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Welcome to the We Are More podcast. My name is Alyssa.

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And my name's Bri. We're two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism.

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We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His

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Word. And apparently that's controversial.

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Get comfy.

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Hello!

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Hello!

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Welcome to our very first ever special edition.

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Special edition! Read all about it!

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I feel like the newsies. Should I break out into song?

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Please, please do. As is our tradition.

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Do you know any songs from the newsies?

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Yeah, I do! But I'll keep them to myself.

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Till later.

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Till later. I'll probably listen to it in the car later.

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So we have decided to do something a little bit different. We wanted to start recording

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weekly.

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You're welcome.

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But based on our work schedules, it's kind of hard to do a full episode every single

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week.

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Because believe it or not, this is not our full time job.

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Yeah, though we do seem very professional.

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I think my full time job is just surviving.

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That sounds right.

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So right now we're posting every other week. So you guys heard episode 7 last week, and

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then episode 8 will be coming up next week. And on the in between weeks, we've decided

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to do something a little bit different, a little shorter. Yeah. And do like a half hour

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episode if we can shut ourselves up.

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Let's not give a time limit.

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Oh, who knows what it'll be.

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In theory.

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We're just gonna talk as long as we want.

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And then eventually we'll shut up.

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But we do have to go to mom's for dinner. So...

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Hi, mom.

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And dad.

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And dad.

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They share a house.

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They do.

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So, but we're going to try and keep this one to more of like current events, I guess.

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Yeah, just like our thoughts, nothing like super heavy, I would say.

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But we're gonna try and keep it because our other episodes we record a little ahead. So

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you're not necessarily hearing them in real time. But we're gonna try and do these a little

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bit more in real time so that we can talk about things that are happening right now

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in the world.

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And right now in the world.

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Transition. Has anybody heard of Harrison Butker?

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I think perhaps they have at this point.

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I don't know if it's like as, you know, how your TikTok algorithm is specific to you.

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But it's like, is everybody else hearing about this as much as I am? But I think they are.

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I think they are. It's everywhere right now. And to be fair, it's doing the same thing

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to me. All of my news articles are about this on Facebook. But it's because I click on them.

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Right. Right. It's like the shoes.

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Yeah. Oh, I finally caved in about the shoes, everybody.

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Here's the thing. Did you talk about that in episode seven or eight? Because otherwise

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you'll be confused.

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I've been trying to buy these shoes for months.

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I think it's been like a week and a half.

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I've been like, I won't buy them. I won't buy them. I won't buy them. I don't need them.

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I bought them.

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Sounds like your process for everything.

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And I say that like it's not my process.

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If you advertise something to me enough, eventually I'll buy it.

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Good. That's a great message. The little AI box are already listening.

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Yeah. They're like, that's probably why you get so many spam calls. They're like, well,

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if we call her enough, eventually she'll give us her social security number.

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All right. And Bri's social security number is...

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Anyway, back on topic.

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On topic.

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The Kansas City Chiefs.

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Yes. Because we are now a football channel.

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We are athletes ourselves.

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Oh, so much.

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Honestly, I could be the kicker.

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I think you should.

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I should.

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I think it would go really well for you.

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I did get an A in my Frisbee class.

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Yes. But what did you get a C in, Brianna?

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A C minus in, Alyssa? Was badminton.

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You can barely say badminton.

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Badminton. Badminton, badminton, badminton.

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Still badminton.

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No. I was an art major.

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Anyway, this is going to be a spazzy one. We're only four minutes in though. We usually

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are spazzy until like minute 10.

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Yeah, we can cut some of this out.

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Well, but why though? We won't.

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No, this is a short, snappy episode.

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So if you haven't heard what happened, is he the kicker for the Chiefs? Is that what

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He is the kicker.

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So he is the Chiefs gave a commencement speech at a Catholic college, correct?

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Benedictine, I think is how you say it.

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And you've watched the whole speech. I've watched snippets of it and read a lot of stuff

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about it, but you watched the whole speech.

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I listened to it while I was in the shower.

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That's strange.

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That's when I had time.

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So kind of elaborate on, since you listened to the whole thing.

