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All right.

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What is up, everybody?

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And welcome to the United

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States Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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And today I am joined with

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my special guest, Mike Scrase.

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I'm saying that correct?

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Yes.

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Perfect.

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Some people are like,

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that's really funny when...

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this is the thing that always comes up.

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First of all,

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we're talking behind the camera.

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Yeah.

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We're live.

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And I was just like, you know what?

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I'm just going to wing it.

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Cause I forgot to ask and I nailed it.

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So I'll take that W in the morning.

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So everybody,

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Mike is the writer of a

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phenomenal comic book called zip.

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It is a, Mike is based in the UK and,

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And this comic is all about

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flawed superhumans.

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And it kind of has the

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undertones of in a

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commentary of being of disability.

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And it's a brilliantly written way.

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Mike has he doesn't present

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these disabilities as as that.

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He has wrapped them in

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superhumans and it is

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phenomenally written.

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The art by San is absolutely phenomenal.

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I love San's artwork.

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The black and white and the

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black and gray is not

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something you see these days.

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But San has absolutely

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nailed the art on this.

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And it is amazing to see, you know,

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a beautiful full color

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cover and a black and white book.

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Absolutely brilliant.

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So, Mike,

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give us your origin story and how

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did comics grab you and

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what led you into writing Zip?

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Well,

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the thing that inspired Zip was

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actually a Cracked.com

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article called Seven

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Awesome Superpowers Ruined by Science.

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And it basically, I mean, if you read that,

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it talks about super speed.

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Our main character has super speed.

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But it's just going through

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a bunch of different

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superpowers and explaining like,

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for example, OK, well,

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if you had super speed,

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you would also need to have

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extremely fast reflexes or

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essentially extremely fast

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mental chronometry,

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which means that that's the

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speed at which you experience time.

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So if you were going to be

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endowed with super speed,

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the world around you would

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need to be perceiving it super slow.

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So everyone would talk like this.

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And, you know, conversely,

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you have to slow yourself

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down to be understood by

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anyone because otherwise

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you sound like a charring chipmunk.

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And you couldn't just turn

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that off because that's not the way that,

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you know,

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reflexes and your mental state works.

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So that's just one of the examples.

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And I read this article and

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I kind of thought, you know,

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it's funny and it's entertaining, but

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Also, you know,

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they're writing it as this

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is just like a cherry pick

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about superhero fiction,

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but it's actually a good

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idea for a story in its own right.

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And I kind of immediately,

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having been born visually impaired myself,

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I immediately sort of saw

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it as an analogy for disability,

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which is why I ended up

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wanting to tell the story I did.

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No, I really enjoyed it.

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And what you were talking

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about with the really slow talking,

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you see that in the first

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issue when she's doing the speed dating.

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Yeah,

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we had to show off how that affects

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Zip in social situations

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and just her daily life.

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I mean,

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you can see she's falling asleep on

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the job because her life

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goes twice as fast as everyone else.

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So she needs to sleep twice

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as often but for half as long.

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So for her,

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a an eight hour shift feels

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like being awake for six, sixteen hours.

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So she would often kind of like nod off or,

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you know,

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and every pretty much every job

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now is customer facing, unfortunately,

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or any every job that's

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easy to get or accessible

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to get is customer facing.

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So, you know,

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you're going to have to be

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talking to people.

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You know,

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imagine having to talk to

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customers in customer

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service or retail all day

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when they sound like that, you know,

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talking a word a minute or something,

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you know?

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Yep, yep.

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Can you... So what inspired

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the concept of imperfect superhumans?

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And did you set out to make

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the disability a central

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part of the story?

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Or was that just kind of

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something that you wanted

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to bring into the picture

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of it when you were writing it?

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No,

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the disabilities were essential from

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the start.

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I mean,

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Zip is the main character and the

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story kind of follows

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things from her perspective,

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but there is an entire

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community of superhumans in this world.

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Basically,

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the ethos that I made the comic

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behind was that the way

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that you can explain it is

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basically if you're a

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superhero or just any

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superpower person in this world,

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you're going to have some

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kind of disability-esque thing that

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comes with your superpowers,

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because the balance of a

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human body is very delicate.

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You know, we've,

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we developed over a very long series of,

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you know,

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small changes in the evolution and

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You change a little thing

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about that and the balance

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gets tipped and the chances

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of it being totally beneficial are very,

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very slim.

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So, for example,

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I mentioned I was visually impaired,

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but I actually was born

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without any irises at all.

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Do you know what irises are?

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That's the central part of the eye, right?

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No, it's the opposite.

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It's the outer part.

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So the colored part, yeah.

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And what the iris does is it

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contracts and expands to

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allow light to get in,

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like an aperture on a camera.

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So in the dark, your eyes become smaller,

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and your pupil dilates to

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allow more light to get in

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to make it easier to see.

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And when it's bright,

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it will contract and let less light in.

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But I have no irises at all.

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So I don't even have the

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part that you always have

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when it gets small.

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So my eyes are letting in

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more light than anyone

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you've ever met in your entire life,

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and probably anyone your

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audience has ever met in

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their entire life.

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I'm not joking.

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It's rare enough that that's

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probably true.

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So I've got very,

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very good low light vision,

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like literally better low

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light vision than anyone you've ever met.

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But also,

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it does mean that I never leave

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the house without sunglasses.

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And also,

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the absence of an iris makes my

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eye a different shape,

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so the lenses in my eyes

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aren't aligned with the...

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curvature of my eyeball

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correct I believe that's

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how it works um yeah I mean

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I'm just regurgitating what

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doctors told me I don't

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know like the deep you know

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medicine type you know

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medical type things but I

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just know what I've been

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told but um so it creates

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like very much uh

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short-sightedness um okay

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uh and there's other things

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with it because it's a

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genetic mutation as well so

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I've got first-hand

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experience of how yeah

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genetic mutation can be

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beneficial but you're very

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rarely gonna have

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you know,

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experience that without some kind

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of consequence.

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I think I've completely

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forgotten what the original

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point I was gonna make was,

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but that's essentially- No, no.

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I think you, the question was,

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what inspired the concept

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of imperfect superhumans in

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your story with Zip?

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Yeah.

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How did disability kind of

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become that central part of the story?

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Yeah, well,

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I think the other thing I was

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going to say is what I

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wanted to say with the

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comic is that we have a

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sort of like society has a

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certain way of thinking

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about disabled people.

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where you know we're either

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like props to inspire

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people or we're totally

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helpless or something like

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that and I kind of wanted

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to take a look at a um

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genre that's uh you know

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typically sees a type of

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human being that is um

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quote unquote you know

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above a regular human a

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superhuman um and you know

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show that even if they are super

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The mere fact that they're

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abnormal and so that it's

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harder for them to fit into

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society means that they will struggle.

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And so kind of the point is

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that it's not necessarily

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even that disabled people are, you know,

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like helpless.

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It's just that because we

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don't fit into that mold,

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that's the difficulty.

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And if we could just accept

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a greater diversity of

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experiences for all people,

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then disabled people

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wouldn't have such a big issue.

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OK.

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So you remember when you

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first emailed me that you were like, hey,

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you noticed it because I

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had interviewed Bruno Caterino?

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with Bereavement and how we

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both backed that project.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember.

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So Bruno, like,

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legit just replied on Blue Sky.

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He was like, oh, I have Zip.

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A couple of issues that he

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picked up a few months ago

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when y'all were both at a con together.

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Oh, yeah, wow.

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And y'all had a lovely chat together,

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so that's really dope.

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I didn't know that he was local.

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I just backed Bereavement on Kickstarter.

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I had no idea he was local.

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Maybe I did and I forgot, but yeah.

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That must have been Bristol

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Con at Ashton Gate.

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It might have been, yeah.

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Yeah.

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He was telling me that he was there.

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Yeah.

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yeah that's cool well um it

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was just one of those weird

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things that popped up he

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was like oh I have this I

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was like oh well that's a

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full circle for me because

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you literally emailed me

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because of bereavement with

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Bruno yeah and now here we

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are having a conversation

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and Bruno hops in and says hey

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I just got to meet him.

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Great dude.

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We had a great chat and I

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picked up a couple of issues.

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So I know he's got a new

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Kickstarter starting up soon here too.

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So hopefully he'll hit me up

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and I can have him back on

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for the third time.

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Yeah.

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He's always a delight to have on.

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I mean,

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if he's now I'm starting to think

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maybe he's I mean,

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I don't even know because I

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don't even know if

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technically Kickstarter allows this,

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but he's local.

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Maybe we can do like a comic

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swap and do like a bundle

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thing on our campaign.

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I'm going to have to.

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This is not this is not for this.

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I'm going to have to look

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down the road from you.

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Possibly, possibly.

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I'm not going to say where

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we're down the road from you, but.

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I don't want y'all to burn yourselves here,

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but so did you base any of

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the characters or moments

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in your book on real people or events?

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I don't know why people do that.

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They were like, oh,

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because I had just had Nick

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on who does Videlirium.

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Yeah,

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I know he bases a lot of characters

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and like they're

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their appearances and their

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personalities on characters that he knows,

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like people that he knows.

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So people in his book, in his comic book,

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some of them are based on

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real people that he knows in his life.

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So did you do that as well?

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I think that I would have to

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say that basically every

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character I've ever written

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is at least somewhat based

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on a real person I've met in real life.

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um I mean it's not like

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you're gonna go and open

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the book and go oh that's

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you've just you know that's

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literally just someone that

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you've copied and pasted

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from your real life that's

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not gonna happen I mean

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it's not you know obviously

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I couldn't say that anyway

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because I'd be open to

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deformation if I did but I

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mean I I haven't um but uh

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there are definitely people

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that I've based characters

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I mean um you know it's

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just like you kind of have

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to uh the only other option is to base um

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things on characters from other fiction,

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which is fine, but, you know,

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it kind of becomes like a

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snake eating its own tail

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type of thing with that.

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Yeah,

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you don't want to get hit for

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plagiarism either.

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Well, yeah, but also,

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you know... People are able to, like,

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point that out.

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I mean,

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you can get away with that if you

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can take from enough

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sources and composite, but also, you know,

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I mean,

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there are a lot of tropes that in...

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fiction that have developed

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just because they they've

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gotten away like artists

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being inspired by other

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artists and then we've

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invented things that

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everybody agrees oh yeah

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that happens doesn't it but

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it doesn't happen it's just

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like for example orphanages

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as I understand it

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orphanages as we see them

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in movies barely exist in

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real life but so many

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people have been inspired

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by other people with

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stories where they exist

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it's just like we've just

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invented a fake thing I

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mean I don't know anything

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about it myself but like

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I've heard that that's the case

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But for me, I mean,

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the only place where I've

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seen an actual orphanage

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similar to what we see in

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movies was in Asia.

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Right.

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And that's been the only

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place where I've seen like

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an actual full building.

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Well, like I say,

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I don't really know much

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about it to be honest,

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but I just heard that that's the case.

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But I mean, for example,

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like the main character Zip,

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she is very insecure and my

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partner is very insecure

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and I've got a lot of insecurities too.

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So when she's responding to something or,

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or reacting to something in

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an insecure way,

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and I need to think of what

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dialogue to write or what

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words to use to express the

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idiosyncrasies of her own

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lexicon of speech, I will say to myself,

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how would my partner,

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How would my partner react to that?

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And then there's more specific examples.

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So, for example, in the second issue,

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Zip comes across or clashes

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with a martial artist

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called Mr. Untouchable.

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who is someone who's had

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brittle bone disease,

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and in order to get revenge

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on a bunch of people who, you know,

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tormented him in his youth,

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he's trained in martial arts so well,

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he's gotten so good at it,

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that if he sees a cat attack coming,

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he can dodge or just

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counter every single one.

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And the comic kind of deals

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with his origin in his youth.

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There's a bit where he's taken into,

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because he's dealing with

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bullies in his school,

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and he's taken into his

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head teacher's office.

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And the head teacher,

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there's a moment where he says,

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look at me when you're talking to me.

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And I don't even know if I

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necessarily made it explicit enough,

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but the thing is the reason

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that I had him say that

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specific thing was because

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when you're disabled and

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you're with somebody and

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you're asking for

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accessibility in a place or

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something like that,

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you'll be surprised how often

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the second that you tell

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somebody you're disabled

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they find out they'll start

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talking to your partner or

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your friend or whoever

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you're with instead of you

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and asking them what you

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need or asking you know or

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telling them important

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information instead of you

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as if they're like your

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carer and you can't

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understand you know what

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the information or

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understand the question.

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So, uh,

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the reason I had him say that is

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because I'm like, well, this,

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in this scene, the,

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that his head teacher is

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talking to his mother rather than him,

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even though he's the one being discussed,

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he's right there in the

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room and they're just, you know,

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he's avoiding him.

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Yeah.

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Well, not even just avoid,

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it's just acting like his

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mother is the only one who

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can understand what

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know it's being talked about

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I mean like they've got

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there's so many examples I

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don't know if you could

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necessarily necessarily sit

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here and list them all

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because it would take

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forever but like yeah I

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mean writing organic

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dialogue I all the time I

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have to think um what who

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have I met in real life

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that can be applied to you

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know think about when I decide

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how this person would react

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and what words they would

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use to express the, you know,

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that thing all the time.

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Okay.

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So we are, so we're getting,

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you're getting ready to drop issue four.

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Do you have a date yet when

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you're going to be launching that on?

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No, I think everybody's,

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pretty much in agreement in

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that Kickstarter has been

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rough for a while.

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So what I am doing at the

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moment is building up

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pre-launch followers to get

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a gauge of how many backers

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I can actually expect.

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So at the moment I don't have a set date.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I'm hoping around about August,

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September,

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but I'm looking at that

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follower account and using

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that to figure out when we

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are actually going to go live.

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I mean,

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you sent me the... I'm guessing

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it's the draft?

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Or the almost finished copy of four?

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Yeah, that was a draft.

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There's a few things we need to tie it up.

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So, how did... No spoilers.

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How did you set the stage

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from issues one through

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three going into four?

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Because I know in the first three,

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Zip is kind of...

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She's got a lot of self-doubt,

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but I noticed in four,

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she's really kind of

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starting to come along with that.

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She's starting to find a

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little bit more confidence

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and that kind of stuff.

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So how did you set that

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stage in the first three to

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get to where you're at right now in four?

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Yeah, well, I mean,

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obviously that's the

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journey that a character goes on,

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you know, the character arc.

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So in the first one, I mean,

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I really wanted to make the first one

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as typically a day in life

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and then zip's life as

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possible I mean the story

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is called a day in the life

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um so I was like you know

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she's not gonna she's not

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gonna go up against any

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like super villains she's

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not gonna clash against

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anything big or you know

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spectacular I mean she's

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they're still gonna be big

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and spectacular things that

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happen in the story

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But it's going to be more

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down to earth for this one,

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just to kind of establish a baseline.

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Yeah.

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But we're also going to meet

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Pinstripe and Dog's Body,

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two of my favorite characters who... Yeah,

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they were...

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They're your basic goons,

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the way I've seen them.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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Goon squad, basically.

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Yeah.

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I love their dynamic and

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their interactions with each other.

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It's very like two bros just

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hanging out and working.

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Well, what do you mean?

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barbed back and forth.

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When you say, I mean, like,

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when you think of a pair of goons,

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you think of, like,

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two people who are

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explicitly criminal and are explicitly,

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you know, evil.

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They aren't really.

00:21:19.647 --> 00:21:23.789
They are working for a big

00:21:23.829 --> 00:21:26.112
corporation that is

00:21:26.152 --> 00:21:29.292
definitely not... are

00:21:29.333 --> 00:21:30.233
definitely not the good guys.

00:21:30.253 --> 00:21:31.374
I wouldn't call them the good guys,

00:21:31.894 --> 00:21:32.914
but I also wouldn't call

00:21:32.954 --> 00:21:36.017
them bad guys because they are...

00:21:37.414 --> 00:21:38.355
They're just two people who

00:21:38.395 --> 00:21:39.415
are caught up in something

00:21:39.476 --> 00:21:41.317
much bigger than themselves.

00:21:42.718 --> 00:21:44.538
Pinstripe, particularly,

00:21:45.338 --> 00:21:46.660
I wouldn't call a good guy

00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:50.342
because Pinstripe is, you know,

00:21:50.402 --> 00:21:52.643
he's maybe been raised a

00:21:52.702 --> 00:21:54.384
certain way and he could

00:21:54.423 --> 00:21:55.763
probably do with some growing.

00:21:56.545 --> 00:21:58.645
And there are certainly people, you know,

00:21:58.806 --> 00:22:02.248
especially, you know, women, you know,

00:22:02.307 --> 00:22:02.367
who,

00:22:03.452 --> 00:22:04.153
may not have the best

00:22:04.212 --> 00:22:05.574
experience with pinched

00:22:05.614 --> 00:22:10.215
right um but I mean he's

00:22:10.276 --> 00:22:13.116
not a cackling mustache

00:22:13.136 --> 00:22:15.218
twirling no no he's really

00:22:15.238 --> 00:22:18.038
he's just he's he's someone

00:22:18.058 --> 00:22:19.159
that you could feasibly

00:22:19.598 --> 00:22:20.460
meet and that doesn't

00:22:20.500 --> 00:22:22.039
necessarily mean that you

00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:23.721
know that person that you

00:22:23.740 --> 00:22:26.422
could meet is you know just

00:22:26.461 --> 00:22:27.602
absolved of everything but

00:22:28.021 --> 00:22:31.824
he's not you know he's not

00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:35.102
like a force of evil.

00:22:35.142 --> 00:22:38.746
He's just kind of a guy who's, like I say,

00:22:38.806 --> 00:22:39.827
caught up in something

00:22:39.847 --> 00:22:40.709
bigger than himself.

00:22:44.441 --> 00:22:45.641
But yeah, I think we were talking about,

00:22:45.842 --> 00:22:46.981
so the second issue,

00:22:47.162 --> 00:22:48.922
we move on and we learn

00:22:48.981 --> 00:22:50.903
more about Zip's childhood.

00:22:51.883 --> 00:22:53.202
And we introduced Mr. Untouchable,

00:22:53.242 --> 00:22:54.223
as I said before.

00:22:54.703 --> 00:22:56.683
And their pasts kind of

00:22:56.763 --> 00:22:58.765
intertwine and we see the

00:22:58.865 --> 00:23:00.085
parallels between them.

00:23:01.325 --> 00:23:02.625
And then the third issue,

00:23:03.665 --> 00:23:05.105
Pinch Drive and Dog's Body Come Back,

00:23:05.145 --> 00:23:06.326
because we see a little bit

00:23:06.405 --> 00:23:07.747
more about the corporation

00:23:07.846 --> 00:23:08.646
they're working for.

00:23:09.207 --> 00:23:10.126
And that corporation is

00:23:10.146 --> 00:23:12.567
developing a collective of

00:23:13.307 --> 00:23:14.209
basically artificial

00:23:14.229 --> 00:23:15.169
intelligence called the

00:23:15.209 --> 00:23:17.391
hive which manifests itself

00:23:17.431 --> 00:23:19.912
through nanobots that break

00:23:19.932 --> 00:23:22.114
down consumer products uh

00:23:22.834 --> 00:23:23.855
atomize those consumer

00:23:23.894 --> 00:23:25.115
products and then analyze

00:23:25.536 --> 00:23:27.576
what they've atomized uh to

00:23:27.678 --> 00:23:29.358
scrub it for training data

00:23:29.818 --> 00:23:31.400
and then um basically take

00:23:31.460 --> 00:23:32.221
all of the training data

00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:33.842
they've ever accumulated

00:23:34.041 --> 00:23:36.983
and rebuild hybrid products

00:23:37.064 --> 00:23:38.744
like new quote unquote products

00:23:39.765 --> 00:23:41.066
for sale on the market.

00:23:41.605 --> 00:23:42.226
However,

00:23:42.625 --> 00:23:47.146
the hive is programmed to seek out

00:23:47.186 --> 00:23:49.387
the most complex objects it can find,

00:23:49.647 --> 00:23:50.728
and it quickly determines

00:23:50.748 --> 00:23:51.627
that the most complex

00:23:51.728 --> 00:23:54.068
objects it can find are human beings.

00:23:56.109 --> 00:23:59.210
So this corporation goes, oh,

00:23:59.230 --> 00:23:59.871
it's too dangerous.

00:23:59.891 --> 00:24:01.270
We're going to have to keep

00:24:01.310 --> 00:24:02.931
this confined for a bit,

00:24:02.951 --> 00:24:03.731
try and sell it to

00:24:03.751 --> 00:24:05.112
investors anyway so that we

00:24:05.132 --> 00:24:07.732
can get some money to work

00:24:07.772 --> 00:24:08.373
on this problem.

00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:11.560
However, Pinstripe,

00:24:12.080 --> 00:24:13.561
now looking for Zip and

00:24:13.602 --> 00:24:14.803
trying to track her down so

00:24:14.823 --> 00:24:16.824
that he can get himself in

00:24:16.864 --> 00:24:18.505
good with his superiors and

00:24:18.525 --> 00:24:20.246
find himself a promotion,

00:24:21.086 --> 00:24:22.948
accidentally hacks into a

00:24:23.008 --> 00:24:24.147
server that the Hive is

00:24:24.167 --> 00:24:27.931
contained into and unleashes it.

00:24:28.211 --> 00:24:29.971
So Zip and the Hive clash.

00:24:31.673 --> 00:24:32.953
And so issue four begins

00:24:33.034 --> 00:24:36.454
with the aftermath of Zip's

00:24:37.115 --> 00:24:38.016
battle with the Hive.

00:24:39.217 --> 00:24:40.317
That was a really good issue.

00:24:40.436 --> 00:24:42.157
I really liked that issue.

00:24:42.178 --> 00:24:43.818
The concept of the Hive, yeah.

00:24:43.838 --> 00:24:46.339
The concept of the Hive was really good.

00:24:46.700 --> 00:24:47.180
Oh, thank you.

00:24:47.580 --> 00:24:50.541
I really enjoyed them too, yeah.

00:24:51.416 --> 00:24:51.537
I mean,

00:24:51.557 --> 00:24:52.837
we can talk about Hive more in a

00:24:52.877 --> 00:24:54.577
bit if you want, but... Yeah,

00:24:54.597 --> 00:24:56.638
we can do that in a bit.

00:24:56.659 --> 00:24:57.318
Issue four,

00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.721
basically in the aftermath of

00:25:00.800 --> 00:25:01.401
all that stuff,

00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:03.721
Zip connects with the wider

00:25:03.761 --> 00:25:06.323
superhuman community that

00:25:06.363 --> 00:25:07.903
she's been kind of

00:25:07.942 --> 00:25:09.263
separated from for a long time.

00:25:10.763 --> 00:25:12.224
Pinstripe and Dog's Body are

00:25:12.244 --> 00:25:13.404
back again because they are

00:25:13.424 --> 00:25:15.526
important and they are this

00:25:15.586 --> 00:25:18.067
time mucking about with the

00:25:18.106 --> 00:25:19.267
fabric of the universe.

00:25:21.468 --> 00:25:22.669
Their new experiment that

00:25:22.689 --> 00:25:23.749
they've been assigned to do

00:25:24.288 --> 00:25:27.009
is one that is the aim of

00:25:27.069 --> 00:25:28.530
it is to unlock one of the

00:25:28.951 --> 00:25:32.231
elusive technologies out of

00:25:32.271 --> 00:25:36.273
all history and that is time travel.

00:25:36.334 --> 00:25:36.773
That was

00:25:40.204 --> 00:25:42.246
I really like that concept

00:25:42.266 --> 00:25:44.086
that you have going in issue four.

00:25:47.227 --> 00:25:49.208
Especially because this guy

00:25:49.228 --> 00:25:50.387
was just trying to,

00:25:51.548 --> 00:25:52.868
for lack of a better term,

00:25:53.209 --> 00:25:54.528
and I don't want to give too much away.

00:25:55.789 --> 00:25:57.309
He was not having a good day

00:25:57.349 --> 00:25:58.990
when he was on top of that bridge.

00:26:00.391 --> 00:26:01.872
Yeah.

00:26:02.951 --> 00:26:05.153
And then the way it almost

00:26:05.192 --> 00:26:07.834
felt like a little bit of a

00:26:07.913 --> 00:26:09.114
time jump a little bit.

00:26:10.042 --> 00:26:11.104
but I definitely had to go

00:26:11.144 --> 00:26:13.184
back a couple of pages and I was like, oh,

00:26:13.265 --> 00:26:14.865
it did work.

00:26:14.925 --> 00:26:16.446
That's where we're at right now.

00:26:16.926 --> 00:26:18.028
Cause my brain wasn't

00:26:18.087 --> 00:26:18.988
bringing this morning.

00:26:19.008 --> 00:26:19.989
I don't think I had enough

00:26:20.028 --> 00:26:21.128
coffee at that point.

00:26:22.170 --> 00:26:23.750
I went back and I reread it again.

00:26:23.790 --> 00:26:27.792
I was just like, ah, I see where it,

00:26:27.833 --> 00:26:28.814
why it did work.

00:26:29.213 --> 00:26:30.855
I think time travel, um,

00:26:31.553 --> 00:26:33.054
can be a bit that way,

00:26:33.294 --> 00:26:36.576
especially with some people.

00:26:36.596 --> 00:26:38.519
I think I'm such a big fan

00:26:38.538 --> 00:26:39.479
of time travel fiction.

00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:40.820
I've seen enough of time

00:26:40.840 --> 00:26:42.781
travel stories where I can just go, ah,

00:26:42.821 --> 00:26:43.962
yes, right away.

00:26:44.002 --> 00:26:45.064
But for some people,

00:26:46.244 --> 00:26:47.645
time travel can be a kind of, I mean,

00:26:47.705 --> 00:26:48.626
it is a difficult thing to

00:26:48.646 --> 00:26:50.387
wrap your head around, really.

00:26:50.448 --> 00:26:51.189
It really is.

00:26:53.451 --> 00:26:54.372
And I'm not really obeying

00:26:54.432 --> 00:26:55.732
the rules that other

00:26:56.333 --> 00:26:58.375
fiction really obeys with time travel.

00:26:59.022 --> 00:26:59.864
in the great thing about

00:26:59.903 --> 00:27:02.184
that is you don't have to Yeah, well,

00:27:02.224 --> 00:27:03.566
I mean, I've had so many people,

00:27:03.925 --> 00:27:05.886
I've had people read time travel stories,

00:27:05.967 --> 00:27:08.729
and I've read in the past, and say, Oh,

00:27:08.749 --> 00:27:10.130
but that's not how time travel works.

