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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Well, hey, welcome to

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the Bible Guys. I'm Chris and
I'm Jeff. There it is, and

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we're the Bible Guys. Here we
are, and today we are starting out

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with oh, it's a Babylon b
Did you know that we didn't even look

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at this up? Yes, we
know. Today's a TV show draft list?

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Did I skip? Oh? I
skipped? Oh? Yeah, yes,

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okay, so today is our TV
show draft list. For today's draft

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list, let's imagine what it would
be like to be on a TV show,

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whether it's competition show, sitcom,
Reality TV, or any other show.

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Your rock, paper scissors to see
who gets the first pick, go

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back and forth until you've reached four
shows. We're imagining what it would be

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like. So are we just like
picking our favorite TV shows that we would

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want to be on? Like?
In other words? I think I think

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what she's saying is my brother wanted
to actually submit ourselves to the what is

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it called the Amazing race. Yeah, so my brother called and said,

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would your church let you be gone
for this amount of time? If we

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submitted ourselves to the Amazing Grace.
I think my brother actually wanted to be

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on The Amazing Race and he thought
it'd be great. I think that's what

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it's saying. Yeah, I think
like, what shows would we like to

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be on? Okay, what shows
would we like to be on? Okay,

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all right, you are paper?
Ye ready? It's one two three,

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shoot one three, shoot one two
three, shoot one two three,

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shoot one two three shoot? I
gotcha? Okay, if you got me

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with we both did scissors, we
both did rock. You did scissors,

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I did paper, yes, okay
for those that were listening, So today,

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uh for four each? Okay,
my first one is a no brainer.

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I'm gonna choose The Graham Norton Show, which is a talk show.

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Yes, and I would like to
be on the show, but actually I

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would like to do the hosting of
the show. So so you know,

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it's just wouldn't be the Chris star
Boss show. Why would you be hosting

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Graham Norton's show. Well, if
it's still isn't it still Dick Clark's News

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Eve even though he's dead? Is
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And Ryan Seacrest hosts it. Okay, So he's legendary. Well that just

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means that he probably copyrighted it and
his family owns the right store. That's

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probably what it means. But anyway, the point is is that because every

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other person has like one guest at
the time and and you know there's a

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you know, celebrity factor there,
and then when they're done with that guest,

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they move over, then they just
talk to the new guest. Well,

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Graham Marton doesn't do that. He
was like the whole group four,

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group four four or five huge stars
out and just has them interact with each

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other, which is which is way
better. So I'd like to do that's

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my first one. So you want
to be you want to be hosting the

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Graham Norton? I think not the
Chris star Boss Show. No, No,

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not not at all. You know
why because I want to do it

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for a couple of episodes. Oh, you want to be a guest host?

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You want to be a guest host. That's Graham Norton. That's what

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that makes more sense to me.
So, believe or not, you already

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said it. But of all the
TV shows, I would do The Amazing

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Race. Yeah, I'm sure that's
that'd be my favorite. That's one of

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my favorite shows. Yeah, just
traveling around the world and figuring a race

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like that. Yeah, everything's a
problem, it's fun. Yeah, all

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right, another reality TV show?
Goodness gracious? Uh is it reality?

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Yeah? Well it says reality or
sitcom or any other show. Okay,

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how about this one? I would
like to do. Jesus is hard actually,

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I know, Okay, how about
Uh? So I've been watching Blacklist,

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okay, and Blacklist is very captivating
for me, and so I'm going

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to say Blacklist A and b Reddington
in that show, is that you're just

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going to be a bad guy that
you know, I can't decide whether everybody

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needs I can't decide whether I want
to be reading to or whether I want

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to be like, you know,
uh, wrestler agent wrestler. But either

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way though, you know, it's
it's it's involved in things that are you

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know, the whole world sleeps under
the blanket of your protection, right,

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and you're walking around just making things
happen. So I like that. I

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like that concept. So I'm gonna
pick Blacklist. Okay, I would choose

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the A team Wow. Wow,
just just just swooping in and just shooting

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things. I love it. When
a plane comes together. Yeah, loving

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when a plank comes together. But
you're going you're going deep on that one.

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I love that one. Okay,
how about this one? I would

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love Parenthood? Really is that a
TV show? Yeah? It was,

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yeah, yeah, so it's gone
now, but but yeah, I mean

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it does say, you know,
competition shows, sitcom, Reality TV or

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any other show that's correct. Parenthood. I liked the idea that even though

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it was you know, everybody had
their own drama on dynamics, the family

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coming together, they loved each other. It was always a moral at the

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end that was positive. It was
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other through all their stuff. Okay, good. Uh. I would do

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Josh Gates's Expedition Unknown. What does
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of a show called show on Discovery
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uh investigates legends. It's kind of
neat. Huh. That's awesome, Okay.

