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Maarten!

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gisteren

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documentaire

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geschiedenisserie

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denken.

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voor

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documentaire?

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dacht,

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moeten

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bevrijding

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hebben.

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Ja,

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Dodenherdenking

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onderwerp.

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sluit

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probeer

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bezetting

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moet

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vreselijk

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zijn

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geweest.

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vertrouwen.

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moeilijk

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wacht,

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nee,

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eerder

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vrij,

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toch?

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precies.

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geallieerden

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kwamen

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Nederland

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binnen

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via

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zuiden.

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Vooral

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Canadezen

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wapperen!

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Klopt.

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bezet.

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gedachte.

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vrijheid

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dichtbij

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Inderdaad.

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gevaarlijk.

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duidelijke

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officiële

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eindelijk,

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1945.

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capitulatie.

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uiteindelijke

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overwinning.

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moet

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onbeschrijfelijk

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zijn

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geweest.

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iconische

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foto's

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straat.

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hoewel

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natuurlijk.

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vieren.

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Het

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Ja,

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Amerikaanse

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Absoluut.

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Nederland

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Poeh,

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belangrijk

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onderwerp.

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hongerwinter,

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bevrijding

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daarna.

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Ja,

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moest

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wederopbouw.

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Tot

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volgende

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keer!

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Ja,

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Tot

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horens,

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doei!