00:27:10.170 --> 00:27:11.470
And I've always responded, well,

00:27:11.671 --> 00:27:13.372
please present your working time machine,

00:27:14.051 --> 00:27:15.932
so that you can show me that actually,

00:27:16.053 --> 00:27:18.013
exactly, exactly.

00:27:18.034 --> 00:27:18.974
I thought Bruno

00:27:20.116 --> 00:27:20.917
We were talking about Bruno

00:27:20.998 --> 00:27:22.640
earlier in that previous

00:27:22.700 --> 00:27:24.182
anthology that he did.

00:27:24.842 --> 00:27:26.304
He's got a time travel story

00:27:26.364 --> 00:27:29.446
in there that is really good.

00:27:31.490 --> 00:27:32.190
It's more of a...

00:27:34.376 --> 00:27:36.858
about a hard-headed dude who

00:27:36.878 --> 00:27:38.421
wanted to do something his own way.

00:27:38.441 --> 00:27:38.861
Right.

00:27:40.142 --> 00:27:42.223
But he always makes kind of

00:27:42.243 --> 00:27:43.986
like the same mistake when he does it.

00:27:44.006 --> 00:27:44.346
Yeah.

00:27:44.886 --> 00:27:45.968
And there's always like

00:27:46.028 --> 00:27:47.308
another person going behind

00:27:47.348 --> 00:27:48.390
him and correcting it and

00:27:48.430 --> 00:27:49.590
reminding him like, hey, dude,

00:27:49.631 --> 00:27:53.114
you have to do this to make this work.

00:27:53.134 --> 00:27:53.454
Right.

00:27:53.894 --> 00:27:54.055
Well,

00:27:54.095 --> 00:27:56.115
he thought he would be smart and try

00:27:56.135 --> 00:28:00.199
to jump into the future, learn something,

00:28:00.219 --> 00:28:01.499
and then jump back because

00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:03.380
it would be instantaneous.

00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.582
And he, again,

00:28:06.942 --> 00:28:08.383
didn't listen to the person

00:28:09.163 --> 00:28:10.183
and did it wrong.

00:28:10.984 --> 00:28:12.806
So when he made the jump,

00:28:13.246 --> 00:28:14.767
he didn't include the one

00:28:14.826 --> 00:28:16.126
number that he needed to include.

00:28:16.146 --> 00:28:19.449
So when he jumped, he messed himself up.

00:28:19.808 --> 00:28:20.910
It's a really –

00:28:22.717 --> 00:28:24.778
really good story but all

00:28:24.817 --> 00:28:26.157
the time travel is like

00:28:26.657 --> 00:28:27.498
everybody's got a little

00:28:27.538 --> 00:28:29.439
different twist to it but

00:28:29.499 --> 00:28:31.679
nobody's wrong and it and

00:28:31.739 --> 00:28:33.680
it's like it can be done

00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:35.960
really really good or

00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.520
really really just bad and

00:28:38.560 --> 00:28:41.241
you nailed it yeah it's a

00:28:41.281 --> 00:28:42.481
great concept the way you

00:28:42.561 --> 00:28:44.882
did it and the story that

00:28:44.922 --> 00:28:45.982
you brought with it was

00:28:46.042 --> 00:28:47.222
really cool too I thought

00:28:48.634 --> 00:28:50.136
yeah thank you um because I

00:28:50.156 --> 00:28:51.278
mean the guy is just he

00:28:51.317 --> 00:28:53.461
wants to help himself you

00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.222
know yeah so he took his

00:28:56.404 --> 00:28:57.625
that chance that he had

00:28:57.705 --> 00:29:00.308
just been given to fits it

00:29:02.833 --> 00:29:03.733
so it was good heart and

00:29:03.753 --> 00:29:05.256
good intentions even though

00:29:05.296 --> 00:29:06.978
he was having a very bad day that day

00:29:07.717 --> 00:29:08.877
If you're talking about

00:29:10.178 --> 00:29:12.319
basing characters on real people,

00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:14.181
the guy in that comic was

00:29:14.221 --> 00:29:15.221
based on a real person.

00:29:16.281 --> 00:29:18.603
I read a news story about an

00:29:18.663 --> 00:29:21.964
ex-con who had murdered somebody,

00:29:23.326 --> 00:29:23.946
and they

00:29:26.451 --> 00:29:27.932
after getting out of prison

00:29:27.972 --> 00:29:29.334
for a life sentence,

00:29:29.634 --> 00:29:30.693
that they were basically,

00:29:30.733 --> 00:29:31.875
it was almost kind of like

00:29:31.934 --> 00:29:32.976
an opinion piece,

00:29:32.996 --> 00:29:34.016
but it was more like sort

00:29:34.675 --> 00:29:36.297
of a personal experience

00:29:36.317 --> 00:29:37.077
type article where they

00:29:37.097 --> 00:29:37.637
were talking to a

00:29:37.698 --> 00:29:39.979
journalist and expressing their views.

00:29:39.999 --> 00:29:43.520
And they were talking about,

00:29:44.401 --> 00:29:45.102
your friends are gonna

00:29:45.142 --> 00:29:47.143
forget about you pretty

00:29:47.163 --> 00:29:48.343
quickly when you're in prison.

00:29:50.605 --> 00:29:52.085
So it's really not worth it

00:29:52.105 --> 00:29:54.406
to just act like a tough guy.

00:29:57.421 --> 00:29:59.741
So what is something that

00:29:59.821 --> 00:30:02.702
readers often miss on the

00:30:02.722 --> 00:30:04.423
first read through that you

00:30:04.442 --> 00:30:06.163
wish they would catch in your books?

00:30:09.325 --> 00:30:10.224
I think that like,

00:30:11.665 --> 00:30:13.965
I think everybody who's

00:30:14.146 --> 00:30:17.047
expressed opinions about it,

00:30:17.327 --> 00:30:20.808
like out loud has been pretty good.

00:30:20.909 --> 00:30:21.689
I mean, like I've had,

00:30:22.489 --> 00:30:23.809
We've had Amazon reviews

00:30:23.869 --> 00:30:25.251
that have pointed out

00:30:25.291 --> 00:30:26.452
things about the book that

00:30:26.512 --> 00:30:28.334
I didn't intend, and I've gone, oh,

00:30:28.354 --> 00:30:29.194
that's a really good point.

00:30:29.275 --> 00:30:30.215
I'm going to just write that

00:30:30.236 --> 00:30:31.497
down in my notebook for later.

00:30:31.517 --> 00:30:34.359
Hey, that's what's great about it, right?

00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:34.460
Yeah.

00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.642
You can do that.

00:30:36.721 --> 00:30:38.323
Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I mean,

00:30:38.363 --> 00:30:43.717
I've had – I think the thing that was –

00:30:43.384 --> 00:30:44.286
Really, really.

00:30:44.306 --> 00:30:46.229
Because I was doing Zip as a

00:30:46.269 --> 00:30:47.329
webcomic before.

00:30:48.432 --> 00:30:50.294
It was in the form it currently is.

00:30:50.334 --> 00:30:52.056
So the idea has been around

00:30:52.076 --> 00:30:53.096
for a really long time.

00:30:54.398 --> 00:30:58.483
And before I was estranged from my mother,

00:30:59.726 --> 00:31:00.747
she read the story.

00:31:01.708 --> 00:31:04.529
uh and she kind of said to

00:31:04.549 --> 00:31:05.509
me well mike don't forget

00:31:05.529 --> 00:31:07.131
there are real heroes uh

00:31:07.651 --> 00:31:09.071
who existed in real life

00:31:09.112 --> 00:31:09.752
who is like your

00:31:09.772 --> 00:31:10.952
grandfather who fought in

00:31:11.233 --> 00:31:12.953
world war ii and I just

00:31:13.375 --> 00:31:14.494
completely couldn't believe

00:31:14.515 --> 00:31:15.395
that she said that because

00:31:15.415 --> 00:31:17.616
it's like do you who do you

00:31:17.636 --> 00:31:19.218
think that the character

00:31:19.258 --> 00:31:20.578
who do you think eternity

00:31:21.459 --> 00:31:23.240
takes inspiration from

00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.441
that's really dope like I

00:31:25.461 --> 00:31:26.281
was she was like she

00:31:26.362 --> 00:31:27.883
literally brought up the per like

00:31:29.056 --> 00:31:30.480
the person who inspired one

00:31:30.521 --> 00:31:33.733
of the main characters in the book,

00:31:34.897 --> 00:31:37.180
and then didn't even notice

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.980
that they were in the book.

00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:39.961
So I think probably that.

00:31:41.001 --> 00:31:42.403
Yeah, and you do mention that,

00:31:43.703 --> 00:31:44.765
the work he did in World

00:31:44.805 --> 00:31:46.566
War II in the book itself.

00:31:46.726 --> 00:31:47.465
Yeah, I mean,

00:31:47.507 --> 00:31:48.866
it's not like... But that's

00:31:48.906 --> 00:31:50.288
really cool that I know that,

00:31:50.327 --> 00:31:52.230
that you based him off your grandpa,

00:31:52.710 --> 00:31:54.090
and he fought in World War II,

00:31:54.131 --> 00:31:55.711
and you even base the character.

00:31:55.771 --> 00:31:57.032
You say that his character

00:31:57.073 --> 00:31:58.733
did great work in World War II.

00:31:59.173 --> 00:32:00.075
So that's really cool that

00:32:00.454 --> 00:32:02.876
you gave those flowers to him that way.

00:32:03.597 --> 00:32:03.817
Well,

00:32:04.719 --> 00:32:08.002
you will see more about what happened

00:32:08.063 --> 00:32:09.463
and why that's important.

00:32:10.105 --> 00:32:10.724
It's not just something

00:32:10.744 --> 00:32:11.905
we're dropping in there as

00:32:11.925 --> 00:32:14.308
a random fact as, oh, that's interesting.

00:32:14.348 --> 00:32:15.029
So then that's going to

00:32:15.069 --> 00:32:16.131
become very important.

00:32:17.520 --> 00:32:18.000
later on.

00:32:18.221 --> 00:32:19.201
There are a lot of little

00:32:19.261 --> 00:32:21.582
details that you will see

00:32:22.403 --> 00:32:25.143
in our issues so far that

00:32:25.564 --> 00:32:27.804
will become very important later on.

00:32:28.263 --> 00:32:29.785
I didn't want to make them

00:32:29.825 --> 00:32:31.765
too in your face because it

00:32:31.785 --> 00:32:32.645
would just distract from

00:32:32.685 --> 00:32:35.066
the story that we're telling right now.

00:32:35.605 --> 00:32:37.126
But there are a lot of seeds

00:32:37.386 --> 00:32:38.767
and a lot of little teeny

00:32:38.807 --> 00:32:41.728
mysteries that I'm sprinkling in there.

00:32:42.807 --> 00:32:44.568
You're going with the George Lucas effect.

00:32:45.470 --> 00:32:45.930
Yeah, I mean,

00:32:45.990 --> 00:32:47.810
I know that there's a kind of like,

00:32:49.392 --> 00:32:49.672
I mean,

00:32:49.692 --> 00:32:52.054
there's that JJ Abrams mystery box thing.

00:32:52.074 --> 00:32:52.634
But the trouble with the

00:32:52.653 --> 00:32:53.814
mystery box is oftentimes

00:32:53.834 --> 00:32:55.714
they don't have a plan for

00:32:56.336 --> 00:32:58.696
what exactly it's going to be.

00:32:59.017 --> 00:32:59.217
I mean,

00:32:59.436 --> 00:33:01.438
I'm not talking about things I'm

00:33:01.478 --> 00:33:02.858
sprinkling in there that I don't know.

00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.740
what's going to happen at all.

00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:06.920
Sometimes there might be

00:33:06.961 --> 00:33:08.840
things that I readjust and rework,

00:33:09.320 --> 00:33:10.240
but I do have a plan.

00:33:10.681 --> 00:33:11.520
It's not that that plan is

00:33:11.560 --> 00:33:13.961
completely inflexible, but I have a plan.

00:33:15.321 --> 00:33:17.123
So when something gets

00:33:17.182 --> 00:33:18.303
mentioned and it doesn't

00:33:18.343 --> 00:33:20.303
really appear to do, you know,

00:33:20.442 --> 00:33:21.363
further the story or have

00:33:21.383 --> 00:33:24.104
anything to do with the issue at all,

00:33:25.163 --> 00:33:26.384
I hope that doesn't happen too often.

00:33:26.423 --> 00:33:27.365
But when it does happen,

00:33:29.539 --> 00:33:31.861
you might just have in the

00:33:31.881 --> 00:33:32.800
back of your mind that

00:33:33.181 --> 00:33:35.162
that's not necessarily irrelevant.

00:33:35.182 --> 00:33:37.583
That's probably, I mean,

00:33:37.603 --> 00:33:39.144
definitely coming back.

00:33:40.503 --> 00:33:40.564
OK.

00:33:40.584 --> 00:33:41.704
Yeah, no, you can,

00:33:42.384 --> 00:33:43.586
I like it because you can,

00:33:45.326 --> 00:33:46.227
like when she met,

00:33:46.446 --> 00:33:48.307
I think it was issue three

00:33:48.346 --> 00:33:50.528
with the nanobots, when she met,

00:33:50.807 --> 00:33:51.989
I think his name was Flame.

00:33:52.936 --> 00:33:54.999
His name was Sunflare.

00:33:55.419 --> 00:33:56.839
It's very difficult to come

00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.321
up with a superhero name

00:33:58.342 --> 00:34:01.944
that hasn't been done before.

00:34:05.007 --> 00:34:07.828
Where was I going with that?

00:34:08.050 --> 00:34:10.291
She met him and we were

00:34:10.311 --> 00:34:11.873
talking about sprinkling in details.

00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:12.780
Yes,

00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.222
because he was the one that was

00:34:15.242 --> 00:34:17.184
talking about her grandfather,

00:34:17.204 --> 00:34:17.885
I believe it was,

00:34:17.945 --> 00:34:18.985
and the stuff that he did

00:34:19.025 --> 00:34:20.166
during World War II.

00:34:21.126 --> 00:34:24.409
And so I thought that was like,

00:34:24.469 --> 00:34:26.150
and then he gets absorbed.

00:34:26.391 --> 00:34:27.570
I don't want to talk about it too much,

00:34:28.452 --> 00:34:30.092
because I do want people to

00:34:30.132 --> 00:34:31.233
go and read these books

00:34:31.253 --> 00:34:32.293
because they were really good.

00:34:33.074 --> 00:34:33.414
Thank you.

00:34:33.775 --> 00:34:35.376
But I thought that was,

00:34:37.617 --> 00:34:38.838
it was one of those moments like,

00:34:40.693 --> 00:34:41.994
These guys live a lot longer

00:34:42.014 --> 00:34:43.896
than us normal humans are.

00:34:44.536 --> 00:34:46.778
I'm not sure what year is

00:34:46.798 --> 00:34:48.260
your comic actually in.

00:34:49.221 --> 00:34:50.422
It's supposed to be like if

00:34:50.481 --> 00:34:55.545
Zip is a young adult now, then...

00:34:56.224 --> 00:34:57.445
it's in the modern day.

00:34:57.465 --> 00:34:57.844
So, okay.

00:34:58.065 --> 00:34:58.644
Okay.

00:34:58.704 --> 00:34:58.864
I mean,

00:34:58.925 --> 00:35:00.146
I don't want to be like putting in

00:35:00.166 --> 00:35:02.367
a bunch of, you know,

00:35:02.447 --> 00:35:04.586
exact up to date references

00:35:04.626 --> 00:35:06.447
because then five years old, but,

00:35:06.768 --> 00:35:07.128
but yeah,

00:35:07.268 --> 00:35:09.028
it is supposed to just be current day.

00:35:09.048 --> 00:35:11.530
Uh, but eternity explicitly is immortal.

00:35:11.630 --> 00:35:13.590
So that's why, uh,

00:35:13.610 --> 00:35:15.052
the super humans in general

00:35:15.072 --> 00:35:17.873
do not live any longer than, um,

00:35:17.893 --> 00:35:18.293
most people.

00:35:18.353 --> 00:35:19.532
And some live shorter lives.

00:35:19.793 --> 00:35:19.994
I mean,

00:35:20.034 --> 00:35:22.213
zip's heart beats over a thousand

00:35:22.253 --> 00:35:22.994
times per minute.

00:35:23.014 --> 00:35:23.474
Um,

00:35:23.735 --> 00:35:26.536
So she's her life expectancy is around.

00:35:27.117 --> 00:35:28.298
Fifty forty.

00:35:28.838 --> 00:35:29.920
She's she's actually going

00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.320
to live a much shorter life

00:35:31.461 --> 00:35:33.463
than the average woman

00:35:34.423 --> 00:35:36.445
because of her tachycardia.

00:35:37.025 --> 00:35:39.367
So, you know, for some of them,

00:35:39.869 --> 00:35:41.789
they'll live a length of

00:35:41.829 --> 00:35:43.871
time is pretty average for some of them,

00:35:43.931 --> 00:35:44.572
although actually live

00:35:44.612 --> 00:35:45.994
shorter lives because their

00:35:46.054 --> 00:35:47.675
powers just wear their

00:35:47.715 --> 00:35:49.255
bodies out faster or what have you.

00:35:49.275 --> 00:35:49.315
OK.

00:35:51.536 --> 00:35:53.759
No, I like that.

00:35:56.041 --> 00:35:58.123
Let me ask this.

00:35:59.364 --> 00:36:02.467
How far have you planned out Zip to go?

00:36:03.208 --> 00:36:05.451
Do you have that idea about

00:36:05.952 --> 00:36:06.992
I want to get twelve issues

00:36:07.052 --> 00:36:08.193
out of this or I just want

00:36:08.213 --> 00:36:09.416
to run it until I can run it?

00:36:09.878 --> 00:36:10.298
Yeah, I mean,

00:36:10.318 --> 00:36:12.141
that's a question I almost

00:36:12.161 --> 00:36:12.942
feel like I'm going to jinx

00:36:12.981 --> 00:36:14.244
myself by answering that.

00:36:14.463 --> 00:36:17.126
Then don't answer it.

00:36:17.146 --> 00:36:17.487
Don't answer it.

00:36:17.507 --> 00:36:18.047
No, no, I will answer it.

00:36:18.608 --> 00:36:19.110
I will answer it.

00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:19.570
I mean,

00:36:19.650 --> 00:36:20.972
I want people to know what the

00:36:21.012 --> 00:36:22.152
future plans anywhere are

00:36:22.193 --> 00:36:24.356
because people want to know that.

00:36:25.516 --> 00:36:27.117
you know as part of like if

00:36:27.137 --> 00:36:28.059
they're considering buying

00:36:28.099 --> 00:36:29.159
the book then they that's

00:36:29.179 --> 00:36:29.900
kind of something they want

00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.282
to know which is fair and I

00:36:32.322 --> 00:36:33.682
personally I mean like you

00:36:33.702 --> 00:36:34.523
know I envision it as an

00:36:34.563 --> 00:36:35.824
ongoing series but like

00:36:35.844 --> 00:36:37.626
okay there's a difference

00:36:37.646 --> 00:36:38.686
between what I envision and

00:36:38.726 --> 00:36:39.567
what our publisher

00:36:39.626 --> 00:36:42.789
envisions so you know I mean I

00:36:44.269 --> 00:36:47.072
I'm planning to do a trade

00:36:47.112 --> 00:36:49.695
paperback that consists of six issues.

00:36:49.715 --> 00:36:50.896
I've got the next issue written,

00:36:50.956 --> 00:36:52.117
but I'm just taking one

00:36:52.697 --> 00:36:53.677
issue at a time because

00:36:53.737 --> 00:36:55.478
I've got to fund each one.

00:36:56.500 --> 00:37:00.503
So I'm envisioning kind of

00:37:00.523 --> 00:37:01.864
an arc for six issues,

00:37:02.284 --> 00:37:05.347
but it's kind of like

00:37:07.202 --> 00:37:08.842
will build to a larger story.

00:37:10.322 --> 00:37:11.364
I would like,

00:37:11.523 --> 00:37:14.264
I think to do at least free trades.

00:37:16.686 --> 00:37:19.608
But if I can do more than that,

00:37:19.648 --> 00:37:20.628
then I probably would.

00:37:21.168 --> 00:37:21.329
I mean,

00:37:21.429 --> 00:37:22.489
I like to think of it as like an

00:37:22.528 --> 00:37:23.309
indefinite thing.

00:37:23.650 --> 00:37:24.650
It might be something that I

00:37:24.670 --> 00:37:27.231
would do and then take a

00:37:27.271 --> 00:37:29.592
break from and then return to as well,

00:37:29.632 --> 00:37:30.152
because, you know,

00:37:30.253 --> 00:37:33.014
as an independent comics writer, you know,

00:37:33.114 --> 00:37:34.795
it takes longer than, you know,

00:37:36.422 --> 00:37:37.523
one of the big two can just

00:37:37.583 --> 00:37:38.923
kind of put a bunch of

00:37:39.063 --> 00:37:40.123
artists on one book and

00:37:40.143 --> 00:37:41.085
just throw a bunch of money

00:37:41.125 --> 00:37:42.945
at it so that it gets done monthly.

00:37:42.965 --> 00:37:45.407
I don't know if you've noticed lately,

00:37:45.768 --> 00:37:47.248
Marvel and DC both have

00:37:47.268 --> 00:37:48.869
been counseling books left

00:37:48.909 --> 00:37:49.789
and right because they're

00:37:49.809 --> 00:37:50.791
throwing a lot of money at

00:37:50.831 --> 00:37:52.251
stuff and then the stories

00:37:52.291 --> 00:37:54.472
just ain't been story the

00:37:54.492 --> 00:37:55.293
way they want it to.

00:37:55.914 --> 00:37:57.034
There's been a lot of stuff

00:37:57.074 --> 00:37:58.695
canceled over the last few months.

00:37:58.954 --> 00:37:59.735
I don't really get a lot of

00:37:59.755 --> 00:38:00.476
mainstream books,

00:38:00.576 --> 00:38:02.476
not because I'm like snobby and like,

00:38:02.516 --> 00:38:03.398
but just because like,

00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.001
like I like a lot of like

00:38:06.041 --> 00:38:08.782
mainstream stuff but some

00:38:08.822 --> 00:38:09.822
of these store at least

00:38:09.842 --> 00:38:10.664
some of these characters

00:38:10.684 --> 00:38:11.603
and stories have been being

00:38:11.643 --> 00:38:14.405
told for you know I mean

00:38:14.606 --> 00:38:16.507
yeah spider-man's like what

00:38:16.547 --> 00:38:18.668
is it seventy-ish years old

00:38:18.728 --> 00:38:20.110
now and yeah I think so

00:38:20.130 --> 00:38:21.771
yeah yeah and then like

00:38:21.791 --> 00:38:23.092
something even older than

00:38:23.112 --> 00:38:24.072
that like spider-man is one

00:38:24.092 --> 00:38:25.672
of the younger superheroes

00:38:25.713 --> 00:38:27.273
as far as superheroes go

00:38:27.313 --> 00:38:28.195
and so and it's just like

00:38:29.005 --> 00:38:29.204
You know,

00:38:29.224 --> 00:38:30.666
no matter how good your stories are,

00:38:30.686 --> 00:38:31.507
if you're doing, like,

00:38:32.067 --> 00:38:34.168
just one a month running

00:38:34.208 --> 00:38:35.469
for that long is going to

00:38:35.509 --> 00:38:36.349
be difficult to.

00:38:36.909 --> 00:38:37.851
But, like, Spider-Man,

00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:38.931
I don't know if he still is,

00:38:38.971 --> 00:38:40.672
but at one point there was, like,

00:38:40.833 --> 00:38:42.673
three Spider-Man comics per month.

00:38:42.773 --> 00:38:43.775
And it's just, like, I love Spider-Man.

00:38:43.795 --> 00:38:44.414
There's more than that.

00:38:44.434 --> 00:38:46.135
There's more.

00:38:46.175 --> 00:38:48.617
Well, yeah, I think, like, mainline ones,

00:38:48.657 --> 00:38:49.097
though, right?

00:38:50.353 --> 00:38:51.934
there's more oh wow jesus

00:38:51.974 --> 00:38:52.974
they just canceled two of

00:38:52.994 --> 00:38:54.856
them they canceled uh I

00:38:54.896 --> 00:38:56.097
think a spider boy and

00:38:56.157 --> 00:38:58.639
spider girl after like well

00:38:58.659 --> 00:38:59.840
I was I was talking just

00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:01.182
just amazing spider-man

00:39:01.782 --> 00:39:03.385
just amazing but just oh

00:39:03.425 --> 00:39:04.885
nothing besides that I

00:39:04.925 --> 00:39:06.547
think it's a issue a month

00:39:06.606 --> 00:39:07.648
maybe two it might be

00:39:07.728 --> 00:39:09.429
bi-monthly but I'm not sure

00:39:10.731 --> 00:39:12.092
I remember a time when there

00:39:12.112 --> 00:39:15.916
were free Amazing Spider-Man's per month.

00:39:15.996 --> 00:39:17.617
When you're going for seventy years,

00:39:18.278 --> 00:39:18.900
you're just going to run

00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:19.960
out of stories to tell.

00:39:20.021 --> 00:39:21.442
I know it seems like kind of

00:39:21.461 --> 00:39:22.402
just a commercially... Well,

00:39:22.422 --> 00:39:23.925
that's why so many now are

00:39:23.965 --> 00:39:25.525
kind of being circled back

00:39:25.545 --> 00:39:28.650
to and it's the same basic story.

00:39:29.860 --> 00:39:33.505
But it's fresh art and a fresh concept.

00:39:33.545 --> 00:39:35.927
But it's basically the same story.

00:39:36.387 --> 00:39:37.248
And I, like you,

00:39:37.327 --> 00:39:40.371
I'm very much an independent guy.

00:39:40.490 --> 00:39:41.773
I love the indie comics.

00:39:41.893 --> 00:39:43.894
I love Image and Boom

00:39:43.914 --> 00:39:45.856
Studios and Dark Horse.

00:39:46.097 --> 00:39:47.137
Yeah.

00:39:47.217 --> 00:39:48.940
Mad Cave, Zen Scope.

00:39:48.980 --> 00:39:50.240
Those will always be my

00:39:50.300 --> 00:39:52.282
go-tos when it comes to

00:39:52.902 --> 00:39:54.045
comic books because they're

00:39:55.134 --> 00:39:56.014
especially Image,

00:39:56.054 --> 00:39:58.815
because they are very much creator-based.

00:39:59.755 --> 00:40:03.518
And a lot of people get

00:40:03.557 --> 00:40:05.518
their breakouts in Image.

00:40:05.838 --> 00:40:07.418
And they go on to do maybe a

00:40:07.478 --> 00:40:09.380
DC book or a Marvel book.

