1 00:00:01,450 --> 00:00:04,430 Welcome to Digication Scholars Conversations. 2 00:00:04,510 --> 00:00:06,479 I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll. 3 00:00:06,590 --> 00:00:11,990 In this episode, you'll hear part one of my conversation with Kyle Hewson, Vice 4 00:00:11,990 --> 00:00:15,889 Chair and Clinical Associate Professor in the Doctorate in Physical Therapy 5 00:00:15,889 --> 00:00:18,330 program at Stony Brook University. 6 00:00:18,909 --> 00:00:23,910 More links and information about today's conversation can be found on Digication's 7 00:00:23,940 --> 00:00:26,050 Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. 8 00:00:26,585 --> 00:00:30,465 Full episodes of Digication Scholars Conversations can be found on 9 00:00:30,474 --> 00:00:33,295 YouTube or your favorite podcast app. 10 00:00:36,915 --> 00:00:39,875 Welcome to Digication Scholars Conversations. 11 00:00:39,905 --> 00:00:41,845 I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll. 12 00:00:41,894 --> 00:00:47,004 And today I'm so excited to introduce our guest, Kyle Hewson. 13 00:00:47,404 --> 00:00:51,455 Kyle is the Vice Chair and Clinical Associate Professor in the Doctorate in 14 00:00:51,455 --> 00:00:53,385 Physical Therapy program at Stanford. 15 00:00:53,410 --> 00:00:55,030 Stony Brook University. 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,350 Welcome, Kyle. 17 00:00:56,730 --> 00:00:57,610 Thank you so much for 18 00:00:57,610 --> 00:00:58,440 having me today. 19 00:00:59,420 --> 00:01:00,330 Absolutely. 20 00:01:00,580 --> 00:01:07,715 So I happen to, uh, So I'm going to track Kyle down, uh, after seeing 21 00:01:07,715 --> 00:01:14,765 some extraordinary student portfolios Digication where the students, 22 00:01:14,915 --> 00:01:21,584 I feel like, are just showcasing this exemplary use of high impact 23 00:01:21,584 --> 00:01:24,515 practices across their education there. 24 00:01:24,835 --> 00:01:32,475 And uh, I discovered that many of them are creating this beautiful showcase of both 25 00:01:32,485 --> 00:01:37,624 their undergraduate work and what they're doing at Stony Brook University within 26 00:01:37,634 --> 00:01:41,395 the platform in really remarkable ways. 27 00:01:41,484 --> 00:01:45,565 And, uh, I discovered, Kyle, that you created what looks like 28 00:01:45,874 --> 00:01:49,554 possibly a beginning template that the students were using as kind 29 00:01:49,554 --> 00:01:51,505 of a springboard to this process. 30 00:01:52,365 --> 00:01:56,324 So I wanted to reach out because you're kind of the powerhouse. 31 00:01:57,380 --> 00:01:59,429 What they're doing in this area. 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,410 And I'm so excited to celebrate what you do and learn more about your 33 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:08,130 background and how you started using these tools with your students. 34 00:02:08,249 --> 00:02:13,799 So I would love Kyle, if you could share with our listeners a little 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,740 bit about how you found your way to. 36 00:02:16,930 --> 00:02:18,330 Stony Brook University. 37 00:02:18,910 --> 00:02:19,240 Great. 38 00:02:19,590 --> 00:02:19,740 All right. 39 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:20,790 Thank you again, Kelly. 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:27,020 Um, so I am a physical therapist, graduate from Hunter College, and for almost 20 41 00:02:27,029 --> 00:02:33,009 years I was clinician, uh, love working in the hospital setting, long term care, 42 00:02:33,410 --> 00:02:35,090 uh, and a little bit of outpatient. 43 00:02:35,170 --> 00:02:37,950 Um, but I always had the dream to be a teacher. 44 00:02:38,380 --> 00:02:39,859 I do have the gift of gab. 45 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:44,809 I love to communicate, um, and I've had a lot of great patient stories through 46 00:02:44,809 --> 00:02:46,899 my life, which I'm very grateful for. 47 00:02:47,420 --> 00:02:51,969 So I, um, started to teach a course at Nassau Community College 48 00:02:51,989 --> 00:02:53,939 in their PT assistant program. 49 00:02:54,545 --> 00:02:59,214 And I was lucky to start, um, as a Clinical Coordinator at a new 50 00:02:59,225 --> 00:03:02,964 program at New York Institute of Technology in Old Westbury. 51 00:03:03,454 --> 00:03:07,054 So they were starting a program there and I was able to start 52 00:03:07,054 --> 00:03:11,904 with the chair and that was my first full time job as faculty. 53 00:03:12,415 --> 00:03:15,075 Um, and I loved, uh, I learned so much. 54 00:03:15,114 --> 00:03:19,665 The, the, the The jump from clinician to academics is huge. 55 00:03:19,945 --> 00:03:23,945 Different language, different ways of being viewed and ideas. 56 00:03:24,075 --> 00:03:29,505 And your, your really, your brain explodes a little bit, but also your heart. 57 00:03:29,704 --> 00:03:34,900 Your heart is like, I get to share all of the, Richness and 58 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:36,900 challenges of being a clinician. 59 00:03:37,390 --> 00:03:39,950 And, uh, and we always know more than our students. 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,000 So you, you feel confident initially. 61 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,029 Um, so there I was able to do some great things. 62 00:03:46,079 --> 00:03:50,380 Um, with a colleague, we did a pro bono clinic and it was 63 00:03:50,519 --> 00:03:51,819 just a great, great experience. 64 00:03:51,820 --> 00:03:56,060 I also started my doctoral degree and education, which helped me, you know, 65 00:03:56,079 --> 00:04:00,550 give some foundational, uh, knowledge to the different areas that I was learning. 66 00:04:00,550 --> 00:04:03,910 I always was kind of in the professionalism and ethics. 