1 00:00:01,050 --> 00:00:04,170 Welcome to Digication Scholars Conversations. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,210 I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll. 3 00:00:06,780 --> 00:00:11,220 In this episode, you'll hear part two of my conversation with Lillian 4 00:00:11,220 --> 00:00:15,810 Rafeldt, professor of nursing at Three Rivers Community College. 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,709 More links and information about today's conversation can be found Digication's, 6 00:00:23,730 --> 00:00:25,730 Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. 7 00:00:27,384 --> 00:00:31,255 Full episodes of Digication Scholars Conversations can be found on 8 00:00:31,255 --> 00:00:33,775 YouTube or your favorite podcast app. 9 00:00:37,735 --> 00:00:44,635 There is something else beautiful that you said about the learning 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,135 experience of your students. 11 00:00:46,165 --> 00:00:48,655 I don't know if this is something that you kind of think about 12 00:00:48,655 --> 00:00:54,655 often, but you described it as this kind of process of coming undone. 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:01,635 and then coming back together again, and that there is this vulnerability 14 00:01:02,535 --> 00:01:06,765 in the, uh, the coming undone. 15 00:01:07,365 --> 00:01:12,115 And honestly, this is something that happens to all of us through, 16 00:01:12,585 --> 00:01:15,755 throughout our lives, um mm-hmm. 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:16,835 in our decision making. 18 00:01:18,285 --> 00:01:24,615 This kind of lovely description of how, you know it is in that vulnerability and 19 00:01:24,615 --> 00:01:29,625 the, the strength that they're finding when things do come back together again, 20 00:01:29,625 --> 00:01:36,275 that's kind of solidifying why they really did make the best choice for themselves 21 00:01:36,495 --> 00:01:43,065 in moving into this particular field and the, the kind of life changing impact 22 00:01:43,065 --> 00:01:45,735 that it has had on them to, to do so. 23 00:01:46,830 --> 00:01:52,470 Um, and I was curious, um, with some of the students as they're kind of going 24 00:01:52,470 --> 00:01:56,790 through this process of, you know, coming undone and coming back to together 25 00:01:56,790 --> 00:02:01,680 again and sharing some of what they've done, um, after they've gone through 26 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,940 their reviews, it sounds like they do sometimes have the opportunity to share. 27 00:02:06,075 --> 00:02:12,375 These, um, portfolios or maybe some curated versions of that with external 28 00:02:12,375 --> 00:02:19,305 audiences, if they have shared with you, um, you know, what, what that experience 29 00:02:19,305 --> 00:02:24,954 was like and maybe some of the feedback that they got from, from those audiences, 30 00:02:24,954 --> 00:02:29,985 whether it was from family or friends or. 31 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:36,510 Um, maybe some of them have used the e-portfolios to get employment. 32 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,830 Um, I would love to hear if you've gotten some stories from students 33 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:43,590 about, about that aspect as well. 34 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:52,590 Um, Many stories from family and friends who they're like, oh, so this is why 35 00:02:52,590 --> 00:02:59,940 I never saw you, um, or, because there was so . You know, there, there 36 00:02:59,945 --> 00:03:04,200 are are activities that you miss when you're in any professional program. 37 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:04,600 Right. 38 00:03:05,260 --> 00:03:07,240 So it just Oh, sure. 39 00:03:09,315 --> 00:03:15,195 Help solidify the family and how they helped with dinners or whatever 40 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:17,415 they helped with at different points. 41 00:03:17,865 --> 00:03:21,495 Um, and, and a sense of pride, right? 42 00:03:21,555 --> 00:03:22,485 A sense of pride. 43 00:03:22,490 --> 00:03:27,045 When we have the pinning ceremonies, some students have taken pictures from 44 00:03:27,050 --> 00:03:33,645 different experiences and they put together a whole slideshow with, um, While 45 00:03:33,645 --> 00:03:39,195 people are coming into the auditorium waiting for the ceremony to begin. 46 00:03:39,375 --> 00:03:45,255 So there's that whole visual and, and, you know, from the beginning, all 47 00:03:45,255 --> 00:03:47,415 right, you know, funny pictures too. 48 00:03:47,420 --> 00:03:53,595 And, and so, so maybe not as many patient stories, but stories about themselves. 49 00:03:53,665 --> 00:03:55,545 Okay, so that's there. 50 00:03:56,115 --> 00:04:01,005 Um, the, the employers is an actual interesting question. 51 00:04:01,245 --> 00:04:08,580 Um, and that's possibly because we're regarded well, so I will say 52 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:13,980 electronically, students can put the link to an e-portfolio, another mm-hmm. 53 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:18,000 E-portfolio, another learning portfolio that they've used all the 54 00:04:18,005 --> 00:04:23,940 time, but a, uh, more polished, um, portfolio that they wanna share. 