00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:11.041
But they started it with

00:40:11.081 --> 00:40:14.902
their own comic book that Image did.

00:40:15.943 --> 00:40:17.443
So I will always have a lot

00:40:17.483 --> 00:40:19.824
of respect for Image and

00:40:19.864 --> 00:40:22.304
what that team over there has done.

00:40:24.155 --> 00:40:25.117
know you can't really see

00:40:25.157 --> 00:40:26.577
the the stack over here but

00:40:26.617 --> 00:40:27.818
that was my new comic book

00:40:27.838 --> 00:40:29.800
day for this week and

00:40:30.141 --> 00:40:31.402
ninety percent of that is

00:40:31.802 --> 00:40:33.903
all in indie maybe ninety

00:40:33.943 --> 00:40:36.306
five yeah percent of it is

00:40:36.346 --> 00:40:37.726
not indie books it's

00:40:37.746 --> 00:40:38.547
getting that way with just

00:40:38.567 --> 00:40:39.867
being kickstarter books now

00:40:41.710 --> 00:40:46.853
yeah I I so it's it's I

00:40:46.893 --> 00:40:49.096
don't say no to a lot of um

00:40:49.576 --> 00:40:51.458
interviews because a I like

00:40:51.498 --> 00:40:52.938
to bring on people who are

00:40:54.025 --> 00:40:55.346
doing their own thing and

00:40:55.407 --> 00:40:56.628
doing something different

00:40:56.668 --> 00:40:57.789
than the mainstream.

00:40:58.610 --> 00:41:02.735
And so far, I'm on a good streak.

00:41:03.175 --> 00:41:04.476
And my streak continues with

00:41:04.516 --> 00:41:08.119
you as far as Kickstarters go.

00:41:09.141 --> 00:41:12.806
And I'm always happy to have guys on.

00:41:13.867 --> 00:41:15.150
who are doing their own

00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:17.052
thing marching to the beat

00:41:17.092 --> 00:41:18.193
of their own drum so to

00:41:18.253 --> 00:41:21.697
speak and even now like

00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:23.380
mark spears completely

00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.164
funded uh his monsters

00:41:27.326 --> 00:41:28.507
through kickstarter before

00:41:28.547 --> 00:41:32.072
keen spot picked it up um

00:41:34.744 --> 00:41:36.005
So I think that's really

00:41:36.045 --> 00:41:39.226
cool that like we're talking Mark Spears,

00:41:40.025 --> 00:41:42.226
like he started funding his

00:41:42.447 --> 00:41:43.347
own comic book through

00:41:43.387 --> 00:41:45.407
Kickstarter before it got a publisher.

00:41:45.949 --> 00:41:46.208
Yeah.

00:41:46.228 --> 00:41:46.949
So I mean,

00:41:46.989 --> 00:41:49.849
it's not just for the small guys,

00:41:50.510 --> 00:41:51.751
but the big guys will also

00:41:51.871 --> 00:41:52.971
use it when people aren't.

00:41:53.911 --> 00:41:54.972
And I can appreciate that

00:41:54.992 --> 00:41:55.992
they will go back to their

00:41:56.052 --> 00:41:56.913
roots and be like, well,

00:41:56.932 --> 00:41:58.012
I want to fund my book,

00:41:58.052 --> 00:41:59.213
so I'm going to Kickstarter.

00:42:00.349 --> 00:42:02.989
Just to be clear about Zip,

00:42:03.010 --> 00:42:04.771
for anyone who wasn't sure,

00:42:04.811 --> 00:42:06.070
we do have a publisher,

00:42:06.110 --> 00:42:08.612
but we're still funding books.

00:42:08.692 --> 00:42:11.072
I was going to ask you about that.

00:42:11.233 --> 00:42:12.793
You are one of the few

00:42:13.114 --> 00:42:15.695
Kickstarters that I've seen

00:42:15.735 --> 00:42:16.934
that actually has a

00:42:17.014 --> 00:42:18.576
publisher with Marcosia.

00:42:18.715 --> 00:42:19.396
Is that how you say it?

00:42:20.036 --> 00:42:21.717
Marcosia, yeah.

00:42:22.137 --> 00:42:24.797
How does that work for you in that...

00:42:26.974 --> 00:42:29.094
with having a publisher in Kickstarter?

00:42:29.375 --> 00:42:30.556
Because normally a publisher

00:42:30.576 --> 00:42:32.335
just fronts the money and then the sell.

00:42:33.016 --> 00:42:34.317
They make the money back on that.

00:42:34.797 --> 00:42:36.637
I mean, that'd be nice, but I mean,

00:42:37.097 --> 00:42:38.358
I suppose it's just that, you know,

00:42:38.378 --> 00:42:39.498
there's so many books out

00:42:39.518 --> 00:42:40.460
there these days that...

00:42:43.329 --> 00:42:46.349
you know, it's very competitive and,

00:42:46.911 --> 00:42:49.452
you know, I mean, funding the,

00:42:49.871 --> 00:42:51.472
getting the art made,

00:42:52.152 --> 00:42:53.313
getting the art done costs

00:42:53.373 --> 00:42:55.454
money because you've got, you know,

00:42:55.875 --> 00:42:56.956
you said it yourself that

00:42:57.115 --> 00:42:58.197
San is a great artist.

00:42:58.817 --> 00:43:00.358
Uh, so it's not, you know,

00:43:00.418 --> 00:43:01.659
that's not kind of thing isn't free.

00:43:01.878 --> 00:43:05.521
Uh, so we fund, um, our books, um, uh,

00:43:05.541 --> 00:43:06.260
so that, you know,

00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:07.222
we can basically get them

00:43:07.262 --> 00:43:09.143
made and then they'll go off to Marcosia.

00:43:09.842 --> 00:43:11.164
Um, once we get, um, I mean,

00:43:11.184 --> 00:43:14.186
Marcosia only does, um, digital, uh,

00:43:14.226 --> 00:43:14.646
comics.

00:43:15.085 --> 00:43:18.827
So any digital single issues, at least, um,

00:43:18.847 --> 00:43:19.728
they do trades,

00:43:19.829 --> 00:43:21.409
but they don't do single issues in print.

00:43:21.570 --> 00:43:22.329
Okay.

00:43:23.911 --> 00:43:26.474
um when you're talking about

00:43:26.494 --> 00:43:29.717
um if you're if you want to

00:43:29.737 --> 00:43:30.958
get a single issue in print

00:43:31.038 --> 00:43:32.199
the only way to do that is

00:43:32.259 --> 00:43:34.780
through our kickstarter um

00:43:35.181 --> 00:43:36.282
at the moment or if you're

00:43:36.481 --> 00:43:37.382
you know local enough to

00:43:37.443 --> 00:43:39.623
come to a convention um but

00:43:39.643 --> 00:43:40.184
you know those aren't going

00:43:40.204 --> 00:43:41.166
to be on all the time and

00:43:41.365 --> 00:43:42.427
you might not be local

00:43:42.467 --> 00:43:44.168
enough to do that so if

00:43:44.188 --> 00:43:46.168
you'd like digital uh print

00:43:46.250 --> 00:43:48.010
versions of our comics you know

00:43:48.802 --> 00:43:49.784
back that Kickstarter,

00:43:49.824 --> 00:43:50.963
and even in the case of the

00:43:51.003 --> 00:43:53.184
digital editions,

00:43:54.465 --> 00:43:56.086
Marcosia picks one cover

00:43:56.106 --> 00:43:56.967
that they want for their

00:43:57.067 --> 00:43:57.947
e-reader version.

00:43:58.648 --> 00:43:59.228
So if there's,

00:43:59.869 --> 00:44:02.150
we have alt covers for every issue.

00:44:03.150 --> 00:44:04.971
So when you back a

00:44:04.990 --> 00:44:05.952
Kickstarter and you get a

00:44:05.972 --> 00:44:07.472
digital version of Zip,

00:44:08.213 --> 00:44:10.074
you will be able to select

00:44:10.313 --> 00:44:12.315
a exclusive cover that

00:44:12.434 --> 00:44:13.695
Marcosia hasn't used.

00:44:13.835 --> 00:44:14.896
And some of these covers,

00:44:14.956 --> 00:44:16.317
if you've only come to us from

00:44:17.097 --> 00:44:18.057
amazon or drive-through

00:44:18.117 --> 00:44:19.978
comics um you may never

00:44:20.018 --> 00:44:20.858
have seen some of these

00:44:20.898 --> 00:44:23.280
covers before um other than

00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:24.181
that the content of the

00:44:24.201 --> 00:44:25.481
comic like the actual story

00:44:25.521 --> 00:44:26.141
and stuff you know you're

00:44:26.161 --> 00:44:27.063
not going to be missing out

00:44:27.362 --> 00:44:28.844
uh on story if you're

00:44:29.103 --> 00:44:30.905
reading via e-readers but

00:44:31.264 --> 00:44:33.025
um you know it was issue

00:44:33.065 --> 00:44:34.867
two that had the uh I think

00:44:34.887 --> 00:44:36.507
it was a francesco sabatini

00:44:36.547 --> 00:44:39.909
cover uh so uh issue three

00:44:40.250 --> 00:44:42.512
is our francesco tomaselli

00:44:42.992 --> 00:44:45.634
tomaselli yeah uh let me just quickly

00:44:50.068 --> 00:44:51.610
I just recently learned who

00:44:51.849 --> 00:44:55.432
he is because he's done some covers for,

00:44:55.532 --> 00:44:57.974
I think, The Keen Spot, I believe,

00:44:58.014 --> 00:45:00.958
on one of their books.

00:45:00.998 --> 00:45:01.197
Right.

00:45:01.518 --> 00:45:03.179
I can't remember off the top of my head,

00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:05.782
but when I seen the name, I was like, oh,

00:45:06.481 --> 00:45:06.842
nice.

00:45:06.862 --> 00:45:07.322
I'm like,

00:45:07.563 --> 00:45:09.224
that's dope that he got a cover from him.

00:45:10.070 --> 00:45:11.192
Yeah, that was pretty great.

00:45:11.552 --> 00:45:12.733
I mean, that's one of our best covers,

00:45:12.793 --> 00:45:13.112
I think.

00:45:13.233 --> 00:45:14.474
It's hard to pick, really.

00:45:14.514 --> 00:45:15.954
But the other thing you get

00:45:16.255 --> 00:45:17.815
if you back our Kickstarter

00:45:17.896 --> 00:45:21.117
as well is you get your name in the book.

00:45:22.699 --> 00:45:24.018
So I noticed that when I was

00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:25.480
reading through again this morning,

00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:26.340
because normally when I do

00:45:26.380 --> 00:45:28.041
my first initial read-throughs,

00:45:28.822 --> 00:45:29.943
I just read the story.

00:45:30.003 --> 00:45:31.364
I don't read the beginnings

00:45:31.423 --> 00:45:32.505
or the bottom parts of it.

00:45:32.525 --> 00:45:34.706
But today I was like – I was up early,

00:45:34.746 --> 00:45:36.996
so I just went –

00:45:36.686 --> 00:45:37.628
I always try to do this.

00:45:37.688 --> 00:45:40.150
I'll reread everything the morning of.

00:45:40.311 --> 00:45:42.052
So everything is fresh in my head.

00:45:42.893 --> 00:45:44.755
And as I was reading through to the end,

00:45:44.815 --> 00:45:45.436
I was like, oh,

00:45:45.476 --> 00:45:46.556
this is really cool because

00:45:46.637 --> 00:45:49.019
he does put that in the book,

00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:50.922
like a big thank you to this, you know,

00:45:50.961 --> 00:45:52.123
these people for backing us.

00:45:52.163 --> 00:45:53.003
So I thought that was really

00:45:53.043 --> 00:45:54.125
dope that you did that.

00:45:54.806 --> 00:45:56.286
You don't see a lot of people doing that.

00:45:57.208 --> 00:45:58.628
Well, it's just like, I mean, you know,

00:45:58.708 --> 00:46:00.490
it's a cost-effective thing

00:46:00.510 --> 00:46:01.411
that you can offer people

00:46:01.452 --> 00:46:04.173
that's unique and personalized.

00:46:05.494 --> 00:46:07.556
And I think that's a good

00:46:07.597 --> 00:46:08.858
draw because you can just, you know,

00:46:09.498 --> 00:46:14.083
you can offer that essentially no cost.

00:46:14.103 --> 00:46:16.885
But, you know, people will have...

00:46:17.563 --> 00:46:18.923
like a personalized memento

00:46:18.963 --> 00:46:19.923
of the time that because

00:46:19.943 --> 00:46:20.724
you know the other reason

00:46:20.744 --> 00:46:22.164
that you would want to back

00:46:22.204 --> 00:46:23.286
our kickstarter is just to

00:46:23.346 --> 00:46:25.346
be on the ground floor of

00:46:25.425 --> 00:46:26.746
getting an independent

00:46:26.766 --> 00:46:27.807
comic made and being part

00:46:27.867 --> 00:46:29.708
of that you know yeah so I

00:46:29.728 --> 00:46:31.329
always feel really cool and

00:46:31.369 --> 00:46:33.050
really good when I have

00:46:33.090 --> 00:46:34.110
somebody on for a new

00:46:34.170 --> 00:46:37.032
kickstarter and when I see

00:46:37.092 --> 00:46:38.291
it pop up that it's been

00:46:38.371 --> 00:46:39.952
funded I'm always like

00:46:41.036 --> 00:46:41.938
Yeah.

00:46:41.978 --> 00:46:42.478
Yeah, I know.

00:46:42.579 --> 00:46:43.521
Yeah, yeah.

00:46:43.541 --> 00:46:43.802
Well, I mean,

00:46:43.842 --> 00:46:44.463
especially if something

00:46:44.483 --> 00:46:46.286
explodes and you're like, oh,

00:46:46.387 --> 00:46:47.690
I backed that when it was, you know.

00:46:47.710 --> 00:46:49.574
Yeah, exactly.

00:46:50.094 --> 00:46:51.757
And I just love having that

00:46:52.809 --> 00:46:55.210
Like, it feels good to me that, hey,

00:46:55.331 --> 00:46:56.512
I was one of the first ones

00:46:56.532 --> 00:46:59.813
to bring this person on and discuss,

00:46:59.833 --> 00:47:00.273
you know,

00:47:00.313 --> 00:47:01.514
their Kickstarter and their

00:47:01.554 --> 00:47:02.996
passion of their project.

00:47:03.635 --> 00:47:05.516
And to see it get funded for me, it's like,

00:47:06.217 --> 00:47:08.059
it's not even my work, you know,

00:47:08.298 --> 00:47:09.039
it's your work.

00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.501
But I have like that pride to that, like.

00:47:12.927 --> 00:47:14.969
maybe just maybe somebody

00:47:15.028 --> 00:47:16.530
seen my interview with him

00:47:17.070 --> 00:47:19.193
and decided to back that book.

00:47:19.914 --> 00:47:22.416
So I have that sense of like,

00:47:23.677 --> 00:47:24.637
I did my little piece to

00:47:24.697 --> 00:47:25.619
get this done because it

00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.079
was such a cool book, you know?

00:47:27.099 --> 00:47:27.981
Well, if you want,

00:47:28.141 --> 00:47:31.123
I'll generate your own referral link.

00:47:31.164 --> 00:47:34.166
So you can actually

00:47:34.907 --> 00:47:37.510
metrically figure out if that's happened.

00:47:39.027 --> 00:47:40.509
No, I don't want to do that.

00:47:40.768 --> 00:47:41.610
I just like the thought.

00:47:41.630 --> 00:47:42.670
Okay, fair enough.

00:47:43.090 --> 00:47:43.791
Because I got a big

00:47:43.831 --> 00:47:45.251
announcement I got to make here soon.

00:47:45.271 --> 00:47:46.952
And once I make that announcement,

00:47:47.012 --> 00:47:48.034
probably tomorrow,

00:47:49.094 --> 00:47:51.175
my world's going to be like busier.

00:47:51.456 --> 00:47:53.597
And I still got a lot to think about too.

00:47:54.197 --> 00:47:58.340
So it's definitely like I

00:47:58.380 --> 00:48:00.742
have a hard time of like I get off work,

00:48:01.722 --> 00:48:02.302
I come home,

00:48:02.563 --> 00:48:04.644
and I basically start this

00:48:06.005 --> 00:48:07.146
and preparing for what's

00:48:07.226 --> 00:48:08.206
next and whatever.

00:48:09.315 --> 00:48:10.655
It's just like sometimes I

00:48:10.675 --> 00:48:11.956
feel like I'm working two jobs,

00:48:12.016 --> 00:48:13.096
but I don't want it to ever

00:48:13.135 --> 00:48:13.715
feel that way.

00:48:14.697 --> 00:48:17.016
So I basically like kind of

00:48:17.036 --> 00:48:17.978
took I don't want to say I

00:48:17.998 --> 00:48:19.297
took a month off because I

00:48:19.318 --> 00:48:20.478
was still doing stuff,

00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:22.418
but I definitely got myself

00:48:22.458 --> 00:48:23.960
behind the power curve.

00:48:24.019 --> 00:48:25.139
So now we got to play catch

00:48:25.179 --> 00:48:26.199
up this weekend, too.

00:48:26.900 --> 00:48:27.621
But that's all good.

00:48:28.121 --> 00:48:30.222
I enjoy that part of it

00:48:30.262 --> 00:48:31.242
because what I'm getting

00:48:31.262 --> 00:48:32.202
ready to do is going to be

00:48:32.262 --> 00:48:36.443
fun for everybody, I hope so.

00:48:36.483 --> 00:48:37.463
But so

00:48:39.126 --> 00:48:41.188
Let's touch on, so I noticed,

00:48:41.367 --> 00:48:44.429
I think it was book three

00:48:44.469 --> 00:48:45.431
is when I noticed it.

00:48:45.630 --> 00:48:46.552
I think it was book three or

00:48:46.592 --> 00:48:49.893
two that you have somebody

00:48:50.054 --> 00:48:51.534
actually reading your book

00:48:52.434 --> 00:48:55.436
who is basically sensitivity check-in.

00:48:56.518 --> 00:48:57.478
Oh, that's the fourth one.

00:48:57.498 --> 00:48:58.619
We started that in the fourth one.

00:48:58.639 --> 00:48:59.278
Okay, the fourth one.

00:48:59.318 --> 00:48:59.900
Okay, yeah.

00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.081
I knew I had just seen it.

00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:03.782
It was one of the books that

00:49:03.961 --> 00:49:04.681
somebody is actually

00:49:04.762 --> 00:49:06.943
reading it for sensitivity issues,

00:49:06.983 --> 00:49:07.603
which is really cool.

00:49:07.623 --> 00:49:08.585
I've never seen that before.

00:49:09.485 --> 00:49:12.246
yeah I mean um prior to free

00:49:12.306 --> 00:49:14.967
I just didn't know where I

00:49:15.007 --> 00:49:15.927
would even hire a

00:49:15.967 --> 00:49:17.088
sensitivity reader I was

00:49:17.128 --> 00:49:17.929
like aware of their

00:49:17.949 --> 00:49:18.829
existence but I didn't

00:49:18.869 --> 00:49:20.431
wouldn't it wasn't even I

00:49:20.451 --> 00:49:21.972
didn't even know where you

00:49:21.992 --> 00:49:23.291
would go to to hire

00:49:23.452 --> 00:49:25.233
somebody like that so once

00:49:25.293 --> 00:49:26.313
I just put I think it was

00:49:26.333 --> 00:49:27.695
just like blue sky well I

00:49:27.715 --> 00:49:29.255
just on all my socials I

00:49:29.275 --> 00:49:31.177
just put like um can

00:49:31.217 --> 00:49:32.257
anybody tell me where you

00:49:32.476 --> 00:49:35.579
would hire a sensitivity reader uh

00:49:36.373 --> 00:49:37.034
because I don't know.

00:49:37.394 --> 00:49:38.777
And on the back of that,

00:49:39.257 --> 00:49:40.277
someone called Michelle

00:49:40.297 --> 00:49:42.481
Swinney emailed me

00:49:44.257 --> 00:49:48.121
on my website, info.zipcomic.co.uk.

00:49:49.181 --> 00:49:51.302
So, yeah,

00:49:51.322 --> 00:49:52.623
she emailed me and asked about

00:49:52.704 --> 00:49:53.804
the sensitivity thing.

00:49:54.485 --> 00:49:55.186
So we talked a little bit

00:49:55.206 --> 00:49:57.146
about her experience and everything.

00:49:57.768 --> 00:49:58.487
Because the reason I wanted

00:49:58.507 --> 00:50:00.690
to hire a sensitivity

00:50:00.769 --> 00:50:02.331
reader primarily is the

00:50:02.431 --> 00:50:06.813
fact that I'm just one disabled person,

00:50:07.175 --> 00:50:09.655
but I try and pull from a

00:50:09.675 --> 00:50:10.737
bunch of different disabled

00:50:10.757 --> 00:50:12.538
people's experiences to...

00:50:13.358 --> 00:50:14.661
because we're not a monolith, you know,

00:50:14.702 --> 00:50:15.704
everybody's got their own

00:50:15.945 --> 00:50:16.987
like opinions and ways they

00:50:17.007 --> 00:50:18.811
like to identify and things like that.

00:50:18.831 --> 00:50:20.675
So yeah, I thought, you know,

00:50:20.695 --> 00:50:22.297
a sensitivity reader could maybe, um,

00:50:23.668 --> 00:50:23.949
you know,

00:50:23.989 --> 00:50:25.489
kind of pull that in a little bit,

00:50:25.510 --> 00:50:26.449
maybe when I've

00:50:27.170 --> 00:50:28.130
misrepresented somebody

00:50:28.170 --> 00:50:29.351
else's experience or something.

00:50:29.411 --> 00:50:30.211
So that's what she was

00:50:30.251 --> 00:50:31.291
primarily hired to do,

00:50:31.331 --> 00:50:32.092
but then she's also been

00:50:32.231 --> 00:50:33.432
useful in other areas too.

00:50:33.452 --> 00:50:37.375
Cause there, you know, I mean,

00:50:37.414 --> 00:50:38.054
sometimes you just,

00:50:39.635 --> 00:50:40.655
you're so used to a trope

00:50:41.235 --> 00:50:42.697
that you maybe put in

00:50:42.737 --> 00:50:43.416
something that's harmful

00:50:43.436 --> 00:50:44.217
that you don't realize,

00:50:44.297 --> 00:50:47.077
or for me sometimes as well,

00:50:47.659 --> 00:50:48.559
I'll just get into my like

00:50:48.619 --> 00:50:50.019
sci-fi brain where I'm like, oh,

00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.981
that's an interesting fact about like,

00:50:54.092 --> 00:50:55.514
how this like thing in

00:50:55.554 --> 00:50:57.414
biology works or how this, you know,

00:50:58.954 --> 00:51:00.396
thing works and I'll just get into it.

00:51:00.936 --> 00:51:03.137
And I'll just kind of have a

00:51:03.177 --> 00:51:04.277
bunch of different separate

00:51:04.318 --> 00:51:05.719
ideas that I end up putting together.

00:51:06.219 --> 00:51:07.579
But then when you put them together,

00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:09.119
they end up saying

00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.121
something really weird that

00:51:11.460 --> 00:51:12.621
you didn't mean to say.

00:51:14.123 --> 00:51:17.284
And I didn't catch, you know,

00:51:17.304 --> 00:51:17.945
sometimes I just don't

00:51:17.985 --> 00:51:18.925
catch these things because

00:51:19.324 --> 00:51:20.565
I'm just so in the weeds of

00:51:20.606 --> 00:51:22.626
like the process of it that,

00:51:24.405 --> 00:51:25.146
like I don't catch things

00:51:25.186 --> 00:51:26.246
that seem like they should

00:51:26.266 --> 00:51:28.527
be really obvious yeah no

00:51:28.827 --> 00:51:30.088
yeah no that's pretty yeah

00:51:30.489 --> 00:51:31.610
because like I was saying

00:51:31.650 --> 00:51:33.371
you you're the first person

00:51:33.951 --> 00:51:36.072
I had seen you know

00:51:36.092 --> 00:51:37.032
somebody give credit to

00:51:37.072 --> 00:51:38.672
them for doing that I'm

00:51:38.713 --> 00:51:40.074
sure there's other like

00:51:40.134 --> 00:51:41.434
bigger comic books that do

00:51:41.454 --> 00:51:42.255
that but you were the first

00:51:42.335 --> 00:51:43.476
one I've seen that where

00:51:43.556 --> 00:51:45.135
you really you gave credit

00:51:45.175 --> 00:51:46.777
to the person and basically

00:51:46.817 --> 00:51:47.797
gave them their things and

00:51:47.818 --> 00:51:49.438
their flowers for doing this for you so

00:51:51.945 --> 00:51:53.387
So have you heard from other

00:51:53.427 --> 00:51:55.789
readers from the disabled community?

00:51:55.869 --> 00:51:57.251
And how has that response

00:51:57.431 --> 00:52:00.014
been from them to your book?

00:52:00.574 --> 00:52:00.894
Well, yeah.

00:52:00.914 --> 00:52:01.235
I mean,

00:52:02.617 --> 00:52:03.978
I basically put it on everything now.

00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:05.740
There's been an Amazon

00:52:05.780 --> 00:52:06.601
review that we've had.

00:52:07.501 --> 00:52:09.021
uh I believe the name of the

00:52:09.041 --> 00:52:10.782
guy was apparition rare and

00:52:10.822 --> 00:52:12.224
I think I'll just read it

00:52:12.304 --> 00:52:13.364
out uh because it's a

00:52:13.385 --> 00:52:15.907
really great review so I

00:52:15.927 --> 00:52:17.588
mean this is on amazon I'm

00:52:17.628 --> 00:52:18.387
literally just pulling it

00:52:18.427 --> 00:52:20.088
up and reading it now so um

00:52:20.148 --> 00:52:23.510
zip uh number one was a

00:52:23.530 --> 00:52:24.592
kickstarter I missed the

00:52:24.612 --> 00:52:26.592
chance to get in on and I'm

00:52:26.653 --> 00:52:28.614
so excited to see it uh it

00:52:28.655 --> 00:52:30.936
come to comicology the tale

00:52:30.976 --> 00:52:32.117
is a gritty british

00:52:32.137 --> 00:52:33.438
superhero comic but it's

00:52:33.478 --> 00:52:34.699
really about disabilities

00:52:35.259 --> 00:52:35.778
And having read it,

00:52:35.860 --> 00:52:38.481
I think it uses its metaphor as well.

00:52:38.922 --> 00:52:40.483
The mutant metaphor over in

00:52:40.503 --> 00:52:42.684
Marvel often falls short in my eyes,

00:52:43.065 --> 00:52:44.967
but Zip genuinely resonates.