67 00:04:03,970 --> 00:04:09,109 So that was kind of my area, and that's what I did my dissertation in. 68 00:04:09,850 --> 00:04:14,050 So then I got the call from a colleague that there was an opening at Stony 69 00:04:14,050 --> 00:04:16,730 Brook University for a similar position. 70 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:20,490 So I moved over, and I have been here for 20 years. 71 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:22,760 Um, and I've had different roles. 72 00:04:22,970 --> 00:04:27,365 Um, Usually involving some type of administration, which is really, I guess, 73 00:04:27,365 --> 00:04:31,035 one of my strengths in the sense of, I love, I call myself a process person. 74 00:04:31,355 --> 00:04:36,154 I like to make, I like to make the whole thing smooth and clear to 75 00:04:36,154 --> 00:04:37,785 whatever the students have to do. 76 00:04:37,845 --> 00:04:42,274 Um, so we're very, it's a customer service here and having our students do the work. 77 00:04:43,305 --> 00:04:43,985 is happening. 78 00:04:44,335 --> 00:04:49,455 Um, at the same time, every year you get to go to a conference, which 79 00:04:49,455 --> 00:04:53,845 is the American Physical Therapy Association Combined Sections Meeting. 80 00:04:53,895 --> 00:04:57,385 And that is when educators from all over the nation come together. 81 00:04:57,744 --> 00:05:01,775 And either you go to something in your area like orthopedics or, so I 82 00:05:01,775 --> 00:05:06,175 used to go to things about clinical education, ethics, professionalism. 83 00:05:06,775 --> 00:05:09,515 And kind of, you know, how education goes in waves. 84 00:05:09,705 --> 00:05:15,275 So definitely the portfolio was mentioned, um, and, uh, they were 85 00:05:15,275 --> 00:05:17,945 talking about showing growth over time. 86 00:05:17,975 --> 00:05:22,194 So they were talking about art and different areas like that. 87 00:05:22,195 --> 00:05:24,284 And, you know, when you go to go for a job, you bring this 88 00:05:24,345 --> 00:05:25,894 large portfolio of your work. 89 00:05:26,294 --> 00:05:27,995 So they started talking about this. 90 00:05:28,025 --> 00:05:29,045 So the light, like. 91 00:05:29,325 --> 00:05:35,835 I would say maybe 2010, 2009, um, we started, um, creating a 92 00:05:35,835 --> 00:05:40,425 portfolio in a binder with, you know, tell us about yourself. 93 00:05:40,545 --> 00:05:44,419 Um, I did connect it to one of my classes, kind of had a portfolio. 94 00:05:44,749 --> 00:05:45,749 Pre and a post. 95 00:05:46,390 --> 00:05:49,559 Uh, so be something that you did in the beginning of your time. 96 00:05:49,559 --> 00:05:50,929 It's a three year program. 97 00:05:51,049 --> 00:05:53,479 So that, and then getting ready to graduate. 98 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:58,479 What is the information that you'd want to have in case a boss asks you, you 99 00:05:58,479 --> 00:06:02,270 know, tell me about yourself, you know, a future boss, I should say, that you have 100 00:06:02,270 --> 00:06:04,669 a chance of kind of tooting your own horn. 101 00:06:05,939 --> 00:06:11,879 So then in 2013 or so, we heard about Stony Brook University 102 00:06:11,889 --> 00:06:16,280 having Digication and having the opportunity for an ePortfolio. 103 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:21,769 I had gone to a meeting with Nancy, who was our head of our area there, 104 00:06:21,809 --> 00:06:26,759 and she brought together someone from PA, also the medical school, 105 00:06:26,799 --> 00:06:30,679 and we just talked about, because now this is the buzzword out there, 106 00:06:30,709 --> 00:06:32,809 kind of what is electronic portfolio. 107 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:38,789 And I thought, oh my goodness, this is so So much nicer and so much easier than me 108 00:06:38,849 --> 00:06:44,439 collecting 85 portfolios in the back of the room and the binders and everything. 109 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:48,109 So, so that's when we started that ePortfolio here. 110 00:06:48,579 --> 00:06:50,844 So I'm going to stop for a second if you have any other questions. 111 00:06:50,845 --> 00:06:52,885 Oh, I have, well, 112 00:06:52,885 --> 00:06:54,804 I have so many questions. 113 00:06:56,445 --> 00:07:01,084 So, um, just hearing you talk, I'm very curious how you, uh, you 114 00:07:01,085 --> 00:07:06,644 know, where the interest in, um, physical therapy really started. 115 00:07:06,654 --> 00:07:11,614 You mentioned that you've always been interested in becoming an educator and 116 00:07:11,625 --> 00:07:13,159 how did you find your way into the field? 117 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,449 Yes, 118 00:07:15,450 --> 00:07:19,369 I read it in a career corner when I was in high school. 119 00:07:19,369 --> 00:07:21,289 Always loved science and math, believe it or not. 120 00:07:21,299 --> 00:07:24,700 The future STEM girl, without even knowing that that was around. 121 00:07:25,929 --> 00:07:29,529 The column basically said, did you want to do something medical, but you didn't 122 00:07:29,529 --> 00:07:30,710 want to be a nurse or a physician? 123 00:07:31,570 --> 00:07:32,229 And I'm like, mm hmm. 124 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:37,560 So, um, I just thought it was so interesting and I did some shadowing 125 00:07:37,570 --> 00:07:42,579 at a local, large hospital and I was put into some situations that I saw. 126 00:07:42,580 --> 00:07:45,779 I saw a patient that had burns and I saw another patient that had 127 00:07:45,779 --> 00:07:51,550 amputations and I saw someone who was mentally challenged and I thought, wow. 128 00:07:52,030 --> 00:07:57,090 I didn't never have these experiences, but I was able to communicate and help. 129 00:07:57,500 --> 00:07:59,770 And I got home, went home and I remember talking to my 130 00:07:59,770 --> 00:08:01,929 parents saying, I can do this. 131 00:08:02,380 --> 00:08:06,190 I feel comfortable and I feel like I can have learned the 132 00:08:06,250 --> 00:08:07,839 skills of what I needed to do. 133 00:08:08,189 --> 00:08:12,400 Um, so then I went to a community college, applied to 10 universities 134 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,110 and I got into Hunter College. 