WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:14.289 --> 00:00:15.819 Mikki: so Cameron, what are we talking about today? 00:00:16.209 --> 00:00:16.779 Are we recording? 00:00:17.049 --> 00:00:17.859 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:00:17.859 --> 00:00:18.549 I'll just put it on. 00:00:19.149 --> 00:00:19.299 Great. 00:00:20.034 --> 00:00:20.904 Cam: So where are we? 00:00:20.904 --> 00:00:25.784 Were at Urbanaut another brewery again, in where are we? 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:27.289 Mikki: city of Sales Auckland. 00:00:27.389 --> 00:00:27.809 Yes. 00:00:28.209 --> 00:00:28.849 Kingsland, even 00:00:29.024 --> 00:00:29.184 Cam: Yeah. 00:00:29.184 --> 00:00:29.344 Yeah. 00:00:29.344 --> 00:00:29.654 More locally. 00:00:29.654 --> 00:00:30.164 Kingsland. 00:00:30.164 --> 00:00:30.344 Yeah. 00:00:30.344 --> 00:00:31.934 Which, where we were last time. 00:00:31.934 --> 00:00:32.534 We were recorded. 00:00:32.729 --> 00:00:32.939 Mikki: Yeah. 00:00:33.699 --> 00:00:37.349 No, you, no, we were, we were in Mount Eden. 00:00:37.364 --> 00:00:38.684 Cam: done so many episodes now. 00:00:38.849 --> 00:00:40.229 Mikki: I know we're getting confused. 00:00:40.379 --> 00:00:45.239 I will say though, I was here three weeks ago just before the Auckland 00:00:46.199 --> 00:00:49.979 Marathon or Half Marathon that I did Baz of the Marathon, and that's when I 00:00:50.639 --> 00:00:54.209 realized that Urbanaut was Urban Ought. 00:00:55.364 --> 00:00:56.054 Cam: Oh yeah. 00:00:56.309 --> 00:00:57.659 Mikki: As in City Urban? 00:00:58.364 --> 00:00:58.874 Cam: Oh, yes. 00:00:59.024 --> 00:01:00.194 Oh, oh, cool. 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:00.779 Mikki: Yeah, 00:01:01.964 --> 00:01:02.554 Cam: that was a. 00:01:03.044 --> 00:01:04.124 That's the one you tried? 00:01:04.184 --> 00:01:04.454 What is 00:01:04.479 --> 00:01:04.719 Mikki: is it? 00:01:04.739 --> 00:01:05.639 Marshmallow? 00:01:05.644 --> 00:01:06.299 Yes. 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:06.629 Yes. 00:01:06.629 --> 00:01:08.539 Strawberry Pavlova 00:01:08.594 --> 00:01:09.794 Cam: Oh, strawberry pavlova. 00:01:09.794 --> 00:01:09.994 Yeah. 00:01:09.994 --> 00:01:10.154 Yeah. 00:01:10.154 --> 00:01:10.474 I like it. 00:01:10.479 --> 00:01:10.964 Yeah, it's yum. 00:01:12.636 --> 00:01:14.136 Oh, so yeah, the marathon. 00:01:14.396 --> 00:01:16.436 , why don't you start with your updates? 00:01:17.181 --> 00:01:17.851 Mikki: Awesome. 00:01:17.941 --> 00:01:19.956 Cam: you start with your awesome marathon that you did? 00:01:20.171 --> 00:01:20.561 Mikki: Okay. 00:01:20.771 --> 00:01:25.511 So as you know, potentially the listener might know, but they might not. 00:01:25.631 --> 00:01:26.261 But I know, you 00:01:26.476 --> 00:01:27.446 Cam: they've probably seen you on TV or 00:01:27.691 --> 00:01:27.891 Mikki: something. 00:01:27.896 --> 00:01:28.511 Yeah, probably. 00:01:28.583 --> 00:01:28.883 I was 00:01:29.008 --> 00:01:30.338 Cam: a small TV they carry around in their 00:01:30.543 --> 00:01:31.643 Mikki: head . Exactly. 00:01:31.729 --> 00:01:31.999 So. 00:01:32.914 --> 00:01:35.824 I've been training for this marathon forever, actually, 00:01:36.274 --> 00:01:36.604 since 00:01:36.604 --> 00:01:39.664 like July, which is actually my whole life, which is actually 00:01:39.669 --> 00:01:41.764 like quite a long period of time. 00:01:42.154 --> 00:01:45.694 But I got really good training in like when we were away in LA I was, 00:01:46.084 --> 00:01:49.684 other than a couple of runs, one I was sick and one with my Achilles. 00:01:49.954 --> 00:01:50.494 Couldn't do. 00:01:51.214 --> 00:01:51.844 I was great. 00:01:52.084 --> 00:01:57.334 And so my goal was to do a Boston qualifier, which was easy for me. 00:01:57.394 --> 00:02:01.534 Like three hours and 50 is, it would have to be catastrophic for that to. 00:02:02.294 --> 00:02:03.184 For me not to do that. 00:02:03.424 --> 00:02:08.194 And so my actual goal was sub 3 30, 3 30 and below, and I 00:02:08.194 --> 00:02:09.604 knew that I could do three 30. 00:02:10.594 --> 00:02:16.174 And I never allowed myself to imagine going above that actually, 00:02:16.264 --> 00:02:17.374 you know, like, I'm going 00:02:17.404 --> 00:02:17.804 Cam: going faster 00:02:17.884 --> 00:02:18.004 Mikki: you. 00:02:18.244 --> 00:02:19.414 No, no, sorry, going slower. 00:02:19.474 --> 00:02:21.094 I'm like, oh no, of course I'm gonna do three 30. 00:02:21.094 --> 00:02:25.084 Like, I didn't even make it an option for me to consider that I would be slower. 00:02:26.404 --> 00:02:29.811 And so when prior to that, I'd done my Park run, which. 00:02:31.071 --> 00:02:36.471 A sub, my sub 20 part run, so 1932, which I was really stoked with. 00:02:37.611 --> 00:02:40.581 And prior to that I hadn't done sub 20 in years. 00:02:41.241 --> 00:02:44.219 And I thought, okay, I'm obviously fit enough. 00:02:45.089 --> 00:02:48.449 And then I just had such a good feeling, the lead up to the marathon. 00:02:48.449 --> 00:02:52.619 I didn't get any of those usual nervous, un uncertain 00:02:52.619 --> 00:02:53.759 feelings that you always know. 00:02:53.789 --> 00:02:55.399 You know what it's like, you know that you are. 00:02:56.204 --> 00:02:57.434 So you just dunno how you're gonna go. 00:02:57.434 --> 00:03:00.284 But I never even entertained the thought that it would be a bad race. 00:03:00.824 --> 00:03:01.904 I was like, of course it's gonna be good. 00:03:02.204 --> 00:03:04.334 I just dunno how good actually. 00:03:04.604 --> 00:03:09.027 So I took out all unknowns with regards to the nutrition stuff. 00:03:09.837 --> 00:03:12.477 Kept it like really simple low residue diets. 00:03:12.477 --> 00:03:17.157 So low vegetable intake the day before just had a u can bar and a banana. 00:03:17.817 --> 00:03:19.887 The morning of had two hours in between. 00:03:20.067 --> 00:03:22.287 Got the toilet stop I needed and then. 00:03:23.122 --> 00:03:27.042 There were no pacers and I was relying on a three 30 pacer, but there was none. 00:03:27.702 --> 00:03:32.682 And so I was there with my mate Tom, who had put in his pace of pro a 3 25 time, 00:03:32.687 --> 00:03:34.092 which I thought was quite ambitious. 00:03:34.752 --> 00:03:35.292 Even for me. 00:03:35.292 --> 00:03:36.402 I'm like, oh, I'm not sure. 00:03:36.762 --> 00:03:40.302 And then our other friend, Emma, who was gunning for a three 30 00:03:40.302 --> 00:03:41.592 or below, but wasn't quite sure. 00:03:42.372 --> 00:03:47.472 So we all started out together and then we were fine until nine k. 00:03:47.472 --> 00:03:48.882 I just needed a quick loose. 00:03:48.900 --> 00:03:50.446 Like an in and out 30 seconds. 00:03:50.446 --> 00:03:53.986 And so I lost Tom at that time, but I was still on pace. 00:03:53.986 --> 00:03:57.556 And in fact, I think I went through, Emma and I were together for the first 00:03:57.556 --> 00:04:04.546 24 K and we went through halfway at about one hour and 43 or something. 00:04:05.506 --> 00:04:11.986 And then my goal was to just get to about 32 K and on a sub 30, 00:04:12.016 --> 00:04:14.296 30 pace and then see how fast I. 00:04:15.721 --> 00:04:18.721 and, but actually at about 24 k, I just started running 00:04:19.171 --> 00:04:21.241 about 10 seconds a k faster. 00:04:21.751 --> 00:04:25.021 Just, it just felt it was hard, but actually really loved 00:04:25.026 --> 00:04:26.071 the feeling of it being hard. 00:04:26.371 --> 00:04:31.171 And you know, you and I talk both about mindset and about how you actually, 00:04:31.176 --> 00:04:34.321 like, you've just gotta get out of your own head a lot of the time and outta 00:04:34.321 --> 00:04:39.391 your own way when it comes to anything sport, nutrition, business related. 00:04:39.391 --> 00:04:42.661 And so the whole time I was thinking, man, this is hard, but. 00:04:44.956 --> 00:04:46.186 This is what I signed up for. 00:04:46.246 --> 00:04:49.156 So just enjoy the fact that it's hard and I'm here for it. 00:04:49.156 --> 00:04:53.866 So, and I was really like, really happy with that actually. 00:04:53.866 --> 00:04:56.476 It wasn't even a forced thought, it's just how I was thinking. 00:04:57.106 --> 00:05:02.185 And then I just started ticking people off and I was coming through and then at about 00:05:02.815 --> 00:05:08.335 36, and I was also thinking how grateful I was that I had no stomach issues. 00:05:09.280 --> 00:05:13.360 And then at 35 k I could see Tom up ahead again. 00:05:14.050 --> 00:05:15.970 And then I just gained on him. 00:05:15.970 --> 00:05:20.800 And then at 36 k I caught up to him and then we went through 37 K 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:26.770 together and then I passed him and then just ran and then just, and I was 00:05:26.770 --> 00:05:29.680 just running and that felt awesome. 