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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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What the fuck?

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Hang on.

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I swear to God I'm coming.

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I'll be right there.

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some reason everything they want to share

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properly all right hello there everybody

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and welcome to the united states

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department of nerves where we are for the

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people by the people and of the people

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today we are spotlighting a creator who

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isn't just launching a comic he is

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building a universe rooted in

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representation culture and identity nathan

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rouse also known as mr unchained unlimited

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is the creator behind jupiter man

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in the expanded Idolverse,

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a world designed to ensure every reader

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can see themselves as the hero.

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This is a conversation about legacy,

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inclusivity,

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and building something that matters.

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The Council of Nerds is now in session.

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Nathan, welcome to the Council.

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What's good?

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I appreciate you so much for having me.

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This is about to be a good one.

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This is going to be a good one.

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I've been excited about this since you

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emailed me and you were very direct.

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You were very upfront.

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You provided the comics,

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which was amazing.

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And I was like, dude,

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he made it so easy for me.

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And there is nothing better in life than

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somebody making it easier for you to a

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schedule with them.

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read the material and put together a great

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interview to talk about your work, man.

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Man, thank you for making it easy.

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I was supposed to be on another podcast

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a couple of days ago called Comics for

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All and that that filled through.

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And then, you know,

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you came through with the save and that

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was you know, that was an amazing thing.

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And I'm so glad that you read it

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and loved it.

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I've gotten a lot of good feedback on

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the book so far.

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And, you know,

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you saying that you loved it just

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amplifies that.

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It really was.

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And so for those who are discovering you

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for the first time tonight, who is Nathan?

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And did I say your last name correct?

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Rouse.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Perfect.

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Nailed it.

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Well, you know, a small,

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small time kid from Hyattsville, Maryland.

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Yeah.

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know i went to northwestern high school uh

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where i played ball i played ball for

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a while i wasn't in comic books i've

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only been in comic books for two years

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uh i've been writing all my life you

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know poetry loved loved reading movies tv

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shows that's where you know that's where

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my inspiration comes from but i played

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football for a very long time and from

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out of

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Out of Northwestern, you know,

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where I played in high school,

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I went to Bethany College in West Virginia

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and played for a while.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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The whole concept for Jupiter Man came one

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day when it was a summer.

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It was a summer.

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I was on campus and I was watching

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Justice League Unlimited.

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Nice one.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And then I was like, wow,

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what if I mix Native American culture

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with, you know,

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one of my favorite antiheroes or villains,

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Black Adam?

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And then that's where I was like, wow.

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And then from there.

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When I seen Jupiter Man at first,

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my first thought was like,

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this is Native American Black Adam.

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I was like,

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I didn't want to I didn't want to

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like imply it.

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That's why I almost messaged you.

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I was like,

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I kind of want to message him.

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But then I'm like, let's save it.

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Let's save that.

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No, no, no.

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That was that was really awesome.

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No, that was so I was watching.

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So I got it where so I watched

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Justice League Unlimited.

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But right before that,

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I watched Superman and Shazam when they

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took on Black Adam.

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And the black out and handed Superman that

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ass with.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Wow.

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What if I mix the two together and

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come out with some and come out with

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something original?

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And, you know,

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Greek gods are always being used.

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So I was like,

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what if I switched it up a little

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bit?

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And then I went, you know, Roman gods.

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And then it like it grew from there.

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So let me tell you the original.

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So the original plan behind Jupiter, man.

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So the first two episodes,

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that was actually the very next question.

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Roll with it, dude.

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Let's do it.

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Before Juverment was ever even created,

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I created this superhero called Defiance.

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It was about an African-American astronaut

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that ventures off into space,

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and then his soul merges with a star,

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and then he becomes like this silver

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surfer type character.

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Then three thousand years later,

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he goes back to Earth to see that

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everything that he left behind is gone.

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And then it's like he has to protect

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the world.

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Here's that one.

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I sold it.

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I wind up selling that character to some

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French comic book company for a thousand

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dollars.

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That would have been so dope.

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I hope they did something good with it.

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Oh, they changed them.

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They changed this whole everything.

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They changed this backstory.

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You're not going to find Defiance

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anywhere.

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I hate to hear that, but hey,

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glad you got to make a thousand bucks

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off of it.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I tried to do it again.

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So that's where Jupiter Man comes in.

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I created the concept for Jupiter Man,

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the original backstory.

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I was like, oh man,

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let me go and try and sell this

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again.

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I'm a college kid, low on cash.

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Let's see if I can get another thousand

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dollars.

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um so then i meet this comic book

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creator um i'm not gonna say his name

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because you know there's bad blood there

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but um he says i'm gonna help you

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put this character together instead of

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paying you because why sell it to somebody

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that can make millions of dollars off of

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it when you can

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So he helps me put it together.

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But then he starts to do a lot

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of weird things with the backstories.

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He's throwing a lot of different

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characters into it.

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It's not really working out.

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So I'm like,

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I think I'm going to go my own

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way and I'm going to try and do

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it myself because this I've never written

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a script before.

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I didn't know the first thing about,

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you know, comic books or anything.

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Yeah.

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Read a lot of them.

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And, but I've always,

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I've always wrote stuff.

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And then he was, he, he said, oh,

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I'm gonna sue you.

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I'm gonna sue you.

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I was like, okay, have fun with that.

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I'm gonna take my character though and try

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to build this comic book.

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And so day in, day out, I'm,

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I'm studying how to write scripts.

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Uh, like artists have,

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I'm falling out with artists because this

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artist didn't finish the original project

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and I had to find a different artist.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then I wound up finding the artist

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for Jupiter Man that I'm working with

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currently, Jeffrey Slyzantizon.

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He is like the dopest artist that I've

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seen.

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He does all the work on it,

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the pencils, the inks, the colors,

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the letters.

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Man, awesome guy.

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And then we came out with Jupiter Man.

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And it's about a Native American man that

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is manipulated by the government to be a

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superhero.

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the first like the first two episodes that

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you see or really the first episode that

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you see is basically the entire simulation

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it is the oh it is the simulation

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that is embedded in his mind uh you're

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seeing like everything that he believes to

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be real is what you see in this

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episode like gotcha yeah bovias the the

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evil alien that's supposed to be taking

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them taken down uh his backstory is him

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being like this

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This distant tribal man that's been exiled

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from his tribe.

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Everything that you see is something that

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the government is implanting.

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That adds another layer to it,

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and it's so good because I didn't realize

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that.

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Oh, yes.

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Yep.

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And then in the second one,

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in the second episode,

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when you see him talking to the president

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and then you see the general and all

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these other aspects, it's like, wait,

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what's happening?

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I thought we were on this mythical

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journey.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It becomes something completely different

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as you know, as the story.

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So how about his life as the small

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town cop?

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Is that real?

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Okay,

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so there are pieces and sections of it

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that are mythic in nature but are also

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being manipulated.

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So there are certain characters that

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you're going to see that he might come

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into contact with and talk to that have

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also been placed.

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So him as the sheriff,

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obviously we have to make certain things

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look real.

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So we're going to create this town and

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we're going to allow him to be the

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sheriff there.

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Put a couple of things there that he'll

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have to figure out for himself.

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But ultimately...

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it's being manipulated.

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So him as a sheriff is real,

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but it's also not.

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Dude,

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that's just another phenomenally amazing

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layer on top of this story because the

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reader, if you don't know,

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gonna be like oh he's a small town

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sheriff now he's he's like this immortal

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bm because he got these powers from these

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gods so dude no that that's actually

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that's that's pretty slick dude which is

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crazy because um i owe it to my

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brother elijah uh we were talking about it

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for a while and um

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When he when he first read the first

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episode, he was like, I mean,

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this is cool.

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You know,

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I feel like this is something I've read

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before.

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And it's like, I don't know.

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It's like not something that's really

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speaking to me.

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And I and I thought about it a

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lot.

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And this is where we wind up building

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the idol verse, you know.

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This is just going to be a book.

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And then I was like,

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how can I make it more expansive better?

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Because the point of the Outerverse is

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basically to explore everything.

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This is to explore conspiracy theories,

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sci-fi, romance, philosophical nature,

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everything encompassing.

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The question that you ask when you walk

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into the Outerverse is,

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what if everybody is right?

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What if every religion is real?

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What if every thought process is

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connected?

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And so I really wanted to explore that

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in, you know, Judaism's nature, you know,

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because...

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And I have no problem saying this because

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I was talking to my girlfriend about it.

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She was like, don't give too much away.

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And I was like,

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whatever I give away is far less than

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what they're going to see in the book

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because it's like so many things connected

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to it.

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But it's like... So...

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Jooperman, Wahali, he is a spirit walker.

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Government doesn't know is that when they

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mix the MDT,

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the MDT is like a special drug for

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like people in the adverse that basically

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are, you know,

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mutants or they have special abilities.

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Okay.

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Something that's been interceded

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throughout the U.S.

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for a long period of time through

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experimentation and such.

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So he was kidnapped as a child and

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he was injected with MDT.

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But what the government does not know is

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that he's also a spirit walker.

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So his spirit,

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so his natural deviant ability was mixed

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with the MDT drug to create the God

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cell, which is his blood.

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But it's the powers that manifested from

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the connection,

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which is why he has so much strength

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and speed and he can utilize it.

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because he's not only connected to the

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spirit world but there's a sci-fi aspect

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with this blood that's actually created

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from aliens blood that you're going to

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find out within this series so there's a

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lot it's a lot to unpack but dude

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it's phenomenal like

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It's, it has, you know,

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you got the Edsman vibe there,

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but you also have this really cool that

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what could be this fantastic underlying

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sci-fi saga mixed into it.

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And dude, it,

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I'm telling you and everybody else

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listening out there, it,

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the books are phenomenal.

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Like they were such good reads and

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everything that he just said is,

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There's small context clues in it,

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but not enough to give you what he

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just gave you.

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The whole first book,

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you honestly believe that this individual

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was gifted his powers from these Roman

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gods.

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And you believe it.

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It's a hundred percent believable.

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There's some context clues,

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but they're very vague context clues to

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what he just said within book two.

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But like you are not going to decipher

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it just from reading the books unless he

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just told you what he just told you.

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And I'm sure once number three comes out

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and four eventually that what you just

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said will make plenty more sense.

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And I'm here for every single bit of

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it.

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A hundred percent.

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We're working on the third,

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working on the third book now.

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I don't know if I sent you some

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sneak peeks.

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Everybody that, you know,

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checked out the first.

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No, you didn't.

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I didn't get sneak peeks on this one.

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I got, I just got one in two.

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Okay.

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And then you sent me the video too.

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I'm going to send you some sneak peeks

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of the third because we're working with a

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new artist on this one because I wanted

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more of a Saturday morning cartoon feel.

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The first two, Jeff did an amazing job,

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but he's currently working on a first

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episode of another character that I'm

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putting down.

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I wanted a different feel.

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I wanted Jupiter Man to be a little

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bit more bulky and swole for the next

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episode installment.

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It's going to be a good one.

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It's going to be a good one.

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So is the next character also going to

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be a part of this idol verse that

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you're building?

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Yes, a hundred percent.

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All the stories,

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the great thing is all the stories are

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interconnected.

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They're all happening at the same time

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because they're leading to a story.

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Considering actually,

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do you know who Hancock is?

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah, dude.

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I've seen your,

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I've seen the work you were doing on

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it.

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If you're going to follow that sort of

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timeline and that sort of timeline,

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universe, then dude.

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Everything is leading up to that book,

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one for all.

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John Hancock has to save the world by

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building a team of superheroes.

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And the world is in shambles because of

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the battle that Jupiter Man has with Vice.

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So that is going to be crazy.

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Now,

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the moment I've seen the Hancock artwork,

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On your Instagram.

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I was like, dude,

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if he is building up to this,

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then it is going to be amazing because

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I don't think the actual movie of Hancock

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gave the actual story of Hancock justice.

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No, no.

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And what's so crazy is I actually gave

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him a backstory.

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So you're going to get the backstory in

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that book.

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Well,

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they teased the backstory in the movie.

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They did, but I couldn't, I couldn't.

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Right.

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right but i couldn't i actually couldn't

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use that so yeah yeah so the way

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so the way that it works is i

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had to create a character basically based

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on the original movie character that's the

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only way because um i actually had i

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actually wound up getting my version not

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only trademarked but his original story

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copyrighted

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which was a blessing.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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This is IP just out in the wild?

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Or is this IP owned by somebody else?

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I mean, the original IP, the movie,

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is owned by whoever created the movie.

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Yeah, okay, gotcha.

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um i was able to you know recreate

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the suit you know little minor details

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having to do as an insignia yeah and

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switch the story up but i have a

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john hancock in my universe which is

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pretty freaking sweet dude that's gonna be

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sweet dude i knew the moment i seen

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it i was like dude if he's building

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to a universe to that degree where hancock

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is in it because again

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that movie was amazing and I felt like

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there was so much left on the table

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there.

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So for you to be able to pick

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it up and kind of, okay,

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we're gonna start the story here though,

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build to Hancock and then go past it.

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That's what's up, dude.

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I love that, every bit of it.

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I am super excited for it.

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I'm working really hard.

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That book is also in production.

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I'm working on a lot of stuff at

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once.

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And yeah, so actually,

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I actually got a pretty like pencil and

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ink for the one for all story alone.

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I got a pretty good chunk of it

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done and, you know,

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I'm working on it sparingly, but.

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Uh, yeah, but back to Jupiter man, uh,

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super,

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super excited for the third to come out

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because the third is going to include the

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first introduction to nemesis, which is,

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yeah,

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I was always thinking of an interesting

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way to introduce villains without always

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having to go like in depth and backstory

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and, you know,

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having to do this big buildup.

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So I came up with an organization.

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called Nemesis.

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And Nemesis basically commissions villains

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to do different offhand jobs,

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like contractors.

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So I can always have a steady rotation

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of a rogue gallery into the universe.

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So you're going to get the first shot

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at Nemesis in the third episode.

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Nice.

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Which, you're a busy man.

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Obviously,

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this brings us to your nickname, Mr.

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Unchained Unlimited.

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What does that represent creatively for

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you?

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Oh, well, how did this name come about?

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Let me tell you a story about the

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name.

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I was watching Baki one day

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And there was this character that came

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across the screen.

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It was late at night.

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I was watching Baki at like two AM.

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As you should be.

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That's like the perfect thing for two AM.

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For sure.

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And Biscuit Oliver came across the screen

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and he was the baddest guy on the

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screen.

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Like he flicked the dude across the room

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and he picked his big wife on his

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back and carried her across.

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I was like, who is this guy?

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And they called him Mr. Unchained.

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And I was like, that's a cool name.

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That's cool.

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And I was like, man,

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what would my pen name be?

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Because this is before I really started

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writing anything.

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And I was like,

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what if I call myself Mr. Unchained?

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And actually,

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this is before I started writing.

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Because a lot of different football

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players come up with alter egos.

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Brian Dawkins was Weapon X.

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And the list goes on.

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And I was like,

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We got Megatron in there.

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Megatron, yeah.

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That name itself was just cold.

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Right, right.

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Bo Jackson was Jason Voorhees.

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I was like, what is going on?

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I want to come over.

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I think I have that baseball card,

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actually.

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That's funny.

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And I was like,

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what if I went by Mr. Unchained?

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And then when I started writing,

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I added The Unlimited because my

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imagination is ridiculous.

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Like, I can't stop.

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Like,

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I can't walk down the stairs without

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thinking about, hmm, what if each step,

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what if each step guided me into a

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different dimension?

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Like, I'm just,

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my mind is just wired to keep going.

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um i can't watch anything or do anything

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or read anything uh without thinking about

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ten different ways a story can be told

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and i was like unlimited and then i

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put the two together and i was like

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become mr and chain unlimited um the man

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that opens portals the guy that thinks

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without with an unbounded mind so that's

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kind of how i you know came up

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with the nickname

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Oh, dude, I like it.

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And everything you're saying with what

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you're doing in your comic book verse,

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it all comes together and it all makes

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sense.

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where and how you're doing everything.

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Dude,

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the moment I seen Hancock on your

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Instagram, I was just like, all right,

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dude, I'm invested now.

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I'm invested.

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I'm a partner.

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Let's do it.

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I appreciate that.

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I'm trying to do different things.

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You know, there's this,

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there's the age of, you know,

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AI and things that we're in.

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Yeah.

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um they're man we get a lot me

00:21:28.308 --> 00:21:30.769
and my brother get a lot of uh

00:21:30.788 --> 00:21:31.630
i would say we get a lot of

00:21:31.690 --> 00:21:34.089
backlash you know now i'm not going to

00:21:34.109 --> 00:21:35.851
say hate and i don't think there's any

00:21:35.891 --> 00:21:37.371
reason to you know for us to be

00:21:37.411 --> 00:21:39.471
hated or you know people to be jealous

00:21:39.511 --> 00:21:41.852
of us but we're we're we're in we're

00:21:41.872 --> 00:21:43.553
in an age right now where you know

00:21:43.573 --> 00:21:44.893
a lot of things are popping up a

00:21:44.932 --> 00:21:46.753
lot of fear you know is being had

00:21:46.794 --> 00:21:47.314
and for me

00:21:47.574 --> 00:21:48.594
Me and my brother are just trying to

00:21:48.614 --> 00:21:50.634
figure out a way to build what we

00:21:50.674 --> 00:21:52.615
have going on with the limited resources

00:21:52.635 --> 00:21:54.556
that we have and grow as much as

00:21:54.615 --> 00:21:55.096
we can.

00:21:56.916 --> 00:21:58.017
I help a lot of people out when

00:21:58.037 --> 00:21:58.817
it comes to writing,

00:21:58.857 --> 00:22:00.597
when it comes to creating,

00:22:00.798 --> 00:22:02.078
putting their stories together.

00:22:02.118 --> 00:22:03.058
And I just want to be able to

00:22:03.098 --> 00:22:05.339
do that in peace, but also elevate.

00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.560
I can't pay a thousand dollars a second

00:22:08.580 --> 00:22:09.280
for animation.

00:22:11.041 --> 00:22:12.804
But what I can do is teach myself

00:22:12.844 --> 00:22:14.404
how different people are doing it with

00:22:14.484 --> 00:22:16.186
Sora or whatnot and put like a cool

00:22:16.227 --> 00:22:17.387
trailer together, you know,

00:22:17.728 --> 00:22:19.368
to put an idea out there, you know,

00:22:19.409 --> 00:22:20.009
for people.

00:22:20.029 --> 00:22:22.451
And this is where I don't have a

00:22:22.511 --> 00:22:24.733
problem with AI because it's,

00:22:24.773 --> 00:22:26.134
you're taking your product.

00:22:26.154 --> 00:22:26.895
Right.

00:22:26.935 --> 00:22:31.339
You're putting it into an AI to generate

00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.741
something for your product.

00:22:34.001 --> 00:22:34.261
Right.

00:22:35.083 --> 00:22:36.364
It's not like you're stealing somebody

00:22:36.423 --> 00:22:38.506
else's and sticking it in the machine to

00:22:39.145 --> 00:22:40.507
teach it to do your product.

00:22:40.527 --> 00:22:41.488
You're not doing that.

00:22:42.429 --> 00:22:43.670
It's like a lot of our logos and

00:22:43.710 --> 00:22:43.990
stuff.