135 00:08:14,110 --> 00:08:16,730 Um, It was very difficult. 136 00:08:16,770 --> 00:08:21,940 So we do have empathy still for our students that this is a very rigorous 137 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:25,370 program, very intense, partially. 138 00:08:25,370 --> 00:08:30,309 I think what it is is you, uh, have a conscientiousness about, I want to 139 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:34,889 remember everything because it's all building blocks and things don't go away. 140 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:38,140 So you can't just study for an exam and forget about it. 141 00:08:38,210 --> 00:08:41,870 So that feeling is kind of on them, weighted on their shoulders. 142 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:44,490 It's a good thing because it kind of keeps them on track. 143 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,589 But we all can relate to that, even if we had a bachelor's or a master's. 144 00:08:49,380 --> 00:08:52,370 The programs years ago were bachelor's degrees and now, of 145 00:08:52,370 --> 00:08:54,219 course, it's a clinical doctorate. 146 00:08:54,269 --> 00:08:58,629 So it's at least seven years to become a physical therapist, so it's four 147 00:08:58,660 --> 00:09:00,569 undergrad and then the graduate. 148 00:09:01,069 --> 00:09:02,490 So, um, yeah. 149 00:09:02,569 --> 00:09:06,130 So, and then I was always, um, involved with students. 150 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:10,400 So as I, you know, you can move up as your clinician, it's like a senior 151 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,510 position or the head of a unit. 152 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,389 Um, so I was in charge of the student program, I think at my third job. 153 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,305 And after that, you know, Who's coming in and what level and, and then who's 154 00:09:22,325 --> 00:09:26,095 having some personality issues or who's having knowledge issues and 155 00:09:26,095 --> 00:09:28,315 trying to be that like a mediator. 156 00:09:28,655 --> 00:09:32,914 My parents joke around that I've been born a mediator because I have four 157 00:09:32,914 --> 00:09:39,654 brothers and I always was like, you know, mom, dad, you know, you know, Lawrence 158 00:09:39,654 --> 00:09:41,704 or Michael, they didn't mean to do that. 159 00:09:41,704 --> 00:09:44,794 And this is what, so that's kind of my thing. 160 00:09:45,584 --> 00:09:46,624 Oh, I love it. 161 00:09:46,734 --> 00:09:48,624 So I have one daughter. 162 00:09:48,810 --> 00:09:52,960 So, I'm just curious. 163 00:09:52,970 --> 00:09:55,100 So where were you in the lineup? 164 00:09:55,170 --> 00:09:55,720 Were you the oldest? 165 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,892 Okay, so is she. 166 00:09:57,892 --> 00:09:58,978 Oh yes. 167 00:09:58,978 --> 00:10:01,693 I'll talk to her later. 168 00:10:01,693 --> 00:10:04,430 I'm sure you guys could have a very good chat. 169 00:10:04,430 --> 00:10:08,669 It's an exciting time. 170 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:09,290 Experience. 171 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:10,310 Yes. 172 00:10:10,380 --> 00:10:16,500 And she definitely, uh, does a good job at kind of leading, leading the pack. 173 00:10:17,829 --> 00:10:20,949 That's when you say, was your career chosen for you or you 174 00:10:20,949 --> 00:10:22,140 were chosen for the career? 175 00:10:23,030 --> 00:10:26,599 Yeah, absolutely. 176 00:10:26,599 --> 00:10:26,829 Oh, 177 00:10:26,839 --> 00:10:32,229 well, thank you so much for, for sharing that background and, uh, you know, as 178 00:10:32,229 --> 00:10:37,805 you're Speaking, I can tell that you do have this incredible passion for being 179 00:10:37,805 --> 00:10:44,575 able to communicate and, um, you know, kind of provide support for individuals, 180 00:10:44,595 --> 00:10:46,434 even just speaking about your family. 181 00:10:46,434 --> 00:10:49,225 You know, you were trying to make it clear to your parents that your 182 00:10:49,635 --> 00:10:51,555 brothers did something by accident. 183 00:10:52,014 --> 00:10:54,304 Um, and it sounds like this has been a really useful experience. 184 00:10:54,305 --> 00:10:57,875 Full skill for you to bring into what you're doing in your work 185 00:10:57,875 --> 00:11:02,310 with patients and also with your work with, uh, the students too. 186 00:11:03,595 --> 00:11:09,825 Um, so I wanted to talk a little bit about, uh, some of the, so I 187 00:11:09,830 --> 00:11:13,095 mentioned when we started speaking that it just seems like what your 188 00:11:13,095 --> 00:11:15,165 students are doing really exemplifies. 189 00:11:15,225 --> 00:11:18,665 A lot of high impact practices that are a big focus in 190 00:11:19,285 --> 00:11:19,505 higher 191 00:11:19,505 --> 00:11:21,155 education today. 192 00:11:21,275 --> 00:11:24,884 You know, you've got experiential learning built in, you've got 193 00:11:24,885 --> 00:11:27,205 project based learning built in. 194 00:11:27,215 --> 00:11:32,454 They're clearly having a very integrative and reflective experience as they 195 00:11:32,454 --> 00:11:36,650 move from Each course to the next, as you mentioned, kind of building 196 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:41,199 upon that foundation of knowledge and making connections throughout. 