WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:13.499 --> 00:00:17.199 Travis Bader: Over the last few weeks, I had the privilege of traveling to Finland. 00:00:17.599 --> 00:00:20.599 Estonia, Norway, Sweden, and Iceland. 00:00:21.210 --> 00:00:24.460 What started as an invitation to hunt in Sweden quickly turned 00:00:24.460 --> 00:00:25.990 into something much larger. 00:00:26.650 --> 00:00:31.880 As many of you know, I'm a long time fan of Sako firearms and Norma ammunition. 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:36.159 With help from my friends at Stoker Canada, who are proud Silvercore 00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:40.140 Club Brad affiliates, I was able to connect directly with both companies. 00:00:40.740 --> 00:00:44.290 I couldn't have imagined the incredible reception we'd receive. 00:00:44.850 --> 00:00:48.939 Both Sako in Finland and Norma Ammunition in Sweden went above and 00:00:48.939 --> 00:00:53.559 beyond, rolling out the red carpet to show me and my wife the exacting 00:00:53.559 --> 00:00:58.900 processes behind their brands, and, more importantly, to introduce us to the 00:00:58.900 --> 00:01:00.880 passionate people who make it all happen. 00:01:01.495 --> 00:01:06.905 At Saco, eight team members generously took time out of their busy schedules to 00:01:06.905 --> 00:01:08.875 walk us through their amazing facilities. 00:01:09.274 --> 00:01:13.274 And at Norma, two representatives drove over three hours just to stay 00:01:13.274 --> 00:01:16.804 at our hotel and guide us through their factory tour the next day. 00:01:17.054 --> 00:01:21.854 I was blown away, not only by the precision, the robotic automation, 00:01:21.854 --> 00:01:26.164 the state of the art technologies, but by the human element behind it all. 00:01:26.554 --> 00:01:30.624 Despite all the marvels of modern day automation, I discovered 00:01:30.624 --> 00:01:32.714 something profoundly reassuring. 00:01:33.274 --> 00:01:36.424 That human touch is still irreplaceable. 00:01:37.094 --> 00:01:41.414 Sure, the machines were cool, but what captured my attention even more 00:01:41.534 --> 00:01:45.424 was the passion and dedication of the people who make those machines work. 00:01:45.985 --> 00:01:50.845 Despite the automation at the front end, there is still a heavy emphasis on 00:01:50.845 --> 00:01:55.645 the human touch on every product that leaves a door at the end of the process. 00:01:55.874 --> 00:01:59.364 For example, did you know that when you're checking the straightness of a barrel, 00:01:59.434 --> 00:02:01.884 nothing has yet to surpass a human eye? 00:02:02.175 --> 00:02:06.554 When examining ammunition, visually and physically inspecting cartridges yield 00:02:06.604 --> 00:02:10.704 a higher level of guaranteed consistency than machines alone are able to provide. 00:02:11.630 --> 00:02:15.800 But this trip wasn't just about touring factories, I had a chance 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.260 to hunt in Sweden with Robin and his friends in Solaron. 00:02:19.990 --> 00:02:23.659 These incredible people didn't know me from Adam, yet they came 00:02:23.660 --> 00:02:27.540 together to organize several days of hunting in their traditional 00:02:27.540 --> 00:02:30.314 Swedish style on historic grounds. 00:02:31.475 --> 00:02:36.355 These moments, the trust, the connections, the shared experiences 00:02:36.795 --> 00:02:39.305 are what this podcast is all about. 00:02:39.825 --> 00:02:42.865 They remind me of a couple of sayings I've shared here before. 00:02:42.975 --> 00:02:46.105 Ones that ring even more true after this trip. 00:02:46.715 --> 00:02:48.864 The first, it's not personal. 00:02:48.894 --> 00:02:49.874 It's just business. 00:02:50.424 --> 00:02:53.815 You've likely heard that phrase before, and I got to tell you, it's 00:02:53.825 --> 00:02:55.795 one I completely disagree with. 00:02:56.660 --> 00:02:59.550 To me, business is deeply personal. 00:02:59.580 --> 00:03:03.520 It's built on trust, consistency, and meaningful relationships. 00:03:04.050 --> 00:03:07.420 Separate the personal for the professional, and you'll lose a 00:03:07.420 --> 00:03:09.630 foundation that holds it all together. 00:03:10.640 --> 00:03:14.250 The second, show me your friends and I'll show you who you are. 00:03:14.739 --> 00:03:18.169 The people I had the privilege of meeting on this trip are 00:03:18.169 --> 00:03:19.789 not just great at what they do. 00:03:20.209 --> 00:03:21.359 They're great people. 00:03:21.679 --> 00:03:23.329 And that makes all the difference. 00:03:24.299 --> 00:03:25.309 With that said, let's get started. 00:03:25.610 --> 00:03:26.980 Let's get on with the podcast. 00:03:27.260 --> 00:03:27.880 Hey, Hey. 00:03:28.550 --> 00:03:29.150 Hey man. 00:03:29.190 --> 00:03:32.220 Coming to you from Sigtuna, Sweden. 00:03:32.750 --> 00:03:37.890 And I am sitting down with Sweden's hottest up and coming country music star. 00:03:37.890 --> 00:03:41.370 He is a passionate hunter, angler, conservationist. 00:03:42.340 --> 00:03:45.060 Welcome to the Silvercore podcast, Robin Winter. 00:03:45.945 --> 00:03:49.145 Robin Winther: Thank you so much, Travis, an honor to be here and be in 00:03:49.145 --> 00:03:52.895 the podcast and have you guys here as guests, it's been an awesome weekend. 00:03:53.035 --> 00:03:56.535 Travis Bader: This is the first time that I've recorded and somebody else is running 00:03:56.535 --> 00:04:01.425 around taking care of all the audio levels and, and all the professional stuff. 00:04:01.995 --> 00:04:08.325 Uh, Robin is a professional singer, songwriter, um, music guy all around, 00:04:08.335 --> 00:04:10.355 you've been, you've been doing music for what, since you've been 00:04:10.355 --> 00:04:12.425 like, Four years old, or before? 00:04:12.425 --> 00:04:13.115 Ha ha! 00:04:13.605 --> 00:04:16.534 Robin Winther: Yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's been music, like, a, a really long time. 00:04:16.534 --> 00:04:19.675 I actually started out playing trombone, out of all instruments. 00:04:20.305 --> 00:04:20.414 The 00:04:20.414 --> 00:04:21.034 Travis Bader: trombone? 00:04:21.094 --> 00:04:22.218 Robin Winther: The trombone, yeah. 00:04:22.218 --> 00:04:23.621 Was that like a school thing? 00:04:23.621 --> 00:04:25.024 They said you gotta play it? 00:04:25.024 --> 00:04:25.959 School thing, gotta play. 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:28.480 My parents are both playing instruments, and, uh, I actually 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:29.500 wanted to play the trumpet. 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:29.920 Okay. 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:30.610 But it was full. 00:04:30.610 --> 00:04:33.720 So , they put me on trombone in the orchestra. 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.320 I, no, I, I didn't love it. 00:04:36.500 --> 00:04:38.660 I, I kind of, no, it was, it was rough. 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:41.110 But, you know, it's, I think get me started, you know, 00:04:41.110 --> 00:04:42.250 you have to use your ears. 00:04:42.280 --> 00:04:44.260 'cause you know, you don't have a, it's like a slide. 00:04:44.349 --> 00:04:44.950 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:04:44.950 --> 00:04:46.139 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:04:45.094 --> 00:04:46.270 Travis Bader: I, I don't get that. 00:04:46.270 --> 00:04:46.599 Why? 00:04:46.599 --> 00:04:48.490 If someone's got an interest in anything. 00:04:48.490 --> 00:04:48.820 Right. 00:04:48.849 --> 00:04:52.740 If you're an interest in, in hunting or fishing, if you have an interest in. 00:04:53.159 --> 00:04:57.090 Music, why starting them off on the recorder, right? 00:04:57.119 --> 00:04:58.819 I remember when, that's what we did in Canada. 00:04:58.830 --> 00:05:01.229 We've got these recorders and you're playing hot cross buns 00:05:01.229 --> 00:05:04.459 and everyone, I've never heard a professional recorder player. 00:05:05.099 --> 00:05:07.249 Maybe they got them, but they all quit. 00:05:07.469 --> 00:05:07.769 Yeah. 00:05:07.770 --> 00:05:09.009 I don't think you can make it sound good. 00:05:09.009 --> 00:05:12.869 Start it with a cool instrument and, and spark that interest. 00:05:14.859 --> 00:05:17.840 If people from North America are listening to this and they're like a, 00:05:18.340 --> 00:05:22.340 Swedish, country, Western music star. 00:05:23.030 --> 00:05:25.410 I don't know if I've heard your music and I'll tell you this much. 00:05:25.420 --> 00:05:29.599 If you've listened to any episode of the Silvercore podcast, 00:05:29.880 --> 00:05:31.009 you've heard Robin's music. 00:05:31.389 --> 00:05:35.640 Robin has been a part of the Silvercore podcast from day one. 00:05:36.220 --> 00:05:40.230 I, oh yeah, I was, so I went online. 00:05:40.655 --> 00:05:41.855 I'm putting a podcast together. 00:05:42.085 --> 00:05:44.755 I don't really know what I'm doing, but I'm figuring it out as I go. 00:05:44.785 --> 00:05:49.185 But I want to have really cool music, sort of like Sonic brand 00:05:49.185 --> 00:05:51.025 this and have a really cool sound. 00:05:51.375 --> 00:05:53.405 That I can have as my intro and outro. 00:05:53.415 --> 00:05:55.235 And I found one and it was, I licensed it. 00:05:55.235 --> 00:05:59.075 It was an online licensing service and, and I love it. 00:05:59.094 --> 00:06:02.395 And it's been on every single episode on the intro and outro. 00:06:02.405 --> 00:06:04.164 But after five years, I'm looking at it. 00:06:04.164 --> 00:06:08.075 I said, I want to have something that's unique and that not 00:06:08.075 --> 00:06:09.825 everybody can go out and license. 00:06:09.825 --> 00:06:13.265 And I don't want to change it up too much because I really 00:06:13.265 --> 00:06:14.705 love the flavor and the style. 00:06:14.705 --> 00:06:18.114 I don't know if there's any place else that I can really find this. 00:06:18.719 --> 00:06:22.719 And I thought, well, what if I track down the artist who originally 00:06:22.770 --> 00:06:24.369 made the song that I really liked? 00:06:25.090 --> 00:06:28.749 And I did, it took some time of tracking down. 00:06:28.900 --> 00:06:29.469 It was hard. 00:06:29.479 --> 00:06:34.570 You, you, you had, I guess the different companies that you worked through had 00:06:34.579 --> 00:06:36.590 different names associated with you. 00:06:36.590 --> 00:06:41.159 And, and, uh, I wasn't sure if I actually found the right place, 00:06:41.159 --> 00:06:44.030 but I was able to find you. 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.320 And here's the weird part, so you're in Sweden, and I'm like, holy crows, other 00:06:48.320 --> 00:06:49.860 side of the world from where I'm from. 00:06:50.150 --> 00:06:52.670 And you're like, oh yeah, yeah, my, my girlfriend, she's from Langley, 00:06:52.700 --> 00:06:54.479 and um, she grew up in Richmond. 00:06:54.549 --> 00:06:54.799 Yeah. 00:06:54.830 --> 00:06:58.620 Which is like, straddling Ladner, where, where I live. 00:06:59.109 --> 00:07:00.139 What a small world. 00:07:00.755 --> 00:07:01.505 Robin Winther: It's insane. 00:07:01.995 --> 00:07:06.445 You know, when I got this email, I thought it was like a spam email. 00:07:06.475 --> 00:07:09.335 It's like, I have this podcast, you know, you get, you get this, all 00:07:09.345 --> 00:07:12.735 these weird emails, like, I want to build you a website or whatever. 00:07:13.055 --> 00:07:15.555 And I saw this email, I was like, is this real? 00:07:17.004 --> 00:07:17.374 I don't know. 00:07:17.385 --> 00:07:21.355 I'll just put it into answer lately, further down the road. 00:07:21.485 --> 00:07:22.465 I'll look into it. 00:07:22.835 --> 00:07:23.424 And it, it's insane. 00:07:23.745 --> 00:07:26.485 Like, I don't know, it got a couple of weeks. 00:07:26.515 --> 00:07:32.315 I don't remember how long you had to wait, but yeah, we were at have a small summer 00:07:32.375 --> 00:07:38.504 like fishing cabin up in the north of Sweden and Me and my my girlfriend from 00:07:38.505 --> 00:07:42.744 Langley were sitting out on the on the porch and we're like so I got this email 00:07:42.745 --> 00:07:47.255 And I wonder if it's real from this guy It's like it's like a podcaster or he was 00:07:47.485 --> 00:07:54.130 talking about a song that I did Ten years ago for this company and because those 00:07:54.130 --> 00:07:59.220 songs that it for that company They were like non like a license free song, right? 00:07:59.220 --> 00:08:01.639 Yeah, so everyone could use it So I thought it was like, oh you 00:08:01.650 --> 00:08:04.250 something connected like a spam or something connected to the songs 00:08:04.250 --> 00:08:09.259 cuz everyone could use it yeah, pretty much and So read it again. 00:08:09.289 --> 00:08:10.960 I was like, oh, this seems legit. 00:08:11.380 --> 00:08:18.135 So I'll answer it and like Pretty fast, got to respond, 00:08:18.224 --> 00:08:20.215 like, Hey man, that's so fun. 00:08:20.215 --> 00:08:22.265 Uh, can I call you on WhatsApp or something? 00:08:23.875 --> 00:08:26.804 And you call me and here we are today. 00:08:27.265 --> 00:08:30.494 Travis Bader: Yeah, that was, well, so a friend of mine, Carl Fox, 00:08:30.515 --> 00:08:34.495 he says, uh, Travis, you've been doing this podcast for a while. 00:08:34.515 --> 00:08:35.135 You love it. 00:08:35.164 --> 00:08:38.014 You're making some amazing connections, meeting some amazing 00:08:38.015 --> 00:08:39.574 people and people keep coming up. 00:08:39.584 --> 00:08:41.025 They say, Oh, you should come on out hunting. 00:08:41.025 --> 00:08:42.525 You should come out wherever it might be. 00:08:42.525 --> 00:08:42.885 Right. 00:08:43.134 --> 00:08:43.624 And. 00:08:44.015 --> 00:08:45.745 And I keep saying, no, no, no, no, I'm busy. 00:08:45.745 --> 00:08:47.165 You know, I'm running the business. 00:08:47.165 --> 00:08:49.165 I'm doing whatever, all these other things. 00:08:49.165 --> 00:08:51.805 He says, you gotta start saying yes. 00:08:51.805 --> 00:08:57.524 And actually a few episodes ago, I started it off with a, be a yes man, right? 00:08:57.524 --> 00:08:58.234 Oh, wow. 00:08:58.535 --> 00:09:03.214 Somebody says, come on out, maybe it's outside your comfort zone. 00:09:03.245 --> 00:09:06.245 And I got no problem pushing my comfort zone, but you know, you get 00:09:06.245 --> 00:09:08.495 into these routines in life, right? 00:09:08.495 --> 00:09:13.270 And you get into these areas of, you know, Work and family and friends and, 00:09:13.340 --> 00:09:17.430 and all the rest where it's kind of well balanced, but you have to push those 00:09:17.439 --> 00:09:18.919 boundaries if you really want to grow. 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:20.709 And so I just started saying, yes. 00:09:20.709 --> 00:09:21.919 And you said, Hey. 00:09:22.445 --> 00:09:25.985 Uh, if you're ever out in Sweden, uh, we should go for a hunt. 00:09:26.545 --> 00:09:26.824 And I 00:09:26.824 --> 00:09:29.285 Robin Winther: said, he said, yes. 00:09:29.835 --> 00:09:31.584 And I thought you were the bravest man in the world. 