WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:04.696 --> 00:00:05.750 CJ: Welcome to build and learn. 00:00:05.750 --> 00:00:06.630 My name is CJ. 00:00:06.693 --> 00:00:09.333 Colin: And I'm Colin, and today we are chatting about our 00:00:09.333 --> 00:00:12.433 favorite season, Advent of Code, 00:00:12.763 --> 00:00:13.383 CJ: Yes. 00:00:14.403 --> 00:00:15.603 Tis the season. 00:00:16.193 --> 00:00:17.443 Hacking left and right. 00:00:17.993 --> 00:00:18.983 Great idea. 00:00:19.083 --> 00:00:22.993 setting up, we've got this little channel in Slack where people 00:00:22.993 --> 00:00:28.043 can go and discuss their advent of code problems and solutions. 00:00:28.773 --> 00:00:31.833 Colin: Yeah, I think we talked about it last time, but I've been 00:00:31.833 --> 00:00:35.173 feeling a little burnt out about the dev meetup that we have locally. 00:00:35.173 --> 00:00:40.983 And so I set up Advent of Code as our December meetup, which honestly 00:00:40.983 --> 00:00:45.673 is more engagement than we've had in even some of the in person meetings. 00:00:45.723 --> 00:00:48.303 admin of code is a little challenging because it does take it like a 00:00:48.333 --> 00:00:50.273 significant amount of time to do. 00:00:50.723 --> 00:00:53.643 but I don't think, to get value out of it, you don't have to do them all. 00:00:54.083 --> 00:00:57.943 And, you're doing videos for all of these, which is amazing. 00:00:58.403 --> 00:01:00.393 I've learned a lot just watching yours. 00:01:01.443 --> 00:01:04.493 For me, it's a little challenging because once I see how you do it, it's hard 00:01:04.633 --> 00:01:06.593 to think about any other way to do it. 00:01:06.623 --> 00:01:09.723 So I've been trying to see how far I can get without it. 00:01:09.958 --> 00:01:14.978 Look at some hints and things, on Reddit and other places before I watch your 00:01:14.978 --> 00:01:17.438 videos, but it's been super helpful. 00:01:18.303 --> 00:01:19.833 CJ: Yeah, I like that approach. 00:01:19.893 --> 00:01:25.033 I also try to do that like first try to solve it myself. 00:01:25.143 --> 00:01:29.153 There's definitely some problems that require dynamic programming or 00:01:29.153 --> 00:01:34.393 require like crazy graph traversal or some high level mathematics that I 00:01:34.403 --> 00:01:36.123 don't know and have never seen before. 00:01:36.503 --> 00:01:40.033 And in those cases, I will often just try to take a stab at it myself. 00:01:40.393 --> 00:01:43.843 And if that doesn't work, then I'll try to look for hints on Reddit. 00:01:44.618 --> 00:01:48.208 And without like spoilers, and if that does still doesn't work, then 00:01:48.208 --> 00:01:52.108 I'll watch and there's like tons of videos on YouTube of different 00:01:52.108 --> 00:01:53.868 people taking different approaches. 00:01:53.978 --> 00:01:56.068 There's this one guy, Jonathan Paulson. 00:01:56.673 --> 00:01:59.743 Who I think right now is like number two on the leaderboard for 2023. 00:02:00.213 --> 00:02:04.933 And he live streams, like the second it comes out, he'll 00:02:04.933 --> 00:02:06.763 live stream, his like solution. 00:02:06.773 --> 00:02:09.713 So you can watch the countdown timer go down, like three, two, one, 00:02:09.713 --> 00:02:11.173 he clicks on it and he solves it. 00:02:11.483 --> 00:02:12.623 Doesn't talk or anything. 00:02:12.623 --> 00:02:14.733 Just like blasts through it as fast as possible. 00:02:14.753 --> 00:02:17.373 And then we'll go back and explain his approach. 00:02:17.753 --> 00:02:19.893 so I love watching his videos. 00:02:20.043 --> 00:02:25.153 And yeah, there's, it's like amazing opportunity to learn new languages or new 00:02:25.153 --> 00:02:26.533 language features and things like that. 00:02:26.593 --> 00:02:26.998 it's 00:02:27.168 --> 00:02:27.568 Colin: Nice. 00:02:27.958 --> 00:02:33.938 Yeah, I'm using this as an opportunity to learn Python and when I watch your videos, 00:02:33.978 --> 00:02:39.458 I like want to reach for a lot of the niceties of Ruby and like all these little 00:02:39.458 --> 00:02:45.458 helper methods and things like I was trying to like multiply, an array and it's 00:02:45.458 --> 00:02:50.148 I know how to do this in Ruby, but now let me go find out how I have to do this in, 00:02:50.158 --> 00:02:55.268 in Python and it's like basically like a reduced function that you had to write. 00:02:55.513 --> 00:03:00.023 but it's just not as simple as, and it's also Ruby's so much in my brain still. 00:03:00.073 --> 00:03:01.873 but yeah, it's a good way to learn new languages. 00:03:01.873 --> 00:03:08.403 I've been watching, Bash Bunny on Twitch, learning Zig with, with this. 00:03:08.843 --> 00:03:12.033 And that is all I know about Zig is just a little bit that 00:03:12.033 --> 00:03:13.203 I've watched from her streams. 00:03:13.203 --> 00:03:16.073 So definitely fun to watch. 00:03:16.473 --> 00:03:19.253 CJ: Reddit solutions too. 00:03:19.253 --> 00:03:23.393 People will use like JQ or they'll use Google sheets or they'll use, 00:03:23.763 --> 00:03:27.793 some wild technology or language that I never even would have thought 00:03:27.823 --> 00:03:29.283 could solve some of these problems. 00:03:29.313 --> 00:03:32.833 And there, some of them are very elegant solutions, 00:03:32.893 --> 00:03:34.703 Colin: off the COBOL and Perl 00:03:34.758 --> 00:03:36.878 CJ: Yeah, totally. 00:03:37.148 --> 00:03:39.398 There's a lot of Perl, surprisingly, solutions. 00:03:39.858 --> 00:03:44.388 I would bet that Python is the number one followed probably by JavaScript. 00:03:44.418 --> 00:03:47.448 And then, lots and lots of different languages. 00:03:47.458 --> 00:03:47.758 So 00:03:48.278 --> 00:03:50.798 Colin: Yeah, I joined the Python discord server, which I think is 00:03:50.848 --> 00:03:53.928 I'm not sure if it's the official one, but it's the biggest one. 00:03:54.358 --> 00:03:58.088 and there's like an admin of code section that they added so that people can have 00:03:58.098 --> 00:04:03.098 conversations there and, people, we're only on day seven and I'll say that I 00:04:03.098 --> 00:04:07.958 think where am I'm on day five and I was able to solve the sample, but then 00:04:07.958 --> 00:04:12.933 the input is like, It's using ranges and the sample was like pretty tame, but 00:04:12.933 --> 00:04:14.753 then the input is like in the billions. 00:04:15.173 --> 00:04:19.853 And so my solution does not work, or at least it might take 00:04:19.853 --> 00:04:21.333 many years to finish before. 00:04:22.078 --> 00:04:22.438 CJ: Yeah. 00:04:22.873 --> 00:04:26.693 Colin: So I need to go back and update it to just like dynamically calculate if it's 00:04:26.693 --> 00:04:31.943 in the range instead of, I think I was, I generated all the tables, which would take 00:04:31.943 --> 00:04:33.773 a very long time to do in the billions. 00:04:34.258 --> 00:04:36.678 CJ: That was my instinct too, for solving that problem. 00:04:36.950 --> 00:04:40.280 The first time I looked at it, I was like, Oh yeah, you can just generate. 00:04:40.625 --> 00:04:42.845 hashes and then, yeah, look through them or whatever. 00:04:42.945 --> 00:04:50.455 And, yeah, it's interesting how Eric throws those curve balls 00:04:50.485 --> 00:04:53.045 when he's creating all these different challenges to make it. 00:04:54.460 --> 00:04:55.520 More interesting, right? 00:04:55.520 --> 00:04:59.250 Like the part two is always Oh gosh, that's so hairy or gnarly or whatever. 