197 00:11:41,209 --> 00:11:45,060 So, I wanted to spend some time talking about that a little bit, because I 198 00:11:45,099 --> 00:11:49,009 think some of our listeners are really familiar with the Hyatt practices, 199 00:11:49,010 --> 00:11:53,830 some are not, you know, and how that might fit into these kinds of 200 00:11:53,830 --> 00:11:58,270 healthcare education I think is really important for people to understand. 201 00:11:58,849 --> 00:12:05,510 Um, so, if you could talk a little bit about what the kind of experiential 202 00:12:05,510 --> 00:12:10,450 learning opportunities that your students have at Stony Brook University? 203 00:12:10,450 --> 00:12:15,949 I'm imagining there's probably a great deal of kind of field work and beginning 204 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,669 to have connections with patrons. 205 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:18,939 Could you describe that a little bit? 206 00:12:19,725 --> 00:12:20,375 Absolutely. 207 00:12:20,785 --> 00:12:26,705 So, as a kind of connected together, at the same time, I want to say probably 208 00:12:27,135 --> 00:12:32,855 it's maybe 2010 also, um, I had spoke to my chair about the idea of including 209 00:12:32,905 --> 00:12:35,535 a service, uh, uh, requirement. 210 00:12:35,944 --> 00:12:38,055 So they had to do 30 hours. 211 00:12:38,055 --> 00:12:38,272 We tried to... 212 00:12:38,272 --> 00:12:38,344 We. 213 00:12:39,325 --> 00:12:43,405 Figure out as a faculty how many hours When should they be able to start this? 214 00:12:43,564 --> 00:12:46,955 And, you know, service learning is incorporated in many physical 215 00:12:46,955 --> 00:12:48,855 therapy programs as a course. 216 00:12:49,335 --> 00:12:54,684 Um, it's also, especially if someone has a faculty clinic or a pro bono 217 00:12:54,684 --> 00:12:56,484 clinic, then they have hours in there. 218 00:12:56,505 --> 00:13:01,704 So I wanted to keep it, uh, looser and more open, um, with different areas. 219 00:13:01,744 --> 00:13:04,494 The idea was to kind of get out of the classroom and do 220 00:13:04,604 --> 00:13:06,234 something good for the world. 221 00:13:06,554 --> 00:13:10,185 And, um, if they already had been a coach for their child's team, 222 00:13:10,825 --> 00:13:11,855 You got to do something new. 223 00:13:12,175 --> 00:13:13,855 So you can create something or not. 224 00:13:13,855 --> 00:13:14,995 So anyway, it was really good. 225 00:13:15,195 --> 00:13:19,625 And, and the idea that this actually fit into the portfolio beautifully. 226 00:13:19,975 --> 00:13:24,735 So they have to log their hours and then they have to write reflective 227 00:13:24,765 --> 00:13:28,275 paper, um, about, and with different questions, you know, some of it is, 228 00:13:28,294 --> 00:13:31,865 you know, what was your best moment in the 30 hours that you chose? 229 00:13:32,925 --> 00:13:33,755 What do you do? 230 00:13:33,775 --> 00:13:36,855 Um, do you think that physical therapists should be advocates? 231 00:13:37,245 --> 00:13:41,125 And do you see that this is something that you would do once you become a clinician? 232 00:13:41,405 --> 00:13:44,055 Like, so now you are in a small outpatient practice. 233 00:13:44,494 --> 00:13:46,055 Do you sponsor a health fair? 234 00:13:46,065 --> 00:13:49,814 Do you pick a charity for the year that you do things for? 235 00:13:49,814 --> 00:13:52,915 So, it's to kind of open their mind and see that even if you're 236 00:13:52,915 --> 00:13:54,495 busy, you can fit this in. 237 00:13:55,175 --> 00:13:57,925 So, um, so that was a great, so it was a great place on 238 00:13:57,925 --> 00:13:59,985 the portfolio to put that in. 239 00:14:00,315 --> 00:14:04,700 And through the three Classes that I have with them, we would always 240 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,560 spend time on the last class. 241 00:14:06,950 --> 00:14:09,790 All right, we've updated our portfolios, let's go in. 242 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,760 And they would look at each other's and we would share. 243 00:14:13,129 --> 00:14:14,860 What have you been doing in service? 244 00:14:14,930 --> 00:14:17,500 Okay, everyone that helped on interview day. 245 00:14:17,510 --> 00:14:19,309 Everybody that helped with the health fair. 246 00:14:19,660 --> 00:14:22,000 Let's go into some groups and talk about it. 247 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,900 Open up the portfolio and see, Oh my gosh, there's great pictures. 248 00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:28,360 Our students have been at the New York City Marathon. 249 00:14:28,690 --> 00:14:29,770 Um, you know, we're very lucky. 250 00:14:29,770 --> 00:14:33,760 We're the east end of Long Island, but we have access to the city. 251 00:14:34,009 --> 00:14:36,469 Having a large faculty, we have over 16 of us. 252 00:14:36,620 --> 00:14:40,480 Everyone has different interests and different, um, you know, Some 253 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,430 things have been created by them, um, and it's on our website. 254 00:14:44,430 --> 00:14:44,880 They're different. 255 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,480 And then other ones we just join. 256 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:50,470 Um, so it's just to kind of get them up and out, you know, to take a walk 257 00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:55,099 or a run with one of your students on a Saturday is a very different 258 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:59,000 experience than, you know, but there we're done, so it's been really good. 259 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,130 And every year is different. 260 00:15:00,140 --> 00:15:01,280 Some students have. 261 00:15:01,740 --> 00:15:06,250 Spearheaded some very, you know, involved things and then everything is okay. 262 00:15:06,250 --> 00:15:08,160 Like we have a Super Bowl going on now. 263 00:15:08,180 --> 00:15:09,380 Bring some cans of soup. 264 00:15:09,729 --> 00:15:10,920 Very easy, you know. 265 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,290 And so, yeah. 266 00:15:12,350 --> 00:15:16,789 So that's, we don't, um, we, the first semester is very difficult. 