00:09:31.594 --> 00:09:36.084 Like you're reaching out to this guy you don't know on the other side of 00:09:36.084 --> 00:09:38.805 the Atlantic and invites you to hunt. 00:09:38.865 --> 00:09:42.414 And you're just like, all right, I'll book, I'll book, I'll book a plane ticket. 00:09:42.415 --> 00:09:43.144 And I'll come over. 00:09:43.734 --> 00:09:44.094 Yeah. 00:09:44.114 --> 00:09:46.654 Travis Bader: So that was, that was really cool. 00:09:46.704 --> 00:09:52.265 I mean, you don't, you Often get opportunities like this in life. 00:09:52.485 --> 00:09:56.575 And when you do, if you just say no out of politeness or no, because you 00:09:56.575 --> 00:10:00.865 got a busy schedule, You're missing out on, well, I would have missed out on 00:10:00.865 --> 00:10:03.495 meeting you and all your amazing friends. 00:10:04.135 --> 00:10:06.754 So we were in this area, am I allowed to say where we were? 00:10:06.754 --> 00:10:07.014 Yeah, 00:10:07.015 --> 00:10:07.604 Robin Winther: of course. 00:10:07.685 --> 00:10:08.045 Travis Bader: All right. 00:10:08.195 --> 00:10:12.105 So, uh, we went out to an area in Sweden called Solaron. 00:10:12.345 --> 00:10:12.635 Yep. 00:10:12.685 --> 00:10:13.345 Saying that right? 00:10:13.405 --> 00:10:13.645 Yeah. 00:10:13.714 --> 00:10:14.675 Sun Island. 00:10:14.795 --> 00:10:15.575 Sun Island. 00:10:15.584 --> 00:10:17.595 In old Swedish, pretty much, that's what it means. 00:10:17.665 --> 00:10:18.035 And you know what? 00:10:18.035 --> 00:10:19.145 I should probably take a step back. 00:10:19.155 --> 00:10:20.095 Cause it's kind of funny. 00:10:20.579 --> 00:10:27.030 I'm decked out in my Fjällräven, uh, pants and Fjällräven shirt to show some homage 00:10:27.030 --> 00:10:31.540 to Sweden and you've got your John Deere hat on, and you're wearing your Canadian 00:10:31.540 --> 00:10:33.630 Tire hat the other day and your car heart. 00:10:33.630 --> 00:10:34.939 And that's funny. 00:10:34.939 --> 00:10:39.969 We, we look in the garage out here and you got a 66 Ford with an inline six on there. 00:10:39.969 --> 00:10:40.000 And. 00:10:40.890 --> 00:10:47.310 It's, um, it, I, we've got our roles reversed here, but so, 00:10:47.310 --> 00:10:49.720 um, Solaron, awesome place. 00:10:49.730 --> 00:10:54.339 So just outside of Mora, so there's a company, I use their knives. 00:10:54.339 --> 00:10:56.950 Um, uh, Morakniv, Morakniv, am I saying that right? 00:10:57.009 --> 00:10:57.249 Yeah. 00:10:57.290 --> 00:10:57.820 Morakniv. 00:10:57.929 --> 00:11:00.479 And they make affordable knives. 00:11:00.479 --> 00:11:01.840 I use it for hunting and fishing. 00:11:01.850 --> 00:11:02.570 They're lightweight. 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.150 I throw them in my pack and if I want to rat bag it or, or lend 00:11:07.150 --> 00:11:10.440 it out, I don't care because it's, I'm not breaking the bank. 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:14.740 And anyways, Guatemala had to stop by their place, check their stuff out. 00:11:14.749 --> 00:11:15.849 That was pretty amazing. 00:11:15.990 --> 00:11:19.390 Coming back with a bunch of knives prior to that was in Finland 00:11:19.779 --> 00:11:21.329 and was at the Saco factory. 00:11:22.069 --> 00:11:23.120 That was really cool. 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.360 Did a full tour there. 00:11:24.965 --> 00:11:26.795 What an amazing group of people out there. 00:11:26.795 --> 00:11:30.955 I shoot SOCO, been using them for, for years and years, and I'm looking 00:11:30.955 --> 00:11:33.785 at their, their new models and everything they're, they're putting out. 00:11:33.835 --> 00:11:36.465 They've got a museum in there, their production line. 00:11:36.475 --> 00:11:38.884 That, that was neat looking at all the robots and machines, 00:11:38.884 --> 00:11:39.825 putting everything together. 00:11:39.825 --> 00:11:46.314 And even with all the high tech automation, final step is human 00:11:46.314 --> 00:11:48.963 eye, looking over everything, it's got the human touch and 00:11:48.963 --> 00:11:50.789 then over to, uh, to Norma. 00:11:50.789 --> 00:11:51.094 Yeah. 00:11:51.094 --> 00:11:57.395 So Norma in Sweden, and we've been Got a tour of the Animal Factory and actually 00:11:57.395 --> 00:12:02.165 they were, uh, Jonas was, uh, nice enough to provide some ammunition to use on the 00:12:02.165 --> 00:12:04.145 recent hunt that we had here in Solar Run. 00:12:04.150 --> 00:12:04.340 So, nice. 00:12:04.370 --> 00:12:04.660 Yeah. 00:12:04.810 --> 00:12:05.100 Yeah. 00:12:05.760 --> 00:12:11.485 And um, so you're coming on up, it's what, few hours from here? 00:12:11.490 --> 00:12:13.135 3, 3, 4 hours. 00:12:13.135 --> 00:12:14.515 Three, four hours up Northwest. 00:12:14.515 --> 00:12:14.785 Yeah. 00:12:15.325 --> 00:12:17.725 And you are like, I got a group of people. 00:12:17.725 --> 00:12:19.015 They're excited to meet you. 00:12:19.330 --> 00:12:19.900 You'll like it. 00:12:19.910 --> 00:12:21.190 It's a beautiful area. 00:12:21.220 --> 00:12:24.280 It's a bit of a throwback for, uh, for Sweden. 00:12:24.700 --> 00:12:25.300 Tell me about it. 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.930 Robin Winther: I would say it's, it's kind of a time capsule, uh, up there, you know, 00:12:28.930 --> 00:12:35.805 it's, um, I live closer to Stockholm, the big city and, um, yeah, time is, I've 00:12:36.035 --> 00:12:39.585 been standing a little more still up there and like especially a little bit more 00:12:39.595 --> 00:12:44.895 out on this island and it's a little more old school Which I really enjoy and the 00:12:44.895 --> 00:12:50.654 people are so warm and open hearted and generous And you know, it takes you back a 00:12:50.655 --> 00:12:55.940 little bit and all the houses are a little more classic style They're What color? 00:12:55.990 --> 00:12:56.790 They're all red. 00:12:56.820 --> 00:12:57.840 Travis Bader: Everything on there is red. 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.020 It's like, if you paint your house a different color other than red, 00:13:00.030 --> 00:13:01.540 you are going to be ostracized. 00:13:01.930 --> 00:13:02.470 Pretty much. 00:13:02.850 --> 00:13:03.250 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:13:03.470 --> 00:13:04.440 We had a short story. 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:10.769 We had this mine in Sweden back in the day, a copper mine that, uh, the by 00:13:10.770 --> 00:13:16.590 product of this mine was that they did a paint, red paint called Fålurafaj. 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.340 And it became really popular and it's a really good paint because 00:13:20.340 --> 00:13:22.230 it withstands weather great. 00:13:22.839 --> 00:13:23.549 And. 00:13:24.220 --> 00:13:24.500 Yeah. 00:13:24.500 --> 00:13:25.800 It's had a big breakthrough. 00:13:25.800 --> 00:13:28.600 And since then, I think all houses in Sweden are red. 00:13:30.040 --> 00:13:32.539 Travis Bader: Every once in a while, you see a house that's 00:13:32.540 --> 00:13:33.800 going to be, um, yellow. 00:13:34.290 --> 00:13:39.149 Yellowish color or, uh, so it looks like you either have red or if you have 00:13:39.149 --> 00:13:42.009 a large enough property and you have a secondary property, it's going to be 00:13:42.009 --> 00:13:43.590 yellow or it's going to be red and yellow. 00:13:44.214 --> 00:13:49.115 And some are yellow and red, which is really pushing the, uh, the envelope. 00:13:49.115 --> 00:13:49.405 Pushing the 00:13:49.405 --> 00:13:50.095 Robin Winther: boundaries there. 00:13:50.095 --> 00:13:50.535 Yeah. 00:13:50.745 --> 00:13:51.275 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:13:51.305 --> 00:13:54.555 You know, that it's interesting because I, one of the things I want 00:13:54.555 --> 00:13:58.474 to talk about is some sort of the similar similarities and differences 00:13:58.475 --> 00:14:04.365 between culture and hunting in Canada and British Columbia, where I'm from. 00:14:05.075 --> 00:14:11.495 In Sweden, I was amazed at how welcoming everybody was, how 00:14:11.525 --> 00:14:17.385 similar the mentality of the hunters are and the, the camaraderie. 00:14:17.994 --> 00:14:19.975 Um, but I was also amazed at how. 00:14:20.709 --> 00:14:27.810 Easy it was as an outsider to be able to come in and, um, uh, hunt legally within 00:14:27.819 --> 00:14:29.699 the government framework and regulations. 00:14:29.699 --> 00:14:35.489 And I mean, you're going to be over in BC in a little bit and, uh, you need to get 00:14:35.489 --> 00:14:38.900 a guide if you're going to be doing any big game hunting and that's big bucks. 00:14:38.939 --> 00:14:41.000 So there's a, there's a huge barrier to entry. 00:14:41.870 --> 00:14:44.520 Um, and then, you know, 00:14:46.935 --> 00:14:50.744 When I, when I looked at it with, so we go out, maybe I'll back up a little bit. 00:14:50.974 --> 00:14:51.935 We did a driven hunt. 00:14:52.285 --> 00:14:54.745 Tell me, tell me a bit about driven hunts, because this is something 00:14:54.745 --> 00:14:55.855 we don't really do in Canada. 00:14:56.285 --> 00:14:56.785 Yeah. 00:14:57.075 --> 00:14:58.415 Robin Winther: It, we're pretty unique in that. 00:14:58.415 --> 00:15:03.584 Cause in Sweden we have kind of pretty liberal hunting laws when 00:15:03.585 --> 00:15:05.095 it comes to the way we hunt. 00:15:05.335 --> 00:15:10.194 Like you can't obviously hunt from cars in Sweden and we have, there's 00:15:10.395 --> 00:15:12.564 some, of course, a lot of laws to it. 00:15:13.545 --> 00:15:17.694 Uh, we have a super liberal, um, way of hunting with dogs. 00:15:18.400 --> 00:15:22.999 So pretty much our, like the most popular hunt here in Sweden is with dogs and 00:15:22.999 --> 00:15:25.819 like driving, driving dogs, pushing dogs. 00:15:26.250 --> 00:15:33.250 So what we usually do is we have, uh, a dog that is like, it's purposed 00:15:33.280 --> 00:15:36.029 and it trained for the game we're going out to hunting that day. 00:15:36.300 --> 00:15:37.989 So we were out hunting red deer. 00:15:39.259 --> 00:15:45.680 And so we have a dog that only pushes, Red deer and, uh, boar. 00:15:46.650 --> 00:15:53.250 Um, so, you place out shooters around the area where we're gonna hunt, and 00:15:53.250 --> 00:15:55.189 then you have a couple of dogs going in. 00:15:55.835 --> 00:16:00.105 Into this area that we're hunting and trying to awake the animal 00:16:00.355 --> 00:16:02.515 and push it out to the shooters. 00:16:02.565 --> 00:16:02.975 Great. 00:16:03.485 --> 00:16:07.575 So that's the, like the, yeah, that's kind of how, how we do it. 00:16:07.645 --> 00:16:10.795 And, um, So civilized, like really. 00:16:10.804 --> 00:16:13.324 Civilized and, uh, pretty effective. 00:16:13.384 --> 00:16:13.564 Yeah. 00:16:13.585 --> 00:16:14.604 Goes fast. 00:16:14.634 --> 00:16:16.494 And if there's an animal. 00:16:16.939 --> 00:16:20.879 In the area where we're hunting, we'll most likely get it out if it's a good dog. 00:16:21.619 --> 00:16:24.000 And, uh, well, we, we got pretty lucky. 00:16:24.060 --> 00:16:29.330 I think within 10 minutes, we had a big, uh, female, 00:16:29.680 --> 00:16:30.300 Travis Bader: uh, red deer. 00:16:30.790 --> 00:16:31.310 So, okay. 00:16:31.340 --> 00:16:32.909 Hunt's on, we're all stationed up. 00:16:32.910 --> 00:16:36.560 We're in our areas and since you're using dogs, so the animals will be 00:16:36.599 --> 00:16:38.199 bedded down through the day, typically. 00:16:38.339 --> 00:16:38.609 Robin Winther: You 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.500 Travis Bader: can get up a little bit later in the day, the animals 00:16:42.500 --> 00:16:43.420 are going to be bedded down. 00:16:43.450 --> 00:16:44.590 Everyone gets in their positions. 00:16:46.550 --> 00:16:48.750 They got GPS callers on the dogs. 00:16:48.800 --> 00:16:49.080 Yeah. 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.060 The hunters are all, uh, geo located with their, their units. 00:16:53.500 --> 00:16:57.240 There's an app that everybody uses here called We Hunt, and there's a yearly 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:58.750 subscription, I think it's about 50 bucks. 00:16:58.750 --> 00:16:59.190 Is it, or? 00:16:59.300 --> 00:16:59.830 Something like that. 00:16:59.989 --> 00:17:00.359 Yeah. 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:00.599 Yeah. 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.210 Yearly subscription, but it, it get your hunt code. 00:17:04.210 --> 00:17:05.999 So it shows everybody in your hunting party. 00:17:05.999 --> 00:17:09.020 You see where you are, you see where the dogs are, you can follow it. 00:17:09.340 --> 00:17:10.540 Like it's crazy. 00:17:10.550 --> 00:17:10.910 And. 00:17:11.460 --> 00:17:14.050 Effective, 10 minutes later, bang, bang, bang. 00:17:14.069 --> 00:17:14.440 Yeah. 00:17:14.589 --> 00:17:14.870 Yeah. 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:20.569 We hear, uh, some, Simon saw the, uh, the red deer, took some shots and, 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.120 uh, uh, was successful on that one. 00:17:23.120 --> 00:17:27.159 I think, uh, Alex helped him out there and, uh, on the end bit. 00:17:27.179 --> 00:17:32.010 And, um, um, then the dogs continue to do their work in case there 00:17:32.010 --> 00:17:33.770 is more animals in the area. 00:17:33.970 --> 00:17:34.250 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:17:35.870 --> 00:17:37.590 Travis Bader: Interesting things that I, I learned. 00:17:37.590 --> 00:17:40.170 So if the. 00:17:40.430 --> 00:17:43.649 Dog happens to flush out a different animal than what 00:17:43.649 --> 00:17:45.310 it is that you're targeting. 00:17:45.419 --> 00:17:45.760 Yeah. 00:17:45.800 --> 00:17:51.189 Um, you guys don't want to harvest that animal, uh, because you don't want to 00:17:51.189 --> 00:17:55.359 reward the dog and turn it into a dog that now hunts that a different type of animal. 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:56.100 You basically. 00:17:56.610 --> 00:17:57.490 Broke that dog. 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:58.520 Robin Winther: Yeah, exactly. 00:17:58.530 --> 00:17:59.720 So it's super sensitive. 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:03.889 So if you have a dog, cause we did a couple of hunts we had, we were 00:18:03.889 --> 00:18:09.029 hunting, um, red deer and boar, and then we were hunting red fox and hare. 00:18:09.649 --> 00:18:17.315 And if you have a dog that's specialized at hunting fox, Or, um, uh, hare. 00:18:17.885 --> 00:18:19.855 You can't hunt roe deer, for example. 00:18:20.385 --> 00:18:22.255 We have a lot of roe deer here in Sweden. 00:18:22.375 --> 00:18:24.914 It's like pretty, pretty, like almost invasive. 00:18:25.205 --> 00:18:27.335 Uh, so they're spread out everywhere. 00:18:27.835 --> 00:18:31.855 And for hunting fox and hare, you need really fast dogs. 00:18:32.525 --> 00:18:37.135 Uh, so from early age, we start training these dogs. 00:18:37.524 --> 00:18:43.134 Not to go for roe deer, and so it's really important that you 00:18:43.134 --> 00:18:44.254 don't shoot a roe deer for that. 00:18:44.264 --> 00:18:46.955 Even though it's, you're allowed to shoot roe deer during that 00:18:46.965 --> 00:18:48.364 time we're hunting fox and stuff. 00:18:48.404 --> 00:18:52.165 We don't shoot it because it will pretty much break the dog. 00:18:52.185 --> 00:18:52.544 Right. 