:27.003 it was the other person's side. 00:33:27.283 --> 00:33:31.073 Um, so, so it wasn't, it wasn't an easy road and it wasn't just a given. 00:33:31.103 --> 00:33:33.343 Um, and that was even a learning experience. 00:33:33.393 --> 00:33:39.023 Uh, not about not being vocal, but it's how you voice some opposition, right? 00:33:39.023 --> 00:33:40.353 And how you do that. 00:33:40.653 --> 00:33:45.828 Um, In an environment, in a business environment, because I was just used to, 00:33:45.858 --> 00:33:49.328 well, I mean, you know, you, you have, hey, dad, I don't think that's right. 00:33:49.328 --> 00:33:53.298 You know, you just say it and you, you can't do that when you're in business 00:33:53.308 --> 00:33:54.788 with your, your family members. 00:33:54.788 --> 00:33:57.928 You've got to have, um, you got to have a little bit of a 00:33:57.928 --> 00:33:59.708 line about how you communicate. 00:33:59.708 --> 00:34:08.058 So, um, I think, uh, navigating the transition to Robago, um, 00:34:08.068 --> 00:34:09.628 has been very interesting. 00:34:09.628 --> 00:34:14.048 And, and Emelia, you, um, we were talking earlier about a 00:34:14.048 --> 00:34:15.738 little bit about private equity. 00:34:16.038 --> 00:34:20.148 And I think we always knew that, um, if we were going to sell, we wanted to 00:34:20.398 --> 00:34:23.198 try to sell to a family owned company. 00:34:23.708 --> 00:34:27.573 Um, Somebody who shared our values. 00:34:27.573 --> 00:34:31.893 And I think with the Russ family who are, they're the owners of Revival, we 00:34:31.893 --> 00:34:34.323 have found a great, um, partnership. 00:34:34.323 --> 00:34:40.563 And so it always helps when you are aligned with ownership who 00:34:40.683 --> 00:34:42.993 that ownership is on values. 00:34:42.993 --> 00:34:43.053 Yeah. 00:34:43.143 --> 00:34:48.063 You won't aligned on every single decision, but on, on values and on 00:34:48.063 --> 00:34:50.433 just good old fashioned principles. 00:34:50.823 --> 00:34:52.263 Um, I, I think that it's. 00:34:52.468 --> 00:34:57.218 Extremely helpful when going into a transition like this. 00:34:57.218 --> 00:35:04.568 So, um, yeah, I and I think I did because there were several other people. 00:35:04.628 --> 00:35:07.248 Obviously, Roboto existed before us. 00:35:07.598 --> 00:35:12.258 Um, and there were several other people and high high positions. 00:35:12.258 --> 00:35:18.478 But I think, um, the folks who came in and looked at us realized that, um, We had a 00:35:18.478 --> 00:35:21.618 good team and that I was the real deal. 00:35:21.618 --> 00:35:23.128 Cause that's always the first question, right? 00:35:23.128 --> 00:35:23.398 Okay. 00:35:23.398 --> 00:35:24.898 Is she there just as a figurehead? 00:35:24.898 --> 00:35:28.558 Is this a lifestyle business is, you know, or is she really digging 00:35:28.558 --> 00:35:29.728 in and running the business? 00:35:29.728 --> 00:35:34.578 And I think through conversations, um, again, I had to kind of prove 00:35:34.578 --> 00:35:38.418 myself that I knew what I was talking about, um, in order to 00:35:38.478 --> 00:35:41.218 earn, uh, the, the position to, to. 00:35:41.398 --> 00:35:45.088 play a larger part and to have a larger role in the, in the company. 00:35:45.088 --> 00:35:47.488 So, um, I think it'll always be there. 00:35:47.488 --> 00:35:49.078 I don't think I'll ever get rid of it. 00:35:49.368 --> 00:35:54.308 Um, but, but I'm okay with it and, and I'm okay with, you know, talking 00:35:54.308 --> 00:35:59.058 the talk because I can walk the walk because, you know, I, I really have. 00:35:59.498 --> 00:36:02.538 Uh, dug in and educated myself on this business. 00:36:02.698 --> 00:36:03.468 VictoriaM: Yeah, I love it. 00:36:03.708 --> 00:36:04.068 Okay. 00:36:04.068 --> 00:36:07.058 And I think that's a great, um, a segue to our next question. 