00:04:59.280 --> 00:05:02.360 and also depending on how you solve part one, sometimes the 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.490 refactoring can be like a tiny little change to make part two work. 00:05:05.730 --> 00:05:06.870 And other times it's Oh wow. 00:05:06.870 --> 00:05:09.150 That like part one does nothing for me anymore. 00:05:09.150 --> 00:05:11.560 Like I need to completely rethink all of my data structures, all 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:12.920 my algorithms to make this work. 00:05:13.420 --> 00:05:13.800 So 00:05:14.765 --> 00:05:19.165 Colin: which I think encourages good coding practices and reusable 00:05:19.165 --> 00:05:22.585 code so that you don't have to like, burn it all down and start over. 00:05:22.635 --> 00:05:26.385 But, I think for some first couple days, I wasn't using any functions at all. 00:05:26.395 --> 00:05:28.885 Now I'm like starting to put things in functions and call 00:05:28.885 --> 00:05:30.805 them and get used to that. 00:05:30.835 --> 00:05:33.685 So maybe I'll have to introduce some classes before we're done. 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:34.970 CJ: nice. 00:05:35.250 --> 00:05:36.180 Yeah, totally. 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.110 Have you, so what is your experience with Python? 00:05:39.500 --> 00:05:43.010 in the past, is this the first kind of deep dive into it or 00:05:43.020 --> 00:05:44.920 have you used it just for fun? 00:05:44.980 --> 00:05:45.450 Okay. 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:46.080 Nice. 00:05:46.310 --> 00:05:48.160 Colin: Yeah, I've never used it. 00:05:48.190 --> 00:05:52.570 Somehow I got away with never writing a line of Python until I think when I 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:57.270 joined discord, I played around with one PR that it was like a pretty easy 00:05:57.270 --> 00:06:01.520 one liner or something, but, I'm needing to get into our Python code more, 00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:03.480 so it's just good for me to know it. 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:06.060 And so this has been a good learning time for it. 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:07.460 I realized that. 00:06:07.710 --> 00:06:10.970 Like I do have a pretty strong computer science foundation. 00:06:10.970 --> 00:06:16.480 So it's more of how do I do the thing I do in other languages in Python and 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:18.880 not having to re rebuild and relearn. 00:06:18.890 --> 00:06:22.100 Cause I have some friends who are learning computer science with Python right now. 00:06:22.640 --> 00:06:28.260 And, so they're also learning how to think in, single dimensional arrays, 00:06:28.270 --> 00:06:31.380 multi dimensional arrays, how to think about where you're at and then like 00:06:31.380 --> 00:06:36.160 context of variables and things like that too, It those things we take for 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.280 granted the longer we do this versus when you're learning, you're like, 00:06:39.280 --> 00:06:43.120 I put some equals zero up here, but it's yeah, that's getting reset to 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:44.780 zero every time this loop happens. 00:06:45.290 --> 00:06:47.880 So you're some constantly is getting blown away. 00:06:48.500 --> 00:06:49.290 yeah, so 00:06:49.325 --> 00:06:50.775 CJ: Yeah, definitely. 00:06:51.290 --> 00:06:51.590 Colin: for it. 00:06:52.385 --> 00:06:52.935 CJ: Totally. 00:06:53.105 --> 00:06:53.345 Yeah. 00:06:53.365 --> 00:06:58.325 I like to tell people that like every new language that you learn becomes a little 00:06:58.355 --> 00:07:00.545 easier than the last one that you learned. 00:07:00.555 --> 00:07:01.885 And the first one is always so hard. 00:07:02.395 --> 00:07:05.085 Like the very first one that you learn is just so much work 00:07:05.085 --> 00:07:06.225 to wrap your head around stuff. 00:07:06.245 --> 00:07:07.525 Oh 00:07:07.540 --> 00:07:08.610 Colin: spoken languages. 00:07:09.185 --> 00:07:10.485 CJ: my gosh, that would be awesome. 00:07:10.485 --> 00:07:10.765 Yeah. 00:07:12.085 --> 00:07:12.475 Yeah. 00:07:12.850 --> 00:07:15.820 Colin: So yeah, I guess to follow the last episode, we talked a little bit 00:07:15.820 --> 00:07:19.750 about YouTube and streaming and so just ripped the bandaid off and did a 00:07:19.750 --> 00:07:23.660 stream with advent of code for one of the challenges with my friend Aaron and 00:07:24.255 --> 00:07:24.565 CJ: Awesome. 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:26.320 Colin: It was interesting. 00:07:26.370 --> 00:07:30.240 we talked about getting on stream and then it took us like 45 minutes because 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.200 we were doing a stream together. 00:07:32.930 --> 00:07:36.740 ShE'd been all set up for solo streams, but we use the new Twitch stream 00:07:36.740 --> 00:07:38.420 together feature, which is pretty cool. 00:07:38.820 --> 00:07:44.170 and what's nice about it is when she goes live, it tells my followers that 00:07:44.170 --> 00:07:45.950 Colin's going live on Aaron's stream. 00:07:46.530 --> 00:07:50.320 And then it streams both of our cameras into an overlay that you 00:07:50.320 --> 00:07:52.560 can put into your stream software. 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:56.245 So You don't have to have all those like other tools. 00:07:56.295 --> 00:07:58.785 I literally have it written down on a little card in front of me. 00:07:59.105 --> 00:08:03.355 This is something that I was wanting to build a long time ago and Twitch just 00:08:03.365 --> 00:08:05.325 has it built in now, which is cool. 00:08:05.405 --> 00:08:09.185 And also one of those like platform risk type things where Twitch 00:08:09.185 --> 00:08:12.905 knows what they, want to have to make their streamers successful. 00:08:13.345 --> 00:08:16.745 And having that hook in there where it's like, it actually shows on 00:08:16.745 --> 00:08:20.065 the UI Colin Aaron are streaming. 00:08:20.065 --> 00:08:25.235 so they've done a really good job with that, but, OBS just was not cutting it. 00:08:25.245 --> 00:08:29.905 So I had her switch over to meld studio, which is honestly, I can't 00:08:29.905 --> 00:08:31.395 go back to OBS after using it. 00:08:31.395 --> 00:08:32.915 it's designed for the Mac. 00:08:33.375 --> 00:08:36.115 It uses the m1, m2, m3 chips. 00:08:36.495 --> 00:08:38.645 so it's just like a much better experience. 00:08:38.645 --> 00:08:41.265 And they tell you as you're streaming, this is not production 00:08:41.265 --> 00:08:43.035 grade, do not use this yet. 00:08:43.495 --> 00:08:49.135 but we haven't had any issues and it took us minutes to get all set up with, 00:08:49.185 --> 00:08:52.865 from downloading it and setting it up to hitting stream, which was really nice. 00:08:53.500 --> 00:08:56.730 CJ: Does, okay, so meld is an one for one alternative to OBS in terms 00:08:56.730 --> 00:09:01.620 of getting your own camera screen inputs and like all these other 00:09:01.655 --> 00:09:04.135 Colin: images, sources, all those things. 00:09:04.135 --> 00:09:04.425 Yeah. