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Thanks for watching!

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what is up everybody and welcome to the

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united states department of nerds where we

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are for the people by the people and

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of the people and tonight the convention

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floor is soaked in fake blood maybe your

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con badge has been scanned the cosplays

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immaculate but something is about to go

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eerily wrong

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From the neon-lit hearts of fandom rises

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an indie horror flick so amazing I had

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to get the team on here.

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And that is ZombieCon Volume One where

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cosplay, chaos, and carnage collide.

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And joining me tonight are the architects

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themselves.

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We have Kyle Valley.

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And Aaron, Anya, join us tonight.

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And they are the co-writers,

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the directors, the producers, the actors.

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I'm pretty sure they did some music.

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And I think the list goes on and

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on and on.

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But welcome to the show, y'all.

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We're glad you are here.

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thank you so much for having us i

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hope that we can live up to that

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intro that was absolutely amazing i told

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you i do intros right thank you thank

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you thank you my work is done but

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um so let's just dive right into the

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ground floor here open up the big body

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bag of questions we have prepared and

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start at ground zero this is a wild

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mix of horror comedy fashion and a deep

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love for the cosplay culture

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where did this spark for this movie come

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from with a love of conventions a love

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of cosplay a love of zombies how did

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y'all get into this or how did this

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come about for y'all

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So I think it was,

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it's fair to say it was a very

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good mixture of all of the elements you

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just mentioned, you know,

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zombies came from the fact that it was

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our first indie film, you know,

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first time taking a stab at doing a

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feature film,

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had done a number of short films,

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some web series.

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And, um,

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Zombies seem like a natural kind of first

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filmmaker film.

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So we started hunting around ideas and

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like what was possible on like an ultra

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low budget.

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That was like, to me,

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the obvious go to just because that's kind

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of where the genre started with Romero,

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like, you know,

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getting the butcher down the street to

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bring in a bunch of dead body part

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or like, you know,

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animal body parts and stuff like it always

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reminds me of an indie film.

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And then from the cosplay element,

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that was.

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born out of a lifelong love of like

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going to conventions anime you know

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basically being a geek my whole life and

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kind of in the nerd like in the

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fandoms before it was like a cool thing

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to do like early nineties where no one

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at school really knew what marvel and dc

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were like my dad was a huge like

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old time like first generation marvel dc

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fan comic collector so he introduced me to

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everything like really early on

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And this is part of his dad's collection

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up behind me.

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I was looking at that collection.

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I was like, that is impressive.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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I didn't mean to steal your thunder.

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No, you're fine.

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No.

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And speaking of that collection.

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So my brother's house is even more

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ridiculous than that.

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It's got like it looks like a museum

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full with like all kinds of replica props,

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some original, a lot of replicas.

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And we were down there visiting.

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And I, you know,

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upon like walking through the place,

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you know,

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seeing everything and then picking up on

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like a Captain America shield

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specifically, I was like,

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that would be a really cool thing to

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like kill a zombie with.

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It'd be a great defense weapon.

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It could be used to like, you know,

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sever a head like, you know, this.

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And then I was thinking, well,

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how do I introduce that into a zombie

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movie?

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Because we were in the middle of trying

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to make that happen.

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And I was like, oh, wait.

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who would have all this stuff a cosplayer

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would have well i'm a cosplayer i have

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all this stuff i don't think i've ever

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seen a movie about cosplayers and it just

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the snowball started rolling from there

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and one thing leads into another and it's

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like okay cosplayers versus zombies this

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is this is where we're going now that's

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legit i i love that it was just

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like pure passion project from start to

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finish so how long did it take y'all

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to come up with the concept

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I think the concept was basically like...

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Rather,

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how long did it take to write is

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what I mean.

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I'm sorry.

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The writing was pretty fast.

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I think it was maybe like two months.

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Yeah, a month or two.

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Yeah, we were...

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Once we kind of had the idea,

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it was just off to the races.

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And we would sit in a circle with

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myself, Manny, and Aaron.

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We would talk about it and kind of

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go off and pump out pages and...

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I think I pumped out.

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I'm a pretty fast rider.

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And as soon as I get excited about

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an idea,

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Kyle just was off to the races.

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There was no stopping him like he you

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know, we'd be talking about that.

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Oh, no.

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Fantastic.

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Yeah.

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It was like, you know,

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do you want to take a stab at

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this?

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And I'll take a stab at that.

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And he would come in with like fully

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fleshed out scenes, not even rough drafts,

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like everything put together.

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And the script came together really fast.

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And Manny and I were basically really

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good.

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Manny plays Rocket as well in the film.

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Rocket.

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Love his character.

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The way he executed that role.

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We should have reached out and got

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everybody on here.

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Just brought the whole team in because

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that would have been a blast to have

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all y'all.

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They all look like they were so much

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fun to have on set.

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it was it would be a huge party

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that's for sure yeah so how did that

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relationship happen with all those guys

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like like bringing them in because i know

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um manny luke who is rocket punky johnson

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and i think christian played poppierre

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And like, how did like all these, like,

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were y'all already friends or were you,

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that was like somebody y'all reached out

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to and it's like, Hey,

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would y'all like to be in my zombie

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movie?

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So basically when I first moved to LA,

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I took an acting class and the first

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person I met in the acting class was

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punky and we ended up becoming roommates

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and lived together for awhile.

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Uh, and in that same acting class,

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it's like a two part acting class.

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So, you know,

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the first year I met punky and then

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in the second tier,

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which was like the graduated course,

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we both met Christian,

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started hanging out with Christian,

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you know, a year later,

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I met Aaron at a commercial acting

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workshop.

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It's always the acting workshops.

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You gotta meet him somewhere.

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That's right.

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And after Aaron and I got together,

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we were both auditioning.

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She was a much more seasoned actor.

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She'd been in a ton of stuff.

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She's been acting since she was a kid,

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like super high level stuff.

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I was a total newbie,

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like fresh out of college,

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like

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following a dream, you know,

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before I had to get like a quote

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unquote real job or do anything like that.

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And just trying to take one last stab

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at like making that happen for myself.

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Um,

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so she was kind of coaching me through

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like the auditioning process and stuff.

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But I remember I had a really,

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really bad anxiety when it came to the

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auditioning process.

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I didn't understand it.

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I didn't know what they were looking for.

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Everyone tells you they're looking for

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this or that or something different.

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Like don't come with too much energy,

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but come with energy.

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You want it,

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but don't want it too much.

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You know, it's like,

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just give me a direction and I'll go

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that way.

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So long story short,

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we ended up doing a bunch of short

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films.

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okay because i was like well if we

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learn how to if i learn how to

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do everything i'll feel more comfortable

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and that's also a great thing for our

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reels and you know to get stuff together

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as an actor and then i slowly fell

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in love with directing because i naturally

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fall into the type of person that loves

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to tell other people what to do so

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the directing hat fit very well and

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through the course of making those short

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films uh jj and christian would come like

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be a part of it whether they were

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in the short films or they were a

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part of the set and then we started

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doing something called munau tv which was

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our

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very ramshackle competitor to YouTube at

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the time,

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which obviously didn't go anywhere.

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We had like no money to make it,

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but we were trying our best.

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And we did a bunch of web series

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for that network.

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And that's where, you know,

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Punky and Christian and Manny.

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Well,

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that's where first where Manny comes on

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the set, but we were all working together.

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Manny joined the crew as like an intern

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and then quickly became a partner in the

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production company that we started to film

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all these things in order to get

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insurance.

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And that's Big Squid.

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Yes.

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Big Squid.

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That's right.

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Big Squid.

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And yeah,

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after we got done with those web series

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and weren't getting any attention because

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this is like in the early days of

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YouTube.

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So even in that landscape,

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even when we were uploading stuff like

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there, you know,

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people were kind of trying to figure out

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what YouTube was and where to go with

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it.

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And I didn't know how to get attention

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on it.

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So.

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Put it this way.

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I remember explaining to everyone,

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my cousins, aunts and uncles, neighbors,

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friends, family,

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what a streaming platform was because this

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was twenty fifteen early on.

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And other than Netflix and I think that

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maybe HBO hadn't even started with their

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Netflix at the time.

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It was just Netflix.

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And Kyle had the idea and we created

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the platform, like you said,

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where it was going to be.

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a sort of mesh between a streaming

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platform and a competitor to youtube and

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having our own content and having

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subscription-based service and all that we

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just were severely underfunded and like at

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least five years too early yeah but the

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ambition was there and it did lay the

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groundwork it's amazing what ambition and

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a couple of dollars in your pocket will

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get you so what was the budget for

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this movie if i if y'all don't mind

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me asking

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Sixty thousand dollars for the production

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budget.

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Oh, wow.

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And yeah.

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And to be honest,

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we actually spent a good portion of that

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investing in the equipment as well.

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So it was, you know, a lean,

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mean indie set for sure.

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Now, this was filmed in L.A.

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or was it filmed in Georgia?

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Los Angeles.

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OK,

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so you're all across Los Angeles in L.A.

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No,

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that's really cool because I know Georgia

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has really picked up as far as like

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the the

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little hollywood of the the east there

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here recently because a lot of stuff is

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made there and produced there now so yeah

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there's a lot going on and really great

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tax incentives for sure it was very

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expensive to film in la but um you

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know we lived there at the time and

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we had a home base there so that's

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that's really cool though i'm sorry i'll

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go ahead

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No, I was just going to say,

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I don't even know if like at that

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point for tax incentives in Georgia,

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they hadn't started their stuff yet.

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So Los Angeles seemed like at that time

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the only game in town.

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But to be fair, those tax incentives,

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unless you know what you're doing with

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them,

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they're hard to get because the big

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studios snap them up and there's usually a

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cap.

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I think Georgia doesn't not,

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there's at least like two States that

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don't have caps,

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but Los Angeles definitely does.

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And, uh, you know,

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I'm pretty sure that's out the window with

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you.

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But our whole base as well,

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like everyone we knew that we'd be working

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with, you know, and half the other,

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I would say at least, would you agree?

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Like half the other cast mates were people

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that we knew had worked with before,

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maybe a little bit over half,

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as well as a lot of the crew,

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actually a lot,

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there was like five crew members, uh,

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You know,

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some of the crew members we'd already

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worked with before as well.

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So it was our home base in Los

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Angeles.

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And the story was written there.

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And it's kind of, you know,

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it did a little love letter to LA.

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Like, you know,

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all the assholes in Atlanta to turn into

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zombies.

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That sounds nice.

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But Los Angeles,

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I feel like that has another whole kind

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of connotation.

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Oh, without a doubt.

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Without a doubt.

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My one visit to LA.

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Yes,

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I would agree with that wholeheartedly.

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So, actually,

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let's talk about those assholes, Erin.

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Love to.

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Love to.

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This whole movie was kind of your fault.

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After all, you made the wish.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Quite unfortunate.

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So, like, for that particular, like, so,

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for me, like,

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that kind of happened in a blur almost

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like that part of the movie kind of

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didn't feel real where you got the stone

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and then y'all are hanging out at the

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apartment and you're upset and you're

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like,

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I just wish all the assholes would turn

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into zombies so we could kill them.

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And I'm like, that's kind of odd.

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And then, you know,

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the stone finally starts glowing and,

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It's like, oof,

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all of a sudden all the assholes in

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L.A.

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are zombies.

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And the world will never be the same.

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Yeah.

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So how did y'all come up with that?

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Because that's like a very different spin

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on the whole zombie trope.

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Yeah.

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So, like, that's a really cool concept,

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and I loved it.

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And it was probably one of my favorite,

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you know,

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ways I've seen a zombie apocalypse just

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kick off.

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An angry...

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female just wishing for all the assholes

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to become zombies so we can kill them

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all.

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So how was that born?

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Like, how was that?

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Yeah, well,

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we definitely wanted with this film,

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of course,

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there's been every amazing iteration of

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zombie film out there that you could

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possibly think of.

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And we wanted to do our own thing.

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We didn't want to repeat tropes and try

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and, you know,

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retread ground that's already been super

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well executed.

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So definitely want to do our own thing

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with the zombies.

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And also the kind of uniting factor.

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I mean, this was Kyle's idea, but

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who can't get behind all the assholes in

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the world getting turned into zombies i

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mean if someone's got to be turned into

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zombies like the assholes of the world

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like everyone knows way too many assholes

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in their lives or that they have to

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deal with and so we felt like it

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was a kind of uniting factor where no

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matter who you are when you're watching

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this movie you're chuckling thinking oh

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yeah i know a couple of ass without

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a doubt without a doubt

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It's like you've got the bullet already

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like with their name on it.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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just like the Rockets Rockets when they're

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going in a circle and it's like, Punky,

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you've got that bitch in my Pilates class.

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You got a whole Rolodex,

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a whole list ready to go.

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Oh, yeah.

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i love that i mean it it was

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just such a a unique spin on that

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whole trope of how people become zombies

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that you you couldn't help but to really

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like cheer for that because it was so

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different like that's what makes this

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movie so unique is it's a whole bunch

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of different tropes whether it's the cons

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the cosplay

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the way people turn into zombies,

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the way zombies get killed in this movie,

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it's all very unique and it's all very

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zombie con.

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And I love that from start to finish

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because everything was so unique about

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this movie.

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So... Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Absolutely.

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I mean,

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y'all earned all the kudos that y'all have

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been getting and will continue to get for

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this movie.

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So...

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How did the team kind of balance the

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authentic con life humor with like this

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full on zombie mayhem that y'all produced

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for it?

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Because it is very different and very

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unique way to do a zombie movie.

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I think it was just kind of.

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taking a lot,

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I know from my side of things,

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it was taking a lot of my personality

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and, uh,

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things that I would have always liked to

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have seen in any movie, uh,

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let alone a zombie movie,

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but obviously zombie movie is what I would

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have.

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That was my ideal version of kind of

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putting everything in there.