00:18:52.544 --> 00:18:56.274 Like the training, because if it's once rewarded for a roe deer, you can't, 00:18:56.475 --> 00:18:59.839 it will continue chasing roe deer, and that will not be a good thing. 00:18:59.899 --> 00:19:01.189 Like it will take up a lot of time. 00:19:01.189 --> 00:19:03.720 So like, Oh, what is this guy, a dog doing? 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.399 It's running off and chasing road here and it's following this road here for hours. 00:19:07.649 --> 00:19:09.550 I'm just sitting waiting for Fox, you know? 00:19:09.550 --> 00:19:10.229 So it's. 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.169 Travis Bader: Other differences that I saw, um, big one, right off the bat, 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:17.670 you guys use suppressors on your rifles. 00:19:17.830 --> 00:19:18.299 We do. 00:19:18.460 --> 00:19:18.910 We do. 00:19:19.320 --> 00:19:20.649 And that totally makes sense. 00:19:20.689 --> 00:19:24.419 I mean, the two most offensive things from firearms are recoil. 00:19:24.429 --> 00:19:28.935 If it's a heavier recoiling firearm, And the noise and suppressors 00:19:28.965 --> 00:19:30.465 help mitigate both of those. 00:19:30.514 --> 00:19:33.624 I don't get rid of it completely, but, uh, I'm usually out there. 00:19:33.624 --> 00:19:39.544 I use a SWAT com, uh, electronic hearing protection or like Peltor Tac 6s or, but 00:19:39.544 --> 00:19:43.204 I got these things on all day long and they're good in some respects because 00:19:43.204 --> 00:19:48.144 they'll amplify the sounds around you and, uh, bad in other respects. 00:19:48.144 --> 00:19:49.675 Cause maybe it's not the sounds you want to hear. 00:19:49.685 --> 00:19:53.234 Cause it's usually those higher end kind of sounds that rustles and crinkles. 00:19:53.695 --> 00:19:56.915 That it amplifies, uh, hotter weather hunting. 00:19:56.925 --> 00:19:59.655 I don't like it cause it's hot, but cold weather hunting, it's 00:19:59.655 --> 00:20:01.875 nice to have them on, but you lose. 00:20:02.315 --> 00:20:04.475 Um, directionality a bit, 00:20:05.155 --> 00:20:05.745 Robin Winther: I think so too. 00:20:05.745 --> 00:20:09.695 And also, you know, it's, it's like a little weird listening and you, you lose 00:20:09.695 --> 00:20:11.085 also a little connection with nature. 00:20:11.095 --> 00:20:14.685 I think I agree with this on like you, I usually have them like turned up really 00:20:14.685 --> 00:20:19.314 high and you hear the wind and it's like, I know it tires you out a little bit. 00:20:19.344 --> 00:20:19.855 I think 00:20:20.135 --> 00:20:20.574 Travis Bader: I agree. 00:20:20.574 --> 00:20:20.774 Yeah. 00:20:20.775 --> 00:20:21.835 That's a good observation. 00:20:21.925 --> 00:20:24.715 Uh, obviously as an audio engineer, you would, you would 00:20:24.715 --> 00:20:25.825 notice those sort of things. 00:20:26.045 --> 00:20:27.754 Yeah, but like it also 00:20:27.754 --> 00:20:31.034 Robin Winther: effective like it's good to have I use them as well. 00:20:31.215 --> 00:20:39.585 But um, so the silencer thing actually just got, uh, legal to get a silencers 00:20:39.614 --> 00:20:42.665 without a license because before, if you bought a weapon and you wanted 00:20:42.665 --> 00:20:46.845 to get a silencers for like a bolt action rifle, you had to apply for 00:20:46.845 --> 00:20:48.095 a license that it would take Okay. 00:20:48.520 --> 00:20:52.330 Eight weeks to get the silencer license as well. 00:20:52.710 --> 00:20:56.400 And I think it was last year or the, the year before to just open it up. 00:20:56.580 --> 00:21:01.910 So I think you still have to like, um, do something when you buy it. 00:21:01.910 --> 00:21:04.850 Like, yeah, I have a put in, fill in some form, right? 00:21:04.850 --> 00:21:08.970 That you have a silencer, but there's no licensing for it 00:21:08.970 --> 00:21:10.320 anymore, which is pretty nice. 00:21:10.620 --> 00:21:13.170 Travis Bader: Well, I mean, it, it totally makes sense. 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:18.300 I remember I, I've said this before in the podcast, but I think I was 19 years old. 00:21:18.890 --> 00:21:23.330 Scotland, I was walking out from Inverness to Loch Ness and there's 00:21:23.330 --> 00:21:27.389 a guy shooting on his property and he was using a suppressor. 00:21:27.530 --> 00:21:29.970 And anyways, I walked up, I talked to them and I said, well, 00:21:30.090 --> 00:21:31.850 those are illegal in Canada. 00:21:31.899 --> 00:21:32.569 We can't have them. 00:21:32.900 --> 00:21:33.620 He says, really? 00:21:33.910 --> 00:21:35.309 I live so close to my neighbors. 00:21:35.309 --> 00:21:36.210 I have to have them. 00:21:36.289 --> 00:21:39.420 If I don't have them, then that's sound pollution and that would be illegal. 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:39.970 So, yeah. 00:21:40.505 --> 00:21:46.435 That was a, um, a bit of an interesting eye opener, but to be able to hunt and not 00:21:46.435 --> 00:21:48.205 have to worry about losing your hearing. 00:21:48.304 --> 00:21:48.425 Yeah. 00:21:48.525 --> 00:21:49.215 Because you're, you're popping around. 00:21:49.215 --> 00:21:50.505 It's still loud, even with a. 00:21:50.505 --> 00:21:50.925 Sure. 00:21:51.475 --> 00:21:52.275 Robin Winther: Like a suppressor. 00:21:52.275 --> 00:21:56.705 It's, it's, it's, it's loud, but you know, it's, I, I like it and it's good. 00:21:56.705 --> 00:21:59.744 And we just got it, uh, legal for, for a month. 00:22:00.054 --> 00:22:03.845 Uh, 22s, because before you couldn't have it, uh, for 22s. 00:22:03.855 --> 00:22:04.385 Really? 00:22:04.445 --> 00:22:07.055 Yeah, you could have it for anything, everything else, but like, not for 00:22:07.055 --> 00:22:08.865 22s, so now we can have it for 22s too. 00:22:08.895 --> 00:22:09.444 Travis Bader: Why do you think that 00:22:09.445 --> 00:22:10.085 Robin Winther: is? 00:22:10.504 --> 00:22:13.955 I think it's, I guess, a little too quiet, maybe? 00:22:14.134 --> 00:22:14.725 I don't know. 00:22:14.764 --> 00:22:16.014 You can get quiet, yeah. 00:22:16.015 --> 00:22:19.115 Yeah, it's, I don't know, it's, it's nice because then I, I can use it in 00:22:19.115 --> 00:22:22.595 my, because I have neighbors around here, even though I'm a little remote. 00:22:22.625 --> 00:22:22.985 Right. 00:22:23.705 --> 00:22:24.294 That's pretty good. 00:22:24.294 --> 00:22:27.874 I can use it in my backyard in a little forest and practice shoot and stuff. 00:22:27.945 --> 00:22:28.435 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:22:28.544 --> 00:22:32.195 So the speed of sounds are in 1, 100 feet per second, depending on 00:22:32.204 --> 00:22:36.854 humidity and altitude and a few other things, but average around there. 00:22:36.864 --> 00:22:41.925 And if you can keep the speed of sound on that 22 below that, it's just, all 00:22:41.925 --> 00:22:43.114 you hear is click, click, click, click. 00:22:43.144 --> 00:22:47.725 And as it goes, it's just the, uh, hammer falling or firing pin hitting. 00:22:48.525 --> 00:22:53.765 If it goes above it, um, and you point the, uh, let's say 00:22:53.765 --> 00:22:55.275 the rifle into the ground. 00:22:56.150 --> 00:22:59.200 You can go click, click, click into the ground and then point it down range and 00:22:59.210 --> 00:23:01.290 allow it to break that sound barrier. 00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:06.630 It almost sounds the same as a, uh, at least out of a rifle. 00:23:06.770 --> 00:23:07.030 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:23:07.080 --> 00:23:08.779 Travis Bader: Pistols, of course, are going to have a lot of report 00:23:08.780 --> 00:23:12.770 with a shorter barrel, but, uh, yeah, those 22s can get real quiet. 00:23:13.009 --> 00:23:14.350 9mm can get pretty quiet too. 00:23:14.399 --> 00:23:14.719 Robin Winther: Okay. 00:23:14.729 --> 00:23:14.959 Yeah. 00:23:15.149 --> 00:23:18.049 Travis Bader: Uh, I've done a little, little bit of playing with suppressors 00:23:18.050 --> 00:23:23.160 and in the past we're licensed to manufacture and, um, develop and, and, 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:28.785 um, Do a few other things with, with them and what we call prohibited weapons 00:23:28.785 --> 00:23:30.265 and prohibited devices in Canada. 00:23:31.655 --> 00:23:31.965 Interesting. 00:23:32.614 --> 00:23:36.294 But it never, it never made sense to me, the whole hunting aspect, 00:23:36.324 --> 00:23:40.294 not being allowed to use something that's going to be, I don't know, 00:23:40.344 --> 00:23:44.264 everywhere else, occupational health and safety would say, like wear a hard 00:23:44.284 --> 00:23:46.024 hat, put eye protection on, right? 00:23:46.194 --> 00:23:47.664 Like you protect those ears. 00:23:47.694 --> 00:23:50.594 Yeah, that makes sense. 00:23:50.654 --> 00:23:51.745 Maybe one day. 00:23:52.590 --> 00:23:54.120 I think, I think it might be coming. 00:23:54.550 --> 00:23:54.960 I don't know. 00:23:55.129 --> 00:23:56.090 I don't know. 00:23:56.090 --> 00:23:56.370 It's, uh. 00:23:56.379 --> 00:23:56.680 I didn't 00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.090 Robin Winther: see this coming in Sweden that will be licensed for you either. 00:23:59.090 --> 00:24:02.130 So, um, that was a pretty nice surprise actually. 00:24:02.739 --> 00:24:03.019 Yeah. 00:24:03.060 --> 00:24:04.669 To be fighting for that though, for a while. 00:24:04.669 --> 00:24:06.129 So it's nice that it finally. 00:24:06.429 --> 00:24:08.149 Do you guys have like an NRA of Sweden? 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:15.780 Yeah, I'm, I'm not sure about that, but I guess there's some kind of a, 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:18.929 we have like the hunters association. 00:24:19.190 --> 00:24:19.629 Okay. 00:24:19.629 --> 00:24:19.990 Right. 00:24:20.029 --> 00:24:21.260 That's doing that. 00:24:21.310 --> 00:24:22.980 It's just working with the government a lot. 00:24:23.679 --> 00:24:26.960 Travis Bader: What the other thing I thought was interesting was. 00:24:27.050 --> 00:24:30.889 Uh, you guys get allotments of animals for different, 00:24:30.939 --> 00:24:31.280 Robin Winther: is 00:24:31.280 --> 00:24:32.169 Travis Bader: it for your group? 00:24:32.850 --> 00:24:33.860 Robin Winther: You set up a hunting group? 00:24:34.120 --> 00:24:36.510 It is actually for the area you're hunting. 00:24:36.830 --> 00:24:44.500 So up where we were hunting, they get, they got five, I think red deers. 00:24:44.560 --> 00:24:48.240 Um, so we're hunting where you're allowed to hunt with dogs from 00:24:48.399 --> 00:24:49.809 early September to February. 00:24:50.530 --> 00:24:53.340 Uh, that's the only time we can release a dog in the, in the forest. 00:24:53.379 --> 00:24:57.750 Cause, or the other time, you know, you have to respect the animal. 00:24:58.190 --> 00:24:59.800 I like the repopulation and, yeah. 00:24:59.800 --> 00:25:00.160 Sure. 00:25:00.500 --> 00:25:01.450 So, um. 00:25:02.175 --> 00:25:06.024 But during that time, I think it's depending on the size of the land you 00:25:06.024 --> 00:25:11.715 get assigned a couple of mooses, a couple of red deers, a lot of roe deers 00:25:11.715 --> 00:25:17.264 you can shoot and for boars because boars have been coming more north. 00:25:17.304 --> 00:25:20.255 We had a lot of them down south, but now they've reached 00:25:20.335 --> 00:25:22.444 the place we hunted as well. 00:25:22.874 --> 00:25:25.224 They were not there four or five years ago. 00:25:25.300 --> 00:25:26.500 Uh, snowboards up there. 00:25:26.909 --> 00:25:27.260 Really? 00:25:27.320 --> 00:25:27.770 Yeah. 00:25:27.870 --> 00:25:31.219 And so now they've changed so you can hunt them all year round. 00:25:31.320 --> 00:25:31.960 But yes. 00:25:32.030 --> 00:25:33.280 And day and night too, right? 00:25:33.669 --> 00:25:34.649 Day and night too. 00:25:34.750 --> 00:25:38.720 And also you can have like thermal and you can, you can 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:40.149 shoot them where you feed them. 00:25:40.149 --> 00:25:43.650 So you can have a feeding station and you can feed them, you can have a light 00:25:43.689 --> 00:25:45.280 there and so you can have all these. 00:25:46.070 --> 00:25:51.050 You can't hunt them from cars, uh, but like, besides that, like, pretty 00:25:51.050 --> 00:25:53.040 much any way you want to hunt them. 00:25:53.100 --> 00:25:53.490 And their meat. 00:25:53.869 --> 00:25:56.120 I've never had wild boar meat. 00:25:56.170 --> 00:25:56.860 Travis Bader: It's really good. 00:25:56.860 --> 00:25:57.419 Robin Winther: Yeah, I've heard that. 00:25:57.419 --> 00:26:02.469 It's like a game, um, uh, it's, it's, it's a good flavor. 00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:03.360 Yeah, I like it. 00:26:04.260 --> 00:26:06.620 Travis Bader: Yeah, when I was in Finland, we trained. 00:26:07.185 --> 00:26:10.395 Big part of traveling for me and experiencing a culture 00:26:10.395 --> 00:26:12.375 is experiencing the food. 00:26:12.379 --> 00:26:12.670 Yeah. 00:26:12.825 --> 00:26:17.044 And so having some traditional food and, and, uh, and of course 00:26:17.044 --> 00:26:20.465 you have to have the reindeer, which we call caribou and, uh Oh 00:26:20.465 --> 00:26:20.705 Robin Winther: yeah. 00:26:20.885 --> 00:26:24.245 Travis Bader: Um, I mean it fantastic. 00:26:24.245 --> 00:26:27.384 And also had they called it Gray Bear, but I looked it up. 00:26:27.415 --> 00:26:30.135 It looks like it's a, um, it looks like a brown bear. 00:26:30.315 --> 00:26:30.555 Okay. 00:26:30.555 --> 00:26:32.415 Basically a, like a grizzly bear. 00:26:32.715 --> 00:26:33.165 Oh, wow. 00:26:33.165 --> 00:26:34.005 I didn't know about that one. 00:26:34.215 --> 00:26:34.545 Yeah. 00:26:34.550 --> 00:26:34.610 So. 00:26:35.315 --> 00:26:38.075 They serve that game meat in restaurants. 00:26:38.075 --> 00:26:41.245 And in Canada, well, most of the provinces, that's illegal. 00:26:41.275 --> 00:26:47.745 I think, I think Quebec, I was talking to, uh, to a chef about this before who hunts 00:26:47.745 --> 00:26:50.704 and he's got a, uh, his Instagram feed. 00:26:50.705 --> 00:26:55.070 He's the hunter chef and he's got some, A book out and he's got another 00:26:55.070 --> 00:26:58.560 one coming out too, but there's, I think it was Quebec and maybe I 00:26:58.590 --> 00:27:02.159 think it was, uh, uh, Newfoundland. 00:27:02.180 --> 00:27:05.649 I think where there are certain times allowed to serve game meat. 00:27:06.040 --> 00:27:08.440 Robin Winther: Oh, aside from that, can't do it. 00:27:08.600 --> 00:27:09.060 Oh, wow. 00:27:09.109 --> 00:27:14.309 Yeah, we, we do, uh, we serve a lot of game meat and you can also like sell your. 00:27:14.490 --> 00:27:17.399 You are, you are, you're allowed to sell your game. 00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:21.860 The problem with boar, 'cause like we had a lot of boars got super popular over 00:27:21.860 --> 00:27:27.029 the years and they can have this, um, bacteria, I don't remember the name of it. 00:27:27.054 --> 00:27:28.634 Trinos or Yeah, or Trino. 00:27:29.144 --> 00:27:29.754 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:30.954 TCH in Swedish. 