55 00:04:24,690 --> 00:04:28,830 They do put that link on that electronic submission. 56 00:04:29,805 --> 00:04:34,995 and the feedback we've gotten is that some people actually click into 57 00:04:34,995 --> 00:04:41,655 it, but some people do not because they prefer an in-person interview. 58 00:04:41,715 --> 00:04:42,105 Right. 59 00:04:42,105 --> 00:04:43,725 So, um mm-hmm. 60 00:04:43,905 --> 00:04:44,325 . Mm-hmm. 61 00:04:45,255 --> 00:04:50,535 . So, but, but I will share one thing with you in how. 62 00:04:52,665 --> 00:04:56,475 Portfolios are being used, let's say for me, professionally, right? 63 00:04:56,745 --> 00:04:56,865 Okay. 64 00:04:57,065 --> 00:04:57,485 Mm-hmm. 65 00:04:57,570 --> 00:05:00,885 . So it's not the beautiful story portfolio, right? 66 00:05:01,095 --> 00:05:04,905 What it is is I just reapplied for my certified nursing 67 00:05:04,905 --> 00:05:07,965 educator, um, you know, renewal. 68 00:05:08,505 --> 00:05:11,845 And what was interesting to me, you have to do this every five years. 69 00:05:12,195 --> 00:05:14,075 You can either take the exam. 70 00:05:15,035 --> 00:05:19,005 Or submit how you're meeting each of the eight outcomes. 71 00:05:19,335 --> 00:05:19,695 Okay? 72 00:05:20,295 --> 00:05:20,535 So, mm-hmm. 73 00:05:20,775 --> 00:05:21,405 , I did it. 74 00:05:21,525 --> 00:05:22,455 I submitted it. 75 00:05:22,485 --> 00:05:25,515 Do you know it was a portfolio system, right? 76 00:05:25,965 --> 00:05:31,245 Provide a reflection, an artifact, and how, um, you've achieved this. 77 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:34,785 And I got a response back within a day. 78 00:05:34,895 --> 00:05:39,465 Alright, that you have now earned your next five year renewal. 79 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:48,120 In previous years you did fill out electronic submissions, but it wasn't 80 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,200 set up in a portfolio, so Right, right. 81 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:58,350 So it's a different type of portfolio, but I would say that the speed in 82 00:05:58,355 --> 00:06:02,400 which I received my reply was amazing. 83 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:05,100 It was amazing. 84 00:06:05,105 --> 00:06:05,180 Yeah. 85 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,300 So yeah, so in that sense there's that, um, the schools per se. 86 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:15,930 Um, also some students share, we have many articulation agreements, so there's 87 00:06:15,930 --> 00:06:23,080 multiple factors of why, um, Students articulate into different programs. 88 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,850 Um, but again mm-hmm. 89 00:06:25,090 --> 00:06:27,640 , I think it's the thinking process. 90 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,800 It may not be the actual product, but it's the thinking process. 91 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:32,890 Mm-hmm. 92 00:06:33,130 --> 00:06:37,210 that has been developed in the student that helps them to succeed 93 00:06:37,210 --> 00:06:46,000 with employer interviews and within school work, um, and graduate work. 94 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:54,780 Um, And in academia, actually, many of the four year ac um, academic 95 00:06:54,780 --> 00:06:57,270 settings, they ask for a portfolio. 96 00:06:57,275 --> 00:07:03,570 So those people that have access to previous work they've done can be used. 97 00:07:04,455 --> 00:07:11,145 And do you know, for the students that may be developing, uh, these more kind 98 00:07:11,145 --> 00:07:15,715 of, I think you referred to them as polished versions of their portfolio, 99 00:07:16,665 --> 00:07:21,645 um, that aren't the same portfolios where they may have been doing more of their 100 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:24,155 storytelling or these kind of mm-hmm. 101 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,985 case studies of their experiences. 102 00:07:27,465 --> 00:07:32,920 Um, , do you know what the, the process is like for them as they may be 103 00:07:33,220 --> 00:07:37,130 creating that, um, additional portfolio? 104 00:07:37,660 --> 00:07:41,140 What, as we're working, and I'm asking this because as we're working with 105 00:07:41,140 --> 00:07:50,140 different institutions and organizations around, uh, portfolios in the variety 106 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:56,369 of different ways that the technology can support teaching and learning and 107 00:07:56,820 --> 00:08:00,630 preparation for career after graduation. 