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vertraging.

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dingetje,

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infrastructuur

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Nederland.

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inderdaad.

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onderwerp

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hebben.

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vanochtend

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een

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artikel

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Lelystad

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Airport.

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Oh,

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nee.

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hoofdpijndossier.

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nooit

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op?

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Blijkbaar

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niet!

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blijven

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maar

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geld

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pompen.

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waarom?

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bij

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bevolking?

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ja,

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officiële

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natuurlijk

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hamvraag.

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Rendabel?

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geloof

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niet.

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Volgens

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koste

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gelobbyd,

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anders.

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factor.

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luchtvaartsector

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heeft

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machtige

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stem.

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termijn,

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jaar,

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niet

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zet

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kunnen

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zijn?

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Misschien,

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maar

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niet

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manier!

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milieueffectrapportage

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lachertje,

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foute

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berekeningen

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duurzaamheid

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compleet

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negeren?

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Het

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vliegveld

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praktisch

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natuurgebied!

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omwonenden

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bepaald

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toonbeeld

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democratie.

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voelt

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genomen

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wacht,

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precies!

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denk?

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Investeer

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miljarden

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hebben.

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Verbeter

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toegankelijkheid

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regio’s

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buiten

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Randstad

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eens.

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Zoals

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snellere

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treinverbinding

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naar

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noorden?

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Lelylijn?

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Ja,

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bijvoorbeeld!

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lightrail-netwerk

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beter

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met

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elkaar

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verbindt.

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Stel

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standaard

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verkeersinfarct

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alternatief

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fantastisch

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zijn?

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Absoluut.

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Maar

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dezelfde

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problemen:

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duur,

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procedures

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duren

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altijd

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wel

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groepen

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Maar

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duurzaam

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Eigenlijk

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Maar

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Het

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Lekker

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belangrijk.

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realiteit

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Airport

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lightrail-netwerk.

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Het

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puzzel,

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die

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infrastructuur.

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Zeker.

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moeten

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toegankelijkheid

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beter

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kunnen

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prioriteren.

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Anders

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verandert

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moet

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weer

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door.

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weer.

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Ja,

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goed!

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Tot

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volgende

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keer

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maar

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weer.

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Doei!