00:27:31.649 --> 00:27:31.949 Yeah. 00:27:31.949 --> 00:27:32.279 Okay. 00:27:32.610 --> 00:27:36.649 And so you have to send it to the lab first, so you get like a little 00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:39.020 piece of the bar and send it away. 00:27:39.074 --> 00:27:40.280 It, and it's got it fine. 00:27:40.280 --> 00:27:44.529 But there's some ca areas where it's more and actually. 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:50.680 We have a little problem with boar since the Chernobyl nuclear accident. 00:27:50.770 --> 00:27:51.470 Travis Bader: Oh, okay. 00:27:51.670 --> 00:27:53.050 Robin Winther: So They glow now? 00:27:53.659 --> 00:27:54.410 They glow now. 00:27:54.650 --> 00:27:58.739 No, but since they're eating like mushrooms and like stuff, and we had 00:27:58.739 --> 00:28:04.049 like a lot of rain of, um, nuclear waste after Chernobyl here in Sweden. 00:28:04.449 --> 00:28:09.630 So we still, for a while, we like tested, I don't know if we tested boar 00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.340 for nuclear or Like radiation and stuff. 00:28:13.340 --> 00:28:15.440 Cause like we couldn't pick mushrooms. 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:17.700 We couldn't fish for a lot of years after that. 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:19.470 For all of Sweden? 00:28:20.010 --> 00:28:25.570 Especially for the North East part of Sweden, where it's closer to, to the 00:28:25.570 --> 00:28:27.799 accident, cause it was like raining. 00:28:27.870 --> 00:28:31.649 A couple of days after that, and the places where it was raining, we got a 00:28:31.649 --> 00:28:35.330 lot of nuclear waste in the ground and, you know, it sticks around a long time. 00:28:35.489 --> 00:28:36.060 No kidding. 00:28:36.129 --> 00:28:39.659 So, uh, it's, it's been affecting the bores a little bit as well. 00:28:40.229 --> 00:28:40.340 Wow. 00:28:40.879 --> 00:28:41.009 Yeah. 00:28:41.009 --> 00:28:41.169 Wouldn't 00:28:41.169 --> 00:28:41.860 Travis Bader: have thought of that. 00:28:42.360 --> 00:28:42.579 Yeah. 00:28:42.579 --> 00:28:44.969 That's going back quite some time, but it's, um. 00:28:45.099 --> 00:28:45.489 Yeah. 00:28:45.569 --> 00:28:46.799 It's like in the 80s sometimes. 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:47.139 Yeah. 00:28:47.190 --> 00:28:47.409 Yeah. 00:28:48.330 --> 00:28:49.939 What was the other thing that kind of stuck out? 00:28:50.090 --> 00:28:52.959 Uh, so we will get a, a tag. 00:28:53.090 --> 00:28:55.990 We get our hunting license and then once we have our license, 00:28:55.990 --> 00:28:57.020 they say, what do you want to hunt? 00:28:57.110 --> 00:29:00.000 Oh, I want to hunt moose or I want to hunt a whitetail. 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:06.060 And so you go buy your tags, harvest an animal, it's confirmed, it's down, 00:29:06.100 --> 00:29:10.150 you're there, you notch your tag or you cut it out the day, the location. 00:29:10.529 --> 00:29:14.784 And that's just one of the ways that they're able to track the animals. 00:29:15.034 --> 00:29:17.754 Say that you're a lawful hunter, you're not a poacher. 00:29:18.044 --> 00:29:22.114 So you've got your animal, you've got, uh, your tag notched and the 00:29:22.175 --> 00:29:26.814 conservation officer happens to pull you over or stop you to talk to you, 00:29:27.244 --> 00:29:32.014 you show them your paperwork and say, Hey, proper animal, close my paperwork. 00:29:32.014 --> 00:29:34.524 So it's not like I'm going to be going out and getting more, I'm not going to sneak 00:29:34.524 --> 00:29:38.379 this thing home real quick and then run out and say, I've got a clean tag, right? 00:29:38.709 --> 00:29:40.050 Here, you guys don't have that. 00:29:40.050 --> 00:29:42.860 In fact, you don't even really have conservation officers 00:29:42.860 --> 00:29:44.050 out there pulling people 00:29:44.050 --> 00:29:44.409 Robin Winther: over. 00:29:44.679 --> 00:29:46.199 No, I think that's interesting. 00:29:46.199 --> 00:29:50.590 Cause like, it feels like you guys, you have a lot of responsibility and, uh, 00:29:50.959 --> 00:29:57.625 that responsibility in Sweden is usually put to, I think, One person, the hunting 00:29:57.625 --> 00:30:03.695 leader, so for example, I'm in a hunting team close to Stockholm and the hunter 00:30:04.275 --> 00:30:09.195 leader, the leader of the, of the team, he has to report to, to the government 00:30:09.205 --> 00:30:13.575 and he's the guy keeping track on how many animals, but there's no officers out 00:30:13.575 --> 00:30:18.695 there checking out and like making sure everything is, so he's just responsible. 00:30:18.715 --> 00:30:23.495 So, okay, we get to shoot 10 roe deers and then he keeps track of it. 00:30:23.800 --> 00:30:28.710 And then he fills in, and we can see like if it's, it's usually bigger 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:33.890 areas, so we have a couple of hunting teams around there, and for example 00:30:33.890 --> 00:30:40.210 we can shoot five moose, and um, if the, the, the hunting team Next 00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:42.260 us to us shoots those five moves. 00:30:42.260 --> 00:30:42.900 We can't do it. 00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.820 So it's a little bit. 00:30:43.830 --> 00:30:46.250 We have to beat them to it 00:30:46.250 --> 00:30:49.010 Travis Bader: Well, it makes sense from a conservation standpoint, 00:30:49.040 --> 00:30:51.740 but you know exactly what's coming out of a certain area 00:30:51.780 --> 00:30:57.605 Robin Winther: yeah, it's pretty easy to keep track of the population and It knows 00:30:57.615 --> 00:30:59.585 how much we'll get for next year and. 00:31:00.255 --> 00:31:03.045 But it's all also kind of honor system too. 00:31:03.205 --> 00:31:04.155 It's a lot of the honor system. 00:31:04.155 --> 00:31:04.475 Yeah. 00:31:04.565 --> 00:31:08.705 Cause like they fill in, they had to fill in the right amount and yeah. 00:31:08.705 --> 00:31:09.424 Yeah. 00:31:09.605 --> 00:31:10.835 If they wanted to, they could totally 00:31:10.835 --> 00:31:12.385 Travis Bader: lie and get away with it. 00:31:12.515 --> 00:31:12.995 Absolutely. 00:31:13.005 --> 00:31:14.565 But it doesn't seem to really. 00:31:14.735 --> 00:31:17.315 be a thing that you guys do here. 00:31:17.315 --> 00:31:19.555 You don't have to worry about people like people will break 00:31:19.555 --> 00:31:20.575 the rules wherever you go. 00:31:20.635 --> 00:31:21.105 Of course. 00:31:21.105 --> 00:31:21.345 Yeah. 00:31:21.345 --> 00:31:21.995 There's always 00:31:22.165 --> 00:31:22.485 Robin Winther: going to be 00:31:22.585 --> 00:31:23.455 Travis Bader: vultures. 00:31:23.555 --> 00:31:24.175 Yeah. 00:31:24.355 --> 00:31:28.535 But, but there's a, sort of a culture here in Sweden and I notice it. 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.470 In the hunting parties and how everyone's working together. 00:31:31.490 --> 00:31:34.380 There's a hive mind culture and I don't know a better way 00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:36.330 to put it than, than that. 00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:40.600 And, uh, we're like North America. 00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:44.490 We seem to be a culture that, uh, especially like in America, 00:31:45.050 --> 00:31:47.790 um, a culture of individuals. 00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:48.260 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:31:48.330 --> 00:31:48.630 Travis Bader: Right. 00:31:48.650 --> 00:31:52.400 Everyone's it's the I and the me and how do I stand out? 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:59.230 But that is really not prevalent in what I've seen in my stay so far in Sweden. 00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:02.010 Everyone had their own little tasks. 00:32:02.010 --> 00:32:03.260 They got their own little roles. 00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:04.540 Everyone just filled in and. 00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:05.910 They're helping out. 00:32:06.080 --> 00:32:07.270 Robin Winther: It's a lot of teamwork. 00:32:07.610 --> 00:32:09.270 I think it's the, like the way also we hunt. 00:32:09.280 --> 00:32:13.500 So we have to, uh, work together super hard. 00:32:13.500 --> 00:32:17.270 And I think it goes back so many generations that like these people 00:32:17.270 --> 00:32:20.440 learned from their dad, it learns from their dad and the same kind of hunting 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.790 with dogs, yeah, we get more technology now, back in the day you release a dog 00:32:23.790 --> 00:32:28.280 and maybe same day the dog will be back, you know, the dog could be back one 00:32:28.280 --> 00:32:31.880 week later, you don't know, but now we can keep track of that, but it's still 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.500 kind of the same hunting, I think. 00:32:34.100 --> 00:32:38.890 So, um, everyone has to have their task, you have these people with dogs, 00:32:38.890 --> 00:32:42.820 people staying there and we all help out, pull out the animal from the 00:32:42.820 --> 00:32:48.480 forest and like, it's just, um, it's, it's a nice teamwork, and everyone has 00:32:48.530 --> 00:32:50.119 their own little task in, in the game. 00:32:50.490 --> 00:32:50.920 No way. 00:32:51.020 --> 00:32:56.040 Travis Bader: Then we go back and grab the animal at the barn, hot dogs, and, 00:32:56.170 --> 00:32:59.970 and, uh, uh, what was that one called? 00:32:59.970 --> 00:33:00.880 Uh, Moramist? 00:33:01.430 --> 00:33:01.970 Robin Winther: Oh, yeah. 00:33:02.850 --> 00:33:05.020 How about some, like, local sodas and stuff? 00:33:05.020 --> 00:33:05.400 Yeah, yeah. 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.650 Yeah, it's a lot about that. 00:33:07.650 --> 00:33:10.670 You know, we have, uh, usually, when we do the Moose Hunt here in Sweden, 00:33:10.970 --> 00:33:12.910 everyone takes a week off work. 00:33:13.105 --> 00:33:16.365 And, you know, it's been that for all years. 00:33:16.375 --> 00:33:19.595 So the kids in school is like, Oh no, my dad's on a moose hunt this year. 00:33:19.595 --> 00:33:23.525 So I had to be home, you know, it's been like part of the culture so long. 00:33:23.525 --> 00:33:27.545 So they, we get assigned the amount of moose we can shoot for the area. 00:33:28.345 --> 00:33:31.425 And then we all take a week off and we go out. 00:33:31.785 --> 00:33:37.155 And we hunt, uh, and just stay in a small little cabin or camping or 00:33:37.175 --> 00:33:38.975 whatnot, you know, in this area. 00:33:39.035 --> 00:33:42.605 And just full focus on the hunt for, uh, a week. 00:33:42.645 --> 00:33:43.635 And it's also with dogs. 00:33:43.645 --> 00:33:47.665 So we have a, a moose dogs that we call them and just go for it. 00:33:47.715 --> 00:33:48.665 Travis Bader: And it's so effective. 00:33:48.715 --> 00:33:54.005 I mean, when I was coming up from the, uh, Norma factory and Jonas, he 00:33:54.005 --> 00:33:56.205 says, he's going out hunting in these. 00:33:56.705 --> 00:33:58.035 I'm going to have to break the curse. 00:33:58.045 --> 00:34:00.735 He hasn't got an animal himself in a couple of years now. 00:34:00.735 --> 00:34:03.665 And anyways, he's like, send pictures. 00:34:03.835 --> 00:34:05.475 If you get something, you got to send a picture. 00:34:05.475 --> 00:34:10.575 So anyways, with the, um, the red deer down, picture of 00:34:10.585 --> 00:34:11.535 the heart goes over to him. 00:34:11.535 --> 00:34:12.775 And he's like, Oh, great delicacy. 00:34:13.125 --> 00:34:14.195 And he doesn't say anything else. 00:34:14.195 --> 00:34:19.035 I'm like, okay, am I, maybe, maybe they're not getting anything in their area. 00:34:19.035 --> 00:34:20.395 And I said, well, how are you doing? 00:34:20.835 --> 00:34:23.075 And he says, Oh, we had to stop on day one. 00:34:23.115 --> 00:34:23.835 We got four. 00:34:24.095 --> 00:34:27.795 And, uh, but he's like, I didn't get anything, but our hunting party did. 00:34:27.855 --> 00:34:28.125 Yeah. 00:34:28.125 --> 00:34:28.194 Yeah. 00:34:28.825 --> 00:34:35.435 Like that's unheard of, really, in, in BC to go out in one day, your hunting 00:34:35.435 --> 00:34:38.695 party has got their four animals and okay, we'll just stop and come back. 00:34:38.825 --> 00:34:39.165 Yeah. 00:34:39.605 --> 00:34:40.875 Um, so the, the 00:34:40.875 --> 00:34:42.315 Robin Winther: dogs are pretty darn effective. 00:34:42.335 --> 00:34:42.905 It is. 00:34:43.015 --> 00:34:47.355 So we're, when we're out here in Stockholm, the, the ground, like 00:34:47.375 --> 00:34:49.445 the area we hunt are way smaller. 00:34:49.835 --> 00:34:55.985 But it's a lot more animals in a smaller area down here than compared to, we 00:34:55.985 --> 00:34:57.675 were up there in Norfolk, Sweden. 00:34:58.095 --> 00:35:05.275 So I think we're hunting down here on, um, 1500 acres or something and 00:35:05.285 --> 00:35:10.475 up there it's, uh, 200, 000 acres or like, it's, it's, it's like not 00:35:12.155 --> 00:35:19.650 around like hundreds, like so, so much land, you know, and, um, We can go out 00:35:19.670 --> 00:35:21.370 and we can easily have four animals. 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.930 Like we go out on a Saturday and we have four animals by lunch. 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.920 Travis Bader: And then went out and did a, uh, did a fox hunt. 00:35:29.190 --> 00:35:29.480 Yeah. 00:35:29.620 --> 00:35:30.460 That was pretty cool. 00:35:31.470 --> 00:35:35.690 What I thought was the coolest, and I don't know, maybe it's just me, but 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.370 like, I've never done a fox hunt before. 00:35:38.380 --> 00:35:44.270 I thought it was cool that I'm standing on top of these boulders and this rock 00:35:44.270 --> 00:35:47.070 pile that's like Viking times set up. 00:35:47.620 --> 00:35:53.740 And there's a Frisbee golf right, right beside me and dogs are doing their thing. 00:35:53.740 --> 00:35:58.780 It's like, when you talk about the history in, in that area, um, 00:35:59.870 --> 00:36:04.340 you're going back hundreds and hundreds and you're going way back. 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:04.830 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:36:04.830 --> 00:36:09.035 So that area has like a lot Viking graves and, and, and stuff like that. 00:36:09.035 --> 00:36:12.265 And you just stand on this old piles of stone. 00:36:12.265 --> 00:36:15.975 There's like an old grave and there's like a Frisbee golf there and then 00:36:15.975 --> 00:36:19.075 we have a dog and we're standing there with a shotgun and there's 00:36:19.075 --> 00:36:22.765 like houses around us and I don't know, it's, it's so, I like it. 00:36:22.885 --> 00:36:23.075 Yeah. 00:36:23.075 --> 00:36:25.005 It's an interesting area to hunt in, I think. 00:36:25.155 --> 00:36:25.615 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:36:26.065 --> 00:36:31.455 So I guess that covers a few of the differences and, and coming into it, 00:36:31.465 --> 00:36:34.755 like obviously not everyone's going to be coming over into Sweden and being able 00:36:34.755 --> 00:36:36.495 to have an experience like that, because. 