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Welcome to Digication
Scholars Conversations.

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I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll.

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In this episode, you'll hear Part
Two of my conversation with Matthew

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Gomes, an EVP Systems Analyst at
Bunker Hill Community College.

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I love that you got the whole
kind of campus involved in

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doing the audience choice, too.

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Because even just having that
opportunity for other people on

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campus to open those portfolios and
see what other students have done.

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I think would be inspiring for those that
may not have created their own ePortfolio

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yet, or maybe working on one, but might
need to see what other people are doing.

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And also for the faculty members
too, to see how students are using

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this technology, whether it's
something that they're already

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using within their classes or not.

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Um, and to use it as an opportunity
to really celebrate those students

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and the work that they put into
their ePortfolios, I think it's a

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wonderful way to get visibility around.

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The project and to celebrate
the student success with that.

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And then it sounds like the, um, for
the in-person event, that's when you're

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kind of providing the actual rewards
to the students that, um, received

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either the top scores from the.

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Judges that were invited, um, but
also those that accumulated kind

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of the most votes or points from
those that, um, around the campus

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were impressed by what they did.

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So that's, that's really fantastic.

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And do you find that the students when
they're in that, um, you know, in this

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kind of content contest phase or feeling
excited about the fact that other people

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are going to have a chance to see what
they do and what their skills are or are

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some students kind of nervous about it...

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what what is that
experience like for them?

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Uh, Good question.

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So we've gotten an array
of reactions and sentiment.

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Um, one of the winners
was so hard to track down.

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Cause I was like, I wanted to do the,
the silly, maybe you saw that on the

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ePortfolio, but we have these giant
cardboard checks printed, really,

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you know, cheesy, but it was fun.

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Yes, I saw it!

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And one of them was so hard to track down.

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I had to stay till 7PM.

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on campus, and I found her, like, in a,
uh, event that she was doing over here.

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I'm like, I've been trying to track you
down and give you the, uh, your prize.

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Um, but, okay, so, uh, general
sentiment and, uh, are they

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anxious or anything like that?

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Yeah, it's a mixed bag.

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So some of them, uh, we've
gotten some that are, Hey, so,

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so when are we going to find out?

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When are we going to find out?

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You know?

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Uh, Oh, it's not until December.

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Oh man.

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You know?

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Um, but then other people
are like, okay, good.

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Uh, now I have time to kind of, you know,
relax or whatever, something like that.

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Um, so, I don't know, it's a unique,
um, of like excitement or maybe anxious

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or something like that, kind of mixed
thing, uh, like that, we had one student

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that wasn't, um, I guess when they found
out they weren't, they didn't win, they

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weren't super thrilled, um, but on that
same token, we had students who were like,

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oh, uh, This makes me motivated to try
next year, or when are you doing it again?

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That was another one that surprised
me, where students were like, when

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are you going to run it again?

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Even faculty were like, oh, if I knew,
oh, and I'm like, well, you sent out a

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million emails and you know, it's, it's
tough these days, you know, especially

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post pandemic, you know, many departments
and many emails about many things.

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And it's like, yeah,
you got to prioritize.

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So, so I get it.

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Um, it's.

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Really tough when everybody's trying
to promote their, you know, whatever's

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going on in their areas as much as they
are, um, for them to notice our thing.

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Um, which is fine, but yeah, just a, a
vast array of, of reactions like that.

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People were like, yeah, essentially,
Oh, well, when are you running it again?

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Are you going to run it in the spring?

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Are you going to run in the fall?

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And I wanted to do it in the spring.

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I, I, I did, but it was, uh, again.

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We wanted to kind of gradually
adjust, um, to doing it and adding

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that on to everything else going on
in our department and everything.

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And I didn't want it to be, I
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point where it's watered down.

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You know, that's one of the things
that I It's especially, oh man, this

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September is so hard to do, um, obviously,
uh, you know, and every other college

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knows how brutal September's can be.

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Um, it's the first month back on the
fall and, you know, it's very, very busy.

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And so, I saw, um, little things
started to kind of dip or whether it's

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promoting or whether it's, uh, you
know, getting priorities change and

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people want to join their classes.

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I can't join because my Webex link
won't work and things like this.

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And that becomes the new problem.

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And we have to, within our department
aid, we're trying to figure out,

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okay, what are the solutions
to that and things like this.

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And so you focus on that and then.

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You know, the one other person in my
department that's helping me work on

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the contest and ePortfolio topics,
even he gets, um, you know, taken away

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with other things and then it's like,
Oh, wait, we got to bring it back.

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We got to bring it back.

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Let's plot a meeting for next Monday,
you know, and just to make sure that

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we're on top of it and we're not
forgetting and we're not losing it.

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So that's the thing I, I found to
be a bit challenging, um, last year.

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And again, this year, even though this
year we had more time to plot things out.

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It's still.

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Um, you know, one thing, I don't know if
it's a Higher Ed thing or Academia thing,

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or maybe just community colleges, but no
matter how much you plan, um, you know,

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things, there tends to be just things that
come out of the sides and out of nowhere.

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And it's almost like a life thing.