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Uh,

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but it was trying to figure out how

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I would have solved problems with my

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background and then bouncing off Aaron and

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Manny and, you know,

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tapping into their loves for similar

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things, whatever, you know,

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within the kind of pop culture space and

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like, okay, now, you know,

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limit your kind of worldview,

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like distill it almost into a specific

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version of that,

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where you're only applying the information

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that you've learned from this sphere.

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Cause of course we all have, you know,

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a myriad of things to go off of

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in any kind of situation or,

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you

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problem,

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but really trying to just pick out, okay,

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you might solve it in ten ways,

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but three of those ways are specific to

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information that you've gotten out of pop

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culture,

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whether it's a zombie movie you've watched

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or it's an anime or whatever,

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and they've dealt with a problem that's

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similar to this.

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what are those solutions and then trying

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to tie those solutions realistically both

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into the narrative of the story and into

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the characters personality types and kind

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of choosing you know which of those

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solutions fits which character best and

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then stringing them together uh in a way

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that would both make narrative sense and

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kind of cognitive sense because the

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idea is very outlandish so trying to

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harness as much reality as we could and

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pair those things together and i thought

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would kind of elevate the stakes both for

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the characters and the audience so it was

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just like a giant balancing act of all

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of those things

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it's anime inspired and so this is like

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the perfect example of an anime right you

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have characters that you get behind that

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are super grounded that you feel like you

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really get to know really well and in

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depth during the course of especially in

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the first season but there's crazy

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outlandish unexpected world building and

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changing type events that happen and you

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match the two up together and you get

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a super awesome story so that definitely

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was what we were going for here too

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Accomplished.

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A hundred percent accomplished.

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So we,

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I know like if you watch any type

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of news, like just the amount of, um,

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toxicness that's going on around us at

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every day,

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where y'all trying to also kind of send

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a little message in there about everything

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kind of like going on as far as

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like the online toxicness for different,

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you know, types of culture,

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whether it be anime or comic books or,

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um,

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zombie movies, even just like the,

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the toxicness that comes around with those

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types of cultures.

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Like,

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was there a deeper message in there that

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y'all were trying to send to people as

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well?

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Yeah.

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So this was, again,

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we shot this in two thousand sixteen.

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So I think the world's just become

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perpetually more toxic as we've kind of

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gone through.

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It's funny.

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It's like you shot it in twenty sixteen.

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Here we are in twenty twenty five and

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we're still dealing with that same type of

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stuff.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But yeah,

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it definitely derived from a lot of the

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stuff that I was seeing online,

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just in terms of

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The general the knee jerk reaction,

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it seemed from a large portion of people

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to go to negativity because they felt like

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it was almost like the only choice.

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Whereas in my like the kind of message

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I think we were trying to send was

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that is a choice.

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But it's just that it is a choice.

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And you also have the choice to go

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in the other direction.

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And that can change a lot and kind

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of prioritizing what's most important to

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you.

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So just because everyone in the world

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doesn't agree with, you know,

00:20:57.329 --> 00:20:59.550
your favorite anime or the way you see

00:20:59.590 --> 00:21:01.192
a protagonist or the way you see a

00:21:01.251 --> 00:21:01.832
character,

00:21:02.632 --> 00:21:04.252
that doesn't mean that it's negative.

00:21:04.472 --> 00:21:07.453
That doesn't mean that it's necessarily

00:21:07.574 --> 00:21:08.413
bad, right?

00:21:08.634 --> 00:21:12.016
You have your group of friends who get

00:21:12.056 --> 00:21:13.915
you, who you get down with,

00:21:14.596 --> 00:21:16.176
and that can be enough.

00:21:16.396 --> 00:21:19.097
You don't need everyone to see this world

00:21:19.137 --> 00:21:21.358
the same way you do and stick close

00:21:21.378 --> 00:21:22.779
to those people who are close to you.

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I like it.

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Because if they don't,

00:21:26.467 --> 00:21:27.647
Aaron's going to make a wish and all

00:21:27.667 --> 00:21:28.728
of a sudden you're going to be all

00:21:28.847 --> 00:21:29.928
assholes and zombies.

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And then you better have some friends and

00:21:32.269 --> 00:21:34.489
some katanas around you or you're just up

00:21:34.509 --> 00:21:35.069
shit's creek.

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I love that segue, actually,

00:21:37.710 --> 00:21:39.510
because we're rolling into it.

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So this is a very much with such

00:21:42.932 --> 00:21:45.132
a, like, I think my car,

00:21:45.652 --> 00:21:47.853
my Bronco may have been about as much

00:21:47.893 --> 00:21:49.053
as it costs to make your movie,

00:21:49.492 --> 00:21:50.232
which is sad.

00:21:50.814 --> 00:21:52.374
But I love my Bronco nonetheless.

00:21:53.648 --> 00:21:56.590
But the film is very much DIY in

00:21:56.631 --> 00:21:58.191
the best kind of way with the practical

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effects, great camera work,

00:22:00.712 --> 00:22:02.753
and just the huge imagination that y'all

00:22:02.814 --> 00:22:03.653
brought to this.

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What were some of your favorite creative

00:22:05.355 --> 00:22:07.896
tricks to make this feel like a big

00:22:07.997 --> 00:22:09.497
blockbuster apocalypse?

00:22:09.517 --> 00:22:10.758
Because there was a lot.

00:22:11.397 --> 00:22:17.181
The first zombie kill was amazing.

00:22:17.221 --> 00:22:18.142
Thank you very much.

00:22:19.113 --> 00:22:20.192
That first zombie kill,

00:22:20.212 --> 00:22:22.114
we definitely wanted to make it like an

00:22:22.294 --> 00:22:25.513
off to the races, bonkers, in your face,

00:22:25.594 --> 00:22:27.295
let you know that we're for real.

00:22:27.414 --> 00:22:29.194
We've, you know, kind of... Nailed it.

00:22:29.255 --> 00:22:29.394
Right.

00:22:29.414 --> 00:22:32.135
We've kind of like started to ease you

00:22:32.215 --> 00:22:34.676
into this nice slow and kind of rhythm

00:22:34.717 --> 00:22:36.396
of really getting to just be sitting with

00:22:36.416 --> 00:22:38.136
the characters and getting to know them

00:22:38.176 --> 00:22:39.678
and getting in their friend group and

00:22:39.698 --> 00:22:40.698
their lives and their...

00:22:41.137 --> 00:22:44.298
you know passions and then once the

00:22:44.338 --> 00:22:47.200
apocalypse hits we're going full throttle

00:22:47.339 --> 00:22:49.900
it's a zombie movie now you're along for

00:22:49.940 --> 00:22:51.980
the ride just with our four characters as

00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:53.601
they literally go through war and we're

00:22:53.621 --> 00:22:55.241
not gonna ease up on you at all

00:22:55.922 --> 00:22:57.582
and the kind of just setting the tone

00:22:57.622 --> 00:22:59.083
there with that first zombie kill was

00:22:59.163 --> 00:22:59.923
really important

00:23:02.019 --> 00:23:04.582
yeah and from a logistical standpoint of

00:23:04.662 --> 00:23:07.424
trying to you know get a big budget

00:23:07.904 --> 00:23:10.307
film with the limited resources we have

00:23:10.326 --> 00:23:14.810
had it was a lot of uh knowing

00:23:14.851 --> 00:23:18.134
what we could do knowing what we couldn't

00:23:18.193 --> 00:23:22.136
do and trying to push the boundary of

00:23:22.156 --> 00:23:24.298
what we could do to the absolute maximum

00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:27.541
while not ever stepping over that line

00:23:27.622 --> 00:23:28.823
into a place where

00:23:29.844 --> 00:23:31.746
it would have been, at best,

00:23:32.125 --> 00:23:34.548
extremely difficult to make it look good.

00:23:35.909 --> 00:23:38.130
And just using the information that we had

00:23:38.170 --> 00:23:40.192
learned from all of the short films that

00:23:40.211 --> 00:23:42.993
we had made and the web series that

00:23:43.013 --> 00:23:46.317
we had made on much smaller budgets than

00:23:46.356 --> 00:23:46.576
this,

00:23:48.288 --> 00:23:51.190
to kind of learn what it is that

00:23:51.349 --> 00:23:54.592
was possible and how to work and make

00:23:54.632 --> 00:23:55.873
it look the best way it could.

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Cause it was really a compounding of so

00:23:59.474 --> 00:24:01.536
many projects and so many tricks that we

00:24:01.576 --> 00:24:04.357
had learned and just trying to use every

00:24:04.377 --> 00:24:06.459
single one of our tools in our toolbox,

00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:08.961
you know, in one giant film.

00:24:11.249 --> 00:24:11.368
Yeah,

00:24:11.388 --> 00:24:13.470
we couldn't have a giant zombie horde and

00:24:13.490 --> 00:24:15.790
we couldn't have a huge convention where

00:24:15.931 --> 00:24:17.590
it was decided where it took place.

00:24:17.631 --> 00:24:19.432
But we could hint at those things.

00:24:19.471 --> 00:24:20.872
We could still include it tastefully.

00:24:20.932 --> 00:24:21.112
Yeah.

00:24:21.271 --> 00:24:21.792
Right.

00:24:21.813 --> 00:24:22.073
No,

00:24:22.093 --> 00:24:24.012
the way y'all done it was done really

00:24:24.073 --> 00:24:26.413
well because you get two back-to-back,

00:24:26.894 --> 00:24:30.555
very bloodthirsty types of kills in.

00:24:31.155 --> 00:24:33.036
And I believe I shared the photos of

00:24:33.056 --> 00:24:34.356
you just drenched in blood.

00:24:35.321 --> 00:24:36.383
the fake blood,

00:24:36.603 --> 00:24:38.464
but she still had like nice,

00:24:38.505 --> 00:24:39.465
pretty white teeth.

00:24:39.546 --> 00:24:40.946
So I thought that was hilarious.

00:24:40.967 --> 00:24:43.429
I'm like, but then when Manny does it,

00:24:43.449 --> 00:24:43.689
you know,

00:24:43.749 --> 00:24:44.990
it's all of a sudden it's like in

00:24:45.009 --> 00:24:47.051
his mouth and it's everywhere.

00:24:47.071 --> 00:24:50.474
I'm just like, I'm like, okay,

00:24:50.494 --> 00:24:51.175
she's got skills.

00:24:51.236 --> 00:24:51.435
Okay.

00:24:51.476 --> 00:24:51.957
I'll give her that.

00:24:55.345 --> 00:24:55.644
Yeah,

00:24:55.845 --> 00:24:57.625
I didn't even wear contacts during this

00:24:57.685 --> 00:24:59.445
film shoot because I knew we were going

00:24:59.465 --> 00:25:02.307
to just get so completely bloody and dirty

00:25:02.366 --> 00:25:03.207
and disgusting.

00:25:03.346 --> 00:25:05.387
So I'm happy that at least the teeth

00:25:05.788 --> 00:25:07.169
were looking white and clean.

00:25:07.249 --> 00:25:10.890
Everything else was just like everything.

00:25:10.930 --> 00:25:14.691
I was like everything is like you're like

00:25:14.730 --> 00:25:16.330
just head to toe fake blood.

00:25:16.391 --> 00:25:18.291
But you smiled and like you're like kind

00:25:18.332 --> 00:25:18.971
of freaking out.

00:25:18.991 --> 00:25:21.333
But my teeth straight up white.

00:25:24.170 --> 00:25:25.471
that part of it.

00:25:25.492 --> 00:25:27.236
There's still the Hollywood little bit in

00:25:27.256 --> 00:25:27.556
there.

00:25:27.717 --> 00:25:27.997
Right.

00:25:28.218 --> 00:25:29.078
It's an indie film,

00:25:29.098 --> 00:25:30.561
but you gotta still have a little bit

00:25:30.582 --> 00:25:31.383
of touch of Hollywood.

00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:35.480
Right, that's the animator stance, right?

00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:35.580
Yeah.

00:25:35.601 --> 00:25:35.740
Exactly,

00:25:35.760 --> 00:25:37.843
because there was just so much blood.

00:25:37.883 --> 00:25:38.182
I'm like,

00:25:38.202 --> 00:25:40.104
I don't think bodies have that much blood,

00:25:40.144 --> 00:25:40.684
but keep it going.

00:25:40.744 --> 00:25:41.325
Keep that shit pumping.

00:25:41.345 --> 00:25:41.525
Let's go.

00:25:41.545 --> 00:25:44.688
So that was a lot of blood.

00:25:44.708 --> 00:25:47.509
I didn't even know just how gory it

00:25:47.549 --> 00:25:48.069
would get,

00:25:48.349 --> 00:25:50.571
because when we filmed the zombie kills,

00:25:50.612 --> 00:25:51.352
for the most part,

00:25:51.412 --> 00:25:52.512
everything in this film was filmed

00:25:52.553 --> 00:25:53.413
chronologically.

00:25:53.753 --> 00:25:55.775
So that was actually our first time

00:25:55.815 --> 00:25:57.016
filming the zombie kill,

00:25:57.056 --> 00:25:59.357
was my kill scene with Devon.

00:26:00.077 --> 00:26:02.778
And when we sprayed me down,

00:26:02.818 --> 00:26:04.859
when our makeup artist sprayed me down

00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:05.440
with blood,

00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.320
I didn't know how hard Kyle had instructed

00:26:08.361 --> 00:26:09.740
him to go in the paint on the

00:26:09.780 --> 00:26:10.080
blood.

00:26:10.201 --> 00:26:11.382
I didn't know how long it was going

00:26:11.402 --> 00:26:11.882
to be going.

00:26:12.321 --> 00:26:14.282
I was totally acting as Claire in that

00:26:14.323 --> 00:26:14.682
moment.

00:26:15.002 --> 00:26:16.584
So it was quite a shock to me.

00:26:16.804 --> 00:26:17.763
What you saw on screen,

00:26:17.784 --> 00:26:19.324
that was the first and only take that

00:26:19.364 --> 00:26:21.045
we got when the second the blood hits

00:26:21.144 --> 00:26:21.664
clean.