00:36:37.230 --> 00:36:41.160 Uh, you can't just show up and start expecting to be able to hunt. 00:36:41.230 --> 00:36:45.170 I'm really grateful for you and for everybody there, the whole team 00:36:45.170 --> 00:36:49.880 for, uh, taking us in and showing me and my wife how you guys do things. 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:51.140 It was, it was so cool. 00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:51.690 To 00:36:51.690 --> 00:36:52.910 Robin Winther: have you guys, it was a lot of fun. 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:54.110 And yeah, you did, 00:36:54.190 --> 00:36:54.780 Travis Bader: you did great. 00:36:55.100 --> 00:36:56.180 Well, I appreciate that. 00:36:56.630 --> 00:36:59.190 Looking forward to when you're over in BC, cause that'll be cool. 00:36:59.240 --> 00:36:59.800 We'll, uh. 00:37:00.145 --> 00:37:04.205 Even though it's just going to be for a small game and migratory so fun. 00:37:04.235 --> 00:37:05.345 Yeah, I'm excited. 00:37:05.385 --> 00:37:09.385 I'm excited So tell me about how do how does a guy from Sweden 00:37:09.445 --> 00:37:11.295 get into the country music scene? 00:37:11.295 --> 00:37:12.214 I forget 00:37:13.395 --> 00:37:15.605 Robin Winther: as I mentioned before it's always been a lot 00:37:15.605 --> 00:37:16.855 of music around my family. 00:37:16.895 --> 00:37:23.245 Yeah, and My dad's playing guitar and even no one has really done it professionally, 00:37:23.275 --> 00:37:30.135 but it's been My dad lived in Nashville, uh, he moved there with his brother in the 00:37:30.135 --> 00:37:38.395 70s, and, like, saw Johnny Cash, and he went to college there, um, he was born in 00:37:38.395 --> 00:37:46.685 the 50s, my dad, and, uh, came back, and, like, filled with this musical experience. 00:37:47.300 --> 00:37:52.430 So him and his brother has always been doing music and a lot of blues, a lot of 00:37:52.430 --> 00:37:59.480 folk, Americana stuff, like a lot of Bob Dylan and also, and also the blues stuff. 00:38:00.040 --> 00:38:05.280 So I think I got that pretty early on, uh, doing music with the, like I got the 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.830 old school and, and as soon as I started playing guitar, I think it was, yeah. 00:38:09.110 --> 00:38:11.930 15 or 14, something like that. 00:38:12.200 --> 00:38:13.300 It just took off for me. 00:38:13.310 --> 00:38:15.680 It was like, okay, this is, this is what I gotta do. 00:38:15.750 --> 00:38:16.110 Yeah. 00:38:16.160 --> 00:38:19.490 You know, it's like I quit trombone and start playing guitar. 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:21.960 Travis Bader: Put the trombone down, son. 00:38:21.970 --> 00:38:23.320 Let's get you an instrument that. 00:38:23.330 --> 00:38:23.340 I 00:38:23.520 --> 00:38:24.630 Robin Winther: haven't picked it up since. 00:38:25.950 --> 00:38:26.460 Travis Bader: I love it. 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:26.630 Yeah. 00:38:27.070 --> 00:38:30.220 Come in here, your recording studio is all decked out. 00:38:30.220 --> 00:38:34.160 And you got Marty Robbins going on the, um, on the vinyl. 00:38:34.160 --> 00:38:37.360 And I love Marty Robbins, grew up listening to his stuff. 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.780 I always loved the Ballad of the Alamo cause they had Colonel Travis in that one. 00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:43.370 And as a kid, that was, that was pretty cool to me. 00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:44.950 Awesome artist. 00:38:44.980 --> 00:38:46.050 Yeah, totally. 00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.660 But, um, and so you went down to Nashville yourself. 00:38:50.545 --> 00:38:53.485 Robin Winther: Yeah, I did um, like I always want to go there. 00:38:53.555 --> 00:38:53.805 Yeah. 00:38:53.925 --> 00:38:55.465 Heart of country music. 00:38:55.905 --> 00:39:02.205 So, uh, I was Visiting a friend who was, my cousin actually went to Harvard. 00:39:02.565 --> 00:39:02.845 Okay. 00:39:02.855 --> 00:39:05.735 He got a scholarship and went to Harvard and I went to Boston. 00:39:05.755 --> 00:39:06.675 I was like, oh, I got it. 00:39:07.175 --> 00:39:09.235 Yeah I have a little more time off. 00:39:09.685 --> 00:39:11.115 So I might just do Nashville now. 00:39:11.115 --> 00:39:15.805 So I flew down to Nashville I think I spent two weeks in Nashville out 00:39:15.805 --> 00:39:20.205 seeing music every night and just like consuming this Transcribed 00:39:21.910 --> 00:39:23.920 Amazing musical atmosphere. 00:39:23.980 --> 00:39:24.490 Yeah, sir. 00:39:24.490 --> 00:39:25.590 For everyone who's been in Nashville. 00:39:25.590 --> 00:39:28.970 It's now it's called Nash Vegas. 00:39:28.970 --> 00:39:36.560 It's a lot of A lot of music a lot of partying and just like a fun time Yeah, 00:39:36.590 --> 00:39:44.820 it's a really cool city and I was there just pre corona and I remember I was 00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:48.490 thinking, because I've been doing music and production for a long time and 00:39:48.630 --> 00:39:53.440 doing some pop music and it's a little competitive, the pop scene, I think, I 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.890 came down there and I was a little curious on how, because it's so many musicians 00:39:56.890 --> 00:40:02.140 in Nashville, so many people do music and like, like, how's the competition here? 00:40:02.630 --> 00:40:07.760 Aren't you like, like, elbowing your way through? 00:40:07.770 --> 00:40:08.120 Right. 00:40:08.190 --> 00:40:09.620 How does it work here? 00:40:09.620 --> 00:40:14.220 You know, and I was going with this guy in an Uber who was a drummer. 00:40:14.445 --> 00:40:15.145 On broadway. 00:40:15.285 --> 00:40:22.935 Yeah, and he's like, no, no, the vibe here is like you want because 00:40:23.055 --> 00:40:27.235 country is still a bit of an underdog compared to pop music. 00:40:27.275 --> 00:40:27.595 Sure. 00:40:27.745 --> 00:40:30.825 So you want the other people to succeed. 00:40:30.835 --> 00:40:32.545 You don't want the other musicians to succeed. 00:40:32.545 --> 00:40:36.765 So we really have this, uh, Feeling of like togetherness. 00:40:36.795 --> 00:40:36.825 Mm. 00:40:37.395 --> 00:40:41.115 And so he said, if you only have three things, like you have to know your 00:40:41.115 --> 00:40:43.825 stuff, you have to have your own stuff. 00:40:43.830 --> 00:40:45.475 And you have to be a nice guy to be with. 00:40:46.375 --> 00:40:46.405 Mm. 00:40:46.405 --> 00:40:47.005 They have to like you. 00:40:47.095 --> 00:40:47.425 Yeah. 00:40:47.425 --> 00:40:51.205 If you, if you do all those three, you, you will have a wonderful time 00:40:51.205 --> 00:40:55.195 and you will like, it will, people will wanna help you and support you. 00:40:56.300 --> 00:40:59.310 Travis Bader: So I read, and you said that in an article before, 00:40:59.310 --> 00:41:00.830 cause you ended up winning an award. 00:41:00.830 --> 00:41:04.930 I forget, usually I've got my phone to refer to these things, but we're using 00:41:05.290 --> 00:41:06.990 phones to, uh, to record this one. 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:12.580 But you, uh, had won an up and coming, um, country music star 00:41:12.580 --> 00:41:15.910 award, or there's something else that you had won, but I remember 00:41:16.290 --> 00:41:18.330 reading about the competition thing. 00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:22.180 And I, that struck a chord with me because we see that too. 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:22.870 And. 00:41:23.230 --> 00:41:26.200 In the gun community, in the outdoors community. 00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:26.500 Yeah. 00:41:27.030 --> 00:41:32.400 Um, and who was it that said, uh, people at the bottom compete, 00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:34.450 people at the top collaborate. 00:41:34.670 --> 00:41:34.960 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:41:35.080 --> 00:41:37.360 Travis Bader: And that always stuck with me. 00:41:37.470 --> 00:41:37.830 Yeah. 00:41:37.870 --> 00:41:44.100 Because if you, if you want to have the biggest tower around, There's 00:41:44.100 --> 00:41:45.350 a couple of ways you can do that. 00:41:45.600 --> 00:41:49.740 You can build the biggest tower, which takes a lot of time, energy, and work. 00:41:49.770 --> 00:41:53.700 And you're going to be working with people who know how to build towers 00:41:53.700 --> 00:41:56.950 and do the plumbing and do the electrical and they're, they're going 00:41:56.950 --> 00:42:02.590 to be employed and you're all working together as a team and everyone can 00:42:02.590 --> 00:42:06.110 then turn around and look at, people can drive by years later and say, show 00:42:06.110 --> 00:42:07.570 their kids, see that tower over there. 00:42:07.870 --> 00:42:08.730 I helped build that. 00:42:08.730 --> 00:42:08.920 Right. 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:09.110 Yeah. 00:42:09.110 --> 00:42:09.299 Yeah. 00:42:09.790 --> 00:42:12.420 Or you can tear everyone else's tower down and then you've 00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:13.550 got the big, biggest tower. 00:42:14.010 --> 00:42:21.980 So often I find that in these areas with a low barrier to entry industry and high 00:42:21.980 --> 00:42:28.420 competitive levels, people's competitive nature will get ahead of them and they'll 00:42:28.420 --> 00:42:32.530 start tearing down other people's towers to try and make theirs look bigger. 00:42:32.590 --> 00:42:32.720 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:42:33.515 --> 00:42:34.805 Travis Bader: Is that what you're finding 00:42:34.815 --> 00:42:38.855 Robin Winther: in other areas a little bit, you know, music is it's 00:42:38.855 --> 00:42:43.395 a hard business in a lot of ways You know, it's it's subjective. 00:42:43.395 --> 00:42:45.195 So like what do you like it or not? 00:42:45.205 --> 00:42:49.895 It's like always up to the person Consuming it so it's always hard to 00:42:49.905 --> 00:42:54.475 compete in music and like you see people something blowing up on tick tock Oh, 00:42:54.765 --> 00:42:59.345 yeah, it gets super popular and it's like it's easy to get like a little jealous 00:42:59.345 --> 00:43:02.880 and like I've been doing You Music for a long time and you don't you want to 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:09.430 be heard and stuff But I think it's so important to keep reminding yourself that 00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:16.520 like everyone you're doing your thing Mmm, like I think that like comparing 00:43:17.575 --> 00:43:23.015 Yourself to others success is like start of a downfall, you know You have to 00:43:23.025 --> 00:43:29.555 you have to like feel good about your thing like what you do and then just 00:43:29.765 --> 00:43:38.485 keep Reminding yourself that like well, I'm doing my thing and if people enjoy 00:43:38.765 --> 00:43:44.090 My thing they can they will continue with my journey now build organic Fans 00:43:44.090 --> 00:43:46.510 or if you have a business or whatever. 00:43:46.510 --> 00:43:48.580 So just like keep being true. 00:43:48.680 --> 00:43:53.440 I think it's the key and just keep like Reminding yourself 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:54.830 that you're doing your thing. 00:43:55.090 --> 00:43:59.700 Yeah, and you don't compete with other stuff Really like you compete 00:43:59.700 --> 00:44:02.700 in some ways, you know, you want so you don't want to make money of it 00:44:02.720 --> 00:44:07.030 But like if consistency and doing your own thing, I think it's the key 00:44:07.090 --> 00:44:08.340 and you will succeed with anything 00:44:09.085 --> 00:44:12.205 Travis Bader: If they say comparison is the thief of joy, 00:44:12.265 --> 00:44:13.675 Robin Winther: that's the word that I was looking for. 00:44:13.675 --> 00:44:13.885 Yeah. 00:44:14.155 --> 00:44:17.575 Cause I remember when I was in Nashville, I, I had a friend there. 00:44:17.575 --> 00:44:20.005 He was guitarist for Tracy Lawrence at the time. 00:44:20.785 --> 00:44:22.255 Swedish guy, great guitarist. 00:44:22.305 --> 00:44:22.575 Yeah. 00:44:22.685 --> 00:44:27.625 Um, we went to see the time jumpers. 00:44:28.215 --> 00:44:29.865 With Vince Gill. 00:44:30.155 --> 00:44:34.855 I was playing with them at the time and he knew Vince Gill a little bit So after 00:44:34.855 --> 00:44:39.905 the show Vince Gill was there and he was like taking like rolling his cables 00:44:39.945 --> 00:44:46.705 putting back his pedal board and and We went up and we talked to him super 00:44:46.705 --> 00:44:51.195 nice guy and I was thanking him for the show and like telling him like what a 00:44:51.195 --> 00:44:56.355 good inspiration, well a big inspiration It's been to me and he was like, oh so 00:44:56.355 --> 00:45:01.360 nice So tell me about your music and he was just like Keep asking me questions, 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.160 and I was like, ah, ah, ah, nobody. 00:45:03.530 --> 00:45:05.110 Like, you're a guy, you're playing with the Eagles. 00:45:05.130 --> 00:45:09.410 You have like, 40 Grammys, and you're like, selling out Ryman Auditorium the day 00:45:09.410 --> 00:45:13.430 after, and here you go, rolling cables and wanting to know everything about my music. 00:45:13.470 --> 00:45:13.880 Mm hmm. 00:45:14.150 --> 00:45:17.040 And, and I thought I was so inspiring at that level. 00:45:17.725 --> 00:45:22.015 And just, as you said, like the top tier, like they're collaborating 00:45:22.035 --> 00:45:26.535 and he was just interested or genuinely interested in a nice guy. 00:45:26.815 --> 00:45:31.065 Travis Bader: Yeah, because that keeps you fired when you see other people doing well 00:45:31.335 --> 00:45:36.785 and you're able to experience that with them or experience that same kind of joy. 00:45:37.240 --> 00:45:41.910 Or if you're even able to help contribute just a little bit to their success path. 00:45:42.020 --> 00:45:45.560 If it's, well, I know a person, they might be a good contact for you. 00:45:45.560 --> 00:45:46.380 I'll introduce you. 00:45:46.380 --> 00:45:46.700 Right. 00:45:46.950 --> 00:45:47.710 It's amazing. 00:45:47.710 --> 00:45:48.870 Those little things that happen. 00:45:49.410 --> 00:45:53.000 It's not that person to me, the connection or the, the reference, they, 00:45:53.060 --> 00:45:56.550 they can't take any level of credit for your success, but they can feel. 00:45:56.945 --> 00:46:03.215 The same excitement and, um, that, that passion and what it is you 00:46:03.215 --> 00:46:06.315 do, I think when people start really getting hypercompetitive, 00:46:06.315 --> 00:46:08.075 it kills the passion for it. 00:46:08.085 --> 00:46:09.725 So fast, so fast. 00:46:10.005 --> 00:46:16.235 It's, if you make money, your primary motivator, you're always 00:46:16.245 --> 00:46:17.195 going to be behind the money. 