267 00:15:16,789 --> 00:15:17,800 And so is the second. 268 00:15:17,830 --> 00:15:21,440 So we just start kind of talking about service right now for the first year. 269 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,000 So they have, you know, now how, where can you put an hour or two in? 270 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,360 And they have plenty of time, but, um, it is really, uh, initially they always 271 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,870 say, Oh my gosh, this sounds like such a difficult thing, but then it's good. 272 00:15:33,870 --> 00:15:35,040 So that's one piece of it. 273 00:15:35,070 --> 00:15:36,440 Very fulfilling. 274 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:36,650 Yeah, 275 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:37,830 absolutely. 276 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:40,760 And you know, they've done some great things as undergrads too. 277 00:15:40,820 --> 00:15:41,880 So, so that's for me. 278 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,429 That's the ePortfolio too is, um, it's two pieces for me. 279 00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:46,629 It's toot your own horn. 280 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,660 And also in the beginning, who are you? 281 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,610 So they get to come in and I'm asked and it did create a template and 282 00:15:52,610 --> 00:15:54,540 the first page is a welcome page. 283 00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:55,910 And basically it's fun. 284 00:15:55,940 --> 00:15:58,350 Five, five fun facts about yourself. 285 00:15:58,350 --> 00:15:58,880 Yeah. 286 00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:02,530 Tell us, you know, someone, look, I love spaghetti, or you know, I have 287 00:16:02,530 --> 00:16:06,910 four dogs, or there's a of thing about food and pets and travel. 288 00:16:07,209 --> 00:16:10,360 Um, but we'll have something like, oh, I play six instruments. 289 00:16:10,420 --> 00:16:11,199 Be like, what? 290 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:11,470 You know? 291 00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:14,620 So, um, and then we, you know, so these type of things, and there's 292 00:16:14,625 --> 00:16:16,660 pictures and videos and quotes. 293 00:16:16,660 --> 00:16:19,900 So the first page can kind of be, and it's really fun. 294 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:23,410 So they, um, so I of course look at that and I'll get to 295 00:16:23,415 --> 00:16:24,610 know them through the summer. 296 00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:29,300 And then I tell their faculty advisors, okay, you know, uh, your 297 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:31,410 students have put up their portfolio. 298 00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:36,180 They told you about themselves, um, and there's pictures and they get to put up 299 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:38,490 their diploma, pictures of undergrad. 300 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,039 It's just like a, you know, initially it's kind of like electronic scrapbook, uh, but 301 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,528 it's just kind of everything about them. 302 00:16:44,528 --> 00:16:46,995 Um, and then I tell them, you know, Some of the faculty then 303 00:16:46,995 --> 00:16:51,035 use this to kind of use as ice breakers throughout the courses. 304 00:16:51,095 --> 00:16:55,955 So it'll be like, all right, I heard that two or three of you are into surfing. 305 00:16:56,024 --> 00:16:57,785 All right, stand up, tell me. 306 00:16:58,255 --> 00:17:01,955 So, and then they use that, you know, as kind of like, or, or something funny 307 00:17:01,955 --> 00:17:05,634 about, you know, oh, someone's who's been to Alaska in this, in this class. 308 00:17:06,154 --> 00:17:06,854 I know who it is. 309 00:17:07,085 --> 00:17:08,115 And then, you know, that person. 310 00:17:08,145 --> 00:17:12,175 So, so it's just a nice way to, and you know, we, we've done that through 311 00:17:12,175 --> 00:17:13,815 the years and it's been a lot of fun. 312 00:17:13,845 --> 00:17:14,935 So just like a little area. 313 00:17:14,944 --> 00:17:15,395 And then. 314 00:17:15,785 --> 00:17:19,495 Sometimes while we've done reviews at the end, even in the third year, I'll 315 00:17:19,495 --> 00:17:24,025 say, okay, pick someone in the room that you don't really know that well, even 316 00:17:24,025 --> 00:17:25,755 after all these years of being together. 317 00:17:26,125 --> 00:17:26,465 Okay. 318 00:17:26,465 --> 00:17:27,515 Open up their portfolio. 319 00:17:27,835 --> 00:17:28,215 What? 320 00:17:28,385 --> 00:17:32,365 I didn't know that you've gone to 26 countries or that you, your goal 321 00:17:32,365 --> 00:17:36,925 is to hit every national park in America, you know, so they still 322 00:17:36,925 --> 00:17:38,555 can learn things about each other. 323 00:17:38,935 --> 00:17:40,165 Um, so, which is great. 324 00:17:40,205 --> 00:17:41,755 So again, it's definitely, yeah. 325 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:47,440 Yeah, and the fact that, so it kind of, so at Digication, we talk a 326 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:52,230 lot about students being able to use the platform as a way to be 327 00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:54,770 seen, be heard, and be recognized. 