00:26:22.045 --> 00:26:25.926
Yeah, that was that was real shock.

00:26:25.987 --> 00:26:26.826
It was a lot of blood.

00:26:27.106 --> 00:26:27.186
Yeah.

00:26:30.512 --> 00:26:32.096
When you watched it back that first time

00:26:32.115 --> 00:26:32.936
and you're like, holy shit,

00:26:32.957 --> 00:26:33.638
that's a lot of blood.

00:26:34.686 --> 00:26:35.807
When I watched it back the first time,

00:26:35.867 --> 00:26:36.328
I was like,

00:26:37.088 --> 00:26:38.651
now I have my Uma Thurman moment.

00:26:38.830 --> 00:26:40.432
I was like, this is my Kill Bill.

00:26:40.471 --> 00:26:40.551
Yes.

00:26:41.834 --> 00:26:43.494
This is what I need in life.

00:26:43.555 --> 00:26:44.695
And it was with a katana at that.

00:26:44.736 --> 00:26:47.959
With a katana, no less.

00:26:49.259 --> 00:26:51.162
Yeah, I was really pumped about it.

00:26:51.541 --> 00:26:52.682
I knew that we had, you know,

00:26:52.723 --> 00:26:53.984
we'd captured the magic.

00:26:54.365 --> 00:26:55.445
And that was one of the cool things

00:26:55.465 --> 00:26:56.666
that we did with ZombieCon.

00:26:56.707 --> 00:26:58.328
Not for all the scenes, of course, but...

00:26:58.769 --> 00:27:00.730
There were a couple of days where we,

00:27:01.390 --> 00:27:02.109
for a number of reasons,

00:27:02.150 --> 00:27:04.290
things weren't working out and we needed

00:27:04.330 --> 00:27:05.711
to just say, all right, Kyle was like,

00:27:05.852 --> 00:27:06.432
scrap it.

00:27:06.711 --> 00:27:07.571
We're ending early.

00:27:07.932 --> 00:27:09.113
We're ordering some pizza.

00:27:09.413 --> 00:27:10.374
We're pouring some drinks.

00:27:10.433 --> 00:27:11.814
Everyone get your wardrobe off.

00:27:11.854 --> 00:27:12.534
Like all the, you know,

00:27:12.554 --> 00:27:13.934
important things are downloading footage.

00:27:14.434 --> 00:27:15.715
get your asses downstairs.

00:27:15.816 --> 00:27:17.417
Let's go with our drinks and pizza.

00:27:17.438 --> 00:27:18.438
We're going to watch some of these

00:27:18.478 --> 00:27:19.038
dailies.

00:27:19.358 --> 00:27:21.201
And we got to crowd all around on

00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:22.342
like our bed, Kyle and I,

00:27:22.382 --> 00:27:23.923
and our little couch with our dogs,

00:27:24.083 --> 00:27:25.104
like tall,

00:27:25.183 --> 00:27:27.346
ten to fifteen of us crowd around the

00:27:27.385 --> 00:27:29.826
MacBook and watching images and the

00:27:29.867 --> 00:27:31.209
videos, what we just shot.

00:27:31.288 --> 00:27:32.750
And it just was amazing.

00:27:32.890 --> 00:27:35.412
And the kind of excitement you could feel

00:27:35.491 --> 00:27:36.913
it and the energy coming back like,

00:27:36.952 --> 00:27:38.153
all right, this is exhausting.

00:27:38.213 --> 00:27:39.035
Things are going wrong.

00:27:39.414 --> 00:27:40.455
But look at what we were able to

00:27:40.496 --> 00:27:41.477
capture already.

00:27:41.678 --> 00:27:43.539
Like it kind of would reinvigorate

00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:43.940
everyone.

00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:45.761
So we came back the next day fresher

00:27:45.781 --> 00:27:47.263
and just like ready to go.

00:27:48.464 --> 00:27:49.625
So Kyle, how much blood was it?

00:27:49.726 --> 00:27:51.087
How many gallons did you go through?

00:27:52.375 --> 00:27:52.915
I think so.

00:27:52.996 --> 00:27:53.596
I have to give,

00:27:53.635 --> 00:27:55.817
I have to shout out Joseph Drabresco,

00:27:55.837 --> 00:27:57.619
who was our makeup artist on this film,

00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:59.040
who's super talented.

00:27:59.060 --> 00:28:00.942
And he really brought the zombies to life.

00:28:00.982 --> 00:28:04.826
And he was the kind of blood guru,

00:28:04.885 --> 00:28:06.007
if you will.

00:28:06.047 --> 00:28:07.188
He told us how much to get.

00:28:07.429 --> 00:28:08.829
I kind of like cut out a check

00:28:08.869 --> 00:28:09.490
and was like, okay,

00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:11.291
here's your budget for special effects.

00:28:11.893 --> 00:28:13.314
You know, go,

00:28:13.354 --> 00:28:16.016
go forth in Los Angeles and procure

00:28:16.056 --> 00:28:16.416
whatever you need.

00:28:16.477 --> 00:28:17.397
He knew what to do.

00:28:18.536 --> 00:28:18.895
Yeah,

00:28:18.915 --> 00:28:21.017
I think he brought back a total of,

00:28:21.156 --> 00:28:23.438
I want to say, five gallons of blood,

00:28:23.978 --> 00:28:25.419
like in, you know, five gallon,

00:28:25.578 --> 00:28:26.759
each in a gallon jug.

00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:29.621
And I think we went through all but

00:28:30.587 --> 00:28:30.989
one,

00:28:31.028 --> 00:28:33.130
maybe we had half a gallon of blood

00:28:33.210 --> 00:28:35.211
left because I know we had at least

00:28:35.250 --> 00:28:36.291
half a jug left,

00:28:36.791 --> 00:28:39.413
which we used for insert shots over the

00:28:39.453 --> 00:28:40.413
next couple of years.

00:28:40.433 --> 00:28:42.214
And then we eventually did have to buy

00:28:42.255 --> 00:28:43.195
another gallon of blood.

00:28:43.256 --> 00:28:45.017
But I think about four and a half

00:28:45.057 --> 00:28:46.438
gallons of blood total,

00:28:46.978 --> 00:28:49.519
which I think it seems almost like it's

00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:51.480
more than that because of the method he

00:28:51.580 --> 00:28:54.481
used to deliver it, which was super low.

00:28:54.622 --> 00:28:55.143
Spray.

00:28:56.788 --> 00:28:57.028
Yeah.

00:28:57.609 --> 00:28:58.871
And the way he sprayed it,

00:28:59.050 --> 00:29:00.211
it was amazing to me.

00:29:00.913 --> 00:29:01.773
I thought we're going to because we

00:29:01.814 --> 00:29:02.934
couldn't afford squibs.

00:29:03.095 --> 00:29:05.557
We couldn't afford any kind of, you know,

00:29:05.656 --> 00:29:07.298
gas powered or, you know,

00:29:07.679 --> 00:29:09.500
pressure powered blood sprayer or

00:29:09.560 --> 00:29:09.961
whatever.

00:29:11.041 --> 00:29:12.784
So he went on to Amazon and he

00:29:13.124 --> 00:29:15.105
asked me to pick up like two of

00:29:15.165 --> 00:29:17.228
these plastic weed sprayers,

00:29:17.768 --> 00:29:19.130
the hand pump weed sprayers.

00:29:20.292 --> 00:29:21.875
And then he had a specific type of

00:29:21.934 --> 00:29:25.798
blood for the spray that it would flow

00:29:25.818 --> 00:29:27.181
through the tube easier.

00:29:27.760 --> 00:29:30.064
And so in all of the shots where

00:29:30.104 --> 00:29:32.467
everyone's getting hit with blood right

00:29:32.507 --> 00:29:34.628
below the camera or right to the right

00:29:34.669 --> 00:29:36.090
of the camera or to the left of

00:29:36.131 --> 00:29:36.691
the camera,

00:29:37.551 --> 00:29:39.574
is joe and he's sitting there

00:29:39.953 --> 00:29:43.836
simultaneously pumping and spraying this

00:29:43.877 --> 00:29:46.799
thing and some of the funniest moments

00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.761
it's on the dvd i in the behind

00:29:48.801 --> 00:29:51.483
the scenes uh video like extra features

00:29:51.763 --> 00:29:53.546
like someone got our behind the scenes we

00:29:53.566 --> 00:29:55.086
didn't have like a dedicated crew but we

00:29:55.126 --> 00:29:57.469
had people taking cell phone footage and i

00:29:57.489 --> 00:29:59.050
didn't even know this existed until like

00:29:59.090 --> 00:30:00.872
two years later and it was amazing to

00:30:00.932 --> 00:30:03.294
see it like joe is laying on the

00:30:03.314 --> 00:30:03.775
ground

00:30:04.723 --> 00:30:07.086
with pointing the blood up or pointing the

00:30:07.106 --> 00:30:10.010
sprayer up between my legs as Punky

00:30:10.570 --> 00:30:11.752
delivers a stab.

00:30:11.952 --> 00:30:15.557
He's just enthusiastically spraying it.

00:30:15.576 --> 00:30:18.101
With a maniac type grin on his face

00:30:18.141 --> 00:30:18.340
too.

00:30:18.401 --> 00:30:22.125
He had the best job.

00:30:24.060 --> 00:30:26.462
yeah he looked like everybody like legit

00:30:26.502 --> 00:30:29.184
just had so much fun making this movie

00:30:29.204 --> 00:30:31.006
but just being the guy who you don't

00:30:31.026 --> 00:30:32.406
really have a whole lot to worry about

00:30:32.727 --> 00:30:34.749
just make sure your your pump sprayer is

00:30:34.788 --> 00:30:36.570
sprayed and you got good pressure and

00:30:36.590 --> 00:30:39.153
you're just like i'm getting paid for this

00:30:40.996 --> 00:30:41.797
It was amazing.

00:30:41.856 --> 00:30:43.397
So the zombies, I mean,

00:30:43.979 --> 00:30:46.540
he obviously was in charge of the blood,

00:30:46.621 --> 00:30:48.281
but he was also in charge of all

00:30:48.321 --> 00:30:49.603
the zombie prosthetics.

00:30:49.663 --> 00:30:52.726
So those zombie kind of boils that evolved

00:30:52.746 --> 00:30:53.705
through the course of the film.

00:30:54.547 --> 00:30:56.489
We worked together on like kind of what

00:30:56.548 --> 00:30:58.150
the evolution of the zombie would be.

00:30:58.190 --> 00:31:00.271
And I had a specific idea, like,

00:31:00.652 --> 00:31:02.252
you know, the hates boiling up.

00:31:02.333 --> 00:31:04.214
So we start with like kind of boils.

00:31:04.255 --> 00:31:05.316
And then as they, you know,

00:31:05.855 --> 00:31:06.996
We get, you know,

00:31:07.016 --> 00:31:08.557
they more they get more evolved later in

00:31:08.596 --> 00:31:09.037
the film.

00:31:09.436 --> 00:31:11.178
They start like kind of popping and oozing

00:31:11.218 --> 00:31:11.938
and all this stuff.

00:31:12.718 --> 00:31:13.917
And I just kind of sent him a

00:31:13.958 --> 00:31:15.699
few sketches and I didn't know what he

00:31:15.719 --> 00:31:16.538
would do with those.

00:31:16.739 --> 00:31:18.140
And he showed up in L.A.

00:31:18.819 --> 00:31:20.500
with, you know,

00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:25.682
casts for latex molds that he personally

00:31:25.721 --> 00:31:28.123
designed and would like.

00:31:28.843 --> 00:31:31.305
basically individually poor latex molds so

00:31:31.384 --> 00:31:34.887
we had completely original latex molds for

00:31:34.928 --> 00:31:37.209
the zombie effects that you know you

00:31:37.229 --> 00:31:39.851
couldn't buy at a store a costume store

00:31:39.891 --> 00:31:41.613
or like a professional makeup store it was

00:31:41.792 --> 00:31:44.153
like literally zombie con specific stuff

00:31:44.674 --> 00:31:47.336
which i just thought like seeing so many

00:31:47.396 --> 00:31:48.938
behind the scenes features growing up i

00:31:48.958 --> 00:31:50.798
was like this is freaking awesome i liked

00:31:50.818 --> 00:31:51.400
it because it wasn't like

00:31:53.749 --> 00:31:56.796
The zombies weren't overdone too fast.

00:31:57.416 --> 00:31:57.576
Like,

00:31:57.616 --> 00:32:00.463
you didn't immediately get the rot and the

00:32:00.483 --> 00:32:01.967
brains.

00:32:02.186 --> 00:32:03.289
You didn't get none of that.

00:32:03.671 --> 00:32:04.372
It was just like...

00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.481
They were kind of normal,

00:32:07.842 --> 00:32:10.144
still kind of had some motor function.

00:32:10.964 --> 00:32:12.547
And then, you know,

00:32:12.567 --> 00:32:14.048
the boils and stuff like that.

00:32:14.488 --> 00:32:15.950
I thought that was brilliant.

00:32:16.109 --> 00:32:19.472
Like you showed up a real progression of

00:32:19.532 --> 00:32:24.017
the turn versus like straight into they're

00:32:24.037 --> 00:32:24.798
falling apart,

00:32:24.877 --> 00:32:26.579
the rotten and that kind of stuff like

00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.020
you would normally see in a zombie type

00:32:28.101 --> 00:32:28.461
of movie.

00:32:29.078 --> 00:32:30.401
Which was so crucial, too,

00:32:30.421 --> 00:32:32.442
because the Rockets Rockets were all so

00:32:32.482 --> 00:32:33.743
confused for many reasons.