00:46:17.485 --> 00:46:18.255 I think so too. 00:46:18.335 --> 00:46:22.775 If you make fame, your primary motivator, you're always going to be behind the fame. 00:46:23.295 --> 00:46:24.575 You're always going to be chasing it. 00:46:24.575 --> 00:46:28.735 Just like if you make happiness, your primary motivator, I want to be happy. 00:46:29.185 --> 00:46:30.495 You're never going to be happy. 00:46:30.525 --> 00:46:33.875 No, you're, you're always going to presuppose the fact that you're not 00:46:33.875 --> 00:46:38.515 happy and you're working towards trying to be happy when all these 00:46:38.525 --> 00:46:41.775 happy moments are happening to you and you're still looking ahead and 00:46:41.775 --> 00:46:42.765 saying, when's this going to happen? 00:46:42.775 --> 00:46:43.865 When am I going to be happy? 00:46:44.425 --> 00:46:50.255 Um, I think that same thing goes for, I know in my, it goes for everything. 00:46:50.585 --> 00:46:50.785 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:46:50.785 --> 00:46:50.985 Yeah. 00:46:50.985 --> 00:46:51.785 It's not music. 00:46:51.785 --> 00:46:56.335 It's like running a business or, or, or whatever, you know, it 00:46:56.345 --> 00:46:57.655 goes to get in everything you do. 00:46:58.175 --> 00:46:58.685 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:46:58.775 --> 00:47:04.315 I, I mean, uh, for me in business, my biggest joy is the creation part of it. 00:47:04.405 --> 00:47:04.675 Yeah. 00:47:05.445 --> 00:47:07.485 Um, sustaining certain things. 00:47:08.495 --> 00:47:12.765 My A DHD kicks in and I, I love doing the business. 00:47:12.795 --> 00:47:13.065 Yeah. 00:47:13.245 --> 00:47:17.625 But actually creating different parts of it is we're really fuels me. 00:47:17.625 --> 00:47:20.465 And when I see other people and they're building business, I 00:47:20.465 --> 00:47:22.235 get fueled and excited for them. 00:47:22.235 --> 00:47:25.415 And I'll say, look, you can tell me to shut up whenever, but I've got 00:47:25.415 --> 00:47:27.905 1,001 ideas and the different things. 00:47:28.540 --> 00:47:30.780 I'll keep spewing it out until you say stop, right? 00:47:31.390 --> 00:47:35.270 And it looks like, to me anyways, that was the experience that you 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.610 had over in Nashville, that these other artists are like, Excited 00:47:38.610 --> 00:47:40.390 for you, genuinely excited for you. 00:47:40.390 --> 00:47:41.620 They want to see you succeed. 00:47:41.680 --> 00:47:42.040 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:47:42.770 --> 00:47:47.620 And I thought I was so inspiring, you know, being there and, and, uh, loving 00:47:47.620 --> 00:47:52.500 country music since I was a kid growing up with it and being there and meeting 00:47:53.500 --> 00:47:59.430 these like biggest stars, uh, and like feel the warmth and the community. 00:47:59.710 --> 00:48:01.340 I don't know, it was really inspiring. 00:48:01.350 --> 00:48:04.810 So I've been working behind the scenes a lot before. 00:48:04.810 --> 00:48:10.620 I've been as a producer and also been out playing music as well, but not 00:48:11.395 --> 00:48:13.765 Like putting out my own music, really. 00:48:13.765 --> 00:48:15.805 You know, you're always like, I'm going to do it one day. 00:48:15.925 --> 00:48:18.105 I'll, I'll start releasing my own stuff. 00:48:18.115 --> 00:48:21.035 It's like, I've been writing songs for one day, right? 00:48:21.045 --> 00:48:21.855 One day. 00:48:21.895 --> 00:48:27.235 And then COVID came and I was like, fuel up with this Nashville trip. 00:48:27.315 --> 00:48:29.165 I was like, well, you know, this day is today. 00:48:29.525 --> 00:48:30.565 That was a push COVID. 00:48:30.695 --> 00:48:35.485 It was a little bit, you know I lost a couple like jobs and like the clients and 00:48:35.495 --> 00:48:40.335 you couldn't go out playing So I was doing like cover shows and stuff as a front man. 00:48:40.335 --> 00:48:42.915 It was a lot of fun So I get like I had all the experience of being on 00:48:42.915 --> 00:48:46.415 stage all the time and playing for people So I was like, all right, 00:48:47.145 --> 00:48:52.520 I'll do it So I wrote my first single, and, uh, the rest is history. 00:48:53.330 --> 00:48:55.560 Travis Bader: So does that fuel you, like, when you're out there on 00:48:55.560 --> 00:49:00.050 stage, do you love being the star of, center of attention, out in the 00:49:00.050 --> 00:49:03.280 crowds, dealing with everyone, or does that feel kind of, like, surreal? 00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.080 Do you put on a different sort of, a persona? 00:49:07.770 --> 00:49:10.330 Robin Winther: Um, no, not really. 00:49:10.410 --> 00:49:13.830 I think that's with the, with the experience I've got playing 00:49:13.940 --> 00:49:21.980 like corporate parties and, and weddings and all those stuff before. 00:49:22.310 --> 00:49:25.670 So when I was doing my own thing, I was just like, I'm just going to be 00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:29.410 as, you know, real as I can, you know? 00:49:29.450 --> 00:49:31.244 And I was thought that. 00:49:31.425 --> 00:49:33.065 It's the funniest things to watch. 00:49:33.065 --> 00:49:38.785 Like, if I'm playing a venue, I don't like to prepare stuff. 00:49:38.795 --> 00:49:43.525 I go out and I'm like looking out and like I'm seeing someone with a funny 00:49:43.525 --> 00:49:48.595 hat and I'll say something or like I just like trying to take in the moment. 00:49:48.605 --> 00:49:50.955 I think that's the best way of doing it. 00:49:50.965 --> 00:49:53.365 Like if you're having a presentation or something. 00:49:53.910 --> 00:49:57.840 Like, you learn, you read it, you practice so much, you go out and you think about 00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:59.610 these things and you're not present there. 00:50:00.030 --> 00:50:02.670 Like, it's good to know, you have to know all this, so you, I know the 00:50:02.670 --> 00:50:04.900 songs and I know what, like, works. 00:50:04.980 --> 00:50:05.496 That's a good point. 00:50:05.496 --> 00:50:09.260 But you go, you go out, you just go out and you observe. 00:50:09.300 --> 00:50:11.890 You take in the room, like, what are, what are the people here? 00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:12.590 What do they want? 00:50:12.670 --> 00:50:13.730 What are they thinking about? 00:50:13.740 --> 00:50:16.470 What is like, what are their expectations? 00:50:16.805 --> 00:50:22.595 And then you work from there and you just being calm and and then that I think is 00:50:22.635 --> 00:50:27.115 the best shows because then if I'm calm the audience will be calm and then they 00:50:27.115 --> 00:50:31.865 will be, be, um, able to take in my music. 00:50:31.945 --> 00:50:32.255 Right. 00:50:32.285 --> 00:50:36.325 Like the worst thing is like you see this artist that's super nervous 00:50:36.355 --> 00:50:39.789 and like, and you feel nervous like, oh, this is, this is crazy. 00:50:39.950 --> 00:50:42.650 This is not feeling very good, and you think about that, you don't 00:50:42.650 --> 00:50:45.680 think about the music, and you just want this guy to be calm and feel 00:50:45.700 --> 00:50:48.080 good about being on stage, you know? 00:50:48.100 --> 00:50:51.800 But if you see this relaxed person on stage, just like taking in the 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:55.295 room, joking a little bit, something happening, someone, Walks in and 00:50:55.305 --> 00:50:58.005 someone screams something and you just make a joke out of that. 00:50:58.005 --> 00:51:02.835 Like, I think that, that's, I think that's, um, also a good way 00:51:02.835 --> 00:51:04.165 of thinking of being on stage. 00:51:04.235 --> 00:51:10.635 For me, it's not so much about being the center of attention, like, fueled 00:51:10.645 --> 00:51:16.645 by this, but I guess fueled by the moment of just playing my songs. 00:51:16.645 --> 00:51:23.695 I think that's like, I do, and I love, I love I think that's the most joy I get is 00:51:23.705 --> 00:51:28.765 when we play together a song and I notice, I feel like, oh, this is, this is good. 00:51:28.945 --> 00:51:29.545 Sounds good. 00:51:29.645 --> 00:51:30.295 I like this. 00:51:30.315 --> 00:51:34.615 And like the whole band, I feel what this guy is playing and everyone, you know, 00:51:35.535 --> 00:51:40.665 works like this together and the audience is calm taking it in and you're doing 00:51:40.665 --> 00:51:42.305 something with everyone in the room. 00:51:42.335 --> 00:51:44.335 So everyone is just feeling this. 00:51:44.990 --> 00:51:49.100 Feeling of joy and the music and the flow state in, in a way. 00:51:49.100 --> 00:51:49.730 Yeah. 00:51:49.790 --> 00:51:55.420 So I think that that is the, that is what drives my music passion and 00:51:55.420 --> 00:51:57.880 like wanting me to keep doing this. 00:51:57.880 --> 00:51:58.330 I think 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:01.480 Travis Bader: that is cool in the intelligence community and the 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:06.340 security sectors, uh, they'll refer to that as establishing a baseline. 00:52:06.610 --> 00:52:06.820 Yeah. 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.640 They'll go in, they'll be the gray man. 00:52:10.065 --> 00:52:13.535 They'll look around and they'll see how everything else out is, uh, 00:52:13.535 --> 00:52:16.305 is acting and then they'll find, okay, how do we work together? 00:52:16.435 --> 00:52:16.645 Yeah. 00:52:16.695 --> 00:52:18.605 And then the intelligence community, it'll be like, how do I. 00:52:19.210 --> 00:52:26.500 How do I, um, use this feeling and to be able to propel the community and 00:52:26.500 --> 00:52:28.330 everybody else to where I want it to be. 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:28.560 Right. 00:52:28.560 --> 00:52:28.860 Yeah. 00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:32.360 And you know, when I'm, when I teach, I do the same thing. 00:52:32.370 --> 00:52:35.560 Everyone comes in, I'll introduce myself to everybody as they come 00:52:35.560 --> 00:52:36.770 in and hey, how are you doing? 00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:37.930 Why are you taking this course? 00:52:37.930 --> 00:52:38.520 What's right. 00:52:39.070 --> 00:52:42.510 And I, and I'm, what I'm doing is I'm trying to get as much information 00:52:42.510 --> 00:52:44.130 as I can on every single person. 00:52:44.130 --> 00:52:44.180 Right. 00:52:44.620 --> 00:52:47.800 And get a quick read, like, okay, where's their ability level? 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:48.740 Where's their passion? 00:52:48.740 --> 00:52:49.570 What's their interest? 00:52:49.570 --> 00:52:50.300 What are they looking at? 00:52:50.820 --> 00:52:55.840 Then, um, uh, you know, when I'm training new instructors, I say, you 00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:01.340 know, one of the things that I find really helpful for me is get the class 00:53:01.340 --> 00:53:02.810 to introduce themselves one at a time. 00:53:02.810 --> 00:53:03.850 You kind of go around, right? 00:53:03.850 --> 00:53:04.700 So all of a sudden. 00:53:05.065 --> 00:53:08.675 Like as, as a performer, you take that spotlight that's shining on you 00:53:08.675 --> 00:53:11.395 and you turn it around and you're now shining it on the audience. 00:53:11.395 --> 00:53:11.535 Right. 00:53:12.335 --> 00:53:17.485 And all of that pressure of you having to perform is kind of off the 00:53:17.495 --> 00:53:21.045 audience or the class feels a bit of that pressure and then they feel 00:53:21.055 --> 00:53:24.135 good afterwards once and everyone starts to kind of mingle together. 00:53:24.135 --> 00:53:24.285 Right. 00:53:24.285 --> 00:53:24.734 And. 00:53:25.015 --> 00:53:30.385 So I found for me, that's a, uh, establishing that baseline, 00:53:30.735 --> 00:53:33.845 introducing, seeing where everybody's at and being able to turn that 00:53:33.845 --> 00:53:35.355 spotlight around is a big part. 00:53:35.355 --> 00:53:38.075 And all of a sudden, instead of people sitting there with their 00:53:38.075 --> 00:53:40.845 arms crossed and their legs crossed and they're sitting back in their 00:53:40.845 --> 00:53:42.355 chairs, like, okay, entertain me. 00:53:42.705 --> 00:53:42.825 Right. 00:53:42.825 --> 00:53:43.555 Like, what are you going to do? 00:53:43.605 --> 00:53:43.935 Right. 00:53:43.965 --> 00:53:44.225 Robin Winther: Yeah. 00:53:44.265 --> 00:53:45.095 That's the worst. 00:53:45.095 --> 00:53:45.435 Like, yeah. 00:53:45.910 --> 00:53:49.780 To perform for a person like that, it's, it's terrible. 00:53:49.830 --> 00:53:50.410 Yeah. 00:53:50.410 --> 00:53:51.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:53:51.160 --> 00:53:53.680 Like, you have to like, get under the skin on that person. 00:53:53.720 --> 00:53:54.230 That's right. 00:53:54.340 --> 00:53:54.580 Yeah. 00:53:54.580 --> 00:53:55.049 Push them. 00:53:55.050 --> 00:53:58.290 Yeah, and I think that's so important as a teacher. 00:53:58.450 --> 00:54:02.965 And, uh, I think myself, because I grew up, both my parents, Uh, I 00:54:02.985 --> 00:54:04.695 retired now, but they're both teachers. 00:54:04.695 --> 00:54:04.895 Right. 00:54:04.945 --> 00:54:06.325 I've been a teacher for 40 years. 00:54:07.285 --> 00:54:10.505 And I, and I remember when I was a kid, like, I'll never be a teacher. 00:54:10.585 --> 00:54:13.065 And the first job I got, I guess, was I got to be a teacher. 00:54:13.065 --> 00:54:14.724 Ha ha ha ha. 00:54:14.725 --> 00:54:19.025 And I got to work with kids and, and, and do that thing. 00:54:19.075 --> 00:54:24.420 And I think, like, as a teacher, I think you have to do the same thing. 00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:28.060 You have to, like, if someone is sitting here and like, okay, entertainment, right. 00:54:28.070 --> 00:54:30.020 People want to take it, like, then you're like, 00:54:32.050 --> 00:54:33.750 what does this person need? 00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:35.240 What, what's, what's the deal? 00:54:35.240 --> 00:54:36.910 You know, you have to think about that. 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:39.560 And you have to think that with an audience, if you're teaching or having 00:54:39.560 --> 00:54:43.110 a course or whatever, you know, you have to solve that first before you can. 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:48.070 Travis Bader: I see similarities because a lot of, uh, teachers they'll get up 00:54:48.070 --> 00:54:51.655 and they'll be like, I'm really smart, I know my stuff, I'm going to show you 00:54:51.655 --> 00:54:55.335 how smart I am, and I know you're not as smart as me, but we'll get you kind of, 00:54:55.875 --> 00:55:01.185 uh, and I'll, I'll, you know, strokes my ego a little bit, and, and it's 00:55:01.185 --> 00:55:05.155 important to have ego, you should have some sort of personal pride, and, but, 00:55:05.155 --> 00:55:08.010 um, As a teacher, I put the class first. 00:55:08.020 --> 00:55:10.290 My job is to get them from point A to point B. 00:55:10.300 --> 00:55:13.630 How do I get them from here to a point where they're comfortable, confident, 00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:18.190 uh, proficient and safe and whatever it is that they're going to be doing. 