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Yeah.

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That too.

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For sure.

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Absolutely.

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Um, but it's so, the strangest
thing with that is, um, It's

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almost like every semester.

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There's a topic if I were to
go back to every semester.

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There's like a thing that like
That like colored that semester.

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So like if I looked back at least
for again for Bunker Hill Oh, we

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had the the great the great 'Single
Sign On' issue of 2019, you know,

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or the great WiFi, WiFi crisis of
Of fall 2020, you know what I mean?

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Like it was, and obviously 2020, 2021
are obvious as a pandemic and everything.

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Um, so there was always
like a thing that colored.

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And so I find that it's almost
like, okay, what's going to be the

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thing this semester and like plot
and plan for that and say, okay.

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Knowing that there's a thing that's going
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of this and webinars and things like this
and, you know, do a little promotion and

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things like this and really refocus how
we're going to do because it's almost like

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we're planning for it to definitely happen
sometimes, you know, not to be pessimistic

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about it, but it's, it's a reality and
it's inevitable, especially these days

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with, you know, the whole cybersecurity
things going on and, and all of that.

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So really trying to.

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Uh, stay on top of that while
also staying enthusiastic with

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things like the contest and making
funny videos and stuff like that.

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So.

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Yeah, and I was curious, too.

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So you shared a little bit about
the, um, perspective of the students.

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What was the process like for the
judges, and have you had some judges

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that wanted to return this year
because they enjoyed that process?

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Yes, actually.

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So, um, much like the students, the judges
shared a sentiment at first, something

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like, Why is the process like this, like
the first one or two, but then after

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doing three, four, five, four, four,
he's like, Oh, this is really easy.

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You know, it's just, they had to
get into a flow of the, the way that

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we built out the process of judging
because we use a few different things.

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Um, we have a, um, now we have
a Microsoft SharePoint page, but

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it was a Word doc the first time.

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So I'll just go with the Word
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imagine a Word document with.

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The steps written down in a couple of
screenshots, not too wordy, not too

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big, no more than two pages, really
try to keep it as simple as possible

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and as to the point as possible.

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Um, so you have that process and then
you have, so those steps kind of map out.

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Okay, step one, click into the
Digication course and we have

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the link to it right there.

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They click it, they view the submissions.

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Next.

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Look at the list of submissions
that anybody with the right status,

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that means they have a submission.

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So you have to explain
the logic of it to them.

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That means they have a submission,
click the button and click this view.

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ePortfolio submission button as well,
but make sure you click the latest

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one and not the previous one because
students can submit multiple times.

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You can see the date time stamps listed.

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Click that.

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So there was multiple steps.

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So the, the faculty at first were saying
I, you know, one of their, we did a

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survey and got feedback from them and
everything and some of the things that

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they were saying was, oh, what's the um,
I'm wondering if there's an easier way

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to go about, well, now that we did like
10, 20, 30 ePortfolios and, and reviewed

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them, I, we understand why it was like it,
but in the beginning, we were like, ah, I

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wonder if there was an easier way you can
use this or use this feature or use this.

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So really it was just sort of
the logistical of how to judge

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that was, um, a little in flux
in terms of sentiment for them.

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Um, overall they.

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I think for some of them, well, one
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and she was like, yeah, ask me again.

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I'd love to do it again.

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Um, you know, actually two of them, uh,
two of the six from last year said that,

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um, but I wanted to get maybe two repeat
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I wanted to get new, new judges too.

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And so there was overall enthusiasm.

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They loved the portfolios.

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Um, Some of them, they were like, oh,
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And obviously, that wasn't, you know,
this one was a submitted screenshot.

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And it's like, oh, maybe they
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maybe they didn't quite understand.

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Maybe there's a better way that you
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out for them, or maybe there's a way
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is, to make it a little easier and
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Fortunately, now it is, because
the submit button's built in

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and everything, so it's great.

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Um, built into the portfolio.

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So, yeah, so it was generally, um, some of
that sort of sentiment we got from them.

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Overall, they were just really
enthusiastic about, um, the types

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of ePortfolios they were seeing.

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Some of them, I remember hearing
from other faculty saying, Oh my

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God, I taught that student, you
know, cause, uh, there were some

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that I've done e portfolios for, um.

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That were in a class that I did ePortfolio
trainings for and they submitted to the

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contest, but that professor had no idea.

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And then in the, uh, when doing
their training this year, I was

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showing some of the winners.

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Here's a couple of example winning
portfolios that, you know, uh, for

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you students to check out and look at.

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And the professor goes, Oh
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from my last year semester.

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Oh my God, I didn't realize you won,
you know, and Uh, so it, it, it just

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adds an extra layer and then it builds
on the enthusiasm of like, Oh, like,

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yeah, I think I'd like to be a judge.

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And they're like, Oh, I don't
know if I have the time.

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And then one of them that originally
said they didn't have the time,

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they're like, you know what?

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Yeah, I'll, I'll do it.

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I want to do it.

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And I'm like, Hey, good.

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Cause it's not that bad.

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Once you get the momentum going, I think
for the way we built out the judging, you

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just get one, two, three in, you're good.

