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Do you or just"},{"speaker":"Susan McCulley","startTime":3900.66,"endTime":3902.85,"body":"like a really good meal"},{"speaker":"Henny Flynn","startTime":3906.42,"endTime":3911.85,"body":"I hope you're"},{"speaker":"Henny Flynn","startTime":3906.42,"endTime":3911.85,"body":"seated till next time"},{"speaker":"Susan McCulley","startTime":3913.11,"endTime":3913.77,"body":"yes"}]}