00:55:18.330 --> 00:55:22.290 And I'll treat the entire class as if it's one individual, essentially with a bunch 00:55:22.290 --> 00:55:27.190 of personalities and questions and, and how do I steer it from point A to point B? 00:55:27.260 --> 00:55:28.050 I got to wonder. 00:55:28.635 --> 00:55:34.855 If I had just like a modicum of musical talent, which I don't, I can't sing. 00:55:34.855 --> 00:55:35.595 I can't dance. 00:55:35.595 --> 00:55:40.165 I can't play any musical instruments, but if I already get up and perform, if I 00:55:40.165 --> 00:55:45.125 already use that sort of, uh, mentality, how do I get the audience from where we 00:55:45.125 --> 00:55:49.965 are here, like they showed up and they're expecting to be entertained to, man, they 00:55:49.965 --> 00:55:53.525 just had a fantastic time and they vibed with us and we're all in the flow state. 00:55:53.615 --> 00:55:56.495 It's probably kind of a similar, would it be? 00:55:56.595 --> 00:55:59.225 Robin Winther: It is like, I think that's how you do it. 00:55:59.235 --> 00:56:03.165 You go in and you just feel it and then you have to take from it from there 00:56:03.185 --> 00:56:04.895 because it's all going to be different. 00:56:05.445 --> 00:56:07.765 Like a joke I did the last show. 00:56:08.475 --> 00:56:12.485 It won't work today, you know, like, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll do like a silly 00:56:12.545 --> 00:56:17.225 remark and like one of the guy in the band has a new shirt, like, yeah, like it was 00:56:17.225 --> 00:56:23.725 so fun on the other day, like, uh, this guy had this, the yellow cowboy shirt and 00:56:23.735 --> 00:56:27.925 with like fun patterns, I don't do no joke about that and give people laugh a little 00:56:27.955 --> 00:56:32.660 bit and then you just feeling the room and Someone is screaming something, and 00:56:32.690 --> 00:56:38.350 you just like, like, I don't know the word in English, but de weaponize, like, make 00:56:38.350 --> 00:56:43.430 people put down their guard a little bit, you know, you know, and, and then Takes 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.830 time sometimes, like, you go out, and you do a couple songs, you still feel like, 00:56:46.830 --> 00:56:50.760 alright, they're not really connecting with me here, and you, like, you work your 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:55.500 way through the set, and like, halfway in, you can feel like, okay, they're, they're 00:56:55.620 --> 00:56:59.920 kind of starting to be included now, and then you're like, at the end, they're 00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:04.145 like, You know, like, really connected with you and they're singing along and 00:57:04.195 --> 00:57:07.965 you like you have their attention and like you're like okay i'm going to keep doing 00:57:07.965 --> 00:57:11.965 like some sing alongs here and you bring it down bring the song down you extend the 00:57:11.965 --> 00:57:14.535 sing alongs a little bit because you're like okay they seem to like this and 00:57:14.535 --> 00:57:17.735 that's what they want yeah and we do that and then we move on and it's like okay 00:57:17.735 --> 00:57:19.665 this is too slow let's change Speed it up. 00:57:19.735 --> 00:57:25.585 Yeah, and I'm fortunate to have a like a great um, a really good band So they're 00:57:25.585 --> 00:57:29.285 like they always joke with me cuz like we never know what's gonna come when 00:57:29.285 --> 00:57:33.255 we're playing with you Robin We never know so we have to be on our toes all 00:57:33.255 --> 00:57:36.385 the time for like, okay, let's redo this chorus Let's like extend this thing. 00:57:36.385 --> 00:57:38.075 Let's do another solo on the verse. 00:57:38.105 --> 00:57:38.675 Let's do this. 00:57:38.915 --> 00:57:40.980 So I think, um, 00:57:41.200 --> 00:57:42.650 Travis Bader: That's the audio engineering in you. 00:57:42.690 --> 00:57:45.180 You can hear it, you can see it, you can visualize it. 00:57:45.300 --> 00:57:48.330 Robin Winther: A little bit, but I think also, it's a lot actually from my mom. 00:57:48.380 --> 00:57:53.220 She was like a small, uh, like a young kids teacher, like, first 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.850 grade to third grade, fourth grade or something like that. 00:57:57.330 --> 00:58:02.505 And she always said that, like, she walked into the classroom and she, like, She's 00:58:02.505 --> 00:58:05.605 been doing it for a lot of years, but she wouldn't plan that much and she would just 00:58:05.605 --> 00:58:10.105 like feel what's what's the kids vibe and she was like winging it and like trying 00:58:10.105 --> 00:58:15.865 to make up this fun games with them to make them learn and and She will always 00:58:15.905 --> 00:58:19.865 be very creative and I think it's like the creative thing being a teacher or being 00:58:19.865 --> 00:58:26.435 a performer like you work at a company and It's, it's, it's so important to be a 00:58:26.435 --> 00:58:30.525 little creative, and, you know, as I said, with the band, like, they know, like, 00:58:30.535 --> 00:58:35.195 okay, he's, I'm, I'm doing some gesture, and they know, they know exactly that, 00:58:35.195 --> 00:58:38.325 okay, we're gonna break the song, and, and we're gonna switch it over to this. 00:58:38.975 --> 00:58:43.855 And to be able to not like, okay, I'm doing the song the way I've been doing it 00:58:43.875 --> 00:58:49.675 every time and then it stopped and then it works probably, but it's so much more fun. 00:58:49.675 --> 00:58:51.555 It's like everyone's singing along in this chorus. 00:58:51.715 --> 00:58:52.465 I will do it again. 00:58:53.655 --> 00:58:54.135 You know? 00:58:54.945 --> 00:58:57.625 Travis Bader: Well, what have been some, some of the largest challenges that you've 00:58:57.625 --> 00:59:00.695 had to face in your music career so far? 00:59:01.405 --> 00:59:02.955 And where do you see the future going with 00:59:02.955 --> 00:59:03.305 Robin Winther: this? 00:59:03.305 --> 00:59:05.005 Oh, that's a good question. 00:59:05.605 --> 00:59:09.475 The challenge is obviously making a living out of music. 00:59:09.475 --> 00:59:16.545 It's always hard and you know, people, it's different with music because 00:59:16.615 --> 00:59:21.495 if I get someone to come here and paint my house and I will say I'll 00:59:21.495 --> 00:59:24.245 get an estimate like, Oh, this is so much money for painting the house. 00:59:24.870 --> 00:59:28.330 If someone asked me to come and play at their bar, and they were like, Oh, 00:59:28.330 --> 00:59:33.940 yeah, you get free food, and you gotta entertain the crowd for two hours. 00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:39.155 And I was like, okay, so I gotta Prepare a set list, I go to pack the van, I have to 00:59:39.155 --> 00:59:44.415 go there, set it all up, rehearse with the boys, I gotta figure everything out, bring 00:59:44.415 --> 00:59:49.255 all the stuff, put it up, play, entertain, take it all down, drive back home. 00:59:49.255 --> 00:59:51.895 It's like two days, one, one, two days of work. 00:59:52.095 --> 00:59:54.525 Travis Bader: But you got exposure, look at this, you got free food, right? 00:59:54.695 --> 00:59:55.735 Yeah, like, and like, 00:59:55.745 --> 00:59:58.705 Robin Winther: if someone comes to paint my house, and like, uh, and 00:59:58.705 --> 01:00:02.985 I'll, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll put up a sign that you're painting my house. 01:00:03.025 --> 01:00:05.105 I'll post on Instagram, we're like, oh, whatever, you know, 01:00:05.295 --> 01:00:06.185 it doesn't work like that. 01:00:06.215 --> 01:00:10.730 Like, I think sometimes, you know, people view music as like, Oh, 01:00:10.730 --> 01:00:11.970 it's a hobby, it's something fun. 01:00:11.970 --> 01:00:14.800 And it is something fun and a hobby for a lot of people, but 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:18.880 you, I think that it's always a challenge to being able to get paid. 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:21.170 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:00:21.170 --> 01:00:21.740 It's funny. 01:00:21.750 --> 01:00:27.100 Is it try trying to find that the, uh, the whole grasshopper and ant mentality when 01:00:29.300 --> 01:00:33.570 grasshoppers playing the music and the ants working away, but the ant. 01:00:34.030 --> 01:00:35.490 needs music. 01:00:35.520 --> 01:00:38.080 It needs something to feed its soul as well too, right? 01:00:38.150 --> 01:00:41.570 Robin Winther: Yeah, it's important, you know, everyone loves music in a 01:00:41.570 --> 01:00:46.110 way, in their own way, and I think it has a impact on the heart and 01:00:46.110 --> 01:00:48.770 soul and, and it does good stuff. 01:00:49.555 --> 01:00:53.145 For the society, I think music is important and, uh, What about AI? 01:00:53.915 --> 01:00:54.035 Is 01:00:54.035 --> 01:00:55.835 Travis Bader: that a scary thing for a musician? 01:00:56.095 --> 01:01:01.665 Robin Winther: I think it's, it's, it's still, um, yeah, in a way, but also I 01:01:01.665 --> 01:01:04.435 think you have to view, view AI as a tool. 01:01:04.655 --> 01:01:10.755 We were talking about this yesterday a little bit on, uh, how AI is using 01:01:11.620 --> 01:01:16.140 It's using a music that's been already been done and just like inversions 01:01:16.140 --> 01:01:22.520 of it in a way So I think it's we like the human Factor a lot in music. 01:01:22.550 --> 01:01:26.650 That's why we'll use old microphones or old equipment and like we like when 01:01:26.650 --> 01:01:32.960 it's sound Gritty and you know, it's I think it's the human touch that that 01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:39.285 is required So I'm not super concerned with AI, but, but obviously, like, you 01:01:39.285 --> 01:01:47.175 can do, it helps out a lot, editing, and in every, every aspect of, like, 01:01:47.205 --> 01:01:51.705 the world now, AI is mind blowing, and we'll see where, we'll see where it 01:01:51.735 --> 01:01:55.414 ends up, but, like, it's definitely going to replace some parts of it. 01:01:55.825 --> 01:01:57.125 Or, and create new ones, so. 01:01:57.275 --> 01:02:02.445 Travis Bader: From watching how you put together the new song for the 01:02:02.445 --> 01:02:07.075 Silvercore podcast here, I have a hard time thinking that AI could ever do that. 01:02:07.835 --> 01:02:12.945 It can get maybe broad brush strokes of, of certain things, but it can't 01:02:12.955 --> 01:02:17.900 take into that heart and soul Of every different aspect that you put in there. 01:02:17.900 --> 01:02:22.620 When you're talking about the old, the old musical instruments you're 01:02:22.620 --> 01:02:24.430 using, the one, what's that one called? 01:02:24.430 --> 01:02:25.170 That, uh, 01:02:25.210 --> 01:02:25.670 Robin Winther: Dobro. 01:02:25.990 --> 01:02:26.400 Dobro. 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:26.870 There he is. 01:02:26.870 --> 01:02:27.180 Travis Bader: Okay. 01:02:27.750 --> 01:02:31.670 It's, it's got scotch tape over top of the, uh, hole in it. 01:02:31.850 --> 01:02:32.160 It's a 01:02:32.160 --> 01:02:32.920 Robin Winther: rough instrument. 01:02:33.260 --> 01:02:33.380 Travis Bader: Right. 01:02:33.410 --> 01:02:35.010 It's been hanging on the wall there. 01:02:35.060 --> 01:02:35.530 Yeah. 01:02:35.710 --> 01:02:40.770 And, um, but it provided a sound that you couldn't find anywhere else. 01:02:40.900 --> 01:02:41.210 Robin Winther: No. 01:02:41.650 --> 01:02:45.170 Travis Bader: And it wasn't like, it's a normal instrument that you're using for. 01:02:45.705 --> 01:02:47.685 Recording with it's it's a wall hanger. 01:02:47.685 --> 01:02:47.935 It's a 01:02:47.935 --> 01:02:48.295 Robin Winther: wall piece. 01:02:48.365 --> 01:02:51.725 Yeah, it's just like It looks good. 01:02:51.755 --> 01:02:54.655 And yeah, and I think that's with AI. 01:02:54.665 --> 01:02:58.945 It's when we're creating music It's so many billions like a lot 01:02:58.945 --> 01:03:03.965 of micro decisions like and every decisions when making music is based 01:03:03.965 --> 01:03:07.565 on feel So this does feel good. 01:03:07.565 --> 01:03:08.535 No, it's not feel good. 01:03:08.575 --> 01:03:13.935 Then you move on Like you work so much with, with feelings on how you hear it 01:03:13.935 --> 01:03:19.155 and perceive it, and I think that's hard for an AI to, like, to code that thing. 01:03:19.965 --> 01:03:22.835 Travis Bader: Yeah, and to make that feeling come through. 01:03:22.845 --> 01:03:25.005 Like if you're going to be sitting down with a whole crowd of people and 01:03:25.005 --> 01:03:29.335 getting them into, You can technically play something perfectly and that 01:03:29.335 --> 01:03:32.125 doesn't necessarily mean that you're gonna have people engage with it 01:03:32.165 --> 01:03:38.345 Robin Winther: No, like I saw this video and someone was auto tuning 01:03:38.845 --> 01:03:42.025 the crap out of Don't stop believing. 01:03:42.385 --> 01:03:48.225 That was the old hit and So they made all the notes perfect and like super 01:03:48.225 --> 01:03:50.225 straight like singing perfectly. 01:03:50.435 --> 01:03:52.535 Mm hmm And it just killed the vibe. 01:03:52.555 --> 01:03:52.935 I don't know. 01:03:52.935 --> 01:03:54.395 It's not a good song anymore. 01:03:54.475 --> 01:04:00.790 So it's like perfection Perfection It's not always the way when it comes to music. 01:04:00.850 --> 01:04:05.180 So you want the little bit of, Whoa, it's not like, it's a little sharp and 01:04:05.180 --> 01:04:06.900 it's a little like low on that note. 01:04:07.190 --> 01:04:08.850 And it's just like create this like 01:04:09.570 --> 01:04:10.860 Travis Bader: feeling, friction. 01:04:10.870 --> 01:04:11.130 Yeah. 01:04:11.130 --> 01:04:11.970 Yeah, exactly. 01:04:12.220 --> 01:04:14.760 I always go back to, uh, my story about Johnny. 01:04:15.450 --> 01:04:15.740 Okay. 01:04:15.790 --> 01:04:17.150 Johnny, the programmer. 01:04:17.160 --> 01:04:20.030 A friend of mine is like, Trav, I got this programmer. 01:04:21.230 --> 01:04:23.540 You're looking to have this new thing built up for a website 01:04:23.540 --> 01:04:25.350 and he'll do it for you. 01:04:25.610 --> 01:04:27.090 He's brilliant. 01:04:27.210 --> 01:04:31.490 Really great guy and, um, affordable and Johnny comes in, he came into the 01:04:31.490 --> 01:04:33.840 office and so I'll set you up at a table. 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:34.450 He's like, no, no, no. 01:04:34.450 --> 01:04:35.170 I just need a chair. 01:04:35.380 --> 01:04:35.570 What? 01:04:35.570 --> 01:04:36.240 You don't need a table? 01:04:36.260 --> 01:04:36.490 No, no. 01:04:36.490 --> 01:04:39.140 I'll just put the laptop on my lap and I'll, okay. 01:04:40.030 --> 01:04:42.060 He starts at, uh, nine o'clock in the morning. 01:04:42.060 --> 01:04:43.430 He gets there a https: otter. 01:04:44.430 --> 01:04:45.330 ai 01:04:48.950 --> 01:04:54.550 Laptop's open, he starts working and noon, laptop closes, napkin goes on his lap. 01:04:54.570 --> 01:04:55.850 He starts eating his food, right? 01:04:56.250 --> 01:05:00.550 And noon's over, laptop's open, and he's working until five o'clock, whatever it 01:05:00.550 --> 01:05:05.940 was that he, and he's like, I'll come in and you can see the hours I'm working. 