108 00:08:01,619 --> 00:08:05,729 You know, we very often get asked this question of, you know, well, 109 00:08:06,090 --> 00:08:10,200 you know, we want students to be able to create these learning portfolios, 110 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,609 but we also want them to have this kind of showcase portfolio and, you 111 00:08:14,609 --> 00:08:16,080 know, how are we gonna manage that? 112 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:23,220 And, you know, Jeff and I, well and, uh, all of the kind of evolution 113 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,510 that's happened within our product that it's always been, you know, 114 00:08:27,510 --> 00:08:34,270 a space for students to be able to create really as many kind of separate. 115 00:08:34,270 --> 00:08:42,840 ePortfolios or, um, you know, collections of work and experiences that they may need 116 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,150 to, to share with different audiences. 117 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:49,320 So, um, even though this question comes up so much, we're always like, well, you 118 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,181 know, this, this is how we've solved this. 119 00:08:51,575 --> 00:08:55,445 You know, we make it really easy for students to, you know, create whatever 120 00:08:55,445 --> 00:09:00,995 they need and, uh, you know, that they can easily kind of copy and move 121 00:09:00,995 --> 00:09:03,455 things from one portfolio to another. 122 00:09:03,455 --> 00:09:07,265 They can add new pages, they could duplicate the whole thing and 123 00:09:07,265 --> 00:09:09,605 then go in and make modifications. 124 00:09:09,605 --> 00:09:16,290 But I'm curious if you could share a little bit about, uh, within nursing, Some 125 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:21,810 of the, um, practices are specifically for your students if they are developing 126 00:09:21,810 --> 00:09:27,990 a portfolio that has more of this kind of, um, in the field kind of story 127 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:32,610 storytelling element, and then, you know, what that might look like as they're 128 00:09:32,610 --> 00:09:37,170 creating a different version that they may wanna share with other people. 129 00:09:38,430 --> 00:09:38,730 Right. 130 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:45,390 So, so I mean that, that traditional model that they have, um, You know, 131 00:09:45,390 --> 00:09:50,310 you put in that brief resume, you, you say your experience per se. 132 00:09:50,849 --> 00:09:56,579 Um, I do believe you might have multiple showcase portfolios because depending 133 00:09:56,579 --> 00:10:02,640 on the position you're applying for, you do need to match to right the position. 134 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:03,210 Right. 135 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:04,770 So, so right, right. 136 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,500 That you might have certain areas that are the same, but ultimately your goal 137 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:16,380 would be there, um, as to what you want, and then supporting evidence as to 138 00:10:16,385 --> 00:10:18,751 how you would be qualified to do that. 139 00:10:19,635 --> 00:10:23,775 Some of the, you know, looking at the employer's website and 140 00:10:23,775 --> 00:10:25,964 what are their core values. 141 00:10:25,964 --> 00:10:31,214 For instance, one of our hospital's values integrity and communication 142 00:10:31,214 --> 00:10:32,564 and patient centered care. 143 00:10:32,775 --> 00:10:37,525 So if you address their core values, um, then, right? 144 00:10:37,635 --> 00:10:41,025 That would be the best way to do that. 145 00:10:41,295 --> 00:10:42,614 Now I do. 146 00:10:42,985 --> 00:10:46,135 . So here's my question though. 147 00:10:46,135 --> 00:10:47,935 This is my question because mm-hmm. 148 00:10:48,865 --> 00:10:54,865 HR in theory is not supposed to know what you look like, right? 149 00:10:55,365 --> 00:10:55,785 Mm-hmm. 150 00:10:55,885 --> 00:10:56,265 in theory. 151 00:10:56,265 --> 00:10:56,465 Mm-hmm. 152 00:10:57,165 --> 00:11:02,385 . because I, I, truthfully, one of the best things I would think would be to have, 153 00:11:02,444 --> 00:11:07,965 you know, maybe a one minute introductory video being that Digication, you can, 154 00:11:08,025 --> 00:11:13,905 um, you know, video actually straight through, um, the computer itself. 155 00:11:13,905 --> 00:11:13,995 Mm-hmm. 156 00:11:14,235 --> 00:11:14,806 and upload that. 157 00:11:15,255 --> 00:11:18,314 I mean, yes, you can use your phone and you can upload things and, 158 00:11:18,375 --> 00:11:22,064 and, but would that be accepted? 159 00:11:22,185 --> 00:11:23,444 That, I don't know. 160 00:11:23,745 --> 00:11:26,295 Um, because I'm not in an HR department. 161 00:11:26,685 --> 00:11:27,105 All right. 162 00:11:27,195 --> 00:11:28,365 So I don't know. 163 00:11:28,365 --> 00:11:28,725 Right. 164 00:11:28,875 --> 00:11:29,265 Yeah. 165 00:11:29,265 --> 00:11:33,975 Um, and I think it's an important conversation and I think it's one that, 166 00:11:34,185 --> 00:11:41,645 you know, I will continue to kind of evolve over time with, with technology 167 00:11:42,255 --> 00:11:50,445 and vary by different fields and organizations and, and what's accepted. 