328 00:17:55,140 --> 00:18:00,040 And it sounds like you've had a number of different opportunities for the 329 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,880 students to use it like that before they're even thinking about possibly 330 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:08,510 using it as a career advancement tool. 331 00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:11,220 It sounds like you're using it as a tool to kind of build 332 00:18:11,260 --> 00:18:13,280 community within the program. 333 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:13,400 Yes. 334 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:18,070 I love that the advisors have an opportunity to see it. 335 00:18:18,090 --> 00:18:21,650 It sounds like before the students even arrive, is that correct? 336 00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:22,130 Yes. 337 00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:23,579 So in the summer, it's kind of quiet. 338 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:24,530 Most of our faculty. 339 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,980 Only two of us teach them, and they have a very large anatomy class. 340 00:18:28,060 --> 00:18:30,850 So, kind of full, full blast is back in the fall. 341 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:35,090 All the faculty are back, and they get to meet their students. 342 00:18:35,930 --> 00:18:36,160 Yeah. 343 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,689 How wonderful that they have that kind of introduction to them and already have 344 00:18:42,689 --> 00:18:49,310 a face to a name before they have their kind of first in person interactions. 345 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:52,220 And I love that it's being used as a tool for the students. 346 00:18:52,285 --> 00:18:55,925 To connect to one another in their classes as well. 347 00:18:55,935 --> 00:19:01,345 I'm sure going through this program as rigorous as it is to have as 348 00:19:01,345 --> 00:19:05,975 many, you know, strong connections to other peers is really valuable. 349 00:19:06,395 --> 00:19:09,845 Um, and it sounds like this is being used as a great way to kind of set 350 00:19:09,845 --> 00:19:13,495 the stage for where they may have some common ground or interesting 351 00:19:13,495 --> 00:19:15,495 things to learn about each other. 352 00:19:15,565 --> 00:19:16,325 I love that. 353 00:19:16,765 --> 00:19:17,035 Absolutely. 354 00:19:17,045 --> 00:19:17,675 Yeah. 355 00:19:18,415 --> 00:19:23,814 Um, and as we're talking about service, um, I just wanted to bring up as I was 356 00:19:23,995 --> 00:19:28,395 kind of preparing to talk to you today, I learned about some of the service work 357 00:19:28,395 --> 00:19:35,535 that you're doing on in your, um, bio and, um, I believe it's called parfore. 358 00:19:35,555 --> 00:19:37,205 Am I remembering that correctly? 359 00:19:37,215 --> 00:19:37,745 Yes. 360 00:19:37,745 --> 00:19:38,145 Yes. 361 00:19:38,610 --> 00:19:42,020 So, um, yeah, this is a great program. 362 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:46,330 It's actually not at Stony Brook anymore, but it's, um, it's over 363 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:48,400 at Toro's been using at MIT. 364 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,370 So, but I'll talk quickly. 365 00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:54,959 So this is, um, how we, yeah, it was a golf program for children in middle 366 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:58,780 school where gangs are prevalent. 367 00:19:59,170 --> 00:20:00,350 in Suffolk County. 368 00:20:00,770 --> 00:20:03,680 So, um, again, it's one of those kind of brainchilds. 369 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,950 It was my good friend, Alex Lopez, who was an OT and the two of us work together. 370 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,550 Um, and then we would have our, open it up to our students and able to let them, 371 00:20:14,889 --> 00:20:21,090 um, you know, join, um, basically golf is, has rules and, you know, you, someone 372 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:24,745 does a good shot and you, you know, Give a little proper clap, you know, and you, 373 00:20:24,745 --> 00:20:31,745 you walk, you walk around fresh air, um, one of the students, I'll never forget. 374 00:20:31,745 --> 00:20:32,595 He was so funny. 375 00:20:32,935 --> 00:20:36,345 He says, Kyle, it's so beautiful out here on the golf course. 376 00:20:36,905 --> 00:20:37,695 Um, you know what? 377 00:20:37,734 --> 00:20:39,675 They should really put houses up here. 378 00:20:39,704 --> 00:20:41,134 I'm like, no, no, no. 379 00:20:41,134 --> 00:20:44,875 The idea is, it's just, you know, so we, we laughed, you know, but, um, 380 00:20:45,435 --> 00:20:51,314 Kids who wouldn't join a normal club in their school, everyone would join our 381 00:20:51,325 --> 00:20:56,074 program and the idea was that everyone is equal and everyone has a chance to, 382 00:20:56,485 --> 00:20:59,244 to try and learn and mentorship that way. 383 00:20:59,244 --> 00:21:02,344 So we had, it was really, uh, the whole model was just wonderful. 384 00:21:02,574 --> 00:21:06,705 And that's kind of how the other programs that we have presently, it's, there's 385 00:21:06,715 --> 00:21:11,124 always, uh, our students being, you know, in their twenties is that, you know, 386 00:21:11,515 --> 00:21:13,895 between the actual whoever's involved. 387 00:21:13,895 --> 00:21:17,035 It could be an eight year old who's now working out for the first time, 388 00:21:17,395 --> 00:21:21,575 or it could be someone, you know, older, who's having falls recently. 389 00:21:21,764 --> 00:21:26,905 Like they're the ones to kind of give that extra, um, warmth and knowledge 390 00:21:26,934 --> 00:21:28,735 and make the person feel comfortable. 391 00:21:28,754 --> 00:21:33,435 So, and that teaches them again, how to adapt to different types of audiences. 