00:52:45.628 --> 00:52:46.969
I am autistic, and gosh,

00:52:47.028 --> 00:52:49.510
I could feel for Allison's

00:52:50.210 --> 00:52:51.512
alienation for society.

00:52:52.315 --> 00:52:53.456
The story is a bit dark.

00:52:54.056 --> 00:52:55.117
There's a suicide attempt,

00:52:55.217 --> 00:52:56.597
but it hit hard.

00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.719
It's one of my favorite new comics.

00:53:01.461 --> 00:53:03.023
I am excited for issue two

00:53:03.822 --> 00:53:04.824
to arrive here soon,

00:53:05.443 --> 00:53:06.844
and I hope I can catch

00:53:07.246 --> 00:53:09.106
whenever the Kickstarter

00:53:09.146 --> 00:53:10.467
for issue three begins.

00:53:10.527 --> 00:53:12.650
So that's a five-star review,

00:53:12.710 --> 00:53:13.170
and I just want to

00:53:13.210 --> 00:53:16.052
highlight that it's one of

00:53:16.092 --> 00:53:17.273
his favorite new comics.

00:53:17.512 --> 00:53:18.333
I assume that it's here.

00:53:18.353 --> 00:53:21.096
I apologize if he is not, or they are not.

00:53:22.425 --> 00:53:23.985
So that's, you know, I mean,

00:53:24.005 --> 00:53:25.007
there's a lot of new comics out there.

00:53:25.027 --> 00:53:27.628
And this is one of

00:53:27.728 --> 00:53:28.869
Apparition Writers' favorites.

00:53:29.469 --> 00:53:30.630
That's really cool that

00:53:31.510 --> 00:53:32.311
you're getting those types

00:53:32.331 --> 00:53:34.052
of responses to the book.

00:53:34.253 --> 00:53:39.356
And that's a feel good right there.

00:53:39.396 --> 00:53:40.117
That's one of those where

00:53:40.137 --> 00:53:41.938
you're having a shitty day

00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:43.880
and you can be like, you know what?

00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:45.041
I know what cheers me up.

00:53:45.081 --> 00:53:45.960
That's one of those reviews

00:53:45.981 --> 00:53:46.902
where you can go and read

00:53:46.942 --> 00:53:48.202
it and it immediately kind

00:53:48.222 --> 00:53:49.643
of just like a little bit

00:53:49.664 --> 00:53:50.965
of ray of sunshine on the day.

00:53:51.990 --> 00:53:52.692
Hmm.

00:53:52.931 --> 00:53:53.612
Yeah.

00:53:53.652 --> 00:53:54.552
Well, I mean, now that I,

00:53:55.074 --> 00:53:56.614
now that that review has been given,

00:53:56.974 --> 00:53:58.577
I put one of my favorite comics,

00:53:58.657 --> 00:54:00.918
five stars on like so much stuff,

00:54:00.938 --> 00:54:03.340
you know,

00:54:04.722 --> 00:54:05.762
it's like the other thing I

00:54:05.782 --> 00:54:06.744
won't shut up about is the

00:54:06.784 --> 00:54:08.105
time that Gail Simone said

00:54:08.125 --> 00:54:11.427
that she loved the art and the comic.

00:54:11.447 --> 00:54:12.929
The art is special, man.

00:54:12.949 --> 00:54:13.489
Like it's,

00:54:14.309 --> 00:54:16.132
I know the amount of work that

00:54:16.152 --> 00:54:17.753
goes into doing just the,

00:54:18.655 --> 00:54:21.197
no color color can cover up

00:54:21.297 --> 00:54:22.699
imperfections in art,

00:54:23.739 --> 00:54:25.940
but this book has no color

00:54:25.981 --> 00:54:26.942
in it whatsoever.

00:54:27.563 --> 00:54:29.403
And I thought that was really cool.

00:54:29.423 --> 00:54:34.608
And, um, San is like nailing it, dude.

00:54:35.028 --> 00:54:35.369
Like you,

00:54:35.510 --> 00:54:37.351
you have the artist for this book.

00:54:37.692 --> 00:54:38.132
Yeah.

00:54:38.172 --> 00:54:39.072
Well, I mean,

00:54:39.672 --> 00:54:42.436
I considered having it colored, um,

00:54:42.476 --> 00:54:43.637
but there were a few reasons why.

00:54:44.923 --> 00:54:46.985
uh we didn't uh and I for me

00:54:47.045 --> 00:54:49.829
personally one is that um

00:54:49.869 --> 00:54:50.630
you know it's kind of like

00:54:50.650 --> 00:54:52.992
a british thing like a

00:54:53.012 --> 00:54:53.693
tradition because if you

00:54:53.713 --> 00:54:55.534
look at two thousand a.d

00:54:56.175 --> 00:54:57.456
you know that's for a long

00:54:57.516 --> 00:54:59.358
time black and white but

00:54:59.378 --> 00:55:03.503
for me personally um I am a

00:55:03.543 --> 00:55:05.045
huge fan and I've just

00:55:05.065 --> 00:55:07.188
talked about this on my podcast um

00:55:08.231 --> 00:55:09.172
I'm a huge fan of the

00:55:09.211 --> 00:55:11.114
original Mirage Comics run

00:55:11.393 --> 00:55:12.414
of Kevin and Eastman's

00:55:12.675 --> 00:55:13.916
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

00:55:14.376 --> 00:55:15.297
Yeah.

00:55:15.358 --> 00:55:17.019
And its original incarnation

00:55:17.059 --> 00:55:17.960
that was black and white.

00:55:19.001 --> 00:55:19.802
For those who don't know,

00:55:20.402 --> 00:55:21.983
it's very different to the

00:55:22.405 --> 00:55:23.585
cartoons because it was a

00:55:23.646 --> 00:55:25.347
parody of Daredevil and it

00:55:25.367 --> 00:55:26.849
was very violent.

00:55:27.750 --> 00:55:29.431
But it was, yeah, I mean...

00:55:31.021 --> 00:55:31.201
I mean,

00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:32.681
those guys basically just lived the

00:55:32.702 --> 00:55:35.563
dream because they just made a comment.

00:55:35.583 --> 00:55:36.704
I want to encourage everybody,

00:55:36.804 --> 00:55:37.983
if you have a chance,

00:55:38.585 --> 00:55:40.385
go online or do what you've got to do.

00:55:40.465 --> 00:55:41.746
Find the original Teenage

00:55:41.786 --> 00:55:42.686
Mutant Ninja Turtle run

00:55:42.706 --> 00:55:46.668
with Kevin Eastman and Laird from Mirage.

00:55:46.909 --> 00:55:48.289
It is a totally different

00:55:48.329 --> 00:55:49.510
concept than the Teenage

00:55:49.530 --> 00:55:51.130
Mutant Ninja Turtles we have today.

00:55:51.150 --> 00:55:52.711
It's still for maybe the

00:55:52.771 --> 00:55:55.032
last Ronin is a little bit more greedier.

00:55:55.989 --> 00:55:57.030
and similar to what the

00:55:57.070 --> 00:55:58.010
original Teenage Mutant

00:55:58.030 --> 00:55:59.452
Ninja Turtles were.

00:56:00.092 --> 00:56:01.291
And I think that's really cool.

00:56:01.612 --> 00:56:02.672
I think people assume that

00:56:02.813 --> 00:56:06.474
TMNT was always some kind

00:56:06.554 --> 00:56:07.974
of market-researched,

00:56:09.936 --> 00:56:12.516
engineered to be a huge hit

00:56:12.757 --> 00:56:13.737
thing because of the

00:56:13.777 --> 00:56:14.697
juggernaut it became.

00:56:15.318 --> 00:56:15.898
But it really wasn't.

00:56:15.918 --> 00:56:16.719
It was just two guys.

00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:20.081
It was just one of them

00:56:20.201 --> 00:56:21.081
trying to cheer up the other.

00:56:21.181 --> 00:56:22.922
I can't remember which was which, but...

00:56:23.561 --> 00:56:24.262
One of them tried to cheer

00:56:24.282 --> 00:56:25.103
up the other by just

00:56:25.123 --> 00:56:26.903
drawing a turtle with nunchucks.

00:56:26.943 --> 00:56:27.644
I think it was Laird who did

00:56:27.724 --> 00:56:28.304
it for Eastman.

00:56:28.525 --> 00:56:32.148
And then Eastman was kind of like, oh,

00:56:32.168 --> 00:56:33.608
I think we have something here,

00:56:33.628 --> 00:56:35.190
how that went down.

00:56:35.230 --> 00:56:37.210
So they just made a single

00:56:37.231 --> 00:56:38.891
comic that was supposed to be a one-shot,

00:56:38.931 --> 00:56:41.414
but then it got a huge response,

00:56:41.594 --> 00:56:42.894
and comic shops were asking

00:56:42.934 --> 00:56:43.715
them when they were going

00:56:43.815 --> 00:56:44.456
to do number two,

00:56:44.476 --> 00:56:46.016
and they never even considered that.

00:56:46.536 --> 00:56:47.237
And you can tell that

00:56:47.257 --> 00:56:48.577
because their main villain

00:56:48.617 --> 00:56:50.579
gets killed off in the first issue.

00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:52.181
So...

00:56:52.981 --> 00:56:55.983
you know um yeah and it just

00:56:56.043 --> 00:56:57.182
kind of snowballs and then

00:56:57.202 --> 00:56:58.704
they became you know maybe

00:56:58.744 --> 00:57:00.485
like in the late eighties

00:57:00.525 --> 00:57:01.726
early nineties the biggest

00:57:01.746 --> 00:57:03.586
thing ever I think it

00:57:03.606 --> 00:57:04.746
wasn't until they really

00:57:04.806 --> 00:57:07.309
landed with idw later is

00:57:07.329 --> 00:57:08.509
when it became the more kid

00:57:08.608 --> 00:57:10.150
friendly thing is when they

00:57:10.230 --> 00:57:11.170
pitched it I think it was

00:57:11.190 --> 00:57:12.690
like in the mid-eighties

00:57:13.831 --> 00:57:14.731
when the teenage mutant

00:57:14.751 --> 00:57:16.052
ninja turtles the cartoon

00:57:16.072 --> 00:57:17.213
the animated series really

00:57:17.253 --> 00:57:19.635
hit yeah so that's when

00:57:19.655 --> 00:57:21.416
they kind of toned everything down

00:57:23.860 --> 00:57:24.342
Well, basically,

00:57:25.302 --> 00:57:28.907
the story is that they had the comics,

00:57:29.447 --> 00:57:30.048
and so they were going to

00:57:30.068 --> 00:57:31.331
get action figures made.

00:57:32.070 --> 00:57:33.172
But the action figures,

00:57:34.554 --> 00:57:36.217
they were basically told,

00:57:36.257 --> 00:57:37.257
if you're going to do action figures,

00:57:37.277 --> 00:57:37.958
you've got to have a cartoon,

00:57:37.978 --> 00:57:39.119
because you've got to sell them somehow.

00:57:39.954 --> 00:57:41.876
So the cartoon was literally

00:57:41.898 --> 00:57:43.039
made to sell action figures,

00:57:43.139 --> 00:57:44.340
but it was a comic first.

00:57:45.742 --> 00:57:48.244
And you can get the original

00:57:48.284 --> 00:57:50.869
Ninja Turtles in the black

00:57:50.929 --> 00:57:53.291
with the red eye band.

00:57:54.293 --> 00:57:55.293
You can find those.

00:57:55.434 --> 00:57:56.155
They make those.

00:57:56.215 --> 00:57:57.777
I can't remember which company does it,

00:57:57.916 --> 00:57:58.137
but...

00:57:59.106 --> 00:58:01.489
Like I'm very much of the

00:58:01.528 --> 00:58:03.210
thought of if I'm going to get them,

00:58:03.250 --> 00:58:04.431
I want them all at once.

00:58:04.911 --> 00:58:05.913
That way I don't have to be

00:58:05.952 --> 00:58:06.572
searching for them.

00:58:06.612 --> 00:58:07.373
And I've never been able to

00:58:07.393 --> 00:58:08.735
find all four at once or

00:58:09.235 --> 00:58:10.817
like a multi-pack with all of them.

00:58:11.157 --> 00:58:12.257
But if I ever come across it,

00:58:12.318 --> 00:58:13.599
I'll definitely, that's one of my.

00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:14.420
I mean,

00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:16.161
you can just get Michelangelo and

00:58:16.221 --> 00:58:18.643
just call it the last Ronin.

00:58:18.702 --> 00:58:19.583
No, I have a last Ronin.

00:58:20.190 --> 00:58:21.811
No, I know, but I'm just kidding.

00:58:22.512 --> 00:58:23.813
If you just got Michelangelo

00:58:24.193 --> 00:58:25.934
and somebody asks you why

00:58:25.954 --> 00:58:27.675
you don't have the full set,

00:58:27.695 --> 00:58:28.255
you'd just be like, well,

00:58:28.275 --> 00:58:28.795
he's the last Ronin.

00:58:28.815 --> 00:58:30.936
That's true.

00:58:31.097 --> 00:58:31.536
That's true.

00:58:31.978 --> 00:58:32.557
And like I said,

00:58:34.699 --> 00:58:37.181
I have the entire run of the last Ronin.

00:58:37.481 --> 00:58:38.320
That's probably been one of

00:58:38.340 --> 00:58:40.643
my favorite comments of the

00:58:40.702 --> 00:58:41.782
original last Ronin.

00:58:41.963 --> 00:58:44.085
The re-evolution was good,

00:58:44.804 --> 00:58:45.865
but that original last

00:58:45.905 --> 00:58:48.027
Ronin just hit completely different.

00:58:48.246 --> 00:58:48.427
Yeah.

00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:51.942
I think oh, sorry.

00:58:51.961 --> 00:58:53.101
Go ahead No, no,

00:58:53.121 --> 00:58:53.782
you go ahead and make your

00:58:53.802 --> 00:58:54.422
point because we're gonna

00:58:54.481 --> 00:58:55.722
jump into the actual

00:58:55.762 --> 00:58:58.143
Kickstarter after your your statement.

00:58:58.543 --> 00:58:58.864
Yeah Well,

00:58:58.884 --> 00:59:00.023
I mean the thing about I like

00:59:00.043 --> 00:59:00.983
about Ninja Turtles that

00:59:01.023 --> 00:59:02.105
kind of influence if as

00:59:02.144 --> 00:59:03.065
well is the fact that the

00:59:03.085 --> 00:59:03.764
Ninja Turtles aren't

00:59:03.804 --> 00:59:04.846
necessarily heroes They're

00:59:04.865 --> 00:59:05.786
not really bad guys,

00:59:06.266 --> 00:59:07.045
but they are just kind of

00:59:07.065 --> 00:59:08.186
trying to survive in their

00:59:08.226 --> 00:59:10.206
own world and in this world

00:59:10.347 --> 00:59:12.128
superhumans some of them

00:59:13.068 --> 00:59:13.789
Don't do anything with

00:59:13.809 --> 00:59:14.528
their powers and they just

00:59:14.548 --> 00:59:15.369
kind of live their lives

00:59:16.449 --> 00:59:17.289
but like the ones who

00:59:18.150 --> 00:59:21.231
do take up heroing are doing

00:59:21.291 --> 00:59:23.550
it not because they've got some, you know,

00:59:23.650 --> 00:59:25.331
altruistic vendetta against

00:59:25.612 --> 00:59:26.911
crime or something like that,

00:59:27.172 --> 00:59:29.233
but also just because they want a way to,

00:59:29.472 --> 00:59:32.373
they can kind of have a

00:59:32.652 --> 00:59:36.134
place for them to have a purpose.

00:59:37.215 --> 00:59:38.855
And so they've got like a whole community.

00:59:38.875 --> 00:59:39.534
And the reason that they've

00:59:39.554 --> 00:59:40.635
got like outlandish

00:59:40.655 --> 00:59:41.856
costumes and names and all

00:59:41.876 --> 00:59:43.056
that stuff is that's all a

00:59:43.076 --> 00:59:43.755
community thing.

00:59:43.775 --> 00:59:43.976
You know,

00:59:43.996 --> 00:59:45.916
like it's marginalized groups

00:59:46.056 --> 00:59:46.936
build up kind of

00:59:47.882 --> 00:59:50.244
like cultural things that they,

00:59:51.164 --> 00:59:52.266
you associate with them.

00:59:52.365 --> 00:59:53.347
And that's just kind of a

00:59:53.387 --> 00:59:54.367
way that they celebrate

00:59:54.387 --> 00:59:55.528
their own identity in a

00:59:55.548 --> 00:59:56.050
world that doesn't

00:59:56.090 --> 00:59:57.610
necessarily always celebrate them.

00:59:59.012 --> 01:00:00.893
So it's almost as if, you know,

01:00:00.914 --> 01:00:02.115
they're not really doing it

01:00:02.335 --> 01:00:03.137
to improve the world,

01:00:03.157 --> 01:00:04.318
although that's kind of like they don't,

01:00:04.338 --> 01:00:04.518
you know,

01:00:04.538 --> 01:00:06.320
they wouldn't mind improving the world,

01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:07.661
but it's also just kind of

01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.182
for them as much as it is anybody else.

01:00:10.202 --> 01:00:11.784
And I kind of,

01:00:13.307 --> 01:00:15.530
had the Ninja Turtles in

01:00:15.570 --> 01:00:16.731
mind when I was thinking

01:00:16.773 --> 01:00:18.173
about that because the Ninja Turtles,

01:00:18.894 --> 01:00:19.835
they might save the world,

01:00:19.876 --> 01:00:24.702
but that's not their life's

01:00:24.782 --> 01:00:25.503
mission or anything.

01:00:25.543 --> 01:00:27.226
It's just that they're kind

01:00:27.266 --> 01:00:30.489
of cast adrift in a world

01:00:30.510 --> 01:00:31.771
that doesn't care about them.

01:00:34.387 --> 01:00:35.909
Yeah, you nailed that one.

01:00:36.891 --> 01:00:37.992
So let's jump into the

01:00:38.072 --> 01:00:41.556
actual Kickstarter for issue number four.

01:00:42.177 --> 01:00:44.478
Why can't fans expect in

01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:46.621
issue four that they

01:00:46.641 --> 01:00:48.543
haven't seen previously

01:00:48.664 --> 01:00:51.827
from Zilp or any of the other characters?

01:00:53.443 --> 01:00:57.088
Well, this issue is our longest one so far,

01:00:57.547 --> 01:00:58.929
at thirty-one pages.

01:01:02.152 --> 01:01:06.094
We've got several stories

01:01:06.114 --> 01:01:07.195
going on at the same time,

01:01:07.215 --> 01:01:07.737
so there's going to be

01:01:08.496 --> 01:01:08.737
you know,

01:01:08.757 --> 01:01:10.480
some good Pinch Drive from Dog's

01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:11.081
Body stuff.

01:01:11.121 --> 01:01:12.081
You're also going to see

01:01:12.561 --> 01:01:13.443
somebody they're working with,

01:01:13.483 --> 01:01:14.605
one of the scientists from

01:01:14.664 --> 01:01:16.507
the classified research team.

01:01:16.527 --> 01:01:19.030
So we'll meet somebody new

01:01:19.050 --> 01:01:19.731
from the classified

01:01:19.751 --> 01:01:21.213
research team and the

01:01:21.233 --> 01:01:22.375
classified research is the

01:01:22.414 --> 01:01:23.715
department that Pinch Drive

01:01:23.735 --> 01:01:25.518
from Dog's Body work for.

01:01:25.539 --> 01:01:26.699
They're kind of a mysterious

01:01:27.681 --> 01:01:29.702
um sort of well science team

01:01:29.742 --> 01:01:32.282
but even the people who are

01:01:32.342 --> 01:01:33.184
working for them don't

01:01:33.264 --> 01:01:35.025
really know what they're

01:01:35.045 --> 01:01:36.045
doing they're just told to

01:01:36.085 --> 01:01:37.186
go here and press this

01:01:37.246 --> 01:01:38.306
button on this machine and

01:01:38.746 --> 01:01:40.306
record this data but

01:01:40.327 --> 01:01:42.007
they're not entirely certain what

01:01:42.708 --> 01:01:44.648
is there even really doing

01:01:45.268 --> 01:01:46.610
um so it's all quite

01:01:46.650 --> 01:01:47.851
mysterious so you know kind

01:01:47.891 --> 01:01:49.110
of um we'll learn a little

01:01:49.130 --> 01:01:50.612
bit more about them and

01:01:50.731 --> 01:01:52.333
some more pieces of the

01:01:52.353 --> 01:01:53.474
puzzle will fall into place

01:01:54.193 --> 01:01:55.255
um like I said before as

01:01:55.295 --> 01:01:56.414
well zip's going to meet

01:01:56.554 --> 01:01:57.496
more of the superhuman

01:01:57.536 --> 01:02:00.056
community uh and the reason

01:02:00.077 --> 01:02:00.978
I mean one of the big

01:02:01.018 --> 01:02:02.438
reasons that I'd like that

01:02:02.677 --> 01:02:05.039
to happen is so that we can see kind of

01:02:05.744 --> 01:02:05.945
you know,

01:02:06.465 --> 01:02:07.764
more different attitudes to

01:02:07.985 --> 01:02:10.885
superheroing and, you know, what the,

01:02:10.925 --> 01:02:11.865
you know,

01:02:11.885 --> 01:02:14.306
the etiquette of all that is and

01:02:14.726 --> 01:02:16.067
what their culture is and stuff.

01:02:16.106 --> 01:02:16.766
But, you know,

01:02:16.786 --> 01:02:17.987
it's also just going to have

01:02:18.047 --> 01:02:20.208
more characters for Zip to play off.

01:02:20.387 --> 01:02:20.847
And, you know,

01:02:21.068 --> 01:02:22.447
the other thing I will say as well,

01:02:22.487 --> 01:02:23.708
and I don't want to give away too much,

01:02:23.788 --> 01:02:25.248
but the thing is,

01:02:26.009 --> 01:02:28.108
Zip needs to gain something

01:02:28.228 --> 01:02:29.548
in order to lose something.

01:02:29.688 --> 01:02:31.110
So you're going to start to

01:02:31.130 --> 01:02:32.309
see the start of something.

01:02:32.369 --> 01:02:33.030
I think this issue...

01:02:34.516 --> 01:02:36.197
could be where you really

01:02:36.257 --> 01:02:37.938
start to see like a wider

01:02:37.978 --> 01:02:40.121
story coming in.

01:02:40.201 --> 01:02:40.360
I mean,

01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:42.561
I like to write each of our issues

01:02:42.922 --> 01:02:45.003
where you can kind of read

01:02:45.023 --> 01:02:46.105
them on their own and not

01:02:46.184 --> 01:02:47.085
have to read the rest.

01:02:47.164 --> 01:02:49.327
But if you have read the

01:02:49.347 --> 01:02:50.547
rest and you read them all,

01:02:50.588 --> 01:02:52.648
then you get like a bigger

01:02:52.708 --> 01:02:54.931
picture than you would have

01:02:54.951 --> 01:02:56.692
if you just read the one.

01:02:56.751 --> 01:02:58.132
I will say the first three

01:02:58.172 --> 01:03:01.355
did feel very much standalone.

01:03:02.202 --> 01:03:04.523
But the first one built for the second one,

01:03:04.563 --> 01:03:05.585
built for the third one.

01:03:06.005 --> 01:03:07.385
And then in the fourth,

01:03:07.505 --> 01:03:08.646
you kind of left us with a

01:03:08.686 --> 01:03:10.648
little bit of a,

01:03:10.668 --> 01:03:12.048
I don't want to say a cliffhanger,

01:03:12.068 --> 01:03:13.130
but it was a cliffhanger

01:03:13.170 --> 01:03:16.132
compared to the other three.

01:03:17.012 --> 01:03:18.893
I mean,

01:03:18.914 --> 01:03:20.436
there are little cliffhangers here

01:03:20.456 --> 01:03:21.155
and there, I'd say.

01:03:21.235 --> 01:03:22.317
But, you know, I mean,

01:03:23.378 --> 01:03:24.438
I just don't want it to be

01:03:24.518 --> 01:03:25.759
like you pick up, you know,

01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:27.360
if you've only been able to pick up,

01:03:28.436 --> 01:03:30.016
issue three or whatever you

01:03:30.056 --> 01:03:31.018
read it and it's like it's

01:03:31.038 --> 01:03:31.918
just mentioning a bunch of

01:03:31.958 --> 01:03:32.778
stuff that you need for

01:03:32.818 --> 01:03:33.838
context to understand the

01:03:33.858 --> 01:03:34.440
story and you just

01:03:34.460 --> 01:03:36.440
completely lost um you know

01:03:36.561 --> 01:03:37.601
I mean I think at a certain

01:03:37.641 --> 01:03:39.282
point uh that might be

01:03:39.322 --> 01:03:40.284
necessary but I'm gonna try

01:03:40.304 --> 01:03:41.885
and avoid it um you know

01:03:41.985 --> 01:03:42.905
I'm gonna try and make them

01:03:43.284 --> 01:03:46.748
um you know kind of a happy

01:03:46.788 --> 01:03:47.867
medium between them being

01:03:47.927 --> 01:03:49.909
stand enough that you can

01:03:50.269 --> 01:03:51.431
enjoy them and learn but

01:03:52.050 --> 01:03:53.351
also you know you're kind

01:03:53.371 --> 01:03:55.193
of rewarded for reading them all too

01:03:56.125 --> 01:03:58.467
um I can't remember what oh

01:03:58.527 --> 01:03:59.949
yeah so the so what we're

01:03:59.969 --> 01:04:02.891
seeing in issue four um and

01:04:02.952 --> 01:04:03.692
obviously we've got the

01:04:03.711 --> 01:04:04.893
other time travel element

01:04:05.074 --> 01:04:06.195
um there will be kind of

01:04:06.275 --> 01:04:09.257
like um this issue kind of

01:04:09.297 --> 01:04:10.378
makes a point about you

01:04:10.398 --> 01:04:12.780
know knife crime um and not

01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:14.041
necessarily even just knife

01:04:14.061 --> 01:04:14.902
crime but just being kind

01:04:14.943 --> 01:04:17.085
of young and you know being

01:04:17.144 --> 01:04:17.965
kind of like a young

01:04:19.715 --> 01:04:22.496
you know, maybe too boisterous,

01:04:23.016 --> 01:04:23.797
like young man,

01:04:24.336 --> 01:04:25.237
and getting yourself into

01:04:25.297 --> 01:04:28.318
kind of trouble over masculine, you know,

01:04:28.358 --> 01:04:30.079
bullshit, macho bullshit.