00:05:29.740 --> 00:05:32.110 And I ended up with a 3 20, 2 31. 00:05:32.410 --> 00:05:32.620 Yeah. 00:05:32.620 --> 00:05:33.070 Awesome. 00:05:33.640 --> 00:05:36.103 Cam: And you could tell that you enjoyed it cuz you wouldn't 00:05:36.103 --> 00:05:37.423 shut up about it for days. 00:05:37.603 --> 00:05:41.173 Mikki: Days look and look at me like you, you just asked me about it and I gave 00:05:41.173 --> 00:05:45.253 you this like five minute, like monologue , rather than Oh yeah, it was sweet. 00:05:45.463 --> 00:05:47.997 Cam: And then one of your friends videoed you over the line and 00:05:47.997 --> 00:05:49.557 we, we watched that video. 00:05:49.797 --> 00:05:49.887 Yes. 00:05:50.097 --> 00:05:52.749 And then you just look stoked to be it's not stoked to be finishing 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:53.809 Mikki: stoked 00:05:53.829 --> 00:05:54.589 Cam: with your 00:05:54.624 --> 00:05:55.044 Mikki: and. 00:05:55.869 --> 00:05:57.219 Yeah, it was spot on. 00:05:57.309 --> 00:06:01.089 Like I was concerned at the start when Tom had put his Pacer pro in and said, 00:06:01.094 --> 00:06:04.839 let's run together for this time, because I wasn't sure that I could do that time. 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:08.499 But also, I didn't know that I could run the way he ran, cuz he likes to 00:06:08.504 --> 00:06:09.939 hit the downhills really quickly. 00:06:10.209 --> 00:06:10.269 Yeah. 00:06:10.599 --> 00:06:14.439 And I knew that I'd, if I'd done that on my quad would be smashed. 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:18.549 So I had to trust that I would catch him in the end. 00:06:18.729 --> 00:06:18.939 Cam: Yeah. 00:06:18.969 --> 00:06:19.569 You know what though? 00:06:19.569 --> 00:06:21.249 That could, that could be an opportunity. 00:06:21.549 --> 00:06:22.089 Mikki: for you. 00:06:22.119 --> 00:06:22.609 Yeah. 00:06:22.629 --> 00:06:24.009 Cam: to learn to run downhill. 00:06:24.339 --> 00:06:25.209 Hundred percent. 00:06:25.214 --> 00:06:28.239 Especially on a course like that because you, you say that your quads, 00:06:28.299 --> 00:06:31.539 but actually if you're running on the, if you're running well on a 00:06:31.539 --> 00:06:33.039 downhill, you just let your legs go 00:06:33.054 --> 00:06:33.214 Mikki: go. 00:06:33.939 --> 00:06:34.149 Cam: so 00:06:34.224 --> 00:06:34.884 Mikki: Totally agree. 00:06:35.574 --> 00:06:35.724 So 00:06:35.809 --> 00:06:38.139 Cam: you actually, you're not breaking, so you're, you're actually 00:06:38.139 --> 00:06:42.849 like running fast, but not learning too much and not absorbing too much. 00:06:42.939 --> 00:06:44.079 So that could be some practice 00:06:44.274 --> 00:06:47.574 Mikki: Well, given that, and I know this isn't a running podcast, but 00:06:47.574 --> 00:06:52.224 given that my next event is the hundred and two at tar, I have to 00:06:52.554 --> 00:06:54.354 do more of the eccentric training. 00:06:54.414 --> 00:06:54.564 Cam: Yep. 00:06:54.654 --> 00:06:59.054 To even just to save, not so much for speed, but to save,, save 00:06:59.054 --> 00:07:00.794 the impact on your boards and 00:07:00.824 --> 00:07:04.244 Mikki: Because I have been in that position, like last time I did ware, 00:07:04.244 --> 00:07:08.534 it was 60 K, and by the time it came to the bit that I could have 00:07:08.564 --> 00:07:10.754 run that 15 k, the end couldn't. 00:07:11.624 --> 00:07:12.404 My quads were gone. 00:07:12.514 --> 00:07:14.084 Cam: And you can tell the people who are good at that 00:07:14.174 --> 00:07:14.294 Mikki: that. 00:07:14.474 --> 00:07:14.774 Yeah. 00:07:14.804 --> 00:07:17.414 Cam: see them running downhill and it looks effortless that 00:07:17.414 --> 00:07:18.224 they're running downhill. 00:07:18.494 --> 00:07:18.974 Yes. 00:07:18.974 --> 00:07:19.124 And. 00:07:20.309 --> 00:07:20.909 And then you are 00:07:21.474 --> 00:07:22.144 Mikki: jamming, 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:22.829 Cam: not you 00:07:23.314 --> 00:07:23.984 Mikki: univers. 00:07:23.984 --> 00:07:24.344 Yeah. 00:07:24.349 --> 00:07:24.464 Yeah. 00:07:24.514 --> 00:07:25.589 Cam: Jamming on the brakes. 00:07:25.889 --> 00:07:25.979 Yes. 00:07:25.979 --> 00:07:27.209 To try not to fall over. 00:07:27.449 --> 00:07:27.659 Yeah. 00:07:27.749 --> 00:07:29.177 And that takes a lot of energy. 00:07:29.507 --> 00:07:29.747 Yeah. 00:07:29.747 --> 00:07:31.097 Over, you don't have to do too much for that 00:07:31.152 --> 00:07:31.272 Mikki: that. 00:07:31.317 --> 00:07:32.957 Cam: to, to burn your quads out. 00:07:34.007 --> 00:07:34.487 That's cool. 00:07:34.592 --> 00:07:35.192 Mikki: It is cool. 00:07:35.197 --> 00:07:35.832 And Queenstown 00:07:35.837 --> 00:07:37.067 Cam: was, Queenstown was fun. 00:07:37.322 --> 00:07:37.742 Mikki: Yeah. 00:07:37.742 --> 00:07:41.972 And a change in Don just with the change downtown. 00:07:42.032 --> 00:07:44.012 The Pedestrianized being 00:07:44.402 --> 00:07:45.242 pedestrianization. 00:07:45.242 --> 00:07:45.302 yeah. 00:07:45.432 --> 00:07:45.792 it's 00:07:45.830 --> 00:07:47.630 Cam: I guess, I think they might have had a bit of a, 00:07:47.685 --> 00:07:47.845 Mikki: a, 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:54.230 Cam: I don't know whether it would've happened anyway, and whether covid 00:07:54.230 --> 00:07:57.560 just slowed down the development, but there's a lot happening there. 00:07:57.980 --> 00:08:02.300 We went to those new, that new set of buildings with the Bavarian place, 00:08:02.625 --> 00:08:06.721 Mikki: which is the chain of German, what would you call them? 00:08:07.231 --> 00:08:07.921 German restaurants. 00:08:08.041 --> 00:08:08.561 Beer halls. 00:08:08.561 --> 00:08:09.331 Beer halls, yeah. 00:08:09.481 --> 00:08:09.841 Yes. 00:08:10.711 --> 00:08:10.921 Cam: Yep. 00:08:11.161 --> 00:08:12.031 So that was really cool. 00:08:12.031 --> 00:08:12.751 That was a really nice 00:08:12.766 --> 00:08:12.886 Mikki: one. 00:08:13.156 --> 00:08:13.456 Yeah. 00:08:13.456 --> 00:08:13.666 Fun 00:08:13.681 --> 00:08:14.281 Cam: place to hang out. 00:08:14.281 --> 00:08:17.311 Sometimes you're not sure whether, you know, whether those chain 00:08:17.791 --> 00:08:19.351 places will be good, but it will, it 00:08:19.576 --> 00:08:19.876 Mikki: really was. 00:08:20.491 --> 00:08:23.330 Cam: And then I heard on news the other day that they've got, I'm 00:08:23.335 --> 00:08:26.944 not sure this is a good thing, but they've got like a, is it six stories 00:08:27.034 --> 00:08:29.164 or eight story buildings happening? 00:08:29.254 --> 00:08:30.574 Not far from that, up the hill. 00:08:31.339 --> 00:08:31.969 Mikki: Oh yes. 00:08:32.044 --> 00:08:33.034 Cam: people are trying to stop it 00:08:33.049 --> 00:08:35.849 Mikki: cause they don't want, you know, 00:08:36.334 --> 00:08:37.954 Cam: you could easily ruin Queenstown. 00:08:38.944 --> 00:08:41.661 Lots of 10 story buildings on all the hills around 00:08:41.681 --> 00:08:42.171 Mikki: town. 00:08:42.361 --> 00:08:43.231 Well, I get that. 00:08:43.231 --> 00:08:48.211 But the reality is pre covid people were saying Queensland was ruined anyway, 00:08:48.241 --> 00:08:52.681 you know, and I like if of different reasons, like not the infrastructure to 00:08:52.681 --> 00:08:54.571 support all of the tourists coming in. 00:08:54.576 --> 00:08:55.861 So it was expanding out. 00:08:56.251 --> 00:08:56.461 Cam: Yeah. 00:08:56.461 --> 00:08:58.141 So that, it might be good actually. 00:08:58.141 --> 00:08:59.461 You get people even that 00:08:59.516 --> 00:09:00.060 Mikki: where 00:09:00.160 --> 00:09:02.410 Cam: and places, which is up the hill a bit of the way out 00:09:02.410 --> 00:09:04.120 of the central town by the. 00:09:04.825 --> 00:09:05.155 Mikki: Yes. 00:09:05.155 --> 00:09:05.425 Screwed 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:06.070 Cam: people out of it. 00:09:06.205 --> 00:09:06.415 Mikki: Yep. 00:09:06.595 --> 00:09:06.895 Agree. 00:09:07.030 --> 00:09:07.430 Cam: Yeah. 00:09:07.450 --> 00:09:12.562 And yeah, but it's just amazing the, where we stayed out by 00:09:12.684 --> 00:09:13.284 Mikki: Arthur's point. 00:09:14.169 --> 00:09:16.569 Cam: Yeah, Arthur's point I shot where the shot over jet is. 00:09:17.154 --> 00:09:17.244 Mikki: it's 00:09:17.379 --> 00:09:17.979 Cam: beautiful there. 00:09:17.979 --> 00:09:21.279 Like, just probably would avoid staying in town. 00:09:21.744 --> 00:09:22.074 Mikki: Yeah. 00:09:22.119 --> 00:09:22.449 Cam: Again. 00:09:22.449 --> 00:09:23.379 And just stay somewhere 00:09:23.574 --> 00:09:24.264 Mikki: like that. 00:09:24.264 --> 00:09:24.704 Yeah. 00:09:24.704 --> 00:09:25.074 It was nice. 00:09:25.074 --> 00:09:28.614 And it had those couple of nice, like one the Canyon Brewery. 