168 00:11:50,445 --> 00:11:51,735 I mean, I think we know now. 169 00:11:52,350 --> 00:11:59,550 Whether someone is submitting or a resume or a link to their portfolio that. 170 00:12:00,135 --> 00:12:07,695 The ability to simply Google someone and see pictures of who they are or yeah. 171 00:12:08,355 --> 00:12:12,195 Their, how they live and breathe on a variety of different 172 00:12:12,195 --> 00:12:14,055 social media platforms. 173 00:12:14,055 --> 00:12:17,855 You know, that that's the reality that we live in now that it's very visual. 174 00:12:17,995 --> 00:12:18,415 Mm-hmm. 175 00:12:18,755 --> 00:12:22,335 . So I do think it's a, it's an interesting conversation and it'll 176 00:12:22,335 --> 00:12:27,525 be, um, something, you know, to continue to watch and respond to. 177 00:12:27,525 --> 00:12:28,725 And I think the more. 178 00:12:29,355 --> 00:12:35,595 Open conversations we're able to have with the organizations mm-hmm. 179 00:12:35,835 --> 00:12:42,015 that, that we know may be hiring from our programs and institutions and, 180 00:12:42,075 --> 00:12:44,425 you know, what is it that they value? 181 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:51,420 Knowing about these, uh, potential candidates, you know, what are, what are 182 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:57,360 they hoping that they can capture about them from their, you know, about me or 183 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:03,765 their cover letters or their resumes, so that, That the kind of coaching and 184 00:13:03,765 --> 00:13:09,135 mentoring that we give the students is gonna be, um, you know, in line with 185 00:13:09,135 --> 00:13:12,435 what the employers are, are looking for. 186 00:13:12,645 --> 00:13:17,715 Yeah, and you spoke a little bit earlier too, that some of the students, um, as 187 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:26,520 they may be going through the, the process of creating these more, um, Uh, kind 188 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,260 of different versions of their career oriented portfolios that they, they may 189 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:37,440 actually be creating more than one and, um, that they have the ability to kind of 190 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:46,110 shape and model and kind of pull evidence and experiences that align with the 191 00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:51,690 very specific kinds of job opportunities that they may be applying for. 192 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:57,525 Um, Which is lovely to hear, and I think a real asset with some of 193 00:13:57,525 --> 00:13:59,625 the, the customization available. 194 00:14:00,075 --> 00:14:00,285 Yep. 195 00:14:00,365 --> 00:14:05,145 And, and the one actually, um, if they could do a visual, I would think 196 00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:08,265 they should do something of what's called that elevator statement. 197 00:14:08,355 --> 00:14:08,705 Right. 198 00:14:09,765 --> 00:14:14,265 If you see somebody in an elevator who would hire you and in one minute or 199 00:14:14,265 --> 00:14:18,735 less tell them why they should actually hire you or interview you at least. 200 00:14:19,065 --> 00:14:22,395 Um, and that would be a great opening, right? 201 00:14:22,755 --> 00:14:28,635 Um, if the visual was part of what you could do, uh, because mm-hmm , it 202 00:14:28,635 --> 00:14:32,685 just makes sense, you know, that quick, you know how most humans are. 203 00:14:32,685 --> 00:14:35,655 They're like, okay, let me see in two seconds. 204 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,940 or less, should I keep watching? 205 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:38,180 Right. 206 00:14:39,050 --> 00:14:40,550 ? Um, right, right. 207 00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:48,140 And then somehow incorporating if you can, besides the hard, um, resume, the, 208 00:14:48,260 --> 00:14:50,780 that you are demonstrating soft skills. 209 00:14:50,780 --> 00:14:51,170 Right? 210 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:58,400 Because most employers really, they say they can train all other types of things, 211 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,245 but not necessarily the soft skills if you don't come with those, so, So that 212 00:15:04,245 --> 00:15:05,925 might be something in all those Right. 213 00:15:07,635 --> 00:15:08,775 Other portfolios. 214 00:15:09,735 --> 00:15:10,545 Absolutely. 215 00:15:10,545 --> 00:15:16,305 And, and how you might have, um, you know, a, a fit with. 216 00:15:17,145 --> 00:15:23,655 The other colleagues within the organization or really bring 217 00:15:23,655 --> 00:15:28,665 in a new perspective that they desperately need and don't have yet. 218 00:15:28,844 --> 00:15:30,165 And, um, mm-hmm. 219 00:15:30,645 --> 00:15:37,515 , you know, all of these are things that I think would be incredibly hard to gather 220 00:15:37,515 --> 00:15:40,635 from, you know, bullet points on a resume. 