00:22:44.029 --> 00:22:46.832
We took our original logo and we just

00:22:46.872 --> 00:22:48.292
tell the AI, like, hey,

00:22:49.294 --> 00:22:50.454
give it the Christmas theme.

00:22:50.974 --> 00:22:52.115
Right.

00:22:52.336 --> 00:22:53.176
And that's what it does.

00:22:53.537 --> 00:22:53.737
Yeah.

00:22:54.157 --> 00:22:54.458
Yeah.

00:22:54.498 --> 00:22:55.038
So, I mean,

00:22:55.258 --> 00:22:57.539
I'm not doing anything with it.

00:22:57.680 --> 00:22:58.101
It's just...

00:22:59.172 --> 00:23:01.513
I'm taking what I already own and giving

00:23:01.554 --> 00:23:03.576
it a new twist.

00:23:03.836 --> 00:23:08.480
I personally think it gives us a certain

00:23:08.500 --> 00:23:09.280
professional look.

00:23:11.823 --> 00:23:14.685
To the offhand person that views our

00:23:14.746 --> 00:23:15.787
stuff, they're like, man,

00:23:15.846 --> 00:23:17.067
how are you guys doing?

00:23:17.087 --> 00:23:18.828
But you're not doing it to your comic

00:23:18.868 --> 00:23:19.170
book.

00:23:19.390 --> 00:23:20.351
You know what I'm saying?

00:23:20.971 --> 00:23:21.892
You have an artist.

00:23:21.932 --> 00:23:24.934
You're paying an artist to do your comic

00:23:24.974 --> 00:23:25.214
book.

00:23:27.384 --> 00:23:28.948
The art is your artist's.

00:23:28.988 --> 00:23:31.153
His name is on the cover next to

00:23:31.193 --> 00:23:31.654
yours.

00:23:32.115 --> 00:23:34.501
You're using it to create the animations

00:23:34.521 --> 00:23:35.625
to promote your book.

00:23:35.664 --> 00:23:36.626
Exactly.

00:23:36.905 --> 00:23:37.125
There's a,

00:23:37.506 --> 00:23:39.787
there's a clean distinction there that

00:23:39.846 --> 00:23:41.047
needs to be pointed out.

00:23:41.646 --> 00:23:42.086
Yeah.

00:23:42.186 --> 00:23:44.647
And, and, and, and in its entirety,

00:23:45.008 --> 00:23:46.948
I personally don't consider.

00:23:47.587 --> 00:23:48.107
Like there,

00:23:48.127 --> 00:23:49.528
there've been many people that I've come

00:23:49.588 --> 00:23:50.828
up that I've come across, uh,

00:23:50.868 --> 00:23:52.588
come across and talk to about it.

00:23:52.969 --> 00:23:54.170
And there was a guy that I talked

00:23:54.190 --> 00:23:55.690
to, you know, uh, not,

00:23:55.849 --> 00:23:57.069
not even a couple of days ago.

00:23:57.130 --> 00:23:57.809
And he was like, yeah,

00:23:57.849 --> 00:24:00.391
I'm thinking about ways on like creating a

00:24:00.451 --> 00:24:02.330
book using like this AI program.

00:24:02.351 --> 00:24:02.971
And I was like,

00:24:03.570 --> 00:24:05.271
I don't hate on the fact that you're

00:24:05.332 --> 00:24:05.832
doing that.

00:24:05.892 --> 00:24:06.092
Yeah.

00:24:06.795 --> 00:24:10.577
but i can't like i personally could never

00:24:10.817 --> 00:24:12.598
like i don't know i couldn't do that

00:24:12.618 --> 00:24:15.961
because as somebody who is in the process

00:24:16.060 --> 00:24:20.463
of creating a book himself and i have

00:24:20.545 --> 00:24:22.586
my artists already picked out he's a

00:24:22.625 --> 00:24:23.767
friend of mine he's a friend of the

00:24:23.807 --> 00:24:26.729
podcast somebody i have a whole lot of

00:24:26.769 --> 00:24:30.632
respect for right who provides inputs who

00:24:30.672 --> 00:24:32.272
tells me if i did sucks

00:24:33.553 --> 00:24:35.794
you know who shoots me good ideas and

00:24:35.814 --> 00:24:37.354
i'm like oh i like that even better

00:24:38.094 --> 00:24:42.454
and um so i from artistic standpoint and

00:24:42.535 --> 00:24:44.154
what's going to happen within my own

00:24:44.234 --> 00:24:47.736
personal comic book is all human right a

00:24:47.776 --> 00:24:50.217
hundred percent all human and now i know

00:24:50.277 --> 00:24:54.116
people who do actual animation that's like

00:24:54.176 --> 00:24:56.758
their job right which is really weird

00:24:56.798 --> 00:25:00.159
because i met him because he made a

00:25:00.239 --> 00:25:01.999
comic book and he's been on the podcast

00:25:02.078 --> 00:25:02.259
but

00:25:03.145 --> 00:25:05.067
my plan is once i'm to that level

00:25:05.188 --> 00:25:06.789
to where i'm ready to reach out and

00:25:06.829 --> 00:25:09.152
go hey can you animate me a thirty

00:25:09.192 --> 00:25:11.314
second short to promote this with my

00:25:11.354 --> 00:25:14.056
characters you know and i'm like i will

00:25:14.076 --> 00:25:16.659
pay his his team to do it or

00:25:16.699 --> 00:25:18.820
pay him to do it so it's kind

00:25:18.861 --> 00:25:20.803
of wild now that i do know somebody

00:25:20.863 --> 00:25:21.743
so if you want to get in touch

00:25:21.763 --> 00:25:22.944
with him let me know and i'll put

00:25:22.964 --> 00:25:24.145
you in touch with him i don't know

00:25:24.185 --> 00:25:26.307
what how that works for his side of

00:25:26.327 --> 00:25:27.990
the house but

00:25:29.609 --> 00:25:30.990
I do know like because he sent me

00:25:31.030 --> 00:25:32.750
some of his team's work like their

00:25:32.791 --> 00:25:34.112
Christmas animation they did.

00:25:35.551 --> 00:25:37.772
Dude, it was freaking beautiful.

00:25:38.594 --> 00:25:40.013
There's a lot of different people that

00:25:40.074 --> 00:25:40.473
I've seen.

00:25:41.815 --> 00:25:43.375
Some of the people that I've been in

00:25:43.434 --> 00:25:46.316
contact with use spoof animations and

00:25:46.355 --> 00:25:48.977
there's been different animation companies

00:25:48.997 --> 00:25:51.097
that I've talked to and then they'll hit

00:25:51.117 --> 00:25:52.357
me with their quote and I'm like...

00:25:53.778 --> 00:25:56.640
I think Lloyd who was on last night

00:25:57.903 --> 00:26:00.285
He he's taught himself to do some

00:26:00.325 --> 00:26:01.125
animation as well.

00:26:01.145 --> 00:26:02.787
OK, that's dope.

00:26:02.826 --> 00:26:04.428
So you might could reach out to him

00:26:04.488 --> 00:26:05.848
and see what he's using and see how

00:26:05.909 --> 00:26:06.848
he does it as well.

00:26:08.190 --> 00:26:10.471
The thing about it is I personally don't

00:26:10.510 --> 00:26:13.373
consider AI to be I don't consider it

00:26:13.393 --> 00:26:14.133
to be art.

00:26:14.794 --> 00:26:15.874
Like I feel art,

00:26:15.913 --> 00:26:17.755
the beauty of art and the talent of

00:26:17.815 --> 00:26:18.536
it is the human.

00:26:18.955 --> 00:26:20.836
It's not only the small,

00:26:20.896 --> 00:26:22.917
like soulful imperfections of it,

00:26:23.398 --> 00:26:25.700
but it's also the steady hand.

00:26:25.900 --> 00:26:27.080
Oh, what is going on here?

00:26:27.520 --> 00:26:29.624
It's also the steady hand that it takes

00:26:29.864 --> 00:26:32.027
like years to master and learn.

00:26:32.587 --> 00:26:33.048
I like,

00:26:33.148 --> 00:26:35.231
I could never think that something that,

00:26:35.332 --> 00:26:35.692
you know,

00:26:36.012 --> 00:26:37.654
that can generate something in a few

00:26:37.694 --> 00:26:38.076
seconds.

00:26:38.236 --> 00:26:39.897
I could never consider it art personally

00:26:40.137 --> 00:26:41.961
to me.

00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:42.942
I could never do that.

00:26:43.363 --> 00:26:43.843
But, um,

00:26:44.544 --> 00:26:45.944
as far as like as far as the

00:26:45.984 --> 00:26:48.326
promotion and especially with jupiter man

00:26:48.385 --> 00:26:50.465
i've been able to make some i've been

00:26:50.526 --> 00:26:53.748
able to make trailers uh we he has

00:26:53.768 --> 00:26:55.867
a theme song now the theme song that

00:26:55.907 --> 00:26:58.950
goes with the books uh you know and

00:26:59.430 --> 00:27:01.049
i i feel that there's there is a

00:27:01.089 --> 00:27:03.090
place there there's a place not

00:27:03.151 --> 00:27:06.291
necessarily in the books at all like yeah

00:27:06.352 --> 00:27:09.534
no i i'm a firm believer that ai

00:27:09.574 --> 00:27:11.775
will not touch my book oh yeah at

00:27:11.875 --> 00:27:12.035
all but

00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:15.820
But yeah, from an other perspective,

00:27:15.861 --> 00:27:17.721
if you're using it to create a design

00:27:17.781 --> 00:27:19.603
or a logo, if you're using Canva,

00:27:21.222 --> 00:27:24.605
because Canva has a thing on ChatGPT where

00:27:24.625 --> 00:27:26.746
ChatGPT will help you with certain things

00:27:27.105 --> 00:27:29.987
on Canva, which I've used before.

00:27:30.086 --> 00:27:32.508
And it just helped me clean up some

00:27:32.528 --> 00:27:34.209
products that I was using to make

00:27:34.249 --> 00:27:34.888
thumbnails.

00:27:35.269 --> 00:27:35.489
Right.

00:27:36.169 --> 00:27:36.890
So, I mean...

00:27:37.990 --> 00:27:39.050
i don't have an issue with that kind

00:27:39.070 --> 00:27:40.951
of stuff right because i'm not using it

00:27:40.991 --> 00:27:43.133
to create anything to trying to take jobs

00:27:43.173 --> 00:27:45.814
from people however i don't have a hundred

00:27:45.834 --> 00:27:47.515
bucks to throw at somebody every time i

00:27:47.535 --> 00:27:49.816
want to redesign something right or create

00:27:49.836 --> 00:27:52.337
a thumbnail i definitely use it in our

00:27:52.377 --> 00:27:54.759
process um so when we were originally

00:27:54.798 --> 00:27:56.480
creating some of the characters that went

00:27:56.500 --> 00:27:58.059
into the book i actually wanted to talk

00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.020
to you about um

00:28:00.230 --> 00:28:01.511
have this thing in the idol verse called

00:28:01.551 --> 00:28:03.573
character spotlights which i think is

00:28:03.613 --> 00:28:05.294
really cool so i don't know if you

00:28:05.354 --> 00:28:07.013
read all the way through the second

00:28:07.075 --> 00:28:10.756
episode because cover to cover okay so did

00:28:10.796 --> 00:28:14.778
you read a short call okay yes yeah

00:28:14.897 --> 00:28:16.538
it's something that we do called character

00:28:16.558 --> 00:28:18.839
spotlights in the idol verse where we

00:28:18.900 --> 00:28:21.842
bring you in to the idol verse yeah

00:28:21.882 --> 00:28:23.363
that was one of my favorite things dude

00:28:24.042 --> 00:28:25.663
and i love when books do that

00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.280
Because it reminds me of the old school

00:28:29.320 --> 00:28:31.462
stuff from back in the nineties when they

00:28:31.482 --> 00:28:31.982
would do that.

00:28:32.022 --> 00:28:33.263
You would get to the end of the

00:28:33.304 --> 00:28:35.244
comic book and they'd have like a full

00:28:35.285 --> 00:28:36.865
character breakdown of somebody.

00:28:37.105 --> 00:28:38.886
Their powers, their abilities,

00:28:38.906 --> 00:28:40.127
their height, their weight,

00:28:40.508 --> 00:28:42.388
their love interest, their favorite color,

00:28:42.429 --> 00:28:43.489
their favorite music.

00:28:43.910 --> 00:28:45.250
And all that would just be wrapped up

00:28:45.270 --> 00:28:45.951
with the character.

00:28:46.010 --> 00:28:47.271
And I always thought that was really cool

00:28:47.291 --> 00:28:47.872
that they did that.

00:28:47.892 --> 00:28:49.813
There's something that I saw in the older

00:28:49.833 --> 00:28:52.153
comics that I had, the old Marvel stuff.

00:28:53.114 --> 00:28:54.354
There's also something that I saw on

00:28:54.534 --> 00:28:54.973
TikTok.

00:28:55.013 --> 00:28:57.515
I think it's called Dial H for Hero.

00:28:57.895 --> 00:28:59.056
I didn't get this idea from that,

00:28:59.096 --> 00:29:01.297
but when I found out that Marvel was

00:29:01.376 --> 00:29:01.876
doing it,

00:29:02.277 --> 00:29:04.057
that you could create your own character

00:29:04.097 --> 00:29:05.018
and then send it in,

00:29:05.057 --> 00:29:06.077
and then they might be able to put

00:29:06.117 --> 00:29:06.638
it in the book,

00:29:06.818 --> 00:29:08.439
I didn't know that at the time.

00:29:08.939 --> 00:29:10.480
But when I found that out,

00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:11.319
I was like, okay,

00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:12.421
I'm going to keep doing this.

00:29:12.800 --> 00:29:13.020
But-

00:29:13.881 --> 00:29:16.363
in the character spotlights if you send us

00:29:16.423 --> 00:29:18.065
a picture like of your likeness and

00:29:18.105 --> 00:29:20.626
everything then you can me and then we

00:29:20.646 --> 00:29:22.028
can create a character and see we can

00:29:22.048 --> 00:29:23.729
get into the book that's some of my

00:29:23.808 --> 00:29:25.931
favorite things to see people do too is

00:29:25.951 --> 00:29:28.053
like when they have that level of the

00:29:28.093 --> 00:29:31.734
kickstarter or you know that like hey if

00:29:31.775 --> 00:29:34.738
you you know donate this much we will

00:29:34.778 --> 00:29:36.179
include you in the comic book i'm

00:29:38.749 --> 00:29:39.410
Don't get me wrong.

00:29:39.430 --> 00:29:40.530
I want to support your product,

00:29:40.550 --> 00:29:42.172
but that's usually above my pay grade on

00:29:42.192 --> 00:29:42.392
that one.

00:29:42.451 --> 00:29:44.394
However, you know,

00:29:44.493 --> 00:29:46.455
I will kick in like an extra ten

00:29:46.496 --> 00:29:48.277
bucks to get my name in the back

00:29:48.297 --> 00:29:49.417
of the book because I want a way

00:29:49.458 --> 00:29:51.339
to promote the podcast.

00:29:51.380 --> 00:29:54.502
So I will put the USDN chairman in

00:29:54.522 --> 00:29:55.804
the back of the comic book or I

00:29:55.824 --> 00:29:58.626
will put the USDN podcast because when

00:29:58.666 --> 00:30:00.048
people get the book and they're looking at

00:30:00.087 --> 00:30:01.788
the back to try to find their names,

00:30:01.808 --> 00:30:03.651
I want them to see that and go

00:30:03.691 --> 00:30:05.573
like, ooh, what's that?

00:30:06.314 --> 00:30:07.634
And they're going, look, you know.

00:30:08.134 --> 00:30:09.634
Well, if I'm being honest with you,

00:30:09.974 --> 00:30:11.375
a lot of the characters that have been,

00:30:11.415 --> 00:30:13.016
you know, in the book so far,

00:30:13.836 --> 00:30:14.916
especially my friends,

00:30:15.017 --> 00:30:16.557
they haven't had to pay anything.

00:30:16.837 --> 00:30:19.198
And you put me on your podcast.

00:30:19.317 --> 00:30:20.939
So if you want to be a character

00:30:20.979 --> 00:30:22.400
in the Outerverse, you just let me know.

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:25.221
You're a bearded guy, man.

00:30:25.260 --> 00:30:26.060
That's all I need.

00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:27.461
Whatever, whatever.

00:30:28.201 --> 00:30:30.541
You're a great bearded guy, and I'm good,

00:30:30.582 --> 00:30:30.821
man.

00:30:30.842 --> 00:30:32.222
That would be pretty dope.

00:30:33.940 --> 00:30:37.280
But yeah, one of my friends,

00:30:37.401 --> 00:30:42.042
the guy Homestead that you saw in the

00:30:42.083 --> 00:30:42.423
book,

00:30:42.442 --> 00:30:43.982
that is one of my football buddies that

00:30:44.042 --> 00:30:46.824
wanted a Homelander-type character.

00:30:46.844 --> 00:30:48.605
And then you got The Rock in there,

00:30:49.045 --> 00:30:51.726
Braven in it.

00:30:52.046 --> 00:30:53.226
I was surprised when I got to the

00:30:53.326 --> 00:30:54.547
end of it and I seen that.

00:30:54.586 --> 00:30:55.086
And I was like,

00:30:55.126 --> 00:30:57.127
this whole additional story that was in

00:30:57.147 --> 00:30:59.188
the back of the book, I was like,

00:30:59.268 --> 00:30:59.307
oh,

00:30:59.327 --> 00:31:00.388
I love when they do this kind of

00:31:00.409 --> 00:31:00.648
stuff.

00:31:00.689 --> 00:31:01.088
Because...

00:31:02.261 --> 00:31:05.163
um god what's his name give me just

00:31:05.223 --> 00:31:06.963
a second let me because he does uh

00:31:07.023 --> 00:31:14.228
dark pink comics and um oh come on

00:31:14.248 --> 00:31:15.127
you're gonna be slow on me

00:31:19.327 --> 00:31:20.189
Christopher Ford.

00:31:20.449 --> 00:31:21.950
Chris Ford.

00:31:21.990 --> 00:31:24.352
Dark Pink Comics.

00:31:24.833 --> 00:31:27.115
He put out one of the largest quickly

00:31:27.174 --> 00:31:29.836
funded Kickstarters ever.

00:31:30.678 --> 00:31:33.980
I forgot how much money he made in

00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.222
the beginning and people wanting to be in

00:31:36.262 --> 00:31:37.023
the comic book.

00:31:37.044 --> 00:31:38.545
He had to end up going back and

00:31:38.585 --> 00:31:41.948
creating short stories in order to include

00:31:41.988 --> 00:31:42.387
people

00:31:43.375 --> 00:31:45.519
that paid to be in the comic book.

00:31:45.538 --> 00:31:47.441
So he was literally making like these like

00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:48.821
short stories for people.

00:31:48.942 --> 00:31:50.324
That's cool.

00:31:50.443 --> 00:31:52.527
As additions because so many people were

00:31:52.646 --> 00:31:54.568
interested in that, which is really cool.

00:31:55.609 --> 00:31:57.311
What I try to do is I try

00:31:57.332 --> 00:31:58.093
to like,

00:31:58.413 --> 00:31:59.954
like Homestead is like a big part of

00:31:59.974 --> 00:32:01.277
the plot in Jupiter Man's World.