01:04:33.041 --> 01:04:34.041
Yeah, so there's that too.

01:04:34.061 --> 01:04:35.163
So there's, I mean,

01:04:35.182 --> 01:04:37.583
there's a lot of stories

01:04:37.603 --> 01:04:38.983
coming together in this one.

01:04:40.425 --> 01:04:41.085
And I mean,

01:04:41.405 --> 01:04:44.146
it's the start of getting some

01:04:44.186 --> 01:04:46.027
wider context for who Zip

01:04:46.088 --> 01:04:47.387
is and why she does things

01:04:47.427 --> 01:04:48.429
the way she does too.

01:04:51.003 --> 01:04:52.625
No, I've enjoyed it, man.

01:04:53.005 --> 01:04:56.365
And so this is a question I

01:04:56.626 --> 01:04:58.005
ask almost everybody who

01:04:58.045 --> 01:04:59.327
comes on with a Kickstarter

01:04:59.646 --> 01:05:00.827
and they've done multiples.

01:05:01.427 --> 01:05:02.387
So from your first

01:05:02.487 --> 01:05:03.827
Kickstarter that you did to

01:05:03.867 --> 01:05:05.108
where you're at now,

01:05:05.688 --> 01:05:07.088
like what's some of your

01:05:07.148 --> 01:05:08.088
biggest lessons or

01:05:08.148 --> 01:05:09.510
takeaways for anybody who

01:05:09.570 --> 01:05:11.590
may be thinking about, you know, like,

01:05:11.650 --> 01:05:11.789
hey,

01:05:11.809 --> 01:05:13.590
I want to do a Kickstarter for my next,

01:05:13.690 --> 01:05:13.931
you know,

01:05:14.431 --> 01:05:16.112
or I want to do a comic book or

01:05:16.132 --> 01:05:16.871
whatever it may be.

01:05:18.271 --> 01:05:18.811
but I want to use

01:05:18.891 --> 01:05:20.052
Kickstarter as kind of like

01:05:20.072 --> 01:05:21.733
that launching point for this.

01:05:22.293 --> 01:05:22.853
What are some of your

01:05:23.054 --> 01:05:24.496
biggest lessons learned or

01:05:24.556 --> 01:05:25.757
takeaways from doing that?

01:05:25.777 --> 01:05:26.097
Because, I mean,

01:05:26.117 --> 01:05:27.197
you're on your fourth book.

01:05:28.778 --> 01:05:29.278
What's your biggest

01:05:29.298 --> 01:05:30.480
takeaways on that and your

01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:31.199
lessons learned?

01:05:31.340 --> 01:05:32.141
I mean, there's so many,

01:05:32.201 --> 01:05:35.324
but I think you got to –

01:05:36.184 --> 01:05:36.264
Well,

01:05:36.384 --> 01:05:38.465
one thing is you actually want to use

01:05:38.505 --> 01:05:39.686
Kickstarter before you make

01:05:39.726 --> 01:05:41.586
your own campaign for several reasons.

01:05:42.246 --> 01:05:43.907
Kickstarter is a community,

01:05:44.628 --> 01:05:45.668
and you have to engage with

01:05:45.688 --> 01:05:46.949
that community earnestly.

01:05:47.268 --> 01:05:50.530
Otherwise, people are going to notice.

01:05:50.670 --> 01:05:54.132
You can't be all take and no give.

01:05:55.413 --> 01:05:56.273
But the other reason that

01:05:56.293 --> 01:05:57.454
you want to be using

01:05:57.494 --> 01:05:59.894
Kickstarter as a backer is

01:05:59.954 --> 01:06:01.315
just you will learn what

01:06:01.376 --> 01:06:02.777
you like personally,

01:06:02.896 --> 01:06:04.177
and you'll form opinions

01:06:04.197 --> 01:06:05.018
about Kickstarter

01:06:06.108 --> 01:06:07.048
And it'll make it much

01:06:07.090 --> 01:06:08.070
easier for you to design

01:06:08.309 --> 01:06:10.210
rewards and design a story

01:06:10.291 --> 01:06:11.132
and design everything like

01:06:11.152 --> 01:06:13.492
that because you'll have seen it,

01:06:13.592 --> 01:06:13.793
you know,

01:06:13.813 --> 01:06:15.273
and you'll know what the

01:06:15.293 --> 01:06:17.014
experience is like on the back or side.

01:06:18.735 --> 01:06:19.556
So that's really important.

01:06:19.675 --> 01:06:21.376
Oh, the other thing I'd say, one big,

01:06:21.496 --> 01:06:23.197
I think the first tip I'd

01:06:23.237 --> 01:06:24.777
tell anyone who's ever thinking like, oh,

01:06:24.797 --> 01:06:25.878
maybe I'll do a Kickstarter

01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:26.739
in the future.

01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:28.159
If you've ever thought, oh,

01:06:28.179 --> 01:06:29.280
maybe I'll do a Kickstarter

01:06:29.420 --> 01:06:29.920
in the future.

01:06:31.041 --> 01:06:32.362
kick cut the in the future

01:06:32.461 --> 01:06:33.362
out right now because the

01:06:33.382 --> 01:06:34.402
thing is you can create a

01:06:34.443 --> 01:06:35.762
campaign you can create a

01:06:35.802 --> 01:06:36.923
project and then just not

01:06:37.083 --> 01:06:38.543
launch it and just keep

01:06:38.565 --> 01:06:40.085
that indefinitely so if

01:06:40.144 --> 01:06:41.226
even if you have you don't

01:06:41.246 --> 01:06:42.565
have us anything specific

01:06:42.606 --> 01:06:44.427
to create just create your

01:06:44.467 --> 01:06:48.248
project and you can see the

01:06:48.329 --> 01:06:49.789
interface and learn what

01:06:50.009 --> 01:06:51.650
it's like and you'll see

01:06:51.670 --> 01:06:52.710
all of this different stuff

01:06:52.731 --> 01:06:54.010
that you have to do to get

01:06:54.030 --> 01:06:55.711
kickstarter ready and you can just

01:06:56.382 --> 01:06:57.402
kind of get that ready in

01:06:57.422 --> 01:06:58.684
your own time and you don't

01:06:58.724 --> 01:06:59.563
have to launch it.

01:06:59.884 --> 01:07:00.884
I mean, obviously if you launch it,

01:07:00.903 --> 01:07:02.224
then you're under a time

01:07:02.244 --> 01:07:04.125
constraint and that's a lot more stress,

01:07:04.184 --> 01:07:07.126
but you can just create a project,

01:07:07.206 --> 01:07:11.047
no stress, just to learn how to do it.

01:07:11.088 --> 01:07:12.108
So you might as well,

01:07:12.188 --> 01:07:14.128
even if you've got nothing specific to do,

01:07:14.168 --> 01:07:15.429
you might as well just

01:07:15.449 --> 01:07:16.949
create a project just to

01:07:17.108 --> 01:07:18.289
test it out and learn.

01:07:18.650 --> 01:07:21.331
And as long as you don't get your

01:07:22.289 --> 01:07:24.652
you know, send it off for, you know,

01:07:24.731 --> 01:07:25.532
validation or whatever,

01:07:25.873 --> 01:07:26.853
moderation or anything,

01:07:26.873 --> 01:07:27.514
you should be fine.

01:07:29.074 --> 01:07:32.056
The other thing is you got to do some math,

01:07:32.197 --> 01:07:32.918
unfortunately.

01:07:34.438 --> 01:07:35.880
So... Everybody wants to do math.

01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:37.260
Yeah, I know.

01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:39.202
And in the immortal words of Jason Pargin,

01:07:39.902 --> 01:07:41.063
numbers are stupid and we

01:07:41.083 --> 01:07:41.764
shouldn't have them.

01:07:42.764 --> 01:07:45.106
Anyway... Three words.

01:07:45.327 --> 01:07:48.048
Yeah.

01:07:48.088 --> 01:07:48.809
So, I mean...

01:07:50.382 --> 01:07:51.503
Yeah, so basically,

01:07:51.903 --> 01:07:52.764
there is this concept

01:07:52.784 --> 01:07:54.367
called price anchoring,

01:07:54.427 --> 01:07:58.291
where people will not want

01:07:58.331 --> 01:07:59.411
to necessarily go for the

01:07:59.452 --> 01:08:00.893
cheapest option because they'll want to,

01:08:00.954 --> 01:08:01.755
you know, they're like, oh,

01:08:01.795 --> 01:08:02.936
I've been spending some money, I want to,

01:08:02.976 --> 01:08:04.297
you know, at least get myself something,

01:08:04.317 --> 01:08:04.538
you know.

01:08:05.438 --> 01:08:06.280
But they'll also not want to

01:08:06.300 --> 01:08:07.121
get the most expensive

01:08:07.300 --> 01:08:08.041
option because they want to

01:08:08.081 --> 01:08:08.902
be a little bit frugal.

01:08:09.722 --> 01:08:11.125
So people tend to go for

01:08:11.184 --> 01:08:14.028
like a median average of your prices.

01:08:14.409 --> 01:08:15.010
And this is something you

01:08:15.030 --> 01:08:17.052
can work out mathematically, okay?

01:08:17.472 --> 01:08:19.015
So when you're doing a

01:08:19.034 --> 01:08:20.237
Kickstarter for your first time,

01:08:20.256 --> 01:08:21.318
what you need to do is you

01:08:21.358 --> 01:08:22.840
have to try and think how

01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:24.322
many backers am I actually

01:08:24.421 --> 01:08:25.403
realistically gonna get?

01:08:25.422 --> 01:08:26.784
Because when you get that number,

01:08:27.546 --> 01:08:28.846
you can do some maths and

01:08:28.886 --> 01:08:29.768
figure out what your

01:08:29.927 --> 01:08:31.448
average pledge needs to be

01:08:31.908 --> 01:08:32.909
for you to hit your goal.

01:08:32.970 --> 01:08:33.869
And then you can set your

01:08:33.909 --> 01:08:34.930
goal based on that.

01:08:35.350 --> 01:08:36.452
So say, for example,

01:08:36.532 --> 01:08:39.873
you are a creator with, I don't know,

01:08:39.953 --> 01:08:40.234
I mean,

01:08:40.335 --> 01:08:42.615
a social media with I don't know

01:08:42.655 --> 01:08:43.756
how many followers.

01:08:44.256 --> 01:08:45.698
And then you get you get you

01:08:45.717 --> 01:08:47.600
need you need to find a way that you can

01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:50.121
ballpark how many people

01:08:50.140 --> 01:08:51.061
you're going to get back in

01:08:51.082 --> 01:08:52.483
your thing so you probably

01:08:52.502 --> 01:08:53.422
want to just write write

01:08:53.443 --> 01:08:54.404
down a list of your friends

01:08:54.444 --> 01:08:55.364
and family you can send a

01:08:55.385 --> 01:08:56.345
link to you want to send uh

01:08:57.466 --> 01:08:58.487
you write down a list of

01:08:58.667 --> 01:08:59.648
like news sources you can

01:08:59.688 --> 01:09:00.768
send your link to to press

01:09:00.787 --> 01:09:02.168
release with on the down

01:09:02.189 --> 01:09:04.051
the tubes uh website

01:09:04.070 --> 01:09:06.131
there's a great article by

01:09:06.471 --> 01:09:08.033
uh john freeman talking

01:09:08.052 --> 01:09:08.793
about how you can get a

01:09:08.833 --> 01:09:09.533
press release for your

01:09:09.554 --> 01:09:12.536
comics so google that um so

01:09:12.655 --> 01:09:13.737
you want to you want a list

01:09:13.877 --> 01:09:15.497
of who am I going to send

01:09:15.518 --> 01:09:17.139
this to and how likely do I

01:09:17.158 --> 01:09:18.020
think these people are going to

01:09:19.100 --> 01:09:22.203
and try and empirically

01:09:22.222 --> 01:09:24.024
figure out as much as you can,

01:09:24.104 --> 01:09:25.845
how many backers you might get.

01:09:26.345 --> 01:09:27.806
Then think about what does

01:09:27.846 --> 01:09:28.688
my goal need to be?

01:09:29.748 --> 01:09:31.529
And then take that goal,

01:09:32.010 --> 01:09:33.131
divide it by the number of

01:09:33.171 --> 01:09:34.252
your projected backers,

01:09:34.351 --> 01:09:36.212
and you have the average

01:09:36.554 --> 01:09:38.395
pledge amount that you need

01:09:39.114 --> 01:09:41.136
to make that comic successful.

01:09:42.097 --> 01:09:43.378
So then you're unfortunately

01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:44.238
going to have to do yet

01:09:44.378 --> 01:09:45.600
more maths because...

01:09:46.820 --> 01:09:49.601
Because take the rewards

01:09:49.641 --> 01:09:51.122
that you currently have

01:09:51.243 --> 01:09:53.743
made and then work out the

01:09:54.064 --> 01:09:56.545
median average of those.

01:09:57.244 --> 01:09:57.564
Okay?

01:09:57.965 --> 01:09:59.466
If the median average of

01:09:59.506 --> 01:10:01.506
those is lower than the

01:10:01.645 --> 01:10:03.447
average pledge amount that you need,

01:10:04.466 --> 01:10:05.108
that's not good.

01:10:05.127 --> 01:10:06.887
You need to rectify that.

01:10:06.927 --> 01:10:08.769
So your median...

01:10:09.712 --> 01:10:10.953
rewards needs to be around

01:10:10.993 --> 01:10:12.335
about the average pledge or

01:10:12.375 --> 01:10:14.277
higher for your campaign to

01:10:14.296 --> 01:10:15.016
be successful.

01:10:15.457 --> 01:10:16.318
And there are, you know,

01:10:16.557 --> 01:10:18.220
you can Google work out

01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:19.340
median average into Google.

01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:19.881
So you don't even

01:10:19.921 --> 01:10:21.082
necessarily have to do it yourself.

01:10:21.101 --> 01:10:22.563
You can just put the number array in there,

01:10:23.002 --> 01:10:23.823
but yeah, you've got to do that.

01:10:23.844 --> 01:10:24.984
You've got to do that mass

01:10:25.145 --> 01:10:26.845
because I've seen people who are like,

01:10:26.905 --> 01:10:29.207
why isn't my campaign, you know,

01:10:29.228 --> 01:10:29.747
doing well.

01:10:30.229 --> 01:10:30.708
And I looked at their

01:10:30.748 --> 01:10:31.829
campaign and they're asking

01:10:31.869 --> 01:10:33.211
for so much money.

01:10:33.711 --> 01:10:35.051
And I looked at the, you know,

01:10:35.192 --> 01:10:36.493
amount of backers they have

01:10:36.533 --> 01:10:37.994
and they've got like, twelve hours left.

01:10:38.734 --> 01:10:40.956
and you divide the the goal

01:10:40.975 --> 01:10:41.855
that they were asking for

01:10:41.916 --> 01:10:43.176
via the the backers and

01:10:43.195 --> 01:10:44.115
they've they've done you

01:10:44.155 --> 01:10:45.136
know I've seen people who

01:10:45.157 --> 01:10:47.037
do multiple campaigns who

01:10:47.056 --> 01:10:48.216
consistently get the same

01:10:48.277 --> 01:10:49.318
number of backers so they

01:10:49.358 --> 01:10:50.398
don't it's not even like

01:10:50.417 --> 01:10:51.097
they don't know how many

01:10:51.118 --> 01:10:51.778
backers they're going to

01:10:51.797 --> 01:10:52.719
get you can clearly see how

01:10:52.738 --> 01:10:53.519
many backers you're going

01:10:53.538 --> 01:10:54.158
to get yeah because you've

01:10:54.179 --> 01:10:55.158
done this multiple times

01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:56.380
right and you're setting a

01:10:56.420 --> 01:10:58.319
goal where your average

01:10:58.359 --> 01:10:59.319
pledge would have to be

01:10:59.380 --> 01:11:00.581
like sixty dollars or

01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:01.240
something but you're

01:11:01.280 --> 01:11:02.180
clearly getting an average

01:11:02.220 --> 01:11:05.082
pledge of like twenty dollars okay so

01:11:06.021 --> 01:11:07.162
you I mean you either have

01:11:07.181 --> 01:11:08.242
to get more backers or you

01:11:08.282 --> 01:11:09.962
have to set realistic

01:11:10.023 --> 01:11:11.122
expectations of yourself

01:11:11.162 --> 01:11:13.363
yeah or you have to get

01:11:13.403 --> 01:11:14.524
into price anchoring and

01:11:14.583 --> 01:11:15.564
figure out how to get your

01:11:15.644 --> 01:11:17.963
average pledge higher um

01:11:18.064 --> 01:11:19.145
and that involves price

01:11:19.244 --> 01:11:20.064
anchoring which if you

01:11:20.085 --> 01:11:20.685
don't know what price

01:11:20.765 --> 01:11:21.885
anchoring is google it

01:11:21.925 --> 01:11:22.824
because it's a whole thing

01:11:22.845 --> 01:11:23.885
it's like a psychological

01:11:23.925 --> 01:11:26.206
tactic in sales uh so yeah

01:11:26.265 --> 01:11:27.765
understand price anchoring

01:11:27.786 --> 01:11:30.226
that's important too um and

01:11:30.287 --> 01:11:31.987
do all the math I said unfortunately

01:11:33.150 --> 01:11:33.971
It's funny you brought that

01:11:33.992 --> 01:11:35.314
up because as a consumer

01:11:35.354 --> 01:11:37.235
who will back Kickstarters,

01:11:37.617 --> 01:11:40.119
when I go on their Kickstarter campaign,

01:11:40.841 --> 01:11:42.583
one of the first things I do is I'm like,

01:11:42.984 --> 01:11:44.046
where am I getting the most

01:11:44.246 --> 01:11:47.130
bang for my buck?

01:11:47.289 --> 01:11:48.572
And I'm going to look at that.

01:11:49.195 --> 01:11:50.737
And I'm going to base my

01:11:50.777 --> 01:11:52.337
pledge on where I'm getting

01:11:52.377 --> 01:11:53.717
the most bang for my buck.

01:11:54.059 --> 01:11:54.279
Yeah.

01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:55.960
And there's some out there they'll have a,

01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:56.819
like a,

01:11:56.939 --> 01:11:58.961
let's say like a sissy dollar tier

01:11:59.702 --> 01:12:01.122
where I'm getting basically

01:12:01.242 --> 01:12:03.963
that person's whole catalog of books.

01:12:05.546 --> 01:12:07.747
And if I'm getting five

01:12:07.806 --> 01:12:10.288
books plus their new stuff,

01:12:10.828 --> 01:12:11.689
I'm immediately going to

01:12:11.890 --> 01:12:14.091
want to support that tier

01:12:14.511 --> 01:12:15.631
because I'm getting more

01:12:16.412 --> 01:12:18.293
bang for my buck on what

01:12:18.314 --> 01:12:20.095
that average book would cost.

01:12:20.555 --> 01:12:21.355
I mean that's definitely –

01:12:30.728 --> 01:12:31.609
But I'm also getting it

01:12:31.729 --> 01:12:32.970
digitally as well as some

01:12:33.010 --> 01:12:35.211
additional digital artwork

01:12:35.430 --> 01:12:37.573
or something like that.

01:12:37.693 --> 01:12:38.993
I always want to get the

01:12:39.033 --> 01:12:40.295
most bang for my buck

01:12:40.814 --> 01:12:44.717
because a I'm not I don't

01:12:44.738 --> 01:12:45.719
want to say I'm frugal.

01:12:46.716 --> 01:12:47.516
but I'm going to look to

01:12:47.556 --> 01:12:48.399
where I'm getting the most

01:12:48.418 --> 01:12:49.619
for my money that I've

01:12:49.659 --> 01:12:50.662
worked hard to earn.

01:12:51.021 --> 01:12:51.202
Yeah,

01:12:51.221 --> 01:12:52.444
and there is definitely a type of

01:12:52.484 --> 01:12:54.065
backer who will behave that way.

01:12:54.105 --> 01:12:56.069
However, I should say as well,

01:12:56.109 --> 01:12:57.029
it's important to know that

01:12:57.050 --> 01:12:59.033
not every backer behaves the same way.

01:12:59.332 --> 01:13:00.314
And when you are setting

01:13:00.333 --> 01:13:02.717
your prices for price anchoring,

01:13:02.757 --> 01:13:03.958
you do have to think about

01:13:04.619 --> 01:13:05.980
when somebody looks at this

01:13:06.100 --> 01:13:07.322
and actually thinks about

01:13:07.362 --> 01:13:08.061
whether they want to buy it

01:13:08.101 --> 01:13:09.342
or not like it has to make

01:13:09.443 --> 01:13:11.042
it has to make sense you

01:13:11.063 --> 01:13:12.323
can't just set your prices

01:13:12.363 --> 01:13:14.324
based on maths and not you

01:13:14.345 --> 01:13:15.546
know there's a real person

01:13:15.565 --> 01:13:16.405
going to be looking at this

01:13:16.506 --> 01:13:17.726
and deciding whether to buy

01:13:17.766 --> 01:13:18.908
it so it also has to make

01:13:18.948 --> 01:13:20.448
sense you have to set

01:13:20.488 --> 01:13:22.088
prices that are worth it

01:13:22.609 --> 01:13:24.530
but that just means maybe

01:13:24.551 --> 01:13:25.131
you're going to have to

01:13:25.171 --> 01:13:26.372
think of some more rewards

01:13:26.532 --> 01:13:27.231
or maybe you're going to

01:13:27.252 --> 01:13:28.953
have to think about you

01:13:28.972 --> 01:13:30.134
know you're going to have

01:13:30.154 --> 01:13:31.493
to think practically about

01:13:31.514 --> 01:13:32.255
it I mean there's a lot

01:13:33.015 --> 01:13:35.436
to think about um so if

01:13:35.476 --> 01:13:36.837
you're not getting the the

01:13:36.997 --> 01:13:38.257
the median average you need

01:13:38.819 --> 01:13:40.460
out of your um rewards you

01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:41.780
could lower the the reward

01:13:42.121 --> 01:13:44.242
goal that is true the the

01:13:44.261 --> 01:13:45.162
the campaign goal that is

01:13:45.222 --> 01:13:47.024
true however if you def

01:13:47.043 --> 01:13:49.586
definitely need that campaign goal then

01:13:50.206 --> 01:13:52.506
what you might need to do is think about,

01:13:52.686 --> 01:13:53.207
OK, well,

01:13:53.247 --> 01:13:54.728
what are the rewards that I can

01:13:54.787 --> 01:13:59.630
offer that are very, very cheap or free?

01:14:00.470 --> 01:14:00.949
For example,

01:14:00.989 --> 01:14:03.731
my whole thing with giving the

01:14:03.752 --> 01:14:05.032
names in the back of the comic,

01:14:05.391 --> 01:14:06.813
that's free, but people like it.

01:14:07.292 --> 01:14:08.613
And you can use that to

01:14:09.413 --> 01:14:11.073
increase the value of a tier

01:14:12.534 --> 01:14:13.515
You know, you think about that.

01:14:13.615 --> 01:14:14.556
That's a really cool one.

01:14:15.176 --> 01:14:16.238
You're you're the well,

01:14:16.257 --> 01:14:17.219
I don't want to say you're the first.

01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:18.479
I've seen others do it, too.

01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:19.680
But I've also seen others

01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:21.021
who do that charge

01:14:21.162 --> 01:14:23.023
astronomical prices to do that.

01:14:23.444 --> 01:14:25.064
Well, that's not I mean, it does cost.

01:14:25.164 --> 01:14:25.805
I mean, you know,

01:14:25.945 --> 01:14:27.105
it's it doesn't really cost

01:14:27.126 --> 01:14:28.667
you anything to do it.

01:14:28.688 --> 01:14:29.007
The thing is,

01:14:29.328 --> 01:14:33.872
I was inspired by I was inspired by like.

01:14:34.966 --> 01:14:36.206
a lot of game Kickstarter

01:14:36.225 --> 01:14:37.646
because I'm a huge point

01:14:37.667 --> 01:14:38.487
and click adventure effect

01:14:38.506 --> 01:14:40.006
game fan and it's kind of a lost art.

01:14:40.828 --> 01:14:41.608
And there was this one,

01:14:42.427 --> 01:14:44.509
Thimbleweed Park by, you know,

01:14:45.009 --> 01:14:46.269
vet Ron Gilbert.

01:14:46.628 --> 01:14:47.668
They had a section where

01:14:49.069 --> 01:14:49.970
there's a library and you

01:14:49.989 --> 01:14:50.989
have to go and find a

01:14:51.029 --> 01:14:53.911
specific library book to solve a puzzle.

01:14:53.970 --> 01:14:54.511
But the thing is,

01:14:54.530 --> 01:14:55.671
they've got like a bunch of

01:14:55.711 --> 01:14:57.471
books in this library and

01:14:57.952 --> 01:14:59.435
They aren't just like generic, oh,

01:14:59.475 --> 01:15:00.177
I didn't find the right

01:15:00.198 --> 01:15:01.862
book and just put the book back.

01:15:02.363 --> 01:15:03.284
All of those books have

01:15:03.324 --> 01:15:04.167
something written in them.

01:15:04.627 --> 01:15:06.112
And they're all stuff that

01:15:06.131 --> 01:15:07.154
the backers were like,

01:15:07.900 --> 01:15:08.780
basically the backers for

01:15:08.801 --> 01:15:10.421
their Kickstarter got to

01:15:10.841 --> 01:15:12.202
write all of these library

01:15:12.221 --> 01:15:14.362
books in the library.

01:15:14.421 --> 01:15:15.322
And they're all kind of like

01:15:15.341 --> 01:15:16.323
jokey in their own way.

01:15:16.342 --> 01:15:17.523
So even if you don't get the right book,

01:15:17.542 --> 01:15:18.222
you're reading something

01:15:18.283 --> 01:15:19.462
funny that a backer wrote.

01:15:21.243 --> 01:15:21.963
And so, I mean,

01:15:22.024 --> 01:15:22.743
I'd love to do something

01:15:22.904 --> 01:15:23.884
kind of like that where you

01:15:23.904 --> 01:15:24.743
can actually even have the

01:15:24.783 --> 01:15:27.005
backer names in a script or

01:15:27.024 --> 01:15:28.664
something or something like that.

01:15:28.725 --> 01:15:31.145
It's really tough.

01:15:31.166 --> 01:15:33.065
I've seen some where like,

01:15:33.746 --> 01:15:35.166
you send them your image and

01:15:35.185 --> 01:15:37.087
they will write you in the comic book.

01:15:37.106 --> 01:15:38.386
Yeah, but I mean,

01:15:38.747 --> 01:15:39.908
that's a really nice idea,

01:15:39.967 --> 01:15:41.007
but it's like a logistical

01:15:41.167 --> 01:15:42.128
nightmare there because it

01:15:42.168 --> 01:15:44.248
means that you have to...