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:10.050 CJ: And then your meld input is directly into Twitch and then 00:09:10.070 --> 00:09:15.740 Twitch is like muxing your input and her input, like on that side? 00:09:15.740 --> 00:09:17.630 Or are you both like meld? 00:09:17.710 --> 00:09:18.160 Is there some 00:09:18.485 --> 00:09:21.255 Colin: So it's a little bit stranger than that. 00:09:21.335 --> 00:09:24.065 It's another, so you go to the stream together website and they 00:09:24.065 --> 00:09:28.205 give you a URL that you put in as a source into your mail or OBS. 00:09:28.695 --> 00:09:34.415 So it is a, they're putting you and your guests into a browser and then 00:09:34.755 --> 00:09:38.865 it can have a transparent background so that if you set that as your full 00:09:39.005 --> 00:09:41.705 frame, you can move the guests around. 00:09:41.715 --> 00:09:43.545 They have their Twitch IDs in there. 00:09:44.037 --> 00:09:47.447 We just did the video and the audio through the browser because 00:09:47.777 --> 00:09:50.487 then we don't have any syncing issues, which you'll run into. 00:09:50.757 --> 00:09:54.667 And then you can also screen share into that UI because the issue we were 00:09:54.667 --> 00:09:59.227 running into is that we were just sharing our faces and I couldn't see her code. 00:10:00.505 --> 00:10:03.715 Without watching her stream, which was slightly delayed and then I 00:10:03.715 --> 00:10:05.835 would get ads which also sucked. 00:10:05.845 --> 00:10:09.575 So we need to figure that out so I need to either pay for twitch or she 00:10:09.575 --> 00:10:13.245 needs to turn off ads or however that works But yeah, it's pretty slick. 00:10:13.245 --> 00:10:18.175 So it's built in as like Just a UI component in your stream software. 00:10:18.895 --> 00:10:19.285 CJ: Got it. 00:10:19.285 --> 00:10:21.655 And is mailed paid, or what does that look like? 00:10:22.145 --> 00:10:25.425 Colin: I imagine they're going to need to be at some point, but right now it's free. 00:10:25.625 --> 00:10:26.835 it's super slick. 00:10:26.845 --> 00:10:30.275 Like it looks like, a very modern, what is that? 00:10:30.305 --> 00:10:32.620 project man linear like flashy. 00:10:32.660 --> 00:10:33.720 we'll include a link to it. 00:10:34.090 --> 00:10:34.970 Not sponsored, 00:10:35.405 --> 00:10:35.785 CJ: Yeah. 00:10:35.860 --> 00:10:38.570 Colin: but maybe if we keep the streaming thing up meld, we should check. 00:10:39.215 --> 00:10:39.705 CJ: Yeah. 00:10:39.905 --> 00:10:44.275 We, so in the past I've used StreamYard, that was like my go 00:10:44.275 --> 00:10:46.275 to, at Stripe for live streams. 00:10:46.865 --> 00:10:51.155 And I, when working with Aaron, from automate all the things, 00:10:51.625 --> 00:10:56.415 he uses OBS with OBS Ninja to do like the multi person set up. 00:10:56.435 --> 00:10:59.325 And I know that he's got it really fine tuned, but it's also taken 00:10:59.345 --> 00:11:03.035 a lot of trial and error to get audio syncing things fixed and 00:11:03.590 --> 00:11:05.340 Colin: Yeah, I think it's similar to OBS Ninja. 00:11:05.340 --> 00:11:08.110 It's just Twitch is basically eating their lunch. 00:11:08.110 --> 00:11:09.190 if you're doing Twitch. 00:11:09.765 --> 00:11:10.785 It's gonna do this. 00:11:10.985 --> 00:11:14.525 What's cool is that you could, actually you can use stream together 00:11:14.555 --> 00:11:16.035 without going live on Twitch. 00:11:16.065 --> 00:11:19.875 Like you could use it in like a work stream if you were streaming. 00:11:19.875 --> 00:11:22.215 Like I could stream to Discord for instance. 00:11:22.495 --> 00:11:28.645 I don't think we have stream keys in Discord, but I could use the 00:11:28.685 --> 00:11:34.340 output of MELD Studio or OBS as my camera input, and trick it there. 00:11:34.380 --> 00:11:37.500 but actually I'll have to go look because it would be cool if we had support 00:11:37.510 --> 00:11:42.040 for that streaming format of, stream keys and things like that in Discord. 00:11:42.485 --> 00:11:42.925 CJ: Got it. 00:11:43.490 --> 00:11:49.395 Colin: So it is amazing because there's a bunch of, Hey, so you want a YouTube in 00:11:49.395 --> 00:11:53.630 2024 or you want to stream in 2024, but there's not a lot of good videos that get 00:11:53.630 --> 00:11:58.940 into this stuff that we've all figured out over time, like how to have a good mic is 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:04.180 out there, but how do you get your friends in a stream together, things like that. 00:12:04.250 --> 00:12:06.640 And Twitch is obviously making those things easier. 00:12:06.940 --> 00:12:09.990 The other one is that Twitch added like custom alerts. 00:12:10.340 --> 00:12:13.140 So very similarly, you can set up your own alerts. 00:12:13.420 --> 00:12:16.610 with your own graphics and your own triggers and then drop those 00:12:16.610 --> 00:12:19.120 into OBS as browser sources. 00:12:19.530 --> 00:12:25.230 And so when you get a follower and that like CJ followed Colin, like 00:12:25.230 --> 00:12:28.900 that happens in your OBS without having to use any external tools, 00:12:29.100 --> 00:12:31.110 which used to be super painful. 00:12:31.130 --> 00:12:33.800 You had to do stream labs and all this other stuff to do 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:34.170 CJ: right. 00:12:34.700 --> 00:12:35.100 Yeah. 00:12:36.180 --> 00:12:36.770 Sweet. 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:38.320 Sound like it's getting easier. 00:12:38.580 --> 00:12:39.960 Colin: becoming a Twitch fan boy, 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:40.530 CJ: sweet. 00:12:40.860 --> 00:12:41.250 Awesome. 00:12:41.640 --> 00:12:44.450 And when you stream like that, is it available after the fact? 00:12:44.450 --> 00:12:45.960 Like I wanted to go watch it. 00:12:46.190 --> 00:12:49.735 Colin: Is like if you're not a partner with Twitch, it's seven days. 00:12:50.275 --> 00:12:53.365 If you're a partner, it's 30 and then a lot of streamers send 00:12:53.365 --> 00:12:55.045 it over to YouTube afterwards. 00:12:55.215 --> 00:12:55.705 CJ: Let's see. 00:12:55.745 --> 00:12:59.335 We talked about Advent of Code a little bit, but, I don't know, anything else you 00:13:00.605 --> 00:13:00.875 Colin: No, I 00:13:00.885 --> 00:13:01.485 CJ: to add there? 00:13:01.835 --> 00:13:04.505 Colin: I think we're gonna just keep chunking along and try to get caught up 00:13:05.065 --> 00:13:05.435 CJ: Yeah.. 00:13:05.695 --> 00:13:06.175 Colin: or something. 00:13:06.340 --> 00:13:09.880 CJ: The one thing I wanted to add about that, that has really surprised me is, 00:13:10.570 --> 00:13:14.800 Advent of, the challenges come out, I think, at midnight Eastern time. 00:13:15.300 --> 00:13:19.550 And I live in Eastern time, so I'm not up at midnight doing these 00:13:19.550 --> 00:13:22.520 challenges, but one of the first things I do is I go on my phone and 00:13:22.520 --> 00:13:23.990 I check what's the problem for today. 00:13:24.860 --> 00:13:27.980 And so as I'm like trying to wake up for the day and get, get my 00:13:27.980 --> 00:13:31.620 head in the game, I have been on my phone using the replit app. 00:13:32.855 --> 00:13:37.355 To write like early solutions or let me just see if I can solve like part one 00:13:37.355 --> 00:13:42.445 right now, like while I'm in bed and holy moly, the replica app is killer. 00:13:42.485 --> 00:13:46.325 if you want to write code on mobile, the replica app has so 00:13:46.325 --> 00:13:49.775 many little like quick buttons for the things that you would want. 00:13:50.165 --> 00:13:54.645 So if you want to toggle comments or you want to indent or you want to, move the 00:13:54.645 --> 00:13:57.435 cursor left, and whatever, they've come up with a really interesting UX where 00:13:57.435 --> 00:13:59.315 you can move this little dot around. 