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Now I did listen to it a while ago, so I'm going to have to reach back into the cobwebs

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of my brain to remember it all.

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But I encourage everybody to go and watch it. It's like 20 something minutes of your

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time that you'll never get back.

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Essentially he insults everybody he possibly can in the name of God.

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Don't you love that?

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But one of the key takeaways is the way that he speaks to women.

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So one of the lines from his speech is like, now I know all of you women here are excited

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about graduating and all the accomplishments that you'll have in your life and all the

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promotions that you'll get.

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But I think the biggest promotion or your biggest...

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I bet you're all most excited for your greatest role, which is wife and mother.

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According to a room full of women who have just received the exact same degree as a room

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full of men.

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Yep. And statistically with higher grades.

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I believe he also said something about if you think that your higher calling is a career

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or something you've been lied to.

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So the quote that I think is the biggest summary of what he says, because it's all garbage,

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but he says, I think it is you the women who have had the most diabolical lies told to

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you.

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Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess

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that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will

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bring into this world.

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I want to point out that he also talks about a lot of other things in this speech.

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He insults everyone.

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He goes on to talk about his wife and how she had dreams of her own.

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But because her higher calling is to be a wife and mother, she did not get to achieve

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those dreams.

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And if you asked her, she would laugh in your face and say, ha ha ha.

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No, this is good.

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This is all I ever wanted.

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Which okay, let me just point out.

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If that is the path that you want to walk down, there's nothing wrong with that.

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There's nothing wrong with it.

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Like your dreams can change.

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If you originally planned to have some big career and then you had kids and you realized

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that you wanted to be a stay at home mom and take care of them, that's fine.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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The issue is turning around and telling every other woman on the planet, because this worked

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for me, because this is what I decided that I wanted, now it has to be what you want.

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Not just because I say so, but because God says so.

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I think what's so frustrating too is this is the message all the time to women is, well,

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your highest calling is to be a wife and mother.

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So because of that, when you get married, your dreams mean nothing.

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Put your dreams aside, raise up your husband's dreams, support him fully, support your kids,

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and you just, you mean less.

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Well everybody else in that scenario gets to chase after their dreams.

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The husband gets to do whatever it is that he wants to do.

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And you just have to sit there and say, go ahead sweetie, I've got things at home.

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Don't worry about it.

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You do whatever feels fulfilling to you and I'll sit over here.

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It's just, again for me, makes marriage not sound very fulfilling.

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I mean really, I can't blame you in that because if that is really what Christian marriage

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is, I mean I feel like we harp on this a lot.

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But if that's really what Christian marriage is, forget it.

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I want nothing to do with that either.

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It's not a good time.

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I mean I can't say that for sure.

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I've never experienced it, but it doesn't sound like a great time.

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So we'll talk about a few of the responses from some of the football players because

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quite a few people have now responded to this speech because it was well publicized and

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very controversial.

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I want to first, so... butker.

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First I want to make fun of his name.

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It's not a great name guys.

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Butker.

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So he has now responded.

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It took him a good bit to respond, but this is one of the things that he said.

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As to be expected, the more I've talked about what I value most, which is my Catholic faith,

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the more polarizing I've become.

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That's a decision I've consciously made and one I do not regret at all.

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Now I was thinking about this.

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So it's Sunday, we were in church this morning and I was thinking about this in church.

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I want to respond to that and say, because I believe he goes on to say, and I do what

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I do to make Jesus proud of me, not to make the world proud of me.

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And I want to sit here and say, well, Jesus isn't proud of you.

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And there's, you know, I don't want to put words in God's mouth.

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But at the same time, so in church today, the pastor was talking about having the power

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and authority of Christ.

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And that Jesus gives you those things to go against what's in the world that God doesn't

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want to be there.

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And I sincerely believe that this, this speech, this attitude, this whole male domination

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and stupidness is not what God wants in the world.

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So God has given us as Christians the power and authority to speak against that.

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So I'm going to say with the power and authority of God, that he's full of crap.

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I think too, the Bible says the greatest commandment is to love one another and show God's love.

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God is not showing God's love in no small way.

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You're belittling over 50% of his creation and lying to the other 50%.