00:32:33.824 --> 00:32:35.685
But thinking that Devin, my ex,

00:32:35.906 --> 00:32:38.009
was literally just a normal like normal

00:32:38.048 --> 00:32:38.328
self,

00:32:38.368 --> 00:32:40.351
not a zombie because he was so close

00:32:40.391 --> 00:32:40.811
on the edge.

00:32:40.852 --> 00:32:42.713
So really thinking that Claire was sitting

00:32:42.733 --> 00:32:44.256
there murdering someone and they were the

00:32:44.276 --> 00:32:44.836
accomplices.

00:32:44.855 --> 00:32:44.976
Mm hmm.

00:32:49.431 --> 00:32:49.931
Now, you're right.

00:32:50.111 --> 00:32:50.951
That was Yeah,

00:32:51.332 --> 00:32:53.732
that was in the knife in the head,

00:32:53.792 --> 00:32:54.032
though.

00:32:58.115 --> 00:32:59.156
I was like, Okay, that's it.

00:32:59.176 --> 00:33:00.136
You know, he should be good.

00:33:00.176 --> 00:33:01.557
But it was like the stab through the

00:33:01.597 --> 00:33:02.919
heart in this movie, right?

00:33:03.699 --> 00:33:04.619
That killed the zombie.

00:33:05.019 --> 00:33:05.540
That's right.

00:33:05.861 --> 00:33:06.280
Yeah.

00:33:06.520 --> 00:33:06.901
Again,

00:33:07.060 --> 00:33:09.762
just a unique zombie con spin on on

00:33:09.803 --> 00:33:11.124
the traditional zombie,

00:33:11.884 --> 00:33:13.125
which was really cool.

00:33:13.746 --> 00:33:15.406
But you really laid that knife in there,

00:33:15.426 --> 00:33:15.826
didn't you?

00:33:16.209 --> 00:33:16.509
You know,

00:33:16.588 --> 00:33:17.790
if you're going to go for it,

00:33:18.030 --> 00:33:19.712
it was like at that moment with Claire,

00:33:19.752 --> 00:33:20.733
it was do or die.

00:33:20.773 --> 00:33:23.056
I think Punky's exact line was do

00:33:23.176 --> 00:33:23.797
something.

00:33:24.758 --> 00:33:25.778
Claire grabs the knife.

00:33:26.059 --> 00:33:26.660
What are you doing?

00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:27.801
Put that shit down.

00:33:27.821 --> 00:33:30.223
It's like, all right,

00:33:30.924 --> 00:33:32.066
if you're going to go for it,

00:33:32.105 --> 00:33:33.448
you may as well go for it.

00:33:34.534 --> 00:33:37.517
You hit him like it was definitely some

00:33:37.636 --> 00:33:39.999
ex-boyfriend, you know, hate in there.

00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:41.181
There was some anger.

00:33:41.361 --> 00:33:41.921
Oh, yeah.

00:33:41.961 --> 00:33:44.544
More than just the zombie apocalypse era.

00:33:44.683 --> 00:33:46.665
You know, that comes from way down here.

00:33:47.970 --> 00:33:49.431
Claire carries a lot of anger.

00:33:49.451 --> 00:33:50.431
That was one of the things I loved

00:33:50.451 --> 00:33:51.172
about her character.

00:33:51.192 --> 00:33:52.573
She's on the surface, you know,

00:33:52.633 --> 00:33:54.594
the peacemaker, the happy one,

00:33:54.634 --> 00:33:57.596
the joyful kind of always smiling,

00:33:57.715 --> 00:33:59.457
but she's got a lot of sadness and

00:33:59.477 --> 00:34:00.257
a lot of,

00:34:00.998 --> 00:34:02.377
a lot of anger under there.

00:34:02.798 --> 00:34:03.318
A lot.

00:34:03.338 --> 00:34:09.943
Kyle, future reference, man.

00:34:10.242 --> 00:34:12.664
Oh yeah.

00:34:12.704 --> 00:34:12.884
Yeah.

00:34:13.065 --> 00:34:13.224
Yeah.

00:34:13.324 --> 00:34:13.644
Yeah.

00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.742
Oh man, I love everything about this.

00:34:20.463 --> 00:34:23.686
So the zombie eyes,

00:34:23.706 --> 00:34:25.027
let's talk about those.

00:34:25.728 --> 00:34:26.929
So I did watch a little,

00:34:27.329 --> 00:34:28.990
normally I don't try to watch clips and

00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:30.813
stuff from previous interviews because I

00:34:30.853 --> 00:34:32.675
want this to be really unique,

00:34:32.695 --> 00:34:35.617
but I thought it was really cool that

00:34:35.637 --> 00:34:37.119
just hearing you tell the story about the

00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.001
zombie eyes and how kind of they came

00:34:39.041 --> 00:34:39.541
to be.

00:34:40.061 --> 00:34:41.943
So lay that out for us because I

00:34:41.963 --> 00:34:42.864
thought that was really cool.

00:34:44.251 --> 00:34:46.853
so we had i first started i obviously

00:34:46.873 --> 00:34:48.893
wanted the zombies to have specific eyes

00:34:49.074 --> 00:34:51.175
and we started with the idea of uh

00:34:51.255 --> 00:34:54.456
doing contacts but they were wildly

00:34:54.496 --> 00:34:57.077
expensive you had to get an optometrist uh

00:34:57.177 --> 00:34:59.179
to measure everyone's eyes and there's a

00:34:59.219 --> 00:35:00.760
bunch of legal stuff that you have to

00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:03.041
do for the insurance and everything and it

00:35:03.061 --> 00:35:06.583
the you know contacts themselves they're

00:35:06.603 --> 00:35:07.083
not like

00:35:08.097 --> 00:35:10.157
know run-of-the-mill contacts they have to

00:35:10.197 --> 00:35:13.498
be like prescription level contacts and it

00:35:13.518 --> 00:35:15.460
cost a ton of money each so i

00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.340
was like all right guys we'll just do

00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.802
this in vfx in post which may or

00:35:19.822 --> 00:35:21.983
may not have been the cheaper option in

00:35:22.023 --> 00:35:26.184
the long run but uh it manny was

00:35:26.204 --> 00:35:29.164
the one who uh personally rotoscoped all

00:35:29.224 --> 00:35:29.905
of the eyes

00:35:30.485 --> 00:35:31.166
Uh,

00:35:31.186 --> 00:35:33.307
so once he had all the eyeballs tracked,

00:35:33.527 --> 00:35:35.750
which kept changing as the editor kept

00:35:35.789 --> 00:35:38.052
changing the actual edits of the movie,

00:35:38.231 --> 00:35:39.233
which I'm sure he loved.

00:35:39.853 --> 00:35:40.873
Uh,

00:35:40.914 --> 00:35:43.155
so he tracks all the eyeballs and then

00:35:43.195 --> 00:35:43.856
he gave me,

00:35:44.056 --> 00:35:45.737
so I would give him different colors of

00:35:45.777 --> 00:35:47.739
like, okay, I need this opacity,

00:35:48.380 --> 00:35:49.721
a little bit of green,

00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:50.461
little bit of red.

00:35:50.481 --> 00:35:51.802
And I was on the fence between,

00:35:51.822 --> 00:35:53.123
do I want them to be more red?

00:35:53.143 --> 00:35:54.605
Do I want them to be more green?

00:35:54.664 --> 00:35:56.387
Kind of like the evil emanating from

00:35:56.447 --> 00:35:57.847
inside or are they more like,

00:35:58.447 --> 00:35:59.969
animalistic, you know,

00:36:00.329 --> 00:36:02.351
kind of like a cat's eye reflecting the

00:36:02.411 --> 00:36:03.331
light in the environment.

00:36:03.731 --> 00:36:05.373
So try to hit a middle ground between

00:36:05.413 --> 00:36:05.934
the two.

00:36:06.434 --> 00:36:08.195
So it took about like five to six

00:36:08.255 --> 00:36:12.938
layers of those VFX basically slots where

00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.262
like we had all these different levels of

00:36:16.302 --> 00:36:17.362
opacity and color.

00:36:18.293 --> 00:36:19.836
And once I got those in through the

00:36:19.876 --> 00:36:20.597
color correct,

00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.985
I then used my own masks and basically

00:36:25.005 --> 00:36:28.432
shifted the opacity between the layers in

00:36:28.532 --> 00:36:29.635
order to achieve

00:36:30.666 --> 00:36:33.047
an effect that would both kind of interact

00:36:33.347 --> 00:36:35.528
with the lights that were on set and

00:36:35.548 --> 00:36:37.009
the environments while still leaving a

00:36:37.048 --> 00:36:39.731
little bit of the natural reflection from

00:36:39.751 --> 00:36:43.112
the actor's eyeballs and give them a

00:36:43.193 --> 00:36:45.114
differing amount of glow for like

00:36:45.153 --> 00:36:46.375
different intensity levels.

00:36:46.434 --> 00:36:48.376
So it was very much like a marriage

00:36:48.416 --> 00:36:50.056
of him and I working together for

00:36:50.117 --> 00:36:52.197
literally years and

00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.442
Again, using every tool in our toolbox,

00:36:55.541 --> 00:36:56.563
learning new ones,

00:36:57.244 --> 00:36:59.266
and just trying to hit that sweet spot.

00:36:59.806 --> 00:37:01.206
And it did take years to hit that

00:37:01.246 --> 00:37:01.688
sweet spot,

00:37:01.748 --> 00:37:03.550
but I think we finally hit it in

00:37:03.570 --> 00:37:03.969
the end.

00:37:04.190 --> 00:37:05.992
No, y'all absolutely did.

00:37:06.052 --> 00:37:08.233
I thought it was really cool because,

00:37:08.253 --> 00:37:08.393
again,

00:37:08.434 --> 00:37:10.896
it goes back to this is very much

00:37:10.976 --> 00:37:12.478
a zombie con-ism thing.

00:37:13.751 --> 00:37:15.373
I'm going to start calling them that now.

00:37:15.512 --> 00:37:15.992
I like that.

00:37:16.032 --> 00:37:16.994
I'm going to take that.

00:37:17.054 --> 00:37:17.914
Zombiconism.

00:37:18.394 --> 00:37:20.335
Because I've never seen zombies like that

00:37:20.376 --> 00:37:20.896
before.

00:37:21.476 --> 00:37:21.856
Again,

00:37:22.036 --> 00:37:24.597
these zombies do have some consciousness

00:37:24.637 --> 00:37:25.038
calls.

00:37:26.398 --> 00:37:28.380
I mean, what was his name?

00:37:30.481 --> 00:37:30.922
Xander.

00:37:31.322 --> 00:37:32.583
Xander, Carlo Mendez.

00:37:33.579 --> 00:37:35.000
handsome freaking dude.

00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:37.081
I don't know how you managed to find

00:37:37.161 --> 00:37:40.344
such a handsome dude and be like, hey,

00:37:40.364 --> 00:37:41.846
you're going to be a real asshole for

00:37:41.885 --> 00:37:43.387
this film.

00:37:43.407 --> 00:37:44.307
Was it an acting class?

00:37:44.327 --> 00:37:45.128
Another acting class.

00:37:45.148 --> 00:37:46.750
That's awesome.

00:37:47.862 --> 00:37:50.445
That was actually Ivana Chubik's acting

00:37:50.485 --> 00:37:52.668
class, which we use the book for all.

00:37:52.728 --> 00:37:54.228
I gave the book to all the actors

00:37:54.289 --> 00:37:55.690
because it was the method that I was

00:37:55.750 --> 00:37:56.490
most familiar with.

00:37:56.530 --> 00:37:57.931
I think it's a fantastic method.

00:37:58.052 --> 00:37:59.793
Ivana Chubik's power of the actor.

00:38:00.213 --> 00:38:01.695
If anyone's interested in getting into

00:38:01.795 --> 00:38:02.175
acting,

00:38:02.235 --> 00:38:04.378
I would highly recommend that be like the

00:38:04.418 --> 00:38:05.398
first place you go.

00:38:05.418 --> 00:38:06.460
Yeah.

00:38:07.454 --> 00:38:08.916
but we met at that class.

00:38:09.036 --> 00:38:11.157
So we had done a number of like

00:38:11.217 --> 00:38:12.597
scenes together in the class.

00:38:12.657 --> 00:38:14.079
And he actually was on one of our

00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.382
short films with Christian called stakeout

00:38:18.521 --> 00:38:20.643
like two years before we did zombie con

00:38:20.864 --> 00:38:22.385
and a series on TV.

00:38:22.885 --> 00:38:23.385
in Spanish.

00:38:23.405 --> 00:38:23.846
That's right.

00:38:24.146 --> 00:38:25.067
And right.

00:38:25.086 --> 00:38:25.708
Tremendous.

00:38:26.168 --> 00:38:27.949
And so we had worked together a ton.

00:38:28.010 --> 00:38:29.690
So when it came again to casting,

00:38:29.791 --> 00:38:32.273
we pulled from people we knew and he

00:38:32.313 --> 00:38:33.514
has this, you know,

00:38:33.554 --> 00:38:35.757
just super intimidating physique where

00:38:35.817 --> 00:38:36.237
it's like,

00:38:36.318 --> 00:38:38.139
I don't know how he and Christian always

00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:38.318
do it,

00:38:38.358 --> 00:38:40.121
but they're always like super jacked and

00:38:40.161 --> 00:38:40.460
ripped.

00:38:41.081 --> 00:38:41.661
Even Christian.

00:38:41.782 --> 00:38:41.922
Yeah.

00:38:41.943 --> 00:38:42.422
I'm like,

00:38:42.503 --> 00:38:46.947
I was like casually ripped all the time,

00:38:46.987 --> 00:38:48.429
but Christian is like this, like,

00:38:49.331 --> 00:38:50.052
Yes, he's real,

00:38:50.072 --> 00:38:52.172
but he's also he fits every bit of

00:38:52.213 --> 00:38:55.554
the nerdy cosplayer like appearance.

00:38:55.594 --> 00:38:56.215
You know what I'm saying?