00:09:28.974 --> 00:09:29.034 Yeah. 00:09:29.304 --> 00:09:29.864 Which was. 00:09:30.804 --> 00:09:33.684 And then the other little brewery place just down from where we were, 00:09:33.684 --> 00:09:37.344 which was more sort of pub craft beer place, which we'll definitely 00:09:37.344 --> 00:09:38.394 have to go back to at some. 00:09:38.454 --> 00:09:39.264 Like, that was lovely. 00:09:39.264 --> 00:09:41.304 We didn't get an opportunity to spend too much time there. 00:09:42.354 --> 00:09:42.514 cool. 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:42.774 Yeah. 00:09:43.509 --> 00:09:43.929 Cam: that was cool. 00:09:43.929 --> 00:09:44.349 So 00:09:45.024 --> 00:09:45.514 Mikki: last 00:09:45.609 --> 00:09:49.419 Cam: we talked, I was wondering whether I was gonna go to Samo the next day. 00:09:49.684 --> 00:09:50.034 Mikki: Mm. 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:51.369 Cam: So 00:09:52.464 --> 00:09:53.154 Mikki: I did go 00:09:54.069 --> 00:09:55.389 Cam: and it was, it was pretty cool. 00:09:56.214 --> 00:09:57.114 Mikki: So we recapped 00:09:57.939 --> 00:09:58.359 Cam: our friend. 00:09:58.704 --> 00:10:02.735 From foot traffic coaching was going and supposed to be 00:10:02.735 --> 00:10:03.815 going with our friend Scotty, 00:10:03.990 --> 00:10:05.510 Mikki: Scott, the photographer 00:10:06.425 --> 00:10:08.825 Cam: along with Setti from Samoa 00:10:09.470 --> 00:10:10.040 Mikki: events. 00:10:10.055 --> 00:10:14.105 Cam: So he puts on a bunch of, amazing actually how much stuff he 00:10:14.105 --> 00:10:16.325 puts on in Samoa and in New Zealand. 00:10:16.490 --> 00:10:16.754 Mikki: Yeah. 00:10:16.824 --> 00:10:17.634 Cam: Real great events. 00:10:17.634 --> 00:10:21.204 And he's also like the president of Samo Cycling and also 00:10:22.139 --> 00:10:22.559 Mikki: Sam 00:10:22.660 --> 00:10:23.290 Cam: Triathlon. 00:10:23.290 --> 00:10:23.560 So he. 00:10:23.610 --> 00:10:23.805 Mikki: So he. 00:10:24.460 --> 00:10:25.420 Cam: Samoa, he lives in Auckland. 00:10:25.780 --> 00:10:28.540 Anyway, puts on awesome events and planning. 00:10:28.930 --> 00:10:30.820 I'm putting on, this was a reiki 00:10:31.795 --> 00:10:32.215 Mikki: to see 00:10:32.530 --> 00:10:35.050 Cam: whether it would be appropriate to put on a triathlon 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:36.730 camp and Rob would be the camp, 00:10:37.285 --> 00:10:37.345 Mikki: You 00:10:37.420 --> 00:10:38.770 Cam: the coach who puts on the campus. 00:10:38.775 --> 00:10:38.830 Yeah. 00:10:39.100 --> 00:10:42.130 City would be the organizer of the trip, the accommodation or 00:10:42.135 --> 00:10:43.840 the food and, and all of that. 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.840 So spent four days in summer and. 00:10:48.175 --> 00:10:48.805 Amazing. 00:10:48.955 --> 00:10:51.475 Like not, I wasn't sure what to expect cause I never really 00:10:51.475 --> 00:10:52.285 thought about it that much. 00:10:52.285 --> 00:10:55.765 But yeah, Samoa is really like going back in time. 00:10:56.075 --> 00:10:56.475 Wow. 00:10:56.500 --> 00:11:01.275 Especially not on the, on , which is not on the island, that's 00:11:01.365 --> 00:11:03.375 RP is on, which is Apollo. 00:11:03.705 --> 00:11:10.665 The, and basically it's just local villages and you could 00:11:10.665 --> 00:11:12.675 be in any decade over the last 00:11:13.350 --> 00:11:13.980 Mikki: hundred years. 00:11:14.130 --> 00:11:14.700 Oh, amazing. 00:11:14.745 --> 00:11:17.385 Cam: know, and you wouldn't even know apart from the cars. 00:11:17.390 --> 00:11:17.865 Yeah. 00:11:17.985 --> 00:11:18.645 You wouldn't know. 00:11:18.915 --> 00:11:20.925 I feel like they haven't hardly changed in that 00:11:20.970 --> 00:11:21.330 Mikki: that time. 00:11:21.330 --> 00:11:21.930 So yeah, 00:11:22.010 --> 00:11:23.235 Cam: awesome place to go and 00:11:23.730 --> 00:11:24.600 Mikki: experience a bit of 00:11:25.575 --> 00:11:29.565 Cam: culture, you, there's not many places in the world where you can go and do that. 00:11:29.650 --> 00:11:29.810 Mikki: that. 00:11:30.060 --> 00:11:30.420 No. 00:11:30.420 --> 00:11:31.680 Anymore can. 00:11:31.800 --> 00:11:32.970 What's it expensive to be there? 00:11:33.420 --> 00:11:33.770 No. 00:11:34.455 --> 00:11:34.785 Cam: No. 00:11:34.845 --> 00:11:38.445 So, well, probably cheaper than New Zealand. 00:11:38.565 --> 00:11:38.745 Yeah. 00:11:39.195 --> 00:11:41.685 And way cheaper than going somewhere like. 00:11:41.940 --> 00:11:42.420 Mikki: Hawaii. 00:11:42.560 --> 00:11:43.050 Yeah. 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:47.340 Cam: And probably even cheaper than But you gotta, you 00:11:47.340 --> 00:11:48.600 gotta have your expectations. 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:48.870 Right? 00:11:49.525 --> 00:11:49.875 Mikki: So 00:11:50.310 --> 00:11:52.380 Cam: on Sevi there's not that many resorts. 00:11:52.395 --> 00:11:52.695 Mikki: Yeah. 00:11:53.025 --> 00:11:53.295 And there's 00:11:53.315 --> 00:11:57.300 Cam: no like bars or restaurants or anything like that. 00:11:57.300 --> 00:12:00.045 So you would eat at the resort that perfect for a training camp cuz basically 00:12:00.420 --> 00:12:04.170 you would go train, try and eat and sleep. 00:12:04.395 --> 00:12:04.755 Mikki: Yeah. 00:12:04.830 --> 00:12:06.600 Cam: And socialize with other people on the 00:12:06.825 --> 00:12:07.425 Mikki: training camp. 00:12:07.500 --> 00:12:09.810 Cam: So you don't need other places 00:12:09.845 --> 00:12:10.355 Mikki: to go. 00:12:10.425 --> 00:12:10.845 Yeah. 00:12:11.505 --> 00:12:14.895 And was it, was it like, did CTI and Rob decide that? 00:12:16.035 --> 00:12:16.326 I think 00:12:16.410 --> 00:12:19.050 Cam: working through a few, a few things. 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:22.002 Like just mainly just because it's really undeveloped. 00:12:22.077 --> 00:12:22.517 Mikki: Yeah. 00:12:22.752 --> 00:12:23.832 Cam: So there's no bike shop. 00:12:24.282 --> 00:12:24.462 Yeah. 00:12:24.582 --> 00:12:27.832 You know there's a hospital on that island, so, so that's fine. 00:12:27.903 --> 00:12:32.443 CT has millions of contacts there, so you can pretty much organize anything. 00:12:32.443 --> 00:12:32.834 Yeah. 00:12:32.894 --> 00:12:34.834 But I think they'll work through a few things and then. 00:12:35.534 --> 00:12:37.214 See if they can put one on as a trial. 00:12:37.424 --> 00:12:40.604 Maybe not worry too much about the profitability of it, just 00:12:40.604 --> 00:12:41.684 get a few people over there. 00:12:41.894 --> 00:12:42.134 Mikki: Yeah. 00:12:42.494 --> 00:12:42.914 See 00:12:42.942 --> 00:12:43.623 Cam: see how it goes. 00:12:43.623 --> 00:12:43.713 So 00:12:44.253 --> 00:12:44.793 Mikki: nice. 00:12:45.233 --> 00:12:45.393 Cam: interesting. 00:12:45.393 --> 00:12:46.443 So the idea of it is 00:12:47.253 --> 00:12:47.283 Mikki: a 00:12:47.433 --> 00:12:51.543 Cam: climate very similar to Kona, so where the Ironman world Championships 00:12:51.543 --> 00:12:57.033 is, but hell of easier from Australia or New Zealand to go to Samoa. 00:12:57.063 --> 00:12:58.293 Like it's only a few hours, 00:12:58.983 --> 00:12:59.223 Mikki: four 00:12:59.223 --> 00:13:00.123 Cam: hours on the plane. 00:13:01.173 --> 00:13:01.863 Much cheaper. 00:13:02.013 --> 00:13:02.313 Mikki: Yeah. 00:13:02.793 --> 00:13:03.063 Cam: Much. 00:13:04.263 --> 00:13:04.353 Mikki: if 00:13:04.428 --> 00:13:06.288 Cam: go and train and get some heat adaption. 00:13:06.423 --> 00:13:06.723 Mikki: Yeah. 00:13:07.398 --> 00:13:08.658 Cam: If you were going over to race. 00:13:08.943 --> 00:13:09.153 Mikki: Yeah. 00:13:09.153 --> 00:13:09.243 Nice. 00:13:09.408 --> 00:13:12.678 Cam: Kona a few months, later. 00:13:12.738 --> 00:13:13.308 So, you know, they've 00:13:13.353 --> 00:13:13.473 Mikki: they got 00:13:14.358 --> 00:13:15.408 Cam: lava fields, 00:13:17.793 --> 00:13:18.123 Mikki: roads 00:13:18.138 --> 00:13:24.902 Cam: are similar, just yeah, like a very similar environment to to Kona. 00:13:25.007 --> 00:13:25.307 Mikki: yeah. 00:13:25.312 --> 00:13:28.127 And are they targeting the New Zealand market? 00:13:28.897 --> 00:13:30.227 Cam: mainly New Zealand I think. 00:13:30.387 --> 00:13:30.627 Yeah. 00:13:30.632 --> 00:13:31.547 But, and Australia. 00:13:31.547 --> 00:13:36.677 So I think they'll utilize like Rob's network of all his athletes, some of him. 00:13:36.677 --> 00:13:39.677 So he thinks some of his from the states might even, 00:13:39.677 --> 00:13:40.797 Mikki: even come over? 00:13:40.797 --> 00:13:41.237 Yeah. 00:13:41.567 --> 00:13:44.147 Cam: I mean, it's not easy to get there from the states, I don't think, but 00:13:44.214 --> 00:13:47.544 Mikki: But often time people, they're not, I mean, of course they're in it for 00:13:47.544 --> 00:13:51.504 the triathlon and the competitiveness, but they're in it for the experience and 00:13:51.684 --> 00:13:53.164 to have an experience like that would be 00:13:53.394 --> 00:13:53.514 Cam: Yep. 00:13:53.794 --> 00:13:54.154 And. 00:13:55.199 --> 00:13:58.689 A couple of local Sam and triathletes and cyclists were there. 