00:36:07.058 --> 00:36:09.478 In fact, we've got just a couple of questions, so we're going to kind 00:36:09.478 --> 00:36:13.878 of spitball these a little bit fast so that we can get to questions and 00:36:13.878 --> 00:36:19.358 answers from the people that have joined us live, but, um, bias, right? 00:36:19.468 --> 00:36:21.008 Let's be, um, bias exists. 00:36:21.008 --> 00:36:22.218 It's just part of life. 00:36:22.608 --> 00:36:23.438 Um, and. 00:36:23.823 --> 00:36:26.293 There's this whole aspect of, you know, there's one, there's not a lot of 00:36:26.293 --> 00:36:28.493 women at the top in chemical companies. 00:36:28.493 --> 00:36:33.883 Heck, there's not really a lot of women inside commercial and operational and 00:36:33.883 --> 00:36:37.553 line roles inside chemical companies. 00:36:38.043 --> 00:36:43.443 And you know, Uh, Kristin, a bit of your story makes me think, um, about 00:36:43.443 --> 00:36:48.493 the fact that you felt like you had to do everything and know everything 00:36:48.743 --> 00:36:50.913 in order to earn your position. 00:36:51.383 --> 00:36:56.763 Um, and you know, we don't know what might have transpired, um, if 00:36:56.763 --> 00:36:58.013 somebody else was taking that role. 00:36:58.013 --> 00:37:02.643 But it also strikes me that sometimes it feels like women have to do. 00:37:03.268 --> 00:37:12.848 Better than men to get the next role have to be You know Stronger more 00:37:12.858 --> 00:37:18.678 engaging do more work to earn their their place I I'm just gonna throw 00:37:18.678 --> 00:37:23.128 this out to anyone I mean, what do you guys think in terms of do you see this 00:37:23.128 --> 00:37:25.918 as bias and and what needs to change? 00:37:25.928 --> 00:37:26.888 And is it changing? 00:37:28.398 --> 00:37:31.408 Angie: I think I think it's changing for the better. 00:37:31.418 --> 00:37:34.238 So we all started our careers in the 1900s. 00:37:34.308 --> 00:37:38.468 And, uh, if you were to put a panel of women that were in leadership, 00:37:39.028 --> 00:37:42.618 um, on the screen, then they wouldn't look like any of us. 00:37:42.678 --> 00:37:46.338 Um, when I started in the industry, the women that were in leadership, even in the 00:37:46.338 --> 00:37:49.428 commercial roles were engineers with MBAs. 00:37:50.578 --> 00:37:54.498 And they looked like their male counter, they dressed like their male counterparts. 00:37:54.498 --> 00:37:55.178 It was a cookie cut. 00:37:55.188 --> 00:37:57.948 They had pleated pants and golf shirts for God's sake. 00:37:57.958 --> 00:38:01.808 I mean, I, I did not wear pleated pants or golf shorts and their, their 00:38:01.988 --> 00:38:06.138 golf swing was better than the, you know, their, their peers and, and 00:38:06.138 --> 00:38:09.558 they didn't hit off the women's tees and, and it was just almost like this 00:38:09.578 --> 00:38:11.458 message of you've got to be this. 00:38:12.063 --> 00:38:14.543 type of a woman to have that job. 00:38:14.583 --> 00:38:17.043 And, and I think that has changed for the better. 00:38:17.323 --> 00:38:21.983 I do think women are conditioned to, um, wait to be tapped on the 00:38:21.983 --> 00:38:25.073 shoulder, which, which is exactly what I did in my example earlier. 00:38:25.073 --> 00:38:26.403 I didn't ask for a job. 00:38:26.423 --> 00:38:31.493 I was, um, uh, approached, um, where men will seek. 00:38:31.828 --> 00:38:35.468 The job they're not quite qualified for because it's the next job they want. 00:38:35.488 --> 00:38:36.968 Um, but I do see a change. 00:38:36.968 --> 00:38:41.028 The younger women I work with are way more assertive. 00:38:41.318 --> 00:38:42.858 Um, they ask for what they want. 00:38:42.878 --> 00:38:45.838 We have a, uh, a team of engineers. 00:38:45.848 --> 00:38:47.258 50 percent of them are women. 00:38:47.468 --> 00:38:48.708 Um, I do see change. 