00:13:59.825 --> 00:14:03.285 Plus because they have ghostwriter, it's like you have a copilot right 00:14:03.285 --> 00:14:05.825 there and you can just like swipe and it'll like auto complete the 00:14:05.825 --> 00:14:06.865 stuff that you wanted to write. 00:14:07.425 --> 00:14:09.945 so I have been having just like tons of fun. 00:14:10.780 --> 00:14:13.370 Hacking directly from my phone, which is just mind blowing. 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:15.550 Colin: you use Vim on your phone? 00:14:16.420 --> 00:14:17.580 CJ: I do not know. 00:14:18.380 --> 00:14:18.840 yeah. 00:14:18.890 --> 00:14:19.800 that would be cool though. 00:14:19.800 --> 00:14:20.850 Colin: that would be cool 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:21.480 CJ: don't know. 00:14:22.130 --> 00:14:23.860 Yeah, I feel like I, I don't know. 00:14:23.880 --> 00:14:26.100 I want to try, like voice coding. 00:14:26.210 --> 00:14:31.063 I'll drop a link to this talk, but, Emily, One of my former coworkers 00:14:31.063 --> 00:14:35.523 from App Academy, she gave a talk called whale quench and it's all about 00:14:35.583 --> 00:14:38.303 like writing code with your voice. 00:14:38.403 --> 00:14:43.843 Using like dragon dictation and a couple other things to, yeah, just write code 00:14:43.843 --> 00:14:45.223 with your voice instead of having to type. 00:14:45.683 --> 00:14:48.213 And I think we're getting much, much closer to that being 00:14:48.373 --> 00:14:49.983 like a very serious reality. 00:14:50.153 --> 00:14:52.513 Colin: I think we've said this on this podcast multiple times, but there's 00:14:52.523 --> 00:14:57.153 those scenes in Avengers movies of Tony dictating to Jarvis and he's 00:14:57.153 --> 00:15:00.253 trying to figure out time travel and it's just nope, don't change that 00:15:00.253 --> 00:15:01.893 input, change that, run it again. 00:15:01.903 --> 00:15:05.333 And especially Advent of Code, like if you could do Advent of Code purely 00:15:05.333 --> 00:15:09.378 by voice, I feel like that's maybe next year's challenge, is do it 00:15:09.378 --> 00:15:11.818 on a live stream, do it all voice. 00:15:12.083 --> 00:15:16.963 use 11 labs, use, all these different transcription things that are out 00:15:16.963 --> 00:15:21.463 there and just see what you can do, especially when you feed it with AI. 00:15:21.473 --> 00:15:25.223 I think the challenge is you don't want to give the problem to the AI 00:15:25.223 --> 00:15:26.443 because it'll just do it for you. 00:15:26.453 --> 00:15:31.413 But making sure that the only input is your voice and then you also have 00:15:31.413 --> 00:15:35.403 to describe what you want to do in a proper way, which I think you learn 00:15:35.403 --> 00:15:38.983 a lot when you're trying to describe what your brain is doing out loud. 00:15:39.332 --> 00:15:39.562 CJ: Yeah. 00:15:39.562 --> 00:15:44.932 One of the ideas I've had recently is to build a Vim plugin where you, you 00:15:44.932 --> 00:15:47.812 hold down a key or something, and then you just start talking and it'll make a 00:15:47.812 --> 00:15:53.132 comment in whatever language you're in and it'll just dictate the into a comment. 00:15:53.182 --> 00:15:55.542 And then when you stop dictation, you hit enter. 00:15:55.892 --> 00:15:58.972 That'll get sent off to co pilot, which we'll try to figure out the 00:15:58.972 --> 00:16:00.772 right snippet to fill in that spot. 00:16:01.192 --> 00:16:03.952 I think that'd be a pretty fun little thing to play around with 00:16:04.925 --> 00:16:05.815 Colin: what else are you building? 00:16:06.490 --> 00:16:06.840 CJ: Oh yeah. 00:16:06.890 --> 00:16:08.480 Kraftwerk is expanding. 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.290 We're expanding to other markets. 00:16:10.830 --> 00:16:16.510 And that means that our application needs to handle projects for people 00:16:16.510 --> 00:16:17.660 that are not just in Charlotte. 00:16:17.730 --> 00:16:21.210 So maybe they're going to be in, another city. 00:16:21.380 --> 00:16:24.300 And that other city will have a whole different set of support 00:16:24.300 --> 00:16:28.900 staff and resources and they might support different types of projects. 00:16:28.910 --> 00:16:30.290 They might have different pricing models. 00:16:30.290 --> 00:16:34.640 They might have different marketing things, different Google business pages. 00:16:34.690 --> 00:16:39.540 One common challenge, like with any app that's going to go through multi 00:16:39.550 --> 00:16:43.353 region support like this, or even sometimes if you start with users and 00:16:43.353 --> 00:16:47.893 then you need to go to accounts where you have an account with multiple users. 00:16:48.073 --> 00:16:50.863 You end up with an account switcher type thing where Oh, am I looking 00:16:50.863 --> 00:16:54.853 at my work account or my personal account for one password or for 00:16:54.853 --> 00:16:56.493 your Google suite or whatever? 00:16:56.923 --> 00:17:00.693 So now we will have to have the concept of which market are you looking at? 00:17:00.743 --> 00:17:02.973 Is this, are we looking at the entire business? 00:17:02.973 --> 00:17:05.613 Are we looking at a specific city? 00:17:05.803 --> 00:17:13.568 And then if you have a User can that customer buy projects in multiple cities? 00:17:13.578 --> 00:17:17.178 So now you have Oh gosh, you can't necessarily tie a customer to a 00:17:17.178 --> 00:17:20.438 specific city, but you do want a project to be tied to a specific city 00:17:20.438 --> 00:17:24.548 because likely the painters are only in one city, but, maybe you have a 00:17:24.558 --> 00:17:26.358 support staff that work across cities. 00:17:26.418 --> 00:17:29.588 That's been, yeah, it's a project for December is like going through 00:17:29.588 --> 00:17:33.878 and adding market to all of the applicable things and trying to figure 00:17:33.878 --> 00:17:36.058 out how to split out, that concept. 00:17:36.888 --> 00:17:37.158 Colin: Nice. 00:17:37.178 --> 00:17:42.358 So you'll probably have a market drop down for admin and like professionals, 00:17:42.358 --> 00:17:45.158 but then the users just like Airbnb. 00:17:45.158 --> 00:17:47.098 I don't necessarily set a specific locale. 00:17:47.098 --> 00:17:50.708 But when I'm looking for a place, I go search in that place. 00:17:50.708 --> 00:17:53.058 And yeah, that's interesting. 00:17:53.458 --> 00:17:54.138 CJ: yeah, exactly. 00:17:54.138 --> 00:17:55.948 Like a customer will probably go to the craftwork. 00:17:55.948 --> 00:17:56.918 com slash. 00:17:57.293 --> 00:18:01.263 Reno or something, and that would pull up all of the services that 00:18:01.263 --> 00:18:02.703 are offered by Kraftwerk in Reno. 00:18:03.063 --> 00:18:07.453 And then you could book and the calculator would reflect the prices in Reno and 00:18:07.453 --> 00:18:11.643 your message would be sent to the sales rep in Reno and the reporting would 00:18:11.643 --> 00:18:13.403 go to the general manager in Reno. 00:18:13.718 --> 00:18:16.958 and you as a customer would think, oh, I'm just interacting with Kraft Fork. 00:18:17.018 --> 00:18:20.748 But behind the scenes we would need to break out how are these quotes routed 00:18:20.748 --> 00:18:22.668 and where do the notifications go? 00:18:22.668 --> 00:18:26.598 Which Slack channel and which Slack organization and all this different stuff. 