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And then my fourth for fourth,
he wished me happy Birthday on my

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fiftieth birthday. Oh that's cool.
So for my fourth one, I don't

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know the name of the show,
and my family is gonna get really mad

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at me for not knowing the name, but it's the Crocodile Hunters kids.

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Oh yeah, right, So they
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they do the zoo and they're zoo
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just you know, teach people about
the animals and the zoo. And I

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love that. I think I would
love to do it for a time,

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right, and then then come back
to the Yeah, I think i'd like

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it. Okay, So man,
I'm having a hard time with my fourth

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one. Yeah, it was tough, tough. So uh as a kid.

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Let me see if I do a
kid one, I would say probably

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night Rider. Wow, yeah,
that's going back away, buddy. Yeah,

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well eighteen and night Rider like the
same time. Weren't they pretty close?

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Yeah? I think I didn't say
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Duke's Hazards. The night Rider is
definitely a fun concept back in the

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day, a talking car, talking
car. I know it was ahead of

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its time. Yeah, no doubt
that. He had amazing hair back then.

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It's called it's the Irwins. That's
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So there you go, Liz.
You can't yell at me now,

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Well, there you go. I
got it. Okay, that was interesting,

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right, there was a little little
insight into our world. You know

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the other one I almost said,
which one was Get Smart? Oh?

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Get Smart? Wow? Back in
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love to Get Smart too, the
original, the original Get Smart, well,

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the remake with Steve Kraus phenomena.
It was funny, but it wasn't

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a TV show, correct correct?
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rock Johnson, although I really do
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like the Beverly Hillbillies. So anyway, that's just a bumpkin trying to figure

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out life. That's that's most of
my life. That's great. Well,

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hey, we are coming pretty close
to the end. Here are we done

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with Job? No? Were the
last episode and so here we come where

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up to this point? Now his
three buddies challenged Job, right, and

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then Job defends himself. We didn't
deal with any of the any of the

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defense. But Job is saying,
listen, I've never stolen anything from orphans,

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raised my hand against them. I
only do good. I don't lie,

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I don't lust after women. I
don't take what's not mine. He

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goes on down to this whole list, the whole chapter of him saying I'm

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a pretty good guy and I'm gonna
stand with a clear conscience. Then Elihu,

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who's a younger guy, comes to
Job and says, I feel like

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you're arrogant. You're bragging a lot. And then he kind of lays out,

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you know, God is going to
be God is a god of justice

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and a lie who really spills this
out, and that God is incredibly powerful.

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So all of these things, and
then finally God speaks up. Okay,

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these people bust in his tops too
long. So God speaks up,

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and this is the Lord's challenge to
Job. And so instead of answering Job's

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questions directly, God asks Job a
series of questions that no human could really

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answer. And so it's a very
very interesting way of God engaging. And

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by the way, that's sort of
the way that Jesus did right. A

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lot of times they would ask him
a question. He'd say, well,

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you can answer me this, and
then they say I can't answer that.

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He said, then I want to
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Right. So this idea of asking
questions and probing an idea is the best

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way to learn to discover. If
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it forever. If it's told you, you'll forget ninety five percent of it

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in three days. Right, we
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why God does that so often,
is if he'll lead you to discover a

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thing, to think a thought,
and then he'll affirm it. And that's

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what he's doing with Job here.
So eventually Job just responds by saying,

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God's ways our best. So here
we go. Then the Lord answered Job

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from a whirlwind. That's kind of
a cool. Yeah, don't even know

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what that means. I think he's
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Yeah, so it sounds like h
And God speaks out of this whirlwind and

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says, who is this that questions
my wisdom with such ignorant words? Brace

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yourself like a man. It's time
to put on your big boy pants.

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That's what he's saying, right,
yep, brace yourself like a man,

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because I have some questions for you, and you must answer them. Where

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were you when I laid the foundations
of the earth? Tell me, if

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you know so much, who determined
its dementia and stretched out the surveying line,

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what supports its foundations, and who
laid its cornerstone as the morning stars

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sang together, and all the angels
shouted for Joy, who kept the sea

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inside its boundaries as it burst from
the womb, And as I clothed it

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with clouds and wrapped it in thick
darkness. For I locked it behind barred

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gates, limiting its shores. I
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you come here? Your proud waves
must stop. Have you ever commanded the

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morning to appear and cause the dawn
to rise in the east? Have you

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made daylight spread to the ends of
the earth to bring an end to the

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night's wickedness? As the light approaches, the earth takes shape like a clay

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pressed beneath the seal. It has
robed in brilliant colors. The light disturbs

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the wicked and stops the arm that
is raised in violence. Have you explored

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the springs from which the seas came? Have you explored their depths? Do

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you know where the gates of death
are located? Have you seen the gates

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of utter gloom? Do you realize
the extent of the earth? Tell me

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about it. If you know where
does light come from and where does darkness

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go? Can you take each each
to its home? Do you know how

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to get there. But of course
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born before it was all created,
and you're so very experienced. God sarcasm

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is a little biting. There is
a little bit, he says. Have

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you visited the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of hail? I

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reserved them as weapons for the time
of trouble, for the day of battle

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and war. Where's the path to
the source of light? Where's the home

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of the east wind? Who created
a channel for the torrents of rain?