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Well, I guess lying to everybody, but it's polarizing and rude.

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And I think it, they say all publicity is good publicity or whatever, but this is not

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good publicity for your faith or for God.

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That's just another reason why people don't want to be Christians because they see us

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as the traditional 1950s, like patriarchal society and the rest of the world is moving.

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They're growing.

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They're learning that we should respect everybody.

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We're stuck in the past.

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Well, and yeah, if you were not someone of faith, if you were someone that had intentionally

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left the church and you hear this speech, the first thing I, in my opinion, that would

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come to my mind would be, well, that's exactly why I'm not there anymore.

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That's exactly why I don't follow God anymore or why I will never follow God.

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Because if that's what you think of God, run away.

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I mean, that sounds terrible.

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And also I want to point out, maybe this is a little not on topic, but think of all the

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historical women out there who have made incredible contributions to society.

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We were just talking about Marie Curie and Barbara Streisand.

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There are countless women through history telling them that, yeah, what you did is fine,

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but that's not your greatest calling.

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That's insulting.

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And let's again, and like I said, we've made this point before, but the women of the Bible,

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you don't hear, no one in the Bible is saying women, your greatest calling is to be a wife

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and mother.

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Well, what about women who can't be mothers?

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Are you telling them that they have no great calling?

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I mean, he is, yes.

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He absolutely is saying that.

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Not only if you don't, if you physically can't have kids, but like what if you don't want

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to too?

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Well, then you, according to him, you're doing something wrong.

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You are not fulfilling God's calling on your life.

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And that's the issue here is like, I mean, again, you get to have the opinions that you

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want to have.

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I'm not going to approve of them, but you stick God's name in it and it becomes something

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really terrible.

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And I think you can, I mean, you see that throughout history, right?

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Like anytime you have religious authorities ruling a country, things like that, and they'll

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stick God's name on what they want to have happen.

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Like well, I want you to do this.

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So I'm going to say God told me I am ordained.

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And it becomes extremely manipulative because you call someone's eternity into question.

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You call someone's relationship with their creator into question.

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Like if I don't believe that my greatest calling is to be a wife and mother, then I'm going

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against God and the natural order of things and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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We would argue to say you are more.

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And again, like if you want to be a wife and mother, and that is all you've ever wanted

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to be, all the more power to you.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Follow your bliss.

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Yeah.

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But saying all women's greatest callings by God is to be a wife and mother, that's, it's

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just not true.

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Right.

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And so we have a really wonderful cousin and she gave a speech.

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We do have a lot of great cousins.

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We have a really, we have a my big fat Greek wedding style family and we're all super close,

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but one of our cousins, she is an incredible speaker and she's, I believe she gave this

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speech last weekend and she had us read over it.

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And one of the points that she made that I thought was so impactful was that even if

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you decide to be a stay at home mom and that is what you want out of life, your greatest

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calling still is not to be a wife and mother, it is to share God's love with the world,

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to go and make disciples of the world.

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That is your greatest calling.

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That's everybody's greatest calling.

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Exactly.

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Not that your spouse and children are not important if you choose to have a spouse and

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child, but that even within that, they are not your greatest calling.

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God called you to more.

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And you can see that throughout the Bible as God calls his apostles to go take his word

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further as Deborah spreads God's love and God's, well, I don't know that she spread

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God love.

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She spread it.

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She spread it.

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She spread it.

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Deborah didn't.

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I don't know if love is what I would describe Deborah's.

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She spread the rage.

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I mean, yeah, a little bit.

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But like, and Phoebe and, you know, all of these women of the Bible, that was their greatest

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calling.

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Some of them were wives and mothers also, also a large calling for them from God, but

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not their greatest calling.

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Who was Anna?

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Anna, Anna, it might've been Anna who was widowed and then just spent her days in the

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church.

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Yeah.

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That was her whole calling is to live in the church.

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She spent her life dedicated to Christ.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Speaking of spending your life dedicated to Christ, the Benedictine monks, not monks,

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I'm sorry, nuns, thank you.

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They have made a statement about this.

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I love a nun.

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Okay, so they have kind of denounced his speech, which I think is funny because this was a

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Benedictine college.