00:18:26.648 --> 00:18:29.738 Colin: Yeah, this might be an interesting conversation to chat about 00:18:29.738 --> 00:18:33.808 craftwork in general, but the thing that I've been finding myself wanting, 00:18:33.828 --> 00:18:37.248 especially in this giant building, like this is a 6, 000 square foot 00:18:37.248 --> 00:18:43.278 building, and I need to manage all these individual things that have to be done. 00:18:43.538 --> 00:18:46.678 You have to face the same in any house and things, but the idea of 00:18:46.728 --> 00:18:49.328 as a user, adding my properties. 00:18:49.833 --> 00:18:55.163 And those properties have maybe lawns, sprinklers, gutters, 00:18:55.213 --> 00:18:57.563 paint, whatever, right? 00:18:57.573 --> 00:19:00.433 And being able to be like, Hey, it's probably time to have 00:19:00.433 --> 00:19:01.933 these things like HVAC, right? 00:19:01.933 --> 00:19:03.063 Servicing time. 00:19:03.453 --> 00:19:06.063 It's almost like this, like operating system for a building. 00:19:06.073 --> 00:19:08.903 Cause I find what it's just yeah, we fix things when it breaks 00:19:08.953 --> 00:19:11.033 rather than looking at them all. 00:19:11.468 --> 00:19:14.698 like going to the doctor and being more preventative, right? 00:19:14.748 --> 00:19:17.458 There's not a lot of preventative stuff with either cars, 00:19:17.468 --> 00:19:18.628 houses, things like that. 00:19:18.658 --> 00:19:22.618 And I find this wanting to do this for my house and my vehicle. 00:19:22.688 --> 00:19:24.168 It's it's time to get an oil change. 00:19:24.178 --> 00:19:25.118 It's time to do this. 00:19:25.498 --> 00:19:26.803 It's time to get your house painted. 00:19:27.253 --> 00:19:30.663 Which could be interesting for you guys to know that this user has these 00:19:30.683 --> 00:19:34.733 properties in these markets and they also have a property or maybe there's 00:19:34.733 --> 00:19:38.243 a user who created an account and put a property in a market you don't 00:19:38.243 --> 00:19:42.873 support yet so that they can know notify me when Craftwork is in my market. 00:19:43.708 --> 00:19:43.928 CJ: Yep. 00:19:43.993 --> 00:19:44.773 Colin: That'd be pretty cool. 00:19:45.203 --> 00:19:47.413 CJ: Yeah, if you want to know when we're in your market, you can go sign up for 00:19:47.413 --> 00:19:52.443 the waitlist, but that's totally something that I think we want to build is you 00:19:52.463 --> 00:19:56.413 can log in and see the inventory of your properties and know Oh, what color is on 00:19:56.413 --> 00:19:59.033 the wall in my, powder room or whatever. 00:19:59.393 --> 00:20:02.693 And then it's Oh, yeah, your powder room was painted in 2024. 00:20:02.743 --> 00:20:07.428 And it was painted this color by this, and this painter or something, and you 00:20:07.428 --> 00:20:11.118 can, here's the, a little button to reorder some touch up paint or here's, 00:20:11.158 --> 00:20:15.488 yeah, breakdown what comes to mind is HOA is they have this thing that they 00:20:15.488 --> 00:20:21.038 do in order to try to predict HOA dues over a long period, they go through, I 00:20:21.038 --> 00:20:23.958 think it's called like a capital reserve plan or something like this, where you 00:20:23.958 --> 00:20:31.038 have to figure out like, Oh, if we want to seal all the blacktop in this giant. 00:20:31.718 --> 00:20:35.308 Neighborhood, it's going to cost 10 grand and if we want to repaint 00:20:35.318 --> 00:20:39.068 all of the condos in this complex, it's going to cost 400 grand. 00:20:39.068 --> 00:20:43.098 And if we want to redo the, the pool, it's going to cost 500 grand or whatever they 00:20:43.098 --> 00:20:46.748 take that and they try to figure out how often those things need to be replaced. 00:20:47.118 --> 00:20:49.988 And then you can build out like an amortization schedule. 00:20:49.988 --> 00:20:50.718 That's okay. 00:20:51.228 --> 00:20:56.088 Every year, this is roughly how much it's going to cost to maintain the entire HOA. 00:20:56.438 --> 00:20:58.858 And then you can back out into fees from that. 00:20:58.858 --> 00:21:02.878 So you're not like surprised by Oh shoot, like the entire HOA needs a new roof now. 00:21:03.318 --> 00:21:09.338 And, now we've got to figure out how to whatever, collect a one 00:21:09.338 --> 00:21:13.458 time emergency payment to pay for X that wasn't planned for before. 00:21:13.898 --> 00:21:16.028 But yeah, I totally would love to see something like that. 00:21:16.268 --> 00:21:24.128 I wonder if it makes sense at like the individual homeowner level, as much 00:21:24.128 --> 00:21:28.008 as it makes sense as like a landlord who's managing or like property manager 00:21:28.008 --> 00:21:29.318 who's managing multiple properties. 00:21:29.328 --> 00:21:34.943 But yeah, in your case, you've got like a huge building that's Similar in that 00:21:34.963 --> 00:21:38.743 in many ways in that, things are going to need to be replaced every so often. 00:21:38.743 --> 00:21:40.123 And a lot of those are big ticket. 00:21:40.133 --> 00:21:44.563 And so how do you like schedule that out so that it's either, the financial 00:21:44.563 --> 00:21:49.083 impact isn't really big or like you can stay on top of the preventative 00:21:49.083 --> 00:21:52.173 maintenance, Oh, you get an alert that says you got to change the filters 00:21:52.173 --> 00:21:56.983 in the water system, or you get a, pour more salt into the whatever. 00:21:57.138 --> 00:21:57.988 Colin: Water softener. 00:21:57.988 --> 00:21:58.258 Yeah. 00:21:58.333 --> 00:21:58.573 CJ: Yeah. 00:21:58.573 --> 00:21:59.343 The water softener. 00:21:59.948 --> 00:22:00.308 Colin: Yep. 00:22:00.728 --> 00:22:01.468 Yeah, it's funny. 00:22:01.468 --> 00:22:04.878 I've watched a lot of DIY like TikTok, not TikTok, but 00:22:04.888 --> 00:22:06.768 Instagram and YouTube and things. 00:22:06.768 --> 00:22:10.688 And there was a house inspector and he believes that you should repaint your 00:22:10.688 --> 00:22:15.708 entire house inside every eight years and all these painters and contractors 00:22:15.708 --> 00:22:17.298 really having a fit in the comments. 00:22:17.668 --> 00:22:20.578 And the reason wasn't that your paint, your walls are like 00:22:20.598 --> 00:22:21.988 needing paint in eight years. 00:22:22.468 --> 00:22:26.818 The other way he described it was do one room per year and for most 00:22:26.818 --> 00:22:31.618 houses, eight years is going to mean that the whole house is returned 00:22:31.618 --> 00:22:33.488 over every eight years, right? 00:22:33.498 --> 00:22:35.158 The kitchen, the living room, whatever it might be. 00:22:35.853 --> 00:22:39.623 And the reason that you do that is that painting a room means 00:22:39.663 --> 00:22:43.323 pulling everything away from the walls, cleaning things, looking at 00:22:43.323 --> 00:22:44.683 things, figuring out what's broken. 00:22:44.683 --> 00:22:48.373 And you're room by room assessing and maintaining this thing that you have. 00:22:48.373 --> 00:22:52.253 And that you're, when you do an inspection, like your asset value is 00:22:52.253 --> 00:22:55.983 going to be higher than if you don't, and you're just going to have less issues. 00:22:55.983 --> 00:22:59.443 And when I think room by room, it's way more manageable than 00:22:59.443 --> 00:23:00.593 the entire building, right? 00:23:00.593 --> 00:23:03.293 It's cost wise, but also just, It's just mental load. 00:23:03.363 --> 00:23:06.873 It's just easier to take care of it that way and obviously things 00:23:06.873 --> 00:23:09.833 surprise you and there's leaks and all sorts of other things. 