221 00:15:40,665 --> 00:15:46,530 But I think that we have the ability to, um, , you know, get quite a lot 222 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:51,540 of that information that we're looking for from sometimes these very brief, 223 00:15:52,170 --> 00:15:58,290 but media oriented kinds of, um, storytelling, you know, where we're 224 00:15:58,380 --> 00:16:03,050 sharing a little bit about who we are and why we believe we would be, um, 225 00:16:03,510 --> 00:16:08,890 a good addition to a team and what skills we bring to the table and... 226 00:16:09,830 --> 00:16:16,694 So, um, I think it's a lovely perspective and one that, um, you know, as you're kind 227 00:16:16,694 --> 00:16:24,015 of continuing to, you know, I, I believe be a kind of trailblazer in e-portfolios 228 00:16:24,020 --> 00:16:30,194 within the nursing field to kind of keep pushing at the edges of what, what this 229 00:16:30,194 --> 00:16:33,675 technology can do for your students. 230 00:16:35,310 --> 00:16:43,110 While they're moving through your courses and in their clinical experiences, 231 00:16:43,260 --> 00:16:48,510 um, it's a beautiful thing that you've developed this community for the students 232 00:16:48,510 --> 00:16:51,360 to provide mentorship for each other. 233 00:16:52,020 --> 00:16:55,189 Um, I did wanna touch on one other thing that you mentioned earlier about. 234 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,850 And I believe you said you've already started to do this, but, uh, correct me 235 00:16:59,850 --> 00:17:02,670 if I'm wrong, maybe it's something that you're planning for, but have you also 236 00:17:02,670 --> 00:17:11,640 started to invite, um, alumni to take part in some of this mentorship as well? 237 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:13,410 Okay. 238 00:17:13,620 --> 00:17:20,370 We, um, asked the graduates of, of the spring semester, um, 239 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,849 to come back and share things. 240 00:17:23,925 --> 00:17:28,965 About testing, about studying, about getting ready for the program and what 241 00:17:28,965 --> 00:17:31,575 to, you know, do those type of things. 242 00:17:31,575 --> 00:17:36,105 And so they came back and created some videos and we. 243 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:41,355 Asked a variety of cultures, um, to do that. 244 00:17:41,564 --> 00:17:47,774 And, you know, some came directly into school, um, and we set up the 245 00:17:47,774 --> 00:17:51,855 cameras and did it that way and did it, you know that a few of them 246 00:17:51,855 --> 00:17:53,145 were there together for support. 247 00:17:54,330 --> 00:18:00,090 We'll be meeting as a group soon because we're going out to either lunch or dinner. 248 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:02,970 Um, and I've been sharing how it's worked. 249 00:18:02,970 --> 00:18:04,230 It has been supportive. 250 00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:09,450 We did have one student create, um, the way he passed NCLEX. 251 00:18:10,260 --> 00:18:13,345 Um, He did it while he was sitting in his car. 252 00:18:13,345 --> 00:18:16,915 It was very, it was a funny video, but it was right on. 253 00:18:16,975 --> 00:18:18,175 It was just, yep. 254 00:18:18,175 --> 00:18:19,465 That makes so much sense. 255 00:18:19,465 --> 00:18:22,735 So that was something shared with all the faculty and then they could choose 256 00:18:22,735 --> 00:18:25,345 to put it into their Blackboard shell. 257 00:18:25,585 --> 00:18:27,205 Um, but I have the video. 258 00:18:27,210 --> 00:18:27,255 Mm-hmm. 259 00:18:27,335 --> 00:18:32,385 , when I talk about the Digication future, um, You know, that it would happen. 260 00:18:32,385 --> 00:18:34,905 So, so that's what we're doing. 261 00:18:34,935 --> 00:18:39,375 There are graduates from the past, um, who have said they're willing 262 00:18:39,375 --> 00:18:45,795 to help and meet either in person or virtually, or how we wanna do it. 263 00:18:46,245 --> 00:18:51,585 Um, we just have to have more of a structure too, uh, to mm-hmm. 264 00:18:51,975 --> 00:18:54,255 , because our curriculums have changed. 265 00:18:54,315 --> 00:18:56,375 So, so in the sense of mm-hmm. 266 00:18:56,455 --> 00:18:56,655 , if. 267 00:18:57,270 --> 00:19:00,960 Somebody from a previous curriculum wants to mentor someone. 268 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:07,920 We just have to be a little careful, um, as to, well, let's just run through what 269 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,150 mentoring really means and what you would be sharing and what you know, might have 270 00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:14,550 been changes and that type of stuff. 271 00:19:14,555 --> 00:19:16,450 So that's a ongoing process. 272 00:19:17,130 --> 00:19:23,040 But definitely we don't have a nursing alumni association, but we do have. 273 00:19:23,745 --> 00:19:26,865 Nurses connected on Facebook. 