00:13:58.804 --> 00:13:58.964 Mikki: there. 00:13:58.964 --> 00:13:59.324 Yeah. 00:13:59.324 --> 00:13:59.564 Cool. 00:13:59.564 --> 00:13:59.924 And 00:13:59.949 --> 00:14:02.559 Cam: just soaking up Rob's knowledge. 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:02.748 Ah. 00:14:02.904 --> 00:14:02.964 Mikki: Ah. 00:14:03.174 --> 00:14:06.414 Because Rob knows every like, and I, I don't mean that in a facetious way. 00:14:06.714 --> 00:14:08.004 He has so much knowledge. 00:14:08.424 --> 00:14:08.964 Yeah. 00:14:09.939 --> 00:14:10.539 Cam: So they're loving it. 00:14:10.539 --> 00:14:12.069 So they, you could tell, and Rob's such a, 00:14:13.014 --> 00:14:13.194 Mikki: if you 00:14:13.214 --> 00:14:14.589 Cam: were gonna go on a Kent with a Kent 00:14:14.694 --> 00:14:15.214 Mikki: anyway. 00:14:15.344 --> 00:14:15.694 Oh, 00:14:15.729 --> 00:14:16.839 Cam: Rob's the one you want to go on. 00:14:17.004 --> 00:14:17.394 Mikki: Totally. 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.514 Can you imagine if you were, I mean, imagine you running a Can 00:14:20.904 --> 00:14:21.534 Cam: No, I'd be terrible. 00:14:21.564 --> 00:14:22.464 Mikki: No, you'll be terrible. 00:14:22.464 --> 00:14:22.824 I know. 00:14:23.784 --> 00:14:25.254 Cam: I'll just, I'll just let Okay. 00:14:25.254 --> 00:14:26.004 You guys go out. 00:14:26.124 --> 00:14:26.614 Mikki: Yeah. 00:14:26.614 --> 00:14:27.054 Yeah. 00:14:27.114 --> 00:14:28.854 Cam: I'm just gonna hang outta here by myself or, 00:14:29.064 --> 00:14:29.364 Mikki: Yeah. 00:14:29.424 --> 00:14:30.714 You'd be a great behind the scenes. 00:14:31.044 --> 00:14:32.244 You'd be great in the role that you 00:14:32.289 --> 00:14:33.450 Cam: I'm definitely behind the scenes 00:14:33.515 --> 00:14:33.715 Mikki: Ben. 00:14:33.715 --> 00:14:34.315 No, I get it. 00:14:34.315 --> 00:14:34.475 Yeah. 00:14:34.580 --> 00:14:34.940 Mm-hmm. 00:14:35.033 --> 00:14:36.143 Cam: So yeah, so that was good. 00:14:36.443 --> 00:14:38.093 So I took some good photos and videos and 00:14:38.128 --> 00:14:38.328 Mikki: stuff. 00:14:38.408 --> 00:14:41.508 Yeah, I saw some of the pictures on Facebook that Rob shared. 00:14:41.518 --> 00:14:44.098 And I'm not sure if they were cam links with pictures or 00:14:44.098 --> 00:14:45.568 not, but they were amazing. 00:14:45.628 --> 00:14:46.378 Cam: Mm, yeah. 00:14:46.468 --> 00:14:49.438 Pretty easy to take good photos when you got turquoise blue 00:14:49.608 --> 00:14:50.218 Mikki: Lagoon. 00:14:50.308 --> 00:14:51.058 Oh, yes. 00:14:51.178 --> 00:14:54.363 Cam: And and Coke about trees on jungle so, yeah. 00:14:54.723 --> 00:14:54.963 Yeah. 00:14:54.981 --> 00:14:57.093 Yeah, while I was there, we haven't talking any about 00:14:57.093 --> 00:14:58.143 anything about business yet. 00:14:58.203 --> 00:14:59.073 Well, that was a little bit about 00:14:59.463 --> 00:15:00.583 Mikki: business while 00:15:00.603 --> 00:15:00.813 Cam: was there. 00:15:00.863 --> 00:15:01.063 Mikki: there. 00:15:01.068 --> 00:15:01.323 Yeah. 00:15:01.413 --> 00:15:03.123 Cam: It's not really business related, but it is. 00:15:03.933 --> 00:15:05.523 A few issues came up for me. 00:15:05.523 --> 00:15:05.553 Mikki: Okay. 00:15:05.813 --> 00:15:06.303 Cam: Okay. 00:15:06.423 --> 00:15:07.083 I'm not talking. 00:15:07.143 --> 00:15:07.533 Mikki: about this 00:15:08.593 --> 00:15:11.883 Cam: In our last episodes are not, probably not, but while I was day before 00:15:11.951 --> 00:15:16.133 just in like an hour before we were gonna go out from the first day in Samoa to go 00:15:16.778 --> 00:15:17.388 Mikki: riding. 00:15:17.414 --> 00:15:21.254 Cam: I saw some funny activity on the, on my training site. 00:15:22.514 --> 00:15:24.584 And turns out someone was 00:15:25.329 --> 00:15:26.339 Mikki: like a hacker. 00:15:26.339 --> 00:15:26.699 Yep. 00:15:27.014 --> 00:15:28.814 Cam: hack was doing a carting attack. 00:15:30.164 --> 00:15:34.754 So what that is, is people may have stolen, 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:35.129 Mikki: like 00:15:35.444 --> 00:15:36.434 Cam: Credit card numbers. 00:15:36.464 --> 00:15:36.554 Yeah. 00:15:37.364 --> 00:15:39.134 But they might just have the number Yeah. 00:15:39.434 --> 00:15:42.404 And maybe the, the person's name and they might not have the 00:15:42.964 --> 00:15:43.384 Mikki: Cvv, 00:15:43.579 --> 00:15:44.824 Cam: number on the back Yeah. 00:15:44.829 --> 00:15:46.574 Or the date or something. 00:15:46.664 --> 00:15:47.144 Okay. 00:15:47.294 --> 00:15:50.114 So what they do to try and figure that out is they'll find 00:15:50.119 --> 00:15:51.824 a website that accepts a card. 00:15:52.124 --> 00:15:52.184 Yeah. 00:15:52.214 --> 00:15:53.654 So when you sign up for training tool, 00:15:54.324 --> 00:15:54.944 Mikki: you can 00:15:54.944 --> 00:15:59.594 Cam: your card details at the same time they were, they'd written a 00:15:59.594 --> 00:16:03.764 little bot that goes through it, puts the card number and puts the. 00:16:03.764 --> 00:16:04.154 Mikki: name and 00:16:04.439 --> 00:16:09.466 Cam: Guesses, like either the expiry date or the CVV number on the back or whatever, 00:16:09.991 --> 00:16:10.411 Mikki: And, 00:16:10.516 --> 00:16:13.876 Cam: then just test them over and over and over again. 00:16:13.981 --> 00:16:16.081 Mikki: Changing those details. 00:16:16.081 --> 00:16:17.311 Changing until they get it right. 00:16:17.311 --> 00:16:18.081 Until they get it. 00:16:18.216 --> 00:16:18.886 Cam: Alright 00:16:18.886 --> 00:16:22.230 Mikki: so can I ask, do you get notification of any, like, 00:16:22.230 --> 00:16:23.970 of a failed attempt as well? 00:16:23.970 --> 00:16:24.300 Like, 00:16:24.495 --> 00:16:27.915 Cam: so I get basically anything, any error or anything 00:16:27.920 --> 00:16:29.835 that happens in the system is. 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:35.310 and currently, which I've always had going, which is like stressful, 00:16:35.310 --> 00:16:36.750 but at the moment it's good. 00:16:36.780 --> 00:16:39.980 I get emailed every single one of those things mate. 00:16:39.985 --> 00:16:42.090 So you know, so I always wake up in the morning with hundreds of 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:43.140 emails that I just go through. 00:16:43.350 --> 00:16:45.030 Mainly I don't need to do anything cuz they're just 00:16:45.830 --> 00:16:46.180 Mikki: an 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.570 Cam: happened or a log happened or whatever, and not a big deal. 00:16:48.870 --> 00:16:52.800 But then if I, but then I had like 400 within a couple of minutes 00:16:53.460 --> 00:16:53.580 Mikki: so I 00:16:53.610 --> 00:16:54.450 Cam: knew something was up. 00:16:55.350 --> 00:16:58.860 So then I, all the information of what's happening is, 00:16:58.860 --> 00:16:59.370 Mikki: included, 00:16:59.880 --> 00:17:00.990 Cam: Not the card numbers or anything. 00:17:00.990 --> 00:17:01.080 Of 00:17:01.110 --> 00:17:01.900 Mikki: No, no. 00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:02.340 You never, 00:17:02.370 --> 00:17:03.420 Cam: never pass those around 00:17:03.540 --> 00:17:03.690 Mikki: here. 00:17:03.770 --> 00:17:03.930 Cam: anywhere. 00:17:04.170 --> 00:17:04.320 But 00:17:04.320 --> 00:17:05.864 Mikki: and did you know immediately what was going 00:17:05.894 --> 00:17:06.054 Cam: on? 00:17:06.054 --> 00:17:06.254 Yeah, yeah. 00:17:06.284 --> 00:17:06.494 Yep. 00:17:06.904 --> 00:17:07.254 Mikki: So 00:17:08.054 --> 00:17:09.464 Cam: I've had this sort of thing happen 00:17:10.094 --> 00:17:10.334 Mikki: before. 00:17:10.664 --> 00:17:10.904 Yeah. 00:17:10.951 --> 00:17:13.111 Cam: So you have to have these mitigations 00:17:13.121 --> 00:17:14.431 Mikki: in place to 00:17:14.431 --> 00:17:17.221 Cam: try and stop people doing this, but they always sort of find a way 00:17:17.851 --> 00:17:18.361 Mikki: around it. 00:17:18.511 --> 00:17:18.691 Yeah. 00:17:18.811 --> 00:17:22.621 Cam: So I basically shut down the signups. 