392 00:21:33,605 --> 00:21:38,314 You know, they have four clinicals and they have different experiences 393 00:21:38,425 --> 00:21:39,574 and some of them are very nervous. 394 00:21:39,585 --> 00:21:41,075 Some of them have never worked in a large. 395 00:21:42,215 --> 00:21:44,505 So, um, this lets them do that. 396 00:21:45,095 --> 00:21:49,865 Um, the other idea with the ePortfolio is that it's a scrapbook for them. 397 00:21:49,895 --> 00:21:55,184 So they only get this beautiful note from a patient, you know, it was so great to 398 00:21:55,185 --> 00:21:58,704 work with you, you know, you're going to make a great physical therapist. 399 00:21:58,965 --> 00:22:00,125 What do you do with that? 400 00:22:00,215 --> 00:22:02,495 I'm like, Oh, you can scan it in. 401 00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:04,605 and put it in your portfolio. 402 00:22:04,895 --> 00:22:07,925 Um, the idea, you know, I said it, so it's kind of like a meet and greet. 403 00:22:07,965 --> 00:22:08,595 Who are you? 404 00:22:08,595 --> 00:22:11,874 But also then of course, like typical growth over time. 405 00:22:12,585 --> 00:22:17,674 So the idea that they put up a PowerPoint that they did in their first year with two 406 00:22:17,674 --> 00:22:22,994 or three people, even just to show them how advanced they've become in some of 407 00:22:22,994 --> 00:22:27,415 their presentations by the third year, you know, they have this and that, and they're 408 00:22:27,415 --> 00:22:29,355 just, their references are awesome. 409 00:22:29,355 --> 00:22:31,664 And they're able to pull in a video or something. 410 00:22:31,665 --> 00:22:32,824 So just, and they feel. 411 00:22:34,245 --> 00:22:37,265 cause I'd say, Oh, I was such a nervous person that first time I 412 00:22:37,265 --> 00:22:41,265 had to get up in front of 80 80 students, you know, so, so it's kind 413 00:22:41,265 --> 00:22:43,225 of neat, you know, that, that happens. 414 00:22:43,535 --> 00:22:50,014 Yeah, we find it's very empowering for students to be able to look back on where 415 00:22:50,015 --> 00:22:51,589 they were and really in just learning. 416 00:22:51,730 --> 00:22:56,490 It's a short period of time in the grand scheme of things, you know, 417 00:22:56,899 --> 00:23:02,099 who they were and what their skills were when they joined your program. 418 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:07,789 And this incredible transformation that happens over those few years. 419 00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:08,459 Yeah. 420 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:08,994 Absolutely. 421 00:23:09,254 --> 00:23:15,535 It's so telling, you know, being able to not only see kind of their 422 00:23:15,555 --> 00:23:22,275 reflections about the experience, but to be able to look at some of the actual 423 00:23:22,285 --> 00:23:25,575 work and projects that they created. 424 00:23:26,044 --> 00:23:34,275 Um, again, it just kind of supports what you said about how rigorous the program 425 00:23:34,275 --> 00:23:43,334 is that the students have this really kind of longitudinal showcase of what they've 426 00:23:43,335 --> 00:23:48,465 done throughout your program at various levels and this beautiful way that they 427 00:23:48,835 --> 00:23:51,085 connect pieces of what they've done. 428 00:23:51,284 --> 00:23:51,405 Right. 429 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:58,825 I also love there's an area, um, where I think some students have a 430 00:23:58,825 --> 00:24:04,194 presentation and some have written these beautiful personal statements 431 00:24:04,265 --> 00:24:08,414 about, you know, maybe why they've come. 432 00:24:09,130 --> 00:24:11,130 To study physical therapy. 433 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,330 Some of them have very powerful stories about, you know, maybe their connection 434 00:24:16,330 --> 00:24:20,620 to past physical therapy when they were younger or a family member that 435 00:24:20,620 --> 00:24:22,770 needed that and the impact that it has. 436 00:24:23,290 --> 00:24:28,760 Um, what kind of, uh, maybe mentorship or scaffolding do 437 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,710 you give the students as they're creating those personal statements? 438 00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:34,679 Are they doing that as part of the 439 00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:35,620 curriculum? 440 00:24:35,730 --> 00:24:35,980 Yes. 441 00:24:36,020 --> 00:24:40,495 So that is actually, um, The application, we use a company, P. 442 00:24:40,495 --> 00:24:40,705 T. 443 00:24:40,735 --> 00:24:44,155 Cass, and every year there is a new question. 444 00:24:44,505 --> 00:24:46,885 So that is their physical therapy essay. 445 00:24:47,845 --> 00:24:52,545 So they are given the option to post that essay or to actually just then 446 00:24:52,545 --> 00:24:54,885 share Why did you want to be a therapist? 447 00:24:55,125 --> 00:24:58,425 If, if it was, you know, because sometimes, um, you know, one year 448 00:24:58,425 --> 00:25:02,835 it was a little more like, uh, tell us about qualities that you feel a 449 00:25:02,835 --> 00:25:04,295 healthcare professional should have. 450 00:25:04,614 --> 00:25:07,605 And that would be the essay, which was again, very powerful. 451 00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:09,614 But then, so I kind of give them the option. 452 00:25:09,614 --> 00:25:12,535 I said, you can go back into your essay that you had posted, 453 00:25:12,785 --> 00:25:14,425 which is very, Really great. 454 00:25:14,455 --> 00:25:18,305 And usually there is part of their story of why they, something in their family 455 00:25:18,305 --> 00:25:22,324 or on themselves, or again, why did you want to be a physical therapist? 