00:32:02.006 --> 00:32:04.627
so what i try to do is depending

00:32:04.708 --> 00:32:06.128
on depending on what book you know i'm

00:32:06.148 --> 00:32:07.710
working on at the time i really try

00:32:07.750 --> 00:32:10.332
to like make you an integral piece like

00:32:10.531 --> 00:32:12.153
you're gonna see a lot more of homestead

00:32:12.252 --> 00:32:13.913
which is crazy because these books become

00:32:13.973 --> 00:32:16.454
famous he's gonna be like hey my

00:32:16.494 --> 00:32:18.457
character's in there so can i get a

00:32:18.477 --> 00:32:20.917
little something for that but uh but uh

00:32:20.978 --> 00:32:22.398
yeah like i try to make i try

00:32:22.419 --> 00:32:25.280
to make a big i want to create

00:32:25.520 --> 00:32:28.222
a universe filled with fans that's low-key

00:32:28.262 --> 00:32:29.064
that's low-key the dream

00:32:30.267 --> 00:32:32.327
Dude, that would be so, so clean though.

00:32:32.347 --> 00:32:34.308
Just like these characters are your

00:32:34.348 --> 00:32:35.730
friends, your family,

00:32:35.890 --> 00:32:38.211
people you've met and people that had some

00:32:38.250 --> 00:32:41.093
type of influence on you throughout your

00:32:41.133 --> 00:32:42.074
lifetime, you know?

00:32:42.134 --> 00:32:44.375
And I think that's really dope to try

00:32:44.434 --> 00:32:45.035
to do.

00:32:45.515 --> 00:32:45.736
Right.

00:32:45.935 --> 00:32:48.477
And like, it's definitely different.

00:32:48.696 --> 00:32:50.897
And that's why it's appealing about that.

00:32:51.239 --> 00:32:52.980
That's the inclusive piece of it.

00:32:53.019 --> 00:32:55.040
Like the thing, the thing that, um,

00:32:56.222 --> 00:32:57.324
The thing that kind of hit me a

00:32:57.344 --> 00:32:59.565
little bit when it came to like starting

00:32:59.585 --> 00:33:01.205
to create my own comics and, you know,

00:33:01.246 --> 00:33:02.906
how I thought about putting the Adalberts

00:33:02.946 --> 00:33:08.109
together was like everybody was counting

00:33:08.150 --> 00:33:10.171
down to how many days it had been,

00:33:10.250 --> 00:33:10.631
you know,

00:33:10.691 --> 00:33:13.492
since an African-American character was,

00:33:13.553 --> 00:33:13.932
you know,

00:33:14.012 --> 00:33:16.574
had their own solo run or this character

00:33:16.614 --> 00:33:18.154
or this different ethnicity or that.

00:33:18.234 --> 00:33:20.155
And I was like, you know,

00:33:20.217 --> 00:33:21.696
Marvel and DC don't really have an

00:33:21.757 --> 00:33:22.758
obligation to do that.

00:33:24.355 --> 00:33:24.777
They don't.

00:33:24.797 --> 00:33:25.336
They don't.

00:33:25.537 --> 00:33:26.458
And I was like,

00:33:26.738 --> 00:33:28.778
but it would be so cool if they

00:33:28.838 --> 00:33:29.159
did.

00:33:29.538 --> 00:33:30.339
So that's why I was like,

00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.941
what if I could slowly build a universe

00:33:34.101 --> 00:33:36.423
where everybody could see themselves and

00:33:36.462 --> 00:33:38.183
whatever character was flying across the

00:33:38.223 --> 00:33:38.544
sky?

00:33:39.723 --> 00:33:41.306
I don't necessarily need to start with an

00:33:41.365 --> 00:33:43.948
African-American superhero because I'm the

00:33:43.988 --> 00:33:44.448
creator.

00:33:44.848 --> 00:33:47.130
But to create a dope Native American

00:33:47.210 --> 00:33:49.751
Superman-like guy that isn't wearing the

00:33:49.811 --> 00:33:50.232
feathers,

00:33:50.252 --> 00:33:52.555
that doesn't have all the regalia on,

00:33:52.994 --> 00:33:54.736
but he represents something and it's a

00:33:54.796 --> 00:33:56.057
part of his heritage,

00:33:57.198 --> 00:33:58.419
I felt would be the coolest thing.

00:33:58.459 --> 00:34:00.441
And dude, that's what pulled me into it,

00:34:00.861 --> 00:34:04.864
is that he is Native American and he

00:34:05.023 --> 00:34:05.704
isn't being...

00:34:07.093 --> 00:34:10.355
Like, his culture isn't being, like,

00:34:10.876 --> 00:34:12.597
exposed in that kind of way.

00:34:12.757 --> 00:34:13.818
Right, right.

00:34:13.858 --> 00:34:14.217
You know?

00:34:14.998 --> 00:34:17.199
So that's really, like, a plus.

00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:19.762
It's just, yes, he's Native American.

00:34:20.262 --> 00:34:21.422
Yes, he's a superhero.

00:34:23.824 --> 00:34:25.786
If you just picked up book two,

00:34:26.385 --> 00:34:28.067
you would not necessarily know he was

00:34:28.126 --> 00:34:28.927
Native American.

00:34:29.208 --> 00:34:29.467
Right.

00:34:29.728 --> 00:34:29.969
Yep.

00:34:30.168 --> 00:34:30.329
Mm-hmm.

00:34:31.057 --> 00:34:32.860
Which is what I really wanted,

00:34:32.900 --> 00:34:34.320
which is what I really wanted it to

00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:34.581
be.

00:34:34.681 --> 00:34:38.003
Like, I felt like, I mean,

00:34:38.083 --> 00:34:40.206
when Superman was originally created,

00:34:41.126 --> 00:34:42.668
I don't think they ever expressed,

00:34:42.708 --> 00:34:44.250
you know, the religion, you know,

00:34:44.269 --> 00:34:46.150
what he represented or if he was or

00:34:46.170 --> 00:34:46.391
not.

00:34:46.911 --> 00:34:48.954
But there were always those hints or notes

00:34:49.014 --> 00:34:49.193
there,

00:34:49.253 --> 00:34:51.235
especially what he fought for at the time.

00:34:51.675 --> 00:34:52.836
But I kind of wanted,

00:34:52.976 --> 00:34:54.657
that's actually what kind of inspired me a

00:34:54.697 --> 00:34:56.659
little bit when pushing forward, you know,

00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:57.940
how Jupiter Man was going to be

00:34:58.380 --> 00:34:58.961
represented.

00:34:59.001 --> 00:34:59.342
It was like,

00:34:59.402 --> 00:35:00.282
I want that to be a part of

00:35:00.322 --> 00:35:01.423
his culture, his heritage.

00:35:01.523 --> 00:35:02.423
And there are definitely going to be

00:35:02.523 --> 00:35:04.485
elements of that spirit walking and,

00:35:04.885 --> 00:35:05.987
you know, loving the woman.

00:35:06.387 --> 00:35:07.989
I'm really interested in that part of it.

00:35:08.309 --> 00:35:08.509
Yeah.

00:35:08.648 --> 00:35:11.150
When he kind of like discovers that,

00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:12.592
because I don't think he's discovered that

00:35:12.612 --> 00:35:13.393
yet, has he?

00:35:13.432 --> 00:35:14.353
Nope.

00:35:14.373 --> 00:35:14.474
Nope.

00:35:14.514 --> 00:35:14.733
Yeah.

00:35:15.804 --> 00:35:17.684
He thinks he thinks he has to like

00:35:17.704 --> 00:35:19.266
the manipulations and whatnot.

00:35:19.346 --> 00:35:20.746
But no, not really.

00:35:21.027 --> 00:35:21.947
That's what's going to be.

00:35:22.668 --> 00:35:23.987
That's really going to be explored in

00:35:24.068 --> 00:35:25.969
later issues when things really get

00:35:26.009 --> 00:35:26.349
heated.

00:35:26.929 --> 00:35:29.411
But right now I'm working on like the

00:35:29.490 --> 00:35:30.992
simulation slowly cracking,

00:35:31.032 --> 00:35:32.793
which is why I can't wait to send

00:35:32.813 --> 00:35:34.333
you those sneak peeks later.

00:35:34.534 --> 00:35:37.315
Bet I'm down, dude.

00:35:38.155 --> 00:35:39.036
Let me ask you this.

00:35:39.376 --> 00:35:40.016
OK, the.

00:35:42.550 --> 00:35:44.431
What made you decide to build a whole

00:35:44.590 --> 00:35:46.210
universe instead of just, like,

00:35:47.172 --> 00:35:49.351
these single character issues?

00:35:49.612 --> 00:35:50.291
You know what I'm saying?

00:35:50.311 --> 00:35:51.853
Like, these, like, one-shot issues.

00:35:51.873 --> 00:35:53.932
Like, you see so many other artists doing.

00:35:55.114 --> 00:35:58.914
Build a universe or one-shots.

00:35:59.094 --> 00:36:01.335
Right.

00:36:01.396 --> 00:36:04.016
Or maybe a four-comic run of a character

00:36:04.056 --> 00:36:04.556
or something.

00:36:05.277 --> 00:36:08.056
In the words of the great DJ Jazzy

00:36:08.097 --> 00:36:09.737
Jeff, die empty.

00:36:12.092 --> 00:36:13.474
You gotta die empty.

00:36:14.114 --> 00:36:16.195
I can't, for whatever reason,

00:36:16.875 --> 00:36:18.916
my mind can't do one shots.

00:36:19.175 --> 00:36:20.717
I can't do one-off stories.

00:36:20.737 --> 00:36:22.018
Like there are pieces of me,

00:36:22.637 --> 00:36:23.958
there are pieces of me that are going

00:36:23.978 --> 00:36:26.579
to create like, like me, my journey,

00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:28.141
I want to create a hundred books.

00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:28.880
As a writer,

00:36:29.041 --> 00:36:31.481
I feel like that substantiates myself.

00:36:31.822 --> 00:36:33.043
If I make a hundred books,

00:36:33.483 --> 00:36:35.684
then I have a longstanding body of work.

00:36:35.804 --> 00:36:37.905
And if I'm an eight-year-old man with an

00:36:37.965 --> 00:36:39.646
attic filled with books that I wrote,

00:36:39.806 --> 00:36:40.987
then I accomplished something.

00:36:43.994 --> 00:36:47.135
But there are so many different ideas and

00:36:47.175 --> 00:36:48.675
thoughts and stories that run through my

00:36:48.735 --> 00:36:49.074
mind.

00:36:49.835 --> 00:36:50.576
I can't stop.

00:36:50.755 --> 00:36:51.996
And I really want to try and stop

00:36:52.036 --> 00:36:52.936
myself, but I can't.

00:36:53.016 --> 00:36:54.657
So I want to create as much as

00:36:54.717 --> 00:36:55.197
possible.

00:36:55.737 --> 00:36:57.557
Storylines might be muddled.

00:36:58.237 --> 00:37:00.358
Stuff might come out before other stuff.

00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:01.778
And I'm only one guy.

00:37:01.818 --> 00:37:02.960
And I hope the people that read my

00:37:02.980 --> 00:37:04.019
books understands that.

00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:07.081
but I want to create something that's

00:37:07.481 --> 00:37:07.880
awesome.

00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:09.320
And I want to create something that

00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.141
somebody, like there's so many creators.

00:37:11.402 --> 00:37:13.322
There are mentors that I have right now

00:37:13.362 --> 00:37:16.063
that have created books back in the

00:37:16.143 --> 00:37:17.682
nineties or back in the early two

00:37:17.702 --> 00:37:18.222
thousands.

00:37:18.663 --> 00:37:20.364
And they don't create books anymore,

00:37:20.704 --> 00:37:21.923
like six books.

00:37:22.384 --> 00:37:24.105
And I'm like, bro, this is amazing work.

00:37:24.304 --> 00:37:25.724
Why aren't you continuing this?

00:37:26.085 --> 00:37:27.706
And they don't continue the books.

00:37:27.766 --> 00:37:30.385
And I'm like, burnout is real, dude.

00:37:30.806 --> 00:37:32.086
Who's going to remember this?

00:37:32.266 --> 00:37:33.327
I just don't want

00:37:34.090 --> 00:37:36.112
I feel like even if I wasn't to

00:37:36.152 --> 00:37:38.135
create a long body of work and I

00:37:38.175 --> 00:37:39.976
was to create a bunch of interconnecting

00:37:40.016 --> 00:37:42.719
books, that's still a universe base.

00:37:42.958 --> 00:37:45.161
That's somewhere to start.

00:37:45.181 --> 00:37:46.282
But to me,

00:37:46.322 --> 00:37:49.045
creating six issues of one character and

00:37:49.065 --> 00:37:51.286
then stopping after a long period of time,

00:37:52.128 --> 00:37:54.811
i just feel like it depends though did

00:37:54.851 --> 00:37:57.793
they have a beginning a middle and an

00:37:57.994 --> 00:37:59.936
ending or was it just like they got

00:37:59.956 --> 00:38:01.657
to six and they were like yeah i'm

00:38:01.677 --> 00:38:03.438
just kind of done with this they got

00:38:03.458 --> 00:38:05.360
to six no he still creates today i'm

00:38:05.380 --> 00:38:06.742
gonna have no problem saying his name

00:38:06.762 --> 00:38:09.125
because we're we're you know we're still

00:38:09.164 --> 00:38:10.626
good and in good standing his name is

00:38:10.666 --> 00:38:13.849
vince white uh creator of the power verse

00:38:13.969 --> 00:38:16.030
amazing amazing mind

00:38:17.092 --> 00:38:19.952
um actually my my brother e compares me

00:38:19.992 --> 00:38:21.793
to him a lot because our brains just

00:38:21.813 --> 00:38:24.054
keep going like we just keep doing things

00:38:24.353 --> 00:38:26.275
and he's created so far i think like

00:38:26.474 --> 00:38:29.335
six uh he's created six issues of

00:38:29.416 --> 00:38:31.936
willpower and i'm waiting on the seventh

00:38:32.016 --> 00:38:33.757
and the eighth and he hasn't created

00:38:34.036 --> 00:38:35.297
anything new or at least he's not

00:38:35.338 --> 00:38:37.458
promoting anything new and he hasn't told

00:38:37.478 --> 00:38:39.458
me about anything new and i'm like man

00:38:40.202 --> 00:38:40.422
Like,

00:38:41.043 --> 00:38:44.025
I would hate for something to happen to

00:38:44.045 --> 00:38:46.088
you and there's nobody to continue your

00:38:46.128 --> 00:38:47.469
work because it's amazing.

00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:49.911
It could be something that's on any comic

00:38:49.931 --> 00:38:52.114
book shelf, any bookstore shelf, anywhere.

00:38:52.974 --> 00:38:55.277
And, yeah,

00:38:55.398 --> 00:38:56.599
it hits me in a special place.

00:38:56.659 --> 00:38:56.818
Like,

00:38:56.858 --> 00:39:00.163
when people create great stuff and then it

00:39:00.222 --> 00:39:01.304
fades into obscurity,

00:39:01.403 --> 00:39:02.865
I just feel like it shouldn't be that

00:39:02.905 --> 00:39:03.005
way.

00:39:03.547 --> 00:39:03.746
Well,

00:39:03.786 --> 00:39:04.987
how do you feel about some of the

00:39:05.047 --> 00:39:07.110
modern-day guys and some of the stories

00:39:07.130 --> 00:39:07.931
that they are doing?

00:39:07.971 --> 00:39:09.672
Take, for instance, James Tinian.

00:39:10.492 --> 00:39:12.155
Like his Something Is Killing the

00:39:12.195 --> 00:39:13.795
Children, The House of Slaughter,

00:39:13.876 --> 00:39:14.737
Book of Butcher.

00:39:15.838 --> 00:39:17.340
Something Is Killing the Children was just

00:39:17.380 --> 00:39:18.059
picked up for TV.

00:39:18.099 --> 00:39:18.960
Right, right.

00:39:19.782 --> 00:39:23.666
And then I think several of his other

00:39:23.706 --> 00:39:25.507
stories have also been picked up for

00:39:25.567 --> 00:39:28.811
either movies or –

00:39:28.103 --> 00:39:28.463
You know,

00:39:28.963 --> 00:39:30.905
animations and that kind of stuff,

00:39:30.925 --> 00:39:31.846
like all of a sudden,

00:39:31.865 --> 00:39:34.208
like his work is like about to be

00:39:34.327 --> 00:39:37.829
all over streaming networks, Netflix,

00:39:38.231 --> 00:39:39.050
Amazon.

00:39:40.012 --> 00:39:42.434
Like, how do you feel about that?

00:39:43.291 --> 00:39:44.371
When it comes to because I mean,

00:39:44.431 --> 00:39:46.355
he's a like he's in his hands are

00:39:46.375 --> 00:39:47.896
into so much stuff.

00:39:47.936 --> 00:39:48.036
Right.

00:39:48.777 --> 00:39:50.900
And then all of a sudden, like, boom,

00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:52.822
TV is calling in.

00:39:53.623 --> 00:39:54.545
Hey, these are called.

00:39:55.025 --> 00:39:56.507
That's the great thing about creating,

00:39:56.568 --> 00:39:56.827
man.

00:39:56.867 --> 00:39:57.329
Like you said,

00:39:57.349 --> 00:39:58.771
his hands are in so many things.

00:39:59.331 --> 00:40:00.932
And I'm actually I'm not the

00:40:02.556 --> 00:40:05.297
I'm not the most knowledgeable in his

00:40:05.358 --> 00:40:05.619
work.

00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.840
I've heard of his different projects.

00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.021
But to create so many different things,

00:40:11.141 --> 00:40:13.682
and then for a studio to actually take

00:40:13.782 --> 00:40:16.003
interest and then build on those things,

00:40:16.483 --> 00:40:17.005
that's the dream.

00:40:17.025 --> 00:40:18.284
And not just one project.

00:40:18.706 --> 00:40:21.666
He had multiple projects at one time,

00:40:21.746 --> 00:40:22.407
it feels like,

00:40:22.887 --> 00:40:25.028
within a few weeks or months of each

00:40:25.108 --> 00:40:25.409
other,

00:40:26.108 --> 00:40:27.710
get picked up for some type of

00:40:27.769 --> 00:40:28.490
syndication.

00:40:30.282 --> 00:40:33.306
I think that that's the goal.

00:40:33.365 --> 00:40:34.728
That's the objective.

00:40:35.088 --> 00:40:36.309
When you look at it, though,

00:40:36.369 --> 00:40:37.791
The Walking Dead was that way.

00:40:38.152 --> 00:40:39.672
It started out as a comic book.

00:40:40.755 --> 00:40:41.596
Invincible.

00:40:44.518 --> 00:40:45.500
To me, it's always cool.

00:40:47.603 --> 00:40:48.264
I read that.

00:40:49.556 --> 00:40:52.358
Like this big thing is bigger than life.

00:40:52.398 --> 00:40:53.420
Yeah.

00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:54.661
Like I still, to this day,

00:40:54.762 --> 00:40:57.623
like I don't see my daughter loves to

00:40:57.664 --> 00:40:59.224
watch invincible.

00:40:59.264 --> 00:41:00.606
It's one of her favorite shows.