274 00:19:26,865 --> 00:19:31,305 So , you know, most of them, we don't friend them as educators when 275 00:19:31,305 --> 00:19:35,865 they're in the program, but after, um, they graduate if they'd like to. 276 00:19:35,865 --> 00:19:39,975 And, and even if they don't graduate and they, you know, move on to something 277 00:19:39,975 --> 00:19:45,254 else if they'd like to after, um, they're welcome to ask to friend any of us. 278 00:19:45,254 --> 00:19:45,465 And. 279 00:19:46,135 --> 00:19:48,535 Many of us have quite a few followers. 280 00:19:48,535 --> 00:19:51,085 And so in that way we've stayed connected. 281 00:19:51,085 --> 00:19:57,235 So it, it looks like it's going to evolve into a more formalized, um, way. 282 00:19:57,535 --> 00:20:00,115 Right now we just track people, have you passed NCLEX? 283 00:20:00,595 --> 00:20:01,855 Okay, where do you work? 284 00:20:01,860 --> 00:20:03,205 How long do you work there? 285 00:20:03,265 --> 00:20:04,645 You know, that kind of stuff, right? 286 00:20:04,915 --> 00:20:08,245 But now it's, it's moving into some other areas. 287 00:20:08,275 --> 00:20:14,125 Um, and, you know, can I, like I say, with that, that larger, 288 00:20:14,185 --> 00:20:20,159 um, e-portfolio collage, let's call it a collage of mentoring. 289 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:20,310 Mm-hmm. 290 00:20:20,780 --> 00:20:24,060 , um, you know that ha, that does have potential. 291 00:20:24,435 --> 00:20:24,855 All right. 292 00:20:24,855 --> 00:20:29,385 And again, you're inspiring me to, to keep, keep moving on with this song, 293 00:20:32,785 --> 00:20:34,005 I have the context now. 294 00:20:34,005 --> 00:20:35,745 I have to move them into digital 295 00:20:39,225 --> 00:20:43,705 I have, uh, all the faith that you'll be able to, uh, keep 296 00:20:44,025 --> 00:20:45,915 moving that, that forward. 297 00:20:45,915 --> 00:20:46,455 Lily. 298 00:20:46,575 --> 00:20:51,255 Um, and I know we're getting close to the, the end of our time, um, but 299 00:20:51,255 --> 00:20:53,565 I did wanna touch a little bit on. 300 00:20:53,645 --> 00:20:58,625 The assessment of the student e portfolios as well. 301 00:20:58,625 --> 00:21:04,205 We spent a good bit of time talking about the mentorship it at some stage. 302 00:21:04,295 --> 00:21:09,754 Um, are these, uh, e-portfolios going through any kind of 303 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,995 formal assessment process? 304 00:21:12,335 --> 00:21:21,899 We have some nursing programs that use them, um, specifically for, um, You 305 00:21:21,905 --> 00:21:27,120 know, assessment towards professional practice standards and learning outcomes, 306 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:32,429 and in some cases, some program level kinds of accreditation activities. 307 00:21:32,435 --> 00:21:35,949 Is that something that's happening within nursing at Three Rivers as well? 308 00:21:38,189 --> 00:21:42,810 Um, our focus more at Three Rivers has been the general education 309 00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:45,510 assessment to bring it across. 310 00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:45,600 Mm-hmm. 311 00:21:45,870 --> 00:21:47,429 , the college. 312 00:21:47,790 --> 00:21:52,949 Um, that was our push, um, with Kem Barfield and, and, um, 313 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:54,870 Mike Stutz and Terry Delaney. 314 00:21:55,199 --> 00:22:02,159 We pushed it in that way so that yes, we're assessing, um, artifacts 315 00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:05,310 related to science or any of the general education courses. 316 00:22:06,585 --> 00:22:15,915 That nursing has had, um, we did change the curriculum from a three credit 317 00:22:15,915 --> 00:22:20,775 course to a one credit leadership course, so that in essence in nursing, 318 00:22:21,075 --> 00:22:28,155 that changed the, um, assignment to some degree to respect student time. 319 00:22:29,535 --> 00:22:32,220 . So the assessment is there, but it's more informal. 320 00:22:32,670 --> 00:22:34,170 Um, is it growing? 321 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:34,320 Mm-hmm. 322 00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:36,540 , it reemerging again. 323 00:22:36,570 --> 00:22:41,070 Yes, of course it has to because accreditors now are asking 324 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,370 to see authentic assessment. 325 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,160 Right? 326 00:22:44,165 --> 00:22:45,090 Authentic assessment. 327 00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:45,720 So right. 328 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:52,410 No longer, can you just say, our NCLEX pass rate is always about 90 or 100%. 329 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:55,800 Um, here are our mountain measure reports. 330 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,835 You have to say, well, What artifacts or what reflections are 331 00:23:00,835 --> 00:23:06,955 you choosing to demonstrate authentic assessment and in that case, right. 332 00:23:07,045 --> 00:23:11,205 Um, Digication comes back to life in that way. 333 00:23:11,355 --> 00:23:16,725 And, um, I just, anybody who's listening to this, I do want them to understand that 334 00:23:16,725 --> 00:23:19,544 there's an ebb and a flow to the process. 