00:38:56.235 --> 00:38:58.036
But they take his shirt off and there's

00:38:58.076 --> 00:38:59.476
a freaking six pack of abs there.

00:38:59.516 --> 00:39:00.878
And he's like completely jacked.

00:39:01.518 --> 00:39:03.858
And then Xander has this perfect.

00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:06.860
I'm sure he's one of the nicest,

00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:08.121
sweetest people you'll ever meet.

00:39:08.161 --> 00:39:11.922
But he for your lead here and he's

00:39:11.963 --> 00:39:13.443
like the hottest fucking zombie I've ever

00:39:13.463 --> 00:39:14.184
seen in my life, man.

00:39:16.579 --> 00:39:18.519
No weirdness there, but... No,

00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:19.681
we've gotten... It's great.

00:39:19.780 --> 00:39:21.782
We keep getting that feedback as well,

00:39:21.822 --> 00:39:22.983
and we always have to throw it back

00:39:23.003 --> 00:39:24.523
to him that we didn't know that he

00:39:24.543 --> 00:39:26.545
was going to be shirtless until he was

00:39:26.585 --> 00:39:27.885
just shirtless all of a sudden.

00:39:28.065 --> 00:39:28.666
Shirtless and ripped.

00:39:28.726 --> 00:39:29.646
It's like, perfect.

00:39:29.666 --> 00:39:31.608
Shirtless, ripped,

00:39:31.688 --> 00:39:34.610
and a zombie with cool glowing eyes.

00:39:35.791 --> 00:39:37.172
We were in the middle of shooting that

00:39:37.211 --> 00:39:38.132
final scene with him.

00:39:38.152 --> 00:39:39.353
There's a girl out there who will say

00:39:39.733 --> 00:39:40.434
she can fix him.

00:39:45.134 --> 00:39:45.273
Well,

00:39:45.313 --> 00:39:46.795
his three girls definitely thought they

00:39:46.815 --> 00:39:49.096
could.

00:39:49.115 --> 00:39:54.518
True.

00:39:54.557 --> 00:39:54.637
Yes.

00:39:54.677 --> 00:39:56.097
We were in the middle of shooting that

00:39:56.137 --> 00:39:57.179
final sequence.

00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:58.960
And like Aaron was saying, yeah, we,

00:39:59.179 --> 00:40:00.019
you know, I had his,

00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.101
I had the cosplays for them all picked

00:40:02.161 --> 00:40:03.081
out in the costuming.

00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.661
And in the middle of one of these

00:40:05.702 --> 00:40:06.503
scenes, he just,

00:40:06.523 --> 00:40:08.402
I think it was like the second take.

00:40:08.802 --> 00:40:10.664
He just ripped that, you know,

00:40:11.344 --> 00:40:12.204
the gi off.

00:40:12.864 --> 00:40:15.525
and just it flies it like vanishes into

00:40:15.545 --> 00:40:17.927
the background floats to the floor and his

00:40:17.967 --> 00:40:21.429
like veins are bulging and i'm like oh

00:40:21.449 --> 00:40:22.869
this is awesome this is this is the

00:40:22.929 --> 00:40:24.431
arnold schwarzenegger moment okay perfect

00:40:25.610 --> 00:40:34.436
money shot oh dude that was yeah so

00:40:34.476 --> 00:40:36.856
nicole mccauley is that how you say her

00:40:36.876 --> 00:40:40.338
name is mama bear yes and

00:40:40.989 --> 00:40:42.371
When I seen her the first time in

00:40:42.391 --> 00:40:43.570
the movie, I was like,

00:40:44.851 --> 00:40:46.371
I know her from somewhere.

00:40:47.193 --> 00:40:49.934
So naturally, IMDB, I'm like,

00:40:50.233 --> 00:40:51.333
there it is right there.

00:40:51.775 --> 00:40:52.614
She's terrific.

00:40:53.155 --> 00:40:55.135
She was amazing for the mama bear role

00:40:55.195 --> 00:40:55.795
in this.

00:40:56.797 --> 00:40:58.056
How did y'all manage to get her to

00:40:58.097 --> 00:40:59.418
come in on the film as well?

00:41:00.378 --> 00:41:01.760
So Nicole is funny because she's one of

00:41:01.780 --> 00:41:02.579
the very few, right,

00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.081
that we weren't super close with,

00:41:04.101 --> 00:41:05.101
we didn't know before.

00:41:05.422 --> 00:41:07.143
Christian, who plays Javier,

00:41:07.603 --> 00:41:09.625
actually knew her from a different,

00:41:09.784 --> 00:41:10.105
I guess,

00:41:10.204 --> 00:41:11.445
job that they had worked together,

00:41:11.465 --> 00:41:12.246
some acting gig.

00:41:12.547 --> 00:41:13.047
And he was like,

00:41:13.067 --> 00:41:14.927
I know an actress who would be perfect

00:41:14.967 --> 00:41:15.588
for this role.

00:41:16.009 --> 00:41:17.650
And so we brought her in for kind

00:41:17.670 --> 00:41:18.891
of like a table read and get to

00:41:18.931 --> 00:41:19.231
know her,

00:41:19.291 --> 00:41:21.371
very informal at Kyle and my apartment.

00:41:21.913 --> 00:41:24.213
And that turned into tequila drinks.

00:41:24.373 --> 00:41:26.655
And like five hours of conversation later,

00:41:26.675 --> 00:41:27.096
we're like,

00:41:27.255 --> 00:41:31.739
mama bear we love you you're perfect and

00:41:31.778 --> 00:41:33.619
it was like she's perfect she's one of

00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:35.661
the big squids she fits in perfectly with

00:41:35.701 --> 00:41:38.041
the pack and we're still really close she

00:41:38.081 --> 00:41:39.862
lives in atlanta now just like we do

00:41:39.943 --> 00:41:41.824
she moved from la as well so we're

00:41:41.864 --> 00:41:43.005
still i mean we're close with all the

00:41:43.025 --> 00:41:45.206
big squids but we're physically close to

00:41:45.266 --> 00:41:47.148
her as well oh that's really cool but

00:41:47.788 --> 00:41:50.969
yeah she knows she fit it's amazing what

00:41:50.989 --> 00:41:53.010
tequila can talk you into i know it's

00:41:53.210 --> 00:41:53.590
wonderful

00:41:55.972 --> 00:41:57.313
If you're not punching a wall,

00:41:57.614 --> 00:41:58.853
you're making good things happen.

00:41:58.873 --> 00:42:00.215
Good things happen.

00:42:00.235 --> 00:42:01.034
Or losing clothes.

00:42:01.695 --> 00:42:02.456
Sometimes both.

00:42:02.496 --> 00:42:04.177
Losing clothes and punching walls.

00:42:04.197 --> 00:42:06.659
It's very much a Harvey Dent situation

00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:07.219
with tequila.

00:42:07.298 --> 00:42:08.719
It's kind of like flipping your coin.

00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:10.081
Exactly.

00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:15.864
You either get really suave like Carlos or

00:42:15.903 --> 00:42:18.846
Carlo or you get the other side of

00:42:18.885 --> 00:42:20.827
Harvey Dent and you're like punching walls

00:42:20.927 --> 00:42:22.807
and losing clothes.

00:42:24.382 --> 00:42:24.943
Well, thankfully,

00:42:24.983 --> 00:42:30.306
he stayed suave and he lost clothes.

00:42:30.326 --> 00:42:30.646
That he did.

00:42:30.686 --> 00:42:34.487
Good old Harlow.

00:42:35.449 --> 00:42:35.608
So,

00:42:36.588 --> 00:42:38.010
we've talked about pretty much everybody.

00:42:39.110 --> 00:42:39.951
So, for Punky,

00:42:40.731 --> 00:42:42.552
you let Punky keep her own name,

00:42:42.853 --> 00:42:44.413
which I thought was really cool.

00:42:45.454 --> 00:42:48.195
So, you're like, no, your name's Punky.

00:42:48.215 --> 00:42:49.115
No, you're keeping Punky.

00:42:49.275 --> 00:42:51.336
That's it.

00:42:51.376 --> 00:42:52.117
So, we...

00:42:53.601 --> 00:42:55.563
so the whole thing with that, it was,

00:42:55.702 --> 00:42:57.204
so we had been friends obviously for a

00:42:57.244 --> 00:42:58.003
very long time.

00:42:59.605 --> 00:43:01.885
And like to, to me, yeah.

00:43:02.505 --> 00:43:04.387
And to me and Aaron, like she's JJ,

00:43:05.067 --> 00:43:05.708
uh,

00:43:05.728 --> 00:43:07.548
but she was going through the comedian,

00:43:07.628 --> 00:43:09.309
like she was working at the comedy store

00:43:09.409 --> 00:43:12.130
and she had been going by a different

00:43:12.190 --> 00:43:12.911
name there.

00:43:12.971 --> 00:43:14.132
I think it was ham hock.

00:43:14.871 --> 00:43:15.431
And then,

00:43:16.293 --> 00:43:18.153
then she was like kind of transitioning

00:43:18.213 --> 00:43:19.293
into the name punky,

00:43:19.353 --> 00:43:21.974
which obviously would become her name, uh,

00:43:22.114 --> 00:43:23.076
as the world knows her now.

00:43:24.329 --> 00:43:26.248
But when I first heard the name Punky,

00:43:26.648 --> 00:43:28.250
I couldn't get away from it in my

00:43:28.309 --> 00:43:28.469
head.

00:43:28.510 --> 00:43:29.530
I was like, oh my God,

00:43:29.750 --> 00:43:31.110
that name is so perfect.

00:43:31.489 --> 00:43:31.851
Perfect.

00:43:32.130 --> 00:43:34.471
It wasn't like a hundred percent official

00:43:34.530 --> 00:43:35.271
for her yet.

00:43:35.351 --> 00:43:36.110
So I was like,

00:43:36.291 --> 00:43:37.492
I'm going to use it for the character.

00:43:37.731 --> 00:43:38.871
And then she ended up like,

00:43:38.952 --> 00:43:40.092
that's obviously her name.

00:43:40.132 --> 00:43:41.431
So now in retrospect,

00:43:41.492 --> 00:43:45.693
it's a little bit like strange.

00:43:45.733 --> 00:43:48.673
But at the time, right.

00:43:48.693 --> 00:43:50.693
The name is just such a badass,

00:43:50.773 --> 00:43:51.894
like unique fucking name.

00:43:51.934 --> 00:43:52.454
She was a...

00:43:53.894 --> 00:43:58.197
badass to begin with oh yeah she's somehow

00:43:58.318 --> 00:44:01.119
even cooler and funnier in real life which

00:44:01.219 --> 00:44:02.840
i don't even know how it's possible but

00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.182
she is yeah she's almost like she would

00:44:06.222 --> 00:44:09.405
be like her character in real life and

00:44:09.425 --> 00:44:10.945
now you're telling me she's even more cool

00:44:11.025 --> 00:44:14.507
and badass which might be what she's punky

00:44:14.547 --> 00:44:16.909
in the movie but if she's that on

00:44:16.949 --> 00:44:18.730
another level if she is shit up to

00:44:18.769 --> 00:44:19.871
ten you know

00:44:20.371 --> 00:44:22.112
One of my favorite things about her is

00:44:22.132 --> 00:44:24.251
that she could be meeting anyone.

00:44:24.311 --> 00:44:25.913
And throughout like the decade plus,

00:44:25.992 --> 00:44:26.713
you know, I don't know,

00:44:26.733 --> 00:44:27.893
fifteen years that we've known her.

00:44:27.932 --> 00:44:29.813
We've obviously introduced her to all of

00:44:29.853 --> 00:44:31.034
our family members and this,

00:44:31.054 --> 00:44:31.634
that and the other.

00:44:32.034 --> 00:44:33.275
Every single person,

00:44:33.335 --> 00:44:34.375
regardless who they are,

00:44:34.494 --> 00:44:35.914
what they're like, what age they are,

00:44:35.954 --> 00:44:36.596
where they're from.

00:44:37.096 --> 00:44:39.195
Every single person is obsessed with Punky

00:44:39.255 --> 00:44:39.697
after meeting her.

00:44:39.717 --> 00:44:40.536
And they're like, all right,

00:44:40.556 --> 00:44:41.297
she's like the best,

00:44:41.436 --> 00:44:42.916
most funny person in the world.

00:44:43.036 --> 00:44:45.077
I want to be best friends with her.

00:44:45.557 --> 00:44:48.119
She just feels so good, too.

00:44:49.126 --> 00:44:51.009
Yeah, she's got that it factor.

00:44:51.028 --> 00:44:52.690
You know, people always talk about, oh,

00:44:52.730 --> 00:44:54.391
like this politician is like, you know,

00:44:54.471 --> 00:44:55.771
makes no matter who you are,

00:44:55.791 --> 00:44:56.972
you could be on the opposite side,

00:44:56.992 --> 00:44:58.233
but you shake their hand and they make

00:44:58.253 --> 00:44:58.394
you.

00:44:59.556 --> 00:45:00.996
She's got the it factor,

00:45:01.056 --> 00:45:06.141
whatever that undescribable magic is.

00:45:06.201 --> 00:45:08.943
Like you could arrive someplace new and

00:45:08.963 --> 00:45:10.545
you're like, this is going to suck.

00:45:10.565 --> 00:45:11.664
And then you meet your boss and you're

00:45:11.684 --> 00:45:15.909
like, let's go.

00:45:15.929 --> 00:45:16.630
Where do you want to go, man?

00:45:17.864 --> 00:45:18.664
We're going over there.

00:45:19.085 --> 00:45:19.224
Right.

00:45:19.244 --> 00:45:20.085
Killing those people.

00:45:20.385 --> 00:45:20.606
I'm in.

00:45:20.666 --> 00:45:21.226
I don't care.

00:45:22.708 --> 00:45:23.628
I don't care what they did.