00:41:01.606 --> 00:41:04.789
I cannot watch it because I know the

00:41:04.829 --> 00:41:07.311
book in the book to me is a

00:41:07.632 --> 00:41:08.632
hundred times better.

00:41:08.893 --> 00:41:09.153
Better.

00:41:09.233 --> 00:41:09.514
Right.

00:41:09.594 --> 00:41:09.813
Right.

00:41:09.833 --> 00:41:10.074
Yeah.

00:41:11.126 --> 00:41:11.726
Yeah,

00:41:11.746 --> 00:41:14.068
which is so crazy because my brother

00:41:14.088 --> 00:41:17.009
Elijah read like the big omnibus of it

00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:17.650
and he finished it.

00:41:17.670 --> 00:41:19.831
He was like, ah,

00:41:19.851 --> 00:41:21.650
the series just doesn't hit the same.

00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:22.952
It doesn't.

00:41:22.972 --> 00:41:24.472
See, that's my point right there.

00:41:24.492 --> 00:41:26.172
You read that first omnibus and my

00:41:26.233 --> 00:41:26.853
daughter has all,

00:41:27.074 --> 00:41:28.474
I think it's five omnibuses, I think.

00:41:28.554 --> 00:41:28.733
Right.

00:41:29.675 --> 00:41:31.516
And she read that first one and she's

00:41:31.556 --> 00:41:31.916
like, damn,

00:41:31.936 --> 00:41:33.036
I see what you're talking about.

00:41:33.195 --> 00:41:35.197
She's like, it doesn't hit the same.

00:41:35.237 --> 00:41:36.878
So now she's holding off reading

00:41:36.938 --> 00:41:39.259
everything so she can watch it.

00:41:39.838 --> 00:41:42.222
And then we go back and read like

00:41:42.242 --> 00:41:43.405
the next omnibus of it.

00:41:43.465 --> 00:41:44.626
Cause I just got her the whole thing

00:41:44.666 --> 00:41:46.710
at once because we found them at a

00:41:46.750 --> 00:41:49.132
secondhand bookstore for half the price.

00:41:49.152 --> 00:41:49.713
So I was like,

00:41:50.355 --> 00:41:51.817
let's just pick them all up right now.

00:41:51.876 --> 00:41:54.280
While they have every single one,

00:41:54.481 --> 00:41:55.081
just grab them.

00:41:56.302 --> 00:41:56.724
That's awesome.

00:41:56.764 --> 00:41:57.684
That is the objective.

00:41:57.704 --> 00:41:59.065
That is the goal,

00:41:59.724 --> 00:42:01.565
to build up as many books as possible.

00:42:01.626 --> 00:42:02.146
And then, hey,

00:42:02.186 --> 00:42:04.166
maybe one day somebody sees Jupiter Man

00:42:04.186 --> 00:42:04.927
and is like, yo,

00:42:04.947 --> 00:42:06.288
this would be a dope Saturday morning

00:42:06.327 --> 00:42:06.748
cartoon.

00:42:06.789 --> 00:42:08.409
Like, I grew up on Grave Star.

00:42:08.769 --> 00:42:10.150
I grew up on He-Man.

00:42:11.010 --> 00:42:12.731
I grew up on all the great eighties

00:42:12.771 --> 00:42:13.351
cartoons.

00:42:13.992 --> 00:42:16.414
And to have something like that for Drew,

00:42:16.755 --> 00:42:18.536
I'm not even trying to get live action.

00:42:19.378 --> 00:42:20.760
Cartoons is it for me.

00:42:20.980 --> 00:42:24.224
Yeah, I kind of figured that one.

00:42:24.344 --> 00:42:25.925
And I love that one cover that you

00:42:26.025 --> 00:42:28.949
sent me of you and all your characters

00:42:28.989 --> 00:42:30.030
around you.

00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:32.032
I thought that was so dope.

00:42:32.052 --> 00:42:33.074
Because it felt like...

00:42:34.581 --> 00:42:37.166
Because I've seen it done by Stan Lee,

00:42:37.827 --> 00:42:39.429
George Lucas with the Star Wars

00:42:39.449 --> 00:42:39.949
characters.

00:42:39.989 --> 00:42:41.012
I've seen it done with him.

00:42:41.572 --> 00:42:42.474
And then I was like, dude,

00:42:42.514 --> 00:42:44.317
this is like the coolest homage ever.

00:42:44.878 --> 00:42:47.882
And what was crazy about it is you

00:42:47.922 --> 00:42:50.005
haven't even seen those characters yet.

00:42:51.005 --> 00:42:51.605
In the book.

00:42:52.746 --> 00:42:54.387
So it's like this perfect tease because

00:42:54.427 --> 00:42:55.427
I'm sitting there looking at it and I'm

00:42:55.467 --> 00:42:55.666
like,

00:42:55.827 --> 00:42:57.789
I know like five of these characters.

00:42:57.809 --> 00:43:00.570
I'm like, there's some good shit coming.

00:43:00.889 --> 00:43:02.190
Yes, for sure.

00:43:02.291 --> 00:43:05.472
There's Sir Absolute in there who's my

00:43:05.552 --> 00:43:06.012
freaking...

00:43:06.793 --> 00:43:09.635
wrestling superstar like he's my ode to

00:43:09.735 --> 00:43:11.556
eighties wrestling and he's in there

00:43:11.617 --> 00:43:13.898
hancock is in it my brother's character

00:43:13.998 --> 00:43:16.802
more eyes in it like there's so many

00:43:16.981 --> 00:43:19.523
and which is so crazy is just like

00:43:19.563 --> 00:43:22.326
majority of those characters are all based

00:43:22.365 --> 00:43:23.987
off of friends of mine so like it's

00:43:24.007 --> 00:43:27.251
like like my like the there's a female

00:43:27.291 --> 00:43:28.592
character called ages that's my

00:43:28.632 --> 00:43:30.472
girlfriend's character and she's in it and

00:43:30.532 --> 00:43:30.954
it's like

00:43:31.652 --> 00:43:33.494
Yeah, it feels good.

00:43:33.534 --> 00:43:35.536
It's very surreal to see everything that

00:43:35.596 --> 00:43:39.278
I've created in one place like that.

00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.121
It's like Stan Lee.

00:43:41.641 --> 00:43:43.722
The one thing that I felt is missing

00:43:43.742 --> 00:43:45.543
from comic books, even to this day,

00:43:46.105 --> 00:43:47.905
is back when Stan Lee was doing his

00:43:47.965 --> 00:43:50.307
thing, running and gunning with Marvel,

00:43:50.367 --> 00:43:52.190
he was a superhero in his own right.

00:43:54.115 --> 00:43:55.817
Like all the writers and artists were,

00:43:55.856 --> 00:43:57.318
they all had nicknames.

00:43:57.358 --> 00:44:00.300
Like you knew who was drawing the book.

00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.201
That's what made you,

00:44:01.501 --> 00:44:02.681
or you knew who was writing it.

00:44:02.702 --> 00:44:03.583
And that's what made you go to the

00:44:03.603 --> 00:44:04.422
comic book store.

00:44:04.583 --> 00:44:06.364
I don't think of that anymore.

00:44:06.905 --> 00:44:09.266
Like- I will disagree with that.

00:44:09.487 --> 00:44:09.786
Really?

00:44:11.168 --> 00:44:13.829
I think we have her own modern-day rock

00:44:13.889 --> 00:44:14.449
stars.

00:44:14.690 --> 00:44:15.130
Because, I mean,

00:44:15.150 --> 00:44:17.291
you have people like Todd McFarlane.

00:44:17.871 --> 00:44:19.313
You have the Capullos,

00:44:19.353 --> 00:44:20.813
the Jim Lees of the world,

00:44:21.153 --> 00:44:23.195
the Daniel Warren Johnsons of the world,

00:44:23.376 --> 00:44:26.878
the David Nakayamas, the James Tedians.

00:44:27.498 --> 00:44:29.099
And that list could go on and on

00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:29.559
and on.

00:44:29.619 --> 00:44:30.760
And these guys within their...

00:44:32.081 --> 00:44:32.983
like our own,

00:44:33.083 --> 00:44:34.947
like in our own comic book medium,

00:44:35.007 --> 00:44:37.050
of course we all know those names.

00:44:37.090 --> 00:44:38.713
But if you walk to the random guy

00:44:38.733 --> 00:44:40.315
on the street and say, Stan the man,

00:44:40.456 --> 00:44:41.619
nine times out of ten,

00:44:43.021 --> 00:44:44.543
they'll know who Lee is, you know?

00:44:45.851 --> 00:44:48.351
a different time because comic books were

00:44:48.371 --> 00:44:51.472
being born right at that time and these

00:44:51.492 --> 00:44:56.534
guys become became rock stars and they

00:44:56.574 --> 00:45:00.056
were shoveling out stuff in the masses for

00:45:00.115 --> 00:45:05.077
ten cents an issue yeah oh and it's

00:45:05.137 --> 00:45:06.597
one of those where you have to go

00:45:06.677 --> 00:45:10.438
okay different time different situations

00:45:11.802 --> 00:45:14.125
comic books were looked at as a getaway

00:45:14.164 --> 00:45:17.007
from what the world was going through at

00:45:17.067 --> 00:45:17.807
that time.

00:45:18.148 --> 00:45:18.728
Very true.

00:45:19.349 --> 00:45:21.411
And that's kind of what I want The

00:45:21.490 --> 00:45:22.452
Adalberts to be too.

00:45:22.811 --> 00:45:23.793
I kind of feel like

00:45:25.153 --> 00:45:28.157
I kind of feel like the surrealism,

00:45:28.197 --> 00:45:31.943
like the mythic adventure of comic books

00:45:32.503 --> 00:45:33.786
is missing, at least for me.

00:45:35.648 --> 00:45:37.110
There's a piece of like an other

00:45:37.190 --> 00:45:37.951
worldliness.

00:45:37.971 --> 00:45:39.092
Like when you open the book,

00:45:39.152 --> 00:45:40.315
it kind of felt like the world was

00:45:40.355 --> 00:45:41.195
coming out at you.

00:45:42.998 --> 00:45:43.418
I don't know.

00:45:43.498 --> 00:45:45.039
I kind of felt I really did feel

00:45:45.059 --> 00:45:45.458
that way.

00:45:45.478 --> 00:45:47.699
But if you want to feel that you

00:45:47.778 --> 00:45:50.380
have to dive into the indie world.

00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:51.760
Yes.

00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:52.380
Yes.

00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:54.760
I would say that with Marvel,

00:45:55.161 --> 00:45:56.922
you're not going to get that with DC

00:45:56.942 --> 00:45:58.481
because these stories have all been

00:45:58.521 --> 00:46:02.983
recycled multiple times outside of what DC

00:46:03.023 --> 00:46:06.443
is currently doing with DC KO and the

00:46:06.523 --> 00:46:08.284
absolute universe that they have built.

00:46:09.065 --> 00:46:10.547
But if you really want to feel like

00:46:10.567 --> 00:46:13.650
you're being immersed into something new,

00:46:13.849 --> 00:46:15.192
fresh and different,

00:46:15.692 --> 00:46:17.032
you have to look to like the Boom

00:46:17.074 --> 00:46:19.356
Studios, the Image Comics,

00:46:19.476 --> 00:46:24.141
the Dynamite Comets, Mad Cave, Bad Idea,

00:46:24.802 --> 00:46:25.342
you know.

00:46:25.822 --> 00:46:27.784
And to me, those guys right now,

00:46:27.965 --> 00:46:30.668
the Keen Spot, Zen Scope.

00:46:31.922 --> 00:46:33.503
I mean, Ani Press,

00:46:33.824 --> 00:46:34.943
they have Rick and Morty.

00:46:34.983 --> 00:46:35.123
Well,

00:46:35.284 --> 00:46:37.585
Rick and Morty just retired in December,

00:46:38.286 --> 00:46:40.326
which hopefully somebody else will maybe

00:46:40.385 --> 00:46:42.286
pick that comic book up and start running

00:46:42.306 --> 00:46:43.027
with it again.

00:46:43.608 --> 00:46:44.068
Maybe not.

00:46:44.168 --> 00:46:44.827
Who knows?

00:46:45.387 --> 00:46:46.768
I kind of hope it don't because all

00:46:46.789 --> 00:46:48.068
my Rick and Mortys are going to shoot

00:46:48.128 --> 00:46:48.710
up in value.

00:46:48.730 --> 00:46:52.990
So being selfish there,

00:46:53.110 --> 00:46:55.552
but my pick of Rick number one is

00:46:55.572 --> 00:46:57.393
going to be like skadoodle up.

00:46:57.413 --> 00:46:58.193
You know what I'm saying?

00:46:58.494 --> 00:46:59.213
No skyrocketing.

00:47:00.030 --> 00:47:03.411
But I really do think what you're saying

00:47:03.472 --> 00:47:06.994
is born right now and being born every

00:47:07.014 --> 00:47:07.853
day as we speak.

00:47:08.233 --> 00:47:09.014
Right.

00:47:09.054 --> 00:47:12.655
Those universes are being created by a guy

00:47:12.695 --> 00:47:13.317
like you,

00:47:13.876 --> 00:47:16.478
by a guy like Lloyd last night.

00:47:17.038 --> 00:47:19.840
by a guy like you know matt who's

00:47:19.860 --> 00:47:21.202
going to be on the show in the

00:47:22.161 --> 00:47:24.804
the bruno catarinos of the world the

00:47:24.923 --> 00:47:27.405
nicholas keaton casperos of the world who

00:47:27.425 --> 00:47:30.329
does the vidalirium series right and shout

00:47:30.389 --> 00:47:31.849
out he just get he just dropped the

00:47:31.889 --> 00:47:34.351
name of his second book can't wait to

00:47:34.391 --> 00:47:36.233
get my hands on that book my dude

00:47:36.773 --> 00:47:39.795
but um everything you just said is is

00:47:39.896 --> 00:47:42.177
why we're here right now right it's to

00:47:42.217 --> 00:47:43.599
promote and highlight

00:47:44.737 --> 00:47:47.900
guys like you and put the spotlight on

00:47:47.940 --> 00:47:49.860
guys like you who are creating these

00:47:50.081 --> 00:47:54.083
amazing universes and i'm glad you said

00:47:54.123 --> 00:47:57.106
that dude because i just like it's there

00:47:57.166 --> 00:47:59.387
it's just it's not where people are

00:47:59.427 --> 00:48:02.730
looking it's not in mainstream it's not in

00:48:02.809 --> 00:48:04.731
marvel it's not in dc you have to

00:48:04.771 --> 00:48:07.853
take a step away from them give yourself

00:48:07.893 --> 00:48:08.014
that

00:48:16.414 --> 00:48:17.635
Ooh, that looks cool right there.

00:48:17.655 --> 00:48:18.755
Let me grab that.

00:48:19.295 --> 00:48:20.257
Like, who does this book?

00:48:20.336 --> 00:48:20.938
Bad Idea?

00:48:21.338 --> 00:48:22.920
What the hell is Bad Idea Comics?

00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.141
Oh, Bad Idea Comics is a phenomenal,

00:48:26.862 --> 00:48:28.463
phenomenal indie press.

00:48:28.804 --> 00:48:30.985
And they have some really cool stuff out

00:48:31.025 --> 00:48:32.007
on the shelves right now.

00:48:32.648 --> 00:48:34.188
But it's taking that twenty-five foot

00:48:34.389 --> 00:48:34.668
look.

00:48:35.788 --> 00:48:37.849
at the comic book rack now i think

00:48:37.869 --> 00:48:40.373
you're gonna find it um i think the

00:48:40.393 --> 00:48:42.875
thing that kind of differs uh the idol

00:48:42.914 --> 00:48:45.978
verse from a lot of uh comic book

00:48:46.077 --> 00:48:47.380
you know comic book companies that are

00:48:47.420 --> 00:48:49.240
coming out now even you know from the

00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:52.204
sake of image or boom studios or whoever

00:48:52.264 --> 00:48:54.726
else is well i want to say this

00:48:54.847 --> 00:48:58.349
one thing cartoons today in my opinion

00:48:58.391 --> 00:48:59.190
cartoons today

00:49:00.052 --> 00:49:02.233
are not what they used to be.

00:49:02.472 --> 00:49:06.536
This is not the cartoons that we grew

00:49:06.596 --> 00:49:07.056
up with.

00:49:07.175 --> 00:49:09.157
The Benton, the Avengers,

00:49:09.197 --> 00:49:10.438
Earth's Mightiest Heroes,

00:49:10.757 --> 00:49:12.458
even all the way back with Brave Star

00:49:12.478 --> 00:49:15.179
and He-Man and all of those great cartoons

00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:16.960
are not what it's not.

00:49:17.141 --> 00:49:17.842
It's not the same,

00:49:18.882 --> 00:49:21.824
which is why I think that we differ

00:49:22.003 --> 00:49:23.204
even from our counterparts,

00:49:23.545 --> 00:49:27.007
Concrete or Midnight Comics or even six.

00:49:30.168 --> 00:49:31.748
We're vibrant, we're bright,

00:49:33.610 --> 00:49:37.233
our plots are easy for both kids from

00:49:37.994 --> 00:49:40.454
eight all the way up to fifteen, eighteen.

00:49:41.576 --> 00:49:43.157
You can get the message and you can

00:49:43.197 --> 00:49:45.418
enjoy it and it's fun, it's energetic,

00:49:45.458 --> 00:49:46.199
it's entertaining.

00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.161
I feel that it's something that a lot

00:49:49.202 --> 00:49:51.864
of kids can grow up with and also

00:49:51.903 --> 00:49:53.224
come out with it learning something,

00:49:53.605 --> 00:49:55.425
which is what I really wanted it to

00:49:55.485 --> 00:49:57.447
be.

00:49:57.527 --> 00:49:58.909
I see what you're saying with that, yeah.

00:50:00.077 --> 00:50:00.356
Because, I mean,

00:50:01.077 --> 00:50:03.719
he is learning important lessons as he

00:50:03.759 --> 00:50:04.398
goes in this.

00:50:04.539 --> 00:50:07.519
And you get those, especially issue one,

00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:09.641
you got those old G, like,

00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:11.961
eighties cartoon vibes.

00:50:12.762 --> 00:50:12.862
Like,

00:50:12.882 --> 00:50:14.043
the only thing that I was waiting for

00:50:14.063 --> 00:50:15.123
was to pop out was, like,

00:50:15.422 --> 00:50:17.164
the rainbow to come across the screen.

00:50:17.543 --> 00:50:18.425
The more you know.

00:50:18.485 --> 00:50:21.445
That's hilarious.

00:50:21.485 --> 00:50:22.226
You got to do one of those now.

00:50:22.246 --> 00:50:24.666
You got to do that at least once.

00:50:24.686 --> 00:50:26.847
Just a small panel, like a quarter panel.

00:50:26.947 --> 00:50:27.889
The more you know.

00:50:27.949 --> 00:50:28.728
The more you know.