00:23:09.863 --> 00:23:10.793 But, yeah, 00:23:11.443 --> 00:23:16.913 CJ: I like that one room every year sounds manageable right now. 00:23:16.923 --> 00:23:19.263 What seems intimidating to me is like painting the outside. 00:23:19.263 --> 00:23:22.333 Cause that one feels like you can't really do one wall at a time. 00:23:22.783 --> 00:23:23.273 Like maybe 00:23:23.333 --> 00:23:24.013 Colin: all at once. 00:23:24.283 --> 00:23:26.453 CJ: Yeah, it's a, yeah, that's a one and done. 00:23:26.713 --> 00:23:31.233 It's also one of those things where I wish right when we moved in, when the 00:23:31.233 --> 00:23:33.643 house was empty, that we did two things. 00:23:33.943 --> 00:23:35.593 One of them was paint all the walls. 00:23:36.068 --> 00:23:41.848 And the other one was to refinish the wood floors, because in order to like 00:23:41.868 --> 00:23:45.618 work on the wood floors at all, we have to move everything out right like you 00:23:45.618 --> 00:23:50.548 have to basically move out of the floor that you're in, and then get the wood, 00:23:51.098 --> 00:23:53.278 the woodwork done and then move back in. 00:23:53.308 --> 00:23:56.548 I don't know how often you're supposed to refinish your floors But that feels 00:23:57.268 --> 00:24:00.728 like a big lift to get everything out and everything back in so 00:24:01.358 --> 00:24:04.498 Colin: that's another one where if you watch videos for refinishing wood 00:24:04.498 --> 00:24:08.118 floors, it doesn't look that hard, but probably pay someone to do it. 00:24:08.678 --> 00:24:09.328 CJ: oh for sure. 00:24:09.348 --> 00:24:09.638 Yeah. 00:24:10.438 --> 00:24:10.708 Yeah 00:24:10.708 --> 00:24:12.548 Colin: I've thought about it and I'm like, I don't know. 00:24:12.608 --> 00:24:15.608 This looks like it could go wrong, but so those are the things we're building. 00:24:15.808 --> 00:24:16.878 what are you working on? 00:24:16.978 --> 00:24:18.288 what are you learning this week? 00:24:19.108 --> 00:24:23.068 CJ: we went to the library this weekend and I picked up this book 00:24:23.118 --> 00:24:26.148 called how to outsmart your brain It was just like on the new nonfiction 00:24:26.148 --> 00:24:28.498 shelf and it is phenomenal. 00:24:28.568 --> 00:24:34.148 It's really good and I Was telling Nicole that before I take the next 00:24:35.248 --> 00:24:41.198 college class I want to reread this because there's so many really tactical 00:24:41.218 --> 00:24:47.348 tips and tricks for how to absorb as much as possible from a course or 00:24:47.348 --> 00:24:49.678 a lecture or even conference talks. 00:24:49.698 --> 00:24:50.148 Really. 00:24:50.948 --> 00:24:54.038 It talks about a lot of different cognitive biases that we have. 00:24:54.038 --> 00:24:57.978 And then also how the brain makes connections between ideas 00:24:57.978 --> 00:25:03.778 and concepts and how oftentimes podcasts or lectures are, linear. 00:25:04.208 --> 00:25:10.638 But they will often have some structure that you need to recreate in your own 00:25:10.648 --> 00:25:14.298 head to absorb as much as possible from the content that was being presented 00:25:14.298 --> 00:25:19.128 because we talk very linearly, but we're often trying to get across one big point 00:25:19.138 --> 00:25:21.658 that has maybe three to seven sub points. 00:25:21.658 --> 00:25:25.588 and yeah, just a lot of tips and tricks in there that I thought were really cool. 00:25:25.638 --> 00:25:28.578 it looks like you're also, you also got a book you're working through here. 00:25:29.343 --> 00:25:35.253 Colin: Yeah, I'm reading the City Authentic, which is a book about kind 00:25:35.253 --> 00:25:39.413 of urbanism and there's this trend that I think every city can probably relate 00:25:39.413 --> 00:25:44.773 to about how they try to attract people to come to their city and this idea 00:25:44.773 --> 00:25:46.763 of attention economy, but as cities. 00:25:46.963 --> 00:25:51.913 And, that there's, they're talking about a lot of the pitfalls that cities run into. 00:25:51.913 --> 00:25:57.023 I'm still pretty early in the book, but most of my reading list is like this new 00:25:57.043 --> 00:25:59.463 urbanism, new organization of cities. 00:25:59.723 --> 00:26:02.193 This book was written during the pandemic. 00:26:02.193 --> 00:26:05.193 So it's also more of a take on it. 00:26:05.303 --> 00:26:09.903 It was seeing the remote work trend more than it was before. 00:26:10.253 --> 00:26:13.103 And there's a lot of books in this category of Richard Florida is the 00:26:13.103 --> 00:26:16.853 creative city and things like that, where even Richard Florida wrote a book in 00:26:16.853 --> 00:26:22.143 2017 with everything I wrote is now wrong and not the state of the world anymore. 00:26:22.483 --> 00:26:24.993 which was what a lot of economic development authorities and 00:26:24.993 --> 00:26:26.513 cities are still reading that. 00:26:27.363 --> 00:26:28.943 from that book, right? 00:26:28.973 --> 00:26:32.013 And so there's been a lot of books since then and I'm really 00:26:32.013 --> 00:26:33.203 tempted to get this book. 00:26:33.223 --> 00:26:34.943 There's another one called The Naked City. 00:26:35.293 --> 00:26:39.403 There's a bunch of books from strong towns and I'm tempted to create like a package 00:26:39.403 --> 00:26:43.223 of books and just like anonymously send them to all of our city council people. 00:26:45.103 --> 00:26:48.413 And like Economic Development Authority, like I guess it doesn't have to be 00:26:48.413 --> 00:26:52.683 anonymous, but yeah, I don't know if they'll be threatened by it or if they'll 00:26:52.683 --> 00:26:54.123 be like, wow, we should read these. 00:26:54.672 --> 00:26:59.842 CJ: I know that, Edon in particular was very interested in bringing companies 00:26:59.842 --> 00:27:05.222 and bringing businesses and attracting folks to Reno, what part did the 00:27:05.222 --> 00:27:07.292 Reno collective play in that process? 00:27:07.322 --> 00:27:11.332 And were you collaborating with them or yeah, like you obviously 00:27:11.332 --> 00:27:14.442 want members to come that are going to work from the collective. 00:27:15.212 --> 00:27:18.612 Colin: that one's tricky because, so most economic development authorities 00:27:18.732 --> 00:27:25.002 are or like they have a key metric of, square footage and number of 00:27:25.002 --> 00:27:30.892 jobs, which is slightly at odds with knowledge work because you do not need, 00:27:31.502 --> 00:27:35.222 a warehouse and a huge army of employees. 00:27:35.822 --> 00:27:38.972 But if that's what their goal is, they'll say that they want 00:27:39.152 --> 00:27:41.112 startups and things like that. 00:27:41.122 --> 00:27:43.322 But to be honest, that's not their main goal. 00:27:43.722 --> 00:27:46.752 I think a lot of them realize that you need a mix of all of those things 00:27:46.762 --> 00:27:50.492 like in Reno and in Nevada General, we're trying to diversify away from 00:27:50.492 --> 00:27:57.122 gaming and so innovation of all types, but every city has an Innovation plan 00:27:57.142 --> 00:28:00.492 an innovation district, you know all these different things and he brings 00:28:00.492 --> 00:28:05.622 that up in this book, too Where every city is doing the same things and so 00:28:05.622 --> 00:28:06.812 they're all being like look at me. 00:28:06.812 --> 00:28:07.372 Look at me. 00:28:07.462 --> 00:28:09.967 We're now That's place for startups. 