00:17:23.121 --> 00:17:23.471 Mikki: so 00:17:23.556 --> 00:17:24.331 Cam: I'm a good sign up to. 00:17:24.711 --> 00:17:24.991 Mikki: talk 00:17:25.666 --> 00:17:27.466 Cam: For a few hours while I was away. 00:17:27.811 --> 00:17:31.681 Mikki: Was that shutting down everyone else's signups as well? 00:17:31.681 --> 00:17:31.801 No, no, no. 00:17:31.806 --> 00:17:33.091 But just your, yeah. 00:17:33.556 --> 00:17:34.096 To sign up. 00:17:34.356 --> 00:17:34.636 Yeah. 00:17:34.746 --> 00:17:35.746 Cam: I don't get, I don't get 00:17:35.756 --> 00:17:37.596 Mikki: a, a lot, you 00:17:37.666 --> 00:17:39.346 Cam: max I might get is a couple a day. 00:17:39.346 --> 00:17:39.406 Yeah. 00:17:39.886 --> 00:17:42.196 Couple of new coaches a day anyway, so, you 00:17:42.276 --> 00:17:42.556 Mikki: you know, 00:17:43.426 --> 00:17:44.176 Cam: and, and 00:17:44.946 --> 00:17:45.756 Mikki: name of 00:17:45.826 --> 00:17:50.506 Cam: protecting whoever's cards they were trying to steal or my rep, my reputation. 00:17:50.656 --> 00:17:50.896 Mikki: Yeah. 00:17:51.586 --> 00:17:53.986 Cam: So when you have a payment processor and you have a whole. 00:17:54.226 --> 00:17:57.046 Mikki: of fraudulent attempts of 00:17:57.841 --> 00:17:59.521 Cam: using cards even if they fail. 00:17:59.791 --> 00:17:59.851 Yeah. 00:17:59.851 --> 00:18:02.101 That affects the reputation of your Yeah. 00:18:02.461 --> 00:18:03.691 Your account on the payment 00:18:03.706 --> 00:18:03.886 Mikki: bank. 00:18:05.221 --> 00:18:10.291 Cam: So anyway, after Sam, I got back and I put some mitigation in place for that. 00:18:11.491 --> 00:18:12.091 And then 00:18:12.163 --> 00:18:14.003 Just before we went to Queenstown, 00:18:14.748 --> 00:18:15.418 Mikki: similar 00:18:15.523 --> 00:18:16.043 Cam: thing happened. 00:18:16.043 --> 00:18:19.873 I dunno if it was the same people, this time they were doing the same thing. 00:18:19.888 --> 00:18:20.218 Mikki: but 00:18:20.713 --> 00:18:22.783 Cam: On some of my customers Yes. 00:18:22.843 --> 00:18:24.313 Cause training deals on e-commerce site. 00:18:24.528 --> 00:18:25.018 Mikki: Yeah. 00:18:25.543 --> 00:18:27.463 Cam: so all of my coaches can accept payments. 00:18:27.493 --> 00:18:27.553 Yeah. 00:18:27.733 --> 00:18:30.733 They started doing it there way less severe. 00:18:31.183 --> 00:18:33.163 Cause I'd already had, I already had some other things in 00:18:33.163 --> 00:18:34.303 place to stop them doing that. 00:18:34.303 --> 00:18:34.783 So they were, 00:18:35.628 --> 00:18:36.718 Mikki: instead of doing like 00:18:37.243 --> 00:18:42.433 Cam: hundreds in a few minutes, they were just doing like three or four an hour or 00:18:42.448 --> 00:18:42.838 Mikki: Yeah. 00:18:42.868 --> 00:18:43.168 Okay. 00:18:43.783 --> 00:18:47.743 Cam: So probably if I was a bigger site, that would probably just go un. 00:18:48.418 --> 00:18:49.418 Mikki: Yeah, it would. 00:18:49.558 --> 00:18:49.798 Cam: know. 00:18:49.798 --> 00:18:52.528 Cause it would just be like if you were processing, if you 00:18:52.528 --> 00:18:53.578 had eCommerce site and you were 00:18:53.678 --> 00:18:54.118 Mikki: you're processing 00:18:54.958 --> 00:18:56.758 Cam: you know, hundreds of payments now or whatever 00:18:57.118 --> 00:18:58.408 Mikki: as your usual, then it would 00:18:58.408 --> 00:18:59.128 Cam: just look natural. 00:18:59.428 --> 00:18:59.638 Yeah. 00:19:00.328 --> 00:19:05.848 But because we don't have that higher volume, I saw some come in, you 00:19:05.848 --> 00:19:09.238 know, in a row from the same site and they were all failed payments. 00:19:09.368 --> 00:19:09.808 Yeah. 00:19:09.958 --> 00:19:14.158 And then the way they were doing it, error message was were a bit odd. 00:19:14.578 --> 00:19:16.738 Like they weren't doing things in the right order, which is 00:19:16.738 --> 00:19:17.688 why they were getting error. 00:19:18.253 --> 00:19:20.653 So basically they didn't actually process any cards at all. 00:19:21.313 --> 00:19:21.343 Okay. 00:19:21.733 --> 00:19:26.263 So there was no real, no real issues or they, they processed some, which I 00:19:26.263 --> 00:19:27.883 think when they were doing it manually. 00:19:28.003 --> 00:19:28.363 Yeah. 00:19:28.363 --> 00:19:30.613 Then I think they wrote the bot to do it and the bot was 00:19:30.613 --> 00:19:31.603 doing it in the wrong order. 00:19:31.783 --> 00:19:32.273 Mikki: Yeah. 00:19:32.273 --> 00:19:32.473 Yeah. 00:19:32.473 --> 00:19:33.673 I was gonna say it's a pot issue. 00:19:33.763 --> 00:19:34.033 Yeah. 00:19:34.303 --> 00:19:38.263 Cam: Anyway, so I spent the whole week putting more mitigations 00:19:38.263 --> 00:19:40.033 in place so they couldn't do it. 00:19:40.033 --> 00:19:42.253 And you know, when we were in Queenstown, I was 00:19:42.563 --> 00:19:43.363 Mikki: looking on 00:19:43.363 --> 00:19:46.723 Cam: it in between, we were go in between, we were going to the pub or. 00:19:46.723 --> 00:19:47.083 Mikki: whatever, 00:19:47.398 --> 00:19:50.128 Cam: And they'd stopped by then anyway, so it wasn't, but then 00:19:50.128 --> 00:19:51.298 you just wanna make sure that, 00:19:52.283 --> 00:19:52.933 Mikki: they might 00:19:53.098 --> 00:19:54.148 Cam: taken the weekend off. 00:19:54.568 --> 00:19:54.808 Yeah. 00:19:54.808 --> 00:19:56.068 And then come back on Monday anyway. 00:19:56.068 --> 00:19:57.928 So mitigation's in place now. 00:19:58.423 --> 00:20:04.573 Mikki: And are you confident that you've been able to stamp that 00:20:04.713 --> 00:20:06.058 Cam: that I've got gotten 00:20:06.163 --> 00:20:06.313 Mikki: rid 00:20:07.258 --> 00:20:07.558 Cam: of 00:20:07.558 --> 00:20:09.551 99% of anyone who will try. 00:20:09.556 --> 00:20:12.493 So it's it's like when a burg comes to your house. 00:20:13.138 --> 00:20:14.878 . And he sees like a security camera. 00:20:14.883 --> 00:20:15.298 Yeah. 00:20:15.298 --> 00:20:15.299 Yeah. 00:20:15.358 --> 00:20:17.578 Or he sees like that your gate's locked. 00:20:17.788 --> 00:20:17.878 Yeah. 00:20:17.998 --> 00:20:18.568 You can just go to the 00:20:18.608 --> 00:20:19.168 Mikki: to the next house. 00:20:19.198 --> 00:20:19.688 Yeah. 00:20:19.688 --> 00:20:20.208 Too hard. 00:20:20.438 --> 00:20:20.928 Yeah. 00:20:21.058 --> 00:20:22.558 Cam: are not, they're not sophisticated, 00:20:23.488 --> 00:20:23.968 Mikki: attacks. 00:20:24.028 --> 00:20:24.358 No. 00:20:24.508 --> 00:20:25.528 Cam: they're not really hacking. 00:20:25.528 --> 00:20:30.388 They're just like, basically what, you know, anyone can go into a site, into 00:20:30.388 --> 00:20:32.158 some fake card details and see if they 00:20:32.188 --> 00:20:32.368 Mikki: work. 00:20:32.638 --> 00:20:32.908 Yeah. 00:20:33.298 --> 00:20:36.436 Well that's to use another ridiculous analogy, not that yours is ridiculous, 00:20:36.796 --> 00:20:39.526 but it's like having a car lot, A steering wheel lock on your car. 00:20:39.796 --> 00:20:40.066 Exactly. 00:20:40.066 --> 00:20:42.706 Doesn't do a lot, but someone will look at that and go, oh, okay. 00:20:42.711 --> 00:20:43.216 You don't wanna go there. 00:20:43.216 --> 00:20:43.336 There's 00:20:43.611 --> 00:20:46.411 Cam: three cars next to each other, just like there's a million e-commerce 00:20:46.411 --> 00:20:48.751 websites on the net that people go to. 00:20:48.826 --> 00:20:49.096 Mikki: yeah, 00:20:49.591 --> 00:20:55.141 Cam: So pretty confident now that for the most part, they would just come try 00:20:55.141 --> 00:20:57.481 it manually, try and ride a little bot. 00:20:57.481 --> 00:20:59.971 They wouldn't be able to ride a bot easily to do it anymore. 00:21:00.121 --> 00:21:00.271 Yeah. 00:21:00.511 --> 00:21:01.651 And then move on to the next, 00:21:02.523 --> 00:21:02.761 what, 00:21:02.776 --> 00:21:09.286 Mikki: like it doesn't, it just illustrate small business and the things that you 00:21:09.286 --> 00:21:13.846 just cannot predict are going to happen, and then potentially throw out a timeline. 00:21:14.671 --> 00:21:16.711 Because that you, the way that you described that, that was 00:21:16.711 --> 00:21:18.571 like two weeks of work basically. 00:21:18.571 --> 00:21:18.631 Yeah. 00:21:19.261 --> 00:21:22.531 Which you didn't have scheduled in because you wouldn't have known that 00:21:22.531 --> 00:21:25.051 it would've occurred, and then that's just gonna push everything else back. 00:21:25.081 --> 00:21:28.411 Like people underestimate the impact that it has 00:21:28.811 --> 00:21:29.231 Cam: yep. 00:21:29.236 --> 00:21:31.771 And of course, there's the argument to be said that I should 00:21:31.811 --> 00:21:32.011 Mikki: have 00:21:32.971 --> 00:21:35.871 Cam: added all of these mitigations in beforehand. 00:21:36.001 --> 00:21:37.531 Mikki: That's a, an interesting argument. 00:21:38.191 --> 00:21:38.401 But 00:21:39.211 --> 00:21:42.271 Cam: there, there already was some mitigations and I could 00:21:42.271 --> 00:21:44.971 continue for another 10 weeks 00:21:45.556 --> 00:21:45.826 Mikki: adding 00:21:46.081 --> 00:21:47.731 Cam: and more stuff. 00:21:47.956 --> 00:21:48.376 Mikki: But 00:21:48.631 --> 00:21:49.121 Cam: you know, it's 00:21:49.121 --> 00:21:51.833 Mikki: but then is that, then it's that cost benefit analysis, right? 