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Yeah.

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So the nuns are pissed at him.

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Saying pissed does not mean I have to mark this as explicit.

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Piss, piss, piss.

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There's like a little button when I post like, is this explicit?

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And the one time we said boobs like 12 times, I was like, maybe?

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I don't think boobs is explicit.

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Anyway, this might be.

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So they said, instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his

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comments seem to have fostered division.

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That's good, nuns.

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Nice work.

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So they were not happy because, and I believe they, I'm gonna try and find it, they go on

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to say that they, as a group, do not have a calling as wives and mothers.

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Yeah.

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They have dedicated their lives to God.

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And are you really going to walk into a group of nuns and tell them you're doing something

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wrong in God's eyes here as you've dedicated your entire life to God?

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They're either going to beat you up or they're going to sing to you.

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There's no in between.

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I think we've watched them too many times.

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We've got to remember that.

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We'll save it as that.

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So the nuns are pissed.

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But I want to talk about what you said about Travis Kelsey's response.

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So Travi, if you don't know him, Taylor Swift's boy.

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That feels reductive.

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Also is on the Kansas City Chiefs and he responded to Harrison's speech.

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Speech.

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Whatever.

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Garbage.

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Also, Harrison quoted Taylor Swift in his speech.

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Yes.

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Taylor Swift, who's brought so much money and fame to the Kansas City Chiefs and you're

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telling her that her grade is going.

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If you could just give up everything you're doing right now, Taylor, and go be a wife

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and mom, give up all of your dreams and let him have his dreams, I think that would be

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good.

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I know that you're probably excited doing what you're doing, but.

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But that's not what God wanted for you.

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So just quit now.

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That's enough bedazzles.

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And she is such a strong feminist.

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So to use her words in that, I'm a little surprised we haven't heard more from her.

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Or she just doesn't want to give him the time of day.

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That's very possible.

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He has gotten a lot of press out of this.

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And frankly, so this is a slight side note as we get to 23 minutes.

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I think all of this was very planned out on his part because you look at his quote from

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Taylor Swift, like why would you do that?

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What a choice.

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This girl goes to all of your games.

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Is that really the enemy you want to make?

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He in my mind wanted as much press as humanly possible because Travis Kelsey has gotten

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all of the attention for the last season.

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I mean, for goodness sake, in my house, we've actually turned on a football game or two

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because my daughter wants to see Taylor Swift at the football game.

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Your nine year old daughter is like, let's turn on football.

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And every time she hears Travis Kelsey mentioned, it's like, Taylor Swift, why?

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For Halloween, she wants to dress up as Taylor Swift and she wants her two year old brother

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to dress up as Travis Kelsey.

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I'm not even kidding.

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But he's gotten all the attention this season, right?

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From people that don't watch football at all.

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I mean, I know the names of these people.

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I know.

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Who am I?

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I know.

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What on earth?

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I might know this is totally a theory, totally in Alyssa's own head.

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But my thought is that he did this intentionally.

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The man's 27 years old, okay?

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He's a baby.

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He's a baby.

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His brain hasn't even fully developed.

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He does not.

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He's a baby.

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He doesn't know what he's talking about in this realm.

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It's not like he's sitting there researching this.

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He didn't go to seminary.

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Don't give me this crap.

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He could go to the Catholic college.

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He could.

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I don't know.

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I'm not talking about Christian college.

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I'm talking about seminary, where you study the Bible.

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And I think he brought Taylor Swift into it.

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He brought all of these things into it, knowing full well that he's not going to get fired

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because the NFL has a track record of backing people, whether they're abusive or not, whether

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they're saying garbage or not.

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Because it's all about the game.

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Right.

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I mean, the NFL has done this countless times.

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So he knows he's not going to get fired, but he also knows he's going to get all kinds

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of attention for this.

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So that's my theory.

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Little offshoot there.

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Yeah.

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But circling back.

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Circling back.

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Travis essentially said, I don't really agree with him, but he can have the opinions he

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wants to have.

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And he's a really nice guy.

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I'm sure.

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To you.

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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Because you're a man.

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So I had said, I think a while back, I want to change it up because sexism gets a lot

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of excuses.