00:50:29.137 --> 00:50:32.300
that's funny um but yeah man yeah and

00:50:32.539 --> 00:50:34.222
I yeah I wanted to be vibrant I

00:50:34.242 --> 00:50:36.682
wanted it to be bright uh all of

00:50:36.722 --> 00:50:38.804
our covers I wanted to be in your

00:50:38.844 --> 00:50:41.327
face like you're turning on that's why our

00:50:41.387 --> 00:50:44.349
that's why our logo is a freaking TV

00:50:44.548 --> 00:50:47.510
like we are the Saturday show one of

00:50:47.530 --> 00:50:50.652
the covers oh yeah for sure yeah this

00:50:50.693 --> 00:50:52.554
is probably my favorite one right here let

00:50:52.614 --> 00:50:55.956
me uh do a little present screen

00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:06.324
here we go boom yeah that's the one

00:51:06.403 --> 00:51:07.925
see that's when that's the one I was

00:51:07.945 --> 00:51:09.766
like oh like this is a Native American

00:51:09.786 --> 00:51:14.451
Black Adam yeah man uh that's that's

00:51:14.510 --> 00:51:17.514
Jupiter man um funny enough I got some

00:51:17.574 --> 00:51:20.717
inspiration uh of this where did I get

00:51:20.836 --> 00:51:21.557
inspiration from this

00:51:21.818 --> 00:51:23.478
this is actually inspiration from a

00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:26.199
superman cover that i saw on pinterest and

00:51:26.259 --> 00:51:28.780
i was like let's flip this around add

00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:30.739
some lightning specs put jupiter man in

00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.601
there funny i one of the background so

00:51:33.621 --> 00:51:36.461
uh i don't want to get this is

00:51:36.581 --> 00:51:37.842
one thing i don't want to give away

00:51:38.001 --> 00:51:39.842
don't give away spoilers unless you want

00:51:39.882 --> 00:51:42.003
to because once it's in the once it's

00:51:42.083 --> 00:51:43.284
out there it's out there

00:51:44.744 --> 00:51:46.666
I think I'm going to let it go.

00:51:47.346 --> 00:51:48.326
There are undertones.

00:51:48.666 --> 00:51:51.367
I really like this one too.

00:51:51.387 --> 00:51:54.168
The purples and the blue and the pink.

00:51:54.548 --> 00:51:57.510
This is Jupiter Man in the spirit world,

00:51:57.710 --> 00:51:58.289
quote unquote.

00:51:59.452 --> 00:52:01.974
um but yeah man like this i just

00:52:02.014 --> 00:52:03.474
wanted i wanted to be i wanted to

00:52:03.494 --> 00:52:05.096
be vibrant i wanted to be something that

00:52:05.115 --> 00:52:06.697
if you walked into a comic book store

00:52:07.177 --> 00:52:09.539
and you saw it like next to your

00:52:09.619 --> 00:52:12.460
superman or batman and it's like yeah what

00:52:12.581 --> 00:52:13.802
is this i i don't know if you're

00:52:13.822 --> 00:52:14.922
gonna buy it but i at least want

00:52:14.942 --> 00:52:17.204
you to pick it up no and you

00:52:17.224 --> 00:52:19.005
gotta think though a lot of people when

00:52:19.025 --> 00:52:20.485
they walk in the comic book store the

00:52:20.646 --> 00:52:22.507
first thing they look at is the cover

00:52:23.007 --> 00:52:25.708
right does that cover jump out at you

00:52:26.030 --> 00:52:26.289
right

00:52:27.253 --> 00:52:28.775
I can't tell you the number of some

00:52:28.815 --> 00:52:31.336
of my favorite reads I've have is because

00:52:31.356 --> 00:52:33.039
I seen the cover and was just like,

00:52:33.358 --> 00:52:35.121
what the hell is that?

00:52:36.061 --> 00:52:36.702
Let me get that.

00:52:37.242 --> 00:52:38.405
And then it turns out to just be

00:52:38.425 --> 00:52:39.545
this fantastic reading.

00:52:39.565 --> 00:52:42.289
That's actually how I discovered Tinian to

00:52:42.329 --> 00:52:44.331
begin with was the Department of Truth.

00:52:44.851 --> 00:52:45.152
Right.

00:52:45.831 --> 00:52:46.751
And then later on,

00:52:47.913 --> 00:52:49.713
when he did some stuff for what?

00:52:49.753 --> 00:52:50.954
Well, it's Vertigo again,

00:52:50.974 --> 00:52:53.695
but it was DC Dark or Black Label

00:52:54.175 --> 00:52:55.735
when he did the last house by the

00:52:55.775 --> 00:52:57.297
lake or the nice house by the lake.

00:53:00.311 --> 00:53:03.373
It was just this dark story.

00:53:07.597 --> 00:53:10.360
The nice house by the lake was the

00:53:10.420 --> 00:53:13.384
cover with the guy in the bathtub floating

00:53:13.403 --> 00:53:15.346
in body parts in the bathtub.

00:53:16.027 --> 00:53:18.228
And I was just like, holy shit,

00:53:18.248 --> 00:53:19.807
that's a wild cover.

00:53:23.309 --> 00:53:24.048
And I was just like,

00:53:24.289 --> 00:53:26.130
that's insane that that's a cover.

00:53:26.230 --> 00:53:29.030
And I was just getting back into comics

00:53:29.250 --> 00:53:30.771
at the time with my daughter.

00:53:31.891 --> 00:53:34.010
And I was just like, ooh,

00:53:34.090 --> 00:53:34.692
I like this.

00:53:34.731 --> 00:53:35.911
I like conspiracy theories.

00:53:35.931 --> 00:53:37.411
That's why it's led me to the Department

00:53:37.431 --> 00:53:37.911
of Truth.

00:53:38.012 --> 00:53:39.733
And, you know, it's...

00:53:40.896 --> 00:53:42.539
Covers say a lot.

00:53:43.081 --> 00:53:44.844
If the cover jumps out,

00:53:45.505 --> 00:53:46.829
people are going to pick it up.

00:53:47.429 --> 00:53:48.192
If they pick it up,

00:53:48.211 --> 00:53:49.514
they're going to flip pages.

00:53:51.010 --> 00:53:53.331
So that's your ultimate seller right there

00:53:53.351 --> 00:53:56.132
is to have these covers that evoke some

00:53:56.172 --> 00:53:58.074
type of emotion and make people want to

00:53:58.134 --> 00:53:58.733
pick it up.

00:53:59.375 --> 00:54:00.315
And it took some time.

00:54:00.414 --> 00:54:01.715
It really did take some time.

00:54:01.936 --> 00:54:03.836
I can't tell you how many different times

00:54:03.896 --> 00:54:05.217
I've had to go back to Jeff and

00:54:05.237 --> 00:54:05.958
be like, hey, Jeff,

00:54:06.278 --> 00:54:07.579
I just switched up the way that I

00:54:07.619 --> 00:54:08.780
did the branding for the cover.

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.380
Could you go back to the PDF and

00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:11.302
switch it around?

00:54:12.081 --> 00:54:13.503
Like, there's been so many times,

00:54:13.523 --> 00:54:15.603
down to our games being static.

00:54:16.284 --> 00:54:18.867
I switched the logo a couple of times.

00:54:18.907 --> 00:54:19.047
Like,

00:54:19.086 --> 00:54:20.867
the Jupiter Man logo has been switched.

00:54:22.168 --> 00:54:23.869
Our borders are supposed to be, like,

00:54:23.929 --> 00:54:26.172
TV screen-like borders at the bottom.

00:54:26.271 --> 00:54:28.592
It's, like, so many different things.

00:54:28.632 --> 00:54:30.954
And I finally found something that,

00:54:30.994 --> 00:54:32.016
you know, I'm pleased with.

00:54:32.096 --> 00:54:34.336
The fact that it looks like an actual

00:54:34.456 --> 00:54:36.039
Saturday morning cut scene where it's,

00:54:36.059 --> 00:54:36.838
like, we'll be back.

00:54:36.878 --> 00:54:37.539
Yeah.

00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:40.740
yeah i'm i'm proud of it super proud

00:54:40.780 --> 00:54:42.961
you know you should be dude you've earned

00:54:42.981 --> 00:54:44.983
that right to be proud of this product

00:54:45.003 --> 00:54:47.925
dude because it is a fantastic read a

00:54:47.965 --> 00:54:51.286
fantastic story character development is

00:54:51.306 --> 00:54:55.489
amazing and like i said earlier in the

00:54:55.509 --> 00:54:57.949
show when you were describing how this how

00:54:57.989 --> 00:54:59.471
the world is actually working

00:55:00.748 --> 00:55:02.628
You're not getting that until probably,

00:55:02.710 --> 00:55:04.570
like, what, issue three or issue four?

00:55:04.650 --> 00:55:06.211
There's only two issues out right now.

00:55:06.231 --> 00:55:06.932
Issue three,

00:55:06.952 --> 00:55:08.634
it blows up issue three for sure.

00:55:08.853 --> 00:55:12.137
So, yeah, so, like, when I read it,

00:55:12.177 --> 00:55:12.836
I'm thinking, like,

00:55:13.478 --> 00:55:14.599
this whole thing is real.

00:55:15.409 --> 00:55:15.990
Right.

00:55:16.050 --> 00:55:16.391
You know,

00:55:16.411 --> 00:55:18.632
I'm thinking these gods gave him powers

00:55:18.773 --> 00:55:20.074
and you know,

00:55:20.153 --> 00:55:22.135
he's a real cop in this real small

00:55:22.175 --> 00:55:24.097
town and he really has this girl in

00:55:24.137 --> 00:55:26.918
prison and now you're telling me like, oh,

00:55:26.938 --> 00:55:28.260
ain't none of that shit real.

00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:29.121
Oh, well, it's real.

00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:30.242
The girl is real.

00:55:30.661 --> 00:55:31.583
Ah, okay.

00:55:32.123 --> 00:55:33.405
At least his girl is real.

00:55:33.425 --> 00:55:34.085
The girl is real.

00:55:34.144 --> 00:55:34.324
Alright.

00:55:34.485 --> 00:55:36.827
I was like, man,

00:55:36.847 --> 00:55:37.927
don't do it that dirty.

00:55:37.947 --> 00:55:39.409
Oh,

00:55:39.710 --> 00:55:41.490
so what I wanted to tell you is

00:55:41.590 --> 00:55:44.793
there are undertones of

00:55:45.773 --> 00:55:48.916
the story of moses in his story okay

00:55:49.637 --> 00:55:50.617
i have to go i have to go

00:55:50.637 --> 00:55:52.719
back and look at that because that should

00:55:52.739 --> 00:55:55.601
have jumped out a little bit more moses

00:55:55.742 --> 00:55:58.945
is my favorite biblical tale and and

00:55:58.985 --> 00:56:00.365
you're not gonna you're not gonna really

00:56:00.425 --> 00:56:02.327
see it in the first two but as

00:56:02.347 --> 00:56:04.489
the story goes on as the story moves

00:56:04.568 --> 00:56:06.891
on it's gonna be like oh i see

00:56:06.911 --> 00:56:08.492
what you okay i see what you did

00:56:08.532 --> 00:56:09.952
there but there are i was just saying

00:56:09.972 --> 00:56:11.213
because i didn't really see anything in

00:56:11.253 --> 00:56:12.655
issue one or two that gave me that

00:56:12.675 --> 00:56:13.936
kind of like feel you know

00:56:15.117 --> 00:56:16.398
But as the story moves on,

00:56:16.438 --> 00:56:17.579
just because there was one,

00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:18.661
which is so funny.

00:56:20.762 --> 00:56:22.844
If you ever scroll back through my

00:56:22.903 --> 00:56:24.846
Instagram, there is a picture,

00:56:25.025 --> 00:56:26.726
one of the first covers that I upload.

00:56:27.208 --> 00:56:29.610
And then it's the Deliver Us song from

00:56:29.849 --> 00:56:33.313
Prince of Egypt as it introduces the

00:56:33.353 --> 00:56:33.713
cover.

00:56:34.353 --> 00:56:38.297
And it's because his backstory is kind of

00:56:38.396 --> 00:56:40.398
tagged to that loss almost.

00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:43.699
gotcha like um he doesn't know who he

00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:46.139
really is you know thinking thinking that

00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:48.860
he's these ethereal superhero and then

00:56:48.900 --> 00:56:51.081
finding finding out he comes from like

00:56:51.161 --> 00:56:53.762
really humble beginnings yeah like

00:56:53.782 --> 00:56:56.422
supposed to be like this savior for far

00:56:56.481 --> 00:56:58.943
more than you know you know native

00:56:58.983 --> 00:57:01.103
american people you know the oppressed and

00:57:01.143 --> 00:57:03.143
you know the people that really that

00:57:03.164 --> 00:57:04.804
really are downtrodden and you see that

00:57:04.824 --> 00:57:08.184
throughout his you know his story no i

00:57:08.684 --> 00:57:09.405
i yeah

00:57:11.818 --> 00:57:13.842
You have my love and respect on this

00:57:13.922 --> 00:57:14.141
one, dude,

00:57:14.161 --> 00:57:16.965
because it is such a fun and enjoyable

00:57:17.025 --> 00:57:17.327
read.

00:57:17.646 --> 00:57:19.369
Now, I got to ask you,

00:57:19.389 --> 00:57:23.153
what does success look like to you beyond

00:57:23.635 --> 00:57:26.038
your sales numbers and beyond the dollar

00:57:26.077 --> 00:57:27.199
value on this?

00:57:28.382 --> 00:57:29.744
Man, creating a community.

00:57:29.804 --> 00:57:31.807
That's why I wanted to get on this

00:57:31.827 --> 00:57:32.668
podcast.

00:57:32.809 --> 00:57:35.755
That's why I'm giving out for free to

00:57:35.795 --> 00:57:36.956
as many hands as possible.

00:57:36.996 --> 00:57:38.038
You won't have to pay for the third,

00:57:38.378 --> 00:57:39.199
but I'm giving out.

00:57:39.219 --> 00:57:41.123
Hey, let me know, dude.

00:57:41.164 --> 00:57:41.623
Let me know.

00:57:42.454 --> 00:57:44.016
Are you gonna Kickstarter the third?

00:57:45.036 --> 00:57:46.978
Everything is, I only,

00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:49.240
I have come up with my own rule.

00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.083
I will only be doing Kickstarters once the

00:57:52.123 --> 00:57:52.724
books are done.

00:57:52.744 --> 00:57:54.505
Okay.

00:57:54.525 --> 00:57:56.847
That is my number one rule because after

00:57:56.867 --> 00:57:58.590
that it's about getting you guys cool

00:57:58.630 --> 00:57:58.889
stuff.

00:57:58.929 --> 00:58:01.052
Like I'm not like a big pin stickers

00:58:01.092 --> 00:58:03.893
guy, but getting like posters.

00:58:04.235 --> 00:58:05.054
If I can do t-shirts,

00:58:05.295 --> 00:58:06.396
then we'll do t-shirts.

00:58:06.416 --> 00:58:07.197
We'll do art by,

00:58:07.257 --> 00:58:08.838
I work with a lot of amazing artists.

00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:10.300
So I'm trying to get all that cool

00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:11.320
stuff out to you guys.

00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:13.902
Plus cameos because I'm a big cameo guy.

00:58:13.961 --> 00:58:15.603
So I love that idea.

00:58:15.623 --> 00:58:17.043
I will always love that idea.

00:58:17.344 --> 00:58:17.583
Yeah.

00:58:17.603 --> 00:58:18.824
If you're trying to get in the book,

00:58:19.365 --> 00:58:21.367
then I'll definitely try and get you in

00:58:21.407 --> 00:58:22.487
the book and try to get you a

00:58:22.527 --> 00:58:22.987
character.

00:58:23.307 --> 00:58:26.010
Because what I also do is with the

00:58:26.030 --> 00:58:29.072
character spotlights is we you partner up

00:58:29.092 --> 00:58:29.431
with me.

00:58:29.452 --> 00:58:30.492
We make the character.

00:58:30.632 --> 00:58:31.632
I create the design.

00:58:31.733 --> 00:58:34.875
I also I'll send you a character sheet

00:58:34.894 --> 00:58:37.376
card with the character in it.

00:58:37.876 --> 00:58:39.778
the backstory, the powers,

00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.099
and then you get a secret file with

00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:43.420
the IDV.

00:58:43.742 --> 00:58:45.163
That's dope.

00:58:45.202 --> 00:58:46.844
I send that off to you for it

00:58:46.864 --> 00:58:48.204
to be framed or whatever you want to

00:58:48.224 --> 00:58:49.686
do with it.

00:58:49.786 --> 00:58:50.646
I really like that.

00:58:52.588 --> 00:58:54.208
I can send you some of the stuff

00:58:54.228 --> 00:58:55.710
because I've done that for a friend of

00:58:55.731 --> 00:58:56.731
mine.

00:58:57.831 --> 00:58:58.833
I love that kind of stuff.

00:58:59.612 --> 00:59:02.215
I love helping promote Kickstarters and

00:59:02.235 --> 00:59:02.936
that kind of stuff.

00:59:03.356 --> 00:59:03.876
I've done...

00:59:05.548 --> 00:59:07.289
a lot of Kickstarter promotions.

00:59:08.489 --> 00:59:10.070
I love bringing those guys on and letting

00:59:10.090 --> 00:59:11.791
them sell their book to people.

00:59:11.831 --> 00:59:13.170
You know what I'm saying?

00:59:14.211 --> 00:59:14.751
It sounds weird,

00:59:14.771 --> 00:59:17.853
but to sell themselves to the audience to

00:59:17.893 --> 00:59:18.672
promote their book,

00:59:18.693 --> 00:59:19.873
because that's essentially what you're

00:59:19.913 --> 00:59:23.954
doing is selling yourself to people to get

00:59:23.994 --> 00:59:26.114
them to come and support your comic book.

00:59:27.755 --> 00:59:29.155
It still feels weird to say that,

00:59:29.175 --> 00:59:31.456
but that is exactly what we're doing.

00:59:32.994 --> 00:59:33.893
But yeah,

00:59:34.173 --> 00:59:36.596
I plan on when all the when the

00:59:36.635 --> 00:59:37.315
book is done,

00:59:37.456 --> 00:59:39.476
I plan on selling physicals through

00:59:39.777 --> 00:59:41.358
Kickstarter, either Kickstarter,

00:59:41.418 --> 00:59:42.759
Indiegogo, you know, whichever.

00:59:43.298 --> 00:59:45.121
And I have a problem with Indiegogo's

00:59:45.201 --> 00:59:47.322
backside, like they're back in stuff.

00:59:47.782 --> 00:59:48.101
Right.

00:59:48.682 --> 00:59:49.782
Yeah.

00:59:49.802 --> 00:59:51.543
I do like Kickstarter a lot more because

00:59:51.603 --> 00:59:53.224
it seems like it's an easier flow.

00:59:53.945 --> 00:59:56.067
And the last time I purchased somebody

00:59:56.086 --> 00:59:57.067
from Indiegogo,

00:59:57.628 --> 00:59:58.867
I ended up having to go back and

00:59:59.188 --> 00:59:59.829
pay Indiegogo.

01:00:00.932 --> 01:00:03.434
for shipping on the back end myself

01:00:03.474 --> 01:00:06.836
through just sending the money to him to

01:00:06.876 --> 01:00:07.737
send me the stuff.

01:00:08.038 --> 01:00:08.257
Really?

01:00:08.318 --> 01:00:10.260
I'm thinking of going back to Kickstarter

01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:11.681
just because a lot of people were talking

01:00:11.701 --> 01:00:12.722
to me about that problem.