00:21:51.933 --> 00:21:52.373 Yeah. 00:21:53.033 --> 00:21:53.453 Yes. 00:21:53.873 --> 00:21:54.293 And 00:21:54.321 --> 00:21:56.982 Cam: like there was, it's all secure cuz it's run through stripe. 00:21:57.087 --> 00:21:57.387 Mikki: Yeah. 00:21:58.152 --> 00:22:00.972 Cam: And no one can steal anything via 00:22:00.997 --> 00:22:01.277 Mikki: it. 00:22:01.872 --> 00:22:03.612 Cam: The issue is they'd already stole. 00:22:04.052 --> 00:22:06.942 The cards from the cards from somewhere, from someone else. 00:22:07.062 --> 00:22:07.122 Yeah. 00:22:07.392 --> 00:22:09.582 And all they're doing is trying random Yeah. 00:22:10.197 --> 00:22:10.557 Mikki: numbers. 00:22:10.902 --> 00:22:13.602 Cam: And you, so you know what you can do is to stop them 00:22:13.602 --> 00:22:15.162 being able to do too many at one 00:22:15.357 --> 00:22:15.597 Mikki: time. 00:22:15.597 --> 00:22:16.557 Yeah, because, 00:22:17.052 --> 00:22:20.112 Cam: because the way they're doing it, you can't put everything in 00:22:20.117 --> 00:22:21.432 place them to stop them doing it. 00:22:22.047 --> 00:22:22.407 Mikki: Otherwise 00:22:22.482 --> 00:22:25.122 Cam: no one will be able to coming into their own legitimate 00:22:26.037 --> 00:22:26.457 Mikki: credit cards. 00:22:26.637 --> 00:22:30.327 Well, you just said that you had to turn the payments off on your site 00:22:30.507 --> 00:22:33.747 whilst you had actually knew that there's nothing you could do about it. 00:22:33.747 --> 00:22:35.547 Cause you were on a plane to Samoa basically. 00:22:35.697 --> 00:22:35.997 Yeah. 00:22:36.110 --> 00:22:38.810 Cam: So you can't stop it completely, but what you can do is stop it. 00:22:38.810 --> 00:22:42.260 So they can't do hundreds at the same, hundreds in a 00:22:42.260 --> 00:22:43.580 minute to hundreds in an hour. 00:22:43.665 --> 00:22:44.065 Mikki: Yeah. 00:22:44.065 --> 00:22:44.225 Yeah. 00:22:44.385 --> 00:22:45.800 Cam: you just, you rate limit it. 00:22:45.800 --> 00:22:46.370 So it's huge. 00:22:46.370 --> 00:22:46.910 You detect that. 00:22:47.120 --> 00:22:47.240 Yeah. 00:22:47.270 --> 00:22:48.320 Then it just stops them. 00:22:48.410 --> 00:22:48.980 So that's what it's 00:22:48.995 --> 00:22:49.145 Mikki: doing. 00:22:49.790 --> 00:22:52.541 Cam: So even now, if they came and tried to do it, yeah, it would 00:22:52.546 --> 00:22:53.690 allow them to do it the first. 00:22:54.590 --> 00:22:57.170 Times cuz that's just like a normal person coming to the car. 00:22:57.470 --> 00:22:58.400 And then I would stop them. 00:22:59.450 --> 00:22:59.810 So anyway. 00:23:00.535 --> 00:23:01.025 Mikki: Good. 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:02.180 Cam: It's good. 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:04.940 Another lesson learned, funny thing came out. 00:23:04.945 --> 00:23:05.750 Insight came out. 00:23:05.750 --> 00:23:07.010 It's already new about myself. 00:23:08.330 --> 00:23:09.350 I secretly love these 00:23:09.380 --> 00:23:10.130 Mikki: emergencies. 00:23:10.700 --> 00:23:11.260 Do you? 00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:11.900 Cam: Yes, because 00:23:12.100 --> 00:23:12.940 Mikki: it's, you know, 00:23:14.420 --> 00:23:19.070 Cam: you know, it's part of my nature to solve problems. 00:23:19.075 --> 00:23:19.450 Problems. 00:23:19.790 --> 00:23:21.590 And if it's an emergence, it's like that thing, you 00:23:21.590 --> 00:23:21.800 Mikki: you know, 00:23:21.850 --> 00:23:21.930 Cam: know. 00:23:23.780 --> 00:23:25.820 You've got an exam or something and you leave it till the last 00:23:25.850 --> 00:23:26.000 Mikki: minute. 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:26.630 Oh yeah. 00:23:26.630 --> 00:23:26.690 All 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.680 Cam: a sudden your mind just goes, yes. 00:23:28.730 --> 00:23:32.000 Like your mind turns on and it's exciting and your dopamine 00:23:32.170 --> 00:23:33.010 Mikki: hits and 00:23:33.050 --> 00:23:33.980 Cam: you actually enjoy it. 00:23:34.670 --> 00:23:34.970 Mikki: So 00:23:35.810 --> 00:23:40.310 Cam: when I had my business call, my business coaching call yesterday morning, 00:23:40.850 --> 00:23:41.450 Mikki: Did you speak? 00:23:41.540 --> 00:23:41.840 I did. 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:42.560 Good on you. 00:23:42.560 --> 00:23:42.840 Cam: on you. 00:23:43.370 --> 00:23:47.000 Another thing is I, I was in a cafe and I'm like, oh, it's a bit loud, 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:48.530 Mikki: It's a bit, 00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:50.720 Cam: I won't be able to speak because it'll be too. 00:23:51.815 --> 00:23:54.695 And that's the sort of thing that I normally do to avoid cuz you 00:23:54.695 --> 00:23:56.825 know, I hate that sort of thing. 00:23:56.825 --> 00:23:58.385 That is not my strength. 00:23:58.625 --> 00:23:58.745 Yeah. 00:23:58.835 --> 00:23:59.285 And I hate it. 00:23:59.495 --> 00:23:59.855 Yeah. 00:23:59.860 --> 00:24:00.365 I don't hate it. 00:24:00.695 --> 00:24:02.075 I enjoy it when I do it, but I, 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:03.651 Mikki: its, it's avoid it. 00:24:03.721 --> 00:24:04.211 Yeah. 00:24:04.211 --> 00:24:04.691 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:04.691 --> 00:24:04.891 Yeah. 00:24:04.976 --> 00:24:10.166 Cam: it makes me anxious and I thought, no, and that's not a good enough 00:24:10.856 --> 00:24:11.096 Mikki: Yeah, 00:24:11.336 --> 00:24:12.296 Cam: Not excuse at all. 00:24:12.356 --> 00:24:13.286 Why is an excuse? 00:24:13.436 --> 00:24:14.186 It's not a reason. 00:24:14.996 --> 00:24:18.626 So I had my vans, I just went and set up in my van and didn't pull in my van. 00:24:19.106 --> 00:24:20.426 And then when I spoke, I spoke. 00:24:20.486 --> 00:24:20.726 Mikki: about 00:24:21.506 --> 00:24:22.526 Cam: The stuff that had happened. 00:24:22.556 --> 00:24:22.856 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:22.856 --> 00:24:24.296 Cause I thought that might help someone else. 00:24:24.476 --> 00:24:24.746 They, 00:24:24.906 --> 00:24:25.326 Mikki: You 00:24:25.346 --> 00:24:28.406 Cam: know, cuz it's when you, when you are, especially if you're non-technical, 00:24:28.706 --> 00:24:34.166 when you set the stuff up, I mean, most people would never have thought 00:24:34.166 --> 00:24:35.276 that that's a thing that happens. 00:24:35.336 --> 00:24:35.666 Mikki: No, I. 00:24:36.386 --> 00:24:36.686 Yeah. 00:24:36.776 --> 00:24:36.896 You 00:24:36.936 --> 00:24:39.806 Cam: know, people know that people steal credit cards or whatever, but 00:24:39.806 --> 00:24:44.336 they don't know that they might steal a number and then use someone else's 00:24:44.336 --> 00:24:48.896 website to randomly check the CVV until they get it right for the, or the. 00:24:49.436 --> 00:24:49.496 Mikki: Yeah. 00:24:50.621 --> 00:24:55.271 Cam: So I shared that, but I also shared my insight about how I 00:24:55.271 --> 00:24:57.461 love when the emergencies happen. 00:24:57.491 --> 00:24:57.641 Yeah. 00:24:57.851 --> 00:25:02.651 Cause also, apart from that, I use that as an excuse not to do the other things 00:25:02.651 --> 00:25:06.581 in my business that I don't enjoy so much because I've got this emergency going on. 00:25:06.581 --> 00:25:06.641 Yeah, 00:25:06.731 --> 00:25:07.391 Mikki: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:25:07.391 --> 00:25:07.961 Oh, I like 00:25:07.971 --> 00:25:10.061 Cam: now I don't have to do the sales and marketing stuff that 00:25:10.061 --> 00:25:11.231 I committed to do for the week. 00:25:11.681 --> 00:25:13.241 Cause this other stuff came up. 00:25:13.391 --> 00:25:16.142 Mikki: So it's a very good procrastination sort of method for you. 00:25:16.222 --> 00:25:19.592 Yeah, and it is interesting with that problem solving stuff, cuz I think 00:25:19.862 --> 00:25:21.902 a lot of us might be wired that way. 00:25:21.902 --> 00:25:25.382 You know, like I love the bits that I love most in my business. 00:25:25.382 --> 00:25:29.882 I mean, I love the problem solving with a client, but I also love the pressure 00:25:29.942 --> 00:25:33.502 of a sale and the, and the launch. 00:25:33.692 --> 00:25:37.412 Programming, getting everything, the deadlines and everything, making sure 00:25:37.412 --> 00:25:41.642 everything's in place like that makes me, it's that cortisol pumping through. 00:25:41.702 --> 00:25:46.022 It's that motivation that dopamine, you crash afterwards, 00:25:46.022 --> 00:25:47.822 but at the time you're on. 00:25:48.152 --> 00:25:48.392 Cam: Yep. 00:25:48.752 --> 00:25:49.742 And the trick is 00:25:50.372 --> 00:25:50.492 Mikki: that 00:25:50.492 --> 00:25:54.332 Cam: stuff that you love in your business, you can't just go, I'm not gonna do that. 00:25:54.642 --> 00:25:55.132 Yeah. 00:25:55.142 --> 00:25:56.102 Cause I have to do this other 00:25:56.242 --> 00:25:56.732 Mikki: yeah, 00:25:56.852 --> 00:25:58.472 Cam: what the fuck are you even doing it for? 00:25:58.652 --> 00:25:58.832 Totally. 