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Well, it's just his beliefs and I don't want to disregard what he believes and blah, blah,

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blah.

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You can think what you want to think and I can think what I want to think.

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Exactly.

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But let's put this in a different context for a minute.

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Now he put down a lot of other groups, but let's change this particular statement where

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he talks about women and pretend it's instead of sexist, racist.

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Let's say he's speaking to people of a different race.

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And he says, essentially, stay where I've put you.

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Follow the rules that I say you should follow.

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Your highest calling is what I tell you it is and no higher.

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Don't dream bigger than this.

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And I'm saying this because I believe God wants that for you too.

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This is on behalf of the creator.

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You as someone of a different race than me needs to stay under my authority, under my

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thumb, do as I tell you, your highest calling is what I tell you it is because God said

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so.

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And then someone's like, well, you're allowed to have your opinions.

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If he had done that, that wouldn't be the conversation.

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No, it would be all over the news.

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He is a racist.

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He is awful.

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If you kick him off of the NFL, no one can ever speak his name again.

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Throw him in the trash.

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But because it's against women, we make all kinds of excuses for it.

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Well, it's just his religion.

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It's just his faith.

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And I can't tell someone what to believe.

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We need diversity.

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We do need diversity, but we don't need diversity that puts down other people.

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That's not the kind of diversity we need.

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We need diversity of people, different races, different genders, different all kinds of things.

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It really upsets me that the response to this has been, well, you know, it's his faith.

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It's his religion.

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He's a, I promise he's a really good guy.

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This doesn't sound like a good guy to me.

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And the thing is, if someone is kind to you, is nice to you, that doesn't mean that behind

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closed doors they are that way.

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Because to me, this speech says, I keep my wife under my thumb.

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She does what I tell her to do.

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She follows me wherever I want to go because I have big dreams.

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And look at me go.

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Right.

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I'm barely even gonna say her name because she's not important in this conversation.

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The only reason he brought her up at all was to tell women where they should go.

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Well, because it seems to add some credibility.

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If you can say, well, there is actually a woman that loves this.

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Now it'd be a totally different story if she got up there.

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I wouldn't agree with her either.

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But if she got up there and was like, yes, your greatest calling is to be a wife and

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mother, I know this because that's my life.

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But instead, he's telling all of the women where they should go, what they should do,

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what they should dream about.

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Well, and let's pull it completely out of women versus men kind of thing and just say,

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nowhere in the Bible does God tell us as Christ followers to tell other Christ followers what

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he's telling them to do.

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Right.

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Because I am not your intermediary.

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You can talk to God and figure out what God wants from you.

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And you should think if you think that I am a good Christian, you should assume that I

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can also talk to God and figure out what he wants me to do.

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Not that you need to tell me what God, like that's, that's just clunky.

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I also think, I don't know if this is a fully formed thought or not, but in a church service

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one time they were talking about if you really believe that something like another Christ

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follower is doing is wrong, you're not just supposed to walk up to them and say what you're

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doing is wrong in the name of God.

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You're supposed to create a bond and a relationship with that person.

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And then when God tells you that it's right, then you might be able to gently bring it

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up to that person.

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But you're not just supposed to walk up to them, slap them in the face and say, see you

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by what you're doing is wrong.

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Or get up on a stage and tell a whole bunch of people that you think what they're doing

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is wrong.

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Because that is not spreading the love of Jesus.

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Well that's simply spreading judgment.

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Divide.

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Right.

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Well, exactly what the nuns said.

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It's creating division.

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Because now the response from the Christian community has been interesting because you

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have the people that are like, oh yeah, he's championing traditional whatever, you know,

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a traditional livelihood.

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And then you have the people like us sitting here saying, no, he's being super sexist and

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terrible and we have no support for anything that he's saying.

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And so now you've got division in the church.

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Not division that wasn't there at all, but you're simply highlighting it is what's happening.

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You're taking something that could have been a discussion between friends and turning it

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into a fight.

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Right.

488
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,880
And yeah, to some degree on this podcast, like we're starting a little bit of a fight.