01:15:44.269 --> 01:15:45.930
The prices I see people

01:15:45.989 --> 01:15:48.270
charging for stuff like that, like, oh,

01:15:48.930 --> 01:15:49.150
you know,

01:15:49.211 --> 01:15:50.591
if you back it at this right

01:15:50.650 --> 01:15:52.612
here and you email me this,

01:15:53.032 --> 01:15:53.891
you're one of the first

01:15:53.992 --> 01:15:55.512
murder victims in this book,

01:15:55.573 --> 01:15:57.172
which I think is a cool concept,

01:15:58.153 --> 01:15:59.154
but they're charging an

01:15:59.333 --> 01:16:01.014
astronomical price for that.

01:16:01.033 --> 01:16:01.594
I mean,

01:16:01.613 --> 01:16:02.654
you're going to have to have that

01:16:02.694 --> 01:16:03.335
be like...

01:16:05.435 --> 01:16:06.277
If you're going to charge a lot,

01:16:06.296 --> 01:16:07.176
you're going to have to

01:16:07.238 --> 01:16:08.698
maybe have the artist be

01:16:08.719 --> 01:16:10.500
somebody who's like a name or something.

01:16:11.180 --> 01:16:13.563
Exactly.

01:16:13.622 --> 01:16:15.363
And the other big thing on Kickstarter is,

01:16:15.423 --> 01:16:16.925
I think you mentioned it briefly,

01:16:16.965 --> 01:16:17.765
but communicate.

01:16:17.786 --> 01:16:19.506
Oh, yeah.

01:16:19.546 --> 01:16:20.908
Communicate with your

01:16:21.168 --> 01:16:22.088
backers because it

01:16:22.208 --> 01:16:23.890
absolutely drives me crazy

01:16:23.930 --> 01:16:27.332
when I back something that

01:16:27.353 --> 01:16:28.474
we're passionate about

01:16:28.533 --> 01:16:29.895
because obviously we're

01:16:30.336 --> 01:16:31.697
working real money for this.

01:16:33.761 --> 01:16:33.881
I mean,

01:16:33.900 --> 01:16:35.023
I have to say sometimes it is

01:16:35.063 --> 01:16:36.324
difficult to even know what

01:16:36.345 --> 01:16:37.086
to say because when you're

01:16:37.105 --> 01:16:38.106
in a live campaign,

01:16:38.908 --> 01:16:39.949
like you're pretty much, I mean,

01:16:40.029 --> 01:16:41.493
it feels like you're, you know,

01:16:41.512 --> 01:16:42.875
you're working really long

01:16:42.914 --> 01:16:44.136
hours and everything, but it's just like,

01:16:45.542 --> 01:16:45.922
you know,

01:16:45.943 --> 01:16:47.724
it's essentially just like today I just,

01:16:48.003 --> 01:16:48.404
you know,

01:16:49.043 --> 01:16:51.125
sent a link to a bunch of people

01:16:51.404 --> 01:16:52.645
pretty much and then just kind of,

01:16:52.926 --> 01:16:53.145
you know,

01:16:53.206 --> 01:16:54.546
crop some images for social

01:16:54.565 --> 01:16:55.846
media and racked my brain

01:16:55.886 --> 01:16:56.787
about what new thing I

01:16:56.806 --> 01:16:59.868
could say about this book.

01:16:59.927 --> 01:17:01.328
So, you know, like, I mean,

01:17:01.368 --> 01:17:03.069
it's sometimes updates are

01:17:03.088 --> 01:17:05.130
hard to come up with because it's like,

01:17:05.170 --> 01:17:06.631
well, more of the same, but you know,

01:17:06.671 --> 01:17:08.030
you kind of still have to do it anyway.

01:17:08.211 --> 01:17:08.430
You know,

01:17:08.470 --> 01:17:09.872
you just have to think of something,

01:17:09.891 --> 01:17:11.112
you know, I mean,

01:17:11.152 --> 01:17:13.252
Kickstarter has suggestions to like,

01:17:14.639 --> 01:17:15.899
because there's one in

01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:17.641
particular that I've backed

01:17:17.822 --> 01:17:20.144
like months and months ago

01:17:20.944 --> 01:17:22.565
and they kind of just been radio silent.

01:17:22.586 --> 01:17:23.586
The book is backed.

01:17:23.605 --> 01:17:23.867
Yeah.

01:17:23.947 --> 01:17:26.708
Like they've reached their goal twice over,

01:17:27.529 --> 01:17:29.811
but I'm just like, um,

01:17:31.052 --> 01:17:32.234
are you going to release us

01:17:32.253 --> 01:17:33.515
an update and let us know

01:17:33.555 --> 01:17:34.536
what's going on?

01:17:35.256 --> 01:17:36.537
I will withdraw my funds

01:17:36.796 --> 01:17:38.779
very quickly if I don't

01:17:38.859 --> 01:17:39.779
hear something that soon.

01:17:40.447 --> 01:17:42.807
yeah well I mean like and if

01:17:42.828 --> 01:17:43.688
you're not even if you're

01:17:43.707 --> 01:17:44.648
not even sure what to say

01:17:44.667 --> 01:17:45.507
you know the kickstarter

01:17:45.568 --> 01:17:48.269
does have um articles that

01:17:48.349 --> 01:17:50.789
tell you uh you know can

01:17:50.810 --> 01:17:51.869
give you some ideas about

01:17:51.970 --> 01:17:52.989
what kind of updates you

01:17:53.010 --> 01:17:55.091
can even uh write and how

01:17:55.110 --> 01:17:56.131
to write them so there's

01:17:56.171 --> 01:17:58.971
that too um and you know I

01:17:58.992 --> 01:17:59.752
mean it's just like

01:18:00.791 --> 01:18:01.712
Sometimes it could just be a

01:18:01.731 --> 01:18:03.033
case of waiting for

01:18:03.412 --> 01:18:04.673
freelancers to be available.

01:18:05.274 --> 01:18:07.655
So sometimes the situation

01:18:07.735 --> 01:18:09.337
is I'm just still waiting.

01:18:09.577 --> 01:18:10.358
And it doesn't sound good,

01:18:10.398 --> 01:18:11.559
but it's just kind of the

01:18:11.599 --> 01:18:12.560
reality sometimes.

01:18:15.521 --> 01:18:18.083
But I mean, yeah,

01:18:18.104 --> 01:18:18.904
when you're not updating

01:18:18.923 --> 01:18:20.826
people about that kind of thing, I mean,

01:18:24.309 --> 01:18:24.469
I mean,

01:18:24.509 --> 01:18:25.510
I can't say that I've always

01:18:26.310 --> 01:18:28.193
remembered what date I said

01:18:28.212 --> 01:18:30.735
for what thing totally, but, you know,

01:18:30.756 --> 01:18:35.921
people, you know, I mean, it's, you know,

01:18:36.002 --> 01:18:37.583
dates are numbers and we

01:18:37.604 --> 01:18:39.185
don't need those.

01:18:39.326 --> 01:18:40.386
Yeah, exactly.

01:18:43.885 --> 01:18:44.645
But yeah, I mean,

01:18:44.826 --> 01:18:45.926
Kickstarter as well has

01:18:45.947 --> 01:18:47.988
like a ton of like how-to

01:18:48.048 --> 01:18:49.189
articles and advice.

01:18:49.371 --> 01:18:50.011
It really does.

01:18:50.030 --> 01:18:52.092
It's a very good website.

01:18:52.594 --> 01:18:53.975
I think very well put together.

01:18:54.818 --> 01:18:56.338
and they make it very user

01:18:56.418 --> 01:18:57.918
friendly for anybody not

01:18:57.958 --> 01:18:59.238
just you know yeah people

01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:01.420
who are you know on there

01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:03.421
to buy but also the people

01:19:03.661 --> 01:19:04.860
using it to sell their

01:19:04.900 --> 01:19:07.921
products so and they link

01:19:07.942 --> 01:19:10.222
to those they link to those

01:19:10.243 --> 01:19:11.903
how to's when you're making

01:19:11.943 --> 01:19:12.904
your campaign as well so

01:19:12.923 --> 01:19:13.604
that's the reason another

01:19:13.623 --> 01:19:14.663
reason that you should just

01:19:14.684 --> 01:19:16.904
go and make a a kickstarter campaign

01:19:17.284 --> 01:19:18.345
the kickstarter fit store

01:19:18.365 --> 01:19:19.966
you know like because as

01:19:19.987 --> 01:19:21.547
you're doing it they will

01:19:21.568 --> 01:19:22.887
just say here's information

01:19:22.988 --> 01:19:23.828
like they'll just link to

01:19:23.849 --> 01:19:24.628
it like an information

01:19:24.649 --> 01:19:25.670
about how to do this thing

01:19:25.689 --> 01:19:26.871
that you're trying to do

01:19:26.890 --> 01:19:27.871
right now or this thing

01:19:27.890 --> 01:19:28.430
that you're just like

01:19:28.851 --> 01:19:29.771
clippy or something from

01:19:29.851 --> 01:19:31.052
word back in the nineties

01:19:31.353 --> 01:19:33.373
um so I'll just give you

01:19:33.413 --> 01:19:34.895
links to relevant articles

01:19:34.914 --> 01:19:36.155
that will help you to do

01:19:36.416 --> 01:19:37.356
what you're currently doing

01:19:37.896 --> 01:19:38.516
uh and so you can just

01:19:38.537 --> 01:19:39.637
learn by doing and it's great

01:19:41.024 --> 01:19:43.265
So we're talking about Kickstarter.

01:19:43.784 --> 01:19:44.966
Now it's your turn.

01:19:45.445 --> 01:19:46.845
What rewards or stretch

01:19:46.865 --> 01:19:48.226
goals are you most excited

01:19:48.266 --> 01:19:49.806
about for issue four?

01:19:51.247 --> 01:19:51.528
Well,

01:19:52.028 --> 01:19:54.988
we're definitely doing essentially

01:19:55.168 --> 01:19:56.470
everything we did last time.

01:19:58.171 --> 01:19:59.490
I love these stickers, actually.

01:20:02.332 --> 01:20:02.891
These are cool.

01:20:03.372 --> 01:20:06.054
Stickers are one of my favorite things,

01:20:06.113 --> 01:20:06.713
or pins.

01:20:08.405 --> 01:20:12.108
Yeah, I was thinking about it.

01:20:13.488 --> 01:20:14.349
When it comes to rewards,

01:20:14.408 --> 01:20:15.810
I typically try and stick

01:20:15.850 --> 01:20:18.731
to flat stuff because flat

01:20:18.771 --> 01:20:20.813
stuff is easier to ship.

01:20:22.394 --> 01:20:24.875
And I've worked in jobs

01:20:24.914 --> 01:20:27.036
where the bulk of our time

01:20:27.055 --> 01:20:28.777
would be handling delivery

01:20:28.796 --> 01:20:30.118
problems from customers.

01:20:31.018 --> 01:20:32.899
So I know how many things

01:20:32.918 --> 01:20:34.260
can go wrong with delivery.

01:20:36.161 --> 01:20:37.942
Yeah, I mean, so I was like, well,

01:20:37.962 --> 01:20:38.823
we'll keep it as simple as

01:20:38.863 --> 01:20:40.222
we possibly can for delivery.

01:20:40.944 --> 01:20:41.904
It also means that, you know,

01:20:41.923 --> 01:20:43.125
if you're worried about, you know,

01:20:43.225 --> 01:20:46.186
me not fulfilling well, I mean,

01:20:46.306 --> 01:20:47.507
I've had so much experience

01:20:47.667 --> 01:20:48.427
dealing with delivery

01:20:48.448 --> 01:20:49.708
problems that I can kind of just,

01:20:50.149 --> 01:20:50.368
you know,

01:20:50.408 --> 01:20:51.569
I've got a whole flow chart for

01:20:51.590 --> 01:20:53.631
how to approach a problem

01:20:53.871 --> 01:20:55.231
if something arises in the campaign.

01:20:55.591 --> 01:20:55.971
Behind me,

01:20:56.011 --> 01:20:58.654
there is a poster that's also available.

01:20:58.673 --> 01:20:59.354
That's a really dope poster.

01:20:59.373 --> 01:20:59.814
I've seen that.

01:20:59.875 --> 01:21:00.154
Yeah.

01:21:00.699 --> 01:21:01.560
that's one of my favorite

01:21:01.581 --> 01:21:02.981
covers that's so it can

01:21:03.002 --> 01:21:05.823
sans cover for issue two uh

01:21:06.043 --> 01:21:10.448
on a poster uh and um you

01:21:10.488 --> 01:21:11.868
know we've got smartphone

01:21:11.889 --> 01:21:12.769
wallpapers I mean this is

01:21:12.788 --> 01:21:13.930
just all the extra stuff

01:21:13.949 --> 01:21:15.091
that you can get those are

01:21:15.211 --> 01:21:16.152
always really cool and

01:21:16.532 --> 01:21:18.533
they're there's nothing to

01:21:18.774 --> 01:21:19.895
them you don't have to send

01:21:19.914 --> 01:21:20.956
them it's just literally

01:21:20.996 --> 01:21:21.895
downloading and stick it on

01:21:21.916 --> 01:21:23.578
your phone yeah I mean the

01:21:23.597 --> 01:21:24.698
thing about it is I tend to

01:21:24.719 --> 01:21:27.400
find that people go for the comic

01:21:28.350 --> 01:21:29.832
um above anything else I'm a

01:21:29.851 --> 01:21:31.493
comic guy I like physical

01:21:32.033 --> 01:21:34.854
medium and I've said this

01:21:34.875 --> 01:21:36.216
probably a hundred times I

01:21:36.256 --> 01:21:37.356
love the smell of a comic

01:21:37.396 --> 01:21:40.519
book yeah I mean it's like

01:21:40.538 --> 01:21:41.739
the smell of an old book

01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:43.341
yeah yeah you know it's

01:21:43.381 --> 01:21:44.681
just one of those unique

01:21:44.761 --> 01:21:46.462
smells that's all to itself

01:21:46.542 --> 01:21:48.663
and it's like the fill of

01:21:48.703 --> 01:21:50.985
the page the smell like for

01:21:51.006 --> 01:21:52.627
me that's one of the best things ever

01:21:53.300 --> 01:21:56.042
yeah well I mean so I tend

01:21:56.082 --> 01:21:57.063
to find when we look at the

01:21:57.103 --> 01:21:58.564
stats after a campaign that

01:21:58.824 --> 01:22:01.646
people will usually go for

01:22:01.667 --> 01:22:02.847
the the comics themselves

01:22:03.528 --> 01:22:05.470
like much over any anything

01:22:05.529 --> 01:22:08.372
else that we offer so I

01:22:08.391 --> 01:22:10.354
mean I I would love to

01:22:10.434 --> 01:22:11.814
offer like so much

01:22:12.336 --> 01:22:13.596
different merch stuff but

01:22:13.617 --> 01:22:14.898
the thing is that like yeah

01:22:14.917 --> 01:22:15.859
realistically I know that

01:22:16.658 --> 01:22:17.500
somebody's just not gonna

01:22:17.539 --> 01:22:20.743
sell but like I mean I've had people

01:22:21.533 --> 01:22:22.853
who expressed some interest

01:22:22.912 --> 01:22:24.194
in certain other things

01:22:24.234 --> 01:22:25.793
that I haven't offered in the past.

01:22:26.914 --> 01:22:28.795
I don't want to be explicit

01:22:28.835 --> 01:22:30.576
about that just now because I'm still,

01:22:31.216 --> 01:22:33.095
you know, thinking about that.

01:22:33.235 --> 01:22:34.796
But like, you know,

01:22:34.817 --> 01:22:35.737
you kind of want to offer

01:22:35.777 --> 01:22:38.137
something new for your new campaigns.

01:22:39.217 --> 01:22:40.738
So I'm thinking about how to do that.

01:22:41.458 --> 01:22:41.719
But yeah,

01:22:41.738 --> 01:22:43.099
we got the stickers and the poster.

01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:47.239
I mean, if anybody wants, you know,

01:22:47.260 --> 01:22:49.341
I welcome people to comment and say like,

01:22:49.400 --> 01:22:49.661
you know,

01:22:50.292 --> 01:22:52.654
I'd love this kind of thing because,

01:22:52.734 --> 01:22:53.275
you know,

01:22:53.916 --> 01:22:55.658
it's good to know what people

01:22:55.698 --> 01:22:56.838
will actually buy.

01:22:57.920 --> 01:22:59.041
But, yeah, I mean, you've got, like,

01:22:59.100 --> 01:23:00.802
the thing about it is for the campaign,

01:23:00.882 --> 01:23:02.484
you can get covers in print

01:23:02.585 --> 01:23:03.985
or in digital that you can't get.

01:23:04.006 --> 01:23:05.648
I mean, that's the official cover.

01:23:05.927 --> 01:23:06.988
You can get covers that you

01:23:07.029 --> 01:23:08.510
won't get in the e-reader version.

01:23:08.529 --> 01:23:09.530
That cover is really cool.

01:23:09.610 --> 01:23:10.171
I like that one.

01:23:11.113 --> 01:23:11.733
Oh, yeah.

01:23:11.813 --> 01:23:13.574
I will always love a good

01:23:13.595 --> 01:23:14.496
black and gray scale.

01:23:14.938 --> 01:23:19.180
Yeah, well, that's Sans one for issue one.

01:23:19.621 --> 01:23:21.221
And then we've got this.

01:23:21.242 --> 01:23:23.582
I'll just skip the main covers.

01:23:23.603 --> 01:23:27.685
So this is the same drawing

01:23:27.704 --> 01:23:28.466
as on the poster.

01:23:28.485 --> 01:23:31.527
This is the Sans cover for issue two.

01:23:31.967 --> 01:23:32.807
And then we also have

01:23:33.609 --> 01:23:36.310
Vanessa Cardinale's cover for issue two.

01:23:36.329 --> 01:23:38.650
Oh, that's so cool.

01:23:38.671 --> 01:23:39.771
She's the same artist as the

01:23:39.811 --> 01:23:40.552
main cover of our first one.

01:23:40.573 --> 01:23:41.212
Was that a purple and black?

01:23:43.666 --> 01:23:44.186
Yeah, purple.

01:23:44.207 --> 01:23:45.929
It's like a purple and black monochrome.

01:23:46.248 --> 01:23:47.331
Oh, dude, that is...

01:23:49.175 --> 01:23:49.654
That's money.

01:23:49.694 --> 01:23:50.296
That's clean.

01:23:50.836 --> 01:23:52.516
And it's got the Clifton

01:23:52.556 --> 01:23:53.396
Suspension Bridge from

01:23:53.436 --> 01:23:54.938
Bristol in the background.

01:23:56.078 --> 01:23:58.159
Bristol is the city that Zip is based in,

01:23:58.260 --> 01:24:02.061
so am I. This is Sans cover

01:24:02.101 --> 01:24:03.622
for issue three.

01:24:03.662 --> 01:24:05.023
You can see Zip being

01:24:06.844 --> 01:24:08.225
assimilated into the hive here.

01:24:09.206 --> 01:24:11.127
And then this is Matt

01:24:11.146 --> 01:24:13.287
Schofield's cover for issue three.

01:24:14.347 --> 01:24:16.750
That's some awesome covers, man.

01:24:16.829 --> 01:24:17.109
Yeah.

01:24:20.903 --> 01:24:22.264
To me, those are big sellers.

01:24:22.783 --> 01:24:23.824
When you have a cover that

01:24:23.864 --> 01:24:25.546
just screams at you,

01:24:25.905 --> 01:24:27.305
you want that cover because

01:24:28.127 --> 01:24:29.568
it's different and it's unique.

01:24:30.608 --> 01:24:33.590
I say you don't see a lot of

01:24:33.630 --> 01:24:39.453
black and gray covers, but shit.

01:24:39.493 --> 01:24:40.172
What's the name of the book?

01:24:40.233 --> 01:24:40.833
It just come out.

01:24:41.865 --> 01:24:44.349
news from the fallout from

01:24:44.408 --> 01:24:46.411
chris condon it has a black

01:24:46.430 --> 01:24:47.931
and gray cover that is just

01:24:48.032 --> 01:24:50.935
really close very basic but

01:24:51.114 --> 01:24:53.176
it just says like you want

01:24:53.216 --> 01:24:54.278
it you know what I'm saying

01:24:54.297 --> 01:24:56.640
yeah you know it's a really

01:24:56.661 --> 01:24:58.162
good story too chris condon

01:24:58.202 --> 01:24:59.063
I think is one of those

01:24:59.663 --> 01:25:00.704
really good writers out

01:25:00.725 --> 01:25:01.886
there who who's finally

01:25:01.926 --> 01:25:03.386
getting his proper flowers

01:25:04.725 --> 01:25:05.546
Um,

01:25:05.606 --> 01:25:07.689
so what's your like kind of creative

01:25:07.729 --> 01:25:08.269
process,

01:25:08.328 --> 01:25:10.671
like when it comes to doing your books,

01:25:10.771 --> 01:25:12.853
like how far out do you get

01:25:12.912 --> 01:25:14.534
ahead or do you kind of

01:25:14.555 --> 01:25:17.698
just take it one issue at a time?

01:25:17.717 --> 01:25:17.877
Well,

01:25:17.917 --> 01:25:19.139
I think it's pretty clear from what

01:25:19.158 --> 01:25:21.761
I've said already that, uh, I think head,

01:25:22.242 --> 01:25:22.521
um,

01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:24.141
You know, I mean,

01:25:26.342 --> 01:25:28.404
I've already begun writing issue six,

01:25:28.465 --> 01:25:29.886
although issue five does

01:25:29.907 --> 01:25:31.768
need to be redrafted at some point.

01:25:33.689 --> 01:25:35.411
I mean, and I've got a rough story idea.

01:25:35.452 --> 01:25:36.471
I mean, essentially,

01:25:36.511 --> 01:25:37.753
I've got a rough story idea

01:25:37.793 --> 01:25:40.636
in my head for another, like, I mean,

01:25:40.655 --> 01:25:42.037
I don't even want to say how many issues,

01:25:42.077 --> 01:25:42.818
because, like, you know,

01:25:42.917 --> 01:25:44.859
if I say how many issues...

01:25:44.899 --> 01:25:45.720
We're not going to do that.

01:25:45.740 --> 01:25:46.421
We're not going to do that.

01:25:46.921 --> 01:25:47.481
Because I know, like,

01:25:47.742 --> 01:25:49.064
I had brought up Nick

01:25:49.144 --> 01:25:50.524
earlier with a vidalirium.

01:25:51.637 --> 01:25:52.998
who has a, you know,

01:25:53.019 --> 01:25:53.958
he's got his book deal,

01:25:53.979 --> 01:25:54.838
and he's turning the book

01:25:54.878 --> 01:25:55.960
into a comic book.

01:25:57.039 --> 01:25:58.100
And he already knows how he

01:25:58.140 --> 01:25:59.661
plans to end book seven.

01:26:00.502 --> 01:26:01.662
So I just didn't know, like,

01:26:02.422 --> 01:26:04.023
have you thought that far ahead?

01:26:04.342 --> 01:26:04.483
Like,

01:26:04.503 --> 01:26:06.083
he knows exactly how the book will

01:26:06.163 --> 01:26:08.244
end at book seven.

01:26:08.744 --> 01:26:11.405
I just, I was wondering, like, how, like,

01:26:11.485 --> 01:26:12.466
are you that far ahead?

01:26:12.487 --> 01:26:12.886
Like, you know,

01:26:12.907 --> 01:26:13.806
how you want to end this

01:26:13.846 --> 01:26:14.648
story eventually?

01:26:14.688 --> 01:26:17.009
Are you just, like, living in the moment,

01:26:17.548 --> 01:26:19.649
you know, one or two issues ahead?

01:26:21.309 --> 01:26:25.271
Well, I'm in two minds about it.

01:26:25.292 --> 01:26:25.853
Yeah, I have.

01:26:28.213 --> 01:26:29.895
The only definitive ending

01:26:29.935 --> 01:26:31.856
I've ever thought of for

01:26:31.896 --> 01:26:33.417
this story is the most

01:26:33.457 --> 01:26:34.457
depressing thing ever.

01:26:35.979 --> 01:26:37.860
So I'm in two minds about using it,

01:26:37.900 --> 01:26:40.783
because on the one hand,

01:26:40.903 --> 01:26:41.842
I'm just an edgy boy,

01:26:42.644 --> 01:26:43.845
and sometimes I just like a dark,

01:26:43.864 --> 01:26:44.585
depressing ending.

01:26:44.685 --> 01:26:46.046
But on the other hand, I'm like,

01:26:46.105 --> 01:26:47.067
I really like these characters,

01:26:47.087 --> 01:26:47.807
and I kind of don't want to

01:26:47.828 --> 01:26:48.347
do that to them.

01:26:50.708 --> 01:26:51.649
they're your characters it's

01:26:51.670 --> 01:26:52.770
your prerogative you know

01:26:53.091 --> 01:26:54.192
yeah I know but like I

01:26:54.231 --> 01:26:55.493
don't want to do I mean but

01:26:55.573 --> 01:26:56.453
I know how you feel

01:26:56.493 --> 01:26:59.175
sometimes a good like just

01:26:59.636 --> 01:27:01.577
depressive ending like that

01:27:01.777 --> 01:27:03.118
it's kind of like you can

01:27:03.497 --> 01:27:04.779
kind of feel it going there

01:27:04.819 --> 01:27:06.899
but you don't like the vibe

01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:08.161
of the book's like it's not

01:27:08.201 --> 01:27:09.261
going to go there the book

01:27:09.301 --> 01:27:10.103
has kind of been like a

01:27:10.143 --> 01:27:11.984
little bit more of this but

01:27:12.003 --> 01:27:12.644
then when you get that

01:27:12.804 --> 01:27:13.824
ending and it's just like

01:27:14.706 --> 01:27:15.947
well shit I didn't see that

01:27:15.987 --> 01:27:17.868
coming that's kind of like

01:27:18.970 --> 01:27:20.551
depressive almost and then

01:27:20.572 --> 01:27:22.113
you're like but damn it was

01:27:22.233 --> 01:27:23.634
good the way they did it

01:27:24.073 --> 01:27:25.774
you know yeah I mean I

01:27:25.795 --> 01:27:26.636
don't even know if this is

01:27:26.695 --> 01:27:28.277
necessarily a good idea I

01:27:28.296 --> 01:27:29.457
just maybe it's just

01:27:29.497 --> 01:27:30.878
something I thought of and

01:27:31.819 --> 01:27:32.720
it's the most depressing

01:27:32.739 --> 01:27:33.460
thing ever just because I

01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:34.261
was just like oh I'm just

01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:35.440
edgy and it's just yeah I

01:27:35.641 --> 01:27:38.783
mean but that doesn't you

01:27:38.804 --> 01:27:40.545
know it itself you know

01:27:42.025 --> 01:27:43.867
yeah maybe I mean I don't know I but like

01:27:45.048 --> 01:27:46.329
I I kind of envision this as

01:27:46.369 --> 01:27:47.471
an ongoing series that

01:27:47.511 --> 01:27:48.712
doesn't really have a set

01:27:48.832 --> 01:27:49.895
end but like that might be

01:27:49.914 --> 01:27:51.936
a little bit too uh wishful

01:27:51.957 --> 01:27:53.298
thinking really when you

01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:54.140
think about it from like a

01:27:54.220 --> 01:27:55.360
practical like business

01:27:56.101 --> 01:28:00.307
perspective but I mean like I have I mean

01:28:01.677 --> 01:28:04.618
I know what's coming up in the story.