00:25:58.892 --> 00:25:59.522 If you don't love 00:25:59.572 --> 00:25:59.772 Mikki: love it. 00:25:59.772 --> 00:26:00.172 Yeah. 00:26:00.272 --> 00:26:03.722 Cam: So the trick is to indis disperse the stuff that you don't 00:26:03.722 --> 00:26:05.792 love doing, but you know you have to 00:26:05.832 --> 00:26:06.392 Mikki: to mm-hmm. 00:26:06.402 --> 00:26:08.012 Cam: with the stuff that you love doing, 00:26:08.732 --> 00:26:09.002 Mikki: even 00:26:09.002 --> 00:26:11.582 Cam: if it's like a couple of hours here and a couple of hours 00:26:12.062 --> 00:26:12.332 Mikki: there. 00:26:12.482 --> 00:26:12.722 Yep. 00:26:13.532 --> 00:26:14.642 Cam: Cause otherwise you're not gonna be able to. 00:26:14.822 --> 00:26:15.032 Mikki: it up. 00:26:15.402 --> 00:26:16.032 No, I 00:26:16.162 --> 00:26:17.162 Cam: There's no way you could keep it up. 00:26:17.162 --> 00:26:19.322 I couldn't even keep it up for a whole day of doing boring 00:26:19.352 --> 00:26:19.562 Mikki: stuff. 00:26:19.772 --> 00:26:20.012 No, 00:26:20.042 --> 00:26:21.032 Cam: don't, that I hate doing. 00:26:22.322 --> 00:26:24.092 And kudos to those who can 00:26:25.022 --> 00:26:25.382 Mikki: do that. 00:26:25.652 --> 00:26:25.952 Yeah. 00:26:26.172 --> 00:26:27.192 I'm not going, no. 00:26:27.192 --> 00:26:27.352 I'm 00:26:27.482 --> 00:26:29.282 Cam: have the attention span for it. 00:26:30.272 --> 00:26:31.052 I, you still need to do it. 00:26:31.057 --> 00:26:34.922 So you just need to figure out, I'm not there yet. 00:26:35.312 --> 00:26:37.022 Figure out what's the best mix of 00:26:37.487 --> 00:26:37.787 Mikki: Yeah. 00:26:37.862 --> 00:26:41.162 Cam: So you can, cuz you know, some things give you energy and something's taking 00:26:41.387 --> 00:26:44.237 Mikki: Well, I know, and, and I was thinking that because I've been playing 00:26:44.237 --> 00:26:49.127 around since June, since leaving my full-time job to just do clients in my 00:26:49.127 --> 00:26:51.044 program which is working brilliantly. 00:26:52.004 --> 00:26:54.884 I, it's, I've been playing around with my client. 00:26:55.529 --> 00:26:58.019 Because initially I'm like, now I don't have to see clients early, 00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:59.489 so I'm gonna make that my own time. 00:26:59.969 --> 00:27:04.409 But actually I do chle on that day when I have clients because my energy 00:27:04.409 --> 00:27:07.439 is in the morning and my energy to give to people is in the morning. 00:27:08.129 --> 00:27:13.379 And then if I, I was doing that sort of over midday to the afternoon, but that 00:27:13.589 --> 00:27:17.669 then left me, cause it's my personality type to want to get their plans done. 00:27:17.849 --> 00:27:19.379 So I'm still working in the evening type. 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:23.459 But it took me trialing that in order to sort of figure that out. 00:27:24.089 --> 00:27:24.449 Cam: yeah, yeah. 00:27:24.569 --> 00:27:24.989 That's true. 00:27:24.994 --> 00:27:31.109 Like it's funny how they, the transfer of energy happens like that. 00:27:31.349 --> 00:27:31.529 Yeah. 00:27:31.769 --> 00:27:33.429 Because they're probably come and they probably 00:27:33.439 --> 00:27:34.544 Mikki: take, yeah, they 00:27:34.909 --> 00:27:35.579 Cam: probably leave with energy. 00:27:35.789 --> 00:27:36.189 Yes. 00:27:36.209 --> 00:27:38.789 You've like transferred it through your computer Totally. 00:27:38.959 --> 00:27:39.629 To to 00:27:39.714 --> 00:27:40.074 Mikki: Yeah. 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:40.154 Yeah. 00:27:40.154 --> 00:27:40.814 Completely. 00:27:41.654 --> 00:27:44.474 And in some ways you protect yourself because you are online. 00:27:45.104 --> 00:27:47.354 And I def and I don't think this is a bad thing. 00:27:47.354 --> 00:27:50.264 Like I think it's helpful for me as a practitioner. 00:27:50.904 --> 00:27:53.324 To, cuz I think it makes me a better practitioner for 00:27:53.624 --> 00:27:55.034 all of the people that I see. 00:27:55.244 --> 00:27:59.894 And then my online clients, if I was in person all of the time, I wouldn't 00:27:59.894 --> 00:28:03.134 be able to service all those people because you do protect yourself 00:28:03.139 --> 00:28:04.274 a little bit with the computer. 00:28:04.341 --> 00:28:08.536 But it is still, it can be one of those, you know, there are some weeks when it's 00:28:08.766 --> 00:28:09.916 a little bit more draining than others. 00:28:10.116 --> 00:28:10.606 Yeah. 00:28:10.606 --> 00:28:10.926 Yeah. 00:28:11.141 --> 00:28:12.136 Cam: Depends what else you got going 00:28:12.276 --> 00:28:12.766 Mikki: Yeah. 00:28:14.356 --> 00:28:14.656 Cam: Yeah. 00:28:14.656 --> 00:28:14.986 It's hard. 00:28:15.006 --> 00:28:15.166 Mikki: hard 00:28:16.636 --> 00:28:23.656 Cam: Anyway, so last week was a bit of a ride off Samoa 00:28:23.996 --> 00:28:24.606 Mikki: Mm-hmm. 00:28:25.606 --> 00:28:28.366 Cam: and then Queens town and then all of this 00:28:28.406 --> 00:28:28.686 Mikki: of this 00:28:29.056 --> 00:28:29.356 Cam: stuff. 00:28:29.356 --> 00:28:29.416 Yeah. 00:28:29.476 --> 00:28:33.719 So basically haven't really made much progress in the business since 00:28:33.719 --> 00:28:36.209 then, but what I'm working on, 00:28:36.329 --> 00:28:36.599 Mikki: yeah. 00:28:38.699 --> 00:28:40.049 Cam: My business coach told me to do. 00:28:40.229 --> 00:28:40.679 Mikki: Oh, great. 00:28:40.739 --> 00:28:41.309 Cam: is a great idea. 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:46.379 May have mentioned it in the last episode that doing these webinars. 00:28:46.779 --> 00:28:47.129 Mikki: So 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.879 Cam: one so far and that was the middle of September before we went to, to 00:28:50.879 --> 00:28:54.623 Hawaii and LA and it wasn't amazing. 00:28:59.933 --> 00:29:00.563 Mikki: It wasn't 00:29:00.563 --> 00:29:01.253 Cam: amazing, but 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:02.774 felt good and I felt like. 00:29:03.584 --> 00:29:03.934 Mikki: It 00:29:03.959 --> 00:29:04.589 Cam: be a thing to do. 00:29:04.589 --> 00:29:06.869 Anyway, so my business coach, I just do one every week 00:29:07.754 --> 00:29:08.654 Mikki: and I'm like, wow, 00:29:08.669 --> 00:29:09.329 Cam: no fucking 00:29:09.374 --> 00:29:09.694 Mikki: wage. 00:29:09.724 --> 00:29:11.014 Yeah, that's a lot. 00:29:11.244 --> 00:29:12.534 I knows no 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:12.779 Cam: way. 00:29:12.784 --> 00:29:15.029 And, but then I'm like, that's what I need to do. 00:29:15.254 --> 00:29:15.644 Mikki: yeah, 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:17.714 Cam: And not because doing one every week's gonna 00:29:17.814 --> 00:29:18.054 Mikki: gonna, 00:29:19.199 --> 00:29:21.899 Cam: grow the business, but doing one every week's gonna 00:29:21.899 --> 00:29:23.849 make me really awesome at 00:29:24.294 --> 00:29:24.854 Mikki: doing. 00:29:24.854 --> 00:29:25.254 Doing. 00:29:25.254 --> 00:29:25.974 Yeah, I agree. 00:29:26.639 --> 00:29:28.469 Cam: And it's gonna make me real, really, 00:29:29.364 --> 00:29:29.854 Mikki: it's. 00:29:29.879 --> 00:29:32.429 Cam: gonna prime me for. 00:29:32.859 --> 00:29:35.429 Then probably moving it to once every two weeks or something. 00:29:35.619 --> 00:29:36.269 Well, I 00:29:36.404 --> 00:29:39.044 Mikki: we should talk about that in our next episode about 00:29:39.044 --> 00:29:40.094 how you're gonna set that up. 00:29:40.094 --> 00:29:44.954 Because I was at your webinar and it was awesome actually. 00:29:44.954 --> 00:29:48.764 I think you under soul, you just sort of underplayed how good it was. 00:29:49.214 --> 00:29:49.484 Yeah. 00:29:49.484 --> 00:29:50.684 Technical issues, whatever. 00:29:51.014 --> 00:29:54.344 And a little bit of apprehension because you're just not used to sharing on that, 00:29:54.614 --> 00:29:54.854 That 00:29:54.989 --> 00:29:55.409 Cam: lies. 00:29:55.469 --> 00:29:55.709 Yeah, 00:29:56.024 --> 00:29:58.244 Mikki: But that's different cuz it's actually people, don. 00:29:59.114 --> 00:30:04.244 And I think this is important, and you probably know it, but that's stuff 00:30:04.244 --> 00:30:05.624 that people actually don't care about. 00:30:05.624 --> 00:30:08.114 They care about the information that people that you have to share 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:09.314 and you share great information. 00:30:10.034 --> 00:30:12.764 But an hour webinar every week is quite a thing. 00:30:12.764 --> 00:30:14.294 So I imagine they're gonna be shorter. 