00:45:23.688 --> 00:45:25.030
You just told me we're going to do

00:45:25.090 --> 00:45:25.170
it.

00:45:25.210 --> 00:45:25.911
We're going to do it.

00:45:25.971 --> 00:45:26.452
Let's do it.

00:45:27.155 --> 00:45:28.677
And it's funny because you just reminded

00:45:28.697 --> 00:45:29.757
me of some of the behind the scenes

00:45:29.797 --> 00:45:31.557
footage because we filmed some documentary

00:45:31.597 --> 00:45:32.697
type stuff a long time ago.

00:45:32.717 --> 00:45:34.378
But I just remember in one of the

00:45:34.398 --> 00:45:34.798
videos,

00:45:35.458 --> 00:45:38.280
Punky was talking about Kyle's telling her

00:45:38.340 --> 00:45:39.699
about how we're going to make this film

00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:40.800
and asking if she wanted to be a

00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:42.360
part of it and yada, yada, yada.

00:45:42.721 --> 00:45:43.422
And she was like,

00:45:43.822 --> 00:45:45.101
I didn't know how he was going to

00:45:45.121 --> 00:45:47.362
make this feature film with this grand

00:45:47.402 --> 00:45:49.443
plan and all these zombies and all these

00:45:49.463 --> 00:45:50.083
locations.

00:45:50.583 --> 00:45:53.146
But he's like, don't worry about it, JJ.

00:45:53.226 --> 00:45:54.146
We're going to do it.

00:45:54.226 --> 00:45:55.067
I'm going to figure it out.

00:45:55.106 --> 00:45:56.228
I was like, oh, I'm not worried.

00:45:56.268 --> 00:45:58.289
Like, I know you'll figure it out.

00:45:58.309 --> 00:46:00.731
When Kyle's like when Kyle sets a goal

00:46:00.831 --> 00:46:01.711
and is determined,

00:46:01.831 --> 00:46:02.972
there's no stopping him.

00:46:03.032 --> 00:46:03.952
You don't know how it's going to get

00:46:03.972 --> 00:46:04.172
done.

00:46:04.574 --> 00:46:05.735
I don't even know if he quite knows

00:46:05.775 --> 00:46:06.655
how it's going to get done,

00:46:06.755 --> 00:46:08.396
but somehow it will get done.

00:46:08.777 --> 00:46:09.757
And yeah,

00:46:10.057 --> 00:46:12.619
the relationships like with Punky and with

00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.061
the Rockets Rockets and having people that

00:46:15.081 --> 00:46:16.922
we trusted along the way coming in with

00:46:16.942 --> 00:46:17.862
that kind of like,

00:46:18.182 --> 00:46:19.909
already knowledge and we'd work together

00:46:19.929 --> 00:46:20.431
like that,

00:46:20.572 --> 00:46:22.679
it made all that that much easier and

00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:23.541
better for sure.

00:46:24.454 --> 00:46:24.653
Yeah.

00:46:24.673 --> 00:46:25.494
And that shorthand,

00:46:25.514 --> 00:46:26.934
throwing it back to what you were asking

00:46:26.974 --> 00:46:27.695
earlier, just like,

00:46:27.775 --> 00:46:30.056
how are we able to get a higher

00:46:30.097 --> 00:46:32.016
budget look for such a small budget?

00:46:32.918 --> 00:46:37.000
That familiarity and shorthand and having

00:46:37.059 --> 00:46:38.199
worked with people before,

00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:41.242
it allowed us to get into locations that

00:46:41.262 --> 00:46:43.822
would have been far too expensive to sit

00:46:43.862 --> 00:46:45.963
for a whole day or two days.

00:46:46.023 --> 00:46:46.884
And we're like, okay, well,

00:46:46.923 --> 00:46:48.364
we can afford it for four hours.

00:46:49.105 --> 00:46:50.666
And because we had all worked together and

00:46:50.706 --> 00:46:51.726
we had this shorthand,

00:46:51.826 --> 00:46:54.246
we had this trust and we had worked

00:46:54.266 --> 00:46:55.606
the script ahead of time.

00:46:56.967 --> 00:46:58.648
It allowed us to do those things and

00:46:58.688 --> 00:47:00.289
to get shots that we wouldn't have been

00:47:00.329 --> 00:47:02.248
able to do if we had not had

00:47:02.289 --> 00:47:04.369
that shorthand and that familiarity.

00:47:04.590 --> 00:47:06.090
For sure.

00:47:06.130 --> 00:47:06.269
Now,

00:47:06.289 --> 00:47:09.251
was that the one scene where you come

00:47:09.291 --> 00:47:12.251
across the three zombies?

00:47:12.271 --> 00:47:14.632
Was that just a parking garage scene?

00:47:16.067 --> 00:47:17.387
Cause it looked like a parking garage with

00:47:17.407 --> 00:47:18.128
the cars and stuff.

00:47:18.329 --> 00:47:20.010
No, that was actually a warehouse.

00:47:20.030 --> 00:47:22.072
You mean under the warehouse?

00:47:22.092 --> 00:47:23.273
Yeah.

00:47:23.293 --> 00:47:25.456
That was a warehouse in downtown LA.

00:47:25.536 --> 00:47:26.617
And funny enough, it was like,

00:47:26.637 --> 00:47:28.219
it had to be a garage or like

00:47:28.340 --> 00:47:29.900
a warehouse.

00:47:29.981 --> 00:47:32.463
And it's that exact like location is where

00:47:32.503 --> 00:47:34.585
we actually rented the alleyway from them.

00:47:34.686 --> 00:47:36.347
That's where we shot the rooftop scene.

00:47:36.487 --> 00:47:38.108
That's where we shot the tunnels.

00:47:38.208 --> 00:47:39.170
And that's where we shot.

00:47:39.389 --> 00:47:40.871
There's some footage of us like playing

00:47:40.891 --> 00:47:42.452
around on arcades in the very,

00:47:42.472 --> 00:47:43.273
very beginning of the movie.

00:47:43.572 --> 00:47:44.813
They had a little arcade room in there,

00:47:44.833 --> 00:47:45.074
too.

00:47:45.135 --> 00:47:47.496
So this like giant warehouse that all

00:47:47.516 --> 00:47:49.898
these little areas we made really great

00:47:49.998 --> 00:47:51.378
use of for multiple scenes.

00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.260
That's that's really cool that one place

00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:56.063
just provided all of that.

00:47:56.123 --> 00:47:57.063
And it's not a studio.

00:47:57.123 --> 00:47:58.724
It's just a building.

00:47:59.304 --> 00:48:01.967
It's an expensive place to rent where they

00:48:01.987 --> 00:48:03.407
make sure that, yeah,

00:48:03.447 --> 00:48:05.748
they're squeezing you for what they can

00:48:05.768 --> 00:48:06.748
because it's L.A.

00:48:06.929 --> 00:48:09.110
And you got to be out by the

00:48:09.230 --> 00:48:09.630
minute.

00:48:09.690 --> 00:48:11.190
You got to if there's any extra

00:48:11.210 --> 00:48:12.632
accoutrements that you want to rent,

00:48:12.972 --> 00:48:14.112
that'll cost you.

00:48:14.213 --> 00:48:17.213
But it was a fantastic location and we

00:48:17.253 --> 00:48:18.394
made really good use of it.

00:48:18.414 --> 00:48:18.454
No,

00:48:19.275 --> 00:48:21.757
that was really cool that it was just

00:48:21.777 --> 00:48:22.077
a one building.

00:48:22.097 --> 00:48:22.197
Hey,

00:48:22.217 --> 00:48:23.858
we also got this one thing over here.

00:48:24.498 --> 00:48:26.880
But it's going to be another ten grand.

00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:27.760
Like, dude, it's ten by ten.

00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.121
They're like, okay, eighty-five hundred.

00:48:31.141 --> 00:48:32.643
They're like, we got this crew.

00:48:32.682 --> 00:48:33.664
They already know they're spending a

00:48:33.684 --> 00:48:34.423
couple days here.

00:48:34.463 --> 00:48:35.784
We can show them another room.

00:48:35.804 --> 00:48:37.246
Let's show them another room.

00:48:37.266 --> 00:48:37.967
Exactly.

00:48:37.987 --> 00:48:39.547
It's a gift that just kept on giving.

00:48:39.847 --> 00:48:40.307
Oh, by the way,

00:48:40.827 --> 00:48:42.369
if you slide that wall right there,

00:48:42.389 --> 00:48:43.690
there's a whole house back there you can

00:48:43.869 --> 00:48:44.170
use.

00:48:44.391 --> 00:48:45.391
Yeah.

00:48:45.411 --> 00:48:46.052
You want to move in?

00:48:48.836 --> 00:48:50.797
Oh, I like it so much.

00:48:50.838 --> 00:48:54.137
This was such a fun movie.

00:48:54.759 --> 00:48:56.679
And later on,

00:48:56.798 --> 00:48:58.418
hopefully when people watch this and they

00:48:58.438 --> 00:49:00.219
see how much fun that we're having talking

00:49:00.300 --> 00:49:00.739
about it,

00:49:01.059 --> 00:49:03.021
that they go and watch this movie because

00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:05.840
it was such a fun movie.

00:49:09.061 --> 00:49:13.503
So what is next for ZombieCon?

00:49:13.902 --> 00:49:15.643
And when can I expect to see Volume

00:49:15.684 --> 00:49:15.824
Two?

00:49:17.242 --> 00:49:18.983
so we weren't sure if we were going

00:49:19.003 --> 00:49:20.664
to be able to get a volume two

00:49:20.704 --> 00:49:22.746
but kyle was like i already have this

00:49:22.786 --> 00:49:24.847
whole saga in my head this is years

00:49:24.867 --> 00:49:26.867
in the making so he actually took time

00:49:27.248 --> 00:49:29.190
like six months ago a year or so

00:49:29.210 --> 00:49:32.251
ago and wrote volumes two through five i

00:49:32.351 --> 00:49:33.833
edited them so we've got those scripts

00:49:33.873 --> 00:49:35.594
ready to go and then he's got the

00:49:35.634 --> 00:49:37.074
rest of the story beat it out through

00:49:37.094 --> 00:49:39.876
volume ten so like we're anime level like

00:49:39.916 --> 00:49:41.358
franchise level ready to go

00:49:41.918 --> 00:49:42.960
And we weren't sure if we would get

00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:44.963
to do a volume two in all honesty,

00:49:45.043 --> 00:49:46.766
but with the release and how well this

00:49:46.786 --> 00:49:47.327
is going,

00:49:47.867 --> 00:49:49.931
we're pretty confident that by next year

00:49:49.971 --> 00:49:51.532
we'll be able to be in pre-production on

00:49:51.592 --> 00:49:51.733
it.

00:49:52.574 --> 00:49:53.757
So hopefully very soon.

00:49:55.219 --> 00:49:56.300
That is freaking awesome.

00:49:56.925 --> 00:49:59.067
Because volume one is not enough.

00:49:59.407 --> 00:50:00.447
We need a volume two.

00:50:00.768 --> 00:50:01.789
And if we get a volume all the

00:50:01.809 --> 00:50:02.789
way up to volume ten,

00:50:02.829 --> 00:50:03.670
by then I'll be there.

00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:06.192
I'll be there for the whole thing.

00:50:06.231 --> 00:50:07.472
So I do got a question.

00:50:07.572 --> 00:50:09.333
So when I was looking at the movie

00:50:09.353 --> 00:50:10.373
on IMDb,

00:50:10.853 --> 00:50:12.434
so we have a twenty twenty four release

00:50:12.474 --> 00:50:14.817
date and a twenty eighteen release date.

00:50:14.856 --> 00:50:16.237
What was that twenty eighteen release

00:50:16.277 --> 00:50:16.518
date?

00:50:17.625 --> 00:50:19.606
So that twenty eighteen release date was

00:50:19.646 --> 00:50:22.568
basically us on the first rough cut of

00:50:22.608 --> 00:50:23.128
the film.

00:50:23.250 --> 00:50:24.771
We wanted to get a test audience,

00:50:24.990 --> 00:50:25.791
couldn't afford it.

00:50:26.291 --> 00:50:28.253
So we submitted it to some film festivals

00:50:28.293 --> 00:50:29.894
just thinking we'll get some feedback.

00:50:30.755 --> 00:50:33.518
And it ended up getting nominated and then

00:50:33.557 --> 00:50:34.659
won an award.

00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:37.001
And as soon as it won an award.

00:50:38.356 --> 00:50:39.336
IMDB said, okay,

00:50:39.356 --> 00:50:40.958
you're not in post-production anymore.

00:50:41.038 --> 00:50:41.737
You're released.

00:50:42.097 --> 00:50:44.099
And I traded like six hundred emails with

00:50:44.139 --> 00:50:46.360
them being like, we're not released.

00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.300
I'm literally I sent them screenshots of

00:50:48.340 --> 00:50:48.981
my computer.

00:50:49.001 --> 00:50:50.302
I'm like, I'm still working on this.

00:50:50.322 --> 00:50:51.601
Like we're missing VFX.

00:50:51.621 --> 00:50:52.681
We're missing audio.

00:50:52.742 --> 00:50:53.702
Like we're missing this.

00:50:54.262 --> 00:50:55.943
And I ended up re-editing the whole film

00:50:55.963 --> 00:50:56.583
during COVID.

00:50:56.603 --> 00:50:59.605
But like this saga went on for years

00:50:59.664 --> 00:51:02.306
and years and years until finally it

00:51:02.485 --> 00:51:04.588
We got a sales agent and he's like,

00:51:04.648 --> 00:51:04.788
look,

00:51:05.047 --> 00:51:06.389
the two thousand eighteen things not going

00:51:06.409 --> 00:51:06.869
to fly.

00:51:06.909 --> 00:51:08.389
You know, the posters got to change.

00:51:08.510 --> 00:51:09.231
Names got to change.