00:28:09.967 --> 00:28:12.517 And now with the remote work, it's you might not want to be in New 00:28:12.517 --> 00:28:17.347 York, but now you want to be in this like small rural town in New York 00:28:17.347 --> 00:28:19.127 that also has fiber or whatever. 00:28:19.807 --> 00:28:22.957 but you're still going to see concentrations of workers in places 00:28:22.957 --> 00:28:26.787 like LA and New York and Chicago, because they're cities and there's 00:28:26.787 --> 00:28:30.037 so much stuff in those cities for people to do outside of work. 00:28:30.407 --> 00:28:33.217 And so you have this attention economy of culture being the 00:28:33.217 --> 00:28:34.787 reason why people move to places. 00:28:35.167 --> 00:28:38.597 and technically, and you probably have seen that you moved recently, 00:28:38.597 --> 00:28:41.207 but we are moving less than ever. 00:28:41.277 --> 00:28:44.497 And it used to be, you would move out of town because it got too expensive 00:28:44.497 --> 00:28:45.867 and you'd go somewhere cheaper. 00:28:46.247 --> 00:28:49.707 And then you have a list of things you want to look at to see which cities 00:28:49.707 --> 00:28:53.547 check all the boxes, but we just aren't moving as often as we used to. 00:28:53.547 --> 00:28:57.582 And so what do you do in cities where You know, some of those 00:28:57.582 --> 00:28:58.982 people aren't going to leave. 00:28:59.052 --> 00:29:05.252 I think it focuses on a town called Troy in New York and While they've 00:29:05.252 --> 00:29:09.682 seen some increase in population, it's like pales in comparison to 00:29:09.682 --> 00:29:13.622 the increase of people moving to New York City and like big metros. 00:29:14.112 --> 00:29:17.732 but the thing that stood out the most so far is when you try to build 00:29:17.732 --> 00:29:22.752 like the cool area of town, like usually it's built by the locals. 00:29:22.762 --> 00:29:23.962 It's very authentic. 00:29:23.962 --> 00:29:27.227 It's, you know, uh, third wave coffee shop. 00:29:27.237 --> 00:29:28.327 It's a cool bookstore. 00:29:28.327 --> 00:29:30.607 It's a cool record store, all these different things. 00:29:30.997 --> 00:29:36.207 Well, almost always that gets press and news, which then starts 00:29:36.207 --> 00:29:38.717 to create real estate speculation. 00:29:38.887 --> 00:29:42.597 The thing that was authentic and made the name for the city or for that 00:29:42.617 --> 00:29:49.017 area becomes, chain restaurants and the very thing that it was trying to 00:29:49.067 --> 00:29:53.187 counter in the first place and then it becomes yet another urban, core. 00:29:53.547 --> 00:29:57.747 And then it starts all over again with the authentic, bookstore that's not 00:29:57.837 --> 00:29:59.997 in the expensive part of town, right? 00:29:59.997 --> 00:30:03.297 Because you can't be in the expensive area when you're starting. 00:30:03.347 --> 00:30:07.247 And so it's just this vicious cycle and like, how do we break that a little bit? 00:30:07.257 --> 00:30:11.737 So still reading it, we'll see where it goes, but this is the kind of stuff 00:30:11.737 --> 00:30:12.937 I think about when I'm not coding. 00:30:21.347 --> 00:30:25.477 CJ: were in a, if you were in a situation where you could move. 00:30:26.047 --> 00:30:32.837 Or you could try to make your town, the awesome, authentic, unassuming town that 00:30:32.837 --> 00:30:36.547 you want it to be, then what moves would you make and how would you invest your 00:30:36.547 --> 00:30:38.197 time and your efforts and your energy? 00:30:38.247 --> 00:30:42.012 recently we went to a town in New Hampshire. 00:30:42.412 --> 00:30:45.302 I'm not going to name it actually, because it was awesome. 00:30:45.362 --> 00:30:46.702 It was so cool. 00:30:46.702 --> 00:30:53.022 It was like quaint and had this exactly like you said, had a sick, like bookstore 00:30:53.022 --> 00:30:57.772 that had this giant selection of used books and then we went to, like a 00:30:57.832 --> 00:31:01.172 vegan restaurant that was amazing. 00:31:01.232 --> 00:31:04.782 It was like, really good lunch spot that had options for all of us. 00:31:04.782 --> 00:31:10.242 they had a Yarn store for nicole and she picked up like some knitting stuff and 00:31:10.242 --> 00:31:12.072 there was like a little apothecary spot. 00:31:12.082 --> 00:31:13.292 And so like I don't know it 00:31:13.392 --> 00:31:14.072 Colin: of a store is 00:31:14.262 --> 00:31:19.132 CJ: Yeah, it was very, very witchy kind of cool hipster town out in the middle 00:31:19.132 --> 00:31:20.512 of, in the middle of New Hampshire. 00:31:20.512 --> 00:31:21.582 That was very awesome. 00:31:22.182 --> 00:31:23.922 Colin: Yeah, you gotta protect those things. 00:31:24.262 --> 00:31:24.742 CJ: yes. 00:31:25.555 --> 00:31:29.515 So when I was first learning Ruby I would listen to Ruby rogues. 00:31:29.605 --> 00:31:33.545 And one of the hosts of Ruby rogues was Avdi Grim. 00:31:34.145 --> 00:31:37.855 And he's got a new site called graceful dev or graceful. 00:31:37.855 --> 00:31:41.485 dev, where a lot of the content is the old ruby tapas, but there's 00:31:41.485 --> 00:31:44.405 also a bunch of like little course paths that you can go through. 00:31:44.955 --> 00:31:49.115 I think the intention of setting up graceful dev was to organize 00:31:49.115 --> 00:31:51.475 all of ruby tapas into these paths. 00:31:51.845 --> 00:31:52.485 Because. 00:31:53.025 --> 00:31:56.855 Ruby tapas were all meant to be these like short bite sized tiny little 00:31:57.545 --> 00:32:03.910 videos about Ruby That would work independent, but, people were craving 00:32:04.320 --> 00:32:06.380 a more organized way to go through it. 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.650 And so I've been going through some of the, the paths on there. 00:32:09.650 --> 00:32:12.870 And I haven't watched any of these stuff for a long time. 00:32:12.870 --> 00:32:14.680 So now I'm having a great time. 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:20.020 Like He goes through some really obscure language features and, some really 00:32:20.020 --> 00:32:24.490 cool approaches to writing code with Ruby that I, yeah, I'm learning a ton 00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:29.470 from, so thought if you're, yeah, if you're a Rubyist and you want to more 00:32:29.470 --> 00:32:33.930 screencasts, if there aren't enough already, then, yeah, go check it out. 00:32:34.230 --> 00:32:34.670 Graceful. 00:32:34.735 --> 00:32:35.035 Colin: cool. 00:32:35.345 --> 00:32:36.435 The return of Avdi. 00:32:36.495 --> 00:32:37.255 that's exciting. 00:32:37.650 --> 00:32:38.040 CJ: Yeah. 00:32:38.790 --> 00:32:41.440 And you, I think, did we mention screencasting. 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:42.450 com in the last one? 00:32:42.945 --> 00:32:46.690 Colin: We mentioned that, that it existed. 00:32:46.810 --> 00:32:48.240 but I did buy it. 00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:52.590 I think it's worth it at any price, but I did fall for the Black Friday deal. 00:32:52.590 --> 00:32:54.000 So thank you, Aaron. 00:32:55.710 --> 00:32:56.420 and I have it. 00:32:56.420 --> 00:32:57.910 I've started listening to it. 00:32:58.190 --> 00:33:02.240 I'm really excited to just see like the shortcuts for the tooling that they, like 00:33:02.270 --> 00:33:05.170 the software that, that he uses to record. 