01:00:13.081 --> 01:00:15.164
But the first time I did Kickstarter,

01:00:15.643 --> 01:00:16.585
I thought I got funded,

01:00:16.625 --> 01:00:18.146
but basically it was a lot of scammer

01:00:18.186 --> 01:00:19.266
money that I was being given.

01:00:19.797 --> 01:00:21.340
Yeah, so that's...

01:00:22.081 --> 01:00:23.563
I think you get that on both sides

01:00:23.583 --> 01:00:23.943
of the house,

01:00:23.963 --> 01:00:25.405
whether it's an Indiegogo or a

01:00:25.545 --> 01:00:26.186
Kickstarter.

01:00:26.887 --> 01:00:27.367
And it's...

01:00:27.708 --> 01:00:29.289
I think it's a lot better now.

01:00:29.309 --> 01:00:30.371
I don't know when the last time you

01:00:30.391 --> 01:00:31.634
ran a Kickstarter was.

01:00:32.014 --> 01:00:32.855
It was a while back.

01:00:32.954 --> 01:00:33.376
Yeah,

01:00:33.476 --> 01:00:35.057
I think they've gotten a lot better about

01:00:35.117 --> 01:00:35.398
that.

01:00:36.018 --> 01:00:36.739
And basically...

01:00:37.929 --> 01:00:39.070
They lock your money.

01:00:39.590 --> 01:00:42.152
Once you put in your support,

01:00:42.193 --> 01:00:45.056
that money gets locked, basically.

01:00:45.356 --> 01:00:47.838
The way it doesn't go through is if

01:00:47.858 --> 01:00:49.418
the funds aren't there.

01:00:49.838 --> 01:00:50.099
Okay.

01:00:50.891 --> 01:00:52.291
Yeah, well, like I said,

01:00:52.351 --> 01:00:54.072
I plan on getting all the books done

01:00:54.152 --> 01:00:54.532
first.

01:00:54.693 --> 01:00:56.472
And then when it kickstarted,

01:00:56.492 --> 01:00:58.434
it gets you guys the physicals because I

01:00:58.474 --> 01:00:59.795
really want to focus on making sure that

01:00:59.815 --> 01:01:01.755
I have all the rewards on the back

01:01:01.835 --> 01:01:03.195
end and that you guys get the finished

01:01:03.235 --> 01:01:05.056
product as quickly as possible.

01:01:05.077 --> 01:01:06.317
So that means the minute that the

01:01:06.356 --> 01:01:07.137
Kickstarter ends,

01:01:07.557 --> 01:01:09.818
I'm off to USPS to send you your

01:01:09.838 --> 01:01:10.139
stuff.

01:01:10.659 --> 01:01:12.340
Dude, I like that.

01:01:12.460 --> 01:01:14.081
And I hear this goes both ways.

01:01:14.701 --> 01:01:16.021
Like I know some guys who...

01:01:17.342 --> 01:01:19.163
And it depends on the individual too,

01:01:19.242 --> 01:01:19.563
right?

01:01:20.264 --> 01:01:21.585
Like a lot of people say,

01:01:23.085 --> 01:01:24.887
have the money on hand to have the

01:01:24.907 --> 01:01:27.208
books printed and done and ready to go.

01:01:27.788 --> 01:01:29.289
And you're only using the Kickstarter

01:01:29.309 --> 01:01:31.751
basically to fund what you've already done

01:01:32.210 --> 01:01:33.811
and get yourself the headstart for the

01:01:33.851 --> 01:01:34.632
next issue.

01:01:35.333 --> 01:01:37.634
But I've also known people on the opposite

01:01:37.733 --> 01:01:40.096
end of that to where if they didn't

01:01:40.115 --> 01:01:41.257
have Kickstarter,

01:01:41.677 --> 01:01:43.557
the book wasn't getting made period.

01:01:43.637 --> 01:01:44.938
And the dream was ended.

01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:46.360
You know what I'm saying?

01:01:46.380 --> 01:01:46.460
Yeah.

01:01:47.068 --> 01:01:47.487
Yeah.

01:01:47.568 --> 01:01:49.108
I like being, me personally,

01:01:50.708 --> 01:01:52.088
the books are getting made regardless.

01:01:52.268 --> 01:01:53.668
I just want people to enjoy them.

01:01:53.789 --> 01:01:56.190
Like this, I'm not gonna lie to you,

01:01:56.949 --> 01:01:57.769
is not,

01:01:58.289 --> 01:01:59.849
it's not a money thing for me.

01:02:00.130 --> 01:02:01.510
And I tell a lot of people that,

01:02:02.110 --> 01:02:03.170
and they're like, what?

01:02:03.251 --> 01:02:03.510
I mean,

01:02:03.530 --> 01:02:04.411
you want to get paid for this?

01:02:04.431 --> 01:02:05.351
I was like, of course,

01:02:05.510 --> 01:02:07.052
of course you want to get paid for

01:02:07.072 --> 01:02:07.152
it.

01:02:07.192 --> 01:02:09.771
But this is a, this is a dream.

01:02:09.992 --> 01:02:13.132
Like this is a creative outlet just to

01:02:13.193 --> 01:02:14.092
get,

01:02:14.233 --> 01:02:14.492
because

01:02:17.532 --> 01:02:19.672
ADHD is a real thing.

01:02:19.692 --> 01:02:22.112
Sometimes that out ADHD and those other

01:02:22.213 --> 01:02:26.132
things need a way to a,

01:02:26.152 --> 01:02:29.733
for the person to get stuff out that

01:02:29.753 --> 01:02:30.614
they keep in.

01:02:31.393 --> 01:02:32.434
And they just,

01:02:32.695 --> 01:02:34.554
some people just are a bottle of energy.

01:02:34.574 --> 01:02:35.934
And I think you're just a bottle of

01:02:36.034 --> 01:02:38.635
energy and ideas that just needs a outlet

01:02:38.675 --> 01:02:39.956
to express itself.

01:02:41.155 --> 01:02:43.815
And you've chosen to do comic books and

01:02:43.835 --> 01:02:45.817
to write stories and bring these heroes to

01:02:45.876 --> 01:02:46.217
life.

01:02:47.170 --> 01:02:49.632
and yes it's dope dude i'm glad you're

01:02:49.652 --> 01:02:52.132
doing it yeah man i'm yeah so the

01:02:52.172 --> 01:02:53.353
books are the books are going to get

01:02:53.393 --> 01:02:55.094
made regardless i just want to build a

01:02:55.134 --> 01:02:57.434
community of people if i could get ten

01:02:57.474 --> 01:02:59.735
people always asking me hitting me up

01:02:59.795 --> 01:03:02.077
annoying bro when's the next book when's

01:03:02.097 --> 01:03:04.018
the next book what's the next i would

01:03:04.038 --> 01:03:06.599
accept that without any complaint and i'll

01:03:06.619 --> 01:03:08.699
continue making books that's the ultimate

01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:09.659
compliment is it not

01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:10.480
Yeah.

01:03:10.561 --> 01:03:11.701
When's the next book coming out?

01:03:11.822 --> 01:03:13.882
Like I would like if you went and

01:03:13.902 --> 01:03:15.384
come in on this podcast,

01:03:15.505 --> 01:03:16.846
I would have been that guy after you

01:03:16.885 --> 01:03:17.826
had sent me the books.

01:03:17.865 --> 01:03:19.288
Like if we were for some reason,

01:03:20.148 --> 01:03:21.550
I wasn't able to get you on the

01:03:21.590 --> 01:03:22.070
podcast.

01:03:22.090 --> 01:03:23.610
And for some time and things happen,

01:03:24.052 --> 01:03:24.811
I would still be there.

01:03:24.831 --> 01:03:25.952
Hey, dude.

01:03:27.514 --> 01:03:28.355
What's up with number three?

01:03:29.275 --> 01:03:29.456
Right.

01:03:29.536 --> 01:03:29.916
Right.

01:03:30.336 --> 01:03:31.597
How can I get my hands on number

01:03:31.858 --> 01:03:33.039
one and number two for real?

01:03:33.378 --> 01:03:33.699
You know?

01:03:35.027 --> 01:03:36.208
And yeah, man.

01:03:36.367 --> 01:03:36.628
Yeah.

01:03:36.688 --> 01:03:38.148
I'm a physical media guy.

01:03:39.110 --> 01:03:39.570
I love,

01:03:39.929 --> 01:03:42.972
I love having the electric copies of,

01:03:42.992 --> 01:03:44.393
I love having the PDFs.

01:03:44.733 --> 01:03:45.733
I think they're really cool.

01:03:46.574 --> 01:03:48.295
I can like zoom in really far and

01:03:48.356 --> 01:03:50.356
see like little details in the work and

01:03:50.396 --> 01:03:50.936
the art,

01:03:51.597 --> 01:03:53.539
but it's something about physical media

01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.760
that will, I will always love.

01:03:56.101 --> 01:03:56.340
Right.

01:03:56.940 --> 01:03:57.641
And what, so,

01:03:57.762 --> 01:03:59.603
and we're also working on that as well.

01:03:59.623 --> 01:04:01.824
Like I'm working with Kablam printing

01:04:01.864 --> 01:04:02.565
currently and,

01:04:03.135 --> 01:04:04.376
I don't know if I'm going to continue

01:04:04.396 --> 01:04:04.597
that,

01:04:04.637 --> 01:04:05.938
but for now I'm trying to get it

01:04:05.998 --> 01:04:07.938
up on their site so people could always

01:04:07.978 --> 01:04:09.860
go to Kablam Printing to get physicals.

01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:12.460
And I think I'm also going to go

01:04:12.501 --> 01:04:14.242
Comics Wellspring and maybe mix them,

01:04:14.322 --> 01:04:16.922
but I'm working on getting site right now

01:04:17.804 --> 01:04:19.204
and then getting some stuff on hand so

01:04:19.304 --> 01:04:20.324
I can send out to people.

01:04:20.885 --> 01:04:23.786
uh yeah but um but yeah i'm i'm

01:04:23.826 --> 01:04:25.467
really trying to build a community around

01:04:25.527 --> 01:04:28.108
it if anybody wants to check out the

01:04:28.128 --> 01:04:30.387
first two please just dm me because that

01:04:30.427 --> 01:04:32.048
would be awesome and i'll send it to

01:04:32.088 --> 01:04:36.791
you if he's making the offer dm him

01:04:37.130 --> 01:04:40.751
the books are worth the read and dude

01:04:43.612 --> 01:04:43.793
just

01:04:46.340 --> 01:04:47.981
I wrote out this whole long interview and

01:04:48.001 --> 01:04:49.422
we just been sitting here talking like two

01:04:49.442 --> 01:04:51.443
dudes almost the entire time.

01:04:52.824 --> 01:04:54.503
And, uh,

01:04:54.543 --> 01:04:56.405
and I love when conversations are this way

01:04:56.445 --> 01:04:57.965
because it's just two dudes hanging out

01:04:57.985 --> 01:05:00.346
and talking about what we love about the

01:05:00.385 --> 01:05:01.726
work, you know what I'm saying?

01:05:02.867 --> 01:05:04.288
Um, but.

01:05:07.485 --> 01:05:09.248
What is next?

01:05:09.889 --> 01:05:11.632
When can we expect that number three,

01:05:11.652 --> 01:05:14.155
though, to start hitting it,

01:05:14.175 --> 01:05:16.338
whether it's Kickstarter or if it goes up

01:05:16.398 --> 01:05:18.800
on your Instagram, like, hey, DM me and,

01:05:19.362 --> 01:05:19.641
you know,

01:05:19.702 --> 01:05:20.923
I will get you the third book.

01:05:20.963 --> 01:05:22.867
It will work out like when can we

01:05:22.907 --> 01:05:23.728
expect number three?

01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:25.300
OK,

01:05:25.460 --> 01:05:27.621
so right now we're in the pencil and

01:05:27.722 --> 01:05:29.161
ink phase with number three.

01:05:29.601 --> 01:05:33.043
I'm working on once we get that phase

01:05:33.083 --> 01:05:33.302
done,

01:05:33.342 --> 01:05:35.563
then everything is going to go to a

01:05:35.742 --> 01:05:36.384
man, Jeff,

01:05:36.423 --> 01:05:38.043
who's going to polish it up real nice

01:05:38.083 --> 01:05:38.364
for us.

01:05:38.384 --> 01:05:40.385
So I'm probably going to be able to

01:05:40.465 --> 01:05:43.184
expect it within the winter,

01:05:43.204 --> 01:05:46.166
within the winter of twenty twenty six.

01:05:46.905 --> 01:05:50.289
So most likely sometime next year near.

01:05:50.510 --> 01:05:51.170
Yeah,

01:05:51.190 --> 01:05:52.811
that'll probably be the best time for it,

01:05:52.851 --> 01:05:54.934
because then I'll be working on putting

01:05:54.974 --> 01:05:56.876
together all three one,

01:05:56.896 --> 01:05:58.277
two and three to get it out to

01:05:58.317 --> 01:05:59.597
you for the people that want the first

01:05:59.637 --> 01:06:02.061
three books as a limited edition.

01:06:03.672 --> 01:06:04.931
As like a trade paperback?

01:06:05.172 --> 01:06:07.333
Yep, in a holo.

01:06:07.512 --> 01:06:08.432
Oh, nice.

01:06:09.313 --> 01:06:10.813
Yeah, so I'm really excited.

01:06:11.713 --> 01:06:13.014
That's the extra nineties right there,

01:06:13.054 --> 01:06:14.074
putting that holo cover.

01:06:14.514 --> 01:06:16.853
Although I will say, last year,

01:06:17.213 --> 01:06:19.574
holo covers came back out of nowhere.

01:06:19.635 --> 01:06:22.014
That and foils,

01:06:22.375 --> 01:06:24.376
they made this huge comeback.

01:06:24.436 --> 01:06:25.815
Not to the point where it wasn't like

01:06:26.155 --> 01:06:27.635
the nineties, thankfully,

01:06:28.396 --> 01:06:30.117
but you were starting to see a lot

01:06:30.177 --> 01:06:31.097
of really cool

01:06:31.909 --> 01:06:34.050
hollow covers and foil covers and stuff

01:06:34.090 --> 01:06:36.110
like that.

01:06:36.349 --> 01:06:37.690
It wasn't to the point like it was

01:06:37.710 --> 01:06:39.251
in the nineties because the nineties was

01:06:39.331 --> 01:06:40.431
off the charts with that.

01:06:40.451 --> 01:06:42.132
It's like every other comic book had

01:06:42.172 --> 01:06:43.771
hollow or foil or something.

01:06:44.311 --> 01:06:44.572
Right.

01:06:44.853 --> 01:06:46.293
So that's the plan.

01:06:46.913 --> 01:06:48.534
The plan is next winter to have the

01:06:48.574 --> 01:06:49.313
third done.

01:06:49.994 --> 01:06:52.875
And then hopefully not only will I have

01:06:53.074 --> 01:06:55.135
the first, second and third episode,

01:06:55.175 --> 01:06:56.936
but also the first episode

01:06:57.335 --> 01:06:58.516
of my girlfriend's comic,

01:06:58.695 --> 01:06:59.856
Aegis the Immortal Sister,

01:06:59.876 --> 01:07:00.936
which I would love to come back on

01:07:00.956 --> 01:07:04.197
the show to talk to you about.

01:07:04.217 --> 01:07:04.557
Dude,

01:07:04.597 --> 01:07:06.119
pull her up a chair right next to

01:07:06.139 --> 01:07:06.318
you.

01:07:07.940 --> 01:07:08.739
We'll do it again, dude.

01:07:09.380 --> 01:07:12.282
For sure.

01:07:12.322 --> 01:07:15.242
Hang on, let me, my mind is like,

01:07:15.503 --> 01:07:17.043
I'm preparing in my head for this winter

01:07:17.063 --> 01:07:18.585
storm that we're supposed to be getting.

01:07:19.025 --> 01:07:20.826
Oh man, I'm preparing over here too.

01:07:21.402 --> 01:07:22.905
Yeah, you're right there with me, dude.

01:07:24.485 --> 01:07:25.606
And so, like,

01:07:25.806 --> 01:07:27.289
all my brain cells are going to, like,

01:07:27.329 --> 01:07:29.231
okay, dude, I remember this, this, this,

01:07:29.851 --> 01:07:30.532
and this.

01:07:30.552 --> 01:07:31.873
And I remember to pay this, this,

01:07:32.094 --> 01:07:33.635
and this.

01:07:34.114 --> 01:07:35.217
Lucky Devil Comics.

01:07:36.260 --> 01:07:37.320
Him and his wife.

01:07:38.362 --> 01:07:39.101
Love them to death.

01:07:39.362 --> 01:07:40.182
Great people.

01:07:40.903 --> 01:07:42.324
But they did...

01:07:42.364 --> 01:07:43.885
She helps him with the comic book.

01:07:43.905 --> 01:07:46.507
She helps him with some minor details and

01:07:47.329 --> 01:07:49.110
some of the background type of stuff and

01:07:49.150 --> 01:07:51.472
develops some of that kind of things.

01:07:52.032 --> 01:07:53.434
And I interviewed both of them at the

01:07:53.474 --> 01:07:55.675
same time because when we first brought

01:07:55.695 --> 01:07:57.657
them onto the show, she was sitting there.

01:07:58.077 --> 01:07:58.518
She's like, hey,

01:07:58.538 --> 01:07:59.478
I'm just going to get up and let

01:07:59.498 --> 01:07:59.798
y'all talk.

01:07:59.818 --> 01:08:00.079
I'm like...

01:08:00.780 --> 01:08:01.960
you played a part in this.

01:08:02.061 --> 01:08:02.601
What are you doing?

01:08:02.641 --> 01:08:03.663
Sit your butt back down.

01:08:04.344 --> 01:08:05.865
We're all going to have a great

01:08:05.885 --> 01:08:06.586
conversation.

01:08:06.606 --> 01:08:08.208
We're all going to have a great talk

01:08:08.228 --> 01:08:09.670
and talk about, you know,

01:08:09.690 --> 01:08:11.152
the plague because that's the name of the

01:08:11.192 --> 01:08:11.452
book.

01:08:11.472 --> 01:08:11.813
Right.

01:08:11.873 --> 01:08:13.193
And she's like, really?

01:08:14.375 --> 01:08:16.797
Her husband's like, yes.

01:08:16.978 --> 01:08:17.259
Yes.

01:08:19.320 --> 01:08:21.582
So I enjoy that kind of stuff.

01:08:21.643 --> 01:08:23.684
Like, I don't need me.

01:08:23.703 --> 01:08:26.626
Bring your brother to shit.

01:08:26.645 --> 01:08:27.627
We're making a party, man.

01:08:27.646 --> 01:08:28.466
We'll talk about it.

01:08:29.006 --> 01:08:30.587
And to me, this is fun.

01:08:30.708 --> 01:08:31.889
It's coming out to a more.

01:08:31.929 --> 01:08:33.890
This ain't even a, this ain't like,

01:08:33.911 --> 01:08:34.831
this ain't a job for me.

01:08:34.871 --> 01:08:36.671
This is just me talking about some of

01:08:36.712 --> 01:08:38.434
my favorite things with great people and

01:08:38.474 --> 01:08:39.734
putting, you know,

01:08:39.774 --> 01:08:42.655
people like you own in a spotlight to

01:08:42.716 --> 01:08:44.898
have some time to discuss your book.