01:28:04.639 --> 01:28:05.859
There is a grander story

01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:07.140
that we're building to.

01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:09.041
There's kind of a grand arc.

01:28:09.541 --> 01:28:10.442
Well, issue four,

01:28:10.521 --> 01:28:12.101
you kind of start to get

01:28:12.122 --> 01:28:13.082
that feel that you're

01:28:13.143 --> 01:28:16.663
building it to something big in that.

01:28:17.083 --> 01:28:19.284
Because Allison, or Zip,

01:28:19.345 --> 01:28:20.626
is getting her confidence.

01:28:20.645 --> 01:28:21.445
She's starting to find

01:28:21.466 --> 01:28:22.367
herself a little bit.

01:28:22.386 --> 01:28:23.106
And you can kind of tell

01:28:23.127 --> 01:28:24.967
that's building into something more.

01:28:25.247 --> 01:28:25.608
Yeah.

01:28:27.604 --> 01:28:27.824
I mean,

01:28:28.045 --> 01:28:29.465
I could see there being multiple

01:28:29.484 --> 01:28:30.265
story arcs for this,

01:28:30.286 --> 01:28:31.666
but there's kind of a point

01:28:31.706 --> 01:28:32.926
where I can see,

01:28:33.027 --> 01:28:34.327
for the foreseeable future,

01:28:34.386 --> 01:28:36.488
I can kind of tell you, oh yeah,

01:28:36.507 --> 01:28:37.509
this story would roughly

01:28:37.548 --> 01:28:39.689
work in X amount of issues.

01:28:40.430 --> 01:28:42.149
However, after that,

01:28:42.210 --> 01:28:44.310
there is more story that I can think of,

01:28:44.810 --> 01:28:46.231
but I couldn't tell you how

01:28:46.332 --> 01:28:49.512
many issues that would last for,

01:28:50.394 --> 01:28:50.854
and I wouldn't even

01:28:50.873 --> 01:28:52.054
necessarily be able to tell

01:28:52.073 --> 01:28:53.114
you the whole story structure.

01:28:53.654 --> 01:28:54.454
I could sit down and tell

01:28:54.475 --> 01:28:55.435
you the whole story structure, but

01:28:56.016 --> 01:28:56.958
what we're doing right now

01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.404
but after that arc I have

01:28:59.484 --> 01:29:00.926
ideas for future arcs but

01:29:01.427 --> 01:29:02.930
how long could they be I

01:29:02.951 --> 01:29:04.274
mean not I don't really know

01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:07.280
So how's your relationship

01:29:07.341 --> 01:29:10.323
with San when it comes to, like,

01:29:10.344 --> 01:29:11.264
you've wrote your story,

01:29:11.283 --> 01:29:13.606
you're passing it off to San for art.

01:29:13.627 --> 01:29:15.868
Like, how does that work for y'all?

01:29:16.309 --> 01:29:16.448
Like,

01:29:16.488 --> 01:29:18.091
are y'all always in contact with each

01:29:18.150 --> 01:29:18.470
other?

01:29:18.591 --> 01:29:19.431
Or is he like,

01:29:19.931 --> 01:29:22.534
does he do a page and send it to you?

01:29:22.574 --> 01:29:23.595
How's your relationship with

01:29:23.636 --> 01:29:24.636
San when it comes to

01:29:24.716 --> 01:29:25.938
creating the artwork of Zip?

01:29:26.350 --> 01:29:28.292
Yeah, Sam pencils in a page,

01:29:28.391 --> 01:29:31.054
and then he sends that over to us.

01:29:31.755 --> 01:29:34.336
And we comment and take a look.

01:29:34.435 --> 01:29:36.438
And it's almost never

01:29:36.597 --> 01:29:38.498
anything that really needs changing,

01:29:38.538 --> 01:29:39.560
especially not majorly.

01:29:39.579 --> 01:29:41.600
That's the sign of a good artist.

01:29:42.061 --> 01:29:42.242
Yeah.

01:29:43.262 --> 01:29:44.483
There was one funny little

01:29:44.524 --> 01:29:47.905
thing where in issue three,

01:29:48.126 --> 01:29:50.328
Kassan confused Pinstripe and Dog's Body.

01:29:50.387 --> 01:29:51.828
So there's an original draft

01:29:51.889 --> 01:29:55.171
where you actually see

01:29:56.412 --> 01:29:57.514
Dog's Body in the place of

01:29:57.554 --> 01:29:59.095
Pinstripe and vice versa,

01:29:59.735 --> 01:30:00.456
which is kind of funny.

01:30:00.496 --> 01:30:01.556
But we corrected that.

01:30:02.297 --> 01:30:03.158
But most of the time,

01:30:03.759 --> 01:30:06.421
not really a whole big deal for us.

01:30:06.860 --> 01:30:09.444
you know, sans stuff.

01:30:10.163 --> 01:30:12.947
And then he'll just go and send us,

01:30:13.627 --> 01:30:14.507
you know, a picture of the inks.

01:30:15.509 --> 01:30:16.390
When he's just work,

01:30:16.409 --> 01:30:17.451
because he works so fast.

01:30:17.530 --> 01:30:19.011
So he wouldn't have time to

01:30:19.051 --> 01:30:19.733
scan it all in.

01:30:19.872 --> 01:30:21.675
I think he goes to a print

01:30:21.694 --> 01:30:22.815
shop or something to scan,

01:30:22.876 --> 01:30:26.118
but he takes photos of just

01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:29.662
the pages he's drawn and sends to us.

01:30:31.886 --> 01:30:34.328
I think last week, no, two weeks ago,

01:30:34.349 --> 01:30:36.631
I had Francisco Nilo on who

01:30:36.671 --> 01:30:38.752
is the artist for Videlirium,

01:30:38.773 --> 01:30:39.734
which is one of those cool

01:30:39.753 --> 01:30:40.454
things where I got to

01:30:40.515 --> 01:30:42.136
interview the writer and

01:30:42.157 --> 01:30:43.198
the artist of it.

01:30:43.618 --> 01:30:45.279
And that's what he does as well is.

01:30:46.867 --> 01:30:47.886
He does a page and he'll

01:30:47.907 --> 01:30:48.967
take a picture of it and

01:30:49.148 --> 01:30:51.688
send it to Nick to give the thumbs up.

01:30:52.188 --> 01:30:53.448
And then they send it off to

01:30:53.469 --> 01:30:54.229
their colorist.

01:30:54.248 --> 01:30:55.769
Yeah.

01:30:55.828 --> 01:30:58.250
So it's really cool when I

01:30:58.310 --> 01:30:59.130
get to when I'm

01:30:59.229 --> 01:31:00.289
interviewing and talking to

01:31:00.329 --> 01:31:01.390
people about their work,

01:31:01.909 --> 01:31:02.871
the kind of relationships

01:31:02.890 --> 01:31:03.930
they have with their

01:31:04.030 --> 01:31:04.911
artists and how it just

01:31:04.930 --> 01:31:06.530
comes like this fluid

01:31:07.292 --> 01:31:08.891
relationship where the

01:31:08.992 --> 01:31:09.952
artist already knows kind

01:31:09.971 --> 01:31:10.752
of what you're looking for

01:31:10.771 --> 01:31:11.453
and what you want.

01:31:11.512 --> 01:31:13.033
And then you get to a certain point where

01:31:14.171 --> 01:31:15.092
You're almost like the hive

01:31:15.153 --> 01:31:16.274
mind and you're kind of

01:31:16.295 --> 01:31:17.416
just like on the same page.

01:31:17.896 --> 01:31:19.479
Yeah.

01:31:19.519 --> 01:31:20.279
So that's really cool that

01:31:20.300 --> 01:31:21.421
y'all were at that point

01:31:21.462 --> 01:31:23.385
now in this where he's just kind of like,

01:31:23.925 --> 01:31:24.707
I know what you're looking for.

01:31:24.766 --> 01:31:25.247
I got you.

01:31:26.128 --> 01:31:26.989
So that's really cool to hear.

01:31:28.606 --> 01:31:28.947
Yeah, I mean,

01:31:28.966 --> 01:31:29.648
it's kind of a little bit

01:31:29.768 --> 01:31:32.770
funny to be described as a

01:31:32.831 --> 01:31:35.354
hive mind because the hive.

01:31:35.793 --> 01:31:37.195
I had to circle back to it, man.

01:31:37.235 --> 01:31:37.996
I had to circle back.

01:31:38.036 --> 01:31:38.556
Yeah, yeah, totally.

01:31:38.577 --> 01:31:38.697
Well,

01:31:38.716 --> 01:31:42.541
I was going to say because we were

01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:43.442
talking about that earlier

01:31:43.462 --> 01:31:44.283
and you said you might want

01:31:44.302 --> 01:31:44.662
to talk about it.

01:31:44.682 --> 01:31:44.802
Yeah,

01:31:44.823 --> 01:31:45.823
we said we were going to circle back.

01:31:45.844 --> 01:31:46.505
Let's circle back to it

01:31:46.564 --> 01:31:47.626
right now before we get to

01:31:47.725 --> 01:31:48.726
one of my favorite parts of

01:31:48.766 --> 01:31:49.408
my interviews.

01:31:49.427 --> 01:31:50.208
Okay.

01:31:52.193 --> 01:31:54.597
Is the hive still alive?

01:31:55.019 --> 01:31:56.079
That's my biggest thing,

01:31:56.100 --> 01:31:58.064
because they kind of are going with, like,

01:31:58.144 --> 01:32:00.989
it's dead, but can it really die?

01:32:01.010 --> 01:32:02.231
You can't kill... I mean...

01:32:03.828 --> 01:32:05.088
No, the Hive is still alive.

01:32:05.788 --> 01:32:07.210
I mean, the Hive is software,

01:32:07.289 --> 01:32:09.050
so it replicates itself.

01:32:09.090 --> 01:32:10.310
It can replicate itself.

01:32:11.289 --> 01:32:14.051
So even if we were like, oh,

01:32:14.291 --> 01:32:16.390
we've just destroyed all of

01:32:16.411 --> 01:32:17.731
the servers that the Hive

01:32:17.752 --> 01:32:18.692
are on and they're gone forever.

01:32:18.731 --> 01:32:19.032
Well,

01:32:19.731 --> 01:32:21.572
as long as a single computer remains

01:32:21.591 --> 01:32:23.052
in the world that's

01:32:23.073 --> 01:32:24.932
powerful enough to contain the Hive,

01:32:25.092 --> 01:32:26.252
it's always possible that

01:32:26.273 --> 01:32:27.474
they replicated themselves.

01:32:27.493 --> 01:32:28.274
So we're going to see the

01:32:28.314 --> 01:32:29.673
Hive come back at some point.

01:32:30.314 --> 01:32:31.536
Yeah, I mean,

01:32:32.095 --> 01:32:33.938
like the corporation who owns

01:32:33.957 --> 01:32:34.878
the hive aren't just going

01:32:34.899 --> 01:32:35.840
to let the hive go because

01:32:36.260 --> 01:32:37.100
the corporation

01:32:38.654 --> 01:32:39.395
that created them,

01:32:40.216 --> 01:32:40.936
they might not have

01:32:40.976 --> 01:32:43.279
released the hive in its current state,

01:32:43.298 --> 01:32:43.819
but that's only because

01:32:43.838 --> 01:32:44.920
they didn't want the PR

01:32:44.939 --> 01:32:46.480
disaster it was going to create.

01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:47.501
They want the money.

01:32:48.181 --> 01:32:49.403
They really want that money.

01:32:49.443 --> 01:32:50.863
So they're going to be,

01:32:51.344 --> 01:32:52.324
they've got that squirreled

01:32:52.345 --> 01:32:53.085
away somewhere.

01:32:54.466 --> 01:32:55.407
And, you know, I mean,

01:32:55.426 --> 01:32:56.127
there's a bunch of

01:32:56.307 --> 01:32:57.707
engineers at that

01:32:57.728 --> 01:32:58.529
corporation who were

01:32:58.548 --> 01:32:59.850
telling them that this

01:32:59.909 --> 01:33:00.890
thing is too dangerous.

01:33:00.951 --> 01:33:02.452
You can't, you know, because...

01:33:03.336 --> 01:33:05.016
uh and that but then you

01:33:05.096 --> 01:33:06.137
know the big wigs are just

01:33:06.198 --> 01:33:08.059
like well yeah but we want

01:33:08.078 --> 01:33:11.560
the money though so uh as

01:33:11.621 --> 01:33:13.622
long as there is profit in

01:33:13.662 --> 01:33:15.404
it that that yeah you know

01:33:15.423 --> 01:33:16.043
the highway's gonna

01:33:16.064 --> 01:33:17.744
continue to exist I thought

01:33:17.765 --> 01:33:18.985
that was a really really

01:33:19.006 --> 01:33:20.846
dope one and from the story

01:33:20.867 --> 01:33:21.927
you kind of pick up like

01:33:21.988 --> 01:33:23.509
this thing can't just die

01:33:23.708 --> 01:33:24.609
it's gonna have to take

01:33:24.630 --> 01:33:26.511
something big to kind of like really

01:33:27.971 --> 01:33:30.172
end it so I think it's cool

01:33:30.193 --> 01:33:31.113
that you're kind of going

01:33:31.132 --> 01:33:32.014
to circle back to that and

01:33:32.033 --> 01:33:33.033
you have that ability to

01:33:33.094 --> 01:33:34.375
circle back to it whenever

01:33:34.414 --> 01:33:37.735
you feel like yeah so

01:33:37.796 --> 01:33:39.117
before we start our doing

01:33:39.136 --> 01:33:40.277
our close up and wrap up

01:33:40.337 --> 01:33:41.597
here let's do a quick

01:33:41.698 --> 01:33:42.717
lightning round of

01:33:42.797 --> 01:33:46.899
questions so favorite

01:33:46.939 --> 01:33:48.301
british comic of all time

01:33:49.121 --> 01:33:50.502
uh sonic the comic no

01:33:50.561 --> 01:33:53.443
question um that was going

01:33:53.462 --> 01:33:54.182
to be the answer because

01:33:54.203 --> 01:33:56.003
you did mention it in issue one

01:33:57.527 --> 01:33:58.969
Oh, yeah.

01:33:59.328 --> 01:33:59.829
In issue one,

01:33:59.850 --> 01:34:01.771
there's a making of zip

01:34:01.811 --> 01:34:02.773
little article at the end

01:34:02.792 --> 01:34:05.756
for anybody who doesn't know that.

01:34:05.777 --> 01:34:06.618
So that's something else you

01:34:06.637 --> 01:34:08.279
can get when you back the thing.

01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:10.221
But yeah, so there were

01:34:10.967 --> 01:34:11.608
In the UK,

01:34:11.627 --> 01:34:12.729
there was an entirely different

01:34:13.149 --> 01:34:14.710
comic about Sonic the Hedgehog.

01:34:15.551 --> 01:34:16.471
But the creators just kind

01:34:16.511 --> 01:34:17.612
of went wild with it

01:34:17.631 --> 01:34:18.853
because there wasn't so

01:34:18.893 --> 01:34:20.073
much oversight back then.

01:34:20.154 --> 01:34:22.635
So it was still a comic that

01:34:22.654 --> 01:34:24.376
took inspiration from the games and had,

01:34:24.577 --> 01:34:25.417
you know.

01:34:25.436 --> 01:34:26.717
So that was going to be my question is,

01:34:26.917 --> 01:34:28.498
is it like Sonic the Hedgehog?

01:34:28.519 --> 01:34:30.159
Because it just says Sonic the comic.

01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:31.121
And I'm like, well,

01:34:31.140 --> 01:34:32.201
I wonder if that's the same

01:34:32.240 --> 01:34:33.381
thing or if it's something different.

01:34:33.402 --> 01:34:35.743
Okay, that's really cool.

01:34:35.764 --> 01:34:36.304
That's really cool.

01:34:36.792 --> 01:34:37.653
it's very different to the

01:34:37.672 --> 01:34:39.934
american comics um although

01:34:40.274 --> 01:34:41.295
there are characters from

01:34:41.314 --> 01:34:42.496
the american comics where

01:34:43.256 --> 01:34:43.936
you kind of look at them

01:34:43.957 --> 01:34:45.698
you go oh wonder where you

01:34:45.717 --> 01:34:47.560
got the idea from that that

01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:50.862
from you know it's funny is

01:34:50.942 --> 01:34:52.203
mad cave just released

01:34:52.283 --> 01:34:54.385
vanishing point issue to a

01:34:54.465 --> 01:34:55.765
vanishing point is a

01:34:55.826 --> 01:34:58.627
knockoff of the jetsons okay

01:34:59.695 --> 01:35:00.317
So it's really cool.

01:35:00.337 --> 01:35:01.117
Like there's like this,

01:35:01.518 --> 01:35:03.659
this evil Jetsons family on

01:35:03.699 --> 01:35:06.221
the cover of issue two cover.

01:35:06.722 --> 01:35:07.403
But I thought that was

01:35:07.863 --> 01:35:08.863
really cool that there's a

01:35:08.925 --> 01:35:11.226
story in because it's an anthology book.

01:35:12.167 --> 01:35:13.068
But in that way,

01:35:13.268 --> 01:35:15.130
the main story is about a

01:35:15.170 --> 01:35:17.292
disheveled like Jetsons.

01:35:17.391 --> 01:35:18.793
Yeah.

01:35:18.814 --> 01:35:21.095
Maybe not so polished, you might say.

01:35:23.018 --> 01:35:23.798
It's the first time that

01:35:23.838 --> 01:35:24.859
anybody's ever referred to

01:35:24.878 --> 01:35:27.720
Hanna-Barbera as published, I think.

01:35:28.140 --> 01:35:29.161
Although I do love him anyway.

01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:31.702
As much as it can be.

01:35:32.542 --> 01:35:32.782
Yeah.

01:35:32.862 --> 01:35:33.283
All right.

01:35:33.542 --> 01:35:35.724
Most underrated disabled

01:35:35.783 --> 01:35:37.384
character in fiction,

01:35:37.423 --> 01:35:38.845
and it doesn't have to be comic book.

01:35:40.055 --> 01:35:45.536
Oh, well, that's a good question.

01:35:45.636 --> 01:35:46.436
I feel like, I mean,

01:35:46.817 --> 01:35:47.596
just the first thing that

01:35:47.636 --> 01:35:50.476
comes to my mind was,

01:35:51.438 --> 01:35:53.698
so people may not even

01:35:53.738 --> 01:35:55.599
really remember that this was a thing,

01:35:58.038 --> 01:36:03.180
but there was almost like a Star Trek,

01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:05.400
the next generation style thing

01:36:06.467 --> 01:36:09.208
But, you know, with Ghostbusters.

01:36:09.248 --> 01:36:10.929
So in the nineties there,

01:36:10.948 --> 01:36:12.248
there was a show called the

01:36:12.288 --> 01:36:13.708
Extreme Ghostbusters.

01:36:14.649 --> 01:36:15.609
And it was kind of like the

01:36:15.689 --> 01:36:17.350
new generation of Ghostbusters.

01:36:18.550 --> 01:36:19.930
And in that they had like

01:36:19.951 --> 01:36:20.930
this kind of daredevil

01:36:20.951 --> 01:36:21.810
character who was always

01:36:21.850 --> 01:36:23.591
the first to rush into a

01:36:23.631 --> 01:36:24.650
situation because he just

01:36:24.711 --> 01:36:26.731
liked to kind of prove how

01:36:26.752 --> 01:36:27.652
brave he was and stuff.

01:36:28.152 --> 01:36:29.271
And he was in a wheelchair.

01:36:29.332 --> 01:36:31.893
And I went back and watched an episode of

01:36:34.011 --> 01:36:35.891
that show in my adulthood

01:36:35.912 --> 01:36:36.912
and I kind of forgot he was

01:36:36.993 --> 01:36:38.134
even in a wheelchair

01:36:38.154 --> 01:36:39.134
because they didn't make

01:36:39.173 --> 01:36:40.675
his character about that.

01:36:40.694 --> 01:36:42.355
So I know, you know, for a long time,

01:36:42.456 --> 01:36:43.176
I mean, for a lot of,

01:36:43.516 --> 01:36:44.837
they still do in a lot of

01:36:44.858 --> 01:36:46.338
ways kind of just make

01:36:46.798 --> 01:36:49.340
disabled characters all about, you know,

01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:50.440
their disability and kind

01:36:50.480 --> 01:36:52.601
of make that their entire personality.

01:36:53.523 --> 01:36:54.823
And, you know,

01:36:55.404 --> 01:36:56.425
like shows have kind of like

01:36:56.484 --> 01:36:57.664
a very irritating way of

01:36:57.685 --> 01:36:59.105
just kind of taking pity on

01:36:59.126 --> 01:36:59.987
disabled characters.

01:37:00.864 --> 01:37:02.445
But the extreme Ghostbusters

01:37:02.466 --> 01:37:04.426
just let this guy be part of the action,

01:37:04.447 --> 01:37:05.346
and he just happened to be

01:37:05.367 --> 01:37:05.948
in a wheelchair.

01:37:06.908 --> 01:37:08.048
I remember that.

01:37:08.069 --> 01:37:09.469
That was a really fun cartoon.

01:37:09.509 --> 01:37:10.590
It's very underrated.

01:37:11.010 --> 01:37:11.409
Yeah.

01:37:11.430 --> 01:37:12.371
I don't think it got the

01:37:12.411 --> 01:37:13.230
proper love that the

01:37:13.291 --> 01:37:15.091
original Ghostbusters cartoon did.

01:37:15.311 --> 01:37:15.492
I mean,

01:37:15.532 --> 01:37:20.395
it'd be hard to live up to the

01:37:20.454 --> 01:37:23.695
iconic original Ghostbusters, but yeah.

01:37:25.157 --> 01:37:26.297
No, I really liked that show.

01:37:30.775 --> 01:37:32.516
For me, I would have to go.

01:37:32.537 --> 01:37:36.557
I can't remember the name of the show,

01:37:36.597 --> 01:37:40.219
but it's about an FBI agent.

01:37:40.578 --> 01:37:41.800
They're all FBI agents or

01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:42.479
something like that.

01:37:42.539 --> 01:37:44.520
But one of the main guys, he's a doctor,

01:37:44.921 --> 01:37:45.881
but he's autistic.

01:37:48.681 --> 01:37:50.323
He gives the autistic vibe.

01:37:51.243 --> 01:37:53.163
But he's got multiple doctorates,

01:37:53.184 --> 01:37:55.524
and he's very- So is he

01:37:56.125 --> 01:37:57.284
explicitly autistic,

01:37:57.324 --> 01:37:59.046
or is he just kind of autistic coded?

01:38:00.882 --> 01:38:03.524
It's never actually said, I think.

01:38:03.585 --> 01:38:05.006
Okay.

01:38:05.046 --> 01:38:06.967
But you kind of just know.

01:38:07.488 --> 01:38:07.887
It's not spoken of.

01:38:07.908 --> 01:38:08.948
But you know.

01:38:10.989 --> 01:38:11.730
And I can't remember his

01:38:11.770 --> 01:38:14.472
name or the exact name of the show,

01:38:14.512 --> 01:38:15.212
but I always thought that

01:38:15.233 --> 01:38:16.194
was really cool that he's

01:38:16.253 --> 01:38:18.475
part of this elite team

01:38:18.496 --> 01:38:22.297
that solves crime and weird

01:38:22.358 --> 01:38:24.880
murder cases and stuff like that.

01:38:25.820 --> 01:38:27.322
But it's really cool that

01:38:28.447 --> 01:38:29.948
yes it's never mentioned but

01:38:29.967 --> 01:38:34.149
you know and the good

01:38:34.170 --> 01:38:35.229
doctor as well was like

01:38:35.270 --> 01:38:36.051
that as well I thought that

01:38:36.070 --> 01:38:37.511
was a really good one I

01:38:37.530 --> 01:38:38.192
think that's the name of

01:38:38.212 --> 01:38:41.813
the show about the doctor

01:38:41.934 --> 01:38:43.253
yeah I'm unfortunately I

01:38:43.333 --> 01:38:44.654
haven't seen these tv shows

01:38:44.675 --> 01:38:47.655
uh I know y'all get very

01:38:47.836 --> 01:38:49.256
like y'all's programming

01:38:49.277 --> 01:38:50.257
y'all's doctor who I think

01:38:50.297 --> 01:38:51.658
is better than ours y'all's

01:38:51.738 --> 01:38:53.078
office is better than ours

01:38:54.059 --> 01:38:55.819
That's a bit controversial at the office,

01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:56.300
isn't it?

01:38:57.060 --> 01:38:58.060
It very much is,

01:38:58.100 --> 01:38:59.402
but I still prefer the UK

01:38:59.421 --> 01:39:00.301
version of the office.

01:39:00.563 --> 01:39:00.922
Yeah.

01:39:01.382 --> 01:39:04.163
And then y'all had a TV series.

01:39:04.465 --> 01:39:05.744
I think it was similar to

01:39:05.784 --> 01:39:06.805
like the Inhumans or

01:39:06.826 --> 01:39:07.746
something like that about a

01:39:07.905 --> 01:39:09.046
group of teens that ended

01:39:09.087 --> 01:39:10.087
up with superpowers.

01:39:10.768 --> 01:39:12.628
You may be thinking of Misfits.

01:39:12.988 --> 01:39:14.189
Misfits, yes.

01:39:14.529 --> 01:39:14.890
Yeah.

01:39:15.451 --> 01:39:17.551
Top tier television, in my opinion.

01:39:17.712 --> 01:39:18.952
I thoroughly enjoyed that

01:39:18.992 --> 01:39:20.353
show and felt it never got

01:39:20.372 --> 01:39:21.634
the proper love it deserved.