00:51:09.251 --> 00:51:10.811
You got to figure out a way to,

00:51:11.452 --> 00:51:11.672
you know,

00:51:11.733 --> 00:51:13.574
refresh this so people know it's a new

00:51:13.614 --> 00:51:15.876
movie because that two thousand eighteen

00:51:15.896 --> 00:51:16.096
movie,

00:51:16.115 --> 00:51:17.217
that was a rough cut of the film.

00:51:17.237 --> 00:51:17.617
That's not.

00:51:17.757 --> 00:51:18.536
Yeah.

00:51:18.757 --> 00:51:19.518
And it does say honestly,

00:51:19.557 --> 00:51:20.719
it just says zombie kind.

00:51:20.759 --> 00:51:22.539
It doesn't have the volume or anything

00:51:22.579 --> 00:51:23.001
like that.

00:51:23.121 --> 00:51:23.340
Right.

00:51:24.668 --> 00:51:26.228
And changing it to volume one,

00:51:26.369 --> 00:51:27.650
that was how we were able to get

00:51:27.690 --> 00:51:30.391
a new IMDb page to reflect the new

00:51:30.431 --> 00:51:31.952
film that it had become.

00:51:32.253 --> 00:51:33.012
Yeah.

00:51:33.052 --> 00:51:34.414
Something so small.

00:51:35.215 --> 00:51:37.155
Yeah.

00:51:37.295 --> 00:51:39.637
And we premiered it at Kevin Smith's Mod

00:51:39.657 --> 00:51:42.199
Castle Film Festival as well.

00:51:42.259 --> 00:51:43.480
So it had like a new launch and

00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:43.760
everything.

00:51:43.780 --> 00:51:45.900
He seems like he is like the nicest

00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:46.782
person in the world.

00:51:48.262 --> 00:51:50.628
He had COVID when we were there,

00:51:50.648 --> 00:51:51.048
unfortunately.

00:51:51.068 --> 00:51:51.148
Yeah.

00:51:51.168 --> 00:51:51.248
Yeah.

00:51:51.268 --> 00:51:52.090
So we didn't get a chance.

00:51:52.190 --> 00:51:52.893
I agree with you.

00:51:52.913 --> 00:51:54.295
He seems like I would love to meet

00:51:54.315 --> 00:51:54.916
him someday.

00:51:54.996 --> 00:51:56.119
And I know he's got the theater,

00:51:56.179 --> 00:51:57.362
I think in LA as well.

00:51:57.442 --> 00:51:58.284
No, it's in New Jersey.

00:51:58.324 --> 00:51:58.724
I think.

00:51:59.059 --> 00:52:00.838
That's where the film festival was held.

00:52:01.018 --> 00:52:02.039
Small Castle Cinemas.

00:52:02.300 --> 00:52:03.940
You've got to go if you ever like.

00:52:03.980 --> 00:52:05.420
Well, it's just up the road to go.

00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:07.800
It's literally just a few hours up the

00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:08.121
road.

00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:08.521
Oh,

00:52:08.561 --> 00:52:10.561
you got to go and visit Jay and

00:52:10.581 --> 00:52:12.661
Silent Bob's comic stash.

00:52:12.681 --> 00:52:13.802
Is that what they actually named it?

00:52:14.481 --> 00:52:14.702
Yeah.

00:52:14.822 --> 00:52:15.443
Yeah.

00:52:15.463 --> 00:52:17.342
It's a really cool store and the whole

00:52:17.382 --> 00:52:18.663
town around it is great.

00:52:18.742 --> 00:52:19.623
It's a really fun.

00:52:19.643 --> 00:52:21.043
And they've got a ton of props.

00:52:21.724 --> 00:52:23.865
in the shop that aaron's talking about uh

00:52:23.905 --> 00:52:25.586
they've got a ton of props from all

00:52:25.626 --> 00:52:28.528
of his movies like it is like some

00:52:28.909 --> 00:52:30.670
and some unique collectibles like i

00:52:30.730 --> 00:52:33.512
actually got it's off camera right now but

00:52:33.552 --> 00:52:35.373
i got a stack of dvds because you

00:52:35.393 --> 00:52:38.255
can get signed dvds by kevin smith at

00:52:38.295 --> 00:52:39.456
that store for like

00:52:46.605 --> 00:52:47.306
Yeah, he's great.

00:52:47.485 --> 00:52:48.206
He's a million bucks.

00:52:48.226 --> 00:52:49.545
I don't care what anybody has to say

00:52:49.565 --> 00:52:49.925
about him.

00:52:50.266 --> 00:52:52.606
To me, he's a million bucks.

00:52:52.626 --> 00:52:55.527
Some of my favorite YouTube clips are the

00:52:56.128 --> 00:52:57.967
clips where he's talking at Comic-Cons

00:52:58.007 --> 00:53:00.228
about all of his insider information,

00:53:00.248 --> 00:53:03.929
like working on Batman and all this stuff.

00:53:04.010 --> 00:53:05.409
He's got scripts written for movies.

00:53:05.771 --> 00:53:06.710
I love...

00:53:08.443 --> 00:53:08.983
I don't know if it was,

00:53:09.264 --> 00:53:10.465
I know it's a YouTube video because I

00:53:10.505 --> 00:53:11.304
watched it on YouTube,

00:53:11.324 --> 00:53:12.666
but I can't remember if it was from

00:53:12.686 --> 00:53:15.045
like an MTV Cribs or something like that.

00:53:15.766 --> 00:53:18.887
And he literally has this wall of scripts

00:53:18.927 --> 00:53:21.909
that are just waiting for like, hey, yeah,

00:53:21.969 --> 00:53:23.429
we want your Batman script because I know

00:53:23.449 --> 00:53:25.170
he's got like a full up like Batman

00:53:25.210 --> 00:53:27.351
script just ready to go.

00:53:28.842 --> 00:53:30.063
Yep.

00:53:30.164 --> 00:53:30.244
Yeah.

00:53:30.324 --> 00:53:31.445
And I, I remember the,

00:53:31.505 --> 00:53:33.706
I think it was a Superman script that

00:53:33.746 --> 00:53:34.465
he was working on,

00:53:34.686 --> 00:53:35.786
not the Batman script that,

00:53:35.847 --> 00:53:37.068
and he was like going through this whole

00:53:37.088 --> 00:53:37.307
thing.

00:53:37.347 --> 00:53:38.188
And the guy's like,

00:53:38.909 --> 00:53:40.690
I love his story about the producer where

00:53:40.710 --> 00:53:41.951
he's like, the producer was like,

00:53:42.431 --> 00:53:44.853
I want like a giant spider, you know,

00:53:44.913 --> 00:53:46.594
and Superman can't fly.

00:53:46.614 --> 00:53:48.894
And he's like saying all this stuff.

00:53:48.934 --> 00:53:52.056
And Kevin Smith's like, uh, what?

00:53:52.097 --> 00:53:55.278
But, um, so yeah,

00:53:57.844 --> 00:54:01.445
I am primarily a comic book podcast.

00:54:03.286 --> 00:54:05.367
What are some of y'all's favorite comic

00:54:05.407 --> 00:54:05.588
books?

00:54:05.608 --> 00:54:06.628
Are y'all comic book people?

00:54:06.668 --> 00:54:07.849
I know you mentioned it earlier,

00:54:07.929 --> 00:54:09.610
how your dad got you into Marvel and

00:54:09.769 --> 00:54:10.849
DC and stuff,

00:54:10.909 --> 00:54:13.891
but do y'all still regularly like, Hey,

00:54:13.911 --> 00:54:15.251
let's swing through the comic book shop.

00:54:16.485 --> 00:54:19.829
So I've transitioned more from comics

00:54:20.009 --> 00:54:22.911
mainly to manga just because manga was

00:54:22.931 --> 00:54:24.474
something I always wanted to read when I

00:54:24.494 --> 00:54:26.516
was growing up and it wasn't accessible.

00:54:27.277 --> 00:54:28.719
But when I was growing up,

00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.221
like I would generally go through – so

00:54:31.260 --> 00:54:33.623
my dad had all like the giant volume

00:54:33.684 --> 00:54:36.266
sets where you get like – Yeah, yeah.

00:54:36.286 --> 00:54:37.047
The omnibuses and stuff like that.

00:54:37.068 --> 00:54:37.148
Yeah.

00:54:37.168 --> 00:54:37.367
Yeah.

00:54:38.108 --> 00:54:38.869
Yeah, exactly.

00:54:39.190 --> 00:54:40.911
So I would basically pillage his

00:54:40.952 --> 00:54:41.893
collection and like,

00:54:41.913 --> 00:54:43.614
just go through an entire one in the

00:54:43.693 --> 00:54:45.175
evening and I've, you know,

00:54:45.215 --> 00:54:46.757
all the regular vanilla stuff,

00:54:46.797 --> 00:54:49.059
but I'd say the comic that I would

00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.141
go in specifically to the store and be

00:54:51.161 --> 00:54:51.300
like,

00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:52.862
that's where I'd spend my allowance or

00:54:52.922 --> 00:54:55.085
whatever I'd earn that week would always

00:54:55.125 --> 00:54:56.826
be spawned when I was growing up.

00:54:56.865 --> 00:54:59.548
At least that was like, yeah,

00:54:59.568 --> 00:55:02.371
I still collect artwork to this day.

00:55:03.655 --> 00:55:05.518
I just re-watched the movie.

00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.362
The movie is still so amazing.

00:55:08.442 --> 00:55:10.204
I can't wait to finally get the new

00:55:10.244 --> 00:55:11.644
Spawn movie.

00:55:11.865 --> 00:55:13.047
Is there a new one coming out?

00:55:13.226 --> 00:55:13.507
Yes.

00:55:16.458 --> 00:55:17.018
That's awesome.

00:55:17.059 --> 00:55:18.721
I think it's going to be a twenty

00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:19.981
four and Blumhouse.

00:55:20.521 --> 00:55:21.063
That's cool.

00:55:21.242 --> 00:55:22.523
Oh yeah.

00:55:22.543 --> 00:55:22.945
That's good.

00:55:22.965 --> 00:55:25.266
It's going to be pure horror combination.

00:55:25.746 --> 00:55:26.166
Yeah.

00:55:26.206 --> 00:55:26.807
Got it.

00:55:26.827 --> 00:55:28.429
With a twenty four is quality.

00:55:28.989 --> 00:55:32.152
I mean, and with the advancements, I mean,

00:55:32.193 --> 00:55:33.474
that's the one drawback, right?

00:55:33.514 --> 00:55:34.554
Of that original film.

00:55:35.155 --> 00:55:37.277
Oh, I mean, it's not, you know,

00:55:37.317 --> 00:55:38.117
fantastic there,

00:55:38.177 --> 00:55:40.539
but it's like in the early stages of

00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:41.521
CGI.

00:55:41.561 --> 00:55:42.061
So.

00:55:43.121 --> 00:55:43.302
Right.

00:55:43.461 --> 00:55:44.182
I mean, they didn't.

00:55:45.541 --> 00:55:45.780
Oh, well,

00:55:45.820 --> 00:55:48.481
I'll read basically whatever manga Kyle...

00:55:48.541 --> 00:55:50.101
Let's just preface this, because... Well,

00:55:50.121 --> 00:55:51.182
what's your favorite manga right now?

00:55:51.382 --> 00:55:53.103
You've already heard about his dad being

00:55:53.143 --> 00:55:53.742
the collector,

00:55:53.782 --> 00:55:55.244
his brother's collector house.

00:55:55.304 --> 00:55:55.983
Kyle's a collector.

00:55:56.083 --> 00:55:58.005
I've married into a family of collectors,

00:55:58.045 --> 00:55:59.824
and I myself never really got, like,

00:56:00.025 --> 00:56:01.126
super bitten by the bug.

00:56:01.445 --> 00:56:03.445
So I'll read whatever is around.

00:56:03.626 --> 00:56:05.786
And that's, like, my, like, fiending.

00:56:05.887 --> 00:56:06.407
And, of course,

00:56:06.427 --> 00:56:08.007
he's going to pull out his berserk.

00:56:08.047 --> 00:56:08.407
Berserker?

00:56:08.427 --> 00:56:08.507
Yeah.

00:56:08.768 --> 00:56:09.068
Mm-hmm.

00:56:09.668 --> 00:56:11.489
I thought that was on the shelf.

00:56:11.530 --> 00:56:12.070
When I seen it,

00:56:12.110 --> 00:56:13.610
I could just barely see it in the

00:56:13.630 --> 00:56:14.251
camera.

00:56:14.331 --> 00:56:15.552
I'm like, that looks like berserk.

00:56:16.233 --> 00:56:18.355
You did just awaken a memory in me

00:56:18.394 --> 00:56:18.635
though.

00:56:18.675 --> 00:56:19.976
Like when I was younger,

00:56:20.376 --> 00:56:21.717
I used to be a fiend for the

00:56:21.797 --> 00:56:22.677
Archie comics.

00:56:22.717 --> 00:56:24.940
Like every single time we would go into

00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:25.800
a grocery store,

00:56:26.081 --> 00:56:27.882
I would leave with another Archie comic.

00:56:27.902 --> 00:56:30.244
Archie horror is probably some of my most

00:56:30.384 --> 00:56:32.246
favorite horror comics alive.

00:56:32.266 --> 00:56:33.065
Oh my God.

00:56:33.085 --> 00:56:34.887
Archie's horror is amazing.

00:56:35.621 --> 00:56:36.943
I have not revisited Archie in a long

00:56:36.983 --> 00:56:37.164
time.

00:56:37.204 --> 00:56:38.005
I didn't know that existed.

00:56:38.025 --> 00:56:38.786
They still make it.

00:56:38.865 --> 00:56:39.768
I'm glad that I do.

00:56:40.068 --> 00:56:40.449
Wow.

00:56:42.391 --> 00:56:44.514
I got down a really terrible path as

00:56:44.554 --> 00:56:46.438
well with romance anime for like a year

00:56:46.458 --> 00:56:48.021
there where I like binge watched every

00:56:48.061 --> 00:56:49.041
last romance anime.