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Who laid out the path for the
lightning? Who makes the rain fall on

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bare and land in the desert where
no one lives, Who sends rain to

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satisfy the parts ground and make the
tender grass spring up? Does the rain

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have a father who gives birth to
the dew? Who's the mother of the

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ice? Who gives birth to the
frost from the heavens? For the water

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turns to ice as hard as rock, and the surface of the water freezes.

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Can you direct the movement of the
stars, binding the clusters of pleiades,

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or loosening the cords of Orion?
Can you direct the sequence of the

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seasons, or guide the bear with
her cubs across the heavens. Do you

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know the laws of the universe?
Can you use them to regulate the earth?

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Can you shout to the clouds and
make it rain? Can you make

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a life heightening appear and cause it
to strike as you direct? Who gives

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intuition to the heart and instinct to
the mind. Who's wise enough to count

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all the clouds? Who can tilt
the water jars of heaven when the parts

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ground is dry and the soil is
hardened into clouds? Can you stalk prey

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for a lioness and satisfy the young
lion's appetites as they lie in their dens

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or crouch in the thicket? Who
provides food for the ravens when they're young?

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Cry out to God and wander about
in hunger? I wasn't supposed to

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read those last ones, But no, that's okay, because I mean,

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it's sort of more of the same, right, But God is you know,

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basically going on? In fact,
I read a note here in the

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Life of a It's a heck of
a note. It is awesome, it

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says out of the whirl. When
God spoke, Surprisingly, he didn't answer

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any of Job's questions Job's questions,
because Job's questions were not at the heart

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of the issue. Instead, God
used Job's ignorance of the earth's natural order

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to reveal his ignorance about God's moral
order. If Job did not understand the

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workings of God's physical creation, how
could he possibly understands God's mind and character.

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There is no standard or higher than
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God himself is the standard. Our
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and rest in his care. What
a great note here. You know,

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God used his ignorance of the physical
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that he could not understand God's moral
order. And she whiz. You know,

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if God approaches you and says,
hey, breaks yourself like a man

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because you're gonna have to answer these
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questions that you couldn't possibly understand well, And he goes through the same So

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answer if we went into chapter thirty
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stuff, clouds, rain, the
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creation. Then he gets into animals. He starts talking about the goats and

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the donkey. Who gives a wild
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the deer when they're born in the
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And all that kind of stuff.
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He talks about the horse's strength,
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the horses strength? Who made the
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All these things, and then he
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You still want to argue with the
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do you have the answers? He's
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things I do. Right. This
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advanced concepts of God. I'm saying
donkeys. You can't even tell me why

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donkeys are almost impossible to break and
why they run free? I can't.

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You can't. You can't tell me
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I can you can't? You right, That's what he's doing. He's

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asking him just simple things about nature. Everything he mentions to job, Job

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has probably seen, so these are
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Dude, you know nothing about the
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very little about what you can see. That's what he's doing right, and

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it just I think it's important for
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much and we can't see very far
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is beyond that. Then God goes
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bigger stuff, right, he just
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the whole dinosaur stories, all that
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Now, let's talk about those things
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that you have power that you cannot
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talk about how Job finally humbly responds, you're right, yeah, And and

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you know what that doesn't That doesn't
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does is that it forces you to
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whoo who God is right? And
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I'm the Lord. Let me even
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praying to. I'll never forget when
I did a study on Jesus teaching his

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disciples how to pray. Probably out
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I latched onto the most was the
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prayer, and he said, our
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it would be that name? That? How it means great is your name?

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sorry, I'm opening up a can
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that's not necessarily a prayer to be
memorized and repeated. Although that's not a

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bad thing, it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing to memoriz that

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not that wasn't the point of the
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prayer was this was the building blocks
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the reason why we know that is
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Right. If it was a formulated
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you messed up, don't you know? The Lord's prayer it appears, according

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to the gospels appears maybe he taught
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and he doesn't say it exactly the
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anyway, but how would be your
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let's start by recognizing who God is. And that's exactly the point of Job

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thirty eight and thirty nine. God's
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going to challenge me on this?
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is relevant. This translates to us
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time when we go to God,
isn't it true? We go to God

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and we get right to our wishes
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say, God, you know,
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my list. And what you know
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start with the fact that you want
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praying to. You know, great
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hallowed, you are revered. Didn't
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is the being you all wisdom?
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take a moment to rest in recognizing
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maybe by the time you get to
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they'll be concerning to you because now
you're just recognizing, Hey, I'm in