01:39:22.796 --> 01:39:24.417
yeah I mean it was a shame

01:39:24.457 --> 01:39:25.917
when um I forgot the

01:39:25.957 --> 01:39:27.037
character's name but he was

01:39:27.097 --> 01:39:28.177
like the almost the

01:39:28.217 --> 01:39:29.359
wolverine character where

01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:31.739
he was immortal like he was

01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:33.020
you know regenerative

01:39:33.060 --> 01:39:34.421
powers the guy with the

01:39:34.440 --> 01:39:37.402
curly hair who was uh yeah

01:39:37.421 --> 01:39:38.622
that guy left he was kind

01:39:38.662 --> 01:39:39.903
of like this the breakout

01:39:39.922 --> 01:39:40.983
character of that show but

01:39:41.002 --> 01:39:43.423
then he left and after that

01:39:43.484 --> 01:39:44.125
it was a little bit

01:39:44.145 --> 01:39:45.225
difficult for them to

01:39:45.885 --> 01:39:47.145
recapture the magic of that

01:39:47.185 --> 01:39:48.126
I think he took a different

01:39:48.145 --> 01:39:49.487
show though or he had to

01:39:49.506 --> 01:39:50.346
cast in a movie as the

01:39:50.386 --> 01:39:51.507
reason why he actually had

01:39:51.568 --> 01:39:52.427
left that thing right

01:39:52.949 --> 01:39:54.650
yeah something like that I

01:39:54.671 --> 01:39:55.171
mean it's obviously they

01:39:55.190 --> 01:39:56.252
can't help it but yes it's

01:39:56.271 --> 01:39:57.552
just yeah I just felt it

01:39:57.573 --> 01:39:58.672
was one of those severely

01:39:58.752 --> 01:39:59.793
slept on shows that

01:39:59.854 --> 01:40:00.974
deserved more attention

01:40:01.014 --> 01:40:02.895
than what it got so what's

01:40:02.954 --> 01:40:04.435
up kelvin welcome to the

01:40:04.456 --> 01:40:06.497
show mike here is from the

01:40:06.657 --> 01:40:08.757
uk I that's why we had an

01:40:08.818 --> 01:40:09.878
early start today I don't

01:40:09.899 --> 01:40:10.979
like to keep these guys up

01:40:11.020 --> 01:40:13.060
too long so from the uk

01:40:15.475 --> 01:40:17.076
Yeah, specifically I'm from Bristol,

01:40:17.657 --> 01:40:18.777
where every day is talked

01:40:18.817 --> 01:40:19.658
like a pirate day.

01:40:21.238 --> 01:40:27.963
So the Bristol accent sounds a bit like,

01:40:28.444 --> 01:40:31.105
ear, cheers, drave, that kind of thing.

01:40:31.546 --> 01:40:32.046
Basically,

01:40:33.006 --> 01:40:35.588
the reason that pirate accents

01:40:35.929 --> 01:40:37.229
are even pirate accents is

01:40:37.289 --> 01:40:38.470
because pirates were from everywhere,

01:40:38.490 --> 01:40:39.551
because they were sailors, obviously.

01:40:39.591 --> 01:40:42.313
But Disney made a Treasure Island movie

01:40:43.213 --> 01:40:44.173
decades and decades and

01:40:44.194 --> 01:40:45.274
decades ago and the actor

01:40:45.295 --> 01:40:47.555
who played Long John Silver

01:40:48.336 --> 01:40:50.497
took on a Bristolian accent

01:40:50.596 --> 01:40:51.697
for the role which would

01:40:51.817 --> 01:40:52.578
make sense because that

01:40:52.597 --> 01:40:53.677
would have been where Long

01:40:53.698 --> 01:40:54.698
John would have been from

01:40:55.018 --> 01:40:56.019
in the book because the guy

01:40:56.038 --> 01:40:57.139
who wrote Treasure Island

01:40:57.198 --> 01:40:58.800
did so from a pub that

01:40:58.840 --> 01:40:59.840
stands to this day in

01:40:59.880 --> 01:41:01.140
Bristol called the Long Dogger Trowel

01:41:04.164 --> 01:41:05.426
He based that on the

01:41:05.445 --> 01:41:06.407
Bristolian accent and

01:41:06.707 --> 01:41:07.688
everybody just copied that

01:41:07.787 --> 01:41:09.389
and that ended up becoming

01:41:09.509 --> 01:41:10.350
the pirate accent.

01:41:10.369 --> 01:41:12.270
So, you know, people say, oh,

01:41:12.291 --> 01:41:13.532
Bristolians sound like pirates.

01:41:13.612 --> 01:41:13.993
No, man.

01:41:14.292 --> 01:41:15.654
Pirates sound like Bristolians.

01:41:15.814 --> 01:41:18.275
Yeah, I mean, like,

01:41:18.515 --> 01:41:19.457
so that's another thing you

01:41:19.476 --> 01:41:21.359
might know Bristol from is

01:41:21.458 --> 01:41:22.139
Treasure Island.

01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:24.440
I love that show.

01:41:25.301 --> 01:41:26.122
That was underrated.

01:41:27.063 --> 01:41:27.684
Treasure Island?

01:41:28.083 --> 01:41:29.444
Yeah.

01:41:29.625 --> 01:41:30.525
I really enjoy it.

01:41:31.055 --> 01:41:31.916
Well, yeah, I mean,

01:41:32.055 --> 01:41:33.618
that's also a Robert Louis

01:41:33.658 --> 01:41:34.960
Stevenson book from like

01:41:35.100 --> 01:41:36.641
the eighteenth century or something.

01:41:36.782 --> 01:41:37.643
I'm pretty sure we have it

01:41:37.662 --> 01:41:40.025
on a shelf somewhere in my

01:41:40.065 --> 01:41:40.886
daughter's library.

01:41:42.149 --> 01:41:42.368
Well,

01:41:43.770 --> 01:41:47.694
and the real life pirate Edward Teach,

01:41:47.715 --> 01:41:48.737
better name was Blackbeard,

01:41:48.756 --> 01:41:49.296
was from here.

01:41:52.310 --> 01:41:52.510
I mean,

01:41:52.591 --> 01:41:54.573
things you might know Bristol also

01:41:54.592 --> 01:41:56.614
from are from, like, Chicken Run,

01:41:57.555 --> 01:41:58.136
Orson Gromit.

01:41:59.578 --> 01:42:01.560
New movie coming out soon.

01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:03.742
Yeah, well,

01:42:03.761 --> 01:42:04.823
it's kind of out of the loop

01:42:04.863 --> 01:42:05.663
since my dad stopped

01:42:05.684 --> 01:42:06.645
working for Hardman's.

01:42:11.630 --> 01:42:14.912
And, I mean, Banksy, Massive Attack,

01:42:14.953 --> 01:42:15.554
all kinds of stuff.

01:42:17.461 --> 01:42:17.680
Okay.

01:42:18.202 --> 01:42:18.402
All right.

01:42:18.783 --> 01:42:20.945
Next one from our lightning round here.

01:42:21.225 --> 01:42:23.309
If any publisher could pick up Zilp,

01:42:23.368 --> 01:42:25.932
who would you want it to be?

01:42:25.972 --> 01:42:26.453
Mark Herzia.

01:42:26.474 --> 01:42:28.877
Good answer.

01:42:29.257 --> 01:42:29.939
What am I going to do?

01:42:29.979 --> 01:42:32.421
Good answer.

01:42:32.442 --> 01:42:34.164
Imagine if I said anything besides that.

01:42:34.912 --> 01:42:36.432
Like when I did the questions,

01:42:36.533 --> 01:42:36.972
I didn't even,

01:42:37.193 --> 01:42:39.113
I completely forgot Marcosio was there.

01:42:39.134 --> 01:42:40.213
So that's my bad, Marcosio.

01:42:40.234 --> 01:42:40.854
That's on me.

01:42:41.175 --> 01:42:42.836
That's not on him.

01:42:42.975 --> 01:42:44.836
I swear, that's on me.

01:42:44.895 --> 01:42:45.936
Imagine if I said, look,

01:42:46.037 --> 01:42:47.578
I'd get such an angry email.

01:42:47.618 --> 01:42:51.399
Well, I don't know if anybody saw it.

01:42:51.439 --> 01:42:52.279
What did you say this for?

01:42:52.300 --> 01:42:55.341
So are you a music guy?

01:42:55.360 --> 01:42:56.942
Do you listen to music while you write?

01:42:57.381 --> 01:43:01.184
And if you do, what's on your playlist?

01:43:01.203 --> 01:43:03.283
Well, that depends on what I'm writing.

01:43:04.024 --> 01:43:04.045
I...

01:43:05.069 --> 01:43:07.311
tend to you nailed it

01:43:09.472 --> 01:43:11.954
replace the banksy yep

01:43:11.994 --> 01:43:12.635
replace the banksy uh yeah

01:43:12.654 --> 01:43:13.716
yeah that yeah and a lot of

01:43:13.975 --> 01:43:15.157
banksy artwork is here as

01:43:15.176 --> 01:43:16.037
well because as he does a

01:43:16.077 --> 01:43:17.377
lot of his graffiti art

01:43:17.398 --> 01:43:20.801
here so um music yeah so I

01:43:20.841 --> 01:43:21.560
that depends on what I'm

01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:22.521
writing because I kind of

01:43:22.542 --> 01:43:25.604
tend to make playlists of um

01:43:27.421 --> 01:43:29.042
like the soundtrack of

01:43:29.082 --> 01:43:30.863
whatever it is I'm writing,

01:43:30.884 --> 01:43:31.944
because I'm a screenwriter as well,

01:43:31.984 --> 01:43:33.766
so I do like to think about, you know,

01:43:33.827 --> 01:43:36.009
what would this... I even

01:43:36.029 --> 01:43:37.189
like to imagine what the

01:43:37.229 --> 01:43:38.671
original score of it would be like.

01:43:39.212 --> 01:43:40.693
I mean, Zip has an original score,

01:43:40.733 --> 01:43:42.875
because I hired a composer

01:43:42.914 --> 01:43:43.956
to make one for our first

01:43:43.975 --> 01:43:44.417
Kickstarter video.

01:43:44.436 --> 01:43:44.896
Oh, that's pretty cool.

01:43:44.917 --> 01:43:45.578
That's really cool.

01:43:45.597 --> 01:43:45.797
Yeah.

01:43:46.850 --> 01:43:47.792
But I like to think about

01:43:47.832 --> 01:43:49.033
what popular music would be

01:43:49.453 --> 01:43:51.274
in a Zip movie or whatever as well,

01:43:51.395 --> 01:43:52.777
and I listen to that while I'm writing.

01:43:52.796 --> 01:43:53.697
So, for example,

01:43:54.438 --> 01:43:56.840
the theme for Pinstripe and

01:43:56.939 --> 01:43:59.643
Dog's Body is the Deltron

01:43:59.743 --> 01:44:01.644
instrumental version of Virus.

01:44:03.765 --> 01:44:06.349
I like to think about maybe Zip...

01:44:07.469 --> 01:44:09.189
being associated with like

01:44:09.310 --> 01:44:14.110
Superman by Goldfinger or, you know,

01:44:14.131 --> 01:44:15.912
there's a lot of music that

01:44:15.931 --> 01:44:16.792
I listened to and it's all

01:44:16.853 --> 01:44:17.792
kind of appropriate.

01:44:17.813 --> 01:44:19.033
And I'll even have like, okay,

01:44:19.052 --> 01:44:20.194
well this is just the music

01:44:20.213 --> 01:44:23.135
that plays in this moment of the story.

01:44:23.255 --> 01:44:24.574
And this is the music that

01:44:24.595 --> 01:44:25.475
is associated with this

01:44:25.515 --> 01:44:26.855
place or this character.

01:44:28.837 --> 01:44:32.097
So it's all kind of fits in

01:44:32.137 --> 01:44:33.059
with the tone of it.

01:44:33.099 --> 01:44:36.159
But like for, like, I mean,

01:44:37.332 --> 01:44:39.052
Because the setting is in Bristol,

01:44:39.073 --> 01:44:40.052
and Bristol's kind of like

01:44:40.172 --> 01:44:42.594
an industrial place, I like to think,

01:44:42.793 --> 01:44:44.595
I like to listen to kind of like sort of,

01:44:45.755 --> 01:44:45.935
you know,

01:44:45.954 --> 01:44:47.255
when I was talking about like

01:44:47.296 --> 01:44:48.756
how should we make the sci-fi look,

01:44:48.876 --> 01:44:49.136
you know,

01:44:49.155 --> 01:44:50.197
I was like maybe we should go

01:44:50.216 --> 01:44:50.697
for a little bit of

01:44:50.716 --> 01:44:51.936
steampunk sci-fi because

01:44:51.957 --> 01:44:54.158
it's kind of like all, got a lot of like,

01:44:54.478 --> 01:44:56.338
you know, Georgian architecture and stuff,

01:44:56.359 --> 01:44:56.899
which Georgian is

01:44:56.918 --> 01:44:59.359
technically earlier than Victorian times,

01:44:59.399 --> 01:44:59.819
but you know.

01:45:01.123 --> 01:45:01.564
close enough.

01:45:02.885 --> 01:45:04.204
So, you know,

01:45:04.265 --> 01:45:05.265
I'd like to think of I'd like

01:45:05.286 --> 01:45:06.445
to listen to a lot of like,

01:45:06.466 --> 01:45:08.226
kind of electronic music

01:45:08.247 --> 01:45:09.608
for the sci fi stuff.

01:45:11.628 --> 01:45:13.869
And, you know, maybe just like energetic,

01:45:14.609 --> 01:45:17.992
fast paced music for like zip herself.

01:45:19.792 --> 01:45:20.113
You know,

01:45:20.512 --> 01:45:23.314
it all fits into whatever the story is,

01:45:23.333 --> 01:45:24.335
you know, okay.

01:45:26.247 --> 01:45:28.048
That's a perfectly acceptable answer.

01:45:28.649 --> 01:45:30.390
Last one up from our lightning round.

01:45:30.489 --> 01:45:33.152
If Zip became a TV series,

01:45:33.692 --> 01:45:35.813
who plays Allison, a.k.a.

01:45:35.972 --> 01:45:36.372
Zip?

01:45:39.534 --> 01:45:40.494
That's tricky.

01:45:40.636 --> 01:45:42.716
It would have to be a British person,

01:45:43.756 --> 01:45:45.078
and they'd have to be in

01:45:45.118 --> 01:45:46.458
their early twenties.

01:45:47.838 --> 01:45:52.161
So I'd have to pick someone who was that.

01:45:54.556 --> 01:45:56.417
mean I don't it's the hard

01:45:56.457 --> 01:45:58.217
question you know I'm just

01:45:58.238 --> 01:46:00.877
sort of kind of like kind

01:46:00.898 --> 01:46:02.719
of tapped out of broadcast

01:46:02.738 --> 01:46:04.918
tv a little bit okay

01:46:04.939 --> 01:46:08.859
because yeah um I don't

01:46:08.979 --> 01:46:09.899
know I mean I almost kind

01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:10.640
of think that you might

01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:13.060
want to do an unknown

01:46:13.100 --> 01:46:16.400
person in a way just to I

01:46:16.421 --> 01:46:17.981
mean it may be cool to to

01:46:18.042 --> 01:46:19.902
give somebody their first um

01:46:22.359 --> 01:46:23.738
know I mean I can appreciate

01:46:23.759 --> 01:46:26.440
that that that's I love

01:46:26.461 --> 01:46:29.061
when unknown breaks out and

01:46:29.341 --> 01:46:30.382
all of a sudden you're like

01:46:30.762 --> 01:46:32.003
damn where'd they find this

01:46:32.064 --> 01:46:33.625
person I could see that

01:46:34.420 --> 01:46:36.560
If we were going with animation,

01:46:36.841 --> 01:46:39.143
we've already had somebody

01:46:40.363 --> 01:46:41.923
act as if actually, because again,

01:46:42.524 --> 01:46:43.725
I hired a voice actor for

01:46:43.765 --> 01:46:44.484
some of the promotional

01:46:44.505 --> 01:46:45.886
videos for our Kickstarters.

01:46:45.905 --> 01:46:46.886
Okay, cool.

01:46:46.907 --> 01:46:48.667
By the name of Brittany Glash.

01:46:49.188 --> 01:46:50.649
So she has been the official

01:46:50.668 --> 01:46:52.550
voice of Zip a few times.

01:46:52.569 --> 01:46:53.789
That's really cool.

01:46:53.930 --> 01:46:55.971
That's really cool.

01:46:55.992 --> 01:46:56.992
Shout out to her.

01:46:57.511 --> 01:46:58.252
Yeah, totally.

01:46:59.931 --> 01:47:01.872
Okay, let's start wrapping this up.

01:47:01.912 --> 01:47:04.114
So where can people

01:47:04.135 --> 01:47:05.154
listening or watching from

01:47:05.215 --> 01:47:08.056
home find you in your work online?

01:47:09.390 --> 01:47:11.030
uh so all of our socials are

01:47:11.190 --> 01:47:14.033
zip comic uh uk um so

01:47:14.052 --> 01:47:15.394
you'll find us on facebook

01:47:15.514 --> 01:47:17.954
instagram twitter blue sky

01:47:18.015 --> 01:47:21.896
fred's and tick tock um and

01:47:22.117 --> 01:47:22.698
our website is

01:47:22.757 --> 01:47:26.020
zipcomic.co.uk um so you

01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:26.819
know you can sign yourself

01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:28.081
up for our newsletter there

01:47:29.041 --> 01:47:30.542
um and also of course

01:47:30.561 --> 01:47:31.983
kickstarter so if you want

01:47:32.002 --> 01:47:32.682
to find our current

01:47:32.703 --> 01:47:33.423
kickstarter you just

01:47:33.444 --> 01:47:35.085
basically want to just type zip for

01:47:36.386 --> 01:47:37.207
and you will find the

01:47:37.387 --> 01:47:40.654
Kickstarter pretty easily from there.

01:47:41.154 --> 01:47:42.197
So please give us a follow

01:47:42.237 --> 01:47:44.261
because I'm keeping an eye

01:47:44.280 --> 01:47:45.061
on that follower account.

01:47:48.033 --> 01:47:50.875
And, yeah, I mean,

01:47:50.895 --> 01:47:52.314
that would be how you find us.

01:47:52.335 --> 01:47:53.355
And when this video goes

01:47:53.456 --> 01:47:56.898
live on all the podcasts

01:47:56.957 --> 01:47:58.097
and platforms and when I

01:47:58.478 --> 01:47:59.859
re-release it on YouTube,

01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:01.359
I'll have all those links

01:48:01.819 --> 01:48:03.421
down in the description as well.

01:48:03.541 --> 01:48:04.780
So I'll make sure I get all

01:48:04.801 --> 01:48:05.481
those in there for you.

01:48:05.502 --> 01:48:09.203
Yeah, thank you.

01:48:09.222 --> 01:48:09.323
Okay,

01:48:09.344 --> 01:48:10.703
so we discussed it a little bit earlier.

01:48:11.965 --> 01:48:13.945
Issue four will go live on Kickstarter,

01:48:13.966 --> 01:48:15.485
we're thinking, August,

01:48:15.525 --> 01:48:16.587
September time frame.

01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:18.399
Okay.

01:48:19.341 --> 01:48:21.121
Yeah.

01:48:21.180 --> 01:48:21.381
I mean,

01:48:21.480 --> 01:48:23.101
I can't keep it in pre-launch forever.

01:48:23.862 --> 01:48:24.782
I am keeping an eye on those

01:48:24.801 --> 01:48:25.261
follower accounts,

01:48:25.282 --> 01:48:25.902
but I'm not just going to

01:48:25.921 --> 01:48:26.922
keep it in pre-launch forever.

01:48:28.523 --> 01:48:29.363
So, yeah, I mean, you know,

01:48:29.382 --> 01:48:30.243
I'm sure that the follower

01:48:30.262 --> 01:48:30.722
account will go up.

01:48:31.384 --> 01:48:32.144
It always does.

01:48:32.583 --> 01:48:34.363
Yeah, absolutely.

01:48:34.423 --> 01:48:35.744
As a matter of fact, when we're done,

01:48:35.784 --> 01:48:36.845
I'm going to do the same

01:48:36.885 --> 01:48:37.885
thing because I don't think

01:48:37.925 --> 01:48:38.725
I've done it yet either,

01:48:38.765 --> 01:48:39.905
and that's a shame on me.

01:48:40.445 --> 01:48:40.886
That's all right.

01:48:40.905 --> 01:48:42.947
Well, it's good to know that, you know,

01:48:42.966 --> 01:48:43.827
it could have been higher than that.

01:48:43.987 --> 01:48:44.167
Yeah.

01:48:45.734 --> 01:48:46.395
Sometimes, you know,

01:48:46.555 --> 01:48:48.435
that's a little simple things.

01:48:48.636 --> 01:48:50.518
You know, you might get, as a creative,

01:48:50.537 --> 01:48:52.139
you might get disheartened to learn,

01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:54.001
to look at your numbers or something.

01:48:54.020 --> 01:48:56.262
But then sometimes it's not even, you know,

01:48:56.283 --> 01:48:56.823
sometimes you're just like,

01:48:56.842 --> 01:48:57.423
I just forgot.

01:48:57.623 --> 01:48:58.264
And it's just like, oh, okay.

01:48:59.564 --> 01:49:01.346
When I get ready to do the release,

01:49:01.367 --> 01:49:02.368
I'll do the release with

01:49:02.387 --> 01:49:05.990
the big emboldened zip, you know, logo.

01:49:06.011 --> 01:49:07.551
And then I include all the

01:49:07.591 --> 01:49:08.493
links and stuff when I go

01:49:08.592 --> 01:49:09.252
live with the...

01:49:10.073 --> 01:49:11.835
with the podcast and whatever.

01:49:12.036 --> 01:49:13.577
I make sure I include all that stuff.

01:49:13.636 --> 01:49:15.358
We're going to get you there.

01:49:15.677 --> 01:49:17.319
I'm going to do my part to get you there.

01:49:17.340 --> 01:49:18.520
Thank you.

01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:20.542
Finish this sentence and

01:49:20.582 --> 01:49:21.403
we'll close it out.

01:49:21.922 --> 01:49:23.744
Zip is the kind of comic

01:49:23.765 --> 01:49:24.604
that... It's the kind of

01:49:24.625 --> 01:49:29.149
comic that... I mean...

01:49:33.253 --> 01:49:34.234
I think it's the kind of

01:49:34.274 --> 01:49:36.698
comic that tells a very

01:49:36.757 --> 01:49:37.819
personal story to me,

01:49:37.878 --> 01:49:40.161
but I hope resonates with a

01:49:40.201 --> 01:49:42.703
lot of people like me and

01:49:42.743 --> 01:49:44.005
possibly unlike me too.

01:49:46.467 --> 01:49:49.551
I want it to kind of appeal

01:49:49.570 --> 01:49:52.594
to people who would like to

01:49:52.634 --> 01:49:54.595
see a story about disability,

01:49:54.655 --> 01:49:55.658
but also just like,

01:49:56.546 --> 01:49:58.067
the wider idea of

01:49:58.226 --> 01:50:01.108
discrimination and marginalized groups.

01:50:01.127 --> 01:50:03.368
It kind of takes a look at

01:50:03.408 --> 01:50:04.868
how discrimination is

01:50:04.889 --> 01:50:07.350
affected by apathy and ignorance,

01:50:07.489 --> 01:50:08.329
as opposed to the more

01:50:08.670 --> 01:50:13.690
traditional motivator of fear and hate.

01:50:13.730 --> 01:50:16.612
But it's also got actions and explosions.

01:50:16.752 --> 01:50:19.752
You can't really... Yeah, it's a good one.

01:50:19.893 --> 01:50:21.233
Thank you.

01:50:24.231 --> 01:50:24.832
All right.

01:50:24.872 --> 01:50:25.953
Well, with that, Mike,

01:50:26.213 --> 01:50:27.654
I want to take a second and

01:50:27.675 --> 01:50:29.976
say thank you for coming on

01:50:30.096 --> 01:50:33.099
USDN and asking to come on.

01:50:33.739 --> 01:50:34.820
That means the world to me

01:50:34.841 --> 01:50:35.981
that you've seen the

01:50:36.042 --> 01:50:38.043
interview that I did with Bruno.

01:50:38.543 --> 01:50:39.425
You're actually the second

01:50:39.465 --> 01:50:40.445
person who's seen my

01:50:40.485 --> 01:50:41.987
interview with Bruno and was like, hey,

01:50:42.546 --> 01:50:44.368
can I come on and promote

01:50:44.408 --> 01:50:45.409
my new Kickstarter?

01:50:45.489 --> 01:50:46.610
And I love that kind of stuff.

01:50:46.650 --> 01:50:49.613
That means I'm doing my job okay.

01:50:49.672 --> 01:50:50.934
I'm going to get to great someday,

01:50:50.975 --> 01:50:52.475
but I'm okay with okay.

01:50:54.296 --> 01:50:55.417
but with that mike I want to

01:50:55.478 --> 01:50:57.439
welcome you now as an

01:50:57.479 --> 01:50:59.140
official member of the

01:50:59.180 --> 01:51:00.462
council of nerds here at

01:51:00.481 --> 01:51:01.203
the united states

01:51:01.222 --> 01:51:03.404
department of nerds and I

01:51:03.545 --> 01:51:04.865
want to say you know thanks

01:51:04.886 --> 01:51:06.087
for bringing zip to life it

01:51:06.127 --> 01:51:08.149
is one of those unique

01:51:08.168 --> 01:51:09.690
comics and I look for the

01:51:09.770 --> 01:51:11.271
unique comments when I read

01:51:11.332 --> 01:51:13.253
comic books so if you're

01:51:13.293 --> 01:51:14.515
listening you can check out

01:51:14.595 --> 01:51:17.317
issues one through three right now

01:51:18.358 --> 01:51:21.060
On Amazon or drive-thru comments,

01:51:21.780 --> 01:51:23.882
they are terrific reads.

01:51:24.323 --> 01:51:26.024
You will enjoy them greatly.

01:51:26.704 --> 01:51:27.744
And keep your eyes peeled on

01:51:27.784 --> 01:51:29.346
Kickstarter for issue four

01:51:29.787 --> 01:51:30.667
that is currently in

01:51:30.707 --> 01:51:33.350
pre-launch and launching soon.

01:51:34.069 --> 01:51:35.530
And I'll make sure all the

01:51:35.551 --> 01:51:36.811
links are in the show notes.

01:51:37.592 --> 01:51:40.255
But with that, Mike,

01:51:41.055 --> 01:51:46.659
you and Zip are now USDN approved.

01:51:47.688 --> 01:51:47.979
Thank you.