01:08:45.318 --> 01:08:46.038
That's great.

01:08:46.099 --> 01:08:47.500
And I love doing this kind of stuff.

01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:47.880
Like,

01:08:49.707 --> 01:08:49.828
shit.

01:08:49.868 --> 01:08:51.548
This is like after this,

01:08:51.748 --> 01:08:52.810
this kind of week and the kind of

01:08:52.829 --> 01:08:53.970
weekend we're about to have,

01:08:54.411 --> 01:08:55.331
this is my highlight.

01:08:55.350 --> 01:08:58.912
This is no getting to talk to Lloyd

01:08:58.953 --> 01:08:59.493
last night,

01:08:59.594 --> 01:09:01.454
who I met just a few months ago

01:09:01.494 --> 01:09:03.676
through Matt and then talking about his

01:09:03.735 --> 01:09:03.916
book.

01:09:03.956 --> 01:09:05.056
That's about to come out.

01:09:05.497 --> 01:09:05.657
Right.

01:09:05.796 --> 01:09:07.398
And then talking to you tonight,

01:09:07.417 --> 01:09:08.639
I'm like two in a row.

01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:10.140
I'm going to have a nice,

01:09:10.180 --> 01:09:12.521
relaxing weekend where I edit some videos,

01:09:12.641 --> 01:09:14.302
get them prepped to go to YouTube,

01:09:14.363 --> 01:09:16.125
into the podcast platforms,

01:09:16.625 --> 01:09:17.525
chalk these up,

01:09:17.586 --> 01:09:19.747
get them out to you and Lloyd.

01:09:21.148 --> 01:09:22.949
That's a great weekend, dude.

01:09:23.649 --> 01:09:25.091
And it's going to be shitty weather

01:09:25.171 --> 01:09:25.992
anyway, so...

01:09:29.038 --> 01:09:31.699
But so we're looking at the winter.

01:09:32.240 --> 01:09:32.320
Yeah.

01:09:32.341 --> 01:09:34.360
Twenty twenty six for issue three.

01:09:34.962 --> 01:09:36.181
I know I'm going to be like one

01:09:36.221 --> 01:09:37.842
of the first dudes in line to get

01:09:37.983 --> 01:09:40.323
issue three to end one because I want

01:09:40.384 --> 01:09:41.545
physical copies, man.

01:09:43.105 --> 01:09:44.426
And that's like I love digital.

01:09:44.786 --> 01:09:45.127
I do.

01:09:45.327 --> 01:09:47.387
But there's something about that physical,

01:09:48.087 --> 01:09:48.787
physical book.

01:09:48.868 --> 01:09:49.809
Yeah, for sure.

01:09:49.828 --> 01:09:50.109
Yeah.

01:09:51.594 --> 01:09:53.994
For sure.

01:09:54.055 --> 01:09:55.176
I'm glad to see it's going to be

01:09:55.235 --> 01:09:55.775
expanding.

01:09:55.796 --> 01:09:57.157
Your brother's got a role in it.

01:09:57.197 --> 01:09:58.596
Your girlfriend's got a role in it.

01:09:58.636 --> 01:10:00.097
That's really dope that it's all about the

01:10:00.118 --> 01:10:02.458
people you love and them having their

01:10:02.639 --> 01:10:05.819
stake in this Idolverse as well,

01:10:05.859 --> 01:10:08.780
which is really cool.

01:10:08.841 --> 01:10:10.801
You mentioned you did have Nemesis waiting

01:10:10.841 --> 01:10:11.561
in the wings.

01:10:11.981 --> 01:10:15.363
What else do you have waiting in the

01:10:15.404 --> 01:10:15.804
wings?

01:10:17.229 --> 01:10:19.612
oh well beside your girlfriends and your

01:10:19.631 --> 01:10:23.595
brother's story what else do you got uh

01:10:23.635 --> 01:10:26.717
so i'm working on so my other friend

01:10:26.818 --> 01:10:28.840
his uh he has a vigilante character named

01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.841
braven uh who is more of like a

01:10:30.881 --> 01:10:32.922
street terror character you know raised in

01:10:32.983 --> 01:10:36.605
baltimore uh uh newly that's what that one

01:10:36.626 --> 01:10:39.828
short story was right exactly yep yeah

01:10:40.347 --> 01:10:41.788
uh he's coming he's coming out with his

01:10:41.889 --> 01:10:43.730
own book called bravery that dude had that

01:10:43.751 --> 01:10:46.453
dog in him yes for sure for sure

01:10:46.693 --> 01:10:49.595
so he'll he's uh he his first episode

01:10:49.614 --> 01:10:51.676
i'm currently working on i'm also working

01:10:51.997 --> 01:10:55.800
on a character called galvarino um there

01:10:55.819 --> 01:10:58.362
was such a cool native american story

01:10:58.402 --> 01:11:01.083
about a mapuche warrior that got his arms

01:11:01.123 --> 01:11:02.984
cut off and then he put blades in

01:11:03.024 --> 01:11:04.046
his forearms

01:11:04.386 --> 01:11:06.806
and took down conquistadors and i was like

01:11:06.867 --> 01:11:09.926
they had to have made wolverine from this

01:11:10.006 --> 01:11:12.207
particular character that's some gangster

01:11:12.268 --> 01:11:16.828
ass right there dude nobody created a

01:11:16.889 --> 01:11:19.750
character based off of this story no comic

01:11:19.770 --> 01:11:21.649
book so it's just out there all right

01:11:21.689 --> 01:11:23.551
let me get in i'm in i'm in

01:11:24.070 --> 01:11:27.072
so uh so i created a character named

01:11:27.091 --> 01:11:29.271
galvarina i'll send you that too but i'm

01:11:29.332 --> 01:11:32.153
working on that story as well and um

01:11:32.912 --> 01:11:33.153
Wow.

01:11:33.212 --> 01:11:34.673
I felt like it's such the right time.

01:11:34.793 --> 01:11:35.854
Like it's, it's like,

01:11:35.913 --> 01:11:37.375
it's definitely the right time to do a

01:11:37.414 --> 01:11:38.876
story like that, especially with,

01:11:38.895 --> 01:11:41.155
you know, the, our world at current.

01:11:41.195 --> 01:11:43.556
Um, and I was like, let me,

01:11:43.636 --> 01:11:46.698
let me put something,

01:11:46.899 --> 01:11:49.979
let me put something together that,

01:11:50.020 --> 01:11:51.921
you know, people can rally behind, uh,

01:11:52.440 --> 01:11:53.902
a cool, a cool story.

01:11:53.962 --> 01:11:55.983
Cause I'm all about nuance and about real

01:11:56.023 --> 01:11:57.922
world messaging mixed with, you know,

01:11:57.962 --> 01:11:59.524
putting it in the outputs and creating

01:11:59.564 --> 01:12:00.503
something fascinating.

01:12:01.164 --> 01:12:01.845
And, um,

01:12:02.372 --> 01:12:04.353
yeah i did that with the galvarino story

01:12:04.393 --> 01:12:05.832
and i'm that's something else that i'm

01:12:05.872 --> 01:12:08.894
really really proud of and um i actually

01:12:08.913 --> 01:12:10.974
got there's a cool pin up up that

01:12:11.194 --> 01:12:12.954
that's on my facebook page with galvarino

01:12:12.975 --> 01:12:14.675
and one of his villains called comanche

01:12:15.275 --> 01:12:16.595
that um that i have to go back

01:12:16.636 --> 01:12:18.475
and check that one out yes like i

01:12:18.576 --> 01:12:19.957
said when i'm putting this stuff together

01:12:20.476 --> 01:12:21.617
i go back through i look at the

01:12:21.636 --> 01:12:23.797
facebook i look at instagram i try to

01:12:23.837 --> 01:12:25.778
pull like tidbits of stuff out of

01:12:25.899 --> 01:12:27.878
everywhere and if you have a website

01:12:27.899 --> 01:12:29.739
that's even better because then i can just

01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.020
go straight to the website

01:12:31.579 --> 01:12:33.341
and start pulling your info off of it.

01:12:34.001 --> 01:12:35.220
And that just makes life easier.

01:12:35.480 --> 01:12:35.981
I'm working on,

01:12:36.061 --> 01:12:38.202
I'm working on trying to design a website

01:12:38.221 --> 01:12:38.863
for us, you know,

01:12:38.882 --> 01:12:40.262
to just put all our stuff up there.

01:12:40.823 --> 01:12:41.042
Yeah.

01:12:41.184 --> 01:12:41.724
Cool.

01:12:41.764 --> 01:12:43.423
But, but yeah, I'm doing that.

01:12:44.125 --> 01:12:46.085
And let me see what else I'm working

01:12:46.164 --> 01:12:46.484
on there.

01:12:46.545 --> 01:12:46.865
Okay.

01:12:46.886 --> 01:12:47.506
So there are,

01:12:48.668 --> 01:12:51.811
There are some obscure characters that on

01:12:51.872 --> 01:12:53.332
this is this is something I'm working on

01:12:53.453 --> 01:12:56.136
slow because there are a lot of characters

01:12:56.195 --> 01:12:56.657
involved.

01:12:56.756 --> 01:12:59.378
But there was a comic book company made

01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:02.462
by a bunch of African-American creatives

01:13:02.521 --> 01:13:04.543
way back in the nineties alongside

01:13:04.604 --> 01:13:05.204
Milestone.

01:13:05.225 --> 01:13:07.025
And for like a month it was Milestone

01:13:07.065 --> 01:13:08.067
and Aenea Comics.

01:13:10.472 --> 01:13:12.854
And a lot of the characters faded into

01:13:12.894 --> 01:13:13.413
obscurity.

01:13:13.474 --> 01:13:15.354
They had characters like Zoana,

01:13:15.395 --> 01:13:18.095
the son of Zulu, Purge.

01:13:18.537 --> 01:13:19.497
It's funny you mentioned that.

01:13:19.596 --> 01:13:21.698
Lloyd's comic book last night that he's

01:13:21.938 --> 01:13:23.238
doing, Brother to the Night,

01:13:23.838 --> 01:13:26.039
is based off a character like that.

01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:26.840
Wow.

01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:27.480
Yeah.

01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:28.961
So I'm taking all of their care.

01:13:29.060 --> 01:13:31.983
I'm taking except for Purge because Mr.

01:13:32.023 --> 01:13:32.643
Roosevelt Pitt,

01:13:32.682 --> 01:13:33.923
he still uses that character.

01:13:33.944 --> 01:13:34.583
It's his character.

01:13:34.604 --> 01:13:35.144
Yeah.

01:13:35.823 --> 01:13:38.265
But all the other curators have seemingly

01:13:38.305 --> 01:13:39.706
fell off the face of the earth.

01:13:40.086 --> 01:13:41.487
I've tried to get in contact with them.

01:13:41.546 --> 01:13:42.547
I tried to talk to them,

01:13:42.807 --> 01:13:45.269
but they their characters are gone.

01:13:46.291 --> 01:13:47.231
They're just in the wings,

01:13:47.271 --> 01:13:47.872
they're obscure.

01:13:49.215 --> 01:13:51.738
And so what I wanted to do was

01:13:51.837 --> 01:13:53.359
create a graphic novel,

01:13:54.360 --> 01:13:56.524
basically bringing together all the cool

01:13:56.564 --> 01:13:57.905
obscure characters that I found.

01:13:57.985 --> 01:13:59.287
I found Captain Africa.

01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.001
Ebony Warrior, Zoana, Son of Zulu,

01:14:02.161 --> 01:14:04.601
and Heru, the Son of Asar.

01:14:04.881 --> 01:14:06.222
And I brought them together into this

01:14:06.262 --> 01:14:09.885
graphic novel that I'm doing called The

01:14:09.944 --> 01:14:10.784
Land of Aenea,

01:14:11.326 --> 01:14:14.606
where it's basically about saving Africa,

01:14:14.646 --> 01:14:16.167
basically, but saving the world,

01:14:16.228 --> 01:14:17.628
but it's based in Africa.

01:14:17.689 --> 01:14:17.948
Yeah.

01:14:18.189 --> 01:14:19.510
but that's going to be a really cool

01:14:19.590 --> 01:14:21.032
graphic novel to get together.

01:14:21.492 --> 01:14:22.912
And it was a lot of companies in

01:14:22.953 --> 01:14:24.614
the nineties that kind of, Oh yeah.

01:14:24.635 --> 01:14:26.636
They came in swinging and then they were

01:14:26.676 --> 01:14:27.117
gone.

01:14:27.296 --> 01:14:27.936
Then they were gone.

01:14:27.997 --> 01:14:29.578
And Neil was definitely one of them.

01:14:29.599 --> 01:14:31.579
They had, they had, it was literally,

01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:32.121
they were in,

01:14:33.136 --> 01:14:34.938
They were in like news.

01:14:35.057 --> 01:14:35.979
They were in the news.

01:14:35.998 --> 01:14:37.560
They were in newspapers.

01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:39.122
It was them and Milestone for like a

01:14:39.262 --> 01:14:39.622
month.

01:14:39.703 --> 01:14:41.085
And then, you know,

01:14:41.185 --> 01:14:43.146
money came into it and then, you know,

01:14:43.506 --> 01:14:44.547
they kind of fell off.

01:14:44.587 --> 01:14:45.970
But I felt like it's kind of wild,

01:14:46.010 --> 01:14:47.610
dude, because especially in the nineties,

01:14:47.690 --> 01:14:49.814
I remember buying so many different number

01:14:49.913 --> 01:14:51.796
one comics from so many different

01:14:51.836 --> 01:14:52.936
companies.

01:14:52.997 --> 01:14:53.176
Yeah.

01:14:53.377 --> 01:14:54.457
And then I would be waiting for a

01:14:54.518 --> 01:14:55.679
number two to come out and it would

01:14:55.698 --> 01:14:56.539
just never.

01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:57.079
Yep.

01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:57.801
Yeah.

01:14:58.001 --> 01:14:58.862
It just never came.

01:14:58.881 --> 01:15:00.082
I'm like, Whoa,

01:15:00.143 --> 01:15:01.384
what happened to this character?

01:15:01.484 --> 01:15:02.984
I want to know what happens to them.

01:15:03.664 --> 01:15:05.327
Like I invested in this number one,

01:15:05.346 --> 01:15:07.427
because a, it was a cool hollow cover.

01:15:07.448 --> 01:15:07.548
Right.

01:15:08.649 --> 01:15:08.850
And,

01:15:09.069 --> 01:15:11.452
and B these characters were really dope.

01:15:11.511 --> 01:15:13.353
And they told a really dope story in

01:15:13.372 --> 01:15:14.413
this first issue,

01:15:15.074 --> 01:15:17.235
like how this team came about.

01:15:18.037 --> 01:15:18.436
I'm like,

01:15:19.198 --> 01:15:20.479
I need to know where they're going.

01:15:20.838 --> 01:15:21.800
Right.

01:15:21.819 --> 01:15:22.039
Yeah.

01:15:23.364 --> 01:15:25.305
And that's how I felt when I found

01:15:25.386 --> 01:15:27.167
out about Aenea because I found out

01:15:27.186 --> 01:15:29.127
through a Roosevelt Pits Purge.

01:15:29.427 --> 01:15:29.927
And I was like,

01:15:29.988 --> 01:15:32.029
he was connected to like this whole comic

01:15:32.069 --> 01:15:33.510
book company that, you know,

01:15:33.989 --> 01:15:34.829
didn't come to be.

01:15:34.869 --> 01:15:36.570
And I was like, what is Aenea?

01:15:36.591 --> 01:15:38.311
And then I did all this research and

01:15:38.372 --> 01:15:38.752
I was like,

01:15:40.136 --> 01:15:41.717
no and i me i have there's a

01:15:41.819 --> 01:15:43.659
soft spot in my heart for obscure

01:15:43.699 --> 01:15:45.761
characters for characters could have been

01:15:45.822 --> 01:15:48.384
something and i was like i create comic

01:15:48.404 --> 01:15:50.706
books it's just gonna be another project

01:15:50.765 --> 01:15:53.668
that i'm gonna do so yeah that's something

01:15:53.689 --> 01:15:55.229
that i'm writing slowly and i actually

01:15:55.250 --> 01:15:57.091
made a cover to go to go along

01:15:57.131 --> 01:15:58.552
with it and i have no problem sending

01:15:58.613 --> 01:16:01.595
you that to you know show that's one

01:16:01.615 --> 01:16:03.556
of those where that's what i loved about

01:16:03.596 --> 01:16:06.319
the nineties is so many obscure characters

01:16:06.380 --> 01:16:07.421
came and left

01:16:08.590 --> 01:16:12.532
and but at the same time you invested

01:16:12.591 --> 01:16:15.533
into it especially for like me i was

01:16:15.573 --> 01:16:17.293
just getting into comic books and i had

01:16:17.314 --> 01:16:19.494
that very brief moment from where i got

01:16:19.515 --> 01:16:22.636
to enjoy comic books before my life went

01:16:22.676 --> 01:16:24.896
into a whole nother direction and joined

01:16:24.936 --> 01:16:27.037
in the military and um

01:16:28.809 --> 01:16:30.752
I didn't come back around to it until

01:16:30.773 --> 01:16:33.136
my daughter was like, hey,

01:16:33.157 --> 01:16:34.880
can we stop at this comic book store?

01:16:34.899 --> 01:16:36.363
I was like, yeah, sure.

01:16:37.225 --> 01:16:39.307
And then I realized like Spawn was still

01:16:39.328 --> 01:16:40.690
being made and a few other comics.

01:16:44.384 --> 01:16:45.585
I can get back into this.

01:16:46.284 --> 01:16:47.645
And that's what I've been doing.

01:16:48.287 --> 01:16:50.868
And now here I am talking to indie

01:16:50.908 --> 01:16:53.150
comic creators on a Friday afternoon,

01:16:53.190 --> 01:16:54.532
you know, and I'm like,

01:16:54.832 --> 01:16:56.212
what's better than this?

01:16:56.894 --> 01:16:58.555
Man, it's a great thing.

01:16:58.614 --> 01:17:00.077
But yeah, I'm working on Galvarino.

01:17:00.796 --> 01:17:03.078
I'm working on Age of the Immortal Sister,

01:17:03.158 --> 01:17:03.939
Land of Nia,

01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:06.762
and the last project that I'm slowly

01:17:06.802 --> 01:17:08.444
working on is something that's near and

01:17:08.465 --> 01:17:09.164
dear to my heart.

01:17:09.985 --> 01:17:11.627
I made a Black Adam,

01:17:11.927 --> 01:17:14.210
so I had to make Captain Marvel.

01:17:14.229 --> 01:17:16.431
Dude, that's what's up.

01:17:16.993 --> 01:17:18.054
So I made,

01:17:18.113 --> 01:17:21.417
so there was a character that was coming

01:17:21.556 --> 01:17:22.297
out back when

01:17:23.367 --> 01:17:24.988
there was this whole battle over Captain

01:17:25.028 --> 01:17:28.069
Marvel between DC and, you know, Marvel.

01:17:29.449 --> 01:17:31.189
DC created Captain Thunder,

01:17:32.291 --> 01:17:35.231
and it was supposed to be basically the

01:17:35.252 --> 01:17:36.631
black version of Captain Marvel,

01:17:36.652 --> 01:17:37.493
basically.

01:17:37.533 --> 01:17:38.752
But it never came to be.