489
00:28:52,880 --> 00:29:01,040
But we're doing it, I hope, in such a way that's opening up conversations in families,

490
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,640
for women, in churches, wherever we happen to reach you.

491
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,360
I hope that it can start a conversation.

492
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,520
And I hope that we're providing some of the resources to in a very educated way start

493
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,800
that conversation.

494
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,040
You're slightly more educated than me.

495
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,040
I don't think so.

496
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,040
You're right, I'm brilliant.

497
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,840
But we're both learning as we go.

498
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,240
And I think we said that in the first episode.

499
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,600
We are learning all of this with you.

500
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:36,880
And the reason that we do it is because things like this have started a fire in us.

501
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:43,800
All week, Brianna has been talking about like, we need to talk about Harrison Becker.

502
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,560
So finally here we are after church recording about it.

503
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,600
But I think that's why we're here.

504
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:56,880
That's why we're doing this, because this all has made us super passionate about something.

505
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:04,520
And I believe that today, right now, sharing this with all of you and talking about this

506
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,360
with all of you is my greatest calling.

507
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,560
Because I think that God has asked this of me.

508
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:21,640
God has asked me to stop sexism from being a part of the churches that we're in.

509
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,040
And I don't think I can do that 100%.

510
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,800
I don't think Bri can do that 100%.

511
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,260
I can.

512
00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:32,940
We do this together because we hope that it can affect just a couple of people.

513
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:37,800
Like the song that we sang in church today, Who Am I To Deny What The Lord Can Do?

514
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,240
Because what was the other song that we sang?

515
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000
I can see that it was very impactful to you.

516
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
It was good!

517
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:51,200
They were all good.

518
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:57,760
So next week, because now we only have a week between episodes, hopefully we can stick with

519
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,920
this and make sure that we get some mini episodes up for you guys.

520
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,780
So next week is going to be part two of our submission series.

521
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:06,780
The biggest.

522
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:07,780
The big-est.

523
00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:10,840
I was like when you were like, dot dot dot, it's submission.

524
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,920
I just wanted to be clear.

525
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,600
Before people thought we were cussing online.

526
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,880
So you will hear about another article.

527
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,240
So the last week we talked about a lot of the main points that get made to say that

528
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,640
submission was before the fall, so before sin entered the world and that it was God's

529
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,920
perfect plan for humanity.

530
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,040
And I hope you listened to that one.

531
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,160
If you didn't, definitely bounce back and listen to it.

532
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,320
It was great.

533
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,320
We had a lot of fun.

534
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,320
We had a lot of rage.

535
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,320
We had a lot of rage.

536
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,320
We need to work on that.

537
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,320
It's fine.

538
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,320
It's female rage.

539
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,320
The musical.

540
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,320
Right!

541
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,320
We're going to have to stop saying that once she copyrights it.

542
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,880
I feel like that is definitely, if you've ever driven in a car with me, that is female

543
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,880
rage the musical.

544
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Because not only am I raging, but also the music's on.

545
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000
And sometimes it's Taylor Swift.

546
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000
Yeah.

547
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,480
A lot of the times.

548
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,520
So next week we're going to talk about another article and she goes into the passage in Ephesians

549
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,680
that talks about submission.

550
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,400
And she breaks it down and talks about... she doesn't sing.

551
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,400
She breaks it down.

552
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,040
No, she doesn't.

553
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,720
And talks about what it really means.

554
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,440
She breaks the Greek words out and things like that.

555
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,320
So we'll talk through that.

556
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,320
And that one's also really fun.

557
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,800
I'm super excited for that one.

558
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Shout out to all the really educated, wonderful women out there who are...

559
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000
I think they're making waves in this space.

560
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Yeah.

561
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000
And maybe that's us too.

562
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Good for us.

563
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Yeah, yes.

564
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,200
So definitely tune in next week.

565
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,920
If you haven't, follow us on our social media.

566
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:53,400
We're on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, all the places.

567
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,560
I think Bree has been filming some TikToks as I've been doing this, but I'm not sure.

568
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,560
I did.

569
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Okay, good.

570
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,560
I have a pretty nice picture of myself.

571
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,560
I look good today.

572
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,560
Okay, guys.

573
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:30,920
We'll see you next week.