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And you just keep flowing through it,
stick to the rubric as much as possible.

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Um, And yeah, generally they'd be fine.

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And I'm thinking, you know, hearing
about the process too, with, um, the new

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Digication KORA courses that that judging
process will probably be even easier

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for the judges be able to just kind of
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Um, so I'm excited about that too.

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And, you know, in looking at the
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the judges chose, um, and also those
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I mean, the quality of the work that
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experiences were so inspiring and I know
there was one that I read who was, I

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believe he's a, uh, economy or economics
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his background and kind of family history
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today is, you know, really driving his
passion for, uh, Working in the community

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and helping those that, um, are in
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and that's why he's studying what he is
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Cleo earlier, creating her own kind of,
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just, you know, these students are just
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that people have to, you know, just kind
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and the work that they're doing is a time
for everybody just to kind of reflect on.

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You know, what makes Bunker Hill
Community College what it is and the,

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you know, the success of the students
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members there and people like you that
are working hard to support everyone

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and all of their different endeavors.

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Um, so a huge congratulations
really to, to all of you and I hope

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that you feel very proud about.

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What you've done in your role
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that you're doing in creating this
opportunity for students to celebrate

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what, you know, what they've done
and the success of their peers.

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It's, it's really remarkable.

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Yeah, thank you.

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I really appreciate that.

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And, um, yeah, I think,
yeah, we're definitely proud.

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We're definitely happy.

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Um, you know, we, one of the things
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to one, understand what they really
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really appreciate the concept of it.

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Um, Such that they're, you know,
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obligatory thing that you have to
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Yes, you might, you're getting
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classes, but, um, the utility
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it, the more you get out of it.

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And I, I, from what I've seen, um, I'll,
I'll throw this example at you too.

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Um, there, there was an
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I used to go around to a lot of those
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Blended out a place where they're
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their classes, which is great.

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Um, and so there, uh, one student heard
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And they were like, you know what?

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I actually want to try.

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And they like, you know, added the
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Made it really, really nice.

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Um, Life for me, I, I, I might have lost
the portfolio, but, um, maybe I'll reach

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out to the teacher to find it again.

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But, um, anyway, they applied
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they were going to school for.

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And the Wednesday of that next
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that they were going to school for.

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So for me, yeah, exactly.

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So for me, it's, I kind of
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Um, it's like, I mean, so, and I, I've
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I've been, I've hired
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You know, I, when you have a stack of
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and white page with black text, it
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while, but I see one, and this is what I
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with the name at the top, the address,
phone number, and then they have.

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The word website or they have the word
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And I'm like, Oh, cool.

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I actually get to look at
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it and I see two eyes, a smile.

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I see them doing choir with a group
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It implies.

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I get along with people.

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I've worked long, medium to long term
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to make one thing happen and create
something like all that's implied.

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What image, uh, picture's
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All of that utility is, is great.

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And I think over time, students are
understanding this more and more.

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And so, yes, I think we are, our
department is very proud of ePortfolio

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and very proud of, you know, what
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build enthusiasm for students.

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And, you know, we're only looking to grow
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You know, our department's a little
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getting KORA going, but I'm really excited
for January when we, when we launch it.

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So it's going to be great.

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Yeah.

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We've got your back there.

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Awesome.

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I know you, you all do.

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You guys have been so helpful
and I thank you, all so, so much.

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Well, we love working with your community,
and, you know, we know that, um, as

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technology changes and transitions and
upgrades happen, some, sometimes some

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schools need a little more time, and
we're really excited to see how you, um,

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put these new, these new tools to work.

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I think it'll, Really fall in line
very well with the way that you're

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already using the platform and open
up some more streamlined ways to do

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your, uh, assessments for, for sure.

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Um, I can, you know, directly see how it
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Um, viewing these
submissions for the showcase.

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Um, but I think it'll have a lot
of power in the classes that you

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have using the ePortfolios also.

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So I'm, I'm thrilled.

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Yeah, totally agree.

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Thank you.

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I'm so excited.

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I can't wait.

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Good, good.

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Well, thank you again,
Matthew, for joining me today.

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It was really wonderful to have
a chance to connect with you.

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And I get just so close to this kind of,
um, 15 year, uh, reunion of sorts, our

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anniversary of, um, beginning our time
working with your, uh, school, just doing

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wonderful things over this time and very
excited to continue that collaboration

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and excited to share your, your story
and your experience with others.

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Great.

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Thank you, Kelly.

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Appreciate it.

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This was great.

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Great.

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Take good care.

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Bye.

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You too, Bye...

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Coming up next, we'll be chatting
with Sharron Huang, recent

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graduate of Stony Brook University,
where she received a B.A.

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in  Linguistics, an M.

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A.

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in Teaching English to Speakers
of Other Languages, and an M.

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S.

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in Speech Language Pathology.

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Here's a quick preview.

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I do genuinely think that college is
absolutely what you make out of it.

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And that's a life lesson for
how much, like, life, like, you,

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life is what you make out of it.

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You know, the opportunities you take,
the risks you take, the people you meet,

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and the connections you make, right?