01:17:38.932 --> 01:17:40.094
So when I found that out,

01:17:40.373 --> 01:17:40.913
I was like,

01:17:41.014 --> 01:17:42.814
so you guys just abandoned Captain Thunder

01:17:42.835 --> 01:17:43.654
and did nothing with him?

01:17:44.055 --> 01:17:44.555
Okay, cool.

01:17:44.994 --> 01:17:46.315
So now I'm coming out with a Captain

01:17:46.355 --> 01:17:50.016
Thunder project that I got some pages for,

01:17:50.256 --> 01:17:50.557
too.

01:17:50.698 --> 01:17:50.957
So I'm...

01:17:51.677 --> 01:17:52.958
There's some pages done for that one.

01:17:52.979 --> 01:17:55.039
I got a couple of different covers done.

01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:58.823
And it's a character called Willy Walsett.

01:17:59.483 --> 01:18:01.965
And he's born and raised in Acostia, D.C.

01:18:02.645 --> 01:18:04.787
And he gets his powers from a wizard

01:18:04.806 --> 01:18:05.908
called Yith Gamal.

01:18:06.068 --> 01:18:07.069
And he goes on.

01:18:07.448 --> 01:18:08.208
And then after that,

01:18:08.430 --> 01:18:11.492
that's basically where the similarities

01:18:11.532 --> 01:18:13.493
between Captain Marvel and Captain Thunder

01:18:13.573 --> 01:18:13.953
cease.

01:18:13.972 --> 01:18:14.634
Because after that,

01:18:14.654 --> 01:18:17.155
he goes on this giant spiritual journey.

01:18:17.935 --> 01:18:20.076
in thundara which is this land that i

01:18:20.095 --> 01:18:23.837
created filled with monsters and aliens

01:18:23.877 --> 01:18:26.337
and it's like this completely spiritual

01:18:26.398 --> 01:18:28.877
realm that he has to go into and

01:18:28.898 --> 01:18:30.798
basically discover how to use his powers

01:18:31.158 --> 01:18:33.458
so that's dope it's got like a lot

01:18:33.498 --> 01:18:36.180
of little dungeons and dragons undertones

01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.720
into it i was like the moment you

01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:40.940
started saying like i was like this was

01:18:40.961 --> 01:18:43.301
like a lot like dnd man that's like

01:18:43.661 --> 01:18:45.841
a whole storyline there like that's what's

01:18:46.042 --> 01:18:46.082
up

01:18:46.939 --> 01:18:49.725
And actually him and Jupiter Man are going

01:18:49.744 --> 01:18:52.108
to cross paths because Jupiter Man is

01:18:52.127 --> 01:18:54.110
going to teach him a little something

01:18:54.131 --> 01:18:55.453
about how to summon lightning.

01:18:56.163 --> 01:18:57.543
which he doesn't say nice.

01:18:57.844 --> 01:18:59.024
So yeah, nice.

01:18:59.045 --> 01:18:59.585
Cool story.

01:19:00.465 --> 01:19:03.185
I love that you built this massive,

01:19:03.845 --> 01:19:07.886
massive universe that is ever expanding.

01:19:07.907 --> 01:19:08.266
Yeah.

01:19:08.987 --> 01:19:12.287
And you are not limited in it to

01:19:13.087 --> 01:19:15.809
like your core little circle, you know,

01:19:15.849 --> 01:19:18.149
like some comic book companies do.

01:19:18.170 --> 01:19:18.590
You're like,

01:19:19.493 --> 01:19:19.573
Oh,

01:19:19.634 --> 01:19:21.135
I found this one character from back in

01:19:21.234 --> 01:19:23.154
the sixties that only got used once.

01:19:23.756 --> 01:19:25.216
Let me drag his ass over here.

01:19:25.355 --> 01:19:28.738
He's he's now he's one of us.

01:19:28.778 --> 01:19:37.261
He's one of us.

01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:37.621
Okay.

01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.841
So there's one last project that I'm

01:19:39.881 --> 01:19:40.481
working on that.

01:19:40.521 --> 01:19:42.842
I actually got a couple of pages for

01:19:42.983 --> 01:19:43.542
as well.

01:19:44.403 --> 01:19:45.963
It's a Halloween comic.

01:19:46.845 --> 01:19:48.047
Those are my favorite.

01:19:48.368 --> 01:19:50.029
I love Halloween comics.

01:19:50.229 --> 01:19:51.190
Every September,

01:19:51.252 --> 01:19:53.854
I start looking forward to those Halloween

01:19:53.875 --> 01:19:54.935
comics coming out.

01:19:55.896 --> 01:20:00.762
It's a comic book called Idle Crawlers.

01:20:00.802 --> 01:20:03.947
There's a really dope guy on TikTok called

01:20:04.707 --> 01:20:06.368
called Barry Morton.

01:20:06.528 --> 01:20:07.828
He created this,

01:20:08.309 --> 01:20:10.710
he created his own horror universe called

01:20:10.750 --> 01:20:11.470
the Crawlers,

01:20:11.511 --> 01:20:13.110
which is basically like these characters

01:20:13.150 --> 01:20:15.832
called the Horvidians that like basically

01:20:15.972 --> 01:20:17.274
live in like this dark,

01:20:17.293 --> 01:20:19.694
dark sector of like the spirit world.

01:20:20.614 --> 01:20:22.395
And what I wanted to do is I

01:20:22.536 --> 01:20:23.577
asked him, I was like, bro,

01:20:23.596 --> 01:20:24.417
would you mind?

01:20:24.957 --> 01:20:26.738
Because this is after I read the book,

01:20:26.798 --> 01:20:27.378
Deceased.

01:20:28.552 --> 01:20:29.972
And I was like, man,

01:20:30.012 --> 01:20:31.134
this book is so dope.

01:20:31.154 --> 01:20:32.753
Yeah, but the DC deceased, right?

01:20:33.173 --> 01:20:33.913
Yeah, yeah.

01:20:34.014 --> 01:20:36.795
That was the dopest Justice League comics

01:20:36.854 --> 01:20:37.154
I've read.

01:20:37.194 --> 01:20:37.555
Dude,

01:20:37.574 --> 01:20:39.676
that's been my favorite DC of the last

01:20:39.716 --> 01:20:40.216
five years.

01:20:40.576 --> 01:20:41.836
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

01:20:41.916 --> 01:20:43.376
And I asked him, I was like, bro,

01:20:43.395 --> 01:20:44.277
would you mind?

01:20:44.796 --> 01:20:45.037
Oh, no.

01:20:45.556 --> 01:20:46.417
So I read Deceased,

01:20:46.516 --> 01:20:49.677
and then I watched the new Marvel Zombies

01:20:49.717 --> 01:20:50.398
series that came out.

01:20:50.457 --> 01:20:50.917
Yeah.

01:20:51.377 --> 01:20:53.179
And I kind of felt that it was

01:20:53.198 --> 01:20:54.939
a bit lackluster, in my opinion.

01:20:54.998 --> 01:20:55.378
It was.

01:20:55.418 --> 01:20:57.300
The Marvel version of it didn't measure up

01:20:57.319 --> 01:20:58.439
to DC Deceased.

01:20:58.720 --> 01:20:59.201
Right.

01:20:59.701 --> 01:21:00.201
Right.

01:21:00.280 --> 01:21:00.841
Exactly.

01:21:00.860 --> 01:21:02.981
I mean, it came close in certain aspects.

01:21:03.002 --> 01:21:03.822
Yep.

01:21:03.921 --> 01:21:05.122
DC Deceased?

01:21:06.302 --> 01:21:09.222
That was another level of darkness, man.

01:21:09.243 --> 01:21:11.283
Like, if all of DC read like that,

01:21:11.764 --> 01:21:13.045
it would be a DC for life.

01:21:13.425 --> 01:21:14.164
No, for real.

01:21:14.244 --> 01:21:14.965
Honestly.

01:21:15.064 --> 01:21:15.845
And I read, like,

01:21:16.064 --> 01:21:17.345
all of them in one day.

01:21:17.426 --> 01:21:17.905
I was like...

01:21:19.716 --> 01:21:23.780
It's funny because I read them like as

01:21:23.801 --> 01:21:24.841
they come out, right?

01:21:25.143 --> 01:21:25.422
Right.

01:21:25.462 --> 01:21:27.604
But then when I finally had them all,

01:21:28.046 --> 01:21:29.306
I just had them all out on my

01:21:29.367 --> 01:21:29.887
desk.

01:21:30.427 --> 01:21:31.390
And I was just like, all right,

01:21:31.630 --> 01:21:32.530
let's start with number one.

01:21:32.570 --> 01:21:32.970
Right, right.

01:21:34.193 --> 01:21:36.814
Then I just read them all in one

01:21:36.895 --> 01:21:38.016
sitting and I was just like,

01:21:39.171 --> 01:21:40.131
You know what?

01:21:40.152 --> 01:21:41.332
Let me come back over here again and

01:21:41.393 --> 01:21:42.734
give it another.

01:21:42.753 --> 01:21:45.314
Because it was just that good.

01:21:45.395 --> 01:21:46.916
You read it once and you're like,

01:21:47.515 --> 01:21:48.555
I know I missed something.

01:21:48.676 --> 01:21:49.777
And you pick it up again and you're

01:21:49.796 --> 01:21:51.398
like, I did miss stuff.

01:21:51.457 --> 01:21:52.717
And the more you pick it up and

01:21:52.738 --> 01:21:53.538
the more you read it,

01:21:53.939 --> 01:21:56.020
you find little nuances in the story.

01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:57.980
You find little nuances in the art.

01:21:58.480 --> 01:22:00.721
You see that characters actually decayed

01:22:00.881 --> 01:22:03.042
more as the art grew.

01:22:05.622 --> 01:22:07.884
There was like the continuity of that book

01:22:07.923 --> 01:22:09.344
was phenomenal.

01:22:09.604 --> 01:22:09.863
Right.

01:22:10.305 --> 01:22:10.965
So the story.

01:22:11.024 --> 01:22:13.265
So I asked the guy that created his

01:22:13.345 --> 01:22:14.426
own horror universe.

01:22:14.525 --> 01:22:15.065
I was like, bro,

01:22:15.086 --> 01:22:17.287
would you mind if I created a comic

01:22:17.327 --> 01:22:19.226
book mixing my team,

01:22:19.306 --> 01:22:21.488
my superhero team with the monsters that

01:22:21.507 --> 01:22:21.988
you created?

01:22:22.108 --> 01:22:23.729
He was like, yeah, bro, go ahead.

01:22:24.069 --> 01:22:24.849
And I was like, oh,

01:22:24.969 --> 01:22:26.130
you shouldn't have told me that.

01:22:26.210 --> 01:22:28.329
So my mind is just my mind is

01:22:28.350 --> 01:22:29.110
just rolling.

01:22:29.451 --> 01:22:30.871
And I basically so he had.

01:22:30.951 --> 01:22:32.612
So basically there's this deity,

01:22:32.652 --> 01:22:33.572
this angel deity.

01:22:33.952 --> 01:22:36.395
that was casted down to save the world

01:22:36.475 --> 01:22:38.577
from this dark dimension of beings that

01:22:38.617 --> 01:22:39.398
were rising up.

01:22:39.778 --> 01:22:41.640
And he went into the dark dimension and

01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:43.702
chose to be kind of like their keeper.

01:22:43.761 --> 01:22:46.003
And he was slowly tormented over time.

01:22:46.503 --> 01:22:48.827
So I was like, oh man.

01:22:48.886 --> 01:22:51.269
So basically in an alternate realm of the

01:22:51.349 --> 01:22:51.930
idol verse,

01:22:52.329 --> 01:22:54.351
where the one for all team is basically

01:22:54.412 --> 01:22:56.512
doing their thing they defeat this being

01:22:56.552 --> 01:22:58.854
like this this ultimate villain called

01:22:58.895 --> 01:23:02.778
grim seed and the cataclysmic effect of

01:23:02.797 --> 01:23:05.720
that battle opens up the portals through

01:23:05.740 --> 01:23:09.002
like every planet in the universe and the

01:23:09.042 --> 01:23:12.365
horvidians spew out and leviathan calls

01:23:12.445 --> 01:23:14.768
out to everybody and slowly turns them

01:23:14.868 --> 01:23:15.849
into night crawlers

01:23:18.030 --> 01:23:20.555
And you get infected by like hearing his

01:23:20.635 --> 01:23:21.615
song almost.

01:23:21.957 --> 01:23:23.559
Like he speaks to your depression.

01:23:23.639 --> 01:23:25.722
He speaks to anger and aggression and you

01:23:25.783 --> 01:23:27.104
slowly become demented.

01:23:28.126 --> 01:23:29.507
And I was like,

01:23:30.315 --> 01:23:31.917
Hancock was the first one that had to

01:23:31.957 --> 01:23:32.639
be infected.

01:23:32.779 --> 01:23:33.501
I was like, oh yeah,

01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:35.743
I'm just going to infect my character and

01:23:35.783 --> 01:23:36.625
see where this goes.

01:23:36.965 --> 01:23:38.948
So that's another comic book that I'm

01:23:38.967 --> 01:23:39.389
working on.

01:23:39.989 --> 01:23:41.671
I'm big into horror, so I was like,

01:23:41.712 --> 01:23:43.154
yeah.

01:23:43.173 --> 01:23:45.877
Horror comic books are like my number one

01:23:45.898 --> 01:23:46.559
jam, dude.

01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:47.420
Like,

01:23:48.378 --> 01:23:50.399
My new comic book is over there,

01:23:50.460 --> 01:23:52.640
and there's exquisite corpses in there.

01:23:53.180 --> 01:23:55.681
There's some darker stuff from Boom

01:23:55.721 --> 01:23:58.403
Studios and Dark Horse.

01:23:58.643 --> 01:24:02.783
Anything related to horror or the

01:24:02.844 --> 01:24:05.886
creepiness and just the general blood,

01:24:05.926 --> 01:24:06.345
the gore,

01:24:06.386 --> 01:24:08.806
the stuff that Marvel and DC won't give

01:24:08.846 --> 01:24:11.927
you in most circumstances unless it's on

01:24:11.967 --> 01:24:14.328
the Vertigo label or the Black Label.

01:24:15.393 --> 01:24:16.412
you know,

01:24:16.432 --> 01:24:18.734
that's one of the main reasons I love

01:24:18.774 --> 01:24:21.135
the indie stuff is, oh,

01:24:21.175 --> 01:24:22.954
that person just cut off that other

01:24:22.994 --> 01:24:25.015
person's face and then put their face on.

01:24:25.876 --> 01:24:26.235
You know?

01:24:27.256 --> 01:24:29.176
And they show it panel by panel by

01:24:29.216 --> 01:24:30.296
panel by panel.

01:24:31.078 --> 01:24:32.518
And you're like,

01:24:32.537 --> 01:24:36.538
that's why I read comic books.

01:24:36.578 --> 01:24:38.300
But yeah, those are all the things.

01:24:38.380 --> 01:24:39.539
Those are really all the things that I'm

01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:40.420
working on currently.

01:24:41.041 --> 01:24:41.860
You have a

01:24:43.476 --> 01:24:45.658
a very busy life and you probably have

01:24:45.679 --> 01:24:47.381
a normal job as well, right?

01:24:47.661 --> 01:24:48.261
Oh yeah, for sure.

01:24:48.421 --> 01:24:48.862
For sure.

01:24:48.881 --> 01:24:49.983
Yeah.

01:24:50.224 --> 01:24:50.623
Yeah.

01:24:50.663 --> 01:24:52.125
Those stubborn nine to fives.

01:24:53.185 --> 01:24:57.590
Exactly.

01:24:57.609 --> 01:24:58.810
That's how I do what I do.

01:24:59.811 --> 01:25:02.134
And that's how I continue to bring people

01:25:02.154 --> 01:25:03.636
like Nathan, Mr.

01:25:03.836 --> 01:25:06.899
Unchained Unlimited to the USDN.

01:25:07.578 --> 01:25:08.881
Before I let you go, man,

01:25:09.976 --> 01:25:12.198
Your final message to readers who are

01:25:12.238 --> 01:25:14.202
discovering your work tonight.

01:25:14.881 --> 01:25:17.585
And when you drop your third issue,

01:25:18.286 --> 01:25:19.927
I want to know about it right away.

01:25:19.967 --> 01:25:21.429
That way I can share it with all

01:25:21.469 --> 01:25:22.430
the council members.

01:25:22.449 --> 01:25:24.412
I appreciate it.

01:25:24.512 --> 01:25:26.654
One last final message to readers

01:25:27.095 --> 01:25:29.358
discovering your work.

01:25:29.637 --> 01:25:30.338
Oh, man.

01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.001
When you open...

01:25:33.899 --> 01:25:35.900
you open jupiter man one when you open

01:25:35.940 --> 01:25:38.140
jupiter man two or any idol verse project

01:25:38.881 --> 01:25:41.042
i want you to go back to when

01:25:41.082 --> 01:25:44.063
you poured that bowl of cereal so when

01:25:44.103 --> 01:25:45.563
you sat in front of that tv on

01:25:45.622 --> 01:25:48.104
saturday mornings uh remember your

01:25:48.144 --> 01:25:50.345
childhood remember the things that made

01:25:50.385 --> 01:25:53.945
you dream big and uh don't forget go

01:25:53.966 --> 01:25:57.266
beyond and look to the sky love it

01:25:57.287 --> 01:25:59.327
dude tell everybody where they can find

01:25:59.346 --> 01:26:01.807
you before we get off the air tonight

01:26:02.529 --> 01:26:04.833
You can find me on Instagram, TikTok,

01:26:05.375 --> 01:26:06.936
Facebook at either Mr.

01:26:06.957 --> 01:26:09.720
Unchained Unlimited or the Idolverse with

01:26:09.761 --> 01:26:12.786
a Z. And yeah,

01:26:12.966 --> 01:26:14.068
that's how you can get all of our

01:26:14.307 --> 01:26:14.668
updates.

01:26:16.262 --> 01:26:16.842
Love it, dude.

01:26:17.604 --> 01:26:19.364
I want to send a huge thank you

01:26:19.385 --> 01:26:21.305
to Nathan for joining us today.

01:26:21.686 --> 01:26:23.908
It's been a pleasure to talk to you,

01:26:24.507 --> 01:26:28.591
get more details on what the Idolverse is,

01:26:28.650 --> 01:26:31.273
and get to know you more and what

01:26:31.353 --> 01:26:33.094
you have planned for the future.

01:26:33.755 --> 01:26:35.456
But if you believe in inclusive

01:26:35.496 --> 01:26:36.155
storytelling,

01:26:36.296 --> 01:26:37.697
indie creators doing it right,

01:26:38.157 --> 01:26:39.497
make sure to follow, share,

01:26:39.717 --> 01:26:42.881
and support Jupiter Man and the Idolverse.

01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:44.542
Until next time.

01:26:45.242 --> 01:26:49.448
The Council of Nerds is adjourned.

01:26:50.550 --> 01:26:52.412
This has been the United States Department

01:26:52.432 --> 01:26:55.898
of Nerds, where indie comics come to life.

01:26:56.257 --> 01:26:58.121
Y'all be safe out there in this crazy

01:26:58.161 --> 01:27:00.083
weather we are about to get.

01:27:00.264 --> 01:27:00.664
Peace.