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communion with you know, the God
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love that idea. And that's really
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right, right, And I think
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was just again looking into some of
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to be kind of the young,
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you know, Richard Dawkins and some
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kind of clustered together, and they
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interesting the older we get, you
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say their names, but recently one
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some of those really strong statements.
He used to make. A friend of

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his became a Christian, which was
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last month, he said, you
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to be anti Christians are the problem
in everything. And he's kind of shifted

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and said, you know, maybe
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I don't think that. But he
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said, you know, almost everything
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know, schools, hospitals, the
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freedom of speech, freedom of religion, you know, the idea to freedom

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to own property, all these things, these are basic Judeo Christian ethical things,

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and so the contribution. So he
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statement there, Hey, we don't
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there you go. That's that's the
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realized I don't know everything. I
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very much. And this is what
God is telling job is he dial it

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back here, buddy, right,
I understand you're frustrated, but where were

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you when I did all these things? I have my own ways, and

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here's challenge. Also in the Life
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the bottom of the page you have
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our problem is we measure measure God
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and God's outside of that law,
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think is right and fair. And
is God good in my definition of what

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is fair? And we've talked about
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in life. And so instead the
correct view of God is that God is

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just. He's the standard by which
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is what he's reminding job is,
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world works, and if you don't
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understand how creation worked, you certainly
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you cannot comprehend it. But God
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some fake sense of fairness. Yeah. And when I when I saw this

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little graph here, that's why we
love the Life Application Study Bible because it

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really lays it out. But the
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when you're looking at it, because
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block that the law of fairness is
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it, as if what we're saying
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underneath it is justice. Well,
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is inside of God right, which
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being opposite from God, we measure
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uh measure justice by God right,
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We try to figure out justice and
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like Joe we try to figure out
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God is that's right right, and
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we're trying to work out God right
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and so what we're doing is we're
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or maybe I could do it for
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eh, real quick. I got
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actually talking about this. So here's
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good morning, Chris. We're so
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out about Job. Blah blah blah
blah blah. Okay, My problem with

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the book is this. I wish
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included. Why because it leaves me
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and Satan. It almost feels like
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horribly guilty for even saying this.
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anything to Satan, and in real
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and we read it thousands of years
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the spiritual realm. And it's a
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for talking like this. So twice, this is what this person says,

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but God says, come and reason
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he talk to Satan and take the
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going to happen and happen in the
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think that God is nothing but love, so so pure that it can't even

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imagine. So he's saying, you
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things. So I wrote back and
I said, I think you were right

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on, right on the money with
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conclusion about God is God? Right, I said, the only other part

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that I think may come into play, and this is a brand new thought,

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okay, I said, the only
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is God's in his sovereignty. He
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to his people to demonstrate his promises
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So in order for the Bible to
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to have humans go through human trials
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respond to God in order for humans
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though I don't know why, I
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the children of Israel often. For
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slavery for nearly four hundred years.
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I sometimes think those early people paid
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his love and example to humans and
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have certain selected people whom he knew
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for us. The reward in heaven
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many of them have made the Hall
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were gods chosen, These were gods
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then the conversation in heaven with God
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and intent that is not apparent.
Well, it seems like it's a chess

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game in the verbiage, it's really
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for me and for billions of others. Yeah, yeah, I think through

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this whole thing he proves that Satan
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your view of all of this is
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as possible, right, And God's
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it's my character. And Job recognized
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it yesterday where he said, when
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come forth as gold. Right,
when I'm tried and purified, then I'll

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come forth as gold. And so
there are some things in our life that

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we can never get there without lifting
up the heavyweight. Right. I was

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just mentioning my shoulders are sort because
I've been doing the you know, I

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worked out this morning. It was
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can't get stronger without carrying the heavyweight. Right. What I want is to

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just be comfortable all the time and
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both, right, And Job was
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man. He got the devil's attention, and so God said, you're wrong,

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devil. You see everything the wrong
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and I'm going to make Job a
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was making Job a better man.
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he lost a wife and his riches, and God is saying, I'm making

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him into a better man. The
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of Job before. He was already
pretty good. But he's gonna come out

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as pure gold too. And so
if we can understand that God allows things

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in our life so we can become
more like Jesus. Right, God's goal

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isn't these seventy years or one hundred
years on this earth. God's goal is

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eternity, and he's refining us from
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what he's doing. And so if
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suffered too, right, and it
went through that. So we just have

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to see it that way. Now, tomorrow here's the cliffhanger. Tomorrow,

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Job has the right answer, and
I think it'll answer some of what that

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question was yesterday. Yeah, because
Job finally acknowledges it. That's right,

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all right, Well, hopefully we
will see you then on the Bible. Guys,