456 00:25:22,375 --> 00:25:23,615 So that's up there too. 457 00:25:23,875 --> 00:25:26,034 And it's just, again, more information about them. 458 00:25:26,045 --> 00:25:28,055 It kind of starts the beginning of their story. 459 00:25:28,085 --> 00:25:31,334 I, uh, in the summer, I joke around like, all right, so, you know, again, 460 00:25:31,815 --> 00:25:36,245 how many people here were into sports and then they, you know, they hurt 461 00:25:36,245 --> 00:25:40,004 their knee and then, you know, a third of them stand up or, you know, so 462 00:25:40,004 --> 00:25:43,014 we kind of talk, cause we talk about my classes in the summer with is. 463 00:25:43,925 --> 00:25:46,925 Professional Practice One and its foundations. 464 00:25:46,985 --> 00:25:48,665 So it's all about physical therapy. 465 00:25:48,825 --> 00:25:52,405 We kind of bring them all together like, Oh, who's, who's worked as an aid and 466 00:25:52,415 --> 00:25:56,164 who's had therapy on them and who, what do you know about physical therapy? 467 00:25:56,445 --> 00:25:58,724 Um, some of the legal and some of the ethical. 468 00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:01,174 And so it's like, it fits really nicely in there. 469 00:26:01,175 --> 00:26:02,754 Like who, who are you bring? 470 00:26:02,764 --> 00:26:05,295 And then everyone will be like, and there's connections. 471 00:26:05,305 --> 00:26:09,375 So it'd be like, Oh, I worked with a therapist and she was a wonderful 472 00:26:09,395 --> 00:26:11,524 clinician with vestibular problems. 473 00:26:12,004 --> 00:26:12,975 Oh my gosh, me too. 474 00:26:12,975 --> 00:26:14,104 They know this same person. 475 00:26:14,175 --> 00:26:17,675 So you'll find all these connections throughout the summer of people 476 00:26:17,675 --> 00:26:22,345 who have worked together or know each, knew a therapist and, uh, they 477 00:26:22,385 --> 00:26:25,834 talk very proudly of the therapist they have worked with either as a 478 00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:28,135 volunteer or as, you know, employed. 479 00:26:28,655 --> 00:26:33,805 They said, Oh, I, I watch this person across the room and I see how they're 480 00:26:33,815 --> 00:26:39,060 able to temper their voice or they're able to, you know, Use their non 481 00:26:39,070 --> 00:26:42,970 verbals or they're able to bring kind of people together through a funny 482 00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:46,280 story or so the feeling of community. 483 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:48,139 So, that's really what they're learning then. 484 00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:50,979 So, they bring that because then we, you know, of course, you always talk 485 00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:55,339 about what a professional isn't and of course, there's some, some good 486 00:26:55,499 --> 00:26:57,480 stories with, with no names mentioned. 487 00:26:58,139 --> 00:26:59,310 Right, right, right. 488 00:26:59,639 --> 00:27:05,675 Yeah, but it really speaks to this power of storytelling really in, uh, 489 00:27:06,425 --> 00:27:12,374 creating connections with others, which is a huge part of what they're 490 00:27:12,374 --> 00:27:17,504 going to be doing as part of their field experience and after graduation. 491 00:27:17,984 --> 00:27:22,955 Um, so it makes a lot of sense that it's kind of built into, um, kind 492 00:27:22,955 --> 00:27:26,844 of that initial essay as they're, they're joining the program, then 493 00:27:26,844 --> 00:27:31,065 you continue to give them opportunity to, I think the students know 494 00:27:31,065 --> 00:27:35,735 that I always say that, that you, and again, that's why if you are a good 495 00:27:35,765 --> 00:27:41,264 clinician, hopefully you become a good teacher because you may explain, this 496 00:27:41,325 --> 00:27:45,055 is the medical diagnosis and these are all the signs and symptoms, but then 497 00:27:45,055 --> 00:27:51,399 you share a story about someone that you work with who, you know, Again, was 498 00:27:51,399 --> 00:27:55,499 not able to take their medicine and look what happened and that, or that they were 499 00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:58,209 able to handle a very traumatic event. 500 00:27:58,610 --> 00:28:02,849 Those things, they remember those stories, you know, kind of how 501 00:28:02,850 --> 00:28:05,109 it happened and the pieces to it. 502 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:11,069 Here's a preview of what's coming up next in part two of my conversation with Kyle 503 00:28:11,069 --> 00:28:15,359 Hewson, Vice Chair and Clinical Associate Professor in the Doctorate in Physical 504 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,129 Therapy program at Stony Brook University. 505 00:28:18,730 --> 00:28:22,640 I think it's three classes that they really enjoyed and did some 506 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,340 kind of project like you mentioned. 507 00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:28,769 So, um, you know, I, I always say to them, by the time you graduate, after three 508 00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:34,020 years, you'll have every type of learning methodology, teaching methodology to you. 509 00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:34,470 You know, there's. 510 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:38,780 Group work and there's presentations and there's, um, going out to a clinic. 511 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,300 Uh, so we use our, um, veterans home right on campus. 512 00:28:42,790 --> 00:28:47,100 And so you learn something in neurology, neurological, physical therapy, but 513 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:50,910 now you actually go and try it and connect with one of our residents. 514 00:28:51,189 --> 00:28:52,179 See you next time.