00:30:15.794 --> 00:30:17.024 Cam: Yeah, I think I will. 00:30:18.404 --> 00:30:22.664 I will get more efficient at getting through it in much less 00:30:22.864 --> 00:30:23.354 Mikki: time. 00:30:23.504 --> 00:30:23.714 Yeah. 00:30:24.084 --> 00:30:24.734 Or cut out. 00:30:25.434 --> 00:30:28.454 Cam: Cut out the crap that you know, the gaps and the fillers or. 00:30:28.814 --> 00:30:30.774 Or the cause is a word of opinion. 00:30:30.824 --> 00:30:33.704 And I think that's one good thing about doing it every week for ages as well. 00:30:33.954 --> 00:30:38.204 And you know, and with my sort of volume of people yeah, I'll have times 00:30:38.209 --> 00:30:39.734 where every we know I need Yeah, yeah. 00:30:39.824 --> 00:30:42.074 And I'll just do it and record it or whatever. 00:30:42.734 --> 00:30:43.514 Send out the recording. 00:30:44.534 --> 00:30:45.794 It might have one or two or whatever. 00:30:46.454 --> 00:30:51.530 Yeah, just I think it just will just help build a bit of and also help me 00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:52.730 Mikki: refine it 00:30:53.780 --> 00:30:55.430 Cam: as I go, which I've already done. 00:30:55.430 --> 00:30:56.900 I've changed it up from the first time. 00:30:57.030 --> 00:30:57.830 Mikki: I did it, yeah. 00:30:58.355 --> 00:31:05.105 Cam: Cause the first time I did it and I, I, I focused it on seasonal revenue 00:31:05.495 --> 00:31:08.825 and helping coaches with seasonal revenue and I got a lot of feedback 00:31:08.825 --> 00:31:11.255 saying, actually all of this stuff 00:31:11.510 --> 00:31:12.110 Mikki: was relevant. 00:31:12.905 --> 00:31:13.655 Cam: to every day. 00:31:14.070 --> 00:31:14.310 Mikki: Yeah. 00:31:14.345 --> 00:31:14.405 Cam: Yeah. 00:31:16.475 --> 00:31:17.885 So I'm, I've changed it. 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:18.860 Mikki: just 00:31:18.905 --> 00:31:19.595 Cam: just sort of figuring it out. 00:31:19.595 --> 00:31:19.685 Now. 00:31:19.685 --> 00:31:22.805 I'm gonna change it from, you know, how to, how to level 00:31:22.805 --> 00:31:23.855 out your revenue from big. 00:31:25.295 --> 00:31:28.685 To like actually how to generate more of your revenue in your coaching business. 00:31:28.775 --> 00:31:29.015 Yes. 00:31:29.045 --> 00:31:32.675 How to create a more scalable business model so you can make 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:34.125 more money every day in your 00:31:34.760 --> 00:31:38.060 Mikki: I, I also think that you could take some of those concepts you 00:31:38.060 --> 00:31:41.750 introduced and delve a little bit deeper in their own separate sort of webinar, 00:31:42.050 --> 00:31:43.220 and it could be a half hour thing. 00:31:43.220 --> 00:31:48.950 You know, like, I think there's so many, I'm, I am not giving you advice, 00:31:48.950 --> 00:31:50.060 but I'm just thinking out loud. 00:31:50.060 --> 00:31:52.430 The way I sort of am giving you advice is someone who does these things. 00:31:53.300 --> 00:31:55.880 Is that when you've got a lot of information, you forget that other 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:56.840 people don't know this stuff. 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:57.240 Yeah. 00:31:57.875 --> 00:31:58.085 Cam: Yep. 00:31:58.325 --> 00:32:03.065 And a lot of that stuff, like I, in an hour, I think I cover like four 00:32:03.070 --> 00:32:05.225 different ways to generate more revenue. 00:32:05.345 --> 00:32:05.835 Yeah. 00:32:05.945 --> 00:32:10.205 And each of those things is quite like, you can understand it when you're lifting 00:32:10.205 --> 00:32:13.115 through it, but then it's like, oh, okay, so what are the steps I need to 00:32:13.130 --> 00:32:13.340 Mikki: take? 00:32:13.345 --> 00:32:13.910 Exactly. 00:32:14.165 --> 00:32:18.575 Cam: So then what I might do is then go to a workshop or like a 00:32:18.605 --> 00:32:21.595 office hours type thing where I'll. 00:32:23.070 --> 00:32:23.150 Mikki: Probably 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.715 Cam: set those up every week and then we'll actually go through 00:32:26.765 --> 00:32:28.475 practically how to set those up. 00:32:28.635 --> 00:32:28.956 Yeah, yeah. 00:32:29.015 --> 00:32:30.635 With, with training. 00:32:30.635 --> 00:32:30.875 Tilt 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:31.370 Mikki: software. 00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:32.270 That's a great idea. 00:32:32.615 --> 00:32:34.205 Cam: And then go, right, I'm sending it up here and I'll 00:32:34.205 --> 00:32:35.645 say, you can show up and watch. 00:32:35.825 --> 00:32:36.095 Yeah. 00:32:36.305 --> 00:32:36.875 You want to, 00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:37.160 Mikki: yeah. 00:32:38.015 --> 00:32:38.435 Cam: And 00:32:38.450 --> 00:32:42.620 Mikki: also, Cameron, you could put them together as a bit of a course Yeah. 00:32:43.010 --> 00:32:48.050 To then sell on your website later on, particularly with your new 00:32:48.053 --> 00:32:49.398 gear that you could record stuff 00:32:49.533 --> 00:32:49.923 Cam: Oh yeah. 00:32:50.093 --> 00:32:50.293 My. 00:32:50.733 --> 00:32:51.003 Mikki: Yeah. 00:32:52.023 --> 00:32:52.803 Well, that's exciting. 00:32:53.748 --> 00:32:54.258 So we've already 00:32:54.273 --> 00:32:57.603 Cam: thought about some blog path blog posts to write based 00:32:57.603 --> 00:32:59.253 on the content from the webinar. 00:32:59.793 --> 00:33:03.363 One I wanna do, I need to do shortly is like we're going into the off season. 00:33:03.873 --> 00:33:06.093 We're in the off season for Northern Hemisphere. 00:33:07.203 --> 00:33:07.803 For triathlon. 00:33:07.998 --> 00:33:08.178 Mikki: Yeah. 00:33:09.573 --> 00:33:11.883 Cam: So one of the parts of that webinar. 00:33:12.213 --> 00:33:12.333 Mikki: Just 00:33:13.878 --> 00:33:15.138 Cam: How to strategize. 00:33:15.468 --> 00:33:18.468 Well, you've got some down teas down time in your off season. 00:33:18.573 --> 00:33:19.143 Mikki: Yes. 00:33:19.188 --> 00:33:20.298 Cam: plan a bunch of stuff. 00:33:20.433 --> 00:33:20.643 Mikki: Yeah. 00:33:20.958 --> 00:33:25.338 Cam: Cause I think what happens is a lot of coaches are so busy during 00:33:25.343 --> 00:33:31.698 the season and they get the off season and then wanna take a break or 00:33:31.698 --> 00:33:33.288 whatever and then do some coaching. 00:33:33.288 --> 00:33:38.298 But really they should be then figuring out, it's like doing 00:33:38.733 --> 00:33:38.853 Mikki: strength 00:33:39.498 --> 00:33:40.698 Cam: training in the off season. 00:33:41.853 --> 00:33:43.143 Mikki: Is that if 00:33:43.233 --> 00:33:46.053 Cam: not working in your off season, yeah, you'll come back to 00:33:46.053 --> 00:33:47.553 the pre-season in the next year 00:33:48.243 --> 00:33:48.333 Mikki: and 00:33:48.333 --> 00:33:49.053 Cam: you'll just be, 00:33:49.623 --> 00:33:50.553 Mikki: back where you started. 00:33:50.553 --> 00:33:50.943 You started. 00:33:51.123 --> 00:33:51.363 Yeah. 00:33:51.363 --> 00:33:51.933 It's hard, eh? 00:33:51.933 --> 00:33:52.113 Change 00:33:52.113 --> 00:33:53.583 Cam: training as it is for 00:33:54.493 --> 00:33:54.613 Mikki: business. 00:33:54.833 --> 00:33:55.263 You can't 00:33:55.263 --> 00:33:56.073 Cam: just take your off 00:33:56.073 --> 00:33:56.493 Mikki: season 00:33:57.543 --> 00:33:59.673 Cam: off or just do the normal things that you do. 00:33:59.678 --> 00:34:00.053 Yeah. 00:34:00.483 --> 00:34:01.443 You need to use that for 00:34:02.163 --> 00:34:02.493 Mikki: building 00:34:02.493 --> 00:34:05.879 Cam: strength, setting up systems learning new things. 00:34:05.939 --> 00:34:07.439 Just stuff you didn't have time to do when you 00:34:07.674 --> 00:34:07.794 Mikki: were 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:08.759 Cam: full on working. 00:34:08.794 --> 00:34:09.474 Mikki: in your business. 00:34:09.479 --> 00:34:12.824 And I think that part of that will be energy management throughout your 00:34:12.824 --> 00:34:15.284 on season when you're in season. 00:34:15.434 --> 00:34:18.434 So you don't tax yourself so much that you've got nothing left. 00:34:18.434 --> 00:34:23.504 And I think that's a, and maybe that's a webinar session as well. 00:34:23.509 --> 00:34:28.064 It's like managing your energy when you're in, so you've got that time and space 00:34:28.064 --> 00:34:30.554 because sometimes you're just so taxed. 00:34:30.554 --> 00:34:31.954 That's the last thing you feel like doing. 00:34:32.234 --> 00:34:32.324 Cam: Yep. 00:34:33.134 --> 00:34:33.464 Exactly. 00:34:35.054 --> 00:34:35.324 Anyway. 00:34:35.324 --> 00:34:35.654 Cool. 00:34:35.804 --> 00:34:36.194 Mikki: Cool. 00:34:36.254 --> 00:34:36.854 Nice Cam. 00:34:37.394 --> 00:34:38.054 I think so. 00:34:38.084 --> 00:34:38.294 Cam: All right. 00:34:38.294 --> 00:34:38.924 Catch you next week. 00:34:38.984 --> 00:34:39.224 Mikki: Yeah. 00:34:39.224 --> 00:34:39.554 Ladies.