00:56:49.101 --> 00:56:50.364
That's my daughter.

00:56:51.224 --> 00:56:51.686
Perfect.

00:56:51.826 --> 00:56:52.686
I went down that.

00:56:52.987 --> 00:56:54.768
It is a dark path because once you

00:56:54.788 --> 00:56:55.889
go down, you don't stop.

00:56:56.048 --> 00:56:57.130
You're like, I need more.

00:56:57.210 --> 00:56:58.110
I need answers.

00:56:58.190 --> 00:56:59.271
I need more series.

00:56:59.630 --> 00:57:01.753
It happened with the online novels as

00:57:01.793 --> 00:57:02.132
well.

00:57:02.813 --> 00:57:04.835
They didn't even have the ad-based

00:57:05.695 --> 00:57:06.135
platforms.

00:57:06.175 --> 00:57:07.277
It was where you had to play little

00:57:07.317 --> 00:57:08.998
games to then be able to watch and

00:57:09.077 --> 00:57:09.699
unlock another.

00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:11.699
I was spending way too much time doing

00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:11.860
that.

00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:12.360
I'm like, all right,

00:57:12.701 --> 00:57:14.501
I need to just rip the cord,

00:57:14.561 --> 00:57:15.503
get out of this.

00:57:16.344 --> 00:57:17.664
I have my own run that's gone in

00:57:17.704 --> 00:57:17.945
real life.

00:57:17.965 --> 00:57:18.766
It is a dark, deep hole.

00:57:19.545 --> 00:57:21.126
That you can get yourself into.

00:57:21.887 --> 00:57:24.387
So my daughter's room is right here.

00:57:24.588 --> 00:57:26.208
Like, so she's a college sophomore,

00:57:26.847 --> 00:57:29.349
pre-med student, love her to death.

00:57:29.389 --> 00:57:30.769
So I didn't know what manga was.

00:57:30.809 --> 00:57:32.210
I knew what comic books were.

00:57:32.929 --> 00:57:33.610
She's like, dad,

00:57:33.650 --> 00:57:35.311
it's basically a comic book only from

00:57:35.371 --> 00:57:35.751
Japan.

00:57:35.771 --> 00:57:36.911
I'm like, okay.

00:57:37.771 --> 00:57:38.911
And you want me to take you to

00:57:38.931 --> 00:57:40.313
the bookstore to get this?

00:57:40.413 --> 00:57:41.632
She's like, yes, if you don't mind.

00:57:42.373 --> 00:57:43.193
Like, okay, I got you.

00:57:44.052 --> 00:57:44.373
I'm like,

00:57:44.393 --> 00:57:45.514
she's asking me to take her to a

00:57:45.554 --> 00:57:47.094
bookstore so she can buy a book to

00:57:47.114 --> 00:57:47.233
read.

00:57:47.273 --> 00:57:47.914
That's in my head.

00:57:47.974 --> 00:57:48.755
All I cared about.

00:57:48.775 --> 00:57:50.856
I'm like, yeah.

00:57:50.896 --> 00:57:53.297
So that now grew into she has another

00:57:53.336 --> 00:57:54.177
room in our house.

00:57:54.938 --> 00:57:56.038
And it's like her bookcase,

00:57:56.057 --> 00:57:57.358
her collectibles, you know.

00:57:58.592 --> 00:58:01.894
But it's literally bookcases of manga of

00:58:01.934 --> 00:58:04.496
all different flavors and varieties.

00:58:04.556 --> 00:58:05.838
My Hero Academia.

00:58:06.057 --> 00:58:07.117
Oh, yeah.

00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:08.219
Banana Fish.

00:58:08.619 --> 00:58:09.400
You name it.

00:58:09.579 --> 00:58:10.240
She has it.

00:58:10.260 --> 00:58:12.061
She come home today and she's like, hey,

00:58:12.081 --> 00:58:13.402
look, Dad, they had this book.

00:58:13.443 --> 00:58:14.503
I'm like, you have that book?

00:58:14.523 --> 00:58:14.903
She's like, yeah,

00:58:14.923 --> 00:58:16.565
but this is the anniversary edition.

00:58:16.585 --> 00:58:17.206
Look at the pages.

00:58:17.246 --> 00:58:18.226
They're plaid.

00:58:18.246 --> 00:58:22.510
I'm like, okay, cool.

00:58:22.530 --> 00:58:23.070
That's awesome.

00:58:23.090 --> 00:58:23.570
You're an adult.

00:58:23.590 --> 00:58:24.492
You spend your own money.

00:58:24.512 --> 00:58:24.592
Cool.

00:58:24.692 --> 00:58:25.992
She's like, oh, actually,

00:58:26.052 --> 00:58:26.652
I used your card.

00:58:26.672 --> 00:58:27.293
Of course.

00:58:29.376 --> 00:58:29.856
I'm like,

00:58:29.916 --> 00:58:31.599
remind me to take you off that card.

00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:32.378
And then she's like.

00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.422
Her and her friend were going as Shelton

00:58:35.481 --> 00:58:38.804
and Sheldon and Amy from Big Bang.

00:58:39.204 --> 00:58:41.586
Big Bang tonight to her sorority party.

00:58:42.086 --> 00:58:42.527
Nice.

00:58:42.887 --> 00:58:44.268
So she's like, OK, we're out.

00:58:44.329 --> 00:58:45.369
I'm like, hey, you coming back?

00:58:45.730 --> 00:58:46.110
No.

00:58:46.610 --> 00:58:46.990
Yeah.

00:58:47.070 --> 00:58:49.012
I'm like Saturday or something.

00:58:49.072 --> 00:58:49.733
OK, cool.

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Hey, bye.

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It's good to see you for dinner in

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five minutes.

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We will be in that phase, I'm sure,

00:58:55.516 --> 00:58:57.097
in like twenty something years because

00:58:57.117 --> 00:58:59.199
we're right now with a seven month old

00:58:59.260 --> 00:59:01.141
and it's her first Halloween and she's

00:59:01.161 --> 00:59:03.963
going to be Cinderella and Kyle is going

00:59:03.983 --> 00:59:05.423
to be Prince Charming and I'm going to

00:59:05.443 --> 00:59:06.465
be the fairy godmother.

00:59:06.485 --> 00:59:07.425
I can see it.

00:59:07.465 --> 00:59:09.567
You pull Prince Charming off.

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Thank you.

00:59:11.228 --> 00:59:12.088
It's the beard, dude.

00:59:12.307 --> 00:59:13.208
Dudes with beards, man.

00:59:13.528 --> 00:59:14.449
We pull off anything.

00:59:15.090 --> 00:59:15.630
That's true.

00:59:16.070 --> 00:59:17.172
They're quite versatile.

00:59:17.831 --> 00:59:18.331
In the mullet.

00:59:18.452 --> 00:59:20.092
Only I tried to.

00:59:20.233 --> 00:59:21.173
So when I retired,

00:59:21.233 --> 00:59:22.275
I tried to grow my hair out.

00:59:24.047 --> 00:59:25.708
lasted about a month and i was like

00:59:26.268 --> 00:59:27.849
i'm going to the barber shop i need

00:59:27.909 --> 00:59:31.909
a fade i'm retired military so it was

00:59:31.929 --> 00:59:33.989
like and i tried so hard the beard

00:59:34.030 --> 00:59:36.311
was easy my grandpa had a beard i

00:59:36.331 --> 00:59:37.710
wanted to honor my grandpa and have a

00:59:37.771 --> 00:59:40.311
beard i'm like i'm going into the ground

00:59:40.692 --> 00:59:42.152
with my beard and i told my wife

00:59:42.172 --> 00:59:44.932
that i'm like bury me with my beard

00:59:45.492 --> 00:59:47.833
and in my uniform please and thank you

00:59:49.094 --> 00:59:50.474
and she's like yeah yeah whatever dude

00:59:50.994 --> 00:59:51.934
she's like as long as you keep it

00:59:51.954 --> 00:59:52.695
trimmed i don't care

00:59:54.820 --> 00:59:56.583
Thank you for your service, too.

00:59:57.342 --> 00:59:57.603
Really.

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Thank you very much.

00:59:58.563 --> 00:59:59.184
Thank you.

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I don't talk about it a whole lot,

01:00:01.286 --> 01:00:04.349
but it was the funnest twenty years of

01:00:04.369 --> 01:00:04.750
my life.

01:00:05.371 --> 01:00:05.590
Wow.

01:00:05.610 --> 01:00:09.675
And that went by really fast as well.

01:00:09.735 --> 01:00:10.394
It's crazy.

01:00:11.856 --> 01:00:14.518
Let's start wrapping this up and tell

01:00:14.759 --> 01:00:17.661
everybody where they can find ZombieCon

01:00:18.402 --> 01:00:20.204
Volume One and where they can follow

01:00:20.284 --> 01:00:20.625
y'all.

01:00:21.014 --> 01:00:21.414
All right.

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I got this one because I run most

01:00:23.215 --> 01:00:24.117
of our social media.

01:00:24.177 --> 01:00:25.918
Kyle is learning the ropes of TikTok,

01:00:25.938 --> 01:00:27.018
which has been hilarious.

01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:29.119
Hey, when you figure that one out,

01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.061
let me know because I still haven't

01:00:30.081 --> 01:00:30.760
figured out that one.

01:00:31.942 --> 01:00:33.762
So everywhere on social media,

01:00:33.923 --> 01:00:35.885
we're at ZombieConMovie.

01:00:36.284 --> 01:00:39.047
And then our website is ZombieConVolOne.

01:00:39.067 --> 01:00:40.427
That's the number one dot com.

01:00:41.007 --> 01:00:42.769
And if you want to follow us,

01:00:42.809 --> 01:00:44.791
your updates, anything, shenanigans,

01:00:44.911 --> 01:00:46.452
follow us on social media,

01:00:46.492 --> 01:00:47.773
reach out to us because we run the

01:00:47.813 --> 01:00:48.215
accounts.

01:00:48.775 --> 01:00:50.717
And if you're looking to watch ZombieCon

01:00:50.737 --> 01:00:50.956
Vol.

01:00:51.117 --> 01:00:51.257
One,

01:00:51.358 --> 01:00:52.778
it's out everywhere that you can buy and

01:00:52.818 --> 01:00:54.721
rent movies on VOD in North America.

01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:57.302
So Apple TV, Amazon Prime, YouTube movies,

01:00:57.362 --> 01:00:58.744
Plex, all of them.

01:00:59.344 --> 01:01:00.726
And if you want the DVD,

01:01:00.786 --> 01:01:02.288
it's now on Amazon Prime as well.

01:01:02.867 --> 01:01:04.869
highly recommend even if you're not a huge

01:01:04.909 --> 01:01:08.010
like physical media collector if you are

01:01:08.070 --> 01:01:09.652
in any way interested in this film or

01:01:09.711 --> 01:01:12.273
filmmaking definitely check out the film

01:01:12.293 --> 01:01:14.315
because we included deleted scenes behind

01:01:14.355 --> 01:01:16.456
the scenes a lot of really cool material

01:01:16.476 --> 01:01:19.237
there so check it out now zombie con

01:01:19.277 --> 01:01:19.717
ball one

01:01:22.402 --> 01:01:23.523
I love it, guys.

01:01:23.563 --> 01:01:25.023
You are rock stars.

01:01:25.644 --> 01:01:28.666
Y'all have made one of my favorite movies

01:01:28.867 --> 01:01:29.447
of the year.

01:01:29.467 --> 01:01:31.748
Thank you.

01:01:31.829 --> 01:01:32.528
It really was.

01:01:32.670 --> 01:01:34.831
It was just such this beautiful love

01:01:34.871 --> 01:01:38.974
letter to all these different fandoms,

01:01:39.233 --> 01:01:41.016
whether it's cosplay and...

01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:45.039
know conventions and i'm going to my first

01:01:45.139 --> 01:01:47.740
convention as a podcast here soon so

01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:50.862
congratulations it is going to be really

01:01:50.882 --> 01:01:52.603
fun we're taking the whole network out and

01:01:52.623 --> 01:01:53.983
we're going so it's going to be a

01:01:54.043 --> 01:01:55.664
lot of fun have all the boys there

01:01:56.304 --> 01:01:58.005
and get to see everybody i don't get

01:01:58.025 --> 01:02:00.266
to see everybody all the time so it's

01:02:00.286 --> 01:02:01.547
very rare even though some of them just

01:02:01.586 --> 01:02:02.867
live down the road from me we still

01:02:02.927 --> 01:02:04.867
only get to see each other like once

01:02:04.907 --> 01:02:08.469
a year but thank you all so much

01:02:08.489 --> 01:02:09.090
for coming on

01:02:10.130 --> 01:02:12.391
and um y'all were a blast to have

01:02:12.472 --> 01:02:15.753
on so until next time yes keep your

01:02:15.793 --> 01:02:20.474
badges close your props loaded preferably

01:02:20.494 --> 01:02:23.856
your cantanas and remember at the end of

01:02:23.876 --> 01:02:27.398
the con we all kind of look like

01:02:27.438 --> 01:02:32.458
zombies with that erin kyle welcome to the

01:02:32.498 --> 01:02:36.481
council of nerds zombie con erin

01:02:36.842 --> 01:02:38.324
Kyle and the entire crew,

01:02:38.385 --> 01:02:41.387
you are all USDN approved.

01:02:41.728 --> 01:02:42.648
Yay.

01:02:42.708 --> 01:02:44.030
Thank you, Chairman, for having us on.

01:02:44.070 --> 01:02:45.092
Thank you all.

01:02:45.132 --> 01:02:47.815
Thank you so much.

01:02:47.855 --> 01:02:49.456
Hang out here and we'll catch you on

01:02:49.476 --> 01:02:50.838
the flip side of this outro.