335 00:23:19,905 --> 00:23:23,326 Um, and again, it has to do, I mean, when you. 336 00:23:24,215 --> 00:23:30,185 You know, um, faculty change positions and, and especially in nursing, 337 00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:34,445 faculty might go back to practice cuz it's a different pay differential. 338 00:23:34,835 --> 00:23:36,275 So, um mm-hmm. 339 00:23:36,785 --> 00:23:41,946 , it's, you know, there's a, there's a training process and a uh, um, you know, 340 00:23:42,365 --> 00:23:45,995 excitement process about using this and. 341 00:23:46,919 --> 00:23:48,480 We've passed accreditation. 342 00:23:48,699 --> 00:23:52,800 So, you know, eight years from now, not quite. 343 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,720 That was a while ago. 344 00:23:54,990 --> 00:23:56,580 You know, it keeps reemerging. 345 00:23:56,580 --> 00:23:56,790 Yeah. 346 00:23:56,790 --> 00:23:58,439 What is our authentic assessment? 347 00:23:59,159 --> 00:24:01,889 Um, and so that's how curriculum meetings go. 348 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:08,000 So it is reemerging again, it, it's, it's the ebb and flow. 349 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:08,520 Mm. 350 00:24:09,705 --> 00:24:11,115 But Three Rivers definitely. 351 00:24:11,415 --> 00:24:16,845 Um, we do have that five year cycle of all the elements of the gen ed assessment 352 00:24:16,845 --> 00:24:22,245 and, you know, we're science is diligently putting in artifacts for the whole 353 00:24:22,245 --> 00:24:27,955 college to review, um, in January, and then we'll move on to our next set of. 354 00:24:29,005 --> 00:24:31,015 You know, in May and that type of thing. 355 00:24:31,015 --> 00:24:36,175 And that's been a fun process, um, for faculty to learn that assessment 356 00:24:36,205 --> 00:24:40,165 is part of, um, teaching too. 357 00:24:40,495 --> 00:24:46,645 And also to see that we at Three Rivers treat assessment in a 358 00:24:46,645 --> 00:24:53,155 positive way, that it's not meant to penalize any instructor, you know. 359 00:24:53,985 --> 00:24:58,545 , if the cla, it's not a class assessment of a person, right? 360 00:24:58,605 --> 00:25:04,425 It's a let's look at the college, the program and areas we need to, to show. 361 00:25:04,425 --> 00:25:09,195 And let's say for instance, when we looked at communication artifacts, um, you know, 362 00:25:09,195 --> 00:25:14,375 public speaking, and we looked at those and they were, they were in Digication. 363 00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:15,645 It was fun to review. 364 00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:19,215 The outcomes became, okay, we need this better equipment. 365 00:25:19,215 --> 00:25:23,205 We need to structure the assignment differently, not. 366 00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:24,840 Who wasn't doing what. 367 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:31,020 So really assessment needs to be thought of in a positive way, in a growth way. 368 00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:35,550 So that's, that's where we are at Three Rivers right now. 369 00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:39,360 And we kind of think about it with, um, you know, being 370 00:25:39,365 --> 00:25:42,130 able to draw from that data. 371 00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:42,750 It's. 372 00:25:43,365 --> 00:25:47,835 , you know, one other piece to the story, right? 373 00:25:47,835 --> 00:25:53,325 And it's often this data that gives the, you know, the kind of 374 00:25:53,955 --> 00:25:55,755 information that's needed to make. 375 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,950 Decisions that are going to create the best opportunity for the students. 376 00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:05,730 And that might be that, you know, budget changes need to be made 377 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:10,020 to allocate more for resources, to improve classrooms, et cetera. 378 00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:16,245 So it's, it's often, um, You know, when everything gets pulled 379 00:26:16,245 --> 00:26:21,445 together, it, it's really not a story about, um, an an individual. 380 00:26:22,095 --> 00:26:27,165 It, it's really about how all of the pieces come together. 381 00:26:27,375 --> 00:26:30,485 Um, and the, the data can actually show that quite. 382 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:37,650 Quite clearly and, and Three Rivers has so much that has been collected, 383 00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:46,890 you know, since 2014 as evidence of the student learning across general 384 00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:48,620 education through that time period. 385 00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:51,810 It's really remarkable. 386 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:56,670 Yeah, so, but thank you so much for, for touching on that too. 387 00:26:57,270 --> 00:27:00,750 And you remind me of the, our login too. 388 00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:05,940 So our login, it's is tied directly so that there's not multiple logins. 