01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:07.240 So you'll pay me for the hours. 01:05:07.240 --> 01:05:08.900 I'm like, okay, sure. 01:05:08.900 --> 01:05:10.910 I guess this is your process. 01:05:11.650 --> 01:05:12.930 He's like, tell me what you want. 01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:15.280 Told him exactly what I want. 01:05:15.815 --> 01:05:19.225 And he made me a website, exactly how I asked for it. 01:05:19.285 --> 01:05:20.715 And it absolutely sucked. 01:05:21.915 --> 01:05:24.535 And the reason why it sucked was because I'm not a programmer. 01:05:24.545 --> 01:05:27.905 And, and it was exactly how I had asked for it. 01:05:28.505 --> 01:05:32.005 And I didn't know enough to ask the right questions. 01:05:32.005 --> 01:05:36.835 And I didn't know to, uh, uh, that what I was asking was technically not sound, 01:05:36.845 --> 01:05:37.975 but he's like, yeah, I can build it. 01:05:38.045 --> 01:05:38.805 Yeah, I'll do it for you. 01:05:38.845 --> 01:05:39.505 Not a problem. 01:05:39.515 --> 01:05:39.815 Right. 01:05:41.195 --> 01:05:44.485 I think that maybe AI will be a little bit like Johnny, at 01:05:44.485 --> 01:05:45.345 least that's how it is now. 01:05:45.345 --> 01:05:45.595 Yeah. 01:05:45.595 --> 01:05:48.525 I can build something for you, but it's not giving that feedback of, 01:05:49.075 --> 01:05:53.095 you know, um, what you're asking for is kind of stupid, right. 01:05:53.615 --> 01:05:55.565 Which is what he should have, he should have told me. 01:05:55.855 --> 01:05:58.145 And in your culture, I think it's a lot more. 01:05:58.700 --> 01:06:00.470 Normal for people to 01:06:02.520 --> 01:06:03.420 say things straight. 01:06:03.660 --> 01:06:03.900 Yeah. 01:06:03.900 --> 01:06:05.610 Not sugarcoat it, not pat around it. 01:06:05.640 --> 01:06:05.880 Yeah. 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.550 Robin Winther: The sweets are pretty, we're pretty straightforward. 01:06:08.550 --> 01:06:13.150 Like, uh, it might come out like a impolite sometimes. 01:06:13.150 --> 01:06:14.530 We we're very much Yes. 01:06:14.530 --> 01:06:15.490 No, I don't like it. 01:06:15.490 --> 01:06:15.940 I like it. 01:06:15.940 --> 01:06:16.205 Da da da. 01:06:16.540 --> 01:06:17.050 . Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:06:17.230 --> 01:06:17.405 Robin Winther: Well, I like that. 01:06:18.025 --> 01:06:19.295 Travis Bader: Does this dress make me look fat? 01:06:19.335 --> 01:06:19.765 Robin Winther: Yes. 01:06:19.875 --> 01:06:19.935 I 01:06:19.935 --> 01:06:20.075 Travis Bader: like 01:06:20.075 --> 01:06:20.785 Robin Winther: the other dress better. 01:06:20.805 --> 01:06:21.155 Okay. 01:06:21.155 --> 01:06:21.545 Travis Bader: Thanks. 01:06:21.865 --> 01:06:21.895 Robin Winther: Right. 01:06:22.655 --> 01:06:25.105 But as we said, we're also pretty like, we're a little 01:06:25.115 --> 01:06:27.045 scared of confrontation as well. 01:06:27.105 --> 01:06:30.545 So we're straight, but we're a little scared of confrontation. 01:06:30.645 --> 01:06:31.245 How does that work? 01:06:31.245 --> 01:06:32.165 I don't know. 01:06:32.165 --> 01:06:33.664 It's, it's, that's a weird anomaly, isn't it? 01:06:33.665 --> 01:06:37.085 It is a little weird, but you know, I guess you guys have to come 01:06:37.085 --> 01:06:40.585 Travis Bader: here and hive mind comes in too, right? 01:06:40.605 --> 01:06:40.795 Yeah. 01:06:40.795 --> 01:06:45.420 It's like, I want to make sure, yeah, I'll be straight, but, Is everybody else happy? 01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:46.530 Are we all on the same page? 01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:46.830 Yeah. 01:06:46.830 --> 01:06:48.030 So we always add like 01:06:48.030 --> 01:06:51.270 Robin Winther: after sentence, like, or , what's your word? 01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:51.780 Elsa? 01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:52.950 Uh, LER. 01:06:52.950 --> 01:06:52.951 Ler. 01:06:53.040 --> 01:06:55.350 So I like this L Yeah. 01:06:55.355 --> 01:06:55.950 I like, I like this. 01:06:55.950 --> 01:06:56.430 Or, yeah. 01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:57.880 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:06:58.090 --> 01:07:00.910 Meaning, or do you want to add something else to it? 01:07:00.910 --> 01:07:00.911 Yeah. 01:07:00.916 --> 01:07:02.080 Or should we, or do you think? 01:07:02.080 --> 01:07:03.040 Or do I really like it? 01:07:03.040 --> 01:07:03.415 Or, or No? 01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:04.210 Yeah. 01:07:04.300 --> 01:07:05.710 Robin Winther: Like keep it open er, 01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:06.100 Travis Bader: yeah. 01:07:06.520 --> 01:07:07.710 Robin Winther: Er, interesting. 01:07:07.830 --> 01:07:08.010 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:07:08.630 --> 01:07:11.570 Is there anything that we haven't talked about that we should be talking about? 01:07:11.720 --> 01:07:12.220 The song? 01:07:12.230 --> 01:07:13.150 Have we talked about the song? 01:07:13.170 --> 01:07:14.720 Yeah, that I'm making a new song? 01:07:14.790 --> 01:07:18.010 You did a phenomenal job on this new song. 01:07:18.030 --> 01:07:18.420 so much. 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:19.830 Holy crow. 01:07:20.470 --> 01:07:22.410 So I, I am so stoked by it. 01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.230 Uh, yeah, you, you send this over. 01:07:25.230 --> 01:07:26.170 You're like, not a problem. 01:07:26.210 --> 01:07:27.120 I'll make you a new song. 01:07:27.120 --> 01:07:27.900 Yeah, this is great. 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:32.155 And you send over this clip and you're like, Uh, any feedback, any revisions? 01:07:32.155 --> 01:07:34.745 And I, and I listened to it and it was just like the first part. 01:07:34.935 --> 01:07:36.145 Robin Winther: Yeah, it was just like an intro. 01:07:36.145 --> 01:07:40.045 So I was doing it down here and you got me a couple of references. 01:07:40.675 --> 01:07:46.345 Then like you gave me so much freedom and I was, it was like, okay, write a song. 01:07:46.655 --> 01:07:49.215 And I was like, Oh, I'll do it. 01:07:49.225 --> 01:07:52.115 And then I got like a couple of references and a couple of just 01:07:52.165 --> 01:07:54.235 notes that I could go towards. 01:07:54.235 --> 01:07:54.465 And. 01:07:55.520 --> 01:07:58.220 And I was just trying all this different stuff and then I was like, 01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:59.860 ah, I'm running out of ideas here. 01:07:59.860 --> 01:08:01.100 I have to try something else. 01:08:01.110 --> 01:08:04.180 And then I was like, oh yeah, I have this like wall piece in the house. 01:08:04.250 --> 01:08:07.000 This guitar that sounds, we talked about it. 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:08.610 It's, it's a weird sound. 01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:08.890 Yeah. 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:12.530 And it's like the strings are really dead and there's, Yeah. 01:08:12.560 --> 01:08:16.570 It's a weird sound and just put a mic in the room and, and I wrote this riff 01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:21.070 and, uh, yeah, I did a little intro and I was like, oh, we'll see if he likes it. 01:08:21.070 --> 01:08:21.680 I have no idea. 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:22.560 And I sent it over. 01:08:22.790 --> 01:08:22.930 Yeah. 01:08:22.930 --> 01:08:23.540 What did I say? 01:08:24.440 --> 01:08:25.240 Well, you loved it. 01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:25.670 Yeah. 01:08:26.120 --> 01:08:27.390 Which was, there's nothing 01:08:27.390 --> 01:08:28.230 Travis Bader: I could change about that. 01:08:28.250 --> 01:08:30.480 He's like, Oh, let me know if there's anything you want to change. 01:08:30.480 --> 01:08:32.010 I'm like, why would I change this? 01:08:32.030 --> 01:08:36.250 Why would I step in and start trying to micromanage a creative process? 01:08:36.550 --> 01:08:37.210 I already know. 01:08:37.210 --> 01:08:38.500 I like your, your work. 01:08:38.500 --> 01:08:38.930 I already know. 01:08:38.930 --> 01:08:39.730 I like your stuff. 01:08:39.730 --> 01:08:40.970 I've listened to your other music. 01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:45.330 Why would I get in and try and poke my fingers in here? 01:08:45.330 --> 01:08:50.410 Because then it becomes less your work and more like me with Johnny. 01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:51.140 Robin Winther: Oh yeah. 01:08:51.490 --> 01:08:51.650 Yeah. 01:08:51.650 --> 01:08:54.140 You were, then again, like giving me a lot of freedom. 01:08:54.140 --> 01:08:56.890 So it was, that was, I think it was the hardest part with it. 01:08:56.910 --> 01:09:00.090 Because you liked the first part and I was like, all right, now you guys have to 01:09:00.090 --> 01:09:01.700 do, build a whole song out of this thing. 01:09:03.550 --> 01:09:05.540 And, uh, is that stressful? 01:09:05.900 --> 01:09:07.590 I was, it's a little stressful. 01:09:07.590 --> 01:09:07.740 Yeah. 01:09:07.740 --> 01:09:11.990 It's a challenge, you know, but you know, I, I think a lot of people work 01:09:12.440 --> 01:09:16.710 best under pressure, and I always, like, do everything last minute. 01:09:17.010 --> 01:09:22.640 So, it's just like, working hard, last, last couple, last week. 01:09:22.730 --> 01:09:23.280 When did it all 01:09:23.280 --> 01:09:24.150 Travis Bader: come together? 01:09:24.710 --> 01:09:25.940 Like, a couple days before? 01:09:25.990 --> 01:09:27.970 Robin Winther: Yeah, like, two days before you came here, 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:29.070 Travis Bader: like, I sent it over there. 01:09:29.170 --> 01:09:30.060 That's when I was done. 01:09:30.850 --> 01:09:33.330 If it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would ever get done. 01:09:33.400 --> 01:09:33.780 No. 01:09:34.015 --> 01:09:40.255 So, you know, I, I'm the same way if, um, I do my best to put everything in place 01:09:40.265 --> 01:09:43.445 so that I have some sort of structure or framework that I can work with. 01:09:44.475 --> 01:09:50.745 But for my most creative pieces, they're all done at the very last moment. 01:09:50.875 --> 01:09:51.175 Robin Winther: Yeah. 01:09:51.215 --> 01:09:52.175 Travis Bader: I don't know what it is. 01:09:52.205 --> 01:09:53.605 Maybe it's an ADHD thing. 01:09:53.605 --> 01:09:54.805 Some people would say it is, but 01:09:55.015 --> 01:09:56.835 Robin Winther: I think it has to do with like creativity. 01:09:56.835 --> 01:09:57.335 You have to be able. 01:09:57.935 --> 01:10:04.175 Like, pushed and, and whatever you created with, you know, it's, if you're, 01:10:04.495 --> 01:10:09.755 if you're in a too safe scenario, I think you're like, I don't think it 01:10:09.785 --> 01:10:13.835 gets too good, you know, you have to be like, this has to be really good. 01:10:13.855 --> 01:10:15.105 You got a lot of pressure on this thing. 01:10:15.115 --> 01:10:17.965 And like a last minute, I will just have time to make it. 01:10:19.005 --> 01:10:22.125 Now, and, and I think that's, that's when you have to be like, all 01:10:22.125 --> 01:10:23.495 right, I just have to make it work. 01:10:23.535 --> 01:10:26.305 Whatever, what do I got now to just finish this thing, you know? 01:10:26.395 --> 01:10:28.985 Travis Bader: When do you put something down and then turn your head off? 01:10:29.045 --> 01:10:32.850 Because, I gotta imagine that After a while you'd look at, it'd be like, oh, 01:10:32.850 --> 01:10:34.680 I could tweak this or I could do that. 01:10:34.770 --> 01:10:35.460 Do you ever get that? 01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:37.530 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:10:37.530 --> 01:10:38.820 I have to have a deadline and everything. 01:10:38.820 --> 01:10:40.770 Or, or like, I'll tweak it through eternity. 01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:41.550 Yeah. 01:10:41.550 --> 01:10:41.610 Robin Winther: Yeah. 01:10:42.480 --> 01:10:42.870 . Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:10:43.310 --> 01:10:45.890 Well, I gotta tell you, I absolutely love this song. 01:10:45.890 --> 01:10:50.670 It's got some, when I listened to it, the full thing coming through, I'm like, 01:10:50.730 --> 01:10:52.560 oh, I can use the first half for this. 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.540 Or I could use this part for like, voiceover. 01:10:54.540 --> 01:11:00.000 This part can be for a, uh, um, like YouTube and sign off, or. 01:11:00.750 --> 01:11:03.470 And as I'm thinking about all of these things, and I talked to you, 01:11:03.470 --> 01:11:05.780 and that was exactly what you had in your mind when you're making these 01:11:05.780 --> 01:11:12.070 different little sections of it, it's, uh, yeah, do you, do you do a lot of 01:11:12.070 --> 01:11:13.520 this kind of work for other people? 01:11:13.590 --> 01:11:14.760 Like, or is it? 01:11:14.980 --> 01:11:15.500 Robin Winther: It happens. 01:11:15.510 --> 01:11:16.210 It happens. 01:11:16.370 --> 01:11:19.450 Uh, but most of the time I have like artists coming in and. 01:11:19.865 --> 01:11:25.325 We're writing songs and stuff, but every now and then I do like something special. 01:11:25.365 --> 01:11:26.215 Not very often. 01:11:26.265 --> 01:11:28.175 That's why I also thought it was pretty fun. 01:11:28.235 --> 01:11:32.535 It's like, it's always a challenge to do this stuff, like to compose. 01:11:32.595 --> 01:11:34.365 But I'm happy you liked it. 01:11:34.525 --> 01:11:36.285 Travis Bader: Absolutely blown away by your work. 01:11:36.335 --> 01:11:38.725 Absolutely blown away by your hospitality. 01:11:38.725 --> 01:11:39.195 Thank you. 01:11:39.255 --> 01:11:40.895 Beautiful place that you have here. 01:11:42.330 --> 01:11:47.140 Really, uh, really enjoy setting up and, and filming and recording in your studio. 01:11:47.730 --> 01:11:51.910 Robin, thank you so very much for being on the Silvercore podcast. 01:11:51.910 --> 01:11:55.200 I thoroughly enjoy this and I really enjoyed, I should also make 01:11:55.200 --> 01:11:56.660 sure, shout out to everybody else. 01:11:56.660 --> 01:11:56.730 I. 01:11:57.515 --> 01:12:01.465 I won't have all the names down right, but it, you know, everywhere, everybody 01:12:01.465 --> 01:12:03.505 at Solaron, all the hunting crew. 01:12:04.405 --> 01:12:05.505 Thank you so much. 01:12:05.595 --> 01:12:05.985 What 01:12:05.985 --> 01:12:06.805 Robin Winther: an amazing time. 01:12:07.655 --> 01:12:08.485 Thank you, Travis. 01:12:08.505 --> 01:12:11.335 It's been a blast having you guys here, you and your wife and 01:12:12.025 --> 01:12:15.365 had so much fun and pleasure and an honor to be on your podcast. 01:12:15.655 --> 01:12:15.885 I love 01:12:15.885 --> 01:12:16.265 Travis Bader: your work. 01:12:16.325 --> 01:12:19.465 And now two more weeks and you're going to be down on my neck of the woods and 01:12:19.565 --> 01:12:20.715 show you what it's like to hunt out there. 01:12:20.770 --> 01:12:23.407 I'm 01:12:23.407 --> 01:12:33.955 looking forward to it.