00:38:48.708 --> 00:38:50.028 I think it's getting better. 00:38:50.308 --> 00:38:52.908 The one challenge I see is. 00:38:53.103 --> 00:38:58.303 Um, as a mother, um, it's very difficult, especially if your spouse 00:38:58.303 --> 00:39:00.593 works, which most of our spouses do. 00:39:01.183 --> 00:39:05.223 Moms don't always have the luxury of getting to work early and staying late. 00:39:06.023 --> 00:39:09.943 And, um, there's a perception that if you're not working longer, 00:39:09.943 --> 00:39:11.223 you're not working as hard. 00:39:11.573 --> 00:39:13.673 I think that's one that we still have to overcome. 00:39:14.153 --> 00:39:18.333 And so, um, some of these women's careers kind of stall at that point, 00:39:18.333 --> 00:39:19.803 they decide to become mothers. 00:39:20.223 --> 00:39:22.358 Um, and I think that's still something we have to adapt to. 00:39:22.498 --> 00:39:23.418 We have to overcome. 00:39:23.572 --> 00:39:24.248 VictoriaM: Absolutely. 00:39:24.428 --> 00:39:27.778 And in fact, um, you know, it's a great segue into the 00:39:27.778 --> 00:39:29.028 next question around balance. 00:39:29.038 --> 00:39:34.878 So each one of you are navigating successful careers and families, 00:39:35.298 --> 00:39:39.648 um, and a lot of other obligations and, and just life, right? 00:39:39.648 --> 00:39:44.448 So what's critical in helping you navigate that is, you know, is 00:39:44.448 --> 00:39:46.338 there such a thing as balance? 00:39:46.728 --> 00:39:48.758 Are you, do you believe in having it all? 00:39:49.158 --> 00:39:49.588 I don't know. 00:39:50.068 --> 00:39:51.678 Emelia, you want to jump in on that one? 00:39:52.408 --> 00:39:55.698 Emelia: Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, I certainly have a lot of kids. 00:39:56.238 --> 00:40:00.208 Um, and, uh, I've been really lucky that I've worked for not 00:40:00.208 --> 00:40:03.828 only companies, but managers who were really supportive of family. 00:40:03.888 --> 00:40:05.098 They believed in family. 00:40:05.128 --> 00:40:06.718 They believed in work life balance. 00:40:07.408 --> 00:40:11.108 But I also think as an individual, you know, you have to be comfortable and 00:40:11.108 --> 00:40:14.178 confident in asking for what you need. 00:40:14.778 --> 00:40:18.588 You know, in your, in your life, in your family and not feel like, you 00:40:18.588 --> 00:40:26.578 know, there's going to be, I'm sorry, my earpiece fell out, but not feel 00:40:26.578 --> 00:40:31.773 like you're going to be, um, that it's going to damage your career in any way. 00:40:31.823 --> 00:40:36.413 Um, I think workers about results and if you can deliver those results and you 00:40:36.413 --> 00:40:42.073 can deliver it in the way that that works for you, um, then that's what it's about. 00:40:42.103 --> 00:40:44.913 And so I think you have, you have to have confidence that as long as you're meeting 00:40:44.913 --> 00:40:48.833 expectations and you can do that, finding a way to have balance in your life. 00:40:49.253 --> 00:40:52.973 Um, it was never a roadblock for me, but it was also a priority. 00:40:53.368 --> 00:40:53.828 For me. 00:40:53.858 --> 00:40:57.408 And so I probably searched out those conditions without even knowing that 00:40:57.408 --> 00:41:00.928 I was searching out those conditions and making sure that I was in those 00:41:00.938 --> 00:41:04.998 places where I was going to have that, that, you know, not a lot of friction 00:41:05.008 --> 00:41:07.508 about, about having that, um, that need. 00:41:07.528 --> 00:41:10.608 And, and so it did, it did work out for me and I wouldn't 00:41:10.658 --> 00:41:13.118 have it any other way at all. 00:41:13.118 --> 00:41:15.098 I was, I'm very happy that that's the way that it worked 00:41:15.098 --> 00:41:16.508 out, but I was also willing to. 00:41:17.013 --> 00:41:20.223 You know, to ask for it and make sure that it was something that I was able to get. 00:41:20.780 --> 00:41:21.103 VictoriaM: Yeah. 00:41:21.173 --> 00:41:21.583 Awesome. 