00:33:05.520 --> 00:33:08.930 Cause he tries to record in a way, I think very similar to you. 00:33:09.425 --> 00:33:14.545 where you don't have to edit too much and just like shortcuts and 00:33:14.845 --> 00:33:19.655 scripts to reset your desktop, record, lots of takes that can be stitched 00:33:19.655 --> 00:33:20.715 together and things like that. 00:33:20.785 --> 00:33:22.245 At least that's, I think how he does it. 00:33:22.245 --> 00:33:25.385 Cause I've seen some like jump cuts and stuff in his videos. 00:33:25.415 --> 00:33:26.435 And it's you just drop it. 00:33:26.445 --> 00:33:30.165 And for the most part, the frame looks the same, so it doesn't matter. 00:33:31.185 --> 00:33:31.645 CJ: Sweet. 00:33:31.865 --> 00:33:34.145 Colin: your, cinematic production value out of it. 00:33:34.175 --> 00:33:36.905 So yeah, we'll see how it 00:33:36.955 --> 00:33:40.335 CJ: I'm really keen to hear how that goes does he cover live streaming 00:33:40.335 --> 00:33:41.865 at all or is it all pre recorded 00:33:42.455 --> 00:33:43.815 Colin: think it's mostly prerecorded. 00:33:43.815 --> 00:33:48.055 He doesn't do a lot of he, maybe he does a little bit of live stream stuff, 00:33:48.145 --> 00:33:51.555 live streaming I think also helps to develop this muscle cause you. 00:33:51.780 --> 00:33:57.590 Don't get to cut or go back, which is I think why I've hesitated to just turn 00:33:57.590 --> 00:34:00.090 it on and do it with screencasting. 00:34:00.100 --> 00:34:01.300 You can always make yourself look good. 00:34:01.310 --> 00:34:02.530 You can always take things out. 00:34:02.530 --> 00:34:03.520 You can always reshoot. 00:34:04.020 --> 00:34:09.100 but I think live stream is good for me to just get over the no one cares. 00:34:09.455 --> 00:34:13.185 Obviously a point where yes, you will eventually if you're like primogen 00:34:13.185 --> 00:34:15.645 or one of these people, like you're going to have hecklers and things, 00:34:15.645 --> 00:34:19.345 but it's also a little bit of primogens like brand at this point. 00:34:19.345 --> 00:34:25.245 So we have this like streaming heckler programming group out there. 00:34:25.985 --> 00:34:26.395 CJ: Yeah. 00:34:27.025 --> 00:34:27.465 Colin: So 00:34:28.435 --> 00:34:33.505 CJ: Yeah, it's definitely a good way to, share your process too. 00:34:33.535 --> 00:34:38.975 Cause I think sometimes people in screencasts, me too, I'll have something 00:34:38.975 --> 00:34:40.715 pretty polished by the time I record. 00:34:41.235 --> 00:34:46.915 And so you won't see the errors or the the approaches that were thrown away, like the 00:34:46.915 --> 00:34:48.795 drafts that didn't make it into the final. 00:34:49.165 --> 00:34:49.765 version. 00:34:49.795 --> 00:34:53.935 So I try to leave like errors and things in and talk about how I approach things, 00:34:53.935 --> 00:34:57.915 but I, you don't get the same in a pre record video as you do from a live stream. 00:34:57.915 --> 00:34:58.235 So 00:34:58.665 --> 00:34:58.995 Colin: Yeah. 00:34:59.005 --> 00:35:01.615 some of these advent of code ones, if I was making a video, 00:35:01.615 --> 00:35:02.955 it'd be a very long video. 00:35:03.325 --> 00:35:06.185 So we're like, Oh, we're throwing stuff away. 00:35:06.185 --> 00:35:08.775 I noticed that because you already solve them before you 00:35:08.785 --> 00:35:10.965 screencast them, which is nice. 00:35:11.015 --> 00:35:14.605 and you still get a lot of the thought process, which goes on. 00:35:14.605 --> 00:35:19.335 And, if you record it shortly after doing it, you don't really lose too much. 00:35:19.755 --> 00:35:21.505 but then we benefit from a shorter video. 00:35:22.245 --> 00:35:23.085 CJ: Yeah, exactly. 00:35:23.085 --> 00:35:25.035 And usually I'll solve it and then I'll. 00:35:25.395 --> 00:35:26.565 Go look at solutions. 00:35:27.255 --> 00:35:31.005 And then I will also, I've been recently, I've been taking my code 00:35:31.045 --> 00:35:34.185 and giving to chat GPT and being like, give me feedback on this. 00:35:34.185 --> 00:35:35.315 Like, how can I make this better? 00:35:35.825 --> 00:35:38.445 And, sometimes it's Oh, did you know about this method? 00:35:38.445 --> 00:35:41.445 Or did you try naming the variables this way or whatever? 00:35:41.445 --> 00:35:42.075 I'm like, Oh, wow. 00:35:42.075 --> 00:35:43.395 That's, those are like really helpful. 00:35:43.435 --> 00:35:46.955 So then I try to incorporate all that so that the advice comes 00:35:46.955 --> 00:35:49.525 out a little bit more pro than just me hacking on something. 00:35:49.755 --> 00:35:52.905 Colin: Yeah, I need to do that with my Python because this is I'm using 00:35:52.915 --> 00:35:54.775 like a blunt hammer with Python. 00:35:54.785 --> 00:35:57.135 I'm like, this is the only methods I know. 00:35:57.135 --> 00:36:00.125 So we're going to use these and it'll be good to know, hey, you 00:36:00.125 --> 00:36:01.455 can write this in a better way. 00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:03.650 CJ: Yeah. 00:36:03.650 --> 00:36:07.500 I remember when I learned Python, someone told me that with Ruby, 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.500 it's like finger painting. 00:36:08.510 --> 00:36:11.460 You can be really creative and there's lots of different ways to do stuff. 00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:15.600 And, you can be really, you can almost express your, like your personality 00:36:15.600 --> 00:36:19.630 through the code you write and Python is just like laying bricks, there's just 00:36:19.630 --> 00:36:24.060 like a for loop and then there's list comprehensions and there's functions 00:36:24.080 --> 00:36:27.140 and there's classes and there's like a handful of language features, but 00:36:27.140 --> 00:36:31.060 really it is just There is basically one way to do things in the language. 00:36:31.070 --> 00:36:33.260 And you just, once you learn that way, you just do it that way. 00:36:33.260 --> 00:36:38.080 Whereas like the enumerable module in Ruby probably has 50 different methods 00:36:38.080 --> 00:36:40.020 now or something, wild that let you do, 00:36:40.020 --> 00:36:44.500 Colin: I think that the syntactical sugar of Ruby is so apparent when I look at 00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:48.460 your videos compared to my solutions, I'm still usually following the same 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:52.460 train of thought, but then I'm like, I guess I got to use this one tool in my 00:36:52.460 --> 00:36:58.130 toolbox, but I'm still getting used to, doing Ifs and blocks have to have colons 00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:01.940 at the end, and there's no ending of it because it's all indentation based. 00:37:02.300 --> 00:37:06.210 Because I'm like writing my end or creating like braces and I'm like, no, 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:07.630 this is the wrong language for that. 00:37:08.560 --> 00:37:11.090 going between Ruby, Python, and JavaScript, those are 00:37:11.090 --> 00:37:13.090 very different for sure. 00:37:14.105 --> 00:37:14.535 CJ: Totally. 00:37:15.690 --> 00:37:16.160 Colin: Awesome. 00:37:16.270 --> 00:37:19.510 we went from having not a lot to talk about to having a lot to talk about, 00:37:20.130 --> 00:37:20.480 CJ: yeah. 00:37:20.740 --> 00:37:22.730 As always, you can head over to buildandlearn. 00:37:22.730 --> 00:37:25.560 dev to check out links to all the resources and things we 00:37:25.560 --> 00:37:26.860 mentioned in the show notes. 00:37:27.605 --> 00:37:28.085 Colin: Awesome. 00:37:28.085 --> 00:37:28.835 Thanks everybody. 00:37:28.835 --> 00:37:29.625 We'll see you next time. 00:37:30.560 --> 00:37:31.040 CJ: Bye friends.