389 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:08,550 I mean, that came through in, through our system. 390 00:27:08,850 --> 00:27:14,070 But the other thing is that if you are a graduate now or an alumni, you have 391 00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:16,920 the ability to save your portfolio. 392 00:27:17,555 --> 00:27:17,855 right. 393 00:27:17,915 --> 00:27:21,875 Which, um, is something that is very valuable. 394 00:27:21,875 --> 00:27:26,315 And when you talk about the future and, and career portfolios, the ability 395 00:27:26,315 --> 00:27:33,065 to, to go back and see that if you're moving on to a different, different, 396 00:27:33,125 --> 00:27:41,375 um, position or if you're moving into the BSN program or the MSN program later 397 00:27:41,375 --> 00:27:47,135 on, that having that ability to not only have your portfolio while you're in. 398 00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:54,000 School, but have your portfolio, um, as an alum too is is an 399 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,290 excellent, um, opportunity that we have through Digication. 400 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,960 So thank you for that. 401 00:28:01,439 --> 00:28:03,179 Oh yeah, absolutely. 402 00:28:03,179 --> 00:28:10,080 And you know, when we created this technology, um, myself and um, co-founder 403 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,659 Jeffrey Yan, it, we always had this knowledge that it's important for the 404 00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:21,090 students to be able to have all of that evidence of what they did while 405 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:24,960 they were a student is something that they can continue to hold onto and that 406 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,260 they can continue to go back in and. 407 00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:31,800 Refine and share as they need to. 408 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,060 And I know you mentioned within nursing that there's, you know, some requirements 409 00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:41,250 in continuing your professional development and having a space where you 410 00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:46,810 can keep adding evidence of what you've done and reflections on those experiences 411 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,570 so that when you are up for those kinds of renewals or recertifications mm-hmm. 412 00:28:51,659 --> 00:28:57,540 that it's material that you can all, um, get back to and, and. 413 00:28:57,865 --> 00:29:03,265 , you know, download if you need to or share publicly if that's appropriate. 414 00:29:03,265 --> 00:29:08,425 And, um, so we've really paid a lot of attention into trying to make, um, 415 00:29:08,515 --> 00:29:12,175 something that will be valuable for students after graduation as well. 416 00:29:12,385 --> 00:29:12,805 Mm-hmm. 417 00:29:14,625 --> 00:29:14,845 ? Yep. 418 00:29:16,065 --> 00:29:18,255 So thank you very much, Lily. 419 00:29:18,255 --> 00:29:21,315 It was wonderful to connect with you today. 420 00:29:21,315 --> 00:29:26,115 I really appreciate this time for us to kind of go down memory lane a little 421 00:29:26,115 --> 00:29:32,235 bit and also celebrate what you've done and brainstorm some new ideas too. 422 00:29:32,595 --> 00:29:36,555 Uh, I can't wait to see where some of these new plans of yours go, 423 00:29:36,615 --> 00:29:40,515 and we'll have to connect again in the not too distant future 424 00:29:40,515 --> 00:29:42,015 and see how things are evolving. 425 00:29:42,735 --> 00:29:43,875 That sounds wonderful. 426 00:29:44,115 --> 00:29:44,505 All right. 427 00:29:44,505 --> 00:29:45,495 Thank you, Kelly. 428 00:29:45,495 --> 00:29:46,215 Thank you. 429 00:29:46,905 --> 00:29:47,775 Thank you. 430 00:29:47,775 --> 00:29:48,735 Take good care. 431 00:29:50,565 --> 00:29:52,695 This concludes our conversation. 432 00:29:52,935 --> 00:29:57,315 To hear our next episode, be sure to subscribe to Digication Scholars 433 00:29:57,315 --> 00:30:02,495 Conversations on YouTube, iTunes, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. 434 00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:08,160 The Digication Scholars Conversation Series is brought to you by Digication, 435 00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:12,470 a technology platform powering the most innovative e-portfolio 436 00:30:12,475 --> 00:30:15,470 programs in K12 and higher education. 437 00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:19,520 Our website can be found at digication.com. 438 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,910 If you enjoyed today's conversation, please like, 439 00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:25,070 subscribe, and share with a friend. 440 00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:26,660 Thanks for tuning in.