00:41:21.913 --> 00:41:26.463 Um, and I know for, for me personally, and I'll just say, um, even today 00:41:26.503 --> 00:41:30.843 as running my own business, but also when I was working corporate, I, I was 00:41:30.843 --> 00:41:36.033 really clear with my calendar and just blocking my critical time that I needed 00:41:36.033 --> 00:41:39.133 for my family, um, to make sure that. 00:41:39.313 --> 00:41:43.973 You know, I could take vacations that if it's the first day of school and I'm 00:41:44.093 --> 00:41:47.443 always, you know, seeing my kids off for the first day of school that, okay, 00:41:47.443 --> 00:41:53.613 well I've got that day saved and I'm and managing around, um, time blocks and 00:41:53.613 --> 00:41:58.613 expectations, because otherwise, if you don't seek your own balances, you talked 00:41:58.623 --> 00:42:00.523 about Emelia, you're not going to get it. 00:42:00.533 --> 00:42:03.033 Nobody's going to give you balance. 00:42:03.423 --> 00:42:04.903 You have to claim it for yourself. 00:42:06.788 --> 00:42:07.088 All right. 00:42:07.098 --> 00:42:09.458 So we're going to do one final question and then we're going to, 00:42:09.498 --> 00:42:12.568 um, wrap this piece of it and go to the questions from the audience. 00:42:13.058 --> 00:42:18.558 If you have one piece of leadership advice for early to mid career person, 00:42:18.558 --> 00:42:23.388 that's really looking to achieve your levels of success, what would it be? 00:42:23.588 --> 00:42:25.588 And I'm gonna ask the same question for each one of you. 00:42:25.618 --> 00:42:27.328 So Kristin, why don't we start with you? 00:42:28.068 --> 00:42:28.328 Kristin: Yeah. 00:42:28.948 --> 00:42:33.048 I think, um, the ability to be nimble and be flexible. 00:42:33.588 --> 00:42:35.588 Um, whatever that means to you. 00:42:35.588 --> 00:42:39.048 So we just, you know, we just got off the question of work life balance. 00:42:39.048 --> 00:42:43.128 And so that may mean something totally different to me than 00:42:43.128 --> 00:42:45.058 it does to Angie or to Emelia. 00:42:45.108 --> 00:42:48.838 But being able to be flexible because the industry, I think for 00:42:48.838 --> 00:42:52.618 a long time, um, had small changes. 00:42:52.923 --> 00:42:55.573 But no real dynamic changes. 00:42:55.603 --> 00:43:03.273 And then probably in the mid 2000s, um, we saw an influx of of change 00:43:03.293 --> 00:43:09.073 within industries within consolidation within, um, you know, regulation. 00:43:09.083 --> 00:43:14.083 And so I think just the ability to stay nimble and stay flexible 00:43:14.143 --> 00:43:18.773 within, um, the chemical space is is going to be a great thing. 00:43:19.858 --> 00:43:24.128 component of success and trying to make your way to the C suite. 00:43:24.555 --> 00:43:24.898 VictoriaM: Awesome. 00:43:25.078 --> 00:43:25.488 Love that. 00:43:26.148 --> 00:43:27.008 Angie, how about you? 00:43:27.009 --> 00:43:27.328 I 00:43:28.408 --> 00:43:29.738 Angie: got a piece of advice. 00:43:29.868 --> 00:43:34.308 Uh, when I was at Lyondell, there was a, a big push for, um, people to take 00:43:34.308 --> 00:43:39.298 positions that would round them out or develop a weakness and, uh, someone 00:43:39.498 --> 00:43:43.268 said to me, you should always take positions and seek positions that. 00:43:44.623 --> 00:43:47.213 strengths, not those that develop your weaknesses. 00:43:47.613 --> 00:43:50.753 Um, and sometimes I know that's hard to navigate when, uh, especially if 00:43:50.753 --> 00:43:54.373 your corporate culture is to say, Hey, you need to, you need to come 00:43:54.373 --> 00:43:57.943 out of this supply chain role and be a business analyst, which God 00:43:57.943 --> 00:43:59.153 bless you, Kristin, for doing that. 00:43:59.153 --> 00:44:00.113 Not in my wheelhouse. 