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Maarten,

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hallo!

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Zeg,

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gisteravond

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journaal

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gezien?

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schrok

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Lisa.

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Nee,

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gisteravond

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thuis.

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politiek

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schandaal.

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zat

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kijken.

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Ah,

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gebruikelijke

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actualiteit

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dus.

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brengt

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nieuws

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eigenlijk?

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Nou,

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probeer

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wel

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denk,

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achtuurjournaal.

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vaak

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krijg

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media.

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gedisciplineerder.

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Haha,

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waar.

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Absolute

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objectiviteit

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misschien

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illusie.

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redactie

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nagedacht,

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wordt

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gestreefd

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naar

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onpartijdigheid.

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Ja,

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precies.

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Daarin

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schrijver

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eigen

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mening.

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Exact.

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Bij

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Journaal

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verslaggeving.

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feiten

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moeten

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gepresenteerd

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worden.

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interpretatie

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wordt

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grotendeels

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kijker

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overgelaten.

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gisteren

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persconferentie

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minister.

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werd

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journalisten

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flink

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doorgevraagd.

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controlerende

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functie

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pers.

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kritisch

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doorgevraagd

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moeten

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worden.

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Zeker.

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Maar

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programma's

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zoals

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Nieuwsuur,

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gaan

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achtergrond

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analyse.

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Klopt.

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Daar

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gedaan.

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interessanter.

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context

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belangrijk.

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maatschappelijke

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problemen

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waar

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kan.

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Precies.

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bewaken.

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Tussen

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verslaggeving

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diepgaande

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analyse.

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Lijkt

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desinformatie

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rondgaat.

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doei!