00:44:00.143 --> 00:44:03.123 But if I had done that, that would have been detrimental to my career. 00:44:03.143 --> 00:44:04.663 I, I would not have. 00:44:05.048 --> 00:44:08.758 Succeeded and, you know, performance evaluation time would come around and 00:44:08.758 --> 00:44:10.578 like, Oh, she's just not cutting it. 00:44:10.778 --> 00:44:13.928 You know, when I was shining in another role, so I think be selective. 00:44:14.068 --> 00:44:16.418 It's okay to say no in the appropriate way. 00:44:16.708 --> 00:44:19.468 Um, and just make sure you're always putting yourself in the best position, 00:44:19.848 --> 00:44:23.928 um, to, uh, to, to utilize your strengths and where you can add the most value. 00:44:25.368 --> 00:44:26.398 VictoriaM: AwesomEmelialia. 00:44:27.443 --> 00:44:32.903 Emelia: Um, I would say, uh, a few things probably, um, don't 00:44:32.903 --> 00:44:34.063 be afraid to make a mistake. 00:44:34.703 --> 00:44:37.003 I think a lot of times it's more about how you recover from a 00:44:37.003 --> 00:44:38.713 mistake than the actual mistake. 00:44:39.143 --> 00:44:41.023 Uh, you learn a lot from mistakes. 00:44:41.023 --> 00:44:44.663 You also learn a lot from managers that you don't like, so don't be afraid of 00:44:44.663 --> 00:44:46.003 working for somebody that you don't like. 00:44:46.003 --> 00:44:48.453 It teaches you what you don't want to be when you're a manager. 00:44:49.063 --> 00:44:52.173 Um, I would say get uncomfortable with being uncomfortable. 00:44:52.808 --> 00:44:55.428 You'll find out a lot about yourself if you do something that makes 00:44:55.428 --> 00:45:01.598 you really uncomfortable and, um, accountability and communication, you 00:45:01.598 --> 00:45:04.788 know, you got to be accountable for your work for yourself for your actions. 00:45:04.788 --> 00:45:05.978 You can only control those things. 00:45:05.978 --> 00:45:07.238 You can't control anybody else. 00:45:07.238 --> 00:45:08.888 You can only control how you react to them. 00:45:09.428 --> 00:45:13.648 Um, and I think that I wish that that when, when we were all in school 00:45:13.648 --> 00:45:16.748 that they, they made us focus more on communication, written, oral, 00:45:17.098 --> 00:45:18.698 just, I think people underestimate. 00:45:19.513 --> 00:45:22.043 How do you take something from your head and, you know, every, 00:45:22.043 --> 00:45:24.193 you assume everybody knows what, you know, and that's your point of 00:45:24.213 --> 00:45:28.433 communication where you start and, uh, communication is absolutely critical. 00:45:28.823 --> 00:45:29.533 Absolutely. 00:45:29.947 --> 00:45:30.513 VictoriaM: I love that. 00:45:30.883 --> 00:45:31.213 Awesome. 00:45:31.433 --> 00:45:35.313 Well, ladies, thank you for joining me today and for sharing your wisdom 00:45:35.333 --> 00:45:38.613 with the people that are alive with us today, as well as the people that are 00:45:38.613 --> 00:45:40.793 part of The Chemical show community. 00:45:40.813 --> 00:45:44.333 And, um, I've really enjoyed today's conversation. 00:45:46.317 --> 00:45:48.477 Thanks for joining us today on The Chemical Show. 00:45:48.817 --> 00:45:53.277 If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe, leave a review, 00:45:53.547 --> 00:45:57.107 and most importantly, share it with your friends and colleagues. 00:45:57.937 --> 00:46:00.827 For more insights, visit TheChemicalShow. 00:46:00.837 --> 00:46:03.357 com and connect with us on LinkedIn. 00:46:04.007 --> 00:46:07.957 You can find me at Victoria King Meyer on LinkedIn, and you can also 00:46:07.957 --> 00:46:09.907 find us at The Chemical Show Podcast. 00:46:10.317 --> 00:46:13.547 Join us next time for 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